Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Friday, August 19th, 2011, 00:00 UTC

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Seeker`:

sphery: he didn't say what you should do beforee you delete it

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wagnerrp:

i didnt imply there was anything to be done before deleting it

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wagnerrp:

or after

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Beirdo:

I vote that you pull another drive at random

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Seeker`:

:O sphery should cease to exist after deleting it?

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Beirdo:

just to make your life more interesting

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sphery:

heh

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lyricnz:

I'm kindof tired of having a full-sized PC as my myth frontend (though backend is fine). What are decent options for small form-factor quiet replacements?

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lyricnz:

boxee? appletv? macmini?

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lyricnz:

Far too lazy to build my own. PC is too noisy (disk+psu), even with nice fanless GPU.

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wagnerrp:

the boxee box and appletv are underpowered garbage

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wagnerrp:

the mac mini used to be a nice box, until apple went to amd graphics

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wagnerrp:

asrock has a nice (but very pricey) 1155 board and case with integrated GT425M

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wagnerrp:

other than that, you can get by with a mini-itx 1155 board an intel graphics in an M350

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lyricnz:

ugh, lot of hassle, eh?

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wagnerrp:

or get a larger case with a low profile GT430 or so, with any dual core Core2/AthlonII or better

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lyricnz:

maybe I go buy a tivo... :)

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lyricnz:

My frontend works fine except (a) another damn linux box to maintain, (b) not quiet, (c) power consumption

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wagnerrp:

or, get a big beige box with large parts, and drill a hole through the wall behind your tv for the wires to go through

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lyricnz:

and HDMI on linux another pain.

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wagnerrp:

use network booting, the machine can be maintained remotely

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wagnerrp:

or even better, you can use a shared image to maintain multiple machines at once

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wagnerrp:

modern desktop CPUs dont use much power

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wagnerrp:

a decent enough graphics card will idle around 15–20W

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wagnerrp:

Core2 and AthlonII chips will idle around 30W, and i3 chips will idle under 20W

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wagnerrp:

denser memory sticks with fewer modules will draw less power

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wagnerrp:

2GB is plenty for a dedicated frontend

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wagnerrp:

the llano systems are interesting, but amd graphics still cannot be trusted

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wagnerrp:

intel graphics should be sufficient, but their ability to deal with TVs with funky input modes and broken EDID data is lacking

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lyricnz:

yeah, my hardware is prolly ok – except DVI->HDML means that I need to use RCA for audio to my tell (no stereo in that room)

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sphery:

lyricnz: the asrock: http://www.asrock.com/nettop/overview.asp?Mod . . . 03D%20Series (as mentioned, pricey--like in up to about $900 or so)

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sphery:

it is a very nice box and small/mac-mini like

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sphery:

just a bit expensive (you pay for the small and sleek design)

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** lyricnz looks **

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lyricnz:

hopefully nv not ATI

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lyricnz:

ok intel, that's sorta ok

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sphery:

no, that's NVIDIA® GeForce GT425M Graphics

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wagnerrp:

it has a mobile nvidia chip

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sphery:

wonder if you got redirected to some non-US page with a different spec on it

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sphery:

guessing you might be in NZ?

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lyricnz:

I used to be, Australia now

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lyricnz:

yup, looks like nv chip. but you're right , pricey

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sphery:

yeah, there is/was an Intel GMA version, too, but you'd want the nvidia one

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sphery:

Seems the older model (Coree100 HT/B2) was the Intel GPU one – http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856158022

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sphery:

Core100, that is

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sphery:

guess it's like 98 better than the Core 2 systems

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sphery:

older model is only about $500 (but not nvidia)

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wagnerrp:

wow... $400 just for an nvidia 425?

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sphery:

heh, I'm guessing it's $390 for the new model and $10 for the nvidia :)

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: you might have an idea of this, know of any decentish cheap CAD programs?

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wagnerrp:

autocad sucks, solidworks is $150, rhino is $195, proe seems to have changed names and isnt listing prices

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wagnerrp:

i figured blender was more for animation than cad purposes

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sphery:

I always thought ProE didn't list prices because, "If you have to ask, you can't afford it."

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wagnerrp:

well, there is likely that too

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wagnerrp:

same with catia

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wagnerrp:

with nvidia out of the embedded market, and nvidia still the best candidate for linux video

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wagnerrp:

seems like its getting more and more worthwhile to fabricate your own stuff if you want something small

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sphery:

agreed

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sphery:

are you going to cad one up?

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wagnerrp:

ive got a good idea of what i want to build

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** sphery can't wait to get his new WagnerPC **

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wagnerrp:

but i want to 'cad it up' to make sure there are no interference issues

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Beirdo:

hmm, CAD software... there's a couple for 3D stuff that work well with the makerbots and the like, but I can't recall the names

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wagnerrp:

openscad?

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wagnerrp:

can that really be considered a cad program?

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wagnerrp:

it looks more like a non-interactive graphics renderer

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wagnerrp:

well if nothing else, i think ive still got an ancient copy of rhino sitting around from an undergrad project

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Beirdo:

OK, time to go home. via foooood

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wagnerrp:

food is going to take you home?

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Beirdo:

yup

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wagnerrp:

like this? http://www.car24h.org/wp-content/uploads/2011 . . . na-car-1.jpg

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bruderbell:

So my mythfrontend is viewing live tv just fine, and it will playback content just fine, but I can't get the list of recorded content to populate

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bruderbell:

I bring it up, but it appears empty. Mythweb shows all my content and can play it. And I can initiate playback on my frontend via mythweb

[03:14:35]

bruderbell:

but I'm getting no love via the mythfrontend menus. I checked the filters and it is set to show all programs..

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bruderbell:

Any ideas out there?

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tank-man:

try looking at the logs when it begins and finishes a recording

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bruderbell:

which log do you recommend?

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bruderbell:

http://pastebin.com/MfDvRcgC

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bruderbell:

I noted that there is a new recording with a totally bogus name – mss compression blah blah....and it won't delete

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tank-man:

the log file for the backend

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sphery:

bruderbell: did we already send you to http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Frequently_Asked_Q . . . ecordings.3F

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wagnerrp:

why did you give us your system logs?

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wagnerrp:

also, why are you using pulseaudio?

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bruderbell:

I'm not sure what pulseaudio does.

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bruderbell:

I'll google and see why I have it

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bruderbell:

sphery: I checked that site, and neither of the suggestions applies

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bruderbell:

Filters and views are set to all programs

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sphery:

I still say that filters and views are the only thing that can cause a recording to not show up in Watch Recordings

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sphery:

unless all your recordings exist in the Deleted or Live TV groups (at which point they shouldn't show in MythWeb, either)

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bruderbell:

I've got the whole host of them in mythweb as recorded programs

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sphery:

So I think there must be something else going on...

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sphery:

are you sure the frontend is actually looking at the right database?

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sphery:

and the right backend

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bruderbell:

I'll double check

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bruderbell:

wagnerrp: regarding pulseaudio --I dont' know. Is it a default or something?

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wagnerrp:

it tends to be on more modern distros

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wagnerrp:

but most people have no real need or use for it

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wagnerrp:

and it jjust ends up getting in the way

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bruderbell:

copy. audio is working well for me at this point...when I can get things to playback

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bruderbell:

livetv audio works well – so does recorded content, when I get it to play

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wagnerrp:

more than likely, mythtv is simply suspending pulseaudio for you automatically

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bruderbell:

so I'm on a combined front end/back end

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bruderbell:

my database server is localhost

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bruderbell:

database is mythconverg

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bruderbell:

how can I verify that user and pass are correct?

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bruderbell:

in mysql admin I see two entries under mythtv

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bruderbell:

@localhost and @%

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sphery:

if it's just the one database on your network, it's probably all good

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k-man:

bruderbell, could you try loging in to mysql using the mythconverg login/pw?

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sphery:

but I really can't see any other reason why you'd be missing recordings in Watch Recordings without errors in mythfrontend logs

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sphery:

bruderbell: wanna post the mythfrontend log output showing starting mythfrontend, going to Watch Recordings (to pastebin.com , please)

[03:52:48]

bruderbell:

will try to collect log and will pastbin it

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bruderbell:

does it always write out mythfrontend.log?

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Gibby:

anyone use sl6.1 with myth?

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sphery:

mythfrontend will always log to the console, but some distros have a script that starts mythfrontend that could log to a file somewhere

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bruderbell:

I apologize for my lack of understanding. What do you mean always log to the console?

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wagnerrp:

the console, the thing you type commands into

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bruderbell:

I have mythfrontend.log in /var/log/mythtv

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wagnerrp:

thats what hes looking for

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bruderbell:

http://pastebin.com/VwfNGqMY

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bruderbell:

Ok. I had it log the mythfrontend session. I opened it, opened the recorded content, then closed it. Log is there

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sphery:

bruderbell: mysql -umythtv -p mythconverg -e "UPDATE recorded SET bookmark = 1 WHERE bookmark != 0;"

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wagnerrp:

first off, youre running an old unstable version of mythtv

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wagnerrp:

that should be resolved

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sphery:

or just update to current MythTV 0.24-fixes

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bruderbell:

I tried a sudo apt-get but the newest in the repo is this one

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bruderbell:

Suppose I need to read more about how to compile it myself

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wagnerrp:

then you need to enable the mythbuntu ppa

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sphery:

you need to enable the 0.24-fixes repo

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sphery:

http://mythbuntu.org/repos has info

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bruderbell:

Working on that

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wagnerrp:

a length mismatch is bad juju

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wagnerrp:

either there is something really wrong with the networking code

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sphery:

no, that's: http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/7467#comment:2

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wagnerrp:

or somehow you managed to connect across the version mismatch, and then there is something even more wrong with the networking code

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bruderbell:

I have a show that recorded and the filename is super funky

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bruderbell:

and it won't delete

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bruderbell:

filename is:

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sphery:

it's a bug in Qt's MySQL driver. I sent them a patch and they applied in in 4.6.1 or 4.6.3 or something

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bruderbell:

MSS unknown text compression 56MSS unknown text compression 255MSS unknown text compression 255Pap ofisland 7ï¿½Papoliededed.zap

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sphery:

and for good measure, I put a db update in before 0.24 to fix the broken data in the db

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bruderbell:

and i can't get that beast to delete

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wagnerrp:

are you using EIR?

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wagnerrp:

EIT

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bruderbell:

yes

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bruderbell:

I've seen funky filenames like this occassionally before, but never this dorked up

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bruderbell:

and I could always delete the file before

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wagnerrp:

but youre in north america

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wagnerrp:

specifically utah

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bruderbell:

this one – I can't delete it in mythweb. I can delete other recorded content

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wagnerrp:

eit is garbage in the states

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sphery:

(actually, was 2 bugs, and I sent 2 patches, and the 2nd was applied in 4.6.3)

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sphery:

bruderbell: once you get mythfrontend working, it will almost definitely allow you to delete it

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bruderbell:

Copy

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bruderbell:

Yeah the EIT here has a fair amount of errors, but it works well enough to get along

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sphery:

updating to 0.24-fixes is /definitely/ worth the effort and something you should do, but if all else fails, the mysql line I gave you above will fix the issue

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wagnerrp:

except you get maybe a couple days

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wagnerrp:

more likely a dozen hours

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wagnerrp:

you cant very well schedule with that little data

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bruderbell:

That is true. I usually get 12 hours worth of listings

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sphery:

way more than I had on my VCR in 1983

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wagnerrp:

and thats only for broadcast

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bruderbell:

but it schedules alright for me

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bruderbell:

Ok so mythbuntu repos is asking what verion I wan tto update to. 24.x for 25?

