Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Saturday, August 20th, 2011, 00:00 UTC

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skd5aner:

you may have to do that with sudo if the permissions aren't set correctly

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Clumpy:

Aww crap... says service unrecognized.

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Clumpy:

On that command...

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skd5aner:

hang on...

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skd5aner:

I could have it wrong for mythbuntu

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skd5aner:

do you see anything in /etc/init.d/myth* ?

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skd5aner:

maybe try "service mythtv-backend restart"

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Clumpy:

I tried just typing mythbackend into terminal and got good database messages but received the following, "Failed to bind port 6543. Exiting."

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skd5aner:

Clumpy

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skd5aner:

that means it's probably already running

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skd5aner:

please look at what I asked above...

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skd5aner:

ls -la /etc/init.d/myth*

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jamiem:

hello. I installed a new DVB-T2 device tonight. It seems to be working quite well, but for some reason while I'm testing recording I am unable to pause, rew/ff or even get info for the recording file. I am dumpbed back to the UI with "Irrecoverable recorder error"

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Clumpy:

Looks like Sudo may have done the trick: http://tinypaste.com/314585

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Clumpy:

Does this mean my back-end is working now?

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skd5aner:

most likely, "ps aux | grep mythbackend

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skd5aner:

without the quote

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skd5aner:

does it show up as a running process in the output?

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Clumpy:

Grep command results here: http://tinypaste.com/59132

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skd5aner:

yup – it's running

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skd5aner:

you should be able to start mythfrontend

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skd5aner:

if in X11, simply enter mythfrontend and it should connect

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Clumpy:

Cool, so now I'm clean?

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Clumpy:

Roger that. Again, crossing fingers...

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skd5aner:

well, as far as I can tell – I don't know if everything is configured correctly or not when itcomes to your tuners and sources, but you said you did that last night

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Clumpy:

I got signal and I got channels from the HD Homerun. I know its working as its clean on my windows boxes...

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skd5aner:

Clumpy: the reason you likely had to use sudo to restar the service is because it looks like you're running as charles... you should be running everything as mythtv...

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skd5aner:

you may have permissions issues if you are running different pieces as different users

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Clumpy:

Should I make an Administrative account for mythtv and just log into the system under that account when I want TV activities on it?

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wagner_:

no, just manage your group rights so everything has access where it needs it

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skd5aner:

I have no experience when trying to run the frontend as a different user than the user that also runs the backend, so I'm not sure how much of a concern it would be

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wagner_:

the frontend doesnt technically need any access

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wagner_:

but it does like at least read-only access

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wagner_:

write access is completely unnecessary

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Clumpy:

OK, in FrontEnd I see that it says "localhost" again. I'm going to change that to 192.168.1.27 to match the backend right?

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skd5aner:

yea, you could add "charles" to the mythtv group and make sure the mythtv group has access to everything it needs (which mythbuntu's packages should have setup for you)

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Clumpy:

I'm in the database screen 1/2 right now in the front-end.

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skd5aner:

Clumpy: yes, go ahead and use the IP

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wagner_:

the only setting the frontend cares about is the database

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wagner_:

and the database can use the hostname

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wagner_:

but, as before, its preferred to use the routable IP address just to make things easier in the future for possible expansion

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Clumpy:

Crap: No dice still. Here's output from the terminal window after running mythtvfrontend: http://tinypaste.com/52a677

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wagner_:

is the backend running?

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skd5aner:

wagner_: yes – http://tinypaste.com/59132

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skd5aner:

(unless it crashed since then)

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[R]:

so is sex talk with sue johansen not on anymore?

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[R]:

i got oxygen again but don't see it

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skd5aner:

2011-08–19 17:12:09.407 Could not open settings file /home/charles/.mythtv/mysql.txt for writing

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Clumpy:

Did you see the comment about "/home/charles/.mythtv/mysql.txt"..

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Clumpy:

You know what I looked at that file in Nautilus and it looks like a link and not even an actual text file.

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skd5aner:

ls -la /home/charles/.mythtv

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skd5aner:

and ps aux | grep mythbackend

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Clumpy:

Ubuntu Community Documentation said remove this crap but permission was denied so I left it alone...

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skd5aner:

Clumpy: run those commands and put in tinypaste please

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skd5aner:

[R]: heh – were you an avid watcher?

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skd5aner:

[R]: is she still alive even?

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[R]:

years ago i watched it, i dont even know, maybe thats why its not on, haha

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Clumpy:

Your ls -al command is as follows: http://tinypaste.com/ea215

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[R]:

imdb says 1996- so no end year

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[R]:

1930, so that would make her

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[R]:

81

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skd5aner:

ls -la /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt

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skd5aner:

Clumpy: ^

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Clumpy:

Grep command: http://tinypaste.com/1271f6

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Seeker`:

is there a way to speed up file seeking from a remote backend? or is it just a funciton of network speed?

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skd5aner:

Clumpy: I'm guessing the symlink has the wrong connection info in it and your "charles" account can't write to it

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Seeker`:

every time I try to skip in a file it comes up with "searching" for a second or so

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skd5aner:

and therefore, it isn't connecting to the right db

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[R]:

skd5aner: imdb lies, wikipedia says 1996 – 2006

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[R]:

2005*

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Clumpy:

Can I just copy the *.txt file from the /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt directory into that home directory

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skd5aner:

well, hold on a sec...

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wagner_:

you could

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skd5aner:

but please don't yet

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wagner_:

but all that does is store the location of the database

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skd5aner:

I want to keep it as "mythbuntu" esq as possible, so we don't undo what it tried to do

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skd5aner:

just "fix" it

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skd5aner:

Clumpy: can you run that last ls -la command for me as well as "cat /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt and put that output in tinybin please?

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Clumpy:

Your ls -la /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt command yields: http://tinypaste.com/a2012d

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skd5aner:

yea... so, that's the issue...

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skd5aner:

root owns that, exclusively...

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skd5aner:

why don't you do this...

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skd5aner:

:sudo chown charles.charles /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt"

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skd5aner:

oops

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skd5aner:

"sudo chown charles.charles /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt"

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skd5aner:

or even sudo chown charles.mythtv /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt

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skd5aner:

really, at this point, just run either one

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Clumpy:

As requested the results of the two commands are here: http://tinypaste.com/769235

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skd5aner:

thx, see above for next commands

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Clumpy:

Did the chown command: "sudo chown charles.mythtv /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt"

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skd5aner:

k... now try running mythfrontend again, and see what happens

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Clumpy:

I'll run it from terminal.

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skd5aner:

k

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skd5aner:

and, just for sanity, are you sure your IP is 192.168.1.27?

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wagner_:

perhaps firewall issues?

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Clumpy:

Wow. Still says it "cannot connect to the master backend server". "Is it running?" "Is the IP address set for it in mythtv-setup correct?"

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Clumpy:

Edit / Connection information shows 192.168.1.27

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skd5aner:

ifconfig says your IP is indeed 192.168.1.27?

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skd5aner:

what does the output of /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log say?

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Clumpy:

Yep,.. ifconfig confirms that IP. Can ping out to the Internet. (Obviously as I'm running IRC from here...)

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skd5aner:

yea, np... just trying to eliminate the obvious

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skd5aner:

Clumpy: find the backend log yet?

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Clumpy:

The back end log is massive...

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skd5aner:

Well, it'd be interested in maybe the last 400 lines

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skd5aner:

s/it'd/I'd

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Clumpy:

It's so big it crashed my web browser when I tried to paste it...

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skd5aner:

you can do "tail -n 400 /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log"

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Clumpy:

Here's a bit from the bottom: http://tinypaste.com/ed2210

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Clumpy:

Seems like it's not seeing channels or something...

