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| [00:20:20] | skd5aner: | Out of curiosity, is anyone planning on reviewing and/or applying patches for mythweb? |
| [00:20:29] | skd5aner: | (for 0.25) |
| [00:20:46] | ** wagnerrp closed a mythweb patch today ** | |
| [00:21:07] | skd5aner: | I submitted a fairly trivial one, but I think it makes a big difference |
| [00:21:40] | skd5aner: | http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/9713 |
| [00:22:03] | skd5aner: | actually, I see you changed it to assigned wagnerrp |
| [00:22:23] | wagnerrp: | yeah, im not touching that one |
| [00:22:30] | wagnerrp: | (would require learning css0 |
| [00:23:34] | skd5aner: | heh... well, I tried to do my research well and also tested it out, but I understand if you aren't comfortable enough with it to give it the thumbs up – I just hope someone will |
| [00:23:35] | sphery: | or CSS 2 or 3, even |
| [00:24:11] | skd5aner: | been running it on my -fixes for about 5 months now... works good |
| [00:24:41] | sphery: | heh, "all modern browsers and IE6/7" :) |
| [00:25:14] | skd5aner: | sphery: you like that? but, seriously... that was the challenge... |
| [00:25:25] | skd5aner: | it would have been much easier for me to try and make it work and say "screw IE6/7" |
| [00:25:28] | sphery: | yeah, no joke--I've wrestled with CSS before |
| [00:25:49] | sphery: | and for some reason, customers always want to use IE |
| [00:26:23] | skd5aner: | That said – I honestly didn't have IE6 to test with – so I was going off of advice that indicated it would work |
| [00:26:38] | sphery: | I do like the rowspan = 2 part |
| [00:26:48] | sphery: | the line item you're sneaking in :) |
| [00:28:40] | sphery: | unlike the President, though, we have (and are willing to use our) line-item veto powers |
| [00:28:58] | sphery: | of course, since I like that change, I wouldn't exercise those powers... |
| [00:29:15] | wagnerrp: | so... youre not willing? |
| [00:29:23] | skd5aner: | sphery: "Uploaded v2 of the patch – minor changes to keep row height for each show consistent regardless of icon height (or lack of icon)." |
| [00:29:27] | sphery: | hehe, not for this /one/ item |
| [00:30:07] | sphery: | why the colspan 5 to 6 for description? |
| [00:30:19] | sphery: | doesn't cause problems for those icons? |
| [00:30:28] | skd5aner: | I think it makes it look extremely more appealing. And the best way to check is to go grab the HQ icon for E network, and use it in the current code |
| [00:30:32] | skd5aner: | then apply the patch, and see the difference |
| [00:30:36] | wagnerrp: | skd5aner: i think the big issue is that xris and kormoc_afk plan to do a big rewrite at some point, although what that rewrite is has not yet been decided |
| [00:30:59] | wagnerrp: | but its hard to work up the will to work on something you plan on completely rewriting anyway |
| [00:31:25] | sphery: | ooh, space change... patch denied! |
| [00:31:27] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: yea, but you know what... that's where I say "who gives a ****" – because unless that's goign to happen and be done within 2 months, does it really mean we should ignore patches on what we have now that may be around "indefinitely"? |
| [00:32:06] | skd5aner: | especially, fairly simplistic ones... I mean, if I was re-writing the "recorded programs" screen from scratch – then I could see where it might not be worth it to review |
| [00:32:13] | wagnerrp: | patches like... #2923? |
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| [00:32:26] | sphery: | I may just take this and apply it |
| [00:32:27] | wagnerrp: | im not saying its /good/ to do that |
| [00:32:35] | sphery: | now that I've looked it over... |
| [00:32:41] | wagnerrp: | im just saying i see where theyre coming from |
| [00:32:46] | sphery: | yeah, I do too |
| [00:32:56] | wagnerrp: | but 9 months after stating that on a couple tickets, and no visible effort toward that goal... |
| [00:33:17] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: yea, I get it too... but it really takes the community out of it... |
| [00:33:18] | sphery: | the status of MythWeb is kind of, er, hazy, right now |
| [00:33:37] | wagnerrp: | skd5aner: yeah, i agree |
| [00:33:39] | sphery: | so many of the tickets are getting the "try again" answer from the Magic 8 Ball |
| [00:34:08] | sphery: | and I know that both of them are busy with other stuff, too, so ... |
| [00:34:15] | wagnerrp: | actually, one of the reason i closed two tickets earlier today, and was looking into a third |
| [00:34:21] | skd5aner: | I mean, I submit a patch like every 24 months... and almost all of them are trivally simple, but thye sit there for months... why should I even bother if the answer is "this might change eventually sometime in the future at an undisclosed point in time so we'll just sit on it and see what happens?" |
| [00:34:41] | wagnerrp: | its something i at least have some understanding of, and the tickets are starting to pile up |
| [00:34:43] | skd5aner: | I have a feeling I'm not the only one that gets a little discouraged by that |
| [00:35:36] | wagnerrp: | sphery: re 5671, wasnt there some guy working on re-doing the mythvideo stuff to properly support storage groups? |
| [00:36:41] | skd5aner: | I would challenge the project to look at that aspect of the culture and try to apply simple patches (that actually make sense to apply/are good patches) in relatively short order... give people an indication that their work doesn't come very last line of a 100 other things |
| [00:38:33] | sphery: | skd5aner: when you have 400 tickets, 300+ come after a line of 100 tickets :) |
| [00:38:35] | skd5aner: | sphery: I know that kormoc and xris have other things and mythweb isn't on their radar... and, that there really isn't any other primary devs responsible for mythweb... so I didn't expect this to be reviewed anytime soon after I had submitted it :) |
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| [00:39:17] | sphery: | wagnerrp: um, I will have to make mythvideo use storage groups more in line with how tv does for the recordedfile schema change--is that what you mean? |
| [00:39:31] | sphery: | or you meant mythweb mythvideo? |
| [00:39:40] | sphery: | and just providing initial support or something? |
| [00:39:57] | wagnerrp: | sphery: i mean.... do you recall someone saying they were going to work on rewriting mythweb/mythvideo to properly support all the new stuff |
| [00:40:28] | skd5aner: | but, the other example that wagnerrp posted (2923) is just one of those... I mean – I hear all the time about how devs say "if you want it, submit a patch" – but there are so many things that linger and get stale out there – I know that some just don't meet the standards for inclusing, but I would have to ask about how the others get prioritized? |
