| Thursday, July 28th, 2011, 00:00 UTC | ||
| [00:00:06] | sphery: | ok, maybe not for deleted |
| [00:00:21] | sphery: | (faked it like I faked a live tv recording, and it wasn't an option in Change Group View) |
| [00:00:30] | skd5aner: | sphery: no worries... I just always wondered why "all programs" and "default" were the same, when there are more categories down there |
| [00:00:45] | _klk_: | wagnerrp: i see. i have noticed that there are a small number of blank frames between commercials in a break. so maybe it would be possible to use that to mark a region that you already know is a commercial? how hard would that be to do in the code? |
| [00:02:12] | sphery: | all programs is all programs, regardless of recgroup--except those in Deleted (and except those in Live TV, unless you tell it to include Live TV in All Programs) |
| [00:02:31] | sphery: | categories, however, are related to listings-provided, not-user-editable categories |
| [00:04:58] | sphery: | _klk_: I am working on a patch that will store detected blank frames in the DB |
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| [00:05:08] | sphery: | and will allow you to seek by blank frame |
| [00:05:18] | sphery: | (in editing and playback) |
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| [00:05:45] | sphery: | but it's not the highest on my todo, right now (since to make it really useful, I need some major changes to the editor ui) |
| [00:09:46] | _klk_: | sphery: ah, i see. |
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| [01:08:49] | mzb: | I've got two problems with the usage atm, both related to my use of the wii-mote as a controller. |
| [01:09:30] | mzb: | 1) 'EDIT' has been removed from the menu during playback so I can't add cut-points ... *sad* |
| [01:09:42] | mzb: | 2) I can't change parental levels |
| [01:10:06] | mzb: | I guess the solution to 1 is pretty simple, but how do I get around #2? |
| [01:10:16] | mzb: | (looking for ideas, wild or otherwise;)) |
| [01:10:33] | mzb: | but *NOT* including using a different remote ;p |
| [01:10:50] | mzb: | any suggestions? |
| [01:13:35] | sphery: | mzb: MENU|Jobs|Edit Recording |
| [01:13:58] | mzb: | oh really? ... wow |
| [01:14:03] | mzb: | ok, thanks |
| [01:14:23] | mzb: | any suggestions for changing parental level without having number buttons? |
| [01:14:51] | mzb: | come to think of it ... I guess I do have some spare key combinations that might work |
| [01:15:00] | sphery: | no clue how to do it normally |
| [01:15:15] | mzb: | you press a number key between 1–4 |
| [01:15:26] | mzb: | and then if you have a pin assigned you type it in |
| [01:16:04] | sphery: | during playback? |
| [01:16:10] | sphery: | number will just appear, then disappear... |
| [01:16:20] | sphery: | maybe not for me because I have parental level disabled? |
| [01:16:26] | mzb: | no, while browsing videos ... not sure about recordings |
| [01:16:37] | sphery: | oh, videos... |
| [01:17:29] | mzb: | I'm just working my way through 6 weeks of free DVD rentals, so it'd be nice to get the parental stuff working |
| [01:17:51] | sphery: | how about INFO|Change Video Details|Edit Details, then scroll to/edit Parental Level? |
| [01:18:07] | mzb: | ie: having "Up" on the same page as "The Hangover – Extended and Uncut" probably doesn't seem the right idea ;) |
| [01:18:15] | sphery: | heh, yeah |
| [01:18:19] | mzb: | yes ... I *can* change the parental level |
| [01:18:20] | mzb: | BUT |
| [01:18:29] | sphery: | I watched The Hangover recently... was definitely not a kids show |
| [01:18:39] | mzb: | when I'm browsing, I can't change the -current- parental level |
| [01:18:58] | sphery: | (I got The Hangover – RedBox Edition (whichever that was)) |
| [01:19:08] | sphery: | ahhh |
| [01:19:11] | sphery: | I see |
| [01:19:57] | mzb: | only way I can think of is to perhaps use 'B+A' as modifiers and combine them with 1 and 2 buttons .... |
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| [01:20:07] | mzb: | bindkeys and all that .... |
| [01:20:09] | sphery: | as you can tell, I don't really know my MythVideo |
| [01:20:16] | mzb: | :) |
| [01:20:49] | mzb: | nice if I could get the playlist function to work too ... not sure what's going on there |
| [01:21:26] | mzb: | I can add all the 'Octonauts' and 'Pocoyo' shows to the list, then 'Play list randomly', but it only plays one recording :( |
| [01:22:51] | mzb: | not trying to do a bug report, btw ... perhaps I'm just missing something in the 'how to use this feature' theory? |
| [01:23:48] | mzb: | gawd ... not doing too well with some of these DVDs ... I reckon >50% of the ones I've received so far have had errors/scratches/etc |
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| [03:27:07] | dewman: | !seen JESUS |
| [03:27:07] | MythLogBot: | JESUS was last seen 282 days 9 hours 52 minutes 22 seconds ago |
| [03:30:16] | ** cesman thought it was 1978 years ago... ** | |
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| [03:32:47] | iamlindoro: | And then again 1977 years, 51 weeks ago |
| [03:34:30] | dewman: | ;-) |
| [03:35:15] | dewman: | !seen SATAN |
| [03:35:15] | MythLogBot: | SATAN was last seen 427 days 16 hours 39 minutes 42 seconds ago |
| [03:35:38] | dewman: | wow. they missed each other.. by just a few months |
| [03:35:51] | clever: | !seen GOD |
| [03:35:51] | MythLogBot: | GOD was last seen 1395 days 14 hours 59 minutes 41 seconds ago |
| [03:36:47] | dewman: | !seen sarah palin |
| [03:36:48] | MythLogBot: | sarah palin has not been seen here |
| [03:36:51] | dewman: | thank god! |
| [03:36:54] | clever: | lol |
| [03:37:05] | clever: | your a few years late to be thanking him:P |
| [03:37:22] | dewman: | o yeah... lol |
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| [03:44:08] | FlyingSpaghettiM: | hah, it's registered... |
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| [03:44:22] | iamlindoro: | ah well |
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| [04:16:18] | k-man: | damn I hate instructables |
| [04:17:14] | k-man: | do you have to be a paid member these days to view all the steps to a project? |
| [04:18:42] | hoolio: | money. meh. |
| [04:19:17] | k-man: | sometimes I wish there was a "never show this site in results ever again" button in google |
| [04:19:33] | hoolio: | there is, kinda |
| [04:19:45] | hoolio: | i had a firefox plugin that used to do exactly that |
| [04:19:52] | hoolio: | based on a blacklist you could configure |
| [04:20:22] | k-man: | that sounds kinda interesting |
| [04:21:00] | hoolio: | now most all the good plugins are broken in FF5 |
| [04:21:04] | hoolio: | :( |
| [04:23:13] | k-man: | I switched to chrome a while ago |
| [04:23:16] | k-man: | I love chrome |
| [04:23:30] | k-man: | virtually never use FF now |
| [04:35:56] | hoolio: | I use chrome sans plugins for the google apps stuff |
| [04:36:13] | hoolio: | because it works faster at that |
| [04:36:23] | hoolio: | and still use ff for other stuff |
| [04:37:10] | hoolio: | also we use google apps for work and it's nice keeping the home/work realm separate in different browsers |
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| [04:42:44] | k-man: | experts-exchange is another site I would add to my blacklist |
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| [04:47:29] | hoolio: | ya, same |
| [04:47:47] | hoolio: | although you can get the answers to the questions if you scroll way way down the bottom |
| [04:47:52] | k-man: | yeah I know |
| [04:47:55] | k-man: | that trick is great |
| [04:48:03] | hoolio: | but yeah, i'd just as soon avoid it |
| [04:48:37] | k-man: | frequently the comments change from some kind of answer to the question, to discussion about how points should be allocated for the answer |
| [04:50:24] | hoolio: | yeah ok |
| [04:50:25] | hoolio: | meh |
| [04:50:37] | k-man: | what are the default themes for if you cannot actually select a default theme to use? |
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| [05:03:04] | casey: | Hello, I've search the mailinglist archive and found others with my problem but no-one has listed any solutions. Anyone feel like a challenge? |
| [05:03:59] | casey: | When in LiveTV I can play some channels perfectly other with just sound. |
| [05:04:21] | casey: | If I change my playback settings from vdpau to normal then all the channels play fine. However from terminal I can launch `azap -r [0004]` and then in another terminal window launch mplayer -vo vdpau /dev/dvb/adapter0/dvr0 and it plays just fine. |
| [05:04:43] | casey: | What command does mythtv's live player launch? Is there a way to change it? |
| [05:05:05] | [R]: | no |
| [05:05:06] | [R]: | its the builtin player |
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| [05:05:21] | [R]: | what about if your record it? |
| [05:06:15] | casey: | If I record it, it also is black. unless I change my playback settings to normal from vdpau |
| [05:06:58] | [R]: | and if you play the recording with mplayer it works? |
| [05:07:58] | casey: | exactly if i play the recording with mplayer it works fine |
| [05:08:31] | casey: | just seems weird that it plays it with mplayer even with -vo vdpau specified |
| [05:09:48] | [R]: | you may create a very small snippet of it |
| [05:09:50] | [R]: | and file a bug report |
| [05:10:53] | casey: | okay; I'm willing to do that. Snippet of the video or the playback windows ?? |
| [05:11:23] | casey: | an example of playback window |
| [05:11:25] | casey: | casey@tvpc:~$ mplayer /dev/dvb/adapter0/dvr0 |
| [05:11:25] | casey: | MPlayer 1.0rc4–4.4.5 (C) 2000–2010 MPlayer Team |
| [05:11:25] | casey: | mplayer: could not connect to socket |
| [05:11:25] | casey: | mplayer: No such file or directory |
| [05:11:25] | casey: | Failed to open LIRC support. You will not be able to use your remote control. |
| [05:11:26] | casey: | Playing /dev/dvb/adapter0/dvr0. |
| [05:11:26] | [R]: | the ideo |
| [05:11:28] | [R]: | video* |
| [05:11:28] | casey: | TS file format detected. |
| [05:11:30] | casey: | VIDEO MPEG2(pid=49) AUDIO A52(pid=50) NO SUBS (yet)! PROGRAM N. 0 |
| [05:11:33] | [R]: | NOT TO FLOOD |
| [05:11:34] | casey: | VIDEO: MPEG2 704x480 (aspect 2) 29.970 fps 4200.0 kbps (525.0 kbyte/s) |
