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| [00:37:11] | Nigel: | silly question, but is there a way to restrict what recording groups a particular frontend can see? |
| [00:38:01] | Nigel: | i.e. say a Recording Group: "Kids" and have a frontend that can only 'see' the recorded "Kids" shows |
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| [00:43:31] | wagnerrp: | there are parental controls |
| [00:43:49] | wagnerrp: | you can restrict a frontend from only being able to access content below a certain rating level |
| [00:44:00] | wagnerrp: | but theres not the fine control that you are speaking of |
| [00:48:40] | iamlindoro: | You're talking about MythVideo, he's talking about the PBB |
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| [00:52:38] | wagnerrp: | doesnt the pbb have similar parental controls? |
| [00:52:56] | sphery: | didn't that get disabled and never re-implemented when we switched to mythui |
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| [00:54:22] | sphery: | actually, seems to be enabled |
| [00:54:27] | sphery: | you can set per-recording group passwords |
| [00:54:40] | sphery: | so set up Kids without password and set passwords for all the others (including default) |
| [00:54:57] | sphery: | and set the Kids group as the default on the kids' box |
| [00:55:13] | sphery: | but note that it will ask for password every time you enter any other group on any other frontend |
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| [00:57:22] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: Yeah, PBB is just recording group passwords, not levels |
| [00:58:20] | sphery: | seems you set the recording group passwords in Watch Recordings... select a group on the left column and Change Group Password |
| [00:58:35] | ** sphery wonders if Nigel gets the idea that few of us actually use these passwords ** | |
| [01:03:37] | iamlindoro: | full frontal nudity just wants to be free |
| [01:03:50] | sphery: | hehe |
| [01:04:32] | ** wagnerrp and sphery dont get 'those' channels ** | |
| [01:05:00] | sphery: | but you never know what might happen after the Supreme Court... |
| [01:05:28] | sphery: | http://www.broadcastingcable.com/article/4735 . . . Supremes.php |
| [01:05:29] | ** wagnerrp is pretty sure iamlindoro doesnt get those channels either ** | |
| [01:05:55] | wagnerrp: | you work up some mechanism in secret that allows you to record the PPV stuff in mythtv? |
| [01:05:58] | sphery: | before long, when they strike down the FCC's indecency clause, all channels will be those channels |
| [01:09:25] | sphery: | (that said, the argument that there exist alternative venues in which to broadcast such material--i.e. cable channels--does kind of make the "violation of free speech" argument seem a little bit stupid) |
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| [01:46:20] | sphery: | wonder if there's an ffmpeg approach for getting such info that would allow us to use mythffmpeg ( http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/9892#comment:3 ) |
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| [01:52:28] | wagnerrp: | theres ffmpeg -i, but it doesnt provide nearly the same amount of information |
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| [01:52:34] | wagnerrp: | perhaps something we could add to mythutil |
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| [01:54:06] | sphery: | -i is just the input file name... by default it outputs some info |
| [01:54:21] | sphery: | then it exits with error saying you need to tell it to do something |
| [01:54:41] | wagnerrp: | right |
| [01:54:50] | wagnerrp: | it only gives basic stream information |
| [01:55:08] | sphery: | yeah, not sure what all nuvexport needs |
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| [01:55:29] | sphery: | I just assumed there had to be something that would actually request info in the 10M args of ffmpeg |
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| [01:57:02] | sphery: | seems it's just meant to actually decode files, though |
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| [01:57:49] | wagnerrp: | why would you want a utility to do that |
| [01:57:50] | Nigel: | sphery: thanks for the answer btw :) |
| [01:57:59] | wagnerrp: | cant you look at the hex codes in the file header? |
| [01:58:38] | sphery: | do what? |
| [01:58:51] | wagnerrp: | find out the stream info |
| [01:59:12] | sphery: | I don't know... ask nuvexport :) |
| [01:59:34] | sphery: | seems it needs information that isn't available unless some tool reads the file and provides the info |
| [02:00:01] | wagnerrp: | actually, thats EXACTLY what nuvexport does |
| [02:01:37] | sphery: | it's not using mplayer, anymore? |
| [02:01:42] | sphery: | if not, then can't we close that ticket? |
| [02:02:15] | skd5aner: | Good evening folks... I'm hoping someone might be able to see if they can replicate an issue for me real quick in mythgallery... |
| [02:02:24] | wagnerrp: | for nuvs, it opens the file in binary mode, and reads the information out of the stream header |
| [02:02:33] | wagnerrp: | for mpegs, it uses mplayer to grab information for it |
| [02:04:24] | skd5aner: | I'm finding a few different issues... it involves playback of video files that are in mythgallery. When I try and play one, either it'll start playback and I'll hear audio, but I'll have to hit escape before the video will appear... OR... the same thing will happen but when I hit escape, the screen turns black and I get a blue box taking up the upper right 1/4 of the screen and I have to kill off the frontend to recover |
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| [02:05:11] | skd5aner: | Using 0.24-fixes. Is anyoen able to easily playback a video without issue or "intervention" within mythgallery? |
| [02:05:30] | sphery: | I still don't get the idea of putting video in mythgallery :) |
| [02:05:37] | skd5aner: | I totally get it |
| [02:06:01] | skd5aner: | I have a point and shoot camera... 98% of the time I shoot pictures, 2% of the time I shoot video... but they are usually for the same event |
| [02:06:47] | skd5aner: | I'd like those to remain co-mingled. and every major photo manager in the world suports both images and video now, so from a consistancy standpoint, I think that's important |
| [02:07:17] | skd5aner: | If I shoot 10 pics of my daughter and 20 second video clip, I'd like to not have to put that in a seperate location – and watch it through a seperate menu and interface – they belong together (imho) |
| [02:08:11] | wagnerrp: | sphery: i see a use for it, same as skd5aner is talking about |
| [02:08:35] | wagnerrp: | i also see it as a reason we /need/ to get mythgallery moved over to the database, and storage groups, with a background scanner |
| [02:08:45] | wagnerrp: | lest people abuse it for videos when mythvideo loses its browse mode |
| [02:08:56] | skd5aner: | heh |
| [02:09:37] | skd5aner: | well, if anyone has the ability to test and see if that's an issue for them too, I'd like to make sure before I submit a bug report if it's an issue only I'm experiencing |
| [02:10:27] | skd5aner: | Also, I've got a enhancement patch to submit... but, unfortunately, I don't remember exactly what git commands I should use to create the patch :/ |
| [02:11:04] | sphery: | wagnerrp: yeah, I see a reason to want it |
| [02:11:11] | sphery: | but not a reason to do it with what we currently have |
| [02:11:37] | sphery: | I'm probably the one who most wants all media available from a single location |
| [02:11:51] | sphery: | with different views depending on what you want to see |
| [02:12:24] | wagnerrp: | sphery: i also see a fantastic opportunity to 'show those atom users what theyre missing' |
| [02:12:36] | wagnerrp: | cook up a video widget |
| [02:12:45] | skd5aner: | ahh, git diff... simple |
| [02:12:55] | wagnerrp: | decode any such videos, simultaneously, in real time |
| [02:13:07] | wagnerrp: | all playing in the image gallery using the opengl video renderer |
