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| [00:00:01] | wagnerrp: | dont expect more than standard definition MPEG2 playback on that P3 |
| [00:00:21] | wagnerrp: | and dont expect a whole lot in terms of HD out of that P4 and Athlon |
| [00:00:24] | branden__: | I don't use the p3 since I stole its case |
| [00:00:25] | skd5aner: | iamlindoro: oddly enough – http://www.mythtvtalk.com/how-install-zsnes-6 . . . _64-a-11823/ |
| [00:00:42] | ** StevenR runs 32bit on this laptop (makes no sense to run 64bit) ** | |
| [00:01:05] | wagnerrp: | the higher end models (2GHz or better Athlon, 3GHz or better P4) should manage any broadcast MPEG2 you throw at it |
| [00:01:14] | wagnerrp: | but youre not going to get much h264 or vc1 |
| [00:01:14] | branden__: | I have only one computer that can run 64 bit. |
| [00:01:20] | wagnerrp: | like off an HDPVR or bluray |
| [00:01:37] | wagnerrp: | and even the MPEG2 on a bluray will give it trouble |
| [00:01:47] | skd5aner: | iamlindoro: I also haven't tried in the liast 8 months, so it could have gotten better – but I know I started playing around with it back in 2006/2007 and tried again last summer/fall and still didn't have much luck at the time |
| [00:01:49] | ** StevenR keeps considering a little nvidia-atom thing for a mythbox for his parents ** | |
| [00:02:05] | wagnerrp: | StevenR: it makes no sense not to run 64-bit |
| [00:02:13] | StevenR: | (they only have a freeview stream) |
| [00:02:18] | branden__: | I have only one gig of ram on the box. |
| [00:02:21] | iamlindoro: | skd5aner: I haven't done emulation in a while-- when I get the urge, it's usually for something supported by ScummVM, which runs wonderfully on pretty much anything at this point |
| [00:02:43] | wagnerrp: | IONs are usable, but not recommended for mythtv |
| [00:02:44] | branden__: | It is said the switching point of 32 bit to 64 bit is at 2 gigs of ram. |
| [00:02:55] | wagnerrp: | and they are highly recommended against for a backend |
| [00:03:12] | skd5aner: | iamlindoro: yea, at the time I thought it was probably better to try and run independent emulators, but an "all-in-one" might be a better way to go |
| [00:03:21] | StevenR: | wagnerrp: why. Where's the benefit to me on this laptop? I'm not at the limit of 32bit RAM. |
| [00:03:22] | wagnerrp: | branden__: the switching point of 32-bit to 64-bit is because 64bit systems have been out for 8 years now |
| [00:03:33] | wagnerrp: | x64_64 is the primary development platform for linux |
| [00:03:44] | skd5aner: | iamlindoro: last time I tried, I was goofing around getting wiimotes to connect via bluetooth – which wasn't too tough, but thought it'd make for a fun way to utilize the emulators |
| [00:03:55] | branden__: | I am just saying what the gentoo people told me. |
| [00:03:56] | wagnerrp: | if youre not on the primary development platform, youre going to run into more issues than if you were |
| [00:04:17] | wagnerrp: | the gentoo people are all about eeking out every last bit of performance, damn the consequences |
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| [00:04:30] | skd5aner: | iamlindoro: I get bit by the bug to toy around with gettin mythgame up and running, then I realize that I don't really play the 5–10 consoles I have laying around the house much anyway |
| [00:04:32] | wagnerrp: | and 64-bit applications will use more memory than 32-bit ones |
| [00:04:33] | branden__: | #gentoo |
| [00:04:52] | branden__: | I only have one gig of ram on this box |
| [00:05:19] | branden__: | I was told between two and up is the change over point. |
| [00:05:38] | iamlindoro: | skd5aner: I have more or less become one of the primary Stewards of MythGame, though I don't use it quite as much as I would like. It needs an overhaul in a couple of ways, and I'd like to make it somewhat more mythvideo like-- I game it metadata lookup before .24, but in the fall I will try to find time for interface improvements |
| [00:05:46] | iamlindoro: | er I gave it |
| [00:06:10] | branden__: | Is mythtv very ram intensive? |
| [00:06:51] | skd5aner: | iamlindoro: yea, I thought the metadata thing was pretty cool! It was right after .24 launched that I gave it a go because of that change |
| [00:06:56] | iamlindoro: | A big problem with it right now is the fact that the UI and the DB querying are very wrapped up together-- I'd like to break out the DB methods and the UI, then improving it will be much easier-- it needs seperate metadata, scanning, and UI classes, and they're all mashed together right now |
| [00:07:00] | wagnerrp: | branden__: anyone who says two and up doesnt know what theyre talking about |
| [00:07:23] | wagnerrp: | they say two because 32-bit systems are limited to 4GB, and there is a kernelspace/userspace split |
| [00:07:28] | branden__: | wagnerrp, I wonder if x264 encoding will be faster? |
| [00:07:37] | wagnerrp: | on windows, that default split is 2GB for each |
| [00:07:47] | wagnerrp: | on linux, its 3GB for userspace, 1GB for kernelspace |
| [00:07:58] | branden__: | ??? |
| [00:08:14] | wagnerrp: | meaning for performance, the time to switch is actually somewhere past 3GB |
| [00:08:18] | wagnerrp: | maybe 3.5GB or so |
| [00:08:40] | branden__: | So should I switch is the question? |
| [00:08:46] | skd5aner: | iamlindoro: in the .24 development time, I had a few patches I started to work on, but stopped because your metadata stuff kind of surpassed what I was trying to accomplish – which was parse artwork and stuff a little easier based on matchin the name of a a game with a matching image name, etc |
| [00:09:11] | wagnerrp: | you should switch to 64-bit for stability reasons, not performance ones |
| [00:09:27] | wagnerrp: | and if youre concerned about performance between 32-bit and 64-bit, just buy a new computer |
| [00:09:51] | branden__: | Saving up for a new one. |
| [00:10:05] | wagnerrp: | how much do you think a new one will cost? |
| [00:10:38] | branden__: | Well I am also waiting for amd to release its' new bulldozer architecture. |
| [00:11:13] | branden__: | That and I can't afford much intel stuff |
| [00:11:47] | skd5aner: | so, what's the story on mythweb – sounds like kormoc and xris have kind of abandoned it for other TODOs – are they going to go into a "keep the lights on" type of maintence mode? I know I've got at least 1 ticket with patches on it for mythweb – I hope someone is willing to look at it before the next release |
| [00:11:59] | wagnerrp: | a 3GHz Athlon II, 4GB of memory, and microatx board runs for around $140 |
| [00:12:13] | branden__: | How many cores? |
| [00:12:17] | branden__: | just joking |
| [00:12:18] | wagnerrp: | tack on a $25 nvidia graphics card, and you have a very nice mythtv system |
| [00:12:19] | wagnerrp: | 2 |
| [00:12:24] | branden__: | Really? |
| [00:13:02] | wagnerrp: | its another $100 if you need a case, power supply, and IR sensor |
| [00:13:15] | branden__: | I should stop. |
| [00:13:35] | wagnerrp: | 2.9GHz sandybridge system will be about $30 more than the AMD guts |
| [00:13:47] | wagnerrp: | but you can forgo the nvidia graphics |
| [00:14:03] | branden__: | I have a nice nvidia card. |
| [00:14:08] | branden__: | but it is agp. |
| [00:14:19] | branden__: | geforce 7600 GS |
| [00:14:39] | skd5aner: | iamlindoro: this was the article I was refering to – http://www.zsnes.com/index.php?page=news – check out the Dec 28, 2006 entry... not sure it's really changed since then since no development on it since that time period. Maybe I'll get back into researching other good alternatives for emulators |
| [00:14:48] | wagnerrp: | you havent been able to buy a system that supported AGP for some time |
| [00:15:02] | iamlindoro: | skd5aner: I think enough of us Use Mythweb that it will maintain at least baseline functionality, even if those of us who aren't web devs have to learn a bit to keep it functioning |
| [00:15:09] | branden__: | You now understand how old my computer is then. |
| [00:15:19] | iamlindoro: | skd5aner: There's always snes9x :) |
| [00:16:03] | skd5aner: | iamlindoro: yea, for some reason I either wasn't able to get that working too or avoided it... but I've slept way too much since then to remember what was going on – I need to just start from scratch again :) |
| [00:16:16] | iamlindoro: | skd5aner: I do intend to see the Metadata Lookup stuff in Mythweb for .25, though I'd prefer it get a review by a MythWeb maintainer... my reading of it is that it's fine, but I want maintainers to have ownership of their own code, even if they're taking a break |
| [00:16:46] | skd5aner: | yea – it's always easier to review and approve than to create from scratch |
| [00:16:54] | wagnerrp: | especially for something as big as the metadata stuff |
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| [00:17:46] | skd5aner: | I appreciate what xris and kormoc have put into mythweb over the years – it's really a standout feature |
| [00:18:03] | iamlindoro: | Thankfully the patch isn't that complicated-- all the work happens on the API side... so hopefully if one of them can't test it they can at least rubber-stamp it |
| [00:18:06] | branden__: | Just a random question because i have not had to take a look yet, but what programming language or programming languages is mytv written in? |
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| [00:18:09] | skd5aner: | the "upcomming recordings" page is well worth it alone |
| [00:18:26] | skd5aner: | way easier to understand what's scheduled than via how it's displayed in the frontend |
| [00:18:28] | wagnerrp: | C++, with QT extensions |
| [00:18:49] | branden__: | No C? |
| [00:18:56] | skd5aner: | ++ |
| [00:19:01] | wagnerrp: | plus a smattering of C, ASM, Python, PHP, and a bunch of XML for the themes |
| [00:19:23] | wagnerrp: | most of the decoder libraries inherited from ffmpeg are C, with a whole lot of ASM |
| [00:19:39] | wagnerrp: | some of the other high performance stuff like audio processing is C |
| [00:19:45] | skd5aner: | branden__: http://www.ohloh.net/p/mythtv/analyses/latest |
| [00:19:53] | wagnerrp: | but the bulk of mythtv is C++ |
| [00:21:02] | branden__: | Not to be rude, but I have heard you have to define a lot of stuff in asm. |
