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| [00:23:20] | iamlindoro: | !seen Speedy2 |
| [00:23:21] | MythLogBot: | Speedy2 was last seen 559 days 16 hours 46 minutes 31 seconds ago |
| [00:24:22] | k-man: | morning all |
| [00:26:32] | wagnerrp: | speedy? |
| [00:26:56] | iamlindoro: | Someone who turned up in the hdhr channel asking a fishy question, and the name sounded familiar |
| [00:27:09] | iamlindoro: | was just confirming I had seen the name |
| [00:28:35] | iamlindoro: | Specifically, the "I am in the US but need to directly access the hardware to shunt in a Transport Stream I got from DVB-S2" |
| [00:29:10] | iamlindoro: | which pretty much sounds like getting content that's not exactly on the up-and-up, given the 0 providers of digitally capturable DVB-S2 programming in the US |
| [00:29:50] | wagnerrp: | even were he doing such, why would he need to 'shunt in a transport stream' |
| [00:30:10] | wagnerrp: | i cant think of any scenario in which you would want to feed data to the HDHR |
| [00:30:11] | iamlindoro: | If I had to guess, it is someone who has an R5000 mod who wants to turn it into a network tuner by taping on an HDHR |
| [00:30:36] | iamlindoro: | since that mod would output a raw TS |
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| [00:31:08] | wagnerrp: | what forum/thread? |
| [00:31:18] | iamlindoro: | IRC |
| [00:31:33] | wagnerrp: | oh, not the forum |
| [00:31:36] | wagnerrp: | i misread |
| [00:35:11] | k-man: | i've been trying to revamp the osx-package script to build mythtv from master |
| [00:35:19] | k-man: | qt is proving challenging to build |
| [00:35:33] | iamlindoro: | the osx build script already builds master |
| [00:35:40] | k-man: | iamlindoro, it does? |
| [00:35:43] | iamlindoro: | yes |
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| [00:36:27] | k-man: | iamlindoro, hmm... I had all sorts of problems with it compiling qt as it seems to pull down an old version of qt |
| [00:36:36] | iamlindoro: | Define old |
| [00:36:44] | iamlindoro: | the build script builds 4.6.3 |
| [00:36:45] | wagnerrp: | you mean like he wants to record off an HDHR using his r5000? |
| [00:36:56] | iamlindoro: | which is not the latest, but is still a supported and modern version |
| [00:36:58] | k-man: | iamlindoro, yes, that is old |
| [00:37:02] | iamlindoro: | no, it is not |
| [00:37:14] | k-man: | iamlindoro, ok |
| [00:37:14] | iamlindoro: | not being latest does not make it old |
| [00:37:37] | k-man: | when did you last test building on osx? |
| [00:37:53] | iamlindoro: | I build every few days |
| [00:38:02] | iamlindoro: | on OSX and Linux |
| [00:38:06] | iamlindoro: | including yesterday |
| [00:38:33] | k-man: | iamlindoro, which version of osx? |
| [00:38:45] | k-man: | and which version of xcode? |
| [00:39:05] | iamlindoro: | 10.7 and 10.8, 3.2 and 4 |
| [00:39:19] | iamlindoro: | er 10.6 and 10.7 |
| [00:39:28] | k-man: | interesting – I will revisit and see if I have the same success that you have |
| [00:40:06] | k-man: | iamlindoro, you don't happen to make the packages available do you? |
| [00:40:30] | iamlindoro: | no. There are numerous legal complicationes with doing so |
| [00:40:39] | iamlindoro: | which is the reason that we as a project don't |
| [00:40:46] | iamlindoro: | provide any binaries, that is |
| [00:40:49] | k-man: | is there? oh that is frustrating, oh well |
| [00:41:35] | iamlindoro: | Yes. We can distribute source and be more or less protected from patent and licensing suits-- we become a serious target were we to distribute binaries |
| [00:42:08] | k-man: | well, I hacked the script to fetch qt from gitorious instead of the .tar.gz from nokia |
| [00:42:18] | k-man: | which seemed like a good idea at the time |
| [00:42:47] | k-man: | but I don't know why qt giving me grief compiling |
| [00:42:51] | iamlindoro: | As in, you're building against Qt master? |
| [00:43:05] | k-man: | iamlindoro, qt 4.7 branch from git |
| [00:43:37] | iamlindoro: | I would not go changing the version of Qt used in the script, personally, but I can also tell you that Myth compiles fine on OS X against 4.7 |
| [00:43:40] | k-man: | not the 4.7-stable branch |
| [00:44:05] | k-man: | iamlindoro, thanks for the info, I'll try the script again from scratch and see how I go |
| [00:44:13] | iamlindoro: | good luck |
| [00:44:34] | k-man: | in amongst all this, compiling qt highlighted some bad ram I had in my mbp, which could well have been part of the problem I was having before |
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| [00:51:46] | k-man: | in the build script, there is a part where it tests to see if we are building in a 64 bit capable machine, then disables 64 bit. any idea why that is? see https://github.com/MythTV/packaging/blob/mast . . . ager.pl#L608 |
| [00:52:59] | iamlindoro: | Building in 64 bit mode can cause problems with Myth on some older versions of Mac OS X |
| [00:53:13] | iamlindoro: | the build script builds a version which would work on all of them |
| [00:53:50] | iamlindoro: | You can feel free to comment out that code, as in most modern cases it works fine |
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| [00:54:44] | styelz: | anyone have a clue why my tuner would work fine, then slowly go out of tune, until i restart mythbackend, then its all 100% signal again.. |
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| [00:55:12] | iamlindoro: | bad driver or bad hardware |
| [00:55:13] | k-man: | iamlindoro, thanks |
| [00:55:23] | iamlindoro: | np |
| [00:55:24] | styelz: | its a HDhomerun |
| [00:55:40] | hoolio: | try updating it's firmware |
| [00:55:44] | styelz: | just did |
| [00:55:53] | iamlindoro: | then the latter is a lot more likely |
| [00:56:14] | styelz: | poop |
| [00:56:32] | styelz: | thanks |
| [00:56:33] | hoolio: | i'd try some other software with the HDHR |
| [00:56:36] | hoolio: | see if you get the same issue |
| [00:56:59] | hoolio: | also make sure you're running a new version of myth |
| [00:57:19] | styelz: | will do. im running ppa i thinkk |
| [00:57:20] | hoolio: | afaik HDHR driver support is rolled into myth or something |
| [00:57:25] | k-man: | styelz, is this a dvb-t receiver or analogue? |
| [00:57:26] | wagnerrp: | correct |
| [00:57:34] | wagnerrp: | k-man: hdhomerun |
| [00:57:53] | k-man: | wagnerrp, but there is digital and analogue versions no? |
| [00:58:01] | wagnerrp: | no |
| [00:58:36] | k-man: | oh, I thought ATSC was analogue |
| [00:58:38] | k-man: | sorry for confusion |
| [00:58:40] | wagnerrp: | no |
| [00:58:50] | styelz: | k-man: dvb-t |
| [00:59:38] | k-man: | styelz, how do you mean that it goes out of tune? what happens? |
| [01:00:03] | styelz: | the signal slowly gets worse, then i cant get some channels at all, until i restart the backend |
| [01:00:24] | k-man: | styelz, strange – but no need to restart the hdhr to solve it? |
| [01:00:38] | hoolio: | "until i restart the backend" would seem to absolve the HDHR of a hardware issue |
| [01:00:40] | hoolio: | i'd have thought |
| [01:00:45] | styelz: | no, havent restarted the hdhr |
| [01:01:01] | hoolio: | but you did recently upgrade the firmware |
| [01:01:19] | iamlindoro: | It doesn't necessarily absolve the HDHR-- and anyway, we just use the HDHR API's to tune it, there's no way for tuning to "slip" and have it be myth code |
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| [01:01:42] | k-man: | hoolio, yes, I just wanted to be sure he had not restarted the hdhr |
| [01:01:54] | hoolio: | yep, coolo |
| [01:02:28] | iamlindoro: | When it comes to digital tuning, tuner drift can pretty much *only* be hardware |
| [01:02:33] | iamlindoro: | (or driver) |
| [01:02:40] | styelz: | i upgraded the firmware on the hdhr 2 days ago to see if that fixed anything, but its the same.. maybe worse. |
| [01:02:53] | hoolio: | what version of myth are you on? |
| [01:02:53] | iamlindoro: | Myth just tells the HDHR what frequency it wants-- the HDHR is responsible for passing back the requested program |
| [01:03:22] | k-man: | styelz, the only reason I asked was because I had an issue with my hdhr dvb-t where the power supply failed. and I discovered that the hdhr is very sensitive to under voltage. so if your power supply is failing that could cause it. although in this instance it doesn't sound like it because restarting the backend solves it |
| [01:03:42] | iamlindoro: | Once again, restarting the backend fixing it does not absolve the hardware |
| [01:03:48] | styelz: | ok |
| [01:04:02] | iamlindoro: | since it breaks and reinitializes the communication pathways, resulting in a "fresh" state on the HDHR |
| [01:04:08] | k-man: | styelz, how old is the hdhr? |
| [01:04:32] | k-man: | fwiw, the power supplies have 2 years warranty on them iirc. |
| [01:05:09] | styelz: | its about 2 yrs old |
| [01:05:16] | k-man: | styelz, is it connected over ethernet? |
| [01:05:32] | styelz: | yes |
| [01:05:32] | iamlindoro: | how else would it be connected? |
| [01:06:48] | styelz: | would it have anything to do with the backend querying the channels for shwo data? |
| [01:06:57] | styelz: | EIT scan ? |
| [01:07:09] | iamlindoro: | Only in that it would further exacerbate an existing hardware problem |