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bruderbell:

*or

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sphery:

bruderbell: $20/yr (= just over a nickel a day) gets you 2 weeks of high-quality listings that will allow duplicate matching and allow mythbackend to work for you (instead of your having to work to use MythTV)

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wagnerrp:

if you dont want to do something so drastic, there should be an option for 0.23.1

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sphery:

bruderbell: 0.24x

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sphery:

do 0.24.x

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wagnerrp:

but updating to 0.24 would be preferred

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sphery:

The DB update isn't in 0.23.1

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bruderbell:

Roger. it is working

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wagnerrp:

especially since you only have the one system to do

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sphery:

pretty sure...

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bruderbell:

So I installed the repos, and now I need to..?

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sphery:

[23159]

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MythLogBot:

SVN 23159: (branch master) https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/a7fdf731

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bruderbell:

hm i'm on it

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bruderbell:

nm

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sphery:

heh, actually, the db update is in 0.23

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sphery:

so you'll /have/ to manually fix the bad data

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sphery:

that got put in after your 0.23 update

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sphery:

*mumble* *mumble* EIT

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sphery:

~mysql -umythtv -p mythconverg -e "UPDATE recorded SET bookmark = 1 WHERE bookmark != 0;"

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bruderbell:

I didn't realize the alternative to EIT was o inexpensive

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sphery:

best $20/yr I spend :)

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bruderbell:

it is working on the .24 upgrade

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sphery:

and it's the exact same data that TiVo users pay about $15/mo to get

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bruderbell:

so consensus is that I need to run a manual sql command to remove some bogus data?

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sphery:

yeah

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sphery:

or upgrade Qt to 4.6.3 or higher :)

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sphery:

the manual sql command is much easier, though :)

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bruderbell:

Alright it thinks I am on .24 now

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bruderbell:

methinks I may need to reboot the system?

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Beirdo:

is it running Windows?

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[R]:

lol

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Beirdo:

if not, then about the only reason usually for a reboot (in Linux) is to use a newer kernel

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Beirdo:

well, and power failures

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bruderbell:

Pardon my windows experience...lqtm

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Beirdo:

or installing additional hardware :)

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[R]:

Beirdo: so we are building this new hardware module at my work, and the guy who did the schematic reversed the D+/D- on usb

[04:45:52]

Beirdo:

hehe

[04:45:54]

Beirdo:

fun

[04:46:03]

bruderbell:

sphery: do I run that command in mysql query browser?

[04:48:29]

sphery:

bruderbell: you can do this directly in a terminal: mysql -umythtv -p mythconverg -e "UPDATE recorded SET bookmark = 1 WHERE bookmark != 0;"

[04:48:34]

sphery:

mysql -umythtv -p mythconverg -e "UPDATE recorded SET bookmark = 1 WHERE bookmark != 0;"

[04:48:52]

SpankHolio:

Anybody know squat about HD HomeRun setup on Ubuntu 10.04 with MythTV...

[04:48:52]

sphery:

(above I seem to have gotten a tilde char before mysql somehow in the copy/paste)

[04:48:59]

bruderbell:

thx

[04:49:07]

bruderbell:

gotta get the right user password now

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sphery:

not sure what that would be

[04:49:38]

sphery:

it's in your $HOME/.mythtv/config.xml

[04:49:45]

sphery:

or $HOME/.mythtv/mysql.txt

[04:50:13]

SpankHolio:

Newbie MythTV user trying to give it a go and don't get any action from "hdhomerun_config discover" command in terminal.

[04:52:00]

bruderbell:

I'm getting a super cool popup now that says: The server uses network protocol version 63 but this client only udnerstands 56...

[04:52:21]

wagnerrp:

somehow you have managed to update your backend and not your frontend

[04:52:52]

wagnerrp:

SpankHolio: the only reason that should happen is ether your HDHR is not on, not connected to the network, or is on a different broadcast subnet from your backend

[04:52:58]

bruderbell:

indeed

[04:54:11]

Beirdo:

so I'm kinda liking the LCD on the frontend

[04:54:56]

SpankHolio:

Well, HD Homerun works like butter on WMC on Win7. I'll admit to being very confused by the setup of MythTV. Tried the Ubuntu Community Documentation but can't even see the HDHR.

[04:55:07]

SpankHolio:

Using Ubuntu 10.04. Is that a problem?

[04:55:23]

wagnerrp:

SpankHolio: except the 'hdhomerun_config' has nothing to do with mythtv

[04:56:43]

SpankHolio:

Funny thing is that the HD Homerun can be seen on a web browser on the Ubuntu box. Shows device and firmware when I go to its IP address in a web browser.

[04:56:51]

bruderbell:

http://pastebin.com/eiyqTF9P

[04:56:58]

bruderbell:

mythfrontend.log

[04:57:31]

wagnerrp:

SpankHolio: the HDHomeRun autodetection works through broadcast packets, as opposed to the more common multicast upnp

[04:57:51]

wagnerrp:

that means your HDHR and you backend must be on the same physical network

[04:57:56]

wagnerrp:

and they must be on the same subnet

[04:58:23]

wagnerrp:

if that is not the case, you can still access the HDHR directly using the IP

[04:58:26]

wagnerrp:

but autodetection will not work

[04:58:55]

wagnerrp:

note that there are some older issues with use of IPs and the HDHR

[04:59:02]

wagnerrp:

namely that you cannot access the second tuner while doing so

[04:59:12]

wagnerrp:

if you cannot get autodetection to work

[04:59:22]

wagnerrp:

and instead need to manually define the ip address to access in mythtv

[04:59:31]

wagnerrp:

you must be running a recent version of 0.24.1

[04:59:32]

SpankHolio:

They are on the same network and subnet to my knowledge. I wouldn't be able to ping or pull up the web page with the device firmware if it was off my subnet right?

[04:59:48]

wagnerrp:

sure you would, you would just have to go through a router

[05:00:12]

wagnerrp:

or otherwise have your routing tables set up such that you would access it directly

[05:00:42]

sphery:

bruderbell: so it's working, now?

[05:00:45]

wagnerrp:

or, you could have some firewall rule that is blocking broadcast detection

[05:01:00]

bruderbell:

that's the log i get after getting the popup about the different backend protocol

[05:01:17]

sphery:

I'd recommend just rebooting the whole system

[05:01:20]

wagnerrp:

bruderbell: have you updated your frontend to 0.24 to match the backend?

[05:01:23]

SpankHolio:

Thanks wagnerpp. I don't think there is a problem seeing it other than the "hdhomerun_config discover" they talk about in the Ubuntu Community Documentation doesn't fly....

[05:01:24]

sphery:

something wasn't restarted/reloaded properly

[05:01:37]

bruderbell:

sphery: me reboot?

[05:01:41]

sphery:

bruderbell: yep

[05:01:46]

SpankHolio:

Is that a problem or should I just forget about it?

[05:01:50]

bruderbell:

Rog. back in a couple

[05:02:00]

SpankHolio:

I just checked and the HD Homerun is working great right now on one of my other Windows bgoxes...

[05:02:02]

wagnerrp:

SpankHolio: mythtv should autodetect your HDHR in the same manner that the hdhomerun_config application does

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wagnerrp:

as mythtv is using an internal version of the same hdhomerun library

[05:02:27]

wagnerrp:

if autodetection by that script does not work

[05:02:33]

wagnerrp:

then autodetection in mythtv will not work either

[05:02:37]

wagnerrp:

s/script/application/

[05:02:47]

wagnerrp:

however you can still manually define the IP address you want to access it on

[05:03:00]

wagnerrp:

but as mentioned, if you do so, you need to be running a recent version of 0.24.1

[05:03:05]

SpankHolio:

I'm really confounded by this BackEnd FrontEnd stuff.

[05:03:16]

wagnerrp:

http://mythtv.org/wiki/Executive_Overview

[05:04:07]

wagnerrp:

the idea is that the backend does the recording

[05:04:22]

wagnerrp:

and the frontend accesses the backend for recordings and live recordings over the network

[05:04:32]

wagnerrp:

you can run the frontend locally, you can run the frontend remotely

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wagnerrp:

it doesnt matter so long as you have sufficient bandwidth to handle the video stream

[05:05:03]

wagnerrp:

you can run multiple frontends remotely, so long as you have sufficient bandwidth to handle the throughput

[05:05:06]

bruderbell:

can I just say that you guys here are amazing. I appreciate the help you've given so far

[05:05:22]

wagnerrp:

you can run multiple backends to add in additional tuners once the master backend runs out of expansion room

[05:05:30]

bruderbell:

reboot let the frontend update completely, so I no longer have diff protocols

[05:05:34]

wagnerrp:

SpankHolio: its basically an extension of the same idea of the HDHomeRun

[05:05:47]

bruderbell:

however..I still have no recordings in my list

[05:05:59]

wagnerrp:

make the tuner accessible over the network, so many computers can access the content

[05:07:44]

SpankHolio:

All right, I see now. How do I figure what version of MythTV was installed. I just clicked on some crap in the Ubuntu repositories and didn't pay any attention to the version...

[05:08:14]

wagnerrp:

mythbackend --version

[05:08:27]

wagnerrp:

sphery: what was it that got bought up by google? it wasnt sagetv

[05:08:45]

sphery:

bruderbell: glad the reboot helped... can I see a new frontend log showing startup -> Watch Recordings

[05:09:14]

SpankHolio:

mythbackend --version ? – Oh thanks wagner

[05:09:23]

sphery:

wagnerrp: yeah, was Sage TV (per irc logs)

[05:09:35]

wagnerrp:

was?

[05:09:43]

wagnerrp:

ah, i missed the small note on the wiki page

[05:10:02]

SpankHolio:

Is this version Ok? "v0.24.1-72-g4bc24ed"

[05:10:12]

wagnerrp:

should work fine

[05:11:51]

SpankHolio:

All right, I'm going into the back end setup and I might have some Q's. Thanks. I'm going to try setting it to the IP address of the HD Homerun. Just pinged the HD Homerun at 192.168.1.111 and getting good ping action back in my terminal....

[05:12:50]

SpankHolio:

Wow.... Is it normal to put this "Myth Back End" in your System Administration Folder?

[05:13:00]

SpankHolio:

No wonder I couldn't find the dang thing.... :-)

[05:13:09]

wagnerrp:

i dont know what you mean

[05:13:10]

bruderbell:

http://pastebin.com/QQZUJgV0

[05:14:03]

bruderbell:

A side note: is there a better way to copy/paste a log file than to display as much as fits in nano in the terminal, copy, paste, scroll, copy paste, etc?

[05:14:09]

** Beirdo grumbles about windows SUCKING **

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SpankHolio:

I'm talking the icon to launch the backend deal. Don't know squat about mythTV commands yet so the terminal's not much help to me...

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wagnerrp:

i dont have an icon to launch the backend

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bruderbell:

spankholio: th ebackend runs as a server, all the time. the only thing to launch is the configuration, and that only needs to be done at the start

[05:20:32]

SpankHolio:

Well, I've got one in my System Admin menu in Ubuntu 10.04... I didn't put it there... I presume this is some kind of default when you instal v0.24.1-72-.....

[05:21:13]

bruderbell:

All I've got is MythTV Backend Setup

[05:21:30]

sphery:

bruderbell: I don't use GNOME terminal, but on xterm, you can start highlighting, then scroll to the end, then use the right mouse button to finish the highlight

[05:22:09]

wagnerrp:

SpankHolio: rather, that is something the mythbuntu packages do

[05:22:34]

wagnerrp:

if you dont use their packages, you dont have those icons, or that configuration utility

[05:23:40]

SpankHolio:

Ahh, I think I see my problem.... My IP address on this box is 172.27.35.X but my router/switch is standardized on 192.168.1.X....