| [05:11:36] | casey: | okay thx |
| [05:12:01] | Beirdo: | la la la |
| [05:12:39] | Beirdo: | nothing like a 3h long distance call |
| [05:13:27] | [R]: | Beirdo: you have a landline? |
| [05:13:49] | Beirdo: | of course |
| [05:14:05] | [R]: | lol |
| [05:14:11] | casey: | one other thought, does anyone know of any weirdness with nvidia 275.19 ?? Under the mailing lists I did find reference to problems with 260 |
| [05:14:49] | casey: | I was thinking of trying 256 but wasn't sure if it would work with my gt 430 |
| [05:15:15] | [R]: | well read the docs |
| [05:15:19] | [R]: | they list each card that they work with |
| [05:15:52] | casey: | exactly the docs list 275 as the only one supported |
| [05:16:24] | [R]: | well then there you go |
| [05:16:26] | casey: | Thanks for all your help; I'm off to file a bug report! |
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| [07:06:05] | justinh: | great, another reason not to rely on gpu video decoding :) |
| [07:11:08] | justinh: | anyway, just why *is* mythfrontend run from a wrapper in mythbuntu? for ease of adding logging options etc, or something? |
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| [07:48:06] | laga: | justinh: also to easily enable mythwelcome goodness. aand because logging is enabled by default in certain modes AFAIK |
| [07:54:28] | justinh: | mythwelcome has goodness? heh |
| [07:56:41] | justinh: | I think I've had about enough of trying to program the atmel on these boards now. stupid designer bloke refuses to admit there's a problem – and yet – I can't seem to reliably read even the device signature let alone program the device |
| [07:56:58] | laga: | well |
| [07:57:02] | laga: | perhaps that's by design |
| [08:02:07] | clever: | justinh: check the schematics and see what else is on the ISP pins |
| [08:02:50] | justinh: | clever: shut up |
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| [08:31:55] | justinh: | laga: it's not by design. the device signature has to be verifiable for the device to be programmed :) |
| [08:32:07] | laga: | ;) |
| [08:32:42] | laga: | there's too many TVs |
| [08:33:00] | laga: | there should be one model for each size. that would make buying a TV much easier |
| [08:33:01] | justinh: | anyway I got to the bottom of the problem. The host CPU wasn't held in reset during programming. stupid designer |
| [08:33:36] | justinh: | something very funky was going on. the main app was still trying to hit the atmel & was fair messing things up :-\ |
| [08:34:06] | justinh: | not by shared programming pins either, and the board came without any external reset ability |
| [08:34:36] | justinh: | stupid load of crap product :) |
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| [09:01:12] | justinh: | holy cow. this product sucks 30W from DC even when it's in reset |
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| [10:19:03] | stuartm: | justinh: one of your companies products? |
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| [11:08:56] | justinh: | stuartm: aye |
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| [11:22:56] | wagnerrp: | justinh: its to allow them to do things like ensure mythbackend is running |
| [11:23:57] | justinh: | wagnerrp: meh, well I don't need that. I know what I'm doing :) |
| [11:24:03] | justinh: | (generally) |
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| [11:31:18] | justinh: | almost got my PoE dummy load box ready to rock & roll :-) |
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| [11:31:52] | justinh: | blimmin work, interrupting theming. grr |
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| [11:41:05] | wagnerrp: | justinh: how big is BT over there? |
| [11:41:38] | EvilGuru: | justinh: Power over ethernet? |
| [11:48:14] | justinh: | wagnerrp: British Telecom, as it was? Pretty big. Biggest telco provider in the UK, still |
| [11:48:26] | justinh: | EvilGuru: yup PoE. High power PoE too |
| [11:48:41] | justinh: | 5 channels of up to 40W loading :-D |
| [11:49:22] | EvilGuru: | I was considering getting a PoE switch, but Cisco wanted an £80 premium for four PoE ports @ 15.4W |
| [11:49:51] | justinh: | midspan? |
| [11:50:00] | wagnerrp: | justinh: apparently a judge has ordered them to block newzbin, a commercial newsgroup provider |
| [11:50:21] | justinh: | wagnerrp: yeah I heard today the MPAASS were looking for that |
| [11:50:29] | EvilGuru: | I did look into PoE injectors but they are all 100mbit/s |
| [11:50:36] | wagnerrp: | EvilGuru: you actually have hardware that supports PoE? |
| [11:50:40] | EvilGuru: | wagnerrp: Almost all ISPs use their technology for filtering |
| [11:50:46] | EvilGuru: | wagnerrp: VoIP phone and AO |
| [11:50:48] | EvilGuru: | *AP |
| [11:50:55] | justinh: | EvilGuru: injecting PoE onto gigabit is a bit tricky |
| [11:51:13] | wagnerrp: | most cheaper injectors are going to be passive, two pair for data, two for power |
| [11:51:13] | EvilGuru: | Yeah as the lines are being used for power and data |
| [11:51:15] | justinh: | well not tricky.. just needs more expensive magjacks ;) |
| [11:51:20] | wagnerrp: | which only allows 100mbps |
| [11:51:29] | wagnerrp: | and is technically not PoE compatible |
| [11:51:38] | justinh: | nah it's called passive PoE |
| [11:51:52] | justinh: | active PoE is pretty clever, but still not rocket science |
| [11:52:04] | wagnerrp: | as opposed to active, which puts a DC bias on the data pairs |
| [11:52:16] | justinh: | yeah via a centre-tap on the magjacks |
| [11:53:23] | justinh: | magjacks are a bit of a sore point here. we found we've bought thousands of the things that only allow 350mA across em before they saturate. Only our stuff is meant to be high power. whoops |
| [11:53:51] | justinh: | on the plus side, the higher capacity magjacks aren't pin compatible with the old ones we've got lots of. So that rules me out of changing any here :D |
| [11:53:56] | wagnerrp: | but isnt that at 48V? |
| [11:54:04] | justinh: | yeah |
| [11:54:08] | justinh: | high power > 15W |
| [11:54:09] | wagnerrp: | i thought they were running telco power levels |
| [11:54:14] | wagnerrp: | s/power/voltage/ |
| [11:54:16] | EvilGuru: | the other pain with PoE is that a lot of cheapo cables are only half wired |
| [11:54:18] | justinh: | 48V @ 350mA is about 15W |
| [11:54:27] | justinh: | EvilGuru: wha? |
| [11:54:38] | justinh: | I've never seen a half-wired ethernet cable |
| [11:54:38] | wagnerrp: | oh, 350mA total, not per pair |
| [11:54:44] | justinh: | wagnerrp: yeah |
| [11:54:55] | EvilGuru: | justinh: A lot of the 'Cat5e' cable I've come across has half the number of wires |
| [11:55:01] | EvilGuru: | So it can not be used for gigabit etc |
| [11:55:10] | wagnerrp: | yeah, anyone who runs cat5 and only hooks up half the pairs should be flayed |
| [11:55:22] | wagnerrp: | are you sure they arent wired for POTS? |
| [11:55:32] | EvilGuru: | wagnerrp: Actually, I think the pairs are missing from the cable to save cash |
| [11:55:33] | justinh: | it's actually *harder* to only crimp 4 conductors |
| [11:55:51] | justinh: | not that I've ever enjoyed crimping RJ45s |
| [11:56:08] | EvilGuru: | A switch my friend bought (10/100) has a similar deal with the 8P8C sockets, half the contacts |
| [11:56:32] | justinh: | I can understand economising on the sockets. no harm in that |
| [11:56:46] | justinh: | they don't actuallt *need* the extra contacts |
| [11:57:00] | wagnerrp: | running half populated wires is just retarded |
| [11:57:05] | EvilGuru: | Does show how bad it has got, that it is worth having a different assembly line for 10/100 sockets to save on a contact or two |
| [11:57:07] | justinh: | yeah that is |
| [11:57:08] | wagnerrp: | when it comes to laying wire, wire is cheap |
| [11:57:21] | justinh: | EvilGuru: the price of base metals these days? probably |
| [11:57:28] | wagnerrp: | the cost is in the person halving to lay the wire |
| [11:57:42] | EvilGuru: | Cat5e is cheap, picked up 100m for £12.50 last week + delivery |
| [11:57:50] | justinh: | I've seen ethernet jacks where only half the wires are crimped |
| [11:58:01] | wagnerrp: | or more importantly, the person having to pull new wire through existing structure because the builder cheaped out and only used 4-wire "cat5" |
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| [11:58:20] | justinh: | I was tempted to do that for my network at home but thought better of it (thankfully now I'm on Gig E) |
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| [11:58:44] | justinh: | I didn't even know you could buy half populated networking wire lol |
| [11:58:49] | EvilGuru: | if I was going to wire in wall I'd want to go with something over-spe'ed like Cat7a |
| [11:59:13] | justinh: | I hit the limit of the disks when I do file copies over my network & it's only cat5e |
| [11:59:21] | EvilGuru: | If only because you can run almost anything that is not DVB-S down there |
| [12:00:55] | EvilGuru: | This BT Cleanfeed blocking thing is interesting though, as something like 95% of ISPs subscribe to it |
| [12:01:22] | justinh: | wha?! |
| [12:01:44] | justinh: | I thought that was for kiddy porn & terror etc |
| [12:01:48] | EvilGuru: | Unless you're Zen, AAISP, or through something like JANET you're getting it |
| [12:02:01] | EvilGuru: | justinh: It was, but a judge has forced them to use it for warez also |
| [12:02:17] | justinh: | what next?! |
| [12:02:28] | justinh: | we need rioting. Major rioting |
| [12:03:05] | EvilGuru: | Just let those moronic 'hacktivists' go at it for a day or so |
| [12:03:19] | justinh: | you can't just filter the internet |
| [12:03:53] | justinh: | I'm not *for* piracy or kiddy porn but there comes a point where censorship can't be stopped. So we have to stop it now |
| [12:04:01] | EvilGuru: | I'm not sure why the ISPs support the IWF (charity behind it) |
| [12:04:16] | EvilGuru: | justinh: The problem is that blocking the kiddy porn does nothing to curb the underlying abuse |
| [12:04:20] | justinh: | EvilGuru: because! If they're not FOR it, they'd be seen as being FOR child abuse |
| [12:04:27] | justinh: | of course! |