| [02:13:25] | skd5aner: | btw – is there a simple way to search the source online? |
| [02:13:38] | wagnerrp: | not that i know of |
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| [02:14:41] | skd5aner: | hrm... trac used to allow such a thing if I remember |
| [02:14:46] | skd5aner: | but probably not now that we're on git |
| [02:15:36] | wagnerrp: | trac had a browser, but no search capability that i konw of |
| [02:16:15] | skd5aner: | hmmm, maybe mistaking it for something else |
| [02:16:55] | nutron: | is all the backend/config/xml/fondling done yet? |
| [02:17:04] | nutron: | for the next release? |
| [02:17:27] | iamlindoro: | huh? |
| [02:17:40] | wagnerrp: | any major changes are probably in |
| [02:17:44] | skd5aner: | web based setup? |
| [02:17:47] | wagnerrp: | but fiddling wont be done until the feature freeze |
| [02:17:49] | nutron: | Aye. |
| [02:17:53] | iamlindoro: | no, web based setup is barely started |
| [02:18:19] | iamlindoro: | and will likely be completely disabled for the next release at this rate |
| [02:18:22] | nutron: | I was told a new API using xml was to be used for a backend no? |
| [02:18:43] | nutron: | Rather, when I say backend, I mean configuration. |
| [02:18:53] | nutron: | Not the server. |
| [02:19:03] | iamlindoro: | not using XML specifically, but yes, the Services API will be used for the setup rewrite |
| [02:19:19] | nutron: | So that's not rolling yet then? |
| [02:19:26] | wagnerrp: | the setup rewrite is partially finished |
| [02:19:28] | iamlindoro: | The Services API exists |
| [02:19:35] | wagnerrp: | but not sufficiently so that mythtv-setup has been removed |
| [02:19:38] | nutron: | :o |
| [02:19:42] | nutron: | Nnnnice. |
| [02:19:45] | iamlindoro: | And I wouldn't call the setup rewrite partially finished, any more than walking ten steps is a "partially finished marathon" |
| [02:20:06] | nutron: | iamlindoro: lol |
| [02:20:15] | nutron: | Ok, I'll keep waiting |
| [02:20:24] | iamlindoro: | The API needs massive expansion before i can be used for a fully functional web setup, and the web setup itself is barely begun, let alone anywhere near usable |
| [02:20:35] | wagnerrp: | partially written? partially functional? |
| [02:20:41] | wagnerrp: | one of those will apply |
| [02:20:53] | ** nutron picks the third option ** | |
| [02:21:06] | iamlindoro: | it is both partially written and has some functionality |
| [02:21:27] | iamlindoro: | But should definitely be completely disabled unless we put massive work in before next release |
| [02:21:52] | nutron: | So the API has some distance to go before being declared stable. |
| [02:22:29] | iamlindoro: | the API will likely always be in flux |
| [02:22:47] | nutron: | Thanks, hate poking at ya guys, I know you're busy. |
| [02:22:50] | iamlindoro: | It just has about a million miles to go before it has all the APIs it will need to replace all the needed functionality for setup |
| [02:23:12] | nutron: | :/ I'll never get to the perl stuff then |
| [02:25:44] | wagnerrp: | were you planning on writing it to use the http API solely? |
| [02:25:50] | nutron: | Wait... is there a spec? |
| [02:25:55] | wagnerrp: | as in, no database or protocol access at all? |
| [02:26:48] | nutron: | wagnerrp: I was told not to bother as the API functionality would render the bindings useless (yeah, no direct db touching) |
| [02:27:48] | wagnerrp: | i was told not to bother with the python bindings, because of the impending database schema changes to merge the recording and video tables |
| [02:28:09] | wagnerrp: | that was like two years ago |
| [02:28:32] | nutron: | Hrrm, who do I believe? :) |
| [02:30:07] | skd5aner: | million dollar question |
| [02:30:08] | wagnerrp: | the framework is there, but the API is lacking |
| [02:30:27] | wagnerrp: | if you want, you can help develop data access through the API to use with new bindings |
| [02:30:28] | sphery: | wow, I did 2 partial marathons today |
| [02:30:32] | ** sphery is so tired ** | |
| [02:30:47] | sphery: | I really need to move the refrigerator closer |
| [02:30:49] | nutron: | wagnerrp: oh? Tell me more. |
| [02:30:56] | nutron: | sphery: lol! |
| [02:32:54] | nutron: | github slow for me or everyone else... or does network graphing usually take forever? (branches/forks) |
| [02:34:25] | wagnerrp: | https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/tree/master/ . . . icecontracts https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/tree/master/ . . . serviceHosts https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/tree/master/ . . . end/services |
| [02:34:54] | wagnerrp: | right now, everything in there is more data driven, than command driven |
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| [02:35:39] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: correct, services API only |
| [02:35:51] | iamlindoro: | That's the goal, anyway |
| [02:36:02] | sphery: | http://slowforeveryoneorjustme.com/ |
| [02:36:06] | sphery: | oh, wait.... ;) |
| [02:40:22] | nutron: | so, is there a written specification, or some sort of recorded discussion I could follow to understand target functionality? |
| [02:41:21] | iamlindoro: | There are plenty of commits which show adding individual services, and individual APIs, to follow, and doing so is fairly easy once you understand the services framework |
| [02:41:30] | iamlindoro: | Discussions of how it works are largely non-public |
| [02:41:35] | wagnerrp: | the target functionality right now is to put in enough support to replace mythtv-setup, and move certain functions that make more sense to put into a web browser, in the web browser |
| [02:41:45] | iamlindoro: | well, not how it works, per se, but the discussion about it was mostly non-public |
| [02:43:02] | iamlindoro: | The non-public discussions were not by design, btw, it's just that discussion to date has mostly been among the devs |
| [02:43:09] | nutron: | I see, ok, I'll follow some commits. |
| [02:43:20] | iamlindoro: | if you have questions about expanding the APIs, you can ask them on the developers list and get answers |
| [02:43:51] | wagnerrp: | access to the new API is not all that much different from access to the old API |
| [02:44:15] | wagnerrp: | changes in location are relatively minor |
| [02:44:30] | wagnerrp: | since it is not inherently XML, there are no longer any attributes |
| [02:44:33] | wagnerrp: | just elements and text |
| [02:44:34] | iamlindoro: | Are you comparing Services to MythXML? |
| [02:44:50] | wagnerrp: | and you can POST to send data into it now, rather than use GET |
| [02:45:10] | wagnerrp: | in fact, anything that is expected to change the database will require POST methods |
| [02:45:15] | iamlindoro: | There are a couple of parallels to MythXML in Services, but Services can and does a lot more than MythXML ever could IMO |
| [02:45:17] | wagnerrp: | to prevent accidental change |
| [02:45:24] | wagnerrp: | it /does/ a lot more |
| [02:45:31] | wagnerrp: | im saying external access is not all that different |
| [02:45:42] | wagnerrp: | so if you used the old services, the new interface isnt much harder to use |
| [02:45:56] | iamlindoro: | I am just saying that MythXML was never really considered "the API" |
| [02:46:17] | iamlindoro: | MythXML was just a bolt-on that not much/not many used (versus MythProto being "the API" in my mind) |
| [02:46:31] | iamlindoro: | Whereas Services replaces, potentially, both MythXML and MythProto |
| [02:46:37] | wagnerrp: | fair enough |
| [02:46:53] | iamlindoro: | But I'm splitting hairs, so don't mind me :) |
| [02:47:24] | nutron: | Well I've been stuck in limbo with perl for so long, that I'm starting to feel like a poser, hence why I'm helping some other projects right now. Figuring out what to do here has always been my biggest problem, this seems reasonable, so that I can start playing with the codebase. |
| [02:47:35] | nutron: | Wow what a silly diatribe that was. |
| [02:48:06] | nutron: | Anyhoo. I'm pretty sure I can have it all done in a week, in perl, using less than 7000 lines of code. |
