| Tuesday, July 19th, 2011, 00:05 UTC | ||
| [00:05:42] | k-man: | morning all |
| [00:06:18] | k-man: | regarding the shepherd thing – did you see that one of the devs posted to mythtv-dev about why shepherd runs every hour, and Michael Dean wrote some interesting responses to it |
| [00:06:51] | wagnerrp: | i just do the command lines, i know nothing about xmltv |
| [00:07:23] | sphery: | k-man: are you an xmltv guy? what did you think of the suggested run time idea? |
| [00:08:30] | k-man: | sphery, no, just an interested user of shepherd and mythtv |
| [00:08:31] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: do you do iSCSI targets on your freebsd setup? |
| [00:08:51] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [00:08:52] | k-man: | sphery, but MTD's suggestions appear to be pretty convincing |
| [00:08:57] | sphery: | I do like the idea of changing the default period to 0–23 instead of 2–5... I may push that and try to get approval from other devs even if Shepherd guys don't need it |
| [00:09:03] | Beirdo: | which daemon? istgt? |
| [00:09:05] | sphery: | heh, /me is mtd :) |
| [00:09:12] | k-man: | sphery, oh right :) |
| [00:09:29] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: the netbsd one |
| [00:09:42] | wagnerrp: | ive been considering migrating to istgt, but havent gotten around to it |
| [00:09:44] | Beirdo: | ah, iscsi-target |
| [00:09:46] | Beirdo: | K. |
| [00:10:04] | wagnerrp: | sphery: profile build, still no mythffplay |
| [00:10:15] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: you might have an answer for this... why am i not building mythffplay? |
| [00:10:18] | sphery: | k-man: heh, it's easy to forget who's who when some of us hide behind a non-specific nick |
| [00:10:34] | Beirdo: | well, I wanna do iSCSI over ZFS... no automatic way like there is in Solaris |
| [00:10:42] | wagnerrp: | no, there is not |
| [00:11:04] | wagnerrp: | and remember, you cannot share a ZFS node over iscsi |
| [00:11:05] | Beirdo: | so I'll live with doing it manually :) |
| [00:11:09] | wagnerrp: | you can only share an image |
| [00:11:14] | Beirdo: | right |
| [00:11:31] | Beirdo: | but I can make a zfs node for images, and share out the images |
| [00:11:31] | wagnerrp: | either a image file, or something produced with 'zfs create -V <size>' |
| [00:11:49] | k-man: | sphery, yeah – I often have trouble remembering who I even spoke to about some topic on irc |
| [00:12:00] | Beirdo: | actually, that could be nice to transfer over the images from my LVM |
| [00:12:01] | Beirdo: | hmmm |
| [00:12:51] | wagnerrp: | you do get snapshotting with that, but its a bit more opaque than if the files were actually ZFS |
| [00:13:54] | Beirdo: | hmm. |
| [00:14:04] | Beirdo: | Well, dding the images over would be simple |
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| [00:14:06] | Beirdo: | ish. |
| [00:14:26] | wagnerrp: | for my frontends, ive got a 7GB image (zfs create -V 7G) |
| [00:14:36] | wagnerrp: | with 1GB of swap, and 6GB of jfs |
| [00:14:40] | Beirdo: | those are sparse? |
| [00:14:49] | wagnerrp: | sparse until i fill them |
| [00:14:53] | Beirdo: | cool |
| [00:15:25] | wagnerrp: | every so often, maybe once a year, i create a new image, copy the files over, and start fresh |
| [00:15:36] | Beirdo: | nice |
| [00:15:53] | Beirdo: | probably what I'll do is something similar, but just dd the initial image over |
| [00:15:58] | wagnerrp: | and over the course of the year, between snapshotted updates, clones, and all, it grows to maybe 10–12GB |
| [00:16:09] | k-man: | wagnerrp, why do you need to start fresh each year? |
| [00:16:30] | wagnerrp: | k-man: fresh image, old data |
| [00:16:37] | wagnerrp: | zfs is not aware of the underlying filesystem |
| [00:16:44] | Beirdo: | that sounds like a reasonable plan |
| [00:17:25] | Beirdo: | I have 2TB of external USB disk to put onto the server |
| [00:17:44] | Beirdo: | mind you, 800GB of that is old mythtv recording filesystem, and it's not full |
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| [00:18:49] | wagnerrp: | k-man: do you know what the purpose of TRIM is for SSDs? |
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| [00:19:58] | iamlindoro: | The make it look faster |
| [00:20:00] | iamlindoro: | like a spoiler |
| [00:20:11] | iamlindoro: | suh |
| [00:20:12] | iamlindoro: | duh |
| [00:20:45] | wagnerrp: | yes, stickers reduce SSD seek latency by 12 parsecs each |
| [00:21:14] | iamlindoro: | I could make the Kessel Run so much faster with more stickers |
| [00:21:35] | k-man: | wagnerrp, not familiar with the acronym, but I presume its some sort of random wear leveling? I didn't realise you were talking about SSD |
| [00:22:06] | wagnerrp: | the issue with SSDs is that when you delete a file, the SSD doesnt actually know the file is deleted |
| [00:22:25] | wagnerrp: | so it continues to move the deleted file around when it flashes cells |
| [00:22:31] | wagnerrp: | reducing performance and life |
| [00:22:32] | k-man: | oh, I see |
| [00:22:58] | wagnerrp: | TRIM is an interface to tell SSDsss where unused space is, so it can behave more intelligently |
| [00:23:02] | wagnerrp: | this is much the same issue |
| [00:23:15] | wagnerrp: | my systems are on a 7GB image, with a 6GB jfs partition |
| [00:23:32] | wagnerrp: | if i write to somewhere on that partition, it consumes data on the image |
| [00:23:44] | wagnerrp: | if i subsequently delete something, ZFS does not know it was deleted |
| [00:23:49] | wagnerrp: | so it continues to consume data |
| [00:24:22] | wagnerrp: | periodically making a new image and copying the files over serves to flush out the cruft every so often |
| [00:24:32] | k-man: | I see |
| [00:24:38] | k-man: | interesting |
| [00:25:25] | wagnerrp: | so even though my systems only think they are using 2.5GB, zfs thinks they are using 4.9GB |
| [00:25:38] | k-man: | I don't understand why this has to be at the user level though – can ZFS not be informed that the data is not needed any more or something? |
| [00:25:53] | wagnerrp: | no, it cannot |
| [00:26:09] | wagnerrp: | because zfs knows nothing about the filesystem it is housing in the sparse image |
| [00:26:37] | wagnerrp: | and even if the iscsi server were better integrated, the iscsi server itself would not know anything about the filesystem it is housing in the target |
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| [00:26:50] | wagnerrp: | since all it is doing is providing a disk |
| [00:26:55] | k-man: | I see |
| [00:27:15] | wagnerrp: | its exactly the same problem as SSDs |
| [00:27:23] | wagnerrp: | the physical layer knows nothing about the filesystem layer |
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| [00:29:09] | wagnerrp: | in theory, an iscsi system could implement something like TRIM to propagate that information upstream |
| [00:29:28] | wagnerrp: | so virtual disks on logical volumes could be cleaned out as needed |
| [00:30:24] | k-man: | interesting |
| [00:30:47] | wagnerrp: | now the upshot is that since i can clone that sparse image as desired using COW, ZFS only has to track the changes to those systems |
| [00:31:10] | wagnerrp: | so i have three gentoo boxes running off that single 6GB images, but each with their own dedicated image |
| [00:31:27] | wagnerrp: | they only have to carry around changes to the theme cache, config files, logs |
| [00:31:39] | wagnerrp: | so they average ~25–100MB each |
| [00:31:51] | wagnerrp: | now you can do the same thing with layered ZFS and aufs |
| [00:32:31] | wagnerrp: | but im trading a log of clumsiness client side, for a bit of clumsiness server side |
| [00:32:37] | wagnerrp: | more work to set up the server |
| [00:32:43] | wagnerrp: | but my clients are nearly stock gentoo installs |
| [00:33:01] | wagnerrp: | a custom initrd, and a few lines changes in the init scripts |
| [00:33:35] | k-man: | nice |
| [00:33:43] | k-man: | is this for your home mythtv network? |
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| [00:33:52] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [00:34:00] | k-man: | how many boxen do you have? |
| [00:34:27] | wagnerrp: | two on tvs, one in my office |
| [00:34:31] | wagnerrp: | so three booting off that image |
| [00:34:41] | k-man: | nice |
| [00:36:39] | k-man: | so far I have one combined fe/be and just one tv |
| [00:36:51] | k-man: | that's enough for me at the moment |
| [00:38:00] | k-man: | although I would love to have a new HD (as I am still using an SD CRT tv) but alas I cannot afford to subsidise my desires with money |
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| [00:48:45] | iamlindoro: | Blah, there is really nothing of value coming out on Blu-ray for a long, long time |
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| [00:49:03] | iamlindoro: | If I stay this bored I might have to actually think about the DVD metadata thing ;P |
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| [00:55:55] | k-man: | what dvd meta data thing? |
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| [02:17:17] | sphery: | heh, looks like wagnerrp found a friend. that will teach him to be the last person to say something in a channel. |
| [02:17:30] | sphery: | ooh, wait, someone else please say something, now... |
| [02:17:51] | wagnerrp: | careful there, [R] has been known to latch onto people |
| [02:18:29] | sphery: | whew! now I'm safe, since you said something after me. |
| [02:18:33] | sphery: | d'oh! |
| [02:18:34] | [R]: | what? |
| [02:19:13] | sphery: | seems wagnerrp got a PM from someone in another channel just because he was the last guy to say something/first guy to say something after the guy entered the channel |
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| [03:11:59] | wagnerrp: | oh god... wearing jeans in 90deg weather was a poor choice |
| [03:12:22] | iamlindoro: | going pantsless would have been an even worse one |
| [03:12:33] | iamlindoro: | If only there was some middle ground! |
| [03:13:33] | wagnerrp: | i thought... im in an air conditioned server room all day, it will be OK |
| [03:13:45] | wagnerrp: | but no, the heat and servers were exceeding the capability of the AC |
| [03:14:17] | iamlindoro: | My sexy new data center is so overcooled as to be ridiculous, it's freezing even now |
| [03:14:47] | [R]: | pussy |
| [03:14:51] | [R]: | i wear jeans everyday t owork |
| [03:14:57] | [R]: | and its pretty damn hot when i leave |
| [03:18:01] | wagnerrp: | is it 85 at your desk? |
| [03:18:08] | wagnerrp: | in jeans? |
| [03:18:31] | [R]: | no |
| [03:18:39] | [R]: | the ac is set to like 75 or so |
| [03:19:28] | wagnerrp: | yeah, ours is set to 68 |
| [03:24:29] | Twiggy2cents: | Weird. Has anybody seen an instance where a external 2.5 usb hdd wont be recognized by anything, including lsusb? It works in windows though |
| [03:27:09] | [R]: | sure |
| [03:27:10] | [R]: | when its dead |
| [03:27:25] | wagnerrp: | or your usb hub is dead |
| [03:27:41] | Twiggy2cents: | The drive is brand new, and works on another computer. |
| [03:27:58] | Twiggy2cents: | dmesg sees it but then gives an error |
| [03:28:14] | Twiggy2cents: | [174613.744104] sd 14:0:0:0: [sdb] Assuming drive cache: write through |
| [03:28:14] | Twiggy2cents: | [174613.744111] sd 14:0:0:0: [sdb] Attached SCSI disk |
| [03:28:14] | Twiggy2cents: | [174614.078687] usb 1–6: USB disconnect, address 21 |
| [03:28:53] | [R]: | woohoo, don't ya just love usb |
| [03:29:17] | Twiggy2cents: | yay usb |
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| [03:48:30] | Twiggy2cents: | ugh, so to get these files to my friend, I have to use my external hdd then take it to my windows laptop and copy them to the nonlinuxaccessable hdd from there |
| [03:49:45] | wagnerrp: | this is a linux desktop? |
| [03:50:52] | Twiggy2cents: | yes |
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| [04:22:25] | [R]: | anytime there is loud bass on the tv |
| [04:22:30] | [R]: | i always think its my neighboors |
| [04:23:12] | wagnerrp: | why dont credit card miles actually equate to miles |
| [04:24:19] | ** [R] tries to come up with a whitty comeback but fails ** | |
| [04:24:39] | wagnerrp: | i hate spiders |
| [04:24:46] | wagnerrp: | i tried to close the garage door tonight |
| [04:24:49] | wagnerrp: | and it kept going back up |
| [04:25:04] | wagnerrp: | there was a dead leaf trapped in a cobweb |
| [04:25:16] | wagnerrp: | and every time the door got about 3 inches from the groud |
| [04:25:22] | [R]: | lol |
| [04:25:25] | wagnerrp: | the leaf dropped in front of the sensor |
| [04:25:30] | wagnerrp: | and the door opened back up |
| [04:27:25] | [R]: | damn leaves |
| [04:27:29] | [R]: | or is it leafes |
| [04:27:41] | wagnerrp: | i dont blame the leaf |
| [04:27:50] | wagnerrp: | its that damned dirty spider! |
| [04:27:55] | [R]: | one of the high schools i went to... their mascot was the wolf... and i was saying wolfs... but aprently its wolves |
