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| [00:03:59] | Bhaal: | Hey guys, how stable is the dev of 0.25 at the moment? |
| [00:04:23] | Bhaal: | I am liking some of the new features I am seeing and really want to get them onto my setup.. |
| [00:04:45] | Bhaal: | Just wondering if anyone is running the dev of 0.25 yet? |
| [00:04:57] | k-man: | lots of people run it I think |
| [00:05:19] | k-man: | I have been playing with it on a test machine and it seems fine, but I'm not really using it in anger |
| [00:06:55] | Bhaal: | I don't have a wife/girlfriend to worry about, just kids who whine when they TV doesnt work when they expect it to :) |
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| [00:07:22] | Bhaal: | I don't have a test backend I can setup, so its all or nothing for me... |
| [00:07:25] | k-man: | Bhaal, go for it then ;) |
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| [00:07:49] | k-man: | my understanding is that most of the devs run dev all the time |
| [00:07:59] | k-man: | and have no problems with it |
| [00:08:10] | iamlindoro: | That is extraordinarily bad advice |
| [00:08:10] | Bhaal: | k-man: Other stumbling block is ubuntu 10.04 .. will it run on that? |
| [00:08:25] | k-man: | there you go – don't listen to me |
| [00:08:40] | iamlindoro: | We run master because we're the ones attempting to hammer it into something releasable |
| [00:08:50] | iamlindoro: | We break it constantly |
| [00:08:57] | Bhaal: | iamlindoro: I am not in an office, and only have myself and 2 rugrats to worry about... |
| [00:09:16] | iamlindoro: | meaning any given commit could have a major, dangerous, recording-preventing bugs |
| [00:09:25] | k-man: | Bhaal, do you have an alternative option if mythtv is inopperable? |
| [00:09:57] | Bhaal: | k-man: Um no... hehe, none of the TVs have antennas plugged in, just PCs |
| [00:10:06] | Bhaal: | hehe |
| [00:10:08] | Bhaal: | Hrm... |
| [00:10:12] | k-man: | Bhaal, how old are your kids? |
| [00:10:29] | Bhaal: | k-man: not old enough to use a remote :) |
| [00:11:07] | k-man: | mine is 2.5 – and he knows the remote does something – I haven't tought him the keys yet |
| [00:11:13] | k-man: | I expect he could learn if I did |
| [00:11:16] | Bhaal: | I am most interested in the extra metadata stuff, and some of the other things I have read about |
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| [00:11:49] | Bhaal: | k-man: Yeah, my son is 2.5, and my daughter is 4.5 .. they both know what the remote is and what its for, but not how to use it... |
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| [00:12:20] | Bhaal: | My son gets out of bed in the morning and wakes me up by shoving the remote in my face... |
| [00:14:40] | Bhaal: | Just wondering whether or not to waste a couple of hours writing a script to push metadata into the database and artwork into the storage group artwork folders manually or not... |
| [00:16:29] | iamlindoro: | Why would you need a script for that? |
| [00:17:37] | Bhaal: | iamlindoro: coz I don't like running the scan or retrieve data options from a frontend coz it has a bad habit of crashing the frontend of late... |
| [00:17:56] | Bhaal: | iamlindoro: And I only need to do it for 1 file at a time |
| [00:18:16] | iamlindoro: | If you have issues with scanning or metadata lookup, you need to produce backtraces |
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| [00:18:54] | iamlindoro: | if you are manually inserting data into the DB when those fields expect to be filled by Myth code, then you'll only have yourself to blame when some incorrect assumption causes your data to get chewed up |
| [00:20:42] | iamlindoro: | That said, if you are on 10.04, then first and foremost you need to update to .24-fixes, not master |
| [00:20:56] | iamlindoro: | on 10.04 you are likely running .23, which is pretty woefully out of date |
| [00:21:20] | iamlindoro: | actually, on 10.04, unless you're using the Mythbuntu PPA, you're not even running .23-- you're running something from development a few hundred commits before .23 |
| [00:21:29] | Bhaal: | Err no, its actually mythbuntu and I am running the myth-repos package so am updating mythTV all the time... |
| [00:21:47] | iamlindoro: | Then you should update to .24-fixes, and if you are geting crashes, you need to produce backtraces |
| [00:22:49] | iamlindoro: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Debugging |
| [00:23:59] | Bhaal: | I am running the fixes... |
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| [00:24:35] | iamlindoro: | pastebin the output on mythbckend --version |
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| [00:24:48] | iamlindoro: | and again, need a backtrace, see wiki page above |
| [00:24:54] | iamlindoro: | er mythbackend --version |
| [00:25:04] | Bhaal: | And I have narrowed the problem down to being some kind of overflow relevent to having A LOT of artwork queued to download, on a slow connection, and eventually it bails out... |
| [00:25:20] | Bhaal: | On a fast connection its not a problem... |
| [00:25:39] | iamlindoro: | let the experts narrow down problems ;) |
| [00:25:47] | iamlindoro: | just produce a working backtrace |
| [00:26:30] | Bhaal: | can't at the moment, but will endeavour to do so |
| [00:29:43] | Seeker`: | mythtv is vastly more complicated than it originally appears, and a lot of errors seem to mean something other than they would make you think, which the devs are magically able to translate |
| [00:31:16] | iamlindoro: | It helps to have written the last three or four implementations of the code |
| [00:31:41] | Seeker`: | well, yes :P |
| [00:31:56] | Seeker`: | which is what the rest of us are missing |
| [00:36:10] | Bhaal: | iamlindoro: A better response to my quick description of the problem, and my idea of whats actually happening would be "Thats a possibility, grab a backtrace and send it to us so we can hopefully fix it, thanks" ... |
| [00:36:43] | Bhaal: | belittling me is not the best way to get help debugging something... |
| [00:36:56] | iamlindoro: | Nobody has belittled you |
| [00:37:11] | iamlindoro: | You are the one wanting help, nobody else is reporting your issue |
| [00:37:25] | iamlindoro: | I am happy to help you, but your diagnosis is almost definitely incorrect |
| [00:37:39] | Bhaal: | No one else probably got stuck on a 256k/256k connection for a couple of weeks :) |
| [00:37:47] | iamlindoro: | So if you are unwilling or unable to provide the requested information, then there's not much I can do for you |
| [00:38:17] | iamlindoro: | Sorry I didn't treat you in the manner you were looking for, but I'm literally the one human being capable of quickly diagnosing and fixing your problem |
| [00:38:31] | Bhaal: | :) |
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| [00:39:18] | iamlindoro: | So best of luck if you're not interested in producing the information, or in demanding service as though I were your employee-- you'll be in for a long wait. |
| [00:39:32] | Bhaal: | I never demanded anything :) |
| [00:39:49] | Bhaal: | I actually came here asking about 0.25 .. the other issue is not of major concern to me :) |
| [00:40:28] | Bhaal: | As mentioned, I would expect few people to have the problem I did.. |
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| [00:41:05] | Seeker`: | Bhaal: that depends on whether the problem is what you think it is or something else |
| [00:44:04] | Bhaal: | Thing is, I cannot duplicate the error now, my connection is not capped any more and I really don't feel like blowing away metadata and artwork for ~5000 video files and then shaping my connection... Not *right* now anyway... |
| [00:45:49] | iamlindoro: | This whole thing started because you said you needed to write a script to replace the functionality of the code because it was causing you crashes |
| [00:45:59] | iamlindoro: | So it sounds like that script isn't necessary then |
| [00:46:49] | Bhaal: | Well... no, I am not feeding you additional information as I know you are more then likely going to jump down my throat at the mere mention of it... |
| [00:47:14] | iamlindoro: | Just trying to protect you from yourself-- you need to know the metadata formatting very intimately to be able to insert it properly, and there are probably three people who know it well enough not to break anything-- maybe two |
| [00:47:22] | Seeker`: | witholding information isn't the best way to go about fixing a bug that appears to only affect you |
| [00:48:22] | iamlindoro: | Especially when future development is based upon operating on data inserted properly-- so when you decide to upgrade in the future and you've left the database in an undefined state, and it all gets chewed up, we definitely don't want another instance of "Myth sucks" on whatever public forum that user can find, which often happens |
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| [00:48:56] | Bhaal: | I wasnt trying to fix a bug.. I was trying to avoid having to run a scan on a frontend all the time.... |
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| [00:50:01] | Bhaal: | iamlindoro: I am not a forum poster... And I have been using myth since its very early days, back when it was almost just a front end for other existing programs... |
| [00:50:04] | iamlindoro: | The aim isn't relevant-- the consequences of your actions are. If you insert the data improperly, then assumptions made by the actual code in .25, or in current master, could cause you data loss or worse |
| [00:50:34] | iamlindoro: | There are multiple supported methods of not having to use the frontend to scan |
| [00:50:59] | iamlindoro: | in .24, JAMU or the basic python scanner from the wiki, on master, running "mythbackend --scanvideos" |
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| [00:51:08] | iamlindoro: | both scan and insert metadata properly |
| [00:51:23] | Bhaal: | I have tried that and it doesnt work, the option isnt even there |
| [00:51:36] | k-man: | Bhaal, which? |
| [00:51:42] | iamlindoro: | like I said, only in master |
| [00:51:43] | Bhaal: | Sorry |
| [00:51:58] | Bhaal: | Ahhh not in fixes right ... for the --scanvideos |
| [00:52:03] | iamlindoro: | Correct |
| [00:52:12] | Bhaal: | ANd the python script dies as well... |
| [00:52:30] | iamlindoro: | Which did you use? |
| [00:52:50] | Bhaal: | The python script from the wiki |
| [00:52:55] | iamlindoro: | Which one? |
| [00:53:03] | iamlindoro: | And what was the error? |
| [00:53:06] | Bhaal: | there is more then one? |
| [00:53:25] | iamlindoro: | Yes, there are several scripts in the wiki which purport to scan videos |
| [00:53:45] | Bhaal: | The one that says it works with 0.24 |
| [00:53:48] | iamlindoro: | There is only one which was written by the author of the python bindings |
| [00:54:04] | wagnerrp: | specifically, he means the one written by me, which is basically just a wrapper around the scanning and metadata grabbing capabilities of the bindings |
| [00:54:05] | iamlindoro: | OK, so link me to the one you used, and pastebin the error |
| [00:54:56] | wagnerrp: | Bhaal: are you talking about the one that has a big note of deprecation at the top of it? |
| [00:55:07] | wagnerrp: | actually, i should use skd5aner's new EOL2 for that... |
| [00:56:12] | Bhaal: | wagnerrp: yes, it is yours |
| [00:56:17] | Bhaal: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Myth_video_scan.py |
| [00:56:22] | wagnerrp: | i need to see the error to assist |
| [00:56:28] | iamlindoro: | OK, so pastebin the error and we can help you with it |
| [00:56:31] | Bhaal: | Waiting for it to come up :) |
| [00:57:59] | Bhaal: | http://pastebin.com/7GPSEHRL |
| [00:59:45] | wagnerrp: | how is there no cast attribute... |
| [01:00:04] | Bhaal: | I... dont know? :) |
| [01:00:32] | iamlindoro: | old bindings? |
| [01:00:46] | Seeker`: | did Bhaal ever do mythbackend --version? |
| [01:00:48] | wagnerrp: | not based off those filenames |
| [01:01:01] | wagnerrp: | thats definitely 0.24 |
| [01:01:16] | iamlindoro: | Would probably help to know what was being looked up |
| [01:01:55] | Bhaal: | http://pastebin.com/uAz2dtg6 |
| [01:02:01] | cal_: | my system still gets 'error opening jump file' when i switch from one HD channel to another... (it works if i switch to an SD channel first and then to another HD channel).. is this a configuration issue somewhere on my part most likely? |
| [01:02:44] | Bhaal: | Output from script start to finish: http://pastebin.com/fEi5sNfD |
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| [01:05:02] | wagnerrp: | yeah, that shouldnt be happening |
| [01:05:09] | Bhaal: | wagnerrp: Is there a way I scan in an individual file and give it the inetref at the same time, to stop the whole "too many matches" thing from happening? |
| [01:05:52] | wagnerrp: | not with that script |
| [01:05:55] | Bhaal: | Thats all I want to do... And then would be handy if it ran off and grabbed meta data... |
| [01:06:04] | Bhaal: | But are the bindings there? |
| [01:06:28] | Bhaal: | I don't know python sadly .. but I can fumble something together if I can figure out the bindings... |
| [01:06:42] | wagnerrp: | the bindings just return the results from the metadata search, and then insert whatever result you choose into the database |
| [01:08:30] | wagnerrp: | the script itself just determines that if more than one result is found, it cannot properly make a selection |
| [01:09:06] | Bhaal: | Also, I noticed something wrong with the tvdb python script, if it gets a positive result for season and episode numbers it should stop looking... |
| [01:09:28] | wagnerrp: | huh? |
| [01:09:43] | Bhaal: | Coz some shows, like 'Spooks' the episode names are "Episode 1", "Episode 2", etc etc |
| [01:10:19] | Bhaal: | So when they are scanned, either by the tvdb script or by mythvideo, they don't get put into the DB properly... |
| [01:10:37] | Bhaal: | The file name is "Spooks – S01E01 – Episode 1.avi" .... |
| [01:10:43] | wagnerrp: | the tvdb script does not scan file names |
| [01:10:43] | Bhaal: | See where I am going? |
| [01:10:55] | wagnerrp: | all it knows is the information given to it by the application that calls it |
| [01:10:56] | Bhaal: | Ah well mythvideo has a hiccup then... |
| [01:11:04] | Bhaal: | righto |
| [01:11:16] | wagnerrp: | and all it receives is the inetref, season, and episode number |
| [01:12:16] | Bhaal: | Hmmm, does the tvdb script update the database with metadata even when called from command line? or does it just output the xml and exit? |
| [01:12:50] | wagnerrp: | the tvdb script doesnt touch the database, ever |
| [01:12:56] | wagnerrp: | it just outputs xml |
| [01:13:01] | wagnerrp: | and that filename format is not compliant |
| [01:13:21] | Bhaal: | Alright, sorry for jumping all over the place, any idea what might be going wrong with the myth_video_scan.py script? |
| [01:13:29] | Bhaal: | Its not compliant? |
| [01:13:44] | wagnerrp: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythVideo_File_Parsing |
| [01:14:48] | Bhaal: | no hyphens ... hmm |
| [01:14:49] | wagnerrp: | hmm... actually it should be |
| [01:14:57] | iamlindoro: | It's not |
| [01:14:58] | wagnerrp: | the regular expression is barfing on the subtitle |
| [01:15:31] | iamlindoro: | You can't use the word "Episode" unless you also use the word "season" in the path or filename |
| [01:15:55] | wagnerrp: | hes saying "Episode 1" is actually the subtitle |
| [01:15:58] | wagnerrp: | http://thetvdb.com/?tab=season&seriesid=7 . . . 07&lid=7 |
| [01:16:02] | Bhaal: | In the case of "Spooks" the word "Episode" is the subtitle name |
| [01:16:06] | wagnerrp: | meaning the series itself is non-compliant |
| [01:16:09] | iamlindoro: | right, you can't put the subtitle in the filename in those cases |
| [01:16:44] | iamlindoro: | Just like a subtitle of "1x99" or whatever wouldn't be a usable subtitle |
| [01:16:49] | wagnerrp: | anyway, if youre ever curious |
| [01:16:55] | wagnerrp: | run 'mythpython' on the command line |
| [01:17:11] | wagnerrp: | and then "vid = Video.fromFilename('your filename')" |
| [01:17:24] | wagnerrp: | it will populate vid.title, .subtitle, .season, and .episode |
| [01:17:34] | wagnerrp: | it uses the same regular expressions as mythvideo does internally |
| [01:17:45] | wagnerrp: | so it should match what mythvideo scans the files in as |
| [01:18:18] | wagnerrp: | but this cast AttributeError... it just makes no sense |
| [01:18:38] | wagnerrp: | importMetadata can only be called on a created (pushed to database) object |
| [01:18:41] | wagnerrp: | and it does that |
| [01:18:43] | Bhaal: | wagnerrp: full path to file in that 'your filename' ? |
| [01:18:56] | wagnerrp: | and part of the creation mechanism is to spawn the 'cast' attribute |
| [01:19:07] | wagnerrp: | relative path from the base of the storage group |
| [01:19:12] | Bhaal: | ok |
| [01:19:47] | Bhaal: | wagnerrp: You want me to do this to try and generate that error on that file yes? |
| [01:20:39] | wagnerrp: | what error? |