| [00:21:46] | iamlindoro: | Not only is that not rude, it doesn't even make sense |
| [00:22:05] | wagnerrp: | as mentioned, we didnt write the ASM |
| [00:22:10] | wagnerrp: | we inherited it from ffmpeg |
| [00:22:23] | branden__: | ok |
| [00:23:30] | ThisNewGuy: | iamlindoro: sorry – kids n' dinner n' stuff – working on it now – we can't all be as fast as you :p |
| [00:23:40] | iamlindoro: | ThisNewGuy: only teasing ;) |
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| [00:24:54] | ThisNewGuy: | I know :) – I'm gonna try to get it all in one patch so as not to clutter up the ticket – the hardest part will probably be formatting the extra info (description, year) – btw I still can't find that typo |
| [00:25:29] | iamlindoro: | ThisNewGuy: FWIW the API contains code to return a file in any storage group-- could easily add artwork to the recording details page. If you were interested in that/artwork picking of lookups as a secondary project, I could add APIs to get/set the artwork map for a given inetref and season # |
| [00:26:42] | iamlindoro: | ThisNewGuy: eg BackendServerIP:6544/Content/GetFile?StorageGroup=Fanart&FileName=Archer Season 1_fanart.jpg |
| [00:26:56] | iamlindoro: | can use those URLs to display the artwork directly |
| [00:27:19] | iamlindoro: | You'd just need an API to feed in the returned inetref and season and get back the right filenames |
| [00:27:43] | iamlindoro: | Obviously that's secondary to getting the lookup working... but just in case you were interested |
| [00:29:09] | ThisNewGuy: | iamlindoro: sounds cool – that's not a big itch of mine but it might be a cool next step |
| [00:31:53] | Shadow__X: | what does exit status 230 stand for in mythtranscode as it is not listed on the wiki |
| [00:32:10] | wagnerrp: | depends, what version are you running? |
| [00:32:44] | Shadow__X: | v0.24.1-53-gb43b015 |
| [00:32:50] | Shadow__X: | .24.1 |
| [00:33:35] | Shadow__X: | mythtranscode is only erroring out of its always sunny episodes. http://pastebin.com/DLriP7be |
| [00:33:42] | Shadow__X: | chicago code worked fine |
| [00:40:58] | Shadow__X: | i did notice it detects the height as 1088 instead of 1080 |
| [00:41:48] | iamlindoro: | That's not relevant, 1088 is normal |
| [00:42:19] | Shadow__X: | oh ok. then is it failed to decode frame position was 0? |
| [00:43:25] | iamlindoro: | Yes, it's likely running into some corruption that it can't get past, mythtranscode is not very fault tolerant |
| [00:45:51] | Shadow__X: | is it also likely that numerous its always sunny episodes have the same issues that where recorded on different days and different times? |
| [00:46:07] | iamlindoro: | From the same channel and source? |
| [00:46:14] | Shadow__X: | yes |
| [00:46:22] | iamlindoro: | then yes, it's entirely possible |
| [00:46:49] | Shadow__X: | i will try some futurama episodes then, as they are the same channel as source as well |
| [00:47:46] | Shadow__X: | or would the issue be limited to the same program? |
| [00:48:12] | iamlindoro: | impossible to know |
| [00:48:27] | iamlindoro: | I can't guess what your cable system's issue are based on mythtranscode failing on it |
| [00:48:45] | iamlindoro: | Can only tell you that mythtranscode is running into an uncorrectable decoding error |
| [00:48:53] | Shadow__X: | sorry i didnt expect that i was just wondering based on your experience |
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| [02:04:14] | ThisNewGuy: | iamlindoro: 9939 updated with new patch |
| [02:04:31] | iamlindoro: | ThisNewGuy: thanks |
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| [02:25:57] | k-man: | I really think the themes should be made submodules in mythtv |
| [02:26:09] | k-man: | at least the themes under /mythtv/themes |
| [02:26:36] | k-man: | it is very hard in git work on a theme outside of mythtv if it is not a submodule imho |
| [02:27:01] | k-man: | and the change should be transparent I think, to most users |
| [02:28:24] | sphery: | so you're saying that working on Terra or MythCenter* is difficult because you have to download the entire repo of mythtv core and mythplugins? |
| [02:28:35] | k-man: | sphery, well – not quite |
| [02:29:35] | k-man: | but for instance, I made a fork of MythCenter so I could work on it outside of the source for mythtv – now I'd like to be able to do some comparison between my fork and the original MythCenter theme |
| [02:29:53] | k-man: | its not easy to do that now because MythCenter is not an independant repo |
| [02:30:27] | sphery: | well, my plan involves moving terra and mythcenter out of mythtv (and into myththemes or external repos somewhere) and only have default/default-wide in mythtv and it would be a full-fledged theme and the default theme |
| [02:30:55] | sphery: | only problem is we need an all-new, designed from the ground up for mythui, complete default and default-wide theme before we can |
| [02:31:20] | k-man: | it also means the chagnes I'm making are harder to merge into the original |
| [02:31:23] | sphery: | not sure if/how you could do the comparison you want, but someone else might know |
| [02:32:11] | k-man: | sphery, I know I _could_ do it using various diffs and whathave you |
| [02:32:58] | k-man: | I'm more suggesting that for little or no change in our work, and a mere git command, the themes could be made into submodules, that would make life easier for others working on th themes |
| [02:33:26] | k-man: | and also make it trivial for you to move them out of mythtv code when the time comes (trivial in terms of git, not in terms of coding :) |
| [02:34:03] | wagnerrp: | trivial now means trivial later |
| [02:34:03] | sphery: | seems sensible |
| [02:34:10] | wagnerrp: | and as far as git things go |
| [02:34:21] | wagnerrp: | i dont thing sphery and i are the right people to talk to |
| [02:34:26] | sphery: | but ^^^ |
| [02:34:36] | k-man: | ok – who is? |
| [02:34:38] | sphery: | yeah, others know git/make the git decisions |
| [02:34:42] | wagnerrp: | beirdo or xris |
| [02:35:04] | k-man: | ok thanks |
| [02:35:35] | wagnerrp: | i wonder if submodule is something we could have done for mythweb and nuvexport |
| [02:35:39] | k-man: | wagnerrp, correct, it would be trivial nor or later – but it would give me benefits now if done now :) |
| [02:36:19] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: possibly, not sure off hand... too much mpegts.c filling me head |
| [02:36:56] | k-man: | Beirdo, i'd like to request MythCenter be made a submodule in git |
| [02:36:59] | k-man: | please :) |
| [02:37:04] | wagnerrp: | arrr... not the mpegts.c, blast it all to davey jones's locker |
| [02:38:55] | Beirdo: | k-man: not right now. Not by me anyways :) |
| [02:39:33] | Beirdo: | we should look into that though |
| [02:40:11] | wagnerrp: | k-man: basically, beirdo, xris, and janne are the only ones who seem to know the internals of git well enough to do stuff like that |
| [02:40:21] | wagnerrp: | janne is busy on other projects |
| [02:40:25] | wagnerrp: | xris got a real life |
| [02:40:40] | wagnerrp: | and beirdo? seems hes drunk on video transform algorithms |
| [02:40:44] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [02:40:54] | Beirdo: | j-rod could well do too if he has time |
| [02:41:48] | Beirdo: | right now, I'm fighting with #9926, in case you were curious |
| [02:43:44] | k-man: | if I work out what needs to be done and potential impact, would that help? |
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| [02:47:43] | [R]: | wagnerrp: im contemplaing switching to master... do you use it? |
| [02:47:51] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [02:48:02] | [R]: | it's not going to kill my first born? |
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| [02:49:51] | xris: | wagnerrp: git? huh? |
| [02:50:05] | xris: | oh, submodule stuff... |
| [02:50:26] | xris: | yeah, we were going to make the theme stuff into some sort of third-party submodule setup on github.... |
| [02:54:29] | k-man: | xris, please consider doing MythCenter |
| [02:54:35] | k-man: | as I would find it helpful |
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| [02:57:47] | xris: | k-man: the hope is that all of the themes get pushed off to third-party repositories owned by their maintainers. |
| [02:58:12] | xris: | then the mythtv-themes project at github basically becomes a read-only aggregation of the theme repos |
| [02:58:21] | k-man: | xris, still, it would be helpful to make it a submodule |
| [02:59:00] | k-man: | even helpful for people like me trying to work on a theme (so it could head towards being independant of mythtv) |
| [02:59:03] | k-man: | imho |
| [02:59:33] | k-man: | and once a theme is satisfactorily being maintained by an external dev, the submodule could be removed from mythtv? |
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| [03:02:31] | iamlindoro: | kormoc: xris: http://www.fecitfacta.com/upcoming.png ;) |
| [03:02:39] | GWG: | My HDPVR seems to be nonfunctional |
| [03:02:58] | GWG: | Is that internal cheaper version compatible yet, or do I need to buy a full HDPVR again? |
| [03:03:09] | xris: | iamlindoro: what's resizing the images? |
| [03:03:23] | iamlindoro: | GWG: The colossus is 100% different hardware, and is unlikley ever to have linux drivers |
| [03:03:30] | GWG: | Darn it. |
| [03:03:36] | xris: | the biggest blocker I've had against adding fan art to myth web is that it's too high res for web use. |
| [03:03:44] | GWG: | I can't get a cablecard, I have a malfunctioning HDPVR... |
| [03:03:48] | iamlindoro: | xris: Nothing, banners are tiny by nature, a couple K a piece |
| [03:04:04] | xris: | oh, cool. didn't know there was a banner format. |
| [03:04:25] | xris: | are there api requests for fanart now? |
| [03:04:40] | iamlindoro: | You can request any artwork type you like, for both video and recordings, through the API |
| [03:04:50] | iamlindoro: | banners, fanart, or coverart |
| [03:05:22] | xris: | nice |
| [03:05:38] | xris: | so wish I had time to redo mythweb… |
| [03:05:57] | ** xris curses osx lion's new smart auto-spelling-fix. it is *not* myth web.... ** | |
