| Tuesday, August 23rd, 2011, 00:00 UTC | ||
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| [00:02:07] | wagnerrp: | any suggestion on how to wipe a couple logs from buildbot? |
| [00:02:37] | wagnerrp: | namely, all the ones from the last few hours which were building with my root environment |
| [00:02:53] | wagnerrp: | i dont have permission to touch the files |
| [00:03:00] | wagnerrp: | and sudo doesnt allow 'cd' |
| [00:03:14] | wagnerrp: | buildbot will probably bitch if i change permissions |
| [00:03:51] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: ^^^ |
| [00:04:25] | Beirdo: | you'd have to go in as root to wipe them, I'd think |
| [00:04:41] | Beirdo: | sudo doesn't allow cd?! |
| [00:04:46] | Beirdo: | what in the heck? |
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| [00:05:49] | wagnerrp: | well... i dont know root |
| [00:06:14] | Beirdo: | where are you trying to delete from? this is on your slave, right? |
| [00:06:57] | wagnerrp: | http://code.mythtv.org/buildbot/builders/mast . . . t/logs/stdio |
| [00:07:33] | wagnerrp: | not a real big issue |
| [00:07:45] | wagnerrp: | and likely never to be seen again within a few hours |
| [00:08:03] | Beirdo: | not sure how to selectively delete logs off the master |
| [00:08:04] | wagnerrp: | once it flushes off the waterfall out of the last page of individual logs |
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| [00:21:49] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: think we should start picking up buildbots on different Qt versions? |
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| [00:22:24] | Beirdo: | yeah, we probably should look into that soon :) |
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| [00:24:11] | k-man: | why? |
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| [00:24:37] | wagnerrp: | k-man: because things change from 4.6 to 4.7 to 4.8 |
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| [00:24:49] | wagnerrp: | it would let us know if we need to fix things to make it compatible with 4.8 |
| [00:24:58] | wagnerrp: | it would let us know when perhaps we should drop support for 4.6 |
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| [00:25:33] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: i assume ccache would not be usable from one Qt version to the next? |
| [00:26:03] | wagnerrp: | they would all be independently compiled instances |
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| [00:29:09] | wagnerrp: | well it would be fairly easy for me to spawn a new jail with newer qt |
| [00:30:14] | petethepirate: | I just got a serial ir receiver for my mythtv today, and I'm having problems getting it working. Anyone know what this means, or if it has anything to do with my serial ir receiver not working? irc_serial: auto-detected active low receiver |
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| [00:40:36] | k-man: | petethepirate, I don't think so |
| [00:40:43] | k-man: | petethepirate, have you tried testing with irw? |
| [00:41:07] | petethepirate: | k-man: I get no response from irw. |
| [00:41:15] | k-man: | hmm... |
| [00:41:26] | k-man: | forget testing in mythtv until you get a response from irw |
| [00:41:43] | petethepirate: | Add -L /path/logname -D7 to launch lircd with logging right? |
| [00:41:45] | k-man: | there is another command – wich is more direct hang on |
| [00:41:58] | petethepirate: | Are you thinking of mode2? |
| [00:42:08] | k-man: | ah yeah |
| [00:42:10] | k-man: | thats it |
| [00:42:18] | k-man: | do you get anything using mode2? |
| [00:42:50] | k-man: | fwiw, I use a serial irc receiver at home too – but its many years since I configured it. I have no idea how I did it now |
| [00:42:53] | petethepirate: | How many lines can I paste in chat? I have 5, should that many go to pastebin? |
| [00:42:59] | k-man: | petethepirate, 1 |
| [00:43:04] | k-man: | yes, pastebin |
| [00:43:04] | wagnerrp: | 2 |
| [00:43:15] | k-man: | wagnerrp is more generous than me ;) |
| [00:43:31] | wagnerrp: | hey, thats what the rules say |
| [00:43:49] | k-man: | oh... in that case, I am right wing |
| [00:44:35] | petethepirate: | http://pastebin.com/HQ8Rb62q |
| [00:48:10] | petethepirate: | I keep reading I do/don't want lirc-modules-source. Do I want/need this? |
| [00:48:34] | k-man: | pastebin the output of dmesg too |
| [00:48:49] | petethepirate: | k-man all of it? |
| [00:48:51] | k-man: | petethepirate, afaik, yes you need it |
| [00:48:59] | k-man: | petethepirate, well, anything relevalt to serial and lirc |
| [00:49:03] | k-man: | relevant |
| [00:49:21] | k-man: | oh – sorry, I see you included that in tht paste |
| [00:49:22] | k-man: | sorry |
| [00:50:13] | petethepirate: | http://pastebin.com/7DMuupST – entire dmesg if needed. |
| [00:51:35] | k-man: | I think you need to get mode2 working before proceeding |
| [00:51:46] | k-man: | I'll just check what I have on my machine at home – hang on |
| [00:52:25] | k-man: | ah – my network is down at home |
| [00:52:27] | k-man: | can't check |
| [00:54:04] | petethepirate: | I'm googling the error with mode2. |
| [00:55:25] | Beaver: | I'm having an issue setting up Mythbuntu on a direcTV system using the HD PVR. After configuring the backend I get Card 1 (tpe Component) is set to star on channel Please add, which does not exist. How do I go about setting up channels the PVR itself isn't going to be doing any tuning? |
| [00:56:18] | wagnerrp: | Beaver: just download the lineup from your schedules direct account |
| [00:56:33] | iamlindoro: | The PVR *must* do tuning. You need to set up an IR blaster or other means of MythTV changing the channels on the direcTV box. Most commonly, this is by using a channel changing script that fires off the appropriate IR codes |
| [00:57:14] | petethepirate: | My paste bin posting is the #5 google search for my error. |
| [00:57:34] | Beaver: | Okay, I added schedules direct as a video source. Do I need to do that manually? Also, I have a windows MCE blaster that I plan on using for tuning. |
| [00:57:44] | Beaver: | Though I haven't even attempted to set that up yet. |
| [00:58:03] | wagnerrp: | for now, you can use '/bin/true' as your external channel changer |
| [00:58:13] | wagnerrp: | but to actually make mythtv functional, you will need to use a blaster |
| [00:58:43] | wagnerrp: | when you created a video source and pointed it at your schedules direct lineup |
| [00:58:50] | Beaver: | Correct. |
| [00:58:54] | wagnerrp: | there should have been an option to download the lineup from the listing source |
| [00:59:48] | Beaver: | I'll attempt that again, then. I saw the button but hitting enter over it didn't seem to do anything. |
| [01:00:13] | Beaver: | Will running mythfilldatabase do the same thing? |
| [01:00:39] | wagnerrp: | if everything else has been set up, yes |
| [01:01:25] | k-man: | petethepirate, any clues from google? |
| [01:01:29] | Beaver: | Okay. I'll try to set up the baster while that does that then |
| [01:02:06] | petethepirate: | k-man: working on it. |
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| [01:03:53] | k-man: | petethepirate, iirc, you need to ensure the correct serial lirc module is compiled and installed. once it is installed there will be a /dev/lirc<something> device |
| [01:03:55] | petethepirate: | k-man Progress! /dev/lirc0 gives me responses from my remote. |
| [01:04:06] | k-man: | yay! |
| [01:04:36] | k-man: | and then you need to configure lircd to use /dev/lirc0 on startup |
| [01:04:38] | petethepirate: | Still no response from irw. |
| [01:04:49] | k-man: | petethepirate, but mode2 works? |
| [01:04:57] | petethepirate: | 7103 ? Ss 0:00 /usr/sbin/lircd --output=/var/run/lirc/lircd --device=/dev/lirc0 |
| [01:05:03] | petethepirate: | k-man: yes mode2 works. |
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| [01:05:38] | k-man: | I seem to recall some trick getting irw to work too – but I can'trecall what |
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| [01:06:10] | petethepirate: | Does lirc have to run correctly for ire to work? |
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| [01:06:27] | k-man: | ire? |
| [01:06:42] | petethepirate: | ire=irw |
| [01:07:08] | k-man: | petethepirate, iirc, irw connects to lircd and displays what lircd is receiving |
| [01:08:27] | petethepirate: | k-man: more progress. I added my tivoseries1 file to ircd.conf and I'm getting responses from irw. |
| [01:08:37] | k-man: | ah good |
| [01:09:05] | petethepirate: | I should now just need to get the remote programed to lira eh? |
| [01:09:34] | k-man: | yeah sounds like it |
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| [01:13:43] | petethepirate: | I'm glad it picked now to force a fsck, and not in the middle of the night when I'm asleep. |
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| [01:23:10] | Beaver: | Ok, so I've got all the channels set up but I'm trying to set the IR up and the myth control center is too large to see the bottom portion (where the blaster settings are) any ideas? It won't let me resize it. |
| [01:24:08] | k-man: | myth control center? what is that? |
| [01:24:50] | Beaver: | The Mythbuntu Control Centre in the system menu of the applications bar |
| [01:25:33] | tgm4883: | Beaver, geez what resolution are you using? |
| [01:26:00] | wagnerrp: | probably an old SD TV |
| [01:26:24] | tgm4883: | wagnerrp, but.... why? |
| [01:26:35] | wagnerrp: | dont know |
| [01:26:36] | tgm4883: | why hook up an HDPVR and then use an old SD TV? |
| [01:26:38] | Beaver: | tgm4883: No, it's on a newer Lucky Goldstar. |
| [01:26:49] | Beaver: | Stand by one, I'll get the res. I have it set to auto. |
| [01:26:51] | wagnerrp: | lucky goldstar? |
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| [01:26:59] | Beaver: | LG |
| [01:27:02] | wagnerrp: | ive heard of lucky gold... |
| [01:27:26] | tgm4883: | 1024x768 should be enough |
| [01:27:33] | tgm4883: | 800x600 is probably too small |
| [01:27:42] | wagnerrp: | huh... it was goldstar |
| [01:27:50] | wagnerrp: | i had always heard gold |
| [01:27:58] | Beaver: | It's 1920x1080 |
| [01:28:16] | tgm4883: | well now that doesn't make any sense |
| [01:28:25] | tgm4883: | that should be plenty to see the MCC |
| [01:28:28] | Beaver: | Right. |
| [01:28:30] | wagnerrp: | in any case... |
| [01:28:45] | wagnerrp: | tgm, could you confirm some disparaging remarks i made a while back |
| [01:28:56] | tgm4883: | looking |
| [01:28:58] | wagnerrp: | i recall you guys are patching the mysqldb 1.2.3 check out of the bindings |
| [01:29:29] | wagnerrp: | because ubuntu decided to backport the fixes to 1.2.2, rather than push out 1.2.3 |
| [01:29:33] | wagnerrp: | this was actually on the mailing list |
| [01:29:43] | Beaver: | Yeah, everything is pretty huge. Is there a zoom setting that is on by default? |
| [01:30:02] | wagnerrp: | more likely ubuntu cannot get a proper EDID block from your tv |
| [01:30:08] | wagnerrp: | so it is defaulting to something huge |
| [01:30:21] | wagnerrp: | or small, rather |
| [01:30:55] | Beaver: | Can I set it manually? |
| [01:31:07] | tgm4883: | wagnerrp, false |
| [01:31:14] | tgm4883: | Here are the patches we add http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mythbuntu/mythtv . . . ian/patches/ |
| [01:31:23] | tgm4883: | that is for -fixes (eg. 0.24) |
| [01:32:41] | wagnerrp: | this is for trunk/0.25 |
| [01:32:45] | wagnerrp: | 0.24 had no such check |
| [01:33:44] | tgm4883: | ah |
| [01:33:47] | ** tgm4883 looks at 0.25 ** | |
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| [01:34:23] | Gibby: | anyone using xen 4+ and passing a pvr-150 to a domU by chance? |
| [01:34:36] | wagnerrp: | why would anyone want to? |
| [01:35:00] | Gibby: | for fun |
| [01:35:20] | tgm4883: | wagnerrp, I don't see anything removing it http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mythbuntu/mythtv . . . ian/patches/ |
| [01:36:06] | wagnerrp: | arent you using 2.7? |
| [01:36:29] | wagnerrp: | (python 2.7) |
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| [01:37:44] | petethepirate: | Any idea why mythbuntu home center would not list home brew as an option for ir, but lira does? |
| [01:37:57] | wagnerrp: | tgm4883: actually, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mythbuntu-dev/my . . . n_mysqldb.py is different from upstream |
| [01:38:29] | wagnerrp: | but it outright blocks it, rather than allowing it with sufficiently modern mysqldb module |
| [01:38:40] | petethepirate: | control not home. |
| [01:39:04] | wagnerrp: | https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/blob/master/ . . . n_mysqldb.py |
| [01:40:06] | tgm4883: | wagnerrp, interesting, that is suppose to import from you guys |
| [01:40:33] | tgm4883: | wagnerrp, actually, that hasn't updated since Dec 2010 |
| [01:40:47] | tgm4883: | I doubt it's used anymore, give me a sec and I'll verify |
| [01:41:17] | wagnerrp: | yeah, your copy is mine from prior to dec 07, 2010 |
| [01:42:41] | tgm4883: | wagnerrp, sec, since the change to git it gets a little more confusing for me to find some things |
| [01:42:50] | tgm4883: | since our packaging scripts are kept on git now |
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| [01:45:00] | tgm4883: | wagnerrp, yea it's pulled from http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mythbuntu/mythtv/mythtv-$GIT_TYPE |
| [01:45:09] | tgm4883: | where $GIT_TYPE is fixes or master |
| [01:45:16] | tgm4883: | so that one you found is old |
| [01:45:24] | tgm4883: | and not used anymore |
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| [01:48:21] | wagnerrp: | well now im confused |
| [01:48:51] | wagnerrp: | the version check in configure simply checks for any mysqldb |
| [01:48:59] | wagnerrp: | but the one in the bindings checks for a specific version |
| [01:49:08] | wagnerrp: | the user passed the configure check, but failed thr runtime |
| [01:49:39] | tgm4883: | And they were running our packages? |
| [01:49:43] | wagnerrp: | which means he had a copy of mysqldb installed against python 2.7, that was not supposed to be compatible with 2.7 |
| [01:49:46] | wagnerrp: | no, building from source |
| [01:49:51] | tgm4883: | ah |
| [01:49:57] | wagnerrp: | i thought i remember at some point you guys patching that runtime check out |
| [01:50:20] | wagnerrp: | because canonical had backported the fixes to the older version of mysqldb, and stuck with the older version |
| [01:50:27] | tgm4883: | not that I recall, we try to keep our patching to a minimum |
| [01:50:39] | tgm4883: | I'll ask superm1 and Daviey about it though |
| [01:50:45] | wagnerrp: | not that you had done anything improper |
| [01:50:54] | wagnerrp: | but that canonical had done something stupid, and you had to correct for it |
| [01:53:46] | wagnerrp: | im also confused as to how 0.24 works at all |
| [01:53:53] | wagnerrp: | since it outright blocks python 2.7 |
| [01:54:18] | wagnerrp: | erm, nevermind |
| [01:54:23] | wagnerrp: | it blocks nothing |
| [01:55:20] | wagnerrp: | tgm4883: well dont spend a lot of time worrying about it |
| [01:59:11] | petethepirate: | Does anyone know the difference between /etc/lirc/lircd.conf and ~/.lirc/mythtv? |
| [02:00:03] | [R]: | lircd.conf is the name to code mapping |
| [02:00:13] | [R]: | the other one is the name to key mapping |
| [02:00:19] | [R]: | rather code to name* |
| [02:00:36] | k-man: | petethepirate, did you mean ~/.mythtv/lirc? |
| [02:00:43] | petethepirate: | [R]: I keep reading instructions telling me to put them in ~/.lirc/mythtv, any idea what that is? |
| [02:00:51] | [R]: | "them"? |
| [02:01:01] | petethepirate: | k-man: that would make more sense. |
| [02:01:18] | petethepirate: | them = ~/.mythtv/lirc |
| [02:01:23] | k-man: | petethepirate, yes, that is where you bind button X to mythtv key keypress Y |
| [02:02:23] | k-man: | iirc, I have linked ~/.lircrc to ~/.mythtv/lircrc as mythtv uses the later, but mplayer uses the former.... |
| [02:02:41] | k-man: | you can put mplayer keys into the file also, so mplayer will work too |
| [02:02:46] | [R]: | mythtv will use ~/.lircrc also |
| [02:02:57] | k-man: | will it? |
| [02:03:42] | [R]: | yup |
| [02:03:50] | k-man: | hmm interesting |
| [02:04:00] | k-man: | not sure why I opted to put it in the mythtv directory |
| [02:06:56] | [R]: | why would you even need a link |
| [02:07:01] | [R]: | you could put hte myth stuff in one file |
| [02:07:03] | [R]: | and other stuff in another |
| [02:07:50] | k-man: | err.... so its all in one file? |
| [02:07:55] | k-man: | I dunno – it works for me |
| [02:12:09] | [R]: | lol |
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| [02:15:31] | Beaver: | So I'm at a loss here. On a DirecTV w/ HD PVR system I have gotten the install configured to the point where I can get into Watch TV but it only displays a black screen with program information. I cannot open DVDs, and the current resolution at 1920x1080 windows look larger than 640x480. Can anyone help? |
| [02:16:07] | [R]: | black screen with program information? |
| [02:16:31] | Beaver: | Yes, with a progress bar underneath. Like it's playing without a video feed. |
