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Thursday, August 25th, 2011, 00:01 UTC

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k-man:

I just tried compiling mythtv on my 8 core server with 8 gig of ram – it took 5 minuets

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k-man:

minutes

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k-man:

I used -j 9

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wagnerrp:

sounds reasonable

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k-man:

a heck of a lot more reasonable than when I compile on my vm that I test on also

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wagnerrp:

youll continue to get improvements all the way up to ~12–16

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k-man:

I have 2 more 8 core servers – I breifly considered setting up dist-cc on them

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k-man:

just for fun

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wagnerrp:

ccache is much more sane

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k-man:

oh

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k-man:

does that distribute also?

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wagnerrp:

no, it just skips over stuff

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k-man:

yeah, I forgot to check if that was installed

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wagnerrp:

basically, the same thing that make does, where it only compiles stuff it thinks it needs to

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wagnerrp:

but a lot more in depth

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k-man:

yes, i've been using it on one of my machines, I forget which

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petethepirate:

I need some help getting my ir remote working. mode2 sees my remote, ire sees my remote, the buttons it is reporting indicates the configuration file for my tiro series 1 remote is right, I have mythtv looking at /dev/lirc0 but it won't see my ir remote. Any ideas?

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k-man:

petethepirate, what won't see it?

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petethepirate:

k-man: mythtv.

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wagnerrp:

mythtv is hitting the device directly? not lircd?

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petethepirate:

wagnerrp: I don't know? The only thing in the front end configuration I found was for my network remote, and the path to /dev/lirc0. It was /dev/lircd but I changed it to lirc0.

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petethepirate:

lira daemon socket is what I pointed to /dev/lirc0.

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Seeker`:

hmm, I wonder if my duplicate recordings were due to the EPG data being rubbish

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wagnerrp:

Seeker`: entirely possible, EPG from where?

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Seeker`:

I mean the OTA EPG

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Seeker`:

freeview

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Seeker`:

turned it off, just relying on RT UK data now. Its rerecording episodes I've seen before, but it isn't recording them on the +1 channels an hour later as well now

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wagnerrp:

you would likely do a lot better with radiotimes

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wagnerrp:

and if you were using both radiotimes and EIT data on the same channels

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wagnerrp:

then recording would absolutely be broken

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Seeker`:

I imagine the rerecording is just becuase of the change in data between the old recordings tagged with EIT stuff and the new ones tagged with RT stuff

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wagnerrp:

correct

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k-man:

wagnerrp, ah – ccache was installed, and git pull;make -j9 took ~30s

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: you likely want to take the jamu link off the 'featured articles' section of the wiki

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petethepirate:

In my mythfrontend log it says it can't read the config file. I can read it, permissions are rw-r-r. Any suggestions?

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wagnerrp:

what config file?

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wagnerrp:

~/.mythtv/lircrc?

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petethepirate:

/home/mythusername/.mythtv/lircrc

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iamlindoro:

petethepirate: even if you fix that, you've broken it by pointing myth at the lirc socket rather than the daemon

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iamlindoro:

/dev/lircd is the daemon, /dev/lirc# is the device

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petethepirate:

iamlindoro: I've already changed that to /var/run/lirc/lircd is this correct?

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iamlindoro:

completely dependent upon how your distro sets up lirc

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iamlindoro:

but given the filename is lircd, that's probably correct

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petethepirate:

I've checked, and i have a file there permissions srw-rw-rw

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k-man:

and you are running mythtv using the mythtv user?

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petethepirate:

k-man: backend is mythtv fronted is a username.

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petethepirate:

k-man: why did you ask that question?

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k-man:

frontend is running as which user?

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wagnerrp:

because mythfrontend will access lircrc from the home directory of whatever user is running it

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wagnerrp:

not /home/mythtv/.mythtv/lircrc

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k-man:

yeah, it looks for it in ~/.mythtv/lircrc

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petethepirate:

wagnerrp: that is the file I am working with. I've even cut and pasted to make sure I didn't have a typo. I'm not working with /home/mythtv… I'm working with /home/theusersname...

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k-man:

petethepirate, paste the output from mythfrontend somewhere

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cesman:

somewhere as in pastebin ;)

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petethepirate:

http://pastebin.com/0qN9LhMh

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k-man:

petethepirate, ls -l /home/qwerty/.mythtv/lircrc

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petethepirate:

-rw-r--r-- 1 qwerty qwerty 2271 2011-08–24 19:54 /home/qwerty/.mythtv/lircrc

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k-man:

pastebin /home/qwerty/.mythtv/lircrc

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wagnerrp:

that log says youre running mythbuntu

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wagnerrp:

which may be redirecting you to /etc/mythtv/.mythtv/lircrc

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wagnerrp:

actually, nevermind

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k-man:

wagnerrp, how can you tell that from the log?

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wagnerrp:

'mythfrontend.real'

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k-man:

wagnerrp, nice detective work :)

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petethepirate:

http://pastebin.com/rxmuDtR1

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wagnerrp:

means mythfrontend is a wrapper script doing strange things

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k-man:

how annoying

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wagnerrp:

but i guess changing $HOME is not one of them

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k-man:

I think there should be a mythbuntu channel

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k-man:

maybe there is

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wagnerrp:

petethepirate: paste your lircrc

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petethepirate:

wagnerrp: isn't that my last paste bin?

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wagnerrp:

no, thats your lircd.conf

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k-man:

wagnerrp, is it worth him trying to run mythfrontend sans wrapper?

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wagnerrp:

probably not

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wagnerrp:

im guessing the lircrc is goobered, and mythtv is failing to parse it

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petethepirate:

wagnerrp: I think we might be making progress. That is my lircrc.

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k-man:

wagnerrp, yeah, that was my guess too

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petethepirate:

…and my lircd.conf.

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wagnerrp:

petethepirate: no, that is your lircd.conf

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wagnerrp:

lircd.conf maps IR codes to commands

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petethepirate:

wagnerrp: it's the same file.

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wagnerrp:

lircrc maps commands to actions in the application

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k-man:

petethepirate, thats your problem then

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wagnerrp:

well it shouldnt be

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wagnerrp:

theres your problem

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petethepirate:

And urls that show how to make a lircrc?

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k-man:

btw, there is a mythbuntu channel in case anyone is wondering

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k-man:

petethepirate, google is your friend

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wagnerrp:

heres what an lircrc looks like... http://mythtv.org/wiki/Lircrc_-_mceusb

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k-man:

so is wagnerrp apparantly :)

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petethepirate:

FRIEND!!!

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wagnerrp:

basically, its a file mapping those commands from your lircd.conf into key presses

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petethepirate:

Ok thanks, now that I know what I'm doing wrong I know where to go.

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wagnerrp:

technically, mythtv could use any 'config' string it wanted

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tgm4883:

whats the issue?

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wagnerrp:

but for now, its just using whatever key press you have defined for that action in the keybindings

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wagnerrp:

tgm4883: nothing specifically mythbuntu related

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tgm4883:

ah ok

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k-man:

I found irw quite helpful in working out which key on the remote actually maps to what key press – sometimes I found it not obvious

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petethepirate:

I appreciate everyones help.

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petethepirate:

Got it working, thanks again y'all! :)

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k-man:

petethepirate, great

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petethepirate:

The config file I have is missing the select button, anyone know what it's called?

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petethepirate:

Hmm, it's the thumbs down. I have a little work to do on it.

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k-man:

petethepirate, I think that's when irw comes in handy

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k-man:

it will tell you what key is pressed iirc

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mkrufky:

steve jobs quit as apple ceo?!?

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_abbenormal:

he stepped down for medical reasons mkrufky

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wagnerrp:

my radar detector isnt working

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wagnerrp:

acting strange like its not getting enough power

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wagnerrp:

so i figure, maybe its something easy like a blown cap

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wagnerrp:

so i open it up, no such luck

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wagnerrp:

but theres a sticker on the horn antenna, with like 75 patents listed on it

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k-man:

hehe

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k-man:

microwave pcb's are weird

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k-man:

"components" can simply be tracks of certain width or running close to each other to make inductors or capacitors

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k-man:

paypal is painful

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k-man:

on ebay, there is a screenshot promoting some new options – the menus in the screenshot are in german. I have to wonder if someone did something like "if country=au, screenshot=image_german.jpg"

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Baylink:

wagnerrp: I'll look into pulse, thanks. That probably came in in the 11.3 to 11.4 upgrade; I generally don't run it.

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wagnerrp:

most distros use it by default these days

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wagnerrp:

mythbuntu specifically forces it out of the standard ubuntu install

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Baylink:

Got it.

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Baylink:

Shame we can't make Myth a JACK client; that'd fix it.

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** Baylink grins, ducks and runs, very very fast. **

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wagnerrp:

isnt it?

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Baylink:

Is it??

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wagnerrp:

--disable-audio-jack disable JACK audio support

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Baylink:

Given what I know about JACK, color me shocked.

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Baylink:

JACK wants you to subordinate everything you do to meeting it's timing cycle calls, no?

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wagnerrp:

i dont know to be honest

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wagnerrp:

but, at least it maintains good latency

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wagnerrp:

works well for a/v sync

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rseward_:

What Infrared receiving devices do people in this chat use to receive remote signals?

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rseward_:

Is there anybody out there?

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wagnerrp:

just nod if you can hear me

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iamlindoro:

Why don't you answer me? I've been nodding at your for minutes

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iamlindoro:

s/your/you/

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wagnerrp:

come on now, i hear youre feeling down

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wagnerrp:

i can ease your pain, get you on your feet again

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rseward_:

Ha! Someone is listening. What Infrared receiving devices do people in this chat use to receive remote signals?

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wagnerrp:

you are only coming through in waves

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wagnerrp:

your lips move, but i cant hear what you say

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iamlindoro:

rseward_: Just because people are here doesn't mean they have interest in the topic/have an answer/etc. IRC isn't customer service chat, you often have to wait minutes to hours for a response-- patience is key

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iamlindoro:

So just hang in there, I'm sure people will chime in given a little time

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rseward_:

<+iamlindoro>: Yeah. Yeah. Understood.

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wagnerrp:

or, theyll start listening to pink floyd instead...

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wagnerrp:

:)

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wagnerrp:

most people go for one of the MCEUSB variants

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k-man:

I use the homemade serial receiver with lirc

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k-man:

works well for me as my pc has a serial port – no doubt when I upgrade oneday, I'll have to find a non serial port solution

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k-man:

i've been meaning to look into an mcd usb remote

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k-man:

i'd like a remote with more buttons

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rseward_:

I had iguanaIR usb device working my TIVO remotes. It was sweet but it only lasted for 24 hours.

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rseward_:

Now, I think I will shop for another solution.

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k-man:

rseward_, what happened to it?

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rseward_:

The USB device stopped responding to the igdaemon (software provided by the manufacturer).

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rseward_:

I have tried it in two computers and thing is dead after 30 hours or something of use.

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k-man:

did you contact the manufacturer? maybe there is something wrong with it?