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| [03:10:34] | wagnerrp: | thats one busy little recorder |
| [03:11:09] | xris: | iamlindoro: you have a patch for that, or was that just a conceptt? |
| [03:11:40] | wagnerrp: | theres a ticket open for it |
| [03:11:43] | iamlindoro: | It's the real thing, but nothing I'd want committed for now (my backend IP is hardcoded into the template for the <img> tag |
| [03:11:46] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: nuh uh |
| [03:12:03] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: This is not related to that |
| [03:12:09] | wagnerrp: | oh, thats not what #9939 does? |
| [03:12:16] | iamlindoro: | no |
| [03:12:42] | iamlindoro: | #9939 uses the metadata lookup API for setting inetref/season/episode when setting up recording rules |
| [03:12:45] | wagnerrp: | stupid suse... why cant you have a normal BIND configuration like everyone else |
| [03:13:00] | wagnerrp: | cant get the reverse lookup zones working |
| [03:13:04] | iamlindoro: | This is the API I just wrote/committed to allow pulling up the artwork for a given inetref/season/type |
| [03:13:06] | wagnerrp: | and its borking pvm as a result |
| [03:13:07] | xris: | iamlindoro: yeah, you'd at least want to write something into mythweb so it can grab/cache the banner on its own |
| [03:13:13] | xris: | or it'll never work outside a firewall |
| [03:13:37] | iamlindoro: | xris: Yeah, that's true-- anyway, it was just to test the API I just added |
| [03:15:02] | xris: | looks nice, though |
| [03:15:21] | xris: | still makes me want to completely redesign that whole screen, though. heh. |
| [03:15:24] | xris: | and the recording screen. |
| [03:17:05] | iamlindoro: | It does splash it up a bit, so that's nice |
| [03:19:04] | xris: | in my mind, I want to completely reorganize it. merge tv and video into a single UI. organize by category, genre, etc.. |
| [03:19:30] | xris: | we'll see what happens if my product gets picked up as an actual thing.. and I can hire a team and launch it at the end of the year... |
| [03:23:16] | wagnerrp: | seems suse's autogeneration tool is broken, fun! |
| [03:24:30] | wagnerrp: | i guess i should just have the dhcp generator write that one too |
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| [03:48:35] | wagnerrp: | PVM wont function without a hosts file? WTF... |
| [03:49:26] | iamlindoro: | xris: kormoc: There, added dynamic resizing for images to the API. Now if you request a fanart/banner/screenshot/coverart, you can also specify dimensions and the BE will resize and save a resized copy for future use |
| [03:50:14] | iamlindoro: | So BackendServerIP:6544/Content/GetRecordingArtwork?Type=Fanart&Inetref=79511&a mp;Season=4&Width=500 will give you a 500 pixel wide Fanart for that inetref and season |
| [03:50:29] | iamlindoro: | (Specifically, that's a 500 pixel wide Fanart for Torchwood Season 4) |
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| [03:51:39] | iamlindoro: | That particular fanart ends up being 35K |
| [03:55:26] | xris: | iamlindoro: not bad. still pretty big for dialup, but good enough for most mythtv users. |
| [03:55:45] | xris: | but I'm old school. would prefer my entire site's worth of images to take up under 100k. heh |
| [03:55:50] | iamlindoro: | xris: That's uncompressed, I'm testing 60% quality right now to see how it is |
| [03:56:04] | xris: | 60–65% is usually great for web. |
| [03:56:08] | xris: | or save as an optimized 8 bit png |
| [03:56:18] | xris: | (the open source equivalent of gif) |
| [03:59:19] | iamlindoro: | Gets the 500x281 Fanart down to 16K |
| [03:59:43] | iamlindoro: | Not too shabby, all things considered |
| [04:00:08] | iamlindoro: | If you *do* decide to incorporate all the imagery, hopefully you can let the entire site take a *bit* more than 100K ;) |
| [04:04:01] | xris: | :) |
| [04:04:14] | xris: | well, screenshots on the recording list page are already too big. :) |
| [04:05:53] | iamlindoro: | xris: Could always hook into the API instead of mythpreviewgen so you'd get 60% JPGs |
| [04:06:17] | xris: | so as a parent, I now desire some sort of filtering on the recording page. i usually watch from the "all/recent" list, but now it has 50x more stuff in it for my kid than for me. |
| [04:06:39] | xris: | iamlindoro: I think it does for half of them.. just not the rec page. |
| [04:07:12] | iamlindoro: | xris: I was under the impression that you guys hadn't hooked any part of MythWeb into the new API |
| [04:08:55] | xris: | I remember at least playing with the preview stuff a couple years ago when dblain wrote it. I was part of the reason for it, since there was no other easy way to get different-sized screencaps |
| [04:09:30] | iamlindoro: | I referring to the services API, which is only a couple months old |
| [04:09:58] | iamlindoro: | That's where all of what I am referring to is |
| [04:10:45] | xris: | ah |
| [04:10:51] | wagnerrp: | xris, thats not old school, thats absurd |
| [04:10:56] | xris: | then no. and of course for lack of time |
| [04:11:25] | iamlindoro: | Well anyway, it's all there if you or kormoc decide to pick it up again |
| [04:11:56] | xris: | wagnerrp: for mythweb, yes. |
| [04:11:58] | xris: | not for something like http://wingmanbrewers.com/ |
| [04:12:16] | ** xris is more likely to write something in python these days, vs php ** | |
| [04:12:38] | wagnerrp: | its absurd even for that |
| [04:12:51] | wagnerrp: | SOME people want pinups of beer stills and cookers |
| [04:13:47] | wagnerrp: | and.... dry hopping |
| [04:13:49] | wagnerrp: | :) |
| [04:20:11] | xris: | wagnerrp: that's what gallery pages are for. but the main pages should load in a fraction of a second. |
| [04:20:17] | xris: | esp. with google penalizing sites for slow loading these days. |
| [04:20:25] | wagnerrp: | ah, right... ill agree with that |
| [04:20:26] | xris: | or for sites like that one that live on home cable connections. |
| [04:20:52] | xris: | then again, we can't make beer fast enough.. so we must be doing something right. (more likely the tasty beer than the website, though) |
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| [04:41:51] | k-man: | if you drop a theme into ~/.mythtv/themes do you have to restart mythtv for it to show up? or will it show up in then choose theme menu once you go there? |
| [04:41:54] | Beirdo: | OK, that's one headache done with |
| [04:43:27] | k-man: | also, I just realised I forked my MythCenter from master rather than fixes – but it works fine in fixes except there is an extra button for meta data that does nothing. |
| [04:46:46] | k-man: | just going back the the git submodule thing – because it is not a submodule, it makes it hard for my chagnes to track the HEAD changes in the mythtv git repo |
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| [04:53:29] | ** xris didn't know that git had HEAD… :) ** | |
| [04:53:43] | Beirdo: | it does |
| [04:53:54] | Beirdo: | that's how you can git reset HEAD^ |
| [04:53:55] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [04:56:25] | xris: | it has multiple HEADs.. |
| [04:56:29] | xris: | vs one in svn or cvs. |
| [04:56:32] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [04:56:39] | Beirdo: | it gets a lot of HEAD |
| [04:56:39] | xris: | that's what I was trying to get at. |
| [04:56:41] | xris: | lol |
| [04:56:46] | Beirdo: | sorry, couldn't resist |
| [04:57:05] | wagnerrp: | quick, get the torch! |
| [05:02:33] | k-man: | I meant master |
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| [05:07:28] | Beirdo: | Hmmm, maybe I should see if I can reproduce mythnews biting it |
| [05:08:25] | Beirdo: | still not 100% sure if that's just a 0.24-ish thing that we've fixed since or now |
| [05:08:28] | Beirdo: | not rather |
| [05:26:58] | k-man: | out of interest, are any of the themes generated using some kind of templating? |
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| [05:36:58] | bumblebeebat: | Hi Everyone, I have some hd-pvr's and they work great. I set a system up for a friend and there system is unstable. The HD-PVR needs to be power once or twice a night. I am a big fan of the hd-pvr. It is a device that can make mythtv work with almost any source, just brilliant. I want to help contribute getting this rock solid stable. Any suggestions on where to start. The hd-pvr linux driver, tabulating info about what sources crash the box, or |
| [05:36:58] | bumblebeebat: | the myth code? Is there any a bug report for this instability? |
| [05:40:31] | [R]: | usb is flaky |
| [05:42:55] | bumblebeebat: | So it would be a chipset driver problem |
| [05:43:14] | Beirdo: | most likely |
| [05:43:19] | Beirdo: | unless it's overheating |
| [05:43:40] | bumblebeebat: | Nope, It is in a pretty cool place |
| [05:44:01] | Beirdo: | then it's likely the chipset being flaky |
| [05:44:19] | k-man: | is there a device like the hdpvr that outputs over ethernet rather than usb? |
| [05:44:26] | Beirdo: | no |
| [05:44:33] | k-man: | thats a shame |
| [05:44:49] | k-man: | maybe someone should petition silicon dust to make one |
| [05:45:05] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [05:45:36] | bumblebeebat: | Hummm, flaky usb that might be more than I can bite off,lol |
| [05:46:04] | k-man: | I use an hdhr and damn that thing is solid! |
| [05:46:11] | bumblebeebat: | might be easier to get a new board |
| [05:46:55] | bumblebeebat: | Is there anyone working on Colossus drivers. |
| [05:47:18] | bumblebeebat: | that would take the USB out of the equation. |
| [05:47:58] | Beirdo: | not that we've been made aware of |
| [05:51:31] | bumblebeebat: | OK, cool |
| [05:54:47] | bumblebeebat: | Does anyone know if a list of the flaky chipsets has been compiled. |
| [05:57:18] | Beirdo: | I'm sure google could tell you that |
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| [06:09:58] | k-man: | are we talking about chipsets on motherboards? or chipsets in capture cards? |
| [06:10:03] | k-man: | or some other thing? |
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| [06:33:11] | bumblebeebat: | Thanks guys, I will google and see if I can identify problematic chipsets. |
| [06:34:02] | [R]: | bumblebeebat: i wound up getting a pci usb card |