| [01:07:12] | styelz: | cause i just enabled that, and got rid of shepherd |
| [01:07:54] | iamlindoro: | if the tuner is drifting, and myth keeps a constant connection open which repeatedly retunes, then you will trigger the issue many hundreds of times quicker than without |
| [01:08:00] | styelz: | ok, ill try turn EIT off, then check power supply |
| [01:08:43] | styelz: | thanks or the tips |
| [01:08:51] | k-man: | iamlindoro, there could be wifi in between or soemthing |
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| [01:16:32] | yakov: | Hello, is it ok to ask about 0.23 support here? |
| [01:18:05] | hoolio: | yakov, just go ahead matey |
| [01:18:18] | hoolio: | i'm sure somebody knows something helpful |
| [01:18:55] | hoolio: | styelz, got rid of shepherd!? |
| [01:20:33] | k-man: | why would you get rid of shepherd? |
| [01:21:23] | styelz: | yea, the xmltv grabber .. because EIT is good enough to do what it does these days |
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| [01:22:15] | yakov: | ok thanks hoolio, I am having troubles to access music from my backend to my frontends, I am stuck with the directories, what do I have to look first? |
| [01:24:00] | styelz: | version here is fixes/0.24 (0.24.1.-80-g1de0431) |
| [01:25:54] | styelz: | yakov, did you set the path to your music folder under frontend, Setup / Media Settings / Music Settings / General Settings |
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| [01:28:28] | styelz: | once you do that, go back to Setup > Music (depends on theme i guess) but.. Scan for New Music. |
| [01:29:25] | yakov: | yes styelz, but it is a local path in the frontend and I want to access music in the backend, I'd tried with and ip path but i didnt work. |
| [01:31:25] | styelz: | oh, not sure |
| [01:34:13] | hoolio: | "because EIT is good enough to do what it does these days" |
| [01:34:27] | yakov: | ok thank you |
| [01:34:52] | hoolio: | styelz, I'm not sure if i agree with that ^^ |
| [01:35:25] | hoolio: | to start with, how many guide sources does shepherd use? |
| [01:37:20] | styelz: | not sure |
| [01:39:20] | hoolio: | lots, 6 or more here |
| [01:39:28] | hoolio: | some of which overlap |
| [01:39:35] | hoolio: | which means if one fails, you get data from another |
| [01:39:58] | hoolio: | plus you get augmentation from imdb and tmdb for movies etc |
| [01:40:17] | hoolio: | and lots of other cool stuff |
| [01:40:27] | styelz: | yea i know |
| [01:41:13] | hoolio: | please educate me, how is EIT better? |
| [01:41:31] | wagnerrp: | yakov: mythmusic can only access content on the filesystem |
| [01:41:43] | wagnerrp: | it is not yet migrated to storage groups to allow streaming from the backend |
| [01:42:09] | yakov: | ohhh thank you very much wagnerrp !!! |
| [01:42:30] | wagnerrp: | when it does get migrated, there will be no configuration on the frontend |
| [01:42:36] | wagnerrp: | storage will all be defined on the backend |
| [01:42:49] | wagnerrp: | what were you intending to accomplish by supplying an IP in that field? |
| [01:43:10] | styelz: | hoolio: it does the job i need it to do, that's all.. didnt say it was better. said it was good enough |
| [01:43:25] | yakov: | wagnerrp, to access music files to play at the frontends |
| [01:43:41] | wagnerrp: | right, buy why would you put in an IP there? |
| [01:43:56] | hoolio: | styelz, ok fair enough |
| [01:44:07] | hoolio: | was just curious why you changed |
| [01:44:20] | yakov: | wagnerrp, my backend ip, I was just guessing... |
| [01:45:08] | wagnerrp: | anyway, you must use NFS or samba or something to mount the content to the local filesystem |
| [01:45:13] | styelz: | hoolio, i think the main reason i tried EIT again was because shepherd sometimes gave odd results, small chunks here and there. |
| [01:45:14] | wagnerrp: | and then point mythmusic at that location |
| [01:45:24] | wagnerrp: | all frontends must be configured to use the same path |
| [01:45:35] | yakov: | wagnerrp, ok I got it thank you. |
| [01:45:39] | hoolio: | yakov, for what it's worth, i mount my backend on my frontend via samba, then symlink /var/lib/mythtv/music to /mnt/remote_backend/music |
| [01:46:01] | hoolio: | so /var/lib/mythtv/music points to the same data, on both the BE and FE |
| [01:46:06] | wagnerrp: | why not just point mythmusic at /mnt/remote_backend/music? |
| [01:46:12] | Hydr0p0nX: | when i scan channels in myth, i get a lot of channels that show "Locked" and I can't see any channels when i try to watch tv on the front end, i just get a black screen |
| [01:46:40] | wagnerrp: | Hydr0p0nX: you are scanning digital cable? |
| [01:46:41] | styelz: | and i checked EIT, and discovered it had 2 weeks of EIT data for every channel.. (here in melbourne/oz) |
| [01:46:44] | hoolio: | that would work too |
| [01:46:52] | yakov: | thanks guys you open my mind! |
| [01:46:53] | Hydr0p0nX: | yes |
| [01:46:59] | hoolio: | :) |
| [01:47:08] | wagnerrp: | 'locked' means the tuner has locked the multiplex (physical channel) |
| [01:47:24] | wagnerrp: | but chances are that nearly all that content will be encrypted, and unusable by mythtv |
| [01:47:36] | Hydr0p0nX: | i'm able to view channels with xawtv if it makes a difference |
| [01:48:09] | wagnerrp: | are you trying to scan analog or digital? |
| [01:48:48] | hoolio: | i can see how EIT could be better iff tv stations actually updated the EIT when there were very late scheduling changes |
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| [01:49:27] | Hydr0p0nX: | i tried scanning everything |
| [01:49:29] | hoolio: | but i still don't like the idea of one guide data source |
| [01:49:52] | wagnerrp: | Hydr0p0nX: what tuner card do you have? |
| [01:50:15] | Hydr0p0nX: | an old haupauge wintv brooktree card |
| [01:50:24] | wagnerrp: | eew... |
| [01:50:31] | wagnerrp: | well in that case, you shouldnt be scanning anything |
| [01:50:38] | wagnerrp: | you should pull a lineup from your schedules direct account |
| [01:53:04] | Hydr0p0nX: | if i can get this one working, i'll be ordering a firewire card for my main box so i can pull straight off my cablebox |
| [01:53:15] | wagnerrp: | you dont want to do that either |
| [01:53:22] | Hydr0p0nX: | no ? |
| [01:53:23] | wagnerrp: | you can use firewire, youre better off with a cablecard tuner |
| [01:53:39] | wagnerrp: | if you can... |
| [01:53:45] | wagnerrp: | i.e. if the content is marked copy-freely |
| [01:53:55] | k-man: | yay, finaly got qt 4.7 to compile from git. there is a problem where it won't compile if you do a "make install" without having first done a plain make. which causes the osx build script problems |
| [01:54:12] | k-man: | it's a known bug in qt but has not been fixed yet afaict |
| [02:05:59] | Beirdo: | go Qt, you bucket o' crap |
| [02:06:32] | Beirdo: | it'll be fixed by Qt 5.0, I'm sure |
| [02:07:46] | ** Beirdo looks at the stack of boxes of books that need putting on the shelves. Sigh. ** | |
| [02:08:44] | Beirdo: | but first, more Royal Pains |
| [02:22:49] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: you mean youre back to trying to compile on windows? |
| [02:23:22] | Beirdo: | heh, no |
| [02:23:38] | Beirdo: | it compiles fine for the buildslave, good enough for me |
| [02:24:18] | k-man: | Beirdo, the osx build? |
| [02:24:43] | Beirdo: | not sure what part of "windows" meant OSX |
| [02:24:45] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [02:25:08] | k-man: | oh – sorry, missed that |
| [02:25:17] | Beirdo: | last I heard, stuarta was working on the OSX stuff in his copious spare time |
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| [02:26:14] | Beirdo: | I guess I could toy with it at some point if he needs a hand |
| [02:26:25] | Beirdo: | I *am* typing on a MacBook right now |
| [02:28:20] | Beirdo: | believe it or not, I've been doing a bit of cleaning rather than coding this weekend |
| [02:28:55] | k-man: | nice |
| [02:30:39] | Beirdo: | I hate cleaning. Blech |
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| [03:01:55] | Hydr0p0nX: | k, got the channel line up now |
| [03:02:17] | Hydr0p0nX: | does the initial channel/data load take the longest by chance ? |
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| [04:48:59] | Beirdo: | got like half the books shelved, and STILL have a disgustingly large pile of boxes to go |
| [04:52:57] | hoolio: | books. |
| [04:53:09] | Beirdo: | yes, Books |
| [04:53:22] | hoolio: | they're like wikis wot someone printed out, right? |
| [04:53:24] | Beirdo: | you know, those things you sit down and READ |
| [04:54:35] | k-man: | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRBIVRwvUeE |
| [04:55:07] | hoolio: | ^ seen that before; it's cool :) |
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| [05:13:10] | Beirdo: | haha.. "You're gonna be grounded until there's a white President..." |
| [05:13:27] | hoolio: | will that not happen soon? |
| [05:13:46] | Beirdo: | possibly, possibly not |
| [05:14:10] | Beirdo: | still a good saying |
| [05:14:36] | hoolio: | do people still like Obama? |
| [05:15:16] | Beirdo: | who knows. |
| [05:15:37] | hoolio: | what's the word on the streets? ;) |