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| [02:17:49] | [R]: | no clue what you are saying |
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| [02:18:45] | Beaver: | Okay, it displays the title, the current time and below it the program length and the channel number. |
| [02:18:56] | Beaver: | I can add and cancel bookmarks as well. |
| [02:19:42] | [R]: | what do the logs gay |
| [02:19:51] | Beaver: | No logos are present. |
| [02:19:55] | [R]: | log |
| [02:19:56] | [R]: | not logo |
| [02:19:57] | Beaver: | Only white texts. |
| [02:19:59] | Beaver: | I see |
| [02:20:01] | Beaver: | oops |
| [02:20:15] | Beaver: | And how do I access the logs? |
| [02:20:25] | [R]: | they are where you told thme to be |
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| [02:24:11] | Beaver: | 2011-08–22 22:19:16.127 MediaMonitorUnix::AddDevice() – empty device path. |
| [02:24:46] | Beaver: | 2011-08–22 22:19:15.961 Audio device ALSA:default isn't usable Check audio configuration |
| [02:24:51] | [R]: | polease dotn flood the channel |
| [02:25:17] | Beaver: | Those were the only two I was posting. |
| [02:25:47] | Beaver: | I added the PVR as a device, so why is it showing up as an empty device path? |
| [02:26:15] | [R]: | that has nothing to do with the pvr |
| [02:27:02] | Beaver: | Okay, what's the cause for it? |
| [02:27:11] | [R]: | for what |
| [02:27:50] | Beaver: | For empty device path error. It seems to show up when I attempt to watch TV |
| [02:28:08] | [R]: | everytime? |
| [02:28:16] | [R]: | sure its not when the frontend loads? |
| [02:28:31] | Beaver: | Fairly sure, also when I change channels. |
| [02:31:15] | Beaver: | I have a stack of those errors that corrispond with me attempting to use LiveTV. |
| [02:31:43] | [R]: | well showing 2 lines from the log means nothing |
| [02:33:02] | k-man: | [R], apparantly 2 lines is ok |
| [02:33:08] | [R]: | lol |
| [02:33:40] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: python + mingw = #$%#@$%@# |
| [02:34:07] | Beirdo: | error: Python was built with Visual Studio 2003 |
| [02:34:08] | Beaver: | Alright, we'll try it this way; I have configured the backend to recognise the HDPVR as well as the schedules direct. Live TV is not functioning. What information do you need from me? |
| [02:34:11] | Beirdo: | bite me! |
| [02:34:37] | [R]: | [07:19:42] [R] what do the logs say |
| [02:35:51] | Beirdo: | it says to pass -c mingw32 to setup.py, but rejects it |
| [02:37:33] | wagnerrp: | gay is now a verb? |
| [02:37:56] | Beaver: | I only see a few lines that look odd to me: |
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| [02:38:00] | Beaver: | ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:1018:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave |
| [02:38:01] | Beaver: | 2011-08–22 22:19:15.960 ALSA, Error: snd_pcm_open("default"): No such file or directory |
| [02:38:01] | Beaver: | 2011-08–22 22:19:15.961 Audio device ALSA:default isn't usable Check audio configuration |
| [02:38:17] | Beaver: | However, I don't know how to interpret that. |
| [02:38:30] | [R]: | wagnerrp: i meant say |
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| [02:39:27] | Beaver: | But I don't see anything about inputs or video failures, only audio-related errors. |
| [02:40:03] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: I've heard the gay community use it as a verb before.... "gay it up" for instance |
| [02:41:00] | wagnerrp: | so the logs are 'gaying' something? |
| [02:41:09] | [R]: | lol |
| [02:41:10] | Beirdo: | heheh |
| [02:41:14] | wagnerrp: | i could see justinh's new USB cables gaying it up |
| [02:41:17] | Beirdo: | now that's another story |
| [02:41:42] | wagnerrp: | seriously, male to male A plugs? |
| [02:41:45] | [R]: | lol |
| [02:41:53] | [R]: | omg, i once told my dad i needed a female to female adapter |
| [02:41:58] | [R]: | and my mom asked me if it was a lesbian |
| [02:41:58] | wagnerrp: | youre just headed for all sorts of problems |
| [02:42:48] | wagnerrp: | wouldnt the "adapter" be like a double sided dildo? |
| [02:43:03] | [R]: | ROFL |
| [02:43:38] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [02:43:51] | Beirdo: | that woulda got him slapped I'm sure |
| [02:46:53] | wagnerrp: | cripes.. the jammie thomas vs riaa crap is still going on? |
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| [02:57:48] | mycosys: | u guys knwo how to tell linux not to use a hyperthreaded core? |
| [02:58:05] | wagnerrp: | turn it off in the BIOS |
| [02:58:12] | mycosys: | if u cant do that lol |
| [02:58:18] | wagnerrp: | do it anyway? |
| [02:58:24] | k-man: | why wouldn't you want to use it? |
| [02:58:40] | wagnerrp: | because hyperthreading only helps in certain use cases |
| [02:58:43] | mycosys: | overloading thew server |
| [02:58:49] | k-man: | oh |
| [02:58:57] | mycosys: | hyperthreading makes things much worse in some cases |
| [02:59:00] | wagnerrp: | and the overhead imposed detracts in other cases |
| [02:59:28] | mycosys: | some way to tell linux to only use one core?? |
| [03:00:22] | mycosys: | append 'noht' to thend of grub menu.lst |
| [03:00:26] | mycosys: | awesome |
| [03:00:34] | wagnerrp: | the only way you would disable it would be to reboot, in which case you may as well just disable it in the bios |
| [03:01:17] | mycosys: | not if u dont have physical access to it lol |
| [03:01:38] | wagnerrp: | well... there is that |
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| [03:11:42] | Gibby: | can a backend run in say centos and a fe run on mythbuntu? |
| [03:11:50] | mycosys: | yes |
| [03:11:52] | Gibby: | I would assume yes as long as versions are maintained |
| [03:11:53] | wagnerrp: | sure, why wouldnt you? |
| [03:12:05] | mycosys: | as long as they are exactly the same myth version |
| [03:12:12] | Gibby: | you never know....... |
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| [03:15:25] | skd5aner: | get this... you could even run it on Windows and OS X :-0 (dun dun DUNNNNNN) |
| [03:15:43] | wagnerrp: | well... that would be OS X and Windows |
| [03:15:47] | wagnerrp: | you cant run a backend on Windows |
| [03:16:02] | skd5aner: | who's following order of operations here? |
| [03:16:16] | ** wagnerrp saw no parentheses ** | |
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| [03:40:21] | k-man: | shouldn't the "template" section on this page be on its own page? http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Recordings-ui.xml |
| [03:40:32] | k-man: | the widgets section I mean |
| [03:42:10] | sphery: | maybe it's only windows in the recordings-ui.xml file |
| [03:42:12] | sphery: | ? |
| [03:42:24] | k-man: | oh maybe |
| [03:42:43] | k-man: | err.. no, it's in schedule also |
| [03:42:45] | sphery: | remember, though, I know nothing about mythui/theming |
| [03:43:28] | k-man: | anyway, it took me quite a few minutes to find that page – in fact I thought it wasn't documented as I couldn't find it at first |
| [03:52:04] | iamlindoro: | No, the templated text there should not be on its own page |
| [03:52:22] | iamlindoro: | the concept of templating is covered on the overall theme development page |
| [03:52:38] | iamlindoro: | the templatable text is on the pages where those textareas are usable |
| [03:54:36] | iamlindoro: | Having to go to another page to be able to find the textareas I can use in a given -ui file would irritate the hell out of me |
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| [04:15:36] | ** Beirdo shakes a fist at buildbot ** | |
| [04:16:42] | Beirdo: | trying to bring up a local one so I can test windows builds |
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| [04:18:15] | Beirdo: | I think I got it right, and now it's pulling the git repo |
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| [04:22:44] | Beirdo: | :q |
| [04:23:17] | Beirdo: | wrong window |
| [04:27:52] | Beirdo: | yay. attached. |
| [04:28:03] | Beirdo: | helps when you put the right flippin port number in there |
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| [04:28:45] | ** wagnerrp flips beirdo the port number ** | |
| [04:28:52] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [04:29:07] | Beirdo: | I put 9889 instead of 9989. big surprise, it couldn't connect |
| [04:33:24] | sphery: | newegg is off it's Roku-r |
| [04:33:51] | sphery: | when you do a search for Roku at http://www.newegg.com/ , does it say, 'We have found 0 items that match "978159".' |
| [04:34:17] | iamlindoro: | sphery: How will I manage to find a box to stream to capture to stream to timeshift to watch my NetFlix? |
| [04:34:26] | sphery: | heh |
| [04:35:16] | iamlindoro: | WHY DO YOU F'ING JERKS HATE CONVRGENCE SO MUCH |
| [04:35:26] | iamlindoro: | AND I WANT IT IN 500 MS G D IT |
| [04:35:28] | sphery: | I'm so amazed at that thread |
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| [04:36:26] | Beirdo: | This thread has been brought to you by Stewart J. Pid. This has been a StewPid production. |
| [04:36:56] | wagnerrp: | whoosh |
| [04:37:12] | ** Beirdo continues to watch The Tudors ** | |
| [04:37:13] | k-man: | iamlindoro, ok – but I found that page hard to find – would you object if I put a link from the overall development page to that page? |
| [04:37:17] | wagnerrp: | i had to turn around to catch that one as it flew over my head |
| [04:37:21] | iamlindoro: | k-man: yes |
| [04:37:29] | Beirdo: | it may be slightly fictionalized, but based on history |
| [04:37:29] | sphery: | Beirdo: heh, took me a while to figure that one out |
| [04:37:36] | k-man: | iamlindoro, why? |
| [04:37:41] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [04:37:52] | iamlindoro: | k-man: Because the overall development page already links to those pages |
| [04:38:01] | Beirdo: | sorry, my ole British humour background coming back to haunt me :) |
| [04:38:18] | Beirdo: | That being a rough quote from a Goon Show, IIRC |
| [04:38:40] | iamlindoro: | k-man: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythUI_Theme_Devel . . . _Theme_Files Each filename being a link to the documentation for those pages... |
| [04:39:03] | k-man: | iamlindoro, ok – but all I am saying is that I found it difficult to find – and I'd like to make it easier to find |
| [04:39:33] | iamlindoro: | k-man: And I'm saying the links are already there and nobody has ever had a hard time finding it before you |
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| [04:39:47] | k-man: | iamlindoro, or nobody bothered to mention it |
| [04:40:00] | iamlindoro: | k-man: I'm not interested in arguing, The links are already there |
| [04:40:03] | iamlindoro: | end of story |
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| [04:41:36] | iamlindoro: | k-man: The templated text for those files has no place anywhere but in the documentation for those files. The documentation for those files is linked in a fairly obvious place, and the fact that each is a link is indicated in *bold text* |
| [04:42:18] | k-man: | agreed |
| [04:42:47] | k-man: | but "generic attributes used in most windows" is not specific to recordings-ui.xml |
| [04:43:09] | iamlindoro: | k-man: They're generic attributes used in most windows *of that file* |
| [04:43:15] | iamlindoro: | Let it go |
| [04:43:28] | iamlindoro: | Read the note box |
| [04:44:05] | k-man: | yes, I see that now |
| [04:44:25] | k-man: | but may I just give one example without annoying you further? |
| [04:44:45] | iamlindoro: | It's highly doubtful that you can prevent annoying me further if you continue |
| [04:45:07] | k-man: | ok |
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| [04:47:54] | sphery: | heh, "1080p HD quality" – http://www.roku.com/roku-products |
| [04:48:02] | sphery: | since when is a resolution a measure of quality |
| [04:48:18] | sphery: | low-bitrate 1080p is /not/ my definition of quality |
| [04:48:34] | wagnerrp: | just look at those broken 1080p images that come with arclight |
| [04:48:45] | wagnerrp: | theres like 12 pixels there, there must be something wrong with them |
| [04:48:46] | wagnerrp: | :) |
| [04:48:55] | iamlindoro: | Hey, they're in glorious 160x90! |
| [04:49:39] | iamlindoro: | If you have a bionic eye, they're a retina display! |
| [04:50:19] | sphery: | heh |
| [04:50:50] | sphery: | did you hear the new ipad will have a "retina" display of 2048x1536? |
| [04:51:17] | ** wagnerrp is still waiting for his retinal implant ** | |
| [04:51:18] | sphery: | that has to be significantly lower dpi than the iphone 4, though |
| [04:51:26] | wagnerrp: | they LIED to me |
| [04:51:37] | wagnerrp: | just like they LIED when they told me that was a 3D TV |
| [04:55:12] | ** wagnerrp suggests sphery read the fourth sentence in this paragraph... http://members.fortunecity.com/erniescourses/august.html ** | |
| [04:55:39] | sphery: | heh |
| [04:56:59] | sphery: | if they were a fine, upstanding golf course, they'd use the scissors on the entire green, fairway, and rough |
| [04:57:52] | sphery: | (and an over-zealous golf course would even use them for maintaining the underbrush, etc, in the trees and all the out-of-bounds areas) |
| [05:03:40] | k-man: | on this page: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Schedule-ui.xml#Schedule_UI_Windows the example is: <template>%TITLE% (%YEAR&) – %DESCRIPTION%</template> is the ampersand a typo? |
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| [05:36:44] | k-man: | so I'm getting this poor kerning problem with CartoGothic on my theme, but only on linux |
| [05:37:16] | k-man: | it seems fine on my mac. any suggestions as to how I could work out what the problem is? |
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| [05:48:21] | stuartm: | yes, the ampersand is a type |
| [05:48:23] | stuartm: | typo |
| [05:48:28] | stuartm: | just like that was |
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| [06:21:27] | k-man: | ok, fixed |
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| [06:22:37] | k-man: | so with the template thing in the theme, if you wanted to something like %TITLE%: %SUBTITLE% is there some way to hide the colon if %SUBTITLE% is empty? |
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| [06:28:48] | justinh: | k-man: don't think so but I hope I'm wrong :) |
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| [08:05:52] | Beirdo: | argh |
| [08:06:06] | Beirdo: | I'm getting pissed at msys :) |
| [08:06:13] | Beirdo: | do what I say! |
| [08:06:38] | wagnerrp: | yeah yeah |
| [08:06:45] | wagnerrp: | been there, abandoned that |
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| [08:08:39] | Beirdo: | well, I'm trying to get this buildbot goin |
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| [08:10:20] | Beirdo: | right now, tar won't exec gzip... makin no sense |
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| [09:07:22] | EvilGuru: | Does anyone know if Hauppauge have any DVB-T2 products in the works? |
| [09:07:40] | EvilGuru: | Currently all I can find is the PCTV 290e USB stick (which has some support) |
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| [10:20:07] | justinh: | EvilGuru: prolly safe to assume so but there's a dearth of chipsets because of demand for TVs & PVRs |
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| [10:30:18] | stuartm: | I really want a PCI-e device |
| [10:31:03] | stuartm: | but I guess USB has wider appeal, hence why they went with a USB version to begin with |
| [10:34:54] | EvilGuru: | USB is okay so long as it does not require an external power adapter |
| [10:35:01] | seeker: | Is there a disadvantage to using USB tuners? |
| [10:38:13] | stuartm: | no, apart from the fact that they sit outside the box making it messy and in the case of 'stick' types, dangerously vulnerable to knocks – easy to damage a USB port or break the device |
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| [10:45:29] | justinh: | stuartm: looking fwd to seeing the dvb-t2 HDHR :) |
| [10:45:34] | justinh: | no driver mess |
| [10:47:09] | stuartm: | true, just 2–3x the price of another tuner |
| [10:47:38] | justinh: | oh I dunno, having seen the price of the dvb-t2 sticks |
| [10:47:40] | stuartm: | at least HDHRs always were at least that much more |
| [10:48:06] | justinh: | I think the dvb-t HDHR is only about £100 on top of a dvb-t2 stick |
| [10:48:07] | seeker: | Anyone using freeview HD with mythtv yet? |
| [10:48:15] | justinh: | seeker: nobody here |
| [10:48:25] | justinh: | folks on the users ML are |
| [10:48:38] | seeker: | Don't think it is active in my area until 2012 |
| [10:48:41] | justinh: | using some far-out driver contraption |
| [10:48:49] | seeker: | Heh |
| [10:49:24] | justinh: | I know I've always been 'don't care about open or not if it works' but that dvb-t2 stick driver stuff just seems stupid |
| [10:50:23] | justinh: | plus everything seems to be hearsay right now. haven't seen any definitive facts |
| [10:50:32] | stuartm: | we get Freeview HD in a week |
| [10:51:03] | stuartm: | but since I'm already using DVB-S2 it wouldn't give me anything I don't already have |