| [12:04:37] | ** EvilGuru hates that argument, but it works on elected officials and CEOs ** | |
| [12:04:43] | justinh: | sadly |
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| [12:06:57] | justinh: | and I bet my house on the blocking failing to increase revenues |
| [12:07:57] | EvilGuru: | If anything it will make it worse for the copyright holders |
| [12:08:13] | EvilGuru: | As sites will just clear off through encrypted tunnels and the such |
| [12:08:29] | EvilGuru: | So then it is not only still happening but no one is aware of it |
| [12:08:33] | justinh: | wonder how the blocking works. wouldn't be surprised if it's only domain filtering |
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| [12:08:48] | EvilGuru: | justinh: transparent proxying, like when they did over wikipedia |
| [12:08:59] | justinh: | did over wikipedia? |
| [12:09:23] | EvilGuru: | they claimed that wikipedia was hosting kiddy porn so proxyed it |
| [12:09:37] | EvilGuru: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Watch_F . . . nd_Wikipedia |
| [12:10:50] | justinh: | ha I 'd forgot about that |
| [12:11:16] | EvilGuru: | I was in uni accomodation at the time, so it didn't affect me |
| [12:13:49] | justinh: | still remember virgin media announcing they were going to shape filesharing traffic.. and a couple of days later I got an email saying they'd rapidly expanded retention & binary group numbers on their news servers. Contradictory much? ;-) |
| [12:14:25] | EvilGuru: | Isn't binary usenet *all* dodgy? |
| [12:14:44] | justinh: | without exception, from what I've seen of it |
| [12:16:03] | justinh: | anyway newzbin is just an aggregator site & news server host.. there are zillions of binary news services out there now |
| [12:16:34] | EvilGuru: | Well we all know how well attempts to block TPB in other countries have gone... |
| [12:16:42] | justinh: | plaintext usenet is pretty much all spam, and the rest of it is warez |
| [12:18:06] | wagnerrp: | EvilGuru: they make cat7a? |
| [12:18:10] | wagnerrp: | ive heard of cat6a |
| [12:18:21] | wagnerrp: | but i didnt even know they were selling cat7 |
| [12:18:23] | EvilGuru: | wagnerrp: I do not think it has been formally standardised |
| [12:18:39] | EvilGuru: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category_7_cable |
| [12:18:55] | EvilGuru: | All of the cable I've seen is rated for 1200Mhz, which may be enough for 40gbit |
| [12:24:23] | wagnerrp: | ugh, individual shielding on each wire? |
| [12:24:37] | wagnerrp: | each pair, rather |
| [12:24:46] | wagnerrp: | and a braid |
| [12:24:54] | EvilGuru: | Which is quite neat, as you can run what you like down the pairs |
| [12:25:11] | EvilGuru: | So two 100mbit/s connections can go through one cable (assuming no power etc) |
| [12:25:40] | wagnerrp: | can you still do solid core? or do they require stranded? |
| [12:25:49] | EvilGuru: | can still get solid core |
| [12:26:02] | wagnerrp: | well then im happy |
| [12:26:03] | EvilGuru: | I think the spec mandates it for 100m runs (90m solid + 10 stranded) |
| [12:26:13] | wagnerrp: | i /hate/ stranded cables |
| [12:27:13] | wagnerrp: | i get the whole skin effect thing at those frequencies |
| [12:27:25] | wagnerrp: | but i dont care, they have no stiffness, making them a PITA to crimp |
| [12:31:47] | wagnerrp: | south carolina woman brought up on obscenity charges for her truck nuts |
| [12:32:04] | wagnerrp: | ... im guessing she wears a lot of flannel |
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| [13:36:19] | Cardoe: | wagnerrp: Did you yank in my fork and bump the ebuilds? |
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| [13:43:24] | wagnerrp: | no, not yet |
| [13:47:41] | wagnerrp: | Cardoe: were you planning any more changes besides the mythweb curl dependency? |
| [13:48:30] | Cardoe: | yeah |
| [13:48:38] | Cardoe: | I've just been a slacker. :( |
| [13:49:07] | Cardoe: | I haven't been able to code in the evenings lately. |
| [13:49:29] | wagnerrp: | do you expect to get to it today? otherwise ill push this morning? |
| [13:49:33] | Cardoe: | I can probably push you some quick tweaks during lunch today. |
| [13:49:57] | Cardoe: | I'm in US-Central so lunch is in like 3 hrs. |
| [13:50:05] | Cardoe: | I can also fork after you push. |
| [13:50:11] | Cardoe: | I don't want to hold you up |
| [13:50:41] | wagnerrp: | ive got no changes to pull in, im just bumping the versions |
| [13:50:41] | Cardoe: | Need to go work for Google and then say my 20% time is ebuild maintenance... |
| [13:51:04] | wagnerrp: | actually, i need to update the init script for the new logging parameters |
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| [16:30:11] | sphery: | enyc: I recommend something in the 2.5+GHz range. It's sufficiently fast to decode most anything you'll try to play back in software (in case VDPAU doesn't help), and provides a fast, responsive UI/UX. |
| [16:31:23] | sphery: | Though note that with my 3.0GHz AMD Athlon II X2 250, I still can't do full screen Flash playback. |
| [16:31:56] | sphery: | (where flash tries to not only decode in software, but also does the more-resource-intensive video scaling in software) |
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| [16:41:51] | enyc: | sphery: at the moment htere seem to be good deals on G620 2.6ghz and bosard and nvidia low power cards |
| [16:42:16] | enyc: | sphery: i think flash is always going to be a pain, best replaced ;-) |
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| [16:44:29] | sphery: | the G620 is probably a pretty good choice |
| [16:44:46] | sphery: | and, yeah, flash is trash :) |
| [16:45:16] | sphery: | (which is why I don't really care that I can't full screen flash--because it's not worth using) |
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| [16:54:50] | stuartm: | sphery: did you have vdpau? |
| [16:55:33] | stuartm: | the latest flash beta will use vdpau ... |
| [16:56:55] | sphery: | stuartm: only uses vdpau if the web site specifies the studio style (which not all players can use) |
| [16:57:16] | sphery: | er, stage video? |
| [16:57:33] | sphery: | i.e. it's not me who decides :) |
| [16:57:58] | stuartm: | ah, didn't know that, I just know that it works for iplayer which is all I've tested so far |
| [16:58:32] | sphery: | yeah, pretty sure that Hulu doesn't use it. I think YouTube might use it in some places or something. |
| [16:58:49] | sphery: | but I don't generally like watching random people falling off skateboards--I like a bit more of a story |
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| [17:05:09] | wagnerrp: | enyc: i would go with the 2.9GHz one to be honest |
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| [17:10:09] | sphery: | wagnerrp: for H.264 or ??? |
| [17:10:42] | wagnerrp: | sphery: just a little bit of extra headroom for bluray |
| [17:10:47] | sphery: | ah, yeah |
| [17:10:49] | wagnerrp: | since its only dual core |
| [17:12:20] | sphery: | stuartm: so, if you're interested in the differences, the first couple sections (about a page) of http://www.adobe.com/devnet/flashplayer/artic . . . e_video.html give a good overview of stage video |
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| [17:22:28] | wagnerrp: | sphery: do you know how 80+ PSUs typically perform below 20% load? |
| [17:24:24] | sphery: | AIUI, very poorly |
| [17:24:32] | sphery: | drop off is pretty steep at 20% on most |
| [17:24:49] | sphery: | unfortunately, 80plus.org doesn't measure it, so this is all hearsay |
| [17:25:10] | sphery: | (they have graphs showing efficiency vs load but only show data from 20%-100% |
| [17:25:48] | EvilGuru: | Also at that low level the 5.5 and 3.3 start to have an effect |
| [17:26:42] | sphery: | effect? like they're out of the desired voltage ranges or ? |
| [17:26:55] | EvilGuru: | sphery: On efficiency |
| [17:26:58] | sphery: | ahhh |
| [17:27:09] | sphery: | yeah, that makes sense |
| [17:27:20] | EvilGuru: | At higher loads you can just pretend it is all 12v and not be far wrong |
| [17:27:28] | wagnerrp: | meaning its consuming power to drive those rails even if there is nothing actually on them? |
| [17:27:35] | sphery: | and it would also make sense for the manufacturers to concentrate more on the 12V efficiency (where the most gains are to be had) |
| [17:27:55] | EvilGuru: | DC-DC conversion is quite common, too nowadays |
| [17:28:26] | wagnerrp: | where they just convert everything to 12V, and downconvert to 5/3.3 from there? |
| [17:29:34] | EvilGuru: | Normally, but in the mini-ITX world slightly higher voltages are not uncommon |
| [17:29:41] | EvilGuru: | (and the 12v itself is converted) |
| [17:30:42] | wagnerrp: | just trying to explain to a user why an efficient ATX power supply is better than a PicoPSU and inefficient power brick |
| [17:31:05] | sid3windr: | may be better, but usually also louder? :) |
| [17:31:28] | wagnerrp: | except in the case where your PSU is your only exhaust fan |
| [17:32:10] | EvilGuru: | The problem is probably with the power brick |
| [17:32:26] | EvilGuru: | Once you've got 12v you're good to go, but most power bricks suck |
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| [18:23:30] | stuartm: | sphery: thanks for the url, it's all a lot easier to understand when you realise that behind all the 'stage' terminology all they are really talking about is compositing in hardware vs compositing in software, the pros/cons of which are well known (well to anyone who has spent time working on MythTV at least) |
| [18:24:16] | wagnerrp: | stuartm: well the bigger issue is that they seem intent in compositing in something comparable to Xv |
| [18:24:25] | wagnerrp: | which is inherently limited |
| [18:24:35] | wagnerrp: | hence the big list of limitations the gave when operating in that mode |
| [18:24:57] | wagnerrp: | as opposed to using something opengl(es) or directshow |
| [18:25:36] | stuartm: | wagnerrp: yeah, they've chosen to limit the capabilities of their API to suite the lowest common denominator, which does make some sense, it's more confusing for the same flash app to behave in two completely different ways just because of differences in the underlying hardware |