| [05:15:44] | Beirdo: | politician = liar as far as I'm concerned |
| [05:15:50] | wagnerrp: | 38% approval, 55% disapproval |
| [05:15:58] | Beirdo: | I dunno, go to the streets |
| [05:16:11] | hoolio: | my streets are a long way from your streets |
| [05:16:22] | Beirdo: | People in Seattle seem to be more or less happy-ish with him |
| [05:17:21] | wagnerrp: | although the approval is 83% among polled blacks |
| [05:17:33] | Beirdo: | I could care less. If it's not one liar, it's another |
| [05:18:02] | hoolio: | i wonder how often blacks get polled |
| [05:18:13] | wagnerrp: | which brings up the question, do those polled actually have any clue what hes done to make an informed decision, or do they just like him because hes black |
| [05:18:36] | Beirdo: | or because he's not a Bush? |
| [05:18:38] | wagnerrp: | im sure any legitimate poll takes a proper sample of the entire population |
| [05:19:10] | hoolio: | depends whos doing the polling i guess |
| [05:19:23] | hoolio: | well he won the one that matters, for now |
| [05:19:37] | wagnerrp: | oh? |
| [05:19:49] | wagnerrp: | the one that matters is the overall average, which is 55% disapproval |
| [05:20:36] | Beirdo: | that only matters if the Republicans can find someone who doesn't get even more disapproval |
| [05:20:45] | wagnerrp: | heh, well youve got a point there |
| [05:20:46] | Beirdo: | i.e. not Palin |
| [05:21:08] | wagnerrp: | as south park so eloquently put it... every election is between a douche and a turd sandwich |
| [05:21:11] | hoolio: | won as in he was elected President. |
| [05:21:25] | hoolio: | :) i'd agree with that |
| [05:26:03] | wagnerrp: | dont we have a dev in connecticut? |
| [05:26:50] | wagnerrp: | apparently hartford is ranked 7th worst city for driving |
| [05:27:02] | wagnerrp: | 60% of the national average for serious car accident rates |
| [05:29:14] | Beirdo: | Really? |
| [05:29:23] | wagnerrp: | erm... s/of/above/ |
| [05:29:30] | Beirdo: | it never seemed that bad when I was there |
| [05:30:05] | Beirdo: | maybe it's because so many people there work for insurance? |
| [05:30:19] | wagnerrp: | seems baltimore is second, at 88% above average |
| [05:30:46] | wagnerrp: | and DC is an even 100%, with drivers averaging 4.8yrs between a totaled vehicle |
| [05:31:01] | wagnerrp: | i guess that area gets no trade-ins! |
| [05:31:02] | Beirdo: | Politicians |
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| [05:47:28] | wagnerrp: | cool... http://www.youtube.com/my_speed |
| [05:47:43] | Azelphur: | cool indeed :D |
| [05:48:08] | Azelphur: | sort of cool |
| [05:48:20] | wagnerrp: | i found it completely unexpectedly |
| [05:48:24] | Azelphur: | me upgrading my internet connection dragged my entire towns average up 2mbit. |
| [05:48:29] | Azelphur: | proof that nobody in my town uses computers. :( |
| [05:48:36] | wagnerrp: | the close gesture is down/right, and i was trying to close the page |
| [05:48:43] | wagnerrp: | but i accidentally clicked on the flash window |
| [05:48:48] | Azelphur: | hehe |
| [05:48:51] | wagnerrp: | and down/righted right into the option to bring up that window |
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| [07:36:41] | wagnerrp: | Captain_Murdoch: ive pushed the new commandlineparser behavior in |
| [07:36:59] | wagnerrp: | i kept it as a separate commit, so in case we want to pull it later, it can be reverted indepedently |
| [07:39:46] | mknbhv: | Does anyone know how to avoid conflicts with live TV and recordings WITHOUT using the official frontend just setting something on the backend? I have three tuners and I still miss recordings if I watch live tv. I am using mythbox as my frontend. and the only fix for this is a setting in the official frontend to use the tuner least likely to cause conflict instead of just the first which will not work on my setup. |
| [07:40:37] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: i added logic to handle relations between different options, which you may find useful for mythmetadatalookup |
| [07:40:50] | wagnerrp: | something like... http://pastebin.com/dEpanv6h |
| [07:41:15] | wagnerrp: | to get rid of the block of tests in main() |
| [07:42:22] | wagnerrp: | mknbhv: we dont support mythbox |
| [07:42:37] | wagnerrp: | since that behavior is something that only exists in the frontend |
| [07:42:50] | wagnerrp: | if you want that behavior in mythbox, that code would have to be duplicated in mythbox |
| [07:43:15] | mknbhv: | Thanks I was hoping it could be set on the backend |
| [07:43:16] | wagnerrp: | it shouldnt be difficult to add |
| [07:43:43] | wagnerrp: | just a bit of code in the livetv init code when mythbox selects what tuner to use |
| [07:44:53] | wagnerrp: | you may want to try in #xbmc to see if someone knows the code more intimately, to give you better direction than that |
| [07:45:10] | wagnerrp: | although from my understanding, mythbox is deprecated |
| [07:45:43] | wagnerrp: | they are replacing it with some new generic PVR plugin written in C |
| [07:48:35] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: 69 minutes for the vista buildbot? yikes |
| [07:48:49] | wagnerrp: | is there not a copy of ccache that can be used in mingw? |
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| [08:46:47] | styelz: | after playing with EIT, it appears to be fixed now, hdhr doesnt lose signal.. the power supply was haf hangin out the socket too, so maybe it was that.. but i doubt it |
| [08:48:28] | Beirdo: | yeah, there apparently is, but a very specific one |
| [08:48:34] | Beirdo: | mythcommandlineparser.cpp:7:23: fatal error: sys/ioctl.h: No such file or directory |
| [08:48:45] | Beirdo: | in case you missed what the error was :) |
| [08:49:19] | Beirdo: | I need to try out the ccache stuff, maybe tomorrow. |
| [08:50:57] | dekarl: | styelz: so it's working now with active eit enabled? |
| [08:51:29] | styelz: | yea, but im waiting for the EIT scan to start, it usually chews up b/w by now |
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| [08:51:52] | styelz: | not realy sure how EIT scan works |
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| [08:54:18] | dekarl: | the active scanner kicks in once the card has been idle for some time (5min iirc) |
| [08:55:24] | styelz: | before i changed it.. it used to chew up b/w constantly, like i was watching tv or recording. never stopped |
| [08:55:54] | styelz: | ah, here it goes.. 1.8MB/sec |
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| [08:56:42] | styelz: | now ill check the signal |
| [08:56:55] | styelz: | wow, its crap again |
| [08:57:21] | dekarl: | I bet it uses bandwidth.. after all it's collecting a bunch of pids for PSI and EIT ;) |
| [08:57:38] | styelz: | yea seems like it |
| [08:57:58] | styelz: | 3MB /sec while watching tv |
| [08:57:59] | dekarl: | is that 1.8 megabyte per second? |
| [08:58:05] | styelz: | yea |
| [08:58:10] | styelz: | bytes |
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| [08:58:48] | styelz: | so i guess thats one good reason to go back to xmltv data |
| [08:59:30] | styelz: | would yave thought it could handle 10MB |
| [09:02:45] | styelz: | mm, time to check the network i guess |
| [09:03:39] | dekarl: | something is fishy... 15mbit/s for EIT out of DVB-T seems way over the top. |
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| [09:06:21] | styelz: | sorry, i made a mistake.. a show started to record. it wasnt eit |
| [09:07:01] | dekarl: | that sounds more reasonable :) |
| [09:07:40] | dekarl: | 15mbit/s would have been around half a transport. (using numbers from wikipedia) |
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| [10:08:16] | hashbang: | morning all |
| [10:08:19] | hashbang: | seen this: http://www.radioandtelly.co.uk/news/2011/08/v . . . reeview.html ? |
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| [10:21:02] | dekarl: | hashbang, ohh you get 1080p over the air since march? very cool :) |
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| [10:25:13] | hashbang: | dekarl: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freeview_%28UK%29#Freeview_HD |
| [10:25:53] | hashbang: | dekarl: only 5 channels, though |
| [10:26:25] | hashbang: | dekarl: and, from what I gather, the bitrate is pretty awful |
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| [10:28:06] | hashbang: | dekarl: also, UK HD is 1080i, according to wikipedia |
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| [10:32:26] | dekarl: | http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/researchanddevelop . . . -hd-on.shtml |
| [10:32:26] | dekarl: | "But after a software upgrade ... the HD encoder .. has been set-up to automatically detect progressive material and change encoding mode appropriately." |
| [10:35:36] | hashbang: | dekarl: haha, I bet a substantial proportion of STBs can't do 1080p50 even though they're supposed to |
| [10:35:46] | hashbang: | dekarl: that's the history of DTV in the UK... |
| [10:36:52] | hashbang: | dekarl: haha, and, sure enough, that seems to be behind the very first user comment to that post... |
| [10:37:42] | dekarl: | ?? 1080p50 is out of spec for Freeview HD if I read correclty |
