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| [01:08:36] | ** wagnerrp wonders what is going to happen with him forcing Barry Fawthrop to use digital rather than analog ** | |
| [01:09:04] | wagnerrp: | i expect this will not end well |
| [01:25:20] | wagnerrp: | HAHAHAHAHAHAHA |
| [01:25:50] | wagnerrp: | Saul Peebsen, you amazing fool |
| [01:26:04] | wagnerrp: | he just top-posted instructions on how to not top post |
| [01:41:33] | tank-man: | was it in html too :) |
| [01:42:26] | AlmightyOatmeal: | top post? |
| [01:42:49] | tank-man: | the placement of a reply in an email |
| [01:43:47] | AlmightyOatmeal: | there is something wrong with top posting? |
| [01:50:27] | tank-man: | some people don't like it cause its hard to read the emails in the later part of the conversation |
| [01:51:48] | wagnerrp: | AlmightyOatmeal: do you see where sequential responses show up in IRC? |
| [01:51:51] | wagnerrp: | on the bottom? |
| [01:52:08] | wagnerrp: | if youre having an on-going conversation with someone, that simply makes sense to put them there |
| [01:52:13] | wagnerrp: | since people read top to bottom |
| [01:52:21] | wagnerrp: | same things with emails |
| [01:52:40] | AlmightyOatmeal: | wagnerrp: yes, top to bottom. newer messages on top and older on the bottom |
| [01:52:42] | wagnerrp: | you read top to bottom, so if you want to give context to your response, you put the original message before yours |
| [01:53:02] | AlmightyOatmeal: | i personally disagree :) |
| [01:53:24] | wagnerrp: | well... mailing list rules is rules :P |
| [01:53:47] | wagnerrp: | in any case, he told the other guy not to top post... by top posting |
| [01:53:56] | AlmightyOatmeal: | ironicly entertaining |
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| [02:49:50] | k-man: | can a theme inherit a window from default, and add some changes in the inherited instance? |
| [03:11:27] | ** Beirdo goes back to geotagging old pics ** | |
| [03:11:53] | wagnerrp: | but, then the government will be able to track you |
| [03:16:45] | k-man: | can themes use otf fonts? |
| [03:17:08] | Beirdo: | heh, they can track where I was in Salzburg 10 years ago? Like I care :) |
| [03:17:47] | Beirdo: | the ones giving me the biggest issue is the mountain shots |
| [03:17:50] | wagnerrp: | there was an al queda meeting at that restaurant in salzburg that night |
| [03:17:57] | wagnerrp: | and all this time spent in puerto rico? |
| [03:18:01] | wagnerrp: | you must be a terrorist |
| [03:18:20] | wagnerrp: | hey! i was in salzburg ~14 years ago |
| [03:18:44] | wagnerrp: | did you go in the castle in the center of town? |
| [03:18:48] | Beirdo: | yup |
| [03:18:53] | Beirdo: | we walked to it |
| [03:19:11] | wagnerrp: | did you get those little talking personal tour guides? |
| [03:19:14] | Beirdo: | went up the elevator to Monschberg and walked over |
| [03:19:33] | Beirdo: | no, we took the Sound of Music bus tour first though |
| [03:19:40] | wagnerrp: | ah |
| [03:19:46] | wagnerrp: | i accidentally dropped mine off the ramparts |
| [03:19:54] | Beirdo: | hahaha :) |
| [03:19:56] | Beirdo: | oops |
| [03:20:02] | Beirdo: | a long way down |
| [03:20:21] | wagnerrp: | plastic, on stone at a slight angle |
| [03:20:27] | wagnerrp: | it slides amazingly well |
| [03:20:43] | wagnerrp: | we moved along... quickly... |
| [03:20:48] | Beirdo: | with a satisfying whizzing sound I bet |
| [03:21:08] | wagnerrp: | and an 'oh sh--' coming from a pack of 12yr olds |
| [03:21:22] | Beirdo: | yeah, I was there with a coworker on a day trip (Saturday) from Vienna by train |
| [03:22:08] | Beirdo: | a great place to visit :) |
| [03:22:37] | wagnerrp: | we only got to spend about half a day there, on our way between vienna and munich |
| [03:23:03] | Beirdo: | yeah. Dang were we close to Germany |
| [03:23:22] | Beirdo: | not much wonder that Hitler entered Austria (his homeland) there |
| [03:23:49] | Beirdo: | he was born and raised right outside of town... at Salzburg |
| [03:24:38] | Beirdo: | Hmm, might need Google Earth to find this shot |
| [03:24:50] | wagnerrp: | we picked up bikes in Munich, and then dropped them off about 600mi later in Heidelburg |
| [03:30:04] | Beirdo: | ahhh that one's Gaisberg |
| [03:34:18] | wagnerrp: | im a bit disappointed |
| [03:34:50] | wagnerrp: | still no response to my 'how did you encode that <tvshow>.S02E01.720p.HDTV.x264.mkv' |
| [03:35:15] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [03:35:30] | Beirdo: | should just tell him that < and > are not allowed in filenames |
| [03:37:35] | wagnerrp: | he literally has that as the name |
| [03:37:43] | wagnerrp: | which almost certainly means he altered his logs |
| [03:38:06] | wagnerrp: | in any case, he didnt post the full logs, and hes clearly using pirated content |
| [03:38:10] | wagnerrp: | so im just being an ass |
| [03:40:31] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [03:40:40] | Beirdo: | I know, I saw his "logs" |
| [03:40:42] | Beirdo: | heh. |
| [03:41:09] | wagnerrp: | so i gave him one option that 'he encoded it wrong', and two more that his computer is a POS |
| [03:41:28] | Beirdo: | ahhhh, that one's Untersberg |
| [03:41:56] | Beirdo: | yeah, I think between the two, you've got it covered |
| [03:43:49] | Beirdo: | visual identification of mountains is tricky |
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| [04:00:05] | Beirdo: | I wish with geotagging you could put... I was standing about here, and aiming here |
| [04:02:14] | Beirdo: | the nice thing is, I still kinda recall where we walked, which bridges we crossed, etc |
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| [04:29:20] | branden__: | Anyone have a guide for setting up mythtv under slackware |
