Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Wednesday, August 24th, 2011, 00:00 UTC

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wagnerrp:

http://99-bottles-of-beer.net/language-punch-cards-1151.html

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Seeker`:

does'nt make sense to me that multiple episodes of the same thing won't appear in the watchlist after one item is watched – what about people who save up episodes for the weekend

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wagnerrp:

honestly, i have no clue how the watch list is generated

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wagnerrp:

ive never used it

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Seeker`:

it seems there is an option that prevents episodes from the same program appearing more frequently than X days

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Seeker`:

but the smallest you can set X to is 1

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wagnerrp:

if you want to watch a specific program, why not just select that specific program?

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sphery:

yeah, I don't use the watch list, either... I use my brain to decide :)

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Seeker`:

just seems a bit weird to not let things from the same series show up

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sphery:

the watch list is pretty much just Bruce Markey's brain's algorithm for deciding what to watch written in code--it does exactly what he wants it to do. Pretty sure no other dev has touched any of it (and would be surprised if other devs use it :)

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sphery:

Seeker`: set that value to 0 and see if it works properly. if you don't see any bugs, file a ticket asking if we can change the range to include 0–5 and I'll do it

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sphery:

PlaybackWLBlackOut , which you should be able to find in mythweb settings

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sphery:

again, though, I'm sure it doesn't seem at all weird to Bruce :)

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sphery:

and by "if you don't see any bugs", I mean run with that for a few days and see if weirdness results

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sphery:

note that if you directly edit the db, you'll need to clear your settings cache or it's not using the new value

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sphery:

(so I highly recommend using mythweb)

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Seeker`:

hmm, cant' find PlaybackWLBlackOut in mythweb

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sphery:

it's host-specific... should be in there...

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sphery:

settings, mythtv, settings table

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sphery:

you'd need to set it to a frontend host name

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Seeker`:

hmm, its set to 2 in the table, but 1 in the UI

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Seeker`:

bah, no, I'm being stupid

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Seeker`:

knocked the keyboard earlier

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sphery:

it looks like it will work fine with 0 (and, FWIW, it's crazy because it's actually using value * 4 for daily recordings and (value * 24) -4 for weekly recordings, and (value * 48) – 4 for non-recurring rules

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Seeker`:

heh

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Seeker`:

looks fine so far with 0

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Seeker`:

will let it run like this for a day or two, then make a ticket

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sphery:

guess that's the "Daily shows also have a smaller interval based on this setting." part of the help (with the implied, "and weekly... larger...")

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sphery:

thanks

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sphery:

the change won't go into 0.24, but if we have the setting, being able to disable it makes sense, too, so I'd like to get that in

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Seeker`:

nothing reported in the mythfrontend log immediately when marking stuff as watched, and the next episode appears immediately

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sphery:

(but you know how to fix it for your frontends)

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sphery:

cool

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Seeker`:

I'm running 0.25 anyway :)

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sphery:

yeah, it doesn't look like it would cause any problems at all--just want more testing than just seconds worth :)

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sphery:

heh, cool, then you'll have the widget right away :)

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Seeker`:

:) thanks for the help

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iamlindoro:

Pffft, getting a cable card was easy

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iamlindoro:

"I need one of them card things for my Tivo"

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iamlindoro:

And apparently they're activating my "Digital Set Top Box" ;) Which I guess is more or less true...

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sphery:

if it's not on top of your tv set, you better move it, or it might not activate properly

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sphery:

(that name is such an anachronism in this day of thin-screen tvs)

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iamlindoro:

I have it on an erector set, does that count?

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iamlindoro:

Or maybe a swing set?

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sphery:

that would work, too--it's a set

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iamlindoro:

All that said, it appears it'll be a while before the activation takes... so... I might as well go for a run

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mag0o:

put it on top of some twins, they're normally considered a set

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iamlindoro:

That sounds vaguely suggestive

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** iamlindoro settles in to some Discovery Channel HD, captured digitally :) **

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iamlindoro:

The rumors were true, everything but HBO :)

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iamlindoro:

I am the luckiest Comcast customer ever--- got my card activated on the first call, with the first tech, in the first ten minutes

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abarbaccia:

iamlindoro: just saw your note on -users. What a great experience!

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iamlindoro:

abarbaccia: Yeah, I feel extremely lucky since it appears lots of people are spending hours and days getting Comcast to "do the right thing"

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abarbaccia:

iamlindoro: yeah, read a few of those also. i think you just knew the right questions to ask.

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iamlindoro:

I definitely spent the last few weeks "doing my homework"

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iamlindoro:

I expected trouble and did some research to head it off

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abarbaccia:

well, it definitely paid off! are all your channels copy freely (minus HBO)?

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iamlindoro:

yup

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iamlindoro:

Recording Syfy HD + Food HD + Travel HD right now, just for giggles

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iamlindoro:

abarbaccia: Per the SiliconDust guys, FIOS is equally generous FYI

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abarbaccia:

i've read a few reports which makes me optimistic, but right now i'm trying to cut down on cable costs. debating going with just an antenna actually!

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abarbaccia:

also, i'm looking at rebuilding my system – combine the fe / be since right now my BE is also my desktop computer

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abarbaccia:

which i might replace with a laptop

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wagnerrp:

use a laptop as your BE?

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abarbaccia:

no, build a new FE/BE for myth

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abarbaccia:

and use my laptop for my personal stuff

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abarbaccia:

i'm waiting for the intel libva stuff to stablize a bit more for sandy bridge. doesn't seem like people are having success with hardware deinterlacing...

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wagnerrp:

i was under the impression VAAPI simply didnt support much in the way of deint, period

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wagnerrp:

for what its worth, nVidia cards dont have any form of hardware deint

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wagnerrp:

those filters are just shader programs written into the graphics drivers

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wagnerrp:

wow, havent seen you around in a while

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mkrufky:

ah, yea i havent been on irc much lately

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mkrufky:

how goes it? :-)

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wagnerrp:

annoying

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mkrufky:

ha

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mkrufky:

sorry to hear that

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wagnerrp:

users getting down on us for trying to explain why they shouldnt use mythtv as a streaming proxy for accessing a netflix box in an another area of their home

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mkrufky:

thats not what mythtv is for

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mkrufky:

silly users

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wagnerrp:

and the long debated argument over mythtv's playback latency on live tv

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wagnerrp:

nevermind the fact that even if we do completely get rid of it, you still have to deal with the latency intrinsic to the IVTV and HDPVR devices

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mkrufky:

on top of that, DTV itself is broadcast compressed video and no two tv's will play in sync with each other anyway

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wagnerrp:

but... "you just dont want to do it" isnt an acceptable answer, apparently

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wagnerrp:

well this wasnt in relation to syncing playback

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mkrufky:

that's when you just disappear from irc for a year or two while writing some more code, then come back to irc again to announce the releases ...

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wagnerrp:

its always for shorter channel change times

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mkrufky:

:-D

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wagnerrp:

or ability to use interactive STB features

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mkrufky:

(i made a joke.. .probably wasnt funny)

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mkrufky:

yes i understand

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mkrufky:

same goes for video games

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mkrufky:

u dont have mythtv broadcast the video from a gaming console in another room

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mkrufky:

i guess u CAN but why?

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wagnerrp:

because youre too cheap to buy a monitor with analog inputs

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iamlindoro:

F YOU DON'T YOU TELL ME WHAT I CAN'T DO

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iamlindoro:

</user>

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mkrufky:

;-)

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mkrufky:

ok so now, apparently, i gotta build an entire unstable kernel to test this new driver before i can request a merge

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mkrufky:

do users just squirm now and wait for distros to update their kernels when they need a brand new driver?

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wagnerrp:

generally

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wagnerrp:

building kernels is hard

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iamlindoro:

mkrufky: yes. What an awful, awful change that was

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iamlindoro:

how did they get that by the rest of the tuner devs?

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mkrufky:

im very not excited

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mkrufky:

umm

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mkrufky:

no idea

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abarbaccia:

wagnerrp: thanks for the info. do you know if there are plans to do anything similar with va-api and intel? i saw a VA API commit about how deinterlace didnt work because it was broken upstream...

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wagnerrp:

abarbaccia: no idea, to be honest, nvidia is really the only manufacturer that takes linux seriously

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abarbaccia:

wagnerrp: but ion is so wimpy!!!

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abarbaccia:

or should i say that ATOM is so wimpy

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[R]:

i freakin hate hardware

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** Beirdo waves to mkrufky. Nice to see ya around **

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** mkrufky waves back at Beirdo **

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mkrufky:

this kernel build looks almost done ... it better work on my laptop (crosses fingers)

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Beirdo:

heh, I'm off building Qt in Windoze...

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** wagnerrp just thinks of this when people are waving... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fpc5vgi9zbM#t=3m43s **

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mkrufky:

hmm... i wasn't thinking about how a kernel upgrade from 2.6.35 ubuntu to 3.1.0-rc3+ would trigger new libc packages etc

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wagnerrp:

3.1 already?

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mkrufky:

i guess so ... thats what i got when i cloned from mauro's tree

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Beirdo:

it's like Firefox numbering now

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Beirdo:

it will be 4.0 by year end at this rate

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mkrufky:

heh

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iamlindoro:

wheeee, so many tuners, so little programming!

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iamlindoro:

But it's nice to have the ability to record it if it was there :)

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Beirdo:

as Butthead once said... "500 channels, and they're all crap"

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iamlindoro:

It will probably make me very excited when TV comes back

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Beirdo:

yeah, here's hoping :)

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Beirdo:

stupid Qt. stop making me restart compilation

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Beirdo:

got 2GB RAM on that VM plus 4G of page file... and it still belches

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Beirdo:

but once it's done, hopefully the mythtv part will compile fine anyways :)

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wagnerrp:

2GB is a bit weak for compiling mythtv

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wagnerrp:

-j3 will suck every bit of that up

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: i dont really understand why that one would segfault

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wagnerrp:

or more specifically, why his patch would prevent it from happening

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Beirdo:

simple

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Beirdo:

if there's no LANG in the environment, it will return NULL

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Beirdo:

and we didn't check that

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k-man:

are there any prebuilt binaries from master for OSX?

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: even still, that should be a false negative

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Beirdo:

if it's not set, we should still give the warning

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wagnerrp:

sure, but why would his patch prevent the segfault

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Beirdo:

but as it is without that patch, we will crash on the strcmp

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wagnerrp:

shouldnt it be doing the strcmp regardless?

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Beirdo:

if lang == 0...

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Beirdo:

nope

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Beirdo:

it will stop at the first true

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wagnerrp:

that seems awfully dangerous to assume the compiler will optimize the test in that manner

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Beirdo:

that's not an assumption

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Beirdo:

that's the spec

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Beirdo:

C and C++ both

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Beirdo:

if you say if (a || b || c), it is supposed to stop as soon as it's true

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Beirdo:

likewise on if (a && b && c), stop as soon as it's false

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k-man:

it's called shortcircuiting iirc

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wagnerrp:

thats good to know

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wagnerrp:

i think i have some multi-level ifs scattered around because i didnt think it would behave that way

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Beirdo:

can't hurt to have multi-level, but that's how the language is supposed to work :)

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k-man:

I read this book called Deep C Secrets about all the intricacies of C, very good reading imho

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Beirdo:

same goes for perl, BTW

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Beirdo:

that's also why sometimes I go and change the order in the if

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Beirdo:

put the one that will filter it most first

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Beirdo:

(other than the safety ones like this one of course)

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Beirdo:

no use doing a really slow check first if a fast filter will decrease the number of times you need to run the slow condition

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wagnerrp:

well i said i was going to rewrite the 'rebuild_database' script like 12 hours ago, maybe i should actually sit down and do it

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Beirdo:

heheh

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Beirdo:

I know how that goes

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Statts:

hi all, I am having a little trouble connecting to the database from a remote frontend machine, using the user and password from /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt but getting told I am not authorized

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rseward:

Hello

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wagnerrp:

did you grant access to the remote machine?

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rseward:

Does anyone know how to create a Jump Point to the Media Library or the Watch Recordings menu?

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Statts:

wagnerrp, quite possibly not

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Statts:

how do I do that, if you have a few seconds to explain?

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wagnerrp:

grant all on mythconverg.* to 'user'@'address' identified by 'password';

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wagnerrp:

rseward: what version of mythtv are you running?

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rseward:

wagnerrp: just a second looking. Does Status show me this?

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wagnerrp:

mythbackend --version

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Statts:

wagnerrp, Command 'grant' not found

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Statts:

should this be under mysql?

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wagnerrp:

you ran this from within mysql?

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Statts:

mysql> grant all on mythconverg.* to 'user'@'address' identified by 'password';

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wagnerrp:

you must run that as the root mysql user

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Statts:

thought I saw my own problem :)

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Statts:

hrmmm wont let me run mysql

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wagnerrp:

mysql -uroot -p

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rseward:

wagnerp: MYTHTV Version: 26437

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wagnerrp:

and branch?

[05:49:42]

wagnerrp:

actually, it doesnt matter

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rseward:

wagnerp: My frontend has the same version. This is on mythbuntu 10.10.

[05:49:49]

wagnerrp:

there are jumppoints to both

[05:50:00]

wagnerrp:

you just have to map keys to them in the keybindings page

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Statts:

leave the '' around the user, address and password, wagnerrp

[05:50:37]

Statts:

?