| [06:34:35] | [R]: | not one with a crappy VIA chipset though |
| [06:36:38] | bumblebeebat: | ok, no via, can anyone suggest a solid card. |
| [06:37:22] | k-man: | its crap that all these cards are usb imho |
| [06:37:35] | [R]: | bumblebeebat: i got something on like ebay |
| [06:37:39] | [R]: | just make sure its not a VIA chip |
| [06:37:39] | k-man: | even the damn PCI ones just have USB interfaces on them |
| [06:43:35] | bumblebeebat: | has anyone heard of problems with usb 3.0 card. I know they are supposed to be backward compatible |
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| [06:50:08] | bumblebeebat: | Looks like the Rosewill RAOC-11001 has an nec chip |
| [06:51:10] | bumblebeebat: | I will try that. I will keep you guys posted on my success. Thanks |
| [06:52:01] | [R]: | thats what i have |
| [06:52:02] | [R]: | a NEC |
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| [06:56:01] | bumblebeebat: | Thanks [R] |
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| [07:51:05] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: still up? |
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| [08:02:45] | Beirdo: | yup |
| [08:02:53] | Beirdo: | not sure why, but I am :) |
| [08:03:07] | wagnerrp: | something to consider when youre doing the mythgallery stuff |
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| [08:03:34] | wagnerrp: | some guy over on the mythtvtalk forum was asking about interfacing with xbmc |
| [08:03:37] | wagnerrp: | i asked him why |
| [08:03:57] | wagnerrp: | it was specifically because of a plugin that allowed him to interface with iphoto |
| [08:04:12] | Beirdo: | oh jee |
| [08:04:13] | Beirdo: | z |
| [08:04:47] | Beirdo: | I guess that could be a possibility. Is there a public API for it? |
| [08:04:55] | wagnerrp: | i dont know if you have any thought for a generic interface, a la mythweather/metadata |
| [08:05:48] | Beirdo: | not yet |
| [08:06:11] | Beirdo: | iPhoto. heh |
| [08:06:22] | Beirdo: | lame. anyways :) |
| [08:06:28] | wagnerrp: | hmm... iphoto is an editing program |
| [08:06:34] | Beirdo: | I guess it can be done |
| [08:06:39] | wagnerrp: | i figured it was some gallery/management program |
| [08:06:52] | wagnerrp: | makes me wonder how exactly this was interfacing |
| [08:07:13] | Beirdo: | yeah, hard to say |
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| [08:09:41] | Psy123: | Hi all. |
| [08:10:04] | Psy123: | Im looking for some help with System Events |
| [08:10:18] | wagnerrp: | you the guy from the mythtvtalk forum? |
| [08:10:25] | Psy123: | Sure am |
| [08:10:30] | Psy123: | You read the post |
| [08:10:34] | Psy123: | :) |
| [08:10:43] | Psy123: | This is doing my head in. |
| [08:10:51] | wagnerrp: | did you read my reply? |
| [08:11:04] | Psy123: | Not yet. One moment. Didn't know there was one. |
| [08:12:32] | Psy123: | Good advice. Im running mythbuntu so – yes init script is the case. For the benefit of the IRC log – we are referring to |
| [08:12:32] | Psy123: | this problem : |
| [08:12:37] | Psy123: | http://www.mythtvtalk.com/mythtv-system-event . . . 4/#post57862 |
| [08:13:02] | Psy123: | I will try and see what happens. |
| [08:13:11] | Psy123: | BRB |
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| [08:14:24] | Psy123: | Do you think adding the script to sudoers would fix the issue? |
| [08:14:35] | Beirdo: | for the benefit of those who don't read that forum.... |
| [08:15:12] | Psy123: | THis gets indexed in google. |
| [08:15:24] | wagnerrp: | no, i think you should have the script print to an absolute path you are certain the backend user has write access to |
| [08:15:50] | Beirdo: | I think I know that. I only wrote and maintain the bot that google is indexing through |
| [08:15:53] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [08:22:12] | Psy123: | Its hard finding good information. I've read a number of the logs google indexes and always feel lost coming in half way |
| [08:22:13] | Psy123: | through a convo. hence the link. Perhaps it will help someone else. |
| [08:26:54] | Psy123: | It worked!!!! |
| [08:27:08] | Psy123: | Same error message though – altjhough not important if it worked. |
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| [08:27:35] | Psy123: | What if I wanted to execute wmctrl through that script? |
| [08:27:51] | wagnerrp: | wmctrl? |
| [08:28:11] | Psy123: | or any program – say gedit. |
| [08:28:40] | wagnerrp: | you can run whatever you want |
| [08:28:41] | Psy123: | do I have to have the complete path in the script? ie /usr/bin/wmctrl |
| [08:28:52] | wagnerrp: | but note that you have no control over what application runs it |
| [08:29:07] | wagnerrp: | and as such, you have no control over what user runs it, or what environment it runs in |
| [08:29:38] | Psy123: | Hmmmm. So if I load gedit – there is no way to get it to pop up on screen? |
| [08:29:58] | wagnerrp: | sure there is |
| [08:30:13] | wagnerrp: | if its the same user, you set 'DISPLAY' in the environment |
| [08:30:32] | wagnerrp: | if its a different user, you have to fiddle with X authentication and set the display |
| [08:31:33] | wagnerrp: | you may have a different HOME or PATH than you expect |
| [08:32:19] | wagnerrp: | on the master backend, tasks will always be run on the master backend |
| [08:32:21] | Psy123: | my desktop user is myuser, mythtv is the user (i think) that would execute the command |
| [08:33:23] | Psy123: | "DISPLAY" in the environment? |
| [08:33:42] | Psy123: | Im a noob – can you tell? |
| [08:34:38] | Psy123: | Im used to creating a script, running it and everything happens. |
| [08:34:59] | Psy123: | What would I google to find out about the subject you are referring too? |
| [08:35:01] | ** wagnerrp heads to bed ** | |
| [08:35:09] | wagnerrp: | the subject? |
| [08:35:18] | Psy123: | Display in the environment |
| [08:35:28] | wagnerrp: | you figure out what your environment is with the 'env' command |
| [08:35:46] | Psy123: | Do I put that in the script? |
| [08:35:46] | wagnerrp: | since you only have the one machine, all events on that machine will be managed by the master backend |
| [08:36:02] | wagnerrp: | meaning it will be run using whatever user and environment the mythbuntu init script gives it |
| [08:36:02] | Psy123: | Ok |
| [08:36:13] | wagnerrp: | that will be the 'mythtv' user |
| [08:36:22] | wagnerrp: | but beyond that, i dont know how the environment will be configured |
| [08:36:35] | Psy123: | very confused. |
| [08:36:44] | wagnerrp: | using bash, you update the environment using 'export COMMAND=VALUE' |
| [08:36:46] | Psy123: | But thanks. You've given me a lot to go on. |
| [08:37:03] | wagnerrp: | rather 'export VARIABLE=VALUE' |
| [08:37:19] | wagnerrp: | the 'DISPLAY' variable is used by any X11 application to determine what server it should connect to |
| [08:37:19] | Psy123: | VALUE being the environment? |
| [08:37:28] | wagnerrp: | if you run 'echo $DISPLAY' |
| [08:37:33] | wagnerrp: | you will likely see ':0.0' |
| [08:37:44] | wagnerrp: | which means server zero, screen zero, on the local machine |
| [08:38:05] | wagnerrp: | if you ssh in, you can set that variable, run 'xterm' and it will pop up on screen |
| [08:38:20] | wagnerrp: | if you are logged in as a different user than that which owns the X server |
| [08:38:36] | wagnerrp: | you will have to manipulate the X authentication |
| [08:38:46] | wagnerrp: | it may be easier if you set up ssh auto-login |
| [08:38:53] | Psy123: | Got the 0:0 |
| [08:38:53] | wagnerrp: | and have your script test if its the proper user |
| [08:39:05] | wagnerrp: | if not, ssh into the local machine with the proper user and call itself |
| [08:39:41] | Psy123: | Iteself? the script? |
| [08:39:43] | wagnerrp: | with public key login, you can get around the normal password issues associated with 'su' |
| [08:40:18] | wagnerrp: | you would run something like... ssh someotheruser@localhost -c the_script_you_want_to_run.sh |
| [08:40:42] | wagnerrp: | bedtime |
| [08:41:09] | Psy123: | OH so set the System Event to "ssh someotheruser..." |
| [08:42:03] | Psy123: | hmmmm im starting to follow – basically we're forcing the script to run as a desktop user? right? |
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| [08:43:20] | Psy123: | should I elaborate on exactly what im trying to achieve? |
| [08:44:28] | Psy123: | Myth has a focus bug with the tuners full message which displays if I try and watch live tv while all tuners are busy. |
| [08:45:08] | Psy123: | I created a script to run wmctrl to switch from the mythfrontend window and back to it again – causing myth to regain |
| [08:45:09] | Psy123: | focus. |
| [08:47:26] | wagnerrp: | have you submitted a but as such? |
| [08:47:43] | Psy123: | Already submitted with 2 dups |
| [08:47:47] | wagnerrp: | rather than fiddling with ssh, you can probably mess with the setuid bit to the same effect |
| [08:47:51] | wagnerrp: | s/but/bug/ |
| [08:47:55] | Psy123: | nothing done about it in 2 years |
| [08:48:00] | Psy123: | very busy I know. |
| [08:48:33] | wagnerrp: | in... 8 years? ive never actually done anything with the setuid bit |
| [08:48:48] | wagnerrp: | but i believe you set it, change ownership of the file to the user you want it to run as |
| [08:48:51] | Psy123: | setuid? |
| [08:49:06] | Psy123: | sorry – im pretty avg with linux. |
| [08:49:11] | wagnerrp: | and you can change userids to that user without root priveleges |
| [08:50:02] | Psy123: | you mean to the mythtv user? |
| [08:50:08] | wagnerrp: | correct |
| [08:50:19] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: i imagine you know how that bit works |
| [08:50:26] | Psy123: | again is that done in the script or from the system event command? |
| [08:50:35] | wagnerrp: | and i know youre up, youre fiddling around on trac... :) |
| [08:52:43] | Psy123: | wagnerrp. THanks for your help. I've got some testing and research to do. |
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| [08:53:08] | Psy123: | I'll let you get off to bed |
| [08:54:39] | Psy123: | bye for now. |
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| [09:15:51] | Beirdo: | hmm, what? |