| [18:25:36] | wagnerrp: | when they were simply supporting windows/linux/OSX, they could have relatively easily migrated over to those systems |
| [18:25:50] | wagnerrp: | an integrated rich elements with video practically cost free |
| [18:26:16] | wagnerrp: | now, theyre expected to do the same on a whole range of embedded TVs that likely have nothing of the sort |
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| [18:27:29] | wagnerrp: | where as if they had required such an interface from the start, hardware manufacturers would have had no option but to provide it or go without |
| [18:27:42] | wagnerrp: | their inaction in the past has painted them into a corner |
| [18:27:47] | wagnerrp: | with no one to blame but themselves |
| [18:28:37] | stuartm: | migrating their rendering to opengl or similar might have made a lot of sense, but I've never got the impression that Adobe's programmers think for themselves, the time it's taken them to release a full featured 64bit client for example reeks of top heavy management, poor planning and bad code |
| [18:29:32] | wagnerrp: | if thats the case, all the more reason for industry to abandon them for something better |
| [18:30:03] | wagnerrp: | of course, considering DRM is the sacrifice to transition to HTML5 |
| [18:30:06] | wagnerrp: | it will never happen |
| [18:30:13] | stuartm: | as I heard it, porting to 64bit was an incredibly painful exercise for them as the old code had so many assumptions built into it that it they practically had to re-write it from scratch (could be nothing more than heresay) |
| [18:30:18] | stuartm: | hearsay |
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| [18:58:12] | sphery: | stuartm: heh, yeah, it's Flash itself that's heresy :) |
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| [19:22:00] | justinh: | and now, back to the theming! |
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| [20:35:31] | DeviceZer0: | hello all. For some reason mythtv is not wanting to record tonights opening for xgames17. Its airing from 7pm-11pm but mythtv does not think it should record tonight. In mythweb its not even showing up in upcoming recordings when i enable duplicates/ignored. |
| [20:35:41] | DeviceZer0: | it is showing up tomorrow for a 1 hour block |
| [20:36:17] | wagnerrp: | theyre probably marked as generic episodes |
| [20:36:27] | DeviceZer0: | they do not have a description |
| [20:36:34] | DeviceZer0: | just "x games" |
| [20:36:49] | wagnerrp: | actually, no |
| [20:36:56] | wagnerrp: | they simply dont match whatever you set as the rule |
| [20:37:28] | DeviceZer0: | i made a power search that does match x games |
| [20:37:49] | DeviceZer0: | just for whatever reason mythv(or schedule direct) doesnt think tonights airing is new |
| [20:37:59] | DeviceZer0: | *i think* thats whats going on |
| [20:38:22] | wagnerrp: | if it matched at all, it would show up when you enabled duplicates/ignored |
| [20:38:25] | DeviceZer0: | what does the blue dotted lines mean in mythweb? |
| [20:38:40] | DeviceZer0: | it shows up as blue dotted lines when i do a search for xgames. |
| [20:38:43] | wagnerrp: | since it doesnt, your power rule is not matching those shows |
| [20:38:50] | DeviceZer0: | but under duplicates/ignored it does not show up |
| [20:38:57] | wagnerrp: | thats what im saying |
| [20:39:06] | wagnerrp: | its not set to record, and it doesnt show up as a duplicate |
| [20:39:16] | wagnerrp: | thus, it simply doesnt match your rule |
| [20:39:22] | wagnerrp: | your rule is bad |
| [20:40:01] | DeviceZer0: | the rule is simply: program.title = 'X Games' AND program.previouslyshown = 0 |
| [20:40:34] | stuartm: | best guess it's marked as a repeat? |
| [20:40:38] | DeviceZer0: | a search in mythweb shows x games showing up as "X Games" |
| [20:41:01] | DeviceZer0: | does a blue dotted line in mythweb indicate a repeat? |
| [20:41:05] | wagnerrp: | is there anything else in the title besides 'X Games'? |
| [20:41:22] | DeviceZer0: | i know a green solid line indicates it will record and red means conflict |
| [20:41:25] | wagnerrp: | like, does it list an event, or a time, or anything else? |
| [20:41:27] | DeviceZer0: | wagnerrp, no |
| [20:41:30] | DeviceZer0: | nope |
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| [20:41:53] | wagnerrp: | then why are you using a power rule? |
| [20:42:04] | wagnerrp: | why not just 'record all of this title' |
| [20:42:07] | DeviceZer0: | i moved all my rules over to power rules. |
| [20:42:14] | wagnerrp: | what for? |
| [20:42:22] | DeviceZer0: | it was suggest by users in here |
| [20:42:37] | wagnerrp: | the only time you should be using power rules is if the standard rules do not support what you are trying to search for |
| [20:42:44] | DeviceZer0: | i was having issues when i changed providers...old rules where attempting to record on the wrong channels and stuff like that |
| [20:42:59] | iamlindoro: | If *anyone* in here told you to move all your rules to power rules, they're a moron... I suspect a misinterpretation |
| [20:43:54] | wagnerrp: | rules should be set to record on any channel |
| [20:44:07] | DeviceZer0: | this rule is |
| [20:44:15] | wagnerrp: | at which point right or wrong channel would be handled by your priority |
| [20:44:20] | DeviceZer0: | oh |
| [20:44:38] | DeviceZer0: | for some reason it was having issues. there was also another problem that i cannot recall off the top of my head |
| [20:44:38] | wagnerrp: | increase the priority of the preferred channel |
| [20:45:02] | DeviceZer0: | also...this power search should record |
| [20:45:17] | DeviceZer0: | the show is not showing up as previously aired in the past |
| [20:45:18] | DeviceZer0: | Original Airdate: 2011-07–28 |
| [20:46:09] | DeviceZer0: | also...it does have a description |
| [20:46:10] | DeviceZer0: | From Los Angeles. (HDTV, CC) |
| [20:46:14] | DeviceZer0: | maybe thats why |
| [20:46:15] | wagnerrp: | whether it works or not is irrelevant |
| [20:46:26] | DeviceZer0: | its checking the description and since they all match |
| [20:46:29] | DeviceZer0: | its marked as old |
| [20:46:29] | wagnerrp: | make a standard rule, record all of show 'X Games' |
| [20:46:47] | wagnerrp: | disable duplicate matching, and have it record new showings only |
| [20:47:32] | DeviceZer0: | after changing a rule should the effects take place right away? |
| [20:47:44] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [20:48:10] | DeviceZer0: | ok thanks |
| [20:48:24] | wagnerrp: | changing a rule triggers a scheduler run |
| [20:48:31] | wagnerrp: | and the effects are posted once the run is complete |
| [20:48:34] | DeviceZer0: | ah |
| [20:48:35] | DeviceZer0: | ok. |
| [20:48:44] | DeviceZer0: | i think disabling dupe checking worked. |
| [20:49:14] | DeviceZer0: | though. now mythtv is showing conflicts for each airing of it...because its airing on both the standard def and high def espn at the same time |
| [20:50:28] | wagnerrp: | in certain circumstances such as that, where duplicate checking will not work |
| [20:50:40] | wagnerrp: | a 'this channel only' rule is acceptable |
| [20:52:04] | DeviceZer0: | http://img801.imageshack.us/img801/1129/dupli . . . lsconfli.png |
| [20:52:06] | DeviceZer0: | ah ok |
| [20:52:37] | DeviceZer0: | in a power rule can you do multiple channels? because this airs on both espn and espn2 i think |
| [20:53:19] | DeviceZer0: | yea it airs on both |
| [20:53:29] | wagnerrp: | better to make two rules |
| [20:53:36] | DeviceZer0: | ok. thanks again |
| [20:54:08] | wagnerrp: | fewer rules doesnt really gain you anything |
| [20:54:44] | wagnerrp: | the actual matching of shows against the rules is trivial compared to duplicate checking and placement on tuners |
| [20:58:03] | DeviceZer0: | ah |
| [21:02:52] | DeviceZer0: | hmm |
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| [21:04:07] | DeviceZer0: | when i had that one rule that had the two channels conflicting...it wanted to record all the showings. Now that i made two rules...its wanting to record less. |
| [21:05:09] | DeviceZer0: | for instance...with that one rule. It was going to record 4 times on sunday for xgames. Now with the two different rules its only wanting to record once on sunday |
| [21:05:39] | DeviceZer0: | both new rules have dupe checking off. |
| [21:05:52] | DeviceZer0: | and are set to the channels it was airing on |
| [21:07:35] | DeviceZer0: | old single rule: http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/413/dupicateschannels2.png |
| [21:08:13] | DeviceZer0: | new 2 rules: http://img856.imageshack.us/img856/1839/newless.png |
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| [21:08:53] | DeviceZer0: | with the new rules there is also no showings of x games after sunday. |
| [21:11:46] | DeviceZer0: | any ideas? |
| [21:11:47] | justinh: | what's the big deal about recording duplicates anyway? |
| [21:12:05] | justinh: | unless a channel does whole days of reruns I don't sweat about it |
| [21:12:14] | justinh: | I'd rather record too much than miss what I want to catch |
| [21:12:20] | DeviceZer0: | yea. |
| [21:12:30] | DeviceZer0: | and xgames is only once a year |
| [21:12:38] | DeviceZer0: | i could enable a rule for the weekend |
| [21:12:51] | DeviceZer0: | then when its all done...just deactivate the rule |
| [21:13:10] | DeviceZer0: | but...im just curious about why its not catching all the recordings one rule was |
| [21:14:44] | DeviceZer0: | wait. |
| [21:14:47] | DeviceZer0: | i think i found the issue |
| [21:15:01] | DeviceZer0: | yup |
| [21:15:42] | DeviceZer0: | when i did a search for x games...under the channel column...it shows espn2 hd as "ESPN2 HD" but when making the rule....it should be "ESPN2HD" |
| [21:18:09] | justinh: | callsign vs channel name perhaps |
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| [21:40:10] | sphery: | DeviceZer0: if you have espn2 hd on multiple video sources and you want to treat it as the same channel for "this channel" rules, you must give it the same callsign on all sources |
| [21:40:50] | DeviceZer0: | sphery, i only have one input. |
| [21:41:04] | DeviceZer0: | but i think ive sorted it out now |
| [21:41:39] | sphery: | cool |