| [00:41:45] | skd5aner: | sphery: P.S., I think I made about 3–5 other kind of changes similiar to the one on 9713, but didn't submit them... I don't even remember what they all were at this point, but if you are eventually interested I might be willing to share them with you for review |
| [00:42:18] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: had you planned to do anything with 9939, or just leave it for kormoc? |
| [00:42:40] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: I had planned to commit it-- I've been running it since the day it was submitted |
| [00:42:43] | sphery: | wagnerrp: I do recall talk of that, but don't remember who/when |
| [00:42:45] | iamlindoro: | I'll commit it tonight |
| [00:42:58] | skd5aner: | lol "inclusing" ... s/inclusing/inclusion |
| [00:43:02] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: ok, i was considering applying it tonight |
| [00:43:08] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: I can take it |
| [00:43:09] | wagnerrp: | for that purpose |
| [00:45:30] | wagnerrp: | hmm... recorded programs rss isnt working |
| [00:45:55] | wagnerrp: | no, now it is |
| [00:46:20] | skd5aner: | sphery: missed your question above... re colspan 6 -->5... In order to do the rowspan=2, I took the space from the description |
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| [00:48:08] | skd5aner: | had to come from somewhere to make it look nice and consistant |
| [00:49:25] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: there, pushed |
| [00:49:59] | ** wagnerrp investigates new toys ** | |
| [00:50:11] | skd5aner: | does git have a "shove" command? |
| [00:50:18] | sphery: | skd5aner: yeah, I was confused because we have an extra column in master--so now it's 7->6 |
| [00:50:25] | skd5aner: | cause... when push comes to shove... |
| [00:50:27] | sphery: | figured it out, though |
| [00:51:00] | skd5aner: | ah – yea, sorry... patch was built at the time against fixes which I think aligned still with master – I think some of the metadata stuff that has happened since then probably mucked around wit hthe layout a bit |
| [00:51:41] | skd5aner: | sphery: if you need me to, I could try and submit a patch against master, although I'm not really setup to do that... |
| [00:53:06] | sphery: | thanks--I have it updated |
| [00:53:25] | sphery: | just had to get load up a page in -fixes and master and compare to see what was going on |
| [00:53:58] | sphery: | makes the channel icon pretty huge |
| [00:54:13] | skd5aner: | huh? It's supposed to not do that? |
| [00:54:26] | skd5aner: | actually, that's the whole intention of the patch :) |
| [00:54:30] | sphery: | no, like 70 pixels huge versus the previous 35is |
| [00:54:32] | sphery: | ish |
| [00:54:42] | skd5aner: | oh, in a "good" way? |
| [00:54:50] | sphery: | just seems weird to have them much larger than the preview images |
| [00:56:00] | sphery: | (since my previews are 16:9 and the icons are 4:3, the black bars on the previews make the preview seem small) |
| [00:56:09] | skd5aner: | Well, each recording "row" was basically that size, so the max it would be is 70... I think the box would actually be about 90x90 |
| [00:56:34] | sphery: | can you imagebin a screenshot of yours |
| [00:56:41] | skd5aner: | sure |
| [00:56:44] | sphery: | thx |
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| [01:00:34] | skd5aner: | sphery: http://imagebin.org/171814 |
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| [01:01:26] | sphery: | hehe |
| [01:01:42] | sphery: | so, I just needed to force refresh--it had old css |
| [01:01:46] | skd5aner: | sphery: let me also do another one... |
| [01:02:41] | sphery: | skd5aner: This is why I was worried: http://imagebin.org/171815 |
| [01:02:52] | sphery: | looks good once I forced a refresh of CSS |
| [01:02:56] | skd5aner: | lol – yea... |
| [01:02:59] | skd5aner: | heh |
| [01:03:06] | sphery: | I didn't think that could be what you wnated |
| [01:03:08] | skd5aner: | that would be for my grandparents |
| [01:03:12] | sphery: | hehe |
| [01:03:18] | sphery: | ok, I'm happier with it, now |
| [01:03:34] | skd5aner: | but, let me grab a particular screenshot without it – the reason I did it to begin with... |
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| [01:03:54] | sphery: | fix up the preview images to be centered (and not have black bars on them if they're 16:9), and I'l be really happy |
| [01:04:42] | skd5aner: | I can probably work on it |
| [01:05:09] | skd5aner: | I can definitely do the centering piece... the 16:9... eh.... |
| [01:06:43] | skd5aner: | well, nevermind... too much effort trying to revert back, clear cache, record something on E, etc |
| [01:06:50] | sphery: | hehe, yeah--it is technically centered, now, but the problem is that there's a black bar on bottom for 16:9 vids because it always requests a 4:3 preview image size |
| [01:06:51] | skd5aner: | you get the point though :) |
| [01:07:12] | sphery: | yeah, I get the point--and it makes a lot more sense now that I've got the cache refreshed |
| [01:09:24] | skd5aner: | yea – surprisingly enough, when I was testing this out – it took me forever to get it to load the new CSS for some reason |
| [01:09:37] | sphery: | yeah, that's the other problem with css |
| [01:09:47] | skd5aner: | it wouldn't clear the old css out of cache – I don't remember what I did to finally "fix" that |
| [01:10:23] | sphery: | but for all is faults (browsers doing it differently and being tough to get the browser to reload, sometims), it's much better than the alternative |
| [01:11:43] | skd5aner: | yup – alright... off for some family time, have a good weekend guys! |
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| [01:12:05] | skd5aner: | sphery, wagnerrp: thanks for taking a look at that stuff (mine included) |
| [01:14:48] | sphery: | skd5aner: use your gmail address for the commit? |
| [01:15:04] | skd5aner: | yea, please |
| [01:15:38] | sphery: | trying to find the correct arg for approved/reviewed/somethinged by |
| [01:16:14] | sphery: | signoff |
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| [01:21:18] | sphery: | skd5aner: you forgot to closes #9713... |
| [01:22:22] | wagnerrp: | sphery: as mentioned, it does nothing anyway |
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| [01:23:54] | sphery: | true, but would allow someone reading commits to know that :) |
| [01:24:46] | sphery: | oh, and of course, I'm joking when I blame you, skd5aner--since I'm the one who wrote the commit message and forgot it (but was fun to blame you since your name is on the commit) |