[05:23:46]

sphery:

bruderbell: that explains why the 0.23 update didn't fix your data--because it's a different column

[05:24:15]

bruderbell:

sphery: oh?

[05:24:23]

wagnerrp:

sphery: is google disbanding google groups?

[05:24:24]

SpankHolio:

I presume that's an issue with the whole hdomerun_config command issue... Is that true?

[05:24:30]

bruderbell:

I'm not sure how I made it into this state

[05:24:46]

wagnerrp:

SpankHolio: yes, that would be a problem

[05:24:51]

SpankHolio:

I just never manually changed the IP settings on this Linux box since I set it up a while back...

[05:25:42]

bruderbell:

I'm confused as to how mythweb is seing the data correctly when I have the wrong column

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sphery:

bruderbell: please run: http://pastebin.com/NJ0GDHiS ... Make sure when you paste it into a terminal that the last line is EOF without any spaces following it

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sphery:

then hit Enter

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bruderbell:

roger that. done

[05:31:23]

sphery:

now try Watch Recordings, again, please

[05:32:32]

bruderbell:

producing log now

[05:32:49]

sphery:

same thing?

[05:34:10]

sphery:

which Qt version do you have?

[05:34:33]

bruderbell:

http://pastebin.com/Qsm1mZg

[05:35:01]

sphery:

seems to be a mis-pasted link

[05:35:05]

bruderbell:

how do I check my qt version?

[05:35:27]

sphery:

qmake --version ("Using Qt version ...")

[05:35:41]

sphery:

might need to do qmake4 --version

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bruderbell:

http://pastebin.com/0gZGH4ze

[05:38:06]

bruderbell:

apparently i have no version of qmake

[05:38:39]

bruderbell:

I take it I need one?

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sphery:

no, only if compiling mythtv

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sphery:

how about: pkg-config --modversion QtCore

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bruderbell:

no package qtcore

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sphery:

you did the same capitalization?

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bruderbell:

pkg-config --modversion QtCore

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sphery:

ok, you'll have to figure it out using your package manager, then

[05:42:26]

sphery:

since I have no clue where *buntu stuck your Qt4, so I can't give you the right directory for PKG_CONFIG_PATH

[05:42:41]

sphery:

but if you know where Qt4 is, you could do something like: PKG_CONFIG_PATH=/opt/qt/lib/pkgconfig pkg-config --modversion QtCores

[05:43:52]

bruderbell:

libqtcore4 installed verstion 4:4.6.2–0ubuntu5.2

[05:45:18]

bruderbell:

It says I have the latest version

[05:49:18]

sphery:

bruderbell: OK, so what's the output of: http://pastebin.com/YTCuiaKx

[05:50:31]

sphery:

yeah, I was just checking to make sure you had a version that doesn't have the fix for the bug that I was 99.9% positive is affecting you (and now I'm 99.99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 999999999999992% positive this is it)

[05:51:27]

k-man:

2?

[05:51:35]

k-man:

or is that rounding error?

[05:51:37]

bruderbell:

http://pastebin.com/g5nm3t8h

[05:52:52]

k-man:

I always loved the proof in maths that 9.99..recurring == 10

[05:53:39]

sphery:

bruderbell: hmmm... not seeing any out-of-range values

[05:54:41]

sphery:

I doubt I'll be able to figure this out without a copy of a a backup of your database. If you'd like to make one ( http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_and_Restore ) and send the link (in a private message to me), I'll download it and take a look at it tomorrow

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sphery:

but somewhere you have some invalid data that's causing your old Qt to break

[05:55:15]

bruderbell:

I would love to get my mythtv back running!

[05:55:26]

sphery:

you're on Ubuntu 10.10?

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bruderbell:

10.04

[05:56:06]

sphery:

so the other option would be updating to 11.04 (10.10 may also have a Qt >= 4.6.3, which is the version with the patch for the bug that's causing problems for you)

[05:56:35]

bruderbell:

would that update effect anything on my system?

[05:56:39]

bruderbell:

apache? php?

[05:57:18]

bruderbell:

I'll do whichever leads to a resolution with minimal time spent by you

[05:58:45]

sphery:

well, updating your distro version is a pretty major change

[05:58:52]

sphery:

so only do that if you're ready to/want to

[05:59:17]

bruderbell:

well, this box is pretty much just an appliance for DVR. So i'm good with it

[05:59:27]

sphery:

updating your Qt version on the existing distro version would impact any apps that use Qt4

[05:59:29]

bruderbell:

I'll go to 11.04

[06:00:21]

bruderbell:

hmm

[06:00:23]

sphery:

I'm pretty sure that will fix the issue you're seeing

[06:00:28]

bruderbell:

it doesn't show in my update manager

[06:00:33]

bruderbell:

i only get 10.10

[06:00:50]

sphery:

I don't know my *buntu well enough to help with the distro update

[06:01:17]

bruderbell:

that's cool. I recall reading that you can only go one step at a time.

[06:01:28]

sphery:

I also don't know which version of Qt came bundled with 10.10 (but I'd think that if you're taking the time to update, going to the current version of Ubuntu makes the most sense)

[06:01:30]

bruderbell:

Do you suppose I'll dork up my existing database, etc, by distro upgrading?

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sphery:

You definitely want to do a DB backup before you upgrade

[06:02:37]

sphery:

This will walk you through doing a MythTV DB backup (but back up any other DBs you may have, too): http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_and_Restore

[06:03:09]

sphery:

mainly section 2 "Quick Start"

[06:03:18]

Spanky:

Anybody using an HD HomeRun out there?

[06:04:23]

Spanky:

Just figured out you might want to check your IP address on your Linux Box. Didn't know Ubuntu did that stupid Automatic Private IP address range like Windows does...

[06:04:48]

bruderbell:

Rog. I got it backed up just now.

[06:05:15]

Spanky:

Never touched the IP settings or looked at 'em when I installed Ubuntu for first time... Found out the dang IP wasn't on the same IP as my router....

[06:05:17]

k-man:

Spanky, what?

[06:05:33]

k-man:

was it not running dhcp?

[06:05:50]

k-man:

I seriously think ubuntu causes more problems that it solves

[06:06:34]

Spanky:

My ubuntu doled out an ip address of 172.27.35.X straight out of the box while my router is standard set in the 192.168.1.X

[06:06:53]

wagnerrp:

of course the inability to access the internet is generally a good giveaway that things arent working

[06:07:00]

wagnerrp:

something had to set that 172 address

[06:07:24]

wagnerrp:

172.16/4 is a reserved range, but it is not designated for auto-configuration

[06:07:38]

Spanky:

Anyhow, the upshot after a change from DHCP to Static is now I can successfully run "hdhomerun_config discover" command...

[06:07:51]

wagnerrp:

your backend should always be a static address anyhow

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Spanky:

Finds it clean as a whistle in my terminal now...

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k-man:

sounds like you have 2 dhcps servesr on your network

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wagnerrp:

whether statically defined by your init setup, or by a static definition on your DHCP server

[06:08:20]

k-man:

Spanky, I would check to see if you have dhcp enabled on your ubuntu box as well as on your router

[06:08:28]

wagnerrp:

yeah, that 172 address was handed out by some DHCP server somewhere

[06:08:37]

Spanky:

No, actually, I just never touched the IP settings from an original Ubuntu 10.04 install and never really looked at the IP settings on this particular box before....

[06:09:08]

wagnerrp:

run 'arp -a'

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Spanky:

OK, got it. Checking...

[06:09:19]

wagnerrp:

there is another 172 device you have recently communicated with on the network

[06:09:21]

k-man:

man, at my work, I have this linksys voip device and it somehow reset itself to factory defaults and turned on its DHCP server – that tottaly screwed me here. took me quite a while to work out wth was going on

[06:09:34]

wagnerrp:

arp lists the database of local network devices

[06:09:49]

** wagnerrp heads to bed **

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k-man:

night wagnerrp

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wagnerrp:

in the morning, more jamu/miro patches to commit

[06:10:46]

Spanky:

www.routerlogin.com (192.168.1.1) at 00:18:39:a5:a8:1a [ether] on eth0

[06:11:12]

Spanky:

tracy-PC.local (192.168.1.113) at 00:25:d3:cd:75:00 [ether] on eth0

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k-man:

Spanky, don;t paste it here – paste it to a pastebin

[06:11:29]

Spanky:

tracy-PC.local (192.168.1.113) at 00:25:d3:cd:75:00 [ether] on eth0

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Spanky:

That's what I got with the arp-a command. (K-man – just 3 lines...)

[06:11:51]

k-man:

Spanky, 2 lines too many to paste

[06:12:30]

Spanky:

Looks like only the one router is configured with dhcp – the other two are machines on the network...

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k-man:

Spanky, pastbin your /etc/network/interfaces

[06:14:10]

k-man:

anyway, how did you set the static of your ubuntu box?

[06:14:33]

k-man:

you want to be careful that your router is not going to had that address out to any other machine

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Spanky:

The address of the HD Homerun is 192.168.1.111

[06:16:04]

Spanky:

Been running on WMC Vista / 7 for a long time just fine and the IP hasn't ever changed...

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Spanky:

K-man – not ubuntu guru here... Hang on... http://pastebin.com/60Z4RMcU

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k-man:

lets suppose you assigned 192.168.1.112 to your ubuntu box, and then tomorrow, you hook up your shiny new iphone to your network. your router might hand out 192.168.1.112 to your iphone unles you tell it that your ubuntu box has manually had that ip assigned to it

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k-man:

then you will have 2 machines on the same network with the same ip – which is bad

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k-man:

hmm... that seems odd---- there is no eth0 entry

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k-man:

can you paste the output of sudo ifconfig

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k-man:

I have no idea about WMC vista, and I don't really see how this relates to the issue

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Spanky:

I've never really messed with the HD HomeRun. Been working for over 2 Years and I don't seem to lose the HD Homerun in Windows...

[06:22:49]

Spanky:

Haven't really paid attention to the IP address it's assigned until now trying this MythTV stuff...

[06:23:03]

k-man:

I'm not talking about the hdhr, I'm talking about your ubuntu box

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Spanky:

The ubuntu box I just set static. Probably weren't there for my previous discussion on that one. It's 192.168.1.127...

[06:25:07]

Spanky:

Anyhow, the change to the static allowed the "hdhomerun_config discover" command to work making me feel like I made progress...

[06:25:25]

Spanky:

Now to configure the backend or should I do something else first?

[06:25:41]

k-man:

well, according to the network file I asked you to paste, eth0 is not configured, I suspect if you reboot it won't have the correct address

[06:25:56]

k-man:

imho, you need to fix your network first

[06:26:11]

k-man:

how did you configure the network before?

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Spanky:

My ifconfig is as follows: http://pastebin.com/wcegVGGq

[06:27:18]

k-man:

does ubuntu do some weird non standard way of configuring networks?

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Spanky:

What's wrong with my network? It's seeing the HDHR box in my terminal now using the "hdhomerun_config discover" command. That seems like good news to me...

[06:28:01]

Spanky:

Yes. It reminds me of that stupied "Auto Private IP" address stuff they do in a lot of default Windows installs.

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k-man:

Spanky, I'm not an Ubuntu expert, but from what I can see, I think your network settings are not permanent – so when you reboot it will have forgotten its ip address

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rileyp:

does Irsend work with kernel 2.6.38-10-generic anda mceusb transciever? I cant get it working it was fine in lucid

[06:28:37]

Spanky:

As mentioned, I put it on the same IP range and subnet and now the HDHR is returning that it is being found on the network...

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k-man:

Spanky, ok, try rebooting

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k-man:

see if it still sees the hdhr

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Spanky:

Yes, it works. http://pastebin.com/CGcFcuhv Now to configure this MythTV backend for the first time. Crossing my fingers.