| [02:48:14] | nutron: | <that never gets old> |
| [02:49:30] | wagnerrp: | no, 1700 |
| [02:49:57] | nutron: | bah! I always get that number wrong! |
| [02:50:16] | wagnerrp: | and you already have it done, and youre using it |
| [02:50:25] | wagnerrp: | youre just around to tell us how wrong we all are |
| [02:50:38] | nutron: | Oh right! It wasn't perl, it's bash! |
| [02:50:47] | ** wagnerrp waits for capt'm to whip out his lamborghini ** | |
| [02:50:49] | wagnerrp: | no, it was perl |
| [02:50:56] | iamlindoro: | I believe the traditional retort is a car metaphor |
| [02:50:56] | iamlindoro: | heh |
| [02:50:57] | iamlindoro: | yeah |
| [02:51:09] | nutron: | Oh lol, heh! |
| [02:52:02] | wagnerrp: | http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/187428#187428 |
| [02:52:25] | nutron: | Why do stupid projects based on javascript get all of the activity? |
| [02:52:38] | wagnerrp: | i especially like... 'mythtv has about 112792 lines of code' |
| [02:52:40] | wagnerrp: | about? ABOUT? |
| [02:52:51] | nutron: | Aye. |
| [02:52:59] | wagnerrp: | about would be 100k, or 112k lines of code |
| [02:53:08] | nutron: | Is myth on ohloh? |
| [02:53:25] | wagnerrp: | http://www.ohloh.net/p/mythtv |
| [02:53:54] | wagnerrp: | at the time that was written, our code base was around 650k lines of code |
| [02:54:07] | wagnerrp: | how much of that was inherited from ffmpeg at that point, i dont know |
| [02:54:12] | nutron: | Oh wow, myth is pretty expensive! |
| [02:54:24] | [R]: | most oepn source projects are |
| [02:54:31] | nutron: | A cool 40 mil. |
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| [02:55:03] | wagnerrp: | once you get past ffmpeg, and the translations, and the assorted themes |
| [02:55:14] | wagnerrp: | mythtv legitimately has somewhere around 1.25M lines of code |
| [02:55:30] | iamlindoro: | I keep asking where I cash in on my part, but nobody will say |
| [02:56:01] | [R]: | iamlindoro: its emotional cash, not paper cash, didn't anyone tell you that? |
| [02:56:18] | iamlindoro: | Can I spend it on emotional gas? |
| [02:56:22] | [R]: | its supposed to make you rich at heart or something |
| [02:56:25] | [R]: | ROFL |
| [02:56:28] | nutron: | :o 1.25 "real" lines? |
| [02:56:29] | iamlindoro: | and emotional travel, and an emotional private island? |
| [02:56:36] | wagnerrp: | does emotional cash buy you hookers and beer? |
| [02:56:38] | nutron: | I can bump that up with witty commentary! |
| [02:56:40] | [R]: | LOL |
| [02:56:44] | wagnerrp: | both affect your emotions |
| [02:57:38] | nutron: | http://www.divinecaroline.com/ext/article_images/hooker.jpg |
| [03:05:17] | nutron: | http://www.motifake.com/image/demotivational- . . . 15366095.jpg <-- what cartoon was that, I vaguely remember watching it... |
| [03:07:06] | iamlindoro: | Captain Caveman |
| [03:07:26] | nutron: | Thanks iamlindoro |
| [03:07:28] | ** nutron googles ** | |
| [03:07:35] | iamlindoro: | np |
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| [03:48:19] | wagnerrp: | sphery: now that i think about it, thats a problem beirdo and i discussed at length a while back |
| [03:48:43] | wagnerrp: | i was drumming up ideas to add to the python bindings, and came across that bit in the perl bindings |
| [03:49:06] | wagnerrp: | i wanted something like it, but thought it foolish to call something external like mplayer, or even mythffmpeg |
| [03:49:32] | wagnerrp: | we decided ideally, it would be stored in the database, like additional types in recorded/videomarkup |
| [03:49:39] | wagnerrp: | but even that would be fairly limiting |
| [03:50:25] | wagnerrp: | we decided we would wait until someone undertook a major rework of the database schema regarding media content, and let them develop something manner to properly store that information for later access |
| [03:53:53] | Beirdo: | yeah, that would definitely be ideal :) |
| [03:56:10] | sphery: | hehe |
| [03:57:18] | wagnerrp: | (most of that discussion actually happened) |
| [03:58:20] | sphery: | maybe mythgallery should switch to using the list of video types defined for myth(now-part-of-core)video? |
| [03:58:33] | sphery: | rather than hard coding in a few |
| [03:58:57] | sphery: | ref: #10033 |
| [03:59:08] | wagnerrp: | then that would mean mythvideo would pick up 3gpp content as well |
| [03:59:21] | sphery: | only if the user defines it |
| [03:59:32] | sphery: | but is there some reason that you would want mythgallery to and mythvideo not to? |
| [03:59:46] | sphery: | besides, pretty sure 3gpp is a default in mythvideo |
| [03:59:51] | iamlindoro: | 3gp is already a default file type in mythvideo |
| [04:00:06] | Beirdo: | I'm of the opinion that mythgallery should be for images, not videos |
| [04:00:12] | sphery: | hehe, ok, 3gp, but not 3gpp :) |
| [04:00:18] | Beirdo: | but I know others think differently |
| [04:00:38] | iamlindoro: | I haven't had to add a new default extension in at least two years, mythvideo supports pertty much anything and everything commonly used |
| [04:00:47] | iamlindoro: | I agree, I don't like having videos in mythgallery |
| [04:01:11] | sphery: | it's easy to see the default types in mythvideo, now: https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/blob/master/ . . . ck.cpp#L7092 |
| [04:01:15] | iamlindoro: | The fact that your phone can produce videos doesn't mean they belong in a photo gallery (IMO) |
| [04:01:19] | Beirdo: | it will be easy enough to add another extension, but really, videos seem to fit better in mythvideo than mythgallery :) |
| [04:01:50] | sphery: | iamlindoro: and the same for a digital camera |
| [04:01:57] | sphery: | I agree... I'm not a fan |
| [04:02:01] | sphery: | I understand why people want it |
| [04:02:01] | iamlindoro: | heh, I have no idea why I wrote "phone" |
| [04:02:09] | iamlindoro: | when I fully intended to write camera |
| [04:02:10] | sphery: | well, for many, the camera is the phone |
| [04:02:19] | sphery: | or the phone is the camera... |
| [04:02:35] | Beirdo: | the media IS the message |
| [04:03:03] | sphery: | can't stop the signal |
| [04:03:16] | iamlindoro: | They shot me, Mal |
| [04:03:26] | iamlindoro: | oh wait |
| [04:03:28] | iamlindoro: | it's |
| [04:03:31] | iamlindoro: | He stabbed me, Mal |
| [04:03:33] | iamlindoro: | with a sword |
| [04:04:25] | sphery: | I need to get out my Firefly/Serenity DVDs and rewatch |
| [04:04:27] | wagnerrp: | as an alternative option, when we integrate mythgallery into core, and make it use the database, and storage groups |
| [04:04:27] | sphery: | I miss that |
| [04:04:52] | wagnerrp: | could we have images and video as two different modes of the same function? |
| [04:04:58] | iamlindoro: | ew |
| [04:05:04] | wagnerrp: | i.e. youre in mythgallery, looking at images |
| [04:05:07] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: yeah, that could be possible, I guess, but... |
| [04:05:14] | sphery: | I think all media should be available from a single location |
| [04:05:16] | wagnerrp: | you also took some videos at the same time, and theyre in the same folder |
| [04:05:17] | sphery: | with switchable views |
| [04:05:19] | iamlindoro: | I am a major opponent to the "everything in one gallery" approach favored by some |
| [04:05:23] | sphery: | and user-customizable filters |
| [04:05:26] | sphery: | (using tags :) |
| [04:05:29] | iamlindoro: | I strongly disagree |
| [04:05:29] | wagnerrp: | hit a button, flip to video mode |
| [04:05:36] | wagnerrp: | and now youre looking at all video in that current folder |
| [04:05:54] | sphery: | so you can have a view for your mythvideo, and one for your mythgallery, and one for your mythtv and... |
| [04:06:05] | sphery: | but I know I'll get no converts until I have the patch done |
| [04:06:10] | iamlindoro: | If we even begin to implement anything like that, I suspect Myth won't be for me any more |
| [04:06:28] | sphery: | we'll see if you change your mind |
| [04:06:44] | sphery: | the only difference would be that we wouldn't need 10 different locations in the main menu |