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wagnerrp:

yes

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rseward:

wagnerrp: I don't see them in my frontend Jump Points config page nor in my mythweb bindings screen.

[05:50:47]

Statts:

thank you

[05:51:24]

rseward:

wagnerrp: Any idea what the jumppoint string name is and which config file these get saved too? Oh, the likely are stored in mysql aren't they?

[05:52:11]

wagnerrp:

to be honest, i have no idea

[05:52:27]

wagnerrp:

each plugin automatically gets a jumppoint to its root, and i know watch recordings has a jumppoint

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wagnerrp:

but beyond that, i dont know what to tell you to do

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wagnerrp:

ive never used them

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rseward:

wagnerrp: Unfortunatley the "Watch Recordings" nor "Media Library" section of the menus do not have a Jump Point in my installation.

[05:56:15]

rseward:

Anyone know how UPNP works with MythTV? My .flv files are exported to UPNP clients with a .flv.txt extension.

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Statts:

now my frontend (not mythbox) is beinga pain and not letting me change the mysql settings :) might be time for a reinstall of the frontend

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wagnerrp:

probably because flv files are not a format explicitly understood by the upnp server

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wagnerrp:

more importantly though, i doubt any hardware client would have the first clue what to do with a flv file

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rseward:

Can any one do a select from your mythtv jumppoints table for me?

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wagnerrp:

Statts: there is a command line option to force the database selection dialog, -p maybe

[05:59:13]

dekarl:

was wondering why I added specific nested tests, too... C++-specific caveat: short-circuiting will NOT apply to overloaded || and &&.

[05:59:19]

rseward:

wagnerrp: I don't care about hardware clients all that much. Can I get the mythtv UPNP server to not mangle the .flv names?

[05:59:53]

Statts:

thanks, settings have opened up now though

[06:00:12]

wagnerrp:

rseward: not through any configuration change

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wagnerrp:

that stuff is all hardwired

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wagnerrp:

you need to patch mythtv and recompile

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Statts:

this frontend says default port for the db is 3306, however I thought I remember seeing 6543 in mythtv-setup> General?

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rseward:

wagnerrp: Quality time with the source code?

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wagnerrp:

note that much of the UPNP server has been rewritten

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wagnerrp:

so any patches made against 0.24 or 0.23.1 will likely not be valid

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rseward:

statts: 3306 is the default port for MySQL in general and the mythtv MySQL instance for my mythbuntu install.

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wagnerrp:

Statts: 3306 is the default mysql port, 6543 is the default port mythbackend listens on

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Statts:

ok thank you

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Statts:

woohoo success

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Statts:

just need to get my head around this frontend now :)

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rseward:

I have an .avi file in my video directory. Mythtv shows the file in upnpmedia table, but it will not display the file in the Watch Video screen on the front end. Any ideas?

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sphery:

rseward: Utilities/Setup|Edit Keys, then select Jump Points

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rseward:

sphery: Yes. I have tried that. Unfortunately I don't find a jump point that looks anything like "Watch Recordings" or "Media Library"

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wagnerrp:

the upnp server and mythvideo are completely disconnected

[06:08:42]

wagnerrp:

they use different database tables, and different folder definitions

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wagnerrp:

that has been resolved in 0.25

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bumblebeebat_:

Hey Guys, I just wanted to know if this is a bug. I have been able reproduce this. I am running mythbuntu with 0.24–249. I am in mythvideo with a library of videos. If I switch into file browsing mode and scan for changes I have mythvideo start to duplicate the inputs. The duplicates can not be played. I was just wondering if this is a known behaviour.

[06:09:35]

sphery:

rseward: you want TV Recording Playback and MythVideo or Video Browser or Video Listings or Video Gallery

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sphery:

but please set them through the UI

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sphery:

it makes sure you don't have any conflicts

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Statts:

Error saying 'All tuners are busy' ... but I'm not actually watching anything :)

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rseward:

sphery: Is mythweb good enough?

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wagnerrp:

bumblebeebat_: when you switch into 'file browse' mode, you no longer scan for changes

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sphery:

it doesn't check for conflicts

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sphery:

meaning you can break your system without even knowing it

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wagnerrp:

file browsing mode is just what it sounds, a file browser

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wagnerrp:

meaning it no longer uses the database tables for a list of content

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sphery:

and no metadata, right?

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wagnerrp:

correct

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sphery:

meaning it should die!

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wagnerrp:

you really should not be using file browsing mode, and file browsing mode should simply be removed from mythvideo

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sphery:

agreed

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Beirdo:

fargh

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Beirdo:

the wrapper script seems to be eating the = in the configure command line arguments.

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rseward:

sphery: Thank you for the tip!

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rseward:

Anyone know which mysql table has the video files discovered by the frontend?

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wagnerrp:

a different one from the table used by the upnp server

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Statts:

anyone know how to stop tuners in mythbox

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rseward:

wagnerrp: Ha! Funny!

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** Statts ducks for mentioning mythbox **

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wagnerrp:

rseward: we generally frown upon users attempting direct access to the database

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wagnerrp:

and if youre talking about the upnp server, then it has nothing to do with mythvideo or the frontend

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rseward:

wagnerrp: Dude I am a programmer. no updates I promise.

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rseward:

wagnerrp: Yes. I acknowledge the UPNP is disconnected from the mythvideo plug in.

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wagnerrp:

thats fine, if you say what you want to accomplish, we can advise on how to best do that

[06:17:22]

rseward:

wagnerrp: I can't get the mythvideo plugin to recognize an AVI file in my videos directory.

[06:17:43]

wagnerrp:

'avi' is one of the default file types defined for mythvideo

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rseward:

wagnerrp: I can't make the video available in the Watch Videos screen.

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wagnerrp:

unless you changed those file types, it shoudl show up

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wagnerrp:

in the frontend settings, you can mark a filetype as hidden, or you can simply delete it all together

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rseward:

wagnerrp: I haven't changed those file types. How can I verify the file types are still correct.

[06:18:38]

wagnerrp:

at which point it goes based off whether you marked off that you want to allow unknown types

[06:18:54]

wagnerrp:

mythvideo settings should be accessible through the 'm' menu

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wagnerrp:

are you using storage groups or local folder definitions?

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bumblebeebat_:

thanks guys. I think it should be as well. When you are in file browsing mode it is possible to still scan. If it were not removed, perhaps it would be a good idea to disable some menu options

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wagnerrp:

storage groups are defined in mythtv-setup, local folders are defined in mythfrontend in the mythvideo settings

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rseward:

wagnerrp: I am not sure if I am using storage groups or local folders. I believe I defined a directory for my videos. So I guess I am using local folders.

[06:20:39]

wagnerrp:

if you are using local folder definitions, you should consider transitioning to storage groups, and the frontend requires file permissions to those videos

[06:21:02]

wagnerrp:

if you are using storage groups, then the backend requires file permissions to those videos, and streams the content to the frontend

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rseward:

wagnerrp: The front end runs as my account correct? So the video file needs to be readable by my account?

[06:21:46]

wagnerrp:

if using local folders, yes

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Statts:

guys, mythbox is telling me that both tuners in my backend are watching shows. if I try to watch live tv, it says "All tuner(s) are in use", even if I select a channel that mythbox tells me the tuner is watching

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wagnerrp:

Statts: then you must restart your backend

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rseward:

wagnerrp: I have a File Type of flv. And the external command is vlc. Can I do this?

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Statts:

is there a way to stop the tuners 'watching'

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Statts:

wagnerrp, is that a common thing? what is the command?

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wagnerrp:

rseward: yes you can, however the internal player should be capable of playing flv files as well

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wagnerrp:

Statts: restarting the backend?

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Statts:

yes

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Statts:

is it common to have to do it?

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rseward:

wagnerrp: Do I need to enable experimental flv support to watch .flv files with the front end?

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wagnerrp:

experimental flv support? i dont know what that is

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wagnerrp:

Statts: it is an issue experienced by mythbox users when mythbox does not properly close a livetv session, leaving the tuner hung

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Statts:

thanks wagnerrp, would be nice if the devs included a button on the mythbox main screen to restart the backend

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wagnerrp:

Statts: we dont have anything to do with mythbox

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Statts:

I know, I'm just saying

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Statts:

would have been good if -they- did that. I know mythbox is frowned upon a little here

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Statts:

anyway, what is the command to restart the backend?

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wagnerrp:

you kill the backend, and then you start it back up the same way you always do

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wagnerrp:

or, you let the init script do it for you

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rseward:

wagnerrp: .avi files seem to be enabled for play back. However my .avi file still doesn't appear in the "Watch Video" screen.

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Statts:

having trouble finding how to restart mythtv backend

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rseward:

Statts: try /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend restart

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wagnerrp:

note that command above is very distro-specific

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rseward:

Statts: From the command line of your mythtv backend box.

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Beirdo:

I *HATE* Windows

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wagnerrp:

still dealing with that buildbot?

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rseward:

Statts: try service restart mythtv-backend

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Statts:

restart: Rejected send message

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rseward:

Statts: what distro?

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Statts:

mythbuntu

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Statts:

mythtv 0.23

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wagnerrp:

rseward: select intid,title,fileame from videometadata where filename like '%.avi';

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Statts:

http://pastebin.com/58DhMJwE

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rseward:

Statts: try "sudo service mythtv-backend restart"

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Statts:

ah. that worked :)

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rseward:

wagnerrp: select intid,title,filename from videometadata where filename like '%.avi'; returns absolutely no rows.

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Statts:

ok bakend restarted and the tuners are STILL busy :S

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wagnerrp:

do you have anything in there? select count(1) from videometadata;

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rseward:

wagnerrp: I have one .avi file, one .flv file and a sub-directory of .flv files below the root.

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rseward:

wagnerrp: select count(1) from videometadata; returns "0"

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wagnerrp:

so the scanning simply isnt doing anything

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wagnerrp:

have you ever actually scanned?

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rseward:

wagenrrp: How do I "scan" ?

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wagnerrp:

m->Scan For Changes

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rseward:

Let me try.

[06:40:07]

rseward:

Hmm.. that made a difference. Is there an idiots guide to using Myth TV?

[06:40:19]

wagnerrp:

http://mythtv.org/wiki/MythVideo

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rseward:

My .avi file is choppy... This is probably because my CPU is not up to the task?

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wagnerrp:

what is the cpu?

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rseward:

AMD Sempron(tm) Processor 3100+

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wagnerrp:

not likely

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rseward:

NViDIA GeForce 4000 card.

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rseward:

.flv file is nice.

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wagnerrp:

GF2 MX4000?

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rseward:

.flv file plays nice.

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rseward:

[GeForce4 MX 4000]

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wagnerrp:

you are using the nvidia legacy drivers?

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rseward:

Yes. I am stuck with mythbuntu 10.10 as a result.

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wagnerrp:

are you using the Slim profile?

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rseward:

I need to output to the composite video output. Only the legacy drivers seem to support this feature.

[06:45:19]

rseward:

Yes. I have a media pc that requires a slim profile PCI card.

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wagnerrp:

no, video playback profile

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rseward:

What is the Slim profile?

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wagnerrp:

it means to just use the software decoders and Xv

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wagnerrp:

its the playback profile that is basically guaranteed to work

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rseward:

wagnerrp: How do I check if I am using the "Slim profile"

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wagnerrp:

it should have been the default, but for unknown reasons it wasnt

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wagnerrp:

its in the frontend playback settings

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wagnerrp:

i dont recall where specifically

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Beirdo:

OK, think I FINALLY slapped it into submission

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Statts:

correction: restarting backend worked

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rseward:

wagnerrp: I see this: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Playback_profiles

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rseward:

wagnerrp: But I can't find where to set this. Do I need to assign my file type to the "Slim playback" profile?

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wagnerrp:

its a frontend option, nothing to do with mythvideo

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rseward:

Hmm.. I can't find the playback profiles.

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wagnerrp:

beirdo, you remember where those are in the old menu layout?

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Beirdo:

ummm, not really

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Beirdo:

sorry :)

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rseward:

TV Settings apparently. It is set to CPU+ which I guess is bad.

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rseward:

Do I need to restart the frontend for the Slim playback profile to take affect?

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wagnerrp:

no

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rseward:

Slim profile doesn't seem to make a difference on this AVI file..

[07:05:11]

rseward:

It is an HD video, maybe I need to try a non-HD file.

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wagnerrp:

you put something HD into an avi?

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rseward:

Elephant's Dream if you remember that Creative Commons animated feature.

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wagnerrp:

avi was never good for standard definition stuff in the 90s

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wagnerrp:

there have been better options available ever since HD was a term

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Beirdo:

OMG. configure worked :)

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rseward:

I have the .avi file for a while.

[07:09:16]

rseward:

Pulling down a smaller version of the animated short, to see if that works better.

[07:09:23]

rseward:

It is still in .avi format.

[07:09:35]

rseward:

http://video.blendertestbuilds.de/download.blender.org/ED/

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rseward:

This is the location of the film.

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wagnerrp:

depending on the quality, it is possible that sempron is simply too slow

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rseward:

Yeah, that might be.. Except I have watched this same file on this machine several times with vlc.

[07:10:43]

Gumby:

is it possibly (specifically with ubuntu 0.24 packages) to choose a different OSD theme than the main theme? I don't see the option to do that anywhere anymore

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wagnerrp:

different players use different codecs and may run more or less efficient

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rseward:

Although when I last watched it, I was using the ATI video card integrated into the mobo.