| [09:16:35] | Beirdo: | I don't think you can use setuid on a script, only on a true binary |
| [09:17:53] | Psy123: | The script runs fine, its the programs executed within the script which do not. |
| [09:18:26] | Beirdo: | huh? |
| [09:19:27] | Beirdo: | anyways, I need to hit the sack |
| [09:19:36] | Psy123: | OK system event runs script which runs "wmctrl -a MythTV Frontend" |
| [09:19:40] | Beirdo: | work rolls up on me pretty quick |
| [09:19:52] | Psy123: | amoung other things |
| [09:19:54] | Beirdo: | do you have a full path on that? |
| [09:20:04] | Psy123: | sure do. |
| [09:20:07] | Psy123: | nothing happens |
| [09:20:14] | Beirdo: | doubtful |
| [09:20:29] | Beirdo: | and you have the DISPLAY environment set in the script? |
| [09:22:36] | Beirdo: | anyways, I gotta go to sleep. |
| [09:24:56] | Psy123: | THanks for your help. Im sure this is a tard issue. I'll figure it out. Got to learn somehow. |
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| [11:48:19] | k-man: | on OSX any idea how to get the console output from the front end? |
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| [12:18:48] | trumee: | Wiki mentions CPU-- has an option for ivtv. But i dont have that? |
| [12:19:23] | trumee: | I have two 500 cards which are being fed through composite |
| [12:19:44] | trumee: | Hauppauge 500 cards |
| [12:20:28] | trumee: | how can i take advantage of the hardware encoders? |
| [12:22:53] | trumee: | wagnerrp, suggestions? |
| [12:26:05] | stuartm: | trumee: they are used automatically |
| [12:26:35] | stuartm: | the streams you get from the cards are mpeg2, not raw images as you'd get from a framegrabber |
| [12:26:50] | trumee: | stuartm, ah good. |
| [12:27:24] | trumee: | stuartm, wiki mentions ivtv in CPU--. That is no longer the case? |
| [12:29:42] | stuartm: | that only applied to the PVR-350 which had a hardware DECODER |
| [12:29:47] | stuartm: | and that's no longer supported |
| [12:30:39] | trumee: | oh, got it thanks |
| [12:32:12] | stuartm: | which page is that? |
| [12:32:19] | stuartm: | so I can remove the reference |
| [12:33:39] | wagnerrp: | no decoder options have anything to do with encoder cards |
| [12:33:49] | wagnerrp: | trumee: where does the wiki say otherwise? |
| [12:33:59] | trumee: | www.mythtv.org/wiki/Playback_profiles |
| [12:34:37] | trumee: | it explicitly mentions PVR-350, so i understood it wrong probably |
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| [12:35:29] | wagnerrp: | well in any case, the PVR-350 features were dropped a good while back, and that should be removed |
| [12:37:22] | lyricnz: | I have one of them in the garage somewhere... |
| [12:42:40] | trumee: | i have a Geforce 8300 chipset, can i use Vdpau normal? |
| [12:43:04] | trumee: | Vdpau slim is giving me 8% load which is nice |
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| [12:59:32] | wagnerrp: | trumee: likely not |
| [12:59:48] | wagnerrp: | stuartm: your comments on #9160 are where the jobqueue rewrite is going |
| [13:00:19] | wagnerrp: | jobs are added over the protocol, and its up to the jobqueue to accept them or spit them out |
| [13:00:38] | trumee: | wagnerrp, just ran few movies/SDTV with Vdpau Normal. seems to be ok. |
| [13:00:50] | wagnerrp: | SDTV, yes |
| [13:00:50] | stuartm: | wagnerrp: good to know |
| [13:00:55] | wagnerrp: | not HD |
| [13:01:31] | trumee: | wagnerrp, right. dont have HD content except some x264 files |
| [13:01:48] | wagnerrp: | are they interlaced h264 files? |
| [13:02:04] | trumee: | wagnerrp, how do i check that? |
| [13:03:31] | stuartm: | to be fair it's only a slight stretch for the 8300 to do Temporal deinterlacing, it can work well on most HD |
| [13:04:15] | wagnerrp: | temporal 1x or 2x? |
| [13:04:25] | stuartm: | in fact, the 8300 probably wouldn't have trouble, it's faster than the 8200 which only struggles in a handful of cases |
| [13:04:28] | stuartm: | 1x |
| [13:04:42] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: iPhoto, at least on OSX is a gallery/management program in addition to a basic image editor |
| [13:05:10] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: not primarily an editor |
| [13:05:14] | stuartm: | I avoid all the 2x deinterlacers, I don't see any benefit from them and it's a real push for the 8200 anyway |
| [13:05:40] | trumee: | wagnerrp, stuartm i will stick with vdpau slim to avoid trouble |
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| [13:08:46] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: as someone who has used iPhoto as his primary photo library manager, of course I would be interested in something that could easily translate that to a nice mythgallery setting... that said, I'm migrating it all to picaso now anyway and I wouldn't necessarily expect a myth dev to work on something like iPhoto support |
| [13:10:54] | wagnerrp: | xbmc always seems to be spilling over with devs for assorted projects |
| [13:11:19] | wagnerrp: | i wonder if their community tends to be more contributing, or if their user base is just simply that huge |
| [13:11:53] | stuartm: | trumee: are you using a TV or monitor? |
| [13:12:58] | wagnerrp: | skd5aner: it looks like iphoto's metadata is stored in XML? does that sound right? |
| [13:13:11] | skd5aner: | yes |
| [13:14:08] | wagnerrp: | crazy bastards wrote their own manual XML parser for it |
| [13:14:14] | skd5aner: | there's also an internal db if I'm not mistaken, but I think it maintains iPhoto specific stuff... similiar to how iTunes exposes some of the metadata in XML and some in a db |
| [13:14:21] | wagnerrp: | why not just use an existing xml library... |
| [13:18:39] | skd5aner: | you talking about apple or the guy who wrote the xbox plugin? |
| [13:18:49] | wagnerrp: | the xbmc plugin |
| [13:20:01] | wagnerrp: | they wrote a SAX/Pull style parser |
| [13:20:10] | wagnerrp: | rather than a DOM/Etree style one |
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| [13:21:33] | wagnerrp: | the only reason i can think you would use such a thing is if memory constraints are a serious concern |
| [13:21:50] | wagnerrp: | otherwise, you just parse the whole thing into an etree |
| [13:21:56] | wagnerrp: | and peruse it at your leisure |
| [13:22:53] | wagnerrp: | but its not like they run off the XML file |
| [13:23:02] | wagnerrp: | they parse it into their own internal database |
| [13:24:02] | foo8ar: | hi all. i just installed a new backend (.24) and wanted to just copy the old recordings. the frontend shows me the recordings but are nonplayable "tfe file for this recording can not be found" anyone that knows where to look? |
| [13:24:32] | wagnerrp: | did you keep the old database? |
| [13:25:15] | foo8ar: | well i have a copy somewhere and exported/imported the recorded table |
| [13:25:39] | wagnerrp: | when you imported, did you use the settings to update the hostname to that of the new backend? |
| [13:26:04] | foo8ar: | nope looking into the table the recorded "hostname" is still the old name |
| [13:26:23] | foo8ar: | would that do the trick? |
| [13:26:28] | wagnerrp: | the backup/restore script has a utility to change the hostname from one to another |
| [13:29:32] | skd5aner: | what ever happened to janneg? http://www.ohloh.net/p/mythtv/contributors/474593934339 – just seems to have disapeared around when the clock struck midnight on new years eve |
| [13:30:04] | wagnerrp: | got caught up in other things |
| [13:30:27] | skd5aner: | such is life... just didn't know if it was something specific or kind of faded away |
| [13:32:16] | wagnerrp: | i think part of it had to do with the ffmpeg stuff |
| [13:32:26] | wagnerrp: | that happened near the beginning of the year |
| [13:32:35] | skd5aner: | what stuff was that? |
| [13:33:06] | wagnerrp: | the takeover/takeback/fork? |
| [13:33:19] | skd5aner: | ah – must have missed all of that |
| [13:33:53] | wagnerrp: | ffmpeg.org vs. libav.org |
| [13:35:21] | wagnerrp: | basically, the fork was an attempt to switch to a linux-kernel style of development |
| [13:35:39] | wagnerrp: | rather than lots of developers in a free-for-all on the source |
| [13:36:03] | skd5aner: | so, libav == ffmpeg, not necessarily just a fork? |
| [13:36:04] | wagnerrp: | you restrict it to a handful of committers, who review everything from the other developers before committing |
| [13:36:17] | wagnerrp: | no, there was a big public spat |
| [13:36:32] | skd5aner: | so, ffmpeg still exists as it's own? |
| [13:36:36] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [13:36:44] | wagnerrp: | and libav is now a new project |
| [13:37:17] | skd5aner: | hmm, ok – their website makes it sound like they basically just restructured under a new name |
| [13:37:25] | iamlindoro: | Which is what they tried to do |
| [13:37:40] | iamlindoro: | they stole the domain and name and locked everyone else out initially, including the project lead |
| [13:37:46] | skd5aner: | ah, I see, so it didn't go over so well |
| [13:37:52] | wagnerrp: | not so much |
| [13:37:57] | iamlindoro: | Only when threatened with legal action were they forced to take on a new name |
| [13:38:28] | iamlindoro: | It is 99% about hating Michael N, the ffmpeg lead, and being spiteful, and 1% about actually wanting to reorganize |
| [13:39:31] | skd5aner: | ahh, I see the "legal threats" section on the ffmpeg site |
| [13:39:34] | wagnerrp: | heh heh... |
| [13:39:41] | skd5aner: | so, which side did janneg land on? |
| [13:39:58] | wagnerrp: | didnt he get shot in vietnam by his own troops |
| [13:40:15] | iamlindoro: | Janne is on the revolt side |
| [13:40:39] | skd5aner: | viva la revolucion! |
| [13:41:31] | wagnerrp: | no, that was doug, not michael |
| [13:42:13] | iamlindoro: | Whomever it was, it was Kevin Bacon |
| [13:42:49] | skd5aner: | so, which one does Michael N belong to now, libav.org? |
| [13:43:18] | iamlindoro: | ffmpeg |
| [13:43:18] | skd5aner: | and, which fork is mythtv aligning to? |
| [13:43:23] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: no, Mark Metcalf |
| [13:43:26] | iamlindoro: | he is, was, and always has been the ffmpeg project lead |
| [13:43:39] | wagnerrp: | bacon was one of the freshman pledges |