| [01:20:56] | wagnerrp: | no, im just saying if a file doesnt seem to be importing correctly |
| [01:20:56] | Bhaal: | the cast error |
| [01:21:03] | Bhaal: | Ahhh ok |
| [01:21:08] | wagnerrp: | thats a quick way to test what mythvideo will see it as |
| [01:28:03] | Bhaal: | I just removed the symlink to the folder that file is in to see what it does... |
| [01:30:58] | Bhaal: | Will that script also trigger the downloading of artwork? |
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| [01:32:46] | Bhaal: | Wow, it spawned jamu ??? |
| [01:33:09] | wagnerrp: | what spawned jamu? |
| [01:35:37] | Bhaal: | A cron script... |
| [01:35:45] | Bhaal: | it got stuck back on the 22 Aug hehe |
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| [01:36:18] | Bhaal: | I thought it was your script sorry |
| [01:37:00] | Bhaal: | I removed the symlink, ran your sctript, it removed what it was meant to, then I found that jamu stuff running, so I killed it all, and put the symlink back and running your script again... |
| [01:37:06] | Bhaal: | see what happens |
| [01:38:06] | Bhaal: | Hrm, it still has a cow with the same episode name... |
| [01:39:28] | wagnerrp: | the Spooks or CSI episode? |
| [01:40:00] | Bhaal: | csi |
| [01:40:11] | Bhaal: | I will try renaming it |
| [01:40:27] | wagnerrp: | its not a filename issue |
| [01:40:35] | Bhaal: | It wouldnt be anything to do with hash generation? I thought it would be mythvideo doign that? |
| [01:41:09] | wagnerrp: | no, its an attribute error |
| [01:41:20] | wagnerrp: | the Video object is not being set up in the manner it is supposed to |
| [01:41:22] | wagnerrp: | and i dont know why |
| [01:41:34] | Bhaal: | Any code you want me to add to debug with? |
| [01:43:06] | wagnerrp: | not off hand |
| [01:46:11] | Bhaal: | How do I print the object to screen? |
| [01:46:45] | wagnerrp: | |
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| [01:50:59] | Bhaal: | http://pastebin.com/RKNruKWP |
| [01:51:02] | Bhaal: | Is that helpful? |
| [01:52:43] | Bhaal: | Err, I did print matches |
| [01:52:49] | Bhaal: | instead of print matches[0] |
| [01:52:56] | Bhaal: | <-- knows little about python |
| [01:55:20] | Bhaal: | http://pastebin.com/0pXci9aE |
| [01:55:26] | Bhaal: | Thats matches[0] |
| [01:57:24] | wagnerrp: | cast wont show up in that list anyway |
| [01:57:37] | wagnerrp: | since its a database attribute, and not a dictionary item |
| [01:57:50] | wagnerrp: | erm... object attribute |
| [01:58:52] | Bhaal: | 'cast' as a programming term, or 'cast' as in cast of people in show? |
| [02:01:37] | wagnerrp: | cast as in, an attribute that is supposed to be defined in the Video object once it is paired to a database entry |
| [02:04:47] | wagnerrp: | note to self, when a game seems like its trying to force a weapon on you, and giving you a bunch of ammo for it |
| [02:04:57] | wagnerrp: | ... perhaps the next area will be easier if you pick it up |
| [02:06:32] | Bhaal: | Ohhh sorry, am I interrupting game play? |
| [02:06:35] | k-man: | hehe, that's how I felt in my maths lectures |
| [02:08:34] | Bhaal: | You how ad detection works based on blank frames... |
| [02:08:59] | Bhaal: | Would it be possible to do it based on the TV station logo which is almost always present these days..? |
| [02:09:18] | k-man: | Bhaal, isnt' there already attempts to do that? |
| [02:09:20] | iamlindoro: | commercial detection already uses logo detection |
| [02:09:21] | Bhaal: | harder I know... But just a thought... |
| [02:09:27] | Bhaal: | ohhh |
| [02:09:33] | ** Bhaal shuts up ** | |
| [02:09:54] | Bhaal: | Is this in 0.24? |
| [02:10:00] | k-man: | tv stations should make the logo randomly move around the screen to make it harder |
| [02:10:07] | iamlindoro: | it's been there for years |
| [02:10:13] | k-man: | and annoy the hell out of viewer |
| [02:10:14] | k-man: | s |
| [02:10:29] | iamlindoro: | so yes, in .24 (and .23, and .22, and .21, and .20...) |
| [02:11:46] | Bhaal: | I guess I just have looked hard enough, Always found the fast forward button to be acceptable :) |
| [02:12:24] | Bhaal: | But then I grew up during the VHA BETA wars... So I know how annoying fastforwarding on a VCR is... |
| [02:15:29] | k-man: | according to the wiki, it is configured "Commercial detection can be configured within the 'General' page of 'Utilities/Setup > Setup > TV settings > General' in mythfrontend' but I don't see a tv settings menu in maste |
| [02:15:34] | k-man: | master |
| [02:15:38] | k-man: | has it moved? |
| [02:16:41] | iamlindoro: | Setup->Video->General |
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| [02:19:31] | k-man: | so does logo detection determine the location of the logo that it is detecting automaticaly? |
| [02:19:57] | iamlindoro: | yes |
| [02:20:17] | k-man: | cool |
| [02:21:22] | Bhaal: | Mine was set to use all types of detection, but I must admit, its been incredibly unreliable... I just changed to to blank frame + logo detection which is apparently experimental... |
| [02:21:39] | iamlindoro: | Those methods aren't experimental |
| [02:21:51] | iamlindoro: | Experimental has to do with the decoding method used |
| [02:22:20] | iamlindoro: | Experimental uses a decode method which only decodes 25% of the pixels to speed up commflagging at the cost of accuracy |
| [02:22:39] | Bhaal: | Oh |
| [02:23:08] | Bhaal: | So I am probably even less likely to get ads detected... joy... |
| [02:23:53] | Bhaal: | If I am getting very few hits, what is possibly wrong? |
| [02:25:33] | iamlindoro: | The accuracy of commflagging is purely dependent on whether the programming being flagged lends itself to being accurately flagged... nothing you can do about it one way or another, besides experimenting with the different methods |
| [02:26:10] | k-man: | Bhaal, there was recently some discussion about commflagging in Australia on the shepherd mailing list iirc |
| [02:26:38] | k-man: | i've never really used it as I hardly watch any commercial TV |
| [02:31:15] | Beirdo: | OMG |
| [02:31:39] | Beirdo: | I think our reigning 5-time champion just got eliminated in the playoffs (Fantasy Baseball)! |
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| [02:32:46] | Beirdo: | he got beat 838–814 on a 2-week head to head. |
| [02:32:47] | Beirdo: | hehe |
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| [02:33:28] | Beirdo: | which means (yay!) he can't eliminate me next round... someone else can though |
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| [03:37:06] | oobe: | find_orphans doesnt seem to work for me http://pastebin.com/9V9975YP |
| [03:37:19] | oobe: | I am using what I copied and pasted from the wiki page |
| [03:38:35] | [R]: | your python bindings dont match your backend probably |
| [03:40:11] | wagnerrp: | ding ding |
| [03:40:37] | wagnerrp: | you are running 0.24 bindings against trunk |
| [03:40:41] | wagnerrp: | that will not work |
| [03:41:46] | k-man: | I found that my bindings were not being compiled because I had some missing libs |
| [03:42:04] | k-man: | which may be the problem you are encountering |
| [03:43:28] | Bhaal: | Did some of the tvdb stuff for 0.25 get backported to 0.24+fixes ?? Ive noticed that Recorded TV is now getting artwork for TV shows which otherwise hasnt.. And they arent shows I have in MythVideo... |
| [03:44:00] | wagnerrp: | because you ran JAMU |
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| [03:44:29] | wagnerrp: | JAMU provided artwork for both mythvideo and recordings |
| [03:44:31] | Bhaal: | Ohhhhhh... Well I didn't run it, it just ran... |
| [03:44:41] | wagnerrp: | which is why even when mythvideo got a bulk scanner in 0.24 |
| [03:44:42] | Bhaal: | It got run on Aug 22... |
| [03:44:50] | Bhaal: | Said it came out of cron.hourly |
| [03:44:51] | wagnerrp: | jamu was not removed until recordings got metadata support in 0.25 |
| [03:45:17] | skd5aner: | some distros set up cron jobs for jamu automatically |
| [03:45:38] | Bhaal: | mythbuntu... |
| [03:45:44] | skd5aner: | like that one |
| [03:46:04] | Bhaal: | Ohhhh, its new, seems it went in on the 21st Aug... |
| [03:46:40] | skd5aner: | what did? |
| [03:46:50] | iamlindoro: | Mythbuntu has had a JAMU cronjob for recording artwork for three versions of MythTV |
| [03:46:56] | iamlindoro: | since .22 |
| [03:47:06] | skd5aner: | yea, I was gonna say – it's been there for a long time in mythbuntu |
| [03:47:20] | iamlindoro: | So Aug 21 2009 maybe ;) |
| [03:47:29] | skd5aner: | those were the days |
| [03:47:30] | Bhaal: | Weird, its never worked before... |
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| [03:47:45] | skd5aner: | I was moving into my newly built house basically on that date |
| [03:48:07] | Bhaal: | Nope, it was 8 days ago... |
| [03:48:09] | Bhaal: | weird... |
| [03:48:16] | wagnerrp: | 800 days ago |
| [03:48:29] | Bhaal: | Or it got updated then *shrug* |
| [03:48:38] | skd5aner: | Bhaal: well, jamu has required python modules, but perhaps you somehow didn't have them – but mythbuntu should come with them |
| [03:48:46] | skd5aner: | maybe they got removed or something |
| [03:48:54] | Bhaal: | Nah, python modules have always been there... |
| [03:49:13] | Bhaal: | I dunno, doesnt matter, I like it anyway :) |
| [03:49:20] | skd5aner: | well there you go |
| [03:50:18] | Bhaal: | Ohhh wait... I never had the storage groups setup... I only used samba mounts, and just switched to storage groups back on the 21st... |
| [03:50:25] | Bhaal: | That would be what started things... |
| [03:50:45] | wagnerrp: | recordings have used storage groups since 0.20, like four years ago |
| [03:50:57] | Bhaal: | Yeah I know, I just never set it up.. |
| [03:51:07] | Bhaal: | err |
| [03:51:08] | Bhaal: | sorry |
| [03:51:12] | Bhaal: | I mean mythvideo |
| [03:51:22] | wagnerrp: | but you were talking about artwork for recordings |
| [03:51:27] | Bhaal: | But I never had the metadata storage groups setup |
| [03:51:46] | Bhaal: | so yeah, no artwork |
| [03:51:55] | Bhaal: | it was all stored on local frontends |
| [03:52:00] | Bhaal: | under .mythtv ... |
| [03:52:13] | Bhaal: | I decided it was time to fix that... |
| [03:52:50] | Bhaal: | And got the storage groups setup correctly... I still have to use the samba though coz I have .asx files I use with mplayer from Mythvideo.. |
| [03:53:08] | wagnerrp: | the internal player wont handle asx? |
| [03:53:18] | Bhaal: | Not that I am aware of.. |
| [03:54:17] | wagnerrp: | i think it will |
| [03:54:25] | wagnerrp: | considering it uses the same decoding libraries as mplayer |
| [03:54:57] | Bhaal: | I will try, and will be very happy if it does... |
| [03:55:05] | wagnerrp: | use mythavtest |
| [04:00:02] | Bhaal: | Its not playing... |
| [04:00:07] | Bhaal: | .asx is a playlist remember |
| [04:00:16] | Bhaal: | It cannot seek properly.. |
| [04:00:29] | wagnerrp: | why would you be using playlists for anything? |
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| [04:00:47] | Bhaal: | streaming content... (mythnetvision doesnt work for me) |
| [04:01:43] | Bhaal: | I stream iView with it, which is like BBC's online video thing, or like hulu |
| [04:02:07] | wagnerrp: | i thought that was iPlayer |
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| [04:02:25] | Bhaal: | http://www.abc.net.au/iview |
| [04:03:23] | Bhaal: | I dont have a keyboard/mouse on this machine, so crazy stuff like mouse losing focus in mythnetvision, and not being easily controlled by remote just won't cut it... |
| [04:03:28] | Bhaal: | iview for the ABC tv website in .au .. |
| [04:03:35] | Bhaal: | (not like ABC in america) |
| [04:03:51] | k-man: | Bhaal, you watch iview in mythtv? |
| [04:03:57] | wagnerrp: | no |
| [04:04:00] | Bhaal: | k-man: yes.. |
| [04:04:08] | k-man: | cool |
| [04:04:09] | wagnerrp: | he watches iview in mplayer, apparently |
| [04:04:14] | k-man: | oh |
| [04:04:15] | k-man: | hehe |
| [04:04:26] | Bhaal: | wagnerrp: to be pedantic yes... |
| [04:04:35] | k-man: | Bhaal, oh that sounds interesting, how do you do that? |
| [04:04:39] | Bhaal: | But it allows me to fire it off from MythVideo |
| [04:04:47] | k-man: | Bhaal, you should document it on the wiki |
| [04:04:48] | wagnerrp: | for now... |
| [04:04:56] | Bhaal: | k-man: you need apache with php :) |
| [04:05:08] | k-man: | oh |
| [04:05:10] | Bhaal: | k-man: hell no, its not fully working... |
| [04:05:16] | k-man: | sounds non trivial |
| [04:06:45] | Bhaal: | I have a script which runs every 2 hours which strips the iview xml files, and generates .asx files, pointing at apache on my the backend machine, which then runs the flash streamer stuff dumping to stdout which apache essentially echos... |
| [04:07:05] | oobe: | wagnerrp, I uninstalled trunk and installed 24.1 fixes but some how my python bindings are still trunk? at least that is what I though before I asked |
| [04:07:21] | oobe: | I dont know how to fix it though |
| [04:07:21] | Bhaal: | It also does the flash authentication that iView requires... |
| [04:07:46] | wagnerrp: | oobe: err, youre right |
| [04:07:52] | k-man: | oobe, how did you install 24.1 fixes? |
| [04:08:00] | wagnerrp: | database is 0.24, bindings are trunk |
| [04:08:07] | wagnerrp: | in any case, you have a mismatch |
| [04:08:23] | Bhaal: | wagnerrp: any idea how to fix that other thing with your myth_scan script thingo? |
| [04:08:26] | wagnerrp: | you fix the mismatch by installing 0.24 |
| [04:08:40] | wagnerrp: | the bindings are installed with the mythtv core |
| [04:08:40] | oobe: | k-man, I installed from source but I recently installed the debian packages in hope of remediying it |
| [04:08:55] | wagnerrp: | Bhaal: no clue, it simply should not be failing in that manner |
| [04:09:16] | Bhaal: | Is it failing on data coming back from tvdb? |
| [04:09:21] | wagnerrp: | somewhere, somehow, you are short circuiting the object initialization |
| [04:09:29] | wagnerrp: | no, the object is not being set up properly |
| [04:09:32] | oobe: | I did a make uninstall from the master dir and did a make install in the 24.1 dir but it didnt fix it |
| [04:09:37] | Bhaal: | I havent changed anything.. |
| [04:09:39] | wagnerrp: | but i dont see how thats possible |
| [04:09:40] | k-man: | where are the bindings installed when you install from source? |
| [04:09:54] | oobe: | I dont know |
| [04:09:57] | wagnerrp: | i dont see any code path that could lead to that attribute not being defined |
| [04:10:02] | oobe: | that is kind of what Im wondering |
| [04:10:09] | oobe: | I used prefix=/usr |
| [04:10:17] | k-man: | oobe, oh, if you have the .24.1 source, do a configure in that directory and ensure that the libs are being built |
| [04:10:41] | k-man: | err... the bindings I should say |
| [04:11:11] | wagnerrp: | oobe: if the prefix is /usr or /usr/local, the bindings ignore it and install to where ever python wants them |
| [04:12:18] | oobe: | is it possible for me to search for the offending files and delete them manually then reinstall the .24 python bindings |
| [04:12:36] | oobe: | I assumed that is what I did with make uninstall but I guess it didnt happen that way |
| [04:12:41] | wagnerrp: | the 0.24 bindings should install right over top the 0.25 ones, without a problem |
| [04:13:05] | oobe: | that is what I thought too |
| [04:13:25] | k-man: | oobe, I had a similar problem – it turned out the bindings were not being built as I was missing some libs – when you run ./configure it will tell you if bindings are going to be built |
| [04:13:35] | oobe: | but I installed mythtv fixes from source and it didnt work then I installed the packages too |
| [04:13:56] | oobe: | k-man, yes I checked that thanks |
| [04:13:59] | k-man: | oobe, what distro |
| [04:14:02] | oobe: | debian |
| [04:15:06] | k-man: | maybe you are missing the .deb of python bindings or something? |
| [04:15:39] | k-man: | if you have .debs installed and an install from source, you probably have a lot of stuff in 2 places |
| [04:16:26] | Bhaal: | Anyone here using that unofficial script 'MythMagic' ? |
| [04:17:10] | oobe: | ok problem solved |
| [04:17:25] | oobe: | I had some python bindings in /usr/local as well as /usr |
| [04:17:41] | oobe: | so the script was checking /usr/local first and quiting I guess |
| [04:18:05] | k-man: | :) |
| [04:18:26] | k-man: | oobe, consider doing a make uninstall of mythtv |
| [04:18:36] | wagnerrp: | oobe: what script? |
| [04:19:01] | oobe: | find_orphans.py I guess |
| [04:19:21] | wagnerrp: | that doesnt check anywhere |
| [04:19:23] | wagnerrp: | it just imports |
| [04:19:26] | wagnerrp: | python does the checking |
| [04:19:39] | wagnerrp: | and the source mythtv installer will install exactly to where python wants to check |
| [04:19:46] | oobe: | yep ok then I guess python checked it |
| [04:19:50] | wagnerrp: | actually, no |
| [04:19:53] | wagnerrp: | thats not true |
| [04:19:58] | wagnerrp: | because debian is screwed up |
| [04:20:05] | [R]: | lol |
| [04:20:18] | oobe: | I must of done a ./configure once on master without --prefix=/usr |