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skd5aner:

that doesn't tell me much and shouldn't preventyou from connecting as far as I know

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skd5aner:

but it's still showing a running pid in ps aux, correct?

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skd5aner:

(mythbackend that is)

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Clumpy:

My tuner is there as evidenced by "hdhomerun_config discover" command: http://tinypaste.com/3c57dd

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skd5aner:

actually, just for giggles, run the "sudo service mythtv-backend restart"

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skd5aner:

then try to run mythfrontend again, see if it makes any difference

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skd5aner:

but, I'm going to have to run in a few

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Clumpy:

ran the restart

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Clumpy:

Should I reboot my Silicon Dust tuner with a hard power off?

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williammanda:

I was looking for some advice on a touchscreen remote...I have seen the Nokia N810 being used with several programs ie irreco...I'm looking for suggestions. Thanks

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skd5aner:

well, that shouldn't prevent you from connecting with the frontend ttbomk

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skd5aner:

the tuner would either just show up as unavailable or the channels wouldn't work

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skd5aner:

but the frontend would still be able to connect to the backend

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skd5aner:

williammanda: I like the nevo remotes – but very pricey http://www.mynevo.com/

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Clumpy:

Still getting the backend error...

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Clumpy:

Should I just try this on a fresh newly installed box?

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skd5aner:

well, I'm sure it can be fixed... but if you really want to do that, you should just download the mythbuntu media and install it that way

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skd5aner:

not on top of ubuntu

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skd5aner:

http://www.mythbuntu.org/downloads

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Clumpy:

Live CD sounds like a crock of crap to me. You have to configure it every time you boot from disc?

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skd5aner:

Yea, don't do a Live CD

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skd5aner:

that's only for testing/evaluating/troubleshooting

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skd5aner:

I've got to go... good luck... like I said, if you aren't running linux for other reasons (desktop, server, etc) – and only want it to run mythtv, then use a myth-based distro... and since you picked ubuntu to beging with, might as well stick with mythbuntu

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skd5aner:

use that download link I just provided you, get the iso, and install it from scratch that way – it'll walk you through EVERYTHING

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skd5aner:

and if you have issues with the install, ask in #ubuntu-mythtv

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skd5aner:

later

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williammanda:

skd5aner: which model do you use? cost? Is it RF?

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bruderbell:

Hi folks, I just got my mythtv back up and running, now on 11.04

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bruderbell:

Does anyone know how to force the dang top bar to hide so that mythtv can occupy all of the screen

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bruderbell:

?

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skd5aner:

williammanda: the Q50

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wagner_:

disable compiz

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skd5aner:

williammanda: retail it's like $400 or something rediculous, it use IR and RF

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williammanda:

skd5aner: ty

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ThisNewGuy:

hey all – I transcoded a recording to XVID and now my preview screenshot is all grey – does anyone know how I can get my preview back? running commflag --rebuild doesn't seem to help and then myth thinks the show is half as long as it really is

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williammanda:

Is there anyone here using the Nokia N8x0 as a remote?

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bruderbell:

So I want mythfrontend to restart automatically if it crashes, and I found this article: www.mythtv.org/wiki/Frontend_Loading_Script

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bruderbell:

noob question: where do I put such a script to make it funtional?

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mycosys:

not sure what ubuntu have done ,but it is default on it

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mzb:

has the "Samsung DLNA patch" been applied to 0.24?

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mzb:

http://code.mythtv.org/trac/attachment/ticket/7296/

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mzb:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/commits/442677

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mzb:

um

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mzb:

I can see the mythtv backend ... but I'm getting unsupported file format

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mzb:

AND

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mzb:

although I've got it set to share videos, I can only see recordings

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mzb:

can't get it to work with totem either ... so I must be doing something wrong ;)

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wagner_:

did you configure the local mythvideo file path on your backend?

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mzb:

I think so

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mzb:

it's actually a number of storage groups

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mzb:

I think

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wagner_:

needs to be the local mythvideo folder definitions

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wagner_:

the old style stuff

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mzb:

err

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wagner_:

the upnp server maintained its own list of content

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mzb:

where do I set this?

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wagner_:

the mythvideo setup, in the frontend

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mzb:

in the frontend? ... seems odd concept

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wagner_:

it has been 'fixed' in 0.25

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wagner_:

the upnp server now pulls out of the same tables as the former mythvideo

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mzb:

oh

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wagner_:

and there is a backend call to update those tables instead of the independent upnp ones

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mzb:

"Directories that hold videos" is blank

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wagner_:

as they should be for any sane setup

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mzb:

I'm guessing that would be the problem?

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wagner_:

but... theyre needed for upnp

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mzb:

still trying to wrap my head around this concept ... celebrated the new tv a little too much last night :/

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sphery:

wow, HP is getting out of the PC business (and dumping WebOS)

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wagner_:

in 0.21 and previous, mythvideo files were defined through the frontend, using those settings

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wagner_:

the upnp server was designed to emulate that

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wagner_:

however it maintained its own list of content, refreshed every half hour

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wagner_:

so people who were using upnp, and otherwise never touched the frontend, wouldnt have to run the frontend to update content

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wagner_:

mythvideo switches to storage groups and stops using those settings

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wagner_:

but the upnp server still needs them to be defined to specify where the content is stored

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mzb:

ok, gotcha

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mzb:

so I have to wait ~20mins for this setting to update?

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mzb:

or can I force a change somehow?

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mzb:

--upnprebuild

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mzb:

nm

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mzb:

hah!

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mzb:

promising:

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mzb:

2011-08–20 12:22:22.456 UPnpMedia: BuildMediaMap VIDEO scan starting in :/myth/stores/1000/videos:

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sphery:

heh, that path reads like a sentence

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mzb:

:)

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mzb:

1000,1001,1002,1003 for the 1tB drives ... and 50x for the 500's

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mzb:

figured that was easier since splitting up the raid5 arrary

[02:25:43]

mzb:

array

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williammanda:

Is there anyone here using the Nokia ie N810 as a remote?

[02:26:53]

mzb:

meh ... 'nuv' is "Not supported file format"

[02:27:00]

williammanda:

or someother touchscreen remote?

[02:27:05]

wagner_:

hehehe

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sphery:

You mean the Not Usable Video format?

[02:27:19]

wagner_:

crapola... cant find my old copy of rhino

[02:27:41]

sphery:

(or, I should say, No-longer Usable Video format)

[02:27:50]

sphery:

since no one but mythtv supports it

[02:28:19]

mzb:

that's the one

[02:28:22]

mzb:

avi working!

[02:28:37]

mzb:

pity the browser doesn't do "album art"

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wagner_:

all of my old engineering stuff from undergrad is gone

[02:29:43]

mzb:

wow that's neat

[02:29:46]

wagner_:

wonder if that got lost in the "raid failure of '06"

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mzb:

this is a series 5 Samsung fwiw

[02:30:05]

mzb:

ie: 1080p but not "smart"

[02:31:53]

mzb:

so how do I do multiple directories? ... just semicolon or something?

[02:32:08]

wagner_:

thats how mythvideo used to handle it

[02:32:16]

wagner_:

i dont know if the upnp server duplicates that ability

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mzb:

nope ... videos blank now

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wagner_:

so you can either symlink them in, or update to unstable

[02:36:31]

sphery:

one more reason that the UPnP scanner needed to die

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mzb:

trying colons

[02:37:08]

mzb:

looks better at the backend

[02:38:20]

mzb:

yep ... that works I think ... got a bunch of ISOs that time ... so end result == fail ... trying next dir ;)

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wagner_:

sphery: should i go for mini or micro on this case?