| [04:30:31] | [R]: | mythtv has documentation on how to use it |
| [04:30:37] | [R]: | dist isn't relevant |
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| [04:33:28] | branden__: | oh |
| [04:34:35] | oobe: | yes there is distribution specific guides on the mythtv wiki branden__ |
| [04:34:44] | oobe: | I have given you links to them before too |
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| [04:47:55] | branden__: | my bad |
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| [05:33:31] | wagnerrp: | back in your box i see... |
| [05:33:59] | [R]: | haha |
| [05:34:14] | [R]: | i told some friends i need a logo |
| [05:34:21] | [R]: | a stylized R in a 3d box |
| [05:34:59] | wagnerrp: | http://www.math.oregonstate.edu/home/programs . . . trip/box.gif |
| [05:35:26] | [R]: | ROFL |
| [05:35:34] | [R]: | that fails to meet the "stylized" requirement |
| [05:37:35] | wagnerrp: | http://operatorchan.org/r/src/r18856_r18855_4 . . . of-rapes.jpg |
| [05:37:39] | wagnerrp: | theres an 'r' on the box |
| [05:37:42] | wagnerrp: | and a smiley face |
| [05:38:29] | [R]: | haha |
| [05:38:46] | [R]: | what is it supposed to be? |
| [05:39:25] | wagnerrp: | who cares, weve got mongolian death worms |
| [05:39:28] | wagnerrp: | http://www.trendmoviebox.com/wp-content/uploa . . . .-Monroe.jpg |
| [05:39:42] | wagnerrp: | theyre always tearing down my chitty wall! |
| [05:42:06] | wagnerrp: | i bet you would feel a lot better if you had some bling |
| [05:42:14] | wagnerrp: | http://www.vaeldesigns.com/products/images/RU . . . e-silver.jpg |
| [05:42:14] | [R]: | i have a gold necklace |
| [05:42:27] | [R]: | it doenst have an R on it though |
| [05:42:41] | [R]: | i would hate having 2 though, they would get tangled |
| [05:42:55] | wagnerrp: | thats why you need like 40 |
| [05:43:05] | wagnerrp: | then you could pity people for being fools |
| [05:43:53] | [R]: | lol |
| [05:44:09] | [R]: | at my work, when you forget your badge you need to get one that has a T on it |
| [05:44:22] | [R]: | anytime i get it, i always say "i pitty the fool" |
| [05:44:35] | [R]: | or anytime someoen else has it i'm like "so your mr t today?" |
| [05:44:56] | wagnerrp: | you need to remember to bring along marker just in case |
| [05:46:12] | wagnerrp: | the R (300) box... http://rocky.digikey.com/weblib/Serpac/Web%20 . . . MLL%20GM.jpg |
| [05:46:33] | [R]: | haha |
| [05:48:03] | wagnerrp: | the type r box... http://image.dhgate.com/upload/20107/8/ff8080 . . . 36946144.jpg |
| [05:48:06] | wagnerrp: | ... of tissues |
| [05:49:02] | wagnerrp: | the stickers make the snot fly out of your nose 10mph faster |
| [05:50:49] | wagnerrp: | score! http://www.boxrranch.com/ |
| [05:53:54] | wagnerrp: | [R]: is this you? http://sumac-enterprises.net/images/Old%20West%20Festival4.jpg |
| [05:54:39] | [R]: | i'm not that fat... |
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| [08:50:12] | NoFear-TN: | where can i find the supported tv tuner card? pls |
| [08:54:36] | AndyCap: | NoFear-TN: on te linuxtv wiki. but what type of tv signal do you have? |
| [08:55:16] | stuartm: | Terrestrial, Cable, Satellite? US or UK? |
| [08:56:15] | NoFear-TN: | terr |
| [08:56:57] | NoFear-TN: | i got a usb which seems wont work on linux |
| [08:57:18] | NoFear-TN: | cheap one |
| [08:57:45] | stuartm: | analogue or digital? |
| [08:58:23] | NoFear-TN: | analogue |
| [08:58:24] | AndyCap: | I see UAE had dvb trials in 2007, are you all-digital now? |
| [08:58:29] | AndyCap: | dvb-t |
| [08:58:29] | stuartm: | by the look of it UAE uses DVB? |
| [08:59:00] | NoFear-TN: | we have all now even iptv |
| [08:59:41] | stuartm: | http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/DVB-T_Devices |
| [09:00:08] | NoFear-TN: | thanks i will take a look |
| [09:00:28] | NoFear-TN: | no way to get this crap box working ? |
| [09:00:30] | AndyCap: | NoFear-TN: what device did you have? |
| [09:00:46] | NoFear-TN: | i will pastebin it |
| [09:01:38] | NoFear-TN: | http://pastebin.com/1FDy9JtJ |
| [09:03:06] | AndyCap: | NoFear-TN: perhaps later http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Trident_TM6000 |
| [09:03:50] | NoFear-TN: | have they created iptv card so we can watch in mythtv instead of stb |
| [09:03:50] | AndyCap: | NoFear-TN: does not sound like a quality product, so perhaps best to forget about it |
| [09:04:27] | NoFear-TN: | i will |
| [09:04:34] | AndyCap: | NoFear-TN: that would be your network card, if they don't use encryption or otherwise stop you from viewing it with other equipment |
| [09:05:19] | AndyCap: | NoFear-TN: so that depends more on your provider. Not sure if mythtv works with iptv though, I'm sure someone else here does |
| [09:05:35] | NoFear-TN: | so i will by another net card as its on separate network but i dont think its easy |
| [09:05:48] | NoFear-TN: | they give us ip like 10.ect |
| [09:06:45] | NoFear-TN: | which app can assist on ubuntu |
| [09:07:14] | NoFear-TN: | to view iptv |
| [09:07:47] | AndyCap: | don't know really, vlc is probably a good start |
| [09:09:22] | NoFear-TN: | thanks guys for your time |
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| [09:33:05] | stuartm: | we have some iptv support, but it all depends on broadcasters following the same standard |
| [09:33:24] | stuartm: | we've supported iptv for years |
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| [11:17:16] | wagnerrp: | hehe... seems someone finally called warpme out on his horrible threading practices |
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| [11:44:33] | stuartm: | email threading ... for a second I thought an external cause for his mysql deadlocks had been found |
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| [12:30:46] | k-man: | any what backgroundwindow is in a theme? MythCenter seems to declare it but I can't see it used anywhere |