| [21:42:05] | DeviceZer0: | thanks though! :) |
| [21:44:46] | wagnerrp: | j-rod: you may want to have a talk with whoever maintains the ebuild for lirc |
| [21:45:08] | wagnerrp: | they actually have a warning when you build with multiple device types |
| [21:45:31] | wagnerrp: | something along the lines of 'you probably shouldnt do this, it can break things' |
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| [21:49:31] | j-rod: | wtf? |
| [21:49:33] | j-rod: | bull. |
| [21:49:38] | AlmightyOatmeal: | Could someone point me in the proper direction... I have an ATI Home Theater remote and only half the buttons work. Navigation and the numberpad works, but the play/pause, extra function buttons, and volume do not work. Any help would be appreciated |
| [21:49:49] | j-rod: | most binary distros have been building that way for YEARS |
| [21:50:20] | j-rod: | the gentoo ebuild maintainer is welcome to contact me if there's an actual problem they can reproduce |
| [21:50:33] | j-rod: | but otherwise, I don't have the time to give a damn |
| [21:51:08] | ** AlmightyOatmeal hands j-rod a joint ** | |
| [21:51:51] | stuartm: | DeviceZer0: press INFO twice in |
| [21:51:55] | stuartm: | oops |
| [21:52:06] | j-rod: | thanks, but I don't smoke |
| [21:52:22] | stuartm: | ignore that, started to type a reponse earlier and then thought better of it |
| [21:52:32] | AlmightyOatmeal: | j-rod: i find that hard to believe but youre welcome, just seemed a little tense and thought i'd help :) |
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| [21:52:51] | j-rod: | nope, not tense at all, quite relaxed, actually |
| [21:53:21] | wagnerrp: | j-rod: it says 'When selecting multiple devices for lirc to be supported, it can not be guaranteed that the drivers play nice together' |
| [21:53:34] | j-rod: | that's retarded. |
| [21:53:48] | j-rod: | a single instance of lircd can only run one driver at a time |
| [21:54:03] | AlmightyOatmeal: | speaking of lirc.. *cough* :) |
| [21:54:06] | stuartm: | and a little hard to read |
| [21:54:26] | wagnerrp: | Cardoe: maybe you want to forward that to the proper maintainer ^^^^^ |
| [21:54:43] | j-rod: | you have to run two separate lircd instances to use two different drivers |
| [21:55:02] | Cardoe: | wagnerrp: hmm? |
| [21:55:13] | j-rod: | show me an *actual* case of breakage, or its just nonsense. |
| [21:55:36] | wagnerrp: | Cardoe: the lirc ebuild throws an ewarn if you have multiple LIRC_DEVICES defined |
| [21:55:49] | Cardoe: | hmm weird |
| [21:56:37] | Cardoe: | Probably cause what j-rod just said |
| [21:56:41] | Cardoe: | need multiple lircd instances |
| [21:56:53] | Cardoe: | and whoever runs that doesn't support multiple ones in the init script |
| [21:57:34] | j-rod: | fedora only supports one instance in its initscript, has been shipping an lirc userspace with all possible drivers enabled for at least 5 years |
| [21:57:49] | Cardoe: | oh |
| [21:57:51] | Cardoe: | So it works fine? |
| [21:58:01] | Cardoe: | Maybe I didn't read back far enough |
| [21:58:20] | j-rod: | yes, it works just fine |
| [21:58:27] | j-rod: | you can only *use* one at a time per instance |
| [21:58:40] | j-rod: | but a single lircd binary can support many different receiver types |
| [21:58:48] | AlmightyOatmeal: | oh, another issue i'm having is that my recorded tv shows have no audio in them |
| [21:59:04] | j-rod: | otherwise, how the hell could a binary distro distribute a binary? |
| [21:59:46] | Cardoe: | j-rod: I dunno.. I don't use it ;) |
| [21:59:58] | j-rod: | I don't either. |
| [21:59:59] | Cardoe: | I switched to a wireless keyboard for my MythTV setup years ago so I never think about it |
| [22:00:00] | j-rod: | :D |
| [22:00:42] | Cardoe: | wagnerrp: I'll get it taken care of |
| [22:00:42] | j-rod: | bluetooth tivo slide for my main system's remote, pure rc-core mceusb for my secondary |
| [22:00:55] | Cardoe: | rc-core? |
| [22:00:56] | j-rod: | lirc only in use for tx |
| [22:01:05] | j-rod: | in-kernel decode |
| [22:01:09] | wagnerrp: | no rush, been that way for years |
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| [22:01:19] | Cardoe: | wagnerrp: I've pushed some ebuild changes |
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| [22:01:27] | Cardoe: | But I've got to actually test them first |
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| [22:01:58] | wagnerrp: | we still had the 'experimental' flag in there? |
| [22:02:22] | Cardoe: | j-rod: So you finally got the mceusb merged into the kernel. Awesome job. :) I remember you were working on it a while back. |
| [22:03:11] | j-rod: | yep, just about everything driver-wise is in the upstream kernel now |
| [22:03:15] | j-rod: | in some form or another |
| [22:03:30] | j-rod: | multiple lirc_foo drivers rewritten to the new rc-core interfaces |
| [22:03:48] | j-rod: | and where applicable, lirc legacy support via an rc-core plugin driver |
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| [22:04:24] | Cardoe: | So what's lircd needed for? just legacy stuff? |
| [22:04:43] | j-rod: | yes and no... |
| [22:04:56] | j-rod: | you *can* make everything work w/o an lirc at all |
| [22:05:08] | AlmightyOatmeal: | i wish my ati home theater remote would work right :P |
| [22:05:28] | j-rod: | receive-side anyway, and as long as your remote of choice uses a standard IR protocol |
| [22:05:39] | j-rod: | less-common protocols will still require lircd userspace decode |
| [22:05:45] | j-rod: | and transmit currently still requires lircd |
| [22:07:21] | j-rod: | AlmightyOatmeal: not sure exactly what device you're talking about |
| [22:08:10] | Cardoe: | j-rod: very cool |
| [22:08:12] | AlmightyOatmeal: | j-rod: its a usb IR receiver + ati home theater remote.. it's similar to the remote wonders but came with my ati tv wonder 650 |
| [22:08:15] | j-rod: | I really need to do an updated lirc FAQ or something |
| [22:09:31] | AlmightyOatmeal: | j-rod: much happiness would ensue |
| [22:09:56] | j-rod: | similar to remote wonders is un-possible if its an IR receiver. the remote wonders are all RF. :) |
| [22:10:50] | j-rod: | I'm assuming you mean that the remote itself looks similar |
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| [22:11:11] | j-rod: | what does dmesg output look like when you plug in the receiver? |
| [22:11:28] | j-rod: | amd/ati's product pages are crap |
| [22:11:33] | AlmightyOatmeal: | j-rod: are you 100% sure? i thought the older remote wonder was IR and the newer remote wonders were RF |
| [22:11:36] | AlmightyOatmeal: | 2 sec |
| [22:11:53] | wagnerrp: | Cardoe: id like to leave the 0.24 ebuilds in the overlay unmasked |
| [22:12:03] | j-rod: | I have an RWII and an RW+. Both RF. |
| [22:12:04] | wagnerrp: | but there was actually something in core that was blocking it anyway |
| [22:12:18] | wagnerrp: | meaning even with the ebuild itself unmasked, the user still had to allow it |
| [22:12:26] | wagnerrp: | i cant recall what was causing it off hand |
| [22:13:01] | Cardoe: | wagnerrp: I'd like them to stay unmasked as well |
| [22:13:53] | Cardoe: | wagnerrp: are you talking about the ~x86 ~amd64? |
| [22:14:03] | AlmightyOatmeal: | j-rod: http://pastebin.com/WtEt79Xg |
| [22:14:05] | wagnerrp: | yeah, the keywords |
| [22:14:14] | Cardoe: | wagnerrp: its just marking them "unstable" |
| [22:14:16] | AlmightyOatmeal: | j-rod: want to send me one of your RWs? o:) |
| [22:14:29] | Cardoe: | wagnerrp: I can't commit them straight to Portage as "stable" |
| [22:14:39] | Cardoe: | wagnerrp: just have /etc/portage/package.keywords |
| [22:14:42] | wagnerrp: | right, which means the user has to add a line in package.keywords to allow them |
| [22:14:50] | Cardoe: | if they're running a stable system |
| [22:14:51] | wagnerrp: | but beyond that there was something else blocking them |
| [22:15:11] | Cardoe: | But mythtv-0.24.1 depends on packages that aren't stable |
| [22:15:14] | Cardoe: | So they'd have to have an ~arch system anyway |
| [22:15:20] | Cardoe: | or some packages in package.keywords as it is |
| [22:15:26] | j-rod: | AlmightyOatmeal: sorry, no. need 'em for when I get around to porting ati_remote and/or ati_remote2 over to rc-core |
| [22:15:48] | j-rod: | ok, yeah, that one's just showing up as an HID device |
| [22:15:53] | j-rod: | so onboard hardware decode |
| [22:16:14] | j-rod: | and you get whatever the hell they decide to spew out in the way of HID usages. |
| [22:16:21] | wagnerrp: | there was some block in the profile or something |
| [22:16:26] | wagnerrp: | but i cant seem to reproduce it |
| [22:16:33] | j-rod: | which for many remotes, is windows media center specific key combos |
| [22:16:40] | AlmightyOatmeal: | j-rod: that kinda sucks because half of the buttons don't work, including volume |
| [22:16:44] | wagnerrp: | well, no matter, if i figure out what i was talking about, ill try to ask more clearly |
| [22:16:45] | wagnerrp: | :) |
| [22:16:46] | j-rod: | ctrl-shift-f or whatever |
| [22:16:47] | AlmightyOatmeal: | well that sucks |
| [22:16:53] | Cardoe: | wagnerrp: I already fixed the profiles stuff |
| [22:16:54] | j-rod: | AlmightyOatmeal: see eventlircd |
| [22:17:03] | j-rod: | you can remap all that and make it usable |
| [22:17:04] | wagnerrp: | within the last few weeks? |
| [22:17:10] | Cardoe: | wagnerrp: I'm working on fixing up the Portage tree for any depend issues or blocking issues for 0.24 |
| [22:17:16] | Cardoe: | wagnerrp: yep within the last week and half |
| [22:17:22] | AlmightyOatmeal: | like when i go to map keys in mythtv half of them don't show up when it's time to set the function :( |
| [22:17:30] | wagnerrp: | well that would explain why i couldnt reproduce it |
| [22:17:36] | AlmightyOatmeal: | j-rod: i will look into that |
| [22:17:45] | wagnerrp: | my portage tree is set to automatically update daily |
| [22:17:48] | Cardoe: | wagnerrp: trying to make good on my promise to get your ebuilds into the tree |
| [22:18:19] | j-rod: | gotta head home, ttfn, folks |
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| [22:19:04] | Cardoe: | wagnerrp: right now with my branch you need "<media-tv/mythtv-0.25 ~amd64 ~x86" in your package.keywords |