| [04:28:37] | wagnerrp: | the high school i want to... their mascot was the trojen |
| [04:28:40] | wagnerrp: | we played it safe |
| [04:28:50] | skd5aner: | iamlindoro: "<iamlindoro> If I stay this bored I might have to actually think about the DVD metadata thing ;P" – excellent – divine timing ;) |
| [04:29:56] | [R]: | haha, yeah, one of the other high schools in my district was the trojans |
| [04:31:12] | [R]: | that was when the high school i was going to was the pioneers |
| [04:31:53] | wagnerrp: | how many died of dysentery? |
| [04:32:05] | skd5aner: | [R]: what area of the country, if you don't mind me asking? |
| [04:32:06] | [R]: | HAHA |
| [04:32:10] | [R]: | skd5aner: arizona |
| [04:32:17] | [R]: | i know, it makes perfect sense, doesn't it |
| [04:32:18] | wagnerrp: | drowned trying to ford the river? |
| [04:32:27] | [R]: | lol |
| [04:32:42] | skd5aner: | ahh... ok, just curious cause where I grew up we had two schools in the same district with the same two mascots... thought it might have been a smaller world |
| [04:33:09] | [R]: | lol |
| [04:33:21] | wagnerrp: | everyone in any major city has a school with pioneers and trojens |
| [04:33:29] | skd5aner: | Pioneers can |
| [04:33:30] | wagnerrp: | there are only so many mascots you can choose from |
| [04:33:37] | skd5aner: | Pioneers can't be as popular as Trojans though |
| [04:33:40] | [R]: | lol |
| [04:34:01] | wagnerrp: | before you start delving into things like the Westfield High Inanimate Carbon Rods |
| [04:34:17] | [R]: | lol |
| [04:34:32] | skd5aner: | Well, there are a couple of weird ones out there |
| [04:34:49] | wagnerrp: | or the Freemont Patio Furniture |
| [04:34:54] | [R]: | another odd arizona one |
| [04:34:58] | [R]: | we had a school that was the Huskies |
| [04:35:01] | wagnerrp: | we dont mind playing in the rain |
| [04:35:10] | skd5aner: | Speedway Sparkplugs |
| [04:35:14] | skd5aner: | and Frankfort Hot Dogs |
| [04:35:20] | wagnerrp: | [R]: is that where all the fat kids went? |
| [04:35:22] | skd5aner: | no kidding, real names |
| [04:35:24] | [R]: | HAHA |
| [04:35:29] | wagnerrp: | im not fat, im husky! |
| [04:36:23] | skd5aner: | University of Washington and University of New Hampshire I think are the Huskies |
| [04:37:13] | skd5aner: | Bet you can't guess the school colors of the Frankfort hot dogs.... |
| [04:37:24] | wagnerrp: | red and yellow |
| [04:37:25] | skd5aner: | and by that I mean, I bet you can guess it... yes, it is the obvious guess |
| [04:37:30] | skd5aner: | yup |
| [04:37:41] | wagnerrp: | wait, thats real? |
| [04:37:48] | skd5aner: | Yea, I'm not making that stuff up |
| [04:37:58] | wagnerrp: | that might be worth the drive to see the banner |
| [04:38:19] | skd5aner: | http://fhs.frankfortschools.org/ |
| [04:38:35] | wagnerrp: | frankfort... capitol? |
| [04:38:37] | [R]: | that guy looks like a chomo |
| [04:38:40] | skd5aner: | Nope |
| [04:38:43] | [R]: | oh, the pictures change... |
| [04:38:49] | wagnerrp: | oh, nevermind then |
| [04:38:53] | [R]: | the guy with the mustache in the first picture set |
| [04:38:59] | wagnerrp: | if not frankfort, it may be a long drive |
| [04:39:00] | skd5aner: | Speedway Sparkplugs are in Indy |
| [04:40:35] | skd5aner: | hrmmm... http://www.faqs.org/shareranks/1875,20-Top-Weird-School-Mascots |
| [04:41:03] | skd5aner: | anyway – baby's starting to cry, off to daddy duty |
| [04:42:01] | [R]: | 3 of them are in arizona |
| [04:42:01] | [R]: | lol |
| [04:42:23] | [R]: | oh wait thats not the locations |
| [04:42:24] | [R]: | thats votes |
| [04:44:57] | wagnerrp: | the unicorns! yes! |
| [04:45:09] | ** wagnerrp wonders if theyre a school for the performing arts ** | |
| [04:45:09] | [R]: | did you see horrible bosses? |
| [04:45:58] | wagnerrp: | is yellow jacket really that odd? |
| [04:46:20] | wagnerrp: | i know someone who went to a school with the mascot blue jackets |
| [04:47:11] | [R]: | what is a blue jacket? |
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| [04:49:51] | ovrflw0x: | does 6900 MSPS = 6900000 KS? |
| [04:50:44] | [R]: | wtf? |
| [04:50:50] | ovrflw0x: | [R]: ? |
| [04:51:30] | wagnerrp: | megasamples per second? |
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| [04:52:59] | ovrflw0x: | wagnerrp: i guess that's it |
| [04:53:04] | wagnerrp: | argull warriors? |
| [04:53:34] | ovrflw0x: | does 6900 MSPS = 6900000 KS? is this correct? |
| [04:53:44] | wagnerrp: | can you give some context? |
| [04:53:56] | [R]: | lol |
| [04:54:17] | ovrflw0x: | yes 256 QAM, 6900 MSPS, 330,00 MHz |
| [04:54:44] | wagnerrp: | what does that have to do with mythtv? |
| [04:55:10] | ovrflw0x: | i'm scanning for digital channels |
| [04:55:23] | ovrflw0x: | and i need to know the values |
| [04:55:29] | wagnerrp: | and that shows up in mythtv's scannerrrr? |
| [04:56:10] | ovrflw0x: | wagnerrp: it shows up has sample rate right? 6900, i found 6900msps in settopbox |
| [04:56:17] | ovrflw0x: | as* |
| [04:56:28] | wagnerrp: | what does the STB have to do with digital channels in mythtv? |
| [04:57:07] | ovrflw0x: | wagnerrp: think like this: take all the input values from set top box and insert it into mythtv configuration, so you can view channels and be happy? |
| [04:57:33] | wagnerrp: | no, you scan using mythtv's internal scanner |
| [04:57:40] | wagnerrp: | the STB is not involved in this at all |
| [04:57:58] | ovrflw0x: | wagnerrp: will mythtv automagically figure out all the values? |
| [04:58:10] | wagnerrp: | what values? |
| [04:58:21] | ovrflw0x: | wagnerrp: Mhz, QAM, MSPS? |
| [04:58:35] | wagnerrp: | that is the entire purpose of a channel scanner |
| [04:59:52] | ovrflw0x: | wagnerrp: i tried many software : progDVB, DVBDream, Terratec Home Cinema – but n one are able list a single channel, will mythtv for windows be able to scan for channels? |
| [05:00:01] | ovrflw0x: | none* |
| [05:00:13] | wagnerrp: | mythtv for windows? |
| [05:00:24] | wagnerrp: | mythtv is a linux software |
| [05:00:47] | ovrflw0x: | wagnerrp: i say to you to stop arguing |
| [05:00:55] | Twiggy2cents: | s/linux/linux mac windows/ |
| [05:01:01] | ovrflw0x: | mythtv for windows is available |
| [05:01:09] | wagnerrp: | no, mythfrontend for windows is available |
| [05:01:23] | wagnerrp: | the backend is designed to run on windows |
| [05:01:31] | Twiggy2cents: | lol |
| [05:01:40] | wagnerrp: | but in a pinch, it will run on freebsd or osx, with limited tuner support |
| [05:01:41] | Twiggy2cents: | windows backend? |
| [05:01:45] | wagnerrp: | erm... the backend is designed to run on LINUX |
| [05:01:52] | wagnerrp: | the backend will not run on windows |
| [05:02:14] | wagnerrp: | the backend is used to record, the frontend is used to play |
| [05:02:20] | ovrflw0x: | wagnerrp: answer me question, will mythtv frontend be able to scan for channels? |
| [05:02:31] | Twiggy2cents: | no |
| [05:02:33] | wagnerrp: | no, because the frontend does not interface with capture hardware |
| [05:02:41] | wagnerrp: | the frontend is for playback only |
| [05:02:45] | wagnerrp: | the backend performs recording |
| [05:03:09] | wagnerrp: | if you want to use a tuner card, or usb tuner, you must run a linux backend |
| [05:03:19] | wagnerrp: | and then, your tuner must be supported by linux drivers |
| [05:03:34] | ovrflw0x: | wagnerrp: i have elgato eyetv hybrid and tuner driver is not available for linux |
| [05:03:48] | [R]: | well that sucks, now doesn't it? |
| [05:03:52] | wagnerrp: | and mythtv does not support the OSX capture interfaces |
| [05:04:16] | wagnerrp: | it will do HDHRs and firewire, but no tuner hardware |
| [05:04:45] | ovrflw0x: | [R]: is there now any magical software i can use with my tuner to scan for channels? |
| [05:05:06] | [R]: | ovrflw0x: this is #mythtv... not #magicalsoftwre |
| [05:05:11] | wagnerrp: | yes, there are many programs you can use to scan channels, but this channel deals with mythtv |
| [05:05:17] | wagnerrp: | and mythtv can only scan for channels on linux |
| [05:05:28] | ovrflw0x: | wagnerrp: can you name some? |
| [05:05:48] | wagnerrp: | last time i used windows as a DVR, i used GBPVR |
| [05:05:53] | wagnerrp: | but that was in 2005 |
| [05:06:02] | ovrflw0x: | i tried gb-pvr but no dice |
| [05:06:03] | wagnerrp: | cant help you beyond that |
| [05:06:05] | ovrflw0x: | !next |
| [05:07:36] | iamlindoro: | ovrflw0x: This is not the right place to get advice on alternatives to MythTV. If you want that, you really need to go elsewhere. If you would like to ask further questions about MythTV, you may do so. |
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| [05:07:41] | iamlindoro: | aaaand bye |
| [05:07:46] | wagnerrp: | heh |
| [05:08:16] | wagnerrp: | my god... he actually came up with the plan of manually inserting channels as listed by his STB all on his own? |
| [05:08:43] | [R]: | ll |
| [05:08:45] | [R]: | lol* |
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| [05:09:18] | ovrflw0x: | so did anyone say anything about channel scanning software? |
| [05:09:34] | wagnerrp: | mythtv has its own channel scanner |
| [05:09:38] | [R]: | lol |
| [05:09:40] | ovrflw0x: | atleast can anyone tell if 1msps = 1000ks |
| [05:09:42] | wagnerrp: | we do not use external scanning software |
| [05:10:03] | wagnerrp: | the mythtv channel scanner handles all of these internal details for us |
| [05:10:34] | ovrflw0x: | oh goodie that's nice |
| [05:10:45] | wagnerrp: | are you getting the theme here? |
| [05:10:52] | wagnerrp: | this channel is mythtv user support |
| [05:10:56] | wagnerrp: | support for people using mythtv |
| [05:11:08] | iamlindoro: | ovrflw0x: This is not the right place to get advice on alternatives to MythTV. If you want that, you really need to go elsewhere. If you would like to ask further questions about MythTV, you may do so. |
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| [05:11:23] | wagnerrp: | we cant help you with <insert other software> because we dont use it |
| [05:11:27] | wagnerrp: | we dont know anything about it |
| [05:11:30] | ** [R] feels the dynomite about to go boom ** | |
| [05:11:54] | wagnerrp: | if you want to use mythtv, then thats fine |
| [05:12:03] | wagnerrp: | but you seem to not have the hardware or software to do so |
| [05:12:04] | ovrflw0x: | i said i don't have driver for tuner on linux |
| [05:12:14] | iamlindoro: | Then this channel is not relevant to you |
| [05:12:18] | iamlindoro: | and you shoudl seek help elsewhere |
| [05:12:55] | ovrflw0x: | ok mythtv-users good bye |
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| [05:12:55] | ** iamlindoro preps a message to Chanserv ** | |
| [05:13:06] | iamlindoro: | good luck, bye |
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| [05:14:37] | wagnerrp: | good lord... |
| [05:15:23] | Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +o wagnerrp | |
| [05:16:26] | wagnerrp!~wagnerrp_@mythtv/developer/wagnerrp changes topic to Welcome to the official MythTV user-to-user support channel | If you are seeking help with software other than MythTV, we cannot help you | http://mythtv.org/ | Stable release: 0.24 | FAQ http://mythtv.org/wiki/IRC | Wiki http://mythtv.org/wiki/ | Use http://mythtv.pastebin.com | US/Canada Listings: http://schedulesdirect.org/ | Piracy will not be tolerated | |
| [05:16:45] | Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : -o wagnerrp | |
| [05:16:56] | k-man: | I find it interesting how people ask questions like that |
| [05:17:09] | k-man: | or linux questions on #windows or vice versa |
| [05:17:50] | [R]: | wagnerrp: and you really think people are going to read that? |
| [05:18:10] | wagnerrp: | no, but i can point at that topic |
| [05:18:13] | wagnerrp: | and then beat them with it |
| [05:18:25] | [R]: | lol |
| [05:19:00] | ** wagnerrp gets the clue stick ** | |
| [05:19:10] | wagnerrp is now known as clue_stick | |
| [05:19:15] | [R]: | i prefer my clue by 4 |
| [05:19:18] | ** clue_stick hits ovrflw0x ** | |
| [05:19:23] | ** clue_stick hits ovrflw0x again ** | |
| [05:19:32] | ** clue_stick continues hiting ovrflw0x ** | |
| [05:19:37] | clue_stick is now known as wagnerrp | |
| [05:24:35] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: OK, quick question. :) |
| [05:24:37] | iamlindoro: | I hear they make clue from old horses |
| [05:24:45] | Beirdo: | zfs create zroot/opt |
| [05:24:57] | Beirdo: | why does it put the mountpoint to legacy? |
| [05:24:57] | iamlindoro: | Han Solo's buddy? Cluebacca |
| [05:25:10] | iamlindoro: | Favorite salad topping? Cluetons. |
| [05:25:49] | iamlindoro: | Enjoy preppy clothing? Shop at J. Clue. |
| [05:26:04] | Beirdo: | heh |
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| [05:29:24] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: is zroot set to legacy? |
| [05:29:28] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: forced it with -o mountpoint=/opt |
| [05:29:32] | Beirdo: | yeah, it is |
| [05:29:43] | Beirdo: | but just zroot |
| [05:29:44] | wagnerrp: | when you create a new volume, it inherits the mountpoint from the parent, unless specified otherwise |