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| [12:58:26] | stuartm: | k-man: it's what appears behind everything else, e.g. if you don't supply a background to a window you will see backgroundwindow – it's most useful if you want to keep the same background and features visible throughout |
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| [12:58:36] | nidhoegger: | hi |
| [12:58:54] | stuartm: | i.e. in Terra it's where the clock is found |
| [12:58:56] | nidhoegger: | is there a mythtv gentoo overlay? or some ebuilds? i dont want to user 0.23 |
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| [13:22:03] | k-man: | stuartm, ah, thanks |
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| [14:05:13] | rileyp: | does irsend work with the mceusb in newer kernels (natty) as I cant seem to get my led to flash |
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| [14:19:57] | wagnerrp: | nidhoegger: yes, there is a gentoo overlay available in the packaging repository on github |
| [14:32:36] | sphery: | FWIW, https://github.com/MythTV/packaging |
| [14:44:04] | wagnerrp: | nidhoegger: note that we are currently working with the gentoo maintainer to get newer packages pushed upstream |
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| [16:07:58] | cleith: | hello |
| [16:08:02] | cleith: | anyone around today? |
| [16:08:29] | cleith: | Just wondering how/if mythtv works with gnome 3 shell (for ex in fedora 15)? |
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| [16:17:28] | AlmightyOatmeal: | cleith: mythtv is just an application that runs, why wouldn't it work? |
| [16:19:21] | cleith: | well, I believe gnome 3 requires/expects XCOMPOSITE like compiz, and I didn't think mythtv likes that |
| [16:20:43] | AlmightyOatmeal: | if you intend to use features of compiz to do ridiculously retarded things with your x server then no, it may not be happy, but otherwise it should run fine |
| [16:21:23] | cleith: | I like some features, like menu shadowing, nothing crazy though. |
| [16:22:14] | cleith: | Anyway, I don't think one uses compiz with gnome 3 shell, but because it is similar (and becoming the default for fedora 15), just wondered how this will play with mythtv? |
| [16:22:38] | AlmightyOatmeal: | i'm not a fan of all that fun stuff, whats the point? i mean really? serves no purpose except to consume resources.. give me a fluxbox WM and i'm happy |
| [16:22:42] | AlmightyOatmeal: | cleith: try it. |
| [16:23:36] | cleith: | Trying it requires upgrading an potentially losing a decently working setup, so thought I would ask first. |
| [16:24:08] | AlmightyOatmeal: | cleith: if you ever have to mutter a phrase like that maybe your distro sucks. switch to freebsd, it just f'ing works. |
| [16:24:22] | AlmightyOatmeal: | and it's unix, so you'll be cool |
| [16:26:09] | ThisNewGuy: | hey all – is a patch that adds isGeneric to ProgramInfo likely to get accepted (based on the field in the recordedprograms table)? |
| [16:26:30] | wagnerrp: | AlmightyOatmeal: i think there is worth running a UI through opengl, rather than some blitting engine |
| [16:27:03] | AlmightyOatmeal: | wagnerrp: pfft :P |
| [16:27:14] | AlmightyOatmeal: | wagnerrp: porn is going to look the same either direction |
| [16:27:37] | wagnerrp: | ill be the first person to point and laugh at someone putting their desktops on a spinning cube |
| [16:28:00] | AlmightyOatmeal: | i second that |
| [16:28:08] | wagnerrp: | but what about things like OSX does, where applications can be dynamically scaled and tiled |
| [16:28:14] | wagnerrp: | or virtual desktops can be tiled |
| [16:28:21] | wagnerrp: | you can do the same thing with a software blitter |
| [16:28:27] | wagnerrp: | but its going to be much much slower |
| [16:28:40] | AlmightyOatmeal: | what purpose does it serve except eye candy and wasted cpu cycles? |
| [16:28:55] | wagnerrp: | well, its GPU cycles, not CPU cycles |
| [16:29:00] | wagnerrp: | you use fluxbox |
| [16:29:03] | AlmightyOatmeal: | i could be using those cpu cycles for compiling or transcoding home made pr0n |
| [16:29:13] | wagnerrp: | lets say you middle click the tab for a window |
| [16:29:13] | AlmightyOatmeal: | GPU cycles if you have CUDA support... |
| [16:29:28] | AlmightyOatmeal: | otherwise that's all CPU |
| [16:29:34] | wagnerrp: | it explodes all the tabs currently bound to that window |
| [16:29:41] | wagnerrp: | letting you graphically select which one you want |
| [16:29:49] | wagnerrp: | rather than having to remember which tab it is |
| [16:30:00] | wagnerrp: | or read the title and guess between multiple applications of the same name |
| [16:30:16] | AlmightyOatmeal: | i've never had that problem? |
| [16:30:39] | wagnerrp: | im not going to say its for everyone |
| [16:30:42] | wagnerrp: | but it has its utilities |
| [16:31:00] | wagnerrp: | and such an operation would be completely trivial to even a low end embedded graphics chip |
| [16:31:32] | AlmightyOatmeal: | i don't understand the purpose when a problem doesn't exist for windowing, there are taskbars and window lists |
| [16:32:37] | cleith: | later |
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| [16:32:52] | wagnerrp: | im saying its all text based |
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| [16:33:06] | wagnerrp: | when you have a big high resolution display |
| [16:33:19] | wagnerrp: | which bring up a small text list of your available open windows |
| [16:33:34] | wagnerrp: | when you can bring up a dynamic screen shot of each open window |
| [16:33:40] | wagnerrp: | s/which/why/ |
| [16:34:13] | AlmightyOatmeal: | true |
| [16:34:25] | AlmightyOatmeal: | that particular feature is of no interest to me :) |