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| [10:39:21] | hashbang: | dekarl: from your link: "This is why STBs are mandated to have a 1080p50 output" |
| [10:40:47] | dekarl: | hashbang, I'm talking about the STB input side... aka what goes over the air |
| [10:41:38] | dekarl: | sure the link between STB and display should be set up in a way that makes a nice picture. whatever it has to be (depending on which deinterlacer is better, STB or Display. etc.) |
| [10:42:17] | hashbang: | dekarl: thing is, there's the DVB specs, and the Freeview/Freeview HD specs (which are a subset of DVB) |
| [10:42:24] | dekarl: | but the comments show the one thing... STB manufacturers will not follow the spec until it is used... |
| [10:42:44] | hashbang: | dekarl: exactly – a lot of manufacturers build only to the parts of the Freeview specs they observe being used |
| [10:42:59] | hashbang: | dekarl: when the broadcasters start using more of the Freeview spec, stuff breaks |
| [10:43:22] | dekarl: | so we cancel out progress until the last manufacturer limps in? |
| [10:43:23] | hashbang: | dekarl: http://www.digitaluk.co.uk/Split_NIT_17_March . . . l_design.pdf |
| [10:43:44] | hashbang: | dekarl: http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showthread.php?t=226431 |
| [10:44:13] | dekarl: | it's the same everywhere... be it dynamic PMT, changing encoding parameters midstream etc. that's why many stations stay clear of such "modern stuff" |
| [10:44:32] | hashbang: | dekarl: well, it'd be nice if Ofcom (or Trading Standards) could spank manufacturers whose boxes bear DVB and/or Freeview logos, but don't actually implement the full spec |
| [10:47:27] | dekarl: | Split xxT (NIT/PMT/etc) is a common problem all over the place. Basically it's tables that get so big they don't fit into one section... |
| [10:47:59] | dekarl: | users should spank manufactures with no clue for not buying a working middleware... |
| [10:48:10] | dekarl: | just return the stuff because of hidden defects |
| [10:48:36] | dekarl: | The stores will take care of the spanking on behalf of the consumers :D |
| [10:48:59] | hashbang: | dekarl: but we have manufacturers who just shrugged their shoulders and said "sorry, needs a firmware update, we aren't doing one, and you're out of warranty. Out of the goodness of our hearts, we'll give you $TOKEN_AMOUNT off a replacement from our current range of rubbish, but that's all you're getting" |
| [10:49:50] | ** hashbang had one of the Daewoo/Setpal boxes orphaned by Split NIT ** | |
| [10:50:04] | hashbang: | luckily, I'd stopped using it in favour of a Panasonic IDTV, but... |
| [10:50:33] | hashbang: | advantage to MythTV here; you have the source... |
| [10:52:27] | dekarl: | hashbang, just looked it up. over here it's 2 years from the date of purchase to hand it in at the shop for them to fix it... |
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| [10:55:16] | hashbang: | dekarl: yeah, I think my Daewoo STB was over 4 years old when it got clobbered by the introduction of Split NIT |
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| [10:56:00] | hashbang: | dekarl: I'm offended by the fact that it was physically still functional, but broken solely because Daewoo couldn't be arsed/were incapable of producing a new firmware fix |
| [10:56:15] | hashbang: | dekarl: and so it went to landfill, along with millions of other similar boxes |
| [11:04:26] | dekarl: | hashbang: I see your point. I'd be offended, too. But I don't really understand why the NIT split broke the equipment. It should just break the quick channel scan and make a full scan necessary. |
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| [11:37:24] | mtrax: | Hi just wondering if any one has seen any pointers to fixing LIRCD in Fedora 14/15 |
| [11:37:36] | mtrax: | ie just upgraded from F13 where lirc was working |
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| [11:49:22] | sulx: | check ir-keytable |
| [11:49:28] | sulx: | if protocol is lirc |
| [11:51:31] | hashbang: | mtrax: I had to rebuild my /etc/lircd.conf on F14. My F8 config failed entirely. |
| [11:51:52] | hashbang: | mtrax: once I'd successfully done that, it JFWs |
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| [11:52:53] | hashbang: | mtrax: oh, and I needed to configure HAL to ignore the IR device nodes |
| [11:53:00] | hashbang: | mtrax: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/User:Cowbutt#Haupp . . . a-Red_Remote |
| [11:55:17] | hashbang: | mtrax: as for getting it fixed upstream in Fedora, forgeddaboudid. Fedora=Cascade of Attention Deficit Teenagers, these days. |
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| [11:58:56] | mtrax: | ok thanks.. |
| [12:00:35] | mtrax: | I notice the device= [blank] perhaps thats my issue |
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| [12:53:48] | k-man: | is github showing a 500 message for you guys too? |
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| [12:56:59] | k-man: | oh its back |
| [13:08:30] | tank-man: | linux kernel moved to github, maybe the load is too much? :) |
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| [13:18:58] | NickHu: | Guys, do you have any idea why updating icons for sourceid takes hours and hours? |
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| [13:25:20] | k-man: | tank-man, when did that happen? |
| [13:29:02] | tank-man: | today i think |
| [13:33:56] | NickHu: | Linux has always been on github |
| [13:34:03] | NickHu: | Hell, github was created for linux |
| [13:34:37] | tank-man: | git and github.com are two different things |
| [13:35:51] | laga: | don't confuse me with facts! |
| [13:37:02] | NickHu: | Oh I read wrong then |
| [13:37:18] | NickHu: | And it was because kernel.org got hacked |
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| [14:06:19] | _abbenormal: | http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2011/ . . . campaign=rss |
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| [14:17:09] | k-man: | tank-man, according to the post on slashdot, linus is hosting the tree on github until kernel.org sorts out its problems |
| [14:17:30] | k-man: | so its not really a move, more a temporary relocation by the sounds of things |
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| [14:31:27] | slack-m: | gaaaaah!!!! I can't get mythfrontend to see ANY video files at all |
| [14:31:37] | slack-m: | yes i did add the directories in the setup |
| [14:31:44] | wagnerrp: | mythfrontend isnt supposed to see or access video files at all |
| [14:31:51] | wagnerrp: | which 'setup' did you add them in? |
| [14:32:01] | slack-m: | well how do you make mythbackend run without a tuner? |
| [14:32:12] | slack-m: | i dont have a tuner card, but id like it to play my videos |
| [14:32:38] | wagnerrp: | did you add the directories to mythtv-setup, or to the mythvideo setup in the frontend? |
| [14:32:38] | slack-m: | at first i did mythtv-setup but then i cleaned that out and did it in mythfrontend |
| [14:32:49] | slack-m: | niether way worked |
| [14:33:00] | wagnerrp: | clear out the frontend settings |
| [14:33:10] | wagnerrp: | add the directories to the Videos storage group in mythtv-setup |
| [14:33:25] | wagnerrp: | restart your backend to pick up the new paths |
| [14:33:38] | wagnerrp: | go into mythfrontend, watch videos, press 'm', and 'scan for changes' |
| [14:33:46] | wagnerrp: | http://mythtv.org/wiki/MythVideo |
| [14:34:43] | slack-m: | wagnerrp: mythbackend wont run without a tuner |
| [14:34:45] | slack-m: | and i dont have one |
| [14:34:50] | wagnerrp: | that is correct |
| [14:34:57] | wagnerrp: | and mythfrontend wont run without a mythbackend |
| [14:35:05] | wagnerrp: | you /can/ add a dummy tuner for temporary use |
| [14:35:27] | wagnerrp: | but you may want to reconsider use of mythtv if you never intend to add a proper tuner card |
| [14:35:48] | wagnerrp: | tunerless operation is something we may start supporting with 0.26 or so |
| [14:35:55] | wagnerrp: | i doubt anyone will add it in for 0.25 |
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| [14:42:27] | NickHu: | wagnerrp: How long is updating icons meant to take? |
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| [15:20:53] | Jessica_Lily: | hmm I can't seem to work out how to setup mythtv I've followed a few guides but I can't seem to get the channels to be listed. |
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| [15:24:35] | laga: | Jessica_Lily: can you tell us what you did and where it didn't work? |
| [15:24:41] | laga: | also, what kind of hardware you have etc |
| [15:25:03] | Jessica_Lily: | Sure, two seconds. |
| [15:27:33] | Jessica_Lily: | if i grep dmesg i get "cx2388x dvb driver" loaded… apparently (according to my dad) its a Hauppauge card… I checked it worked by using mplayer (it does). I setup capture card as "DVB DTV capture card (v3.x)" I then use EIT to find channels (set to europe-west)… And peform a scan |
| [15:28:11] | laga: | is that a dvb-s card? |
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| [15:31:32] | Jessica_Lily: | laga I believe so |
| [15:36:52] | xrdodrx: | I'm having trouble receiving EFI guide data with MythTV, I have it set to use it in myth-setup but my guide is empty, any advice? |
