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| [00:57:34] | skd5aner: | lwizardl: to do screenshots? yes, you can bind the SCREENSHOT action to the prtscn button |
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| [01:07:00] | iamlindoro: | Pretty sure the built in screenshot functionality pertains only to the FE |
| [01:07:56] | lwizardl: | hmm |
| [01:08:19] | lwizardl: | I am trying to take screenshots of my config screens to see if i have an error or not |
| [01:10:06] | wagnerrp: | you dont know if your frontend is not running? |
| [01:10:48] | lwizardl: | no having problems getting a working system |
| [01:11:13] | wagnerrp: | explain the problem |
| [01:14:29] | lwizardl: | screen was displaying out of view for the top bar in xfce mythbuntu. and trying to figure out which setting are the correct ones for the HVR-1600 |
| [01:14:51] | lwizardl: | redoing the install now using the HD480p setting to see how that looks |
| [01:15:10] | wagnerrp: | HD480p setting? |
| [01:15:24] | wagnerrp: | the HVR-1600 has no such option |
| [01:15:34] | lwizardl: | yeah the display for the nvidia card display |
| [01:15:46] | wagnerrp: | what kind of tv do you have? |
| [01:15:49] | tgm4883: | why do you need to redo the install for that? |
| [01:15:51] | lwizardl: | i was talking about the analog v4l, mjpeg, etc |
| [01:16:10] | tgm4883: | 1) fire up nvidia settings, 2) fix it, 3) ???, 4) profit |
| [01:16:10] | wagnerrp: | the HVR-1600 is not an analog v4l or mjpeg card |
| [01:16:19] | lwizardl: | Plasma EDTV slyvania 42" |
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| [01:17:01] | lwizardl: | wagnerrp, that was the reason why I was trying to do screenshots to show what my system was displaying for options |
| [01:17:27] | wagnerrp: | you want the IVTV type |
| [01:17:50] | lwizardl: | ivtv mpeg-2 said fail |
| [01:18:18] | wagnerrp: | fail? |
| [01:18:46] | lwizardl: | yeah i am not at that screen anymore so i will have to say it when i get back |
| [01:18:57] | lwizardl: | to that section |
| [01:23:51] | iamlindoro: | I am so changing all error messages to FAIL |
| [01:24:18] | lwizardl: | lol |
| [01:24:31] | lwizardl: | it was at the probed info iirc |
| [01:25:09] | iamlindoro: | You're not still using some ancient shipped-with-ubuntu version of .24, are you? |
| [01:25:36] | lwizardl: | what ever that was with the 11.04 amd64 version of mythbuntu |
| [01:25:41] | lwizardl: | so yeah i would guess so |
| [01:25:57] | iamlindoro: | Didn't we have this chat last time you were in? |
| [01:27:15] | lwizardl: | i think so |
| [01:27:34] | lwizardl: | but now I have a better tuner card then I did have |
| [01:28:47] | lwizardl: | my fresh reinstall is getting close to restarting |
| [01:28:56] | lwizardl: | its at about 85% install status |
| [01:30:57] | iamlindoro: | But the chat we had last time included the information "You can't install v4l or MPEG-2 devices properly on the version shipped with 11.04, get to current .24-fixes" |
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| [01:43:14] | lwizardl: | yeah and i think it was a ppa ? |
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| [02:09:19] | skd5aner: | it cracks me up when core devs still run old versions of mythtv for their prod systems... |
| [02:09:24] | skd5aner: | like 0.23 |
| [02:10:08] | skd5aner: | I would think, why put all the time and effort into developing new stuff if you yourself don't plan on upgrading for an extended period of time after new releases are made |
| [02:10:16] | wagnerrp: | well they have no choice when their distro still runs kernel 2.6.18 |
| [02:10:25] | skd5aner: | sure they do... |
| [02:10:44] | skd5aner: | upgrade or change distros, or compile a new kernel |
| [02:10:53] | wagnerrp: | :) |
| [02:11:45] | skd5aner: | I know I give sphery a tough time sometimes – he tends to wait until a season is over to upgrade... |
| [02:12:35] | skd5aner: | which, I sort of understand, since last fall my mobo died the first major week of the fall season premiers and was donw for 3+ weeks |
| [02:12:46] | skd5aner: | but still... ye of little faith :) |
| [02:13:44] | lwizardl: | ok system rebooted and sitting at the main desktop and yet still not displaying properly on my tv |
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| [02:23:25] | iamlindoro: | skd5aner: sphery knows the current release 10x better than nearly everyone who actually runs it. |
| [02:25:14] | skd5aner: | yup, so what's the say about his hesitance to do timely upgrades? :) |
| [02:25:41] | wagnerrp: | thats because sphery is a freak of modern neuroscience |
| [02:25:42] | iamlindoro: | That he really enjoys MythTV and would rather properly plan his upgrades, as he (and I) feel everyone should |
| [02:25:54] | wagnerrp: | a human brain blended with a complete mailing list archive and commit log |
| [02:26:52] | skd5aner: | yea – his ability to pull up any given mailing list archive link is astonishing |
| [02:27:05] | iamlindoro: | That's because he's in most threads |
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| [02:31:56] | iamlindoro: | sounds like a medical condition |
| [02:32:30] | wagnerrp: | its indicated by a severe inability to forget code changes |
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| [02:49:09] | branden__: | Does anyone know how well the card is supported under linux? Hauppauge 44801 WinTV-GO |
| [02:50:00] | wagnerrp: | abort! retreat! douse in lighter fluid and burn! |
| [02:50:26] | branden__: | What is a good card then? |
| [02:50:51] | wagnerrp: | anything thats not a framegrabber |
| [02:50:58] | branden__: | ??? |
| [02:51:15] | wagnerrp: | the wintv go is a framegrabber |
| [02:51:25] | wagnerrp: | meaning it captures frames, and stores them in a location in shared memory |
