Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Sunday, August 14th, 2011, 00:02 UTC

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Soul_keeper:

do all lcd displays with hdmi support hdcp ?

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wagnerrp:

not necessarily

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wagnerrp:

any tv you buy now will

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wagnerrp:

but the same cant be said for monitors

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Soul_keeper:

the manufacturer website don't say if my monitor supports it, websites that sell it claim it does

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Soul_keeper:

I just turned on my cable box and it said it don't

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Soul_keeper:

yet it had no problem yesterday, and seems to not complain now after turning it on/off 3 times

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Soul_keeper:

odd

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Soul_keeper:

I got a new cable box yesterday

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Soul_keeper:

wagnerrp, this one is a monitor

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wagnerrp:

then it does support HDCP

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wagnerrp:

and you are suffering from the problems of HDCP

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wagnerrp:

in that it can, and does, fail and cause problems for the consumer

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Soul_keeper:

ahh

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wagnerrp:

all in the name of protecting the precious contents from the thiev^H^H^H paying customers

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Soul_keeper:

figures it would turn my volume to the maximum, and not let me mute or turn it down before telling me to get a new tv with hdcp

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Soul_keeper:

I hope it don't do that everytime I wanna watch tv

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Soul_keeper:

:)

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wagnerrp:

why are you connecting your cable box to your monitor?

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Soul_keeper:

because the monitor only pulls about 18watts

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wagnerrp:

and?

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Soul_keeper:

I have it connected to 2 computers and my cable box

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wagnerrp:

and why is your cable box connected to your monitor?

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Soul_keeper:

saving power/space was my reason

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wagnerrp:

... if you are using your cable box manually, you cannot be using it in combination with mythtv

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wagnerrp:

clearly youre either using mythtv, or very very lost

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Soul_keeper:

I was considering mythtv, reading up on the addon cards

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Soul_keeper:

but yeah I can be considered "off topic"

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Soul_keeper:

I should have asked the cable company about addon cards and mythtv support, that's something I forgot to do

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wagnerrp:

the cable company wont know anything about that

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Soul_keeper:

well, from what i've read nothing will work with my cable company anyways

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wagnerrp:

check http://www.silicondust.com/support/channels

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wagnerrp:

put in your zip code, select your Cox lineup

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wagnerrp:

it will tell you what channels to expect over digital cable unencrypted

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wagnerrp:

alternatively, you could use a cablecard tuner (HDHomeRun Prime) to record the encrypted, but copy freely channels

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wagnerrp:

or possible firewire off your cable box for the same purpose

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wagnerrp:

or last resort, you capture analog video off the cable box, in combination with an IR blaster or firewire control

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wagnerrp:

http://mythtv.org/wiki/Recording_Digital_Cable

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Soul_keeper:

interesting

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Soul_keeper:

i've got a bit of a headache right now, but i'll bookmark those and look them over later

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Soul_keeper:

thanks

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achew22:

In the new webserver on mythbackend, what is the default username/pass?

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achew22:

Nevermind, I found it in the commit log

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wagnerrp:

by 'HDDVR'... do you mean Hauppauge HDPVR?

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Beaver:

Right, typo. I was just looking through the links in the ChanServ message before I started blasting away in here, too.

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Beaver:

Basically, if I understand everything I've read correctly, if I use the HDPVR I should be able to negate the whole HDCP issue. What I'm wondering is if I need to carry the output to the TV/Sound System on the PC or if it's taken care of by the HDPVR. I was also just wanting you get the verification that the HDPVR actually works under MythTV/Mythbuntu. The forum posts I'

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wagnerrp:

the HDPVR supports both stereo analog audio, and SPDIF capture

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Beaver:

I've read through have made vauge "Sure the HD PVR had issues but.." types of deals in there.

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Beaver:

Okay, so it doesn't do 5.1? I've noticed the optical in/out on it.

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wagnerrp:

it does SPDIF

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wagnerrp:

SPDIF can carry 5.1 AC3 and DTS

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wagnerrp:

SPDIF being the signaling used on the digital optical port

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Beaver:

Gotcha. I'll be honest I was googling that as you restated it. Home theater really isn't my bag.

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Beaver:

So it will function in a capture capacity only then if I'm following you correctly. All outputs will have to go through the mythbox itself.

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wagnerrp:

the HDPVR is only capable of input anyway, not output

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** [R] is using composite on his hdpvr currently... i want to cry **

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Beaver:

Does it have dual tuners, then? I saw the two sets of composite on the back in the pictures on newegg.

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wagnerrp:

one input, one passthrough

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wagnerrp:

so you can connect the input to your cable box, and the passthrough to your tv

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[R]:

omg

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[R]:

zach and miri UNCESNORED

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[R]:

i lvoe late night comedy

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Beaver:

Okay. And then any suggestions on an PCIe output that's worked well with Mythbuntu?

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wagnerrp:

anything modern and nvidia

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Beaver:

Good deal. So with the IR blaster in the PVR and good hardware for sound/video should I be able to cut out my interaction with the DirecTV STB entirely?

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[R]:

get some usb to serial adapters

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wagnerrp:

thats the idea

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[R]:

and use directtv.pl

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[R]:

instead of blaster

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wagnerrp:

yeah, if your STBs support serial control (over usb)

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wagnerrp:

its a lot more reliable than IR

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skd5aner:

so directv boxes also support control via IP

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wagnerrp:

s/so/some/

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Beaver:

It *should* from the documentation I've read. I'll just do that right out of the gate, then if it's that much better.

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skd5aner:

although I hear it's not as reliable as serial/usb

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skd5aner:

wagnerrp: (thanks)

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Beaver:

Also, as far as the guides are concerned, I've read a couple forum posts about getting them for DirecTV but to be honest they were a bit over my head. Any advice on that?

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skd5aner:

I hate multi character typos :/

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skd5aner:

Beaver: if you're in the US, your best bet is schedules direct

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skd5aner:

http://schedulesdirect.org

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skd5aner:

getting them for directv isn't really feasible and actually I believe a violation of thier TOS

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skd5aner:

er, their

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skd5aner:

I give up

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skd5aner:

my fingers have minds of their own

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Beaver:

Yeah, I hate it when you just have one of those nights.

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skd5aner:

and s/for/from

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Beaver:

Is schedulesdirect pretty reliable?

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** skd5aner sighs **

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skd5aner:

Beaver: extremely

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skd5aner:

the data actually is provided by Tribune Media Services, who provides the data to a lot of commercial entites as well

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skd5aner:

$20/yr

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skd5aner:

welllllll worth it

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Beaver:

Good deal. If I can avoid a headache for 20 bucks I', all in.

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Beaver:

I'm, rather.

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skd5aner:

14 days worth in advance, and updates when they get them (TBA programming, etc)

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Beaver:

And how do I go about setting that up? I'm going to be using ubuntu and a single PC for backend/frontend.

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Beaver:

*Mythbuntu

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skd5aner:

Yea, there's also a trial period... so you can check it out and cancel if you think otherwise, but honestly – I've never heard anyone say a bad thing about them other than when a cheapskate complains about it not being free :P

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skd5aner:

the setup for mythbuntu will ask for your data source, and you will select schedules direct and enter your username and password, and tie you guide data to a specific input

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Beaver:

Meh, I'll FIND $20 at some point in the next year so it'll be effectively free.

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Beaver:

Good deal. Anything else you can think of that might bind me up?

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skd5aner:

Nah – I don't use mythbuntu, but lots of people do (I install from source on ubuntu)

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Beaver:

Yeah, I'm LinuxTarded so if I can do a AIO package I'm all for it.

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skd5aner:

you can always refer to the documentation here: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/User_Manual:Index or ask mythbuntu specific questions at #ubuntu-mythtv

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** wagnerrp would like to 'find' $20 **

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skd5aner:

yea, I definitely recommend beginners give a myth based distro a shot – lots of devs and other users rely on the myth distros too for production

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wagnerrp:

AIO?