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wagner_:

i was thinking mini, with optional video on a riser card

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wagner_:

nominally 1U

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sphery:

mini or micro?

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mzb:

I don't suppose there's playlist support with this?

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wagner_:

atx

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wagner_:

board size

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sphery:

ahhh

[02:48:58]

wagner_:

the plan was people would only ever use it as a frontend

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sphery:

I always go big (often full, never less than mini), so I'm a terrible person to ask

[02:49:11]

mzb:

hmm

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wagner_:

meaning one slot for one card on a riser is sufficient

[02:49:24]

mzb:

I'd love to be able to use it for my music videos

[02:49:34]

sphery:

how much difference is there?

[02:49:48]

mzb:

if there's _some_ way of doing random playback of a group I'll be on a winner

[02:50:01]

sphery:

I know that users often seem to want as small as possible--even if they don't want to pay for it

[02:50:04]

wagner_:

170 square vs. 244 square

[02:50:08]

mzb:

ie: being able to swap between music & (myth)tv

[02:50:16]

sphery:

is this cube-shaped or more "stb-shaped"?

[02:50:24]

wagner_:

1U

[02:50:30]

sphery:

ahh

[02:50:38]

sphery:

you said that :)

[02:51:00]

wagner_:

standard AV equipment width

[02:51:15]

wagner_:

basically, whatever is needed for board, power, and full size graphics

[02:51:19]

sphery:

so, really not a lot of difference in them--just depth?

[02:51:26]

wagner_:

the entire rest of the width for a big heatsink

[02:51:41]

wagner_:

the one whole side, just a big air channel

[02:52:50]

sphery:

would mini be cheaper than micro?

[02:54:10]

wagner_:

actually, theyre often more expensive

[02:54:24]

wagner_:

and you lose the extra slots and extra memory

[02:54:54]

sphery:

wait, micro is bigger than mini?

[02:55:00]

sphery:

mini = mini itx, then?

[02:55:06]

wagner_:

yes

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sphery:

ahhh

[02:55:17]

wagner_:

mini is 170mm square, micro is 244mm

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sphery:

got it

[02:56:18]

sphery:

yeah, seems reasonable to design it for frontend only with single card

[02:56:46]

sphery:

but there are a lot of people buying atom systems and using them as combined frontend/backend systems

[02:57:16]

sphery:

basically, I don't know which would be more likely to be what most people would want

[02:57:19]

sphery:

:(

[02:57:23]

sphery:

(I'm not being much help.)

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wagner_:

this is for something with decidedly more power than an atom

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sphery:

btw, what did you decide on for your CAD program?

[02:57:38]

sphery:

yeah

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wagner_:

hence the big channel on the side for a heatsink

[02:57:46]

wagner_:

just using rhino for now

[02:57:49]

wagner_:

only one ive used much of

[02:57:55]

wagner_:

although that was over five years ago

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sphery:

just saying that people might want to use it for a combined frontend/backend

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wagner_:

youre not going to do a combined frontend/backend in 1u

[02:58:21]

sphery:

yeah

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sphery:

would be very hard to get reasonable hdd space into it :)

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wagner_:

you could with a custom board

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wagner_:

but... thats beyond the scope of this

[02:59:05]

wagner_:

custom board with integrated tuners and graphics

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sphery:

heh, what? You're not sitting on cash reserves as large as Apple's?

[03:00:19]

iamlindoro:

wagner_: hahahah, best engadget quote ever

[03:00:33]

wagner_:

the pirate one?

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iamlindoro:

yeah

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wagner_:

i even got modded up pretty far for that

[03:01:06]

sphery:

which quote?

[03:01:20]

iamlindoro:

"Huh, that's weird. Why is my computer's CableCARD branding spelled "TORRENT"???"

[03:01:23]

iamlindoro:

to which wagner_ replies

[03:01:28]

iamlindoro:

"Because you're a dirty pirate?"

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sphery:

heh

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sphery:

nice

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** iamlindoro should have a Prime to play with next week **

[03:04:09]

iamlindoro:

Should be fun :) I was thinking about implementing the pseudoscan I mentioned in the commit the other day

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wagner_:

why bother, apparently you can download one right now

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iamlindoro:

haha

[03:04:22]

iamlindoro:

Apparently that DVR is called "Sickbeard"

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sphery:

or bitme.tv--at least that's the one it was called on Trac

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williammanda:

Anyone use a Nokia N770 / N810 as a remote? Or has anyone used something like this?

[03:28:43]

bdfoster:

williammanda, #linuxmce has

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wagner_:

linuxmce runs their own independent frontend though

[03:30:02]

williammanda:

well I went through that already

[03:30:16]

williammanda:

looking for mythtv

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iamlindoro:

And asking about very specific hardware run by practically nobody, on a hobbyist DVR, on IRC, and hardware which isn't even sold new any more, is unlikely to get you far

[03:30:57]

iamlindoro:

ie, phrasing your question to only include a certain subset of a subset of a subset, isn't likely to bear fruit

[03:31:08]

williammanda:

there are several applications for remote via telnet

[03:31:21]

iamlindoro:

Then you would probably get better traction by mailing their authors

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iamlindoro:

I've been here for years and haven't ever had anyone mention using a Nokia anything

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williammanda:

do you have any suggestions?

[03:32:04]

iamlindoro:

for what?

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williammanda:

touchscreen remotes

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wagner_:

didnt Grey Foxx rig a 770 up as a remote?

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iamlindoro:

iPhone and Android are the most commonly used touchscreen remotes

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wagner_:

but that would have been like 4 years ago

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iamlindoro:

and the ones most likely to get a response if you ask about them

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wagner_:

theres maemomyth, using the gmyth library

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wagner_:

but chances are that hasnt been maintained in years

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williammanda:

wagner_: ty...I was just looking for suggestions and you helpped me

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wagner_:

that was made by 30 seconds of googling, which you could have done hours ago

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iamlindoro:

wagner_: Isn't that a hacked together frontend

[03:35:26]

wagner_:

yeah, so not a remote control

[03:35:40]

williammanda:

well I have done some homework

[03:35:55]

williammanda:

wagner you gave a reference

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williammanda:

not that I would buy that ...

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wagner_:

mailing list archives seem to indicate it was cecil messing with a 770

[03:37:01]

williammanda:

iamlindoro: several people have used a nokia devide as a remote

[03:37:23]

iamlindoro:

williammanda: I never suggested that they hadn't

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williammanda:

iamlindoro: I've been here for years and haven't ever had anyone mention using a Nokia anything

[03:38:16]

williammanda:

sorry that is what you said

[03:38:21]

iamlindoro:

I suggested that given the limited market penetration of maemo tablets, the fact that they aren't available new any more, the fact that you're asking in IRC for a very small DVR project, that nobody was going to answer you

[03:38:33]

iamlindoro:

You're right-- nobody has mentioned such a thing in all my years here

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williammanda:

so you haven't been here longer than 3 years?

[03:39:43]

iamlindoro:

I've been here much longer than that

[03:39:57]

iamlindoro:

and in all that time, nobody has ever talked about using a maemo device in this channel

[03:40:06]

iamlindoro:

Now keep it on topic

[03:40:22]

williammanda:

fine ....what you claim has been here longer than 3 years

[03:40:33]

williammanda:

no problem

[03:41:03]

williammanda:

just don't make those claims when someone is seeking help

[03:41:23]

williammanda:

now back to the topic

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iamlindoro:

williammanda: I'm telling you the truth-- nobody here has ever mentioned using a Maemo device, and given how you can't buy one new, and it's obsolete tech, I'm suggesting you aren't going to get an answer

[03:42:03]

iamlindoro:

so what is it you want to hear? That everyone is using them? They're not.