| [13:43:56] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: oh, you're right |
| [13:43:57] | wagnerrp: | well he was... after taking over from bellard anyway |
| [13:44:16] | skd5aner: | iamlindoro: I'm confused then – why does Michael N send a legal notices to ffmpeg.org about the logo if that's the one he's continued to be affiliated with? Isn't that like sending it to himself? http://www.ffmpeg.org/threat1.png |
| [13:44:51] | iamlindoro: | skd5aner: He didn't-- Mans Rullgard sent the threat to Michael |
| [13:45:14] | skd5aner: | ah, duh... I read it all wrong |
| [13:45:16] | iamlindoro: | Mans being one of the revolting revolters |
| [13:45:17] | skd5aner: | sorry |
| [13:45:41] | skd5aner: | The Fighting Revolting Revolters! |
| [13:45:52] | iamlindoro: | Jimmy, put it up on the board |
| [13:46:26] | skd5aner: | In the first installment of my X part series, better know a project fork... ffmpeg and libav |
| [13:47:14] | iamlindoro: | Microsoft EULA... great license? Or *greatest* license? |
| [13:47:36] | skd5aner: | "Neither"... |
| [13:47:43] | skd5aner: | "I'll just put you down for greatest then" |
| [13:47:50] | iamlindoro: | I accept your apology |
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| [13:49:23] | ** skd5aner is still chuckling ** | |
| [13:49:43] | skd5aner: | I wish I could live every moment in Colbertisms |
| [13:50:24] | j-rod|afk is now known as j-rod | |
| [13:50:32] | skd5aner: | MythTV (Super) PAC... sponsored by Dr. Pepper |
| [13:50:35] | skd5aner: | that has a ring to it |
| [13:55:37] | skd5aner: | so – will mythtv ever consider switching over to the libav fork, or is the alliance with ffmpeg for the foreseable future? |
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| [13:55:54] | wagnerrp: | as yet undecided |
| [13:56:15] | skd5aner: | yea, probably wise to see how it all plays out for a little while |
| [13:56:36] | skd5aner: | that said, it might become harder to switch the more divergent the two get I could assume |
| [14:00:58] | wagnerrp: | at the moment, were behind the fork |
| [14:01:04] | wagnerrp: | so it doesnt really make a difference |
| [14:01:41] | skd5aner: | well, until the next sync ;) |
| [14:01:55] | skd5aner: | which, would there be another one planned before 0.25 is cut? |
| [14:02:04] | wagnerrp: | likely not |
| [14:02:40] | skd5aner: | yea, if I recall, Beirdo did a sync in the last couple months |
| [14:03:15] | wagnerrp: | yes |
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| [14:08:38] | sphery: | right--we're specifically waiting until after 0.25 to decide. should give more time to see where things are going |
| [14:09:09] | sphery: | and, imagine just how fun things could be if we choose the one that's not used by mplayer... "This works fine in mplayer, but not in mythtv" |
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| [14:12:22] | sphery: | hmm, now I'm wondering if mplayer2 (the fork of mplayer) is using the same libs as mplayer... http://www.mplayer2.org/ |
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| [14:21:10] | iamlindoro: | Beirdo: heh: [libav-devel] [PATCH 1/2] mpegts: Mark wrong sized packets as corrupted |
| [14:22:36] | iamlindoro: | sphery: Well, their ability to name things hasn't improved any |
| [14:22:44] | iamlindoro: | sphery: Their replacement for mencoder is "mplayer-uau-vo-lavc" |
| [14:22:53] | iamlindoro: | just rolls off the tongue |
| [14:27:32] | sphery: | heh, that sounds easy to remember--just like the new emergency number in the UK, 0118 999 881 999 119 7253 |
| [14:27:54] | wagnerrp: | thats such a catchy tune |
| [14:27:56] | sphery: | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ab8GtuPdrUQ |
| [14:31:03] | sid3windr: | :-) |
| [14:31:55] | ** wagnerrp pokes MythLogBot ** | |
| [14:32:02] | wagnerrp: | update! |
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| [14:54:36] | justinh: | what? mplayer forked too? oh boy. open source is in trouble |
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| [14:57:56] | wagnerrp: | justinh: the only thing i see there that might necessitate a fork is the move from embedded ffmpeg to shared library |
| [14:58:10] | wagnerrp: | i would expect the ffmpeg keep an internal copy for the same reason we did |
| [14:58:27] | wagnerrp: | and the people who felt the need for the fork would not listen to reason and more experienced minds |
| [14:58:45] | wagnerrp: | everything else seems like patches and features the mplayer people would welcome |
| [14:58:56] | justinh: | yeah I read it that way too |
| [14:59:10] | justinh: | must be a fair bit of "apply my patch as it is or I walk" kinda stuff |
| [14:59:47] | justinh: | aka doing stuff a crazy way, or not adhering to code style guidelines.. or.. just plain politics |
| [15:00:18] | justinh: | maybe there's room for some kind of OSS project arbitration/advocacy body |
| [15:01:23] | stuartm: | justinh: they'd blow their own brains out after 5 minutes of listening to the petty squabbles |
| [15:02:01] | justinh: | heh |
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| [15:02:53] | stuartm: | I think it's just the nature of open source for projects to ultimately tear themselves apart, there's not enough structure or leadership to contain the egos |
| [15:03:15] | stuartm: | it will happen to MythTV too eventually |
| [15:03:30] | justinh: | hate to see that happen |
| [15:04:16] | justinh: | this is always the big thing I see as bad with open source.. so much talent going to waste by people not agreeing enough on tiny things |
| [15:04:24] | justinh: | humanity.. pfft |
| [15:04:59] | justinh: | no, it's not the Judean People's Liberation Front... it's the Liberation Front of The People of Judea! |
| [15:09:06] | sphery: | wagnerrp: does find_orphans.py find .old files in your dirs? |
| [15:09:33] | wagnerrp: | it doesnt know what they are, it will just mark them as stray files |
| [15:10:04] | wagnerrp: | erm, no |
| [15:10:13] | wagnerrp: | it will connect them with recordings |
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| [15:10:33] | wagnerrp: | if the basename is found in the database, it will not mark it as orphaned |
| [15:12:38] | sphery: | so these files are the original recordings left after a transcode when you enable "Save original files after transcoding (globally)" |
| [15:12:55] | sphery: | the basename field in the database won't ever contain a .old |
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| [15:13:25] | wagnerrp: | basically, its a blanked allowance, intended for all the previews mythweb generates |
| [15:13:36] | wagnerrp: | but it should pick up the .old files as well |
| [15:13:56] | sphery: | ah, well those could actually be multi-gigabyte orphaned files |
| [15:14:01] | wagnerrp: | i take anything before the first period in the recording filename |
| [15:14:20] | sphery: | since we'll have a 1021_20110724200000.mpg and a 1021_20110724200000.mpg.old |
| [15:14:30] | wagnerrp: | correct |
| [15:14:47] | sphery: | so it won't tell me about the .old because of the preview allowance? |
| [15:14:48] | wagnerrp: | is that bad? |
| [15:14:54] | wagnerrp: | correct |
| [15:15:33] | sphery: | the .old won't be in the db, and the user is supposed to clean it up himself |
| [15:16:15] | wagnerrp: | once the recording is delete, the old will be marked as an orphan |
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| [15:16:39] | sphery: | I'd say they should be treated as a new special category of orphaned, perhaps? |
| [15:16:44] | Psy123: | Anyone there? |
| [15:16:49] | sphery: | nope :) |
| [15:16:50] | wagnerrp: | nope |
| [15:16:59] | Psy123: | Sweet |
| [15:17:11] | sphery: | you've got the channel all to yourself... |
| [15:17:21] | sphery: | the other 170 nicks in here are all bots |
| [15:17:21] | Psy123: | cuase I have something truely amazing to say but dont want anyone to hear. |
| [15:17:47] | Psy123: | Wait for it |
| [15:17:57] | sphery: | wagnerrp: it's definitely not a big deal, but if you're bored and looking for something to do, might be nice to call those files out as a different category |
| [15:17:58] | Psy123: | I |
| [15:18:03] | Psy123: | need more help |
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| [15:18:06] | Psy123: | :0 |
| [15:18:10] | Psy123: | haha |
| [15:18:15] | sphery: | heh, what's the issue? |
| [15:18:39] | Psy123: | excuting script from system event... |
| [15:19:04] | Psy123: | if I run mythbackend from *myuser* script executes fine. |
| [15:19:22] | Psy123: | If i run it from *mythtv* ..script does not work. |
| [15:19:49] | sphery: | different ~/.mythtv/config.xml files? |
| [15:20:02] | wagnerrp: | no, he needs to run as the correct user |
| [15:20:29] | wagnerrp: | Psy123: shove a line at the start of the script, if not user X, ssh to localhost as user X and run command |
| [15:20:30] | Psy123: | correct wagneerp. Thought you were sleeping. |
| [15:20:41] | wagnerrp: | that was 7 hours ago |
| [15:20:52] | Psy123: | tried that. |
| [15:21:05] | Psy123: | got an error |
| [15:21:09] | Psy123: | ... BRB |
| [15:21:11] | wagnerrp: | what error? |
| [15:21:22] | wagnerrp: | did you set up public key auth so it would automatically log in? |
| [15:21:43] | Psy123: | cannot open display |
| [15:21:53] | wagnerrp: | did you set DISPLAY? |
| [15:22:12] | sphery: | and xauth |
| [15:22:17] | Psy123: | no protocol specified |
| [15:22:29] | wagnerrp: | if youre logged in as the correct user, xauth should be taken care of |
| [15:23:08] | sphery: | Psy123: that's because you don't have xauth set up for the user who's running the script |
| [15:23:30] | sphery: | ideally, though, the script wouldn't be doing any display-requiring tasks... |
| [15:23:32] | Psy123: | right... hmmmm <:) |
| [15:23:51] | sphery: | as user who's running X: xauth list |
| [15:24:00] | Psy123: | Its a display script. needs to switch to and from mythtv frontend |
| [15:24:11] | Psy123: | its a hack for a known bug. |
| [15:24:15] | sphery: | as user who's wanting to borrow X: xauth add <line from xauth list> |
| [15:24:19] | Psy123: | to regain focus. |
| [15:24:28] | Psy123: | and yes its reported and verified. |
| [15:25:17] | sphery: | easiest approach, though, is to run X as the user who runs the script |