| [10:51:52] | seeker: | 18th April 2012 here |
| [10:52:29] | stuartm: | and when the HD versions of ITV 2–4, E4, More4 etc go FTA they will only be available on Freesat since there isn't the room on Freeview |
| [10:53:26] | seeker: | Given the bitrate they have assigned to E4 on normal freeview, I can't see the HD version being particularly watchable |
| [10:54:10] | stuartm: | aye, hardly promising |
| [10:54:28] | stuartm: | not that I record much, if anything, from E4 these days |
| [10:54:58] | stuartm: | or any other channel ... there is currently nothing worth watching on any channel |
| [10:55:22] | stuartm: | well, one or two exceptions, but it's pretty dire |
| [10:55:46] | justinh: | The Daily WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO with Jon Stewart |
| [10:56:01] | seeker: | I tend to record how i met your mother, family guy, |
| [10:56:06] | seeker: | Big bang theory |
| [10:56:27] | EvilGuru: | justinh: Isn't that More4? |
| [10:56:31] | seeker: | American dad, Simpsons, malcom in the middle |
| [10:56:35] | seeker: | That's about it |
| [10:57:13] | seeker: | Oh. How could I forget doctor who |
| [10:57:30] | stuartm: | I watched the Daily Show for a while, that got old very quickly and not to mention pretty depressing (if you think our politicians are bad they look like supermen in comparison to US politicians and politics) |
| [10:57:34] | justinh: | easy. it's crap |
| [10:57:50] | stuartm: | it's certainly not The West Wing :( |
| [10:58:47] | justinh: | speaking of The Daily Woooooooooooooooooooooooo with Jon Stewart where the hell is the listing for it? |
| [10:59:19] | justinh: | I have listings for More4 |
| [10:59:55] | justinh: | has it been axed? is it on holiday? |
| [11:02:05] | justinh: | nothing in the next 14 days. strange |
| [11:04:45] | EvilGuru: | I still want the HD version of five, if only for the films |
| [11:05:18] | EvilGuru: | HD version of Film4 would be ideal, although I can not see that any time soon |
| [11:06:13] | justinh: | sod HD. I just want to never see mpeg artifacts again :) |
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| [11:15:43] | stuartm: | EvilGuru: Five HD, and Film4 HD would be great |
| [11:16:06] | stuartm: | even better if they'd stop putting adverts in during films ... |
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| [11:23:55] | seeker: | Are adverts broadcast in HD on the HD channels? |
| [11:26:32] | stuartm: | they are broadcast in HD, though I don't know if they are all filmed in HD – what little I've seen suggests that most are |
| [11:27:09] | stuartm: | I don't think I've seen a full TV advert in 5 years |
| [11:27:25] | stuartm: | I really don't miss them either |
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| [11:34:05] | EvilGuru: | only adverts I see are on news channels that I watch live |
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| [12:03:23] | justinh: | you watch Sky news? eew |
| [12:03:31] | Seeker`: | I don't suppose there is a way to sort recordings by the new metadata that is associated with them? |
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| [12:15:23] | justinh: | oof missed a load of HP Android tablets under £90 at PC World |
| [12:16:25] | justinh: | they all went in about 90 minutes |
| [12:16:39] | bindi: | yeah i'm hunting one atm |
| [12:17:28] | justinh: | try ebay, for about double the sale price |
| [12:17:32] | justinh: | :D |
| [12:17:32] | EvilGuru: | justinh: BBC tend to have poor coverage of current events, riots, libya, although they did a good job with phone hacking |
| [12:17:35] | justinh: | stupid ebay |
| [12:18:11] | justinh: | EvilGuru: yeah I tried to catch up with the rioting but all the BBC had was the same loop of the BBC Radio manchester car on fire |
| [12:18:32] | justinh: | their journos/camerafolk just don't have the nuts |
| [12:18:45] | justinh: | Sly were right in amongst it all |
| [12:18:46] | EvilGuru: | or they just switched to a random 10 minute special on otters returning to Kent |
| [12:19:40] | EvilGuru: | only bad thing about sky is Kay Burley |
| [12:20:54] | justinh: | heh. I had Click bumped to 4.30am on a Sunday so it was less likely to be spoiled.. but they still spoil it :-\ |
| [12:21:48] | stuartm: | justinh: the reason they were selling those so cheap is because no-one can shift them otherwise, apparently they clogging up stock rooms all over the place |
| [12:21:59] | stuartm: | that said, for under £90 I'd have one |
| [12:22:16] | stuartm: | since that price point is reasonable, the normal price isn't IMHO |
| [12:22:35] | stuartm: | I thought their tablets ran WebOS though, not Android |
| [12:22:51] | GreyFoxx: | I'd happily buy a decent tablet for $99 or less, but not way would I pay $300+. |
| [12:22:52] | Seeker`: | there are attempts to get it running android |
| [12:22:58] | stuartm: | I'd especially want one without Android spyware |
| [12:23:14] | GreyFoxx: | Stuart: They did run WebOS, but apparently as of this morning Android has been ported to it |
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| [12:24:00] | GreyFoxx: | http://www.pcworld.com/article/238617/touchdr . . . tablets.html |
| [12:24:05] | stuartm: | GreyFoxx: understandable given that WebOS is officially DOA |
| [12:24:37] | stuartm: | but still I don't like the Google side of Android |
| [12:24:48] | laga: | stuartm: running cyanogenmod without google apps does not have spyware |
| [12:24:58] | laga: | that's what i have on my phone |
| [12:25:03] | laga: | with the f-droid FLOSS app market |
| [12:25:18] | justinh: | stuartm: make a cheap internet radio for the bedroom :) |
| [12:25:40] | ** justinh doesn't trust anything with cyanogenmod in its name ** | |
| [12:25:52] | justinh: | it's got 1337 haxx0r written through it |
| [12:25:54] | stuartm: | I'd use a tablet for basic stuff, web browsing and note taking, I'm sure WebOS would do the job just fine |
| [12:26:12] | GreyFoxx: | I want one for basic browsing, notes, and a document reader |
| [12:26:23] | justinh: | I keep trying all these 'custom RomZ' on my droid phone & they all suck ass |
| [12:26:24] | GreyFoxx: | and if it's got a camera some sort of video chat |
| [12:26:29] | justinh: | one even overclocked it ffs |
| [12:26:51] | GreyFoxx: | just: I'm Very happy with Wolfbreaks Gingerbread rom on my Xperia X10. |
| [12:27:02] | stuartm: | justinh: if you see any more of them being off-loaded cheap I'd appreciate a heads-up |
| [12:27:31] | justinh: | ZTEBLADE-Cust0mR0M5-f00b@r.0v3rc10ck3d.br 1ckedph0ne.7z |
| [12:27:48] | stuartm: | my netbook is dead, well the battery is dead and replacing it would cost more than buying a £90 tablet ;) |
| [12:28:15] | justinh: | and the bloody android forums for ROMs.. ugh. wade through page after page of reams of retarded comments. (see modaco.net) |
| [12:28:51] | justinh: | and not ONE of the sites tells you what you have to do in terms of what to enable etc to make your own |
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| [12:29:08] | justinh: | sure you can download a bunch of stock stuff, but what needs turned on etc?! |
| [12:29:30] | laga: | i have cooked my own rom to enable usb debug mode for my desire Z. screen is dead there. |
| [12:29:33] | laga: | so, not too hard ;) |
| [12:29:43] | laga: | just loop-mount the thing and go ahead |
| [12:30:07] | justinh: | when it's a dodgy cable box I bought from DodgyDave on Ebay I don't really care what software I run.. but a phone?! Pfft |
| [12:31:03] | justinh: | anyway I'm beginning to tire of having to charge my phone every night |
| [12:31:54] | justinh: | when everyone started using USB connectors I thought "yay at last a standard connector".. but have you tried plugging a microUSB in, in the dark? |
| [12:32:29] | justinh: | hand-frying wireless charging FTW |
| [12:34:11] | justinh: | and no droid phone can even begin to rock as much as an iPhone, sorry. I've played with a few smartphones & not one of the droids, not even the expensive ones seem to have got the knack of never lagging |
| [12:35:08] | justinh: | my sister got a 'free' (for that read £35 a month) HTC thing worth over £400 without SIM card and it SUCKS |
| [12:35:13] | gordian: | Hi, im using spdif for audio out. When im not in mythtv i can controll the volume of the sound with for example alsamixer if the source file is stereo. If it is ac3 then i want passthrough and then i can only manage the volume with my external soundsystem. In mythtv i can only manage the volume with my external sound system. I want to controll the volume with mythtv when i have a stereo sound file and with my sound system when its some |
| [12:35:15] | Tim_____: | Hey, just wondering if you can point me in the direction of some quality troubleshooting info on testing capture cards. I have 2 identical but one has mysteriously stopped working. |
| [12:35:15] | gordian: | ac3. Is this possible? |
| [12:35:21] | justinh: | and this, the dual CPU phone! |
| [12:36:10] | justinh: | Tim_____: wake card up, see if it works. job done |
| [12:36:48] | justinh: | lspci.. if it shows up.. it may still be good. unload the modules.. reload the modules.. see dmesg.. if both cards are still listed.. maybe they both still work... |
| [12:37:48] | justinh: | if they both show up under dmesg as being registered correctly & nothing else is using them and still only one seems to work.. then I'd probably say it's faulty or there's a funky driver problem you got in an update which stops 2 of the same device working properly |
| [12:37:50] | Tim_____: | Thx justin. Didn't think of unloading and reloading the modules. Old machine has charged along for a few years without so much as a peep til recently... |
| [12:38:15] | simcop2387: | gordian: my understanding is that it can only be done without doing spdif passthrough, e.g. you have to decode the stream to do it. that will be more cpu required but you may be able to do it. |
| [12:38:38] | justinh: | resampling audio isn't exactly CPU intensive |
| [12:38:42] | EvilGuru: | gordian: Just change the volume control that myth uses |
| [12:38:48] | justinh: | unless your CPU is an Atom. LOL |
| [12:40:29] | hashbang: | justinh: http://www.bleedingcool.com/2011/01/08/how-to . . . e-in-the-uk/ |
| [12:40:30] | EvilGuru: | justinh: You |
| [12:40:36] | EvilGuru: | *You're kidding, right |
| [12:41:02] | EvilGuru: | Doing resampling right will take 50% of one core of my i7 |
| [12:41:30] | justinh: | EvilGuru: really? LOL |
| [12:41:51] | justinh: | oh doing it *RIGHT* not the quick & dirty thing ALSA does |
| [12:41:53] | hashbang: | justinh: the HP Tabs are WebOS; the Android port hasn't been started yet. |
| [12:42:13] | EvilGuru: | justinh: Yeah using libsamplerate's high quality sinc filter |
| [12:42:38] | justinh: | hashbang: hey don't shoot the messenger :-) |
| [12:43:22] | justinh: | I think even the PC World site said they were androidish |
| [12:44:01] | EvilGuru: | Not sure what myth does for SRC, I just force it to output 48kHz |
| [12:44:39] | hashbang: | justinh: my OH got a free Wildfire S on a £15 pcm/24 mo contract (250mins, 5000txt, 500MB data) from Tesco. Seems like a decent improvement on my 18 month old HTC Hero. |
| [12:44:47] | EvilGuru: | Then pulse takes care of converting it to either 44.1 or 96 and mixing it |
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| [12:45:18] | justinh: | EvilGuru: do you even notice a difference sinc'ing it? |
| [12:45:47] | EvilGuru: | Yes, especially when it comes to higher freqs |
| [12:46:02] | justinh: | bah, so if More4 have dropped the daily woooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo then I guess I won't be watching it again |
| [12:46:14] | justinh: | I am NOT resorting to watching anything on |
| [12:46:16] | justinh: | line |
| [12:46:18] | EvilGuru: | I my old system I had an Audigy2 + hw mixing to 48kHz which did an awful job |
| [12:46:33] | justinh: | oo look – tearing! |
| [12:46:48] | EvilGuru: | so now I just use pulseaudio + spdif and it is far better |
| [12:46:52] | justinh: | can we all just start saying NO to flash now? I mean seriously |
| [12:47:02] | hashbang: | justinh: supposedly, Flash uses GL vsync, but it still tears for me. |
| [12:47:24] | justinh: | watching TV on a PC just stinks anyway |
| [12:47:37] | justinh: | on a PC display anyway.. it's just wrong |
| [12:47:57] | ** EvilGuru nearly always has news on in the background ** | |
| [12:48:14] | justinh: | good god that must be like Groundhog half hour |
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| [12:48:57] | justinh: | or am I being victim to another BBC-ism again? ;-) |
| [12:51:13] | justinh: | hashbang: anyway my Orange SF is mostly pretty good apart from the really poor ringer volume, totally feeble vibrate, awful screen brightness & disappointing battery life. I can live with the camera being gash |
| [12:51:36] | justinh: | most of those bad points are things which plague nearly all modern phones, so I'm led to believe |
| [12:51:52] | justinh: | feeble vibrate & poor ringer volume.. |
| [12:52:24] | hashbang: | justinh: on max for each, my Hero seems fine for ringer volume and brightness, and vibrate's OK too |
| [12:52:29] | justinh: | my last Nokia, God rest its soul.. scared me out of my skin when it rang if it was in my pocket |
| [12:53:02] | justinh: | prolly a bigger phone than mine.,. more room for a big weight & speaker |
| [12:53:04] | hashbang: | justinh: battery life is a day, maybe two if I disabled my RSS reader syncing ~1000 articles over Wifi before I leave work each afternoon. |
| [12:53:24] | justinh: | oh and the wifi doesn't stay connected. once the phone sleeps.. uh oh |
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| [12:53:34] | hashbang: | justinh: on the upside, a spare battery was only ~£13, so I carry a charged one nearly all the time. |
| [12:53:55] | justinh: | I can get more than a day on one charge, but I wouldn't leave the house with it if I hadn't charged it the night before |
| [12:54:10] | justinh: | I only ever cheap ones cos I don't even want a bloody mobile |
| [12:54:35] | hashbang: | justinh: ah, the wifi sleep thing is fixable. Install 'Spare Parts', look at 'Wifi sleep policy' |
| [12:54:37] | justinh: | reminds me.. I need to top up today |
| [12:54:52] | justinh: | hashbang: it's not. believe me |
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| [12:54:58] | stuartm: | 24 news is awful, whenever something happens you get hours of usually incorrect 'facts' and pointless speculation culminating frequently in an anti-headline e.g. "Gaddafi has fled Libya", "Gaddafi has fled Libya, possibly to Syria", "Gaddafi, his three camels and two donkeys have fled to Syria, Switzerland or Antarctica", "Experts say that Gaddafi's camels will not survive his exile in Antarctica", "Gaddafi's camels presumed dead", " |
| [12:55:00] | stuartm: | Gaddafi has not fled Libya and his camels are grazing outside Tripoli" |
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| [12:56:04] | justinh: | I bet not one of these rogue image-mongers has ever tried to look in the phone's syslog to find out what's really going on |
| [12:56:20] | EvilGuru: | and there I was thinking he had Llamas |
| [12:56:22] | hashbang: | justinh: gosh, so it is. Sucks for you. It was fixable on my Hero. :-) |
| [12:56:54] | justinh: | it doesn't really bother me that the wifi is flaky |
| [12:57:07] | justinh: | it bothers me that 3G is awful though |
| [12:57:17] | hashbang: | justinh: http://code.google.com/p/mylockforandroid/dow . . . can=2&q= supposedly fixes it, according to http://code.google.com/p/mylockforandroid/dow . . . can=2&q= |
| [12:57:20] | justinh: | it's like.. dialup |
| [12:57:31] | hashbang: | justinh: I think that's Orange's 3G. Sucked on my K800i, too. |
| [12:57:38] | justinh: | I changed to giffgaff |
| [12:57:45] | justinh: | sped up a lot but it's still awful |
| [12:57:52] | hashbang: | justinh: T-Mobile's is pretty good, providing they don't bar you semi-arbitrarily from using HSDPA |
| [12:58:14] | justinh: | it doesn't help that the proxy effort is now re-encoding images |
| [12:58:22] | justinh: | the data rate isn't the problem IMHO |
| [12:58:38] | justinh: | except when it is :) |
| [12:58:43] | hashbang: | justinh: I think T-Mo still throttle HSDPA to about 1.8Mbps, but that's enough for a phone, before the CPU/IO seems to tap out. |
| [12:59:04] | justinh: | DNs resolution takes ages |
| [12:59:15] | justinh: | then the actual page loading.. jesus |
| [12:59:26] | hashbang: | justinh: GiffGaff are O2, and I keep hearing complaints about their 3G being overloaded. |
| [13:00:05] | justinh: | I'll be able to say I had a go, but it sucked. now give me a proper mobile *telephone* |
| [13:00:31] | justinh: | it's funny but the things I thought would bother me just haven't. the UI is nice, responsive & all that |
| [13:00:38] | ** hashbang barely uses his mobile as a phone. ** | |
| [13:01:13] | justinh: | I use mine mostly for text. the times I use it for browsing when I'm out & about it gets so close to being kerbed you wouldn't believe |
| [13:01:42] | justinh: | what? another person leaving? Christ, that's 4 this month! |