[03:42:10]

williammanda:

well I did ...

[03:42:13]

iamlindoro:

Please feel free to keep pushing your luck

[03:42:18]

iamlindoro:

because you'

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williammanda:

I have been on the lookout for such a device

[03:42:38]

williammanda:

prove me wrong

[03:42:46]

iamlindoro:

? Prove what?

[03:43:01]

williammanda:

prove what you are saying

[03:43:09]

iamlindoro:

What is it you'd like me to prove?

[03:43:33]

williammanda:

I would like for you to step aside

[03:43:41]

williammanda:

for this topic

[03:43:45]

iamlindoro:

Tough

[03:44:15]

iamlindoro:

What else shall we talk about?

[03:44:25]

iamlindoro:

Just you and me now, baby!

[03:44:38]

lyricnz:

the remote interface is really simple. write your own app.

[03:44:45]

williammanda:

anyway....does anyone use or currently attempt to use a touchscreen remote for mythtv?

[03:44:57]

iamlindoro:

williammanda: Lots of people do. On iDevices and Android.

[03:44:57]

** lyricnz uses ipad and iphone occasionally **

[03:45:00]

wagner_:

http://mythtv.org/wiki/Frontend_Control_Socket

[03:45:09]

lyricnz:

when batteries are flat on my bluetooth keyboard :)

[03:45:34]

williammanda:

wagner_: ty I researched and saw that url

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williammanda:

this is the reason I'm here is to get the seasoned mythtv users opinion

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williammanda:

iamlindoro: ty for your opinion...

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lyricnz:

did anyone write a mythweb remote app yet?

[03:47:48]

wagner_:

yes, there has been one in mythweb for years

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iamlindoro:

lyricnz: yes, mythweb has included a remote for some time

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bruderbell:

I am having trouble getting mythfrontend to auto-start at bootup

[04:01:42]

k-man:

when I take screenshots on the mac, they are black

[04:01:48]

k-man:

I mean solid black

[04:01:50]

bruderbell:

Does mythwelcome still exist in .24?

[04:01:59]

k-man:

painter is set to qt

[04:02:04]

k-man:

bruderbell, yes

[04:02:31]

bruderbell:

I'm in Ubuntu 11.04 and can't find mythwelcome to install

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wagner_:

if you dont have a combined frontend/backend that you want to shut down when idle, you shoudlnt be using mythwelcome

[04:03:17]

bruderbell:

I'm on a combined front/back. I just want mythfrontend to be there every time it boots

[04:03:34]

bruderbell:

I leave it running 24/7, but in case of power outtage, etc

[04:03:42]

k-man:

bruderbell, what distro are you running?

[04:03:50]

bruderbell:

or mythfrontend crash

[04:04:00]

bruderbell:

Ubuntu 11.04

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wagner_:

so use the autostart documentation on the wiki

[04:04:41]

bruderbell:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Frontend_Loading_Script

[04:04:48]

bruderbell:

?

[04:05:12]

wagner_:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Frontend_Auto_Login

[04:05:34]

k-man:

wagner_, is mythwelcome not also usefule for restarting the FE in case of a fe crash?

[04:05:39]

williammanda:

bruderbell: you will need to install compizconfig setting manager

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wagner_:

k-man: its overkill

[04:06:14]

wagner_:

personally, i use the inittab bit on that page

[04:06:19]

williammanda:

when you do I will tell you what to do

[04:07:01]

williammanda:

but understand compiz will cause you tearing problems

[04:08:24]

bruderbell:

Does the frontend auto login method restart the frontend in case of crashes?

[04:09:14]

bruderbell:

williammanda: what do you mean "tearing problems"

[04:10:22]

williammanda:

bruderbell: running mythtv and compiz will not be painless

[04:10:43]

bruderbell:

I'm logging in with teh gnome desktop

[04:10:51]

williammanda:

bruderbell: there is a tradeoff

[04:11:05]

bruderbell:

I'm listening

[04:12:05]

williammanda:

bruderbell: running both causes problems

[04:13:03]

bruderbell:

i've got the settings manager

[04:13:18]

williammanda:

you get the ease of use but mythtv pays the price

[04:13:49]

bruderbell:

what do you recommend for optimal performance on a 11.04 machine for mythtv

[04:13:57]

williammanda:

to get rid of the top pane....

[04:14:06]

williammanda:

I can show you

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williammanda:

but tearing will happen

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bruderbell:

tearing of the video when playing back in mythtv?

[04:14:42]

williammanda:

don't use compiz

[04:15:06]

williammanda:

what happens now?

[04:15:22]

bruderbell:

I uninstalled it at one point, but I then had no desktop

[04:15:31]

bruderbell:

yeah right now it has tearing

[04:15:59]

williammanda:

decide what you want...

[04:17:00]

bruderbell:

I want clean video playback

[04:17:46]

bruderbell:

So if I understand it right, compiz is a part of the unity desktop

[04:17:56]

bruderbell:

Are you saying I should not use the unity desktop?

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wagner_:

bruderbell: im using the inittab method, meaning init automatically logs in that terminal to that user

[04:19:25]

wagner_:

when the user logs in on that terminal, the bashrc starts X

[04:19:38]

wagner_:

when X starts, the xinitrc automatically starts mythfrontend

[04:20:05]

bruderbell:

wagner: are you on ubuntu?

[04:20:09]

wagner_:

if mythfrontend terminates, it brings down X, the user logs out, and init starts the whole process automaticaly

[04:20:23]

wagner_:

bruderbell: this is distro independent

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wagner_:

and im using gentoo

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bruderbell:

I guess I'm getting lost because I have no file in /etc called inittab

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wagner_:

well, it SHOULD be distro independent

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k-man:

bruderbell, ubuntu probably uses some fancy alternative

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iamlindoro:

It is. Ubuntu has inittab

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iamlindoro:

including latest Ubuntu

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iamlindoro:

or at least, it will respond if you add one

[04:22:42]

iamlindoro:

Though it might complain about it being deprecated

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wagner_:

though it would be wrong

[04:23:16]

wagner_:

everyone has to rewrite the whole thing

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wagner_:

i dont understand why...

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bruderbell:

How many ttyX should I put in there?

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wagner_:

most systems run 1–7, with 8+ used for X sessions

[04:26:07]

bruderbell:

so where my ubuntu 11.04 doesn't have inittab OOTB...it must be using another mecahnism to do that same thing, right?

[04:26:22]

bruderbell:

by me adding inittab, am I going to drain memory?

[04:26:31]

wagner_:

more likely upstart simply goes off an internal copy if none is detected in the filesystem

[04:26:35]

wagner_:

drain memory?

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bruderbell:

It talks in the wiki about being aware how many virtual terminals to maintain memory

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wagner_:

each terminal is going to take something like 256KB of memory for a scrollback

[04:27:56]

wagner_:

if youre concerned about that, buy more memory

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bruderbell:

indeed.

[04:31:14]

wagner_:

sphery: seems like theres just not enough room for power supply, board, and full height graphics card on a riser

[04:31:21]

wagner_:

going to have to reposition the power supply internally

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bruderbell:

williammanda: can you help me configure my 11.04 system for clean playback in mythtv?