| [05:29:56] | wagnerrp: | you can use '-o' during creationg |
| [05:30:05] | Beirdo: | ahhh |
| [05:30:10] | wagnerrp: | or 'zfs set mountpoint=/opt zroot/opt' |
| [05:30:33] | Beirdo: | good to know :) |
| [05:32:55] | wagnerrp: | you know, that guy is going to tell people were a bunch of assholes |
| [05:33:50] | wagnerrp: | "they wouldnt help me use windows DVR software" |
| [05:35:22] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [05:36:30] | Beirdo: | now, what to use to transfer a lv over the network to an image file on the other box |
| [05:37:04] | k-man: | ftp |
| [05:37:24] | wagnerrp: | what exactly do you want to accomplish? |
| [05:37:41] | wagnerrp: | you want the image to remain an lvm volume? |
| [05:37:48] | Beirdo: | no |
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| [05:37:58] | Beirdo: | I just want teh "partition" image |
| [05:38:37] | Beirdo: | so /dev/optData/gallery1 on the linux box -> /opt/images/gallery1.img on the freebsd box |
| [05:38:50] | Beirdo: | dd, basically, but over the network |
| [05:39:20] | k-man: | is it a "file" in the first location? |
| [05:39:24] | Beirdo: | I guess at worst, I could dd to a file image... then rsync it over |
| [05:39:37] | Beirdo: | no, it's an LVM2 logical volume |
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| [05:39:57] | k-man: | can you dd | netcat or something? |
| [05:40:16] | Beirdo: | possibly |
| [05:40:22] | k-man: | how big is this image? |
| [05:40:23] | Beirdo: | be messy though |
| [05:40:30] | k-man: | over ethernet? |
| [05:40:39] | Beirdo: | I have 2TB of images of various sizes |
| [05:41:39] | Beirdo: | some of which are swap partitions.. hehe |
| [05:42:09] | k-man: | Beirdo, does this help? http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/howto-copy-comp . . . network.html |
| [05:42:16] | k-man: | incidentaly, they use nc |
| [05:44:23] | Beirdo: | I guess taht could work |
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| [05:45:05] | k-man: | some of the comments are interesting re using gzip -3 for speed, and bs=16M |
| [05:45:40] | k-man: | i'd be worried about corruption though |
| [05:45:53] | k-man: | best to do an md5 sum each side to be sure |
| [05:46:06] | Beirdo: | why? |
| [05:46:13] | k-man: | err... |
| [05:46:17] | Beirdo: | if I'm using TCP, there's no point |
| [05:46:44] | k-man: | I don't know – my experience is that transfering massive files, things happen for some reason |
| [05:47:11] | Beirdo: | I think I'll do it my own way |
| [05:47:38] | k-man: | which is? |
| [05:47:39] | Beirdo: | create a local image file, compress it, rsync it over |
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| [05:49:12] | k-man: | sounds good |
| [05:57:56] | Beirdo: | actually, more fun |
| [05:58:35] | Beirdo: | dd if=/dev/optData/gallery1 bs=16M | ssh freebsd -C dd of=/opt/images/gallery1.img |
| [05:59:11] | Beirdo: | Hmm |
| [05:59:18] | [R]: | so when i hit bakcspace ,my computer makes a noise if there is nothing to backspace |
| [05:59:23] | [R]: | i can do the green acres theme song in the beeps |
| [05:59:33] | Beirdo: | I think it would be faster if I move the drive onto the same network segment :) |
| [05:59:41] | Beirdo: | my poor wireless |
| [06:01:28] | Beirdo: | let's move it |
| [06:01:40] | Beirdo: | mount |
| [06:01:50] | Beirdo: | err, let's try the other window ;) |
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| [06:15:54] | Beirdo: | ok that's much better |
| [06:18:02] | Beirdo: | what I intend to keep I'll create new images for |
| [06:18:16] | Beirdo: | but for now, I just want to get them on the box |
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| [06:43:38] | k-man: | Beirdo, won't it be very slow over ssh? |
| [06:45:04] | wagnerrp: | any halfway decent machine will easily outrun wireless ethernet over ssh |
| [06:45:38] | k-man: | years ago I remember reading about some program that was called firehose, for transfering massive files. it could multiplex a transfer over many connection types, like ethernet and firewire simulteneously |
| [06:46:26] | wagnerrp: | i remember that, never found the purpose for it |
| [06:46:29] | Beirdo: | I don't feel like opening custom crap :) |
| [06:46:42] | Beirdo: | ssh with compression should do fine over gige |
| [06:46:46] | k-man: | wagnerrp, no, me either, but I thought it was interesting |
| [06:47:09] | k-man: | I imagine it would be useful for animators |
| [06:47:13] | Beirdo: | [root@freebsd /opt/images]# file gallery1.img |
| [06:47:13] | Beirdo: | gallery1.img: SGI XFS filesystem data (blksz 4096, inosz 256, v2 dirs) |
| [06:47:15] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [06:47:19] | k-man: | but also, it was in the days before gigabit ethernet |
| [06:47:32] | Beirdo: | it's still transferring, but it's enough for file to identify it |
| [06:47:33] | balor_: | I have a DVB radio channel that myth plays the audio then fails after not getting the video feed. |
| [06:47:43] | wagnerrp: | we would push 35MBps over antique 2GHz single core AMD64s using SCP |
| [06:47:52] | balor_: | Do I need to mark the channel as a radio channel somehow? |
| [06:48:00] | wagnerrp: | i have to believe whatever beirdo is using is at least that powerful |
| [06:48:07] | k-man: | wagnerrp, really? interesting |
| [06:48:16] | wagnerrp: | balor_: we have problems with that off and on |
| [06:48:22] | k-man: | I think ftp is supposed to be very efficient too |
| [06:48:27] | wagnerrp: | there is a ticket open for it currently |
| [06:48:34] | Beirdo: | this is from a Core2Duo 2.66GHz (I think) to P4 3.0GHz or so |
| [06:48:36] | wagnerrp: | sure, if you have ftp set up |
| [06:48:56] | balor_: | wagnerrp, great. |
| [06:49:02] | Beirdo: | netcat would be the "fastest", although I'd do it over TCP anyways |
| [06:50:34] | Beirdo: | the limiting factor is likely the USB connection |
| [06:50:43] | k-man: | USB? |
| [06:50:52] | k-man: | where does that come into it? |
| [06:51:11] | Beirdo: | the drive containing the LVM is a 2TB external (USB2.0) |
| [06:51:17] | k-man: | oh |
| [06:51:25] | k-man: | interesting |
| [06:51:54] | Beirdo: | unfortunately, I don't see a way fro FreeBSD to talk LVM2, so I have it hooked to the linux box next to it |
| [06:53:28] | Beirdo: | gonna be slow to transfer all this crap, but... |
| [06:54:16] | dekarl: | skd5aner: you might as well try to get someone to extend mb into tvbrainz, extend the datamodel along the tva schema for a start (no more static series/season/episode but more like ordered collections of ordered collections) and enjoy the great editing process... begging on tvdb to fix bugs in data/code when "it's on the list for the great rewrite" or "it's locked because it's good enough to slap pictures on scene releases" is |
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| [07:04:57] | dekarl: | sphery: wrt xmltv api for preferred runtime. I can imagine something similar to http://wiki.xmltv.org/index.php/XmltvCapabili . . . ferredmethod but returning a timespan "00–00", "22:30–09:30" (run from 2230 up to but not including 0930) I can't decide if basing the data type on ISO8601 or xml datetime is the better aproach. What about "floating local time" or "UTC"? Do you have time to come up with a proposal? |
| [07:04:57] | dekarl: | And I have anecdotic references to running recordings breaking when you update their program data from xmltv, need to verify that. |
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| [07:05:53] | wagnerrp: | dekarl: running recordings shouldnt have problems on their own from changes in program |
| [07:06:15] | wagnerrp: | however, if the information about the program is changed such that it no longer matches the recording rule |
| [07:06:32] | wagnerrp: | the scheduler made decide to terminate the recording when it gets rerun by mythfilldatabase |
| [07:08:24] | dekarl: | wagnerrp: that's what the code told me, too. It's just that I have a vague memory of breaking recordings when I was refreshing the guide data every 5 minutes (as I was changing it upstream for stuff like star-rating etc...) |
| [07:09:10] | dekarl: | I think there's a reason that mfdb does not fetch data for today and is run shortly after the wrap of days... so mfdb has lots of time before it will run into recordings... better safe then sorry? |
| [07:09:19] | dekarl: | brb |
| [07:11:20] | dudz_: | dekarl, neck up |
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| [07:23:43] | Beirdo: | 4831838208 bytes (4.8 GB) copied, 3964.73 s, 1.2 MB/s |
| [07:23:55] | Beirdo: | seems a bit slow, but it worked |
| [07:26:06] | k-man: | what kind of network was that over? |
| [07:26:17] | Beirdo: | gig e |
| [07:26:17] | balor_: | Beirdo, that's about 10Mbps |
| [07:26:23] | Beirdo: | I know |
| [07:27:30] | dekarl: | dudz_: huh? |
| [07:32:30] | Beirdo: | hahah |
| [07:32:39] | Beirdo: | I forgot the bs=16M on the receiving dd |
| [07:32:47] | Beirdo: | that would likely be part of the problem |
| [07:34:23] | Beirdo: | 1073741824 bytes (1.1 GB) copied, 204.748 s, 5.2 MB/s |
| [07:34:30] | Beirdo: | that's more like it |
| [07:34:38] | Beirdo: | still slow |
| [07:36:28] | k-man: | try without ssh in the way |
| [07:36:44] | Beirdo: | nah |
| [07:37:02] | Beirdo: | I'll try without compression on the ssh though |
| [07:38:02] | Beirdo: | betcha it's slower |
| [07:42:28] | dudz_: | dekarl, fashion a noose and apply it to your neck while having it attached firmly to a overhead fixture. |
| [07:43:29] | Beirdo: | dudz_: what's yer prob? |
| [07:43:53] | dudz_: | don't ask questions, |
| [07:44:40] | Beirdo: | why not? |
| [07:45:27] | dudz_: | i'm trying to insult dekarl and i don't need you geting in my way |
| [07:46:24] | Beirdo: | Or you could decide to be civil. |
| [07:47:08] | dudz_: | to what end |
| [07:47:49] | Beirdo: | to prolong your time in our channel? |
| [07:48:15] | dekarl: | dudz_: You lost, I think I'll help fixing tv_grab_au anyway. Laters, got to earn some money. |
| [07:48:22] | Beirdo: | random abuse is generally not tolerated :) |
| [07:48:40] | Beirdo: | dekarl: money? :) meh |
| [07:49:00] | Beirdo: | I'd hope you're in Europe then as it's bedtime ehre |
| [07:50:36] | dudz_: | i just figured dekarl was someone who needed a good insult to get him to rethink his ways |
| [07:51:03] | k-man: | what are you on about dudz_? |
| [07:51:17] | Beirdo: | and where can we get some? |
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| [07:52:24] | dudz_: | feed your body enough it can produce all you need |
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| [07:53:02] | Beirdo: | don't ferget to wipe. |
| [07:53:27] | Beirdo: | without ssh compression: |
| [07:53:27] | Beirdo: | 1073741824 bytes (1.1 GB) copied, 934.531 s, 1.1 MB/s |
| [07:53:36] | Beirdo: | as expected |
| [07:53:47] | k-man: | what is the load like when copying Beirdo? |
| [07:53:55] | Beirdo: | pretty low |
| [07:54:14] | Beirdo: | I'll try nc then go to bed |
| [07:54:23] | k-man: | what's the theoretical limit for data transfers over usb? |
| [07:54:41] | Beirdo: | usb2? 400mbit/s, isn't it? |
| [07:54:48] | [R]: | isn't it 480? |
| [07:54:51] | Beirdo: | or something like that? |
| [07:57:59] | k-man: | hrm – an aptitude full-upgrade on debian testing seems to have removed qmake and a few qt packages that broke building mythtv |
| [07:58:15] | k-man: | soon added them back again |
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| [08:09:05] | k-man: | it would be interesting to see some real world stats on usb transfer speeds |
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| [08:18:17] | Beirdo: | nc is about the same speed as ssh |
| [08:18:22] | Beirdo: | it's not the network :) |
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| [08:20:18] | k-man: | interesting |
| [08:20:31] | k-man: | its sure to be the usb interface |
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| [08:20:53] | Beirdo: | maybe a touch faster because I couldn't start them simultaneously |
| [08:21:09] | Beirdo: | so there was a delay with no traffic at the beginning |
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| [08:33:44] | Beirdo: | welp, enough messing about. bed |
| [08:37:06] | k-man: | night Beirdo |
| [08:39:12] | k-man: | someone here suggested I could play a folder of files in mythvideo – but I couldn't see how to do that in .24.1 is it a post .24.1 feature? |
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| [11:25:48] | wagnerrp: | k-man: thats like a 0.23 feature |
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| [12:06:46] | wagnerrp: | sphery: up at 5am? youve got even stranger hours than me |
| [12:12:59] | jduggan: | maybe he has kids |
| [12:13:10] | jduggan: | theyre a great way to get you up early in the mornings :) |
| [12:13:24] | wagnerrp: | i think he has family over |
| [12:26:54] | ThisNewGuy: | iamlindoro: since getting the latest yesterday it looks like --refresh-all-artwork never finishes (it's been running for over 8 hours) – is this a known issue? Anything I can do to help? |