| [04:20:32] | wagnerrp: | debian changes the search path for python to use dist-packages, rather than site-packages |
| [04:20:42] | [R]: | bastards! |
| [04:20:48] | wagnerrp: | and requires that a special command line option be provided by the installer to redirect it there |
| [04:21:07] | wagnerrp: | the source installer does not do so, because thats retarded |
| [04:21:21] | wagnerrp: | so on debian systems, the python bindings get installed to the wrong place |
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| [04:22:17] | wagnerrp: | why they cant simply patch the python install routines to provide the correct path, or just stop screwing with things they have no reason to screw with |
| [04:22:19] | wagnerrp: | i cant tell you |
| [04:27:44] | oobe: | nice I got about 40GB thanks wagnerrp works well |
| [04:27:50] | wagnerrp: | Bhaal: so this thing does recommendations blindly based off description comparisons? |
| [04:27:50] | shiggity: | anyone around? |
| [04:27:56] | shiggity: | lol |
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| [04:30:17] | k-man: | Bhaal, yeah it does look interesting |
| [04:30:35] | k-man: | shiggity, yes some people |
| [04:30:58] | shiggity: | l well I can't get my MythTV install working... AT ALL |
| [04:31:08] | shiggity: | I can't get it to use 'mythconverg2' as my database |
| [04:31:48] | k-man: | can you access the mythconverg2 db from the mysql client directly? |
| [04:31:58] | shiggity: | how would I do that? |
| [04:32:27] | wagnerrp: | mysql -u<user> -p<pass> mythconverg2 |
| [04:35:31] | shiggity: | when I do that I got usage info |
| [04:36:04] | wagnerrp: | you replaced <user> with your username, and <pass> with your password? |
| [04:36:09] | shiggity: | yep |
| [04:36:11] | Bhaal: | wagnerrp: no idea, I just noticed it in the wiki... |
| [04:36:26] | shiggity: | wtf maybe my sqld isn't running |
| [04:36:35] | Bhaal: | Its about the only option that someone could one-up me on with tivo Vs. mythtv ... |
| [04:36:42] | Bhaal: | re: mythmagic.. |
| [04:36:48] | Bhaal: | I am going to giev it a shot... |
| [04:36:50] | wagnerrp: | Bhaal: no, not really |
| [04:37:20] | wagnerrp: | mythtv still wins, as you keep adding tuners and rules, until you record everything you may possibly want to watch |
| [04:37:24] | Bhaal: | wagnerrp: I am talking about simpletons... |
| [04:37:34] | wagnerrp: | you add a power rule to record the first few episodes of each new series on primetime |
| [04:37:52] | shiggity: | ok there we go |
| [04:37:54] | shiggity: | it's running |
| [04:38:20] | shiggity: | and doing that command doesn't show me the database |
| [04:38:30] | Bhaal: | wagnerrp: I was more thinking of stuff that non-technical people would think of... |
| [04:38:32] | wagnerrp: | it should log you into mysql, using that database |
| [04:39:39] | shiggity: | wagnerrp: http://pastebin.com/AFg6JKFL |
| [04:40:00] | wagnerrp: | no space |
| [04:40:38] | shiggity: | ok now I'm in |
| [04:40:42] | shiggity: | <_< |
| [04:41:31] | Bhaal: | Ok, mythmagic installed... lets see what it can do... |
| [04:41:50] | shiggity: | wagnerrp: now what? how can I tell mythbackend to use it? |
| [04:42:25] | wagnerrp: | you specify those credentials when mythtv-setup asks for access to the database |
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| [04:43:44] | shiggity: | ok so instead of mythtv for user and pass it's my root user and my pass? |
| [04:44:05] | wagnerrp: | mythtv shouldnt be using the root account to log in |
| [04:44:15] | shiggity: | yea well >_> |
| [04:44:22] | Bhaal: | iamlindoro: I have just had another look at your theme... I have been using the A-Forest theme as it was the only theme that displayed long file names more often then not, but now yours appears to be able to do it decently now as well... One question though, the big blue splat.... why? |
| [04:44:22] | wagnerrp: | you should have provided alternate credentials |
| [04:44:49] | shiggity: | how do I connect to the sql server from a browser to alter permissions and stuff? |
| [04:45:03] | wagnerrp: | why would you want to? |
| [04:45:08] | wagnerrp: | the command line works so well |
| [04:45:14] | shiggity: | ok then help me :P |
| [04:45:44] | wagnerrp: | http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-6.html |
| [04:45:48] | wagnerrp: | see the 'grant' line |
| [04:46:33] | wagnerrp: | documentation is your friend |
| [04:47:07] | shiggity: | I've done that |
| [04:48:15] | shiggity: | bah what port is it on? |
| [04:48:19] | shiggity: | 6543? |
| [04:48:20] | shiggity: | >_> |
| [04:48:26] | wagnerrp: | default, 3306 |
| [04:48:36] | wagnerrp: | if you leave that set to 0, it will use the default |
| [04:48:59] | shiggity: | it complains that it can't connect on that port |
| [04:49:20] | wagnerrp: | then mysqld is not running |
| [04:49:30] | wagnerrp: | or is not listening on where ever you told mythtv to access it from |
| [04:50:15] | shiggity: | oh it's running.. I'm connected to it |
| [04:50:33] | wagnerrp: | what address do you have set to connect to? |
| [04:50:53] | shiggity: | I used the documentation's example |
| [04:50:54] | shiggity: | i.e. all |
| [04:51:15] | wagnerrp: | so... what address? |
| [04:51:28] | shiggity: | 192.168.25.129 is the server's address |
| [04:51:32] | shiggity: | this machine |
| [04:51:42] | wagnerrp: | did you ever set mysql to listen on the network? |
| [04:51:59] | shiggity: | how would I do that? |
| [04:52:09] | wagnerrp: | second paragraph from the bottom of that page |
| [05:01:54] | shiggity: | ok storage directories set |
| [05:02:15] | shiggity: | though when running mythfilldatabase I get 401 unauthorized |
| [05:02:23] | shiggity: | not fatally though |
| [05:02:35] | shiggity: | HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 401 Unauthorized |
| [05:02:36] | sphery: | that's just how web authentication works |
| [05:02:46] | shiggity: | okay |
| [05:02:48] | sphery: | 401, then it send credentials |
| [05:02:56] | shiggity: | so nothing to worry about there? |
| [05:02:59] | sphery: | right |
| [05:02:59] | wagnerrp: | no |
| [05:03:02] | shiggity: | kk |
| [05:03:44] | shiggity: | wtf? client and server protocol mismatch? |
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| [05:04:11] | wagnerrp: | what specifically is the message? |
| [05:05:27] | shiggity: | "The server uses network protocol version 69, but the client only understands 63. Make sure you are running compatible versions of the backend and frontend." |
| [05:05:52] | shiggity: | I upgraded the schema is that helps any |
| [05:06:28] | sphery: | that sounds like you have unstable/development/master/0.25pre server and 0.24.x client |
| [05:06:30] | shiggity: | it wouldn't let me proceed otherwise |
| [05:06:38] | shiggity: | ... |
| [05:06:41] | wagnerrp: | what sphery said |
| [05:06:51] | shiggity: | ok then how would I uninstall only the backend? |
| [05:06:59] | wagnerrp: | you cant |
| [05:06:59] | shiggity: | and then recompile on the proper backend? |
| [05:07:05] | wagnerrp: | the frontend and backend are one and the same |
| [05:07:09] | shiggity: | >_> |
| [05:07:10] | wagnerrp: | its all one big source package |
| [05:07:14] | shiggity: | bah |
| [05:08:24] | shiggity: | I did a sudo make uninstall |
| [05:08:32] | sphery: | but since nearly all of the code is in shared libraries, anyway, there's not much difference at all between compiling some or all of the applications in mythtv |
| [05:09:17] | shiggity: | ok I found a lingering mythbackend process |
| [05:09:25] | shiggity: | if I now recompile the whole darn thing it should work? |
| [05:09:42] | wagnerrp: | what are you trying to do? |
| [05:09:46] | wagnerrp: | run 0.24 or run 0.25? |
| [05:10:00] | shiggity: | 24.1–78 fixes |
| [05:10:09] | wagnerrp: | so why are you compiling anything? |
| [05:10:26] | shiggity: | ok so how do I tell it to use 0.24's backend? |
| [05:10:27] | sphery: | you'll likely have to re-create your DB, since the running 0.25pre backend may have upgraded it, too |
| [05:10:41] | shiggity: | ok |
| [05:11:11] | sphery: | I agree with wagnerrp, though, packages are the way to go |
| [05:11:50] | shiggity: | yeah though the the thing is that Gentoo only has 0.23 as its newest ebuild |
| [05:12:04] | wagnerrp: | so use our overlay instead |
| [05:12:13] | shiggity: | ok what is it? I'll add it to layman |
| [05:12:24] | wagnerrp: | https://github.com/MythTV/packaging/tree/master/Gentoo |
| [05:14:42] | shiggity: | ok so is this right? |
| [05:14:45] | shiggity: | PORTDIR_OVERLAY="${PORTDIR_OVERLAY} /usr/local/portage/ /usr/local/mythtv_portage/Gentoo" |
| [05:14:59] | shiggity: | in make.cong |
| [05:15:04] | shiggity: | conf* |
| [05:15:08] | wagnerrp: | no |
| [05:15:22] | wagnerrp: | PORTDIR_OVERLAY is unset by default |
| [05:15:36] | wagnerrp: | so there is no reason to carry the old value through |
| [05:15:53] | shiggity: | ok so delete PORTDIR_OVERLAY ? |
| [05:16:12] | wagnerrp: | get rid of the ${PORTDIR_OVERLAY} |
| [05:16:19] | shiggity: | k |
| [05:16:47] | shiggity: | PORTDIR_OVERLAY="/usr/local/portage/ /usr/local/mythtv_portage/Gentoo" |
| [05:16:49] | shiggity: | now? |
| [05:17:05] | wagnerrp: | if thats where you put the git repo |
| [05:17:23] | shiggity: | that's what the tutorial thing there says |
| [05:17:47] | shiggity: | ok so now eix-sync? |
| [05:17:48] | wagnerrp: | well you may have chosen a different location |
| [05:17:53] | wagnerrp: | eix-sync? |
| [05:17:56] | shiggity: | ya |
| [05:18:02] | wagnerrp: | WTF is that? |
| [05:18:14] | shiggity: | sync the databases I thought |
| [05:18:31] | wagnerrp: | 'emerge --sync' syncs your local tree |
| [05:18:38] | wagnerrp: | but since you just cloned it, you have the latest copy |
| [05:18:43] | shiggity: | ok |
| [05:18:51] | wagnerrp: | speaking of which, its been a while since ive built new ebuilds |
| [05:19:10] | wagnerrp: | a whole month it seems |
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| [05:22:57] | wagnerrp: | sphery: just what is oldprogram used for? |
| [05:23:16] | wagnerrp: | something to do with a powerrule for movies? |
| [05:23:24] | wagnerrp: | i mean its only got two columns |
| [05:23:35] | wagnerrp: | hardly anything usable |
| [05:23:35] | sphery: | it's the unique titles that have been seen within the last 11mos for "New Title" search |
| [05:24:07] | sphery: | basically for those who don't have SD programids (where we can guess which is a new series based on its programid) |
| [05:24:30] | sphery: | 11mos to allow you to get all the holiday specials listed as new each year :) |
| [05:25:47] | sphery: | (that said, the last couple of years, networks have been airing shows out of order, so EP*0001 doesn't necessarily come first, so a traditional Schedules Direct "new series" rule has been missing a lot of stuff and the "New Titles" search is still useful for SD users |
| [05:26:40] | wagnerrp: | the last couple? |
| [05:26:47] | wagnerrp: | like since the early 2000s? |
| [05:26:53] | sphery: | heh |
| [05:27:02] | sphery: | well, seems to have been getting more prevalent, lately |
| [05:27:40] | shiggity: | >>> Emerging (3 of 3) media-tv/mythtv-0.25_pre20110728 from Mythtv-Ebuilds <== is that safe? |
| [05:27:54] | wagnerrp: | no, you want to be running 0.24.1 |
| [05:28:09] | shiggity: | well that's what the overlay is grabbing for nme |
| [05:28:10] | wagnerrp: | you were too aggressive in your unmasking |
| [05:28:12] | shiggity: | me* |
| [05:28:22] | wagnerrp: | emerge =mythtv-0.24.1 |
| [05:28:49] | wagnerrp: | or fix your unmasks to only unmask 0.24.1 |
| [05:29:43] | shiggity: | >=mythtv-0.24.1 ? |
| [05:30:09] | wagnerrp: | <mythtv-0.25_alpha |
| [05:30:31] | shiggity: | ok |
| [05:31:55] | shiggity: | SUCCESS |
| [05:31:57] | shiggity: | >>> Emerging (1 of 1) media-tv/mythtv-0.24.1_p20110726 from Mythtv-Ebuilds |
| [05:32:53] | Bhaal: | Ohhhh, is last position for mythvideo (yes I know mythvideo is merged to core) back in 0.25 ?? |
| [05:33:20] | wagnerrp: | back in? |
| [05:33:32] | wagnerrp: | i didnt know it ever existed, to be removed, to be put back in |
| [05:34:06] | shiggity: | what improvements are being worked on for 0.25? |
| [05:34:24] | wagnerrp: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Release_Notes_-_0.25 |
| [05:34:34] | Bhaal: | It did work up till 0.21... It remembered the last video file you were on... |
| [05:34:47] | wagnerrp: | oh, menu position |
| [05:34:56] | wagnerrp: | no, i dont believe so |
| [05:34:59] | Bhaal: | ok, that :) |
| [05:35:01] | Bhaal: | damn hehe |
| [05:35:31] | shiggity: | wagnerrp: ok so it seems just tweaks here and there |
| [05:36:14] | wagnerrp: | yeah, just around 3500 commits worth of tweaks here and there |
| [05:36:57] | Bhaal: | hehehe |
| [05:42:34] | wagnerrp: | oof... open-iscsi update |
| [05:42:38] | wagnerrp: | this may cause me problems |
| [05:43:07] | shiggity: | bah so I have the ebuilt 0.24.1 installed and still when I run mythtv-setup it wants me to upgrade the schema again |
| [05:43:32] | shiggity: | 0.25's stuff must be lingering stil |
| [05:43:33] | shiggity: | l |
| [05:43:45] | wagnerrp: | mythtv-setup --version |
| [05:44:07] | shiggity: | bash: /usr/local/bin/mythtv-setup: No such file or directory |
| [05:44:42] | wagnerrp: | wha?? |
| [05:44:53] | wagnerrp: | wait... /usr/local/bin? |
| [05:44:59] | wagnerrp: | gentoo installs stuff to /usr/bin/ |
| [05:45:05] | shiggity: | I had compiled from a tarball (non gentoo ebuild) |
| [05:45:54] | shiggity: | shiggity@AsahinaMikuru ~ $ /usr/bin/mythtv-setup --version |
| [05:45:54] | shiggity: | Invalid argument: --version |
| [05:46:16] | wagnerrp: | sphery: did the old mythtv-setup not support version? |
| [05:46:41] | wagnerrp: | actually, i think the old mythtv-setup ran its own parser, rather than use the old parser |
| [05:46:48] | sphery: | right, it didn't until your rework |
| [05:46:58] | sphery: | so not 'til 0.25 :) |
| [05:47:14] | wagnerrp: | eew |
| [05:47:17] | shiggity: | it keeps trying to upgrade this: 2011-08–29 01:42:22.962 Current MythTV Schema Version (DBSchemaVer): 1226 to 1264 |
| [05:47:25] | wagnerrp: | thats normal |
| [05:47:30] | shiggity: | ok so let it? |
| [05:47:36] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [05:47:42] | wagnerrp: | you shouldnt even be aware of it |
| [05:47:50] | sphery: | 1264 is good--that's 0.24-fixes schema |
| [05:47:53] | wagnerrp: | well... i wouldnt call it 'normal' |
| [05:48:03] | wagnerrp: | i still think we should be doing a rollup just prior to every release |
| [05:48:15] | wagnerrp: | theres no reason why 0.24 should be starting at 1226 |
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| [05:54:40] | Shiggs|MB: | hello all |
| [05:54:50] | Shiggs|MB: | shiggity here on my laptop |
| [05:55:28] | Shiggs|MB: | so I'm trying to set storage dirs again and it keeps complaining that file .test isn't writable. |
| [05:55:28] | Shiggs|MB: | >_> |
| [05:55:39] | [R]: | so fix the permissions |
| [05:55:52] | Shiggs|MB: | I thought I did |
| [05:55:59] | [R]: | obviously not |
| [05:55:59] | wagnerrp: | are these directories you are going to be writing to? |
| [05:56:00] | Shiggs|MB: | the user needs to be 'mythtv' correct? |
| [05:56:01] | Shiggs|MB: | ya |
| [05:56:13] | Shiggs|MB: | /home/shiggity/mythtv/Recordings |
| [05:56:29] | wagnerrp: | the init scripts that come with the gentoo ebuilds start the backend as user 'mythtv' |
| [05:56:41] | wagnerrp: | meaning you are supposed to run mythtv-setup as user 'mythtv' for all those checks to work |
| [05:56:50] | Shiggs|MB: | ... |
| [05:56:54] | sphery: | generally no user can get into another user's home directory |
| [05:57:04] | sphery: | meaning move your recordings to /srv/mythtv/Recordings or similar |
| [05:57:06] | Shiggs|MB: | so I'd nee to log into user 'mythtv'? |
| [05:57:16] | Shiggs|MB: | need* |
| [05:57:16] | wagnerrp: | remember, directories need execute access to get into them |
| [05:57:28] | Shiggs|MB: | ya |
| [05:57:31] | Shiggs|MB: | that I know |
| [05:57:33] | sphery: | (and, really, you don't want to allow other users into your home directory) |
| [05:57:41] | Shiggs|MB: | alright |
| [05:58:39] | Shiggs|MB: | k so what do I do |
| [05:59:20] | wagnerrp: | first off, do you have a separate disk to record to? |
| [05:59:36] | Shiggs|MB: | well yeah but it's partitioned |
| [05:59:49] | Shiggs|MB: | one part. is NTFS, the other HFS+ |
| [05:59:58] | wagnerrp: | separate disk, as in physically different from the one your OS and database are on |
| [06:00:12] | Shiggs|MB: | ya |
| [06:00:15] | Shiggs|MB: | one part. is NTFS, the other HFS+ |
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| [06:00:46] | wagnerrp: | can you reformat it as one big partition, in some linux-native filesystem? |
| [06:00:50] | Shiggs|MB: | noe |
| [06:00:55] | Shiggs|MB: | nope* |
| [06:01:01] | Shiggs|MB: | I have a ton of crap on it atm |
| [06:01:08] | Shiggs|MB: | no place to put it all |
| [06:01:22] | k-man: | Shiggs|MB, so where do you plan to put your recordings? |