| [04:06:52] | sphery: | (but could have them if you want them) |
| [04:07:00] | wagnerrp: | i dont mind everything still remaining in separate locations |
| [04:07:03] | iamlindoro: | There are tons of menu items which should disappear |
| [04:07:07] | sphery: | and once in the media location, you could switch to any other media you like |
| [04:07:10] | wagnerrp: | im just saying such content is undenyably related |
| [04:07:17] | iamlindoro: | but items for each totally dissimilar type of media isn't among them |
| [04:07:25] | sphery: | wagnerrp: that's why I think all should be together |
| [04:07:28] | wagnerrp: | it would be nice for a mechanism to easily switch between related items of dissimilar media type |
| [04:07:32] | iamlindoro: | How are photos and video even peripherally related? |
| [04:07:48] | wagnerrp: | youre on vacation, you take some photos, you take some videos |
| [04:07:50] | sphery: | both were taken at the family reunion |
| [04:07:52] | wagnerrp: | all of the same location |
| [04:08:11] | sphery: | vacation... wagnerrp isn't spending enough time on mythtv |
| [04:08:13] | iamlindoro: | Which is not even remotely the predominant use of video mythtv |
| [04:08:45] | iamlindoro: | Just because people take video on vacation does not mean we should ruin the experience of what 99.9999999% of myth users want to do with their video |
| [04:09:43] | sphery: | iamlindoro: don't worry, it won't put that 23s video clip you once took by accident on your phone in your gallery of movies and tv series |
| [04:10:36] | iamlindoro: | So how do you propose it work? You are both suggesting that videos and photos would be all in one library |
| [04:10:41] | iamlindoro: | which is insane if you ask me |
| [04:10:47] | sphery: | IMHO, it's just a matter of media is media, and once I'm looking at my media, I should be able to bring up any of it I want without having to go back through the maze menu |
| [04:10:59] | iamlindoro: | media is NOT media is NOT media |
| [04:11:09] | iamlindoro: | And it's *one* level of menu |
| [04:11:18] | iamlindoro: | All the media libraries exist on the same exact level |
| [04:11:26] | Beirdo: | I really don't know how any of us can claim to know what the vast majority of users want. We haven't asked them that I know of. One person's assumption may be as correct as the next person's |
| [04:12:11] | Beirdo: | I leave the ideas of how the media is laid out to those who are more UI-friendly than I am :) |
| [04:12:20] | sphery: | so I'll be in Watch Recordings looking at my recordings, where I see Jaws 3 just recorded, and I decide tonight is the night to watch the Jaws Marathon that I was planning, so I switch the view to the MythVideo view (because I had moved Jaws 1 and 2 to MythVideo to keep until Jaws 3 aired/recorded) |
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| [04:12:33] | sphery: | and I watch 1, then 2, then flip back to recordings, then watch 3 |
| [04:12:34] | Beirdo: | but I really don't like the video in gallery fun we have now |
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| [04:13:17] | iamlindoro: | I'm just telling you now-- if anyone decides to do this, I'll be using XBMC. I've spent most of my time in myth on improving the UI and metadata library experience, and I'm not about to have that all pre-empted by people who have never even touched the UI, the library metadata, or any of the rest of the stuff I've busted my hump improving |
| [04:13:45] | sphery: | I don't see how anything is pre-empted |
| [04:13:49] | sphery: | everything looks identical |
| [04:13:51] | iamlindoro: | The whole idea of merging all the libraries into one is half baked. Sorry, but it is |
| [04:13:58] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: the shadow knows what wishes lurk in the hearts of users |
| [04:14:01] | sphery: | only thing that changes is my ability to switch to any |
| [04:14:07] | sphery: | it's basically jump points without having to make keys |
| [04:14:15] | iamlindoro: | In the words of Michael T. Dean, "Bind a jump point" |
| [04:15:23] | ** iamlindoro goes away before he gets more frustrated at this idea than he already is ** | |
| [04:16:15] | sphery: | anyway, like I said, don't worry about it, because I know you won't like it until you see the patch and try it out |
| [04:20:26] | Beirdo: | I'm not going to judge someone else's vision of how to make this better without having seen it :) |
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| [04:31:59] | ** Beirdo yawns ** | |
| [04:32:34] | Beirdo: | oh yeah, I wanted to split up the buildbot config into separate files. Time to learn me some wriggly snake. |
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| [04:43:26] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: you have a link to a decent "learn python for perl programmers" site? :) |
| [04:46:35] | ** wagnerrp is not a perl programmer ** | |
| [04:46:47] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [04:47:04] | Beirdo: | fair enough. Starting with the Python Tutorial is a good plan in your mind? |
| [04:47:22] | Beirdo: | i.e. tutorial from the docs |
| [04:50:16] | wagnerrp: | probably |
| [04:50:32] | wagnerrp: | anything youre curious about, feel free to ask |
| [04:50:39] | wagnerrp: | although ill probably only be up for another hour or so |
| [04:50:44] | Beirdo: | no problemo |
| [04:50:53] | Beirdo: | it's about time I learned me some python |
| [04:51:09] | Beirdo: | even if enforced indentation annoys me, it's good to know it |
| [04:51:52] | Beirdo: | if that's the worst part of the language, it's all good anyways |
| [04:52:26] | wagnerrp: | be aware, iterators only go in one direction |
| [04:52:32] | wagnerrp: | no backsies |
| [04:52:44] | Beirdo: | ahh, good to know |
| [04:52:52] | Beirdo: | I'm sure I'll forget it too :) |
| [04:55:04] | wagnerrp: | its not a big problem, but you may have to rework some stuff since it might not be what you expect |
| [04:55:20] | Beirdo: | all part of the joy :) |
| [04:55:22] | wagnerrp: | at worst, you just wrap it in list() and deal with the memory issues that entails |
| [05:02:17] | wagnerrp: | oh, and if you want some real fun, check out the __whatever__ methods |
| [05:03:05] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [05:07:53] | wagnerrp: | python has some really cool capabilities if you dig deep enough |
| [05:08:06] | wagnerrp: | but i doubt most people will see (or need to use) a tenth of that |
| [05:08:19] | Beirdo: | yeah, it does seem to be a very useful language |
| [05:11:46] | wagnerrp: | the biggest issue with it is the GIL |
| [05:11:57] | wagnerrp: | one process means one interpreter means one thread |
| [05:12:08] | wagnerrp: | you can only have one thread running through the interpreter at a time |
| [05:12:28] | wagnerrp: | you can have modules off running stuff in C that bypasses the GIL |
| [05:12:30] | sphery: | hehe, wikipedia tells me my python code is unpythonic |
| [05:12:44] | wagnerrp: | but python code must obey the GIL |
| [05:12:50] | sphery: | and now I wonder if wagnerrp is a Pythonist, Pythonista, or Pythoneer. |
| [05:14:12] | wagnerrp: | pythonista sounds like someone who serves you coffee with a strong hug |
| [05:14:50] | sphery: | makes me think of the maxinista commercial |
| [05:15:15] | sphery: | er, maxxinista |
| [05:16:01] | wagnerrp: | youve got those down there? |
| [05:16:14] | wagnerrp: | for some reason i thought that was a semi-local chain |
| [05:17:04] | sphery: | I had never seen them 'til I got down here |
| [05:18:00] | sphery: | more than 900 stores nationwide, but no map showing which states or anything |
| [05:18:39] | sphery: | http://find.mapmuse.com/brand/tjmaxx that has some |
| [05:18:47] | sphery: | seems they're very common on east coast |
| [05:19:02] | ** nutron buys a caselot of maxinista! uhh maxipads ** | |
| [05:19:41] | sphery: | OK, so I finished my patch, and it seems to work, so time to shut down my dev box |
| [05:20:05] | sphery: | (need time to fully test) |