| [15:25:26] | Psy123: | myuser – is me and mythtv is mythubuntus user who cannot run the script |
| [15:25:27] | sphery: | (which would be the user running mythbackend?) |
| [15:25:36] | Psy123: | mythtv |
| [15:25:49] | Psy123: | that user is the one with the problems |
| [15:26:05] | sphery: | but you're running X as you, right? |
| [15:26:31] | Psy123: | X? Im a noob - |
| [15:26:40] | sphery: | you can also set up sudo to allow mythtv password-less access to run the script as your user |
| [15:26:48] | sphery: | X = the GUI on your system |
| [15:26:50] | Psy123: | smaller words pls...LOL |
| [15:26:55] | sphery: | ps -efw | grep X |
| [15:27:04] | Psy123: | good advice. Done – no help |
| [15:27:19] | Psy123: | that is sudo visudo |
| [15:27:26] | Psy123: | ? |
| [15:27:35] | sphery: | actually X process itself will almost definitely be root, but xinit (or similar) would be your user |
| [15:27:47] | Psy123: | one moment. x as me ? ill find out. |
| [15:28:01] | sphery: | who logged in on the system? |
| [15:28:29] | Psy123: | Auto login |
| [15:28:41] | Psy123: | but "myuser" is me |
| [15:29:23] | Psy123: | when I kill mythbackend (run by "mythtv") and run mythbackend as "myuser" (me) it works |
| [15:29:50] | Psy123: | Xorg (if thats what you mean is run by root |
| [15:29:54] | Psy123: | ) |
| [15:29:57] | sphery: | yeah, so that means myuser owns X |
| [15:30:34] | sphery: | right, Xorg = X = "actually X process itself will almost definitely be root, but xinit (or similar) would be your user" |
| [15:30:51] | sphery: | anyway, that is the problem |
| [15:31:05] | sphery: | so you can either make sure the script runs as myuser (with sudo or whatever) |
| [15:31:25] | sphery: | or you can try to set up X to allow other users by setting appropriate xauth tokens |
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| [15:31:32] | Psy123: | following you |
| [15:31:47] | sphery: | (which is challenging because they change each time you start X) |
| [15:32:15] | sphery: | or you can just go completely unsecure and run (as myuser): xhost + |
| [15:32:20] | Psy123: | tried setuid – no luck – although probably doing it wrong |
| [15:32:40] | sphery: | you want to use sudo |
| [15:33:00] | Psy123: | OK let me explain. |
| [15:33:01] | sphery: | as in sudo -u myuser /path/to/script |
| [15:33:31] | Psy123: | hmm not tried that |
| [15:33:36] | Psy123: | one momnet. |
| [15:34:59] | Psy123: | Works, but ask me for passowrd = bad |
| [15:35:10] | Psy123: | needs to working without asking |
| [15:35:45] | Psy123: | sudo -u mythtv /opt/ssTrigger/wmctrl-mythfrontend.sh |
| [15:37:42] | sphery: | Psy123: yes, you need to configure sudo to allow the user who's running sudo to run the specific command without password |
| [15:38:17] | Psy123: | both users are set up in visudo |
| [15:38:48] | sphery: | Psy123: you need a specific line in sudoers saying, "let X user run Y script without a password" |
| [15:39:12] | Psy123: | I will post the lines |
| [15:39:14] | Psy123: | ... |
| [15:39:15] | sphery: | I'll let you figure out how to do that yourself (google + man sudo + man sudoers) or find someone else who will tell you |
| [15:39:20] | sphery: | I don't know sudo |
| [15:39:25] | sphery: | just know it can be done |
| [15:40:23] | Psy123: | %mythtv ALL = NOPASSWD: /opt/ssTrigger/wmctrl-mythfrontend.sh |
| [15:40:30] | Psy123: | same line for myuser |
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| [15:42:01] | sphery: | well, all I can say is that if it's asking you for a password, your line isn't correct |
| [15:42:06] | sphery: | I really don't know sudo |
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| [15:42:08] | Psy123: | see what I mean? |
| [15:42:15] | sphery: | yes, so now you know what to fix |
| [15:42:21] | sphery: | just need to find someone who can help you do so |
| [15:42:50] | Psy123: | I knew what to fix in the first place :) |
| [15:43:01] | Psy123: | Thats my question. |
| [15:43:12] | Psy123: | How to run file without passowrd |
| [15:43:24] | Psy123: | tried the usual tricks – no luck |
| [15:43:34] | sphery: | well, had you said, "I'm trying to run a script using sudo without its asking for a password," I wouldn't have wasted all my time telling you about X auth and ... |
| [15:43:49] | Psy123: | sorry. |
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| [15:47:23] | wagnerrp: | im going to miss CHAOS when they finish out the episodes |
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| [15:54:54] | sphery: | did it get cancelled? |
| [15:55:12] | wagnerrp: | i assume it did, considering they moved it to saturday night |
| [15:55:30] | sphery: | ah, yeah, shows Ended on tv.com http://www.tv.com/chaos/show/78637/summary.html |
| [15:56:08] | sphery: | it's cbs and it's not a csi show, so makes sense that it's cancelled :) |
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| [16:06:24] | wagnerrp: | whats with people posting 'this' in reply to something when they agree with it? |
| [16:06:51] | sphery: | this |
| [16:07:14] | sphery: | was that on a forum or list? |
| [16:07:38] | wagnerrp: | forums |
| [16:07:43] | wagnerrp: | ive seen it a lot the last few months |
| [16:07:46] | sphery: | heh |
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| [16:08:13] | sphery: | I'd never heard of it until you mentioned it |
| [16:09:12] | sphery: | but it kind of makes sense. after all, typing "yes" would be one less letter, so wouldn't carry the same weight. And "yeah" is just too informal. And "I agree" requires a shift key press, so that's just annoyingly difficult... |
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| [16:10:05] | sphery: | oh, and actually adding some relevant information would be way too hard :) |
| [16:11:23] | mutsu: | Is this the correct place to ask a question related issues using vlc in mythtv? |
| [16:11:29] | Cardoe: | wagnerrp: (well any of the devs really) Is there an advantage to not building the "profile" build by default? |
| [16:11:40] | Cardoe: | Is there really any performance improvements you guys leave off? |
| [16:12:42] | sphery: | I think profile is the normal build just not stripped |
| [16:12:57] | sphery: | so if you're stripping the debug data into separate files, I think the end result is basically the same |
| [16:12:58] | Cardoe: | ok that's what I thought |
| [16:13:05] | Cardoe: | That's how Gentoo does it |
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| [16:13:16] | Cardoe: | wagnerrp: I'm gonna reverse the changes you guys made to the Gentoo ebuilds |
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| [16:13:36] | Cardoe: | Cause basically the ebuilds have QA warnings/errors |
| [16:14:41] | wagnerrp: | Cardoe: i didnt change how mythtv was built, i just changed how it got the data |
| [16:14:55] | wagnerrp: | from the old trac tarballs to the new github tarballs |
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| [16:20:52] | Cardoe: | wagnerrp: Well I was referring to the USE=profile |
| [16:21:10] | Cardoe: | wagnerrp: no worries though. As long as you're ok with me getting rid of USE=profile and making profile the default. |
| [16:21:21] | Cardoe: | emerge will handle stripping it |
| [16:21:24] | wagnerrp: | to be honest, i have no idea what that does |
| [16:21:45] | Cardoe: | In the past, --release-type=profile just didn't strip |
| [16:21:50] | Cardoe: | and --release-type=release did |
| [16:22:05] | Cardoe: | And sphery just confirmed that's how it still behaves. |
| [16:22:43] | Cardoe: | I'll send you a pull request and you'll see what I mean. |
| [16:22:51] | wagnerrp: | well feel free to make whatever changes you want |
| [16:22:58] | wagnerrp: | i dont think kormoc or i will have a problem with them |
| [16:23:05] | Cardoe: | alright |
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| [17:18:38] | Beirdo: | beer? |
| [17:22:14] | wagnerrp: | do we need another dissertation on why home users should not be running virtualization for production purposes? |
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| [17:23:12] | sphery: | but, I'm pretty sure I saw something in an in-flight magazine saying that virtualization is more efficient, saves money on hardware and electricity, and allows me to reduce my sysadmin staff significantly |
| [17:23:51] | devinheitmueller: | wagnerrp: virtualization is awesome! It will let me run all five of my servers on a single Pentium 4! |
| [17:24:19] | wagnerrp: | devinheitmueller: no... it will let you run all five of your servers on a 1.3GHz Athlon64 |
| [17:24:25] | wagnerrp: | apparently... |
| [17:24:29] | devinheitmueller: | wagnerrp: that too.... |
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| [17:28:04] | sphery: | what is a 1.3GHz Athlon 64... I thought they started around 2GHz... |
| [17:28:11] | sphery: | is it a mobile chip or something? |
| [17:28:19] | wagnerrp: | Neo |
| [17:28:27] | wagnerrp: | low power, 25W TDP |
| [17:29:51] | sphery: | heh, wow |
| [17:30:32] | stuartm: | ooh |
| [17:30:56] | stuartm: | that would make for nice backend, frontend too with vdpau |
| [17:31:11] | sphery: | heh, you can't do AMD chips with nvidia graphics, silly |
| [17:31:32] | sphery: | unless you buy a separate discrete card, which uses a lot more power than integrated |
| [17:32:02] | wagnerrp: | it would make for an OK low power backend, if you have limited tuner/channel needs |
| [17:32:03] | stuartm: | sphery: I'm typing this on a machine with onboard nvidia and an AMD cpu ... |
| [17:32:24] | sphery: | (just a commentary on how unfortunate it is that integrated graphics now means no current nvidia graphics since nvidia got out of the chipset business) |
| [17:32:27] | wagnerrp: | but the scheduler will choke on a large lineup with a lot of rules |
| [17:32:33] | stuartm: | sphery: ahh |
| [17:33:10] | stuartm: | huh, I hadn't really followed through on the implications of that move, bummer |
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| [17:35:14] | sphery: | yeah, just seems that oems are choosing amd graphics with amd chipsets or intel graphics with intel chipsets--probably because of cost savings/ease of integration |