| [06:01:47] | Shiggs|MB: | ok before I answer that lemme map out for you how my i5 (shiggity) is setup |
| [06:01:56] | Shiggs|MB: | I have two drives: a 120 GB and a 1.5 TB |
| [06:02:22] | Shiggs|MB: | the 1.5 TB at one point was my Hackintosh drive (hence half NTFS and half HFS+) |
| [06:02:30] | Shiggs|MB: | and my 120 GB is my separate Gentoo drive |
| [06:03:27] | k-man: | maybe you shuold just buy a new hdd |
| [06:03:32] | Shiggs|MB: | I'll eventually be making that machine my HTPC/media server when I get my new laptop |
| [06:03:34] | k-man: | might save you a lot of fiddling around |
| [06:03:38] | Shiggs|MB: | nah I can't |
| [06:15:14] | ** justjulian wonders how to find out why mythtv says it can't connect to the data base.. not being a mysql expert, ** | |
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| [06:18:01] | justjulian: | hmmmm distro problems.. bloody default firewall.. |
| [06:18:10] | k-man: | justjulian, try connecting directly using the mysql client first |
| [06:18:20] | Shiggs|MB: | bah |
| [06:18:30] | k-man: | justjulian, is it a combined fe/be machine? or seperate fe? |
| [06:18:32] | Shiggs|MB: | I can't get the backend to run using its user |
| [06:18:34] | Shiggs|MB: | (mythtv) |
| [06:19:03] | wagnerrp: | because you didnt configure database access for that user |
| [06:19:12] | justjulian: | k-man: combined... damned firewall blocks if I use actual IP addess.. works for 127.0.0.1 solved. |
| [06:19:14] | wagnerrp: | database credentials are stored in ~/.mythtv/config.xml |
| [06:19:18] | Shiggs|MB: | bahhh |
| [06:19:41] | wagnerrp: | justjulian: are you sure its not mysql itself simply not listening for network connections? |
| [06:19:55] | k-man: | wagnerrp, my thought exactly |
| [06:20:05] | wagnerrp: | if you tell mythtv to use 127.0.0.1, it will actually connect using the local socket instead |
| [06:20:20] | Shiggs|MB: | wagnerrp: it looks to be configured in the file just fine |
| [06:20:45] | justjulian: | wagnerrp: solved... mysql is listenning on *.3306 so any local addresss should do.. but the firewall is bad.. figured it out.. :-) |
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| [06:21:06] | Shiggs|MB: | but setup still can't make that test file |
| [06:21:06] | Shiggs|MB: | >_> |
| [06:21:28] | wagnerrp: | there is the question as to why one would run a firewall on a home server anyhow |
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| [06:25:14] | Shiggs|MB: | I've been running the grant line many times now and it doesnt' seem to be sticking |
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| [06:29:13] | k-man: | Shiggs|MB, did you do the flush perms thing? |
| [06:30:20] | Shiggs|MB: | prolly not |
| [06:30:21] | Shiggs|MB: | >_> |
| [06:30:25] | Shiggs|MB: | that could be my issue |
| [06:34:24] | Shiggs|MB: | ...great now I can't log in at all |
| [06:34:48] | Shiggs|MB: | ok there wego |
| [06:35:54] | Shiggs|MB: | though the recording dirs still aren't writable |
| [06:35:54] | Shiggs|MB: | >_> |
| [06:38:18] | Shiggs|MB: | bahh it's running but it's complaining that it's now |
| [06:38:36] | Shiggs|MB: | not* |
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| [06:41:20] | Shiggs|MB: | Error: MythTV is using all inputs, but there are no active recordings? |
| [06:41:20] | Shiggs|MB: | >_> |
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| [06:57:49] | Shiggs|MB: | k I'm going to bed... if anyone is up when I'm up, I'd like to get this working finally >_> |
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| [07:26:18] | k-man: | in master, I have a channel group defined as Favourites |
| [07:28:36] | k-man: | but even though I added a channel to it, Favourites does not show up in select channel group |
| [07:29:13] | k-man: | anyway, gtg |
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| [07:55:13] | Bhaal: | Ahhh, its a pity I am not an arty kind of person... Would make a theme, ah well, kind of have what I want now anyway... iamlindoro's Arclight theme with the big backgrounds from the A-Forest theme... |
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| [08:00:15] | Bhaal: | I like the arclight layout, just not the tendrils images... |
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| [08:05:28] | westlock: | Anyone around that can help with a pair of 2250's? |
| [08:12:10] | westlock: | Why do i only get the OSD and audio with these cards? |
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| [09:25:13] | Valen: | quick question, did a setup for my mother, when she cycles channels with up down arrows its only showing a few channels off the one transponder, I checked and its not recording anything (other than livetv) I've noticed this on another install or two, any suggestions? |
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| [09:32:47] | simonckenyon: | i reported #9830 nearly three months ago. i was wondering if anyone else has a problem changing analogue channels? makes myth pretty unusable for me as i use a pvr350 to capture from a sky STB |
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| [11:29:43] | ahhughez: | hi everyone. I've just installed myth... frontend was not complaining about anything. I've just installed my DVB-T driver... now the frontend is complaining that the backend is not running, or the ip address config is wrong. How can I determine if the backend is really running? |
| [11:35:28] | Twiggy2cents: | ps aux | grep mythbackend |
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| [11:36:12] | Twiggy2cents: | If you have seperate FE/BE, make sure that your server IP is static and is correct on the FE computer per mythtv-setup. |
| [11:37:15] | ahhughez: | hmmm I deleted the DVB-T capture card.... now its 'working'. |
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| [11:39:56] | ahhughez: | after I add the capture card (DVB-T)... I then go directly to channel editor. But I the 'scan' button is not enabled (I can't click it). |
| [11:41:46] | ahhughez: | 2011-08–29 21:11:19.558 DVBChan(2:/dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0) Error: Failed to open DVB frontend device due to fatal error or too many attempts. |
| [11:41:46] | ahhughez: | 2011-08–29 21:11:19.608 MythBackend, Warning: No valid capture cards are defined in the database. |
| [11:42:16] | ahhughez: | it don't like my driver/tuner very much. |
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| [11:54:10] | lapion: | ahhughez, how do you know you actually needed to install the driver ? Or do you mean you added the dvb device to the backend ? |
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| [11:55:26] | lapion: | ahhughez, most dvb devuces have drivers that come with most modern distros |
| [11:56:59] | ahhughez: | lapion, I was following this guide... http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Kworld_UB49 . . . 6.29_kernels |
| [11:57:31] | ahhughez: | I kinda have a minor success.... I just got vlc to stream a channel with it. |
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| [11:58:18] | lapion: | make sure the vc session is not still running.. |
| [11:58:28] | lapion: | vlc |
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| [12:08:13] | ahhughez: | lapion, yep... vlc is not running. |
| [12:12:32] | ** ahhughez has run out of ideas :'( ** | |
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| [12:19:27] | ahhughez: | seems like a common problem... only thing that seems somewhat realistic is someone saying to check that the user is in the video group... although I don't know contextually what that really means. |
| [12:21:36] | lapion: | upon installing mythtv user should be added automatically |
| [12:22:12] | ahhughez: | I installed the DVB-T driver as root.... that ok? |
| [12:22:27] | lapion: | has nothing to do with it.. |
| [12:23:20] | ahhughez: | kk.... say... ps aux | grep "myth" should really be listing mythbackend should it not? |
| [12:23:45] | lapion: | yes |
| [12:24:21] | lapion: | do you have mythtv-setup running ? |
| [12:25:49] | ahhughez: | yes |
| [12:26:08] | lapion: | make sure the database is running.. |
| [12:26:53] | lapion: | while you are running setup the backend is not running and the frontend cannot work.. |
| [12:27:12] | ahhughez: | sorry to be annoying, how can I check db is running? |
| [12:27:39] | lapion: | ps -axuw|grep mysql |
| [12:27:45] | ahhughez: | mysqld is running |
| [12:28:44] | ahhughez: | so, now mythtv-setup is not running..... but neither is the backend. |
| [12:31:14] | ahhughez: | is rebooting worth a shot? |
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| [12:32:23] | lapion: | ahhughez, in the capture cards was the cardname visible while selecting the /dev/video0 deivce ? |
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| [12:37:50] | lapion: | ahhughez, in the capture cards was the cardname visible while selecting the /dev/video0 deivce ? |
| [12:38:47] | ahhughez: | I'll have a look now |
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| [12:40:32] | ahhughez: | if by name you mean "Front End ID" yes... "IT9135 USB DVB-T" |
| [12:42:26] | lapion: | and did you add a "video source", folowed by coupling them in "input connections" |
| [12:42:52] | ahhughez: | negative |
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| [12:43:53] | ahhughez: | nows the point where you tell me I missed something right? |
| [12:43:54] | lapion: | so then go do your homework... |
| [12:44:35] | lapion: | first you need to install the card, then you need to create a video source, followed by coupling them in the input connections |
| [12:46:43] | lapion: | only after all this you can search for channels, at leas unless you live in a location using atsc, atsc usually cannot be searched |
| [12:46:46] | Bhaal: | So is there a character we can use instead of colon for video filenames that myth will interpret as a colon? |
| [12:47:24] | lapion: | Bhaal, why would anyone be so dumb as to use a colon in a filename |
| [12:47:33] | ahhughez: | thanks heaps lapion – Im trying to find the idiots guide to myth now :)~ |
| [12:48:19] | Bhaal: | lapion: Its a legal character... And maybe for the reason that people entering data in thetvdb use colons in show names? Like "CSI: NY" for instance... |
| [12:50:16] | lapion: | Bhaal, colon is a character used to denote drives and or network ports or rls urls so it's not legal to have it in a filename |
| [12:50:38] | EvilGuru: | lapion: It is perfectly legal on /nearly/ all file systems |
| [12:50:52] | Bhaal: | lapion: It is perfectly legal... |
| [12:51:03] | Bhaal: | What he said |
| [12:51:06] | EvilGuru: | Some UIs dislike it, OS X finder displays colons as / and Explorer finds it annoying |
| [12:52:24] | Bhaal: | The reason its a problem is because when mythtv was originally written they used the colon as a separator for data stored in the database |
| [12:53:20] | lapion: | Bhaal, if you ever plan on opening the file in a windows system it will not be possible... |
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| [12:54:47] | Bhaal: | lapion: *phew* for a moment there you had me worried... Then you said 'windows' and I was able to wipe the sweat from my forehead... |
| [12:54:49] | Bhaal: | :) |
| [12:55:17] | lapion: | and under linux you can use the commandline and filemanagers to create names with colons, however most programs will try to reach the files as a mrl or url |
| [12:55:30] | Bhaal: | Which of course brings us BACK to my original question... |
| [12:55:34] | Bhaal: | So is there a character we can use instead of colon for video filenames that myth will interpret as a colon? |
| [12:56:15] | EvilGuru: | Bhaal: Unicode will probably have something that looks like a colon |
| [12:56:18] | Bhaal: | The metadata from thetvdb has colons in the show names.. The filenames do not... |
| [12:56:38] | Bhaal: | emphasis on that last line there... |
| [12:56:53] | Bhaal: | I am talking about MythVideo here... |
| [12:57:18] | Bhaal: | And the fact I get no artwork on the dir name of 'CSI – NY' ... |
| [12:57:28] | Bhaal: | coz the show name is 'CSI: NY' |
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| [12:57:34] | Bhaal: | See where I am going now? |
| [12:59:21] | lapion: | what about using CSI. NY ? |
| [13:02:41] | Bhaal: | lapion: will gvie it a shot |
| [13:02:52] | lapion: | since the dot is often used as a regex for any achar |
| [13:04:02] | ahhughez: | lapion, it's scanning :D |
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| [13:05:09] | Bhaal: | lapion: nope, didnt work |
| [13:10:17] | lapion: | Bhaal, yes if you use a colon in a filename mythvideo ignores the filename and uses the name set in the metadata |
| [13:13:29] | ahhughez: | while Im waiting for this scanning to complete.... my boot time is ~1min. It's recycled hardware... p4 2700, 2GB ram.... but would it be worth upgrading everything for quicker boot times, how quick and would an ssd really improve anything? |
| [13:14:35] | lapion: | well ssd would only decrease boot times.. however I could not use an ssd to store recordings you don't intend on keeping permanently. |
| [13:15:08] | ahhughez: | nope, I only want it to boot from |
| [13:15:31] | ahhughez: | and only if it'll boot faster by a decent order of magnitude. |
| [13:16:10] | lapion: | wear and tead of ssd chips is really high, so I would mount /var/ /home/ and /tmp/ from a regular hdd, or even use a tmpfs for /tmp if you have enough ram |
| [13:16:37] | Seeker`: | BIOS POST will take ~6 seconds |
| [13:16:58] | Seeker`: | so an order of magnitude isn't really possible |
| [13:17:21] | ahhughez: | hmmmm 1min is annoying tho. |
| [13:17:38] | Seeker`: | 20 seconds is probably manageable |
| [13:18:32] | Seeker`: | I just got an SSD for my backend, on a fresh install it took about as long from power on -> post finish as it did from post finish -> desktop |
| [13:19:31] | ahhughez: | this scan must be the most exhaustive scan known to man kind. playtv takes a couple of mins... this has been going for ~20mins and is @ 46%. Better this way tho :) |
| [13:19:39] | lapion: | I have a P4 system that boots faster from an external drive than from it's internal ide drive.. |
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| [14:00:08] | ahhughez: | lapion, SUCCESS! |
| [14:00:14] | ahhughez: | :) |
| [14:00:37] | ahhughez: | thanks HEAPS for all your help. I gotta get some sleep now... but thanks heaps. |
| [14:01:06] | ahhughez: | this tuner takes a few seconds to change channels.... |
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| [15:33:21] | westlock: | Can anyone tell me why the HVR-2250 only shows white OSD on black lettering and gives audio but no actual picture. |
| [15:34:07] | EvilGuru: | westlock: No. |
| [15:34:57] | EvilGuru: | Your frontend and backend logs, along with configuration info might be able to give us clues, however, |
| [15:35:19] | westlock: | Tell me how to view the frontend logs again? Where are the damn things. |
| [15:35:29] | westlock: | I'm using linuxmce. |
| [15:36:05] | wagnerrp: | westlock: because youre using XVMC |
| [15:36:23] | wagnerrp: | one of many reasons we have been pushing to get rid of it for years |
| [15:36:30] | wagnerrp: | and successfully did so in 0.25 |
| [15:36:48] | westlock: | So should I switch to opengl? |
| [15:36:58] | wagnerrp: | what card do you have? |
| [15:37:02] | EvilGuru: | westlock: Xv may give you better results |
| [15:37:13] | EvilGuru: | But there is no harm in trying more than one and seeing what works best |
| [15:37:19] | wagnerrp: | opengl is preferred, if you have the power for it |
| [15:37:22] | wagnerrp: | xv is a fallback |
| [15:37:39] | westlock: | 03:00.0 Multimedia controller: Philips Semiconductors Device 7164 (rev 81) |
| [15:37:40] | westlock: | 04:00.0 Multimedia controller: Philips Semiconductors Device 7164 (rev 81) |
| [15:37:50] | EvilGuru: | westlock: GPU |
| [15:37:57] | wagnerrp: | thats a capture card, not a graphics card |
| [15:38:06] | westlock: | I'll get the log files to you in style but where is the frontend stored? |
| [15:38:17] | wagnerrp: | graphics... card... what is it? |
| [15:38:44] | westlock: | 05:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation G70 [GeForce 7600 GS] (rev a1) |
| [15:38:54] | westlock: | That is on the core |
| [15:39:01] | wagnerrp: | you should have plenty of power for the opengl renderer |
| [15:39:09] | EvilGuru: | westlock: So long as you are using the binary blob drivers opengl will be fine |
| [15:42:55] | ** EvilGuru is amazed that distros still chuck in XvMC support into myth builds ** | |
| [15:43:14] | wagnerrp: | thats linuxmce, not mythtv |
| [15:43:56] | jamesd2: | whats the best pci-e 16x nvidia card availbile for less than $50... not a gamer just want to watch video/tv... need to replace an fx1400 nvidia card system keeps locking up while watching videos. |
| [15:44:15] | wagnerrp: | what output do you need? |
| [15:44:16] | westlock: | okay so I have the mythtv backend log |
| [15:44:22] | westlock: | what else did you need. |