| [02:51:39] | wagnerrp: | mythtv then has to grab those frames in real time, and compress them |
| [02:51:51] | branden__: | I have a wintv card I got for free wintv-hvr-1800 |
| [02:52:02] | wagnerrp: | that will work for digital |
| [02:52:12] | branden__: | That is all I can get here. |
| [02:52:15] | wagnerrp: | however there are driver issues that prevent its use for analog in mythtv |
| [02:52:37] | branden__: | The government here killed the analog format. |
| [02:52:42] | wagnerrp: | if you only get digital, then what is the purpose of the wintv-go? |
| [02:52:52] | branden__: | I didn't know |
| [02:52:54] | iamlindoro: | branden__: Erm, aren't you in the US? |
| [02:52:59] | branden__: | yeah |
| [02:53:02] | iamlindoro: | Analog is still alive and well |
| [02:53:14] | wagnerrp: | there are low power and nighttime broadcasts in analog |
| [02:53:15] | branden__: | In some states they completely got rid of analog. |
| [02:53:19] | wagnerrp: | plus some cable providers have analog |
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| [02:53:21] | iamlindoro: | not to mention most cable systems |
| [02:53:27] | wagnerrp: | and you can do analog capture off cable boxes |
| [02:53:30] | iamlindoro: | branden__: no, they didn't. |
| [02:53:37] | iamlindoro: | In *no* state, in fact, is analog dead. |
| [02:53:46] | wagnerrp: | you are still allowed to operate analog under 10kW |
| [02:53:55] | iamlindoro: | And on any cable system you like |
| [02:54:10] | branden__: | I am talking over the air |
| [02:54:23] | iamlindoro: | Which is, as wagnerrp mentioned, still not 100% digital, in your state, or any other |
| [02:54:24] | wagnerrp: | yes, you can still broadcast in analog at under 10kW EIRP |
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| [02:54:47] | branden__: | 10kW does not go for. |
| [02:54:54] | branden__: | far* |
| [02:54:54] | wagnerrp: | in any case... |
| [02:55:01] | wagnerrp: | the 1800 will work for digital |
| [02:55:08] | wagnerrp: | the -go does not do digital at all |
| [02:55:17] | branden__: | good because that is all I can get here. |
| [02:55:36] | branden__: | zip code 83406 |
| [02:55:43] | branden__: | if that helps |
| [02:56:24] | branden__: | When I looked it up I could only find digital channels in my zip code |
| [02:56:51] | iamlindoro: | where did you look it up? |
| [02:57:56] | branden__: | I forgot the site but let me see if I can find it in my web browser history. |
| [02:58:05] | iamlindoro: | never mind |
| [02:58:20] | iamlindoro: | anyway, the HVR-1800 will be fine for antenna reception/ATSC |
| [02:58:25] | iamlindoro: | the go will not |
| [02:58:41] | branden__: | oh |
| [02:58:49] | iamlindoro: | If you hope to capture cable, things become murkier |
| [02:58:53] | branden__: | Are there any good cheap cards out there? |
| [02:59:10] | wagnerrp: | i see three analog broadcast stations within 10 miles of that zip code |
| [02:59:10] | iamlindoro: | Why do you need a card? You just said you have an HVR-1800, and want to capture antenna signals |
| [02:59:13] | branden__: | Don't have cable |
| [02:59:16] | wagnerrp: | 12, 26, and 39 |
| [02:59:20] | iamlindoro: | "<iamlindoro> anyway, the HVR-1800 will be fine for antenna reception/ATSC" |
| [02:59:25] | iamlindoro: | You said you have one... case closed |
| [02:59:36] | wagnerrp: | perhaps he wants a second? |
| [03:00:05] | branden__: | I was wondering about one that could encode mpeg4 |
| [03:00:15] | branden__: | to mpeg4* |
| [03:00:18] | wagnerrp: | digital tuners dont encode anything |
| [03:01:03] | branden__: | There is a chip on mine labeled mpeg I/II encoder |
| [03:01:09] | wagnerrp: | correct, for the analog input |
| [03:01:16] | branden__: | oh |
| [03:01:27] | branden__: | So for digital I am going to have to encode it. |
| [03:01:33] | wagnerrp: | the recording you get from an ATSC tuner is already MPEG2 |
| [03:01:38] | branden__: | oh ok |
| [03:02:08] | wagnerrp: | it is broadcast as MPEG2 and AC3 |
| [03:02:14] | wagnerrp: | in an MPEG2TS stream |
| [03:03:20] | branden__: | I was building this package for slackware, and it is taking while |
| [03:03:28] | branden__: | was* |
| [03:03:41] | wagnerrp: | the mythtv package? |
| [03:03:47] | branden__: | For slackware |
| [03:03:49] | wagnerrp: | what CPU? |
| [03:04:10] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: heh: http://pastebin.com/jqnfjxz6 |
| [03:04:15] | branden__: | intel p4 ht 3.06Ghz 800Mhz fsb |
| [03:04:56] | wagnerrp: | i would guess ~45 minutes to compile mythtv on that system |
| [03:05:37] | branden__: | What about on a p4 1.8Ghz 400Mhz fsb |
| [03:05:48] | branden__: | That is the next one I am building on |
| [03:05:56] | wagnerrp: | 45/3060*1800 |
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| [03:06:08] | branden__: | ? |
| [03:06:11] | iamlindoro: | And these speeds are moving in the wrong direction |
| [03:06:12] | wagnerrp: | ? |
| [03:06:29] | wagnerrp: | youre going to struggle with broadcast ATSC on a 1.8GHz P4 |
| [03:06:31] | iamlindoro: | A 3 Ghz P4 is the *minimum* you want to received US digital broadcasts on, not the max |
| [03:07:13] | branden__: | The 3Ghz p4 is what I am using for the capture box because it accepts the pci port it needs. |
| [03:07:43] | iamlindoro: | As mentioned, the 1.8 will not keep up with what you aim to capture |
| [03:07:46] | wagnerrp: | well youre not going to be using the 1.8 for playback |
| [03:07:47] | wagnerrp: | its too slow |
| [03:07:56] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: whats with the times on that? |
| [03:08:17] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: generated from the rule vs/ the rec |
| [03:08:24] | iamlindoro: | I put it in the wrong for loop |
| [03:08:28] | iamlindoro: | but same idea |