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Beaver:

Sorry, All in One

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skd5aner:

all in one

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skd5aner:

:)

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wagnerrp:

well thats no fun

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skd5aner:

if you run into questions, check out the link I sent you first, then ask here or #ubuntu-mythtv if it's a specific question about their unique stuff

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skd5aner:

off to bed, good luck

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Beaver:

Okay, great. Appreciate the help. I just wanted to make damn sure that I was getting the jist of everything before I dropped the cash on the PVR.

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skd5aner:

yea, – mythtv isn't the cheap solution

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skd5aner:

as far as dvrs go...

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wagnerrp:

why are all these people bridging their infinitv cards onto their network?

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skd5aner:

you can build a "budget" system, but typically budget != cheap

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Beaver:

lol yup.

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skd5aner:

best to have a good game plan first

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skd5aner:

!url tuners

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MythLogBot:

tuners: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hardwar . . . _Information

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skd5aner:

that might help too

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Beaver:

Aw, snap. That will. Thanks.

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wagnerrp:

right, we dont actually support individual tuner cards

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wagnerrp:

we just support a handful of interfaces

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wagnerrp:

the linuxtv project writes the drivers that implement those interfaces

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Beaver:

Gotcha.

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wagnerrp:

far far too often people come in here asking "does X generic tuner i dug out of a trash heap work with mythtv"

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wagnerrp:

and then get confused when we try to explain how we dont support tuner cards

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Beaver:

That sounds like an uphill battle.

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Beaver:

Oh, any reccomendations for remotes or do you think the one that comes with the HD PVR will work?

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mycosys:

MCE2, apparently good to have rc6 on it

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mycosys:

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mycosys:

has a blaster with it

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Beaver:

Cood deal, thanks.

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mycosys:

havent got one myself mind you

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mycosys:

FIL has ordered one so will soon tho

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Beaver:

Have you heard anything about compatibility though?

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mycosys:

yeah – works as mce2

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mycosys:

if ur in mythbuntu takes 2 clicks in the MCC to set up

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mycosys:

not too much more hassle to set up otherwise

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mycosys:

sorry, 3 clicks

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mycosys:

1 to enable lirc, one to choose mce2, and one for the blaster

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Beaver:

Very good. Yeah, I'd rather tailor what I buy to easy set up on this one than to fight to get hardware working.

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mycosys:

wanna know an odd one for PAL countries in that vein?

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Beaver:

What's that?

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mycosys:

the Playstation PlayTV tuner is apparently awesome for myth

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mycosys:

have 2 of them on order

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Beaver:

Huh.

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mycosys:

the PlayTV is a dual tuner for Playstation

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mycosys:

have to mod a driver to get it to work in windows

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mycosys:

in linux they just work

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mycosys:

very well from all accounts

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mycosys:

good sensitivity, nice sheilded box, only $60

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Beaver:

Yeah, I have no problem believing that. After the PS2, they just became hacking goldmines.

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Beaver:

USAF was using networked PS3s for databanks a while back until Sony stopped letting you install your own OS's if I remember right.

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mycosys:

with one of those and 3 asus U3100mini, i will ba able to record everythign on FTA in australia lol

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mycosys:

loot of unis were using em for clucster computing, and still are

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mycosys:

just cant add new ones

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Beaver:

lol, And we couldn't sell the PS2s initially to some 3rd world countries for fear of them being butchered for missile guidance.

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mycosys:

siully really

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mycosys:

*silly

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Beaver:

Yeah, really odd.

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mark12345:

hello

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mark12345:

I just bought a wintv hvr-2250. all the web pages says it has 2 tuners. however the mythweb says there are 4 encoders.

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mark12345:

just to test. I can run livetv with pip in the backend, and also on a frontend watch livetv with pip

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mark12345:

all 4 on different channels

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mark12345:

also they are all digital channels

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[R]:

you can record multiple things off the same multiplex

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mark12345:

ok thanks.

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laga:

ho-hum. both backend and frontend are crash-prone in my 0.24-fixes install

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** laga hits trac **

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laga:

happens when changing channels. so if anyone knows something ;)

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k-man:

evening all

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k-man:

whats the story with some complaints about backend instability on the mailing list?

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k-man:

like in this thread

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k-man:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . 27?page=last

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dewman:

k-man, must be user error. ;-)

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Psy123:

HI guys. I've got a question about the ff/rw > pause/play issue with mythvideo. I sthere any way around it?

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Psy123:

Other than not pressing pause when fast forwarding?

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sphery:

Psy123: you're supposed to use SELECT (space/enter) instead of pause to get out of ff/rw

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sphery:

Psy123: I /think/ it may also work to use PLAY (Ctrl+P), but I haven't tested.

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potatoe:

I am editing my menu.xml for my media machine. When I select the item, I want to replace the image that appears on the right ( right now I see a joystick )

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potatoe:

I have 'JUMP MythVideo' can I add a parameter so it only browses a particular folder ?

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wagnerrp:

no

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potatoe:

Darn :(

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potatoe:

Does mythtv read m3u files ?

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wagnerrp:

only as a channel definition for IPTV tuners

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potatoe:

ok

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potatoe:

I'll ask my question differently. I have only one game on my mythtv box, I am launching it from the menu using "EXEC" as the action. I want the game's icon to appear from the menu, any idea how to do this ? I could probably extract the icon from the windows executable ( running in wine ) and make a PNG file.

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potatoe:

Can I generate an XML for a sub-menu on-demand from a bash script ?

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wagnerrp:

i believe the menus are only read once on startup

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potatoe:

Ok, given I turn the computer off each night, I could call the bash script from rc.d or something like that

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wagnerrp:

if you only have the one game, why would you need to change anything?

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sphery:

updated with the current screenshot from the save game?

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potatoe:

Well, I want to have the game's icon instead of the joystick image. It's easier for my daughter to understand.

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potatoe:

Ooh, screen shot is a good idea

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sphery:

but the game's icon would be the same all the time--you wouldn't need to change it

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sphery:

(i.e. doesn't need to be a dynamic menu hack)

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potatoe:

Right. The game's icon and the dynamic menu are unrelated questions :)

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sphery:

You could call it MythGame, Apple Trailers Edition

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potatoe:

ok, I am feeling really stupid right now. I found the theme directories but I can't find the images that are part of the theme. Specifically the joystick icon that comes with the blue menus

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sphery:

(by that I'm referencing a terrible hack that was implemented before by a script that put links to Apple Trailers RSS feed in the main menu--in violation of the Apple ToS)

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potatoe:

find -name mythtv -exec find {} -name *.png \;

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sphery:

likely the "blue menus" are MythCenter/MythCenter-wide, which uses default* fallback for UI theme stuff (and images are UI theme, not menu theme, TTBOMK)

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sphery:

ttbomk, no menu themes--defaultmenu, classic, DVR, mediacentermenu, ... have images. They let the UI theme provide theme-appropriate images

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sphery:

so check MythCenter* (assuming that's the UI theme you're using) and default*

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potatoe:

I think I found it

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potatoe:

found it, the directory was called 'watermark', I never thought to look in their

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potatoe:

there*

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potatoe:

and you are right, it's called "mythcenter"

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potatoe:

the file is referenced in menu-ui.xml, I am adding a new entry :)

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Psy123:

sphery or wagnerrp...Respectfully, Any chance I could direct your attention to the question I asked before?

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wagnerrp:

i honestly dont know what issue youre referring to

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sphery:

Psy123: the one I answered about pause with ffwd/rew?

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Psy123:

Ok. Media file playback with mythvideo: Fastforward, then press pause while fast forwarding. Then press Play. Boots back to

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Psy123:

video browser.

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wagnerrp:

that sounds like a bug that deserves a ticket

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sphery:

ah, thought you meant that it was pausing instead of playing

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iamlindoro:

Note that you should *not* file it as a "mythvideo" bug

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iamlindoro:

and mythvideo is not a video player

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iamlindoro:

that said, I can't reproduce

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iamlindoro:

ffwd->pause->play works just fine here

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wagnerrp:

yeah, ive never heard reports of that issue before

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potatoe:

ok. I got it. I added my icon to menuui in my theme and changed "type" to match "state", and I got my image, it even add a cool reflection. Awesome! Thanks

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Psy123:

How many times did you FF?