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| [16:34:32] | wagnerrp: | fair enough |
| [16:34:56] | wagnerrp: | and anyone using a tiling window manager like xmonad or awesome would scoff at the entire concept |
| [16:35:10] | AlmightyOatmeal: | hehe |
| [16:35:38] | wagnerrp: | but just because some people show off some really retarded flashy things like the rotating cube |
| [16:35:47] | wagnerrp: | doesnt mean the whole thing should simply be written off |
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| [16:37:03] | AlmightyOatmeal: | agreed, but that won't stop me from injecting my opinion of how ridiculous it is :) |
| [16:40:05] | wagnerrp: | what about something like handling text? |
| [16:40:26] | wagnerrp: | you could waste CPU cycles running antialiasing and subpixel rendering in the CPU |
| [16:40:42] | wagnerrp: | or you could load basic high resolution fonts into the graphics memory |
| [16:40:55] | wagnerrp: | and run a shader program to render the text to whatever size you want |
| [16:41:01] | wagnerrp: | leaving the CPU idle to do other tasks |
| [16:41:08] | AlmightyOatmeal: | damn your logic |
| [16:41:13] | AlmightyOatmeal: | that makes sense :( |
| [16:41:41] | wagnerrp: | i dont know about you, but watching text scroll by in a terminal sucks down the CPU on my laptop |
| [16:42:14] | AlmightyOatmeal: | not really so much as long as i'm not using vesa or framebuffer |
| [16:42:42] | wagnerrp: | well, that may just be severe deficiencies in the rage128 Xorg driver |
| [16:43:00] | wagnerrp: | it probably isnt much different than running vesa or framebuffer |
| [16:45:29] | sphery: | heh, tell that to all the people who are complaining about Firefox Panorama |
| [16:46:58] | AlmightyOatmeal: | :P |
| [16:52:48] | wagnerrp: | panorama? |
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| [16:54:39] | wagnerrp: | sphery: well the only problem i see with that is you need a supercomputer to open a couple dozen tabs in firefox |
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| [17:09:02] | wagnerrp: | sphery: any thoughts on reworking the playback profiles to make opengl the default, with xv as a fallback or 'GPU--' profile? |
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| [17:17:28] | sphery: | wagnerrp: I'd be for it, except for the fact that I feel it's a waste of effort fixing the bug in the Qt setup UI that makes it so the profile we specify as selected by default doesn't get selected by default. |
| [17:17:42] | sphery: | changing it in the new http setup makes sense, though |
| [17:18:21] | stuartm: | but it's a frontend setting? |
| [17:18:37] | sphery: | ah, yeah |
| [17:18:53] | sphery: | ok, chaning it in the not-yet-created mythui setup makes sense, though :) |
| [17:19:29] | sphery: | default is currently set to Normal--and it will be the default just because it's first in the list |
| [17:20:05] | sphery: | or is it first |
| [17:22:04] | sphery: | actually looks like High Quality is first in list |
| [17:24:21] | wagnerrp: | so what is this 'tungsten graphics'? |
| [17:24:57] | wagnerrp: | wait... is this guy using VMWare? |
| [17:25:39] | sphery: | wagnerrp: also, did you see why got the reason why warpme's e-mails are so borked ( http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/487519#487519 with translation at http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/487531#487531 ). |
| [17:26:00] | wagnerrp: | yeah, because hes manually replying to emails he finds on gossamer |
| [17:26:05] | wagnerrp: | WTF |
| [17:26:10] | sphery: | He's reading the list at gossamer, then when he finds a message he wants to "reply" to, he creates a new message in his mail client and copies the subject |
| [17:26:17] | sphery: | yeah, crazy |
| [17:27:05] | sphery: | wagnerrp: or embedded? http://www.pressrelease365.com/pr/technology/ . . . orm-2303.htm |
| [17:28:04] | sphery: | or gallium 3d? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gallium_3D |
| [17:28:36] | wagnerrp: | so tungsten now writes intel's graphics drivers? |
| [17:29:38] | sphery: | well, that was Apr 2008, so not sure what's now |
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| [17:30:02] | sphery: | but it sounded to me like they were doing custom dev for certain embedded devices using atom + intel graphics |
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| [17:31:53] | sphery: | wagnerrp: OK, a /very/ worthwhile change would be to create an example OpenGL Playback Profile group(s). Seems we only have Xv-based (High Quality, Normal, Slim) + VDPAU (VDPAU High Quality, VDPAU Normal, VDPAU Slim). |
| [17:33:02] | wagnerrp: | IMHO, we should only have one Xv based one |
| [17:33:06] | sphery: | Basically would just require a) deciding what default profile groups to include for OpenGL and what profiles to use for each group (the hard part), then add VideoDisplayProfile::CreateOpenGLProfiles() and call it from https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/blob/master/ . . . le.cpp#L1101 |
| [17:33:20] | wagnerrp: | but have a couple opengl based ones, based off GPU performance and deinterlacers, similar to VDPAU |
| [17:33:45] | sphery: | I can add it if someone has a good idea of what to use (for all the profiles) and how many profile groups to create |
| [17:34:00] | sphery: | I agree that having 3x Xv ones is not ideal |
| [17:34:22] | sphery: | We should have "Slim" (and rename it "Legacy" or something--to start getting the message out to users :) |
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| [17:34:58] | wagnerrp: | my only concern is how will this disrupt people's hand configured playback profiles? |