| [13:01:58] | hashbang: | justinh: my OH's has, I think, 4x the RAM of my Hero. That helps a lot as it stops apps being killed and restarted. |
| [13:02:16] | justinh: | 3 software guys, a product manager.. oh wait there are more.. and the head of HW development. oh dear |
| [13:02:50] | justinh: | hashbang: running out of ram isn't the issue. whatever they do to webpage serving is buggering it all up |
| [13:03:13] | justinh: | I'm loathe to change networks again |
| [13:03:41] | hashbang: | justinh: https://market.android.com/details?id=com.bladewififix&hl=en |
| [13:03:47] | justinh: | like I said, UI-wise the phone is pretty snappy most of the time.. and when it's not it's generally because I left a browser open |
| [13:03:51] | justinh: | hashbang: also doesn't work |
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| [13:04:23] | justinh: | but when my sister unboxed her new HTC at my house the other week.. the *dialler* was unbelievably sluggish |
| [13:04:35] | justinh: | like 500ms lag or something |
| [13:04:59] | justinh: | not what I want in a phone that costs so much dosh |
| [13:05:03] | hashbang: | justinh: yeah, sometimes my Hero is quite laggy when I'm trying to do something realtime, like accept a call. |
| [13:05:24] | justinh: | methinks Apple were onto something not allowing multitasking |
| [13:05:25] | hashbang: | justinh: I can kinda see where Apple are coming from with their "no multitasking for third-party apps" policy |
| [13:05:28] | hashbang: | *snap* |
| [13:06:25] | justinh: | I gave up on the official FB app. they made it completely unusable & now it seems they deliberately slow down API responses to other apps |
| [13:07:08] | hashbang: | justinh: can't say I've noticed that effect myself |
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| [13:07:51] | justinh: | oh – and when my phone got a bit laggy last month – I uninstalled google+. Phone was back to its old self immediately |
| [13:08:25] | justinh: | all this stuff is all very well & good.. but just not good *enough* |
| [13:08:38] | justinh: | and it appears that not even paying loads of money gets you good enough |
| [13:09:35] | hashbang: | justinh: the Wildfire S is probably the first, OOTB Android device that felt release quality to me, both in terms of hardware and software. |
| [13:10:18] | justinh: | yeah but it's like £££ |
| [13:10:39] | hashbang: | justinh: compared with? |
| [13:10:44] | justinh: | I set a limit of £300 or so, either to buy without SIM or in terms of contract costs for the 1st year |
| [13:11:14] | hashbang: | 15*12=180. |
| [13:11:32] | justinh: | so I set out & looked at all the sub-300 phones I could find. then I saw the orange SF & the videos of it seemed to show it wasn't laggy or sucky like some of the £200-£400 phones were |
| [13:12:07] | justinh: | I've read about people's phones *crashing* when they go to accept a call. jees if my phone did that even once I'd bin it |
| [13:12:19] | justinh: | well ok maybe twice |
| [13:12:31] | hashbang: | justinh: nope, not seen that with my Hero |
| [13:12:39] | hashbang: | justinh: that would be a showstopper |
| [13:12:57] | justinh: | hashbang: anyway, you know how much I spend on calls etc? cos I can't remember when I last topped up with a tenner |
| [13:12:58] | hashbang: | justinh: TBH, I think a lot of grief is caused by people installing crappy apps |
| [13:13:11] | hashbang: | justinh: heh, fair enough |
| [13:13:16] | justinh: | it was at least 2 months ago |
| [13:13:42] | hashbang: | justinh: I was spending £10–15 pcm on 100–150 texts with Orange PAYG, so £15 pcm for 300m/unltd txt/3GB data was a no-brainer for me. |
| [13:13:50] | justinh: | don't get me wrong, the sub hundred quids smartphone isn't all pap – certainly not compared to the £300 ones I've seen |
| [13:13:57] | justinh: | 3GB a month? hahaha |
| [13:14:22] | hashbang: | justinh: it still is 3GB, until the end of Feb, for me. :-) |
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| [13:14:34] | justinh: | but it ain't no shiny shiny, mega fast bling experience like the iPhone. only problem there being Apple, iTunes etc.. oh and the expense |
| [13:14:45] | hashbang: | justinh: most data FUPs are 500MB or less. |
| [13:15:00] | hashbang: | justinh: and T-Mo don't charge if you go over, just throttle |
| [13:15:06] | justinh: | I don't go easy on data & I'm hard-rpessed to use more than 150MB |
| [13:15:29] | hashbang: | justinh: yeah, I'm usually 50–150MB/mo, but used an extra 500MB when I was in London one weekend. |
| [13:16:05] | justinh: | hell if I go over 200MB I think I might flatten the battery |
| [13:16:19] | justinh: | oh, and it makes a great £10 satnav :-) |
| [13:16:32] | justinh: | and GPS training gadget |
| [13:16:46] | hashbang: | justinh: some of that was probably my RSS reader syncing overnight whilst on a charger (too tight-fisted to pay for hotel wifi!) |
| [13:17:15] | justinh: | hotel wifi.. 'only' £10 per day |
| [13:18:43] | hashbang: | justinh: not convinced by Google Nav. Sygic seems OK, though. Tom Tom still best dashboard UI+voice, though. |
| [13:19:05] | justinh: | tomtom android app?! |
| [13:19:18] | hashbang: | nope, real hardware TomTom |
| [13:19:22] | justinh: | haha |
| [13:21:24] | hashbang: | justinh: I see even TomTom's low-end models include real-time traffic now, I guess over a private 3G connection. They must be hurting a bit, given Google Nav etc. |
| [13:21:57] | justinh: | never really seen much point in real-time traffic info |
| [13:22:11] | justinh: | there generally isn't more than one way to places I go |
| [13:22:28] | hashbang: | justinh: the RDS stuff seems pants, as it's only motorway-level in the UK |
| [13:22:36] | justinh: | rule of thumb: avoid the M6 near Brum if it's not the middle of the night |
| [13:22:46] | hashbang: | justinh: potentially handy in city centres, though |
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| [13:23:16] | justinh: | maybe, if you don't know your way around somewhere like Manchester, where even the signage is arrogant |
| [13:23:43] | justinh: | oh you want to go to X? it's this way .... now this way... and then that way... and now we're not telling you anymore |
| [13:23:45] | ** hashbang shudders at the memory of driving in central London, once. ** | |
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| [13:25:09] | justinh: | I've done that a couple of times. compares to Manchester quite well, only with more courteous drivers |
| [13:25:22] | hashbang: | *facepalm* |
| [13:25:25] | justinh: | way better signage too |
| [13:25:35] | hashbang: | remind me to /never/ drive in Manc. :-) |
| [13:25:55] | justinh: | seriously. they *never* let you in |
| [13:26:22] | hashbang: | worst thing I found was traffic covering up the lane markings on the road, which meant I ended up driving along the lane separator, only to get beeped when I committed at the last minute. |
| [13:26:43] | EvilGuru: | central london is just a nightmare |
| [13:26:45] | justinh: | getting beeped? you're lucky |
| [13:26:54] | justinh: | try being followed. LOL |
| [13:27:27] | justinh: | or, as when I did a bit of exploring when I moved down to manchester... driving around at night to get the lie of the land... being followed |
| [13:28:51] | hashbang: | <blatant north-ism>I guess Londoners are too busy having jobs to go to than be bothered following people</north-ism> |
| [13:29:06] | justinh: | talk about a quick way to learn where the nearest police station is :D |
| [13:29:20] | hashbang: | assuming it wasn't plain clothes. :-) |
| [13:31:40] | justinh: | I assumed it wasn't, in a lowered car fitted with twin baked bean tin exhausts, seats rammed full of youths with peachfuzz tashes |
| [13:32:58] | justinh: | it's such a nice city really. Honest |
| [13:33:09] | justinh: | if you like paying £400 a year over the odds for your insurance |
| [13:35:18] | hashbang: | heh |
| [13:39:13] | justinh: | an agency I spoke to thought I was quite mad going for a job that involved a cut in salary til I explained it wasn't a cut |
| [13:39:39] | justinh: | sure the number was lower but I'd have to travel less far, and since I'd live in an NE or DH postcode my costs of living would be reduced |
| [13:40:02] | justinh: | not that the job actually existed but hey that's an agency thing |
| [13:41:30] | justinh: | leaving presentation I've just been to basically went "sorry this place made you feel like leaving" |
| [13:41:49] | hashbang: | bear in mind that a lot of the folks working for agencies are probably 20-somethings still living at home with little life experience |
| [13:41:53] | justinh: | people are even quitting without anything else lined up, it's that bad |
| [13:42:04] | justinh: | hashbang: bear in mind nothing. they're scum |
| [13:42:50] | justinh: | hmmmkay, since installing ubuntu on my desktop machine & printing out a test page.. I haven't needed to print anything.. and now I find I can't |
| [13:42:52] | hashbang: | justinh: one once thought that a £1–2K gross pay rise was enough to make me leave an employer with whom I had (then) £100K+ in share options. |
| [13:43:06] | justinh: | heh |
| [13:43:26] | justinh: | advertising made up posts should definitely be against the law |
| [13:43:51] | hashbang: | (suffice it to say that they fell somewhat before I was able to sell them. Still made about 2000x what I put in, though) :-) |
| [13:44:42] | hashbang: | justinh: windows print server? changed your domain username/password? |
| [13:45:00] | justinh: | changed my password? LOL |
| [13:45:14] | hashbang: | 1234? |
| [13:45:26] | justinh: | I had the IT guy disable that enforcement on my account |
| [13:46:17] | justinh: | wow. made a duplicate of the non-working printer, selected the dupe & printed a test page fine |
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| [13:48:19] | justinh: | we use windows printing here but apparently we linux users just need to add a lpd://172.x.x.x.x/passthru effort |
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| [13:58:46] | Tim_____: | Quick question – mythtv has just started refusing to use more than one card at a time... Can anyone point me in the direction of a good place to look into this? |
| [13:59:02] | justinh: | nah it's just crapping out on the jobs I send it. back to windows I go |
| [13:59:15] | hashbang: | Tim_____: mythtv-setup |
| [13:59:58] | hashbang: | Tim_____: also, have you rebooted recently? If so, your tuner cards might have juggled around. Load the modules with adapter_nr=n,m options to fix their slots |
| [14:00:32] | Tim_____: | Yeah, have been playing around with input groups.... Nothing seems to be helping. Found only one thread on mythtvtalk that made that suggestion. |
| [14:01:41] | justinh: | ignore mythtvtalk.com, FWIW |
| [14:02:03] | justinh: | lots of clueless questions. about 1 or 2 people giving answers |
| [14:02:09] | Tim_____: | I've removed the adapters from mythtv and reset them up, tried setting up a new epg feed. |
| [14:02:54] | Tim_____: | Yeah, got there via google. It's either that or Ubuntu forums from a search engine... |
| [14:03:26] | justinh: | so do both cards take the same video/signals ? |
| [14:03:38] | justinh: | both looking at the same thing? etc? |
| [14:03:51] | Tim_____: | Yep, exactly the same. |
| [14:04:09] | justinh: | and these tuners are? |
| [14:04:09] | Tim_____: | Separately they both work fine, but for some reason they don't want to play together. |
| [14:04:26] | Tim_____: | Leadtek PCI "DTV-1000 T" |
| [14:04:36] | Tim_____: | About four years old. |
| [14:04:37] | EvilGuru: | Tim_____: Do the logs say anything of interest? |
| [14:04:38] | justinh: | so dvb-t then |
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| [14:04:55] | justinh: | EvilGuru: never ask the user if the logs say anything of interest. Just ask to see the log :) |
| [14:05:21] | justinh: | remember how all those plain English error messages just don't grab anybody's attention ;) |
| [14:05:53] | Tim_____: | Yes. I really haven't been able to find anything in the logs – can pastebin them if you like. |
| [14:05:58] | EvilGuru: | kids these days, when I was a young'n the first thing you'd do when something broke was check the logs |
| [14:06:23] | justinh: | Tim_____: backend log would be the only place anything pertinent would show up |
| [14:06:39] | justinh: | kids these days, they expect everything to just work (tm) when they install linux! |
| [14:07:37] | EvilGuru: | I remember when you had to recompile a kernel to get your network adapter to work |
| [14:07:45] | EvilGuru: | ...oh wait, I had to do that yesterday |
| [14:08:02] | justinh: | cue the Yorskhiremen speech from Monty Python, but with linux-isms |
| [14:08:21] | hashbang: | EvilGuru: oh yeah? I remember when I had to recompile a kernel to get my main CMD640 IDE controller to not corrupt the attached discs. |
| [14:08:27] | mycosys: | i dont understand why linux is supposed to do stuff windows never has, or it isnt as good |
| [14:08:54] | EvilGuru: | Nearly always buggy hardware |
| [14:09:01] | mycosys: | just because it has and supports so much without stuffing around like you have to in windows, they expect it will be like that with everything |
| [14:09:09] | Tim_____: | Actually, one line in the backend log 'might' be pertinent: "DTVSM(/dev/dvb/adapter1/frontend0) Error: Wrong PMT; pmt->pn(550) desired(545)" |
| [14:09:19] | justinh: | Tim_____: then you need to rescan |
| [14:09:24] | EvilGuru: | Tim_____: Last time I got that was because the transports changed |
| [14:09:25] | mycosys: | Tim_____: pastbin it |
| [14:09:35] | EvilGuru: | you do not just want to rescan, you also need to nuke the transports |
| [14:09:43] | EvilGuru: | (which rescanning doesn't do for some reason) |
| [14:09:50] | hashbang: | mycosys: I tell people to think of out-of-distro drivers, packages etc as being like being able to use Microsoft's internal private build of Windows. |
| [14:10:12] | hashbang: | mycosys: if they want JFW, buy things that are on the HCL for your chosen distro. |
| [14:10:21] | mycosys: | lol yup |
| [14:10:29] | Tim_____: | Okay EvilGuru, I literally just rescanned to no avail but nuking transports could be meaningful.... |
| [14:10:31] | mycosys: | or at least do some bloody research |
| [14:10:50] | EvilGuru: | the best thing to happen to Linux is Windows XP |
| [14:10:58] | mycosys: | LOL |
| [14:11:11] | EvilGuru: | it is so nice and outdated, yet systems still have to be able to boot and run its installer |
| [14:11:11] | mycosys: | the best thing to happen to linux is the web |
| [14:11:25] | hashbang: | EvilGuru: I'd say W95; ISA hardware basically died, and memory and CPU got a hell of a lot cheaper virtually overnight. |
| [14:11:36] | EvilGuru: | been years since I've not been able to install Linux on a box |
| [14:11:49] | mycosys: | trudat EvilGuru |
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| [14:12:05] | mycosys: | but the web really made linux |
| [14:12:25] | hashbang: | mycosys: ITYM 'usenet news' |
| [14:12:33] | mycosys: | doze was awful at it, and mac servers were too pricey and cantankerous |
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| [14:13:13] | Tim_____: | @EvilGuru – nube clarification – by nuking transports you mean, basically, removing video sources and input connections and starting again? |
| [14:13:13] | mycosys: | no hasbang – i mean the web – hypertext |
| [14:13:33] | EvilGuru: | Tim_____: No, in the channel scan pane there is a transports button |
| [14:13:46] | EvilGuru: | go there and just delete all of the transports that are listed |
| [14:14:27] | mycosys: | something windows was mind bogglingly bad at, and unix hadnt already cornered the market on, hashbang |
| [14:14:31] | hashbang: | mycosys: Solaris on Sun kit, and Irix on SGI kit was serving the majority of real live web pages for ages. But SGI went boom, and Sun didn't keep up and were expensive. |
| [14:15:17] | mycosys: | irix and sun and mac servers were always $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ |
| [14:15:41] | hashbang: | mycosys: (initially I thought you were meaning that it took the web for Linux to be developed, though, which ignores the massive role News had in the early days) |
| [14:15:56] | mycosys: | nah – just it gave it a massive opening |
| [14:16:15] | hashbang: | mycosys: extensively used for anyone serious until 2000-ish, though. |
| [14:16:16] | mycosys: | and a bucketload of development incentive |
| [14:16:57] | mycosys: | hard for a fidonet user to neglect usenet lol |
| [14:17:02] | hashbang: | mycosys: I still find it kinda incredible that banks and stock exchanges have switched to Linux for a lot of their backend systems. |
| [14:17:23] | mycosys: | i dont |
| [14:17:34] | mycosys: | secure is the word there |
| [14:17:50] | hashbang: | from Solaris, I mean |
| [14:17:58] | mycosys: | nothing is as secure as when it is openly audited from inside out by thousands of proud nerds |
| [14:18:04] | hashbang: | hmmm |
| [14:18:08] | EvilGuru: | mycosys: Myth |
| [14:19:18] | mycosys: | how do you figure EvilGuru |