| [03:08:37] | branden__: | I was playing h.264 on the 1.8 and it only used 20% of the cpu, the picture was nice. |
| [03:08:45] | iamlindoro: | (I dumped the function into mythmetadatalookup to test it) |
| [03:08:55] | wagnerrp: | maybe h.264 at < 1Mbps |
| [03:09:00] | iamlindoro: | "h.264" without qualifiers is meaningless |
| [03:09:02] | branden__: | gpu is |
| [03:09:16] | wagnerrp: | the GPU wont help you with h264 on that system |
| [03:09:20] | branden__: | nvidia geforce 7600Gs |
| [03:09:36] | wagnerrp: | that GPU does not do hardware accelerated decoding |
| [03:09:36] | iamlindoro: | useless |
| [03:10:03] | branden__: | Let me go get the specs ont he video. |
| [03:10:19] | iamlindoro: | The specs on whatever you played are irrelevant |
| [03:10:28] | iamlindoro: | What is relevant is what you *aim* to play won't play there |
| [03:11:03] | branden__: | profile 3 |
| [03:11:16] | branden__: | 3000 kb/s |
| [03:11:20] | branden__: | on preset medium |
| [03:11:23] | wagnerrp: | there is no profile 3 |
| [03:11:28] | branden__: | x264 |
| [03:11:34] | iamlindoro: | nor is there a "preset medium" |
| [03:11:45] | branden__: | x264 --fullhelp |
| [03:11:57] | wagnerrp: | in h264, you have main, baseline, extended, and high profile |
| [03:12:00] | wagnerrp: | no '3' |
| [03:12:17] | branden__: | Sorry level 3 |
| [03:12:22] | iamlindoro: | This tangent is still useless |
| [03:12:36] | branden__: | Let me give you the output on ffprobe |
| [03:12:42] | iamlindoro: | Since it has no bearing on the fact that ~20 Mbit ATSC wont play on that machine |
| [03:12:45] | wagnerrp: | ATSC does not use the h264 codec |
| [03:13:12] | branden__: | Not atsc |
| [03:13:13] | wagnerrp: | and that CPU will only manage around 10–12Mbps MPEG2 |
| [03:13:24] | wagnerrp: | ATSC is what you want to record and play back on that machine |
| [03:13:27] | wagnerrp: | from the digital tuner card |
| [03:13:36] | branden__: | It was a backup |
| [03:13:49] | branden__: | I made. |
| [03:14:42] | branden__: | Where can I get some high definition sample videos to test? |
| [03:15:01] | iamlindoro: | By plugging in the capture card and capturing something with it |
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| [03:15:13] | iamlindoro: | Nothing else will properly approximate *your* environment and encoding |
| [03:15:18] | branden__: | I thought you new I was off of that already |
| [03:15:32] | iamlindoro: | off of what? |
| [03:15:42] | branden__: | I was talking about video playback |
| [03:15:58] | wagnerrp: | yes, and were telling you your system isnt sufficiently powerful |
| [03:15:59] | iamlindoro: | Are you planning to use MythTV and capture video or not? |
| [03:16:12] | iamlindoro: | And if so, are you planning to play back that video on the 1.8 Ghz P4? |
| [03:16:20] | iamlindoro: | because if so, let's all say it together now: NO. |
| [03:16:43] | branden__: | I was doing playback on the p4 |
| [03:16:52] | branden__: | 1.8 |
| [03:16:56] | iamlindoro: | playback of unlike content, which is a meaningless gauge |
| [03:17:09] | iamlindoro: | you are playing back content with hilariously low bitrate |
| [03:17:14] | branden__: | I think I will clock it up to 2.4 Ghz |
| [03:17:23] | wagnerrp: | you cant just 'clock it up' |
| [03:17:34] | iamlindoro: | The content coming from the digital tuner will be > 6x the bitrate, and will likely need deinterlacing, which can add substantial further overhead |
| [03:17:34] | branden__: | In the bios I can |
| [03:17:57] | wagnerrp: | that assumes the system will actually be stable with a 35% overclock |
| [03:18:00] | branden__: | ok 3.06 Ghz machine it is |
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| [03:18:59] | branden__: | I have gotten a 3.2 Ghz machine to 4.0Ghz after that it crashes |
| [03:19:33] | wagnerrp: | but whats the point? $150 will get you a brand new system that is several times faster |
| [03:19:55] | branden__: | Really where? |
| [03:20:08] | wagnerrp: | you already have a case and power supply |
| [03:20:17] | branden__: | yeah |
| [03:20:17] | wagnerrp: | if its a later model P4, you might even have DDR2 to use |
| [03:20:24] | branden__: | I do |
| [03:20:32] | wagnerrp: | an AMD board and CPU will be around $60 each |
| [03:20:42] | branden__: | continue |
| [03:20:52] | wagnerrp: | $60 for an AMD CPU will get you a 3GHz dual core Athlon II |
| [03:21:06] | wagnerrp: | in which each core would be roughly equivalent to that P4 running at 5–6GHz |
| [03:22:19] | branden__: | Even at the same bus speed? |
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| [03:23:37] | branden__: | Well in any case I did not even speed more than $60 for the one I have. |
| [03:23:45] | branden__: | speed = spend |
| [03:24:14] | branden__: | For the 3.2Ghz one I only spent 25 dollars |
| [03:24:31] | wagnerrp: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157187R http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103903 |
| [03:24:58] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: There, this one may be more to your liking: http://pastebin.com/CNyrvsbd |
| [03:25:19] | branden__: | Dang you were not joking. |
| [03:25:20] | iamlindoro: | If you spent $25 on a P4, someone owes you some money |
| [03:25:34] | branden__: | It was a few years ago |
| [03:25:49] | branden__: | For the 3.0Ghz one |
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| [03:26:14] | wagnerrp: | that one looks better |
| [03:26:21] | branden__: | I know |
| [03:26:35] | wagnerrp: | i mean iamlindoro's pastebin |
| [03:26:43] | wagnerrp: | although, did you terminate the recording early? |
| [03:26:57] | branden__: | Thanks iamlindoro |
| [03:27:14] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: yes |
| [03:27:48] | wagnerrp: | will the metadata class re-import those values? |