| [17:35:10] | sphery: | I'd be happy to make that change (update DB to remove Normal and High Quality (unless they're selected) and modify Slim to be Legacy (and update DB to use the new name) |
| [17:35:22] | wagnerrp: | considering the dialog does not allow users to create new ones |
| [17:35:38] | sphery: | it does... just requires a knowledge of exactly how to work around the bugs |
| [17:35:42] | sphery: | :) |
| [17:35:57] | sphery: | all of mine are custom ones that I created (with some pain) using the broken editor |
| [17:36:12] | wagnerrp: | well, you can create new ones, you just cant select them for use in the editor |
| [17:36:18] | sphery: | yes you can |
| [17:36:30] | sphery: | just requires about 10 trips through the Playback settings |
| [17:36:37] | wagnerrp: | oh? i recall last time i tried, it proceeded to use the previous one |
| [17:36:39] | wagnerrp: | ah |
| [17:37:43] | sphery: | step 1) create new group, next, next, next... finish. step 2) go back to screen, select new group, create new profile within group, next, next, next ... finish, step 3) repeat step 2 as desired for all profiles within group |
| [17:38:13] | sphery: | it's all the same bug--and it's all due to the way we create an populate the widget |
| [17:38:38] | wagnerrp: | i thought we got rid of CPU++ |
| [17:38:39] | sphery: | so it's purely within the "dead" code--which is why I kept losing interest when I looked into fixing it |
| [17:38:45] | sphery: | we did get rid of it |
| [17:38:50] | sphery: | shouldn't be in your DB |
| [17:39:06] | wagnerrp: | meaning if the user is using it, its somehow carried over from an old database |
| [17:39:07] | sphery: | (those I deleted--even if they were selected) |
| [17:39:19] | wagnerrp: | and is now one of these orphaned playback groups that doesnt work properly? |
| [17:39:36] | sphery: | it's gone from master |
| [17:39:40] | sphery: | it's still in 0.24+ |
| [17:39:43] | wagnerrp: | and 0.24? |
| [17:39:45] | wagnerrp: | ah |
| [17:39:46] | sphery: | er, 0.24- |
| [17:39:54] | sphery: | so 0.24 and below have it |
| [17:40:12] | sphery: | when trying to shorten typing takes significantly more typing... |
| [17:40:26] | wagnerrp: | so any idea why the user could have cpu++ set to use opengl |
| [17:40:33] | wagnerrp: | but instead its trying to initialize vdpau? |
| [17:40:50] | sphery: | because 99.9999999999% of users edit the example profiles instead of creating their own ones to mess up |
| [17:41:11] | sphery: | let me look at that log |
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| [17:42:47] | sphery: | my guess is that it's a *buntu build with xvmc disabled through a hack (because xvmc crashes X) and he's actually using CPU+ (not CPU++) and it's a borked profile so it's doing some fallback stuff through untested approaches because of the lack of xvmc? |
| [17:43:10] | sphery: | the actual answer is in the "..." lines :) |
| [17:44:20] | sphery: | I'd need a full log (without user interpreation :) to figure out exactly what's happening |
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| [18:48:31] | stuartm: | of course users edit the built-in profiles instead of creating new ones, because we made the built-in profiles editable |
| [18:48:48] | stuartm: | and the UI sucks |
| [18:50:12] | wagnerrp: | sphery: did you see the pastebin of that guys logs |
| [18:51:30] | wagnerrp: | this doesnt look good... 'application asked to unregister timer 0x0 which is not registered in this thread. fix application.' |
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| [18:52:50] | stuartm: | wagnerrp: already fixed |
| [18:53:36] | stuartm: | 24 hours ago |
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| [18:54:16] | wagnerrp: | one of the database deadlocks? |
| [18:55:06] | stuartm: | completely unrelated |
| [18:55:24] | stuartm: | the warning was more or less harmless |
| [18:58:32] | stuartm: | although 0x0 suggests it's not the same one I fixed ... it's still harmless, QT warns about it but all it means is that KillTimer() was called on an invalid ID, either because we already killed the timer or as in this case we called it for a timer which hadn't been created |
| [19:00:13] | sphery: | wagnerrp: we really out to log a message saying which profile group was configured |
| [19:00:29] | sphery: | stuartm: yeah, the UI for the editor, er, isn't ideal |
| [19:00:47] | sphery: | I'm sure once it's mythui'ed, it will be much nicer |
| [19:01:34] | wagnerrp: | sphery: i could whip up a little python script to grab and format that information |
| [19:01:49] | wagnerrp: | maybe pull the audio profile as well |
| [19:02:07] | wagnerrp: | same kind of stuff we now pull for smolt, but intended for debugging assistance |
| [19:03:09] | sphery: | which info? the playback profile info? It's possible to get the current config with SQL: http://misc.thirdcontact.com/MythTV/Recording . . . Tab-flat.sql |
| [19:03:35] | sphery: | well, that shows configured profile groups and their profiles |
| [19:03:50] | sphery: | but which one is specified is just a settings query |
| [19:04:54] | sphery: | select * from settings where value = 'DefaultVideoPlaybackProfile'; |
| [19:05:26] | wagnerrp: | i was going to say, that looks awfully like transcoder settings |
| [19:05:34] | sphery: | oops, that's recording profiles |
| [19:05:50] | wagnerrp: | i mean... not playback profiles |
| [19:05:55] | sphery: | http://misc.thirdcontact.com/MythTV/PlaybackP . . . Tab-flat.sql is playback |
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| [19:06:40] | sphery: | yeah, those SQL filenames are too close, so I grabbed the wrong one |
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| [19:08:56] | sphery: | So, "2011-07–30 11:35:18.505 VDP: Accepting: cmp(> 0 0,< 0 0) ..." seems wrong |