| [15:37:19] | xrdodrx: | I'm using a DVB card so I should receive it without too much issue |
| [15:37:39] | wagnerrp: | NickHu: no clue, been years since ive done it |
| [15:42:11] | wagnerrp: | xrdodrx: you have an ATSC card, not a DVB |
| [15:42:27] | wagnerrp: | and as explained, EIT data on ATSC is garbage |
| [15:42:44] | laga: | Jessica_Lily: and where exactly is the problem? |
| [15:42:52] | wagnerrp: | it /should/ work, but its doubtful youll find anyone in here who has ever used it to help you diagnose the issue |
| [15:43:19] | wagnerrp: | to get EIT data, your backend must be running, and your backend must be idle with no use in the previous five minutes |
| [15:43:40] | wagnerrp: | at which point, the backend will start actively scanning your stored channels with one of your tuners, and pulling EIT data |
| [15:43:47] | skd5aner: | nice – http://www.zdnet.com/blog/security/google-moz . . . rowsers/9337 |
| [15:44:13] | dekarl: | Jessica_Lily: if you are setting up satelite receiption you have to configure DiSEqC on the cards input |
| [15:44:18] | wagnerrp: | according to rabbitears.info, they only have data for the NBC broadcaster (WMGM) in the Atlantic City market |
| [15:44:31] | wagnerrp: | and they only transmit the bare minimum, 12 hours of data |
| [15:45:11] | wagnerrp: | technically, they only have the stream descriptors to indicate they make 12 hours of data available, there is nothing to say they are actually sending 12 hours worth through those descriptors |
| [15:45:32] | xrdodrx: | :/ okay |
| [15:45:33] | dekarl: | wrt metadata is it just me or is the recording rule editor in the frontend *always* performing an automatic search for candidates no matter if an inetref is already set on the rule or not? (it appears to save the inetref, but not load it from the db) |
| [15:45:49] | xrdodrx: | wagnerrp, I checked TV Fool, AC has very few channels :< |
| [15:46:17] | wagnerrp: | dekarl: youre talking about the new metadata stuff for recordings in 0.25? |
| [15:46:24] | dekarl: | wagnerrp: indeed |
| [15:46:40] | wagnerrp: | even if you have the inetref set, it will still have to perform a search to look up season and episode numbers |
| [15:47:03] | wagnerrp: | one search means its doing that |
| [15:47:05] | dekarl: | I have inetref/season/episode set on the rule... |
| [15:47:28] | Jessica_Lily: | dekarl no idea what to do :P |
| [15:47:36] | wagnerrp: | season and episode cant be set on the rule unless its a single episode record |
| [15:47:36] | dekarl: | after all I just performed the search, saved and reloaded the editor. (reloading just the metadata screen works as expected) |
| [15:47:37] | Jessica_Lily: | I think its DVB-S |
| [15:47:44] | wagnerrp: | and then i dont know if that information gets passed through |
| [15:47:48] | xrdodrx: | wagnerrp, I just messed with it a little more, the data they're sending out (unless I'm receiving it wrong) is just a long list of "DTV Program" |
| [15:47:51] | xrdodrx: | :x |
| [15:48:01] | wagnerrp: | hahaha |
| [15:48:09] | wagnerrp: | see? garbage... |
| [15:48:23] | wagnerrp: | :) |
| [15:48:52] | xrdodrx: | wagnerrp, i'm definitely going to be signing up for that service lol :) http://i.imgur.com/6sZH5.png |
| [15:49:33] | wagnerrp: | you could file a complaint against the FCC |
| [15:49:46] | dekarl: | Jessica_Lily: Is this some kind of shared satelite system in a bigger house? The configuration has to match the installation in the house. |
| [15:49:53] | wagnerrp: | theyre in violation of the intent of the law, if not the letter itself |
| [15:51:01] | wagnerrp: | i dont think there are any requirements as to the quality of that data |
| [15:51:07] | wagnerrp: | but that may as well be no data at all |
| [15:52:10] | seeker: | dekarl: I noticed the same thing. And it asks you to pick from the like of "likely candidates" again as well |
| [15:53:22] | seeker: | So I have to try and remember which of "doctor who", "doctor who", "doctor who" or "doctor who" was the correct one |
| [15:53:49] | dekarl: | seeker: indeed, it's confusing. I'm always wondering which rules already have the correct inetref set ;) |
| [15:55:12] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: recorded entries have a recordid field |
| [15:55:12] | Hydr0p0nX: | anyone know what to do for: Error: Couldn't find an A/V decoder for: '/var/lib/mythtv/livetv/2051_20110905001803.nuv' |
| [15:55:34] | Jessica_Lily: | dekarl i have no idea how to get this working |
| [15:55:42] | wagnerrp: | we could retroactively apply the inetref to any matching recordings with no existing inetref, when the user sets one for an existing recording rule |
| [15:55:43] | seeker: | wagnerrp: If it looked up episode/season numbers from the value you already set, but it seems to play dumb whenever you go in to the metadata menu |
| [15:56:06] | wagnerrp: | seeker: it currently does not pull season/episode numbers from the recording rule, only inetref |
| [15:56:23] | wagnerrp: | as the only instance where that would make sense would be a single show recording |
| [15:56:37] | wagnerrp: | which should very rarely be used in mythtv |
| [15:56:50] | wagnerrp: | (for tv shows) |
| [15:57:08] | wagnerrp: | Hydr0p0nX: could we see the whole chunk of logs? |
| [15:57:22] | Hydr0p0nX: | sure, i'll pastebin them |
| [15:57:53] | dekarl: | Jessica_Lily: a) ask someone who knows what hardware is installed in/on the house, b) try all likely combinations. |
| [15:57:53] | dekarl: | I'd suggest a) first :) You can try to configure "just the LNB" on the connection and "a 4 port switch with a LNB on every port" these are two likely variants. But never having seen a DVB-S setup I can only guess. See http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/DVB-S for a guide through the screens |
| [15:58:07] | seeker: | wagnerrp: I'm not sure if dekarl is talking about specific recordings. If there is a rule set up to record every showing of a program, and you go to "recording rules" and edit the metadata options for that recording rule it will always try to determine the inetref, rather than using a previously set value |
| [15:58:43] | wagnerrp: | seeker: why would it do otherwise? |
| [15:58:56] | wagnerrp: | the only reason you should have to edit the metadata options is if you are changing the inetref |
| [15:59:25] | seeker: | wagnerrp: Because you want to change covertart/fanart/banners? |
| [15:59:52] | wagnerrp: | we store that in the recording rule? |
| [15:59:59] | dekarl: | wagnerrp: how can I see if a recording rule has the metadata options already filled out? |
| [16:00:40] | seeker: | wagnerrp: I dont know where you store it. But it is where you set it. |
| [16:01:42] | seeker: | There is an inetref text box, then a "query" button, then a load of "choose art" buttons |
| [16:02:17] | seeker: | It should use a previously set inetref unless you click the query button |
| [16:03:40] | Jessica_Lily: | dekarl I've tried all the combinations I can possibly think of |
| [16:04:03] | seeker: | dekarl: To be clear, am I referring to the same thing you were? |
| [16:04:24] | Jessica_Lily: | It's pretty stardard I believe its just got a arial (so it might not be dvb-s) and that goes into this card |
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| [16:04:49] | wagnerrp: | if it uses an antenna, that would be DVB-T |
| [16:05:51] | Jessica_Lily: | right okay, its nice to know however i don't know how that helps :P |
| [16:06:32] | wagnerrp: | dekarl, seeker: i just went into the metadata options on my frontend, and it seems to have retained the existing inetref stored in the database |
| [16:06:38] | wagnerrp: | rather than attempt to search for a new one |
| [16:06:39] | Jessica_Lily: | if i do `scan /usr/share/dvb/dvb-t/uk-lancaster` it finds some channels |
| [16:06:42] | dekarl: | btw, which country are you in? There should be an option to perform a full scan for that country |
| [16:06:57] | Jessica_Lily: | and if i throw that all in a file i can get mplayer to play it |
| [16:07:03] | dekarl: | wagnerrp: that is a rule for a series, correct? |
| [16:07:11] | wagnerrp: | for reference, this is a copy thats around a month old |
| [16:07:13] | wagnerrp: | dekarl: yes |
| [16:07:37] | Hydr0p0nX: | backend log is here: http://pastebin.ca/2079964 Frontend log is here: http://pastebin.ca/2079965 |
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| [16:08:38] | Hydr0p0nX: | [ 18.416169] bttv0: detected: Hauppauge WinTV [card=10], PCI subsystem ID is 0070:13eb |
| [16:08:48] | Hydr0p0nX: | sorry, wrong screen :) |
| [16:08:49] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: ?? |
| [16:09:15] | Jessica_Lily: | Any ideas folks? |
| [16:10:10] | seeker: | wagnerrp: Hmm, don't think it was doing that for me over the weekend. Will have another look tonight. |
| [16:10:17] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: right now, changes to a recording rule dont propagate through to existing recordings, right? |
| [16:10:25] | seeker: | wagnerrp: Is it a series with multiple options? |
| [16:10:32] | wagnerrp: | multiple options? |
| [16:10:35] | iamlindoro: | Correct |