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Gumby:

s/possibly/possible/

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wagnerrp:

graphics card wouldnt matter, since neither of them would support h264 acceleration

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wagnerrp:

and likely wouldnt support HD mpeg2 acceleration either

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rseward:

If I change key bindings in mythweb do I need to re-start the frontend for the changes to take affect?

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wagnerrp:

no

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rseward:

I need to exit the function in which I changed the keybindings certainly?

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wagnerrp:

likely

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rseward:

A smaller version of the Elephant's Dream seems to make a difference. Although playback is still a little choppy.

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wagnerrp:

open top, are you getting a lot of load off Xorg?

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rseward:

74.9% of my CPU.

[07:24:23]

rseward:

80%

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rseward:

82% Xorg

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wagnerrp:

yeah, that should be close to zero, if mythtv is offloading scaling to the graphics card properly

[07:25:21]

wagnerrp:

is the Composite option enabled in your xorg.conf? try disabling that and reloading X

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rseward:

Hmm.. I need the composite output..

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wagnerrp:

no, completely different

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wagnerrp:

the Composite option changes how different elements are layered by X

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wagnerrp:

and it can conflict with things

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rseward:

I see Driver "nvidia"

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rseward:

Option "TVOutFormat" "COMPOSITE"

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wagnerrp:

http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Composite

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rseward:

I am not sure this is the composite you are referring to.

[07:32:40]

rseward:

Much better.

[07:32:50]

rseward:

Xorg 35.8%

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rseward:

Sweet!

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rseward:

Can I setup multiple video directories?

[07:36:15]

wagnerrp:

you can add multiple directories to the Videos storage group

[07:38:01]

rseward:

But I can not have multiple video directories for local storage?

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rseward:

Trying a soft link to hack it in. ;-)

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wagnerrp:

colons, or semicolons, i dont remember which

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wagnerrp:

but you shouldnt bother, just use storage groups

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rseward:

Sweet colons is all I need.

[07:42:44]

rseward:

mythtv rocks!

[07:42:49]

wagnerrp:

better than pickled colons

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rseward:

Streaming video over samba is relatively smooth.

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rseward:

Awesome.

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wagnerrp:

streaming videos over storage groups means you dont have to dick around with samba definitions

[07:44:38]

rseward:

I will check out Storage Groups later..

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rseward:

I am trying to setup my mythtv box to replace my DirectTV Tivo.

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rseward:

I am stuck with mythbuntu 10.10 due to my driver issue. Can I upgrade my mythtv version (by compiling) without too much fuss? Or am I better to stick with the mythtv version that comes with my version of mythbuntu?

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wagnerrp:

mythbuntu offers updated mythtv versions for 10.10

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rseward:

apt-get upgrade?

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wagnerrp:

dont know, never used ubuntu

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rseward:

You answered authoratively. So I thought you might know. Are you an "arch" user?

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rseward:

Arch fan?

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wagnerrp:

nope, that wiki was just the first result on google

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rseward:

You are a fast googler then..

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rseward:

;-)

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justinh:

top tip – you do not have to change distro ( necessarily) when you want a newer mythtv

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justinh:

rseward: all the channel residents have the search-fu. that is why you are here :P

[07:50:39]

rseward:

justinh: Any tips on how to upgrade the mythtv version in my mythbuntu install?

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wagnerrp:

something about enabling the mythbuntu ppa

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rseward:

justinh: I google but the noise ratio on mythtv is high.

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justinh:

see the mythbuntu homepage :)

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justinh:

http://mythbuntu.org/repos

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rseward:

So I need to enable the MythTV Updates repo? I not an ubuntu user by nature. I prefer Fedora.. but mythbuntu seemed like a better distro the mythdora.

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justinh:

why not ask in #mythbuntu :)

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justinh:

for an authoritative answer!

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rseward:

I am hacking for a bit.

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Beirdo:

argh

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Beirdo:

so close to a full build, and it was my own stupid change that stopped it :)

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Beirdo:

OK, that's enough for tonight. Bed

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k-man:

anyone tried building mythtv on osx lion?

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k-man:

I seem to get some errors: http://pastie.org/2421324

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justinh:

GAH. frickin backend deadlocked AGAIN

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justinh:

this is every day now. more than once per day

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justinh:

not acceptable

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justinh:

oh, and a failed recording was the cause. and is said failed recording logged?

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justinh:

NO

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justinh:

LBT67C- P2R1-35-Z

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justinh:

oops

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justinh:

what's 2011-08–24 09:42:30.347 TVRec(7): ASK_RECORDING 7 29 0 0 all about then?

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k-man:

justinh, do you use nx?

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justinh:

yeah

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k-man:

is it tricky to configure?

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justinh:

not really

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seeker:

Has anyone encountered stuttering when using upmix to 5.1?

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mycosys:

yeah – for me is was an issue with my soundcard buffer being too small

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mycosys:

apparently common problem

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seeker:

Any known fixes?

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justinh:

yeah. don't upmix :)

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justinh:

you can't get something from nothing

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seeker:

(or, how do you go about increasing the soundcard buffer)

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justinh:

ugh. I need to read a floppy disk

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seeker:

Odds of justinh coming up with a sarcastic remark: 100% :P

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justinh:

not sarcastic. you can't get something from nothing

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justinh:

stereo into 5.1 doesn't go

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justinh:

every damn home cinema DSP I've ever heard only proves that fact :)

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seeker:

Hmm, a lot of freeview is broadcast in pro logic though I think

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justinh:

no, it's just stereo

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justinh:

there's pro logic encoded into that where it's available

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justinh:

hmm. how would one go about reading a floppy in linux?

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seeker:

Does mythtv do anything to prevent the prologic being sent to the output?

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justinh:

at first I wasn't a member of the floppy group.. but now I am.. but I still can't get at it

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justinh:

seeker: no

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justinh:

how can it? prologic is just a surround channel (one) phase encoded onto 2 channels

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seeker:

Hmm, thought my receiver would pick up the prologic – pretty sure it used to

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justinh:

you'd have to kick it into a prologic mode

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seeker:

Heh, apparently the "auto" mode on my receiver is dumb and won't choose prologic

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seeker:

If you set it to "ES surround" it will use prologic when it can, but use full DD if it is available

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seeker:

justinh: Have you tried running the Mysqltuner script from the wiki?

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justinh:

seeker: no. I don't trust stuff like that

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seeker:

"don't trust"?

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justinh:

yeah. do not trust some script to come along & bugger with config files

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justinh:

anyway *what* mysqltuner script?

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justinh:

I can't find any such thing searching on 'mysqltuner' on the wiki

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seeker:

Trying to find it again

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justinh:

http://mysqltuner.pl/

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seeker:

Yeah, that

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seeker:

Doesn't change settings, just gives recommendations

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justinh:

worth a go

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seeker:

Apparently I have 10 fragmented tables, 1150 queries performed without join indexes and a table cache hit rate of 0%

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laga:

what does that tell you?

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seeker:

Need some more reading to work it all out :P

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justinh:

http://pastebin.com/NCQy8Tkn

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justinh:

holy crap! [!!] Joins performed without indexes: 61386806

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justinh:

so how do I find out which tables are fragmented?

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laga:

.. and how many joins were performed with indexes?

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justinh:

it doesn't say

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justinh:

query cache is disabled.. is that even wise?

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justinh:

ok.. now how do I change group membership without logging out?

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seeker:

No idea

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justinh:

can't I just restart something?

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seeker:

And dunno

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justinh:

ahh /etc/rc.d/rc.messagebus restart says google

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justinh:

ha not on *buntu

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justinh:

sigh. I'll just get somebody with a real computer to copy it to my network share

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justinh:

(the floppy)

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seeker:

Apparently my maximum mysql memory usage is far too high too

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seeker:

191% of system RAm

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justinh:

oof

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seeker:

No idea what variables to change though

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justinh:

apparently you can do select TABLE_NAME,Data_free

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justinh:

from information_schema.TABLES

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justinh:

where TABLE_SCHEMA NOT IN ('information_schema','mysql')

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justinh:

and Data_free > 0;

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justinh:

to find fragged tables :)

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justinh:

sorry about the paste. it was all 1 line on my terminal

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seeker:

On my iPhone ATM, will have to look properly later

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justinh:

WOW. Time search takes 1 minute 20 secs

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seeker:

How long should it take?

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seeker:

And what do you mean by time search

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justinh:

manage recordings > search lists > time search

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justinh:

it's a thing I know takes frigging ages on my system

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justinh:

so when I stumble on the magic performance increase thing I'll know when it's better :)

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justinh:

I've never really used it in anger.. til I was theming

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seeker:

:)

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justinh:

pointless feature, if you ask me..

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seeker:

Hmm, my sort_buffer_size is 48M

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justinh:

mine's 512k

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justinh:

heh apparently you can change stuff while it's running

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seeker:

Default value on my machine seems to be 2M

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iamlindoro:

Heh: CableCARD: message: Emergency message on TV – tune to channel 997

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iamlindoro:

Isn't that a great reason *not* to tune to channel 997?

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seeker:

Any idea what the maximum number of tables in a join in mythtv is?

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tank-man:

you mean in mysql?

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seeker:

I mean the largest number in a query executed by mysql

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seeker:

That is called from inside mythtv

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tank-man:

i did a simple internet search and found this link that might be useful http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/joins-limits.html

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tank-man:

that page says 61

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seeker:

Not the theoretical limit

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seeker:

Mythtv runs queries on the mysql database

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justinh:

mythtv is pretty small beans in mysql terms though

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seeker:

Some of these querys use joins

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justinh:

you should see the big scheduler one though.. heh

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seeker:

Of the set of querys that actually exist and are executed by mythtv, what is the largest number of joins used

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justinh:

that'd likely be the scheduler one. biggest query I've ever seen

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seeker:

Because the table cache should apparently be number of connections * max number of tables accessed in 1 query

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seeker:

justinh: Change your table_cache to 256 and see if things speed up

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seeker:

256 gives me a 24% cache hit in 7m after restarting mysql

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seeker:

Will leave it running for 24 hours and see what it is like

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justinh:

see line 3649 of scheduler.cpp. Don't have nightmares

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justinh:

https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/blob/master/ . . . cheduler.cpp

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justinh:

not sure that's the biggest query in the bag, mind

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Seeker`:

justinh: actually, the interesting one might be the time search

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justinh:

increasing the cache didn't improve anything

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justinh:

I HATE mysql

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justinh:

changing syntaxes every 5 minutes. bad as ffmpeg

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justinh:

oh, we decided to rename the variables you've been using since the last release because we're T**TS

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justinh:

table_cache is now table_open_cache

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Seeker`:

justinh: did increasing rhe cache size make the tuning stop complaining about the table cache?

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justinh:

no

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justinh:

mind, I used SET GLOBAL to do it without restarting or changing the CNF

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seeker:

Ah

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justinh:

I hate .CNF files

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seeker:

Will have to give it a while to show up on the tuner then

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justinh:

did it ages ago. still 0% cache hit

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seeker:

"ages"?

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justinh:

more than 10 mins ago

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seeker:

You've got 20 days uptime on the DB?

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seeker:

(which is 28800 minutes)

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justinh:

probably

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justinh:

I restarted it the other week

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seeker:

Even if you had 100% hits for the last 10 mins, it would be about 0.03%

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justinh:

god, why don't these assholes make their config files plain english?!

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justinh:

--enable-some-stupid-option-at-runtime-by-naming-them-massively-long-strings-del imited-with-dashes

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justinh:

C***S

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justinh:

and er.. am I even using my.cnf or is it any of the other .cnf files in /etc/mysql?

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justinh:

WTH is this /etc/mysql/conf.d/mythtv.cnf ?!

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justinh:

the sooner I stop using these RETARDED packages...

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seeker:

strace mysqld 2>&1 | grep .CBC

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seeker:

*cnf

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seeker:

Damn autocorrect

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justinh:

/usr/etc/my.cnf? !??!?!?!?!?! W T F

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justinh:

/home/justin/.my.cnf ?!?!?!?!? :-O

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justinh:

oh wait.. it was *looking* for those

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justinh:

so it's using /etc/mysql/my.cnf – phew

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justinh:

wha? why don'

[14:44:01]

justinh:

why don't I have any /var/log/mysql files recently updated?

[14:44:28]

justinh:

and in /var/lib/mysql there are ib_logfile0 & ib_logfile1 .. binary log files.

[14:44:39]

justinh:

but I thought I had binlogging disabled

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justinh:

seeker: anyway, time search is 2 left joins

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seeker:

Ah, not that then

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seeker:

What is your join_buffer_size?

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justinh:

I dunno

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Seeker`:

is there any effort put in to looking at database inidcies atm?

[15:18:15]

justinh:

not really AFAIK

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seeker:

Has there ever been?

[15:19:24]

justinh:

nope

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justinh:

in theory it should all be well :)

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laga:

well, lots of time has been spent optimizing DB access AFAIR

[15:19:56]

justinh:

apparently somebody looked into making a thing to check once upon a time

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justinh:

gah I need to go home

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seeker:

Hmm, worst query examines 14k rows

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justinh:

seeker: doesnt sound too bad

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justinh:

I wont have time to look at this til later

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justinh:

walking my dog at the mo

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fbnts:

Hi, is there a way to blacklist certain channels/frequencies from a DVB-T channel scan?