| [22:19:33] | Cardoe: | my fork I should say |
| [22:20:07] | Cardoe: | Let's just hope my wife doesn't want to use it tonight |
| [22:20:19] | Cardoe: | I'm hoping no since nothing new recorded last night and nothing records tonight or Friday night |
| [22:20:27] | ** wagnerrp has tons of forks to use at his house ** | |
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| [22:21:47] | Cardoe: | wagnerrp: So I guess you guys dropped the need to pass in an MMX config switch and dropped pulseaudio support |
| [22:22:01] | thwg: | quick question – I upgraded my antenna to get a few more channels OTA and, for some reason, after running mythfilldatabase, I'm only getting a few hours of TV info on the new channels… and they aren't labeled as new, reruns, etc. What am I missing? |
| [22:22:01] | Cardoe: | wagnerrp: right now I'm just concerned with the 0.24 stuff |
| [22:22:29] | Cardoe: | thwg: Are you pulling your guide data OTA? |
| [22:22:43] | wagnerrp: | probably need to ask kormoc about that, i dont recall changing those |
| [22:22:44] | thwg: | Cardoe: I'm using SchedulesDirect |
| [22:23:01] | wagnerrp: | thwg: schedules direct would give you two weeks |
| [22:23:19] | thwg: | wagnerrp: I have 2 weeks worth on the channels I already had (prior to upgrading my antenna) |
| [22:23:22] | wagnerrp: | a couple hours sounds like youve enabled EIT polling, and have not supplied xmltvids for those channels |
| [22:23:45] | thwg: | wagnerrp: okay; thanks – I'll try to find that setting... |
| [22:23:46] | wagnerrp: | 12 hours of data is the minimum stations are required to provide |
| [22:24:00] | wagnerrp: | in the channel editor in mythtv-setup |
| [22:24:15] | wagnerrp: | mythfilldatabase will attempt to match up channels as best it can based off the callsign |
| [22:24:22] | wagnerrp: | and for broadcast channels, it generally does a decent job |
| [22:24:27] | wagnerrp: | but its not perfect |
| [22:24:38] | wagnerrp: | whatever it misses, you need to manually specify the xmltvid |
| [22:24:54] | wagnerrp: | you can find what that id is by mousing over it in your lineup on the schedules direct webpage |
| [22:25:02] | Cardoe: | A lot of times your local broadcaster does something dumb like "WABC-HDTV" in the OTA signal when Schedules Direct has "WABCHD" |
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| [22:25:16] | wagnerrp: | Cardoe: do you have any more changes planned in the near term? |
| [22:25:27] | Cardoe: | wagnerrp: nah |
| [22:25:28] | kormoc: | Cardoe, we auto-detect support for those now |
| [22:25:30] | wagnerrp: | otherwise, ill apply them, bump the versions, and commit |
| [22:25:40] | Cardoe: | kormoc: pulseaudio? |
| [22:25:56] | thwg: | wagnerrp: yep, they're now all set to "use on air guide" |
| [22:25:57] | kormoc: | Cardoe, aye. We might want to add in a pulse flag to get deps, but no need for mmx |
| [22:26:08] | Cardoe: | kormoc: yes pulse flag would be for deps |
| [22:26:14] | Cardoe: | otherwise we'll have automagical depends |
| [22:26:21] | wagnerrp: | thwg: make sure to disable that flag before adding the xmltv ids |
| [22:26:32] | Cardoe: | wagnerrp: I'm building my changes right now |
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| [22:27:42] | wagnerrp: | WABC... you in new york? |
| [22:27:57] | Cardoe: | I used to live there so I do remember it |
| [22:28:56] | wagnerrp: | oof... cant very well make new ebuilds if i dont have my distfiles mounted |
| [22:29:47] | Cardoe: | Now I have crazy stuff like WHNT and WAFF |
| [22:29:51] | Cardoe: | I have no idea what each are |
| [22:30:46] | thwg: | next question… mythtv seems to miss a lot of commercials; should I disable the strict checking? |
| [22:31:38] | wagnerrp: | you can try a different commflagging profile |
| [22:31:47] | wagnerrp: | but honestly, i have no idea how to configure that |
| [22:32:04] | wagnerrp: | no one has really done much for the commflagging algorithms in years |
| [22:33:55] | stuartm: | s/much/anything/ |
| [22:34:26] | stuartm: | I can't remember the last code change which was more than housekeeping |
| [22:35:05] | thwg: | wagnerrp: ok; thanks |
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| [22:35:44] | stuartm: | a lot of people like to talk about how they will improve flagging, few if any of them actually have the required skills or understanding and nothing ever comes of it, which is a real shame |
| [22:35:53] | sphery: | thwg: I've seen the same, too--it seems that the flagger is function-rotting as the format/encoding/editing of the upstream video sources changes |
| [22:36:33] | sphery: | thwg: I've actually seen it go from extremely accurate and precise to mostly--and on some channels, to not so much |
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| [22:36:57] | thwg: | sphery: so how do you have it configured? |
| [22:37:15] | sphery: | on the bright side, when non-US users complain that MythTV devs only care about commflagging for US users, we'll be able to prove them wrong, now :) |
| [22:37:21] | wagnerrp: | sphery: and really only in about the last year |
| [22:37:23] | sphery: | thwg: basically all defaults |
| [22:37:43] | wagnerrp: | sphery: to be fair, they are correct |
| [22:37:57] | thwg: | sphery: ok; I'm going to try disabling 'strict commercial detection' and see what happens... |
| [22:37:59] | wagnerrp: | mythtv devs only care about commflagging for US users |
| [22:38:00] | sphery: | wagnerrp: yeah, especially in the last year--but it seems that as the networks are gaining experience with HDTV, they're doing things differently enough that it borks our detector |
| [22:38:09] | wagnerrp: | s/mythtv devs/capt'm/ |
| [22:38:22] | sphery: | wagnerrp: no, they're not correct... One US dev was concerned with commercial flagging of his own recordings, so he wrote a flagger that worked for him. |
| [22:38:46] | wagnerrp: | ok, minor difference |
| [22:38:48] | sphery: | yeah, as it should be... the one guy who did something on it wrote something that works for him |
| [22:39:12] | sphery: | and those who are in different countries should write something that works for themselves and submit changes to us |
| [22:39:39] | wagnerrp: | thats what i keep telling people, but then they go and string something together in bash |
| [22:39:50] | sphery: | I have to admit, though, that I don't even care about comm detection in the US enough to actually do anything about our detector becoming less useful here |
| [22:40:06] | sphery: | ooh, yeah, I'll just do my own flagger with bash |
| [22:40:11] | sphery: | and sed |
| [22:40:15] | sphery: | and mysql command-line client |
| [22:40:50] | wagnerrp: | but hey, at least it gives less precise data _so_much_faster_ with the partial mpeg2 decode |
| [22:40:54] | stuartm: | it's a _lot_ of work for very little return, I'd be happy to keep hitting jump a few times every time it goes to the adverts |
| [22:41:34] | sphery: | heh, well it does until we re-sync ffmpeg |
| [22:41:47] | sphery: | (since they removed the partial decode/fast decode) |
| [22:41:59] | wagnerrp: | bugger |
| [22:42:04] | sphery: | actually, think that was specifically libav that removed it |
| [22:42:08] | sphery: | don't know if it also went into ffmpeg |
| [22:42:23] | ** sphery is quoting a wise lindoro ** | |
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| [22:42:34] | sphery: | well, not quoting, but paraphrasing |
| [22:42:38] | Cardoe: | kormoc: fftw was also removed as a USE flag but I see the configure script still reports about it.. is that another one where auto-detect works? |
| [22:42:39] | iamlindoro: | ThisNewGuy: Feel free to speak up re: MythMetadataLookup in the -users thread ;) |
| [22:43:12] | stuartm: | Cardoe: auto-detect works for fftw and has done for as long as I can remember |
| [22:43:20] | sphery: | we really need to get MythTV down to using a single implementation of fftw |
| [22:43:39] | sphery: | we're using fftw2 and fftw3 and ffmpeg's fftw |
| [22:43:44] | stuartm: | sphery: aye |
| [22:44:02] | Cardoe: | stuartm: right but removing the USE flag in the Gentoo ebuild now kicks back to automagical depends |
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| [22:44:10] | wagnerrp: | sphery: commflagging is probably one of those things that would make a good GSOC project |
| [22:44:18] | sphery: | Cardoe: even if it doesn't find the one that mythtv configure is looking for, it's no big deal because it uses ffmpeg's |
| [22:44:23] | Cardoe: | The package manager has no way to know that MythTV now depends on fftw |
| [22:44:36] | sphery: | fwiw, mythtv uses fftw3 |
| [22:44:46] | wagnerrp: | considering it has fairly little to do with mythtv, and a lot to do with image/video analysis |
| [22:44:46] | sphery: | mythmusic is fftw2, IIRC |
| [22:44:51] | stuartm: | well it doesn't, it's not a build requirement, more of a suggestion iirc |
| [22:44:54] | lxs-makoto: | hey. mythtvs really beginning to piss me off, all i want to do is watch tv. lets start with an easy one, the font size, its far too big for my liking, how do i decrease it? |
| [22:44:57] | sphery: | hope that gets removed with Paul's rewrite |
| [22:45:03] | stuartm: | sphery: mythmusic will use fftw3 if it's installed |
| [22:45:09] | wagnerrp: | lxs-makoto: change to a different theme |
| [22:45:12] | stuartm: | fftw2 otherwise |
| [22:45:22] | lxs-makoto: | its the theme that controlls the font size? |
| [22:45:27] | wagnerrp: | correct |
| [22:45:34] | lxs-makoto: | in that case where would i be looking to edit the theme files? |
| [22:45:49] | stuartm: | but fftw in mythmusic exists only for the visualisations which will either get re-written or culled |
| [22:45:58] | wagnerrp: | /usr/share/mythtv/ |
| [22:46:07] | Cardoe: | stuartm: it doesn't matter if its a build requirement, let's say a user decided to uninstall fftw, and MythTV was built against it.. the user now has a broken MythTV |
| [22:46:23] | lxs-makoto: | ok ty |
| [22:46:35] | sphery: | stuartm: is mythmusic using it only for visualizations? if so, I think we should just rip the whole visualizer in question out |
| [22:46:51] | sphery: | er, I just noticed you said it does |
| [22:47:06] | sphery: | wow, you're even faster than wagnerrp--you answer questions /before/ they're asked |