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iamlindoro:

Tested all ffwd speeds, all worked fine

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wagnerrp:

potatoe: needs more lens flare

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iamlindoro:

Psy123: what version of MythTV are you running?

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Psy123:

Hmmm. Log shows buffering issues, however not when I press space/enter to get out of FF

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Psy123:

In that case works fine

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iamlindoro:

Psy123: you're not trying to run MythTV over wireless or something, are you?

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potatoe:

Is it legal if I go take a picture of a movie theatre ( outside ) and use that as the icon for "videos" ?

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Psy123:

.24

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Psy123:

No wireless.

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iamlindoro:

*shrug* Anyway, works fine here

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Psy123:

While playing local RMVB video

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wagnerrp:

potatoe: i dont see why not

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wagnerrp:

Psy123: well theres your problem

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wagnerrp:

rmvb... eech...

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iamlindoro:

Yes, it's quite likely a problem with ffmpeg support of RMVB and not a myth issue at all

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Psy123:

I will try with another format. What format have you tested with?

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potatoe:

I often read stories about people bringing cams inside and getting in trouble, and I don't want to cause trouble.

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iamlindoro:

MPEG TS, MKV, avi, all work fine

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Psy123:

Not found/tested this issue with other formats myself.

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iamlindoro:

What possessed you to use RMVB containers?

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wagnerrp:

potatoe: youre talking about standing outside in the parking lot and taking a picture?

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Psy123:

OK. Will test. Back in 10

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: the 90s

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iamlindoro:

Just put your content in something that is actually a functional container

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potatoe:

wagerrp, yes

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potatoe:

I could take it from the street if that's less illegal

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wagnerrp:

potatoe: no one is going to care if you take a picture in the parking lot, likely no one will care if you take a picture in the lobby

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wagnerrp:

someone will care if you try to take pictures in the theater itself

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potatoe:

ah ok

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wagnerrp:

let me rephrase that, people might care, but probably no so long as you put it away before the movie starts

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wagnerrp:

note that there may be issues with distributing such an image if it has a company name on it

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Psy123:

iamlindora: Just testing RMVB for a customer of ours.

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iamlindoro:

Psy123: Testing for what purpose? *Nobody* should be using RMVB for any purpose

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iamlindoro:

FFMpeg's support of the container is poor, and the container itself is poor-- it should not be used under any circumstance

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wagnerrp:

it provides no advantages over other competing containers

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wagnerrp:

and industry support is very poor

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Psy123:

Try explaining that to my customer... Was a specific request.

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wagnerrp:

this is a customer buying a mythtv box?

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wagnerrp:

from you?

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Psy123:

yes.

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Psy123:

Any other containers /file formats to be avoided?

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wagnerrp:

in that case, its likely theyre using it for pirated asian content

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wagnerrp:

for some strange reason, those asians like their rmvb

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wagnerrp:

go figure

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Psy123:

You ARE CORRECT – chinese customer.

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Psy123:

sigh

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wagnerrp:

fourth paragraph... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RMVB

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iamlindoro:

Well, since you're the vendor and the buck stops with you, you should start working on improving ffmpeg RMVB container support

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Psy123:

did'nt know it was asian specific though

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iamlindoro:

Then Myth would inherit it in our next ffmpeg sync in 6–8 months

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Psy123:

I can hack – as you know script – and experienced PHP programmer – not sure adding functionality to ffmpeg is quite within my

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Psy123:

experience level.

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wagnerrp:

i would simply suggest to them a number of tools they could use to rip their DVDs and encode their recordings to more sane formats

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Psy123:

I guess the chinese arn't interested in doing so.

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potatoe:

I am now in MythVideo and have added a couple of 'folder.png' files in the various locations. Can I hide the yellow folder that appears in front of my image ?

[16:04:58]

iamlindoro:

Psy123: With no slight intended against you, You may want to avoid trying to commercialize MythTV

[16:05:30]

iamlindoro:

Most of us who have been at it for years and know it better than anyone would still never attempt to sell it to someone-- the support load and gotchas simply make it impractical

[16:05:42]

Psy123:

Fair, enough, but I've already put 6 months into the process.

[16:06:00]

iamlindoro:

We get a few people in here a year who want to turn it in to a business venture, and the one thing they share in common is a lack of adequate knowhow and experience to be able to do it in an acceptable way

[16:06:06]

Psy123:

Have you ever used a commercial PVR?

[16:06:11]

iamlindoro:

Yes

[16:06:18]

Psy123:

Suprising.

[16:06:34]

Psy123:

Find me one that's free of glitches?

[16:06:49]

iamlindoro:

There are none, but that's not the primary source of concern

[16:06:50]

Psy123:

I could dumb down Myth and give you one.

[16:06:50]

sphery:

well, I can guarantee you that MythTV is /not/ free of glitches

[16:07:07]

Psy123:

I iknow that for sure.

[16:07:14]

Psy123:

The bain of my life ATM

[16:07:15]

iamlindoro:

Commercial PVRs work with one type of hardware, on one type of broadcast mechanism, with simple UIs compared to Myth's, and with a more static development cycle

[16:07:31]

Psy123:

Thats why im doing this.

[16:07:50]

Psy123:

I have a single stable platform that I can source for atleast 2 years.

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iamlindoro:

MythTV is a moving target focused on every broadcast format with every type of hardware, with a substantially more complicated learning curve to use, let alone set up

[16:08:13]

Psy123:

Im selling to one market, with a fixed tuner config.

[16:08:27]

Psy123:

THats mythtv's problem.

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iamlindoro:

And given your question, you probably need to find someone who is a competent developer who is intimately familiar with myth, even if you accept all that

[16:08:41]

Psy123:

Too flexible – trick is to remove the flexibility from it.

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iamlindoro:

To do that to the extent you need to, you need an experienced myth developer

[16:09:15]

Psy123:

Found work arounds for all but 2 problems im aware of.

[16:09:15]

iamlindoro:

and possibly one who is familiar with both recorder and ffmpeg code

[16:09:41]

sphery:

not to mention the IP and patent and licensing issues that go with trying to commercialize mythtv

[16:10:05]

wagnerrp:

yeah, at the very least you have to negotiate a decoding license with MPEGLA

[16:10:06]

potatoe:

What is the recommended size for folder.png ?

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sphery:

everything from program listings to codecs to things we don't even know about that any IP troll could easily decide to sue you over

[16:10:17]

Psy123:

First issue is the sudo tuner issue – myth thinking that a sudo tuner should have full access to all channels, even though its

[16:10:18]

Psy123:

primary tuner is busy.

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iamlindoro:

There's no such thing as a "sudo tuner"

[16:10:36]

wagnerrp:

and i dont know how schedules direct would work with a commercial version of mythtv

[16:10:51]

Psy123:

In Australia

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sphery:

pseudo service mythtv start

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Psy123:

LOL

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Psy123:

EIT is fantastic.

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iamlindoro:

But Myth's support of EIT is not

[16:11:22]

Psy123:

psuedo yes you are correct...Too much linux

[16:11:24]

iamlindoro:

since it can and does decide to occasionally hand the backend

[16:11:27]

iamlindoro:

er hang

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Psy123:

Again find me one PVR which does not.

[16:11:52]

iamlindoro:

Most PVRs don't have a backend to hang

[16:11:54]

Psy123:

Ever used a Realtek system?

[16:11:56]

iamlindoro:

so "pretty much all of them"

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sphery:

FWIW, I agree with iamlindoro. Making a commercial system using MythTV is easy. What will cost you a fortune is supporting it.

[16:12:42]

iamlindoro:

Psy123: You're working under the mistaken impression that I've never used anything but Myth-- on the contrary, I used to work in a cable headed, am a MythTV developer, and frequently use other softwares to test where we're at, look for ideas, etc.

[16:12:48]

Psy123:

Been using .21 at home for a year or so – no issues with backend...Mind you – not nearly as advanced as the .24 we're working on.