| [03:27:49] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: Anyhoo, now the trick is to figure out when best to write them-- at user's behest? Whenever recording? |
| [03:27:52] | iamlindoro: | yep |
| [03:28:02] | wagnerrp: | when i tried to do it last time, i was restricted to only a handful of values |
| [03:28:13] | iamlindoro: | tried to do what? |
| [03:28:15] | wagnerrp: | since there wasnt much that matched up with the items listed on the wiki |
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| [03:28:43] | iamlindoro: | Well, I expanded the classes a month or so ago to add all relevant pginfo values |
| [03:29:12] | iamlindoro: | for import, anyway, so this work is just "write a converter from PgInfo to MetadataLookup" and "write the XML" |
| [03:29:15] | wagnerrp: | https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/blob/master/ . . . heap.py#L319 |
| [03:29:30] | wagnerrp: | basically what that was |
| [03:29:38] | wagnerrp: | but constrained to only have a dozen values |
| [03:29:47] | wagnerrp: | i never got around to hooking in the cast list |
| [03:31:24] | iamlindoro: | I am pretty lazy right now in that regard too... I haev all the single-line stuff hooked in, but too tired to add certification/people/etc. |
| [03:32:00] | iamlindoro: | Who the hell made this thing support so many values |
| [03:32:13] | wagnerrp: | seriously |
| [03:32:14] | wagnerrp: | :) |
| [03:32:47] | wagnerrp: | wait... i did add cast |
| [03:32:51] | wagnerrp: | ... when did i do that |
| [03:33:23] | wagnerrp: | well it was several months ago, and i havent touched it since |
| [03:35:39] | iamlindoro: | So seriously, branden is like 16, right? |
| [03:35:54] | wagnerrp: | heh, i dont know |
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| [03:38:29] | wagnerrp: | huh... xchat stopped logging two days ago |
| [03:38:56] | wagnerrp: | wonder if thats because i manually ran '/server' to reconnect |
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| [03:39:40] | Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v wagnerrp | |
| [03:42:03] | wagnerrp: | i should update mythvidexport so it prefers the local metadata rather than the grabbers |
| [03:42:12] | wagnerrp: | now that we can expect the local metadata to be fully populated |
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| [03:42:27] | iamlindoro: | one less lookup, anyway |
| [03:42:47] | iamlindoro: | you may still want to fill in the stuff that's not in recorded |
| [03:42:57] | iamlindoro: | but you can at least possibly skip the query |
| [03:43:06] | wagnerrp: | well if nothing else, i cou... yeah, skip the query |
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| [03:44:38] | wagnerrp: | hahahaha |
| [03:44:48] | wagnerrp: | someone just bumped a thread on the mailing list |
| [03:44:58] | iamlindoro: | I guess another nice part about using the same export format is that you can drop them into Recordings *or* video on reimport |
| [03:45:14] | iamlindoro: | hmm, haven't gotten it yet |
| [03:45:30] | wagnerrp: | it was like half an hour ago |
| [03:46:32] | iamlindoro: | I musta trashed it |
| [03:46:37] | iamlindoro: | sure enough |
| [03:46:40] | iamlindoro: | intuition! |
| [03:53:53] | wagnerrp: | are all these new fields just single values? or did you add any maps/lists? |
| [03:59:25] | iamlindoro: | all single |
| [03:59:42] | wagnerrp: | great, makes things a bit easier |
| [03:59:52] | wagnerrp: | mind if i update the wiki to match? |
| [04:00:32] | iamlindoro: | sure, please do |
| [04:00:46] | iamlindoro: | Though it might be best to wait until I have an actual official recording example |
| [04:01:08] | iamlindoro: | Which means me carving through the rest of these, which I am, slowly, as I watch TV |
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| [04:05:37] | iamlindoro: | Though if you want to add them to the list, I can add the example later too |
| [04:05:45] | iamlindoro: | if, fact, I'd much appreciate it |
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| [04:33:11] | skorp31: | So: I've set everything up in mythbackend for my new HD settop box, it was discovered. But, when I go to mythfrontend it doesn't show the new source. |
| [04:34:42] | skorp31: | more info: motorola dcx-3200 connected through firewire. |
| [04:37:16] | skorp31: | I hate to bother... is anyone here? Just a simple acknowledgment would be keen. |
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| [04:39:33] | iamlindoro: | yes, there are over a hundred of us here, and often finding someone with the answer, especially one with the time and interest to help, takes many hours |
| [04:39:35] | iamlindoro: | patience is key |
| [04:40:02] | skorp31: | oh ok. no problem. guess they're all watching tv or something :D |
| [04:40:08] | wagnerrp: | late on a friday night, some people actually have lives besides hanging out in an IRC channel |
| [04:40:31] | ** wagnerrp hides before someone sees him hanging out in an IRC channel late friday night ** | |
| [04:40:41] | [R]: | i had a life before |
| [04:40:43] | [R]: | doest that ocunt? |
| [04:40:45] | skorp31: | I would take offense, but thanks for the response. :) |
| [04:40:47] | [R]: | i just got home |
| [04:42:39] | skorp31: | Finally got an HD box.... only $5/mo but my old one worked so well with myth |
| [04:43:37] | wagnerrp: | pulseaudio guy claims BSD is no longer relevant |
| [04:43:43] | wagnerrp: | well great, now i have more reason to hate him |
| [04:43:48] | skorp31: | so, yay, nice. lots of new HD channels. hit info on the TV remote, they were all 480p |
| [04:45:31] | skorp31: | new motorola box defaults. looked up the manual for the remote, sort of a hidden menu. Turn it off and quickly press menu on the remote and you can activate 1080p. What? |
| [04:46:55] | [R]: | wagnerrp: how so? |