| [22:47:41] | sphery: | lxs-makoto: which font |
| [22:47:49] | sphery: | lxs-makoto: if you mean caption fonts, you're out of luck |
| [22:47:58] | stuartm: | Cardoe: you might as well be talking martian, I've no idea how gentoo packaging works, I think I must have misunderstood your original question to kormoc |
| [22:48:07] | sphery: | (at least until I get the last 5% done on my patch) |
| [22:48:08] | lxs-makoto: | no, just the ui |
| [22:48:17] | sphery: | then, yeah, theme |
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| [22:48:37] | bumblebeebat: | Hey guys, thanks for the help the other night, I got messing with the system and it looks like there was problem with the ram. I re-seated the dimm and it is a new system. For completeness I took a look at the backend log and noticed "LoadFromScheduler(): Error, called from backend." error. I googled but did not get any definite solution. I recently sent up a new harddrive could his be a permissions problem? |
| [22:48:39] | ** wagnerrp puts on a James Garner ** | |
| [22:48:44] | lxs-makoto: | the EPG, the channel names were absolutely HUGE, too big to be read. but ive found that and fixed it now. ty. |
| [22:48:48] | wagnerrp: | sphery: nah, im slow, but youre the slowest |
| [22:48:51] | sphery: | lxs-makoto: and note that changing a font size in a theme will basically mean reworking a ton of screens in the theme |
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| [22:49:03] | wagnerrp: | erm... puts on a hat |
| [22:49:11] | stuartm: | lxs-makoto: that was quick, which theme btw? |
| [22:49:23] | sphery: | lxs-makoto: since the theme was designed with text areas that fit the text with the specified font sizes |
| [22:49:49] | lxs-makoto: | the Mythbuntu theme |
| [22:49:57] | Cardoe: | stuartm: what distro do you use? |
| [22:49:59] | ** sphery thinks that the problem was actually that lxs-makoto doesn't have installed the font it asked for and got an X substitute that was much larger ** | |
| [22:50:08] | lxs-makoto: | it probably is the issue |
| [22:50:16] | stuartm: | lxs-makoto: ok thanks, it's not within my power to fix that theme, it's a third party one |
| [22:50:20] | lxs-makoto: | but im after a quick and dirty hack here. |
| [22:50:29] | lxs-makoto: | now, i remeber 4 months ago |
| [22:50:33] | stuartm: | Cardoe: mandriva |
| [22:50:39] | lxs-makoto: | my mythtv setup had lots more in the menu |
| [22:51:00] | lxs-makoto: | i could disable deinterlacing, enable subtitles etc, but none of that can be found in the menu now, why? |
| [22:51:13] | sphery: | lxs-makoto: because you're looking in the wrong place to find it |
| [22:51:22] | sphery: | the playback menu was completely reorganized |
| [22:51:25] | sphery: | nothing was removed, though |
| [22:51:29] | lxs-makoto: | oh |
| [22:51:32] | lxs-makoto: | i dont like it :| |
| [22:51:40] | lxs-makoto: | so where will i find it now? |
| [22:51:43] | sphery: | oh, and not that subtitles won't be offered if there are none |
| [22:51:47] | Cardoe: | stuartm: Well the mandriva .spec file for MythTV just references the fact that it may link against fftw, its the same thing as that. Need to give hints to the package manager. |
| [22:51:50] | sphery: | MENU, then look through what's there :) |
| [22:51:55] | stuartm: | that's all under mythfrontend, it's specific to the frontend – mythtvsetup configures the backend |
| [22:51:56] | sphery: | "Change is scary!!!!" |
| [22:52:17] | sphery: | wait, are you talking about playback menu |
| [22:52:21] | sphery: | or are you taking about settings |
| [22:52:32] | sphery: | if settings, they haven't moved much at all |
| [22:52:49] | wagnerrp: | unless hes running trunk, in which case they have moved considerably |
| [22:53:11] | sphery: | not so much... the qt settings ui is still very close to the same |
| [22:53:27] | stuartm: | sphery: one or two things got buried by that re-org, e.g. music tools which I use frequently for the music import screen |
| [22:53:53] | sphery: | ah, wagnerrp means the actual settings menu items |
| [22:54:00] | sphery: | versus the location of the settings themselves |
| [22:54:02] | stuartm: | I need to do something about that before 0.25 |
| [22:54:12] | wagnerrp: | right, the names are significantly different |
| [22:54:13] | sphery: | (i.e. the screens are the same, but where you navigate to access them is different) |
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| [22:55:12] | sphery: | yeah, so I was way off with my answer for lxs-makoto--I thought he meant that the playback OSD menu was missing stuff |
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| [22:55:30] | stuartm: | we're happy as always to make a confused situation worse :) |
| [22:55:34] | lxs-makoto: | im talking about the playback menu |
| [22:55:36] | sphery: | heh, yeah |
| [22:55:40] | lxs-makoto: | how can i get the old one back? |
| [22:55:44] | sphery: | playback menu? |
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| [22:55:47] | lxs-makoto: | yeah |
| [22:55:52] | stuartm: | sphery: osd menu probably |
| [22:55:54] | sphery: | you mean you're playing a recording now |
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| [22:56:03] | lxs-makoto: | uh no, im watching live |
| [22:56:06] | wagnerrp: | lxs-makoto: the thing you get when you hit 'm' duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuring playback? |
| [22:56:08] | sphery: | ok, same |
| [22:56:12] | sphery: | then my answer was right |
| [22:56:18] | sphery: | it's all there, but the menu was redesigned |
| [22:56:31] | sphery: | and in the redesign, it was made an order of magnitude (or 2) faster |
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| [22:56:32] | sphery: | for real |
| [22:56:36] | sphery: | so the old one isn't coming back |
| [22:56:37] | sphery: | :) |
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| [22:57:07] | sphery: | if anything, we may create an OSD Menu Theme (but the approach that was used before was a bad hack) |
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| [22:57:31] | lxs-makoto: | im watching live tv, i hit m, a menu called playback menu appears |
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| [22:57:38] | stuartm: | lxs-makoto: there is a logic to the organisation, deinterlacing is under 'video' > 'advanced', subtitles under 'subtitles' |
| [22:57:40] | ** iamlindoro finishes his Mike Dean style reply on the users list ** | |
| [22:57:41] | lxs-makoto: | this new menu i cant find stuff in it |
| [22:57:55] | lxs-makoto: | there is no advanced |
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| [22:58:05] | lxs-makoto: | and i see no subtitles menu. |
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| [22:58:33] | iamlindoro: | If anyone is using the metadata lookup stuff in master and is satisfied with it, feel free to speak up on the users list thread that's complaining about it not being as automatic as JAMU |
| [22:58:51] | iamlindoro: | Since the last thing I want is 1000x "I'm not upgrading to .25 because I don't want to lose JAMU" |
| [23:00:01] | sphery: | I'm still on MythTV 0.18 because I didn't want to lose mythlink.sh, so I can't speak up. |
| [23:00:13] | Cardoe: | wagnerrp: still compiling |
| [23:00:24] | stuartm: | lxs-makoto: certain items aren't shown if they aren't available, e.g. if there are no subtitles, you won't see the subtitles option, but I can't explain the missing deinterlacing stuff, it's there in the development version |
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| [23:00:34] | Cardoe: | I wish you guys would break this into nice neat little components |
| [23:00:44] | wagnerrp: | what do you mean? |
| [23:00:58] | Cardoe: | Like a protocol type library |
| [23:01:01] | sphery: | It had everything... bash script that executes mysql command-line client and outputs data in a pipe to a "here document" execution of Perl code that creates symlinks... |
| [23:01:03] | Cardoe: | server and a client |
| [23:01:06] | Cardoe: | But hey that's just me |
| [23:01:07] | sphery: | it's the way good code should be designed... |
| [23:01:43] | Cardoe: | sphery: yeah |
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| [23:02:08] | wagnerrp: | Cardoe: would be nice, but there would be a /massive/ amount of untangling of the libraries needed to pull that off |
| [23:02:10] | lxs-makoto: | the subtitles are availabe though, i have enabled them with the t key – but nothing in the menu :| |
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| [23:02:18] | Cardoe: | wagnerrp: I tried wayyyy back when |
| [23:02:21] | Cardoe: | Isaac hated it |
| [23:02:37] | wagnerrp: | and for what its worth, it would likely just result in a bunch of errors about users ending up with mismatched versions |
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| [23:02:44] | iamlindoro: | lxs-makoto: What version of MythTV are you using? |
| [23:02:46] | iamlindoro: | Sounds like .23 |
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| [23:02:57] | iamlindoro: | meaning you are very out of date and you really, really want to upgrade |
| [23:02:59] | Cardoe: | wagnerrp: Ship them together in the same tarballs |
| [23:03:04] | iamlindoro: | especially WRT subtitles |
| [23:03:31] | lxs-makoto: | v0.24.1 |
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| [23:03:36] | wagnerrp: | Cardoe: if people can compile and install only certain bits at a time, they will only compile and install certain bits at a time |
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| [23:04:03] | Cardoe: | wagnerrp: well you could then arguably point people at distro packages |
| [23:04:07] | stuartm: | lxs-makoto: what does appear in that menu for you? |
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| [23:04:20] | Cardoe: | wagnerrp: it would make it easier for distros to package |
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| [23:04:34] | Cardoe: | and there could be "official" backports for distros that don't stay up to date |
| [23:04:55] | lxs-makoto: | audio, video, subtitles, navigate,schedule, playback, source, jobs |
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| [23:05:02] | wagnerrp: | i just work here |