| [15:44:35] | wagnerrp: | westlock: this is a playback problem, meaning frontend, not backend |
| [15:44:43] | wagnerrp: | and besides, we told you how to fix it |
| [15:44:48] | westlock: | kk |
| [15:44:51] | jamesd2: | wagnerrp, 1080p on a dvi monitor a seperate output would be nice... either dvi or vga doesn't matter... |
| [15:44:53] | wagnerrp: | alter your playback profile to use opengl |
| [15:45:09] | wagnerrp: | jamesd2: a GT210 will run you in the $25 range |
| [15:45:36] | EvilGuru: | jamesd2: Anything with DVI/HDMI outputs will do you 1080p, no sweat |
| [15:45:51] | wagnerrp: | thats not at all true |
| [15:46:00] | wagnerrp: | well... got PCIe cards, it might be |
| [15:46:06] | wagnerrp: | s/got/for/ |
| [15:46:32] | wagnerrp: | my laptop only does 1024x768 digitally |
| [15:46:41] | wagnerrp: | ive got a couple cards that only do 1280x1024 |
| [15:46:49] | wagnerrp: | and ive seen some that only do 1600x1200 |
| [15:47:20] | EvilGuru: | wagnerrp: Recent or circa 2004 ish? |
| [15:47:31] | wagnerrp: | all AGP cards |
| [15:47:41] | wagnerrp: | you may be right in regards to PCIe hardware |
| [15:48:08] | wagnerrp: | something like a PCIe 6200 may only manage 1600x1200 |
| [15:49:39] | jamesd2: | EVGA GeForce 8400 GS 512 is that better than the gt210? |
| [15:49:47] | EvilGuru: | jamesd2: No. |
| [15:50:20] | wagnerrp: | theyre both limited to the VDPAU Normal profile, in regards to power available for deinterlacing |
| [15:50:33] | wagnerrp: | but the GT210 is better suited for HDMI audio |
| [15:50:43] | wagnerrp: | and GF8400 prices have skyrocketed |
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| [15:51:15] | EvilGuru: | wagnerrp: Probably due to a lack of supply, they are circa 2007 cards |
| [15:51:21] | jamesd2: | http://www.amazon.com/EVGA-GeForce-Passive-PC . . . &sr=1-29 guess i will get this one... since i have 2 day shipping on amazon till the end of the month |
| [15:51:23] | wagnerrp: | yeah |
| [15:52:15] | wagnerrp: | jamesd2: do you have a nice AV receiver? |
| [15:52:32] | westlock: | I just picked up a couple fanless 8400GS |
| [15:52:35] | wagnerrp: | meaning something in the higher mid range, no more than a couple years old |
| [15:52:42] | jamesd2: | wagnerrp, not in the room with the PC... |
| [15:52:48] | wagnerrp: | ok, nevermind then |
| [15:53:13] | wagnerrp: | HD audio from bluray content can only be bitstreamed to a compatible receiver with a GT430 or better |
| [15:53:24] | wagnerrp: | westlock: can you even find those any longer for <$60? |
| [15:53:54] | jamesd2: | i have an LG blu-ray player in that room so not an issue.. i have no bluray players on my computers yet |
| [15:53:59] | westlock: | I picked mine up off newegg $30.00 each |
| [15:54:12] | wagnerrp: | 'just'? as in 'recently'? |
| [15:54:34] | wagnerrp: | ive got a couple fanless ASUS 8400s for that price, but i bought those like two years ago |
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| [15:56:52] | jamesd2: | is the gt520 better... might as well get a card that supports the future |
| [15:57:20] | wagnerrp: | only if you care to use the better deinterlacers, do HD audio bitstreaming, and pay double the price |
| [15:57:42] | jamesd2: | its $55... and has a GB of memory on it |
| [15:57:52] | westlock: | yah last week. |
| [15:57:53] | wagnerrp: | memory doesnt get you much |
| [15:58:16] | wagnerrp: | the VDPAU renderer in mythtv wants 512MB, but beyond that it doesnt matter |
| [15:58:37] | EvilGuru: | the deinterlacing also soaks up memory bandwidth |
| [15:58:53] | wagnerrp: | bandwidth, not capacity |
| [15:59:09] | wagnerrp: | and just about any discrete card should have gobs of that |
| [15:59:26] | wagnerrp: | the only bandwidth problem ive ever heard of is the old integrated AMD systems |
| [15:59:27] | EvilGuru: | you'd be surprised how poor some of them are |
| [15:59:47] | wagnerrp: | where low CPU power meant the processor would downclock, taking memory throughput with it, and starving the integrated graphics |
| [16:00:56] | westlock: | Is there a command line tool I can test the card with outside of myth? |
| [16:01:07] | wagnerrp: | qvdpautest i think |
| [16:01:12] | jamesd2: | this is for a sun u20.. has a dual core 2.4ghz opteron in it... and 4GB memory... box has been rock solid.. untill now.. |
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| [16:17:18] | J-e-f-f-A: | Grr... power still out @ home... Could be a few days... :-( |
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| [16:18:39] | Shiggs|MB: | k so anyone up? |
| [16:19:01] | wagnerrp: | seriously, you didnt just log in |
| [16:19:07] | wagnerrp: | check the timestamps on recent messages |
| [16:19:09] | Shiggs|MB: | eh? |
| [16:19:48] | Shiggs|MB: | J-e-f-f-A said something but I dunno if s/he knows mythtv well |
| [16:19:58] | wagnerrp: | a big discussion only 20 minutes ago, a comment just a minute earlier |
| [16:20:47] | Shiggs|MB: | anyway, my backend is running, and I can connect just fine, but here's the current issue: |
| [16:20:55] | Shiggs|MB: | Error: MythTV is using all inputs, but there are no active recordings? |
| [16:21:10] | Seeker`: | wagnerrp: everyone could have fallen asleep on the keyboard and have been rolling their face back and forth |
| [16:21:46] | J-e-f-f-A: | Shiggs|MB: Is this a new backend? If so, your tuners aren't setup right... |
| [16:22:00] | Shiggs|MB: | J-e-f-f-A: yeah it's a new install |
| [16:22:10] | wagnerrp: | its a symptom of a couple different errors |
| [16:22:18] | wagnerrp: | usually something to do with file permission |
| [16:22:33] | wagnerrp: | doesnt have access to the tuners, or doesnt have access to the disks to record to |
| [16:22:40] | Shiggs|MB: | hmm |
| [16:22:58] | Shiggs|MB: | yeah that's another issue... it can't write to /home/mythtv/* |
| [16:23:30] | wagnerrp: | the backend is running as mythtv? |
| [16:23:39] | Shiggs|MB: | I think so |
| [16:23:39] | wagnerrp: | ps -aux | grep mythbackend |
| [16:24:16] | Shiggs|MB: | it looks to be running as shiggity |
| [16:24:17] | Shiggs|MB: | grrr |
| [16:24:54] | Shiggs|MB: | how do I get it to run as mythtv (and on boot like that) ? |
| [16:25:05] | wagnerrp: | use the init script? |
| [16:25:20] | Shiggs|MB: | /etc/init.d/mythbackend start ? |
| [16:25:29] | wagnerrp: | sure |
| [16:25:45] | Shiggs|MB: | that's what I've been using but it seems to start it as either root or shiggity |
| [16:27:29] | Shiggs|MB: | yup just did it and psaux'd it and it's running as shiggity still |
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| [16:28:04] | wagnerrp: | you said youre using gentoo? |
| [16:28:08] | Shiggs|MB: | yup |
| [16:28:28] | wagnerrp: | you used the 'autostart' USE flag? |
| [16:28:36] | wagnerrp: | er, no... thats for the frontend |
| [16:28:37] | wagnerrp: | nevermind |
| [16:28:40] | Shiggs|MB: | he |
| [16:28:42] | Shiggs|MB: | heh* |
| [16:29:18] | Shiggs|MB: | is there a way for mythbackend to ONLY start as mythtv? |
| [16:29:41] | wagnerrp: | the rc script that comes with the gentoo ebuilds will run as user 'mythtv' |
| [16:29:53] | Shiggs|MB: | well it's not working for me |
| [16:30:10] | wagnerrp: | is this what your /etc/init.d/mythbackend looks like? https://github.com/MythTV/packaging/blob/mast . . . nd-0.18.2.rc |
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| [16:30:22] | Shiggs|MB: | ok where do I put that |
| [16:30:36] | wagnerrp: | it should have been installed by the ebuild |
| [16:30:36] | J-e-f-f-A: | wow |
| [16:31:03] | skd5aner: | did you use the ebuild or did you trying to install from source? |
| [16:31:11] | Shiggs|MB: | ebuild |
| [16:32:42] | Shiggs|MB: | I don't understand why this didn't work: 496 chown -R mythtv /home/shiggity/mythtv/Recordings/ |
| [16:33:07] | skd5aner: | well, why would you want to do that though? |
| [16:33:11] | wagnerrp: | because something above that did not provide execute rights to the user mythtv |
| [16:33:12] | skd5aner: | do you have a mythtv user account on the machine even? |
| [16:33:22] | wagnerrp: | yes, the ebuilds create one |
| [16:33:38] | wagnerrp: | as explained last night, you can only traverse into a directory if you have execute rights to it |
| [16:33:51] | Shiggs|MB: | right |
| [16:33:55] | skd5aner: | yea, but maybe something didn't work on his ebuild correctly? |
| [16:34:10] | skd5aner: | although, I would find that hard to imagine |
| [16:34:58] | Shiggs|MB: | it won't let me channel scan |
| [16:35:18] | Shiggs|MB: | should I just unmerge an remerge? |
| [16:35:25] | Shiggs|MB: | and* |
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| [16:37:59] | FabriceMG: | wagnerrp, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Mythfilldatabase#3 . . . _--file_flag |
| [16:38:25] | wagnerrp: | yes, there were some changes to that application due to limitations of the new parser |
| [16:38:34] | FabriceMG: | I have made modification for the 0.25 version, It's good? |
| [16:39:05] | wagnerrp: | i dont know, i honestly dont use any of those arguments |
| [16:39:27] | Shiggs|MB: | should I just unmerge and remerge? |
| [16:39:29] | Shiggs|MB: | >_> <_< >_< |
| [16:39:56] | wagnerrp: | if you emerge an application already installed, it is automatically unmerged |
| [16:40:12] | Shiggs|MB: | ok would it fix my issues? |
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| [16:41:23] | wagnerrp: | probably not |
| [16:41:49] | Shiggs|MB: | I'm doing it anyway |
| [16:41:58] | Shiggs|MB: | shouldn't hurt it any more that it is alreay |
| [16:42:05] | Shiggs|MB: | alreay* |
| [16:42:08] | Shiggs|MB: | already* |
| [16:42:09] | Shiggs|MB: | bah |
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| [16:45:01] | ** Shiggs|MB goes back to be for an hour ** | |
| [16:45:06] | Shiggs|MB: | bed* |
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| [16:46:39] | westlock: | 7600GS = what hardware acceleration |
| [16:46:46] | wagnerrp: | none of any worth |
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| [16:48:20] | westlock: | Okay so I how do I get it to display television again? |
| [16:49:29] | wagnerrp: | change your playback profile to use the OpenGL renderer |
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| [16:50:07] | westlock: | Okay I was in the playback profile but I didn't see ... Okay I think I know the tab your talking about. |
| [16:50:44] | wagnerrp: | it should have a number of different levels |
| [16:50:50] | wagnerrp: | corresponding to different resolutions, right? |
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| [17:04:46] | wagnerrp: | hehehe... |
| [17:05:12] | wagnerrp: | british man was placed under curfew due to various offenses, and given a tracking anklet to enforce it |
| [17:05:29] | wagnerrp: | anklet was placed on fake leg |
| [17:06:06] | ** sphery has what might be an epiphany ** | |
| [17:06:06] | wagnerrp: | in related news, two british officers fired for being complete idoits |
| [17:06:55] | sphery: | justinh: question for you about your database setup on the system that's locking up (likely due to DB connection loss)... Is that a local mysqld server or remote? What are you using for DBHostName in config.xml and/or mysql.txt? |
| [17:07:16] | sphery: | wagnerrp: hehe, guess he had to take the spare when he went out |
| [17:07:33] | wagnerrp: | apparently he was just hobbling around |
| [17:07:41] | wagnerrp: | they caught him driving with one leg |
| [17:07:57] | sphery: | wow |
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| [17:18:23] | EvilGuru: | Only in the UK |
| [17:18:52] | wagnerrp: | actually, that sounds like something that can happen in florida too |
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| [17:33:44] | skd5aner: | if anyone has any 8600 nvidia cards they're looking to get rid of (cheap) – let me know |
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| [17:37:02] | sphery: | I have a 7200 you can have for cheap :) |
| [17:37:25] | sphery: | (of course, I think you're looking for an 8600 for the same reason I replaced the 7200--VDPAU support) |
| [17:43:27] | wagnerrp: | but then why would he be wanting an 8600 |
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| [17:58:50] | sphery: | for composite output, too? |
| [17:59:57] | wagnerrp: | skd5aner: theres a 9500GT on newegg for $55, with analog outputs |
| [18:03:06] | EvilGuru: | skd5aner: I have a 9600 |
| [18:03:25] | EvilGuru: | Although VDPAU does not work and it is *very* noisy |
| [18:03:43] | sphery: | vdpau doesn't work? |
| [18:04:08] | EvilGuru: | sphery: Yep, just errors out |
| [18:04:20] | sphery: | weird... did you buy it 2nd-hand from kor moc? |
| [18:04:37] | EvilGuru: | Brand new, bought it just for VDPAU |
| [18:05:20] | EvilGuru: | The nvidia blob devs were really not sure as the current drivers are not verbose enough on errors for them to have any idea |
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| [18:10:48] | wagnerrp: | why is thunderbird wanting me to update to 7.0 beta? |
| [18:11:11] | wagnerrp: | FFS... i just updated to 6.x like a day and a half ago |
| [18:11:26] | EvilGuru: | Are you in the beta channel? Help => About should tell you |
| [18:11:51] | wagnerrp: | seems so, buy WHY am i on the beta channel? |
| [18:12:18] | sphery: | bad reception on the release channel? |
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| [18:12:30] | N90: | i'm running ubuntu 11.04 and when i ./configure it says i need the mp3 lib but i have it |
| [18:12:47] | wagnerrp: | why are you not using the mythbuntu builds? |
| [18:13:07] | N90: | i downloaded |
| [18:13:14] | N90: | the tar |
| [18:13:19] | N90: | from the official site |
| [18:13:21] | sphery: | N90: you need libmp3lame, lame/lame.h and it has to have lime_init defined |
| [18:13:36] | EvilGuru: | N90: For the sake of puppies and kittens please use the sources/binaries in your repo if at all possible |
| [18:13:41] | wagnerrp: | you dont want to be using the tar from the official site |
| [18:13:41] | sphery: | and they need to be findable in the "normal" directories, or you'd need to specify other include/lib dirs |
| [18:13:52] | wagnerrp: | if you are compiling source, you should be compiling from the github repository |
| [18:14:04] | N90: | but i need the last version |
| [18:14:06] | sphery: | and you can download a tar from github with all the current fixes, too |
| [18:14:07] | wagnerrp: | but you shouldnt be compiling anyway, you should be using the mythbuntu nightly builds |
| [18:14:13] | wagnerrp: | latest version, meaning...? |
| [18:14:15] | sphery: | agreed... packages++ |
| [18:14:24] | sphery: | what distro are you on? |
| [18:14:25] | N90: | 0.24 |
| [18:14:32] | N90: | ubuntu 11.04 |
| [18:14:34] | N90: | read |
| [18:14:35] | sphery: | 0.24 is old and has tons of unfixed bugs |
| [18:14:38] | wagnerrp: | the 0.24 mythbuntu builds are as new as you can find |
| [18:14:46] | wagnerrp: | they get rebuilt nightly |
| [18:14:47] | sphery: | you really should be using 0.24-fixes from http://mythbuntu.org/repos |
| [18:14:54] | sphery: | I think they call it 0.24.1 |
| [18:14:58] | N90: | its |
| [18:14:59] | N90: | the .1 |
| [18:15:03] | N90: | 0.24.1 |
| [18:15:08] | sphery: | it has 78 fixes since 0.24.1 tarball |
| [18:15:10] | N90: | i dont said it |
| [18:15:14] | N90: | btw |
| [18:15:17] | sphery: | so unless you really want those 78 bugs... ;) |
| [18:15:20] | N90: | im compiling |
| [18:15:22] | N90: | 0.24.1 |
| [18:15:30] | wagnerrp: | but WHY are you compiling? |
| [18:15:34] | sphery: | right, the tarball is old and has 78 missing bug fixes |
| [18:15:34] | N90: | and i have libmp3lame |
| [18:15:42] | EvilGuru: | N90: What is wrong with the prebuild packages? |
| [18:15:49] | sphery: | http://mythbuntu.org/repos is brand new--100% current with all known bug fixes |
| [18:15:55] | N90: | ok |
| [18:15:58] | EvilGuru: | *prebuilt |
| [18:16:11] | sphery: | it's much better than the tarball... tarballs are always a bad idea for any user |
| [18:16:23] | sphery: | and, really, unless you're modifying code, you're best off using packages |
| [18:16:43] | N90: | i resolved |
| [18:16:46] | EvilGuru: | And if you're hacking code you want the latest version from git — or is it svn |
| [18:16:56] | sphery: | from git |
| [18:17:21] | ** EvilGuru has no idea where he got the idea that mythtv went back to svn ** | |
| [18:17:57] | N90: | bb |
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| [18:22:31] | sphery: | wagnerrp: FWIW, that Thomas Boehm backtrace seems to indicate a failure squarely in the ffmpeg code... What do we do, now? Ask him to test with mythffmpeg (and see the crash), then test with current libav or ffmpeg? |
| [18:22:45] | wagnerrp: | yeah, looks that way to me |
| [18:22:48] | wagnerrp: | im downloading a copy to test |
| [18:23:14] | sphery: | ah, so you're going to test on master mythffmpeg? |
| [18:23:19] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [18:23:22] | sphery: | cool |
| [18:23:37] | wagnerrp: | http://twit.cachefly.net/video/ttg/ttg0787/tt . . . x240_128.mp4 |