[16:13:27]

EvilGuru:

I suspect for 95% of people the current PVR solutions are good enough and a myth based system is never going to win on cost

[16:13:45]

sphery:

EvilGuru: +1

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sphery:

I have explicitly told people that MythTV is a bad idea for them after they saw or heard about my system.

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Psy123:

Not at all. I sell and use every single PVR on the Aussie market. I repair them, take support calls all the time and have used

[16:14:20]

Psy123:

myth enough to know this system is as good as any -properly configured with a repeatable platform.

[16:15:23]

iamlindoro:

Psy123: Needing to come here to ask us for help on such a basic and relatively widely known issue suggests that you've got a rough road ahead

[16:15:27]

EvilGuru:

the key features of myth, support for multiple cards, networked frontend, would all be eroded in a commercial product

[16:15:46]

iamlindoro:

Or that you'll simply "escalate" here when you've got anything beyond a basic level problem

[16:15:54]

iamlindoro:

at which point most of us will start to tune out

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iamlindoro:

None of that is meant to be insulting, just trying to be straight up with you

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iamlindoro:

I'm happy to help a hobbyist, but have no interest in being second level support for someone's personal gain

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Psy123:

I've got plenty beyond basic level problems as we speak.

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sphery:

Well, again, be very careful with the IP issues. Today's commercial environment is all about IP trolling. Reference all the lawsuits in the mobile device sector. And, this even applies in Australia--as proved by Australia upholding Apple's injuction to prevent Samsung from selling its Galaxy Tab in the country.

[16:16:57]

potatoe:

IP Trolling :)

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Psy123:

Good advice. We have been approached by foxtel in the past.

[16:17:20]

potatoe:

iptroll : you can't use 192.168.42.0/255.255.255.0 !

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EvilGuru:

If someone had said that five years ago I would've asked if it were something you'd do with nmap

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EvilGuru:

Talking of commercial myth, wasn't there some company down under trying it?

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sphery:

dragon something?

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EvilGuru:

As in had a rebranded (no mention of myth) 'product'

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sphery:

NZ, I think

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iamlindoro:

Dragon was the attempt at a standardized platform for LinHES/Knoppmyth, that was on the up and up

[16:18:36]

Psy123:

This has myth written all over it.

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Psy123:

No probs there.

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sphery:

ah, ok... couldn't remember

[16:19:29]

Psy123:

Start up wizard – use chooses if they want to use non free codecs.

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sphery:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Commercial_MythTV_System has a list of some (possibly outdated list)

[16:19:41]

iamlindoro:

Psy123: Huh? Non free codecs for what?

[16:19:45]

Psy123:

Same as any ubuntu install.

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iamlindoro:

MythTV doesn't *use* external codecs... so the user has no choice in the matter

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wagnerrp:

Psy123: recordings are in mpeg2 containers (non free), recordings use mpeg2 and mpeg4 encoding

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iamlindoro:

There's no "nonfree" to enable

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wagnerrp:

the only way you could get by with free codes in mythtv

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Psy123:

Sorry not non free as in non free, but propriety paid encoders.

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wagnerrp:

is to use only framegrabbers, rtjpeg, and nuppelvideo

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sphery:

So, there was OpenMedia who developed myPVR in NZ. And Better Access sells Australian Dragon.

[16:20:59]

iamlindoro:

Psy123: You are emitting word mishmash

[16:21:04]

EvilGuru:

You would need a license for at least the transport streams

[16:21:42]

iamlindoro:

And since you mention using EIT, that would indeed be TS

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EvilGuru:

If you use some kind of hardware decoding you might (IANAL) be able to forego MPEG-2 and MPEG-4 decoding licenses

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Psy123:

Need a license to to decode TS?

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wagnerrp:

MPEG2TS

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devinheitmueller:

Psy123: Yup.

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devinheitmueller:

Somebody has to pay the patent royalties...

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Psy123:

Does the man of my tuner not have that?

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wagnerrp:

your tuner outputs filtered MPEG2TS streams

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Psy123:

I dont make the tuners – we use HD homeruns

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wagnerrp:

the tuner has its own license for its own needs

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wagnerrp:

but a commercial version of mythtv would need a separate license as well

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Psy123:

You're confused.

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Psy123:

Im realing a modded version of myth specifically configured for certain hardware.

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iamlindoro:

On the contrary, you are confused

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wagnerrp:

yes, mythtv operates unlicensed

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Psy123:

Nothing proprietry happening here -

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sphery:

which is why MythTV does not make builds available

[16:26:04]

iamlindoro:

You are incorrect

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wagnerrp:

it MPEGLA wanted to come after us, they would be completely in their right to do so

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wagnerrp:

s/it/if/

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sphery:

we only distribute source

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iamlindoro:

As soon as you start parsing patented streams, which Myth does and cannot "not do," you need a license

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Psy123:

So Mythbuntu etc?

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sphery:

Psy123: please read: http://www.debian.org/reports/patent-faq

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iamlindoro:

Also would require a license when distributed commercially

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Psy123:

Again you're confused.

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iamlindoro:

No. We're not.

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wagnerrp:

youre talking to several developers, and one tuner manufacturer

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Psy123:

Whats the problem with selling an HTPC with an image of a drive which contains nothing more than mythbuntu with a bunch of mods?

[16:27:52]

iamlindoro:

You aim to distribute a commercial Myth system. *Any* such implementation will requrie you to license, minimally, MPEG-TS, the MPEG-2 codec, and H.264 codec in Australia-- and that's probably just the tip of the iceberg

[16:27:53]

wagnerrp:

you are selling an unlicensed decoder

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Psy123:

THankyou wagnerrp I do know that.

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sphery:

Psy123: Ubuntu, etc. are covered under, "As part of a community distribution project, who is most likely to get sued for patent infringement?" and "We are a FOSS distribution and we don't make any money. How will we pay damages if they are awarded against us?"

[16:28:23]

wagnerrp:

Psy123: which makes you ripe for patent suits

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sphery:

Psy123: /you/ however, would be covered under, "We are a FOSS distribution and we make money. Does that make us more susceptible to a patent infringement suit?"

[16:28:56]

wagnerrp:

mythtv, ffmpeg, mplayer, xbmc... theyre all protected by two facts

[16:29:05]

Psy123:

Yes... when who ever gets upset about it realises they have lost $10 from the breech, im sure they will pursue me.

[16:29:07]

wagnerrp:

they dont make any money, so there is no profit in seeking a lawsuit

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sphery:

or, really, a question they didn't pose, "We are a commercial enterprise and we make money. Does that make us more susceptible to a patent infringement suit?"

[16:29:21]

iamlindoro:

Psy123: You drastically underestiamte how much the license will cost you

[16:29:24]

iamlindoro:

it is *not* $10

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wagnerrp:

and they are large visible targets that an attack would being bad PR

[16:29:42]

wagnerrp:

its not worth them to sue us

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sphery:

heh, maybe $10/device in lots of 10,000 or more :)

[16:29:47]

iamlindoro:

And definitely not after you add damages

[16:29:54]

wagnerrp:

it is worth them to sue a commercial retailer

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Psy123:

You guys are so confused....Seriously, if I were to make any money out of this, I have no doubt licensing fees would be paid.

[16:30:09]

iamlindoro:

You are putting the cart before the horse

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iamlindoro:

License fees first

[16:30:18]

iamlindoro:

then make money

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sphery:

ah, that sounds like a really annoying suggestion

[16:30:50]

sphery:

why can't I make money using someone else's property, /then/ pay a few bucks to make them happy

[16:30:58]

sphery:

(joke--iamlindoro is right)

[16:31:05]

iamlindoro:

And stumbling into it without even the vaguest notion of what you need to license is just plain ignorant-- calling *us* confused doesn't change that

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devinheitmueller:

Psy123: It doesn't matter. If you distribute a product that has the functionality, you are responsible for the license fees, regardless of whether you make any money.

[16:31:14]

sphery:

(especially since "few" is totally understating the cost)

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Psy123:

OK guys. Point taken.

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Psy123:

THankyou.

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wagnerrp:

now canonical (mythbuntu) has some form of license that in some way indemnifies them against distribution issues

[16:33:35]

wagnerrp:

but it does not follow on that someone else can distribute mythbuntu installed machines under that same license

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: Thought that only covered GStreamer, too?