| [04:47:02] | [R]: | wagnerrp: last i checked obsd owns all in security |
| [04:47:02] | wagnerrp: | ? |
| [04:47:18] | wagnerrp: | well i didnt say he was correct |
| [04:47:23] | [R]: | lol |
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| [04:56:23] | iamlindoro: | Why in god's name does trogod think the wiki needs the logs from his fsck runs |
| [04:57:46] | wagnerrp: | ive often asked that myself |
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| [05:00:59] | skorp31: | but... but dudes, it runs fsck. here are the logs, fix it! It makes me sad. It takes a long time. |
| [05:03:03] | skorp31: | I just blew away all of my PVR-250 settings in favor of HD thru firewire. I feel doomed. |
| [05:03:09] | wagnerrp: | skorp31: you joke, hes actually improved |
| [05:03:15] | wagnerrp: | he used to spam the wiki in general |
| [05:03:24] | wagnerrp: | before we cordoned him off to his own little user page |
| [05:04:48] | skorp31: | I don't know the individual in question... but I can just imagine |
| [05:05:33] | wagnerrp: | hes using the wiki like his own personal blog |
| [05:05:49] | wagnerrp: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/User:Trogod/System0Maintai |
| [05:05:54] | skorp31: | always a bad thing |
| [05:06:25] | wagnerrp: | and its not like a blog that lists useful and interesting things |
| [05:06:50] | wagnerrp: | no, its like the kind of blog where you talk about the size and frequency of your bowel movements |
| [05:08:41] | skorp31: | Indeed... so, internet, i almost crashed my hard drive but formatted it (and i know what JFS is) and... I'm just like Linus Torvalds. |
| [05:08:50] | skorp31: | gotcha. |
| [05:09:22] | dudz_: | american ? |
| [05:09:38] | skorp31: | si |
| [05:09:49] | dudz_: | that explains the insanity then :) |
| [05:10:02] | skorp31: | ty :D |
| [05:11:23] | skorp31: | so i just reinstalled. backed up the important stuff, but there's going to be a little conf file somewhere I forgot about... |
| [05:12:15] | skorp31: | and yes, mythbuntu. it's so convenient |
| [05:16:10] | dudz_: | just watching mad max, and he's juuuuuuust starting to get angry and get the mad part into his nick :) |
| [05:17:18] | skorp31: | first mad max? |
| [05:17:21] | dudz_: | yep |
| [05:18:06] | skorp31: | best movie ever. MFP Maximum Fluoride Protection |
| [05:20:40] | skorp31: | still fascinated by australia |
| [05:20:53] | dudz_: | don't get any ideas |
| [05:22:33] | skorp31: | gallipoli was keen too. also, walkabout. |
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| [05:22:52] | skorp31: | no, only idea I have right now is getting my cablebox working with firewire |
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| [05:45:26] | dekarl_afk: | wagnerrp: let's say it together. "I will throw out all my shiny apple toys because this bsd stuff suddenly became insignificant" and lets throw out all big iron junipers, cisco, etc. so no one can complain at teh interweb ;) |
| [05:46:09] | wagnerrp: | dekarl_afk: actually, its a bit different from what the /. summary purported (what a surprise) |
| [05:46:42] | wagnerrp: | his claim was that BSD (net/open/free) had no relevance on the desktop |
| [05:47:04] | wagnerrp: | that the developers simply didnt seem to care about that market |
| [05:47:17] | wagnerrp: | instead going for the embedded, server, and workstation markets |
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| [05:47:41] | wagnerrp: | the example was the fact that they still use OSS audio, simply because a server has no use for complex audio |
| [05:58:05] | dekarl_afk: | I've seen this interview lately. And he's likely right on "no paid fulltime audio engineer in bsd (without mac) land, linux has 3.5 worldwide", everything else... no comment |
| [05:59:20] | dekarl_afk: | I wonder if after all the linux usb/dvb work in the bsd camp if audio might be next... then it's all moot anyway |
| [06:01:27] | wagnerrp: | have you tried any of that webcamd stuff? |
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| [06:03:04] | dekarl_afk: | not yet, after my main workstation broke I'm hesitant to put some dvb devices into by bsd box. (and start experimenting) that all I have is PCI devices might have something to do with it |
| [06:03:25] | wagnerrp: | is it only for USB devices, or does it support anything? |
| [06:04:32] | dekarl_afk: | USB seems to be working well (judging from the reports) but PCI is "in the works" and some have native drivers. Was about to try it but instead opted to move |
| [06:04:56] | wagnerrp: | heh |
| [06:05:18] | wagnerrp: | i was actually considering picking up an hvr-2250 some time later this year, and trying to port the driver |
| [06:05:26] | wagnerrp: | but if that should support it directly... |
| [06:06:08] | wagnerrp: | actually, it probably doesnt do ivtv stuff does it |
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| [06:06:17] | dekarl_afk: | If you know a NAS Box with 1gig memory that runs freebsd/mips (and is easily available in germany) I might go out and get it and some USB dongly just to build a PFbackend ;) That'd be a cool present for myself. |
| [06:06:35] | dekarl_afk: | hmm, aren't there 2 ivtv drivers in the ports? |
| [06:06:37] | wagnerrp: | no... no no no... |
| [06:06:52] | dekarl_afk: | :D |
| [06:06:55] | wagnerrp: | we have enough trouble getting the users to not run their master backends on underpowered machines |
| [06:07:00] | wagnerrp: | we cant have other project devs doing so |
| [06:07:26] | wagnerrp: | there are pvr250 and pvrxxx ports |
| [06:07:30] | wagnerrp: | but theyre screwy and broken |
| [06:07:48] | wagnerrp: | mythtv is expecting certain ioctls that arent working |
| [06:08:08] | dekarl_afk: | I'm not thinking Pogothiny... it may be a little bit more beefy... But all I could find is on the 128mb memory range... not enough for ZFS or anything. |