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| [23:05:21] | Cardoe: | wagnerrp: Honestly there's lots of programs out there in the world that have a client/server approach that build separately and the sky isn't burning in those projects |
| [23:05:22] | stuartm: | lxs-makoto: and under 'subtitles'? |
| [23:05:24] | iamlindoro: | lxs-makoto: You just said that subtitles *wasn't* available... so is it there, or not? |
| [23:05:29] | Cardoe: | wagnerrp: yeah I know |
| [23:05:34] | lxs-makoto: | its there now |
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| [23:05:43] | lxs-makoto: | i think i was on a channel where it wasnt available |
| [23:05:51] | lxs-makoto: | but where the deinterlacing gone? |
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| [23:06:56] | stuartm: | video > advanced > video scan – at least in development code, I'm not going to boot my 0.24.1 machine to check that tonight |
| [23:07:00] | wagnerrp: | Cardoe: well part of the issue is that we dont really have a separate client and server |
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| [23:07:15] | wagnerrp: | the frontend and backend each take maybe 15 seconds to compile on my machine |
| [23:07:26] | wagnerrp: | compared to >10min for the libraries |
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| [23:07:33] | stuartm: | we don't? |
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| [23:08:24] | wagnerrp: | stuartm: sure, we have separate binaries, but those binaries all put together only amount to a couple percent of the code base |
| [23:08:45] | wagnerrp: | there basically libraries, and application wrappers around those libraries |
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| [23:09:39] | stuartm: | I don't really see how building everything seperately really matters, except maybe on gentoo where no-one likes to install so much as a single binary they don't need because it might use a few hundred kb of precious disk space |
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| [23:10:39] | Cardoe: | stuartm: Other distros break out this stuff into multiple packages |
| [23:10:54] | lxs-makoto: | meh, i'll just find my old hdd, im pretty sure i had a .23 on there, with a messed up db. but fixing it will be worth the menu that makes more sense. |
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| [23:11:07] | wagnerrp: | right, and not infrequently it causes problems |
| [23:11:08] | stuartm: | Cardoe: for no good reason IMHO |
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| [23:11:14] | sphery: | what? |
| [23:11:30] | stuartm: | it's anal packager mentality, again IMHO |
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| [23:11:36] | sphery: | lxs-makoto is downgrading to 0.23 (and, presumably, never upgrading again) because he didn't like the new OSD MENU |
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| [23:11:47] | sphery: | crazy |
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| [23:12:11] | wagnerrp: | stuartm: there is some worth in breaking things apart |
| [23:12:18] | wagnerrp: | if just for a reduced dependency list |
| [23:12:24] | sphery: | emphasis on the word "breaking" |
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| [23:12:56] | wagnerrp: | but that would only ever be runtime dependencies, not buildtime |
| [23:13:05] | stuartm: | no-one breaks the dvb-utils packages out into a dozen packages for each app in that collection, so what's the big deal about doing the same for mythtv? |
| [23:13:10] | Cardoe: | wagnerrp: btw the build of my changes to the 0.24.1 worked |
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| [23:13:21] | Cardoe: | wagnerrp: so if you want to merge my fork back in and then bump stuff |
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| [23:13:46] | Cardoe: | wagnerrp: I'll go through and make a new fork and send you some fixes for QA warnings on the plugins |
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| [23:14:08] | wagnerrp: | at the moment, im just manually copying over the changes |
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| [23:14:30] | Cardoe: | wagnerrp: just do a git pull no? |
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| [23:14:48] | wagnerrp: | cant say |
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| [23:15:12] | Cardoe: | wagnerrp: now I'm confused |
| [23:15:19] | stuartm: | wagnerrp: for the most part the dependencies are shared by both frontend and backend anyway, the design of the libraries although not perfect is not entirely dumb, they are broken down along the necessary lines – core stuff required everywhere in libmythbase etc |
| [23:15:20] | Cardoe: | wagnerrp: do you need me to send you a pull request on github? |
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| [23:15:27] | wagnerrp: | as in... i dont know git that well to know if a 'git pull' would do it |
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| [23:15:41] | stuartm: | libmythtv could stand being broken up and of course we need to finish killing libmyth |
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| [23:15:50] | Cardoe: | wagnerrp: a git pull would do it |
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| [23:16:47] | wagnerrp: | well in any case, theyve all be manually merged over |
| [23:16:58] | Cardoe: | guess that works. |
| [23:16:58] | wagnerrp: | plus i applied a number of changes to 0.25 as well |
| [23:17:17] | wagnerrp: | as for the other use flags you were talking about |
| [23:17:21] | wagnerrp: | pulseaudio, fftw |
| [23:18:22] | wagnerrp: | actually, i dont see fftw as a configure option any longer |
| [23:18:35] | wagnerrp: | did that get removed in 0.25? |
| [23:18:44] | wagnerrp: | (the configure script) |
| [23:19:13] | Cardoe: | I'll look into it later |
| [23:19:20] | Cardoe: | I just didn't want to hold up your bumps |
| [23:19:52] | Cardoe: | wagnerrp: http://help.github.com/send-pull-requests/ |
| [23:20:04] | Cardoe: | wagnerrp: towards the bottom of the page |
| [23:20:11] | Cardoe: | Merging a Pull Request |
| [23:20:13] | Cardoe: | for the future |
| [23:23:02] | wagnerrp: | im not seeing an option for it in 0.24 either |
| [23:23:14] | wagnerrp: | are you talking about the core configure or the plugins configure? |
| [23:23:40] | Cardoe: | Once configure ran, I saw it spit out some messages |
| [23:23:47] | Cardoe: | it mentioned that stuff |
| [23:23:48] | wagnerrp: | oh |
| [23:24:03] | wagnerrp: | im not sure if we actually have an option to enable/disable that |
| [23:24:05] | Cardoe: | If its purely a magic depend, then so be it |
| [23:24:14] | wagnerrp: | if we do, its not advertised |
| [23:24:27] | wagnerrp: | maybe one of the many carried over from ffmpeg that are still active, but just not listed |
| [23:24:49] | Cardoe: | alright |
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| [23:27:57] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: any idea why the OSS option may have been left out of 0.25? |
| [23:29:06] | wagnerrp: | Cardoe: also, mythvideo has been removed from 0.25 |
| [23:29:23] | wagnerrp: | is there any clean way to force that get uninstalled during an upgrade |
| [23:29:32] | wagnerrp: | the best we could find was simply to add it as a blocker |
| [23:29:59] | Cardoe: | Yeah unfortunately that's the only way I know |
| [23:30:03] | Cardoe: | I'll do some research |
| [23:30:38] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: ignore that, i must have read something wrong |
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| [23:35:09] | wagnerrp: | Cardoe: im going to set pulseaudio as disabled by default |
| [23:35:49] | wagnerrp: | actually, im not sure how to do that |
| [23:36:09] | Cardoe: | just add a USE flag to it |
| [23:36:22] | Cardoe: | wagnerrp: what flags do you have to pass to the configure for pulse? |
| [23:36:42] | wagnerrp: | --disable-audio-pulseoutput |
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| [23:36:58] | wagnerrp: | i mean.. is there an option that only uses it if the system already has it? |
| [23:37:15] | k-man: | I'm curious as to why it appears that theme authors do not use some kind of templating system to assist with the theme generation |
| [23:37:43] | Cardoe: | wagnerrp: no. its a per package kind of thing |
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| [23:38:11] | k-man: | I feel like I must be missing some obvious reasoning as to why it is not useful? |
| [23:38:45] | wagnerrp: | so if i dont want mythtv to require it by default, '-pulseaudio' in IUSE? |
| [23:39:33] | Cardoe: | wagnerrp: yep |
| [23:39:38] | Cardoe: | The – is implied |
| [23:39:56] | Cardoe: | wagnerrp: the blocker btw will auto remove the package |
| [23:40:00] | wagnerrp: | oh, so a + forces it by default then? |
| [23:40:08] | Cardoe: | wagnerrp: unless the user has it hard on in their world file |
| [23:40:10] | Cardoe: | wagnerrp: yep |
| [23:40:53] | wagnerrp: | ok, and last thing.. logging |
| [23:41:18] | wagnerrp: | sphery or beirdo: what should i now be passing in the init script for logging? |
| [23:42:01] | wagnerrp: | just --logpath? |
| [23:43:37] | sphery: | --logpath /path/to/dir |
| [23:43:59] | Cardoe: | wagnerrp: which is /var/log/mythtv by default |
| [23:44:05] | wagnerrp: | what are the defaults to --loglevel/--verbose? |
| [23:44:12] | wagnerrp: | Cardoe: right |
| [23:44:12] | sphery: | loglevel is info |
| [23:44:18] | sphery: | verbose is general |
| [23:44:37] | sphery: | (all previously-vb-important stuff is now general at info level) |
| [23:44:52] | sphery: | and general is still general, but may be at various log levels |
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| [23:48:59] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: weird issue with log ordering |
| [23:49:14] | wagnerrp: | 'mythfrontend --verbose help' requires X server access |
| [23:49:40] | sphery: | heh, something we've fixed and broken at least 5 times throughout the years :) |
| [23:56:09] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: not that again |
| [23:56:19] | Beirdo: | I'll look at it tonight |
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