| [16:10:46] | seeker: | wagnerrp: An ambiguous name |
| [16:11:02] | dekarl: | Jessica_Lily: here's a checklist, does it describe what you did? 1) add the card in mythtv setup, 2) add a video source called "Freeview" 3) connected the input of the card to the video source 4) at the screen where you did that you can perform a full channel scan for UK |
| [16:11:18] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: any reason to not apply the inetref to an existing recording, if it does not already have one? |
| [16:11:22] | iamlindoro: | The screen will only do a lookup if there is not one set on the rule |
| [16:11:41] | wagnerrp: | ah, so it does it already, the other way around |
| [16:11:42] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: There is already an option to do so |
| [16:12:03] | iamlindoro: | mythmetadatalookup --refresh-all |
| [16:12:11] | wagnerrp: | seeker: it doesnt matter, the only way mythtv would know a series had multiple options is if it did a search |
| [16:12:12] | iamlindoro: | will propagate all rule inetrefs to mtching recordings |
| [16:12:31] | wagnerrp: | i was watching the logs, it pulled up the existing inetref, without performing any form of search |
| [16:12:41] | iamlindoro: | correct |
| [16:12:51] | iamlindoro: | If the rule has an inetref, no search is done |
| [16:12:52] | Jessica_Lily: | dekarl the source was called EIT but i assume that doesn't matter |
| [16:12:59] | Jessica_Lily: | I also wasn't 100% which card to choose |
| [16:13:18] | dekarl: | indeed, calling it Freeview was just a suggestion, as that likely describes it well |
| [16:13:56] | seeker: | Hmm, will poke it tonight |
| [16:14:16] | wagnerrp: | Hydr0p0nX: the logs indicate that the backend expired a zero byte recording at the same channel id and timestamp as the file you failed to open |
| [16:14:37] | wagnerrp: | the frontend could not play the file, because there was no video data in the file to play |
| [16:14:46] | wagnerrp: | so the problem is in the backend, not the frontend |
| [16:14:56] | dekarl: | Jessica_Lily: should be "DVB DTV capture card..." |
| [16:15:06] | wagnerrp: | the "couldnt find a/v decoder" was merely a secondary symptom |
| [16:16:26] | Jessica_Lily: | dekarl okay I select card "DVB DTV capture card (v3.x)" > select video source "Transmitted guide only (EIT)" & europe-west > I do a scan using those i have just confused |
| [16:16:31] | Hydr0p0nX: | I have no recording set up yet |
| [16:16:42] | Jessica_Lily: | all i get is "Channel X offset 2 – Timed out, no signal" |
| [16:16:45] | Jessica_Lily: | for everything |
| [16:16:55] | wagnerrp: | Hydr0p0nX: mythtv only does recordings |
| [16:17:10] | wagnerrp: | when you try livetv, that is a recording with a bit of glue to allow the frontend to change channels |
| [16:17:11] | Jessica_Lily: | it will finish the scan and then tell me no channels have been found. |
| [16:17:28] | Hydr0p0nX: | was just making sure that the channel viewing was working, for the channel it comes up on, everything works fine, if i change channels, i get that message |
| [16:18:11] | wagnerrp: | there have been a handful of reports, people being unable to change channels in livetv when using framegrabbers |
| [16:18:39] | iamlindoro: | He's using a bttv card and setting it up as DVB? |
| [16:18:54] | iamlindoro: | ah, misreading |
| [16:19:02] | iamlindoro: | anyway, bttv + scan is more or less wrong, too |
| [16:19:04] | wagnerrp: | yeah, too many conversations going on |
| [16:19:16] | iamlindoro: | bah, that's a misread too :) |
| [16:19:20] | iamlindoro: | Maybe I should go back to bed |
| [16:19:46] | wagnerrp: | but its late in the day |
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| [16:19:54] | wagnerrp: | ive already been out in the woods brandishing a chainsaw |
| [16:20:00] | wagnerrp: | you cant go back to bed after that |
| [16:20:20] | iamlindoro: | no, not until you manage to forget the screams |
| [16:21:39] | Jessica_Lily: | dekarl any ideas? |
| [16:21:56] | Hydr0p0nX: | any suggestions for a workaround ? |
| [16:22:13] | Hydr0p0nX: | once i get this working, i have a 4tb array for video storage |
| [16:22:34] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: Anyway, the theory was that legacy users would get their recording rules set up, run --refresh-all to get them copied to existing recordings, and thereafter would set up future rules with lookups... I had also considered that metadata sources or inetrefs might change, and that one would still want artwork properly associated (thus not copying inetrefs automatically, and requiring at least a one-step intervention) |
| [16:22:50] | wagnerrp: | Hydr0p0nX: dont use livetv? |
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| [16:23:01] | wagnerrp: | the problem only affects livetv, not recordings |
| [16:23:05] | iamlindoro: | The idea being that if one always set up inetrefs on all rules going forward, you'd never need to copy anything across-- they'd just inherit to begin with |
| [16:23:30] | wagnerrp: | yeah, i was only expecting to push the change to recordings if they had no inetref set already |
| [16:23:44] | iamlindoro: | Yeah, that happens with --refresh-all |
| [16:24:22] | dekarl: | Jessica_Lily: hm, you are at menu option 4. and have connected your video source from option 3. to the card from option 2. => then in option "4. connection" you have the option to "channel scan" it should default to "full scan" and "Great Britain" or similar |
| [16:25:00] | dekarl: | The screen that has "europe-west" is the wrong one for the channel scan (IIRC) |
| [16:25:02] | wagnerrp: | sounds good then |
| [16:25:50] | Jessica_Lily: | dekarl video source is "freeview", input is the DVB card i configured, desired sources TV, unencrypted only, scan type full, country "united kingdom" |
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| [16:25:58] | dekarl: | sounds good |
| [16:26:06] | Jessica_Lily: | finds nothing |
| [16:26:25] | Hydr0p0nX: | wagnerrp: i'm fine with that for the longer term, but i need to identify which channels i actually pickup without a cable box first |
| [16:26:48] | wagnerrp: | you pick up all the analog cable channels |
| [16:26:59] | wagnerrp: | you should already know what those are |
| [16:27:04] | wagnerrp: | and if you dont, schedules direct will tell you |
| [16:27:14] | Hydr0p0nX: | ok |
| [16:27:37] | seeker: | Jessica_Lily: Have you managed to receive freeview channels on a TV plugged in to the same socket |
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| [16:27:57] | Jessica_Lily: | yes i have, i have also managed to recive Film4 and such like things via mplayer |
| [16:28:52] | dekarl: | Jessica_Lily: hmm, it might be a card that does not like "auto" for some options. Solution would be to do a manual tuned scan for one frequency and let it read the rest from the transmitted signal. |
| [16:29:17] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: so what are the rules about breaking the windows build? |
| [16:29:21] | Jessica_Lily: | dekarl how does the scan command do it |
| [16:29:32] | wagnerrp: | considering by the time the windows buildbot gets there, the PPC machine will have already finished successfully |
| [16:29:32] | Jessica_Lily: | because thats how i populated mplayer with channels |
| [16:29:38] | dekarl: | the scan command tries all kinds of variants... |
| [16:29:54] | Jessica_Lily: | hmm |
| [16:30:01] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: Heh, I guess maybe it is worth being a little more permissive with that one-- breakage + 12 hours? |
| [16:30:04] | dekarl: | and you gave it some hints with dvb-t/uk-lancaster |
| [16:30:16] | Jessica_Lily: | can i give mythtv these hints :P |
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| [16:30:30] | wagnerrp: | do you need to have a good compile in 12 hours? or just have the fix in? |
| [16:30:44] | iamlindoro: | I think just the fix sounds fair, given how long it takes to build |
| [16:30:49] | wagnerrp: | heh |
| [16:31:04] | wagnerrp: | four hours to spare! |
| [16:32:24] | dekarl: | Jessica_Lily: yes, but you must manually enter the data of one frequency into the manual scan... |
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| [16:32:46] | Jessica_Lily: | no idea how to do that but i'm willing to give it ago |
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| [16:33:29] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: For what it's worth, and it's a minor point, all TV series rules get season and episode set on them |
| [16:33:50] | dekarl: | you select "full scan (tuned)", then enter the frequency in Hz and... change the option that your card does not figure out automatic to the correct value... need to look what that would be |
| [16:33:50] | iamlindoro: | if the item is generic but a TV show, it gets set to 1x01-- if it has a subtitle and a specific season/episode it gets that |
| [16:33:51] | wagnerrp: | i noticed that... but i didnt think it actually did anything |
| [16:34:17] | iamlindoro: | it exists only as a hint to child lookups (on episodes from that rule) to hint that it's a show and should use the TV grabber first |
| [16:34:46] | wagnerrp: | ah |