[16:33:52]

wagnerrp:

ah, that may be

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Psy123:

Tell that to the hundreds of Netbooks that come released with it.

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wagnerrp:

all of those netbooks are sold by companies that have licensed mpeg patents

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iamlindoro:

^^ That

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sphery:

wagnerrp: ah, yeah, forgot that Canonical bought a license

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Psy123:

Yes – true targets for littegation.

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wagnerrp:

no, theyre not targets, because they have licenses

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Psy123:

they would be if they didn't..

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sphery:

they're /customers/, not targets, of the licensing corps

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Psy123:

Look guys, we're a shitty little hard working business... We've sold 0 units and are trying to make something sellable. Until it

[16:36:59]

Psy123:

is sellable, I'll worry about your points.

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Psy123:

not take action on them.

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Psy123:

Fair enough?

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iamlindoro:

Psy123: You are under the mistaken impression that we're trying to crush you dreams-- We're not. The people who will crush your dreams are the one who will come and take your home, your kids college fund, your car, and sleep like babies when they do

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Psy123:

No – but i am under the impression you think this projeted is much further developed than it is.

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iamlindoro:

You're in a publicly logged channel on a public IP discussing your total obliviousness to the licensing issues you appear ready to ignore-- this is all discoverable, and it's the kind of stuff lawyers love

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iamlindoro:

So IMO the best thing you could do is stop talking and arguing with us right now to prevent digging a deeper hole

[16:40:20]

iamlindoro:

I mean, feel free to continue, but that'll just erode our desire to do what we're trying to do-- which is *help you*

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Psy123:

You're the onyl one agruging..Im agreeing with you. If you'd take a few deep breaths, read what im saying, you'd realise that.

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iamlindoro:

Psy123: I'm not even remotely perturbed-- You should really stop talking now.

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** wagnerrp wonders when e westbrook will respond **

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dewman:

I think i need an adult beverage.

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Psy123:

All I can gather with what you're saying is that I should give up.

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wagnerrp:

no, were saying if you want to actually make something of this, you need to start investigating licensing issue now

[16:43:55]

Psy123:

Did you miss the part where I agreed with you?

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Psy123:

Too busy flaming.

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Psy123:

to sorry.

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** iamlindoro sighs **

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wagnerrp:

but you said you have sold units

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iamlindoro:

and it *is* "too"

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wagnerrp:

you have some asian customer

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Psy123:

prospective.

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Psy123:

0 units yes.

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potatoe:

How can I remove the yellow folder icons ?

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Psy123:

Change the theme

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sphery:

get proper metadata for your mythvideo videos and it will use content-specific icons?

[16:49:36]

sphery:

or change to a flat view instead of browsing the file system--where browsing the file system is a bad idea, anyway, IMHO

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Psy123:

doesn't work with folders which have sub folders.

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wagnerrp:

that depends on how the folders are set up

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sphery:

maybe there's a db + file system view... I don't know--there are too many options there, so I can't figure it out. :)

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sphery:

anyway, file system without db is a bad idea

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potatoe:

Yuck, I do not like flat view :P

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sphery:

well, make sure you're not using file system without db

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potatoe:

ok

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potatoe:

I mounted a samba share to /var/lib/mythtv/videos. I have to do 'scan for changes' when I add new movies from my DVD-ripping machine ( it's legal here in Canada ).

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scampgb:

Hi. Would some kind soul help me with a mythfrontend that keeps pausing/stuttering during playback? I've tried everything I can think of to resolve it (including a complete reinstall) and am now at my wits' end

[16:54:51]

potatoe:

scampgb, I had a similar problem, turns out it was my hard disk which was freezing.

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scampgb:

I get messages like "Video is 4.46123 frames behind audio (too slow), dropping frame to catch up." in the log

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Psy123:

scamp: What video drivers are u using?

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scampgb:

Potatoe: I thought of that. The machine is a combined BE/FE, but I don't have the problem if I play back a file on a remote FE (using this BE)

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scampgb:

Nvidia 173. Since the problem started a couple of weeks ago, and gradually got worse, I've since done a brand new install of Debian Squeeze

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Psy123:

Or rather, what video card?

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scampgb:

I don't have the problem when playing an .AVI file through mythvideo

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Psy123:

Still stuttering?

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Psy123:

On new install?

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scampgb:

Yup. I've tried some hardware diagnostics (memory, disk and video memory) – nothing reported there either

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Psy123:

using VDPAU?

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scampgb:

No – I don't think my card supports it. It's quite old (FX5200)

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wagnerrp:

potatoe: samba share?

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Psy123:

Have you tried?

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potatoe:

wagnerrp, yes ? Is that bad ?

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scampgb:

I do have Samba set up, but get the problem even if nothing else is accessing it.

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wagnerrp:

why not just store the content on your backend fileserver?

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wagnerrp:

scampgb: what is the video you are trying to play, what is your CPU?

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potatoe:

The content is on my backend server

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scampgb:

The machine that I'm having a problem with is a combined FE/BE – so the content is effectively local

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scampgb:

Mythfrontend is using about 50–70% CPU

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scampgb:

Interestingâ€¦ when it completely freezes (for several seconds), it's Xorg that's eating the CPU

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scampgb:

The stuttering is usually only for less than a second, so it's difficult to spot what's happening. Sometimes it pauses for a few seconds though

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sphery:

scampgb: which video playback profile (mythfrontend Utilities/Setup|Setup|TV Setting|Playback, 3rd screen)?

[17:02:35]

sphery:

you should be using Slim

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sphery:

(since your card doesn't support VDPAU)

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scampgb:

Hmmm – just noticed a few messages such as "VIDIA(0): Initialized AGP GART." in the Xorg.log file

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scampgb:

It was on "Normal" – I'll just switch it to "Slim" and see what happens

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sphery:

normal is better than the one I'd have guessed (figured you had CPU+ or something)... but Normal does use more processor-intensive deinterlacing

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sphery:

so that might be the problem

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scampgb:

I'm testing it now – thanksâ€¦

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scampgb:

The playback seems much smoother now, thanks. CPU usage of mythfrontend is about 30%

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potatoe:

I found the file in default themes and deleted it :)

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scampgb:

sphery: You're a genius, thank you. I've just been able to do 3 minutes of playback and there's only been one (0.5 second) audio buffer under run. A great improvement.

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sphery:

scampgb: Glad it's helping. What kind of cpu and what type of content (codec and bitrate/resolution)?

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sphery:

(or at least how are you recording the show--using what type of capture device)

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scampgb:

The content was captured using a DVB-T card in the UK. How can I check the codec/bitrate?

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wagnerrp:

sphery, you know much about the scheduler?

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scampgb:

The CPU is an AMD Athlon XP 1500+ (a 1.3Ghz chip)

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scampgb:

Hmmm – just had my first "freeze" with the new setting. It's been playing back for about 13 mins though, so that's a great improvement

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sphery:

I thought UK DVB-T was MPEG-4 AVC (H.264)? If so, I'm guessing this is a standard-definition broadcast--or else that CPU is doing much better than I'd have guessed it could possibly do.

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wagnerrp:

its a bit of a mix

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sphery:

wagnerrp: I know a lot about the theory, but not a lot about the actual code... feel free to ask and I'll defer if I don't know

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scampgb:

It's definitely an SD recording

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scampgb:

UK DVB only has HD in some areas (and I'm not in one of them :-( )

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wagnerrp:

just a comment gigem made, matching with oldrecording is the most intensive part of scheduler runs

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wagnerrp:

that just doesn't seem right

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sphery:

scampgb: ah, good--since that CPU is likely to never be able to do HDTV decoding of H.264 :)

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scampgb:

I was thinking an upgrade was in order once I get round to doing HD....

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sphery:

wagnerrp: I could imagine it being slow--it is a /huge/ join from mysql's perspective (and a join with very different possibilities/conditions on different rows)

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wagnerrp:

would that make any difference if there were only one join (recorded) rather than two (recorded/oldrecorded)

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fbnts:

Hi, im trying to work out whats causing video/audio stuttering on my front end whilst playing a video from my backend. the frontend log is showing loads of "Waited 100ms for video buffers"

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wagnerrp:

fbnts: what codec/bitrate, what cpu?