| [05:20:09] | nutron: | OMG, take polish, run it through babelfish (yeah, the one from altavista), then try to fix the english... oh man does hilarity ensue |
| [05:21:12] | wagnerrp: | OMG, take swedish and... thats it... have you ever heard someone speak it? |
| [05:21:46] | sphery: | only that famous chef |
| [05:21:46] | Beirdo: | who was listening? |
| [05:22:41] | Beirdo: | OK, working on splitting the buildbot config into modules so we can maintain it easier than one honking file with buttloads of repetition |
| [05:23:00] | dekarl1: | The last mail to -dev reminds me that my mythbackend doesn't want to die every other day or so. So "service restart mythtb-backend" ends up with 2 instances running. (nothing a kill -9 can't fix) How to debug that? Attach gdb and get a dump? (It seems apport can do that, nicely) |
| [05:24:54] | sphery: | mine actually exits, but sometimes it takes a while (longer than the timeout for the start/stop script, so the script fails the shutdown, but it actually finishes shutting down within a couple seconds) |
| [05:25:30] | sphery: | though if you restarted it before it finished shuttind down, I could see that possibly causing the one that's shutting down to lock up and not exit properly |
| [05:25:48] | sphery: | if yours is completely not shutting down, a backtrace would be good |
| [05:26:21] | dekarl1: | I had them running in parallel for some hours lately... Seems to have been shutting down a bit (the new instance could bind all ports and got all capture devices just fine) but e.g. the housekeeper kept running (that's how I noticed) |
| [05:26:49] | sphery: | weird |
| [05:27:12] | dekarl1: | I'll start collecting backtraces (and learning the ubuntu tools for that) then. |
| [05:27:48] | Beirdo: | or just learn gdb |
| [05:28:06] | Beirdo: | we don't need ubuntu-specific stuff when the general case should work :) |
| [05:29:22] | dekarl1: | Ahh, but it's got that nicely shrink wrapped gdb to remotely support users like mom and dad, too ;) |
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| [05:31:07] | wagnerrp: | dekarl1: doesnt want to die? why are you restarting it in the first place? |
| [05:31:56] | dekarl: | To rescan channels and turn off EIT capture for broken muxes, that kind of stuff |
| [05:32:25] | wagnerrp: | your channels change that often? |
| [05:33:04] | dekarl: | I haven't got them setup and working stable with the new backend yet. |
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| [05:34:32] | dekarl: | I think it's a mix of hardware issues (analogue stuff) and DVB-SI fun. |
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| [05:35:56] | dekarl: | The beloved multiple frequencies with the same ids over the air and what seems like bad repetition rates / reception of SI tables on the cable. |
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| [06:06:40] | skd5aner: | how does XBMC handle photo galleries? do they include video playback capabilities for people who have mixed media for an "album"? |
| [06:07:00] | skd5aner: | oops, meant to send that a few hours ago :/ |
| [06:07:02] | Beirdo: | dunno |
| [06:07:49] | skd5aner: | I would just challenge you to find a modern photo gallery manager/db/etc that doesn't handle pictures and video for the sole purpose that when exporting items from a camera it could include both |
| [06:07:56] | skd5aner: | I don't see why MythGallery should be any different? |
| [06:09:26] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: youre not a wiki op? |
| [06:10:06] | skd5aner: | For me to navigate into "Mythgallery | 2011 | Daughters First Birthday Party" to look at the pictures... then navigate out to have to go through any other menu heirarchy to watch the 20 second clip of her blowing out her candles on the cake that I took with the same camera seems kinda crazy to me |
| [06:10:19] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: not that I know of |
| [06:10:57] | Beirdo: | skd5aner: yeah, I hear you, I just don't like the way it's currently setup, but that doesn't mean I won't look at the patch :) |
| [06:11:15] | Beirdo: | I don't have any better ideas at this point |
| [06:11:19] | skd5aner: | I think that's why mythgallery was designed the way it is to begin with... to consider it to be only a static picture slideshow gallery seems like taking a few steps back and not competing with other comparable solutions |
| [06:11:31] | skd5aner: | Beirdo: heh – I know... I talking about the future I guess... |
| [06:12:10] | skd5aner: | Beirdo: It's fine as it is right now, I'm scared of what might eventually be – pre-emptive worry based on some opinions of those with the power to make the change (mainly you for example) |
| [06:12:21] | skd5aner: | :) |
| [06:12:42] | Beirdo: | hehe |
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| [06:12:58] | skd5aner: | My patch doesn't really change anything other than not limiting a single container that's fairly popular when syncing certain kinds of cameras (mainly camera phones) |
| [06:13:05] | Beirdo: | as I did say, I'll yield on the "better way" to those who are more UI-friendly |
| [06:13:17] | skd5aner: | that said, I'm not sure if you saw earlier when I said I am having playback issues |
| [06:13:29] | Beirdo: | yeah, no reason not to allow that if we allow other formats |
| [06:13:49] | skd5aner: | it's like it's not clearing the UI before playback... not sure what's going on with that... but I'll likely submit a ticket – just not quite sure what -v modes will be useful yet |
| [06:13:56] | skd5aner: | -v playback, gui maybe |
| [06:14:36] | skd5aner: | last night it worked if I hit escape, but if I hit ANY other key during playback... segfault |
| [06:14:49] | skd5aner: | tonight, if I hit escape it was doing "bad things" |
| [06:14:49] | Beirdo: | playback in what? |
| [06:14:53] | skd5aner: | mythgallery |
| [06:14:54] | ** wagnerrp continues his rampage against worthless wiki accounts ** | |
| [06:15:02] | skd5aner: | of video |
| [06:15:19] | Beirdo: | well, that's been half-borked forever |
| [06:16:00] | Beirdo: | I'm not sure if its still using mplayer or if we changed it to the internal player |
| [06:16:06] | skd5aner: | yea... I knew it hasn't always been great... but I do know that it worked alright for me in .23-fixes... either way, if I can get a good backtrace of the segfault and other details about when it doesn't segfault I'll submit a ticket |
| [06:16:17] | skd5aner: | Beirdo: well, there is a setting for which player to launch |
| [06:16:28] | skd5aner: | I believe it still defaults to mplayer – but I set it to internal |
| [06:16:41] | skd5aner: | Internal will work... but I think there's a few lose wires |
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| [06:17:15] | skd5aner: | sphery: ^ probably a good setting for you to investigate removing possibly if internal can be used solidly |
| [06:17:20] | skd5aner: | or Beirdo :) |
| [06:17:28] | skd5aner: | anyway – I'm overdue for bed... good night! |
| [06:17:44] | Beirdo: | aye |
| [06:17:47] | Beirdo: | night :) |
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| [06:25:39] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: do you know if theres a command in mysql for 'this is one of these values'? |
| [06:26:06] | wagnerrp: | like QList.contains(value) |
| [06:26:33] | Beirdo: | it does ring a bell |
| [06:27:00] | Beirdo: | 'string' in ('string1', 'string2') or soemthing like that? |
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| [06:27:21] | Beirdo: | I'd have to go hit the docs to be sure |
| [06:28:17] | wagnerrp: | yeah, that works |
| [06:28:18] | wagnerrp: | thanks |
| [06:28:36] | wagnerrp: | im digging through the email addresses of wiki users |
| [06:28:45] | wagnerrp: | and want to filter out some common domains |
| [06:29:12] | Beirdo: | ahhh |
| [06:29:19] | Beirdo: | no problemo |
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| [06:38:01] | FabriceMG: | wagnerrp, http://wiki.gromez.fr/dev/api/allocine_v3 , translate in english |
| [06:41:54] | wagnerrp: | eh? |