| [19:09:14] | sphery: | does he really have a profile set up with comparisons > 0x0 /and/ < 0x0 ? |
| [19:09:33] | sphery: | I'm thinking he just set it up so that none match, so it falls back to default |
| [19:09:47] | sphery: | just needs to delete the extra comparison of < 0 0 |
| [19:10:37] | sphery: | either that or our logging is worse than I'd imagine |
| [19:11:18] | sphery: | though it does do: 2011-07–30 11:35:19.495 VDP: SetVideoRenderer(vdpau) |
| [19:11:33] | sphery: | I'm going to ask him for output of that SQL |
| [19:14:06] | wagnerrp: | does variable substitution not work in EOF blocks? |
| [19:14:33] | sphery: | it does if you don't enclose the eof marker of the here doc in "" |
| [19:14:43] | sphery: | so cat << EOF ... |
| [19:15:54] | sphery: | I generally put quotes if I don't need vars just for additional safety |
| [19:16:26] | wagnerrp: | then personally, i like this one better... http://pastebin.com/bXNAgC50 |
| [19:16:48] | sphery: | that works, too :) |
| [19:17:02] | wagnerrp: | although id really like it to be in properly aligned columns |
| [19:17:21] | sphery: | you mean swap the \G for a ; ? |
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| [19:18:02] | jams: | any thoughts on why \G was selected for that option? |
| [19:18:03] | wagnerrp: | no |
| [19:18:06] | wagnerrp: | that gives columns |
| [19:18:10] | wagnerrp: | but theyre not properly aligned |
| [19:18:23] | sphery: | jams: because it's too wide to paste the output in an e-mail if you use columns |
| [19:18:31] | sphery: | wagnerrp: please define "properly aligned" |
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| [19:18:33] | jams: | no why \G |
| [19:18:54] | jams: | instead of \X for expanded or somehting like that |
| [19:19:51] | wagnerrp: | sphery: this is not properly aligned... http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=3sTy500z |
| [19:20:02] | sphery: | oh, you mean, "Why did MySQL devs choose to use \G for the indicator?" |
| [19:20:07] | jams: | yes |
| [19:21:58] | sphery: | wagnerrp: broken MySQL? http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=C2N3UUfS |
| [19:22:26] | sphery: | granted, mine was without your changes |
| [19:22:40] | wagnerrp: | it works fine if i run it in mysql directly |
| [19:22:56] | wagnerrp: | but that is what i get if i have mysql spit it out to the terminal |
| [19:23:24] | wagnerrp: | s/directly/interactively/ |
| [19:23:51] | sphery: | ah, yeah |
| [19:23:56] | sphery: | because it uses tabs in batch mode |
| [19:24:08] | sphery: | and the old "tabs are meaningless" issue comes up |
| [19:24:09] | wagnerrp: | right |
| [19:24:19] | wagnerrp: | id really like it to be in properly aligned columns |
| [19:24:29] | wagnerrp: | :) |
| [19:25:00] | sphery: | wagnerrp: add --table |
| [19:25:08] | sphery: | (to mysql invocation) |
| [19:25:40] | wagnerrp: | ah, that did it |
| [19:25:52] | sphery: | (or -t) |
| [19:26:21] | sphery: | this is the whole, "Don't show different behaviors depending on the output device" that GNU coding standards also suggest |
| [19:26:44] | sphery: | it's defaulting to --batch (= not --table) when using the redirect |
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| [19:28:39] | wagnerrp: | of note, it would seem the whole HOSTNAME thing is doing absolutely nothing |
| [19:30:05] | sphery: | which part is dong nothing? |
| [19:30:16] | wagnerrp: | the whole thing |
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| [19:30:18] | sphery: | it's definitely showing only the stuff for my current host on my system |
| [19:30:26] | wagnerrp: | HOSTNAME is already in the environment |
| [19:30:29] | sphery: | at least with http://pastebin.com/bXNAgC50 |
| [19:30:37] | wagnerrp: | and that bit at the beginning does nothing to change that |
| [19:30:41] | sphery: | ah, the "use hosname command to find hostname" |
| [19:30:55] | sphery: | yeah, it's there, but not necessarily the same as we use |
| [19:31:01] | sphery: | hostname command should output the same |
| [19:31:11] | sphery: | so make it MYHOST=`hostname` or similar? |
| [19:31:18] | wagnerrp: | yes, but if i defined it to say 'myth0', it does nothing |
| [19:31:24] | wagnerrp: | if i have it use HN instead, it does nothing |
| [19:33:14] | GrahamIRC: | Hi! Does anyone know how the "copy" plugin on ALSA works? |
| [19:33:25] | justinh: | the folks in #alsa might |
| [19:33:34] | justinh: | try there! |
| [19:34:10] | GrahamIRC: | thanks, just thought I'd try the gurus here – trying to send my myth output to two devices at once |
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| [19:34:39] | sphery: | wagnerrp: this one works for me: http://pastebin.com/T3hmT5d3 |
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| [19:53:05] | ^Ocean^: | Is it possible to have mythtv running on a channel, and every half hour, play a comercial file off my hard drive, then switch back to what ever channel i was set at ? |
| [19:54:10] | wagnerrp: | no, why would you want to? |
| [19:54:13] | [R]: | lol |
| [19:54:57] | ^Ocean^: | wagnerrp: I havea office with a TV in the reception area, and we want to be able to show a little blurp about our office every half hour or so, and then switch back to the cable TV brodcast |
| [19:55:24] | wagnerrp: | recorded TV can use playlists |
| [19:55:31] | wagnerrp: | but they must be defined at the start of playback |
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| [19:55:38] | wagnerrp: | so you couldnt dynamically add new shows in |
| [19:55:52] | wagnerrp: | the livetv chain is only designed to pull straight from recording on that tuner |
| [19:56:06] | wagnerrp: | you would have to hack it up quite a bit to insert new segments |
| [19:56:25] | wagnerrp: | you could use the frontend control socket to externally manage playback |