[04:32:49]

sphery:

this may well turn out to be a custom design... The Wagner Mini

[04:33:58]

wagner_:

i was planning to size it against the one on the bottom... http://www.seasonicusa.com/1u.htm

[04:35:01]

wagner_:

although i wouldnt be against an open frame supply stuffed deeper inside the case

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sphery:

I'm just happy you're going 80+

[04:39:00]

sphery:

but it's only 520W... can't you find a bigger one? ;)

[04:39:09]

wagner_:

bottom one, the 250

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sphery:

(I know, the bottom one is 250... but was commenting on how many people go with the bigger is better approach and en up losing much or all benefit of the 80 plus)

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bruderbell:

and now the big test. I shall reboot and see what I've done.

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bruderbell:

...I appear to have not accomplished much. My system booted and no frontend started.

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williammanda:

bruderbell: yes decide...do not use the unity desktop or not

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bruderbell:

if I sudo apt-get remove unity will I still be able to get to my gnome desktop?

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oobe:

there is no need to remove any desktop unless you are trying to save space just use your dm most likely gdm to choose which desktop you use

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oobe:

btw gnome desktop wouldnt be a great choice for running mythfrontend

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wagner_:

git, i hate you

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[R]:

lol

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wagner_:

Beirdo: around?

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stuartm:

I hate git more

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wagner_:

i commit a change to trunk

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wagner_:

except i forgot to pull first

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wagner_:

so rather than make a huge merge, i decide to remove the commit

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wagner_:

so... i rebase, and leave the commit out

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wagner_:

only to have git re-hash all of the merged commits, all 23 of 'em

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wagner_:

so if i push it, i hose up the whole repository

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wagner_:

git reset --hard isnt fixing things

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wagner_:

and ive got a fair bit of code stashed away, so i cant easily drop the whole thing and reset

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wagner_:

this is the problem with git

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wagner_:

if you want to actually use its features

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wagner_:

its so hard to get the whole thing horribly fubar'd with no hope of recovery outside of some guru

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[R]:

haha, im watching always sunny

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[R]:

they were high on coke, but dindt have anymore left

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[R]:

so they are doing flour, and think if they do enough of it, it'll keep them high

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wagner_:

yeah...

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wagner_:

Beirdo: whenever you get back, im going to need some help working my way back out of this mess

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stuartm:

wagner_: it doesn't help you now, but in future 'git pull --rebase' will un-apply your local commits, pull in remote changes then apply your changes back on top again

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wagner_:

i had to manually dig through the logs to find out specifically what the last commit before i botched everything

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wagner_:

and reset to that

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wagner_:

well that wasnt fun

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wagner_:

im going to bed

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stuartm:

fwiw, "git pull --rebase" is about as close as it gets to "svn up", git just makes you work harder to achieve the same end

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stuartm:

git config alias.up 'pull --rebase'

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stuartm:

hmm, I wonder if you can alias pull itself

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stuartm:

no ;(

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dekarl:

who wants ticket #10000? I got add patch in the pipeline but it's not ready yet ;)

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dekarl:

(and don't get cought calling your ticket "\"; truncate tickets;\""...)

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Seeker`:

hehm is 10,000 tickets a good thing or a bad thing? :P

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rileyp:

mceusb how to use irsend in natty kernel 2.6.38.10 I cant get it working to switch on/off projector and receiver control anyone kind enoughto help

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iamlindoro:

And ticket 10,000 is.... invalid.

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iamlindoro:

Hmm. Actually, it may not be

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stuartm:

Seeker`: a significant percentage of submitted tickets turn out to be duplicates or invalid for some reason, we've currently less than 350 open tickets so it's not as bad as it sounds

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stuartm:

I like to think that the number of tickets we receive shows that people care ;)

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Evil-I:

Hi All, I've been trying for about 6 months to get a MythTv tuner farm up and running on Fedora 15, but have yet to really make it work.

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Evil-I:

Is there anyone here who has MythTV 1.24.1 running on Fedora 15?

[14:28:23]

laga:

Evil-I: perhaps you need to ask a better question

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Evil-I:

Okay, not familiar with irc to be honest so wasn't sure how to go about asking for help

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Twiggy2cents:

My frontend is running on F15 with the current mythtv out of the repos

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Evil-I:

I'm running 2 x Hauppauge DVB-t tuners (1 x PCI, 1 x USB) as well as a Hauppauge DVBS-2 card, yet when adding capture cards I get Frontend IS: could not get info for card /dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0 Subtype: Unknown error

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Evil-I:

any thoughts?

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Evil-I:

frontend0 is the DVB-S2 card btw

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Evil-I:

I have the same message for frontend 0–5 (so 1 x DVB-S2 and 4 x DVB-t)

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Twiggy2cents:

Are you following any guide for setting them up or just winging it?

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Seeker`:

I've got my new backend set up – I seem to be getting audio repeating the last second or two about once every 20 seconds when watching live TV

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Seeker`:

It doesn't seem to be an issue when watching videos

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Seeker`:

and if i skip backwards and watch the same bit again, it doesn't do it the second time

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Seeker`:

any ideas on how to fix it?

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[R]:

what abotu recordings?

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Seeker`:

not that I've seen

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Seeker`:

seems to stop doing it totally after skipping backwards actually

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[R]:

what kind of device are you using?

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Seeker`:

which tuner card? Nova-T 500

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[R]:

so dvb

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[R]:

hrm

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[R]:

weird

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Seeker`:

the fact that skipping backwards stops it occuring for that period of watching livetv might imply it is something to do with not enough buffering?

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[R]:

no, just that its not properly synced

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Seeker`:

it plays fine for a while, then the video stutters and the last couple of seconds of sound repeat

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Seeker`:

then it just carries on like normal for 20 seconds

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[R]:

well livetv sucks, so...

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[R]:

and you're sure recordings are fine?

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Seeker`:

its a new backend, so I've only got one sample to play with at the moment, and i haven't seen it doing it

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[R]:

you can playback recorded livetv, you just need to switch the filter to show them

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[R]:

try playing one of them like a recording

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Seeker`:

[R]: not doing it. Only on current LiveTV it would seem

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[R]:

well that sucks

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Seeker`:

yup

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Seeker`:

hence why I was asking for a solution :D

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[R]:

stop using livetv crap?

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Seeker`:

mmm, not that helpful

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EvilGuru:

Seeker`: What does the frontend say when this happens?

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Seeker`:

probably won't be able to get it to do it again now

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Seeker`:

give me a min

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Seeker`:

EvilGuru: bah, not doing it now -_-

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sphery:

wagner_: you might be interested in responding to [mythtv-users] The elusive silent myth BE/FE box [in search of]

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wagner_:

i saw that, hadnt read through it

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sphery:

not sure what "25W Sandy Bridge" he's talking about, but it seems a good thing he's not looking to Atom

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sphery:

(though TTBOMK, some of those low-power sandy bridge processors are still pretty limited)

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wagner_:

its a mobile chip

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sphery:

anyway, he's trying to do a combined frontend/backend with 4 drives--and make it silent (and, I assume, pretty)

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sphery:

three 2.5" HDDs and one 3.5" HDD

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stuartm:

dekarl: in a multi-person household it's absolutely the correct behaviour to mark recordings as unwatched if someone starts watching from the beginning again and the potential for mistakes if we didn't also exists if you take your example in reverse, say you've jumped to the end of the recording to check that the entire programme was recorded, then back to the beginning you don't want it marked as watched because it hasn't been

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sphery:

stuartm: agreed... and it's always worked that way for exactly that reason

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stuartm:

keep in mind that the watched status is tied to expiry order for many (most?) people, it's why I wrote the watched flag stuff in the first place

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stuartm:

I built a mythtv box for my parents but they would never remember to delete after watching, so the auto-expirer was deleting stuff they hadn't watched but leaving stuff they had seen ... the idea of a watch flag and preferring watched recordings when expiring was born and the rest is legend ... *cough*

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stuartm:

one of the first features I ever committed, maybe even the first one ... too long ago to remember now

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nooneami:

okay, who wants to buy me ahd prime?