| [01:25:52] | sphery: | skd5aner: see, even the easy ones take time (granted, would probably have taken less time for kor moc to do it, but...) |
| [01:26:39] | sphery: | wagnerrp: fwiw, I got stuck on the populating schedule thing the same as you |
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| [01:45:54] | skd5aner: | sphery: yea... blame me all you want – as long as the commit made it ;) |
| [01:46:17] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: is the hook broken again? |
| [01:47:16] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp, sphery: also, when the commit log doesn't contain the hook, it doesn't contain the ticket number – and I typically will reference associated ticket # for bug fixes and patches in the changelogs (at least, I started doing that for 0.25) |
| [01:47:32] | skd5aner: | s/changelogs/release notes |
| [01:47:33] | wagnerrp: | skd5aner: the hook only works for the primary repo |
| [01:47:40] | wagnerrp: | mythweb is in its own independent repo |
| [01:47:45] | skd5aner: | ah... yea |
| [01:47:56] | skd5aner: | ok, didn't realize it wasn't able to be hooked up across repos |
| [01:48:03] | wagnerrp: | limitation of trac |
| [01:48:08] | wagnerrp: | only one repo allowed |
| [01:48:15] | skd5aner: | still, I agree with sphery – it's good for folks like me who have stopped following track and only follow -firehose |
| [01:48:56] | skd5aner: | Beirdo: never hooked up trac to -firehose -is that something you would be up for? I mean... it is the "firehose" |
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| [01:58:18] | sphery: | why did some github (off the lists, annoying, ...) messages just appear on my github account... I had 5 recent ones and 5 older ones just appeared behind them |
| [01:59:38] | sphery: | just more reason to try to actually convince people to keep the discussion on the list instead of in the github garden where we can't track it |
| [01:59:56] | sphery: | off of them took about a month to show up fo rme |
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| [04:05:10] | [R]: | i dont get it, Louie is on fx, but some of the words they say are crazy |
| [04:05:16] | [R]: | since when can you say this stuff on fx |
| [04:05:37] | wagnerrp: | since forever |
| [04:05:49] | iamlindoro: | Heh, just like Archer |
| [04:05:56] | iamlindoro: | next week, yay! |
| [04:06:37] | [R]: | but its INSANE |
| [04:09:49] | ** wagnerrp still cant get over the middle aged balding white guy with a van ** | |
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| [04:14:33] | wagnerrp: | can you really call this "transcoding"? http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/10020 |
| [04:15:01] | wagnerrp: | i mean, dont you need some form of compression before you can call it something other than decoding? |
| [04:15:36] | wagnerrp: | (this decodes to 16-bit PCM to send over UPNP) |
| [04:17:39] | wagnerrp: | sphery: do you think we should just officially say some features require you to set your local to UTF? |
| [04:17:49] | sphery: | works for me |
| [04:17:57] | wagnerrp: | im wondering if we can close this one "wont fix"... http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/9918 |
| [04:18:48] | sphery: | yeah, I think we should |
| [04:19:15] | sphery: | I really think if there's a problem, it's in Qt--I've seen some evidence of it, but didn't get to the bottom of it |
| [04:19:32] | sphery: | (so haven't actually created the patch for them) |
| [04:22:39] | skd5aner: | [R]: fx is cable... you can techinically say whatever you want on a cable network – ttbomk, they aren't obligated to follow FCC guidelines on profanity and indecency because it's a subscribtion based service and not broadcast OTA |
| [04:22:46] | wagnerrp: | he left |
| [04:22:47] | skd5aner: | oh, he's not here anymore |
| [04:28:02] | wagnerrp: | wow... 7GB off an ABC recording |
| [04:28:09] | wagnerrp: | i usually get closer to 6 |
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| [05:30:21] | Beirdo: | la la la... |
| [05:30:34] | ** Beirdo pokes the Windows build ** | |
| [05:30:42] | Beirdo: | it will work again soon enough |
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| [05:51:24] | ** wagnerrp cheers for not being on the blame list ** | |
| [05:54:24] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [05:54:34] | Beirdo: | we got past your error :) |
| [05:54:40] | Beirdo: | now it's sphery's again |
| [05:55:06] | Beirdo: | you had a close without unistd.h included :) Easy to fix |
| [05:55:22] | Beirdo: | this is the QtDBus fun chomping on our butts still |
| [05:57:07] | Beirdo: | ah frick. |
| [05:57:44] | wagnerrp: | cursing the excessive amount of Scrubs that has rubbed off language on you? |
| [05:57:48] | Beirdo: | I'm not waiting another whole hour for it to fail and restart |
| [05:57:51] | Beirdo: | heheeh |
| [05:58:58] | Beirdo: | let's just restart it now so it grabs what should be a fix. |
| [05:59:18] | Beirdo: | rather than continuing to build with no code changes, but fixed translations |
| [06:04:24] | wagnerrp: | what is that buildbot running on? |
| [06:04:27] | Beirdo: | OK, who messed up mythwidgets.h? :) |
| [06:05:08] | Beirdo: | it's on one core of a Core2Duo 2.66GHz, in a virtualbox VM |
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| [06:05:32] | wagnerrp: | is the build environment that inefficient? or is that due to overhead on the VM? |
| [06:05:49] | wagnerrp: | i mean even from scratch, single core, that chip should do a build in like 35 minutes |
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| [06:05:51] | Beirdo: | there's no ccache running |
| [06:06:34] | Beirdo: | which reminds me, I wanted to putz with that this weekend, see if I can't get a version of ccache that works |
| [06:07:20] | Beirdo: | it's a bit inefficient of course, but I don't know if it's terribly bad... mingw is slow, but not as slow as cygwin anyways |
| [06:10:40] | Beirdo: | sphery: you got cleanup to do! |
| [06:13:36] | Beirdo: | and I see a wagnerrp warning too :) |
| [06:13:49] | Beirdo: | mythcommandlineparser.cpp:55: warning: no previous declaration for âint GetTermWidth()â |
| [06:14:04] | Beirdo: | oh blast it. stupid UTF-8 paste |
| [06:14:32] | Beirdo: | I can clean it up if ya want, too |
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| [07:29:35] | Beirdo: | YAY |
| [07:29:45] | Beirdo: | Windows build worked |
| [07:32:55] | Beirdo: | I think I shall go to bed |
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| [07:58:00] | dekarl: | iamlindoro: wrt #9939, just fyi, looks like only 2631935 got pushed (php bindings updates) but all the template changes and new files didn't make it to github yet |