| [14:19:23] | hashbang: | mycosys: it's not just security, but reliability and dependability, and I've found it's very hard to get anyone to own those kinds of bugs and fix them on an increasing number of projects, these days. |
| [14:19:30] | EvilGuru: | it is near impossible to audit code |
| [14:19:34] | clever: | just look at myth, you can packet sniff the mysql name/pw if anybody uses upnp to auto-configure! :P |
| [14:19:52] | mycosys: | when there are prizes and ego at stake for finding holes – people find em |
| [14:20:02] | EvilGuru: | mycosys: they fuzz |
| [14:20:19] | mycosys: | u mean fudge? |
| [14:20:23] | EvilGuru: | no, fuzz |
| [14:20:26] | clever: | hashbang: yeah, open source does help with that, i was using the eeepc kernel module to play with the fan speeds, and discovered i could Oops the kernel by reading a 'simple' file |
| [14:20:39] | EvilGuru: | take a function, pass junk arguments to it, see if you can get it to crash |
| [14:20:50] | clever: | hashbang: turns out it wasnt checking if the return value was an error (negative) or a size (pos) and tried to index an array |
| [14:20:50] | EvilGuru: | then you know something is awry and can go and look at it |
| [14:21:28] | hashbang: | I've got bugs filed all over the shop that have been opened for years, and no-one's even looked at 'em. |
| [14:21:39] | hashbang: | and Google's web services are no better. |
| [14:21:59] | clever: | hashbang: the kernel module i mentioned is only on version 0.2, its stil pretty beta-ish |
| [14:22:27] | hashbang: | so the TL;DR is 'if you want something fixed, fix it yourself, but don't expect anyone to even acknowledge your patch, let alone incorporate it into upstream so you don't have to do it all over in 6 months time' |
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| [14:23:19] | clever: | 2 of the problems i found already had open tickets, the others may, the ticket didnt give enough info to narrow it down |
| [14:24:47] | EvilGuru: | anyone know of the top of their heads what the limit on DVB tuners on a system is? |
| [14:25:06] | EvilGuru: | as I've got four but will probably add a fifth soon and can't remember if the limit is 4 or 8 by default |
| [14:26:11] | justinh: | 8 I think |
| [14:26:28] | justinh: | the limit in mythtv has been removed IIRC |
| [14:26:47] | justinh: | it used to have an arbitrary limit but that was taken out a long time ago |
| [14:27:19] | justinh: | but the more tuners you have it'll have an impact on scheduling time ;) |
| [14:28:22] | justinh: | not funny. I finally got printing to work – it does 6 of the 12 pages.. and ran out of toner |
| [14:30:50] | EvilGuru: | the plan is to get a 290e, reformat the system with a beta of mythbunuth 11.10, and get some DVB-T2 |
| [14:30:59] | EvilGuru: | then if that works I can ditch the Nova-T |
| [14:31:44] | justinh: | then if that works, it won't work with any other DVB tuner anyway :P |
| [14:31:48] | justinh: | (I read somewhere) |
| [14:32:26] | EvilGuru: | I suspect it will need to be on its own source due to the extra multiplex |
| [14:33:29] | justinh: | what extra multiplex? you get 5 SD muxes & one HD, tops |
| [14:33:32] | justinh: | ;) |
| [14:33:49] | justinh: | oh and apparently they can either do T2 or T.. |
| [14:34:06] | justinh: | driver is still very new |
| [14:34:13] | Tim_____: | Thanks for your help, guys. Have deleted all transports and rescanned channels but mythtv still doesn't want to utilise both cards at once. Will pastebin the end of my backend log. |
| [14:34:21] | EvilGuru: | justinh: I thought there were 6 SD? |
| [14:34:34] | justinh: | EvilGuru: there *are* 6 SD muxes before analogue is switched off |
| [14:34:49] | Tim_____: | Notable is this line, which appeared when I tried to playback tv while recording on another channel: 2011-08–24 00:32:06.798 RecBase(6:/dev/dvb/adapter1/frontend0): GetKeyframePositions(37,9223372036854775807,#0) out of 4 |
| [14:34:53] | EvilGuru: | Yeah, so I guess 6 SD + 1 T2 HD |
| [14:34:54] | justinh: | then they switch analogue off & rejig you around a bit.. and ultimately cut you down to 5 SD muxes |
| [14:35:17] | justinh: | so switching analogue off isn't to provide HDTV |
| [14:35:27] | EvilGuru: | I'll be okay if it is just T2 as I've got three DVB-T tuners already |
| [14:35:45] | justinh: | if you got that impression from anywhere, it's only from the fact they put the T2 mux up at or after switchover |
| [14:36:14] | Tim_____: | http://pastebin.com/gL8qPr5E |
| [14:37:22] | justinh: | Tim_____: not enough log |
| [14:38:16] | justinh: | oh and "2011-08–24 00:32:04.275 ChannelBase(6): IsTunable(DVBInput,7) Channel is valid, but tuner is busy on different multiplex (22 != 25)" doesn't look great |
| [14:38:50] | EvilGuru: | justinh: http://www.ukfree.tv/txdetail.php?a=TQ339712 6 DVB-T, 1 DVB-T2 and PAL, at least until the switchover |
| [14:39:09] | EvilGuru: | when yeah they'll cut as down again |
| [14:39:11] | justinh: | EvilGuru: BS. after switchover FIVE SDTV muxes & one dvb-t2 |
| [14:39:30] | justinh: | because in the interim one mux will be almost a carbon copy of the other :) |
| [14:40:38] | justinh: | oh.. 'local' |
| [14:40:41] | justinh: | heh I forgot about that |
| [14:41:04] | justinh: | we have 6 SDTV muxes here – I always forget because it isn't carrying anything |
| [14:41:27] | justinh: | the 6th one is run by MENMedia... and is all blank |
| [14:42:07] | justinh: | not that everywhere will be lucky enough to get a 'local' mux of course |
| [14:42:13] | Tim_____: | <Evilguru> sorry.... Went over the 500kb limit and then went too far the other way! http://pastebin.com/R5TD5fvx |
| [14:48:48] | EvilGuru: | justinh: So do we get more channels or what? |
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| [14:49:51] | justinh: | EvilGuru: no |
| [14:50:11] | justinh: | less SD channels, and 'up to' 4 HD channels |
| [14:50:22] | justinh: | less, because they only have 5 muxes |
| [14:50:38] | justinh: | this is all neglecting the 'local' mux because well.. local tv won't be worth watching |
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| [14:51:15] | justinh: | ofcom are keen for companies to bid high for the old analogue space |
| [14:51:26] | justinh: | whether they be TV broadcasters or phone companies |
| [14:51:56] | justinh: | anyway we need *less* channels, cos there's not enough space ot transmit the ones we've got *well* |
| [14:52:27] | justinh: | how much of freeview is usable? 15%? |
| [14:54:32] | EvilGuru: | ditch the +1 channels and it will be a bit better |
| [14:55:28] | justinh: | that isn't how they play though |
| [14:55:34] | justinh: | they won't get rid of anything |
| [14:55:48] | justinh: | like they won't kill a channel to make room for the other channels |
| [15:01:33] | hashbang: | EvilGuru: I think the freed spectrum is earmarked for offer to mobile phone companies for LTE/4G |
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| [15:11:27] | Seeker`: | E4+1 must be something like 0.5 bits per pixel |
| [15:15:24] | EvilGuru: | PickTV+1 is quite grim, also |
| [15:15:49] | EvilGuru: | although I do not think I've ever recorded something off of PickTV...ever |
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| [15:22:00] | hashbang: | EvilGuru: apart from the odd film, or Big Bang Theory, most of my recordings are from Ch4, BBC 2,R4,4,1 |
| [15:22:07] | hashbang: | select callsign,count(callsign) from recordedprogram join channel where recordedprogram.chanid=channel.chanid group by callsign order by count(callsign) desc; |
| [15:25:39] | ** hashbang <3 MythTV using a database that can be queried using SQL. ** | |
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| [15:40:34] | skd5aner: | hashbang: well, you know the lpng term plan is to use an embedded db – so that ability would likely go away |
| [15:40:39] | skd5aner: | s/lpng/long |
| [15:41:04] | Seeker`: | EvilGuru: what do they boradcast? |
| [15:41:34] | EvilGuru: | skd5aner: Would the myth protocol be extended to send queries to backends? |
| [15:41:48] | EvilGuru: | Seeker`: Junk, road wars, brainiac, reality stuff |
| [15:42:13] | skd5aner: | EvilGuru: I don't know – but the bindings would still be there |
| [15:42:29] | skd5aner: | EvilGuru: perhaps the devs will consider a "SQL" binding :) |
| [15:42:51] | EvilGuru: | I'm just wondering how frontends would find out listings etc |
| [15:43:04] | EvilGuru: | As currently I presume they make SQL queries to the DB server directly |
| [15:43:23] | skd5aner: | EvilGuru: the same way they do today? It'll still use SQL I would presume, but it will all be embedded |
| [15:43:34] | EvilGuru: | Oh, I see |
| [15:43:38] | skd5aner: | there will just be no external access to the DB |
| [15:43:53] | EvilGuru: | As long as it can be backed up that's fine with me |
| [15:44:06] | skd5aner: | the devs have been investigating using embedded mysql |
| [15:44:15] | EvilGuru: | just need to break out libeatmydata |
| [15:44:20] | skd5aner: | EvilGuru: I'm sure sphery will be on top of that (backing up) |
| [15:44:59] | skd5aner: | the devs just want something that eliminates another external dependency as well as simplify the install |
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| [15:45:22] | EvilGuru: | That would be nice, actually |
| [15:45:24] | skd5aner: | in addition, people who tend to mess around with the db and the schema directly also have the ability to break stuff, making it harder to support |
| [15:45:34] | EvilGuru: | although I do edit channels through the DB :P |
| [15:45:40] | skd5aner: | yea, I do too... lol |
| [15:45:50] | EvilGuru: | easier to set the xmltvid's then using the backend UI |
| [15:46:04] | skd5aner: | I have a join query I created to copy over XMLTVIDs and channel icons anytime I rescan or blow away my channels |
| [15:46:10] | Seeker`: | I use mythweb for xmltvids |
| [15:46:14] | skd5aner: | ... from a backup table |
| [15:46:41] | EvilGuru: | never considered using mythweb for that |
| [15:46:48] | skd5aner: | yea, mythweb works nice for that |
| [15:46:52] | skd5aner: | for manual data entry |
| [15:47:07] | skd5aner: | of course, if you already have all the data, a query works even better ;) |
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| [15:48:48] | skd5aner: | From the sounds of it, it'll be at least another revision or 3 after .25 before they start to look at embedded DBs |
| [15:51:06] | hashbang: | skd5aner: sqlite can be queried externally, so I don't see what that functionality has to go away. |
| [15:51:43] | EvilGuru: | hashbang: Probably be embedded mysql ala amarok |
| [15:51:55] | sphery: | isn't it actually easier to set the xmltvids in MythWeb's channel editor than by typing: UPDATE channel SET xmltvid = 'value' WHERE ...??? |
| [15:52:19] | hashbang: | sphery: not if you have a SQL script that does it. |
| [15:52:20] | stuartm: | sphery: mythweb's channel editor doesn't work |
| [15:52:22] | sphery: | ah, I see Seeker` already mentioned that |
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| [15:53:03] | sphery: | works for me... I think your PHP or apache isn't properly configured and needs more memory or larger post size allowed |
| [15:53:14] | stuartm: | it's been broken for a long time with large numbers of channels (the POST request is too large for a default php/apache config) |
| [15:53:16] | sphery: | that said, the mythweb channel editor isn't ideal |
| [15:53:27] | sphery: | stuartm: yeah, the /default/... you can change that, you know |
| [15:53:34] | stuartm: | right, but most users won't |
| [15:53:35] | hashbang: | sphery: type-type-type-click-click-click-wait-wait-wait-repeat-repeat-repeat still tiresome, though. |
| [15:53:39] | stuartm: | and won't know how to |
| [15:54:00] | hashbang: | sphery: also, if it becomes impossible to edit channels through SQL, then the tuner better JFW. |
| [15:54:05] | sphery: | hashbang: you can update every single xmltvid at once |
| [15:54:09] | sphery: | then submit once |
| [15:54:26] | sphery: | I have no clue what's going on this week, but everything I say results in people arguing with me |
| [15:54:32] | hashbang: | sphery: still got to type the xmltvids, and tab or click on the fields to make them active, though. |
| [15:54:38] | sphery: | (everything I say about mythtv, that is) |
| [15:54:56] | hashbang: | sphery: this isn't arguing. :-) |
| [15:54:58] | dekarl: | is that _uk_rt? there's scripts that will happily fill in the xmltvids for Freeview (according to that site anyway) http://parker1.co.uk/mythtv_id.php |
| [15:55:03] | sphery: | hashbang: um, how else would you input values without actually providing those values |
| [15:55:20] | skd5aner: | stuartm: but, depending on the number of channels, it might not be broken |
| [15:55:30] | skd5aner: | for me it would be, but I've updated the defaults a long time ago |
| [15:55:33] | skd5aner: | works well :) |
| [15:55:41] | sphery: | or depending on whether the packager did their job and properly configured the php/apache for the user |
| [15:55:52] | sphery: | anyway, it's not ideal |
| [15:56:03] | sphery: | eventually we'll have a real channel editor via backend http |
| [15:56:04] | hashbang: | sphery: see the script that dekarl just linked to. :-) |
| [15:56:18] | sphery: | but for now it's /much/ better than direct db editing |
| [15:56:19] | stuartm: | skd5aner: it choked even on the limited number of channels Freeview in the UK offers, so the likelihood of it being broken for new users is pretty high |
| [15:56:37] | stuartm: | you can forget about satellite etc |
| [15:56:42] | skd5aner: | sphery: I've got a query that anytime I have to rescan my digital channels, it can take data from a backup channels table and bring in the icon path, hidden, xmltvid, channum/name, etc |
| [15:56:51] | sphery: | hashbang: yeah, now all we need to do is get that type of thing officially supported by xmltv and then we can integrate that functionality into mythtv |
| [15:57:22] | skd5aner: | didn't iamlindoro create a new channel editor in the html setup stuff? |
| [15:57:24] | sphery: | which people have been talking about for years and yet there's still nothing out there but a few random scripts and nothing official |
| [15:57:31] | skd5aner: | I thought I recall seeing a lot of commits related to that |
| [15:57:36] | sphery: | skd5aner: yes, but the new html setup isn't done |
| [15:57:40] | dekarl: | can services.mythtv.org be queried for onid, sid, name, xmltvid that got submitted? (one list one time to verify some ids) |
| [15:57:51] | sphery: | that's what I meant by, "eventually we'll have a real channel editor via backend http" |
| [15:57:56] | skd5aner: | yea, just sayig – the works alreayd there :) |
| [15:58:31] | dekarl: | hmm, s/ids/ideas/ ;) |
| [15:58:33] | stuartm: | dekarl: not currently, not via a public API but the info is in the database |
| [15:58:34] | sphery: | chances are--unless someone decides to finish the hard parts that are left--the http setup will be disabled in 0.25 |
| [15:58:46] | skd5aner: | gotta run |
| [15:59:22] | dekarl: | stuartm: let me put it another way. Can I get a one time export as cvs, xml or similar? count (*), group by onid, sid, name, xmltvid something like that |
| [15:59:26] | stuartm: | or is it ... maybe not, we don't store xmltvid info alongside dvb stuff, so we'd need to change that |
| [15:59:29] | Seeker`: | editing the XMLTVIDs worked for me on freeview UK channels without having to change anything with apache or php with a fresh mythbuntu install |
| [16:00:28] | dekarl: | I'd rather not go and collect channel scans from all over the dvb world to look at how unique onid:sid really is :) |
| [16:00:31] | stuartm: | dekarl: as I just noted, we store xmltvid + name and nid + tid + sid + name but not the two together |
| [16:01:05] | dekarl: | hmm, the second one would do for me, don't know if BenB has use for the first one... |
| [16:01:16] | stuartm: | dekarl: they are unique as I think it's possible to get, there are some bogus values e.g. 1:1:6 – but those are easy to ignore |
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| [16:01:44] | dekarl: | are there many collisions in the onid:sid (without tsid) space? |
| [16:01:48] | stuartm: | dekarl: I'll see what I can do to extract that into a portable format |
| [16:02:09] | stuartm: | dekarl: I'd have to check |
| [16:02:24] | dekarl: | basically that is what I want to see in the data set |
| [16:02:53] | stuartm: | dekarl: and remember that some submissions might be under an older name for the same serviceid/channel |
| [16:03:17] | Seeker`: | some freeview channels change names more often than people change socks |
| [16:03:26] | stuartm: | several providers also fail to get a channel a new sid when they launch in the space previously used by someone else |
| [16:03:32] | stuartm: | unfortunately |
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| [16:07:09] | dekarl: | Ahh, the providers fear channel scans and the manufacturers don't market updates via background scans :( |
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| [16:21:26] | EvilGuru: | My TV updated itself OTA a few months back |