[18:23:02]

dekarl:

Why would you want to do that?

[18:23:15]

wagnerrp:

yes, let them scan, mark them as not visible

[18:23:42]

wagnerrp:

mythtv will know not to show them, and will continue to not show them through subsequent scans

[18:23:45]

fbnts:

We have just had digital swithover in my area today and my aerial is now picking up signals from 2 trasmitters

[18:24:01]

wagnerrp:

as in, the same station from two transmitters?

[18:24:07]

dekarl:

I can think of some scenarios where you might want to do such. like having the same transport stream on multiple frequencies

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fbnts:

I have managed to create a channels.conf file for all the channels on the right frequencies but EIT isnt working

[18:24:32]

wagnerrp:

that is correct

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fbnts:

wagnerrp: yep, one mux is coming in on two different frequencies but one is unusable/unwatchable but thats the one that a full channel scan is inserting

[18:25:25]

dekarl:

wagnerrp: the highest I've seen is 4 times the same transport with wildly varying levels of signal quality (meaning whatever frequency gets scanned last ends up in the database for that mux)

[18:26:27]

fbnts:

Its never been a problem before today as the local repeater wasn't broadcasting digital

[18:26:28]

dekarl:

fbnts: I think the simplest workaround is editing the transport in the setup

[18:26:46]

wagnerrp:

you're saying mythtv thinks its a duplicate channels, and overwrites the previous, even though its on a different frequency?

[18:26:56]

wagnerrp:

funky

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dekarl:

a duplicate transport, yes... onid:tsid are the same and the active NIT doesn't help either...

[18:27:20]

wagnerrp:

fbnts: in any case, if you use a channels.conf, you wont get any EIT data

[18:27:26]

fbnts:

not exactly, its finding around 100 channels then finds another x amount that are conflicting

[18:27:53]

wagnerrp:

perhaps it would be better to pre-tune the tuner to a frequency

[18:28:00]

wagnerrp:

and then tell it to scan an existing transport?

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dekarl:

scan normally, ignore the conflicting channels, the go to the transport setup and change the frequency... (I'll see if that's it)

[18:29:31]

fbnts:

In my backend setup its show 5 entries for transports, they are now the correct frequencies. If I delete all channels and then use the scan but only scan existing transports it won't look at the other frequencies would it?

[18:29:47]

dekarl:

sounds good

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fbnts:

but looking in my dtv_mutliplex table they all have the networkid field set to NULL, will the scan set them correctly?

[18:30:40]

dekarl:

don't enable "search new transponders" obviously ;)

[18:31:09]

dekarl:

networkdid is for manual override in broken DVB-C networks.

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fbnts:

ah ok, I was looking at http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/EIT

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dekarl:

don't look to closely. You'll get what you need with defaults usually

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fbnts:

well its just done the scan. It found 100 off air channels and then found 100 new channels. Just gonna test now

[18:33:55]

dekarl:

this wiki page is a mashup of lots of different issues, please ignore it unless the defaults don't work out

[18:33:57]

fbnts:

how long will it take for the EIT to update the EPG?

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wagnerrp:

five minutes after your tuner goes idle

[18:34:48]

dekarl:

I usually look at the guide in mythweb until it starts populating

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fbnts:

ah ok, well liveTV is working on the problem channels so I have just quit out of livetv to let it go idle.

[18:35:54]

dekarl:

does the guide contain something for the channels you've been surfing on? (passive scan might have already added something)

[18:36:04]

fbnts:

Yep, i'm using MythWeb as well. Most channels were listing the EPG. It appears it was only channels on one mux (Group 1) that were saying no data

[18:36:42]

fbnts:

nope, if I view livetv and select channel 1 (BBC 1) it shows no EPG

[18:37:22]

fbnts:

I presume if I have a dual tuner card, it will use either tuner when idle?

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dekarl:

it will use all tuners that have "use for active eit scan" enabled

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wagnerrp:

fbnts: also note as mentioned, the stuff you populated using the channels.conf file will not poll EIT

[18:38:12]

wagnerrp:

they must be removed, and rescanned using the internal scanner

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fbnts:

ah, so I will have to do a full scan? or just delete channels and scan known transports?

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wagnerrp:

the latter might work, i dont know

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fbnts:

thats what I have just done, just waiting for the 5mins idle

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fbnts:

if that fails, is there a way to tell the full scan to ignore certain channels/frequencies?

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wagnerrp:

to be honest, EIT is one of those things no active developer actually uses

[18:41:04]

wagnerrp:

NA devs use schedules direct, british devs use radiotimes, australian devs use shephard

[18:41:22]

wagnerrp:

janne might have used it, but hes not around any longer

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wagnerrp:

kenni might use it, but he just does translation, he doesnt dig into the code

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fbnts:

yeah, I was gonna use a different source but the benefit of EIT is that if theres a last minute schedule change its often reflected

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wagnerrp:

i dont know what mark used previously, but hes going to be transitioning back to radiotimes likely

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wagnerrp:

well, sometimes it is, sometimes it isnt

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dekarl:

fbnts: the downside is that the data quality is... interesting ;)

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wagnerrp:

and thats assuming the scheduler is actually set up to handle in-flight changes like that

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wagnerrp:

i dont really now

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fbnts:

ah ok, I think now would be the time to switch, it still doesn't appear to be working and I don't want to do a full scan again because it will pick up those two other bad channels

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heynnema:

Hello everybody! Anybody familiar with HDHomeRun? I have a problem/question about mythtv-backend an this device. Thanks!

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heynnema:

anybody?

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justinh:

hello. I am very impatient and want an answer to my very vague question immediately!

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Seeker`:

justinh: can't be that urgent

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Seeker`:

people who need urgent help would have left the hcannel by now

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justinh:

so back to the mysql stuff

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justinh:

arghh it's not logging a single thing

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justinh:

ahh mysql: unknown variable 'log-slow-queries=/var/log/mysql/slow.log'

[19:18:58]

heynnema1:

Hello! Anybody familiar with HDHomeRun? I have a question/problem about mythtv-backend and this tuner. Thanks!

[19:19:08]

justinh:

heynnema1: just ask the question

[19:19:15]

heynnema1:

ok...

[19:20:41]

heynnema1:

after watching live tv with mythtv, and I quit mythtv, both hdhomerun tuners show as active (both tuner leds are on), and the network is still flooded with udp packets. If I stop mythtv-backend, then the tuner lights go out, and the udp packets stop. Any ideas how to disable the tuners when I stop watching live tv?

[19:21:07]

justinh:

stopping live tv should be stopping the recording process

[19:21:22]

justinh:

so you need to find out why recording is continuing

[19:21:35]

justinh:

(because even livetv is a recording)

[19:21:50]

heynnema1:

I don't think that I was recording anything, unless it just does that during a live tv session.

[19:21:52]

heynnema1:

ah

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justinh:

if you exit livetv properly rather than kill it, say...

[19:22:03]

justinh:

that *should* do it

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Seeker`:

justinh: there is an option which will log uninidexed queries too

[19:22:19]

Seeker`:

to the same file

[19:22:20]

justinh:

but if it isn't doing it, something is quite wrong

[19:22:42]

justinh:

Seeker`: I can't get it to do it anyway. they changed the bloody syntax or something. GRRRR

[19:23:06]

heynnema1:

I believe that I was exiting live tv via the mythtv menus, and stopping mythtv the same way. I was only stopping the backend manually to get the tuners to shutdown.

[19:23:07]

iamlindoro:

heynnema1: You have EIT turned on

[19:23:18]

iamlindoro:

It's using the tuners to try to get programming data, because you've configured it to do so

[19:23:32]

iamlindoro:

If you're using Schedules Direct (as you definitely should be), you should turn EIT off

[19:23:38]

iamlindoro:

(in mythtv-setup)

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heynnema1:

ah! the EIT... I do recall seeing something like that...

[19:23:45]

heynnema1:

what is that?

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justinh:

arghh they changed it alright. now it's slow_query_log

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Seeker`:

log_slow_queries = /var/log/mysql/mysql-slow.log

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iamlindoro:

heynnema1: What country are you in?

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likwid--_:

heynnema1: over the air programming guides

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heynnema1:

usa

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Seeker`:

it is underscores in the config file

[19:24:12]

justinh:

WHY do so many open source projects change stuff like this at the drop of a hat?

[19:24:14]

iamlindoro:

heynnema1: Then you should be using schedules direct for your guide data

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heynnema1:

ok thanks ... I'll try turning off the eit!

[19:24:38]

iamlindoro:

as EIT is more or less useless in the USA (doesn't cover most channels, sometimes doesn't exist at all, and when it does, it can be for as little as an hour or two)

[19:24:46]

justinh:

it's not a different thing, it's just the same.. but called the same words in a different order. they're a PITA

[19:25:15]

heynnema1:

bye for now... off to turn off the EIT!

[19:25:17]

heynnema1:

thanks!

[19:25:25]

iamlindoro:

np

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EvilGuru:

Bah, no where seems to have the PCTV 290e in stock

[19:26:11]

EvilGuru:

and the prices range from £60 – £100

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justinh:

Seeker`: nah I can't get it to recognise the line in my.cnf whatever I try

[19:28:21]

justinh:

it just barts out unrecognised variable when I try to log into mysql after setting it in my.cnf

[19:28:41]

justinh:

I could always try setting a global in the server via commandline..

[19:30:29]

justinh:

set global slow_query_log=1; set global slow_query_log_file="/var/log/mysql/slow.log"; yay

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justinh:

and now it logs!

[19:31:07]

justinh:

wonder why it's not working in the .cnf

[19:34:31]

justinh:

hmmm log-queries-not-using-indexes isn't settable using a global. the gits

[19:34:38]

justinh:

I'm not restarting mysql now

[19:36:04]

justinh:

oh I see now.. seems if there are underscores in the varible name, use underscores to set em in the commandline (when you log into the server rooty) and it's dashes in the .cnf

[19:36:45]

justinh:

the wisdom of the mysql developers is er... questionable IMHO

[19:36:58]

justinh:

hey ho. live with it

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justinh:

set global log_queries_not_using_indexes=1; invoked successfully. see what pops out eh

[19:39:01]

justinh:

WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT?

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justinh:

this has come up in the slow query log:

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justinh:

SELECT chanid, useonairguide, channel.sourceid FROM channel, dtv_multiplex WHERE serviceid = 26688 AND networkid = 9018 AND transportid = 24640 AND channel.mplexid = dtv_multiplex.mplexid;

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EvilGuru:

justinh: High load?

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justinh:

nope

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Seeker`:

justinh: the queries without indexes appear in the same log file

[19:40:34]

justinh:

ah

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justinh:

but shouldn't the dtv_multiplex & channel tables have indexes?

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Seeker`:

dunno, struggling to do stuff on the fly

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Seeker`:

as I have no idea what my root mysql password is. I didn't set one.

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EvilGuru:

They are probably too small to really benefit

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Seeker`:

justinh: put "Explain" before that query

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justinh:

Seeker`: what am I looking for there?

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justinh:

key == index?

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Seeker`:

there is a column which tells you how many rows are returned

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justinh:

47 rows

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Seeker`:

and the size of the table is creates as a rsult of joins is the product of those rows

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justinh:

so 47 x 6

[19:46:17]

Seeker`:

yeah

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justinh:

where are you going with this?

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justinh:

I've turned off the without indexes bit again for now.. let's try a time search again.. feeling brave

[19:50:07]

justinh:

ahh there we go. slow

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justinh:

Seeker`: well, the time query would be 4 x 456

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justinh:

and a scheduler query.. shudder to think

[19:52:59]

Seeker`:

justinh: I don't have a feel for how many rows constitutes a big query though

[19:53:24]

Seeker`:

but that explain thing is how you get an indicator of how bad the lack of indexing is apparently

[19:53:29]

justinh:

well look at how big the fields are

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justinh:

program.description for example

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Seeker`:

I'm not sure what factors affect performance the most tohugh

[19:54:16]

justinh:

hang on a limit of 200 thousand? that not a bit high?

[19:54:27]

Seeker`:

200000 what?

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justinh:

the lack of caching is bound to be one

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justinh:

LIMIT 20000; at the end of the time query

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Seeker`:

thats 20,000

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justinh:

well still

[19:55:08]

justinh:

20 thousand results?

[19:55:19]

Enverex:

Hrm, I'm using a quad core i5 and an nVidia GT430 but MythTV really runs like a dog. Nasty delays all the time for quite a while, it also seems to crash quite often (just closes). Any usual causes?

[19:55:31]

justinh:

I might get bored after scrolling through the first 500

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justinh:

Enverex: running the OS from s USB stick? ;-)

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AndyCap:

Enverex: using the nvidia drivers? :P

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Enverex:

justinh, No, heh. Although I have just ordered an SSD for it (currently using one of the two 2TB WD drives as the OS drive)

[19:56:35]

Enverex:

AndyCap, Yes

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justinh:

Seeker`: well apparently not even a scheduler query is coming up in the slow log

[19:58:14]

justinh:

is there a list of what mythtv considers sane operating parameters anywhere?

[19:58:38]

justinh:

or is it just that the defaults for so long have 'just worked' & nobody really paid much attention?