| [08:02:08] | dekarl: | meh, apport why don't you like me? "TypeError(Error('Incorrect padding',),)" trying to catch "mythbackend[4943]: segfault at 0 ip 00007f8c0ca1db08 sp 00007f8bdc2176a0 error 6 in libmythtv-0.24.so.0.24.0[7f8c0c8c9000+8e3000]" on v0.25pre-3302-g86d3537 |
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| [08:31:09] | FabriceMG: | wagnerrp, I have 1 problem with mythfilldatabase commande line |
| [08:31:19] | FabriceMG: | /usr/bin/mythfilldatabase --file --sourceid 1 --xmlfile /data/script/xmltv/grab_iphone/tvguide.xmltv |
| [08:32:21] | FabriceMG: | this command don't work since 3 days |
| [08:32:45] | FabriceMG: | error -> ERROR: --sourceid requires all of the following be defined as well |
| [08:32:45] | FabriceMG: | --file --dd-file --xawchannels |
| [08:34:51] | dekarl: | FabriceMG, why don't you let mythfilldatabase run the grabber itself? |
| [08:35:40] | FabriceMG: | no :) , I don't like that |
| [08:36:07] | FabriceMG: | I add some information in xmltv |
| [08:36:39] | dekarl: | "add information", like run tv_imdb over it? |
| [08:36:56] | dekarl: | or as in "you changed the code of the grabber"? |
| [08:37:04] | FabriceMG: | sample: i add Season XX Episode XX/XX , in first line of description |
| [08:37:55] | dekarl: | why? That's the job of your theme. |
| [08:38:45] | dekarl: | Oh, back to first question, do you do that with a filter or with changes to the grabber? Sounds like the filter approach |
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| [08:38:56] | FabriceMG: | after recorded, i launch 1 script for extract this line and I fill "season" / "episode" field in recorded tables |
| [08:39:44] | FabriceMG: | and my recordings is sorted in my frontend ! |
| [08:39:56] | FabriceMG: | I wait since 3 years !!!!! |
| [08:40:13] | dekarl: | Season/Episode on Recordings is only to be filled with values from thetvdb by the metdadatagrabbers... Are your Series missing there? |
| [08:40:28] | FabriceMG: | yes |
| [08:40:37] | FabriceMG: | french series |
| [08:41:42] | dekarl: | How many are that? It'd be preffered to add the series there (I know the site has it's share of issues. I have a hard time fixing the german stuff there) |
| [08:42:37] | dekarl: | hmm, do you have a good site for french series? Might be easiest to write a metadatagrabber for that as drop in replacement for ttvdb.py |
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| [08:43:46] | dekarl: | FabriceMG, the bug you mention should be fixed. I'm just trying to figure out what "the right thing" would be, so the setup will not be broken by updates, etc. |
| [08:44:44] | FabriceMG: | ok dekarl, thx |
| [08:45:26] | FabriceMG: | i have very good source for my xmltv (15 days) and all informations |
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| [08:46:55] | FabriceMG: | but ttvdb.py don't work at 100% |
| [08:49:33] | FabriceMG: | dekarl, where is the fix? |
| [08:49:34] | dekarl: | If you want to use the new metadata stuff the way it's been designed you'll need a good french source to replace thetvdb. (or add/fix everything on thetvdb / themoviedb) I decided to go the fix it route until there is a good metadatadatabase :) |
| [08:50:42] | dekarl: | FabriceMG: "should be fixed" as in it's a bug that needs attention, not "has already been done" but wagnerrp is quick with these fixes, should be in soon. |
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| [08:51:03] | FabriceMG: | ha ok , sorry |
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| [08:59:14] | dekarl: | wagnerrp: it looks like a logic error in SetRequiredChildOf. It makes the child require all potential parents instead of all potential parents requiring the child. |
| [08:59:54] | FabriceMG: | For you, I must fill tvdb.org. It's the good way? |
| [09:01:24] | dekarl: | FabriceMG: yes, filling thetvdb.org is the easy supported way to enter season/episode to recordings. The other supported, not so easy, way would be replacing the ttvdb.py grabber with a grabber for a site with good information on french series with a liberal license. |
| [09:03:59] | FabriceMG: | license-> Personal usage |
| [09:04:18] | FabriceMG: | grabbing iphone apps |
| [09:04:51] | dekarl: | personal usage, non-commercial should be ok... (the tv guide site or the series/movie metadata site?) |
| [09:09:22] | FabriceMG: | We have already asked Télérama for use in MythTV. Answer: it has to be private use |
| [09:17:18] | dekarl: | hmm, we should get the guide grabber into the main xmltv distribution then... Or the metadata grabber into mythtv... I think it's xmltv then ;) |
| [09:19:47] | iamlindoro: | dekarl: huh? https://github.com/MythTV/mythweb/commit/52bc . . . 05fdad80b445 |
| [09:22:13] | FabriceMG: | mythttv and lingosat for the mythtv service, Whatis the license? |
| [09:22:14] | iamlindoro: | ah, I see what you mean |
| [09:22:20] | iamlindoro: | I forgot to git add the new files |
| [09:24:32] | iamlindoro: | thanks |
| [09:25:04] | ** iamlindoro goes back to bed ** | |
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| [11:18:12] | Lunar_Lamp: | According to http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-11.html pressing M should bring up the EPG. |
| [11:18:29] | Lunar_Lamp: | However, it is bringing up a menu where I can alter video/audio settings etc. |
| [11:18:52] | Lunar_Lamp: | Is this because the documentation is out of date, or because I'm using mythbuntu and they've messed around with default keyborad shortcuts. |
| [11:18:56] | Lunar_Lamp: | ? |
| [11:32:08] | k-man: | Lunar_Lamp, I think it only brings up the epg while watching live tv (at least thats how I interpret that document) |
| [11:32:46] | Lunar_Lamp: | k-man: yeah, this was during live tv playback (sorry, I wasn't clear) |
| [11:33:35] | k-man: | check here maybe? http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Keybindings |
| [11:33:56] | k-man: | try S instead |
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| [11:35:11] | dekarl: | k-man, your link says "M brings up the menu. While in LiveTV the first item is the EPG..., too :) |
| [11:42:32] | k-man: | dekarl, I think S might take you directly to the epg |
| [11:42:44] | k-man: | I'm not in front of my mythbox right not to be able to test it |
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| [11:55:43] | dekarl: | sphery, tgm4883: should the mythtv hooks for apport be extended with the split out logfiles? |
| [11:56:08] | dekarl: | currently it bundles the frontend and backend logfiles, nothing more |