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rseward_:

wagnerrp: This what you are talking about? http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/Searc . . . p;CatId=1430

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wagnerrp:

thats one version

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Gibby:

which table/tables does the IP of the backend get putinto?

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wagnerrp:

the same one as nearly every other option

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wagnerrp:

Gibby: what is the actual problem youre having?

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Gibby:

the FE when initially starts.. .it connects to the backend... then it tries to connect to nothing and says it can't connect to the backend

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wagnerrp:

can i see logs?

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Gibby:

http://pastebin.com/iMqXS0ne

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rseward_:

k-man: Yes. I have a trouble ticket open with the manufacturer. I am just a little impatient with it not working.

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wagnerrp:

Gibby: i would run mythtv-setup on your master backend and fix the issue directly

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rseward_:

k-man: I think iguana will replace it. But I don't like the device in that I need to run their special daemon and I need to install a version of lirc that supports talking to their drive.

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wagnerrp:

assuming the problem isnt that your frontend is trying to connect to the wrong database

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k-man:

rseward_, is there no lirc driver for it?

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rseward_:

s/drive/driver

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Gibby:

already did.. 3 times and a reboot.. also queried the DB and it looks like 2 records and they are both correct

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rseward_:

k-man: mythbuntu doesn't compile the driver support in for the device by default.

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wagnerrp:

there should only be one record for the master backend, not two

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rseward_:

k-man: I need to re-compile lirc to work with the device.

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k-man:

rseward_, have you seen this? http://dangerousprototypes.com/docs/USB_Infrared_Toy

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Gibby:

it asks for 2 in mythtv-setup

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k-man:

rseward_, is it bad that you have to recompile lirc?

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wagnerrp:

one master, and then multiple local

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Gibby:

correct

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rseward_:

k-man: re-compiling lirc is a pain in the neck to me.

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rseward_:

k-man: Do you have one of these "USB Infrared Toy" ? If so does it work out of the box without compiling lirc?

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k-man:

rseward_, which distro do you use?

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k-man:

rseward_, no I don't have one of those

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rseward_:

k-man: Currently I use mythbuntu 10.10.

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wagnerrp:

rseward_: lirc doesnt support hardware directly any longer

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wagnerrp:

lirc is just the userland daemon and applications

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wagnerrp:

hardware drivers are in the kernel

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rseward_:

wagnerrp: There are a number of drivers built with the default mythbuntu lirc daemon.

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k-man:

wagnerrp, really? does that mean the drivers come with the kernel also?

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wagnerrp:

since 0.9.0 and kernel 2.6.37, or mayber 38

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k-man:

wagnerrp, wow, I had no idea, thanks for the info

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Gibby:

i will figure it out tomorrow

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k-man:

rseward_, also consider this version: http://dangerousprototypes.com/docs/USB_IR_Toy_v2

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rseward_:

k-man: Unfortunately, the product is out of stock. :-(

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k-man:

rseward_, oh bummer

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k-man:

rseward_, I think most people use the mce remotes, why not give one of those a go?

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rseward_:

k-man: I am trying this to see if it will work. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001M56DI0/ref=ox_ya_os_product

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rseward_:

k-man: It is ridiculously cheap. I considered the commandir but it was going to set me back $100 or so.

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k-man:

rseward_, http://www.remotecentral.com/

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k-man:

they review lots of remotes there

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rseward_:

k-man: This review of the remote I just bought looks promising.

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rseward_:

k-man: http://www.amazon.com/review/RYJY7ATNHMF7N/re . . . mp;linkCode=

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rseward_:

k-man: If I can get the USB receiver part of it to work. I will use my TIVO remotes with mythtv. I can throw the remote itself away. ;-)

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k-man:

I have yet to find a remote with enough buttons for mythtv

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k-man:

well – most remotes are fine

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k-man:

but I want more buttons

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mycosys:

full HID keyboard

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mycosys:

you can get PS3 type remotes with a slide out KB under

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k-man:

mycosys, oh, thats not a bad idea

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k-man:

actually, I seem to recall looking at ps3 remotes before

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k-man:

mycosys, like this sort of thing? http://www.psonline.cl/#productos/producto.ph . . . rollerRemote

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mycosys:

yeah k-man, never checked how they go with myth but they are what came immideately to mind

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mycosys:

a true sony blutotth one should work i would think

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mycosys:

or any blutooth one prolly

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k-man:

this remote looks nice: http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI . . . t_3004wt_906

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k-man:

I already have an older sony universal remote and its very nice – there are only 2 minor problems with the one I have – not enough buttons. I'd like a button for increasing and reducing time stretch

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k-man:

and I can't make the tv AV button punch through

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k-man:

how do you get to the schedule filter editor window?

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k-man:

oh, you have to have a new button in the scheduleeditor

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justinh:

arghh. this place annoys the P*** out of me. am I available to go to sweden next week & oversee the software upgrade of 1500 units.. on night shift? PFFT

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justinh:

tuesday til friday.. 1500 units.. jesus

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lapion:

how do I select which pulse deivce to use for what tv-card..

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justinh:

easy. don't use framegrabbers :-)

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k-man:

justinh, that sounds like a fun trip to sweden

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NickHu:

Hey guys, if I'm recording I can't watch a seperate channel unless it's on the same multiplex right?

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seeker:

NickHu: If you only have 1 tuner, correct

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seeker:

And you can only do that if it is digital

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NickHu:

I assume 1 tuner means one LNB right?

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seeker:

Don't know about satellite stuff

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NickHu:

It seems no one uses satellite xD

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seeker:

Hmm, any ideas why my screensaver starts to kick in, then goes away

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seeker:

Kind of important to have screen blanking working as I use a plasma TV

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seeker:

Already starting to get burn in

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NickHu:

seeker: Something is waking it up?

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seeker:

Yes, pretty much. The question is, what?

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NickHu:

Wow, time-stretch sounds like it's for really lazy people

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NickHu:

Watch an hour show in 40 minutes...

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NickHu:

seeker: What distro are you using?

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NickHu:

OH MY GOD

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NickHu:

After tomorrow they aren't gonna show Friends on Channel 4 and E4 anymore :(

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seeker:

\o/

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seeker:

NickHu: Mythbuntu

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seeker:

It worked until I upgraded to 0.25

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NickHu:

No idea

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justinh:

k-man: I fly to my holiday the day after

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justinh:

talked it over with the ****head bloke... said I can do it if I go on Monday & come back thursday maybe

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justinh:

NickHu: nah timestretch is WONDERFUL

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justinh:

means you can watch a Brian Cox TV show in a time which doesn't feel like an eternity

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justinh:

and your wife's crappy soaps are over much faster :D

[10:01:03]

NickHu:

justinh: Or you could just not watch them :P

[10:01:12]

justinh:

I don't watch my wife's soaps

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NickHu:

Haha, do you discreetly put it on for her? ;)

[10:01:31]

justinh:

but some shows cover interesting subjects but the pace is way too slow

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justinh:

NickHu: yeah automagically via playback groups :P

[10:02:03]

NickHu:

And she doesn't notice? :P

[10:02:05]

justinh:

some editions of Horizon.. yeesh! They need 1.5x

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justinh:

NickHu: oh she knows.. she turned it off for a while but asked me to re-enable it

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justinh:

1.5x for Emmerdale, Eastenders & Coronation St

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NickHu:

Hmm, so soaps are boring for everyone then..

[10:02:59]

justinh:

thankfully we don't do Hollyoaks or Holby City

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justinh:

by 'do' I mean record or watch

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justinh:

I think I must watch about an hour a week. If that

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justinh:

depends on whether BBC News bumps 'Click' or not :)

[10:04:30]

NickHu:

Meh, at least Hollyoaks has lots of women in provocative clothing

[10:04:44]

NickHu:

Corrie's full of old people

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justinh:

NickHu: look beyond that. They're miserable & always in some kind of trouble

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NickHu:

And eastenders.. Well, it's London

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justinh:

they may be nearly naked sometimes but they're unhappy

[10:05:16]

NickHu:

justinh: But Skins was great! And they were miserable most of the time

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justinh:

no, they had fun

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NickHu:

But dramas aren't soaps

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NickHu:

inb4 Effy

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justinh:

hollyoaks is a soap

[10:05:43]

justinh:

skins was a drama

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NickHu:

Yeah

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NickHu:

I know

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justinh:

skins made me want to be a teenager again

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NickHu:

Season 5 was shite though

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justinh:

I think we stopped watching after the 4th

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justinh:

maybe it was the 3rd.

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NickHu:

Good, the 3rd generation are faggots

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NickHu:

Season 4 is worth watching though

[10:07:39]

NickHu:

I was genuinely shocked in the penultimate episode of Season 4

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seeker:

The basement scene?

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NickHu:

It wasn't so much a basement was it..?

[10:08:35]

NickHu:

But yeah

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NickHu:

I was left awestruck

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justinh:

I dunno which was which.. or if I've even seen the end

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justinh:

I just kinda dipped in & out of it, being appalled & jealous at the same time :P

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NickHu:

seeker knows what I'm on about, pretty disappointed about the last episode though

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NickHu:

Have you seen the inbetweeners film yet?

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justinh:

no. don't plan to til I've watched any of the series

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seeker:

justinh: Any idea what might be causing mythfrontend to kill the screensaver just as it kicks in

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justinh:

I get the impression I might not like it much.. too close to home

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seeker:

While at a menu

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justinh:

seeker: no idea. it's supposed to disable a screensaver during playback stuff AFAIK. I don't use screensavers

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NickHu:

justinh: It is the most hilarious thing on TV for a long time

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justinh:

NickHu: says you :-)

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NickHu:

It's basically up-beat skins that's much much much much more funny, and no drama

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justinh:

so was Shameless, til it turned to crap

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NickHu:

Watch the first two episodes if you don't believe me ;)

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seeker:

justinh: Yeah, it disables ok during playback. While at a menu it starts to fade. Then comes back to life.

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NickHu:

LCDs don't burn in do they?

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justinh:

NickHu: that's what I used to think. Til the one in the local shop near work started showing effects

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seeker:

Nowhere near as easily as plasmas

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seeker:

Got patterns on my monitor already from last night

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justinh:

the staff have a 32" freeview TV above the tills... usually on some crap music station or other... now it's got the remnants of a 'Heat Radio' MHEG screen left on it

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NickHu:

What about those fancy LED backlit ones?

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justinh:

bet they burn in too

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justinh:

my OLED phone screen is showing burnt-in areas

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justinh:

the parts which are never lit up – i.e. the battery logo, signal status etc... go on any screen where they're not present, fill the screen with white & you can see where the notification icons are

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NickHu:

What phone do you have?

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seeker:

I've got a nice hatched pattern on my TV

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NickHu:

My LCD monitor has no burn in at all, and I've had it 5 years..

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justinh:

NickHu: orange SF

[10:18:33]

NickHu:

ZTE Blade, android right?