| [06:43:50] | FabriceMG: | if i make 1 script for extract metadata to allocine, did you integrate this script? |
| [06:44:15] | wagnerrp: | we used to have an allocine script up until 0.23 |
| [06:44:35] | wagnerrp: | but the output format changed, and no one changed the allocine script to suit |
| [06:44:57] | wagnerrp: | you might want to start with http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/9074 |
| [06:48:37] | Beirdo: | so far, this is far easier than I had expected |
| [06:48:38] | Beirdo: | heh |
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| [06:51:25] | wagnerrp: | hehehe... Whitehouse, what an unfortunate last name |
| [06:51:53] | wagnerrp: | search for your name online and get government and porn |
| [06:52:56] | FabriceMG: | wagnerrp, I will rewrite the script in API V3 and python, I will do it this this week |
| [06:53:11] | wagnerrp: | doesnt need to be python |
| [06:53:16] | wagnerrp: | use whatever youre comfortable with |
| [06:53:31] | Beirdo: | preferrably not Haskell :) |
| [06:54:06] | wagnerrp: | it just needs to conform to http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythTV_Universal_Metadata_Format |
| [06:55:17] | wagnerrp: | FabriceMG: whenever you get it compliant with that format, throw it up on a ticket, and i doubt iamlindoro will have any problem committing it |
| [06:56:49] | FabriceMG: | I have made some script for metadata in version 0.22,0.23 for french community |
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| [06:58:14] | FabriceMG: | You never sleep? :) |
| [06:59:44] | wagnerrp: | i sleep plenty, like that big chunk between when you reported that issue yesterday, and i submitted a fix |
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| [07:00:27] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: something about even length columns on sequential user IDs looks bad... http://pastebin.com/4ciriy0b |
| [07:01:13] | Beirdo: | ewww |
| [07:02:31] | wagnerrp: | theres like 2300 of them |
| [07:02:34] | wagnerrp: | and then a break |
| [07:02:38] | wagnerrp: | and then it starts back up |
| [07:03:43] | wagnerrp: | oddly enough, not a single one made a single comment |
| [07:04:22] | wagnerrp: | theyre just worthlessly padding our user count |
| [07:05:03] | Beirdo: | figures |
| [07:05:50] | Beirdo: | OK.. crossing fingers |
| [07:05:51] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [07:06:17] | Beirdo: | import config.builders.linux |
| [07:06:17] | Beirdo: | factory_linux_master = config.builders.linux.factory("master", "x86") |
| [07:06:29] | Beirdo: | soooo much nicer than 100+ lines o' crap |
| [07:06:50] | Beirdo: | moved the slave passwords into a dict in config.slaves too |
| [07:06:58] | Beirdo: | which will NOT go into git |
| [07:07:20] | Beirdo: | but basically, the rest can as all the stuff to censor is in there |
| [07:07:34] | FabriceMG: | wagnerrp, thx for your fix, mythfilldatabase work this morning ;) |
| [07:08:35] | wagnerrp: | 6049 entries total |
| [07:08:44] | wagnerrp: | thats a full third of our registered users on the wiki |
| [07:09:37] | wagnerrp: | none of which ever blocked |
| [07:10:05] | Beirdo: | muhahahahah! |
| [07:10:14] | Beirdo: | Reconfiguration appears to have completed successfully. |
| [07:10:17] | Beirdo: | YAY |
| [07:10:40] | Beirdo: | so, to add a new slave, you configure it in the config/slaves.py file |
| [07:10:50] | Beirdo: | and it will get sucked in in a loop at startup |
| [07:34:04] | FabriceMG: | What is compatibility version of python for 0.25? |
| [07:35:33] | FabriceMG: | 2.6? |
| [07:35:56] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp would certainly know best on that |
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| [08:00:00] | Beirdo: | OK, bedtime for me |
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| [11:49:22] | dekarl: | sphery: https://bugs.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/+bug/846953 <- backend segfaulting when shutting down in the process of apt-get upgrading |
| [11:49:23] | dekarl: | and https://bugs.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/+bug/846960 <- backend doesnt correclty come up ending in a state where it can't be killed (kill -9 works) |
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| [15:02:01] | wagnerrp: | FabriceMG: the 0.25 python bindings require python 2.6 |
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| [15:02:22] | wagnerrp: | however if you are writing an external grabber script, there should be no need to use the python bindings |
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| [15:02:36] | wagnerrp: | as there should be no need to access the backend or database |
| [15:03:22] | wagnerrp: | we put the API interfaces behind tmdb/ttvdb into the bindings |
| [15:03:34] | FabriceMG: | it's for compatibility with Mythtv on the system |
| [15:03:49] | wagnerrp: | because the author working on those scripts wanted to use those same APIs elsewhere, for mythnetvision grabbers |
| [15:04:23] | wagnerrp: | any modern distro should have 2.6 or 2.7 installed |
| [15:04:33] | wagnerrp: | rhel/centos was the last hold out for that |
| [15:04:52] | wagnerrp: | but theyve since released new versions with modern python executables |
| [15:05:19] | wagnerrp: | however note that arch has foolishly put python3.1 as their default version |
| [15:05:46] | laga_: | python2 can still be installed |
| [15:06:22] | wagnerrp: | installed yes, but it must be explicitly called |
| [15:06:28] | wagnerrp: | if you just run 'python', you get 3.1 |
| [15:06:29] | laga_: | indeed |
| [15:06:50] | laga_: | i linked python2 to ~/bin/python |
| [15:06:54] | wagnerrp: | even though nearly everything out there you may want to run will be designed to run on 2.x |
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| [15:07:28] | wagnerrp: | so when they run add #!/usr/bin/python to the top of the file, it will fail |
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| [15:08:57] | wagnerrp: | note that the install scripts for mythtv are designed to rewrite the hashbang line on any python script it manages |
| [15:09:13] | FabriceMG: | wagnerrp, Someone wrote a script "Allociné" for version 0.24, but the script is not compatible with 0.25. I asked the question for the update or I wrote a new one. |
| [15:09:15] | wagnerrp: | so it uses the specific python executable specified during configure |
| [15:09:34] | wagnerrp: | anything compatible with 0.24 will be compatible with 0.25 |
| [15:09:43] | dekarl: | hmm, I just looked at the ticket with the allocine grabber and the _fr_iphone xmltv grabber, both are written in perl anyway ;) |
| [15:09:54] | wagnerrp: | assuming its actually compatible with 0.24, and doesnt bypass the whole infrastructure and hit the database anyway |
| [15:10:02] | wagnerrp: | s/anyway/directly/ |
| [15:14:07] | FabriceMG: | for work with 0.25 version , the script don't have -v command line, and the 0.25 don't recognize the script |
| [15:14:18] | wagnerrp: | ah, well thats trivial to add |
| [15:15:04] | wagnerrp: | if thats all thats missing, its all of two minutes to get it working |
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| [15:18:16] | FabriceMG: | not sure ! :) not tested |
| [15:18:55] | FabriceMG: | wagnerrp, http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/491212 , it's for you |
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| [15:20:42] | wagnerrp: | yeah, im looking at it presently |
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| [15:28:53] | FabriceMG: | dekarl, yes, some script for "allociné" with parsing html page, but now there is an API |
| [15:30:00] | dekarl: | hmm, did you look at the ticket? I have the script open and it looks to use the api at first look. |
| [15:30:24] | dekarl: | but it seems to have been a html scraper in the beginning |
| [15:30:55] | FabriceMG: | API v1; not v3 with TVSeries |
| [15:31:44] | dekarl: | hmm, true, it's just handling movies at the moment |
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| [15:58:30] | FabriceMG: | Sandy bridge + Mythbuntu 10.04 + Hauppage Nova DVB-T , It's work? |