| [12:05:33] | Lunar_Lamp: | A few years ago when I was using mythtv, there was a dodgy script (apparently) called mythrename.pl to give recordings the name of the show. Is this still the expected way to get this functionality, or should I be doing something different?:-) |
| [12:08:01] | dekarl: | Lunar_Lamp: what are you trying to do? Make recordings visible to external players with "human friendly" names? There was a script that made nice symlinks for that purpose in KnoppMyth IIRC. |
| [12:08:47] | Lunar_Lamp: | dekarl: that's what I'm trying to do, yes :-) |
| [12:09:05] | Lunar_Lamp: | mythrename.pl is the one I remember, but I also remember that it could cause issues. |
| [12:09:27] | Lunar_Lamp: | Seems to have been replaced by mythlink.pl |
| [12:09:31] | k-man: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Mythrename.pl |
| [12:09:44] | dekarl: | hmm, aunt google hints at http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Mythlink.pl being what I remember |
| [12:09:46] | k-man: | Lunar_Lamp, you need to start checking out the wiki more :) |
| [12:10:13] | k-man: | dekarl, yes, the mythrename page on the wiki links to mythlink |
| [12:10:23] | dekarl: | [23474] |
| [12:10:24] | MythLogBot: | SVN 23474: (branch master) https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/946f0397 |
| [12:10:41] | dekarl: | k-man, you snipered me ;) |
| [12:12:14] | k-man: | :) |
| [12:13:27] | Lunar_Lamp: | If I have the same channel (e.g. bbc1) as HD and SD on two different tuner cards, it it possible to instruct mythtv that when recording, it should always prefer to record the HD channel? |
| [12:14:08] | Lunar_Lamp: | (I can't see anything in the wiki, but I might be searching for the wrong terms) |
| [12:14:32] | k-man: | so HD comes in on one tuner card and sd on a different card? |
| [12:15:06] | dekarl: | yes, give it a higher priority... If you have a nice listing that flags HD shows you might want to give the HD channel -1 and the HD programme flag +2 to get HD only if it's worth it (to preserve space/tuners/be more compatible to old frontends) |
| [12:15:48] | dekarl: | I'm assuming that you only use "record all" and "record one". If you are using "this channel only" you must give them the same callsign |
| [12:16:17] | Lunar_Lamp: | k-man: well, my freeview card does SD (no HD over freeview), but I'm planning on buying an S2 card, which means some shows will be availble in HD. |
| [12:16:43] | Lunar_Lamp: | My *ideal* situation is that I just search for a program, tell it to record, and myth checks behind the scenes to verify if I can get it as HD or not. |
| [12:16:53] | k-man: | Lunar_Lamp, I think dekarl's method is the way to go |
| [12:17:02] | Lunar_Lamp: | Yes, it sounds sensible. |
| [12:17:33] | dekarl: | Lunar_Lamp, as you will be using uk_rt for both, your Freeview and Freesat video sources you'll get guide data that allows you to just do as I suggested |
| [12:18:37] | dekarl: | I can't promise it would work with EIT data as I don't know how the UK channels handle it. You can't use the data over here, as it will be different in style sometimes for the same channel via different feeds :( |
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| [12:34:28] | StevenR: | hrrm. I need to remove all of my channels :( |
| [12:35:13] | StevenR: | (I've had to re-tune due to *Digital SWitchover* (yes, there was a small irritating robot), so I now have 3 copies of everything) |
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| [13:53:26] | wagnerrp: | dekarl: actually, we told him the easiest option was probably to add the content to thetvdb |
| [13:54:17] | dekarl: | wagnerrp, talking about french series? |
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| [14:02:09] | dekarl: | wagnerrp: I agree. But in the end everything ends up "there should be tvbrainz to link all that metadata together", as adding a second series/movie grabber would break the tricks of merging multiple key spaces into the inetref by having episode/season set to NULL/non-NULL... That's why I ended up suggesting that filling both supperted DBs was "the easy way", too... |
| [14:11:00] | wagnerrp: | yeah, commenting as i was reading, i hadnt gotten to that part yet |
| [14:11:43] | wagnerrp: | had to poke holes in my logic too... :) |
| [14:11:53] | wagnerrp: | and thats not a completely trivial fix |
| [14:12:08] | wagnerrp: | since i dont have access to the other one at that point to make it required |
| [14:12:18] | wagnerrp: | had to add another storage list to reconcile against later |
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| [14:35:27] | FabriceMG: | wagnerrp, did you have see my error with mytfilldatabase command line? |
| [14:36:27] | dekarl: | FabriceMG: he did, but "thats not a completely trivial fix" |
| [14:40:36] | FabriceMG: | about the error in command line mythfilldatase or fill xmltv in thedbtv.com? |
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| [14:43:10] | wagnerrp: | about the mythfilldatabase error |
| [14:43:15] | wagnerrp: | a fix has already been pushed |
| [14:43:42] | FabriceMG: | ha ok, thx wagnerrp |
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| [15:11:45] | FabriceMG: | I have not explored the metedata in version 0.25. Who collects the data, Jamus, Thedbtv? |
| [15:12:18] | wagnerrp: | jamu is deprecated, it no longer exists in 0.25 |
| [15:12:36] | wagnerrp: | mythmetadatalookup grabs metadata, based off the selected metadata scripts |
| [15:12:50] | wagnerrp: | currently, there are only scripts written for thetvdb and themoviedb |
| [15:19:03] | FabriceMG: | it's disable by default, I enable this feature |
| [15:31:44] | FabriceMG: | This option, it's for local frontend ou all frontend? |
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| [15:58:25] | FabriceMG: | thetvdb.com work 2 hours / day ? :) |
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| [16:36:32] | StevenR: | hmmm. A few channels seem to have no listings data. I'm using the UK_RT (radio times) grabber to get listings data. |
| [16:36:51] | StevenR: | the radio times site does show listings for those though |
| [16:41:03] | StevenR: | is there a better source of listings data I could use? |
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| [17:19:02] | dekarl: | StevenR: it's unlikely you'll find a better source for mythtv in the uk. |
| [17:21:29] | StevenR: | dekarl: yeah. I've found that the grabber was only configured for certain channels... all I need to do now is somehow link the channel data with the channel in mythv |
| [17:21:33] | StevenR: | *mythtv |
| [17:25:00] | StevenR: | ah hah! |
| [17:26:46] | dekarl: | you could add the xmltvid to the channels in mythweb, turning off EIT usage for them while at it. (it's either EIT or XMLTV per channel) |