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| [13:18:17] | iamlindoro: | ThisNewGuy: Please just always assume the answer to that question is "track down the problem and produce a patch" |
| [13:18:44] | iamlindoro: | You're running development code-- things break |
| [13:19:33] | iamlindoro: | IF you're going to come hunting me personally to get one on one developer assistance, at least include the revisions you are running, log out, put, SOMETHING of value |
| [13:22:00] | iamlindoro: | Sorry to seem irritated, I should have more patience-- I get short tempered when I start to feel like someone's personal dev :( |
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| [13:23:31] | ThisNewGuy: | iamlindoro: I didn't mean to complain – my intent was to be useful – I'm running dd4e47bdf686484d6717c6ad93faa113f1c46dd8 |
| [13:23:41] | wagnerrp: | hey, at least hes looking for help with running mythtv |
| [13:23:48] | wagnerrp: | and not X random windows application |
| [13:23:50] | wagnerrp: | :) |
| [13:24:09] | iamlindoro: | so he's running random X Windows application rather than X random Windows application ;) |
| [13:24:31] | iamlindoro: | ThisNewGuy: I know, was just the first thing I saw when I got up-- I apologize, I should have taken a shower or something before responding |
| [13:24:32] | ThisNewGuy: | I'll stop mentioning you directly – my mistake |
| [13:24:42] | iamlindoro: | ThisNewGuy: No, don't-- you *are* being helpful-- it's my mistake |
| [13:25:09] | iamlindoro: | ThisNewGuy: Probable fix pushed |
| [13:25:18] | ThisNewGuy: | k – cool – thanks |
| [13:25:54] | iamlindoro: | np, sorry for overreacting |
| [13:25:55] | wagnerrp: | borders closed |
| [13:28:12] | ThisNewGuy: | nw – I'm a dev too – I know what it's like to walk in and feel bombarded by what feels like constant complaints |
| [13:31:25] | wagnerrp: | thats why we need people people, so the users dont talk to the devs |
| [13:34:52] | mycosys: | the dib0700 tuners dump the entire stream to the system, so myth can record every stream on that channel with one tuner, right? |
| [13:35:14] | wagnerrp: | mythtv only supports up to five virtual tuners |
| [13:36:03] | mycosys: | so up to 5 streams would be fine, no other limitation? |
| [13:36:28] | wagnerrp: | yes, with five virtual tuners configured in mythtv-setup |
| [13:37:06] | wagnerrp: | technically, mythtv has no limit |
| [13:37:12] | iamlindoro: | ThisNewGuy: Anyway, so now having taken the time to shower and get cleaned up, I thank you for your enthusiasm about the new metadata stuff-- I've often said I want it to be extremely polished before the average user gets it, and getting these kinds of reports are essential to that |
| [13:37:20] | wagnerrp: | the five virtual limit is a soft limit defined in the mythtv-setup UI |
| [13:37:37] | wagnerrp: | however there are scaling issues with the scheduler |
| [13:37:54] | iamlindoro: | And definite hardware issues with some cards |
| [13:38:05] | wagnerrp: | and some tuners physically do not support lots of virtual tuners |
| [13:38:11] | wagnerrp: | issues with their PID filter |
| [13:38:37] | mycosys: | iamlindoro – sony playtv or asusU3100mini |
| [13:38:48] | mycosys: | both dib0700 |
| [13:39:09] | iamlindoro: | mycosys: I've never really heard of many Myth users using either, so honestly I can't make that call |
| [13:39:28] | mycosys: | quite popular here in AU |
| [13:40:10] | mycosys: | both are pain free on any modern distro |
| [13:40:28] | iamlindoro: | I'm sure that's true, I just personally haven't heard of people using those partisular ones in large numbers, so don't want to step up and be the decider ;) |
| [13:41:01] | mycosys: | lol fair call |
| [13:41:16] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: Doesn't MythWeb remote control "fake it" by checking the list of *backends* and then testing which also have a FE control port open? |
| [13:41:27] | mycosys: | apparently the playtv is quite nice, complete with proper metal box for sheilding |
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| [13:42:22] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: no, backwards |
| [13:42:31] | wagnerrp: | it grabs the list of hostnames with a port listed |
| [13:42:37] | wagnerrp: | and spends 2 seconds trying each |
| [13:43:09] | wagnerrp: | it currently does not cross reference with backends |
| [13:43:18] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: ok-- thought I had heard it the other way |
| [13:43:23] | iamlindoro: | sounds like you know better than I |
| [13:43:39] | wagnerrp: | it may have changed |
| [13:44:00] | wagnerrp: | but thats how it was about a year and a half ago when i duplicated that in the bindings |
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| [13:44:53] | iamlindoro: | sounds like a much more sensible way anyway ;) |
| [13:45:28] | wagnerrp: | well... except you have to wait for each to time out |
| [13:45:49] | wagnerrp: | the sensible way would be for the backend to track such things |
| [13:45:58] | wagnerrp: | and for mythweb to simply query available frontends |
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| [13:53:52] | ThisNewGuy: | iamlindoro: no worries – thanks for making it a reality and being so responsive |
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| [14:08:29] | tlhiv_laptop: | how do you change the amount of time that Left/Right skips? |
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| [14:23:05] | ThisNewGuy: | iamlindoro: the latest commit fixed my issue – thanks! |
| [14:27:48] | iamlindoro: | ThisNewGuy: np, figured it would-- the programs being worked on are stored in a list, and when they're "checked back in" they need to be removed from the list or mml will never exit |
| [14:28:11] | iamlindoro: | When I added the year matching stuff, I forgot to have it remove the program from the tracking list in the case of a year match |
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| [14:34:15] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: Ref "Playback Problems in iPlayer HD playback," isn't he talking about flash playback? |
| [14:34:44] | iamlindoro: | Whole thread seems to have devolved into GL and Xv semantics, but since it's iPlayer, doesn't sound relevant? |
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| [14:39:04] | wagnerrp: | i did see that, but in that case, hardware decoding doesnt play into effect at all |
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| [14:45:22] | iamlindoro: | hah, TVDB has pawn stars all messed up-- says that season 2 is 96 episodes long, over two years |
| [14:45:49] | iamlindoro: | I suspected problems with MythMetadataLookup or the bindings, but sure enough, it's just weird info from TTVDB |
| [14:50:19] | wagnerrp: | HAHAHAHAHAHAA |
| [14:50:26] | ** wagnerrp inhales ** | |
| [14:50:31] | wagnerrp: | HAHAHAHAAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA |
| [14:51:16] | iamlindoro: | ? |
| [14:51:22] | wagnerrp: | http://www.mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/ . . . /318107.html |
| [14:52:12] | iamlindoro: | oh dear |
| [14:56:20] | sphery: | wagnerrp: heh, well it looks like your explanation was much better than my 5:08am explanation--he understood you |
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| [14:57:21] | sphery: | not that that particular response showed understanding... |
| [14:57:22] | iamlindoro: | why does warpme have to open a ticket every time he doesn't understand a log message? |
| [14:59:37] | iamlindoro: | Anyone notice a slight decline in the quality of copy editing in TMS listings lately? |
| [14:59:57] | iamlindoro: | verbs missing, incorrect grammar and/or spelling-- I'm seeing a lot more than I remember lately |
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| [15:02:37] | Slasher`: | hey all, i got my replacement tv card today – seems to have the same damn issue grrr... it seems to sort of work, but when i do cat /dev/video0 > test.avi – here's the output of that file http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5-xHO7SFKg it goes all fuzzy as you can see... anyone have any idea what I could try please? I've tried a different lead to no avail :( |
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| [15:04:32] | Slasher`: | if it's defective, heads are going to roll somewhere lol |
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| [15:15:50] | wagnerrp: | no video card outputs avi files |
| [15:15:56] | wagnerrp: | s/video/tuner/ |
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| [15:17:59] | Slasher`: | hmm, well that returns the same output as it does if i try to play back with mythtv |
| [15:18:33] | sphery: | Slasher`: what capture card did you get? |
| [15:18:40] | Slasher`: | erm |
| [15:18:41] | Slasher`: | the 150 |
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| [15:18:50] | Slasher`: | pvr-150 |
| [15:18:56] | sphery: | and you're sure you've set the right TV Format and input? |
| [15:19:06] | sphery: | using v4l2ctl or whatever it is |
| [15:19:08] | Slasher`: | i assume so, i've tried several |
| [15:19:10] | Slasher`: | hmm |
| [15:19:15] | Slasher`: | v4l2ctl maybe not |
| [15:19:17] | Slasher`: | let me look |
| [15:19:18] | sphery: | (for the command-line test) |
| [15:19:21] | Slasher`: | how would i check that? |
| [15:20:09] | sphery: | v4l<Tab> and possibly another <Tab> to find out what it's actually called, then <whatever-program-name> --help |
| [15:20:34] | sphery: | should have things like list inputs and set input and list formats and set formats and such |
| [15:20:48] | Slasher`: | got it, thanks, lets try messing with this |
| [15:21:36] | sphery: | looks like v4l2-ctl --list-inputs ; v4l2-ctl --list-standards |
| [15:22:36] | sphery: | and maybe for --list-formats and --list-inputs . and make sure it's 720x480 |
| [15:23:28] | wagnerrp: | google registers 'g.co' |
| [15:23:40] | wagnerrp: | i didnt think single character domains were allowed |
| [15:23:52] | Slasher`: | 720x480 is for NTSC, right? |
| [15:23:58] | sphery: | yeah |
| [15:24:03] | Slasher`: | cause the cards NTSC but im trying to put a pal signal through s-video |
| [15:24:15] | sphery: | ahhh, someone was doing that a while back and had issues |
| [15:24:22] | Slasher`: | could have been me lol |
| [15:24:26] | sphery: | using a SCART->S-Video adapter? |
| [15:24:29] | Slasher`: | yeah |
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| [15:25:33] | sphery: | hmmm, yeah, looks like you should ask Slasher` . He's the last guy I know who tried this. ;) |
| [15:25:40] | Slasher`: | LOL |
| [15:25:58] | ** Slasher` asks himself and then replies, "yeah, bin the card and scrap the whole idea ** | |
| [15:26:07] | sphery: | you did confirm it's working properly in Windows, right? I think Devin had convinced you to try that? |
| [15:26:08] | Slasher`: | " |
| [15:26:13] | sphery: | heh |
| [15:26:19] | Slasher`: | the other one didn't work in windows |
| [15:26:24] | sphery: | this one does? |
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| [15:26:25] | Slasher`: | i havent tried this one in windows yet |
| [15:26:31] | sphery: | might want to go there first... :) |
| [15:26:32] | Slasher`: | i need to steal a windows machine again first |
| [15:26:50] | Slasher`: | i probably should |
| [15:26:51] | Slasher`: | hmm |
| [15:27:01] | sphery: | good luck... hope it does work |
| [15:27:19] | Slasher`: | thanks |
| [15:27:24] | Slasher`: | if not heads will roll lol |
| [15:27:49] | sphery: | and you had tried some other device that has an s-video or composite output, too, right (to make sure it wasn't just the scart to s-video adapter) |
| [15:28:03] | sphery: | think you had tried a laptop or something... |
| [15:28:46] | Slasher`: | yeah ive tried my laptop again |
| [15:28:57] | Slasher`: | svideo to svideo that one is |
| [15:29:10] | Slasher`: | i've tried messing with formats on mythtv |
| [15:29:10] | sphery: | hmmm |
| [15:29:16] | Slasher`: | as in pal ntsc pal-i etc |
| [15:29:22] | Slasher`: | some are a little clearer than others |
| [15:29:25] | Slasher`: | ntsc is just green |
| [15:29:39] | Slasher`: | pal is like fuzzy static as if trying to tune in an analog tv |
| [15:29:48] | sphery: | yeah, if you can get it working at the command line, we can help translate the working config to a mythtv config |
| [15:30:01] | Slasher`: | i may go through all the formats |
| [15:30:07] | sphery: | until then, though, I'd just be guessing (and that didn't help too much before :) |
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| [15:30:51] | Slasher`: | i still appreciate it though |
| [15:31:47] | sphery: | anyway, when you do get it working, please let me know how. at this point, I'm curious what the key is |
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| [15:33:33] | Slasher`: | if i do, i shall do |
| [15:40:55] | Slasher`: | are there any other recommended tv cards that have a low profile option? |