[06:32:09]

Spanky:

Ok, I'm in the backend configuration selected from System / Admin / Back End MythTV Setup icon. Is that cool or should I run from terminal with a sudo command?

[06:33:35]

Spanky:

Card Type is HD HomerRun DTV tuner I presume...

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Spanky:

Oh cool... What do you suggest, go with the Device ID or the IP Address. Seems like the Device ID may be a better bet as it is fixed. K-man may be right and the HD Homerun could dwell at a different IP at a later date...

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k-man:

Spanky, so you rebooted?

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Spanky:

Looks like the capture card stuff is done... What about the General Setup? Do I use the same IP address as the Ubuntu box or does it need to be separate or what?

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k-man:

ok, so apparantly ubuntu uses networkmanager which is why the interfaces file is more or less emtpy

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k-man:

Spanky, do you know how to log into your router?

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k-man:

bbl

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rileyp:

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justinh:

oh nice. I found some Torchwood Miracle Day artwork

[12:24:16]

justinh:

oh you bastards. it's 4:3

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justinh:

ARGHH I HATE THE GIMP! Stupid load of crap

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k-man:

me too

[12:31:44]

k-man:

justinh, use inkscape instead ;)

[12:34:15]

justinh:

for reworking fanart? LOL

[12:36:04]

justinh:

and so begins the work of recomposing the picture :D

[12:39:43]

k-man:

I think you should redo the fanart as vector art ;)

[12:46:51]

Seeker`:

hmm, latest torchwood was last night?

[12:49:43]

dekarl:

I mod movie posters with inkscape, too :) Some vector masks here and there, some new raster images (with vector masks) there, add some text and you've got the next joke for the team newsletter.

[12:50:05]

k-man:

in .24-fixes, on mac, if you do the reload theme jumpoint, it moves the window back to 0x0 and the title bar is offscreen

[12:50:09]

k-man:

it's very annoying

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k-man:

and afaict, there is no way to grab it and move it

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justinh:

from this: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/15539509/tw6.jpg to this: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/15539509/tw6a.jpg :-D

[13:00:47]

justinh:

not that I didn't feel uncomfortable touching the eraser brush around Jack's trousers

[13:03:29]

dekarl:

nice (his leg looks a bit small, but it's been like that in the larger picture already.) where does the stragne width/height come from?

[13:03:47]

justinh:

from re-composing the photo

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k-man:

nice

[13:04:15]

justinh:

does tvdvb art have to be 1920x1080?

[13:04:34]

dekarl:

I think it should be 1920x1080 or 1280x720

[13:04:49]

justinh:

720 is better than nowt :)

[13:04:57]

justinh:

and saves me having to do a dodgy rescale

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dekarl:

it's not mentioned explecitely but it looks like http://www.thetvdb.com/wiki/index.php/Fan_Art (and it mentions a "do not rescale" rule ;)

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Bombo:

hi

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Bombo:

i just installed mythtv on debian squeeze but i cant get it to work, i ran mythtv-setup first, then mythbackend and i get this error: DVBChan(2:/dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0) Warning: Opening DVB frontend device failed. eno: Device or resource busy (16)

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Bombo:

fuser /dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0 says nothing, and when i start kaffeine i can watch tv

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justinh:

Bombo: the user mythbackend is running as may not have permission to use the tuner

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Bombo:

justinh: i tested it as root

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justinh:

on debian/*buntu that would be 'mythtv' so ensure mythtv is in the 'video group'

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justinh:

so then make sure mythbackend wasn't already running :)

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Bombo:

$ groups mythtv

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Bombo:

mythtv : mythtv dialout cdrom audio video

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Bombo:

according to ps nothing *myth* is running

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dekarl:

justinh why is your original picture so small? http://www.thetvdb.com/banners/fanart/original/79511-26.jpg is 16:9 already

[13:10:07]

justinh:

huh there was already artwork? meh

[13:10:18]

justinh:

because that was the highest res I could find anywhere

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dekarl:

looks like you both used the same source :)

[13:10:33]

justinh:

& that was a lazy crop & it cut somebody's feet off

[13:10:55]

Bombo:

ok there is an error about channels "TVRec(1) Error: Problem finding starting channel, setting to default of '3'. ChannelBase(1) Error: InitializeInputs():Could not get inputs for the capturecard.Perhaps you have forgotten to bind video sources to your card's inputs?"

[13:11:13]

justinh:

some people have friends in high places, apparently

[13:11:22]

justinh:

Bombo: that probably means exactly what it's saying

[13:11:33]

Bombo:

i wasnt able to add a transponder to the channels with myth-setup

[13:11:38]

justinh:

like, a step in mythtv-setup (or two) missed

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dekarl:

Bombo: did you run add a "video source" and connect it to you capture card, then run a channel scan on it?

[13:13:34]

Bombo:

dekarl: the channel scan is not clickable

[13:13:38]

Bombo:

"selectable"

[13:14:44]

dekarl:

hmm, you added a "capture device", added a "video source" then connected the two in "Inputs" and ran a channel scan in the end? (need to look how all the options are called, but it's 2-3–4 in mythtv-setup methinks)

[13:14:45]

justinh:

anyway I prefer my rework. it's not awkwardly cropped :-)

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justinh:

given the original high-res image I could make a 1920x1080 one which isn't badly cropped

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dekarl:

that would have a chance to get accepted upstream

[13:15:55]

justinh:

upstream?

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justinh:

I thought you just submitted images & that was it

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justinh:

if mods object then it gets canned

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Bombo:

ok i added a video source now, called "foo" selected as grabberscript "just EPG" and frequency table "europe-west"

[13:16:40]

justinh:

if they're gonna be all holier than thou about it they can go to hell

[13:17:09]

Bombo:

where is the connect option

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dekarl:

I think someone looks at new submission and might filter dupes with lower resolution at tvdb

[13:17:47]

Bombo:

ah "4. verknÃƒÅ’pfungen" (its german hehe)

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dekarl:

or "what appears as duplicate"

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justinh:

I give up then. I can't get any higher res images

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justinh:

dunno where everybody else steals theirs from

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justinh:

if even the rabid fan sites don't have the massive resolution stuff.. who knows?

[13:19:39]

dekarl:

I think they piece them together from photos (the good ones at least) but I have no insight

[13:19:57]

dekarl:

maybe they get them simply premade from the marketing dept

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justinh:

dekarl: nobody just gives those away. they're usually only given to the press

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Bombo:

i think i need to enter a frequency for the channel scan? i dont know which

[13:20:54]

Bombo:

isnt there a default list of transponders? i'm on Astra 19.2Ã‚Â°

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dekarl:

Bombo: what are you trying to scan? DVB-C/S/T?

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justinh:

dekarl: members of the public just can't get em. you have to be 'somebody' it seems

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Bombo:

DVB-S(2)

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dekarl:

justinh: hmm, I though "hey I run the super fan site, can I peek at your press stuff" qualifies (as does I'm writing for the pupils newspaper) At least that's how I get the credentials for press sites... Ask nicely and tell them how great xmltv is :)

[13:22:57]

dekarl:

Bombo, have you setup this Disqsec stuff? you need to tell mythtv what I attached to each input of your card

[13:23:23]

dekarl:

simplest might be just a generic LNB and thats it, but I don't really know anything about DVB-S stuff

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dekarl:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/User_Manual:Settin . . . llite#DiSEqC

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justinh:

wonder how I could get tvdb to change the title of TW to TW: miracle day for this series

[13:26:35]

justinh:

because its metadata isn't being picked up here – because *they* only list it as 'torchwood'

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Bombo:

dekarl: yes i set it to LNB

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dekarl:

justinh: that's because the api does not allow searching for aliases of the series title... TW has TW:Childrin of Earth, TW:Miracle Day and TW:The New World as alias...

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Bombo:

when i try to scan channels it says "error while analyzing the parameters"

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justinh:

dekarl: a bit silly not allowing aliases

[13:28:27]

dekarl:

I handle it with manual mapping for my guide... (channel x, title y => series #)

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justinh:

shows are called different titles all over the world

[13:28:43]

justinh:

have been since the dawn of time

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dekarl:

justinh: but... "we'll fix it on the new site" lol (we all want tvbrainz, but no one wants to put in the effort :)

[13:29:04]

justinh:

like er.. 'Friends' in my house.. we call it 'C***S'

[13:29:18]

Bombo:

how do i change the text output to english?

[13:29:36]

Bombo:

dont find a setting for language in setup

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dekarl:

they don't allow names for seasons either...

[13:30:13]

dekarl:

their data model is "it's good enough for the usual US series downloaded to xbmc" it seems :(

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justinh:

dekarl: nothing to stop anybody stealing all their data to do it properly.. it's all CC licenced isn't it?

[13:34:31]

dekarl:

justinh: they don't know, they just don't put much new restrictions on it... That's why I'm not taking texts or pictures from them or themoviedb, don't want to be sued for not paying royalties :(

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justinh:

tend not to get sued. they just tell you to stop being naughty & take it down or else we'll sue

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dekarl:

I think it's tightened up a bit in Germany compared to the UK two companies over here seeing the big EPG $$$ and want a cut. Putting stuff like "you are not allowed to use our schedule in combination with anything video recorder like" stuff on the usage agreements...

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dekarl:

Bombo: You might try #mythtv-de, too. But it's quite quiet over there atm.

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justinh:

what big $$$ from EPG sales? LOL

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dekarl:

justinh: looking at Torchwood, it seems it's 4 series that could be considered seasons of one series (according to thetvdb rules). Best bet might be download the master XML and build a seach service at services.mythtv.org :)

[13:46:56]

dekarl:

sure, got to pay per page impression on the web... same for guides on the tv... after all you're selling ad space next to it, aren't you?

[13:47:44]

dekarl:

that's why tvbrowser to down texts/images for around a dozen german channels...

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justinh:

if uk_rt goes belly-up I think I'll sign up to digiguide

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dekarl:

s/to/took/

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dekarl:

is there a grabber for digiguide?

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justinh:

not as such

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Bombo:

hmm how do i scan manually so that i have a channels.conf for import into mythtv?

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Bombo:

i found a "scan" command but i'm not sure how to use it

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Bombo:

usage: scan [options...] [-c | initial-tuning-data-file]

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dekarl:

you don't do that usually. Try scanning one transponder that you setup manually and let mythtv learn from the transmitted data

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Bombo:

initial-tuning-data-file whats that

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dekarl:

Bombo: just go to VerknÃ¼ofungen and start the normal channel scan "vollstÃ¤ndiger suchlauf", there you enter the data for one of the astra transponders

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justinh:

hohohohoho our '150W' PoE switch can deliver just a shade over 100W before it parps

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justinh:

mind, the magjacks saturate long before then, impeding any data flow. ROFL

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dekarl:

justinh: btw if you want to build a nice piece of hardware... a 2/4 channel radio scanner for nfm/wfm/etc in digital transmission modes would be a nice toy, coupled with a small embedded system. (e.g. for receiving AIS on 2 channels and combining it with a picture of the harbour) This "buy a radio scanner and attach it to your sound card" stinks.

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dekarl:

(just wondering as you've been asking something about hardware last week or so)

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justinh:

I've not got time for doing real hardware. just testing the junk we make at work

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dekarl:

would be used for relaying alarms of the fire brigade from radio to sms in germany (not really legal, but works when it's burning :(

[14:08:35]

dekarl:

ahh, I see.