| [16:34:51] | iamlindoro: | so if the rule is 0x00, it will pick the movie grabber first, and if the rule is anything else, it'll try TV first |
| [16:35:12] | dekarl: | Jessica_Lily: I've ever only done that for DVB-C which has completely different options though :( |
| [16:35:22] | Jessica_Lily: | dekarl which bit is the "full scan (tuned)" on? |
| [16:36:06] | dekarl: | it's an alternative to "full scan" and "UK", just turn the "full scan" option until it says "full scan (tuned)" or similar |
| [16:37:46] | Jessica_Lily: | dekarl ah right |
| [16:38:00] | Jessica_Lily: | no idea what to put for this xD |
| [16:38:52] | iamlindoro: | You put the parameters for your local transmitter-- you can look in the tuning file you used previously-- depending on the quality of your card's driver, it may be enough to leave everything auto but the frequency |
| [16:38:55] | dekarl: | sadly I can't tell you where to get the values from in the same terms as the must be entered, maybe some UK user can take over here? |
| [16:39:45] | iamlindoro: | Except if I recall correctly the tuning files are in Khz and Myth wants Mhz (so knock off three zeros) |
| [16:40:43] | dekarl: | I think I had to change it from KHz to Hz, might try both ways |
| [16:40:56] | iamlindoro: | Yeah, I cant' recall |
| [16:40:59] | dekarl: | (it depends on the kind of card C/S/T) |
| [16:41:20] | Jessica_Lily: | dekarl i see http://www.dtg.org.uk/industry/dtt_channels.html but i can't see any frequency values |
| [16:41:31] | iamlindoro: | Jessica_Lily: What is your transmitter? (which, that is) |
| [16:41:45] | Jessica_Lily: | which is my what? |
| [16:41:47] | Jessica_Lily: | no idea |
| [16:41:54] | iamlindoro: | Which transmitter to you tune to |
| [16:42:08] | iamlindoro: | Crystal Palace, Mendip, etc. |
| [16:42:08] | Jessica_Lily: | how would one go about finding this out? |
| [16:42:22] | iamlindoro: | dunno, most UK people we get in here tend to know it to start with |
| [16:42:28] | iamlindoro: | Where do you live? |
| [16:42:38] | Jessica_Lily: | Small village out of lancaster |
| [16:42:44] | iamlindoro: | I daresay a google for $WhereYouLive DVB-T transmitter would work |
| [16:42:55] | iamlindoro: | Well lucky you, there's a transmitter called "Lancaster" |
| [16:43:16] | iamlindoro: | You said you used a tuning file to scan and watch with mplayer, so which did you use? |
| [16:44:16] | dekarl: | soo, uk-lancaster => http://linuxtv.org/hg/dvb-apps/file/36a084aac . . . uk-Lancaster |
| [16:44:18] | Jessica_Lily: | /usr/share/dvb/dvb-t/uk-Lancaster |
| [16:44:21] | iamlindoro: | First line in my Lancaster tuning file is |
| [16:44:22] | iamlindoro: | T 530167000 8MHz 3/4 NONE QAM16 2k 1/32 NONE |
| [16:44:28] | Jessica_Lily: | Genious! |
| [16:44:33] | Jessica_Lily: | * Genius |
| [16:44:43] | Jessica_Lily: | I think when you spell genius wrong you know you're not one :P |
| [16:44:54] | iamlindoro: | So I'd set the frequency as 530167000, channel bandwidth to 8 Mhz, FEC to 3/4, Modulation to QAM16, etc. |
| [16:45:01] | iamlindoro: | And do a tuned scan based on that |
| [16:45:01] | Jessica_Lily: | Thanks! |
| [16:46:12] | iamlindoro: | The idea being the Multiplexes actually have data that allow our scanner to spider through and get them all |
| [16:46:44] | iamlindoro: | In truth a card with a solid driver should be able to scan with many of those values set to AUTO, but being specific shouldn't hurt |
| [16:46:56] | Jessica_Lily: | i don't see the modulation or FEC |
| [16:46:59] | Jessica_Lily: | options |
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| [16:47:29] | iamlindoro: | Not having done a DVB-T scan before, I would suggest just putting in the options you are able to |
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| [16:48:22] | dekarl: | Modulation -> Constellation, |
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| [16:49:18] | Jessica_Lily: | dekarl thanks |
| [16:49:26] | dekarl: | bandwidth 8mhz, mode 2k, guard interval 1/32, etc |
| [16:49:40] | Jessica_Lily: | non find |
| [16:51:07] | Jessica_Lily: | dekarl failed. |
| [16:51:41] | iamlindoro: | I wouldn't say he failed |
| [16:51:48] | Jessica_Lily: | no i wasn't |
| [16:51:51] | Jessica_Lily: | i was saying the scan failed |
| [16:51:52] | Jessica_Lily: | :P |
| [16:52:04] | iamlindoro: | Try the next mux, and so on |
| [16:52:22] | iamlindoro: | Your country went through a digital transition recently-- you never know what lives where these days |
| [16:52:30] | dekarl: | the line above turns into... from top to bottom, left to right. 530167000, 8 MHz, Auto, QAM16, None, 3/4, 2k, 1/32, None |
| [16:53:26] | Jessica_Lily: | dekarl didn't find any |
| [16:53:51] | dekarl: | hmm, try the next line then |
| [16:54:22] | dekarl: | the last update to that file was only 7 weeks ago, so there have been some changes lately |
| [16:55:27] | Jessica_Lily: | dekarl ahh okay thanks! |
| [16:57:56] | iamlindoro: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Wives_and_Girlfriends What the F?? |
| [16:58:13] | wagnerrp: | hehe |
| [16:58:24] | iamlindoro: | What a load of crap |
| [16:58:25] | wagnerrp: | i initially deleted the page and banned the user, thinking it was spam |
| [16:58:41] | iamlindoro: | It might not be spam, but it's obnoxious garbage |
| [16:58:46] | wagnerrp: | in any case, it really needs to be renamed and reworded to not be so derogatory |
| [16:58:58] | Jessica_Lily: | dekarl i've tried all of the lines |
| [16:59:00] | wagnerrp: | ive been meaning to put something along those lines on the discussion page |
| [16:59:03] | wagnerrp: | havent gotten around to it |
| [16:59:15] | iamlindoro: | like "Making MythTV more acceptable to non-technical users" or something like that |
| [16:59:22] | iamlindoro: | "Making MythTV Family Friendly" |
| [16:59:25] | iamlindoro: | or whatever |
| [16:59:27] | iamlindoro: | but grow the F up |
| [16:59:46] | iamlindoro: | sheesh |
| [17:00:32] | dekarl: | Jessica_Lily: no idea what else it could be. |
| [17:00:39] | Jessica_Lily: | me ether |
| [17:01:07] | iamlindoro: | Jessica_Lily: You don't have the backend running right now, right? Anything in dmesg? What did you set as your default frequency table? |
| [17:02:08] | iamlindoro: | Logs of mythtv-setup, possibly with -v channelscan,siparser,record during a scan might be helpful, too |
| [17:02:29] | Jessica_Lily: | okay i'll divert it into a file and pastebin it :) |
| [17:04:58] | Jessica_Lily: | ehh its not starting with -v |
| [17:05:33] | Jessica_Lily: | `mythtv-setup -v > debugtxt` |
| [17:05:36] | iamlindoro: | no |
| [17:05:39] | Jessica_Lily: | .txt not txt :P |
| [17:05:47] | iamlindoro: | mythtv-setup -v channelscan,siparser,record |
| [17:05:53] | Jessica_Lily: | hokay |
| [17:06:31] | Jessica_Lily: | and its started |
| [17:06:37] | Jessica_Lily: | try and scan again? |
| [17:06:51] | iamlindoro: | yes |
| [17:06:59] | Jessica_Lily: | full scan? |
| [17:07:04] | iamlindoro: | tuned |
| [17:07:23] | Jessica_Lily: | okay |
| [17:07:28] | Jessica_Lily: | same values as before? |
| [17:08:14] | Jessica_Lily: | where does it log to btw? |
| [17:08:21] | iamlindoro: | To the console |
| [17:08:38] | dekarl: | iamlindoro: btw, I'm putting the link to the movie/episode details into the url field (I do it so one can quickly go to the upstream site and fix wrong metadata, but it might as well be abused to guess inetrefs from) Do you like the idea of scraping the correct ids from the url? See http://xmltv.spaetfruehstuecken.org/xmltv/dis . . . e_2011-09-05 for an example |
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| [17:10:43] | Jessica_Lily: | done a scan |
| [17:11:28] | Jessica_Lily: | ugh its opened in a non-standard terminal (xterm i believe?) how do i go about pastebining it |
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| [17:13:28] | Hydr0p0nX: | k, so recording works, now to figure out why i'm not getting sound |
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| [17:15:34] | wagnerrp: | Hydr0p0nX: its possible your old wintv card doesnt actually record sound |
| [17:16:06] | wagnerrp: | just one of many reasons why we discourage the use of framegrabbers |
| [17:20:45] | Jessica_Lily: | iamlindoro.. how do i pastebin this to you |
| [17:21:03] | wagnerrp: | pastebin.com |
| [17:21:18] | Jessica_Lily: | i know of a pastebin, i don't know how to copy it from this terminal it uses |
| [17:22:37] | wagnerrp: | select it in the terminal, middle click to paste into the edit window in the browser |
| [17:23:46] | wagnerrp: | or if you want something a bit more automated, there are utilities you can install that will take text from a file or stdin, and push it to pastebin |
| [17:23:52] | Jessica_Lily: | how do i select it all? |
| [17:23:57] | Jessica_Lily: | i know wgetpaste and nopaste |
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| [17:27:02] | Seeker`: | argh, _still_ getting my card crashing at least once a day :/ |
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| [17:54:07] | Hydr0p0nX: | k |
| [17:54:17] | Hydr0p0nX: | think i have it straightened out now maybe |
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| [18:09:06] | EvilGuru: | Bah, I have now been waiting two weeks for my PCTV 290e to arrive, seems as if there is a stock shortage |