| [15:59:10] | FabriceMG: | more accurately: Asus P8h67-M |
| [15:59:24] | mkrufky: | should work, FabriceMG |
| [16:00:29] | wagnerrp: | there have been complaints about the intel graphics driver's inability to deal with bad EDID information coming from some TVs |
| [16:00:32] | AndyCap: | FabriceMG: dunno about the onboard graphics and 10.04 |
| [16:02:01] | wagnerrp: | the hardware itself benchmarks every bit as well as the graphics on the ION systems |
| [16:02:09] | wagnerrp: | the complaints have been deficiencies in the drivers |
| [16:02:33] | AndyCap: | wagnerrp: it requires a fairly new graphics stack doesn't it? |
| [16:03:24] | wagnerrp: | no reason you shouldnt be able to get modern drivers for 10.04, considering its an LTS vintage |
| [16:05:41] | FabriceMG: | the graphic card work perfectly on 11.04, but not the Hauppauge card ! no synchronization in the frontend |
| [16:06:02] | wagnerrp: | synchronization? |
| [16:06:28] | FabriceMG: | LMs |
| [16:06:43] | FabriceMG: | for the livetv |
| [16:06:47] | wagnerrp: | i dont know what that is |
| [16:07:52] | AndyCap: | oh, can't get a signal lock |
| [16:08:14] | AndyCap: | the LMSC letters in mythtv status window. |
| [16:08:25] | FabriceMG: | yes AndyCap |
| [16:08:29] | AndyCap: | s/status window/OSD/ |
| [16:08:51] | FabriceMG: | ha ha |
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| [16:17:52] | NickHu: | Hey guys, how come mythtv is spilling ridiculously late into recordings? I set it to record two consecutive 30 minute shows and it gave me one 45 minute 'episode' and another 15 minute one |
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| [16:19:32] | FabriceMG: | 30+30=45+15, it's good , no? ;) sorry ,joke |
| [16:21:12] | NickHu: | I don't like how it record-bleeds if you will |
| [16:23:58] | wagnerrp: | the only reason mythtv would be doing that is either the guide data says to, or the scheduler is locked up |
| [16:37:15] | NickHu: | Well the guide data is fine... How could I check for the other issue? |
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| [16:41:43] | wagnerrp: | go into the info center, in the frontend |
| [16:41:46] | wagnerrp: | look at the logs |
| [16:41:56] | wagnerrp: | one of the handful of things logged there is scheduler runs, and their times |
| [16:42:20] | wagnerrp: | there will be two values listed, and a sum |
| [16:42:23] | wagnerrp: | these are in seconds |
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| [16:54:02] | NickHu: | No items found at priority 5 or lower |
| [16:54:07] | NickHu: | And it says the same for 8 and 1 |
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| [16:56:04] | FabriceMG: | NickHu, Did you have 1 or 2 tuner ? |
| [16:56:16] | NickHu: | Just one |
| [16:56:31] | NickHu: | But I listed it as 5 so myth can do 5 things on the same multiplex |
| [16:57:19] | FabriceMG: | 1 real tuner and 5 virtual tuners? |
| [16:57:49] | NickHu: | Yup |
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| [17:09:55] | mattwj2002: | hi guys |
| [17:10:10] | mattwj2002: | you are never going to believe what I am going to use for a backend |
| [17:10:24] | mattwj2002: | an HD backend even |
| [17:11:34] | mattwj2002: | an eee PC 900 |
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| [17:15:22] | mattwj2002: | hi [R] |
| [17:39:24] | mattwj2002: | anyone here? |
| [17:39:25] | mattwj2002: | :O |
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| [18:14:19] | mattwj2002: | anyone here? |
| [18:14:29] | mattwj2002: | 168 people and no one talking? |
| [18:14:30] | mattwj2002: | geez |
| [18:19:44] | wagnerrp: | no, were just flabbergasted as to why someone would want to use something so underpowered for a master backend and database server |
| [18:20:22] | wagnerrp: | surely this is a temporary thing, right? |
| [18:21:07] | wagnerrp: | mattwj2002: ^^^ |
| [18:23:41] | mattwj2002: | yeah I need to find a better backend |
| [18:24:02] | mattwj2002: | but it should work |
| [18:24:19] | mattwj2002: | it has a 1.5 TB hard drive |
| [18:24:43] | wagnerrp: | internal? |
| [18:24:48] | mattwj2002: | USB |
| [18:25:53] | wagnerrp: | so usb tuner, usb hard drive, on a product with very little CPU power, and for which "cheap" was the intent of its design |
| [18:26:02] | wagnerrp: | good luck |
| [18:26:06] | wagnerrp: | it wont help you |
| [18:26:32] | ** wagnerrp typed that on his 10yr old and more powerful thinkpad ** | |
| [18:26:46] | mattwj2002: | no not a usb tuner |
| [18:26:53] | mattwj2002: | HDHomeRun |
| [18:30:45] | mattwj2002: | wagnerrp: also for the record |
| [18:30:51] | mattwj2002: | I am just using this as a backend |
| [18:31:00] | mattwj2002: | not as a frontend |
| [18:31:05] | wagnerrp: | so? backends need power too |
| [18:31:50] | wagnerrp: | in fact, backends have more need for power than frontends |
| [18:32:01] | wagnerrp: | with a frontend, you could at least get by with no power and VDPAU |
| [18:32:12] | wagnerrp: | with a backend, all of its needs can only be done in software |
| [18:34:10] | mattwj2002: | good point |
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| [18:34:50] | mattwj2002: | maybe I can get my P4 going |
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| [18:36:29] | wagnerrp: | yes, even the slowest of the lowly P4 has more power than that processor |
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| [18:53:26] | mattwj2002: | I think I fixed my P4 |
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| [19:18:36] | mattwj2002: | wagnerrp: I am going to do this right |
| [19:18:41] | mattwj2002: | I got my P4 working |
| [19:19:19] | mattwj2002: | it is only 1.7 Ghz though |
| [19:19:42] | wagnerrp: | a 1.7GHz P4 really isnt all that great either |
| [19:19:49] | wagnerrp: | the big thing you have to worry about is scheduler runes |
| [19:20:09] | mattwj2002: | I don't plan to re-encode |
| [19:20:10] | wagnerrp: | the scheduler is single threaded, takes a lot of power, and if you run over ~1 minute, you start to suffer disruption in recordings |
| [19:20:29] | mattwj2002: | commerical flagging will suck |
| [19:21:00] | wagnerrp: | the more channels you have, the more recording rules you have, the more current and past recordings you have, the more tuners you have to schedule on... all adds up to longer scheduler runes |
| [19:21:20] | mattwj2002: | single HDHOMERUN tuner |
| [19:21:42] | wagnerrp: | single? not dual? |
| [19:21:53] | mattwj2002: | it is a dual tuner but I am only using one of them |
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| [19:27:19] | mattwj2002: | wagnerrp: have you tried the hdhomerun prime? |
| [19:29:02] | wagnerrp: | no, but several have, including at least two devs |
| [19:29:14] | wagnerrp: | and several of silicon dust's own people |
| [19:29:56] | mattwj2002: | it only works with Windows Media Center? |
| [19:30:06] | mattwj2002: | or does it work with Mythtv? |
| [19:31:07] | mattwj2002: | I heard rumors before it was released it partially worked with mythtv |
| [19:33:14] | wagnerrp: | it works fully with mythtv |
| [19:33:30] | wagnerrp: | and any other product that supports the libhdhomerun API |
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| [19:34:02] | wagnerrp: | however, since mythtv (and every software besides windows media center) is not an authorized cablecard product |
| [19:34:15] | wagnerrp: | the hdhomerun prime will not allow access to copy protected content |
| [19:34:29] | mattwj2002: | how much is copy protected on average? |
| [19:34:33] | mattwj2002: | a lot a little? |
| [19:34:33] | wagnerrp: | in other words, it works fully, but you only get partial access |
| [19:34:39] | wagnerrp: | that depends on the provider |
| [19:34:50] | wagnerrp: | comcast provides a lot, time warner provides a little |
| [19:34:58] | wagnerrp: | and then it varies from market to market |
| [19:35:25] | mattwj2002: | hmm |
| [19:35:54] | mattwj2002: | well I have comcast |
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| [19:37:13] | mattwj2002: | I would be curious what I would get |