| [17:35:32] | sphery: | that said, I'm only guessing as an observer--definitely not an insider |
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| [17:39:38] | elkin: | hi, I am having a strange issue with selecting covers/banners/fanart: when I try to set any of them from a local file to a recording rule _without_ an inetref, the setting is then set to all recordings without inetref. |
| [17:40:44] | iamlindoro: | elkin: There's a bug there, but you can't set artwork on rules without inetref |
| [17:40:50] | iamlindoro: | The bug is that it's allowing you to |
| [17:41:02] | iamlindoro: | You *must* have an inetref to use artwork |
| [17:41:38] | elkin: | iamlindoro: OK, should I post a bugreport? |
| [17:41:42] | iamlindoro: | No |
| [17:41:53] | elkin: | iamlindoro: ok |
| [17:42:45] | elkin: | iamlindoro: can a set a bogus inetref? or reset the changes I have done? |
| [17:42:51] | iamlindoro: | Meanwhile, you should remove the row that has no inetref from recordedartwork |
| [17:43:05] | iamlindoro: | elkin: yes, you can put whatever you want in inetref, it doesn't have to work at the metadata source |
| [17:43:14] | iamlindoro: | For my "cycling" rule, I set the inetref to "Cycling" |
| [17:43:30] | elkin: | iamlindoro: thanks! will try |
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| [17:45:34] | elkin: | imalindoro: works! thanks! |
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| [17:46:35] | iamlindoro: | elkin: Thanks for reporting it, I just pushed the fix that prevents it happening again |
| [17:48:07] | elkin: | iamlindoro: sure, I just updated one of my theme to use the banner in the OSD |
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| [17:53:04] | sphery: | #9942 is another "visualizations crash mythmusic"... isn't the plan to just remove all the visualizations (and maybe just have a mythui screen show) until someone does a visualizer widget for mythui? |
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| [17:56:20] | sphery: | I really wish warpme would include /at least/ the first-line summary of the change set with his "This commit breaks <whatever> for me" messages |
| [17:56:40] | sphery: | though, really, is it that difficult to have a useful mail client that actually quotes the message to which he's replying? |
| [17:57:52] | sphery: | though his User-Agent header shows he's using Thunderbird on Mac OS X |
| [17:58:15] | sphery: | meaning it's not a client problem... |
| [17:58:45] | wagnerrp: | i wish he would use an operating system that 'just works' |
| [17:58:46] | wagnerrp: | :) |
| [18:02:16] | sphery: | heh, there's that, too |
| [18:12:40] | wagnerrp: | does visualization in mythmusic get farmed out to some other application? |
| [18:12:54] | wagnerrp: | or do we do it internally in mythfrontend? |
| [18:14:29] | sphery: | "two FireDTV cards which have each a CI adapter and payed-for smartcards" is the supported hardware-based CI/CAM stuff, right? |
| [18:14:43] | wagnerrp: | sounds like it, i dont know for certain |
| [18:15:23] | sphery: | wagnerrp: both... we have a few basic internal visualizations (which crash due to OpenGL issues) and have support for libvisual/project-m visualizations |
| [18:15:38] | sphery: | or did we remove the project-m stuff (since it was almost guaranteed to crash mythfrontend) |
| [18:16:42] | sphery: | I'm thinking we didn't... http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/7711 |
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| [18:17:50] | sphery: | yeah, seems it's still in there |
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| [18:33:03] | jams: | wagnerrp- http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/9943 |
| [18:33:38] | wagnerrp: | i saw, im headed out shortly, ill take care of it this afternoon |
| [18:33:56] | jams: | ok..just pointing it out. I'm in no hurry |
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| [19:21:30] | stuartm: | Project-M won't live to see the release of 0.25, it's been a buggy piece of cr*p since day one, Mark discussed migrating the other visualisations to use our mythui painters and presumably he'd fixed the bugs at the same time |
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| [19:22:37] | uW: | |
| [19:24:51] | sphery: | stuartm: Ah, good. I think even if we don't have replacements for projectm (or other visualizers), we should remove them before 0.25 release just because of the crashiness... |
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| [21:58:04] | GrahamIRC: | Good morning / afternoon / evening |
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| [21:59:47] | GrahamIRC: | does anyone know why mythmusic wont skip when playing FLACs? It's always done this but I'm wondering if there is a fix. If you try and skip through a flac is just skips to the next song. Works ok with MP3's |
| [22:02:04] | wagnerrp: | the ffmpeg libraries apparently dont support it |
| [22:02:40] | GrahamIRC: | ah what a shame |
| [22:02:57] | GrahamIRC: | you'd think of all the formats they might support that flac would be one of them |
| [22:03:43] | GrahamIRC: | thanks for the answer to the mystery wagnerrp |
| [22:06:00] | wagnerrp: | thats not an answer, just my guess |
| [22:06:54] | stuartm: | ffplay screws up when trying to seek through flac, so it's a valid answer |
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| [22:07:46] | GrahamIRC: | seemed to make sense to me :-) |
| [22:07:56] | stuartm: | there could be more too it, maybe flac is inherently unseekable but I've never heard anything like that before |
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| [22:08:06] | GrahamIRC: | winamp manages it |
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| [22:08:53] | wagnerrp: | it may have to play everything up to that point to 'seek' |
| [22:09:04] | wagnerrp: | whats the CPU usage when you seek in winamp? |
| [22:09:10] | GrahamIRC: | hang on... |
| [22:09:29] | GrahamIRC: | btw, this is winamp on windows (does it even exist on linux?) |
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| [22:09:39] | wagnerrp: | its win...amp... |
| [22:09:48] | wagnerrp: | nope, 'flac supports... fast seeking' |
| [22:09:54] | GrahamIRC: | I know, but that doesn't mean much these days :-) |
| [22:10:03] | Shadow__X: | so linamp would be the linux equivalant? |
| [22:10:08] | Shadow__X: | macamp etc etc |
| [22:10:10] | stuartm: | you might consider raising it with ffmpeg (one or both of them) just to see whether you can get anywhere |
| [22:10:47] | stuartm: | winamp on linux is called xmms |
| [22:11:09] | stuartm: | or at lest the linux clone of Winamp 2 is called xmms |
| [22:11:18] | stuartm: | or was, I've not looked at it in years |
| [22:11:27] | stuartm: | s/lest/least/ |
| [22:12:37] | jams: | still called xmms |
| [22:12:55] | GrahamIRC: | in winamp I can jump around a flac at will with instant playback and no rise in cpu |
| [22:12:59] | jams: | there is also a xmms2..but I have never used it |
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| [22:13:46] | GrahamIRC: | yes I have considered other music players but I really want to keep everything in Myth |
| [22:15:54] | stuartm: | I don't think anyone in the MythTV team would be interested in fixing the issue on our end, we'd wait for a fix upstream |
| [22:16:08] | GrahamIRC: | but thanks for the suggestion of talking to ffmpeg |
| [22:16:23] | GrahamIRC: | I wasn't sure if it was a myth issue or a library issue |
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| [22:29:57] | skd5aner: | wha... wha... what? say it ain't so joe – http://gizmodo.com/5824367/scientists-ruin-sc . . . s-impossible |
| [22:34:25] | GrahamIRC: | fortunately science fiction is fiction so they can still do what they like |
| [22:34:51] | GrahamIRC: | and much of science is only true until it's not true |
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| [22:37:35] | wagnerrp: | jams: actually, it forked into some other name, audacious or something |
| [22:41:10] | sphery: | audacity is the audio editor app |
| [22:41:22] | sphery: | there's an xmms and xmms2 and another fork? |
| [22:41:37] | sphery: | xmms-kde |
| [22:42:24] | sphery: | ah, wait, that one's just a panel applet for controlling xmms |
| [22:42:40] | sphery: | ah, beep media player |
| [22:42:56] | sphery: | ooh, then beep was forked into audacious, which is not audacity |
| [22:43:00] | wagnerrp: | http://audacious-media-player.org/screenshots |
| [22:43:25] | sphery: | yeah, didn't know there was an audacious, too... thought you were talking about http://audacity.sourceforge.net/ |
| [22:43:51] | wagnerrp: | no, i have gotten the two mixed up before too |
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| [22:47:50] | wagnerrp: | https://discussions.apple.com/thread/3002880? . . . amp;tstart=0 |
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| [22:58:59] | jams: | wagnerrp- two things 1) smolt_mythtv.py can be removed, it's no longer used. 2) sendProfile.py gives permission denied when trying to run it from the FE. works fine after changing the permissions to have executable. |
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| [23:10:30] | wagnerrp: | jams: done |
| [23:10:51] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: ttvdb.py already has a -t for 'only return the top rated graphics for a tv series' |
| [23:11:07] | wagnerrp: | should i disable that? make it only respond to '--toprated'? |
| [23:11:42] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: Remove it, IIRC we already order our returns in order of rating |
| [23:11:50] | iamlindoro: | so the option is redundant |
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| [23:55:15] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: thanks. If you want to add a "API online" test to -t I won't object. |
| [23:55:57] | iamlindoro: | I am not sure whether it will cause more or less complaints either way |
| [23:56:05] | wagnerrp: | perhaps later |
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| [23:58:50] | jamesd: | how do you reset the language, it took the wrong choice in mythtv-setup |
| [23:59:34] | iamlindoro: | mythfrontend --reset |
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