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Seeker`:

no idea

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AndyCap:

justinh: welcome to the cargo cult, the planes land over there

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justinh:

cargo cult?

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justinh:

we need to get a handle on why backends are apparently randomly deadlocking & recordings are failing. if it's a simple thing like mysql badness let's nail it

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AndyCap:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cargo_cult

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AndyCap:

"Cargo cult programming is a style of computer programming that is characterized by the ritual inclusion of code or program structures that serve no real purpose."

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justinh:

ahh

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justinh:

regarding the mysql rants.. I see now

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justinh:

just for fun, when I get commit access again I'll change the names of all the mythui statetypes :D

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NickHu:

Hey guys, when I try to change the myth storage dirs in mythtv-setup it locks up and freezes

[20:04:37]

NickHu:

Wat do?

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Enverex:

I've noticed that Myth keeps hammering the HD a lot too, does it continually do timeshift or only if you've paused?

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justinh:

where's sphery when we need him?

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justinh:

Enverex: live tv is a recording

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Enverex:

justinh, Really? Can I set it to use RAM or something rather than disk? (depending on the amount it's likely to be using)

[20:05:56]

justinh:

no

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Seeker`:

should I be able to scan for channels if i use ssh -X to connect to my backend? Got "cannot open channel" when I try

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justinh:

you want to have PVR features, you need the PVR to record all the time

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justinh:

Seeker`: cannot open channel? I just use freenx. before that I VNC'd

[20:07:04]

NickHu:

Driver error was [2/1205]:

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NickHu:

QMYSQL3: Unable to execute statement

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NickHu:

Database error was:

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NickHu:

Lock wait timeout exceeded; try restarting transaction

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NickHu:

:(

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justinh:

NickHu: more than 2 lines, use pastebin.com

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Enverex:

justinh, But I don't want PVR features, I just want to watch live TV, not record it

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NickHu:

Pfft, it's only 4

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justinh:

NickHu: channel rules

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NickHu:

Enverex: Mythtv is *not for you*

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justinh:

Enverex: so go use something else then :)

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EvilGuru:

Enverex: So, VLC!

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Enverex:

So just because I don't want/need the recording feature of MythTV, I shouldn't use it?

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NickHu:

justinh: What do you mean?

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Seeker`:

Enverex: the point of mythtv is the recording feature

[20:08:24]

Enverex:

EvilGuru, Does VLC have a friendly interface to the EPG?

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NickHu:

Enverex: Would you buy a sportscar and drive it at 20mph?

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EvilGuru:

Enverex: Unsure there

[20:09:01]

Enverex:

NickHu, That's an awful and completely ineffectual anology

[20:09:06]

Seeker`:

justinh: ah, apparently you cget "Could not open channel" when the backend didn't shut down cleanly

[20:09:09]

Enverex:

analogy even

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NickHu:

Enverex: http://tvtime.sourceforge.net/

[20:09:37]

NickHu:

Also, you're a faggot

[20:09:43]

NickHu:

It's a perfectly good analogy

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justinh:

oi. be nice

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NickHu:

Meh

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Enverex:

Douche. I came in here with a perfectly valid question

[20:10:42]

NickHu:

Do you not get tired of the arrogant stuck up autistic retards on freenode justinh?

[20:10:55]

justinh:

NickHu: I'm already tired of them

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NickHu:

Enverex: And the perfectly valid answer was use something else

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justinh:

NickHu: and funnily enough the person I'm seeing being one isn't Enverex

[20:11:20]

NickHu:

Touche

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EvilGuru:

Isn't tvtime outdated as heck?

[20:11:48]

justinh:

heh. From Douche to Touche in 5 lines

[20:12:06]

NickHu:

EvilGuru: It does what he wants it to

[20:12:30]

NickHu:

I'm pretty sure wget hasn't been updated in A MILLION YEARS, but I still use it

[20:12:38]

EvilGuru:

NickHu: You

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NickHu:

..?

[20:12:46]

EvilGuru:

*'re kidding, right, wget is updated quite often

[20:12:51]

Enverex:

Anyway, considering I like everything else in MythTV and may want to use the record feature in future, I'd rather not move away, it's just I won't ever use the timeshift feature, so having Myth constantly hammer the HD seems like a lot of wasted power.

[20:12:58]

Enverex:

That said, I'll look into TVTime as well

[20:13:07]

EvilGuru:

for example there is still an outstanding bug regarding SSL certs and IPv6 support is sometimes awry

[20:13:10]

justinh:

Enverex: it's hardly wasted power

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AndyCap:

Enverex: unfortunately that is by design.

[20:13:31]

justinh:

you could just do what most of us here do & never use live tv :)

[20:13:41]

AndyCap:

Enverex: but one learns to live with it. :P

[20:13:44]

justinh:

stop being a slace to the schedules

[20:13:50]

justinh:

*slave, even

[20:13:57]

Enverex:

AndyCap, That's a shame, I thought there would be an option somewhere to just switch it off.

[20:14:02]

EvilGuru:

Enverex: Would be silly

[20:14:19]

EvilGuru:

what if you want pause or rewind live tv?

[20:14:26]

EvilGuru:

if it is file backed then everything just works

[20:14:32]

Enverex:

justinh, I have libraries of media if I want to watch something specific. I have the TV card if I'm feeling random or just want to browse something new (or listen to the radio)

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justinh:

Enverex: mythtv doesn't do FM radio btw

[20:14:55]

Enverex:

justdave, DVB-T Digital Radio

[20:15:00]

Enverex:

I'm listening to it right now

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Enverex:

(through Myth)

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justinh:

I was saying it doesn't do FM radio. You said radio.. I assumed you weren't in DVB-T land

[20:15:31]

Enverex:

No no :)

[20:15:33]

NickHu:

Enverex: You can set myth to never go over a certain amount of space; what difference does it make if your harddrive is near-empty or only a little full?

[20:15:54]

EvilGuru:

and live tv deletes itself after a day or so

[20:16:00]

NickHu:

Exactly

[20:16:07]

Enverex:

NickHu, The fact it's almost always reading and writing

[20:16:21]

justinh:

Enverex: only as long as it's in livetv mode or recording

[20:16:24]

NickHu:

Enverex: Are you using a SSD?

[20:16:29]

justinh:

so don't leave it in that state :)

[20:16:31]

Enverex:

NickHu, I will be as of tomorrow

[20:16:45]

NickHu:

Then mount ram to /tmp and set the livetv dir to /tmp

[20:16:48]

NickHu:

Problem solved

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stuartm:

guys I'd give up, sometimes even logic cannot win an argument

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Enverex:

Hrm, I know what I could do. Set the location Myth uses for its live cache as a RAM disk and do that

[20:17:26]

Enverex:

NickHu, I've done that for /tmp and /var/log on my netbook with SSD so could just apply the same logic

[20:17:33]

justinh:

stuartm: it doesn't ever work at work... ;-)

[20:17:42]

justinh:

stupid product managers..

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NickHu:

Enverex: Then why don't you just do it..

[20:18:13]

EvilGuru:

justinh: I'd be worried if the product managers were not stupid

[20:18:14]

Enverex:

NickHu, Because you only just reminded me of the idea! lol

[20:18:19]

EvilGuru:

would imply something was wrong at the company

[20:18:24]

justinh:

EvilGuru: heh

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stuartm:

nevermind the fact that almost every application (and the kernel) is reading/writing all the time, logfiles;configs;temp files for recovery in case of interruption etc

[20:19:21]

justinh:

so this mysql stuff then... is there such a thing as a known sane mysql config for a mythtv system?

[20:19:35]

NickHu:

And that any modern SSD would last until the end of time anyway

[20:19:51]

justinh:

got a default going on thanks to sphery but... according to mysqltune.pl it's far from optimal

[20:19:54]

AndyCap:

Enverex: anyhow, to solve your problem you'd need some way to let the data flow from ram to disk if you stick with a program for more than a couple of minutes

[20:20:12]

stuartm:

NickHu: well certainly to the point where pretty much anyone would be wanting to get something bigger

[20:20:55]

justinh:

most flash is only given to be spec'd for about 10 years' worth of reading

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stuartm:

in something like a netbook, the SSD will outlive the rest of the hardware (battery will fail first, probably after 18 months – 2 years and won't be worth replacing)

[20:21:15]

NickHu:

AndyCap: I bet to differ, I have a huge surplus of ram and I can dump loads of junk into it

[20:21:19]

Enverex:

AndyCap, Doesn't it obey the 1GB (by default) limit set in the config? Or does it just keep going?

[20:21:56]

justinh:

AFAIK the weighing of free space between SGs won't quite work like you think

[20:22:26]

NickHu:

Found my problem by the way; mysqld breaks when the disk is full

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stuartm:

NickHu: heh, yeah

[20:22:43]

AndyCap:

no idea, would myth actually stop and switch to another storage group if one runs out during a show?

[20:22:58]

NickHu:

I doubt it

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stuartm:

mid-program, no

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stuartm:

programme

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NickHu:

It would just cut off no?

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justinh:

NickHu: happened to me once. was glad I had a good backup of the whole db. it was totally broken

[20:23:23]

NickHu:

And print a huge ER-RAR

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stuartm:

it would stop and boot you back to menu

[20:23:41]

NickHu:

justinh: I just free'd some space and restarted the daemon :)

[20:23:58]

justinh:

mysql in ram? oh dear. so much wrongness

[20:24:34]

NickHu:

Hopefully having my storage dir on a non-ntfs partition should hopefully fix my out of frequency crap :D

[20:24:56]

justinh:

oh dear $deity

[20:25:50]

NickHu:

Crysis 2 any good? I'm downloading it and starting to wonder why

[20:27:05]

justinh:

presumably you paid for it.. so good luck getting a refund

[20:27:07]

wagnerrp:

hehe... whoops

[20:27:28]

wagnerrp:

banned a bit too soon on the wiki

[20:28:03]

NickHu:

justinh: Er.. yes... "paid" of course

[20:28:23]

NickHu:

Besides, we all know that's not how refunds work in the UK

[20:28:27]

wagnerrp:

perhaps you should have checked review sites before buying

[20:28:34]

NickHu:

You can take it back for any reason your imagination chooses

[20:28:43]

wagnerrp:

game download services dont accept refunds

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NickHu:

"Er, yeah, turns out my cousin already had this one.. haha"

[20:28:52]

wagnerrp:

nor do they allow resale

[20:29:00]

NickHu:

wagnerrp: Did you miss the quote marks?

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Enverex:

Hrm, set the default storage to /tmp which is a RAM drive, but HD still gets thrashed when I start LiveTV and every few seconds thereafter. Is it set somewhere else too?

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wagnerrp:

stuartm: youre more senior on the wiki, opinions on the latest page from phil rosenberg?

[20:30:11]

NickHu:

Anyone have a rough idea of HD tv space usage? Gb/hour?

[20:30:32]

NickHu:

Enverex: Databases

[20:30:33]

Enverex:

NickHu, 800MB cartoons, 1.2GB complex, generall

[20:30:36]

Enverex:

*generally

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NickHu:

You can get HD cartoons?

[20:30:56]

Enverex:

NickHu, Really? Ah, it's the EPG it's pulling up isn't it.

[20:31:07]

NickHu:

Most likely

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NickHu:

Myth's always writing to the database

[20:31:19]

wagnerrp:

personally, ive always hated the term 'WAF', as if the individual themselves has no care for nice things

[20:31:20]

Enverex:

NickHu, Family Guy, Cleveland Show, Futurama all started broadcasting in HD the last few seasons

[20:31:29]

NickHu:

wagnerrp: WAF?

[20:31:37]

Enverex:

NickHu, But it wouldn't keep heavily reading or writing every few seconds would it?

[20:31:45]

wagnerrp:

but 'make your wife love mythtv', 'wives and girlfriends'... it just doesnt sit well with me

[20:31:48]

NickHu:

Enverex: What, they're gonna add more nothing to cartoons?

[20:31:56]

sphery:

HD or just widescreen... I mean, they don't seem to have more definition

[20:32:01]

wagnerrp:

so much so that on cursory glance, i thought it was spam and banned his account

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** sphery wonders if Seth MacFarlane and Matt Groenig are really making those poor animators draw that many extra dots **

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NickHu:

Satellites point to specific regions right? So I couldn't tune into this UK facing satellite from the US right?

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AndyCap:

NickHu: the earth gets in the way

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wagnerrp:

with a big enough dish, sure you could

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NickHu:

Hot damn D:

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NickHu:

Notice how all those cartoons have gotten crappy since they went HD?

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wagnerrp:

AndyCap: nah, those things are all out in geosynchronous

[20:34:02]

NickHu:

*cough* futurama*cough*

[20:34:08]

wagnerrp:

were not so far over the horizon as to block access to them

[20:34:28]

stuartm:

wagnerrp: the title might need work, but so far as the content goes it's ok I guess – he needs to fix the dozens of typos

[20:34:29]

NickHu:

AndyCap: Wait, hang on, the earth rotates..

[20:34:32]

wagnerrp:

but that 'big enough dish' would be something you could use for radio astronomy

[20:34:48]

AndyCap:

NickHu: that would be why the satellites are in geosynchronus orbit

[20:34:55]

NickHu:

wagnerrp: Couldn't you forward the satellite signal?