[10:18:54]

justinh:

yup. bag-o-rubbish

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NickHu:

Hehe, how's the lack of flash for you? :P

[10:19:36]

justinh:

I still want an iPhone but a) hate iTunes b) see £500 as kind of expensive for any phone

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NickHu:

I've got an LG Optimus 2x, dual core tegra awesomeness :D

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justinh:

meh

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justinh:

lack of flash.. don't care

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NickHu:

iPhone?! Yuck

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NickHu:

Just get a better android phone ;)

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justinh:

no

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justinh:

£100 is my limit for buying one. no contract, PAYG & can never remember the last time I topped up :D

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NickHu:

Haha, then you'll never have a decent phone :P

[10:20:57]

justinh:

oh shut up

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NickHu:

;D

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justinh:

it suits me

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seeker:

Tegra isn't awesome

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justinh:

does what I need it to do, and for the money isn't bad at all

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seeker:

Nvidia just have a "good" marketing department

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justinh:

I mean it beats the hell out of some of the £300 phones I've seen

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NickHu:

Tegra is pretty awesome

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NickHu:

Not as awesome as they make out

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NickHu:

But still pretty awesome

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seeker:

There are better alternatives

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justinh:

awesome is probably still the most overused word these days

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NickHu:

seeker: And also they are about 2x more expensive

[10:22:39]

seeker:

NickHu: Nope

[10:22:39]

NickHu:

I got my phone for £260, which is a friggin' steal

[10:23:01]

justinh:

anyway whatever smartphone you get, at best you're gonna be charging it every other night

[10:23:17]

NickHu:

Still waiting for someone to port mythfrontend to android :P

[10:23:37]

justinh:

look ma! I can watch teevees on this tidgy little screen!

[10:23:38]

seeker:

NickHu: Tegra is a tiny part of the Market.

[10:23:52]

justinh:

"why would you ever want to do that, dear?"

[10:25:30]

NickHu:

To watch TV on the toilet of course ;)

[10:25:42]

justinh:

quite apt I suppose

[10:25:49]

seeker:

NickHu: Which phone do you have?

[10:25:56]

NickHu:

Optimus 2x

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NickHu:

Got it a few months ago

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justinh:

my sister just got some dual core android phone. it sucked

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justinh:

she was showing me how laggy the dialler was

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NickHu:

It's because she's a) using a stock rom, probably a shitty HTC one and b) ICS isn't out yet so the framework can't utilise 2 cores yet

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justinh:

NickHu: that is not the point

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justinh:

point is, even a single core phone shouldn't be so unresponsive

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justinh:

out of the box

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NickHu:

See point a)

[10:29:09]

NickHu:

Was it by any chance a HTC phone?

[10:29:16]

NickHu:

Or motorola?

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justinh:

oh – so she had to unlock the phone, root it & put a different rom on it?

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justinh:

HTC

[10:29:29]

justinh:

you miss the point completely

[10:29:35]

justinh:

it shouldn't suck so bad out of the box

[10:29:37]

NickHu:

HTC sense is notorious for being the pretty, but laggy piece o crap

[10:30:05]

NickHu:

justinh: It's no android, nor the hardware's fault, it's because of HTC's "ingenius" software dev team

[10:30:12]

justinh:

NickHu: still not the point

[10:30:19]

justinh:

I told her to take it back

[10:30:58]

justinh:

htc sensation is the one I think

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NickHu:

Tell her to avoid HTC

[10:31:13]

justinh:

before I got the piece of crap I use I looked at a load of different ones

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k-man:

does mythtv depend on any particular version of qt?

[10:31:16]

NickHu:

And motorola

[10:31:31]

justinh:

of all the sub £300 ones I saw this one had the least laggy interface LOL

[10:31:40]

justinh:

k-man: >4.0

[10:31:45]

NickHu:

justinh: HTC just dress up their phones pretty

[10:31:48]

justinh:

or >4.5 last time I looked

[10:31:52]

NickHu:

But the stock roms are goddamnaweful

[10:32:16]

justinh:

NickHu: yeah but who, as a general noob consumer would even know how to go about changing the rom?

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justinh:

I consider myself a heck of a capable geek & I GIVE UP looking at ROMs

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k-man:

justinh, cos I am having problems building on osx lion – the script downloads 4.6.3 but I think for lion you need 4.8

[10:32:48]

NickHu:

Just go with cyanogenmod and never look back

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justinh:

NickHu: problem is, WHICH ONE? there are too many & the threads discussing each ROM release run into hundreds of pages

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NickHu:

justinh: Cyanogenmod

[10:33:30]

NickHu:

ALways

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justinh:

no, but which one?

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NickHu:

It's the umbrella opensource project for android

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NickHu:

Right, I'mma convince you. I'll pick out a rom and/or kernel for you, and you can see for yourself how much quicker your phone is afterward

[10:34:53]

justinh:

ahh I think the last time I looked at this they didn't have a build option for my phonew

[10:35:14]

justinh:

all I've relied on so far are the stupid modaco forums.. and they make stuff a PAIN to find

[10:35:14]

NickHu:

You mean it's gen2?

[10:35:22]

justinh:

I don't know

[10:35:30]

NickHu:

All the android-info boards are crap

[10:35:52]

NickHu:

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1172838 ;— Basic info thread

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justinh:

St3v3sCu5t0m-ROM.zip – get it NOW from somedodgyfilesharingsite.com

[10:37:03]

NickHu:

Erm, wut?

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justinh:

that's the kind of stuff they do when people 'publish' a new ROM

[10:37:35]

justinh:

they're always on some lame sharing site

[10:37:48]

justinh:

& they've always got some stupid name, mad customisations etc

[10:38:02]

justinh:

last ROM I tried was awesome.. everything worked apart from the PHONE bit

[10:39:17]

justinh:

heh my phone is gen1

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NickHu:

Cyanogen rom releases are usually update-cyanogenmod-phonemodel-version.zip

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justinh:

the modaco ones are – for some reason – what I took to be popular & most working-ish

[10:40:17]

justinh:

except the ones that say they're not...

[10:40:18]

NickHu:

All this TPT stuff is a little confusing to me, seeing as it's unique to your phone

[10:40:23]

NickHu:

But I understand the general concept

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justinh:

I really need 2.2 anyway.. almost out of space for apps

[10:41:55]

justinh:

but I really kinda need to be able to use the phone as a phone sometimes too :)

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justinh:

hopefully now the proper rom release folks are doing it... we don't have to rely on DodgyDave & his files hosted on dodgyfilesharing.com & discussed to death in 200 threads on a forum

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NickHu:

Cyanogenmod is great, seriously

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justinh:

so I keep hearing

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NickHu:

I don't know about this gen crap, but the general procedure is install clockwork mod recovery and flash cyanogenmod

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justinh:

yeah I know that

[10:44:05]

justinh:

I *have* played with roms a bit :)

[10:44:29]

justinh:

it's still way over the heads of the likes of my sister though

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NickHu:

http://wiki.cyanogenmod.com/index.php?title=Z . . . Update_Guide – One stop guide

[10:45:24]

NickHu:

The cm wiki is generally very good for information, but doesn't cover a lot of topics

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justinh:

so if CM7 was the 1st to support my phone, wonder when that came out

[10:46:44]

NickHu:

Huh, apparently the TPT cuts out the whole rooting part and throws you straight into clockwork

[10:47:00]

NickHu:

justinh: It's regularly updated via a whole series of repos and githubs

[10:47:18]

NickHu:

Hell, there are even nightly builds if you care that much

[10:47:27]

justinh:

I don't :P

[10:47:29]

NickHu:

http://cm-nightlies.appspot.com/?device=blade Changelog there

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justinh:

no I was just wondering how long they had support for this phone.. turns out not very long..

[10:48:09]

justinh:

and I gave up looking a while ago

[10:48:26]

justinh:

it generally works ok & stuff so I've not been overly bothered

[10:48:37]

NickHu:

They've had support for.. lemme think.. Since about April?

[10:48:43]

justinh:

I mean – if it didn't I'd already have taken it back

[10:48:59]

justinh:

NickHu: yeah so? I got really sick of looking, sidetracked etc

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NickHu:

I remember talking to HCDRJacob about it (He's maintainer)

[10:49:22]

NickHu:

justinh: I was just wondering how long " a while ago " meant

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justinh:

like at one point I was trying to remember to keep an eye on orange's site to see if there was gonna be an official 2.2 release I could de-orangeinate

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NickHu:

Official releases always seem to suck

[10:50:10]

NickHu:

Always got branding and crap

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justinh:

meh.. this wasn't too bad

[10:50:32]

justinh:

the games & stuff were useless.. the stock browser is ok

[10:50:52]

NickHu:

You gonna bother with switching to cm then? :P

[10:50:57]

justinh:

maybe

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justinh:

I'll take it for a testdrive soonish

[10:51:15]

NickHu:

Well that wiki is the way to go :)

[10:51:27]

NickHu:

I honestly never looked back :P

[10:51:47]

NickHu:

Plus you get android 2.3.5

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justinh:

bit I'd be nervous about is flashing the bootloader.. going from G1 to G2

[10:52:13]

justinh:

I'm really not bothered so long as it doesn't suck

[10:52:29]

justinh:

once you get to my age you only care about stuff working if you know what's best

[10:52:59]

NickHu:

In android you can't really break the bootloader unless you're a total mong who likes pulling batteries in the minute it takes to flash it

[10:53:09]

NickHu:

How old are you?

[10:53:18]

NickHu:

I have endless hours of spare time

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justinh:

be nice to get away from the stupid bootup animation though. god I HATE that

[10:53:23]

justinh:

39

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NickHu:

And I spend my summer holidays on irc -.-

[10:53:44]

justinh:

I dunno if I'll even take my phone on holiday with me :)

[10:53:52]

NickHu:

I have this obsessive need for everything to be up to date and optimal

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justinh:

heh

[10:54:05]

NickHu:

Which I guess is why I care so much :P

[10:54:09]

justinh:

bet that keeps you busy

[10:54:17]

justinh:

me – I'm like – it works, leave it the hell alone

[10:54:19]

NickHu:

Surprisingly not busy enough...

[10:54:48]

NickHu:

Friends are all on holiday/busy, girls are bitches, fuck it, stay inside :D

[10:56:49]

NickHu:

Well I'll be damned... devinheit managed to fix my DVB-S set up :D

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NickHu:

*sigh* I guess XMLTV is the only real alternative to EIT?

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seeker:

What is wrong with XmLTV

[10:58:32]

NickHu:

justinh: What flavour of linux are you running by the way?

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NickHu:

seeker: It takes craplong time to update

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seeker:

NickHu: Cronjob, 3am

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NickHu:

seeker: Unlike you I can't afford to leave the computer on all the time ;)

[10:59:25]

NickHu:

Just more or less all of the day

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seeker:

Cronjob some other time then

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NickHu:

Pfft

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seeker:

You only need to run it once every 2 weeks or so

[11:00:15]

NickHu:

Hmm

[11:00:48]

NickHu:

If I run it today, say, it takes 2 hours, and then run it tomorrow, will it just only get new information? and take, like, 10 minutes?

[11:01:20]

seeker:

It takes 2 hours to run?!

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NickHu:

Hypothetically

[11:01:41]

NickHu:

I've never used it properly

[11:01:43]

NickHu:

Only dabbled

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seeker:

Not sure. I don't know which part takes the time, getting the data or processing it

[11:02:11]

seeker:

Like I said, Cronjob.