| [16:25:13] | stuartm: | my TV is never connected to the aerial and therefore has probably missed all the updates it might have received |
| [16:25:35] | stuartm: | which is a shame, especially since there is no USB port to do a manual upgrade |
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| [16:28:16] | Seeker`: | hmm, neither is mine |
| [16:35:17] | EvilGuru: | I can not see what would need updating |
| [16:35:25] | EvilGuru: | the firmware is hardly complicated |
| [16:41:47] | wagnerrp: | EvilGuru: are you talking about the one that loads up 8MB of transformation tables into memory just to do resampling? |
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| [16:42:52] | wagnerrp: | Seeker`: 0.5 bpp is really pretty good quality for h264 |
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| [16:43:20] | Seeker`: | wagnerrp: I meant decoded quality :P |
| [16:43:29] | EvilGuru: | wagnerrp: That's the one |
| [16:43:37] | Seeker`: | wagnerrp: also, E4+1 is mpeg2? |
| [16:44:10] | wagnerrp: | EvilGuru: (proxying mysql queries) it has been discussed in the past, and no real conclusion has been made |
| [16:44:59] | wagnerrp: | i think the general consensus is that adding queries into the protocol so that they could be used by remote clients would act as a crutch that would prevent all those methods from being converted to proper protocol commands |
| [16:45:35] | wagnerrp: | and that for stuff like plugins, we want to make mythbackend accept modules, and those modules would then offer whatever database access needs the frontend modules had |
| [16:47:51] | EvilGuru: | wagnerrp: Sounds like quite a clean solution |
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| [16:48:18] | wagnerrp: | EvilGuru: the problem is that it makes the transition to an embedded database just that much longer |
| [16:48:41] | wagnerrp: | as we have thousands of individual database queries that will have to be converted over to using the backend protocol |
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| [16:49:53] | EvilGuru: | will all of this be done in one release or can protocols be developed while still allowing unconverted stuff db access |
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| [16:51:57] | wagnerrp: | the latter |
| [16:52:10] | wagnerrp: | stuff will slowly be migrated over to the protocol, or maybe the mythxml stuff |
| [16:52:22] | wagnerrp: | and once everything is transferred, we move the database wholesale |
| [16:52:48] | wagnerrp: | probably one release will involve support for both |
| [16:53:16] | wagnerrp: | so as part of the 'schema update', mythbackend downloads the database from the server, and stores it internally |
| [16:53:33] | wagnerrp: | so the user wont have to do so manually |
| [16:53:47] | EvilGuru: | schema updates usually work really well for me |
| [16:54:00] | EvilGuru: | and I've taken my db from 0.21 => 0.24 is steps |
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| [17:19:38] | Perdignus: | Hello – I'm unable to start the backend as it segaults with this in the log "Duplicate entry '1101-2011-08–23 10:59:00-9–9849' for key 'PRIMARY'" |
| [17:22:54] | Perdignus: | This after updating to the latest trunk this morning. |
| [17:23:01] | wagnerrp: | can you get a backtrace? |
| [17:23:08] | wagnerrp: | http://mythtv.org/wiki/Debugging |
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| [17:29:00] | iamlindoro: | Guess who just had a HDHR Prime 3CC turn up on his desk... |
| [17:29:15] | wagnerrp: | i didnt think those were being shipped yet |
| [17:29:21] | iamlindoro: | They aren't... from Newegg |
| [17:29:28] | wagnerrp: | ah ha |
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| [17:44:03] | Perdignus: | wagnerrp: I've never created a backtrace, but I think I have debug enabled now and installed gdb |
| [17:44:31] | Perdignus: | would "gdb mythbackend" suffice? |
| [17:44:47] | wagnerrp: | if you dont already have a core dump to work off of |
| [17:46:32] | Perdignus: | I'm not sure I've got it right, I'm not seeing a report file in this --> http://pastebin.com/z2bAVwsu |
| [17:47:23] | wagnerrp: | i mean... a properly configured system will dump a core file after a segfault |
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| [17:47:38] | wagnerrp: | that core file can be loaded up in gdb against the application that generated it to make the backtrace |
| [17:47:49] | wagnerrp: | otherwise, just run the application from within gdb |
| [17:48:01] | wagnerrp: | and when it segfaults, then you will have access to the information you need |
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| [17:54:42] | wagnerrp: | sphery: i know we are generally adverse to inserting arbitrary files as recordings |
| [17:55:17] | wagnerrp: | but what about a program that just tries to match up recordings with whatever guide data you have on hand? |
| [17:55:40] | wagnerrp: | i think that was one of the capabilities of the former lost_recordings_inserter application |
| [17:56:26] | sphery: | I'm averse to users directly editing the db and to out-of-date, bitrotting programs |
| [17:57:00] | sphery: | i.e. the break_my_database.pl script--or was it called myth.rebuild_database.pl (as obviously, it's rebuilding a database) |
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| [17:57:24] | sphery: | if you want to create a python script to insert it, feel free |
| [17:57:36] | sphery: | I will have the code in mythtv as part of the new schema |
| [17:57:48] | wagnerrp: | new schema for... 0.26? |
| [17:57:57] | sphery: | so it's whether you want to spend time writing and maintaining the script in the meantime |
| [17:58:05] | sphery: | new schema for when it's ready :) |
| [17:58:25] | wagnerrp: | are you talking about the recordedfile stuff? |
| [17:59:36] | sphery: | just doesn't make a lot of sense to do it with the current schema since the biggest problem with the bitrotting scripts was that they didn't properly insert a lot of recording-specific data that doesn't necessarily make sense if you don't have the info that mythtv has when it records it and that caused problems in the db such as what stua rtm was seeing with "MythWeb's total size is broken" and such |
| [18:00:00] | sphery: | so trying to fake the recording info doesn't make a lot of sense to me |
| [18:00:17] | sphery: | when I'd rather spend my time working on the recordedfile schema stuff, where I won't have to fake any recording info |
| [18:00:32] | sphery: | since we'll have a proper media description--for recordings and non-recordings both |
| [18:00:37] | sphery: | and, yeah, recordedfile |
| [18:00:42] | wagnerrp: | im just talking about stuff that we can find guide data for, either in program or oldprogram |
| [18:00:57] | sphery: | right |
| [18:01:02] | sphery: | but the metadata isn't the problem |
| [18:01:10] | sphery: | the problem is all the other recorded-specific data |
| [18:01:13] | sphery: | that you have to fake |
| [18:01:28] | wagnerrp: | right, its the filesize, seektable, etc... |
| [18:01:30] | sphery: | and have to keep in sync with what all parts of mythtv expect |
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| [18:01:44] | wagnerrp: | along with various flags in recordedmarkup |
| [18:02:12] | sphery: | well, we have programs to regenerate seektable (and maybe markup) |
| [18:02:36] | wagnerrp: | but they do have to be called |
| [18:02:41] | sphery: | yeah |
| [18:02:47] | wagnerrp: | but now at least seektable can be run through the jobqueue |
| [18:02:52] | sphery: | and the record won't have its associated recordedprogram data |
| [18:03:04] | sphery: | and its credits, genre, etc. will be borked |
| [18:03:04] | wagnerrp: | sure it will, duplicated from the program entry |
| [18:03:11] | sphery: | there is no program entry |
| [18:03:16] | sphery: | because it was deleted after 10days |
| [18:03:32] | wagnerrp: | thats what im saying, it would only be set up to work with that stuff |
| [18:03:37] | sphery: | we have oldrecorded in some cases, but not recordedprogram |
| [18:03:42] | wagnerrp: | stuff where you were doing proper database backups, once a week or so |
| [18:03:48] | wagnerrp: | but youve lost all the recordings for that week |
| [18:04:32] | wagnerrp: | i was intending it as a utility to help those people who were following good practicies |
| [18:04:41] | sphery: | if we do it, whether we do it for recent or old recordings doesn't matter much to me |
| [18:05:19] | wagnerrp: | well the only time you would have the data you would need for recovery would be recent stuff |
| [18:05:37] | sphery: | all I care about is that it doesn't break people's databases, that people aren't directly editing the db (and manually breaking their dbs), and that the program/script is kept up to date and working until the functionality is properly placed in mythtv |
| [18:05:38] | wagnerrp: | otherwise, youre going to be asking the user what the title/subtitle/etc are interactively |
| [18:05:41] | wagnerrp: | which is just stupid |
| [18:05:52] | sphery: | well, that's what users seem to want |
| [18:05:56] | wagnerrp: | (which is what the old script did IIRC) |
| [18:06:30] | sphery: | but I can't call it stupid just because I wouldn't do it--I was explicitly told to stop doing that on the list |
| [18:06:43] | sphery: | (even though I never said such) |
| [18:07:12] | wagnerrp: | well if youre going to go through a program that would interactively ask you what each effectively randomly named file is, one by one |
| [18:07:20] | mycosys: | earthquake in virginia is felt in washington – pentagon being evacuate :S |
| [18:07:22] | wagnerrp: | youre going to have to open up each of those files to tell what they are one by one |
| [18:07:25] | sphery: | anyway, really all I care about are data integrity, no direct editing of the db, and script works as long as it's needed--meaning until we finally have the functionality in mythtv proper |
| [18:07:40] | wagnerrp: | in which case, you may as well just rename it, stuff it in mythvideo, and let the metadata stuff do its thing |
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| [18:08:40] | sphery: | that's my own opinion, but it seems that I'm wrong because users want to stick it in mythtv watch recordings |
| [18:08:59] | sphery: | because they have to keep it all together and--gracious no, I can't move the rest of the series to mythvideo |
| [18:09:15] | sphery: | and the user is always right, right? |
| [18:09:31] | sphery: | sorry, I woke up on the wrong side of a thread this morning and my attitude hasn't improved at all :) |
| [18:09:51] | wagnerrp: | yeah, i saw that |
| [18:09:54] | sphery: | not really intending to vent on you... |
| [18:11:30] | sphery: | mycosys: interesting... fwiw, I didn't feel it in FL :) |
| [18:11:47] | mycosys: | lol |
| [18:11:58] | wagnerrp: | or former virginia |
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| [18:12:05] | mycosys: | 5.8 apparently |
| [18:12:09] | sphery: | was just looking to see if anyone said why they're evactuating the Pentagon as a precaution, but no one seems to be saying |
| [18:12:23] | mycosys: | weird hey |
| [18:12:50] | sphery: | yeah, wonder if it was damaged or if they think it's unstable/prone to collapse in an earthquake/... |
| [18:13:12] | sphery: | seems they also evac'ed the capitol |
| [18:15:56] | wagnerrp: | just 25 minutes ago |
| [18:15:59] | wagnerrp: | yeah, i felt nothing |
| [18:19:00] | mycosys: | wow |
| [18:20:18] | sphery: | wagnerrp: anyway, on the script to add recordings back to the recorded table, feel free to do it, but I think users will see the "up to 10 days since recording" (or even up to 10 days since recording or if you still have a valid oldrecorded entry from having recorded the same episode in the past) as an arbitrary way of purposefully crippling the script and will ask for a return of the features of the script that I tried to remove from the ... |
| [18:20:24] | sphery: | ... wiki because it was corrupting databases (but that was put back up there "because the functionality isn't in mythtv yet") |
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| [18:20:51] | sphery: | if you're able to convince them that "if you still have all the data we can put it back, but otherwise, stick it in MythVideo", then I'd fully support it |
| [18:21:21] | wagnerrp: | thats my intent, but whether im actually able to... |
| [18:22:19] | sphery: | or if you want to make a current script that doesn't use the old, legacy hacks that the myth.rebuild_database.pl script used (i.e. has proper support for proper bindings (python) and getting db information and such) |
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| [18:22:57] | sphery: | note, also, that if you create a recorded entry and no oldrecorded/recstatus=-3 entry, then while the recording exists in current recordings, it won't be re-recorded, but if the user deletes the recording, it will be allowed to re-record and such |
| [18:24:15] | wagnerrp: | right |
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| [18:25:46] | wagnerrp: | wait, there were multiple earthquakes? |
| [18:25:50] | wagnerrp: | colorado had a 5.3 |
| [18:26:11] | sphery: | and it shouldn't hurt to just creat an oldrecorded, even if one already exists--as long as you maintain the unique key constraints (chanid/starttime) |
| [18:26:11] | wagnerrp: | this morning |
| [18:26:22] | sphery: | wow, it's the prelude to the 2012 end of time |
| [18:26:42] | ** wagnerrp waits for new new madrid fault to open up and swallow the midwest ** | |
| [18:26:46] | ** sphery wonders if he'll actually be able to finish all his MythTV TODO list before the end of time ** | |
| [18:28:06] | sphery: | wagnerrp: just get a limo and drive on the city streets--not the raised Interstate highway--and head to the airport where you can get on your brother-in-law's private plane and fly it between falling buildings and trains |
| [18:28:29] | wagnerrp: | didnt they steal the plane/ |
| [18:28:34] | sphery: | then you should try to meet up with some Russians with a bit Antonov... |
| [18:28:52] | sphery: | that may be... couldn't remember how they got that first plane |
| [18:29:21] | sphery: | oh, and it was actually the ex wife's new husband, wasn't it? |
| [18:29:24] | wagnerrp: | who cares, we want some disaster porn... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZW2qxFkcLM0 |
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| [18:30:16] | wagnerrp: | that would be the most amazing movie of all time if it were distilled down to around 30 minutes |
| [18:30:27] | sphery: | heh |
| [18:31:45] | sphery: | good video |
| [18:32:03] | wagnerrp: | you know, thats twice now that guy has blown up the white house |
| [18:32:31] | NewBuntu81: | Earthquake...very unusual. |
| [18:33:03] | sphery: | and yet they only evac'ed the Pentagon and the Capitol building? |
| [18:33:05] | NewBuntu81: | Felt in South Carlolina up to New York state, and as far west as Ohio. |
| [18:33:14] | NewBuntu81: | USGS now says its a 5.9. |
| [18:33:24] | sphery: | if only D.C. evacuation planners were as smart as Roland... |
| [18:34:16] | wagnerrp: | hehe... samsung is trying to get Apple's patents on the iPad design nullified |
| [18:34:26] | wagnerrp: | citing prior art by Stanley Kubrick |
| [18:35:52] | sphery: | nice |
| [18:36:16] | sphery: | I don't know, though--would /you/ have thought to make a tablet that was rectangular in shape with rounded corners? |
| [18:36:24] | sphery: | it seems like a completely non-obvious design to me |
| [18:37:21] | sphery: | now, circular tablet or dodecagon shapes are completely obvious, but /rectangular/? |
| [18:37:43] | wagnerrp: | apparently something that looks pretty much identical to an iPad, but with smaller bezels, is being used as a video player |
| [18:38:47] | sphery: | nice |
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| [18:43:57] | sphery: | Then again, maybe it was just a time traveler, like the person on a cell phone in a 1928 Charlie Chaplin movie. So, it's not really prior art, it's current art appearing at a prior time. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbXUgQ4Is8E&feature=fvst |
| [18:45:44] | sphery: | full 8min video showing the guy presenting his theory: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6a4T2tJaSU |
| [18:47:16] | wagnerrp: | where's a dr. who writer when you need one |
| [18:47:42] | sphery: | heh, but then it would be person using a police box in LA, right? |
| [18:48:34] | wagnerrp: | i was thinking one of the companions pulls out her cell phone for an as yet undecided reason, as walking by a shooting of that film |
| [18:49:24] | sphery: | I really need to start watching Dr Who, but I can't decide if I should start at the beginning or just start with the new stuff |
| [18:49:36] | sphery: | beginning meaning original beginning |
| [18:50:50] | sphery: | but obviously it's not a smart time traveler--I mean, does anyone hold a cell phone to their ear, anymore? I mean whether you have a wired headset or bluetooth headset, it's so much easier than holding the phone to your ear. |
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| [19:10:22] | devinheitmueller: | Everybody's a frigging legal expert these days. :-/ |