| [19:56:35] | wagnerrp: | monitor it for the end of playback of a recording |
| [19:56:39] | wagnerrp: | insert your blurb |
| [19:56:43] | wagnerrp: | and go back to the next show |
| [19:56:51] | ^Ocean^: | yeah that would just be a simple playlist |
| [19:57:16] | wagnerrp: | but you can only use playlists with pre-existing content |
| [19:57:28] | ^Ocean^: | we where looking for a way to intrupt the current live stream, play are blurb then switch back to the live stream |
| [19:57:28] | wagnerrp: | you couldnt add a new recording into an in-progress playlist |
| [19:57:37] | ^Ocean^: | ahh |
| [19:57:41] | wagnerrp: | meaning you cannot use playlists with live streams |
| [19:57:53] | wagnerrp: | or with content recorded after playback of the playlist was started |
| [19:58:09] | sphery: | wagnerrp: so, it was the > 0 0, < 0 0 |
| [19:58:21] | sphery: | sent a reply |
| [19:58:28] | ^Ocean^: | hmmm, well guess off to do some more searching on software to do it... |
| [19:58:38] | sphery: | thanks for getting started on the debugging (and collecing info from him) |
| [19:59:17] | wagnerrp: | crap, the whole side of my burrito split open |
| [19:59:27] | ^Ocean^: | I wonder if i could just have VLC playing the TV channel, have a cron job to pause the pid, open up another instance of VLC play the clip, then resume the pid |
| [19:59:49] | sphery: | like a Taun Taun on Tatooine |
| [20:00:39] | wagnerrp: | except it smells and tastes better |
| [20:00:45] | wagnerrp: | and im not going to climb inside it to sleep |
| [20:01:02] | sphery: | you say that now, but when the ice age hits... |
| [20:02:07] | wagnerrp: | in that case, all that delicious rice would do better as a lsyer of blubber |
| [20:02:27] | sphery: | heh |
| [20:03:19] | sphery: | guess it should have been, "Like a tauntaun on Hoth" |
| [20:03:28] | sphery: | not as much alliteration, though... :( |
| [20:04:34] | wagnerrp: | greater than zero AND less than zero? |
| [20:04:42] | wagnerrp: | the editor will actually let you do that? |
| [20:04:49] | sphery: | heh, yeah |
| [20:05:25] | wagnerrp: | so hes using opengl for nothing, and quartz for everything else |
| [20:05:27] | sphery: | 07.30 15:08:56 <+sphery> So, "2011-07–30 11:35:18.505 VDP: Accepting: cmp(> 0 0,< 0 0) ..." seems wrong |
| [20:05:30] | sphery: | 07.30 15:09:14 <+sphery> does he really have a profile set up with comparisons > 0x0 /and/ < 0x0 ? |
| [20:05:33] | sphery: | 07.30 15:09:33 <+sphery> I'm thinking he just set it up so that none match, so it falls back to default |
| [20:05:38] | sphery: | right |
| [20:05:45] | wagnerrp: | so mythtv is calling him an idiot for attempting quartz on linux |
| [20:05:53] | wagnerrp: | and falling through vdpau, and then xv |
| [20:05:54] | sphery: | meaning he had no valid profiles in the group, so it fell back to default |
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| [20:06:12] | sphery: | where default = ffmpeg, xv-blit, ... |
| [20:06:51] | wagnerrp: | we shouldnt be falling through |
| [20:06:54] | sphery: | as stuartm said, the editor isn't good |
| [20:07:05] | sphery: | yeah, failing out seems sensible to me |
| [20:07:11] | wagnerrp: | we need to just say 'your profile is bad, fix it' |
| [20:07:14] | sphery: | if the user configures garbage, tell him to fix it |
| [20:07:46] | stuartm: | see, that's the first place I'd simplify the video profile editor, forget the greater than or less than x/y resolutions, just allow SD/HD/Both |
| [20:07:49] | sphery: | that said, this particular garbage could be prevented if we had a real editor that was worth improving |
| [20:08:19] | sphery: | stuartm: makes sense to me--I think our playback profiles are a bit overkill in the customizability |
| [20:08:33] | sphery: | I've always just modified mine to > 0 0 as the only comparison |
| [20:08:37] | justinh: | a bit? heh ;-) |
| [20:08:52] | sphery: | but then again, I don't buy POS hardware that can't decode the video I choose to watch :) |
| [20:09:05] | sphery: | "Point of Sale", obviously |
| [20:09:09] | justinh: | if $DAY_of_week > 3 <5 AND resolution > X x Y ... |
| [20:09:21] | wagnerrp: | stuartm: i would say 'backup' rather than 'both' |
| [20:09:38] | sphery: | justinh: make sure you mod that one for 0.25, because we changed the weekday index to start with 1 ;) |
| [20:09:46] | justinh: | ha |
| [20:10:41] | wagnerrp: | well POS machines generally are old PsOS |
| [20:11:06] | sphery: | heh, "please share your config," "I just plugged it in and it worked" |
| [20:11:15] | sphery: | (as it should :) |
| [20:11:40] | wagnerrp: | more like... "i followed one of the many instances of mythtv setup documentation" |
| [20:11:58] | sphery: | yeah, he did mention going through mythtv-setup--which is likely the problem for the OP |
| [20:12:25] | justinh: | huh? I thought installing myth was like double clicking on a .deb file |
| [20:12:30] | justinh: | pretty sure it still is |
| [20:12:41] | sphery: | heh |
| [20:12:43] | justinh: | sorry, I'm from the future |
| [20:13:30] | sphery: | you're on MythTV 0.182709.1, right? |
| [20:14:00] | justinh: | no, it actually makes it to 1.223432 by my time. changes at the top |
| [20:14:23] | sphery: | ooh, wow |
| [20:14:44] | justinh: | most of the users stopped whining about a decade ago, so it was thought safe to call it 'stable-enough for 1.0' |
| [20:14:53] | sphery: | heh |
| [20:14:57] | GrahamIRC: | :-))) |
| [20:14:58] | sphery: | how many still use Xv? |
| [20:15:04] | sphery: | and frame grabbers? |
| [20:15:05] | justinh: | sphery: only clever |
| [20:15:09] | sphery: | heh |
| [20:15:18] | sphery: | he's probably still on a P2, right? |
| [20:15:27] | justinh: | and Dustybin is the CEO of Apple now |
| [20:15:34] | sphery: | wow |