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seeker:

justinh: Can't remember if I told you, time search only takes 15 seconds or so for me

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k-man:

who works on osx builds?

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justinh:

seeker: no you didn't say AFAIK

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justinh:

NickHu: ubuntu. grudgingly

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seeker:

justinh: Ah, ok. Time search only takes 15 seconds or so for me.

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justinh:

currently running mythbuntu packages but maybe not for much longer

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justinh:

last time I looked tv_grab_uk_rt only takes about 10 mins

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NickHu:

Why are you using ubuntu? Although admittedly not the worst distro, it is the most boring

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justinh:

so anyway I don't get it... it's said that android isn't quite open source.. and yet there's the cyanogenmod stuff to compile it

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justinh:

boring can be good

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justinh:

besides, I don't see the desktop

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NickHu:

When they say not quite open source they mean some of the apps arent

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NickHu:

(Google apps – Market, google maps, etc)

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justinh:

it doesn't really *matter* to me what distro I use

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justinh:

ah

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NickHu:

Oh, and also the whole honeycomb fiasco

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NickHu:

Honecomb, android 3.0, was basically google's quick hackjob at making android a tablet thing

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NickHu:

They aren't and will never release the source for it, because it's horribly horribly broken for phones and they don't want idiots trying to port it

[11:25:48]

NickHu:

Android 3.1 Ice Cream Sandwich is google's real next level which is basically a better honeycomb that bridges the tablet and phone gap

[11:25:51]

NickHu:

So set up xmltv from mythtv-setup?

[11:26:21]

NickHu:

The radio times one is the one I want right?

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justinh:

aye

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seeker:

If you are in the UK, yes

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NickHu:

Title processing, y/n?

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justinh:

that's a new one. probably Y

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seeker:

Stick to the defaults

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NickHu:

TV platform = 0 if I've already got my channels set up?

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NickHu:

seeker: Sticking to the defaults is boring

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justinh:

sticking to the defaults may get you running quicker

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justinh:

but it won't get every channel's xmltvid into the channel table :-P

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NickHu:

Oh crap I have to re-add channels again?

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justinh:

no

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justinh:

just blunder through it like you were going to. You'll see :D

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NickHu:

Switched Video source to XMLTV and starting channel says "Please add channels to this source"

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EvilGuru:

mythtv has kind of naff support for configuring XMLTV

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EvilGuru:

you're best off editing the config file manually

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EvilGuru:

and then editing the database to set the XMLTV ids

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NickHu:

Damn

[11:36:37]

NickHu:

Disabling Active EIT scan in settings completely disables EIT right?

[11:36:46]

NickHu:

Or is there a passive scan or what?

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EvilGuru:

If XMLTV is working the EIT stuff will never bother you

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justinh:

EvilGuru: no, don't condone users futz with their own DB

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justinh:

ok then.. if you want to help fix it when he breaks stuff :D

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EvilGuru:

editing the XMLTV ids in phpmyadmin or whatever isn't too bad

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justinh:

I do it in mythweb

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EvilGuru:

that works, also

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EvilGuru:

as doing it in the setup program is not nice

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justinh:

definitely

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EvilGuru:

myth really does need better support for windowed mode

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justinh:

and it also can lead to having 2 sets of channels – one with EPG data & untunable... and one with no EPG data & working

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EvilGuru:

also, how does myth know if a channel is HD or not?

[11:43:14]

EvilGuru:

as when I've had HD with freesat it has always used the EIT, but if I used RT how does it know?

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justinh:

there's a 'HD' column IIRC

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justinh:

generally the channels are HD or HD or HD anyway

[11:50:34]

justinh:

like they have HD in the name & that's how you can tell :D

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EvilGuru:

there is that

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justinh:

but I think there is a DB field that denotes 'HD'

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justinh:

heh no .. so there must only be a program table field then

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justinh:

so I'd guess uk_rt fills that in regardless because it's 'ITV1HD'

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justinh:

unless radiotimes have an actual field for it..

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justinh:

but then what do *they* call HD? upscaled SD? :-O

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EvilGuru:

it is the ITV way

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Seeker`:

eugh, my table cache hit is still 1%

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Seeker`:

EvilGuru: what distro do you use?

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EvilGuru:

mythbuntu

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EvilGuru:

Seeker`: the mysql cache is certifiably useless

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EvilGuru:

Well, actually, I kind of use mythbunutu. I take a plain ubuntu install (no X) and turn it into mythbuntu as the developers do not provide alternate install cd's

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Seeker`:

fair enough

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EvilGuru:

anyone not using LVM, with the exception of those on btrfs, should be shot

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Seeker`:

EvilGuru: why do you say that?

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EvilGuru:

as if you can not expand a file system across multiple volumes — added at a later date — then something is wrong with your set up

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justinh:

who needs LVM anyway?

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justinh:

who needs to expand a file system when we have SGs?

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Seeker`:

EvilGuru: don't storage groups kinda solve that problem (from a mythtv perspective anyway)

[12:03:55]

EvilGuru:

They're a hack

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justinh:

no they're not a hack

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justinh:

they're a solution to exporting fs over the network & mounting them to the same place on everything

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justinh:

which as I recall was a massive pain in the arse

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EvilGuru:

justinh: sure, but when used over multiple local volumes...

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justinh:

LVM offers me no advantages

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EvilGuru:

if you don't back up and never plan to add a hard disk, then sure

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justinh:

nope

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Seeker`:

I have 4 disks with the same directory structure

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justinh:

1. I don't back up my TV recordings

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justinh:

2. whenever I add a disk it's generally to replace a working one with a bigger size

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Seeker`:

If i add a 5th disk, I'll create the same directory structure, then add the appropriate directories to the storage groups

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justinh:

LVM has NOTHING to offer me

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EvilGuru:

Seeker`: Right, but that is a pain and does not work as the FS level

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EvilGuru:

I use the same FS for storing my music and other media

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Seeker`:

EvilGuru: why do I need it to work at the FS level?

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EvilGuru:

so having it all work at the mythtv level is no help there

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justinh:

I generally let HDDs get 3 or 4 years old after running 24/7/365 & replace em

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NickHu:

Guys, quit squabbling and buy me a second hard drive so I can join in :P

[12:07:39]

Seeker`:

something like music or photos can sit on one drive

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EvilGuru:

justinh: On the converse: there is almost no disadvantage to having LVM

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EvilGuru:

Seeker`: Unless you've got 50 GiB files lurking about

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Seeker`:

I've got all the banners / fanart / etc. on one drive, as the space it takes up is negligable

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Seeker`:

EvilGuru: what 50GiB files do you have that aren't video?

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justinh:

EvilGuru: you're still not selling it to me

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EvilGuru:

Some are video, others are disk images

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justinh:

sounds like more work

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EvilGuru:

justinh: It is five minutes when you set up your system, but you get a lot of flexibility

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justinh:

flexibility I don't *want*

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Seeker`:

EvilGuru: takes me 5 mins to do a series of 'mkdir /media/diskX/.."

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EvilGuru:

Seeker`: So lets say you want to export all of your media over NFS

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EvilGuru:

if it is one FS and one logical block device it is a trvial one liner, no one on my network needs to care what drives I have

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justinh:

lol

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Seeker`:

EvilGuru: why do I want to do that?

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justinh:

nobody... there's only me on my network doing NFS

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justinh:

oh FGS... why isn't titanium backup working? I AM ROOT

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EvilGuru:

I love how people use the logic "I currently do not want to do something" => "I will never want to do something" => "No one will ever want to do something" => "Something is pointless"

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justinh:

EvilGuru: shut up. I frankly couldn't give a damn about your precious LVM

[12:13:14]

justinh:

you're preaching to the choir

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justinh:

saying that anybody who doesn't use it should be shot is *ignorant*

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Seeker`:

EvilGuru: No, I never said that LVM is pointless

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EvilGuru:

justinh: I was under the impression that most in the myth community have never used LVM

[12:14:09]

wagnerrp:

EvilGuru: thats entirely possible, because it doesnt make sense to mythtv

[12:14:13]

justinh:

anybody *still* using LVM for mythtv purposes.. I'd have to question their judgment

[12:14:16]

Seeker`:

There isn't a useful use case for me to use it, so I don't

[12:14:41]

wagnerrp:

LVM cannot operate in a manner that makes sense for mythtv's load behavior

[12:15:23]

justinh:

woot! universal androot says I am rooty. titanium backup begs to differ. lame

[12:15:28]

mycosys:

orly???

[12:15:47]

mycosys:

the whole external player thing???

[12:15:57]

Seeker`:

EvilGuru: Also, I specifically didn't want disks tied together, so that if i lose one disk I don't have to screw around to be able to access all of my other data

[12:16:28]

Seeker`:

which is also why I didn't use RAID

[12:16:44]

EvilGuru:

justinh: Not sure if you su or sudo, but sometimes some apps require the environment to be roots

[12:16:52]

wagnerrp:

well if you use RAID, you dont have to worry about losing one disk

[12:17:02]

EvilGuru:

wagnerrp: He probably means 'RAID' 0

[12:17:11]

wagnerrp:

thats not RAID

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mycosys:

unless ur silly enuf to use RAID0

[12:17:15]

wagnerrp:

it violates the definition

[12:17:23]

wagnerrp:

its just AID

[12:17:30]

EvilGuru:

Hence the inverted commas :P

[12:17:33]

justinh:

EvilGuru: AFAI Ti Backup requires busybox.. which I got

[12:17:54]

Seeker`:

wagnerrp: Something like RAID5 lets you lose one disk and recover, provided there aren't any errors you haven't encountered yet on the other disks

[12:18:52]

wagnerrp:

and something like RAID5 does not behave well against the way mythtv writes to disk

[12:18:58]

Seeker`:

I don't really care if i lose the media on the system, but I didn't want all of my data being dependant on any more than the disk it is sitting on

[12:19:31]

mycosys:

how many simultaneous recordings woudl you need happening for it to matter wagnerrp

[12:19:37]

EvilGuru:

Recovering RAID5 is also a nightmare, I lost data when a 3x1TB array had a drive failure

[12:19:59]

wagnerrp:

so use RAID6?

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wagnerrp:

mycosys: two

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mycosys:

for it to bother a hard disk?????

[12:20:30]

wagnerrp:

for it to bother for the filesystem

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EvilGuru:

wagnerrp: Now that disk prices are cheap I just mirror each drive

[12:20:40]

mycosys:

huh?

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wagnerrp:

mythtv has a very short sync loop

[12:21:00]

mycosys:

even the cheapest of HDDs arent going to be worried about 20MB/s

[12:21:17]

wagnerrp:

meaning if you record two videos to the same filesystem

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wagnerrp:

youre going to end up with a bunch of alternating ~1MB chunks of video

[12:21:43]

wagnerrp:

meaning your filesystem gets fragmented to hell

[12:22:50]

wagnerrp:

and if youre using autoexpiration

[12:23:03]

EvilGuru:

Increasing the alloc size for XFS helped a lot there (with fragmentation)

[12:23:03]

wagnerrp:

your filesystem doesn't have a whole lot of free space to attempt to clean that up on its own

[12:24:04]

mycosys:

seems like a bizarre way to make it behave

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EvilGuru:

mycosys: What does?