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| [15:42:31] | sphery: | all I can give is generalized recommendation that for analog capture, you use a hardware encoder card... don't know any of the PAL card types, but there's probably a Hauppauge card or 5 that do it--not sure if any are low-profile |
| [15:42:53] | ** Slasher` ebays "Hauppauge low profile" ** | |
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| [15:44:08] | ThisNewGuy: | iamlindoro: if something is a TV show but it doesn't have a subtitle, what do you think of matching on the original air date to try to guess the episode number? |
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| [15:44:38] | iamlindoro: | ThisNewGuy: Won't work-- original airdate of a generic program will always be date of first aired episode, thus 1x01 |
| [15:45:05] | iamlindoro: | So it will be incorrect 99 times for every one time it is right |
| [15:45:18] | ThisNewGuy: | I have a ton of shows (e.g. America's Got Talent) that don't have subtitles but aren't generic |
| [15:45:27] | iamlindoro: | Those are the exception, not the rule |
| [15:46:05] | iamlindoro: | There is absolutely no way I can/will implement airdate matching, as it introduces the above problem in the US, and even more problems abroad |
| [15:47:37] | iamlindoro: | It just introduces an extremely high likelihood of falsely calling something the wrong season and episode |
| [15:47:50] | iamlindoro: | unacceptably high, to me |
| [15:48:17] | ThisNewGuy: | even if it only tries if recordedprogram.generic is false? |
| [15:48:29] | iamlindoro: | even then |
| [15:49:27] | Slasher`: | grrr annoying, nothing out there cheap enough – what about usb devices, anyone know what the best (cheap) one to get for the s-video/scart input to get would be, please? |
| [15:53:06] | Slasher`: | blah the WinTV-HVR-2200 looks good but its expensive |
| [15:53:41] | Slasher`: | and damn it's pci-e |
| [15:54:02] | Slasher`: | oh hang on i have one of them slots, i didn't even know lol |
| [15:54:39] | ThisNewGuy: | not to keep harping, but if you have a tv show with no subtitle then it always gets 1x1, if you check the date and it matches the generic date it still gets 1x1 but if it matches a real date then you get a real episode – doesn't that mean no false positives? |
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| [15:56:52] | koffel: | can i use firewire on a slave backend |
| [16:00:48] | sphery: | koffel: sure, assuming the host system/STB support it |
| [16:01:04] | koffel: | stb does |
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| [16:01:25] | koffel: | they are hd units |
| [16:03:25] | iamlindoro: | ThisNewGuy: If you have a TV show with no subtitle it does *not* always get 1x01-- there was a brief bug where it did, but that bug is gone |
| [16:03:46] | iamlindoro: | ThisNewGuy: There is *no way* of knowing what a "generic date" versus a "real date" is |
| [16:03:57] | iamlindoro: | So no, that doesn't mean no false positives |
| [16:07:37] | ThisNewGuy: | k – thanks |
| [16:07:48] | Slasher`: | trying it in the winblows pc now |
| [16:11:11] | iamlindoro: | ThisNewGuy: You need to remember that *all* of this needs to be predicated upon the baseline level of guide data quality worldwide-- we can't rely on Schedules Direct specific hooks to make any decisions-- As another example, the original airdate in the UK is not necessarily going to match the one in the US... but what happens when there is a coincident airing date? Someone gets the wrong data. |
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| [16:18:02] | ThisNewGuy: | k |
| [16:18:46] | devinheitmueller: | fyi: for those of you interested in the Hauppauge cablecard product, looks like they are taking preorders: http://store.hauppauge.com/hardware2.asp?product=wintv-dcr-2650 |
| [16:19:50] | devinheitmueller: | Slasher`: the HVR-2200 has issues with analog support under Linux. It's fine if you're doing digital only, but not appropriate at this time if you want to use the analog MPEG encoders. |
| [16:20:18] | Slasher`: | damn, i wont bother with that one then, cheers |
| [16:20:22] | Slasher`: | what about hvr-1700 |
| [16:20:35] | devinheitmueller: | The 1700 also has issues wtih analog, if I recall. |
| [16:21:01] | devinheitmueller: | .... bugs in the cx23885 driver related to to analog support. |
| [16:21:06] | Slasher`: | aww man, is there any other than the 150? lol |
| [16:21:30] | devinheitmueller: | The 1300 should work (provided you have the fixes I submitted last week) |
| [16:21:51] | Slasher`: | hmm |
| [16:21:59] | Slasher`: | if they came through ubuntu updates, then i should have |
| [16:22:08] | devinheitmueller: | They probably haven't arrived yet into distros. |
| [16:22:33] | Slasher`: | it's not low profile anyway :( |
| [16:22:40] | devinheitmueller: | The hvr-1100 probably works fine too. |
| [16:22:54] | devinheitmueller: | Oh you need low profile? Yeah, that's a problem. |
| [16:23:04] | Slasher`: | yeah or usb |
| [16:23:14] | Slasher`: | something with an input for a sky box or something really |
| [16:23:24] | Slasher`: | trust me to be picky with my pc! |
| [16:23:42] | Slasher`: | or rather, tight, since it was a cheap pc lol |
| [16:23:55] | devinheitmueller: | The 1700 is low profile, but yeah there are driver issues. |
| [16:24:02] | devinheitmueller: | ... same goes for the 2200. |
| [16:24:14] | sphery: | heh, I went cheap by buying big and ugly--and sticking the PC in a different room with cables going through the wall |
| [16:24:22] | Slasher`: | LOL |
| [16:24:43] | Slasher`: | i've upgraded mine to 6gb ram and 3tb space |
| [16:24:53] | Slasher`: | with the money that i could have spent on a pc in a shop |
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| [16:26:40] | Slasher`: | hmm |
| [16:26:46] | Slasher`: | i wonder if im picking the wrong pal standard |
| [16:26:51] | Slasher`: | does anyone know which the uk uses? |
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| [16:28:27] | Slasher`: | hmm or maybe i should pick something else |
| [16:30:54] | sphery: | heh: "[mythtv-users] VAAPI on an AMD E-350 system" ... now that's a double-edged bleeding-edge knife he's wielding |
| [16:32:36] | sphery: | s/wielding/fighting/ |
| [16:34:01] | ** Slasher` waits for youtube ** | |
| [16:35:45] | Slasher`: | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCS7-_BQ-bo what do you make of that? |
| [16:36:03] | Slasher`: | that's windows by the way |
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| [16:36:17] | Slasher`: | whatever format i use (pal/ntsc/sceam) the colour just changes |
| [16:37:27] | sphery: | "There is nothing wrong with your television set. Do not attempt to adjust the picture. We are controlling transmission. If we wish to make it louder, we will bring up the volume. If we wish to make it softer, we will tune it to a whisper. We will control the horizontal. We will control the vertical. We can roll the image, make it flutter. We can change the focus to a soft blur or sharpen it to crystal clarity. ..." |
| [16:37:57] | sphery: | then again, if that's not The Outer Limits, there may be a problem... ;) |
| [16:37:59] | Slasher`: | yeah someone hacked my tv signal |
| [16:38:16] | Slasher`: | that's what my other one was doing |
| [16:38:28] | ** Slasher` goes back to the place he bought it from to tell them to friggin sort it lol ** | |
| [16:39:12] | sphery: | too bad I never plugged in my PAL PVR-150 to figure out how to use a cross-standard setup with S-Video/composite |
| [16:39:46] | Slasher`: | lol :( |
| [16:39:49] | Slasher`: | hmm |
| [16:39:59] | Slasher`: | found a standard pci tv card |
| [16:40:05] | Slasher`: | no clue what chipset it is |
| [16:40:29] | Slasher`: | it says buster.com.cn so im assuming thats the website |
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| [16:40:36] | Slasher`: | wonder if i could bodge it to fit in |
| [16:41:35] | Slasher`: | that's a no then lol |
| [16:42:01] | Slasher`: | well it'd fit with the case off |
| [16:42:02] | Slasher`: | 05:05.0 Multimedia video controller: Internext Compression Inc iTVC16 (CX23416) MPEG-2 Encoder (rev 01) |
| [16:42:20] | Slasher`: | oh meh |
| [16:42:32] | Slasher`: | i forgot i dont have my pc that has hotswappable things anymore |
| [16:42:44] | Slasher`: | ignore all those last lines hah |
| [16:47:29] | wagnerrp: | did you try to add/remove a PCI card with the system running? |
| [16:49:21] | Slasher`: | tried to add one yeah lol |
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| [16:53:21] | Slasher`: | it was an old one so i figured it doesnt really matter and i wasnt thinking right lol |
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| [17:38:12] | Slasher`: | right then |
| [17:38:15] | Slasher`: | mission time |
| [17:38:29] | ** Slasher` buys a pci riser cable and a standard pal 150 ** | |
| [17:38:45] | wagnerrp: | heh |
| [17:39:03] | wagnerrp: | you actually have a case that will take both types? |
| [17:39:10] | Slasher`: | no |
| [17:39:17] | Slasher`: | but by the time im done i will have |
| [17:39:18] | Slasher`: | lol |
| [17:39:41] | wagnerrp: | eech... why not just build a 'normal' system as a dedicated backend |
| [17:39:44] | wagnerrp: | and shove it in the basement |
| [17:40:02] | Slasher`: | i'd get moaned at for consuming more electricity |
| [17:40:14] | wagnerrp: | why would it consume more electricity? |
| [17:40:24] | Slasher`: | cause i'd have both on at the same time |
| [17:40:39] | sphery: | if you shut down the frontend when not in use, it won't consume much more |
| [17:40:40] | wagnerrp: | what for? youre only going to be watching tv a couple hours a day |
| [17:40:46] | wagnerrp: | turn the frontend off for the remaining time |
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| [17:41:02] | Slasher`: | if i could have my way, that'd be what i'd do, i have enough parts to do so, but i cant be bothered to be moaned at |
| [17:41:07] | sphery: | and if you shut down both when not in use, you'll consume much less than if you have a single combined frontend/backend on all day |
| [17:41:45] | Slasher`: | this pc rarely gets turned off, i'm always doing something on it heh |
| [17:41:46] | wagnerrp: | a 75W frontend only used 4hrs per day will only consume ~$12 in power per year |
| [17:41:58] | wagnerrp: | i dont know how your electricity costs compare over there |
| [17:42:06] | sphery: | yeah, in UK, I think they're quite a bit higher |
| [17:42:09] | Slasher`: | a little more expensive |
| [17:42:12] | sphery: | not Germany high, but... |
| [17:42:18] | Slasher`: | maybe £20 a year which would be about $34 |
| [17:42:29] | Slasher`: | but my parents don't see it like that, unfortunately |
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| [17:44:05] | Slasher`: | im looking at them riser card ribbon cable things |
| [17:44:21] | Slasher`: | i have an old hard drive caddy with fans that i could whack it in |
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| [17:47:18] | sphery: | http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2011/07/gco-of . . . -google.html , "The shorter a URL, the easier it is to share and remember." Yes, because we all know just how memorable a shortened URI with a random string of upper- and lower-case letters and numbers is. If git has proved nothing else, it's that people find it easy to remember strings of numbers and letters that aren't words and aren't sequential... |
| [17:48:19] | sphery: | Perhaps they meant, "This way, people can remember g.co more easily than they can remember goo.gl--of course, they won't remember anything /after/ the host name..." |
| [17:48:34] | ** sid3windr liked goo.gl ** | |
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| [17:50:06] | sid3windr: | oh, it's not going away :) |
| [17:50:22] | wagnerrp: | its a shame italy doesnt have open registration |
| [17:50:47] | sid3windr: | because you need an address in italy? |
| [17:51:08] | wagnerrp: | wait, no... vom.it was registered back in 2008 |
| [17:51:11] | sphery: | Well, after Eric Schmidt used goo.gl wrong on Google+, they had to do something to make sure even an exec could figure out how to use a shortener... ( http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2094 . . . rl-shortener ) |
| [17:51:34] | sphery: | sid3windr: yeah, goo.gl is the public shortener, but g.co is used by google's own web apps (only) |
| [17:53:01] | sphery: | wagnerrp: looks like they've pretty much got all the expected "something.it" domains sold |
| [17:53:44] | wagnerrp: | ooh... andorra is sitting on a goldmine of _____w.ad domains |
| [17:53:51] | Slasher`: | google.it |
| [17:53:58] | Slasher`: | just.effin.google.it |
| [17:54:19] | ** Slasher` has done a lot of googling with regards to this card lol ** | |
| [17:54:48] | sphery: | I've been bing'ing--after all since MS is giving away stuff 'til Dec 31... |
| [17:54:55] | sphery: | ( bing.com/rewards ) |