| [18:24:22] | sphery: | I have old ffmpeg (and will not be upgrading it on my systems), so I'll trust your testing :) |
| [18:25:40] | wagnerrp: | long episode |
| [18:25:47] | wagnerrp: | ~190MB even at that poor quality |
| [18:26:59] | wagnerrp: | dont we have a twit grabber for mythnetvision? |
| [18:28:34] | sphery: | yeah |
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| [18:31:46] | EvilGuru: | Sigh. http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2010/0 . . . nd_soun.html |
| [18:33:01] | wagnerrp: | what? |
| [18:33:41] | EvilGuru: | wagnerrp: BBC are opting for 5.1 AAC over AC-3 on HD channels because of the need for audio descriptions to work on poorly designed STBs |
| [18:33:59] | wagnerrp: | whats wrong with 5.1 AAC? |
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| [18:34:16] | EvilGuru: | Can't carry it over SPDIF, many receivers do not support it |
| [18:34:53] | wagnerrp: | use HDMI/LPCM |
| [18:35:08] | wagnerrp: | or rig up the ALSA module for on-the-fly AC3 encoding |
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| [18:35:24] | EvilGuru: | wagnerrp: You'd be surprised how many pre-HDMI receivers there are |
| [18:35:39] | wagnerrp: | right, latter option then |
| [18:35:51] | ** wagnerrp is using a pre-SPDIF receiver ** | |
| [18:36:05] | EvilGuru: | Yeah, that is the myth solution, but for people who just want to buy an HD STB |
| [18:36:29] | wagnerrp: | composite video and stereo Prologic baby! yeah! |
| [18:36:47] | EvilGuru: | You joke, but ITV1 HD uses two channel pro logic |
| [18:37:04] | EvilGuru: | although composite was never too popular over here due to RGB scart |
| [18:37:09] | wagnerrp: | ugh... |
| [18:37:55] | wagnerrp: | the prologic circuit in my receiver is hosed anyway |
| [18:38:07] | wagnerrp: | any time you try to use it, you get wild volume level fluxuations |
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| [18:38:48] | EvilGuru: | at least the second revision of pro logic was not too bad |
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| [18:40:59] | Shiggs|MB: | k so it's recompiled |
| [18:42:36] | Shiggs|MB: | I still can't scan channels |
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| [18:42:47] | Shiggs|MB: | should I make ANOTHER database? |
| [18:42:48] | Shiggs|MB: | >_> |
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| [18:43:37] | wagnerrp: | i dont know why you keep making new databases |
| [18:44:13] | shiggity: | mythconverg was crippled by 0.25 |
| [18:44:13] | trumee: | OT, is there any cheap low power rack which can take 4–5 hdds? I want to dismantle my big computer and move to a low power device. |
| [18:44:23] | wagnerrp: | so delete it, and start fresh |
| [18:44:31] | shiggity: | yeah |
| [18:44:32] | wagnerrp: | or recover from the backup made prior to the update |
| [18:44:32] | shiggity: | I have |
| [18:44:37] | shiggity: | >_> |
| [18:44:41] | wagnerrp: | but you were using mythconverg2 |
| [18:44:46] | sphery: | EvilGuru: wow, if they did that in the US, there would be an $8B government program to upgrade the STBs for those poor citizens who didn't have HDMI support. |
| [18:44:47] | shiggity: | nah I mae another |
| [18:44:49] | shiggity: | made* |
| [18:44:51] | wagnerrp: | which would indicate mythconverg were still otherwise around |
| [18:44:54] | shiggity: | 'ShiggityTVShows' |
| [18:45:05] | shiggity: | and it's active |
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| [18:45:27] | trumee: | These NAS devices are expensive. I want to get a rack which has a usb interface or esata. I will hook it onto my openwrt router |
| [18:45:50] | wagnerrp: | trumee: you run mythtv? |
| [18:45:55] | trumee: | and switch on my big computer only when required |
| [18:46:00] | trumee: | wagnerrp: yes |
| [18:46:08] | wagnerrp: | so you have a linux server? |
| [18:46:21] | trumee: | wagnerrp: yes + an openwrt router |
| [18:46:30] | wagnerrp: | why not just use the linux server as your NAS? |
| [18:46:39] | trumee: | wagnerrp: Because it is power hungry |
| [18:46:54] | wagnerrp: | and anything running openwrt will be painfully power lacking |
| [18:47:13] | sphery: | are you intending to play recordings off the NAS using direct file access (i.e. without mythtv) when your mythtv linux server isn't running? |
| [18:47:19] | trumee: | wagnerrp: i dont need myth all the time. But i do need to access files on the harddisks. So i want to detach hdds from the mythtv box |
| [18:47:26] | sphery: | otherwise, seems you'll need mythtv server running to use mythtv... |
| [18:47:48] | wagnerrp: | what is this 'power hungry' server? |
| [18:47:55] | wagnerrp: | i mean what specs? |
| [18:48:05] | trumee: | sphery: yes, most of the files are accessed via mythvideo atm. |
| [18:48:20] | trumee: | wagnerrp: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4200+ |
| [18:48:42] | sphery: | could just get a single-disk-enclosure and hook it to your openwrt and put the non-recording/non-mythtv files on it and have dedicated storage for mythtv (which is the preferred approach, anyway) if it's non-mythtv files you want to access when mythtv isn't running |
| [18:48:56] | wagnerrp: | if you enable cool&quiet, that chip should sip power at <20W |
| [18:49:03] | sphery: | 65W TDP proc, which probably idles... ^^^ |
| [18:49:23] | wagnerrp: | between power supply inefficiencies, motherboard, and onboard video, you should be looking at 40–50W not including hard drives and tuners |
| [18:49:24] | trumee: | sphery: i like that approach. Problem is i need an enclosure which can take 4–5 hdds |
| [18:49:37] | wagnerrp: | 4–5 hard drives, meaning youre going to be running RAID? |
| [18:49:38] | sphery: | you need 4–5hdds for non-mythtv data? |
| [18:50:04] | sphery: | I meant stick 4–5 HDDs in mythtv box and only 1 in enclosure connected to openwrt for non-mythtv data |
| [18:50:35] | sphery: | (as I'm assuming you have large space requirements for mythtv and lesser requirements for non-mythtv data--where a single 2 or 3TB HDD would suffice?) |
| [18:50:40] | trumee: | sphery: i want the reverse, 1 hdd connected to mythtv box and 4–5 HDDs connected to openwrt |
| [18:51:20] | sphery: | OK, it's also possible (depending on vintage) that your 4200+ is an 89W TDP proc--which will have greater power requirements |
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| [18:51:32] | wagnerrp: | trumee: these 4–5 hard drives would be RAIDed? |
| [18:51:33] | sphery: | (most of the 89W ones don't scale that well when idle) |
| [18:51:37] | trumee: | sphery: no |
| [18:51:42] | trumee: | wagnerrp: no |
| [18:51:44] | sphery: | trumee: right, but why? |
| [18:51:58] | sphery: | do you really need mythtv recordings to be accessible without mythtv running? |
| [18:52:14] | sphery: | if not, save the power those hard drives would use and shut them down with the mythtv box |
| [18:52:16] | wagnerrp: | sphery: yeah, my old 110W didnt scale well either |
| [18:52:19] | sphery: | (just my opinion) |
| [18:52:25] | trumee: | sphery: most of the stuff are transcoded files which i use with mythvideo. |
| [18:52:33] | wagnerrp: | 1.8GHz X2 |
| [18:52:38] | sphery: | and you can't use mythvideo without the backend, so... |
| [18:52:59] | wagnerrp: | one of the original dual core models |
| [18:53:01] | trumee: | sphery: yes, i know. But they can be accessed via other means if i need that |
| [18:53:22] | trumee: | sphery: atm i have to keep the machine switched on to access these drives |
| [18:53:25] | sphery: | or you can do a wakeonlan call to wake that box when you need the recordings when the mythtv box isn't running :) |
| [18:53:50] | marsilainen: | hi, in some places in the UI my tuners seem to get listed wrongly – I seem to see duplicate entries; eg. if I'm watching live TV and I bring up the on screen menu and select "Source -> Switch Input" I then see listed: Homerun 0, Homerun 1, Homerun 1 |
| [18:54:02] | sphery: | right... I'm just saying move all the "shouldn't be on a mythtv box's storage, anyway" non-MythTV data off those hard drives and put it on a separate network attached drive |
| [18:54:04] | trumee: | sphery: yes that is a possibility. So are you saying there are no cheap enclosures for 4–5 hdds? |
| [18:54:10] | marsilainen: | note that Homerun 1 is listed twice there... |
| [18:54:14] | wagnerrp: | marsilainen: that sounds right |
| [18:54:19] | marsilainen: | how come? |
| [18:54:32] | wagnerrp: | you can record multiple shows simultaneously from one digital tuner |
| [18:54:37] | sphery: | I haven't ever looked... just think that mixing your non-mythtv data on the same drives as mythtv data is a bad idea in general |
| [18:54:42] | wagnerrp: | mythtv does that through virtual tuners |
| [18:54:46] | marsilainen: | ah ok |
| [18:54:51] | wagnerrp: | you are seeing two virtual tuners tied to the one physical one |
| [18:54:56] | marsilainen: | right, I see |
| [18:55:07] | wagnerrp: | you are currently using one of Homerun 0, which is why you only see the other |
| [18:55:17] | wagnerrp: | if you switched to Homerun 1, you would see two of 0 |
| [18:55:19] | marsilainen: | so with my 2 hdhomerun tuners I can actually watch 4 programs simultaneously? |
| [18:55:28] | sphery: | trumee: especially since you've already made the power-efficient decision to shut down your mythtv box when not needed... So might as well shut it all down, including the hard drives with mythtv data |
| [18:55:37] | wagnerrp: | yes, so long as they are on two multiplexes |
| [18:55:39] | marsilainen: | I'm guessing this is assuming programmes are on the same multiplex |
| [18:55:40] | marsilainen: | sure |
| [18:55:43] | marsilainen: | ok, thanks |
| [18:55:45] | trumee: | sphery: thanks i will look around. are there any cheap energy meters to measure power? |
| [18:56:05] | sphery: | then just put the non-mythtv data that you need "constant" availability of on a different drive on your openwrt |
| [18:56:11] | sphery: | I like the Kill-a-Watt |
| [18:56:16] | wagnerrp: | kill-a-watt units are fairly cheap |
| [18:56:32] | sphery: | there are some others, now, that also do things like "measure" your CO2 footprint... |
| [18:57:00] | wagnerrp: | hah, what a joke |
| [18:57:03] | sphery: | trumee: if in the US: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp . . . ;x=0&y=0 |
| [18:57:04] | marsilainen: | hah |
| [18:57:17] | trumee: | sphery:cheers |
| [18:57:25] | marsilainen: | does that include the C02 used to build the measuring device? :) |
| [18:57:48] | wagnerrp: | does that include the CO2 emitted by the nearby nuke plant? |
| [18:58:02] | sphery: | wagnerrp: I'm just waiting for them to upgrade the Kill-A-Watt... I have a P3 Kill A Watt Electricity Load Meter and Monitor... I can't wait 'til they move them to Core i7 Kill A Watt Electricity Load Meter and Monitor... :D |
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| [18:58:43] | sphery: | wagnerrp: yes, and the CO2 emitted by Homer Simpson as he sleeps in his chair with feet on the console with the big red button |
| [18:58:48] | sphery: | it's very accurate and stuff |
| [18:58:53] | wagnerrp: | electricity load meter and monitor? i see no such thing on mine |
| [18:59:08] | sphery: | heh, quoted name on newegg website |
| [18:59:18] | marsilainen: | if I'm viewing the on-screen programme schedule, is there a way to see the exact time that a programme starts? |
| [18:59:18] | sphery: | the P3 part being the focus of my joke |
| [18:59:32] | wagnerrp: | mines a P4400 |
| [18:59:40] | wagnerrp: | 4397 generations advanced |
| [18:59:40] | sphery: | marsilainen: details? U, IIRC (or INFO = I?) |
| [18:59:56] | sphery: | P3 International is the company |
| [19:00:08] | wagnerrp: | (yes, i know) |
| [19:00:19] | sphery: | mine's also a P4400 |
| [19:00:22] | trumee: | sphery: mythvideo on BE will be able to read nfs mounted videos sitting on the openwrt router? |
| [19:01:03] | marsilainen: | sphery: "programme degails" that I get by pressing an 'i' in a circle on my remote doesn't state the times |
| [19:01:03] | sphery: | trumee: yes, but then you'll nfs it from the openwrt router to backend, then stream it to frontend using mythproto |
| [19:01:28] | marsilainen: | sphery: don't have a key mapped to anything else to show details I don't think, but I'll have to look into that |
| [19:01:40] | trumee: | sphery: yes, that is the idea. is that a problem? |
| [19:01:43] | marsilainen: | also, should there be a way to jump forward a day in the schedule or something like that? |
| [19:01:44] | sphery: | I still think the "put all mythtv hdds on the mythtv box and put only non-mythtv data on the openwrt" approach makes more sense |
| [19:02:27] | sphery: | not a problem... just seems a lot of work and expense to make those videos--which will require a lot of storage space--available all the time, even when mythtv box isn't running |
| [19:02:58] | sphery: | that said, "Not a problem" implies "until you've max'ed out the I/O capabilities of the woefully underpowered CPU in the openwrt router" :) |
| [19:03:27] | sphery: | i.e. if you have multiple users hitting the nfs share plus the overhead of USB 2.x and below, you may have performance issues |
| [19:03:34] | sphery: | but networking and mythtv wise, no problems |
| [19:03:45] | trumee: | sphery: *nod* |
| [19:04:09] | sphery: | I take it you actually access these videos a lot when mythtv isn't running? |
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| [19:04:13] | marsilainen: | one final question: I've noticed that if I'm watching live tv when crossing the boundary from one programme to the next everything hangs for a few seconds (I guess whilst it is ending the previous recording and starting a new one?) should I expect it to hang like that? |
| [19:04:21] | sphery: | since you really seem set on making them available all the time |
| [19:04:37] | marsilainen: | it can be a bit annoying when it's the news starting on the hour as it can mean I miss the start of the headlines... |
| [19:04:51] | sphery: | marsilainen: don't know my EPG that well... I can look later when I have a mythtv box and display running |
| [19:04:55] | wagnerrp: | marsilainen: you should expect it, but only because of a regression in the code |
| [19:05:03] | EvilGuru: | marsilainen: Yeah, known issue |
| [19:05:05] | sphery: | but there /should/ be a way to see exact start/end times |
| [19:05:12] | marsilainen: | ah ok, fair enough, thanks |
| [19:05:25] | wagnerrp: | the code was optimized for one scenario, and that was made to suffer as a result |
| [19:05:37] | EvilGuru: | wagnerrp: Ah, so the cause has been found, outstanding |
| [19:05:43] | wagnerrp: | since few if any devs use livetv, no one noticed it, or if they did, cared to fix it |
| [19:05:50] | marsilainen: | :) |
| [19:05:58] | wagnerrp: | EvilGuru: i didnt say it was fixed or found |
| [19:06:13] | marsilainen: | I guess my usage pattern will change to not using livetv too much – but I do like to watch news channel in the background at times... |
| [19:06:33] | EvilGuru: | wagnerrp: Fixed I'm not too concerned out — I just dislike mysteries |
| [19:07:11] | sphery: | Sir Arthur Conan Doyle rolls over in his grave |
| [19:07:30] | wagnerrp: | its likely something to do with the signal monitor stuff |
| [19:07:57] | wagnerrp: | thats the only thing i can think off of hand done prior to 0.24 that might have caused that |
| [19:08:51] | sphery: | marsilainen: the best solution is to not use Live TV... record everything--and, yes, I mean everything including news and sports broadcasts -> http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/387302#387302 |
| [19:10:01] | marsilainen: | sure... I can see the point for most things... just not sure that it's the optimal solution for rolling news... |
| [19:10:14] | marsilainen: | obviously as a work-around fair enough |
| [19:10:22] | marsilainen: | but still not the optimal situation IMHO |
| [19:10:29] | EvilGuru: | marsilainen: It is only a 2–3 second pause, tops |
| [19:11:01] | marsilainen: | don't get me wrong – I'm not complaining, it's not the worst issue in the world |
| [19:11:17] | marsilainen: | just a little annoyance that's all |
| [19:14:22] | ** sphery needs to make a nice comic showing a TV with bolts projecting from its "neck" and hooke dup to a large electrical system with lightning in the background and a mad doctor yelling, "It's Live", then showing other panes with the TV standing over a dead young boy and villagers running after the TV with pitchforks and torches ** | |
| [19:15:00] | EvilGuru: | Live tv is quite nice when you're watching the news and have no interest in sport |
| [19:15:10] | EvilGuru: | easy to go sky <=> bbc |
| [19:15:58] | sphery: | marsilainen: the point is that you can set up recording rules to record you favorite news broadcasts and "record new and delete old" with a "max episodes" of 1 (so it always deletes the old stuff automatically) and then you can actually watch your news whenever you get time--instead of having to be there at the start to not miss the scrolling info you're afraid to miss |