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wagnerrp:

the sync loop was deemed necessary for performance reasons

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mycosys:

anything that would make it write 1MB chunks in alternating patches rather than at least allocate a couple hundred meg at a time

[12:25:10]

wagnerrp:

to prevent the filesystem write buffer from getting too large and stalling

[12:25:38]

wagnerrp:

as well as for frontends that are reading straight from the disk

[12:25:54]

wagnerrp:

whether that measure is STILL necessary on a modern system, i cant say

[12:26:03]

wagnerrp:

danielk would be best to answer that one

[12:26:06]

EvilGuru:

wagnerrp: If it is reading from the disk it should be fine

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mycosys:

i would be guessing not on a 64bit bus with GBs of RAM

[12:26:42]

EvilGuru:

mycosys: No, the problem is that OSes buffer stuff

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wagnerrp:

EvilGuru: not if the frontend or backend is accessing the disk over NFS

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EvilGuru:

Then suddenly decide to flush their buffer to disk

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wagnerrp:

meaning it doesnt have access to the FS buffer

[12:27:05]

EvilGuru:

this tanks disk I/O for a few seconds

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mycosys:

so an internal RAM buffer would be needed to handle that

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mycosys:

like the ring buffer for playback

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mycosys:

io blocking happens

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mycosys:

sounds liek the solution used was to be light on ram

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EvilGuru:

mycosys: It is not RAM

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mycosys:

and not designed for the like of SATA 3g

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mycosys:

if ur disk IO tanks for a few sec and you have 2G of ram buffer you can ride it out

[12:29:19]

EvilGuru:

mycosys: Trust me, when the buffer is being flushed to disk I/O performance tanks

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mycosys:

i dont get how this affects buffering to RAM instead

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wagnerrp:

mycosys: when it 'tanks' like that, so does access to the buffer

[12:30:10]

EvilGuru:

But if you want to see for yourself start mythbackend with LD_PRELOAD set to libeatmydata

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mycosys:

do you get what i am saying?

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mycosys:

rather than just trust the OS buffer

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mycosys:

have your own

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EvilGuru:

mycosys: Yes, but there is no point

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wagnerrp:

which means you would need to set up some complex structure to manage your own internal write buffer

[12:30:57]

EvilGuru:

It is code that does not get you anywhere

[12:31:27]

mycosys:

if you have a GB of RAM buffer you will never have a disk IO that will block for long enough to worry you

[12:31:34]

EvilGuru:

internal buffering is almost as evil as TCP over TCP

[12:33:17]

EvilGuru:

so long as you've got your file system set up nicely the fragmentation is not an issue, either

[12:35:53]

mycosys:

'nice;y' meaning?

[12:36:12]

EvilGuru:

It allows you to get it to allocate disk space in big chunks

[12:36:12]

wagnerrp:

hes talking about the pre-allocation in XFS

[12:36:30]

EvilGuru:

I know XFS supports it and Ext4 may allow something similar

[12:36:48]

wagnerrp:

but then that causes other problems if you are storing anything other than very large files on the disk

[12:38:34]

EvilGuru:

I'm not sure if myth attempts to estimate the size of a recording, but it may well be fallocating

[12:39:03]

EvilGuru:

or at the very least fadvising

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EvilGuru:

Although IIRC the latter only affects reading, as opposed to writing of files

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likwid--_:

is there any headway on bluray playing? everything searchable on the web is outdated

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EvilGuru:

likwid--_: I believe people have had some success with older films

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wagnerrp:

anything AACS from prior to late 2009 is directly usable

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EvilGuru:

However it is my understanding that it requires libaacs to be available and for the right keys to have been downloaded

[13:10:18]

wagnerrp:

anything newer, and you need to manually pull the keys out of a hacked ROM

[13:10:25]

wagnerrp:

BD+ is not currently a possibility

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EvilGuru:

I did read, some years back, about a libbdplus project, although am unsure if it ever amounted to much

[13:11:49]

likwid--_:

perhaps thats my issue. im trying avatar... though i did install libaacs, aacskeys, etc etc. I can see with mythavtest bd://blah it finds correct disc and all the sections of the movie

[13:12:08]

likwid--_:

but fails at the "couldn't find a/v encoder for /media/cdrom"

[13:12:14]

EvilGuru:

I'm sure google will tell you if it is BD+ protected or not

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seeker:

Avatar can be ripped by makemkv

[13:15:19]

wagnerrp:

wow... cmdrtaco steps down from slashdot

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seeker:

Not sure if makemkv can deal with BD+, but I think that gives you a choice of ripping it unencrypted or streaming it to VLC

[13:16:11]

seeker:

(ripping it then allows you to play it through mythvideo)

[13:17:32]

likwid--_:

ffmpeg for this though needs -enable-libaacs compiled in?

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wagnerrp:

ffmpeg, as in the external application?

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likwid--_:

isnt that what mythavtest is going to use to play a bd?

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EvilGuru:

I think makemkv does support BD+, although it is non-free

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wagnerrp:

no, mythavtest is direct access to the internal decoder

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seeker:

EvilGuru: For what value of non-free?

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wagnerrp:

likwid--_: mythtv uses the ffmpeg libraries for decoding

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wagnerrp:

however those libraries are contained within mythtv's own code

[13:20:40]

wagnerrp:

it does not use any external system libraries

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wagnerrp:

so anything you do with 'ffmpeg' will have absolutely no effect on mythtv

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EvilGuru:

seeker: 50 euro of non-free

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wagnerrp:

further, mythtv does not take any --enable-libaacs during compilation

[13:21:18]

wagnerrp:

and aacs is dynamically loaded by the frontend at runtime

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seeker:

EvilGuru: It's free while it is in beta

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wagnerrp:

it is not compiled against it

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EvilGuru:

seeker: I am happy to wait until there is native support from vlc/mplayer/myth etc through suitable libraries :)

[13:23:06]

EvilGuru:

Although I do wonder how it gets the AACS keys, does it need to download them also?

[13:23:45]

seeker:

EvilGuru: BD+ support may take a while, as there isn't much obvious progress elsewhere.

[13:23:53]

wagnerrp:

the global keys all the way up to late 2009 were cracked

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seeker:

It would be great if people were still trying to do BDJ

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wagnerrp:

meaning any disc made before that point can be accessed directly

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EvilGuru:

wagnerrp: I remember reading about those; but there seem to have been nothing sense, oddly

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wagnerrp:

anything later, youre going to have to pull your own individual disc keys out of a drive with a hacked firmware

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EvilGuru:

how do the commercial apps handle newer disks, do they just have a db of the disk keys?

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wagnerrp:

lots of time, and money to fund it, and a banana republic to hide out in while doing so

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EvilGuru:

tends to help

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wagnerrp:

when youre a commercial product, you can actually fund several engineers to sit there all day and crack away at thigns

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wagnerrp:

as opposed to people trying to do so in their free time

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likwid--_:

im able to mythtavtest bd://media/bluray/ and it finds all the chapters and everything, just fails at Cannot find an A/V decoder.

[13:30:35]

wagnerrp:

plus you can fund buying up tons of movies to test on

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wagnerrp:

and your application can automatically send information upstream to you

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justinh:

BAD cyanogenmod :-\ Not letting me mount the phone over USB

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justinh:

so much for faster, better, stronger, harder etc

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justinh:

MEH

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justinh:

last time I ever listen to you NickHu

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justinh:

and I really do mean EVER

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jams:

justinh- i also can not access my phone over usb..most annoying

[14:30:38]

justinh:

looks like they borked the device IDs etc

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justinh:

lsusb shows the hub

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justinh:

and WTF have they done to the UI?

[14:32:49]

justinh:

settings overload :-\

[14:33:58]

justinh:

so it seems cyanongenmod is Android for dorks who like fiddling with crap all day long

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EvilGuru:

'mod' sounds like what the people down by the Co-Op do to their cars

[14:36:47]

seeker:

justinh: You mean like mythtv is for dorks that like fiddling with crap all day long? :P

[14:36:52]

justinh:

heh it detects my linux desktop & asks if I want to mount it.. but doesnt detect a windows machine

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justinh:

seeker: I don't fiddle with mythtv at all

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EvilGuru:

Wait, the phone wants to mount your PC, or vice versa?

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justinh:

which is why it spends the majority of its time just working

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justinh:

EvilGuru: no, the USB detection schtick

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justinh:

connect the linux machine, the phone says 'hey usb connected, want to allow it to mount the SD card?'

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justinh:

connect a windows machine.. nothing

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justinh:

ah now it might be that an app is using the sdcard.. but the app has no QUIT button (DUH, retarded Android!).. and I can't find the dscking task manager

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JEDIDIAH__:

I just hold down the home button to get to the task manager.

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NickHu:

Hey guys, what's the intel equivalent of vdpau?

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wagnerrp:

vaapi

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NickHu:

justin: Enable long press back to kill app

[15:55:17]

NickHu:

And install some windows usb driver or something, that's what I need to get windows to mount my phone properly

[15:55:28]

NickHu:

Also, go into Cyanogenmod settings -> Performance

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NickHu:

Overclock, max compcache, use JIT, dither, asset purge and max vm heap

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NickHu:

Reboot phone and suddenly it's a lot quicker

[15:57:44]

NickHu:

Also you might wanna install setcpu to auto underclock and undervolt your phone when the screen is off = Double battery life

[15:59:25]

NickHu:

OH and set the cpu governor to smartass if it supports it, then you don't need setcpu

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NickHu:

If it doesn't have that, use interactive governor instead

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likwid--_:

ive got a gt430, when i enable vdpau in the setup, med or high, my output is worse

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wagnerrp:

explain 'worse'

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NickHu:

Do you have the nvidia proprietary driver installed?

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wagnerrp:

if he doesnt have it installed, it would make no difference

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wagnerrp:

regardless of what he chose, it would default back to ffmpeg/xv

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likwid--_:

worse, choppy display, very pixelated

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likwid--_:

i had to put it back to cpu

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wagnerrp:

likely means your content is something the hardware decoder on your graphics card is not set up to handle

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wagnerrp:

is this broadcast? optical? or something you encoded?

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likwid--_:

this was hdhomerun tv streams

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NickHu:

My GTS 250 does HD tv fine

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NickHu:

With very little load

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likwid--_:

mine does to, but not with vdpau setting (which from reading was the appropriate setting)

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wagnerrp:

the HDHR streams are either damaged due to low signal quality

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wagnerrp:

or the broadcaster is using some option that the hardware decoder cannot handle

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wagnerrp:

software decoders are inherently more robust

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wagnerrp:

since theyre not constrained in capabilities by space taken up on silicon

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likwid--_:

ok. concerninng signal quality

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likwid--_:

im on a mac on the network with hdhomerung configgui running. 87% signal strength on a channel, 100% signal quality. when I ran the scan in the mythtv setup for the hdhomerun on my mythtv box, my signal quality is something like 49%

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likwid--_:

why the drop

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likwid--_:

same network. hell the hdhomerun is plugged in the same switch as the mythtv backend.