[20:34:58]

Enverex:

Apparently TV-Time is only for analog inputs, it's no use for DVB-T

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AndyCap:

Enverex: correct

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Enverex:

...

[20:35:23]

AndyCap:

Enverex: it only does framegrabbers.

[20:35:35]

NickHu:

Enverex: You're making mountains out of molehills, writing loads to a SSD doesn't mean anything to anyone anymore

[20:35:37]

AndyCap:

which isn't exactly recommended for mythtv

[20:35:40]

NickHu:

And AFAIK you can reset them

[20:35:40]

Enverex:

Well thanks to whoever suggested I use that

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stuartm:

wagnerrp: I'd probably consider it to be more of a blog article than a wiki page, so maybe we need to consider whether it should be categorised as such on the wiki or moved to a {user}/Page

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NickHu:

stuartm: What page are we talkin'?

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Enverex:

NickHu, Writing 7GB a day to a 20nm based SSD will make the drive die after roughly 3 years, assuming the drive isn't too full. I can see TV chewing through that quite a bit faster

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stuartm:

NickHu: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Wives_and_Girlfriends

[20:36:51]

NickHu:

That's a real article?! HAHAHA

[20:36:52]

wagnerrp:

Enverex: why are you even talking about recording to ramdisks and SSDs?

[20:37:09]

NickHu:

wagnerrp: Because he's anal about using mythtv with his cheap SSD

[20:37:18]

wagnerrp:

NickHu: yes, and based off title alone, i initially deleted the article and banned the user

[20:37:44]

NickHu:

"aroiund" Smooth

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stuartm:

NickHu: there are lots more like that

[20:37:55]

justinh:

wow blue abstract totally sucked til I replaced the background

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AndyCap:

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NickHu:

tweeking

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Enverex:

NickHu, Not a cheap SSD

[20:38:59]

NickHu:

"watch the episode of eastenders" That in itself is a huge mistake

[20:38:59]

wagnerrp:

AndyCap: well thats because its all the way over at 28E

[20:39:18]

AndyCap:

wagnerrp: which is where british tv lives.

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stuartm:

wagnerrp: it has to be said there is some sane/useful info in there and not everyone has a blog to post that stuff to, but it might not be a bad idea if we asked him to make it a user page to set it apart from the official stuff

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wagnerrp:

AndyCap: i mean, as opposed to western europe which is around 0, considering the meridian runs right through it

[20:40:06]

NickHu:

Enverex: Then if you have so much money to splash out on a SSD buy a cheap old-fasioned drive and put your mythcrap on there

[20:40:14]

AndyCap:

wagnerrp: now, why it's there and not at 0 I dunno, maybe there's some advantage to shining the "light" at an angle

[20:40:22]

stuartm:

right through London, Greenwich to be precise

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Enverex:

NickHu, Are you capable of forming a sentence that doesn't contain an insult in some way?

[20:40:48]

stuartm:

hence why it's called Greenwich Mean Time and not the French inspired UTC crap

[20:40:56]

Enverex:

NickHu, And FYI, I have other drives in here, but Myth seems to be chewing away at them too slowly

[20:41:00]

wagnerrp:

:)

[20:41:18]

AndyCap:

stuartm: would you prefer CUT instead of UTC? :P

[20:41:28]

wagnerrp:

stuartm: anyway, i dont mind the concept of the page, nicening up your mythtv system

[20:41:44]

NickHu:

Haha, it took him 2 weeks to learn how to recompile a kernel? xD

[20:41:49]

wagnerrp:

i just dont like the whole, 'nicening it up for wife/girlfriend' aspect

[20:41:51]

justinh:

"the wife button" ? LOL

[20:42:00]

NickHu:

I think you should rename the article "humor for nerds"

[20:42:14]

justinh:

he's an ace themer too. I mean he GIMP'd a whole series of images.

[20:42:41]

sphery:

but contributing has to start somewhere...

[20:42:50]

stuartm:

justinh: I don't think "wife button" means what you think it means ;)

[20:42:53]

NickHu:

Yeah, blogspot

[20:43:05]

sphery:

and I'll take a motivated beginner over a burned out "expert" any day :)

[20:43:13]

stuartm:

sphery: aye

[20:43:21]

justinh:

stuartm: no, I mean his system needs a button to restart the frontend? WTH?

[20:43:24]

AndyCap:

stuartm: are we still talking about mythtv?

[20:43:43]

** sphery tries to catch up with the tons of progress stuartm and danielk have been making at warnings squashing **

[20:43:52]

stuartm:

AndyCap: I am, but I don't know where your mind is going :)

[20:43:53]

sphery:

thanks for doing that, btw

[20:44:23]

wagnerrp:

there is no catching up, theyre both a couple thousand commits out in front, and opening up

[20:44:45]

wagnerrp:

stuartm: typos, like misspelling 'center'?

[20:44:47]

stuartm:

justinh: sadly I'd take it as evidence that we've still not squashed all the deadlocks

[20:44:54]

NickHu:

"Brownie point"..? Is that a euphomism for crapping my pants?

[20:46:06]

justinh:

stuartm: yeah but point being, not reporting stuff & just working around it? Pff

[20:46:56]

NickHu:

"helpfull"

[20:47:00]

NickHu:

Hmm

[20:47:10]

NickHu:

I have faith in the education system

[20:47:25]

stuartm:

NickHu: the junior version of the Girl Guides are called Brownies (more a nickname because they dress in brown), they get 'points' for doing good deeds for other people, so a 'brownie point' is earning good will from someone by doing something they approve of

[20:48:23]

NickHu:

I know what it means :P I just don't expect to see references to "gay club", as my friends used to affectionately refer to it as, in a mythtv wiki :P

[20:48:31]

stuartm:

wagnerrp: no, I think he got centre spelt right ;)

[20:49:17]

wagnerrp:

the wiki is in english, not olde english... :P

[20:49:22]

justinh:

oh great. now you're using 'gay' as a derogatory term. real mature

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stuartm:

NickHu: sorry, this being an international IRC channel I frequently find myself explaining colloquialisms ;)

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wagnerrp:

justinh: well you know, he just hates happy people

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stuartm:

wagnerrp: there's a clue there, 'English', as spoken by the peoples' of England ;)

[20:50:48]

NickHu:

spelled

[20:50:51]

NickHu:

justinh: I'm not

[20:50:53]

NickHu:

This is true...

[20:50:56]

NickHu:

Most people on irc are angsty and irritable to be fair

[20:51:19]

NickHu:

Are spelt and earnt americanismisms?

[20:51:34]

wagnerrp:

only because people come in and ask if the game they just stole is any good

[20:51:41]

NickHu:

They're not British words, well, spelt is but means something completely different

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stuartm:

http://www.grammarist.com/spelling/spelled-spelt/

[20:52:19]

stuartm:

NickHu: other way around Spelt is British English

[20:52:34]

NickHu:

Hmm

[20:52:48]

NickHu:

I always thought the correct usage was spelled

[20:52:58]

stuartm:

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=2 . . . 05542AAsFdKL

[20:53:24]

NickHu:

It's just confusing and pointless.. Why do Americans have to be different and make tiny, but significantly annoying, changes to the language..

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stuartm:

just for confirmation I consulted my OED which says both spelt and spelled are valid

[20:54:38]

wagnerrp:

its just confusing and pointless... why do british have to use non-phonetic spellings for words

[20:55:03]

wagnerrp:

a 'cent-re' is someone who stands guard

[20:55:30]

NickHu:

Sentry

[20:55:31]

wagnerrp:

and 'colour' sounds like something you would mix with 'liquor'

[20:55:41]

NickHu:

And the British version is the original version

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stuartm:

wagnerrp: maybe you have a point, the language needed to be made simpler so that those in the US could understand it

[20:56:22]

NickHu:

color sounds like it should be pronounced colar

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NewBuntu81:

wow...it was like this training course I had 2 weeks ago. By the last day, I wondered if the teacher had managed to offend everyone. lol.

[20:56:47]

NickHu:

Teachers are dorks

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wagnerrp:

a 'colar' is something that goes around your neck

[20:56:57]

NickHu:

Students are incompetent

[20:57:01]

NickHu:

It's the world we live in

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NewBuntu81:

lol. don't be so chipper.

[20:57:22]

NickHu:

Well how is the "or" part pronounced "errr"?

[20:57:32]

wagnerrp:

yeah... so angsty and irritable

[20:57:36]

NickHu:

our sounds like it fits

[20:58:09]

NickHu:

Infact; who cares? Does myth even have a seperate UK localisation?

[20:58:16]

NewBuntu81:

lol wagnerrp. I guess we're all in the right chatroom...angsty and irritable. lol

[20:58:26]

stuartm:

NickHu: yes

[20:58:33]

NickHu:

Huh

[20:58:39]

stuartm:

we've had a en_gb translation for years

[20:58:50]

stuartm:

and an en_gb locale settings config too

[20:58:55]

stuartm:

although that's more recent

[20:59:00]

NickHu:

It does bring up an interesting point though..

[20:59:11]

NickHu:

wagnerrp: Say, hypothetically, you moved to England

[20:59:29]

NickHu:

Would you use your Americanisms or switch the the British ones?

[21:00:30]

wagnerrp:

i would likely continue using the US spellings just because its been hardwired for so long, and in speech, the pronunciations are the same, so it doesnt matter

[21:01:03]

justinh:

apart from aloominum of course :P

[21:01:05]

NewBuntu81:

I grew up saying Pop...I still say it. In Texas it was funny..."What kind of coke would you like?" "Mountain dew" lol

[21:01:33]

NewBuntu81:

al-u-min-ee-um

[21:01:35]

NickHu:

Pop? Were you raised in the 90s? :P

[21:01:40]

wagnerrp:

justinh: yeah, dont you guys pronounce an 'ium' at the end that isnt there?

[21:01:52]

justinh:

no, we spell it aluminium

[21:01:55]

NickHu:

It's spelled aluminium

[21:02:16]

stuartm:

Mountain Dew is coke? I thought it was more like sprite or something from the name

[21:02:35]

justinh:

I think it's more that some Texans call any fizzy drink 'Coke'

[21:02:38]

justinh:

maybe

[21:02:42]

wagnerrp:

i thought it was a pepsi product, personally

[21:02:47]

NickHu:

stuartm: It's basically 7up

[21:02:49]

stuartm:

oh, maybe that's what was meant

[21:02:59]

wagnerrp:

yeah, a lot of southern areas call all soft drinks 'cokes'

[21:02:59]

NickHu:

Although it tastes slightly better

[21:03:22]

stuartm:

is 7up still available? I can't remember the last time I saw it

[21:03:29]

NickHu:

What?!

[21:03:34]

justinh:

anyway coming over here, speaking 'merkin... spelling everything all 'merkin.. and still being able to outdo a hell of a lot of Brits' spelling & grammar

[21:03:34]

NewBuntu81:

Mountain dew is a pepsi product. Coke is a Coca Cola product. And believe it or not, Dr Pepper is it's own brand, it's just often housed in Pepsi machines in the north.

[21:03:40]

NickHu:

7up is like the best "soda"

[21:03:50]

wagnerrp:

stuartm: you mean you havent made seven up yours?

[21:03:55]

justinh:

Dr Pepper should be banned

[21:04:04]

NickHu:

Dr Pepper is goood :D

[21:04:04]

stuartm:

but I don't generally drink fizzy drinks, not since I was a kid

[21:04:25]

stuartm:

isn't Dr Pepper just Cherry Coca-Cola?

[21:04:30]

NickHu:

Sort of

[21:04:33]

NickHu:

But not quite

[21:04:33]

** wagnerrp chugs down on his 54oz fountain drink from UDF **

[21:04:37]

NickHu:

But kinda is

[21:04:38]

justinh:

yeah. tastes like (expletive deleted)

[21:05:04]

NickHu:

wagnerrp: Once you move to England you're gonna have to switch to metric

[21:05:08]

NickHu:

... Except miles

[21:05:17]

NickHu:

Also, what's a UDF?

[21:05:34]

wagnerrp:

united dairy farmers, its a gas station and convenient store chain

[21:05:34]

NewBuntu81:

The metric system seems so much easier...but yet we Americans made it hard by using our own system. go figure.

[21:05:35]

stuartm:

Urban Dairy Farm?

[21:05:43]

stuartm:

heh, almost

[21:05:56]

wagnerrp:

if switching to metric means i need to use garbage units like 'l/100km', no thanks

[21:06:00]

justinh:

NewBuntu81: we had imperial here too. wasn't always metric

[21:06:17]

justinh:

and kids still can't do simple sums in their head

[21:06:19]

stuartm:

NewBuntu81: it was our system, you borrowed it and then we switched to metric

[21:06:33]

NewBuntu81:

lmao

[21:06:38]

NickHu:

wagnerrp: We use metric except kilometres

[21:06:49]

NickHu:

Crap, is it meter or metre?

[21:06:57]

NewBuntu81:

ER

[21:07:04]

justinh:

how many old pence in a shilling? how many shillings in a pound? how many pounds in a furlong? meh

[21:07:06]

NickHu:

I mean in British english

[21:07:08]

NewBuntu81:

well in the US. lol.