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justinh:

wow. the big 48V PSU brick isn't even getting warm though

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Bombo:

dekarl: no channels found

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Bombo:

i tried this one http://www.astra.de/2243/channelfinder/tv/show/2627-Das-Erste

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Bombo:

i entered 11836000 as freq

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dekarl:

sounds right

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justinh:

that's one hundred and fifty watts sir! :-) yay, it does what we say it does on the tin

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dekarl:

but I have no idea how this DVB-S stuff works

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GrahamIRC:

anyone know a quick an easy way to remove all the "play next" entries from my video collection?

[14:12:32]

justinh:

(apart from the small matter of the magjacks saturating)

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justinh:

GrahamIRC: only by way of a method we all frown on here

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justinh:

so no, there isn't any way to do it

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dekarl:

GrahamIRC: only hardcore SQL "Update" stuff...

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GrahamIRC:

checking each one and then scolling them to "none" is sooo tedious

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GrahamIRC:

would be nice if you could set a global default for it not to do it unless specified instead of the other way around, like it is now

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GrahamIRC:

is sql code for this stuff really frowned on?

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GrahamIRC:

cos I'm sure I'm frowning a lot more doing it manually :-D

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dekarl:

GrahamIRC: something like Backup Database, run SQL Statement "UPDATE <name of the table> SET <name of the column>=null;" then check and maybe restore Database ;)

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GrahamIRC:

lol

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dekarl:

doing that without backup on some accounting stuff... is not fun... (been there, done that...)

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GrahamIRC:

one field in one table tho....

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justinh:

GrahamIRC: we don't condone it. It's your funeral

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justinh:

backup the DB – which you should be doing anyway by rights – before you do anything

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GrahamIRC:

get the message

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GrahamIRC:

does anyone find "play next" useful?

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justinh:

it's a concession to people who used to rip DVDs to 2x CD size lumps

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justinh:

(I suppose)

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GrahamIRC:

would be nice if there were a way to turn it off so it doesn't automatically add entries

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dekarl:

I thought it's for dvd rips on file systems that don't do >2GB files...

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justinh:

there are fs that don't do > 2GB files? ROFL

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GrahamIRC:

I hope we're way past that now

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justinh:

I'm glad I made my electronic load box fan cooled now :D

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dekarl:

justinh: that FS that everyone uses on USB sticks to move data between work (windows) and home (real os) ?

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justinh:

150W into FETs

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justinh:

windows *is* a real OS

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dekarl:

;)

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dekarl:

but yeah, it's gotten quite good in the last years

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justinh:

I don't really like any OS. they all suck in different ways

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GrahamIRC:

I like them all in one way or another

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justinh:

and I ain't paying 2 grand to find out whether or not I like a Mac

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GrahamIRC:

ah apple is my exception too – I only have an iPod cos everything comes with ipod connectors

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seeker:

It's useful for stuff like LotR which is spread over 2 DVDs

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GrahamIRC:

but otherwise it's just too closed

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justinh:

everything?

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justinh:

seeker: I don't have chairs comfy enough for films over 2 hours long

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GrahamIRC:

My LotRs are each on 1 DVD

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justinh:

or an attention span, come to think

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GrahamIRC:

and I def wouldn't want to watch all 3 in one sitting

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GrahamIRC:

(again)

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dekarl:

seeker: and when do you get crisps?

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justinh:

I def. wouldn't want to watch any of them :-)

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seeker:

GrahamIRC: The extended editions are spread over 2 DVDs each

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justinh:

I saw a bit of one once. It looked like very good CGI, but it definitely looked like CGI

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seeker:

dekarl: When I'm hungry. Pause FTW.

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justinh:

mind, it didn't look anything like as CGI-ish as the last StarWars part I dipped into by mistake

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justinh:

what was it we watched the other weekend where you could make out the keying on a 32" TV... oh yeah.. some Harry Potter thing

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GrahamIRC:

EXTENDED!!! Like they weren't long enough already!

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justinh:

if this stuff shows up on a teevee lord only knows how bad it looks on a big screen

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justinh:

GrahamIRC: I fear that any new disk format will be made even bigger capacity just for LoTR & Lucasfilm junk ;-P

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GrahamIRC:

It's called Blu Ray ;-)

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justinh:

watch in awe as $actor does the same scene over & over & over & over

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GrahamIRC:

lol yes but from a gazillion different angles!

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seeker:

My next screen will be 50" I reckon

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justinh:

meh. HD. same junk. higher res

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GrahamIRC:

I gotta ask JustinH – do you like watching tv at all?

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justinh:

some things

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seeker:

HD is better

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justinh:

I only watch what I want to see

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GrahamIRC:

seems to be an odd group to be developing in if not :-)

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seeker:

Provided it is done at a higher bitrate

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justinh:

I won't watch something just because it's 'HD' or whatever

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justinh:

seeker: maybe looks better but if it's the same old recycled storylines & wooden actors...

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seeker:

So much HD content encoded at DVD bitrates :/

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seeker:

I don't watch stuff because it is HD

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justinh:

sod the HD.. gimme compelling content.. and don't knee-jerk cancel good shows before they've had a chance

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justinh:

and FFS stop rebooting rubbish 80s shows

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GrahamIRC:

agree with that

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GrahamIRC:

but it's nice to have the good stuff in HD

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seeker:

But given a choice between HD and SD versions of the same content I will usually choose HD

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GrahamIRC:

and agree that Sky HD really isn't

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justinh:

well duh yeah.. but there's little stuff I feel worthy of paying money to see regardless

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justinh:

one day my kids might have to labotomise me in order I take them to see Smurfs 5 in 3D

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dekarl:

Had a good DVD from a good digital remaster on the screen lately... soo much better then the jumping pictures with fat dust you get from the crap 16mm filming... Don't need HD to get a good picture...

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justinh:

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GrahamIRC:

I think it comes with free labotomy and lithium

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justinh:

and is there any horror/thriller stuff these days that isn't just a bloodfest?

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dekarl:

And got a Dr. Snuggles DVD lately for old times sake... man the quality looked like some 1" master from back when it was new...

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justinh:

now mr young actor.. sit in the chair over there while we take the arm prosthetic off with a saw & spray fake blood everywhere. try to imagine the pain doing that for real would involve

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justinh:

the stuff kids these days watch. no wonder we're in trouble

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seeker:

Get off my lawn!

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justinh:

heheheh

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justinh:

it's junk though. I'm not paying Â£10 to sit through it

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seeker:

The worst film I've seen for "gore" is old

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GrahamIRC:

well I enjoyed V for Vendetta the other night

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justinh:

going to see Super8 tomorrow though :-)

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seeker:

Peter jacksons first films

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GrahamIRC:

V not horror of course, but I enjoyed the story and the telling of it

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justinh:

somebody lent me Hostel. I had a quick look

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seeker:

Ah, that was it "braindead"

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justinh:

V for Vendetta looks braindead. Pigeon-holed in my mind already :)

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dekarl:

we loved braindead when we were teens :)

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justinh:

like '300'

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GrahamIRC:

shame Justin, it's worth a view

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justinh:

maybe I put it in the same bin as Sin City for some reason

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justinh:

I gave that film like 10 minutes

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GrahamIRC:

what have you enjoyed?

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seeker:

V for vendetta isn't anything like 300

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seeker:

Or sin city

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GrahamIRC:

not seen 300 or sin city

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justinh:

critically acclaimed stuff is just as awful sometimes thugh.. the uphill gardener or whatever.. junk

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justinh:

might give V another go

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justinh:

or *a* go even :P

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justinh:

I have this weird thing about me.. people recommend stuff too highly & it puts me off

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seeker:

I quite liked inception as well

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GrahamIRC:

scared to be disappointed?

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GrahamIRC:

yeah inception wasn't bad

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justinh:

like instead of "Avatar was pretty good".. they're "DUDE, you have GOT to see Avatar or your life is NOTHING"

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justinh:

so what happened? I switched to 'Never gonna see Avatar. EVER' mode :)

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GrahamIRC:

lol

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GrahamIRC:

I'm sure there's a word for that

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seeker:

That's possibly taking it to the extreme

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GrahamIRC:

I resisted Avatar for a long time too but when I did eventually see it I did enjoy it

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seeker:

I didn't go out if my way to watch it

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seeker:

Saw it cheap on bluray, so I bought it

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justinh:

seems over-long. there's no need for films to be that long

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seeker:

justinh: So what films do you like?

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GrahamIRC:

it was actually quite good in 3D at the flics

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justinh:

seeker: hmmm... Pulp Fiction is likely my favourite all-time

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GrahamIRC:

like the Matrix – I enjoyed it but it should have been 2 discs instead of 3

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justinh:

not necessarily about the film so much, more the memories about when it came out

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GrahamIRC:

yeah PF is great

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justinh:

The 1st Matrix.. LOVE that film

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justinh:

the 2nd.. meh... the 3rd.. HATE

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GrahamIRC:

you LOVE it?

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GrahamIRC:

wow!

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justinh:

Star Wars episode IV. The only one I like

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justinh:

lol

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GrahamIRC:

perhaps I shouldn't have watched it after all

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justinh:

I'm not a complete misanthrope y'know

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GrahamIRC:

never got in to Star Wars

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seeker:

I think the 3rd matrix film was better than the 2nd

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GrahamIRC:

I just think 2 & 3 should have been one film

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seeker:

Mainly because the 2nd could have been done as 10 mins at the start of the 3rd and lost nothing

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GrahamIRC:

Donnie Darko was pretty good

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justinh:

GrahamIRC: was the 1st film I ever saw as a kid, so it has *that* place

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justinh:

oh yeah like DD too

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GrahamIRC:

which was the first film?

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justinh:

Star Wars IV

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GrahamIRC:

ah

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GrahamIRC:

sadly I think mine was probably grease

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justinh:

technically The Land That Time Forgot was I think, but I can remember so little of that it doesn't count :D

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GrahamIRC:

and the first VHS was One Flew Over the Cuckoos Next

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GrahamIRC:

I also liked Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind

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justinh:

there's a fair bit of stuff I don't mind watching to pass the time

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justinh:

yeah I liked that too

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justinh:

Up.. jees I blub like a baby at that film

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GrahamIRC:

lol

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justinh:

Cars == DIRGE

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justinh:

GrahamIRC: when my wife was pregnant we had a couple of scares.. totally hits a nerve

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justinh:

actually, my wife had me watch Marley & Me. I thought that was totally going to blow goats but it wouldn't have been me demanding my money back at the box office

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seeker:

I saw one flew over... For the first time the other day

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justinh:

it's not all rubbish out there, but telling which is which from reviews & trailers.. free time isn't plentiful enough to gamble

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justinh:

still on my to-do list that one

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seeker:

Might still be on holster

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seeker:

*iplayer

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seeker:

Autocorrect -_-

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justinh:

heh I bought it.. sitting in my 'ripped' folder on my desktop at home ready to transcode

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seeker:

Heh

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justinh:

oh yeah Be Kind Rewind.. really liked that

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skd5aner:

I sometimes would rewind to a major scene in the film, and return it so that when someone turned it on, they would see something like "Luke, I am your father"

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justinh:

lol

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justinh:

gremlins! <3

[14:56:22]

justinh:

1st Critters film too.. both VHS rentals from the bloke who rented tapes from the boot of his car

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justinh:

eep.. SSD is creeping toward the magic Â£1 per GB mark looking at aria.co.uk's mailout

[14:57:41]

justinh:

GrahamIRC: btw, never seen Grease. GF once tried to make me watch it. We broke up

[14:58:23]

justinh:

the songs make me want to puke

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seeker:

I got an SSD for my OS for my new backend

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GrahamIRC:

haha very wise Justin

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seeker:

Wanted my media and OS on separate drives

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justinh:

there was a time you couldn't sit me in front of anything musical. That was, til my sister rented 'Earth Girls Are Easy'

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GrahamIRC:

yes I have an SSD for OS and Mysql now

[14:59:29]

seeker:

And had the choice of paying Â£35 for a 320GB drive I wouldn't fill or Â£45 for a 30GB SSD

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GrahamIRC:

it's good to have free space on SSDs

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GrahamIRC:

think mine is a 128GB on a SATA-6 card

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justinh:

essential, I'll say, don't you think? ;-)

[15:00:46]

GrahamIRC:

is definitely speedy on EPG etc

[15:01:15]

justinh:

Â£45 for 30GB eh? hmmm...