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wagnerrp:

mythtv may be interpreting the value differently

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abarbaccia:

hi everyone. i'm using an Atom + nvidia frontend and see some lag when i pull up the menu or OSD. My understanding was that the osd was accelerated by VDPAU, is this not correct?

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justinh:

grrrrrrrrrrrrr another backend lockup!¬!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!One :-(

[17:13:57]

EvilGuru:

justinh: As in the system or mythbackend

[17:14:35]

justinh:

mythbackend. stupid junk

[17:14:54]

Beirdo:

justinh: we await your patches :)

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

same as the other lockups/

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EvilGuru:

justinh: gdb backtrace?

[17:22:06]

justinh:

0 byte recording, no log entry

[17:22:17]

justinh:

EvilGuru: can't. running STUPIDEFFINGBUNTU innit

[17:23:00]

EvilGuru:

grab gdb and see if you can run the backend under it

[17:23:07]

justinh:

what's the point?

[17:23:24]

EvilGuru:

well if it keeps crashing you'll get a backtrace

[17:23:25]

justinh:

others have run MBE under GDB & not found squat

[17:23:28]

justinh:

it's not crashing

[17:23:33]

justinh:

it's deadlocking

[17:23:47]

EvilGuru:

if it is still running then strace

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EvilGuru:

it will let you see the syscall it is in

[17:24:10]

justinh:

probably waiting for mysql

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EvilGuru:

never seen that one before

[17:25:01]

justinh:

I haven't the patience for fixing stuff like this. it happens when I'm not looking & always when it's going to record something. I replaced my.cnf with something 'sane' & hammered the backend with loads of recordings for hours.. and nothing

[17:25:10]

justinh:

EvilGuru: users ML was all over it.. and the dev list too

[17:25:33]

justinh:

apparently *buntu mysql – or something connected with it – is making the problem come to light

[17:26:40]

justinh:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . ocks;#487911

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EvilGuru:

justinh: You shouldn't have showed me that! Bugs tend to occur more frequently once I know of them

[17:28:47]

justinh:

when I enable 'verbose record' logging I see a query go in.. and just not come back.. it even starts to make the file before generating the log entry

[17:29:02]

justinh:

it's doing this at least once a day now

[17:29:20]

EvilGuru:

I wonder if it is mysql deadlocking of just the myth client stuff

[17:30:21]

justinh:

I've got mysql logging slow queries.. and it hasn't seen any for the last 12 hours

[17:30:42]

justinh:

whereas... it didn't want to record Dead or No Deal (yeah go figure)

[17:31:13]

EvilGuru:

I blame the banker

[17:31:17]

justinh:

if anything it seems to be the first thing after a period of inactivity

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Beirdo:

what, you don't like watching idiotic bald Canadian hosts?

[17:31:52]

EvilGuru:

Beirdo: We get a former DJ

[17:32:12]

justinh:

s/DJ/radio\ presenter/ :-P

[17:32:37]

Beirdo:

heh, one of the ones who shoulda stayed on radio? Nice voice, not so nice exterior?

[17:32:44]

EvilGuru:

I used to remember watching his 'house party' as a kid when I was yonger

[17:33:46]

justinh:

anyway... since I upgraded to 0.24-fixes it's not really been fun

[17:33:55]

justinh:

whether it be because of mythtv or ubuntu or mysql

[17:34:30]

justinh:

now if I'd done the RIGHT THING in the 1st place & built mythtv from source myself as usual I'd just pop the debug flags in & away we go

[17:34:50]

justinh:

but nah I gave packages a chance. FAIL

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EvilGuru:

Please don't tell me they take the debugging goodness out of them?

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wagnerrp:

debugging goodness is added through a separate package with symbols files

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justinh:

really? is that enough?

[17:42:43]

justinh:

I've said it before & I'll say it again now – if this turns out to be some stupid mysql config thing or user error I've got away with til now on <0.24 then fine, I'll swallow that

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justinh:

or if blowing the database away & recreating it will help I'll go along with that too

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justinh:

so what do mythbuntu call this mythical debug thingy? can't seem to find it with apt-cache search mythtv |grep debug

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EvilGuru:

justinh: try dbg

[17:46:05]

justinh:

oh you are fricking KIDDING ME... once again... I'll have to pull everything again

[17:46:20]

justinh:

right that's it! I'm going back to the source way

[17:46:58]

justinh:

because these packages have been on longer than the update period... the dbg packages aren't available to me

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justinh:

oh. apt-get update.. and here they come. pfft

[17:47:42]

justinh:

still not mightily impressed

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justinh:

from the current pattern of events it seems that 'book of the week' is failing like clockwork – so if nothing else I should get another deadlock at 9.46am tomorrow

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justinh:

oh ffs... seems I'm underskilled to use gdb now

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EvilGuru:

Bah! The radiotimes can not seem to decide if Columbo constitutes a film or drama

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FabriceMG:

Is it normal that MythWeb does not work in 0.25? (mythbuntu repos)

[18:27:23]

wagnerrp:

no

[18:27:32]

FabriceMG:

fast !

[18:27:34]

FabriceMG:

:)

[18:28:13]

wagnerrp:

did you install the php bindings?

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FabriceMG:

i check

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FabriceMG:

php-mythv pakage installed

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FabriceMG:

my first -> http://pastebin.com/cpSsg39F

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FabriceMG:

my first page mythweb

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FabriceMG:

wagnerrp, 1 idea?

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wagnerrp:

nope

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EvilGuru:

FabriceMG: And it shows nothing more than that?

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FabriceMG:

nothing

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EvilGuru:

If so first check the server logs

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EvilGuru:

if they give you nothing go to the mythweb dir and see if there is a errors file (php likes to create em)

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wagnerrp:

its actually that raw text? not a rendered page?

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EvilGuru:

anyway it is likely that a network operation, say from mythweb to your server, is blocking

[18:40:09]

EvilGuru:

your server being the mythbackend

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EvilGuru:

explains why it stopps outputting half way

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FabriceMG:

wagnerrp, just 2 link dead on top of page , pastebin is text send by the apache server

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FabriceMG:

404 html code in apache log file !

[18:44:46]

FabriceMG:

"GET /mythweb/skin_url/style.css HTTP/1.1" 404 515 "http://192.168.1.110/mythweb/" "Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64) AppleWebKit/535.1 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/13.0.782.215 Safari/535.1"

[18:46:34]

FabriceMG:

i have upgraded , 0.24.1 -> 0.25

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FabriceMG:

apache (or the backend) don't replace "root_url" and "skin_url" by the good way

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FabriceMG:

I have all files in directory mythweb with today date

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FabriceMG:

dpkg-reconfigure mythweb -> I have now the list file in mythweb directory

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FabriceMG:

probleme with apache

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justinh:

oh yeah & that reminds me... mythweb isn't working on my phone browser either

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justinh:

so back to gdb I suppose.. Undefined catch command: "<< "EOF" | tee /home/mythtv/gdbcommands ". Try "help catch"

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justinh:

when I try making it go with the gdbcommands file on the wiki page http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Debugging#Running_gdb_directly&nbs p;– because I assume that apport isn't much cop

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justinh:

well that & I can't really be bothered to dig out my launchpad login details

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justinh:

oh! now I see

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justinh:

duh

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justinh:

"Copy and paste the following into a terminal to create a file called gdbcommands in your home directory".. means... copy & paste this lot into a terminal, not make a new file with these contents. DOOFUS

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sphery:

justinh: Heh, if youcan think of a clearer way of wording that, please feel free to fix. I'll be the first to admit my instructions don't always make as much sense to others as they do to me.

[19:11:05]

justinh:

so when I have a suitable gap in the recording schedule I'll run mythbackend under gdb... and hopefully get a backtrace.. which *hopefully* will be at least as enlightening as the others so far gleaned

[19:11:25]

justinh:

because this way of running mythtv can't go on. I need it to work :-)

[19:11:52]

sphery:

are you still fighting the deadlocks?

[19:12:53]

sphery:

there are a couple posts on the -users list that seem to indicate that some threading changes in master (to use the Qt MySQL stuff in line with Qt's limited design) may have fixed them

[19:12:57]

justinh:

yeah seeing at least one a day now

[19:13:21]

andreask73:

Has anyone tried to connect several Mystique Cabix DVB-C cards or KNC-1 DVB-C cards to the same backend?

[19:13:31]

justinh:

sphery: and they're too invasive to backport... or?

[19:13:40]

sphery:

since you know you're affected by the issue, you could try upgrading to master... <insert mandatory warnings and cautions>

[19:13:47]

sphery:

yeah, way too invasive to backport

[19:13:55]

sphery:

completely changed threading in MythTV

[19:13:58]

justinh:

sphery: anyway, if my backtrace confirms the issue at least I'll *know* :-)

[19:14:16]

sphery:

still not sure why it only affects some systems, though

[19:14:24]

sphery:

I haven't had a single issue, knock on wood

[19:14:48]

justinh:

I didn't really have any problems to write home about til I upgraded

[19:15:00]

sphery:

upgraded the distro, right?

[19:15:03]

justinh:

no

[19:15:08]

sphery:

just updated mythtv?

[19:15:10]

justinh:

yup

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wagnerrp:

andreask73: it should not be a problem

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sphery:

I'm running nearly-current 0.24-fixes

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justinh:

sphery: I'm pretty certain it's db related from the log output I've seen when I've had verbosity cranked up

[19:16:18]

andreask73:

wagnerrp: I know, I have 2 cards running, but as soon as I connect the third card the signal just goes crazy...

[19:16:23]

sphery:

did the db get upgraded?

[19:16:29]

justinh:

mysql.. ?

[19:16:32]

sphery:

yeah

[19:16:34]

justinh:

I dunno

[19:16:59]

sphery:

I have been running on the same mysql 5.1.45 for quite some time, now

[19:17:16]

justinh:

apt keeps logs I suppose... could go have a look

[19:17:18]

sphery:

(though I know some who are affected are using older versions of 5.1...)

[19:17:26]

sphery:

anyway, definitely weird

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justinh:

nothing in my apt history for mysql last month

[19:20:26]

justinh:

& I didn't go with mythbuntu til 27th Jul

[19:20:59]

justinh:

hmm I'm on 5.1.41 here

[19:21:44]

justinh:

if my backtrace shows that it IS a db related issue (bloody hope it is) then there's still lots of scope – I can ditch the mysql packages & build from source to see if that helps

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justinh:

or I can update to master..

[19:22:10]

justinh:

or what was the thing you suggested? recreating the db from scratch?

[19:22:35]

justinh:

before updating to master I think I'd be more inclined to try other methods first

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justinh:

which, if it ultimately helps might throw some light on what really goes wrong

[19:23:04]

andreask73:

Ok, so no luck there then, anyone know how to boost the signal before connecting the TV-cards? Specifically for DVB?