| [19:10:52] | wagnerrp: | everybody's a frigging legal expert these days when it comes to accessing content in a manner they're not supposed to |
| [19:12:55] | devinheitmueller: | I read TechDirt so obviously I'm an expert in copyright law! |
| [19:14:11] | tgm4883: | I'm an expert in copyright law |
| [19:15:08] | tgm4883: | I'm not a lawyer or anything, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn express last night |
| [19:15:10] | sphery: | when it comes to accessing content in a manner they want to |
| [19:15:33] | tgm4883: | sphery, I started with the new beginning, not the original beginning |
| [19:15:34] | wagnerrp: | ive got a couple friends who are lawyers, does that count? |
| [19:15:42] | sphery: | tgm4883: heh, that probably makes you more qualified than many of those who are saying why X isn't a violation of copyright |
| [19:16:57] | sphery: | I live near where the legal spectacle of the Casey Anthony murder trial occurred, so I'm an expert |
| [19:18:10] | tgm4883: | I watched OJ get aquitted on a staticy black and white TV, which means it's obvious I am an expert |
| [19:19:18] | sphery: | wagnerrp: I have to wonder how many of the "I don't care if he..." approaches I mentioned go beyond violating Netflix's ToU to violating other ToS/ToU (like Android SDK or whatever) |
| [19:19:51] | wagnerrp: | violating android sdk how? |
| [19:20:24] | sphery: | just saying I have no clue what their terms are like, so no idea if using it to use the netflix app on a desktop computer would be a violation |
| [19:20:48] | wagnerrp: | can you do such a thing? |
| [19:20:55] | sphery: | no idea |
| [19:21:08] | dewman: | is there another lookup that I could use withen mythtv for a movie if it doesnt exist at tmdb or imdb? |
| [19:21:15] | sphery: | I know there's an android netflix app and an android emulator in the sdk for testing apps |
| [19:21:27] | sphery: | I don't have (nor want) netflix, so I've never actually tried |
| [19:21:44] | sphery: | and if I did have/want netflix, I'd just get the right tool for the job--a netflix player |
| [19:21:48] | sphery: | :) |
| [19:24:35] | justinh: | sphery: the android emulator is kinda icky |
| [19:25:11] | dewman: | some of the kids movies (IE blues clues) are in tmdb but not all of them. I guess the best way would be to add the movies so other people could benefit. |
| [19:25:29] | justinh: | yup |
| [19:25:38] | justinh: | if I bother everybody should |
| [19:27:47] | justinh: | finding cover art can be tricky but not so bad if you have a scanner :) |
| [19:29:56] | dewman: | justinh,I havent crerated an account on tmdb yet, but is there a specfic size they want for cover art? |
| [19:30:23] | justinh: | ones I've done were 1000x1500 |
| [19:30:40] | justinh: | not had any spat out yet.. not that I've done many :) |
| [19:31:18] | justinh: | right then mister search popup... |
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| [19:36:04] | wagnerrp: | dewman: there are guidelines in their documentation for source and size of content |
| [19:37:43] | dewman: | wagnerrp, thanks. I will look that up before I add anything. I dont want violate any TOS (like Android SDK or whatever) ;-) |
| [19:39:16] | justinh: | they care about the source? :-O |
| [19:40:05] | wagnerrp: | justinh: they claim to, for reasons of copyright |
| [19:40:18] | wagnerrp: | plus they dont want 'fanart' to just be snapshots from the video |
| [19:40:35] | wagnerrp: | they want it to actually be user generated... fanart |
| [19:42:13] | dewman: | so grabbing cover art from the internet would be considered a no-no then? |
| [19:42:40] | wagnerrp: | i dont know what all their requirements are |
| [19:42:47] | wagnerrp: | i havent uploaded any myself |
| [19:42:48] | dewman: | ok i will look it up. |
| [19:43:17] | justinh: | I've not been able to find anything about where the stuff is 'allowed' to come from – only suggestions on where to get it |
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| [19:44:09] | K0rny: | Good afternoon all |
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| [19:54:59] | dewman: | I have no idea how ernest borgnine has anything to do with blues clues...hehe |
| [19:55:06] | dewman: | google is dumb sometimes.. |
| [20:02:04] | K0rny: | Could anyone point me in a good direction or place to look for taking recordings from an HDHR and converting them to mkv(approx 1 gig per hour) with comercials cut out and renamed something like Show-title- SeasonXepisode? |
| [20:02:21] | K0rny: | oh and adding them to mythvideo |
| [20:02:28] | wagnerrp: | dont, buy more hard drive space |
| [20:02:40] | wagnerrp: | and then use http://mythtv.org/wiki/Mythvidexport.py |
| [20:02:45] | K0rny: | :/ but I got a 6 core sitting doing nothing :P |
| [20:03:11] | wagnerrp: | let it continue sitting there idle, rather than sucking down power transcoding |
| [20:03:21] | wagnerrp: | hard drives are cheap |
| [20:03:40] | wagnerrp: | not all that much more expensive than the power you would consume trying to save that space |
| [20:03:57] | wagnerrp: | and 1GB/hr is pretty poor quality anyway |
| [20:04:07] | wagnerrp: | unless youre doing something like cell shaded cartoons |
| [20:04:18] | K0rny: | Oh it works for family guy and simpsons and stuff >:) |
| [20:04:34] | K0rny: | I just feel pain seeing 6 gigs an hour for them |
| [20:05:29] | K0rny: | I actually have a bash script that did what I needed in sagetv and would work with mythtv except I'm unsure how to get the arguements for the command line |
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| [20:06:13] | wagnerrp: | clipping out the commercials will drop those to ~4GB/hr |
| [20:06:20] | JEDIDIAH__: | Raw ATSC dumps are HORRIBLE for old SD reruns. |
| [20:06:35] | wagnerrp: | well... ~4GB/42 minutes (hour of recording) |
| [20:06:47] | JEDIDIAH__: | They use more space than a DVD copy would and clearly are of inferior quality. |
| [20:07:09] | K0rny: | JEDIDIAH__, that assumes I have the dvd on hand :/ |
| [20:07:28] | JEDIDIAH__: | If you do, then you can make the comparison. |
| [20:08:14] | JEDIDIAH__: | ...still, these days you are probably better off (just in terms of bother) to use more disks. |
| [20:08:24] | K0rny: | Well first things first is there a way using the job que to automatically cut commercials after the recording is say 3 days old? |
| [20:09:17] | JEDIDIAH__: | even that's probably more trouble than it's worth. lots of work for files that will be quickly deleted. |
| [20:09:30] | K0rny: | eh? I'm not deleting them |
| [20:09:43] | justinh: | oh dear |
| [20:09:51] | justinh: | well you ain't gonna be keeping everything you ever record |
| [20:09:55] | justinh: | ARE YOU? |
| [20:10:10] | justinh: | I've seen programs about those people. they're *weird* |
| [20:10:21] | K0rny: | I like to obtain full seasons >:), I'm a tv hoarder :/ |
| [20:10:28] | K0rny: | I'm only running 12 TB right now though |
| [20:10:52] | justinh: | just transcode it to 320x180 at 16Kbps then |
| [20:10:58] | K0rny: | It was worse when I cable however, which is where the majority of my collection is from |
| [20:10:59] | JEDIDIAH__: | stuff gets mutilated on TV. makes it less attractive for hoarding purposes. |
| [20:11:34] | K0rny: | I do some archiving of my favorite shows via dvd, mainly mythbusters, dirty jobs ect |
| [20:13:04] | K0rny: | Part of the reason I'm avoiding an HDprime is I think with 3 or 6 more tuners I'd have some serious space issues :/ |
| [20:13:57] | mag0o: | s/space// |
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| [20:24:34] | sphery: | wagnerrp: you forgot to tell them the real-world costs involved... "Accessing your service's network through a method outside those stipulated in your services contract is a breach of contract [which may cost you $500 billion]." – http://blog.seattlepi.com/microsoft/2011/08/1 . . . 500-billion/ |
| [20:24:56] | wagnerrp: | wow... |
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| [20:27:45] | sphery: | heh, and someone saying that renting a dvd, ripping it so he can return it without paying a late fee, then watching later, and deleting is fine... |
| [20:28:06] | sphery: | people just don't understand the transaction in which they're participating when they rent a DVD |
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| [20:29:52] | sphery: | wagnerrp: what, you didn't say that we could probably make a CCTV-resolution version of the netflix device UI stream well enough? |
| [20:30:31] | justinh: | what? CIF res? at 15fps? WIN! |
| [20:30:52] | sphery: | heh, yeah, that's what it's called |
| [20:31:16] | justinh: | would look fine once you run it through the CSI interpolator rescaler engine mythtv 0.26 is gonna have |
| [20:31:37] | sphery: | yeah, but that takes at least a dual-core atom for all that advanced video processing |
| [20:31:48] | justinh: | it goes off to the MythCloud looking for the missing video lines |
| [20:32:04] | Beirdo: | YAY |
| [20:32:14] | Beirdo: | got it to actually compile something, finally |
| [20:32:15] | sphery: | yeah, and we can just store only every fourth line on each computer, then pick up the missing 3 from the cloud |
| [20:32:21] | justinh: | then grabs them P2P stylee |
| [20:32:22] | sphery: | will save us space! |
| [20:33:19] | justinh: | insert rubbish joke about video from the cloud looking snowy/rainy/clear here |
| [20:34:47] | sphery: | I don't know... Have you seen MS's "To the cloud" commercial where the couple downloads an entire tv show from their home Windows MCE system in seconds/minutes (delay of 15min to 3 hours announced to them) using an airport's wifi service |
| [20:35:14] | justinh: | nope |
| [20:35:37] | justinh: | I've seen the windows7 one where a woman photoshops her miserable husband & kids into a happy photo though |
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| [20:36:02] | justinh: | my wife has also seen it & wonders why I don't just fix the shots I take of our boy in post |
| [20:36:03] | sphery: | heh, yeah, that one, too... what in the world does that have to do with the cloud? |
| [20:36:16] | K0rny: | Thats one thing I miss about Sagetv is their place shifter :/ |
| [20:36:26] | justinh: | getting the buzzword out to more people so they start believing it? |
| [20:36:27] | wagnerrp: | place shifter? |
| [20:36:28] | sphery: | that's old fashioned software--possibly as a service, but not really a cloud thing |
| [20:36:41] | justinh: | wagnerrp: record in one place, watch in another via the interwebs |
| [20:36:41] | wagnerrp: | as in, record on one box, play back on another? |
| [20:36:56] | K0rny: | but adjust for network bandwidth and auto transcodes |
| [20:36:59] | ** justinh mutters something about mythweb & flash playback ** | |
| [20:37:03] | wagnerrp: | mythtv can do both, although the latter is a bit crude |
| [20:37:44] | justinh: | well, sagetv went to hell didn't they? |
| [20:37:45] | K0rny: | I'm still figuring mythtv out only been using it for 2 months now, so still learning, but I will look into that |
| [20:37:49] | justinh: | serves em right :) |
| [20:38:11] | wagnerrp: | hell is google? |
| [20:38:18] | wagnerrp: | google is hell? |
| [20:38:43] | justinh: | great news for the people who owned Sage... less good for their customers |
| [20:38:50] | sphery: | yay, let's just take my wonderful high-definition recording at full bitrate and resolution, then transcode it on the fly (so, inefficiently allocating bandwidth) to a tiny bitrate, capable of being uploaded on my home's 1Mbps upstream link while maintaining QoS, which will mean decreasing resolution sufficiently to handle the reduced bitrate... |
| [20:38:51] | K0rny: | lol I don't mind that they got bought out, its the fact they closed show immeidately and screwed the customers |
| [20:39:05] | sphery: | and then I can watch grainy, terrible quality video somewhere else |
| [20:39:19] | justinh: | sphery: you forgot *blocky* |
| [20:39:19] | K0rny: | sphery, better then nothing if you're stuck at your parents >:) |
| [20:39:23] | sphery: | rather than just copying the shows I want to watch while on my trip to my laptop HDD or an external drive |
| [20:39:38] | justinh: | good god, I don't even take a laptop when I go to parents/inlaws |
| [20:39:51] | wagnerrp: | K0rny: you dont realize that sphery has a several year backlog of recordings he needs to go through |
| [20:39:53] | sphery: | K0rny: my car/the planes I ride/... has /much/ greater bandwidth than my home Internet connection |
| [20:40:01] | wagnerrp: | he never watches anything within several months of it being recorded |
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| [20:40:10] | JEDIDIAH__: | yes. local storage rules. can't trust the network (thus can't trust the cloud) |
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| [20:40:31] | JEDIDIAH__: | I'm transcoding a batch of recordings for the archos now. |
| [20:40:38] | sphery: | I trust the cloud much more than I trust the companies who intend to provide the cloud to me |
| [20:41:09] | wagnerrp: | i trust the cloud every bit as much as i trusted it back when they just called it the server farm |
| [20:41:14] | JEDIDIAH__: | the cloud may or may not be the autobahn but you gotta go over unpaved forrest to get there. |
| [20:41:24] | justinh: | I know somebody who uses one of those placeshifting efforts.. what do they call em again? the stupid, odd-shaped things... anyway he says the quality is 'better than nothing'. that tells me he made a sound investment in tech gear |
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| [20:41:43] | wagnerrp: | slingbox? |
| [20:41:47] | justinh: | yeah that was it |
| [20:41:47] | mag0o: | boxee? |
| [20:41:51] | justinh: | lol |
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| [20:42:11] | justinh: | now there's a logo I hate more than tux. Punchable art |
| [20:42:27] | justinh: | it's a face, and it's saying MEH |
| [20:42:42] | sphery: | justinh: heh, so looking up to see the actual resolution numbers for CIF, I found: http://www.securitycameraking.com/securityinf . . . -resolution/ , which says, "As you can see, the 4CIF image is much larger. It will be much easier to capture details from the 4 CIF resolution image, than from the CIF resolution image." But, if you look at the 4CIF image, it's blurry so either their Elite Series DVR ... |
| [20:42:49] | sphery: | ... is using inappropriate bitrate for it or their cam is upscaling the CIF res image to 4CIF or ??? |
| [20:43:14] | sphery: | so many people who think that higher resolution always means higher quality |
| [20:43:24] | justinh: | AITCH DEE! |
| [20:43:28] | justinh: | or 'digital' |
| [20:43:32] | sphery: | yeah |
| [20:43:47] | justinh: | "in full digital quality". WTH does that mean? |
| [20:43:49] | sphery: | now, resolution in a vacuum... |
| [20:44:23] | justinh: | sphery: looking at that site, the camera is whack |
| [20:44:37] | justinh: | so it wouldn't matter what res they record at :P |
| [20:44:57] | sphery: | yeah, it seems the CIF image actually has better detail than the 4CIF |
| [20:45:11] | justinh: | as much as I hate the stuff the company I work for makes... it's unbelievably better than a lot of our competitors |
| [20:45:19] | sphery: | maybe they forgot to turn on the CSI image enhancement algo |
| [20:45:27] | sphery: | heh |
| [20:45:44] | justinh: | ahh fond memories of the smoking room at the old place & the chats with customer service techs |
| [20:46:01] | sphery: | I've never done security camera stuff, so I don't have a point of reference, but I think I'd take the CIF resolution image over the 4CIF on that page any day |
| [20:46:04] | justinh: | one guy phones up wanting to know the weight of a DVR... "and when the hard disk is full?" |
| [20:46:13] | sphery: | hehe |
| [20:46:20] | wagnerrp: | sphery: im wondering why the 4CIF image isnt four times larger than the CIF image |
| [20:46:55] | wagnerrp: | and you are right, the CIF image does look significantly crisper |
| [20:47:33] | sphery: | ahhh, the guy on who made the webpage has the browser scaling it |
| [20:47:36] | sphery: | http://www.securitycameraking.com/securityinf . . . 132511D1.BMP |
| [20:47:40] | justinh: | all the cheapo Asian boxes that flooded the market are taking (groups of) 4 SDTV cameras, putting each in a quadrant & recording that SDTV frame. to get it fullscreen on playback they zoom in. That's about CIF |
| [20:47:47] | sphery: | still not sharp, though |
| [20:47:58] | wagnerrp: | yeah, its still garbage |
| [20:48:10] | wagnerrp: | i wonder if the camera itself wasnt designed for 4CIF |
| [20:48:23] | justinh: | wonder if anybody who left the company this month is gonna shop it to the FSF |
| [20:48:50] | sphery: | yeah, almost looks like it's a CIF camera but has an option for "upscaling" to 4CIF |
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| [20:49:10] | justinh: | and it doesn't matter how good the camera or DVR is... when you leave em to the mercy of the installers. yikes |
| [20:49:29] | sphery: | heh, yeah |