| [20:15:50] | justinh: | they fell on hard times. everybody's rocking ubuntu smart devices now |
| [20:16:01] | sphery: | uPod |
| [20:16:27] | justinh: | although their new vacuum cleaner line may have to get a name change |
| [20:16:30] | justinh: | uSuck |
| [20:16:34] | sphery: | heh |
| [20:17:11] | sphery: | if nothing else, you've given me hope--that iThings won't rule forever |
| [20:17:30] | justinh: | heh |
| [20:17:38] | ** justinh puts down the pipe ** | |
| [20:17:51] | justinh: | I dunno who'd be worse – Apple or Google tbh |
| [20:18:35] | sphery: | yeah, that's the other side of the coin... I also fear that Android will rule--and confuse the world into thinking they're using "A truly open operating system" |
| [20:19:16] | justinh: | it's not really that for me. I just think it' |
| [20:19:21] | sphery: | Actually, I wouldn't have /any/ problems with Android if Google just didn't call it Open Source |
| [20:19:27] | justinh: | arghh – it'd be bad for any one company to be at the top |
| [20:19:46] | justinh: | er not just at the top but have the biggest majority |
| [20:19:46] | sphery: | yeah, I agree there |
| [20:19:56] | justinh: | monopoly.. |
| [20:21:39] | sphery: | especially when the 2 companies are driving technology back to the 1980's (before the world wide web gave us a means of accessing any (web) page, application, service, ... on the network with a single application (browser)--versus the Apple approach (copied by Google) of making you buy a separate app for each thing you want to see (and paying 30% off the top to Apple/Google)) |
| [20:21:44] | justinh: | kinda bored with G+ now. saw my first "paste this into your status..<guff>" post today. I blocked the person who put that in... won't be long til it's as bad as facebook. esp once the games arrive |
| [20:22:32] | sphery: | I registered for G+ using the name William Shatner, and they cancelled my account... |
| [20:22:49] | justinh: | yeah most apps aren't really doing much useful beyond accessing a feed through an API.. or (shudder) scraping |
| [20:23:08] | stuartm: | sphery: rofl |
| [20:23:13] | justinh: | and there's no filter on Android marketplace |
| [20:23:30] | sphery: | yeah--their main benefit is providing lock in |
| [20:23:34] | justinh: | finding apps is always a matter of knowing what you're looking for |
| [20:23:56] | justinh: | mind, it's a bit easier than apt in that regard ;) |
| [20:24:35] | justinh: | sphery: heheh what's with their insistence on plausible names anyway? |
| [20:25:20] | sphery: | yeah, good question... I have no idea why a company that's all about selling advertising would want to have good names to link to all the data they collect about a person. ;) |
| [20:25:43] | justinh: | yup |
| [20:25:55] | stuartm: | s/all about advertising/all about creepy/ |
| [20:26:00] | sphery: | that too |
| [20:26:21] | sphery: | hey, but Eric told us that only bad people want privacy |
| [20:26:21] | justinh: | but 20 years ago they said "don't be evil" so that's *good* right? |
| [20:26:51] | stuartm: | justinh: well if they said it, it must be true! |
| [20:26:59] | justinh: | I think people are heading to a bad place anyway. I don't see that many people getting worked up over what FB are doing/have done |
| [20:27:03] | justinh: | not really |
| [20:27:19] | justinh: | some IT journals/blogs said "oh noes! they got everything on by defaultz" |
| [20:27:32] | justinh: | most people just went "meh" |
| [20:27:39] | justinh: | if that |
| [20:27:53] | stuartm: | I mean my local MP said she cared about my opinions, I also believe that too |
| [20:29:35] | stuartm: | justinh: they've stripped our expectations of privacy so slowly that so many people these days don't even understand what the word means or why they need to be concerned that it's gone |
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| [20:42:23] | justinh: | aye true |
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| [22:55:15] | nidhoegger: | can anyone tell me how to set the mysql password for mythtv? |
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| [23:29:29] | k-man: | nidhoegger, you mean how to tell mythtv what the mysql pw is? |
| [23:31:00] | nidhoegger: | no |
| [23:31:04] | nidhoegger: | i want to use another PW |
| [23:31:04] | k-man: | nidhoegger, check /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt for the back end, and ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt for the frontend I think |
| [23:31:16] | k-man: | did you already change it in mysql? |
| [23:31:19] | nidhoegger: | yes |
| [23:31:26] | nidhoegger: | all efforts i tried were without effect |
| [23:31:29] | k-man: | yes, it is those two file I believe |
| [23:31:39] | nidhoegger: | thanky |
| [23:36:44] | wagnerrp: | k-man: no, ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt is for both |
| [23:36:54] | wagnerrp: | but some distors change the HOME in the environment to point elsewhere |
| [23:38:30] | wagnerrp: | nidhoegger: note that in order to change the password, you have to offer new credentials in mysql |
| [23:38:38] | wagnerrp: | which requires the root login |
| [23:43:28] | k-man: | wagnerrp, ah, /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt must be left over from when I used the .debs |
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| [23:50:51] | slacker-: | hi |
| [23:52:17] | slacker-: | I've included the mythbuntu repos in my sources. Since then I'm getting lots of packages updated almost every day |
| [23:52:30] | slacker-: | Is that the case or is something going wrong on my side |
| [23:53:22] | slacker-: | surely stuff like mythweb doesn't change every day |
| [23:53:32] | slacker-: | or the themes |
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