| [17:55:15] | sid3windr: | Unable to complete your request. |
| [17:55:17] | Slasher`: | i dont think that program was open to uk people |
| [17:55:27] | sphery: | ah, yeah, probably us only |
| [17:55:51] | wagnerrp: | and the whole TLD for Benin |
| [17:56:01] | Slasher`: | did you see the sky news clip of them calling LulzSec the louise boat |
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| [17:57:15] | sphery: | Slasher`: I saw http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2095 . . . -louise-boat , so I got the inq's take on it |
| [17:57:35] | Slasher`: | haha |
| [17:58:01] | balor: | I wonder if it'd hurt Haupage to just help linux users a little. Easily downloadable firmware and an lircd config |
| [17:58:18] | wagnerrp: | balor: youre joking, right? |
| [17:58:36] | sphery: | fwiw, I think Hauppauge helps Linux users a /lot/ more than nearly any other hardware vendor out there |
| [17:59:07] | wagnerrp: | several hauppauge employees are prominent linuxtv driver developers |
| [17:59:13] | sphery: | they've even gotten permission from their component suppliers to make firmware redistributable, so you get packages for it |
| [17:59:43] | sphery: | and each distro seems to have its own lircd config apps that allow you to choose your remote and they configure it for you |
| [18:00:18] | balor: | sphery, does such a thing exist on Fedora? |
| [18:00:57] | sphery: | I'd expect configuring LIRC on Fedora to be about the easiest of all the distros--since the main guy working on the LIRC drivers and such is a Red Hat guy |
| [18:01:15] | sphery: | and I'd be very surpised if there's not an RPM for the firmware |
| [18:01:17] | ** Beirdo hands sphery the clue-by-4 ** | |
| [18:01:35] | sphery: | might have to enable a repo like RPM Fusion or ATrpms or something (not sure what the current-day approach is) |
| [18:03:32] | balor: | oh, there's a cx18-firmware package |
| [18:03:53] | balor: | and lirc-remotes package too |
| [18:04:12] | balor: | all is forgiven Haupage |
| [18:04:34] | sphery: | heh |
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| [18:12:31] | tlhiv_laptop: | how do you change the amount of time that Left/Right skips? |
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| [18:15:49] | sphery: | tlhiv_laptop: Utilities/Setup|Setup|TV Settings|Playback Groups |
| [18:16:05] | sphery: | left right are skip amounts and up/down is jump amount |
| [18:17:21] | tlhiv_laptop: | ok thanks |
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| [18:27:32] | ThisNewGuy: | hey all – does anyone know why "ttvdb.py -D <inetref>" returns in colon delimited format instead of the xml format that "ttvdb.py -D <inetref> <season> <episode" does? |
| [18:27:42] | balor: | My IR receiver doesn't fit very snugly into the IR port. And I get no output from irw at all. Does this imply that I've got dodgy hardware? |
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| [18:31:20] | wagnerrp: | balor: what card do you have? |
| [18:32:06] | balor: | WinTv Nove HD s2 |
| [18:32:13] | balor: | I have /dev/lirc0 |
| [18:32:28] | balor: | and gnome-lircd-properties seems to set things up correctly |
| [18:32:40] | balor: | (and I've changed the remote batteries) |
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| [18:33:02] | wagnerrp: | oh, i was going to say if you had an analog card, make sure you were trying to plug it into the IR port and not the audio port |
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| [18:36:01] | iamlindoro: | ThisNewGuy: -D on a television series without season or episode is not part of our grabber spec |
| [18:36:53] | iamlindoro: | So it likely returns in something resembling our "old" colon delimited format, but that call to a TV grabber has never been a valid one |
| [18:37:07] | iamlindoro: | Why are you calling it that way? |
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| [18:41:52] | balor: | Should the IR receiver glow red when it gets some signal? |
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| [18:42:44] | iamlindoro: | no |
| [18:43:57] | wagnerrp: | but if youve got a camera, it will pick up the light its emitting |
| [18:44:17] | iamlindoro: | Not that the receiver will emit any |
| [18:44:20] | wagnerrp: | oh, receiver |
| [18:44:24] | wagnerrp: | no, receiver does nothing |
| [18:44:37] | balor: | oh cat /dev/input/by-path/pci-0000\:06\:00.2-event-ir does something |
| [18:44:50] | balor: | so I must just be pointed at the wrong input device somewhere |
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| [18:51:04] | devinheitmueller: | balor: Hauppauge did work to get the firmware for the cx18 made freely available. That said though, the firmware for the IR chip on that board (the Zilog) is owned by a third party, and hence HCW doens't have the rights to make it freely available. |
| [18:51:14] | devinheitmueller: | .... and that's why it's such a PITA to get the firmware for the Zilog. |
| [18:52:02] | devinheitmueller: | Hauppauge has helped in other ways regarding the Zilog though, in terms of supporting Jarod's development of the lirc-zilog driver, including donating a large amount of code under the GPL which implements blasting learned codes. |
| [18:55:48] | j-rod: | If I'd quit breaking other things, I might actually be able to start working on that |
| [18:55:54] | devinheitmueller: | heh |
| [18:57:23] | iamlindoro: | devinheitmueller: But why doesn't Hauppauge send out a tech with my $49 card purchase to come to my house and PERSONALLY install it, including writing a driver for my linux from scratch system? JERKS. |
| [18:57:24] | balor: | devinheitmueller, I was immediately corrected above. I made an incorrect assumption and am gladly wrong. |
| [18:57:24] | ThisNewGuy: | iamlindoro: I was hoping to return all data for a series in a way that could be parsed by the metadata lookup parser (so I could do lookups against more than just subtitle) |
| [18:57:40] | devinheitmueller: | iamlindoro: heh |
| [18:58:14] | devinheitmueller: | balor: np. Just wanted to make sure you know that Hauppauge people are listening to feedback and trying to make things happen.... |
| [18:58:45] | j-rod: | I think I have close to a dozen hauppauge devices in my possession now |
| [18:59:00] | devinheitmueller: | j-rod: is that all? |
| [18:59:17] | j-rod: | one sec, lemme do a count in my head… :) |
| [18:59:17] | devinheitmueller: | Oh wait, there is a good chance that you have a decent number of my boards, which brings down my own count. ;-) |
| [18:59:24] | ** iamlindoro begins to regret writing all this new metadata functionality ** | |
| [18:59:50] | j-rod: | I count 14 in my head right now |
| [18:59:59] | j-rod: | at least 2 or 3 of which are yours |
| [19:01:38] | devinheitmueller: | j-rod: I had a call a couple of nights ago with a company, and it took me a solid three minutes to find a 950q from my "box of tuners". After a while, all those dark grey sticks start to look the same.... |
| [19:01:48] | j-rod: | that's not counting pinnacle-branded devices either |
| [19:02:06] | j-rod: | (though I only have three of those) |
| [19:02:13] | j-rod: | heh |
| [19:02:20] | j-rod: | I completely lost track of my original 950 for some time |
| [19:02:24] | devinheitmueller: | j-rod: in the USA, there aren't many PCTV products. |
| [19:02:39] | devinheitmueller: | I think there are something like four total. |
| [19:02:53] | devinheitmueller: | Pardon, five that are currently shipping. |
| [19:03:07] | devinheitmueller: | 80e, 801e, 801eSE, 880e, 800i. |
| [19:03:35] | wagnerrp: | eiei... you need an 800o |
| [19:04:00] | devinheitmueller: | wagnerrp: no kidding. |
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| [19:04:24] | devinheitmueller: | It's really easy to get the model numbers confused. The predecessor to the 801e was the 800e, which just makes it even more confusing. |
| [19:04:37] | devinheitmueller: | ... not to be confused with the 80e or 880e. :-) |
| [19:04:45] | balor: | Is it common to need to remap the remote keys to myth commands? i.e. the menu button to S, OK to enter and back to esc |
| [19:04:45] | j-rod: | marketing fail |
| [19:04:54] | devinheitmueller: | j-rod: no kidding. |
| [19:05:16] | iamlindoro: | ThisNewGuy: If you hope to have anything you're planning on doing committed, I would really appreciate it if you would discuss it with me-- As you may have noticed, there are considerable implications behind some of these decisions. I will admit to some concern that you want to hack on it when it's all in the middle of being written, but it's GPL code so I certainly can't stop you |
| [19:05:40] | wagnerrp: | i just dont like how there are multiple cards with the same model name |
| [19:06:06] | j-rod: | I still love what kworld pulled with the ub435-q |
| [19:06:25] | j-rod: | the first version was 100% identical, save the plastic housing, to another model |
| [19:06:28] | gregL: | iamlindoro, Don't regret it...It works great for me, and I am picking up metadate now where I never had it before..Good job... |
| [19:06:32] | j-rod: | the second version is entirely different hardware |
| [19:06:37] | jams: | ewww |
| [19:06:50] | jams: | just like they do with wifi adaptors |
| [19:06:53] | iamlindoro: | gregL: Heh, thanks |
| [19:07:35] | gregL: | iamlindoro, YW! |
| [19:09:05] | devinheitmueller: | j-rod: it's a problem with Hauppauge too. Just look at the HVR-850. |
| [19:09:42] | j-rod: | hm. true. |
| [19:09:51] | devinheitmueller: | PCTV is pretty good about changing the model number but keeping the name. So while both variants were called the "PCTV Hybrid TV Tuner", the model number did change from 800e to 801e. |
| [19:10:20] | devinheitmueller: | I agree though, it makes it a nightmare for Linux users who just want to know if the underlying design will work under Linux. |
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| [19:11:31] | ThisNewGuy: | iamlindoro: You made it clear that you wouldn't accept a date based search and that's cool. I just wanted to put something together and see if it improved the metadata in my specific case or not. |
| [19:11:32] | devinheitmueller: | For what it's worth, I did have a conversation with Hauppauge's CEO about this at one point. it's a problem with the distribution channel and vendors like NewEgg not wanting to have to explain why the model number changed (or users returning the "old version" in order to get the new version which has no end-user discernable differences)... |
| [19:12:24] | iamlindoro: | ThisNewGuy: If you are dead set on doing it, bear in mind that the whole metadata ecosystem I've written has no mechanism for multiselection of episodes within a single series. |
| [19:12:43] | iamlindoro: | ie, there's no such thing as a multiresult list of episodes, only titles |
| [19:13:34] | iamlindoro: | so there are two options-- completely rework the classes to add such a thing, which is a ton of work, or rework the bindings and scripts to allow a airdate based search, which is likely to be much, much easier |
| [19:14:13] | iamlindoro: | I think that you will quickly find, however, that 80% of all daily show episodes, for example, will be set to 1x01 |
| [19:14:26] | balor: | Is it sane to reorder your channel numbers i.e. to have 100, 101, 102 etc your faviourites, then use (say) the 200 block for film channels etc... |
| [19:15:51] | iamlindoro: | And if you do something like that, even if you get results you find acceptable, it would be my preference that that not become a patch that people are trading around on the mailing list-- the decision making logic for this stuff really *is* pretty complicated, whether people believe it or not-- people running it, running into trouble, and then asking me for support is likely to make me think unhappy thoughts |
| [19:18:38] | ThisNewGuy: | iamlindoro: heh – I get what you're saying about the patch creating pain; in the case of the daily show – they all seem to have air dates on both ttvdb.com and in schedules direct (with a few generic episodes) – why do you think most episodes will end up with 1x01? |
| [19:19:20] | iamlindoro: | ThisNewGuy: because not all of the new episodes do have correct airdates |
| [19:19:42] | iamlindoro: | Anyway, it was a randomly chosen example, but one which I've checked in to |
| [19:20:01] | iamlindoro: | The current two weeks crop might, but 3–4 weeks ago didn't, and therein lies the problem |
| [19:21:29] | iamlindoro: | Add to that Generic not being a reliable flag, and not one which you can expect to be used outside of the US, and you have a recipe for really jacking up people's data |
| [19:21:50] | iamlindoro: | Especially when we change DB schemas and start to ttry to add more than season and episode |
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| [19:22:43] | iamlindoro: | Too many good MythTV functionalities have been ruined by the mob doing crazy stuff, which results in bogus data, and thus a bunch of screaming on the mailing list about how buggy 'x' is |