[17:40:49]

nooneami:

Or, lend me one, so I can see if it works with my shiny cable company?

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dekarl:

stuartm, sphery: for me it's been a negative surprise (as in undocumented at the place where I enabled the option) that the watched flag gets automatically set *and* reset. I want to use it for auto expiry but more so for the "Watch List" (? Beobachtungsliste). Maybe a tristate option (leave it / just set it / set and reset it) is the answer?

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Seeker`:

EvilGuru: it seems to coincide with "waiting 100ms for video buffers"

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justinh:

hmmm woke up to a deadlocked backend again

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Seeker`:

justinh: happen often?

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Seeker`:

also, does the pre/post roll function apply automatically to all future recordings?

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justinh:

Seeker`: happened a couple of times since I updated to 0.24

[18:39:18]

wagner_:

pre-post roll is for playback

[18:39:25]

wagner_:

i.e. the film reel rolling

[18:40:00]

wagner_:

but there are event triggers for both recording and playback

[18:42:32]

Seeker`:

If I set "Time to record before start of show (secs)" to 180, will it automatically apply to recording profiles I have already set up?

[18:43:00]

wagner_:

oh, i thought you were talking about the event triggers

[18:43:22]

wagner_:

the "run this command when this event happens" stuff

[18:43:47]

wagner_:

the soft passing set by those options are global

[18:43:56]

wagner_:

they will not affect scheduling

[18:44:07]

wagner_:

and will only be applied if they dont conflict with another recording

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Seeker`:

is there a global option that will change scheduling?

[18:44:59]

wagner_:

change scheduling how?

[18:45:34]

Seeker`:

so that it will start recording everything X seconds early, and move stuff to other tuners to allow it to do so, without having to go and change each recording rule individually

[18:45:44]

wagner_:

no

[18:45:54]

wagner_:

that has to be set per-rule

[18:46:28]

Seeker`:

is it worth me putting that as a feature request somewhere?

[18:46:55]

wagner_:

why do you think you need such a feature?

[18:47:43]

Seeker`:

because at the moment I have to change it for every recording rule manually

[18:47:54]

wagner_:

yes, but why does it need changing?

[18:48:51]

Seeker`:

because it fairly consistently seems to cut off the start of some programs being recorded. Even with the clock being updated via NTP

[18:49:11]

wagner_:

so your guide data is bad

[18:49:23]

Seeker`:

only by 30–50 seconds

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justinh:

broadcasters are never on the nose these days

[18:50:07]

justinh:

try the BBC.. 10 minutes here, 10 mins there...

[18:51:02]

wagner_:

i believe there is an option to set a default offset for use with new rules

[18:51:16]

wagner_:

but adding an option to blanket change all rules to that would be seen as dangerous

[18:51:23]

wagner_:

and not likely something that would be accepted

[18:51:29]

Seeker`:

it doesn't have to be a blanket change

[18:51:41]

Seeker`:

it could be an "additional"

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wagner_:

but if ALL the channels were wrong, then the guide data should be fixed

[18:53:54]

Seeker`:

its not a consistent offset. Sometimes programs start slightly late. Sometimes programs start slightly early. It happens often enough that it is worth recording the extra to avoid missing stuff.

[18:54:11]

justinh:

welcome to the world of slack broadcasting

[18:54:35]

justinh:

just set the global pre-roll for new rules & re-create your existing ones or edit them

[18:55:19]

wagner_:

FFS... another "is this ION system a good frontend?" thread on the mailing list

[18:56:45]

Seeker`:

aha, with -v playback, my stuttering problem is a rsult of "Video is X frames ahead of audio doubling video frame interval to slow down"

[18:59:25]

Seeker`:

any idea what could be causing that?

[18:59:57]

justinh:

holy cow how long is it taking to delete old recording rules?

[19:00:25]

Seeker`:

?

[19:00:56]

justinh:

Seeker`: trying to play on underpowered hardware

[19:01:12]

[R]:

justinh++

[19:01:23]

justinh:

saw it a lot on my EPIA frontend before it went bin-ward

[19:01:32]

wagner_:

what hardware are you using?

[19:02:08]

justinh:

wife just bit my head off cos some junk on ITV didn't update in the guide quickly enough when she set it to record

[19:02:28]

justinh:

saturday is a busy night for the scheduler, with all the RUBBISH she records

[19:02:45]

Seeker`:

me? An nvidia GT430, with VDPAU

[19:02:48]

** justinh deletes X-FACTOR recording rules just for giggles **

[19:02:58]

Seeker`:

justinh: got a comfy sofa? :P

[19:03:10]

justinh:

ITV rots your brain

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[R]:

justinh: s/i//

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justinh:

jesus this is like wading through treacle going through previously recorded & deleting old rules

[19:04:04]

justinh:

[R]: ITV more than most

[19:04:07]

wagner_:

Seeker`: that is a graphics card, what hardware are you using? meaning CPU

[19:04:22]

Seeker`:

Q6600

[19:04:38]

wagner_:

try using opengl and 'standard' (ffmpeg)

[19:04:40]

wagner_:

see if that works

[19:05:01]

Seeker`:

wont that screw trying to play back bluray?

[19:05:15]

wagner_:

no, youve got plenty of power in that CPU to play bluray in software

[19:05:28]

justinh:

Seeker`: who cares for now... it'll eliminate or implicate :-)

[19:05:49]

justinh:

ok this is seriously annoying now

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justinh:

ow. oldrecorded has 14885 rows

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Seeker`:

will wait to see if it happens again now

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Seeker`:

hmm, get quite a bit of tearing with this

[19:09:13]

wagner_:

enable opengl vsync

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orificium:

My integrated nForce 750a card (on a Asus M3N-HDMI) supports VDPAU but still can't use it in mythtv. stutters pretty bad. gotta use ffmpeg :(

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Seeker`:

wagner_: which menu can i find that in

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wagner_:

should be in the playback profiles

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justinh:

junk like "all star family fortunes" presented by Vernon C***

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wagner_:

orificium: youre probably using too intense of deinterlacers

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justinh:

delete from record where title like "%star%";

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justinh:

not bloody surprised scheduling takes so darn long

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Seeker`:

wagner_: cant see an opengl vsync option. I'm running 0.24.1-fixes btw

[19:14:10]

orificium:

wagner_: where do I change deinterlacers – don't see it in general playback

[19:14:22]

wagner_:

what playback profile are you using?

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orificium:

I'm using Slim – I've tried using VDPAU Slim

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wagner_:

that chip should be capable of VDPAU Slim, but i doubt it could manage Normal

[19:16:16]

orificium:

never had any luck with VDPAU Slim. – let me try increasing # of cores – might help?

[19:16:49]

Seeker`:

isn't the point of VDPAU that you aren't using the CPU

[19:16:49]

wagner_:

nope

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orificium:

Didn't the first page ont he General Playback settings use to have a vsync option? don't see it anymore.

[19:17:07]

wagner_:

Seeker`: that is the point, yes

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Seeker`:

orificium: can't see one there. Or in the screen to configure playback profiles

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orificium:

I don't see one on the first page orin the playback profiles for vsync

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orificium:

I do believe you can configure vsync in nvidia x server settings though

[19:20:15]

orificium:

eh – maybe not

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sphery:

all vsync configured in/handled by drivers

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justinh:

I might just turn duplicate checking off

[19:21:40]

justinh:

it's more of a PITA than anything else nowadays

[19:22:38]

orificium:

Were deinterlacing settings moved elsewhere? I noticed the wiki page says it's outdated as of .24

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justinh:

oldrecorded is now 8827 rows in set

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Seeker`:

wagner_: still getting the video ahead of audio using ffmpeg & opengl

[19:23:57]

wagner_:

is this a remote frontend?