| [17:27:05] | dekarl: | that's how I do it. |
| [17:29:45] | StevenR: | yeah. all it needed was the xmltvid, becuase the channel is Foo, but the xmltvid is Foo[Freeview] |
| [17:30:20] | StevenR: | I don't use EIT... though I do wish it could be more realtime – like if something overruns |
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| [18:07:10] | StevenR: | hmmm.... is there a way to transcode all episodes of a programme? I can modify the schedule to make it record new episodes in "low quality", but I'd like to batch transcode all the ones I've already recorded |
| [18:13:32] | StevenR: | (I'd like to make alot of my programmes take up less space on disk) |
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| [18:23:12] | J-e-f-f-A: | StevenR: It's easier (and cheaper) to buy more disk(s). ;-) |
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| [18:45:10] | StevenR: | J-e-f-f-A: not at this time it's not |
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| [19:10:53] | J-e-f-f-A: | StevenR: Why is that? A 1TB drive in the US can be bought for under $50, 2TB for less than $70 |
| [19:14:28] | J-e-f-f-A: | StevenR: I found this with a quick google — don't know if it'll work for you, but it's something to try... http://eternalvoid.net/tutorials/mythtv-autotranscode/ |
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| [19:23:39] | Hydr0p0nX: | I keep getting a message saying "Video frame buffering failed too many times" when trying to watch recordings, i've tried updating to the latest release in the repos, anyone have any ideas? |
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| [19:28:11] | J-e-f-f-A: | Hydr0p0nX: Could be many things – but the primary reasons I can think of are 1) either your system isn't fast enough to decode in software, or 2) you've got the wrong video driver loaded for your card. |
| [19:28:34] | wagnerrp: | StevenR: what hes saying is that you either pay up in hard drive space now |
| [19:28:47] | wagnerrp: | or pay it in electricity, and your personal free time, later |
| [19:28:53] | Hydr0p0nX: | I'll check the driver, thanks |
| [19:29:06] | kugel_: | hi, all -- |
| [19:29:16] | wagnerrp: | you transcode to support playback on devices with limited hardware or limited storage |
| [19:29:21] | wagnerrp: | not to space space on your backend |
| [19:29:48] | wagnerrp: | and when i say 'limited storage', i mean things like phones, portable media players, and laptops |
| [19:30:12] | kugel_: | I'm having a HTMI sound problem, and I don't know if I don't have the setup right, or whether I have a hardware problem. |
| [19:30:14] | wagnerrp: | your backend effectively has unlimited usable storage |
| [19:30:20] | wagnerrp: | HDMI? |
| [19:30:37] | wagnerrp: | what graphics card do you have? |
| [19:30:50] | kugel_: | It was annoying enough to get the HDMI sound in the first place |
| [19:31:02] | kugel_: | ASUS/nvidia GT430 |
| [19:31:50] | kugel_: | and so far I need to redo the settings whenever I boot (so I don't know how to get |
| [19:31:55] | kugel_: | the default changed) |
| [19:32:37] | kugel_: | The problem I'm having is that there's a kind of "ringing" buzz on all sounds produced |
| [19:32:57] | wagnerrp: | do you have pulseaudio installed? |
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| [19:33:19] | kugel_: | maybe a bit similar to the sound produced by humming through wax paper over a comb |
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| [19:33:54] | kugel_: | Yes on pulseaudio, although I think I needed the alsa setup program to turn on the sound |
| [19:34:06] | wagnerrp: | if you are using HDMI audio, you want to uninstall pulseaudio |
| [19:34:30] | kugel_: | Oh...... I can try that |
| [19:34:45] | kugel_: | What kind of problems would the pulseaudio be causing? |
| [19:35:03] | EvilGuru: | kugel_: Anything to do with audio can be blamed on pulse |
| [19:35:05] | wagnerrp: | first off, pulseaudio doesnt do hardware |
| [19:35:13] | wagnerrp: | it needs ALSA to provide hardware access |
| [19:35:21] | EvilGuru: | But at the least it can not really do passthrough |
| [19:35:23] | wagnerrp: | it functions as an intermediate layer, and an unnecessary one at that |
| [19:35:36] | wagnerrp: | second, as evilguru says, it cannot do passthrough audio |
| [19:35:48] | wagnerrp: | everything must be decompressed and mixed |
| [19:36:10] | wagnerrp: | and unless you have very new gear, it must be recompressed if you want anything other than stereo |
| [19:36:26] | EvilGuru: | If you are only interested in mythfrontend then you really just want myth to speak to alsa |
| [19:36:26] | wagnerrp: | third, as far as I know, the pulseaudio output in mythtv is stereo only anyway |
| [19:37:08] | wagnerrp: | and if you really truely have need for a sound server (which you very likely dont) |
| [19:37:08] | kugel_: | OK, that seems reason enough to uninstall it. |
| [19:37:20] | wagnerrp: | JACK is much better designed to handle low latency multimedia content |
| [19:37:39] | kugel_: | Everything is directed to the AV amp to handle the sound. |
| [19:38:54] | kugel_: | OK, so I just uninstall pulseaudio, and the rest of the audio chain will know how to work without it? |
| [19:38:54] | EvilGuru: | kugel_: Just make sure that alsa never gets a chance to resample anything |
| [19:39:13] | EvilGuru: | kugel_: myth at least will be happier without it, and nearly everything supports alsa |
| [19:39:23] | wagnerrp: | mythtv will, you may have to reconfigure other stuff |
| [19:39:28] | kugel_: | EvilGuru: I'm novice-y; how do I do that? |
| [19:39:42] | wagnerrp: | if youre very unlucky, your distro's provided packages will have standard alsa support compiled out of them |
| [19:40:00] | EvilGuru: | kugel_: myth normally handles resampling itself, IIRC, so it is only other apps you need to worry about |
| [19:40:27] | EvilGuru: | it is quite likely that a lot of your existing apps acces audio through virtual alsa device => pulse => alsa => hardware |
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| [19:42:10] | kugel_: | wagnerrp: I still have _major_problems_ getting MythTV working correctly, but getting the sound up is one more step towards that. |
| [19:43:07] | kugel_: | So getting rid of pulseaudio is good; you guys think there's a good chance that was causing the "buzzing"? (I was getting it even on systems sounds) |
| [19:43:27] | EvilGuru: | kugel_: What kind of buzzing? |
| [19:43:36] | StevenR: | wagnerrp: J-e-f-f-A: I don't have time to sort out hard drive space for a few weeks due to other commitments, or time to prune the used space, so I'd like some series to use less space on the backend until that point. |