| [19:16:13] | sphery: | /and/ mythtv can then optimize placement of recordings to ensure best allocation of tuners and resources |
| [19:16:25] | awoodland: | is it correct that the only FTA HD channel w_scan finds with DVB-S2 on Astra 28.2E is Channel 4 HD? |
| [19:16:42] | sphery: | /and/ you can have it recording news from multiple channels and flip back and forth between them (as if you were in Live TV) using previous recording buttons... |
| [19:17:03] | sphery: | it's only not the optimal solution for those who are stuck in their old ways... ;) |
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| [19:17:20] | sphery: | there are a lot of other benefits, too |
| [19:17:28] | marsilainen: | sure, but since I just tend to turn on rolling news when I feel like it to check the latest news I'd really need to record the whole of the news channel... which I guess is ok... but... I guess I'd have to set the recording priorities such that it wouldn't get in the way of other recordings? |
| [19:17:36] | mikeishooligan: | Hi, I'm looking for some help on getting mythtv set up with my satellite dish. I have just switched to satellite from basic cable and am having difficulty getting my IR blaster to work. (I have the hauppauge hvr-1600, it comes with an IR Receiver and blaster) and I can't get it working so I can't get any channels in mythtv |
| [19:17:47] | marsilainen: | as in that it wouldn't tie up the tuner if it's needed etc |
| [19:18:08] | sphery: | yeah, could do something like that |
| [19:18:50] | sphery: | I guess I'm just not interested in getting the "most current" news--since IME it's all just the same news from last hour or 3 hours ago, but repeated differently |
| [19:19:12] | sphery: | and with different viewer letters and different blog/flicker/whatever photos of the event |
| [19:19:38] | sphery: | and all of which is actually described more professionally/succinctly in the "main" news broadcasts |
| [19:19:53] | sphery: | that said, I don't watch the news since it's all just profit-motivated garbage, anymore |
| [19:21:56] | mikeishooligan: | does anyone have the hvr-1600? If so, did you get the IR blaster working? |
| [19:21:59] | sphery: | nice, I didn't know how to preserve an episode in mythweb... |
| [19:22:08] | sphery: | just found out on the -users list (glad we have a way) |
| [19:22:39] | EvilGuru: | sphery: At least here in the UK the main broadcasts are simulcast from the news channels |
| [19:22:39] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp, EvilGuru, sphery: sorry – had to leave there... yea, I want the 8600 because it's basically the most powerful VDPAU capable card with component output |
| [19:22:59] | wagnerrp: | skd5aner: a 9500GT? |
| [19:23:01] | EvilGuru: | skd5aner: My 275GTX has component |
| [19:23:13] | EvilGuru: | wagnerrp: An 8600 > 9500GT |
| [19:23:21] | EvilGuru: | But the 9600GT has component, also |
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| [19:23:49] | wagnerrp: | EvilGuru: seriously? ive not seen anything from the GT line with analog tv outputs |
| [19:24:43] | EvilGuru: | Dual dual-link DVI + component |
| [19:25:21] | EvilGuru: | Which is (arguably) nice than the 240GT I got to replace it with HDMI + DVI + VGA (and working VDPAU!) |
| [19:26:45] | skd5aner: | yea, I have a 240GT which works great for now... |
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| [19:27:14] | skd5aner: | but I'd like to relocate my frontend to my wiring closet, which I've homeran mini-coax and terminated for component when I built the house |
| [19:27:25] | EvilGuru: | the fan control has never worked on mine so I am tempted to remove it |
| [19:27:32] | skd5aner: | it'd be nice if I could send the signal without having to worry about baluns |
| [19:27:46] | skd5aner: | the 9600 has component out? |
| [19:28:58] | EvilGuru: | Yep |
| [19:29:14] | skd5aner: | a bit pricey though |
| [19:29:47] | EvilGuru: | Can you not remove the mini-coax and run HDMI |
| [19:29:56] | skd5aner: | in the walls? |
| [19:30:00] | EvilGuru: | if you're lucky you can get it 100ft |
| [19:30:16] | skd5aner: | heh – no :) I did it during the construction of the house |
| [19:30:28] | wagnerrp: | you didnt put it in snag-free conduit? |
| [19:30:40] | skd5aner: | they're there... and it wouldn't be trivial/possible to run new |
| [19:30:51] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: I strongly considered it... |
| [19:30:53] | wagnerrp: | such that you could use one cable to pull the new through |
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| [19:31:11] | skd5aner: | it was the plan to do it that way, but ended up not being able to do it (long story) |
| [19:31:19] | EvilGuru: | skd5aner: What do you do for audio? Long spdif? |
| [19:31:31] | skd5aner: | I do have conduit to get things between the basement to the attic |
| [19:31:38] | skd5aner: | some massive 3" pipes |
| [19:32:08] | skd5aner: | EvilGuru: nope, everything would be in the wiring closet in the basement – speaker wire is ran to the walls |
| [19:32:38] | skd5aner: | so, receiver/amp would stay with all the other A/V gear – only thing at the TV, would be the TV itself |
| [19:33:48] | skd5aner: | I've got a bundle of 5 mini-cox (RGB+Left/Right audio), 2 RG6QS, 4 Cat6 for future-proof baluns, and 2 cat6 for data to every TV location in the house |
| [19:34:19] | skd5aner: | all home runned to a closet in the basement |
| [19:34:33] | EvilGuru: | skd5aner: Cat6 = dead |
| [19:34:45] | skd5aner: | I figured I can put IR over Cat6 |
| [19:34:53] | EvilGuru: | Cat6a or Cat7 are needed to 10gbit/s |
| [19:34:56] | skd5aner: | EvilGuru: heh – I wasn't about to run fiber |
| [19:35:05] | EvilGuru: | But, you might be able to run HDMI over cat6 |
| [19:35:14] | awoodland: | running fibre is cheap if you don't make it off isn't it? |
| [19:35:30] | skd5aner: | You can easily run HDMI over cat6... and what I have is actually Cat6a I believe (but don't recall) |
| [19:35:44] | skd5aner: | awoodland: fiber is not cheap |
| [19:35:47] | EvilGuru: | Cat6a is the (more) useful one |
| [19:35:55] | wagnerrp: | sure it is, comparatively |
| [19:36:04] | wagnerrp: | run fiber now, dont have to in 10 years |
| [19:36:18] | wagnerrp: | in 10 years, when you have to tear out the walls to do so, it will be expensive |
| [19:36:19] | skd5aner: | lol |
| [19:36:31] | EvilGuru: | wagnerrp: Depends on the wavelengths being shoved through it |
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| [19:36:51] | wagnerrp: | EvilGuru: im talking about cable versus installation cost |
| [19:37:06] | skd5aner: | there wasn't a use case now, and honestly I don't think the cost would ever be wort it truthfully |
| [19:37:07] | wagnerrp: | cable cost is inconsequential compared to installation |
| [19:37:19] | skd5aner: | I did it all myself, so labor was $0 |
| [19:37:39] | skd5aner: | and I know I won't ever retrofit the house, in fact – I know that I most likely won't be living here in 10 years anyway |
| [19:37:50] | EvilGuru: | It is hard to see household data requirements going past 10gbit/s |
| [19:37:56] | awoodland: | single mod fibre: http://www.pccableonline.com/200-FT-200FT-Bul . . . GB&id=uk |
| [19:38:07] | EvilGuru: | if only because so many people use wireless with has virtually no bandwidth |
| [19:38:10] | skd5aner: | but, the copper in the walls will last me in the foreseeable future, hence the 4 runs of cat6 to each TV for baluns |
| [19:38:12] | awoodland: | @EvilGuru – I'm sure someone set that about 10BASE-T |
| [19:38:18] | wagnerrp: | 25 years ago, its hard to see household data requirements going past 10mbit |
| [19:38:28] | EvilGuru: | awoodland: And the wireless in most houses is worse than 10base-t |
| [19:38:45] | awoodland: | true |
| [19:38:49] | wagnerrp: | EvilGuru: right, and see what happens when you try to pump video through it |
| [19:38:54] | AndyCap: | just imagine the bandwidth your teleporter will need |
| [19:39:10] | AndyCap: | or your holodeck |
| [19:39:29] | skd5aner: | so, anyway – what's the point of arguing "coulda/shoulda/woulda" or "you could have spent a few more thousand dollars and another few days of hard work and ran something that really has no use case now, and possibly never will"? |
| [19:39:46] | skd5aner: | I mean – sure – in a perfect world |
| [19:39:52] | skd5aner: | with lots o time and money |
| [19:39:56] | skd5aner: | I would have run fiber :P |
| [19:40:04] | EvilGuru: | skd5aner: So can you not run HDMI over the cat6? |
| [19:40:26] | wagnerrp: | awoodland: is there any reason to use single mode fiber short range? |
| [19:40:27] | skd5aner: | yes, I can... but baluns are expensive... (not terribly so, but...) |
| [19:40:57] | awoodland: | not really. It was cheap for a spool for discussion |
| [19:41:19] | skd5aner: | EvilGuru: the other thing is that my TV is a few generations old pllasma – and doesn't accept native resolutions over HDMI – it's kind of annoying |
| [19:41:38] | EvilGuru: | skd5aner: Does it accept RGBHV? |
| [19:41:53] | EvilGuru: | As if you've run five wires you can take the VGA from almost anything |
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| [19:42:19] | wagnerrp: | you do NOT want to run VGA unshielded |
| [19:42:24] | wagnerrp: | it must be coax |
| [19:42:29] | skd5aner: | the coax is shielded |
| [19:42:31] | EvilGuru: | wagnerrp: I think he said mini-coax |
| [19:42:42] | wagnerrp: | right, but there was also mention of cat6 |
| [19:42:54] | skd5aner: | that would be for balun use |
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| [19:43:40] | skd5aner: | the TV accepts component, composite, svideo, coax, hdmi and vga |
| [19:44:10] | skd5aner: | would there be a way to do vga over the minicoax and spit it back out to VGA? |
| [19:44:18] | EvilGuru: | skd5aner: It is quite common |
| [19:44:35] | skd5aner: | That would actually be perfect if so |
| [19:44:52] | skd5aner: | that's actually what I'm outputting now from my frontend – is VGA, cause the input accepts the native resolution of the TV |
| [19:44:57] | skd5aner: | no scaling |
| [19:45:08] | EvilGuru: | VGA is a pain to run for long distances, so it is usually broken out and run over real coax |
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| [19:46:00] | skd5aner: | well, I could always try... I have the measurements of all my runs written down – but off the top of my head I think the primary run I'm referring to is about 40' |
| [19:46:28] | EvilGuru: | Get a couple of breakout cables, most places give you 30 day returns |
| [19:47:45] | skd5aner: | looks like they usually use BNC connectors on those cables instead of RCA |
| [19:48:51] | EvilGuru: | If you can not find a 5xRCA either get an adapter or re-terminate the ends with BNCs |
| [19:49:08] | skd5aner: | yea |
| [19:49:10] | skd5aner: | easy enough |
| [19:51:36] | skd5aner: | EvilGuru: thanks for the idea, I didn't really think about it, but that would really be a great solution if it handles the distance alright |
| [19:52:00] | skd5aner: | I knew VGA-->Component wasn't really an option, even though they sell cables for it :P |
| [19:52:17] | skd5aner: | but didn't really thin about RGBHV and back |
| [19:52:44] | EvilGuru: | No DDC, but that is no huge loss |
| [19:53:10] | skd5aner: | that's basically the EDID info? |
| [19:53:23] | EvilGuru: | Yeah |
| [19:53:39] | skd5aner: | or the ability to do 2-way communication between the video card and the monitor I should say |
| [19:56:19] | skd5aner: | man the cables are expensive – might be just as cheap to get an HDMI balun :) |
| [19:57:40] | EvilGuru: | skd5aner: Can probably wire one up yourself if you're confident |
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| [19:58:08] | skd5aner: | just pinout a vga cable to some minicoax? |
| [19:58:14] | EvilGuru: | As a VGA cable is just mini coax inside, so you can strip one down |
| [19:58:37] | EvilGuru: | If it doesn't work you've just destroyed a VGA cable and 30min of your day :) |
| [19:58:51] | skd5aner: | http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1056692 |
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| [20:00:30] | skd5aner: | sounds like a fun project for the weekend, thanks EvilGuru :) |
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| [20:08:00] | jeev: | hi, does myth tv support cablecard? |
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| [20:08:09] | wagnerrp: | sorta |
| [20:08:30] | jeev: | yea i just searched, still reading 2007 |
| [20:08:30] | jeev: | hmm |
| [20:08:47] | wagnerrp: | mythtv supports the communications API used by the HDHomeRun and Hauppauge cablecard tuners |
| [20:08:55] | wagnerrp: | support for the Ceton tuners is being developed |
| [20:09:07] | wagnerrp: | however since mythtv is not authorized to access cablecard content |
| [20:09:23] | wagnerrp: | those devices will only allow mythtv to access the 'copy freely' channels |
| [20:09:36] | jeev: | oh |
| [20:09:44] | jeev: | i'm trying to find a way to dump these stupid charter boxes |
| [20:09:52] | wagnerrp: | note that 'copy freely' and 'unencrypted' are not the same thing |
| [20:10:06] | wagnerrp: | content can be unencrypted and copy protected, or encrypted and unprotected |
| [20:10:27] | likwid--_: | how often are shows using 'copy prevented' methods? |
| [20:10:38] | wagnerrp: | depends on the carrier |
| [20:10:57] | likwid--_: | well using is a cable card is because you want premium channels for the most part.. |
| [20:11:02] | likwid--_: | hbo's? |
| [20:11:05] | wagnerrp: | WOW and Comcast run most standard channels unprotected, only enabling it on premium channels |
| [20:11:24] | wagnerrp: | while comcast will encrypt anything other then the broadcast channels |
| [20:11:39] | wagnerrp: | however time warner protects everything |
| [20:11:42] | wagnerrp: | charter... i dont know |
| [20:12:32] | jeev: | that sucks, the cable card should handle the protection stuff |
| [20:12:49] | wagnerrp: | how would the cablecard handle the protection stuff? |
| [20:13:26] | wagnerrp: | mythtv only operates on unencrypted content, and being open source, has no means of offering protection on its own |
| [20:13:44] | jeev: | i dont know, one would think that having a valid cable card on your account would allow everything to come in |
| [20:13:58] | wagnerrp: | since mythtv cannot protect it, and more importantly is not licensed to protect it, the cablecard has to do so itself |
| [20:14:06] | wagnerrp: | and not allow the content to leave the protection of the card |
| [20:14:09] | likwid--_: | it would allow it to come in right? jjust not record it? |
| [20:14:18] | wagnerrp: | but mythtv records everything |
| [20:14:34] | likwid--_: | oo right. |
| [20:14:51] | wagnerrp: | jeev: you are confusing conditional access with copy protection |
| [20:15:15] | wagnerrp: | conditional access restricts content to only be used by authorized customers |
| [20:15:29] | wagnerrp: | copy protection restricts content from being used by authorized customers |
| [20:15:31] | jeev: | i'm a noob in this, i just found out about mythtv, dont know much about how tv stuff works. |
| [20:15:49] | jeev: | hm |
| [20:16:15] | wagnerrp: | in order to do that, it has to maintain a chain of protection from the user, from the point it comes on the cable, until it is displayed on the tv |
| [20:16:26] | wagnerrp: | open source simply cannot provide anything of that sort |
| [20:17:01] | wagnerrp: | the only PVR software capable of accessing copy protected content over cablecard is Windows Media Center |
| [20:17:46] | wagnerrp: | as they are the only company that has spent the money developing such a pervasive copy-protected channel through the operating system, and more importantly, paid for testing by cable labs to be licensed to handle the content |
| [20:18:24] | jeev: | bah |
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| [20:20:15] | wagnerrp: | and thus comes the true purpose of DRM |
| [20:20:21] | jeev: | bastards |
| [20:20:25] | wagnerrp: | not to protect the content from piracy |
| [20:20:26] | jeev: | i would've loved building boxes |
| [20:20:45] | jeev: | i dont want to build and still pay the company |
| [20:20:46] | wagnerrp: | but to protect the content from the user, and keeping control in the hands of a few small corporations |
| [20:21:10] | skd5aner: | yea, sucks don't it? |
| [20:21:15] | jeev: | sucks walls. |
| [20:21:35] | wagnerrp: | i dont know how andy would feel about that |
| [20:21:47] | jeev: | who's andy |
| [20:21:51] | wagnerrp: | walls |
| [20:22:03] | jeev: | i'm sure this 'andy walls' character would enjoy it |
| [20:22:07] | wagnerrp: | !seen awalls |
| [20:22:08] | MythLogBot: | awalls was last seen 9 days 56 minutes 21 seconds ago |
| [20:22:26] | jeev: | is he a dev? |
| [20:22:34] | wagnerrp: | linuxtv, not mythtv |
| [20:22:47] | likwid--_: | so, the only way to get premium content is then with cable settop boxes and firewire right? |
| [20:22:52] | jeev: | ok, i'm being serious here. $10 bounty for getting a cable card to show all the channels i'm authorized to view and make it work on mythtv for lifetime. |