| [06:08:23] | dekarl_afk: | hm, which ioctls are different? |
| [06:08:26] | wagnerrp: | so either i put effort towards fixing old busted drivers, for outdated hardware |
| [06:08:37] | wagnerrp: | or i could try to port over a new, still in production card |
| [06:08:52] | wagnerrp: | i dont recall, been months since i moved my -150s back over to my gentoo box |
| [06:10:00] | dekarl_afk: | Maybe I should just find a supported 20 buck usb dvbt dongle and just try it out. But it's the research thats taking so long :( |
| [06:10:53] | wagnerrp: | 128MB will actually do decently on a stripped down freebsd build |
| [06:11:12] | dekarl_afk: | all the nice toys are always a) cheap, b) working, c) available over here <- choose 2 |
| [06:11:19] | wagnerrp: | ive got a little 256MB geode box as a firewall |
| [06:11:32] | wagnerrp: | after pf, dhcp, bind, and a couple other tools, im at around 40MB consumption |
| [06:11:55] | wagnerrp: | the rest gets slowly eaten up by BIND over the course of around two months |
| [06:12:13] | dekarl_afk: | true, I'm behind a PFsense on a WRAP (256MB, sc1100 box?) for what feels like 10 years now |
| [06:12:58] | wagnerrp: | but i wouldnt imagine even trying to run a backend on it |
| [06:13:06] | dekarl_afk: | ugh, I dumped BIND when I was still being paid for maintaining DNS. |
| [06:13:22] | wagnerrp: | even if it had more power, 256MB just isnt even enough for a proper file server |
| [06:13:27] | wagnerrp: | my RAID card has that much |
| [06:13:40] | wagnerrp: | ZFS throws a hissy fit if you give it less than 2GB |
| [06:13:52] | wagnerrp: | and they tell you you should be shooting for 2GB per TB of storage |
| [06:14:15] | dekarl_afk: | I follow the -arm/-mips talk. some of these socs sound really nice. 2–4 cores with 1.xGHz and 4GB memory some SATA Ports... just for collecting DVB signals and stuffing them on a platter, should be plenty |
| [06:14:42] | wagnerrp: | the scheduler is single threaded |
| [06:14:54] | wagnerrp: | meaning that 1.xGHz ARM isnt going to get you very far |
| [06:15:11] | wagnerrp: | a couple of tuners, and a couple weeks of data on 50+ channels |
| [06:15:16] | wagnerrp: | youre looking for some hurt |
| [06:15:50] | dekarl_afk: | the scheduler needs some love anyway... I hate it that I can't run mfbd --refresh-today while recordings are running |
| [06:16:14] | wagnerrp: | it has gotten a lot of love |
| [06:16:28] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: roughly halved the runtime at some point in the last year |
| [06:16:54] | wagnerrp: | finding matching shows is easy |
| [06:16:55] | dekarl_afk: | I use the frontend to schedule recordings for testing my xmltv guide after changes... of course on the production backend :D |
| [06:17:20] | wagnerrp: | its picking out non-duplicates, and balancing them across the tuners, that takes all the time |
| [06:18:10] | wagnerrp: | the consequence of having so many options available for recording rules |
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| [06:21:32] | dekarl_afk: | someone got to write some guides on how to setup channels correctly when you get an HD and an SD copy or 5 regional variants of the same channel... it's not so obvious in DVB land with all the guides being in ATSC speak. |
| [06:21:32] | dekarl_afk: | And it is hard to find duplicates when the daily soaps run on one main channel with repeats on the main channel and 5 regional channels, all with different styles of putting the episode number/synopsis in the data. I'm trying to make this part easy by doing it centrally in the guide |
| [06:22:03] | dekarl_afk: | bbl |
| [06:22:19] | wagnerrp: | you can change the matching strategy per rule |
| [06:22:35] | wagnerrp: | but that assumes you can find something reliably matching |
| [06:22:50] | wagnerrp: | and if youre using two different grabbers, thats not likely |
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| [06:36:57] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: you up? |
| [06:37:33] | wagnerrp: | are you intending to have separate types for video and recordings? |
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| [06:45:18] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: in case ya didn't know, git kinda expects commit messages with a short summary line followed by the prose :) |
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| [06:45:52] | Beirdo: | in case you were wondering why your commits get kinda... shortened... on the github interface in the commits list :) |
| [06:46:24] | Beirdo: | not that it really matters in the end |
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| [06:56:10] | wagnerrp: | is that why the second line always shows up red? because im not supposed to be using it? |
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| [07:01:54] | dekarl: | wagnerrp: I only use to only use "record all" and "find one" together with "subtitle the description". If that's not enough (it is not enough because the first showing has an episode title but the repeat has "episode 49") I fix the guide. Now I only need a "magic record button" that will pick "find one" for movies and "record all" for series, then I'm set. (but that's not going to work with EIT because there is no movie/series |
| [07:03:32] | dekarl: | that should have been: I try to only use... |
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| [07:15:42] | wagnerrp: | is default record type adjustable, or is it always 'record all'? |
| [07:20:37] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: yeah, I think it expects a blank line between |
| [07:21:16] | Beirdo: | it works regardless, but to fit its conventions, that's why it's doin that :) |
| [07:21:49] | Beirdo: | I think my frontend needs a recompile here, been a couple days |