[21:07:29]

NewBuntu81:

probably RE then

[21:07:29]

wagnerrp:

pounds in a furlong? now youre mixing types

[21:07:36]

stuartm:

NickHu: well we use kilometres on maps (OS at least) and for walking/cycling etc, just not on road sides or for mpg

[21:07:42]

justinh:

base 10 totally makes more sense since nobody teaches times tables by rote anymore

[21:08:06]

stuartm:

NewBuntu81: metre – meter measures things

[21:08:08]

NewBuntu81:

what do the Chinese use? That's probably what we'll all be converting to lol

[21:08:20]

NickHu:

I actually am Chinese :P

[21:08:28]

NickHu:

And imperial

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NewBuntu81:

ok. ah

[21:08:34]

NickHu:

No

[21:08:34]

stuartm:

NickHu: metre – meter measures things

[21:08:35]

NickHu:

Wait

[21:08:39]

NickHu:

They use half kilos

[21:08:41]

NickHu:

It's weird

[21:08:48]

NickHu:

But like, one word is half kilo

[21:08:55]

NickHu:

And you precede it by another to say kilo

[21:09:03]

wagnerrp:

thats slightly more than a pound

[21:09:07]

NickHu:

Gong Gin or something

[21:09:11]

justinh:

wagnerrp: I was making a point that the old system was stupid

[21:10:01]

stuartm:

justinh: we probably both grew up learning both systems and with our parents using imperial and schools teaching metric – I guess it will be simpler for kids in a another couple of generations who only have to know one system

[21:10:05]

justinh:

wouldn't have been so bad if all the systems used the same number of sub units...

[21:10:10]

NewBuntu81:

So I have my 2nd 1 TB drive in my box. I had asked before if i should use LVM or straight format it. The consensus was straight format. It's mounting but says it can't access it. Maybe I have to use LVM?

[21:10:18]

justinh:

14 of this, 18 of something else...

[21:10:33]

NewBuntu81:

But the only problem with LVM is that when the system reboots, it doesn't automatically map the second LVM drive. Any thoughts?

[21:10:39]

justinh:

who among us can divide by 14 in our head?

[21:10:46]

NewBuntu81:

Maybe I need to format as LVM and just create a script to map the 2nd LVM drive?

[21:10:46]

wagnerrp:

me

[21:10:57]

stuartm:

NewBuntu81: use storage groups, forget about LVM

[21:11:10]

kormoc:

justinh, I can divide 28/14 in my head

[21:11:14]

NickHu:

I dunno, I was raised in England

[21:11:16]

stuartm:

LVM == hassle and heartache

[21:11:17]

justinh:

hahaha

[21:11:22]

NickHu:

NewBuntu81: I vote RAID-0

[21:11:25]

wagnerrp:

justinh: i always got in trouble in school for not showing work on math problems

[21:11:36]

NickHu:

maths*

[21:11:37]

wagnerrp:

why would you ever use raid-0 for mythtv?

[21:11:49]

NickHu:

Because in theory raid-0 is awesum :P

[21:11:49]

stuartm:

wagnerrp: heh, so did I

[21:12:04]

NickHu:

Me too by the way

[21:12:15]

wagnerrp:

well of course you did, youre asian

[21:12:22]

NickHu:

Hah, true :P

[21:12:43]

NickHu:

Working at an A-level level in mathematics since year 6

[21:12:51]

NickHu:

All the other kids were so slow...

[21:12:57]

NewBuntu81:

Error: Unable to mount location. Mount exited with exit code 1: helper failed with: mount: unknown filesystem type LVM2_member"

[21:12:58]

NickHu:

And parents were pushy bastards

[21:13:06]

NewBuntu81:

But yet I wasn't trying to do it as LVM...grrr.

[21:13:07]

NickHu:

Now you see why I'm so hot-headed

[21:13:19]

NickHu:

NewBuntu81: What did you format it as?

[21:13:34]

NewBuntu81:

ext4

[21:13:45]

NickHu:

Just mount it as ext4 then..?

[21:14:04]

NickHu:

mount /dev/sdb1 /some/mountpoint

[21:14:14]

NickHu:

Asuming you have working udev/hal/I don't know

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stuartm:

I've actually got certificates to show that I was in the top 1% nationwide or something like that, but my mathematical abilities have declined significantly over the years from lack of use :(

[21:14:39]

NickHu:

stuartm: It's not as important as the teachers say, is it?

[21:15:06]

NewBuntu81:

does Fedora force you to use LVM?

[21:15:15]

NickHu:

Never used Fedora

[21:15:28]

NewBuntu81:

even when I open "logical volume management" it shows "searching for LVM".

[21:15:32]

NickHu:

sudo mount -t ext4 /dev/sdb1 /some/mountpoint?

[21:15:36]

NickHu:

Use the terminal

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NickHu:

Never fails

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NickHu:

I'd assume they wouldn't force it on you

[21:16:00]

wagnerrp:

NickHu: sure it is, i use it all the time

[21:16:02]

NickHu:

LVM is a big deal

[21:16:05]

stuartm:

NickHu: for my sister who went on to study astrophysics it probably was, but other than those rare few careers, not it's not as important as we were lead to believe ;)

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NickHu:

*am still being lead to believe

[21:16:30]

wagnerrp:

never know when youll have to discretize a non-linear system of partial differential equations

[21:17:11]

NewBuntu81:

Logical Volume management told me to re-initialize the drive, sdb1, so I did. Now it falls under "unallocated volumes". My choices are to add it to the LVM group, or create a new LVM group.

[21:17:16]

NewBuntu81:

Almost like it forces you to use LVM...

[21:17:30]

NickHu:

You know Logical volume management stands for LVM right..?

[21:17:38]

NewBuntu81:

yes

[21:17:45]

NickHu:

Also, is fedora that distro that hates everything not-FOSS?

[21:17:57]

wagnerrp:

so clearly in any tool designed to use LVM, youre going to format disks for use with LVM

[21:18:01]

NewBuntu81:

last box...remove volume from LVM...

[21:18:05]

NewBuntu81:

doing that

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stuartm:

NickHu: no, that's Debian

[21:18:11]

NickHu:

Oh

[21:18:27]

NickHu:

Also, was there ever a gnu distro?

[21:18:41]

NickHu:

CRAP I'M WATCHING COAST, MUST CHANGE CHANNEL

[21:18:50]

wagnerrp:

all linux distros are GNU based

[21:19:06]

NickHu:

No, I mean the spear-head GNU distro

[21:19:09]

NickHu:

lolhurd

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stuartm:

and Debian not only hates non-FOSS they hate everything to the point where many of their packages are compromised by patches written by idiot packagers who think they know better than the developers of an application

[21:19:24]

wagnerrp:

hurd is not linux

[21:19:39]

stuartm:

HINL?

[21:19:58]

wagnerrp:

linux is a kernel, hurd is a kernel

[21:19:59]

AndyCap:

hlrd?

[21:20:03]

wagnerrp:

gnu is the operating system

[21:20:08]

AndyCap:

hird of linux replacing daemons

[21:20:10]

NickHu:

Ah, that's what I meant

[21:20:27]

AndyCap:

wagnerrp: gnu is the political wing.

[21:20:28]

justinh:

"The MythicalLibrarian dev is

[21:20:29]

AndyCap:

:P

[21:20:30]

justinh:

super responsive"

[21:20:34]

wagnerrp:

while its conceivable someone might run the linux kernel against one of the BSD userlands, or a Solaris userland

[21:20:39]

wagnerrp:

ive never heard of such a beast

[21:20:42]

justinh:

hahaha not quite what I'd have said

[21:20:43]

wagnerrp:

its always the opposite

[21:20:52]

NickHu:

So there's no actual exclusively GNU system?

[21:20:52]

stuartm:

GNU is a the sandal wearing fringe

[21:20:57]

wagnerrp:

freebsd or solaris kernel running the hurd operating system

[21:21:07]

wagnerrp:

NickHu: sure, gnu+hurd

[21:21:17]

NickHu:

I thought hurd was broken/crappy/incomplete

[21:21:23]

wagnerrp:

it is

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NickHu:

Oh, I meant functional operating system

[21:21:44]

wagnerrp:

gnu is a functional operating system

[21:21:45]

NewBuntu81:

my choices for Scheme when I reformat are: Master Boot Record, or GUID.

[21:21:48]

NewBuntu81:

Do I want GUID?

[21:21:49]

AndyCap:

not to worry, if hurd starts to do useful stuff, they'll toss it out and rewrite it

[21:22:02]

NickHu:

stuartm: I was under the impression that Debian was good

[21:22:07]

wagnerrp:

something like LFS is pretty much stock GNU

[21:22:10]

NickHu:

NewBuntu81: Depends on if windows will ever touch it

[21:22:21]

NewBuntu81:

no windows

[21:22:26]

NewBuntu81:

just mythtv

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NickHu:

Then go for GUID

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wagnerrp:

justinh: i still cant get around the several thousand line bash script

[21:22:40]

NickHu:

Although if it's "just mythtv" it hardly makes a difference

[21:23:02]

wagnerrp:

NewBuntu81: how recent is your motherboard?

[21:23:14]

wagnerrp:

older motherboards cannot handle GUID disks

[21:23:31]

NewBuntu81:

dell optiplex 280...so older? it has SATA lol

[21:23:42]

wagnerrp:

and its not really needed unless you are running >2TB disks

[21:23:50]

NewBuntu81:

ah. ok, so MBR?

[21:24:04]

NickHu:

If you ever want to partition it and resize stuff

[21:24:07]

NickHu:

Go with GUID

[21:24:12]

NickHu:

It's also *slightly* faster

[21:24:17]

wagnerrp:

why would you want to partition it?

[21:24:36]

NickHu:

wagnerrp: He might realise he doesn't actually need a TB for myth and want to delegate space elsewhere

[21:24:48]

stuartm:

NickHu: Debian is terrible IMHO, it's stable branch is affectionately known by the moniker "Debian Stale", it's had multiple issues over the years caused by running unnofficial patches to software that have even cause major security breaches (see the openssh key affair)

[21:25:05]

NewBuntu81:

the box just does myth

[21:25:05]

NickHu:

Hmm

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NewBuntu81:

i'm going for show on demand here, hahaha

[21:25:29]

NickHu:

I use Arch linux, which is the opposite of stale hehe ;) No wonder everything breaks for me

[21:25:47]

NickHu:

NewBuntu81: Either one is a fine choice

[21:25:49]

NewBuntu81:

although maybe i should ask...is it worth doing a raid, maybe stripe across both disks?

[21:26:04]

NickHu:

NewBuntu81: That's my initial suggestiong

[21:26:08]

NickHu:

suggestion*

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NewBuntu81:

and can you set up a raid in linux without formatting and starting over?

[21:26:13]

NickHu:

Although I've never done it

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stuartm:

NickHu: in several cases they've been forced to rename software (e.g. Firefox to Iceweasel) because the developers of those apps have objected to Debian shipping something which is emphatically not the same thing under a mis-leading name

[21:26:26]

NickHu:

I see

[21:26:52]

stuartm:

we've even discussed forcing them to rebrand their MythTV packages at one point

[21:28:05]

kormoc:

NewBuntu81, don't bother with raiding for a media center

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NewBuntu81:

ok so my 2nd drive is partitioned with MBR, formatted as ext4. When I go to mount, it says "Error mounting. Mount exited with exit code 1. Helper failed with mount: unknown filesystem type LVM2 member".

[21:28:17]

NewBuntu81:

But it's not part of an LVM!!!

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NickHu:

Stop using LVM tools to mount it then!

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NewBuntu81:

I was using Red Hat's Disk Utility 2.3.0 which comes with the Fedora OS

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NickHu:

Well... Don't :P

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stuartm:

packagers are often in a privledged position, they might not have the skills to be given commit access on any project but they can become a packager without any qualifications and use that to inject their patches into code used by thousands

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NickHu:

Terminal + mount

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NickHu:

stuartm: What distro do you use then..? :P

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stuartm:

packagers are under no obligation to package the code exactly as they found it nor tell users that what they are receiving isn't unmodified

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NickHu:

Apt get has a retreive source command though right?

[21:30:59]

NickHu:

For ricers?

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stuartm:

NickHu: Mandriva – not that I'm recommending it nor am I not recommending it ...

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wagnerrp:

NewBuntu81: just mount it using fstab

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wagnerrp:

you have to be a ricer to run source?

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NewBuntu81:

ok commandline seems to work

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NewBuntu81:

sudo mount -t ext4 /dev/sdb1 /media/sdb1

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wagnerrp:

sudo? why not just do this as root?

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NewBuntu81:

so will it auto mount every time? or do i have to create a script?

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, I'm just wondering if he's bating for a trolling

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wagnerrp:

NewBuntu81: use fstab

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stuartm:

NickHu: it returns their modified source code, which you could then in theory diff against the official release, but if you're going to do that you might as well save time and build directly from the official repo

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stuartm:

I'm not saying it's impossible to discover what changes packagers have made, merely that 99.9% of users won't even think about it

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stuartm:

I certainly can't be bothered to do it for the hundreds of apps I have installed, there isn't much you can realistically do about it while still using packages

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wagnerrp:

boxee has support for mythtv?

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, as much as xbmc does, no?

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NickHu:

I've never quite understood the "patch" tool... Sure, the concept is simple, but the syntax seems very complicated

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kormoc:

NickHu, how much simpler could it be? remove this line, add this line at this offset with some context to make sure it's the right spot

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NickHu:

The last time I looked at the man page I was very tired

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NewBuntu81:

sweet

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NewBuntu81:

drive 2 seen and recordings going to it now too

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NewBuntu81:

well that was easier than LVM hahaha

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NewBuntu81:

Will it auto map when I restart?