| [20:23:04] | wagnerrp: | 'for lifetime'? |
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| [20:23:26] | skd5aner: | you can get an HD-PVR and record whatever the STB outputs on Component |
| [20:23:27] | jeev: | yea, like if charter updates something |
| [20:23:28] | jeev: | ;) |
| [20:23:31] | skd5aner: | you still have to pay for the STB |
| [20:23:38] | jeev: | i really dont care about recording |
| [20:23:41] | skd5aner: | firewire is hit or miss |
| [20:23:44] | jeev: | if i want to record something, i'll downoad that shit. |
| [20:23:54] | jeev: | i just pay the cable company for watching 1 hour a month |
| [20:23:55] | wagnerrp: | yeah, we dont do that around here |
| [20:24:13] | jeev: | i know but you know what i'm saying ? i want to watch that on my tv, without paying them so much for a bunch of boxdes |
| [20:24:15] | jeev: | boxes |
| [20:24:21] | wagnerrp: | those activities, or that languages |
| [20:24:46] | wagnerrp: | for copy freely content, you can buy a cablecard content, rent a cablecard, and record it with mythtv |
| [20:24:48] | skd5aner: | jeev: yea, we know – but that's how it works. and downloading TV, other than through the network approved mechanisms, isn't permitted around here |
| [20:24:50] | EvilGuru: | jeev: I'm all for fair use, but that sounds like theft |
| [20:24:54] | wagnerrp: | for anything else, you will need a box and an analog capture device |
| [20:25:20] | jeev: | EvilGuru, how is it theft? i'm not talking about downoad. i dont remember the last time i downloaded anything like that. |
| [20:25:37] | jeev: | i pay my cable fee, i should be able to watch it on a box that i build |
| [20:25:50] | jeev: | but if they encrypt it and mythtv is unable to because of the stupid DRM, that's unfortunate for the fcc allowing that garbage |
| [20:25:53] | wagnerrp: | yes, you can watch whatever you record on a box you build |
| [20:26:11] | wagnerrp: | you just have to record using analog capture and one of their cable boxes |
| [20:26:11] | jeev: | i understand, i think the point of mythtv is recording, eh? |
| [20:26:13] | jeev: | i dont really dvr much. |
| [20:26:30] | jeev: | i will however attempt it, just for the knowledge. |
| [20:26:39] | jeev: | will an atom d525mw be sufficient enough or too weak ? |
| [20:26:54] | wagnerrp: | depends on how you are recording |
| [20:27:15] | wagnerrp: | its going to be marginal for anything HD, out of the question for analog capture from an HDPVR |
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| [20:27:25] | jeev: | oh |
| [20:27:36] | wagnerrp: | and its going to struggle running the scheduler against a large cable lineup |
| [20:27:48] | jeev: | i see |
| [20:28:10] | jeev: | so correct me if i'm wrong, the point of mythtv is pretty much to have your own dvr, rather than renting it ? |
| [20:28:14] | jeev: | and obviously some other plugins and features |
| [20:28:25] | wagnerrp: | correct |
| [20:28:37] | jeev: | cool, is there quality loss from component? i actually never used component. |
| [20:28:44] | jeev: | oh well i did for some lame consoles ;) |
| [20:28:49] | wagnerrp: | not noticeably |
| [20:29:04] | EvilGuru: | jeev: Anything where you reencode there will be quality loss, but it is not really visible |
| [20:29:29] | jeev: | mag0o, the happauge or whatever it is, obviously more powerful than the atom ? |
| [20:29:35] | jeev: | must be byod |
| [20:29:49] | wagnerrp: | hauppauge more powerful than atom? |
| [20:29:53] | wagnerrp: | im confused |
| [20:29:58] | jeev: | http://store.hauppauge.com/hardware2.asp?product=hd_pvr |
| [20:30:00] | wagnerrp: | hauppauge does not make CPUs |
| [20:30:05] | jeev: | i meant what is the different between this and one i can build |
| [20:30:13] | wagnerrp: | one what? |
| [20:30:29] | jeev: | a pvr |
| [20:30:44] | kormoc: | jeev, you're asking why a cpu and a video card perform differently. The hardware was optimized for different tasks |
| [20:30:51] | wagnerrp: | the 'HDPVR' is a video capture device |
| [20:30:52] | jeev: | understood |
| [20:30:54] | jeev: | oh |
| [20:31:03] | wagnerrp: | it captures component video, compresses it, and sends it to the video over USB |
| [20:31:09] | wagnerrp: | it is not a tivo-like device |
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| [20:31:31] | jeev: | ok cool i will brb, thanks forthe help |
| [20:32:42] | wagnerrp: | ugh... CBS is getting even crappier |
| [20:33:06] | wagnerrp: | they forgot to flip back to HD after an SD commercial a few weeks back during flashpoint |
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| [20:43:30] | jeev: | hm |
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| [20:50:39] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: they're broadcasting evering in 480i? |
| [20:51:20] | wagnerrp: | no, theyre broadcasting in 1080i, pillarboxed, with the analog VBI garbage at the top |
| [20:52:15] | skd5aner: | seizure inducing |
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| [21:04:37] | wagnerrp: | yeouch... 4pt font on an email from John Reid |
| [21:04:46] | skd5aner: | 10% chance of rain today... and it's starting to downpour |
| [21:15:10] | ** skd5aner is very impatient when it comes to waiting on an RMA to be processed and returned ** | |
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| [21:16:34] | sphery: | wagnerrp: I'm sure it would be perfectly readable with a nice retina display |
| [21:17:17] | likwid--_: | so a cable card implemenation vs a firewire implementation (supported motorola ive seen in the list), is one or the other going to have more problems with the "copy freely" issue? |
| [21:17:27] | sphery: | (actually, it's /quite/ readable if you set your client to display plain text only instead of html :) |
| [21:18:01] | wagnerrp: | likwid--_: cable companies were required to offer functional firewire support... up until earlier this year |
| [21:18:25] | wagnerrp: | there was never any stipulation that copy freely channels had to be offered without 5c |
| [21:18:42] | wagnerrp: | a cablecard tuner will work |
| [21:18:51] | wagnerrp: | firewire capture from a cable box MAY work |
| [21:19:21] | wagnerrp: | for the most part, it was more used for channel tuning with an analog capture device, in favor over an IR blaster |
| [21:20:00] | iamlindoro: | Not to mention that firewire "supported" list is useless |
| [21:20:17] | iamlindoro: | since what makes it work is the programming on your headend, not the box |
| [21:20:35] | likwid--_: | i have a friend who uses one already and was going to get the same model #, but with all the cable card talk and hdhomerunprime thought it was a viable alternative |
| [21:21:51] | likwid--_: | mmm i need to verify he is using firewire to record as well.. as opposed to just channel changing |
| [21:23:36] | wagnerrp: | a HDHomeRun prime costs $250, with a ~$2/mo cablecard rental |
| [21:23:46] | wagnerrp: | it replaced three cable boxes, each a $10/mo rental |
| [21:23:56] | wagnerrp: | it pays for itself in a year |
| [21:24:26] | wagnerrp: | or if you prefer, the hauppauge version has two tuners for $150 |
| [21:24:52] | wagnerrp: | so if firewire even is an option for you, a cablecard tuner is a much better option |
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| [21:25:27] | likwid--_: | i already have a hdhomerun (the 2tuner black version) that i am using for OTA. anyone use both in a setup and not have issues? not that id every record 5 shows at once but i suppose have the option is nice |
| [21:25:50] | likwid--_: | im more worried that the hdhomerun i have no just gets turned off and not used. |
| [21:26:12] | wagnerrp: | the original device is still better for broadcast channels |
| [21:26:26] | wagnerrp: | the cablecard version does not support multirec while in cablecard mode |
| [21:26:56] | wagnerrp: | meaning if you want to add any padding on back-to-back shows, thats going to require two tuners |
| [21:27:10] | likwid--_: | whats that mean, only 1 show can be recorded in the new device at a time? so i couldnt record discovery and history channel at the same time? |
| [21:27:17] | sphery: | per tuner |
| [21:27:17] | wagnerrp: | one show per tuner |
| [21:27:22] | wagnerrp: | there are three tuners in it |
| [21:27:40] | sphery: | multirec is using one tuner to record multiple shows from the same multiplex (frequency) |
| [21:27:47] | wagnerrp: | what it means is that if you want to record one show, and the next, on discovery channel |
| [21:27:52] | sphery: | or the same show to multiple locations or similar |
| [21:27:55] | wagnerrp: | and the guide data is a bit off, so you want to add some padding |
| [21:27:59] | wagnerrp: | you need two tuners to do that |
| [21:28:00] | jeev: | thanks for the help wagnerrp. |
| [21:28:02] | jeev: | bye |
| [21:28:19] | wagnerrp: | on the other hand, youre going to be recording cable channels with it, which have a tendency to do excessive reruns |
| [21:29:30] | likwid--_: | i seee |
| [21:30:55] | wagnerrp: | anyway, firewire should not really be considered a reliable alternative to a cablecard tuner |
| [21:31:24] | likwid--_: | word up. ill scrap it and look forward to prime |
| [21:31:47] | likwid--_: | right now im still configuring OTA to work right with guide data and such.. mythtvideo and things like that |
| [21:31:55] | likwid--_: | hell i dont even pay for cable tv yet |
| [21:32:02] | likwid--_: | but thats the next step once all this works right |
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| [22:14:03] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: re firewirewire: "up until earlier this year" ??? that mandate has ended? |
| [22:18:33] | J-e-f-f-A: | I wouldn't doubt it... I personally have never seen a TV with firewire input... |
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| [23:24:15] | wagnerrp: | skd5aner: yeah, early this year or late last year |
| [23:24:17] | wagnerrp: | something like that |
| [23:25:22] | wagnerrp: | although now that cablecard tuners are a reality, and offer at least everything that firewire capture did |
| [23:25:30] | wagnerrp: | how long should we continue to maintain firewire support |
| [23:26:57] | iamlindoro: | There will always be folks who would rather take their chances with the box they've "already got" than buy the right tool for the job-- and lots of Canadians who aren't guaranteed cablecards |
| [23:27:27] | wagnerrp: | i thought firewire was pretty much useless in canadia anyway |
| [23:27:44] | iamlindoro: | Grey Foxx was using it your years, and still was last I heard |
| [23:27:48] | iamlindoro: | er for years |
| [23:28:51] | sphery: | but even apple dropped firewire support... ;) |
| [23:29:02] | sphery: | when do we add Thunderbolt support? |
| [23:29:15] | wagnerrp: | as soon as cable boxes do |
| [23:29:35] | sphery: | and when we have 12–15GHz procs? |
| [23:30:00] | wagnerrp: | im somewhat reluctant to accept any feature from a website with the name 'brynosaurus' |
| [23:30:02] | iamlindoro: | Heh, anyway, I'm with the sentiment behind the firewire thign, but apparently you can do well on FIOS still with it, and pretty certainly we have way more firewire users than cablecard users... at least so far |
| [23:30:04] | kormoc: | sphery, a quad core 3 ghz is 12 ghz, no? :P |
| [23:30:21] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: so far... sure |
| [23:30:31] | wagnerrp: | but cablecard tuners pay for themselves in fairly short order |
| [23:30:35] | sphery: | heh, guess so--that's the new math, right? |
| [23:30:44] | iamlindoro: | Just think it's premature to deprecate a tuner type within two weeks of a better options coming out ;) |
| [23:30:46] | wagnerrp: | anyone in the US would be foolish to stick with cable boxes |
| [23:30:52] | wagnerrp: | oh certainly |
| [23:30:57] | wagnerrp: | im talking about 0.27 time frame |
| [23:31:02] | iamlindoro: | if that were the way we did things, framegrabber support would have been gone most of a decade ago |
| [23:31:06] | wagnerrp: | a year, year and a half out |
| [23:31:09] | sphery: | just like how I'm too cheap to buy SPF 50 sunblock, so I apply my SPF4 tanning oil 12 1/2 times |
| [23:32:12] | iamlindoro: | Anyway, I like the idea behind it-- and don't think Firewire gets a lot of use, so I'm down for doing it eventually |
| [23:32:21] | iamlindoro: | In a year or two, you won't be able to get a firewire cable box any more anyway |
| [23:32:38] | wagnerrp: | although i WOULD like to see some amount of it remain |
| [23:32:51] | wagnerrp: | like a 'firewire:device' keyword for external channel changers |
| [23:32:56] | sphery: | and here I'm actually considering the "start a new channel changers and firewire primers project and strongarm users into becoming maintainers for the scripts/programs they use" idea |
| [23:34:08] | wagnerrp: | or we could remove it entirely, and fork it into a separate project |
| [23:37:28] | sphery: | do refs, et al, not get scanned for commits to -fixes? |
| [23:38:03] | sphery: | just wondering since my 2 commits to -fixes for http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/8585 in the last 3 days didn't get put on trac |
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| [23:38:23] | sphery: | (there were also 2 commits to master, but I forgot the refs on the 2nd) |
| [23:38:27] | wagnerrp: | 'refs' should work |
| [23:38:39] | wagnerrp: | but sometimes trac never gets hooked in |
| [23:41:08] | sphery: | maybe it was just random github communication failures |
| [23:41:24] | sphery: | just saw the start of a pattern, so wondered if there was something going on |
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| [23:43:22] | wagnerrp: | what commits, specifically? |
| [23:43:29] | wagnerrp: | beirdo keeps a log of everything that comes in |
| [23:43:51] | sphery: | fixes ones ref'ed in: http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/8585#comment:16 |
| [23:44:04] | sphery: | (I manually added refs for my benefit for looking things up later) |
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| [23:49:24] | Guest25307: | jus gonna bring up that sometimes people are too poor, not too cheap |
| [23:49:35] | Guest25307 is now known as mycosys | |
| [23:49:46] | mycosys: | and that i am me lol |
| [23:49:55] | wagnerrp: | mycosys: all the more reason to buy a cablecard tuner |
| [23:50:04] | wagnerrp: | initial investment for a long term reduction in your cable bill |
| [23:50:05] | mycosys is now known as Guest65983 | |
| [23:50:33] | Guest65983: | a lot of people who watch a hell of a lot of TV are on pensions and the like, payments are easier than lump sums for them |
| [23:50:45] | wagnerrp: | thats just stupid and short sighted |
| [23:51:08] | Guest65983: | nah – is just only having just enough to make the payment and eat |
| [23:55:39] | kormoc: | Guest65983, so save up the payment amounts until you have the lump-sum |
| [23:55:49] | kormoc: | it's just smarter in the long run |
| [23:55:50] | Guest65983: | then you dont get to watch TV |
| [23:55:57] | wagnerrp: | or use a credit card and pay it off that way |
| [23:56:03] | Guest65983: | lol |
| [23:56:03] | kormoc: | it's a luxury, not a requirement |
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| [23:56:15] | Guest65983: | if ur stuck at home it is kinda necc |
| [23:56:19] | kormoc: | no, it's not |
| [23:56:26] | kormoc: | public libraries are free |
| [23:56:33] | kormoc: | and a lot of them rent videos |
| [23:56:36] | Guest65983: | they arent at home |
| [23:56:40] | kormoc: | netflix is a ton cheaper then cable |
| [23:56:56] | kormoc: | if you're disabled, most libraries have a way to deliver |
| [23:57:00] | Guest65983: | wouldnt know – dont have cable |
| [23:57:25] | kormoc: | $8 a month for netflix, cablee is typically $35+ for sd, $70+ for HD a month |
| [23:57:41] | Guest65983: | the argument is about buying new hardware over keeping what you have and paying $8 a month more |
| [23:57:44] | wagnerrp: | and firewire is only going to work if youre using HD |
| [23:57:48] | Beirdo: | I grew up with no TV in the house. I'm sure that most people on a pension can find something to do without one if it came to that. Most of them likely grew up reading books anyways |
| [23:57:55] | Beirdo: | that's a moot argument |
| [23:58:10] | Guest65983: | why is that bierdo? |
| [23:58:21] | Guest65983: | is about firewire support |
| [23:58:22] | Beirdo: | because TV is NOT a necessity |
| [23:58:41] | Guest65983: | reading a book hurts |
| [23:58:46] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: where are you logging the github commit logs? |
| [23:58:53] | kormoc: | this is a pointless argument |
| [23:59:08] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: /tmp/dump.json, I beleive |
| [23:59:32] | Guest65983: | seriously? understanding that there are other priorities is pointless? |
| [23:59:44] | Beirdo: | huh? |
| [23:59:56] | Beirdo: | who ever said MythTV was for pensioners? |
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