[19:24:06]

Seeker`:

yes

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wagner_:

connected how

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Seeker`:

100mbit wired ethernet

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orificium:

ugh – I should just get a better video card. this 750a chipset just doesn't cut it.

[19:25:36]

Seeker`:

wagner_: only using about 2MB/sec according to iftop

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Seeker`:

so nowhere near saturating the connection

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Seeker`:

wagner_: the problem is also worsse than when I was using VDPAU

[19:38:13]

wagner_:

i would bet its a problem with the video content itself

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wagner_:

some funky broadcast

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wagner_:

if both vdpau and ffmpeg barf on it

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justinh:

so er.. if I disable dupe checking by default & only enable it for certain things in future (say for series with unique episodes) scheduling should be a lot faster, no?

[19:41:12]

orificium:

wagner_: does this look more like an audio related problem than VDPAU? – http://pastebin.com/vi7J9uBE

[19:42:46]

Seeker`:

wagner_: ffmpeg was far far worse. Was doing it every 10 seconds with ffmpeg, done it once in the lat 10 mins with vdpau normal

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justinh:

where are the default recording rule dupe checking settings?

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Beirdo:

wagner_: hmmm, what did ya do? :)

[19:54:32]

wagner_:

i got it fixed last night

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wagner_:

after much consternation

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Beirdo:

ahhh, sorry.

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Beirdo:

the one way to fix it would be to do a reset hard origin/master

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Beirdo:

and then put your changes back in

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wagner_:

yeah, but 'git reset --hard' wasnt doing it

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wagner_:

i had to tell it to reset against something like 50 commits back

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Beirdo:

yeah

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Beirdo:

that's why I was saying to reset to origin/master :)

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wagner_:

yeah, i did that

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wagner_:

repeatedly

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Beirdo:

that would put it to exactly what's on github (well, the last pull)

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wagner_:

and yet...

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Beirdo:

glad you got it worked out though

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justinh:

seems there's no way to change default dupe settings

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justinh:

boo

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Beirdo:

git does allow you to shoot yourself in the foot, but usually people avoid doing so

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wagner_:

yeah, i did it with a 12 gage

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Beirdo:

so today... I think I want to move the VDI files for my Vista VM over to zvols on my freebsd box, and use iscsi

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Beirdo:

since virtualbox is happy to do so

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Beirdo:

I redid it anyways so I could get all the updates in. and python

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wagner_:

does it show up as an iscsi iBFT? or just as a fake disk?

[20:02:06]

justinh:

what? no way to never check for duplicates on an existing rule?

[20:02:10]

orificium:

Seeker`: hey – I created my own playback profile and used "Standard" (ffmpeg) for decoder and vdpau for the renderer. No stuttering with this.

[20:02:16]

Beirdo:

seems if you run out of space while doing windows update, you are hosed

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justinh:

ah not when it's in progress already. heh

[20:03:01]

Beirdo:

to the guest, it shows up as a disk. the iscsi initiator is builtin to virtualbox

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Seeker`:

orificium: will give it a go if stuttering comes back with VDPAU normal

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Beirdo:

at least that's my understanding

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Beirdo:

anyways, I need to go eat and caffeinate

[20:04:21]

Beirdo:

the fun begins in a bit

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orificium:

Are the dinterlacing settings gone now? One field, bob, temporal...etc?

[20:06:03]

wagner_:

those are only available with the xv and opengl renderers

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orificium:

I see you can play with custom filters now

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wagner_:

as you have for years

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orificium:

I haven't been back tot his VDPAU wiki page in quite awhile.

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orificium:

:)

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EvilGuru:

VDPAU works well, so long as you disable compositing

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wagner_:

vdpau works with compositing, you just get nasty tearing

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EvilGuru:

That and stuttering every 4–5 secs

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wagner_:

i dont recall the stuttering

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EvilGuru:

News tickers are a good example

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orificium:

yeah I've got compositing disabled in my xorg

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EvilGuru:

It is a fixable problem with Xfences, however

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** EvilGuru could never figure out why VDPAU does not get you an OpenGL texture **

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wagner_:

it can be made to

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wagner_:

if the programmer so chooses

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EvilGuru:

Any reason it is not widely used?

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wagner_:

it would only be of use trying to extract decoded frames for external processing

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iamlindoro:

It was added way, way, way after VDPAU was released, so most applications already had implementations

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wagner_:

i.e. commflagging or transcoding

[20:13:56]

wagner_:

but decoding is far from the hard part of transcoding asymmetric codecs

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EvilGuru:

How does VDPAU work for stuff like the OSD

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wagner_:

vdpau offers an opengl-like interface to run the OSD through

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iamlindoro:

And because it prevents the use of some of the VDPAU deinterlacing niceties that some people swear by

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EvilGuru:

as it seems to use a hardware chroma-keyed overlay

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iamlindoro:

VDPAU has its own compositing API

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wagner_:

iamlindoro: no, you can always push the frames back into the vdpau renderer for output

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wagner_:

(unless of course there are conflicting resource needs when you do that)

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iamlindoro:

wagner_: That doesn't make any sense

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iamlindoro:

of course you can-- but why would you pull it out as a GLX texture, then push it back in?

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wagner_:

you can run the VDPAU renderer with software decoding

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wagner_:

some form of external post processing

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wagner_:

you like wasting your PCIe bus bandwidth on senseless endeavors

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iamlindoro:

wagner_: The XBMC guys have been pretty specific about how their need to get things out of VDPAU as a GL texture have caused deinterlacing problems

[20:16:31]

wagner_:

ah, didnt know of that

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EvilGuru:

Is that an nvidia bug?

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wagner_:

probably less of a bug, more trying to shoehorn the interface to do something it was never supposed to do

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iamlindoro:

what he said

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justinh:

like rendering the whole UI on top of video? ;-)

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wagner_:

people at nvidia probably never considered anyone would want to pull the frames back to the CPU, only to push them right back to the card

[20:17:34]

EvilGuru:

I'm surprised that the first impl did not let you get it as a GL texture

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EvilGuru:

As most things had GL compositing/rendering back then (I think)

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iamlindoro:

EvilGuru: What makes you think a GL texture is better? It's worse.

[20:18:22]

iamlindoro:

The only time you'd need one is when you're *forced* to use a GL-only interface

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iamlindoro:

as XBMC is

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iamlindoro:

There's a severe resource hit in pulling it out, let along pushing it back when you're done

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EvilGuru:

iamlindoro: It would not pull it to the CPU

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EvilGuru:

If you have a GL texture it can happily be on the GPU already

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iamlindoro:

EvilGuru: Who said anything about CPU?

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EvilGuru:

'Pulling it out'

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iamlindoro:

The VDPAU to GL surface transform has substantial overhead

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EvilGuru:

It really should be toll free

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iamlindoro:

meaning things which deinterlace or decode just fine suddenyl become unplayable

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iamlindoro:

It's not.

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EvilGuru:

Sigh, at least with OpenCL they did a reasonable job at letting you grab CL stuff from GL

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sphery:

wow, wagner_ is faster than me, again

[20:27:18]

sphery:

seems I was 5-min slower on an e-mail reply

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wagner_:

faster? come on

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wagner_:

the original email was like an hour and a half ago

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wagner_:

:)

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sphery:

heh, yeah, from that standpoint you were only 6% faster than me (sounds better than 5-min faster)

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sphery:

you're like the CPU they charge 40% more to buy, but that only gives a 6% speed bump

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wagner_:

but its the important 6%

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EvilGuru:

Or the tax refundable 40%

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Guest:

Hello together! I have an VERY VERY important question.