| [19:44:00] | wagnerrp: | the buzzing likely means youre sending compressed audio to a receiver that is expecting PCM |
| [19:44:08] | EvilGuru: | If it is 50–60Hz buzzing then it is probably a ground loop |
| [19:44:19] | wagnerrp: | StevenR: so mark the commercials, and do a "lossless transcode" |
| [19:44:21] | EvilGuru: | wagnerrp: Isn't that more white noise than buzzing? |
| [19:44:25] | wagnerrp: | where all you do is apply the cutlist |
| [19:44:34] | wagnerrp: | EvilGuru: oddly no |
| [19:44:46] | wagnerrp: | or at least, i previously had that problem, and resolved it by disabling passthrough |
| [19:45:02] | wagnerrp: | it was passthrough to a TV with cheesy 10W speakers, so not much of a loss |
| [19:45:22] | wagnerrp: | thats assuming all of the sound is that funky buzzing |
| [19:45:30] | StevenR: | wagnerrp: like this you mean? http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Mythtranscode |
| [19:45:32] | wagnerrp: | and you dont hear buzzing on top of the correct sound |
| [19:45:47] | wagnerrp: | StevenR: i mean there is a mode in mythtranscode where it doesnt actually transcode |
| [19:45:55] | kugel_: | EvilGuru: the waxpaper/comb thing I described before. I think the distortion has some kind of center frequency. Note that other devices going to the AV amp have no such distortion. |
| [19:46:10] | wagnerrp: | it just clips out the bits marked as commercials, cleans up the frames leading up to the next cutframe, and rewrites the timecodes |
| [19:46:15] | wagnerrp: | it doesnt recompress anything |
| [19:46:37] | wagnerrp: | for MPEG2 recordings, youre looking at a 30%-35% drop in file size |
| [19:46:39] | StevenR: | wagnerrp: can I just transcode the current file to a smaller one? (I can accept some loss in quality for these shows) |
| [19:46:51] | wagnerrp: | with no loss in quality, and a whole 5 minutes spent doing it |
| [19:46:53] | EvilGuru: | kugel_: For your audio problems: remove pulse, then get to work with aplay and a test file |
| [19:47:05] | StevenR: | wagnerrp: these are shows with no commercials. |
| [19:47:06] | kugel_: | I'm calling it a buzz, but it's like a funny distortion maybe centered around some frequency. Maybe if the .... |
| [19:47:44] | kugel_: | EvilGuru: I'll try that. |
| [19:47:48] | EvilGuru: | ffmpeg will turn any audio file of your choosing into a wav which aplay can handle |
| [19:48:00] | EvilGuru: | aplay -L will show you all of the available audio devices, there may be quite a few |
| [19:48:53] | kugel_: | I have the Intel HDMI, the nVidia HDMI, and some other misc. devices. |
| [19:49:18] | EvilGuru: | it is the nvidia ones you want to play with |
| [19:51:34] | kugel_: | EvilGuru: that's what I've been figureing. I'm not sure which of the nVidia HDMI devices handles the sound. But since I'm getting the distortions with even systems sounds, I can probably do a simple test pretty quickly. |
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| [19:52:36] | EvilGuru: | At least for me there are a load of devices, but one of them does give me audio over my TV |
| [19:53:08] | EvilGuru: | sorry I can not be more useful — I normally use S/PDIF directly to my decoder as opposed to HDMI |
| [19:55:28] | dekarl: | StevenR: even without commercials you might still just cut away the pre- and postroll and reap the benefits of compacter Program Stream compared to original Transport Stream. |
| [19:56:12] | ** kugel_ disconnects the labtop to go upstairs to where the HTPC is ** | |
| [20:06:23] | StevenR: | dekarl: yeah, I'm gonna give that a try and see if it works.... jsut waiting for one to flag |
| [20:10:39] | wagnerrp: | one way or another, youre going to have to go into edit mode and confirm the cut list |
| [20:11:02] | wagnerrp: | if you dont have the commercial flagging done already, its quicker just to skip it, and set everything up manually |
| [20:31:37] | sphery: | agreed (and, often, even if you already have the commercial detection done, it's quicker just to ignore it and set everything up manually) |
| [20:32:57] | sphery: | I never trust the detection enough that I don't look through the commercial and non-commercial parts, anyway, jumping a minute at a time to see if things look right, so really importing the flag list only makes me have to adjust what's there (which is always slower than just adding new) |
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| [20:54:36] | EvilGuru: | sphery: For some channels, well broadcasters, the detection is basically perfect, for others it is not so good |
| [20:57:32] | sphery: | yes, but a) if you're taking the time to edit the recording so you can archive it, why not make sure it's completely perfect, and b) even with perfect cuts, you generally need to move them a bit to put the cuts at the "inside-the-commercial-break-most" blank frame or whatever to make sure it doesn't clip a half-second of audio or whatever and c) it's a /lot/ easier to make new cuts than to move existing |
| [20:58:50] | sphery: | (and, fwiw, after some changes I have in the works, it will actually be just plain harder to import the flag list as a cut list) |
| [20:59:09] | sphery: | i.e. you'll be able to skip to flag list markers without importing them |
| [20:59:21] | sphery: | (and it will show you them and the cut list) |
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| [21:28:34] | J-e-f-f-A: | The new Star Wars is in 6.1 Surround? Gee, I though 5.1 was old and 7.1 was new, where did 6.1 come from? |
| [21:28:58] | J-e-f-f-A: | (ie: BlueRay/DVD release) |
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| [21:34:37] | sphery: | I think it came from Alderaan. Might not have much of a future, though. |
| [21:35:01] | J-e-f-f-A: | See: http://jartz.gotdns.com:8008/files/mythtv/Sta . . . Surround.jpg |
| [21:36:02] | J-e-f-f-A: | Hehehe... I just happened to be watching a program that hadn't completed commercial flagging yet... ;-) (Or I never would have seen that!) |
| [21:38:00] | StevenR: | hmm. can't go to specific free DVB channels. "Error: Channel change failed" |
| [21:38:54] | StevenR: | both tuners seem to have this issue |
| [21:40:29] | J-e-f-f-A: | Re 6.1 Audio – I guess it's DTS-HD Master Audio 6.1 – what it was originally mastered in apparently... |
| [21:47:15] | J-e-f-f-A: | ah... Q: "How can the original Star Wars trilogy Blu-ray be in 6.1 audio if the films were made before that standard existed?" A: "The Original Star Wars Trilogy (starting in 1977) were all mixed in 6-track Dolby Stereo. The Blu-Ray releases of these movies will have a new audio mix taken from the original audio recordings. Although the original theatre mixes did not have a dedicated subwoofer (.1) track, it is easy to create one for a |