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NickHu:

If it's in the fstab

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NewBuntu81:

as in /etc/fstab?

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NickHu:

Yup

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NickHu:

Works fairly simply no?

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stuartm:

now I've wasted the whole evening griping about packagers and American vs British spelling when I wanted to spend the time finishing off some patches

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NickHu:

While watching live TV you can toggle record and cancel record, but can you tell it just to stop recording at a button press?

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NickHu:

stuartm: You can waste time thinking about wasted time if you want, but it's a paradox really

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Seeker`:

justinh: btw, time search takes maybe 10–15 seconds for me

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NewBuntu81:

wow poor system. it's recording off all 4 tuners at the moment.

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Seeker`:

NewBuntu81: did you tell it to record 4 things?

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NickHu:

Can I stop a recording without killing the backend outright?

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NewBuntu81:

yep

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NewBuntu81:

yep to Seeker i mean

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Seeker`:

NickHu: go to watch recordings, find the recording you want to kill, press m, there should be a "stop recording" option

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NewBuntu81:

and yes, NickHU, you can stop a recording....i usually do it through Mythweb

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NickHu:

He meant poor as in "Aww, poor you, having to do all that work"

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Seeker`:

NickHu: yes, I realise that now

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NewBuntu81:

Does linux only allow for 3 Gig Ram? Or is that a system bottleneck?

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NewBuntu81:

I put 4 in but it only recognizes 3.

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NickHu:

NewBuntu81: 64bit

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NewBuntu81:

32

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NickHu:

Extended memory mapping?

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NickHu:

Some kernel extension no?

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JEDIDIAH__:

or a pae kernel

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NewBuntu81:

Um, just plain ol i guess. I didn't configure it to do any extended mappings

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JEDIDIAH__:

2.6.32-25-generic-pae

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NickHu:

HAH, THE 3.0 KERNEL IS MAINLINE NOW, HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THAT?

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NewBuntu81:

2.6.35.13

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NickHu:

In this modern day and age though, you should really be using a 64bit OS

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NewBuntu81:

that's only if your cpu supports 64 bit though

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NickHu:

True

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NickHu:

Use the pae kernel

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NewBuntu81:

and mr Dell Optiplex 280 doesn't

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NewBuntu81:

i did notice a huge difference when going from 2 gig to 3 gig RAM.

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NickHu:

What distro are you on?

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NewBuntu81:

FC14

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NickHu:

I don't know what the fedora package manager is like...

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devinheitmueller:

3.1-rc3!

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devinheitmueller:

Oh, we aren't just randomly throwing out our kernel versions? Sorry...

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NewBuntu81:

lol devin

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NewBuntu81:

Mr. Hauppauge himself

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wagnerrp:

well, one of three

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NickHu:

Who's devinheitmueller? :P

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wagnerrp:

four?

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wagnerrp:

NickHu: ill give you one guess

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devinheitmueller:

I'm not confident the people who still work there would be too thrilled about people addressing me with that title. :-)

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NewBuntu81:

God to Hauppauge drivers (well firmware in Linuxland) :-)

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NickHu:

"Mr. Hauppauge himself"?

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devinheitmueller:

Ok,well I will answer to *that*.

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devinheitmueller:

:-)

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wagnerrp:

actually, i was going to say hes clearly 'Devin Heitmueller'

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NickHu:

Oh, so are you the one I should be complaining to about my Hauppauge Nova S Plus randomly drifting out of range for no reasion?

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NewBuntu81:

I read and read and read and read....for updates on the HVR 2250. And his name was all over that stuff.

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NickHu:

reason*

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devinheitmueller:

"When somebody asks if you're a god, you say "Yes!""...

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NewBuntu81:

Devin, now's the time to put up the auto response. jk

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NewBuntu81:

There's no complaining...only praising.

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devinheitmueller:

I actually had very little role in the 2250 driver. That was entirely Steven. But yeah, he and I post on the same blog so it's easy to confuse us.

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wagnerrp:

NickHu: basically, hes one of four current (and former?) hauppauge employees who is very prominent in the linuxtv project

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devinheitmueller:

In fact, I'm not even sure if I have a 2250 in my "box o' tuners"....

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NickHu:

Do Hauppauge hate lunix?

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NewBuntu81:

I recall both of your names actually.

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NickHu:

NewBuntu81: From what I can gather from the fedora docs, both the pae and "vanilla" kernel are installed by default, but the vanilla one is used

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J-e-f-f-A:

I doubt that... they're one of the most linux-friendly manufacturers...

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NewBuntu81:

<--running Mythbuntu frontends with Fedora backend.

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NickHu:

So it's just a case of booting from the pae one

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** J-e-f-f-A <-- running Fedora backend with Fedora frontends. ;-) **

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NewBuntu81:

lmao

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NickHu:

I could be wrong though

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NewBuntu81:

I had one Fedora frontend until last night.

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** NickHu using Arch Linux and haven't killed myself yet **

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devinheitmueller:

NickHu: which Nova-S model do you have?

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NickHu:

Plus

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yurko:

afternoon all

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devinheitmueller:

NickHu: this one?: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppau . . . -NOVA-S-Plus

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yurko:

is there any setting i need to flip to turn on UPnP

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NickHu:

Yup

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NickHu:

0d:01.2 Multimedia controller: Conexant Systems, Inc. CX23880/1/2/3 PCI Video and Audio Decoder [MPEG Port] (rev 05)

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NewBuntu81:

Didn't TBS always used to be the +5 minute channel? 8:05, 8:35...

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NewBuntu81:

Now they're the -5 channel? Seems like everything is now 5 minutes til...

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NickHu:

Afternoon?! Damn it's late here

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wagnerrp:

NickHu: no one has run lunix in 15 years

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NickHu:

wagnerrp: Lunix is a "roody" way of saying linux

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NickHu:

Like "lawl"

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NickHu:

Besides, loonix sounds cooler :P

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devinheitmueller:

NickHu: is it actually drifting off frequency?

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wagnerrp:

lunix is a UNIX clone, written for the C64 and C128 machines

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devinheitmueller:

… or is it something where sometimes it locks and other times it does not?

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NickHu:

Well, what happens is, after I leave it for a while it locks onto a multiplex or doesn't let me watch livetv/record at all

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NickHu:

And the logs say out of frequency error

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NickHu:

Restarting backend fixes it

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devinheitmueller:

NickHu: what kernel are you running?

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NickHu:

3.0-pf

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devinheitmueller:

Hmmm.

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NickHu:

I tried building drivers from source too, and no fix

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NewBuntu81:

Is there a way to text edit a user (Users and Groups, User Properties) to change the login shell?

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devinheitmueller:

I'm asking because there was a recent fix I did that addressed cases where the first tune would succeed but subsequent tunes would fail in certain conditions. That's in 3.0 though so if you are running that then it's a different issue.

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wagnerrp:

NewBuntu81: chsh

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devinheitmueller:

NickHu: Do you see it happen consistently with a particular frequency/polarization?

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NewBuntu81:

And specifically, where might I look (what path, what file)

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NickHu:

devinheitmueller: I upgraded like yesterday and haven't properly tested since

[22:04:03]

devinheitmueller:

NickHu: Oh. In that case definitely try out 3.0 and see if it still happens.

[22:04:20]

devinheitmueller:

The bug I found has been there for like two years, and broke at a minimum the HVR-1300, HVR-3000, and HVR-4000.

[22:05:20]

devinheitmueller:

All that said though, DVB-S has never really been my area of expertise.

[22:05:56]

devinheitmueller:

(the extent of which was two weekends I spent writing a driver for the HVR-4400's DVB-S2 and DVB-S demodulators)

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NickHu:

I'm dumping my entire log though if you wanna look through it

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NickHu:

Pressed Watch Live TV, threw me back to frontend menu

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NickHu:

Pressed again, locked to some multiplex

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NickHu:

:(

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NickHu:

It kicked me out saying video framebuffering failed too many times

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** wagnerrp wonders when parabyte is going to make it in here... **

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, never

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wagnerrp:

looks like he quit out of IRC completely

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wagnerrp:

go figure...

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devinheitmueller:

NickHu: what do you have the signal lock timeout set to?

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NickHu:

Who's parabyte?

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wagnerrp:

user who came into #mythtv looking for user support

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NickHu:

devinheitmueller: How can I check?

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devinheitmueller:

NickHu: it's in mythtv-setup in the tuner configuration.

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wagnerrp:

and was told to check the topic, which tells people the proper channel is #mythtv-users

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NickHu:

7000

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NickHu:

devinheitmueller: Here's August's log http://paste.xinu.at/IRpu0/

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devinheitmueller:

7000 should be plenth.

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devinheitmueller:

plenty.

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NickHu:

DVBChan(2:/dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0) Warning: Your frequency setting (10891250) is out of range. (min/max:950000/2150000) and stuff like that are when the issue crops up

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NickHu:

Upon clicking "Watch Live TV"

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NickHu:

After the backend has been running a while

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wagnerrp:

stupid shared workstations

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devinheitmueller:

Yeah, 10 GHz does seem a bit like it's too high a frequency. :-)

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wagnerrp:

guy is using this thing for all of a couple weeks and he manages to get firefox infected with something

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devinheitmueller:

(given the supported range is 950 MHz to 2.15 GHz)

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wagnerrp:

guy has administrative privileges revoked

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NickHu:

I don't know why it drifts high though

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devinheitmueller:

I'm not confident it's drifting at all. That seems like MythTV is passing it a garbage frequency to tune to...

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NickHu:

Hmm

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NickHu:

It only happens right after booting or if I leave the back end going for a while without watching tv or recording something

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NickHu:

Leads me to believe something is messing with it...

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devinheitmueller:

Do you do suspend/resume on your PC?

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NickHu:

Yes sometimes, but it happened even before I started doing that

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devinheitmueller:

Power management has always been a bit of an edge case with these sorts of cards...

[22:18:42]

devinheitmueller:

As a test, you may wish to explicitly suspend the PC, resume, and see if it happens.

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NickHu:

justinh made the suggestion that the frequency had an extr 0 on it

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NickHu:

I don't have any sort of power management at the moment

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NickHu:

I just use "poweroff"

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NickHu:

(tuxonice doesn't work with the 3.0 kernel yet)

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devinheitmueller:

I would have to look at the code to understand definitively if that log line is coming from what is being sent from the driver or if perhaps it's a query of the currently tuned frequency from the driver.

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NickHu:

Hmm...

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devinheitmueller:

…. admittedly I don't look enough at MythTV logfiles to know that sort of thing off the top of my head.

[22:22:40]

NickHu:

Well it doesn't happen if I tune in with vlc or mplayer

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NickHu:

And it works fine immediately after I restart the myth back end

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devinheitmueller:

Yeah, but vlc or mplayer may just tune to the target frequency without querying what the currently tuned frequency is...

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NickHu:

Hmm

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devinheitmueller:

Is the log you sent from before you upgraded to 3.0?

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NickHu:

I upgraded to 3.0 about 2 or 3 days ago

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NickHu:

That's the entire August log

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devinheitmueller:

NickHu: I understand, but is the pastebin you referenced from just now, or from before?

[22:25:31]

devinheitmueller:

Ah, ok.

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devinheitmueller:

NickHu: how many tuners do you have?

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NickHu:

Just the one

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devinheitmueller:

Is "EIT scanning" enabled in mythtv-setup?

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NickHu:

Yup

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devinheitmueller:

Try turning that off and see if it makes a difference.

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NickHu:

Would I have to use xmltv?

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devinheitmueller:

… because this feels a bit suspicious: "Channel is valid, but tuner is busy on different multiplex"

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NickHu:

Ahh

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devinheitmueller:

I'm saying just do it as a test so we can see if that has anything to do with the problem.

[22:28:06]

devinheitmueller:

For example, if the EIT scanner were running when you did the tuning attempt, it may be preventing the tuner from being available....

[22:28:19]

NickHu:

I'm sorry but I don't really have access to my computer at the moment :(

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devinheitmueller:

NickHu: I don't have much time left today to help you anyway. But at least I've given you a couple of things to try out....

[22:29:28]

NickHu:

Thanks for your help :) maybe we could carry on tomorrow? :)

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devinheitmueller:

I'm usually around (and if not I do watch the irc log on a daily basis)

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NickHu:

Awesome, thanks again :D time to hit the hay.. night irc

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devinheitmueller:

ttyl

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Baylink:

Query: So I just upgraded my sis's box to SuSE 11.4, via zypper dup from repo, and it fixed all of her skipping and dragging playback issues, as I had hoped it would, without having to fiddle with her .23-fixes install. But now I have a video sync loss about every 30 seconds. Just for a frame, but it's annoying. ATI Radeon Mobile 9600 PCI. NO special settings in the Xorg.conf, and yet X and XV work fine. Any go-to suggestions?

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wagnerrp:

pulseaudio most likely

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wagnerrp:

pulseaudio is the standard wipping boy for nearly all a/v sync issues

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JEDIDIAH__:

buggered (vdpau) video drivers can also cause a problem.

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JEDIDIAH__:

managed to do that to myself with my last dist-upgrade

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wagnerrp:

not on an old mobile radeon

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