[15:01:15]

GrahamIRC:

yes, space is essential on SSD cos of the way the allocate and handle duff areas

[15:02:15]

justinh:

32GB at aria for Â£39.95 now

[15:02:32]

justinh:

2 of those, one for the frontend.. one for the backend...

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justinh:

need one for my laptop too I think

[15:03:06]

seeker:

I imagine a backend would take a while to fill a 30GB disk if all of the media is elsewhere

[15:03:10]

hashbang:

justinh: if you liked Inception, I thought Source Code was similar, but better. Don't be put off by the hokey name...

[15:03:34]

justinh:

I was interested in seeing that

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justinh:

inception I thought was unecessarily long

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GrahamIRC:

I think a lot of films are

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hashbang:

justinh: doesn't outstay its welcome either – it's only ~90m long.

[15:04:15]

hashbang:

justinh: (SC, that is)

[15:04:26]

justinh:

think the theatres should lobby for shorter films

[15:04:36]

justinh:

boycott anything over 2h long :D

[15:04:48]

justinh:

they show more films, make more money innit

[15:04:56]

hashbang:

justinh: skim the wikipedia page on

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justinh:

punters get less sore backsides

[15:05:00]

GrahamIRC:

perhaps we should just walk out after 2hrs :-D

[15:05:02]

hashbang:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Many-worlds_interpretation if you aren't familiar with it

[15:05:25]

justinh:

hashbang: familiar. for once a decent idea

[15:05:27]

hashbang:

justinh: perhaps not, seeing as most cinemas make their money from drinks, popcorn, premier seating...

[15:05:47]

justinh:

premier seating doesn't really cost that much more but is SO worth it

[15:05:51]

hashbang:

justinh: if films are only 90m again, then punters will reckon they can wait

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justinh:

considering you get a) free soft drinks b) free sweets c) free nachos etc

[15:06:19]

hashbang:

justinh: yup, I go premier for anything with a run time of >2h (more like 2h20+ with trailers)

[15:06:19]

GrahamIRC:

so out of the Many-worlds, how come we get the one where films are too long?

[15:06:22]

justinh:

and the best view.. and such a big comfy chair.. and access to a bar

[15:06:42]

justinh:

movie + drink + popcorn = MORE than premier seating

[15:06:42]

hashbang:

justinh: which chain is that? We don't get that at Odeon or Showcase de Lux

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justinh:

erm... whichever the one in Manchester Printworks is

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justinh:

Odeon I think

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hashbang:

weird

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hashbang:

down here, the Â£1.10 just gets you a better seat and more legroom

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justinh:

been a long time since we did that

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justinh:

maybe it's changed

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justinh:

the bar thing.. excellent

[15:08:55]

hashbang:

de lux has a 'directors hall' but it's spendy and all 'big hat, no cattle'

[15:09:15]

justinh:

we went to see Spiderman (1st one) for my wife's birthday.. bought a bottle of wine. Staff gave us another cos it was her birthday

[15:09:24]

justinh:

we got SO drunk.. I fell asleep

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hashbang:

(minimum of Â£13.10)

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justinh:

oh yeah this was on a Saturday night.. cost Â£15 each

[15:10:12]

justinh:

but a medium coke, medium popcorn & movie ticket comes to about the same

[15:10:16]

justinh:

with crappy seats

[15:10:37]

hashbang:

justinh: ah, you're probably talking about 'The Gallery'

[15:10:49]

hashbang:

justinh: looks like Odeon equiv of Directors Hall, but better value.

[15:11:00]

justinh:

we got free tickets to see 8 mile ages ago when it was on preview... still cost us bloody ten quid to see though.. drink, snack...

[15:11:12]

justinh:

it's awesome to see a film that way

[15:11:29]

justinh:

you can even sit in the bar til the trailers are done if you want

[15:11:55]

justinh:

& back in the day when you could still smoke indoors... and they had unicorns & *everything*

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justinh:

gallery is Â£17.75 peak time now. still free chocs, soft drinks, tea/coffee/biscuits, popcorn & nachos

[15:15:15]

justinh:

it's like seeing a movie at home.. at the pictures. The way it should be

[15:15:23]

GrahamIRC:

:-)

[15:15:31]

GrahamIRC:

can you pause it to go to the loo?

[15:15:35]

justinh:

lol no

[15:15:42]

justinh:

that'd be amazing

[15:15:52]

justinh:

or skip the adverts :D

[15:15:53]

GrahamIRC:

perhaps a comode seating section?

[15:16:29]

justinh:

reminds me... if you've never seen mythtv on a cinema sized screen I can recommend it :-)

[15:16:56]

justinh:

there's video of me somewhere giving a demo of mythtv in a cinema type place

[15:18:02]

justinh:

somebody just been past my desk wondering how I made a box with this many fans & it's quieter than our DVRs – and they have less fans

[15:18:03]

GrahamIRC:

nice

[15:18:39]

justinh:

1. use anti-vibration fan mount hardware 2. make sure the case holes match the size of the fan

[15:18:54]

justinh:

3. butt the fan right up to the hole in the case

[15:19:03]

justinh:

(or at least duct it)

[15:19:38]

justinh:

so, do I dare leave this 150W load on soak over the weekend?

[15:20:54]

seeker:

Hmm, core hours end in 20 mins. Do I leave then?

[15:21:52]

GrahamIRC:

how confident are you that it won't melt and burst in to flames

[15:22:02]

GrahamIRC:

and more to the point, how liable are you if it does?

[15:23:39]

justinh:

lol. time to turn it off then

[15:24:59]

GrahamIRC:

low confidence and high liability I'm guessing :-D

[15:26:29]

justinh:

it has a built-in safety feature

[15:26:41]

justinh:

when it gets too hot the wires desolder themselves & turn the power off

[15:27:18]

GrahamIRC:

nice deign

[15:27:36]

GrahamIRC:

I had a wharfedale amp that did that

[15:27:59]

justinh:

I had a strobe light that did that too

[15:28:03]

seeker:

Unless the wires desolder, and then come in to contact with each other :P

[15:28:34]

justinh:

lent it to somebody having a house party once... he brought it back & it rattled. He said it failed after it'd been on for 4 hours solid

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justinh:

I said "solid? you left a strobe light on in a room for 4 hours solid? what other lights were on in the room?" "None" he said

[15:29:38]

seeker:

I thought that the point of a strobe was that it wasn't on "solid", but off and on rather rapidly :P

[15:29:45]

justinh:

anyway turned out a power resistor had got a bit hot & fell out of the board

[15:29:49]

justinh:

seeker: :P

[15:30:14]

justinh:

I mean I like strobe lighting as much as the next non-seizure-prone chap but er.. 4 hours of it?

[15:30:22]

seeker:

:/

[15:30:45]

justinh:

anyway.,.. 'tis hometime! \O/

[15:30:51]

seeker:

Seeya

[15:31:26]

GrahamIRC:

cheers!

[15:31:31]

GrahamIRC:

4 hours solid!!!

[15:31:38]

GrahamIRC:

good weekends all

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azexian:

hey I'm having a weird issue with mythtv (running under mythbuntu) I followed the guide to setup my tv card and making a channel.conf file and opening it with mplayer worked perfectly but using mythtv-setup the scan doesn't seem to work, I get a load of channels with no names and when I go to watch anything mythtv just crashes, anyway to simply import my channel.conf file in?

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wagnerrp:

sorry, it would appear you are incapable of being helped

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azexian:

hey I'm having a weird issue with mythtv (running under mythbuntu) I followed the guide to setup my tv card and making a channel.conf file and opening it with mplayer worked perfectly but using mythtv-setup the scan doesn't seem to work, I get a load of channels with no names and when I go to watch anything mythtv just crashes, anyway to simply import my channel.conf file in?

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wagnerrp:

you said that already

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azexian:

sorry dodgy internet wasn't sure if it sent the first time

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justinh:

is there a commandline switch to turn window decorations off?

[18:53:07]

wagner_:

--notwindowed ?

[18:53:16]

wagner_:

should be listed in --help

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justinh:

ah just went in & changed the setting while we still have it :)

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justinh:

thanks though

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[R]:

wagner_: are you the evil twin?

[18:54:20]

[R]:

wagner_: do you have a beard?

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** wagner_ strokes his fu manchu **

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[R]:

i wonder what was the first thing to do that

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[R]:

with the evil twin beards

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[R]:

was it star trek or did they rip it off from someoen eelse?

[19:02:03]

justinh:

probably as old as cinema

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justinh:

and stick-on beards

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Beirdo:

wagner_: if it gets disconnected, it will reconnect and rejoin

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Beirdo:

sometimes takes a bit though

[19:14:34]

wagner_:

Beirdo: yeah, seems it had disconnected, reconnected, and then got stuck on the wrong side of a netsplit

[19:15:05]

wagner_:

that what was confusing

[19:15:11]

wagner_:

it was here, yet not logging anything

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Beirdo:

hehe

[19:15:56]

Beirdo:

IRC can be a pain

[19:16:21]

Beirdo:

Installing update 82 of 106...

[19:16:33]

Beirdo:

looks like going back to a clean image fixed the damage

[19:16:44]

Beirdo:

shoulda thought of that days ago

[19:17:08]

Beirdo:

running out of disk space during Windows Update is a VERY bad thing

[19:17:11]

justinh:

I need a new left CTRL key. Thanks Thomas

[19:17:31]

justinh:

it travels, they key cap is on ok but it's a bit.. hrm

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[R]:

im watching chitty chitty bang bang in HD

[19:25:08]

[R]:

it looks relaly good

[19:25:41]

jams:

hmm linux journal is now digital format only

[19:26:22]

[R]:

in this day and age

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[R]:

print material is just stupid

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skd5aner:

movable type... BLEH

[19:27:31]

wagner_:

[R]: havent they said that for decades?

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[R]:

wagner_: well now it's true

[19:28:09]

wagner_:

maybe its true for people with a nook or kindle

[19:28:32]

wagner_:

not many people want to sit down in a park and read from a TFT display

[19:30:32]

** wagner_ is still waiting for those hybrid displays to become commonplace **

[19:31:01]

skd5aner:

"my bag can hold 3 books, 6 magazines.... blah blah blah" "oh yea, well my e-ink ereader can hold a crapload of books and magazines... blah blah blah" "yes, but can it hold full fideltiy porn mags?" "uh..... no, but who buys porn in print anymore anyway?"

[19:31:29]

[R]:

i can't belive how good this movie looks

[19:31:31]

[R]:

and its so old

[19:31:36]

wagner_:

what movie?

[19:31:40]

[R]:

chitty chitty bang bang

[19:31:45]

[R]:

they did a real good job on the conversion

[19:32:23]

skd5aner:

[R]: if they still had the film role, then HD isn't hard at all... since all film is technically "HD"

[19:32:38]

wagner_:

reel?

[19:32:51]

skd5aner:

yes, sorry,... reel

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wagner_:

film decays, and old film isnt as good as modern film

[19:33:45]

wagner_:

sure, modern 35mm may be equivalent to 20–30MP with a good scan

[19:33:52]

skd5aner:

yea, but knowing Disney it was preserved in a cryonic storage vault

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[R]:

lol

[19:34:08]

wagner_:

but old film, on old optics, and significantly aged...