| [19:23:35] | ThisNewGuy: | k – I don't want to be a burden – just wanted to try something out for myself – I'll put a pin in this one |
| [19:24:18] | iamlindoro: | ThisNewGuy: Like I said, it's GPL code, you can of course do what you like-- but it's just so demoralizing to see when you've considered this stuff from a thousand different viewpoints-- and how wrong can your metadata possibly be right now?? |
| [19:24:58] | iamlindoro: | I can think of ways to make some schedulesdirect specific tweaks to the matching... but none that don't seem super hacky :( |
| [19:26:16] | ThisNewGuy: | :-) – I know – it's soooo good – it's gotten to the point where it pains me to see (the 15% of my) episodes that don't have the metadata |
| [19:27:39] | ThisNewGuy: | I definitely don't want to demoralize you though – I'm trying to say "I love this" – nothing negative at all |
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| [20:02:09] | iamlindoro: | Beirdo: looks like libav is removing the lowres option used by the experimental commflag speedups |
| [20:02:58] | Beirdo: | as in the version we have now, or in the future? |
| [20:03:25] | sphery: | but what about ffmpeg? ;) |
| [20:03:33] | iamlindoro: | as in, if we decide to go with libav over ffmpeg, and resync to any point past this weekish, it'll be probably gone |
| [20:03:35] | Beirdo: | way to force me to do the GPU-based algorithms :) |
| [20:03:43] | Beirdo: | K. |
| [20:03:47] | Beirdo: | good to know |
| [20:04:00] | Beirdo: | why would they get rid of something useful, I wonder? |
| [20:04:05] | sphery: | I think we should use both libav and ffmpeg--best of both worlds, and the only cost is having to maintain both worlds |
| [20:04:22] | iamlindoro: | Beirdo: Per the latest message: (here comes some paste rule violation) |
| [20:04:38] | sphery: | /kickban iamlindoro |
| [20:04:42] | iamlindoro: | am strongly support this patch. While lowres intent was sane (speed versus picture quality tradeoff), it was implemented like global hack which has too much side effects (like invoking lowres decoding with all but few codecs crashed decoding). Also I hope this will make proper cropping possible (when display dimensions are smaller than real decoded dimensions by more than one macroblock). |
| [20:04:47] | iamlindoro: | Made it not multiline ;) |
| [20:04:49] | sphery: | oh, man, I really should learn how to do that |
| [20:05:02] | iamlindoro: | silly sphery, too many slashes |
| [20:05:05] | sphery: | heh, good thing I don't know how to work it |
| [20:05:12] | iamlindoro: | let an expert who you how to kickban |
| [20:05:27] | sphery: | oops, this may end badly for me |
| [20:05:36] | Beirdo: | ah, they implemented it poorly. |
| [20:05:44] | Beirdo: | heh, ah well |
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| [20:06:15] | iamlindoro: | Beirdo: BTW, the ticket opened yesterday about the guy's BBC channels appears to be a MPEG-TS demuxer merge artifact |
| [20:06:20] | Beirdo: | my hope was to work on doing that in the GPU anyways, so... this gives me yet another reason to want to do it |
| [20:06:35] | Beirdo: | Oh? that's not too surprising |
| [20:07:00] | Beirdo: | that merge was hellish to say the least. Any news on what to fix? |
| [20:07:39] | iamlindoro: | I only spent a few minutes on it to make that determination, and that it appears not to be finding the PMT |
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| [20:07:54] | iamlindoro: | I tried increasing the probe size by 2x and still got nothing, but ran out of time |
| [20:08:05] | Beirdo: | hmm. Ok. |
| [20:08:12] | Beirdo: | does stock ffmpeg like it? |
| [20:08:19] | iamlindoro: | yes |
| [20:08:32] | Beirdo: | OK, well, this should be fun to track down |
| [20:08:36] | iamlindoro: | heh |
| [20:09:05] | Beirdo: | sigh. but such is life. |
| [20:09:19] | iamlindoro: | mythffplay and mythffmpeg don't like it, FWIW |
| [20:09:21] | Beirdo: | I did download his recording yesterday, so I'll take a look at it as well |
| [20:09:37] | iamlindoro: | so it points the finger fairly conclusively at the demuxer-- as do the parsing errors |
| [20:09:48] | Beirdo: | if you want to look into it, that's good too, as this one may take more than one set of eyes. |
| [20:09:52] | Beirdo: | yeah, it does seem to |
| [20:10:02] | iamlindoro: | I'll keep looking at it, but you might see it a lot faster since you did the sync |
| [20:10:20] | Beirdo: | yeah, I'll look at it tonight as well |
| [20:11:21] | Beirdo: | that's #9926, right? |
| [20:11:39] | iamlindoro: | yeah |
| [20:11:59] | Beirdo: | ooh, it's failing in 0.24.1... so it's borked before this merge too... even more fun |
| [20:12:06] | Beirdo: | we'll find it :) |
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| [20:46:17] | jhp: | Hi Beirdo, you are going to try to track down the bug I reported yesterday? |
| [20:46:46] | jhp: | If their is anything I can help you with, although I'm not a programmer, just let me know. |
| [20:51:15] | Beirdo: | you'd have to be a lot more specific as to which bug :) |
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| [20:51:23] | Beirdo: | preferrably a ticket number :0 |
| [20:51:41] | jhp: | 9926 |
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| [20:51:59] | jhp: | Sorry, you were just talking about it, so I kind of dropped in. |
| [20:52:25] | Beirdo: | ahhh |
| [20:52:30] | Beirdo: | Yeah, I was hoping to |
| [20:53:35] | jhp: | Great. |
| [20:56:36] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: youll enjoy this one |
| [20:56:57] | wagnerrp: | businessman in florida was arrested for selling copywritten material |
| [20:57:00] | wagnerrp: | his defense? |
| [20:57:11] | wagnerrp: | he was giving away the burned DVDs for free |
| [20:57:20] | Slasher`: | and selling the cases/covers |
| [20:57:26] | wagnerrp: | however he would only do so if the DVDs were properly protected in one of his jewel cases |
| [20:57:31] | wagnerrp: | which cost $5/pop |
| [20:57:34] | Slasher`: | LOL |
| [20:57:52] | tlhiv_laptop: | wagnerrp: did you tell me you're on gentoo? |
| [20:57:57] | wagnerrp: | seriously, $5? you can go to best buy and pick up DVDs for that price |
| [20:58:01] | wagnerrp: | tlhiv_laptop: yes |
| [20:58:24] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, not of new releases |
| [20:58:34] | tlhiv_laptop: | what's the preferred method for getting the latest (at least stable 0.24.1) version of MythTV in gentoo? |
| [20:58:37] | tlhiv_laptop: | portage is a bit behind |
| [20:58:40] | sphery: | wagnerrp: heh, saw that one--over in Orlando |
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| [20:58:58] | wagnerrp: | tlhiv_laptop: we have ebuilds on our packaging repo on github |
| [20:59:24] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: back when i was buying DVDs heavily, we would go to best buy about once a week |
| [20:59:26] | sphery: | wagnerrp: seems he had currently-in-theaters movies someone stole by using a video camera to record and such |
| [20:59:33] | wagnerrp: | brand new releases were 15–20 |
| [20:59:41] | wagnerrp: | everything else got cycled through their back shelf |
| [20:59:49] | kormoc: | Sure, but if you could get them at the same time for $5... |
| [20:59:49] | sphery: | so those who bought were doing so to get early access, not necessarily to save much money |
| [20:59:52] | wagnerrp: | where you would find $5–6 movies |
| [20:59:59] | wagnerrp: | or two for 10 |
| [21:00:05] | wagnerrp: | or combo packs for 10 |
| [21:00:23] | wagnerrp: | so you could spend $15 when it came out |
| [21:00:32] | wagnerrp: | or you could wait 3 months and get it for $5 |
| [21:00:56] | sphery: | I'm guessing he was just providing the "service" of stealing them so his customers didn't have to figure out where to download them. |
| [21:01:20] | wagnerrp: | well, plus they couldnt be traced on 'the internets' by 'the man' |
| [21:01:39] | sphery: | besides, aren't the labels and covers copyrighted material, anyway? meaning if he's selling those, he's still violating copyright laws |
| [21:01:46] | sphery: | (unless he made custom ones) |
| [21:01:50] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: HAH |
| [21:02:04] | wagnerrp: | sphery: no, just the clear jewel cases |
| [21:02:10] | sphery: | s/the man/US Department of Homeland Security/ |
| [21:02:26] | kormoc: | If you're copying the movies, why not just copy the art too? |
| [21:02:27] | sphery: | after all, copyright infringement is eating away at the security of our homeland |
| [21:02:32] | kormoc: | seems silly to draw the line there |
| [21:02:55] | kormoc: | sphery, when pirating is illegal only terrorists will pirate! |
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| [21:03:20] | sphery: | wagnerrp: the funniest part is that he told the building owner the whole plan--including the "I'm selling the cases and giving away the DVDs for free" defense |
| [21:03:52] | wagnerrp: | seems he wasnt selling them at all |
| [21:04:02] | sphery: | the building owner said it sounded suspicious but he didn't question it |
| [21:04:21] | wagnerrp: | he was giving the cases away, containing dvds, for a compulsory donation |
| [21:05:01] | sphery: | ah, kind of like the a**hat who does mc2xml--"Use my program to steal TMS listings data, but you should really donate to me." |
| [21:05:16] | wagnerrp: | yeah, kind of like that |
| [21:05:17] | kormoc: | Donate brother Bit and secure your place in the torrents above for all eternity |
| [21:05:35] | wagnerrp: | except, hes not stealing anything |
| [21:05:46] | wagnerrp: | hes just distributing the tools to steal the guide data |
| [21:06:05] | wagnerrp: | its like the guy selling lock picking tools, advertising you can use them to break into homes |
| [21:06:06] | kormoc: | Blame Canada! (mc2xml's author is canadian) |
| [21:06:24] | wagnerrp: | hes not actually doing anything wrong, right? |
| [21:06:41] | tlhiv_laptop: | wagnerrp: adding "media-tv/mythtv **" to /etc/portage/package.keywords doesn't seem to unmask it |
| [21:06:43] | kormoc: | Legally? Right, Morally? Debatable! |
| [21:06:47] | wagnerrp: | its not his fault people use the tools as they were desingned for to commit crime |
| [21:06:57] | kormoc: | tlhiv_laptop, don't put ** after it |
| [21:07:11] | wagnerrp: | tlhiv_laptop: the 0.24 builds are not masked |
| [21:07:25] | tlhiv_laptop: | well i didn't have it after it and it still says it's masked |
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| [21:07:55] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: is there something else we have to explicitly do to mark them as unmasked? |
| [21:08:02] | kormoc: | hrm |
| [21:08:09] | kormoc: | I don't think so |
| [21:08:34] | kormoc: | pastebin the emerge -v output, it should give more clues |
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| [21:11:44] | tlhiv_laptop: | i followed the README and it's still wanting to pull the latest stable from "regular portage" and not this new portage directory |
| [21:13:39] | tlhiv_laptop: | http://pastebin.tlhiv.org/oLPOJL4j |
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| [21:18:01] | kormoc: | ooh |
| [21:18:09] | kormoc: | the official package.mask has masked our packages |
| [21:18:18] | tlhiv_laptop: | darn them |
| [21:18:58] | tlhiv_laptop: | so do i have to unmask them in /etc/portage/package.unmask |
| [21:19:09] | kormoc: | yeah |
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| [21:38:29] | tlhiv_laptop: | i'm having the most difficult time editing package.mask and package.unmask to get 0.24.1 emerged |
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| [22:06:56] | iamlindoro: | skd5aner: Yes, season 0 is correct, though you must use a supported naming scheme, which your example is not |
| [22:07:16] | iamlindoro: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythVideo_File_Parsing |
| [22:11:38] | skd5aner: | iamlindoro: ah, it must always contain the subtitle? |
| [22:11:52] | iamlindoro: | no, s##xe## is not a valid season/episode format |
| [22:12:10] | iamlindoro: | s##e## is, ##x## is, s##xe## is not |
| [22:12:13] | skd5aner: | ah, the x |
| [22:12:43] | skd5aner: | sorry – must be a bit dyslexic looking at the examples |
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| [22:16:12] | skd5aner: | Here's a question for you... if you use the "delete" feature within mythvideo, will it actually delete the file or just remove it from the DB? |
| [22:16:37] | skd5aner: | because, I think I just learned the answer – it actually deletes the file :( |
| [22:19:53] | sphery: | heh, that's my understanding |
| [22:20:10] | sphery: | which is also why iamlindoro made it much more difficult to accidentally delete files |
| [22:20:26] | sphery: | moved (or removed?) the option from the menu |
| [22:20:37] | sphery: | think that's only in master, though |
| [22:20:39] | skd5aner: | since 0.24-fixes? |
| [22:20:41] | skd5aner: | ah, ok |
| [22:21:13] | skd5aner: | yea... also, the default option when asked if you wante to delete was "ok" rather than the usual default of "no" or "cancel" elsewhere in the system when the delete prompt is presented the user |