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| [18:24:58] | lapion: | is there any way to pause the queue ? |
| [18:27:27] | [R]: | what the queue |
| [18:36:00] | iamlindoro: | Effin' web site designers |
| [18:36:32] | iamlindoro: | clowns can't make their code authenticate properly with our SMTP server, so they want the whole IP block for our hosting added to relay without authentication |
| [18:36:45] | iamlindoro: | umm, no. |
| [18:37:06] | laga: | well, why do you let designers code? |
| [18:37:56] | iamlindoro: | I should specify that my ire is directed at our web site people, and not web site people in general, many of whom are certainly competent professionals :) |
| [18:38:03] | laga: | ;) |
| [18:38:25] | iamlindoro: | It's just very, very hard to word responses in a way that won't be blatantly offensive |
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| [18:43:28] | dekarl: | iamlindoro: I use "nice try, denied!" :D |
| [18:44:37] | iamlindoro: | heh |
| [18:47:11] | Jessica_Lily: | you guys thought of anything which might be preventing this working |
| [18:53:44] | iamlindoro: | It's all just guesswork until you produce logs |
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| [19:07:35] | Hydr0p0nX: | something special you have to do to make sound work with bt878 drivers? |
| [19:08:06] | [R]: | rofl |
| [19:08:09] | [R]: | sacrifice a virgin? |
| [19:08:16] | [R]: | seriously, get a decent card |
| [19:09:36] | Hydr0p0nX: | seems to work fine for my needs otherwise ... i'll look at upgrading it later |
| [19:10:27] | [R]: | lol |
| [19:10:40] | [R]: | yeah, except for the whoel sound thing |
| [19:10:41] | [R]: | thats all |
| [19:12:49] | Hydr0p0nX: | yea, i'll get that going soon, a simple question asked that didn't require sarcasm |
| [19:13:10] | Hydr0p0nX: | a simple, yes it can work or no it won't was good enough |
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| [19:15:06] | wagnerrp: | Hydr0p0nX: as mentioned, some brooktree cards simply dont have sound |
| [19:16:08] | wagnerrp: | if the device is exposing an ALSA or OSS capture interface, tell mythtv to use it |
| [19:16:31] | wagnerrp: | otherwise, you may have to get a patch cable, and route the audio through your sound card line-in for capture |
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| [19:26:01] | Jessica_Lily: | iamlindoro i asked how |
| [19:26:15] | Jessica_Lily: | it seems to open a separate terminal xterm or something |
| [19:26:21] | Jessica_Lily: | and it won't allow me to select all |
| [19:26:38] | wagnerrp: | what opens up a separate xterm? |
| [19:28:27] | Jessica_Lily: | okay if i do mythtv-setup it fires a new terminal (xterm i think) |
| [19:28:59] | wagnerrp: | no it doesnt |
| [19:29:14] | Jessica_Lily: | i would love to agree with you, but i can't dispute what I can see |
| [19:29:31] | Jessica_Lily: | it does |
| [19:29:53] | wagnerrp: | are you running mythbuntu? |
| [19:30:01] | Jessica_Lily: | nope, just ubuntu |
| [19:30:18] | wagnerrp: | did you compile mythtv yourself, or are you using packages provided by the mythbuntu project? |
| [19:31:34] | Jessica_Lily: | nah, i grabbed it from the repo's |
| [19:31:38] | Jessica_Lily: | I can compile it if you wish |
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| [19:31:55] | wagnerrp: | if you grabbed it from the repos, you are using mythbuntu's packages |
| [19:32:08] | wagnerrp: | in mythbuntu, you dont actually run mythtv-setup |
| [19:32:24] | wagnerrp: | you run some script, which in turn runs mythtv-setup, which has been renamed to mythtv-setup.real |
| [19:32:40] | wagnerrp: | mythtv-setup is not opening that xterm, the script provided by mythbuntu is |
| [19:32:57] | Jessica_Lily: | Okay then, thanks, I'll run the new one. |
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| [19:40:12] | dekarl: | Jessica_Lily: just remember, the wrapper takes care of stopping/starting the backend (if it works) you got to take care of stopping the backend yourself if you use mythtv-setup.real ;) |
| [19:40:40] | Jessica_Lily: | :P |
| [19:40:47] | Jessica_Lily: | thats fine i'll use the service command |
| [19:41:02] | dekarl: | sounds good |
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| [19:52:55] | Jessica_Lily: | dekarl what were the flags? |
| [19:53:07] | Jessica_Lily: | -v siparser,record |
| [19:53:10] | Jessica_Lily: | there was another |
| [19:53:47] | Jessica_Lily: | channelscan |
| [19:54:42] | Jessica_Lily: | dekarl would you like just a fullscan or tuned? |
| [20:05:25] | Jessica_Lily: | dekarl http://pastie.org/2487545 is the one of just a scan (without tuning) |
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| [21:00:38] | skd5aner: | Beirdo: you around? |
| [21:04:32] | DeviceZer0: | hello all. I just went to check my mythweb and its not fully loading the page..i tried clearing the cache and cookies...but still no luck...so i tried opening in my backup browser(chrome) and it shows this: |
| [21:04:34] | DeviceZer0: | Warning at /usr/share/mythtv/mythweb/includes/translate.php, line 158: |
| [21:04:34] | DeviceZer0: | file_get_contents(/_shared/lang/English.lang): failed to open stream: No such file or directory |
| [21:05:00] | DeviceZer0: | i have not touched anything to do with mythweb in well over a month....any ideas what this might be due too? or how i can fix it? |
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| [21:09:56] | skd5aner: | iamlindoro: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Wives_and_Girlfriends – doesn't even mention the acronym "WAF" :S |
| [21:10:45] | DeviceZer0: | even after doing a apt purge of mythweb its still not working |
| [21:10:47] | DeviceZer0: | :( |
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| [22:45:54] | westlock: | I'm down 40 – Love versus mythtv right now with dual 2250s. Following #99 the great one here http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1567490&page=10 |
| [22:46:52] | westlock: | Encountering blue screen and brief video only 1 or 2 secs poof... |
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| [22:48:15] | westlock: | Will also need help with the pulse of the tv world as in pulseaudio. |
| [22:49:09] | [R]: | sure, disalbe it... problem solved |
| [22:49:31] | wagnerrp: | are you speaking some form of code? |
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| [23:06:08] | westlock: | Just working on getting an IRC client up on the frontend right now. |
| [23:06:31] | westlock: | Then I can cut and paste logs of ./mythfrontend |
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| [23:09:18] | [R]: | you shan't be pasting logs in here... |
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| [23:14:17] | wagnerrp: | westlock: cant you just run mythfrontend remotely anyway? |
| [23:15:12] | wagnerrp: | and why would you be running './mythfrontend' anyway |
| [23:15:21] | wagnerrp: | that would imply your current directly is /usr/local/bin/ |
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| [23:16:48] | westlock1: | okay irc up on the frontend |
| [23:17:00] | westlock1: | fonts are just huge. |
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| [23:23:03] | tgm4883: | On 0.24, whats the best way to delete recordings that the backend cannot find? I'm in mythweb and have this recordings showing up in the deleted items, but I don't see them in the frontend |
| [23:23:24] | westlock1: | http://pastebin.com/EwWpvbPz |
| [23:23:36] | westlock1: | That is from the frontend. |
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| [23:27:00] | westlock: | http://pastebin.com/HayEZxrt and the backend log |
| [23:28:32] | westlock: | Not sure how to configure these two 2250 cards in the setup. Following http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1567490&page=10 on post 99 seems to be a solution. |
| [23:33:25] | westlock: | I'm failing when setting up the proper adapters and input groups. |
| [23:38:43] | westlock: | In /dev/dvb I have adapter0 adapter1 adapter2 adapter3 and in /dev/ I have video0 video1 video2 video3 |
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| [23:41:01] | westlock: | Would be great to see some screenshots of how it can be done. Yes I'll need a picture. |
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| [23:45:27] | westlock: | I'm only running ./mythfrontend to view the output. I can run it from the start menu if need be. |
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| [23:46:06] | westlock: | back in 15 |
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| [23:47:14] | wagnerrp: | westlock: the -2250 has two hybrid tuners, each with an encoder |
| [23:47:25] | wagnerrp: | adapter0 and video0 cannot be used at the same time |
| [23:47:33] | wagnerrp: | adapter1 and video1 cannot be used at the same time |
| [23:47:35] | wagnerrp: | etc.. |
| [23:47:45] | wagnerrp: | so you add all eight inputs through their respective types |
| [23:48:01] | wagnerrp: | and then you add the mutually exclusive inputs each to their own input group |
| [23:50:47] | hoolio: | anyone here live in seattle? |
| [23:51:30] | wagnerrp: | many |
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