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| [19:42:27] | Shadow__X: | mattwj2002: from what i hear it is comparible to what you get when using firewire to the stb |
| [19:42:38] | mattwj2002: | okay cool |
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| [19:45:38] | mattwj2002: | man the hdhr3–6cc-3x2 is crazy |
| [19:45:39] | mattwj2002: | :) |
| [19:45:53] | mattwj2002: | how many cables plug into that? |
| [19:46:01] | wagnerrp: | two "cable" cables |
| [19:47:44] | mattwj2002: | :P |
| [19:48:13] | mattwj2002: | that would be insane! |
| [19:48:14] | mattwj2002: | :) |
| [19:48:28] | wagnerrp: | its literally two HDHomeRun Primes, strapped into a single chassis, with an internally shared power supply |
| [19:48:51] | mattwj2002: | does it have two ethernet jacks two? |
| [19:49:00] | wagnerrp: | its literally two HDHomeRun Primes, strapped into a single chassis, with an internally shared power supply |
| [19:49:00] | mattwj2002: | *too |
| [19:49:10] | mattwj2002: | yes then |
| [19:49:17] | wagnerrp: | yes |
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| [20:32:05] | [R]: | i'm watching pearl habor in HD |
| [20:32:10] | [R]: | its so glorious looking |
| [20:32:44] | wagnerrp: | like, the remastered war footage History Channel put out? |
| [20:33:52] | [R]: | the movie... |
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| [20:34:12] | wagnerrp: | oh, you mean the joke |
| [20:34:21] | [R]: | lol |
| [20:34:34] | [R]: | still looks amazing |
| [20:35:50] | wagnerrp: | in HD, you realize those ships getting attacked are Perry class frigates |
| [20:36:07] | [R]: | lol |
| [20:36:08] | wagnerrp: | you see those things in the harbor? we still use those things in the harbor |
| [20:36:29] | wagnerrp: | they would have taken out the jap planes with SeaRAMs long before they were in torpedo range |
| [20:37:01] | wagnerrp: | oh, in SD... you still realize that the movie got nothing right from any kind of historical perspective |
| [20:37:47] | [R]: | haha |
| [20:38:09] | [R]: | http://www.nbcbayarea.com/blogs/press-here/Mo . . . 9535783.html |
| [20:39:30] | [R]: | "so we bunched our planes together to make them easier to protect" |
| [20:39:31] | [R]: | OR |
| [20:39:33] | [R]: | easier to destroy |
| [20:39:47] | wagnerrp: | bunched our planes together? huh? |
| [20:40:26] | [R]: | thats what they said in the movie |
| [20:40:43] | wagnerrp: | well you know what? theyre wrong |
| [20:41:03] | wagnerrp: | they DID have the planes fueled up, on the tarmac, ready to scramble |
| [20:41:14] | wagnerrp: | which would have made the attack very much different had they continued that |
| [20:41:30] | wagnerrp: | but they were afraid of japanese sappers breaking into the bases at night and destroying the aircraft |
| [20:41:42] | wagnerrp: | so instead, they had them hidden away in the hangers |
| [20:42:02] | wagnerrp: | which the attack came, they had nothing prepped, so nothing got off the ground |
| [20:43:40] | wagnerrp: | from what i hear, michael bay listened to the technical advisor for about 37 seconds, before vomiting in his face, and throwing him off the set |
| [20:44:39] | [R]: | haha |
| [20:44:56] | [R]: | everyone knows hollywood movies are never histroically correct |
| [20:45:07] | [R]: | if you just accept that... |
| [20:45:38] | wagnerrp: | no, this cant be considered 'not historically correct' |
| [20:45:53] | wagnerrp: | theres about as much history in that movie to fill half a paragraph |
| [20:45:58] | [R]: | lol |
| [20:46:24] | wagnerrp: | yeah, there was a base in pearl harbor, it got bombed by japanese, and then we flew b-25s off a carrier to bomb them |
| [20:46:27] | wagnerrp: | thats about it |
| [20:46:29] | [R]: | what about the black guy who was a cook... im sure that was historically accurate |
| [20:46:47] | wagnerrp: | yes, im sure there was a black guy who was a cook somewhere in hawaii |
| [20:47:19] | [R]: | but the whole backstory about how he dindt want to be a cook, but had to be |
| [20:47:37] | wagnerrp: | lots of people dont like their jobs |
| [20:48:30] | [R]: | lol |
| [20:49:14] | [R]: | "A brilliant man would find a way to not fight a war." i wonder if that quote is accurate |
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| [20:58:21] | wagnerrp: | apparently that movie is currently on AMC |
| [20:58:45] | wagnerrp: | seems the "japanese fleet" is a modern nimitz class carrier group |
| [20:59:00] | wagnerrp: | i didnt know they had angled decks back then |
| [20:59:08] | [R]: | im watching it on amc right now |
| [20:59:11] | ** wagnerrp waits to see the F-14s take off ** | |
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| [21:47:48] | mattwj2002: | hi all |
| [21:49:35] | mattwj2002: | anyone here? |
| [21:49:58] | mattwj2002: | wagnerrp are you here? |
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| [22:08:47] | wagnerrp: | i am, but it seems youre not |
| [22:09:11] | ** wagnerrp heads back out ** | |
| [22:23:51] | Beirdo: | tag, you're it! |
| [22:24:51] | kugel_: | wagnerrp: I had heard that the planes at Pearl Harbor were clumped together away from buildings, etc., probably so that anybody approaching could be seen well before they got there (fear of agents or fifth columnists). |
| [22:26:45] | kugel_: | Ah, well, I've got about three more histories of the Pacific theater in WWII, so I can hope that my knowledge will be a bit more solid before the end of this year. |
| [22:28:31] | kugel_: | (whoops, "histories" => "histories to read" |
| [22:28:33] | kugel_: | ) |
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| [22:28:52] | mattwj2002: | hi all |
| [22:32:17] | Beirdo: | this is sad. |
| [22:32:30] | mattwj2002: | what is sad Beirdo? |
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| [22:32:49] | Beirdo: | I just posted to Facebook... quoting... an editorial from Al Jazeera |
| [22:32:51] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [22:33:22] | Beirdo: | amazing when the most neutral and thoughtful articles are from that source, I tell ya |
| [22:39:54] | mattwj2002: | FBI come knocking yet? |
| [22:40:03] | Beirdo: | why would they? |
| [22:40:16] | Beirdo: | they can go knock on the door of the author... at Princeton |
| [22:40:41] | [R]: | but you posted it |
| [22:40:56] | Beirdo: | it really is balanced, BTW |
| [22:41:20] | Beirdo: | not propaganda, like most of the nasty crap on either side in the media |
| [22:42:37] | Beirdo: | anywho, maybe I should go put more books away |
| [22:42:51] | Beirdo: | doing stuff is so overrated |
| [22:57:54] | mattwj2002: | guys I could use some help |
| [22:58:30] | mattwj2002: | my backend isn't pulling in the guide information |
| [22:59:14] | mattwj2002: | I moved the mythtv direct |
| [22:59:18] | mattwj2002: | *directory |
| [22:59:48] | mattwj2002: | anyone have any ideas? |
| [23:01:14] | [R]: | mythfilldatabase isn't running |
| [23:01:50] | mattwj2002: | I ran mythdatabase multiple times |
| [23:02:20] | mattwj2002: | *mythfilldatabase |
| [23:03:11] | [R]: | and what does it say |
| [23:04:27] | mattwj2002: | http://pastebin.com/e5PUQDsm |
| [23:06:07] | mattwj2002: | any ideas [R] |
| [23:06:08] | mattwj2002: | ? |
| [23:06:38] | [R]: | thats like 10 lines |
| [23:06:43] | [R]: | mytfhilldatabase says a little more... |
| [23:09:23] | mattwj2002: | oh I figured it out I think |
| [23:09:26] | mattwj2002: | on second |
| [23:11:48] | mattwj2002: | it says no channels are configured to use this grabber |
| [23:11:51] | mattwj2002: | that is weird |
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| [23:30:20] | wagnerrp: | kugel_: yeah, i had it backwards |
| [23:30:48] | wagnerrp: | i knew they were concerned about sabotage, but i thought they were securing them in the hangers, as opposed to all clumped together in the center of the airfield |
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| [23:53:37] | mattwj2002: | wagnerrp: I think I found my issue |
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