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sphery:

scampgb: agreed--will pretty much be a requirement. If nothing else, a VDPAU-capable video card, but you're better off getting a modern Athlon II or Core 2 or Core i... (I'm thinking you're better off with Athlon II dual core with reasonable TDP than a new A-series AMD with higher TDP--especially since the GPU on the A-series will be useless to you)

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fbnts:

From what I can see its not CPU related on either system (running top on both doesnt hit 100%)

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wagnerrp:

does it hit 50% on either system?

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fbnts:

its about 47% on the frontend

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wagnerrp:

and what CPU?

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fbnts:

but if I put the file locally on the frontend it plays fine

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sphery:

wagnerrp: btw, did you notice how on the A-series chips, vendors seem to be quoting the "turbo" speeds?

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scampgb:

Sphery: thanks for the advice. The current box is about 5 years old, and I'm thinking about turning it into a dedicated backend and getting a small, attractive frontend machine to stick under the TV

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wagnerrp:

sphery: no i didnt, thats pretty awful

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sphery:

agreed

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fbnts:

its an Atom – one sec will check exactly which one

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sphery:

might just be the systems vendors--I haven't seen the CPU for sale alone, yet

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sphery:

but I've seen a lot of laptops quoting the turbo speed on their e-series and the few desktops with the a-series seem to quote turbo, too

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sphery:

therefore, I have a feeling we'll get a lot of, "I have a new 2.6GHz AMD Llano and it's not able to play back my ..." posts

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wagnerrp:

"erm, there is no 2.6GHz llano"

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fbnts:

wagnerrp: its an Intel Atom N230 1.6Ghz (its a Acer Revo R3600)

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wagnerrp:

presumably youre using a VDPAU profile?

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sphery:

"but it's an A8–3530MX--top of the line, eight-core, 2.6GHz chip!"

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fbnts:

not at the moment – when I changed to VDPAU it would take 5–10 attempts to start playing anything

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wagnerrp:

without VDPAU, that system is garbage

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sphery:

but it's garbage in a small form factor!

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fbnts:

I will try with VDPAU again. Would that make a difference to the above issue as it plays fine locally. the video is H264 480x280

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wagnerrp:

wireless ethernet?

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fbnts:

no, 10/100 wired network

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wagnerrp:

hub or switch?

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fbnts:

switch

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wagnerrp:

are you pulling a lot of data off the backend besides mythtv?

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fbnts:

just tried enabling VDPAU Normal and when I try the play the video it hangs then I get "Failed to initialise video output"

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sphery:

wagnerrp: granted, this one is TigerDirect, but: http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searc . . . jCVqHCjCdwwp ... Under "AMD Quad-Core A8–3850 2.9GHz Radeon HD 6550D APU – Qty: 1" "Processor Speed: A8–3850 / 2.9GHz"

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fbnts:

sometimes theres another frontend running but not at the moment

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wagnerrp:

sphery: the A8–3850 is 2.9GHz

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fbnts:

if I keep retrying to play the video it will eventually start

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fbnts:

(with VDPAU enabled)

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wagnerrp:

the desktop systems do not have any significant turbo, and that chip has none at all

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wagnerrp:

its the mobile ones that really crank up their speed when the other cores are segmented off

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sphery:

wagnerrp: ah, yeah, you're right

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fbnts:

it just started to play with VDPAU enabled and I still get the "Waited 100ms for video buffers"

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sphery:

I had assumed they had the same "standard/turbo" as the mobiles

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wagnerrp:

and to be honest, they are probably identical to their desktop brethren, they just use a different power profile for low TDP

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sphery:

yeah, makes sense

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sphery:

the A8–3850 desktop is 100W whereas the A8–3850MX is 40W....

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fbnts:

wagnerrp: is there any CLI tools to monitor ethernet utilisation? I'm thinking that may be the problem

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sphery:

so it's likely the same, but they allow for running it at turbo full time in the TDP estimate

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sphery:

fbnts: nettop

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fbnts:

thanks sphery. I have just ran nettop on the backend and tried to play the video and it appears to maxing out at 9.7Mb however if I play another video that works that uses about 768Kb

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wagnerrp:

sphery: they just use a smaller package for the mobile version?

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wagnerrp:

fbnts: mkv file?

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fbnts:

the problem file is a .mp4 – the video is H264 480x280

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fbnts:

the working file is XVID 624x352

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wagnerrp:

huh?

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wagnerrp:

oh

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wagnerrp:

well the xvid file falls back to software decoding, which that atom is powerful enough to handle

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wagnerrp:

the h264 file for some reason doesnt work with hardware decoding

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wagnerrp:

and is too slow for software decoding

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fbnts:

is the decoding performed on the backend?

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wagnerrp:

as indicated by the half CPU load on a hyperthreaded CPU

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wagnerrp:

frontend

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wagnerrp:

the Atom

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fbnts:

well both files play fine if they are stored on the frontend hdd

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fbnts:

when playing from the backend storage group the h264 stutters and from the result from nettop its maxing out the network

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wagnerrp:

there was some issue with the mkv reader in ffmpeg

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wagnerrp:

that it would read in bursts

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wagnerrp:

and that burst could exceed the network limitations and result in a lack of data to decode and stuttering

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wagnerrp:

i havent heard of a similar issue in mp4 though

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fbnts:

oh right

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sphery:

though you /do/ need to be running current mythtv 0.24-fixes for the best performance

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sphery:

like very current--within the last couple weeks at worst, or from the end of this week at best

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fbnts:

im using mythbuntu and have enabled the autobuilds

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wagnerrp:

sphery: i thought the QT SQL stuff would automatically connect through the file socket if told to use localhost or 127.0.0.1

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sphery:

wagnerrp: wow, seems Thomas had a huge oldrecorded table--took him 5 years to clear it

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sphery:

wagnerrp: it was when I last fixed it--but things have changed, so that might have gotten re-borked (especially with the recent use localhost ip change?)

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wagnerrp:

regarding mitch capper's email

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MitchCapper:

for some reason mythtv keeps trying to connect to mysql from the backend on 127.0.0.1 i thought it was: https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/50606cd50 so i commented out the useLookbacup = true lines

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sphery:

ah, but it was actually /our/ code that switched to localhost

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MitchCapper:

;)

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wagnerrp:

yeah, just discussing you

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wagnerrp:

we shouldnt be connecting to 127.0.0.1, ever

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wagnerrp:

so your problem shouldnt be a problem, it should be considered a real bug

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MitchCapper:

yea

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wagnerrp:

not one that reverts the changes

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wagnerrp:

but one that fixes the mysql connection to localhost

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sphery:

Perhaps what might be happening is that it's triggering the use of localhost on the MSocket ping hack?

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sphery:

wagnerrp: i.e. we're now triggering https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/03f345115 because now host != "localhost" (since it's changing it to use 127.0.0.1 or ::1)

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wagnerrp:

so just add a couple more entries to that conditional?

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sphery:

MitchCapper: can you change https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/03f345115 to try: if (host != "localhost" && host != "127.0.0.1" && host != "::1" && !telnet(host, port))

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sphery:

and see if it fixes it--if so, I'll push the change for you

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MitchCapper:

sure one sec, was adding some debug to mythdbcon to see what values it was having at the local socket check point

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sphery:

wagnerrp: is it ok to use 127.0.0.1? (I think that's what Qt uses, even though localhost could, theoretically, be differently mapped, right?)

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wagnerrp:

are you speaking in terms of login?

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wagnerrp:

thats my biggest issue with it

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wagnerrp:

someone might have given access rights to some routable ip, but not localhost

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MitchCapper:

localhost will = 127.0.0.1 point is if its localhost it should be the local socket and not the tcp connection

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sphery:

I'm speaking mainly in terms of not knowing exactly what wikipedia means by: On modern computer systems, localhost as a hostname translates to an IPv4 address in the 127.0.0.0/8 (loopback) net block, usually 127.0.0.1, or ::1 in IPv6.[2]

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sphery:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Localhost

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sphery:

networking is black magic to me

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wagnerrp:

i believe localhost is manually defined in the hosts file

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sphery:

wagnerrp: I /so/ want to remove that ugly ping-using-msocket hack...