| [22:21:47] | skd5aner: | not that it would have made a difference in my case, I would still have selected "ok" – just noticed the minor inconsistency |
| [22:22:04] | sphery: | skd5aner: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . 63989#463989 |
| [22:22:12] | sphery: | so only available in Video Manager view, now |
| [22:22:26] | skd5aner: | as always – you remember everything |
| [22:22:32] | skd5aner: | thanks! :D |
| [22:22:39] | sphery: | heh |
| [22:24:03] | sphery: | actually only remember where to look... as Betsy Sparrow said--guess that makes me a forgetful moron (according to http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/07/15/google_impacts_memory/ ) |
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| [22:33:21] | skd5aner: | ah, finally got it to work... for some reason, resetting the metadata and rescanning wasn't enough. Had to move the file out, rescan, then move it back in, and rescan again... guess the hash in the DB was lingering around and not allowing the filename to change (to remove the x) |
| [22:35:21] | iamlindoro: | The hash does the opposite |
| [22:35:27] | iamlindoro: | the hash *allows* the filename to change |
| [22:35:35] | iamlindoro: | but season and episode are only parsed on the way in to the DB |
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| [22:46:09] | skd5aner: | iamlindoro: I updated the metadata schema page slightly to talk about special episodes and how they coorelated to "season 0" – hope that may help the next gentleman wondering how to handle the scenario |
| [22:46:59] | iamlindoro: | skd5aner: That is only true of the TVDB |
| [22:47:05] | iamlindoro: | It's not a MythTV convention |
| [22:47:14] | skd5aner: | yes, understood |
| [22:47:17] | skd5aner: | I tried to make that clear |
| [22:47:17] | iamlindoro: | so it won't be true of any other source-- I don't think it belongs on that page |
| [22:47:36] | iamlindoro: | That page is about file naming schemes |
| [22:47:42] | iamlindoro: | not about The TVDB |
| [22:48:20] | skd5aner: | still don't think it'd be useful as written on that page? |
| [22:48:37] | iamlindoro: | I don't think it belongs on the page, personally |
| [22:48:44] | iamlindoro: | The tvdb page, sure |
| [22:48:55] | skd5aner: | is there at tvdb page? |
| [22:49:09] | skd5aner: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Ttvdb.py ? |
| [22:49:21] | iamlindoro: | yes, which already contains the info |
| [22:50:13] | iamlindoro: | anyway, I won't go remove it from the file parsing page, I just don't think it's on-top, personally |
| [22:50:33] | iamlindoro: | Especially as it reads to me like a universal and not a peculiarity of the one particular source |
| [22:50:34] | skd5aner: | but if the goal is to not confuse the user, and/or make it simplier to understand, why would a user know to go to the wiki page for the script that's retrieving the data rather than the page that simply instructs a user to properly name a file in order to get metadata returned? |
| [22:51:02] | skd5aner: | I do understand that it only applys to TheTVDB, but for now that's the only source for TV metadata right now anyway right? |
| [22:51:11] | skd5aner: | (obviously, that could change) |
| [22:51:18] | iamlindoro: | I am through arguing with people for one day |
| [22:51:22] | iamlindoro: | do what you want |
| [22:51:42] | iamlindoro: | But people should stop asking if something is ok/my opinion if they don't care about the answer |
| [22:51:52] | skd5aner: | I'm just trying to contribute iamlindoro... and to try and share with you why I did something, not to argue about it... |
| [22:52:19] | skd5aner: | I hope you don't see everything as your way or the highway... I'm not trying to give you any constranation |
| [22:52:54] | iamlindoro: | I don't see everything that way at all-- but I wrote the page, I wrote the code, and I daresay my opinion on the matter is of same value |
| [22:52:54] | skd5aner: | If I didn't care for you opinion or your answer, I wouldn't have brought it up – I obviously care... but I hope you'd care for mine as well |
| [22:54:30] | skd5aner: | I know – I looked at the history, you are basically the sole author of that page – which is why if you don't think it belongs there, that's fine... but if I try to think of a new user to mythtv who's trying to figure out how to properly name a TV episode for the parser to work, and I run into this instance of something not being within a traditional season... |
| [22:55:32] | skd5aner: | then I wouldn't ever think to look in an article for a script that mythtv users to retrieve the data... I wouldn't even know to look there (of course, I understand that's how the metadata service works for retrieving TV data, but a new mythtv user wouldn't) |
| [22:55:53] | skd5aner: | anyway – I'll be happy to revert my changes to the page |
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| [23:01:58] | skd5aner: | iamlindoro: I think your recent change reads well... thank you – again, just wanted to contribute back a lesson I learned in what I thought was the most obvious place to put the information |
| [23:02:42] | skd5aner: | wasn't intending to muddy the waters in that article (or in here) |
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| [23:18:27] | tlhiv_laptop: | hi folks ... after updating to 0.24.1, i'm getting the "could not connect to the master backend server. is it running? is the IP address set for it in mythtv-setup correct?" |
| [23:19:35] | wagnerrp: | is your master backend running? |
| [23:19:43] | wagnerrp: | (have to ask the obvious) |
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| [23:22:58] | tlhiv_laptop: | wow ... /etc/init.d/mythbackend says it is |
| [23:23:02] | tlhiv_laptop: | but it isn't :-( |
| [23:23:40] | tlhiv_laptop: | when i try to run it ... it shows a few lines and then takes me back to the prompt |
| [23:24:08] | tlhiv_laptop: | http://pastebin.tlhiv.org/g6CWDYBd |
| [23:24:23] | tlhiv_laptop: | seems like it might be erroring because i don't have a capture card |
| [23:24:39] | wagnerrp: | yes, mythtv requires a capture card |
| [23:25:02] | tlhiv_laptop: | it didn't used to |
| [23:25:08] | tlhiv_laptop: | i mean before i upgraded |
| [23:25:19] | tlhiv_laptop: | i'm not using the DVR feature at all |
| [23:25:20] | wagnerrp: | no, and the requirement now was not the intention |
| [23:25:29] | tlhiv_laptop: | can i "fake" it |
| [23:25:32] | wagnerrp: | however use of mythtv without a tuner card has never been a supported setup |
| [23:25:37] | wagnerrp: | you can fake it with a dummy tuner, yer |
| [23:25:39] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [23:25:44] | tlhiv_laptop: | how do i do that? |
| [23:26:00] | wagnerrp: | make an ivtv tuner, feed it an mpeg file on your hard drive |
| [23:26:11] | wagnerrp: | create a dummy source and dummy channel to bind to it |
| [23:26:42] | tlhiv_laptop: | are you talking all software? |
| [23:27:01] | wagnerrp: | all software? |
| [23:27:22] | tlhiv_laptop: | are you saying that this is an all software hack? |
| [23:27:31] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [23:27:47] | tlhiv_laptop: | would you mind stepping me through this? |
| [23:27:54] | wagnerrp: | please note that unless you intend to get a tuner card at some point, you may want to consider alternatives to mythtv |
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| [23:28:03] | wagnerrp: | cant, never actually done it myself |
| [23:28:54] | tlhiv_laptop: | well i have an old standard def tuner card, but it's hosed i think |
| [23:29:04] | tlhiv_laptop: | perhaps it's enough to "trick" mythtv into thinking that i have one |
| [23:29:44] | tlhiv_laptop: | it's an old Hauppauge WinTV |
| [23:30:03] | jams: | doesn't .24 already have "demo" defined as a tuner |
| [23:30:10] | wagnerrp: | i mean most of mythtv is based around recording |
| [23:30:13] | jams: | as one of the options |
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| [23:30:33] | wagnerrp: | jams: yeah, theres something of the sort but again, no documentation on how to use it |
| [23:31:29] | wagnerrp: | we do a good job with video, but our audio and artwork support is significantly lacking, at least in usability, to stuff like xbmc |
| [23:31:48] | jams: | eh..you can fill in anything for the value it doesn't matter if you never intend to record/watch tv. Just defining a tuner and binding it to a "no grabber" data source is good enough. But if you plan on trying to use it to test stuff, then yes it should be a valid mpeg file |
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| [23:36:38] | tlhiv_laptop: | where do i define my capture card? myth-setup? |
| [23:36:46] | wagnerrp: | mythtv-setup, yes |
| [23:36:58] | tlhiv_laptop: | does the backend have to be running for myth-setup? |
| [23:37:10] | wagnerrp: | ideally, the backend should be stopped |
| [23:37:17] | tlhiv_laptop: | ok |
| [23:37:22] | tlhiv_laptop: | good because it won't start ;) |
| [23:37:30] | wagnerrp: | of course since you dont have a tuner card defined, the backend wont run, so you better not need it to run mythtv-setup |
| [23:38:14] | tlhiv_laptop: | i have one in there now |
| [23:40:02] | tlhiv_laptop: | jams: what do you mean a "no grabber" data source? |
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| [23:40:31] | wagnerrp: | a data source with no guide grabber |
| [23:40:57] | jams: | tlhiv_laptop- when you define a video source "option 3" select "no grabber" as the listings grabber |
| [23:46:34] | tlhiv_laptop: | under option 2 where i select my card, i've put in /dev/null for my video device |
| [23:46:52] | tlhiv_laptop: | is this ok? |
| [23:47:00] | wagnerrp: | i think it needs to be an mpeg file |
| [23:47:17] | tlhiv_laptop: | can i "touch foo.mpg" |
| [23:47:31] | wagnerrp: | that does not make an mpeg file |
| [23:47:37] | tlhiv_laptop: | that makes a file |
| [23:47:42] | tlhiv_laptop: | but not necessarily a mpeg file |
| [23:47:43] | wagnerrp: | and would be functionally identical to using /dev/null |
| [23:47:47] | jams: | if you don't care about the output it can be anything. mpeg file is only needed if you intend to play it |
| [23:48:23] | tlhiv_laptop: | but i'm getting in the "Default input" of part 2 "could not open '/dev/nul' to pro" |
| [23:48:32] | tlhiv_laptop: | not sure why it's trucating /dev/null |
| [23:49:28] | jams: | don't worry about the not able to open for probing msg |
| [23:49:35] | jams: | that sounds awful out of context |
| [23:50:22] | tlhiv_laptop: | well backend won't start ... i'm getting this --> http://pastebin.tlhiv.org/E53GyP8I |
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| [23:51:08] | jams: | did you do step 4 in mythtv-setup? where you bind the video source to the tuner input |
| [23:51:19] | tlhiv_laptop: | probably not ;) |
| [23:51:40] | jams: | do that and see what happens |
| [23:51:48] | tlhiv_laptop: | when i go to option 4, all i see is "input connections" |
| [23:51:55] | tlhiv_laptop: | and there's no way to do anything in there |
| [23:52:13] | jams: | well you should see the demo tuner card that you defined |
| [23:52:50] | tlhiv_laptop: | ok i'm starting over at step 2 |
| [23:52:56] | jams: | if you go back to "capture cards" do you see the one you defined? |
| [23:53:04] | tlhiv_laptop: | video device: |
| [23:53:09] | tlhiv_laptop: | do i just put "demo" |
| [23:53:27] | tlhiv_laptop: | or /dev/null |
| [23:53:40] | jams: | do you have a "card type" just above video device? |
| [23:53:48] | tlhiv_laptop: | yes |
| [23:53:51] | tlhiv_laptop: | what should that be? |
| [23:54:02] | jams: | flip through the options till you see demo |
| [23:54:08] | tlhiv_laptop: | gotcha |
| [23:54:29] | tlhiv_laptop: | should it read |
| [23:54:34] | tlhiv_laptop: | file://dev/null |
| [23:54:47] | jams: | for the file path..yes that will work |
| [23:55:15] | tlhiv_laptop: | file not readable |
| [23:55:23] | jams: | doesn't matter |
| [23:55:28] | tlhiv_laptop: | ok |
| [23:55:41] | jams: | if you were really trying to use a mpeg file. then yes that would matter |
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| [23:56:34] | jams: | so now with step 4..do you see the demo input that you just defined? |
| [23:57:00] | tlhiv_laptop: | yes |
| [23:57:15] | jams: | good, then just connect that up with the dummy video source |
| [23:57:30] | tlhiv_laptop: | what do you mean "connect that up" |
| [23:57:51] | jams: | highlight the demo input and press enter |
| [23:58:00] | tlhiv_laptop: | ok gotcha |
| [23:58:17] | jams: | the next screen is where you set the video source to the input. |
| [23:58:57] | jams: | don't worry about the 2nd screen that is about input groups |
| [23:59:02] | jams: | just hit finish |
| [23:59:17] | tlhiv_laptop: | that got it |
| [23:59:41] | tlhiv_laptop: | thank you |
| [23:59:44] | jams: | welcome |
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