| [21:47:15] | J-e-f-f-A: | Blu-Ray mix by splitting the frequencies and sending the lowest ones to the sub." |
| [21:48:49] | StevenR: | in myth setup, how should I configure my channels? I have two tuners, both connected to the same aerial (freeview/DVB-T). I'd like to only have "one" of each channel, so I can choose BBC1 and it not matter which tuner I'm using. (I don't want my channel list to contain two BBC1s). What's the right way to do this? |
| [21:49:06] | StevenR: | Do I need to scan for channels with both tuners? How do I then combine them? |
| [21:49:37] | J-e-f-f-A: | StevenR: Not if they're the same source. |
| [21:49:51] | StevenR: | This was working, until they did some switchover work this week when I was away, so I came back to find no channels |
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| [21:51:30] | J-e-f-f-A: | Ah, so things moved around – well, I *think* you'll have to delete the channels and re-scan – but I don't have DVB, so it'd be best to wait for someone else to chime in. ;-) |
| [21:51:39] | StevenR: | J-e-f-f-A: ok.. but I can't tune to some channels |
| [21:51:54] | StevenR: | J-e-f-f-A: yes, I deleted all the channels and re-scanned, and it worked |
| [21:52:01] | StevenR: | well. I could get TV |
| [21:52:10] | J-e-f-f-A: | StevenR: Right – but if they moved channels, then that would happen... |
| [21:52:11] | StevenR: | I don't seem to be able to use both tuners yet |
| [21:52:28] | J-e-f-f-A: | Because the channel frequency tables are only populated on a scan. |
| [21:52:38] | StevenR: | J-e-f-f-A: I can't tune to some channels *since i re tuned* |
| [21:52:48] | StevenR: | they're new channels |
| [21:52:50] | J-e-f-f-A: | Are both tuners assigned to the same source? |
| [21:53:47] | StevenR: | yes |
| [21:54:22] | J-e-f-f-A: | You said you can't use both tuners – how did you test? |
| [21:55:59] | StevenR: | I set two recordings on different MUXes |
| [21:56:25] | J-e-f-f-A: | So you've got 2 cards (Capture Cards) defined, 1 Source defined, and both cards' Inputs are connected to the one Source, right? |
| [21:56:26] | StevenR: | it said it was recording, but it could have been on one of those broken channels |
| [21:57:04] | StevenR: | yes. just going to test again to get more specific detail |
| [21:57:17] | J-e-f-f-A: | And they both connect to the same antenna, right? |
| [21:58:42] | J-e-f-f-A: | You can test with "LiveTV", or as I like to call it "Tuner Test Mode". Go into Live TV ("Watch TV"), then switch sources by pressing Menu (M), then select "Source ->" "Switch Input ->" and pick your 2nd tuner. |
| [21:59:16] | J-e-f-f-A: | (That's the ONLY thiing I use LiveTV for! ;-) ) |
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| [22:02:42] | bobgill: | What is either cli/gtk chat app I can use for google account? (just contacts in Gmail to chat with for example, I don't use any other chat accounts) |
| [22:02:45] | Korny1: | Is there a setting that if I select in the guide a program that is being recorded that it will start from the beginning of the recording? |
| [22:03:00] | Korny1: | vs having to goto the recording screen |
| [22:03:07] | bobgill: | oh crap wrong channel |
| [22:03:09] | bobgill: | sorry |
| [22:03:27] | bobgill: | dang irssi shortcuts |
| [22:03:58] | StevenR: | J-e-f-f-A: ok. now it works. *sigh*. Re-scanned, and I can access the channel I couldn't before. hmmph. |
| [22:04:18] | StevenR: | just gotta wait for mythfilldb to finish, and I can check I have listings for everything |
| [22:04:33] | StevenR: | J-e-f-f-A: thanks for confirming it's set up right :) |
| [22:04:35] | J-e-f-f-A: | StevenR: That just means they moved channels around to different mux's... re-scanning fixed the channel mapping. |
| [22:04:56] | J-e-f-f-A: | StevenR: NP. ;-) |
| [22:04:57] | StevenR: | J-e-f-f-A: no. no. no. I re-scanned earlier in the day. |
| [22:05:18] | StevenR: | the switchover happened earlier in the week |
| [22:06:28] | J-e-f-f-A: | Well, I guess you missed a step when you did the re-scan the 1st time. Maybe you forgot to delete all channels 1st? Glad you're back in business now. ;-) |
| [22:06:34] | StevenR: | J-e-f-f-A: this particular channel is entirely new since the switchover. I couldn't get it before. So I scanned post switchover and it showed up, but I couldn't switch to it |
| [22:07:22] | ** StevenR wonders if adding the mapping for xmltv could break it ** | |
| [22:07:57] | StevenR: | but still, yay :) (and thanks again :) ) |
| [22:21:05] | Korny1: | Anyone have an answer for my question or should I take that as a no >:) |
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| [23:17:39] | wagnerrp: | gah! |
| [23:17:51] | wagnerrp: | anyone recall who is cowbutt on the wiki? |
| [23:20:32] | sphery: | guess whut? |
| [23:20:38] | sphery: | (I actually don't know) |
| [23:20:59] | wagnerrp: | well hes telling people "bad things" tm |
| [23:21:24] | sphery: | not recently... |
| [23:21:31] | sphery: | got 3 matches on pages |
| [23:21:48] | sphery: | ah, I'm guessing the "just replace the installed mythcommflag binary" |
| [23:22:06] | wagnerrp: | yeah, im fixing that currently |
| [23:22:17] | sphery: | I say let the people running the mp3 silence detection hack run it wrong and break it on every upgrade |
| [23:22:32] | sphery: | then maybe someone will get motivated to put that in mythtv instead of in an external script |
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| [23:28:34] | wagnerrp: | id rather people hack things properly, than do it completely wrong |
| [23:28:45] | wagnerrp: | although i would love to see silence detection in mythcommflag proper |
| [23:29:14] | wagnerrp: | i would also love to see people stop hitting the database with the 'mysql' application |
| [23:30:19] | sphery: | yeah, really, they should just use the bash and redirect to the network |
| [23:30:31] | sphery: | like the irc script |
| [23:31:50] | sphery: | (joke--they /should/ make that script use python for the db access... but where's the fun in using the right tool for the job) |
| [23:39:31] | wagnerrp: | or perl, or php, or any of the dozens of languages that have mysql bindings |
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| [23:40:34] | wagnerrp: | people think "im not a programmer", so they use bash because "its just a scripting language, not a hardcore programming language" |
| [23:41:00] | wagnerrp: | which is fine for basic stuff, using some loops, or some basic conditionals |
| [23:42:04] | wagnerrp: | but they continue growing their utility to ridiculous proportions, maintaining the belief that its somehow easier because its just bash |
| [23:45:05] | sphery: | yeah |
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