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| [07:23:13] | skorp31: | amazing! I got my HD box working with myth, after the reinstall (guess there were some lingering db issues) |
| [07:23:40] | skorp31: | channel changing works (almost) |
| [07:24:34] | skorp31: | remember, this is through firewire? I go to change channels, and the cable box displays the channel that I'm trying to change to... then goes back to the current channel. |
| [07:25:59] | skorp31: | furiously annoying, since I thought i got it working. :( grr |
| [07:26:53] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: wiki is updated, and new tags are added to the bindings... http://pastebin.com/2bhDmtG2 |
| [07:27:16] | wagnerrp: | let me know if i got any of the tags wrong |
| [07:29:07] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: did you get a 550 or 560? |
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| [07:29:19] | dekarl: | I started to write up what smolt could collect in the guide data area at https://gist.github.com/1086103 feel free to extend as you see fit |
| [07:30:06] | wagnerrp: | you lost me at ONID |
| [07:30:21] | Beirdo: | 550? I'm lost |
| [07:30:26] | wagnerrp: | geforce |
| [07:30:29] | Beirdo: | ooh |
| [07:30:31] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [07:30:59] | Beirdo: | one sec |
| [07:31:20] | dekarl: | I'll fix it |
| [07:31:34] | Beirdo: | 550Ti |
| [07:32:13] | wagnerrp: | just curious, slickdeals listed a 560 for $150 |
| [07:32:43] | wagnerrp: | and something you may be more interested in |
| [07:32:58] | wagnerrp: | hitachi 3TB for $107 |
| [07:33:12] | wagnerrp: | equivalent to a 2TB at $70 |
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| [07:33:51] | Beirdo: | hmmmm |
| [07:34:18] | Beirdo: | that is kinda tempting |
| [07:34:43] | wagnerrp: | on amazon, with prime |
| [07:34:47] | dekarl: | there, I fixed it |
| [07:34:59] | Beirdo: | even more tempting |
| [07:35:01] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [07:35:22] | Beirdo: | just ordered an antenna, a HDHR3 and a 4-way USB KVM |
| [07:35:43] | wagnerrp: | what model? |
| [07:35:52] | Beirdo: | gonna move the FreeBSD box, devel box and the GPU devel box into the office |
| [07:35:57] | Beirdo: | for the KVM? |
| [07:36:02] | wagnerrp: | yeah |
| [07:36:31] | Beirdo: | one sec |
| [07:36:41] | wagnerrp: | iogear or aten by chance? |
| [07:36:45] | Beirdo: | http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000M5VXVS |
| [07:36:48] | Beirdo: | nope |
| [07:36:59] | Beirdo: | but likely the same manufacturer in Taiwan/China |
| [07:37:37] | Beirdo: | will hook up the ripper box as the 4th |
| [07:37:38] | wagnerrp: | well iogear stuff is rebranded aten gear |
| [07:38:08] | wagnerrp: | ive got a 4-port VGA/USB/switch switch, and a 4-port DVI/USB/audio switch |
| [07:38:15] | wagnerrp: | they both suffer the same problem with nvidia gear |
| [07:38:25] | Beirdo: | which is? |
| [07:38:35] | wagnerrp: | you cannot connect it directly to an nvidia USB controller |
| [07:38:38] | wagnerrp: | its... screwy |
| [07:38:48] | Beirdo: | that's funky |
| [07:38:50] | wagnerrp: | bursty and laggy on the order of several seconds |
| [07:38:59] | wagnerrp: | and if one is connected, it hoses the whole system |
| [07:39:03] | wagnerrp: | even if youre not actively using it |
| [07:39:09] | Beirdo: | I don't think I have any nvidia USB though, but wow |
| [07:39:12] | wagnerrp: | i had to pick up some in-line USB hubs |
| [07:39:23] | wagnerrp: | none with nvidia chipsets? |
| [07:39:24] | Beirdo: | that's lame |
| [07:39:29] | Beirdo: | all Intel |
| [07:39:44] | wagnerrp: | had no problems with intel |
| [07:39:50] | Beirdo: | every single box I have is Intel at this point |
| [07:40:07] | Beirdo: | even the freebee Dells from work :) |
| [07:40:27] | wagnerrp: | except for that ppc laptop |
| [07:40:47] | Beirdo: | well, yeah :) and the Windows netbook. |
| [07:40:54] | Beirdo: | well, I guess it's intel too. |
| [07:41:00] | Beirdo: | Atom + GMA500 |
| [07:41:07] | Beirdo: | aka PUKE |
| [07:41:30] | Beirdo: | I am quite in touch with the suckiness that is Atom :) |
| [07:41:54] | Beirdo: | it's running XP too, so double suckage |
| [07:43:02] | Beirdo: | http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0027FGW3K |
| [07:43:08] | Beirdo: | gonna try that for an antenna |
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| [07:45:25] | derekj: | anyone using FC15 here as mythbackend? |
| [07:45:27] | Beirdo: | hmmm |
| [07:45:37] | Beirdo: | 3TB external WD for $119 |
| [07:45:51] | Beirdo: | almost worth buying one to crack it open and toss the case |
| [07:46:31] | derekj: | yeahm but is that one drive or 2 inside? |
| [07:46:56] | Beirdo: | that'd be the question, wouldn't it? |
| [07:47:05] | Beirdo: | looks like one |
| [07:47:21] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: youd rather have a wd green than a hitachi |
| [07:47:35] | Beirdo: | Product Dimensions: 7 x 4.6 x 1.4 inches ; 2.2 pounds |
| [07:47:38] | derekj: | $even at $120 a 3 tb issnt much of a deal compare to 2TB at $60 |
| [07:47:46] | Beirdo: | why would I rather have a green? |
| [07:47:57] | derekj: | green sucks |
| [07:48:05] | wagnerrp: | because a 3TB at $119 will be one of the green drives |
| [07:48:11] | wagnerrp: | while the internal hitachi was only $107 |
| [07:48:16] | Beirdo: | true |
| [07:48:40] | derekj: | hitachi 3TB for $107? where is that? |
| [07:48:42] | Beirdo: | and I'd get a decent case I could reuse. |
| [07:50:28] | derekj: | is that a coolspin or a deskstar? |
| [07:52:06] | Beirdo: | yes |
| [07:52:07] | wagnerrp: | amazon, coolspin |
| [07:52:22] | Beirdo: | Coolspin are still Deskstar |
| [07:52:34] | derekj: | no, there's a big diff |
| [07:52:52] | derekj: | coolspin are 5x00 rpm drives |