[19:23:05]

** wagnerrp wonders if someone heard a call for tuner help **

[19:23:23]

justinh:

andreask73: DVB-T? Sure. Get a distribution amp :-)

[19:23:29]

wagnerrp:

-C

[19:23:36]

wagnerrp:

but... same thing

[19:23:37]

justinh:

same answer :)

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sphery:

for re-creating the db from scratch, I can give you a blank 0.24-fixes DB, then you can use a hack to import the data from a backup without re-creating the DB... that would ensure all your indices are good, and such

[19:23:44]

andreask73:

ok :)

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sphery:

justinh: ^^^

[19:23:48]

andreask73:

Thanks

[19:24:30]

justinh:

oh wait a bloody minute

[19:25:01]

justinh:

when I last looked at the slow mysql query log, I thought the failed recording of concern was at 4.30pm today. It wasn't... soo...

[19:25:57]

justinh:

book of the week failed at 9.43am .. and I have this in the mysql slow log: http://pastebin.com/jAmS8wCN

[19:26:00]

justinh:

TADA!

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sphery:

that would be the big-ugly scheduler query

[19:27:50]

sphery:

are you running EIT? if so, that runs every 5mins

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sphery:

(during scanning)

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justinh:

yeah

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justinh:

I kinda need that for the radio channels though

[19:28:29]

sphery:

could explain why it seems that users with eit enabled seem to see more issues than those of us without

[19:28:34]

justinh:

yeah maybe

[19:29:31]

justinh:

sphery: I've also been looking at the db config – seeker suggested I try the mysqltune.pl script to see what it revealed.. and the output is disconcerting.. no caching... junk like that

[19:29:31]

sphery:

meaning it's still a problem, just one that I'm very unlikely to hit due to timing (1 scheduler run per day due to listings updates vs up to 288 for EIT users)

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sphery:

yeah, I never claimed to have a well optimized DB :)

[19:30:10]

andreask73:

Another question: Anyone here running mythtv with Comhem in sweden and has EIT working?

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sphery:

but it still seems to run things in seconds that users on certain distros report taking many minutes

[19:30:56]

sphery:

(like one such update took about 55s for me and >10min for another user)

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justinh:

sphery: the time search query takes over a minute here

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sphery:

yeah, that probably wouldn't be a good comparison with my system since I have very few channels

[19:31:49]

justinh:

I have 45 channels or something

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sphery:

but I will take a look at it some day and see what it's like on my system

[19:31:56]

sphery:

maybe we can optimize

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sphery:

I think I have about 30

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sphery:

most of which are garbage

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justinh:

seeker reckoned his took about 15 seconds with a similar amount of channels

[19:32:41]

justinh:

I think the time may soon be upon us where mythtv has to look at the db config

[19:33:01]

justinh:

or at least db performance

[19:33:25]

justinh:

oh wait! I have the "be as bad a sqlite" option enabled! ;-)

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sphery:

indices disabled, still?

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Seeker`:

justinh: I can time it properly in a min when a program ends – need to avoid exploding girlfriend syndrome though

[19:34:29]

justinh:

er... I dunno. I added the check for nonindexed queries but turned it off cos it was misleading me

[19:34:47]

justinh:

sphery: are all the tables indexed?

[19:35:08]

sphery:

wagnerrp: heh, we're about to lose our ability to joke about the uselessness of Windows file copy time estimates... http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/08/25/windows_8_file_changes/

[19:35:18]

justinh:

I'm guessing not, from what I saw yesterday

[19:35:28]

justinh:

sphery: windows 7 is pretty darn hot at file copy times now

[19:35:40]

justinh:

it can tell you the current copy speed & everything

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sphery:

I think we have indices for most tables--at least most other-than-trivial tables

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sphery:

some may not have been well optimized, though, due to being little used or whatever

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sphery:

justinh: cool... I do think Win7 is a nice OS. Just always liked joking about how inaccurate--and wildly-changing--the time estimates were in Windows

[19:38:30]

jams:

2m.....5hours...4hours...168hours..done

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sphery:

yeah

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EvilGuru:

It used to be really bad if you had a few big files and lots of smaller files

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Seeker`:

sphery: my DB has been up for 22 hours, and has had 1548 joins performed without indexes

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Seeker`:

Out of....1M queries apparently

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Seeker`:

justinh: is your query cache enabled yet/

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justinh:

sphery: oh the copy estimates were the worst kind of joke ever. I was pleasantly surprised

[19:42:59]

justinh:

Seeker`: no not yet

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Seeker`:

justinh: might be an idea. I have a hit rate of 99.6%

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EvilGuru:

I'm closer to 50%

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Seeker`:

justinh: query_cache_size 33554432, query_cache_type ON, query_cache_wlock_invalidate OFF

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EvilGuru:

No idea how the sever has managed to send 12 GiB

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justinh:

Seeker`: right thanks.. now got query caching going thanks to set global :)

[19:50:33]

EvilGuru:

was enabled by default on mythbuntu :/

[19:50:46]

justinh:

Seeker`: so is it underscores or dashes in the .cnf ?

[19:51:19]

sphery:

heh, Nick Helm's joke: "I needed a password with eight characters so I picked Snow White and the Seven Dwarves."

[19:51:31]

justinh:

lol

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sphery:

ref'ed in: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/08/25/fringe_gag/

[19:51:49]

sphery:

the others are pretty good, too

[19:53:08]

Seeker`:

justinh: underscores in the config I believe

[19:53:15]

Seeker`:

its dashes in the command line

[19:54:02]

justinh:

Seeker`: no, underscores worked for me... logged in as root & set global :)

[19:54:11]

justinh:

"Uncle Ben has died. No more Mr Rice Guy". LOL

[19:54:19]

sphery:

one is a variable the other is a config

[19:54:21]

sphery:

don't remember which

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sphery:

so sometimes setting the variable enables the config or vice versa, but don't know if that's always the case

[19:55:55]

Seeker`:

justinh: sorry, I meant "shell, starting up mysql passing them as options"

[19:57:03]

justinh:

well, I put that stuff in my.cnf too & logging in didn't barf it out

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rhpot1991:

iamlindoro: is it a known issue that only 2 tuners on a hdhr3cc are detected in setup?

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tgm4883:

EvilGuru, whats enabled by default, something we need to fix?

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EvilGuru:

tgm4883: Query cache

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justinh:

sphery: Wow. El reg readers are really miserable bastards aren't they? lol

[20:00:13]

tgm4883:

and that should be disabled?

[20:00:22]

tgm4883:

I'm going to need a bit more info to justify a change

[20:00:33]

tgm4883:

plus, lunch, back in 10 minutes. PM me with the details

[20:00:34]

EvilGuru:

tgm4883: I just had no idea it was enabled

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Seeker`:

it is enabled by default in a fresh mythbuntu install

[20:01:15]

Seeker`:

and I believe that it should be enabled

[20:01:19]

justinh:

sphery: so er.. indexes enabled? what did you mean by that?

[20:01:46]

EvilGuru:

Seeker`: It doesn't do any harm and appears to get a fair few hits

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EvilGuru:

I just remember having to manually enable it on Debian 4–5 years ago

[20:02:05]

sphery:

justinh: I thought you had mentioned something in #mythtv about disabling your indexes for some test you were doing

[20:02:21]

justinh:

no that was disabling the logging of unindexed queries :)

[20:02:30]

justinh:

I enabled it to see what was occuring there

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sphery:

ahhh, sorry--I misunderstood

[20:03:02]

sphery:

(think danielk might have misunderstood, too)

[20:03:39]

justinh:

yeh seeker suggested I turn it on to get a feel of how many tables didn't have indexes & were complicating queries

[20:03:54]

justinh:

to give an impression of maybe how much buffer/cache could be implied etc I think

[20:05:49]

justinh:

so er.. are any mythbuntu peeps having problems with deadlocks I wonder? and if not, what are the mysql config details mythbuntu uses? :)

[20:06:08]

sphery:

justinh: if you read http://irc.mythtv.org/ircLog/channel/4/2011-08-24:19:40:27 , and danielk's 19:42:37 reply, I think he also thought your "mind, I just enabled log queries not using indexes too so it'll have appeared in the slow log" comment was saying you changed some config to disable indices or something

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justinh:

sphery: heh logging queries not using indexes entries appear in the slow query log :)

[20:07:21]

justinh:

maybe I coulda worded that better

[20:07:22]

sphery:

justinh: we only have a primary index on dtv_multiplex: http://pastebin.com/Qp2CVfHH ... Is yours the same?

[20:08:03]

sphery:

ah, so you were saying that all queries that don't use indexes appear there, regardless of how long they take?

[20:08:42]

sphery:

I think I understand what you meant, now

[20:08:49]

justinh:

yeah if you enable the log queries not using indexes

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sphery:

and why you disabled logging non-indexed queries

[20:09:07]

justinh:

not enable logging of queries without having indexes enabled ;)

[20:09:13]

sphery:

heh, yeah

[20:09:37]

sphery:

so, that's not the slow query...

[20:10:19]

justinh:

no it is

[20:10:36]

justinh:

I disabled the logging of queries without indexes

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sphery:

and it's still in slow queries log?

[20:10:53]

sphery:

how slow?

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justinh:

23 secs

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sphery:

wow

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sphery:

got the info from the log?

[20:11:16]

sphery:

we might be able to add an index

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justinh:

oops 21 secs

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justinh:

http://pastebin.com/jAmS8wCN

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sphery:

still slow for a table that should have O(num_channels) rows, max

[20:12:16]

sphery:

especially on a system with 40 channels

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justinh:

figures

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sphery:

oh, wait, that's the scheduler query--not a dtv_multiplex query

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justinh:

yeah the dtv_multiplex query showed up in the slow log as an unindexed query

[20:15:20]

justinh:

although when I had the logging verbosity cranked right up even the simple queries where being a bother

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justinh:

but that could've been a scheduler query futzing things up

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sphery:

yeah, the scheduler query is a slow one... that one, in particular, is the "speculative scheduler"

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dashs:

Instructions to upgrade nvidia kernel module?

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sphery:

justinh: these are the primary tables involved... do your indices look the same: http://pastebin.com/pEpJCECW

[20:19:17]

justinh:

sphery: also quite funny how only the SQ at that time is showing up in the slow query log

[20:19:25]

justinh:

so I'm wondering WTH else is going on too

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justinh:

sphery: BTW the dtv_multiplex table.. mine is the same but for one thing

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justinh:

cardinality is 6 on mine

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justinh:

I dunno what that means

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sphery:

likely that means you only have 6 rows in your dtv_multiplex table :)

[20:22:21]

sphery:

i.e. since it's a primary key, the cardinality (uniqueness) should be 1:1 with the number of rows :)

[20:22:47]

justinh:

ah

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sphery:

here we waste bandwidth by having a separate mux for each station, which means we also don't get a lot of benefit from multirec (at least for OTA users in the US)

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justinh:

heh. awww poor you, with all that OTA HD

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sphery:

heh

[20:24:01]

justinh:

anyhoo, seems my table indexes are in fairly good shape

[20:24:20]

justinh:

which is pretty amazing considering the state my db has been to & back

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sphery:

yeah, I'm not complaining--what with digital capture cards being cheap, I just bought 4, which is plenty for the 5 primary networks here

[20:24:53]

sphery:

(actually, it's plenty every day except Thursday night when all 5 try to steal viewers from others by putting their best shows on)

[20:26:03]

sphery:

what about http://pastebin.com/pEpJCECW and http://pastebin.com/rctXYr5U indices? those are the ones involved in the scheduler query

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justinh:

I'll take a peek now cheers :)

[20:28:40]

sphery:

good luck

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sphery:

if those aren't right, you could manually correct them or we could do the "import all your data into a proper schema" approach

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justinh:

sphery: all good :)

[20:29:45]

justinh:

at least as far as I can tell by sight

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sphery:

(the latter being preferred because if any index is wrong, it makes the whole schema suspect)

[20:30:02]

sphery:

ok... so likely not indexes...