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wagnerrp:

not something automatically handled by the internal code

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sphery:

yeah, I know I have an entry for it in my /etc/hosts... I've just never seen it set to anything besides 127.0.0.1 or ::1, so I don't know when you can and why you would.

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MitchCapper:

if I tell mythtv to connect to 10.1.1.1 im not sure auto deciding to use the local socket is the best option as it may also mess with peoples ACL rights in mysql

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sphery:

MitchCapper: we don't decide which to use--the Qt MySQL drivers do

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MitchCapper:

hrm that didnt fix it sphery im seeing:

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sphery:

MitchCapper: we only say that if you're connecting to a DB on the local host, we use the "localhost" name, instead, so we use socket-based connections instead of the (much-less-efficient) TCP/IP ones

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MitchCapper:

2011-08–14 11:00:06.793432 I MythSocket(c20d90:-1): IP is local, using loopback address instead

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MitchCapper:

2011-08–14 11:00:06.793441 I MythSocket(c20d90:-1): attempting connect() to (127.0.0.1:3306)

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bindi_:

hey, I'm planning to set up mythtv using IPTV (udp multicast). doable? also, how will the EPG work if there is no actual tuner plugged in

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MitchCapper:

ah

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MitchCapper:

i see my error

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sphery:

there, all we're doing is looking to see if /anything/ is listening on that port

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sphery:

looks like I forgot to include the && port in the conditional

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MitchCapper:

the usingLoopback bool is useless it just prints out the debug message

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MitchCapper:

if i comment out the addr = line before it then im back online

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sphery:

yeah, we're only using that to see if we should check to see if someone is listening on the port--which we shouldn't do if we're not using the network port (we will instead use sockets for local connections)

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MitchCapper:

as then it goes back to using the IP I tell it to, not solving the fact you want to be using the socket

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MitchCapper:

do you want me to try a different if line?

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NewBuntu81:

I have added a second drive. It doesn't seem to mount on bootup. That leads me to a question, should the 2nd drive be added as part of an LVM, or just a separate disk?

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wagnerrp:

is it a recording drive?

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NewBuntu81:

yes

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sphery:

MitchCapper: try putting the port back in... if (host != "localhost" && host != "127.0.0.1" && host != "::1" && port && !telnet(host, port))

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wagnerrp:

it should be independent

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sphery:

MitchCapper: please, that is :)

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MitchCapper:

no problem happy to test

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MitchCapper:

its 11 am on a sunday nothing to be recording:)

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sphery:

yeah, I think this is only an issue because we have a stupid hack in place that checks the db port before using the Qt driver to connect to the db port

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sphery:

I really need to test without that db hack to see if we can get equivalent logging without using our hack

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sphery:

but basically, we don't use MythSocket to talk to the DB, so if you're connecting to the DB with MythSocket, you're seeing this stupid "ping" hack

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MitchCapper:

yea still

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MitchCapper:

2011-08–14 11:08:52.769496 I MSocketDevice::connect: attempting to create new socket

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MitchCapper:

2011-08–14 11:08:52.769579 E MythSocket(7fad5c008560:17): connect() failed (ConnectionRefused

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sphery:

same hang with port back in?

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sphery:

can I see a full log in http://pastebin.com/ , please?

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MitchCapper:

sphery whats happening is

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MitchCapper:

at that point it still has the local IP im telling it to use

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MitchCapper:

it must not be until later that its being overwritten to the 127.0.0.1 ip

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MitchCapper:

i just did some printf's and it shows the other ip there which is why its still entering

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wagnerrp:

sphery: well that settles it, youll just have to reroute all mysql access through the backend

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sphery:

wagnerrp: heh, yeah, we need to get that done (for real :)

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brockp:

I am looking at installing a frontend plugin that is not part of the offical distrobution, Do I have to install it in the global plugin area or can I install it in ~/.mythtv/ ?

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wagnerrp:

brockp: it must be installed to the same prefix

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brockp:

damn, ok thanks, trying not to clutter the regular install like you can do with the menu xml files,

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brockp:

Now that mythstream has not been updated, is there a way to hook into shoutcast streams using the internet video plugins?

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sphery:

MitchCapper: can I see the log (with printfs is fine, too, if you want)

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sphery:

brockp: I think there's some basic shoutcast support in new mythmusic

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sphery:

though probably only in master

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brockp:

oooooo was looking in the wrong location then, thanks sphery!

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sphery:

(master = unstable/development code)

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MitchCapper:

http://pastebin.com/g6kRGBmd

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sphery:

brockp: I stand corrected--it's in 0.24+ ... http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . 45209#445209

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MitchCapper:

haha i nicely chopped the arg on the debug line there but it shows the host atelast:)

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sphery:

brockp: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/457837#457837

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sphery:

MitchCapper: can you get the whole log, so I can see exactly where we're at in init, please?

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MitchCapper:

sphery sure, but I think it pretty straightforward I tell mythtv to use 10.10.1.1 for mysql, that if statement makes sure 10.10.1.1 is not 127.0.0.1 which it isnt, then it calls telnet from util.cpp which calls connect from mythsocket.cpp, its the connect code in mythsocket thats transforming my 10.10.1.1 line to 127.0.0.1 per the code at: https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/50606cd50

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sphery:

MitchCapper: ah, I see--because you've configured 10.10.1.1 because you don't want to use efficient socket-based db access, you're seeing problems

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MitchCapper:

:)

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MitchCapper:

and its not that i care that much about changing to localhost now (although again will probably change my acls on the user) but my working config did have the IP itself there and thats what broke. http://pastebin.com/UqfgdSEU

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sphery:

yeah, this needs to be fixed--just not by reverting the previous change

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sphery:

:)

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brockp:

Does mythtvosd not work in 0.24 ?

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sphery:

brockp: correct... it might work in current 0.24-fixes

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sphery:

but it's been replaced with a new binary

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sphery:

MitchCapper: does http://pastebin.com/LxxfpzRf fix it?

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MitchCapper:

do as you like:) hahaha

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MitchCapper:

yes

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sphery:

brockp: mythmessage

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MitchCapper:

if you comment out that if statement

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MitchCapper:

it works

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sphery:

MitchCapper: thx...

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brockp:

yeah im on v0.24-243-g9ba3ece from the ubuntu repo,

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sphery:

brockp: yeah, it's looking like it wasn't backported (as it shouldn't have been, since it's a new feature)

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bindi_:

hey, I'm planning to set up mythtv using IPTV (udp multicast). doable? also, how will the EPG work if there is no actual tuner plugged in

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sphery:

bindi_: EPG is something you'll have to provide using xmltv-compatible files or, if you're in North America and your provider is a normal cable co, using Schedules Direct

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sphery:

bindi_: what provider are we talking about

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sphery:

oh, and note that the iptv implementation we have is specific to some French provider and may not work out of the box with others (but patches are appreciated)

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bindi_:

uh.. I live in Finland and my isp offers free iptv along the internet

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** EvilGuru is amazed that it is not all DRM'ed **

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bindi_:

http://bindi.arkku.net/upload/3J4rNeVsa7.png here, if this helpos

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bindi_:

helps*

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sphery:

if it is encrypted and you have to use a set-top-box for it, you aren't going to use IPTV config--it will be a normal analog encoder config

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sphery:

though looks like that's unencrypted (at least based on the fact that you have VLC playing it)

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bindi_:

it is

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bindi_:

i'm using xbmc for series atm but now that I have iptv possibility, I could ditch the digibox and start using this instead

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bindi_:

and wouldnt need to hop between tv / pc channel

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Zauberfisch:

good day gentlemen, i have founds some posts talking about watching videos that have been stored on the backend (videos from dvds, downloaded, ..., meaning not recordings but external files).