[19:34:21]

[R]:

oh wow, roald dahl wrote the script

[19:34:22]

[R]:

dindt know that

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skd5aner:

that said, I'm sure the post-processing that goes in is pretty hefty as well

[19:35:05]

wagner_:

you mean the processing they redo every ten years when they take it back out of the vault?

[19:35:32]

skd5aner:

for a limited time only... get it before the vault closes "forever"

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[R]:

The part of Truly Scrumptious had originally been offered to Julie Andrews, to reunite her with Van Dyke after their success in Mary Poppins. Andrews rejected the role specifically because she considered the part too close to the Poppins mould.

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AndyCap:

skd5aner: The pictures are better in erotic stories. :P

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skd5aner:

way to go HP... way... to... go! http://thenextweb.com/apple/2011/08/19/hp-tes . . . ice-as-fast/

[20:16:11]

skd5aner:

:P

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skd5aner:

webOS ran faster in the safari browser on an ipad than it did on the native hardware of the HP TouchPad... management for the win!

[20:18:33]

Clumpy:

Anybody here good at troubleshooting MySQL with MythTV?

[20:18:44]

skd5aner:

Clumpy: perhaps, depends on the question

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[R]:

i can't decide if i want to switch over to master or stick it out on 24

[20:19:28]

skd5aner:

[R]: I'm pretty sure you've shared that a half dozen times already ;)

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[R]:

im torn

[20:20:36]

skd5aner:

If it helps any, the latest murmurs are that a release/freeze would likely not happen before Oct. at the earliest

[20:21:01]

wagner_:

well thats just simple math

[20:21:16]

wagner_:

it usually takes us a month to month and a half to get a release out once we freeze

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skd5aner:

and I only say that because I asked the question about an hour ago to the devs

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wagner_:

so if we freeze tomorrow, that means early october release

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skd5aner:

Yea, but a freeze might not take place to Oct is basically what I was getting at

[20:23:04]

skd5aner:

Clumpy: please don't PM me about your question, please post it in here... you'll have better luck sharing with the full audience here than simply asking me

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[R]:

what is the current state though

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wagner_:

hey, you spoke first, hes your responsibility now... :P

[20:23:56]

skd5aner:

yea, I still tend to be friendly... I should know better

[20:24:24]

Clumpy:

Unable to connect to database error.

[20:25:09]

skd5aner:

First, what version?

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skd5aner:

Second, is this a new install or something you've been using for a while?

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skd5aner:

Third, is mysql running?

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Clumpy:

Believe its 0.24 ....

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skd5aner:

mythfrontend --version

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J-e-f-f-A:

And is it a local frontend running on the backend box, or a remote frontend. ;-)

[20:26:40]

skd5aner:

J-e-f-f-A: was trying not to overload him yet ;)

[20:26:56]

J-e-f-f-A:

skd5aner: hehehe... woops, sorry! ;-)

[20:27:05]

Clumpy:

I'm trying my first MythTV install ever. So treat me gently...

[20:27:08]

skd5aner:

no worries

[20:27:29]

skd5aner:

Clumpy: so, are you using a mythtv based distro, or trying to install it on an existing environment?

[20:27:41]

Clumpy:

I'm knowledgeable enough to run Ubuntu and hop on the network but I definitely am not a Linux guru yet.

[20:27:54]

Clumpy:

I'm trying to install on Ubuntu 10.04

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Clumpy:

64-bit

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Clumpy:

Atom processor box

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skd5aner:

is the frontend and backend on the same server?

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skd5aner:

er, same hardware

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[R]:

wagner_: do you use master or 24 for your main box?

[20:28:57]

Clumpy:

Yes. Basically trying to just watch live tv and maybe record some shows every once in a while. That's the objective.

[20:29:18]

Clumpy:

Maybe later I'll try and roll out some front-ends only that will attach to this box...

[20:29:19]

skd5aner:

Clumpy: ok, so... is mysql running?

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wagner_:

master

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Clumpy:

That's a good question.... :-)

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[R]:

wagner_: does it rock your world? is the web thing done or still in progress?

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skd5aner:

Clumpy: ps aux | grep mysql

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skd5aner:

[R]: web thing?

[20:30:23]

Clumpy:

My reply is "kind of"...

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wagner_:

still very much in progress

[20:30:54]

wagner_:

it had about a month and a half of heavy activity way back

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skd5aner:

[R]: web based setup?

[20:30:58]

[R]:

skd5aner: yeah

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wagner_:

and not much has happened with it since

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[R]:

well i'll just wait until there is a new version of my OS

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wagner_:

its not expected to be ready for use in 0.25

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[R]:

and then i'll make a decision about switching to master then

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skd5aner:

Clumpy: kind of?

[20:32:10]

Clumpy:

Hang on Paste Bin is being slow...

[20:33:28]

skd5aner:

Clumpy: did you do an "apt-get install mythtv" or something like that? Or are you installing from source?

[20:34:42]

JEDIDIAH___:

Yes. DEB distros are great for installing myth from packages.

[20:34:50]

JEDIDIAH___:

Great way to get your feet wet.

[20:35:05]

Clumpy:

Screw pastebin – go here http://tinypaste.com/49e89f

[20:35:22]

Clumpy:

Doesn't seem to be an error message...

[20:35:46]

skd5aner:

Yea, looks like it's running

[20:36:06]

skd5aner:

Clumpy: how did you install myth (see question above)?

[20:36:30]

Clumpy:

Thanks to the helpful folks here it looks like I got my HD Homerun running last night and even scanned channels and found device in terminal. So I think I've got that behind me...

[20:37:03]

Clumpy:

Just getting database error when running mythtv-setup or the mythtv frontend

[20:37:15]

skd5aner:

but... it's contextual... I'm trying to understand your environment

[20:37:24]

skd5aner:

so that I can help you further

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skd5aner:

I don't know if you installed from source, and if so did you load the database and create a user in mysql for mythtv to use, setup permissions, etc

[20:37:54]

skd5aner:

so... once again, can you please tell me how you installed mythtv?

[20:38:43]

skd5aner:

very basic possible answers "compiled from source", "installed via apt-get", "installed via synaptec", "installed via ____", etc

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Clumpy:

Well, I can tell you anything you need to know about the hardware I'm running. I installed from repository via Synaptic in Ubuntu.

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skd5aner:

yea, that's all I was curious about...

[20:44:26]

skd5aner:

that tells me the package manager should have configured stuff correctly

[20:45:46]

skd5aner:

Clumpy: can you pastebin whatever it says when you try and run mythtv-setup or mythbackend?

[20:48:13]

skd5aner:

(whatever is spit out on the cli)

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wagner_:

the whole thing, not just what you think is important

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justinh:

yes, moviesel... I OWN YOU NOW

[20:55:21]

skd5aner:

come on Gigabyte – process my RMA now that it's been in your grubby hands for a day and half already

[20:57:24]

justinh:

now I just need a default cover image

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justinh:

and a bunch of new icons for stuff... and I'm almost done. Once I've done the other screens. LOL

[20:58:07]

justinh:

how did anybody manage to do anything for the competition within the time limit?

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skd5aner:

justinh: "yes"

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wagner_:

competition?

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wagner_:

theming competition?

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wagner_:

it was like 6 months long

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justinh:

wagner_: I've been on with this theme on & off for like 2 years now

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justinh:

I think the movie details popup will be no more tonight. make it full screen, show the fanart in all its glory with the pertinent details tastefully displayed

[21:09:11]

justinh:

wha? no covers for The Body Workout anywhere? LOL

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laga:

justinh: no covers for "starting strength" available either ;)

[21:13:00]

justinh:

where's my scanner? :-O

[21:14:12]

justinh:

infact, where's the DVD case? lol

[21:22:13]

Clumpy:

Sorry, had a client call with big problems...

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Clumpy:

How do you copy text from MythTV Setup terminal? Every time I do it with Ctrl-C it exits out and doesn't copy the text...

[21:27:02]

wagner_:

you select it

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Clumpy:

I select it and when I hit Ctl-C it exits...

[21:27:55]

wagner_:

yes, you select it

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Clumpy:

Can't right click and copy either...

[21:28:08]

wagner_:

you dont have to

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wagner_:

just select it

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Clumpy:

So you're saying just by selecting it – it gets copied?

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wagner_:

yes, middle click pastes

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wagner_:

standard X11 behavior

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Clumpy:

Geez, I guess I'm just a creature of Windows.... Sad...

[21:29:02]

Clumpy:

:-)

[21:29:10]

wagner_:

to be fair, X11 came first

[21:29:40]

Clumpy:

Yeah, before I popped out of the womb and MS already perpetrated its OS upon humanity...

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Clumpy:

Dude... This is killing me... I select the text in the MythTV setup terminal after running the command "mythtv-setup" in terminal and it doesn't copy squat over to web browser, gedit, nothing....

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wagner_:

select in one, middle click in the other

[21:37:02]

Clumpy:

I got a two button mouse with a wheel. There is no middle click... Holy crap – I pressed my wheel button in and it worked. You are a genius...

[21:37:52]

Clumpy:

Here's the output from the MythTV Setup Terminal: http://tinypaste.com/2ab280

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wagner_:

access denied... meaning you either never granted permissions, or simply never set up the database in the first place

[21:40:28]

wagner_:

glorious documentation... http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-6.html

[21:40:29]

orificium:

Is there a way to increase font size for the mythbuntu theme from within the frontend? or would I need to modify theme files?

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wagner_:

font size is determined by the theme

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justinh:

no way to do it without changing xml. Muhahahaha

[21:41:05]

Clumpy:

It asked me to set it up when I exited from Myth and I thought it was setup.

[21:41:10]

orificium:

that's what I figured

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wagner_:

you must edit the theme to change the size, as that is the only way to make sure everything remains aligned properly

[21:41:37]

orificium:

no more small, medium, large font size settings in apperance

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justinh:

nope. thank god!

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Clumpy:

http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-6.html – Trust me I've tried that already. I can't even get a MySQL prompt to run the commands they talk about in the HOWTO...

[21:46:12]

orificium:

The "List View" for the theme in video-ui.xml – is that called "tree"?

[21:47:23]

orificium:

guessing breadcrumb is what I want to adjust

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Clumpy:

All right, how do you create a database? I try typing in "mysql < mc.sql" as suggested in the HowTo and I still get nothing. I'm running Ubuntu 10.04.

[21:56:33]

wagner_:

you must do that as the root mysql user

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Clumpy:

The How To definitely ain't for beginners guys...

[21:56:54]

wagner_:

note that the root mysql user is completely indepedent from the root linux user

[21:57:03]

wagner_:

it may have a password set, it may not

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wagner_:

all depending on how your distro configured it

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skd5aner:

Clumpy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV/Inst . . . oting#Access denied for user: 'mythtv@localhost'

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skd5aner:

er, try this link: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV/Install/Troubleshooting

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skd5aner:

and then go down to Access Denied

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Clumpy:

Cool... Never saw this link from Ubuntu. Must be typing in wrong text to Google. Thanks...

[22:01:47]

skd5aner:

Clumpy: also, because you're basically running mythbuntu now, you might also want to get distro specific help from them: #ubuntu-mythbuntu

[22:03:45]

skd5aner:

er, sorry... it's #ubuntu-mythtv actually

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orificium:

is there a way to adjust font for a buttontree widget?

[22:08:27]

orificium:

ah base.xml may be my answer

[22:11:16]

marsilainen:

sorry, may be a bit OT, but does it matter what HDMI cable I buy?

[22:11:24]

marsilainen:

there seem to be a lot at different prices...