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justinh:

same number of rows, same column names it seems

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sphery:

yeah, likely good, then

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sphery:

:(

[20:30:39]

sphery:

but if the scheduler query is taking 20–25s, that's actually pretty good

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justinh:

?

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sphery:

was the 21/23s for the dtv_multiplex select or the scheduler query?

[20:31:20]

justinh:

scheduler

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sphery:

yeah, that's a very reasonable time for it

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sphery:

now if you system locks up due to io or whatever, and borks recordings because if it, there's a problem

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justinh:

there isn't even a log entry for the 0B recording

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sphery:

but I'd actually expect about that time for that query on a 45-channel system

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sphery:

that does sound a lot like the potential issues that may have been fixed by the master changes

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sphery:

basically, we were sharing mysql connections across threads, and qt doesn't guarantee that will work

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justinh:

could still be fixed up by changing mysql config

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sphery:

our usage was such that it wasn't really causing problems in the past--but something must have changed on some systems that meant it started causing problems?

[20:34:25]

justinh:

so that was a good lot of work redoing things for no visible benefit.. must've been taken pretty seriously :)

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sphery:

heh, yeah

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sphery:

danielk came up with a way that made it a workable change--and gave other benefits (allowing us to reuse more code and get better consistency for all our threads)

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sphery:

so even if it didn't fix the mysql issues, it was definitely a good change

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justinh:

win win win win :-)

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justinh:

you guys *do* love us after all :D

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sphery:

heh, yeah

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justinh:

I'm normally a very happy mythtv camper but having to kick the backend in the head every day is getting a bit much

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sphery:

yeah, I'm happy to be so fortunate to not have similar troubles

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justinh:

looking in my syslog out of curiosity...

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justinh:

Warning: program /usr/sbin/sensible-mda unsafe: No such file or directory ?!

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justinh:

syslog is flooded with it

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sphery:

http://packages.debian.org/sid/sensible-mda

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sphery:

something trying to send mails?

[20:41:26]

justinh:

I'm guessing so

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justinh:

but what?

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justinh:

installed sendmail.. I remember uninstalling it thinking "why the hell is sendmail installed?"

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wagnerrp:

sphery: yeah, the copy dialogs in 7 arent bad at all

[20:52:32]

wagnerrp:

the problem in the past was two fold

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justinh:

so erm.. back to themery... . artworksel... is that no longer used?

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wagnerrp:

the calculation ran off an instantaneous data throughput, rather than some rolling average

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wagnerrp:

meaning the estimates would vary wildly from one moment to the next

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justinh:

oh wait..

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wagnerrp:

and there was some form of buffer overflow that once you transferred a certain amount, you would have months left in your transfer

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wagnerrp:

billions and billions of seconds

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justinh:

Oooooooooooooooooooooo :-)

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sphery:

while I applaud his "don't use the DRM'ed Netflix streaming, just get discs" approach, I wish the guy on -users wouldn't have said he rips the rented DVDs to allow playback on multiple devices simultaneously

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sphery:

even though he said "cache" (implying temporarily), copying to allow concurrent multiple device playback is violating copyright law

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Seeker`:

how much should mythbackend put in the log with default logging options?

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Seeker`:

As I've not seen anything in mine since tuesday

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sphery:

it should have had something in it

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Seeker`:

2011-08–22 23:35:17.279 [mpeg2video @ 0x7f19d96f6580]ac-tex damaged at 26 18

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Seeker`:

that was the last entry

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Seeker`:

hmm, that was monday

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wagnerrp:

sphery: so he actually bought 6TB of space to 'cache' all those netflix 'rentals'?

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wagnerrp:

is he the person why i said couldnt possibly be so ignorant as to think thats legal?

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sphery:

heh, yeah

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wagnerrp:

i make it a point to never watch these after mailing them back, even though it may be several months before i delete them...

[21:35:01]

wagnerrp:

'tard...

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sphery:

id he say he makes a point to not watch them after mailing them back?

[21:36:10]

sphery:

did

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justinh:

Seeker`: maybe the logging thread is deadlocked :P

[21:36:27]

sphery:

ah, yeah, I see it now

[21:36:34]

justinh:

Seeker`: the opposite of mine :)

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wagnerrp:

if that were the case, why does he need 6 (or maybe 9) TB of storage for an 8GB disk?

[21:37:13]

justinh:

pass his email address to the MPAA already :-D

[21:37:14]

wagnerrp:

seems like he could have gotten by with an old boot drive, or a largish USB key

[21:37:45]

sphery:

well, he said he increased the number of discs at a time he can have... so maybe he's on the 750-at-a-time plan?

[21:38:13]

wagnerrp:

i think the most you can do is 9

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wagnerrp:

i think the tiers are like 1, 2, 3, 9

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sphery:

9, wow

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sphery:

I thought it was 4

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Seeker`:

justinh: heh. Restarted the machine. Still nothing.

[21:39:00]

sphery:

of course, you can't tell because they won't show you how much it costs until after your 1-mo free trial

[21:39:11]

sphery:

stupid website

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wagnerrp:

oh? they used to

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sphery:

well, maybe I just can't find it

[21:39:43]

wagnerrp:

it was like 8 for 1, 15 for 2, 20 for 3, or something like 35 for unlimited

[21:39:51]

sphery:

but they seem to really want me to start that 1-mo free trial before they say anything

[21:40:25]

wagnerrp:

or maybe 9 was the maximum turn-arounds you could expect in a month

[21:40:36]

wagnerrp:

i distinctly remember '9' coming into play somewhere

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sphery:

I also love the idea of giving a "gift" of Netflix... Here, have a month of Netflix--then you can pay the montly subscription from that point on

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Seeker`:

hmm, can someone / a few people do ps aux | grep mythbackend for me?

[21:41:32]

sphery:

even that doesn't really show how much it costs: http://www.netflix.com/GiftPurchase?lnktrk=gsTrkIdBuy

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sphery:

as that's only the streaming service

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justinh:

erm.. should I still have a mythvideo cron entry?

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sphery:

wagnerrp: http://www.netflix.com/HowItWorks , under FAQ, "How much does it cost?" "For only $7.99 a month, you get unlimited movies & TV episodes instantly over the Internet to your TV or computer. There are no commercials, and you can pause, rewind, fast forward or rewatch as often as you like. It's really that easy!"

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sphery:

it's as if they don't do discs anymore

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sphery:

Can I get DVDs by mail from Netflix? -> Yes. During sign up, you can add unlimited DVDs (1 DVD out-at-a-time plan) for only $7.99 more a month. With DVDs by mail, you'll get an even broader selection of movies & TV episodes. You can exchange each DVD as often as you want with no due dates or late fees – ever! You can add access to Blu-ray discs to your account at any time for an additional $2 a month.

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Seeker`:

erm. sudo service mythtv-backend stop isn't actually killing mythbackend :/

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Seeker`:

mmmk, any ideas what is causing me to get a ProcessRequest ringbuffer.cpp:1064 (WaitForAvail) – RingBuf(/media/disk4/liveTV/1029_20110825225318.mpg): Waited 0.2 seconds for data in my backend log?

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Seeker`:

(btw, I got my backend log fixed :P)

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NickHu:

Hey justinh, did you get cyanogen mod singing in the end then?

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NickHu:

Seeker`: That doesn't look like an error.. just funnily enough a piece of logging information.. in a log, shock shock horror

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jams:

anybody have experiance with zareason the pc builders?

[22:12:43]

wagnerrp:

never head of em

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wagnerrp:

heard

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jams:

never used them..tried to contact them twice (support email address) but no reply

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NickHu:

I had good experience with Cyber Power Systems

[22:15:01]

NickHu:

But my computer after that I built myself, good learning experience, and heck of a lot cheaper

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Seeker`:

NickHu: I'm not sure that a not-very-loaded system should be spending a lot of time waiting for data with that frequency

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NickHu:

It's a ring buffer.. which is just a fancy word for "a lot of i/o cycles"

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NickHu:

It's not an error or unexpected as far as I can tell

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justinh:

ao that hourly mythvideo cron job... do I need it or not?

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justinh:

I'll go take a look & see what it is anyway

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justinh:

JAMU.. just as I suspected. now deprecated yes?

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justinh:

I mean deprecated for 0.24

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likwid--_:

when i choose "Browse Videos".. nothing is found. ive got a couple of .mkv's in the videos dir. do I need to run a scan or somesort to add them in?

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wagnerrp:

you dont want to use 'browse' mode

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justinh:

hit MENU, scan for changes :)

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wagnerrp:

use normal mode, and scan for changes

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likwid--_:

kk thx

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justinh:

bah, just banged the hourly cron into a safe place. pretty sure I don't need it

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justinh:

and now, bed

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Seeker`:

nn

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likwid--_:

loud sound makes picture jumpy. guessing alsa or pulse audio doing something not friendly?

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likwid--_:

it did play much better in vlc on the same machine.

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wagnerrp:

sphery: do you have any suggestion on how i might match recording rules to orphaned files?

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Beirdo:

Fricking Liriano got injured again

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Beirdo:

pitched 2 innings and went straight to the DL15

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wagnerrp:

eew...

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wagnerrp:

the hauppauge cablecard tuner connects through the NDIS wireless drivers

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wagnerrp:

s/drivers/driver wrappers/

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Beirdo:

eeek

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Beirdo:

that's a bit suboptimal

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wagnerrp:

running on a /29, oddly enough

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wagnerrp:

i wonder if that thing has a hard coded ip address stamped on it

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: I suspect that's not a permanent state of affairs

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wagnerrp:

or otherwise how it ensures you dont have a network collision

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iamlindoro:

given the guy doesn't seem to know much about what the device can actually do, I wouldn't bet on it being properly configured

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wagnerrp:

how did he manage to get pre-release hardware?

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Beirdo:

you're always so full of good questions

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iamlindoro:

I know the hauppauge guys have them in hand now, so maybe he "knows a guy"

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Beirdo:

or knows a truck driver on the route...

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wagnerrp:

that would qualify as 'a guy'

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Beirdo:

hehe, I guess so

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wagnerrp:

usually, anyway...

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wagnerrp:

shame ifconfig under linux doesnt display nice things like media type

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