[20:53:58]

Zauberfisch:

i have then checked the faq, and found a line telling me such a thing is not possible

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Zauberfisch:

I am not sure now, is it possible or not?

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dewman:

Zauberfisch, yes it is....check this.... http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Storage_Groups#MythVideo

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iamlindoro:

Rather, read this instead: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythVideo

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Zauberfisch:

oh nice, thanks, how could i miss that :/ i actually found something MythVideo but i thought its a plugin to support other video formats.

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dewman:

iamlindoro, I was close... ;-)

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Zauberfisch:

hmmm, this will not work when I don't have a tv card set up, right?

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iamlindoro:

Zauberfisch: MythVideo is a metadata browser for organizing, parsing, and playing a video collection. When coupled with MythVideo's internal video player, it allows one to play one's entire video collection streamed from the backend to any frontend system with no configuration on the frontend

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iamlindoro:

dewman: Not that the info is wrong, it just looks like someone copy and pasted some very old text from the MythVideo page (which is more complete and up to date)

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Zauberfisch:

awesome, this sounds like exatly what i was searching for

[21:01:39]

Zauberfisch:

now i just need to get it running with my low skills ^

[21:02:03]

iamlindoro:

Zauberfisch: If you don't have a TV card set up, one wonders why you would use MythTV at all, but if you have a running Myth configuration, MythVideo will work fine

[21:03:08]

Zauberfisch:

well, i was searching for a media center software, and it seems that mythTV is the best out there

[21:03:12]

Zauberfisch:

so i picked that one

[21:03:19]

Zauberfisch:

later on i wish to add a tv card as well

[21:03:31]

Zauberfisch:

but first i want to get the video lib working

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wagnerrp:

if you are intending to use a tuner card, mythtv is great

[21:03:55]

wagnerrp:

however if you dont have one, mythtv is a bit over-complex of setup

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Zauberfisch:

the tv card is the next problem, for it does not work right away, and i am new to linux, therfore i have some troubles getting it running

[21:04:08]

wagnerrp:

since it requires some form of tuner card

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wagnerrp:

real or faked

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Zauberfisch:

oh, so i should just add a card in the back end, without actually having one, or do i need to emulate a card?

[21:06:42]

iamlindoro:

The latter

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Zauberfisch:

awwww

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iamlindoro:

It doesn't require extra setup

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iamlindoro:

you configured MythTV for the Demo Tuner and point it at a video file, the end

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iamlindoro:

er configure

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: IMO we should remove the wiki references to unofficial plugins which haven't worked since .21... thoughts?

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iamlindoro:

BOINC/Squuezbox/MPD/Vodka/Stream/Recipe

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wagnerrp:

fine with me

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wagnerrp:

MRE, mythtv to ipod, mythassistant, streamtuned, mythgrowl

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wagnerrp:

remote remote

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wagnerrp:

actually

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wagnerrp:

the author's site on that one says 0.23 or better

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wagnerrp:

oh, you were removing them completely?

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wagnerrp:

i thought you meant stuff them at the bottom

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: Honestly hadn't noticed the bottom until I did it, though it begs the question how long we should document things which haven't been usable for years

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sphery:

I never got the reasoning for a BOINC plugin... Then again, I explicitly disable the BOINC screensaver garbage (I figure if I'm paying for the electricity, I'd rather spend it on computing BOINC work units rather than displaying info about the BOINC work units I'm computing).

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sphery:

So maybe I'm just a strange user.

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sphery:

Tech Level: Doesn't Like Useless Screensavers Sucking Up CPU

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wagnerrp:

did you ever run the old seti client?

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dewman:

any thoughts on this for a front end? http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=NT330 . . . &cat=SYS

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wagnerrp:

get something with a real processor

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sphery:

pre-BOINC? Yeah. I got 5000 work units on it (exactly--I explicitly waited for #5000 to download before I stopped it downloading new ones, then finished the calcs and then switched to the BOINC client :)

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wagnerrp:

did you use the graphical or command line client?

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sphery:

dewman: I agree on the "real processor" suggestion. Though I am /also/ a confirmed Atom hater.

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dewman:

gotcha...

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wagnerrp:

sphery: ^^^

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sphery:

dewman my recommendation is core i (i3 and i5 being good for power usage) or core 2 or Athlon II. I also think that a nice dual core is better than a more-power-hungry(-and-often-slower-cored) tri or higher core CPU.

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wagnerrp:

s/slower-cored/slower-clocked/

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sphery:

wagnerrp: command-line... never ran the graphical on my GNU/Linux system--though I did see the Windows screensaver on my Windows systems before I started with GNU/Linux

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sphery:

heh, yeah, slower-clocked is a better way of putting it

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wagnerrp:

the command line version without the fancy visualization put out close to double the throughput

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sphery:

wow

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sphery:

I had no idea it was that different

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sphery:

talk about expensive eye candy

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wagnerrp:

at least it was on old mid-range P3s

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sphery:

yeah, I was using K6–2/380 and eventually Athlon back then

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Zauberfisch:

ok, i give up for now :/

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Zauberfisch:

I try my luck again at a later time

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dewman:

sphery, I wasnt set on getting anything, but would like to get the fe/be out of the living room....

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sphery:

dewman: I did that with a drill and a slightly longer video cable :)

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wagnerrp:

he now plugs his PC directly into the back of his head

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wagnerrp:

the longer video cable is to allow some walking around room

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sphery:

heh

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sphery:

the hard part was drilling the hole in the back of my head--the front would have been easier, but then people would stare at the port when I talk to them... "Hey, guy. I'm down here."

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dewman:

lol....you know, I could do that. i have a basement....The issue is the 3 year old and the 2 year old like to push buttons......

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dewman:

right now the fe/be is a p4 3.0 with 4 gigs of ram.... it works pretty good 720 does stutter at times but the wife doesnt seem to mind...(yet)

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sphery:

whew... after that loud lightning crack and my 'net cutting out, I thought it took down the cable ISP's distribution box thingy

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dewman:

thingy?

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sphery:

dewman: you mean you want to disable the power button or something? In a friend's house, we pulled the reset button's plug off the mobo and we blacklisted the "button" module to prevent ACPI shutdown

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dewman:

hehe

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sphery:

(though I suppose you could actually do a proper acpi event handler)

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dewman:

sphery, You know, i never thought about that....The only thing it has is the power-button on the front. (dell sc420) I know...Rather old, but it works

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sphery:

yeah, I took the easy way out and just blacklisted the module rather than write a proper acpi event handler script

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sphery:

Oh, and with that approach, you also need to verify the bios is set to use "software" power button (and not do a hard shutdown--i.e. the 4s shutdown or whatever)

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dewman:

its a dell, so I doubt thats an option.....But i never checked...

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sphery:

yeah--even if it's not an option, as long as when you hit the power button it does a "proper" shutdown (rather than just cutting power immediately), you're all set

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dewman:

that it does do....(power down correctly) I suppose I could just pull the mb cable....

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dewman:

then all I would need to worry about is the kiddos putting peaches in the dvd burner.

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dewman:

so back to a topic i "thought" I had figured out.....Is there a way to see what would be deleted in the upcoming autoexpire run? I did look at ticket #7936 which does help a little. But I am kinda curious as to what will be deleted next in the upcoming runs. Or is that something that cant be done?

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sphery:

what's deleted depends entirely on which file system your next recording starts

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sphery:

as we only delete recordings that exist on that file system--so we'll skip all those before it in the list from: mythbackend --printexpire

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sphery:

(You do know about mythbackend --printexpire , right? And the similar list in mythfrontend's System Status screen?)

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dewman:

Uhh...No i dont....

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dewman:

I guess I need to go read up on it

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sphery:

just do a mythbackend --printexpire while the backend is running and it will show you which shows will expire and in the "preferred" order--but remember we'll skip those recordings on file systems other than the one to which we're recording.

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sphery:

or go to Utilities/Setup|Information|System Status (I /think/ that's where it is)

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marsilainen:

haha, from "101 Romantic Gestures": 36. Put the toilet seat down (let her know you did it for her)

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marsilainen:

sorry, OT

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sphery:

heh

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