[22:11:29]

marsilainen:

never had to buy one before

[22:12:06]

marsilainen:

some say things like "all hdmi versions supported" and "3d ready" and such things

[22:12:16]

marsilainen:

but I have no idea if they mean anything

[22:12:29]

Clumpy:

Ubuntu Community Docs says try "rm ~/.mythtv -rf && rm /home/mythtv/.mythtv -rf". I execute in Terminal and get permission denied. "Sudo" in front of command doesn't work either...

[22:13:48]

skd5aner:

that's weird... but probably unnecessary either way

[22:13:55]

skd5aner:

ls -la /home/mythtv

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skd5aner:

...

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marsilainen:

he didn't like the smell

[22:18:33]

skd5aner:

Clumpy: It's hard to help you troubleshoot with such simple requests for information that take so long for a reply... probably easier for you to come back and ask for help when you've got a little bit more time to focus on the issue

[22:19:41]

skd5aner:

marsilainen: no, HDMI cables are HDMI cables – either they work or they dont

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wagner_:

thats not true

[22:20:07]

wagner_:

for longer distances, thicker conductors work better

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skd5aner:

true, but there's no such thing as a "3d ready" hdmi cable :P

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bindi_:

would you like a super gold plated high quality high speed high everything 2 meter cable for a cheap 59.99â‚¬?

[22:20:37]

skd5aner:

wagner_: such a nit-picker... sheesh

[22:20:41]

wagner_:

and then there are some really cheap ones that simply cant handle the data throughput needed for high resolution

[22:20:46]

wagner_:

like cat5 vs. cat6

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marsilainen:

ok, but for say, 1m, I shouldn't worry about what I buy?

[22:21:04]

skd5aner:

marsilainen: point being, there's no need to spend $100 on a 1m monster cable

[22:21:15]

wagner_:

for 1m, if you spent more than $5, you overpaid

[22:21:22]

skd5aner:

marsilainen: if in the US, check out monoprice or firefold – good quality cables for cheap

[22:21:45]

marsilainen:

I'm in the UK, but ok, yeah I get the idea :)

[22:21:48]

marsilainen:

thanks for the help

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orificium:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HDMI#Cables

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stuartm:

if the HDMI cable carries the HDMI logo then it's as good as any other HDMI logo'd cable – to be certified they have to pass strict tests

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wagner_:

stuartm: there are different ratings, similar to cat5/6/7

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wagner_:

but you have to buy some pretty garbage stuff for it not to meet whatever the highest rating at the time is

[22:26:31]

skd5aner:

<1.3, 1.3, 1.4 if I remember correctly

[22:28:07]

Clumpy:

May be making progress. Thanks for the Ubuntu community MythTV link. Does MythFillDatabase take long time? Looks like its downloading a boatload of upcoming schedules from Schedules Direct right now...

[22:28:18]

skd5aner:

yes, it can take a long time

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skd5aner:

depending on how many lineups you have and how big they are

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skd5aner:

mine takes over 30 minutes last time I checked

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stuartm:

even the crappiest HDMI certified cable will have an error rate of something like 1 in 13 million, which is unnoticeable to the human eye as far as the HDMI consortium is concerned

[22:31:08]

** skd5aner needs to start up a licensing consortium **

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stuartm:

if anyone here paid more than a fiver for a <2m cable I'd have to slap them

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justinh:

nice.. slowly getting all my folders folder.png'd :)

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skd5aner:

stuartm: in the US, selling overprices cables to consumers is a highly successful market... it's hard to walk into a Best Buy or a Radio Shack and see anything cheap

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stuartm:

on a related note, I was in Maplin the other day, they are _still_ selling the gold plated toslink cable

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skd5aner:

s/overprices/overpriced

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skd5aner:

stuartm: heh – that's a new one to me :)

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skd5aner:

eliminates the hum ;)

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stuartm:

http://www.maplin.co.uk/digital-audio-optical-leads-35921

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justinh:

right I'm off to bed before I develop dodgy mousepad hand syndrome

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skd5aner:

I guarentee that someone in marketting said "people expect gold plated connected connectors to be the best – and only ours will have it" – and lo and behold, I bet it's made them money because of it

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Clumpy:

Thanks. Sorry for the schizophrenia today. Lots of people interrupting me...

[22:36:07]

skd5aner:

consumers rarely self educate – the read what the packaging says

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skd5aner:

Clumpy: np, good luck

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stuartm:

skd5aner: maybe I should get some gold plated jumper cables to market

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J-e-f-f-A:

I once had a BestBuy salesperson attempt to sell me a gold-plated USB cable... claiming I'd lose quality without it...

[22:37:31]

skd5aner:

stuartm: you get them up and running and I'll be the US supplier ;)

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wagner_:

cleaner DC power, makes it easier to start your car

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skd5aner:

oh... also be sure to put that it's a "green" product

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skd5aner:

yea, that's the ticket

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Clumpy:

Throw some gold, titanium, platinum on those puppies and slap a Monster Cable label on it and take it to a Bang & Olufsen store and you've got yourself some $3,000 USB cables right there...

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wagner_:

stuartm: you would have to sell grounding points to bolt to your frame as well

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wagner_:

dont want those people to hit just any painted metal surface

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skd5aner:

yea... banana plug style

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stuartm:

wagner_: keep the 'must have' accessory ideas coming, maybe batteries to match your cables and sleek carry cases for when they aren't installed

[22:44:06]

wagner_:

carry case? i have to take half my frontend apart to replace my battery

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stuartm:

stylish bumper stickers showing the company logo so that everyone knows you've "bought the best"

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wagner_:

(I had to do it a couple months ago)

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stuartm:

wagner_: I don't think you're getting the idea here, no-one will want to pay over the odds for this crap unless it's completely useless

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skd5aner:

The stickers also add at least 4hp to the car as well

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stuartm:

skd5aner: natch

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Clumpy:

Think I made some progress. I can now get into backend again with "mythtv-setup" command.

[22:52:33]

Clumpy:

For local backend I have "localhost" and for master backend I have "192.168.1.118".

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wagner_:

what do the two names of those fields say, specifically?

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skd5aner:

could be hours before we find out

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skd5aner:

;) j/k Clumpy

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Beirdo:

of course, you all mock, but there is SOME good to gold plated contacts.

[22:58:32]

Beirdo:

assuming the contacts are metal to start with (unlike toslink cables)

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wagner_:

depends on whether your running in a damp environment, and want them to last for decades

[22:59:05]

Beirdo:

gold plating doesn't corrode, so the metal-metal contact doesn't signficantly degrade over time

[22:59:31]

Beirdo:

but that's about all it does for you that's not bling-related

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Clumpy:

Sorry guys. (Everybody calling me asking for money...) More progress. I am able to log into a mysql prompt. I am going to figure this out if its the last thing I do!

[23:09:45]

Clumpy:

"what do the two names of those fields say, specifically?" Those were the stated locations of the local server and the master backend, respectively.

[23:10:28]

Clumpy:

I accidentally hit yes on a MythFillDatabase operation and waiting for that to complete again.

[23:11:32]

wagner_:

yes, but the text next to them

[23:11:36]

wagner_:

exactly, what does it say?

[23:14:47]

Clumpy:

I need to wait for the mythfilldatabase operation to complete and then I'll run MythTV Setup again and tell you.

[23:15:58]

Clumpy:

Wow, this schedulesdirect stuff goes out a couple weeks it looks like.

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skd5aner:

14 days

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Clumpy:

The text next to them says "IP Address" next to "localhost" on the local backend and is identified as the local machine named "charlie-desktop". On the master backend the text next to it also says "IP Address" next to "192.168.1.118".

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Clumpy:

This is in the General Setup window of MythTV. Option 1 after running mythtv-setup.

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Seeker`:

hmm, just got my new remote backend setup. Every 30–60 seconds, the last 5 seconds of audio repeats. Any suggestions as to the cause?

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Clumpy:

All right, does the root password in mysql have to match the root password in MythTV front-end database server settings?

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wagner_:

you dont give mythtv the root mysql password

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wagner_:

you create new login credentials for mythtv to use

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Clumpy:

OK, I type "mysql -u mythtv -p" into terminal window, input "mythtv" as password and I get a mysql prompt ( mysql>). That means there is a "mythtv" user with a password of "mythtv" right?

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wagner_:

try 'use mythconverg;'

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Clumpy:

Wagner – this is at the mysql> prompt you are talking about right?

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wagner_:

yes

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wagner_:

if you can 'use' that database, then everything should be set up with respect to that

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Clumpy:

Looks like a good command: see results here: http://tinypaste.com/57204a

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Clumpy:

said "database changed"

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wagner_:

so back to the previous question

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Clumpy:

Thought I answered that one. You're talking about the text in the mythtv-setup configuration GUI right?

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wagner_:

yes

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skd5aner:

Clumpy: Basically he's telling you to use the IP address... you can't use hostnames

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skd5aner:

it says right in the GUI to use an IP address

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wagner_:

right, it specifically says it wants an IP address, which 'localhost' is not

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wagner_:

further, on the master backend, those two addresses must match

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wagner_:

so if you use 127.0.0.1, you must use it for both

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Clumpy:

My GUI says "hostname or IP address"

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wagner_:

or if you use 192.168.1.118, you must use it for both

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wagner_:

the mysql server can use a hostname

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Clumpy:

For troubleshooting purposes, let's just say I use 127.0.0.1. I'm not going to hook up any other front ends after this one. Too much excitement already...

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Clumpy:

Does that sound like a good plan?

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skd5aner:

it will work for now

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wagner_:

still preferred to use 192.168.1.118

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wagner_:

should you ever decide to add another at some point in the future

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skd5aner:

but I always use the static IP of the server

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wagner_:

assuming that address is static

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wagner_:

and not one assigned by your DHCP server

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Beirdo:

unless statically assigned by the DHCP server

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skd5aner:

unless your DHCP server issues a reserved IP to your mac address

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Clumpy:

OK. My box is at 192.168.1.27. Not sure where this 192.168.1.118 even came from. Just assigned during set-up I guess.

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Beirdo:

oooh, in stereo

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skd5aner:

tag team, off the ropes

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Clumpy:

I have a static IP the folks recommended to me yesterday that should fit the bill. Again, it's set manually in Ubuntu 10.04 at 192.168.1.27.

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Clumpy:

So I'll go with that? Good idea?

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skd5aner:

then go ahead with that

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Seeker`:

hmm, just got my new remote backend setup. Every 30–60 seconds, the last 5 seconds of audio repeats. Any suggestions as to the cause?

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Clumpy:

So local backend IP address in Setup will be 192.168.1.27... And Master Backend will be 192.168.1.27. Don't see any problem with this if my box is now setup on static IP at this address right?

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skd5aner:

yes

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Clumpy:

I notice that the local and the master backend would appear to share port 6543. Is that kosher?

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skd5aner:

yes

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wagner_:

the local backend is what the local server runs on

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wagner_:

the master backend simply tells everything else how to connect to the master

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wagner_:

as well as tells the local backend that it should behave as the master

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Clumpy:

OK, so being on the same port for local and master is a clean setup then right?

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wagner_:

its how it should be

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skd5aner:

Clumpy I know you're double checking, but we already said it was ok, you can take our word for it the first time... :)

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Clumpy:

Good, and I'm not going to watch paint dry by running a MythFillDatabase operation again. Just say no to that since I already ran it... :-)

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Clumpy:

SKD5aner – I'm getting so excited I may be able to make this actuall work that I'm freaking out.... :-)

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skd5aner:

heh

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Clumpy:

All right, I'm going to run the front-end now. Wish me luck.

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skd5aner:

well...

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skd5aner:

before you do that, make sure the backend is running

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skd5aner:

in ubuntu, try "service mythbackend restart"

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