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Seeker`:

Where do babies come from?

[20:35:21]

Guest:

Could you please freenode me?

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wagner_:

i dont even know how to answer that

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laga:

yes.

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[R]:

freenode is a verb?

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Seeker`:

Guest: would you like fries with that?

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laga:

hush, you're a box

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Guest:

It means to connect me with the internet.

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** wagner_ freenoded [R]'s mom repeatedly last night **

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[R]:

ROFL

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Seeker`:

wagner_: you quaked her net?

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[R]:

guest: if you're not on the internet, you are talking to yourself right now?

[20:37:12]

[R]:

guest: you should probably see a doctor about that...

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wagner_:

we are all just voices in your subconscious

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Guest:

I donÂ´t know but this is not the internet.

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Seeker`:

multiplayer notepad \o/

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Guest:

This is fucking IRC

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Guest:

not the internet

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wagner_:

internet relay chat

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wagner_:

THE INTERNET

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stuartm:

wow

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wagner_:

no swearing in this channel, one and only warning

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Guest:

Fuck your mother.

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stuartm:

anyhow, just to be the joy kill I'll remind everyone that the channel rules ask everyone to be nice

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[R]:

ROFL

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stuartm:

the topic used to say it too

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laga:

7nick Guestz

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laga:

err, Guest.

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AndyCap:

another satisfied customer. :P

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laga:

i definitely do not hear him complaining

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wagnerrp:

i really should do that more often

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wagnerrp:

so i dont have to take the time to look up HOW to do it every time

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Seeker`:

what? ban people?

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AndyCap:

irc client aliases

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Seeker`:

auto_bleh on irssi ftw

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wagnerrp:

in xchat, you just right click their name, and click ban

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Seeker`:

/abk nick

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wagnerrp:

but you had already kicked him by the time i got authenticated , so he wasnt around to do so

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iamlindoro:

It would be nice if quiet was on there

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iamlindoro:

(in xchat)

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wagnerrp:

i wonder if it can be made to auto-op with chanserv

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sphery:

right clicking in my irssi window just highlights a bunch of stuff

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sphery:

this xchat you're using must be magical

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Seeker`:

sphery: auto_bleh ftw :P

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iamlindoro:

Interesting... apparently someone at Hauppauge told someone from a forum that there wouldn't be Linux drivers for their CableCard tuner for several months... yet I had it on good authority that it works with libhdhomerun... So I guess the "several months" is for the USB ethernet drivers? (or just plain wrong?)

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stuartm:

someone told someone, who knows a guy with a second cousin ...

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iamlindoro:

heh

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iamlindoro:

Well, I could probably have phrased it better, too

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iamlindoro:

rather, I am reading a post that says Hauppauge Sales said the above

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stuartm:

ah, well a sales bod, that's almost better than the scenario I described above ;)

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stuartm:

I'm sure we know two or three people at a minimum who can give a definitive answer

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stuartm:

sadly I don't see any of them here right now

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iamlindoro:

Yeah, one among those was the one who mentioned that it works with libhdhomerun, and I take his word as fact

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iamlindoro:

My gut says it probably works just fine on linux, or if it doesn't that it's not more than a few hours work to make it do so

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iamlindoro:

That said, there are suddenly a number of options for a cablecard tuner known to work with myth, so...

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iamlindoro:

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justinh:

lol. no accounting for taste

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wagnerrp:

well she IS running one of her frontends under a VM

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wagnerrp:

what do you expect

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wagnerrp:

:)

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wagnerrp:

justinh: so you have some first hand experience in the electronics field

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wagnerrp:

whats your opinion on internal versus external power supplies?

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justinh:

personal opinion is that I hate them with a passion

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justinh:

I can see good reasons to have external PSUs though. makes approvals cheaper for one thing

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wagnerrp:

yeah, that was the one rebuttal on the mailing list that made sense

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justinh:

depends what the thing is. if it's an appliance, say a kitchen or bedroom radio... external PSUs are a pain

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wagnerrp:

can you not simply have some open frame design that you slap in a case and have approved?

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wagnerrp:

you have to get the whole device approved?

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justinh:

if it's low-voltage only, leaving the PSU approval to somebody else it's basically just a box ticking issue AFAIK

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justinh:

but if you have a built-in mains powered unit... full approval required IIRC

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wagnerrp:

i mean something like this... http://silverstonetek.com/images/products/lc05/lc05-v5.jpg

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wagnerrp:

you cant just get that one board approved

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wagnerrp:

you have to get the whole thing?

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justinh:

also easier when you use an external brick vs internal if the supplier disappears. very easy to find a different source – whereas if it's some weird size to fit in your box... you're boned if they go down

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justinh:

wagnerrp: there's mains on that board?

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stuartm:

not with any standard connector that I've seen

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wagnerrp:

guess that thing in the top right is DC->DC

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justinh:

yeah

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justinh:

simple approval :)

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wagnerrp:

a bunch of them are DC internal with AC external

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wagnerrp:

thats garbage...

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justinh:

depends if you want a fanless PSU or not

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justinh:

picopsu etc :)

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justinh:

supplied by a brick bigger than the PC case

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wagnerrp:

yeah, thats my complaint

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wagnerrp:

that people are selling these tiny little devices

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justinh:

anyway I still feel like crap so I'm going back to bed

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wagnerrp:

only to have an external brick, or worse, something strapped to your wall

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wagnerrp:

bigger than the entire rest of the unit

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wagnerrp:

i know i have seen ones where they wire 14C plug up to an internal power supply

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wagnerrp:

so the thing doesnt have to be as wide

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wagnerrp:

perhaps ive imagined the whole thing

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sphery:

couldn't you just use a pogoplug, so the wall wart /is/ the device? they should be plenty powerful enough, right?

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StevenR:

hrrrm. can I stream a dvd from backend -> frontend? i.e. my laptop is a frontend, but has no optical drive, however, the backend has one.

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wagnerrp:

StevenR: yes

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StevenR:

wagnerrp: cool... do I need to do something "special" to make it happen? The laptop's frontend doesn't see the DVD drive on the backend... the fe/be plays the dvd just fine

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wagnerrp:

use 'Video' storage folders defined in mythtv-setup on the backend

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wagnerrp:

oh, an actual physical DVD?

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wagnerrp:

no, you cant do that

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StevenR:

yeah

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StevenR:

oh :(

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wagnerrp:

you can only stream VIDEO_TS folders and ISOs

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StevenR:

so if I can mount the dvd as a data drive, I can use it

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wagnerrp:

no, because encrypted disks cannot yet be streamed remotely

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skd5aner:

s/can only stream VIDEO_TS folders and ISOs/can only stream unecrypted VIDEO_TS folders and unecrypted ISOs

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StevenR:

ok. thanks for clarifying both :)

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StevenR:

for encrypted DVDs, it's the frontend doing the work?

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wagnerrp:

only for local files and physical DVDs

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wagnerrp:

nothing remote

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wagnerrp:

the libraries used for decryption need direct file access

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StevenR:

wagnerrp: yeah. I understand. Thanks

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ClownStunt:

#mythbuntu

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mythmeat:

So I'm running a MythTV frontend (0.24.1) on OSX. When I play recordings I get a scrambled bar across the very bottom of the screen. I figured bumping up the Vertical scaling would solve it, but it has NO effect on it. Am I missing something?

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