| [20:50:41] | justinh: | so there's a panel in a building they can't fit 16 coaxes through.. so they covert each coax to twisted pair with a crappy balun (which doesn't isolate all the grounds)... then go through the panel & back to coax again via another balun set.. and wonder where all the video has gone because of the god-awful ground loop problem |
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| [20:51:53] | justinh: | because they have 16 cameras onsite, powered by different phases & the 24VDC supplies they use tie 0V to mains neutral. Whoops |
| [20:52:21] | justinh: | result... the video ground is floating on about 100VAC |
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| [20:53:02] | justinh: | I wanna be an installer when I grow up. that must be such fun |
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| [21:09:30] | mikeishooligan: | Hi, I'm having trouble getting mythbackend to start. I should note that the system was working perfectly this morning. But then I deleted a channel source in mythtv-setup and afterwards it couldn't connect to the database (as far as I can tell this is because mythbackend isn't running) |
| [21:10:20] | mikeishooligan: | I'm running myttv 0.24 on ubuntu 11.04. As far as I can see all the settings are correct in ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt |
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| [21:11:46] | mikeishooligan: | I can connect to the database in mysql using my username and password but neither mythbackend nor mythfrontend will start. If I try to run mythv-setup I get a connection error and it goes to the screen asking me for my location and database information |
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| [21:15:14] | sphery: | mikeishooligan: Please paste the log output from attempting to start mythbackend to http://www.pastebin.com/ , and paste the link here. |
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| [21:30:06] | Gibby: | how does one fix this: If dmesg only shows "registered new interface driver hdpvr" and no /dev/video# device has been created, you probably have a newer device than your kernel module supports. |
| [21:30:51] | sphery: | upgrade the kernel? |
| [21:31:05] | Gibby: | hmm i am on 2.6.32.44 |
| [21:31:13] | sphery: | or add support for your new device if it's not supported by current kernels? |
| [21:31:15] | Gibby: | shoujld be plenty new enough |
| [21:31:24] | Gibby: | how do i add the support :? |
| [21:31:27] | Gibby: | compile? |
| [21:31:49] | sphery: | it's likely looking for some device id that's not yet listed |
| [21:32:01] | sphery: | might even be able to get support by updating usb ids? |
| [21:32:13] | ** Gibby scratches head ** | |
| [21:32:29] | sphery: | sudo update-usbids |
| [21:33:01] | sphery: | or whatever the approved solution for your distro is |
| [21:33:02] | Gibby: | don't have that... this in on sl6.1 |
| [21:34:03] | sphery: | but if you want real answers instead of guesses, you'll likely have to give someone who actually knows HD-PVR stuff information about which specific device you have |
| [21:34:25] | Gibby: | which specific info? |
| [21:34:34] | wagnerrp: | why is rhel/sl/centos still back on 2.6.32? |
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| [21:34:50] | wagnerrp: | i mean that was old even when rhel6 came out |
| [21:35:24] | sphery: | heh, I was thinking Slackware when he said sl |
| [21:35:34] | Gibby: | how would i check if it is in my kernel? it is a custom kernel? |
| [21:35:40] | sphery: | I still don't get what Scientific Linux is about |
| [21:35:58] | wagnerrp: | its about the science, of course |
| [21:36:05] | sphery: | I suppose |
| [21:36:31] | sphery: | after all, I'm sure it's the most appropriate distro for me to use when I finally finish digging the 72-mile tunnel for my new collider |
| [21:36:32] | NickHu: | Linux kernel hit a big 3.0 y'know |
| [21:36:34] | NickHu: | Because a specific portion of linux users wanted to be even more elitist fags |
| [21:36:52] | wagnerrp: | presumably that means they are heavy in stuff like MPI/OpenMP/PVM/etc... |
| [21:37:25] | wagnerrp: | prepackaged with latex, and all sorts of physical and chemical simulation libraries |
| [21:37:40] | NickHu: | What I don't get is why they bothered making blackbuntu |
| [21:37:45] | sphery: | so why wouldn't you just run centos? |
| [21:37:47] | NickHu: | Backtrack is fine |
| [21:37:53] | NickHu: | CentOS is a joke |
| [21:38:02] | NickHu: | It's a crappy attempt at making wind0ze |
| [21:38:14] | wagnerrp: | centos is rhel, nothing more, nothing less |
| [21:38:16] | mikeishooligan: | Hi OK so I seem to have made some progress, I launched mythtv-setup from mythbuntu-control-centre and it worked, mythbackend is up and running (mythweb now connects to it). However, now I can't launch mythfrontend. It seems to launch OK but the window never appears. |
| [21:38:24] | wagnerrp: | it is specifically intended to be binary compatible with rhel |
| [21:38:26] | sphery: | a joke meaning it's not *buntu or a joke meaning CentOS is provably worse than RHEL and/or Scientific Linux? |
| [21:38:34] | wagnerrp: | which is why it took them so much longer to put out than SL |
| [21:38:52] | wagnerrp: | while SL uses the same code base, it is not so stringently compiled to conform to RHEL |
| [21:38:57] | mikeishooligan: | http://pastebin.com/bUxqm7vv there is the info I get when launching mythfrontend |
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| [21:39:43] | NickHu: | Hey guys, having my TV storage dir on an NTFS partition = bad idea? |
| [21:39:50] | sphery: | mikeishooligan: this isn't helpful, but someone else was getting the exact same symptom a few days or a week back |
| [21:40:02] | sphery: | I either never found out what it was or don't remember |
| [21:40:03] | wagnerrp: | NickHu: ntfs partition on a linux system, absolutely |
| [21:40:17] | wagnerrp: | ntfs partition on a windows pc mapped over cifs, one has to question why |
| [21:40:59] | NickHu: | wagnerrp: It was simply the drive with the most available space |
| [21:41:40] | mikeishooligan: | yeah I tried pasting my mythbackend log file but it was too large and pastebin timed out, and besides it seems to be working now. I can't figure out why mythfrontend won't launch though. |
| [21:41:44] | NickHu: | Anyway, it keeps messing up my files and causing fscks at boot |
| [21:41:53] | sphery: | hmmm, I seem to use the character b a lot in my IRC comments |
| [21:42:14] | NickHu: | Any of you guys use DVB-S? |
| [21:42:19] | sphery: | (pretty sure the guy who had the issue had a nick starting with b, so I searched for everything I have said this year that includes b |
| [21:42:26] | sphery: | probably should have used a better regex) |
| [21:43:13] | mikeishooligan: | yeah maybe.... i appreciate the effort though |
| [21:45:54] | justinh: | blackbuntu? time to hit the search engine |
| [21:45:58] | NickHu: | mikeishooligan: Tail it |
| [21:46:13] | NickHu: | justinh: Basically backtrack but part of the *buntu family |
| [21:46:35] | mikeishooligan: | NickHu, forgive my ignorance but how? |
| [21:46:46] | NickHu: | tail somecrap.log |
| [21:47:36] | justinh: | or to get the last 100 lines, tail 100 somecrap.log :) |
| [21:48:15] | justinh: | NickHu: you lost me at backtrack |
| [21:48:31] | justinh: | anyhoo, seems I got the wrong end of the incorrect stick.. so moving on... |
| [21:48:31] | mikeishooligan: | http://pastebin.com/aL813nh2 |
| [21:48:31] | NickHu: | Or if you want a real log cat /dev/urandom > betterlog.log |
| [21:48:40] | NickHu: | justinh: Pentesting distro |
| [21:49:04] | justinh: | yeah I got that from my search.. still not what I expected. I'll leave it at that |
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| [21:49:26] | NickHu: | mikeishooligan: Nothing in there I can tell about the frontend |
| [21:49:48] | NickHu: | Try cat craplog.log | grep -E 'front' > slimlog.log |
| [21:51:39] | mikeishooligan: | http://pastebin.com/73AZ7Jha |
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| [21:52:02] | mikeishooligan: | as far as I can see nothing in there either. Most of those date stamps are from when the system was running correctly anyway. |
| [21:53:03] | NickHu: | Well it seems like the frontend can't open your card |
| [21:53:07] | NickHu: | You got the right drivers? |
| [21:54:15] | Beirdo: | !url down www.softsystem.co.uk |
| [21:54:16] | MythLogBot: | down: http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/www%2Esoftsystem%2Eco%2Euk |
| [21:54:40] | Beirdo: | Go, Lawrence |
| [21:55:14] | mikeishooligan: | as far as I know it's always had that problem. I've got the hauppauge 1600 and it sees the digital side as two cards (or something). I don't believe that error has ever caused a problem before. |
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| [22:21:15] | justinh: | oh WTH.. the backend deadlocked AGAIN |
| [22:21:58] | justinh: | or some part of it did |
| [22:22:06] | justinh: | it's still making log entries |
| [22:23:06] | justinh: | nothing going on on port 6544 though |
| [22:23:25] | sphery: | so, seems a couple people had the "no frontend window" problem... ICM^ was last (on Aug 10), but can't be the one I remember because I iddn't participate in that discussion. |
| [22:23:37] | sphery: | not that it's useful, now, since mikeishooligan left |
| [22:24:18] | justinh: | this time it wasn't even recording AFAICT |
| [22:24:46] | justinh: | mythweb is still (kinda) working.. but boy is it SLOW |
| [22:25:18] | justinh: | nah nothing good in the log |
| [22:26:34] | justinh: | no, that was cos it was too busy being deadlocked. it'd started recording family guy |
| [22:26:41] | justinh: | MythTaste strikes again |
| [22:26:51] | sphery: | and jrr the day after (Aug 11) |
| [22:27:13] | justinh: | oh and Wilfred was wot done it |
| [22:27:17] | justinh: | 0GB |
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| [22:28:58] | justinh: | wha? how can there have been a 0GB recording & no log entry? |
| [22:29:09] | justinh: | that isn't gonna be helping anyone debug this |
| [22:29:28] | sphery: | and in both cases, it was improper DB configuration--either bad mysql.txt/config.xml or forgetting to do grants |
| [22:29:37] | sphery: | so, mikeishooligan ^^^ |
| [22:29:53] | Gibby: | question... if you had 1 box... amd II x6... and 16GB of ram...dual 1G nics and you wanted the following: mythbackend with 2 pvr-150', 2 hd-pvrs and a hd dual homerun, pxe booting for frontends, and virtual servers for lab and playing around.... what would you? |
| [22:29:54] | ** sphery stops talking to the ghost of a past visitor ** | |
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| [22:35:06] | justinh: | sphery: yeah a show was 'recorded' – i.e. I saw a 0B file in 'watch recordings' and yet there was no log entry for it |
| [22:35:19] | justinh: | something is very very broken there somehow |
| [22:38:25] | NickHu: | justinh: I get that when my recordings fail |
| [22:40:09] | justinh: | this thing really has to get nailed |
| [22:41:21] | justinh: | NickHu: you say that very matter of fact-ly |
| [22:42:20] | justinh: | I can't be doing with a DVR that sometimes doesn't record... cos what's the point? |
| [22:42:45] | justinh: | gotta try getting off these packages & see if there's something can be done |
| [22:43:47] | justinh: | oh wait... what was I doing at 10,30pm when the failed recording happened? A time search. Heavy DB access |
| [22:44:29] | justinh: | and there was another failed one at 9.43am today |
| [22:44:47] | justinh: | but the db load should've been light then.. if any load at all |
| [22:44:51] | Seeker`: | I've had a couple fail after 5–10 mins recording today |
| [22:45:25] | justinh: | maybe the mysql ubuntu is shipping just isn't up to it |
| [22:46:50] | sphery: | fwiw, I have heard users of a certain distro's mysqld tell me that actions which complete in seconds on my machine complete in many minutes on their similarly-spec'ed machine |
| [22:47:21] | sphery: | I don't have a clue how that could be since the distro seems to be using a proper my.cnf |
| [22:48:08] | Seeker`: | compilation options? |
| [22:48:16] | justinh: | a certain distro? |
| [22:48:21] | justinh: | you mean *buntu? |
| [22:49:09] | justinh: | the time search stuff was taking *ages* – way too long for what.. less than 40 channels & 14 days' worth of data |
| [22:49:33] | Seeker`: | sphery: what distro do you use? |
| [22:49:51] | sphery: | well, mine is compiled with --enable-assembler, but nothing else "fancy" |
| [22:50:21] | sphery: | it's possible that the slow operations are slow string operations and *buntu is compiling without assembly... |
| [22:50:33] | sphery: | other than that, though, mine is as plain vanilla as you can get |
| [22:50:45] | sphery: | even having a plain vanilly my.cnf from their medium example |
| [22:50:55] | justinh: | is it possible to find out what it's compiled with? |
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| [22:54:12] | Seeker`: | justinh: not obviously |
| [22:55:23] | Seeker`: | sphery: can you put your my.cnf somewhere? |
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| [22:56:12] | justinh: | Seeker`: tried a new .cnf. hasn't helped |
| [22:56:19] | Seeker`: | justinh: ah, ok |
| [22:56:47] | sphery: | Seeker`: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mysql/mysql-serv . . . edium.cnf.sh , but with @ variables replaced with appropriate values for my system |
| [22:56:51] | sphery: | like I said vanilla :) |
| [22:57:04] | sphery: | that's the mysql example "medium" configuration |
| [22:57:14] | justinh: | so it must be going deeper than that |
| [22:57:16] | sphery: | and, yeah, justinh tried replacing his with that one |
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| [22:57:35] | justinh: | presumably sphery's --enable-assembler option must fair speed things up |
| [22:57:46] | sphery: | note also that there are differences between the 5.1 and 5.5 and 5.0 versions of my-medium.cnf |
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| [22:57:58] | justinh: | but if this was a *buntu issue surely there'd be a heck of a lot more people noticing this |
| [22:58:04] | sphery: | I was trying to find if there's an easy way to check if it used assembly |
| [22:58:48] | sphery: | heh, there /should/ be, but I don't know if I'd go so far as to say there /would/ be |
| [22:59:02] | Seeker`: | justinh: download the source package seems to be the way to find it |
| [22:59:17] | sphery: | you don't miss what you've never known... if it's always been bad performance for people using the distro... |
| [23:00:07] | Seeker`: | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1189028 |
| [23:00:49] | justinh: | ahh |
| [23:01:14] | sphery: | ah, yeah, that would work--see what configure args their script passes when it builds the package. |
| [23:01:41] | sphery: | I forgot all that would be in the debian dirs |
| [23:02:31] | justinh: | yeah they use assembler |
| [23:02:56] | sphery: | yeah, then nothing else in my configure line would have any effect on speed |
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| [23:03:24] | justinh: | next up.. try a source built mysql :) |
| [23:03:55] | sphery: | fwiw, my configure line: http://pastebin.com/SLyV0JKN |
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| [23:04:07] | Seeker`: | justinh: can you pastebin the options they use? |
| [23:04:15] | justinh: | Seeker`: no I can't |
| [23:04:21] | justinh: | the rules file is huge |
| [23:04:33] | justinh: | I could pop it in my dropbox I guess |
| [23:04:38] | Seeker`: | nah, don't worry about it |
| [23:04:41] | sphery: | maybe it's because they still use /var/lib dir for a data directory instead of following the FHS... ;) |
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| [23:07:00] | justinh: | 1704_20110822094300 |
| [23:07:01] | justinh: | gah |
| [23:07:13] | justinh: | 1704_20110822094300 |
| [23:07:16] | justinh: | what?! |
| [23:08:29] | justinh: | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/15539509/rules |
| [23:08:30] | justinh: | there |
| [23:10:15] | justinh: | I'm off to bed anyway.. right after I copy the work in progress theme to the frontend |
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| [23:12:10] | Seeker`: | thanks justinh |
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| [23:19:37] | wagnerrp: | russia just gave the go-ahead for a train tunnel under the bering strait |
| [23:34:17] | sphery: | Just when I was about to paste http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/9997 ... |
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| [23:42:17] | wagnerrp: | if you want, you could pick up http://www.mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/ . . . /319939.html |
| [23:44:47] | sphery: | heh, I couldn't do more than point him to http://mythbuntu.org/repos |
| [23:46:25] | sphery: | there, it's something |
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| [23:59:12] | Seeker`: | for the watch list, is there a reason that "Days to exclude weekly episodes after delete" can't be set to 0? |
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