| [07:53:03] | Beirdo: | sigh |
| [07:53:12] | Beirdo: | they are "Deskstar Coolspin" |
| [07:53:13] | derekj: | deskstars are 7x00 rpm |
| [07:53:34] | Beirdo: | according to the listing. |
| [07:53:58] | Beirdo: | The Deskstar 5K3000 hard drive provides an enormous capacity up to 3TB and features innovative CoolSpin technology |
| [07:54:04] | Beirdo: | it's both. |
| [07:54:06] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [07:54:25] | Beirdo: | that's like asking if a WD drive is Caviar or Green |
| [07:55:44] | derekj: | so is coolspin green? :) |
| [07:56:08] | derekj: | cause the WD green ones suck big time |
| [07:56:28] | Beirdo: | coolspin seems to be the Hitachi version of Green |
| [07:57:03] | wagnerrp: | the reason the greens suck is because of their aggressive spindown |
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| [07:57:26] | Beirdo: | yeah, but that's tunable, IIRC |
| [07:57:33] | derekj: | hopefully hitachi coolspins aren't as aggressive as WD Green when it comes to sleep |
| [07:58:45] | derekj: | why want's to buy a mystery drive that desn't even state which rpm they spin at? |
| [07:59:11] | Beirdo: | what, the greens? |
| [07:59:16] | Beirdo: | 5900 or so |
| [07:59:18] | derekj: | up |
| [07:59:26] | derekj: | mystery meat |
| [07:59:49] | Beirdo: | likewise the coolspin... "variable" |
| [07:59:55] | Beirdo: | just measure with bonnie++ |
| [08:00:09] | derekj: | it's like every single green is custom |
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| [08:00:25] | Beirdo: | who cares what speed it spins at, it's the transfer speed and latency that matter |
| [08:00:35] | Beirdo: | measure it and see if it's OK for your needs |
| [08:01:02] | derekj: | you going to care if you want to recover data from a dead drive |
| [08:01:23] | wagnerrp: | why would you care to recover data from a dead drive? |
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| [08:01:36] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [08:01:57] | Beirdo: | my dead drives get rudely chucked into the "take to the computer recycler" box |
| [08:02:23] | derekj: | I suppose you back up 3TB religiously |
| [08:02:30] | wagnerrp: | mine get tucked into the soft cushiony RMA box |
| [08:02:35] | wagnerrp: | back up? no... redundancy |
| [08:02:41] | Beirdo: | I don't give a crap about trying to recover data, not going to pay some company thousands of dollars to recover |
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| [08:02:58] | derekj: | who said anything about paying |
| [08:03:01] | Beirdo: | yeah, if they are in warranty still, yeah, RMA |
| [08:03:15] | Beirdo: | if you don't pay, there is no recovery to be had |
| [08:03:47] | derekj: | that depends on how much fu you possess |
| [08:03:55] | Beirdo: | oh please. |
| [08:04:11] | wagnerrp: | if you possessed that much fu, you wouldnt care to recover a failing drive |
| [08:04:14] | derekj: | no please anything |
| [08:04:20] | Beirdo: | I have no data that merits me futzing with the drive to pull it off there |
| [08:04:27] | derekj: | sometimes it's just a blown diode |
| [08:04:29] | Beirdo: | that's what redundancy is for |
| [08:04:34] | wagnerrp: | you would have swapped out the drive and rebuilt the array |
| [08:04:35] | Beirdo: | and also backups |
| [08:05:03] | Beirdo: | exactly, rebuild the array, RMA the drive (or chuck it if not in warranty) |
| [08:05:05] | wagnerrp: | theres no sense spending hours of your own time trying to recover a disk |
| [08:05:06] | Beirdo: | not that hard |
| [08:05:22] | wagnerrp: | when its 5 minutes to swap a new drive into your array |
| [08:05:33] | Beirdo: | the only disks I have that aren't redundant are my mythtv data disks |
| [08:05:50] | Beirdo: | the redundancy there is known as rebroadcasting |
| [08:06:03] | Beirdo: | i.e. I'll record it again later |
| [08:06:06] | derekj: | won't argue with you there |
| [08:06:19] | derekj: | or get the dvd later |
| [08:06:27] | Beirdo: | oh, and my laptop system drives ain't redundant either |
| [08:06:29] | derekj: | whatever works |
| [08:06:29] | Beirdo: | pfft |
| [08:06:41] | wagnerrp: | mine are... :) |
| [08:07:02] | Beirdo: | I don't have space for a second drive in any of my 3 laptops |
| [08:07:31] | wagnerrp: | ive got a secondary bay that normally has a battery in it |
| [08:07:33] | Beirdo: | the trick there is to keep valuable data backed up |
| [08:07:47] | Beirdo: | ah, nice |
| [08:07:51] | derekj: | just put it on the net |
| [08:07:52] | wagnerrp: | but every so often, i boot into a iscsi image from my server |
| [08:07:57] | Beirdo: | net?! |
| [08:07:58] | wagnerrp: | and clone the boot drive over to the spare |
| [08:08:10] | derekj: | yup, linus' way |
| [08:08:17] | Beirdo: | if you mean public cloud... I'll have to mock you to death |
| [08:08:26] | derekj: | shit's never going to go awy |
| [08:08:35] | derekj: | away* |
| [08:08:39] | wagnerrp: | linus' way is to purchase rackspace in a coloc, and place a server there to back up to |
| [08:08:42] | wagnerrp: | and watch your language |
| [08:08:46] | Beirdo: | I will not now nor ever going to put things like tax data on the public cloud |
| [08:09:00] | Beirdo: | external private server, sure |
| [08:09:28] | wagnerrp: | if youre talking about storing things in your gmail account |
| [08:09:36] | derekj: | if it's encrypted well enough, why should anyone care? |
| [08:09:38] | wagnerrp: | they explicitly say they make no guarantees about data safety |
| [08:09:45] | Beirdo: | derekj: it isn't |
| [08:09:55] | wagnerrp: | what do you consider well enough? |
| [08:10:00] | derekj: | I know people who encrypt their stuff to usenet |
| [08:10:08] | wagnerrp: | thats retarded |
| [08:10:11] | derekj: | get it later |
| [08:10:19] | Beirdo: | and why would I want to entrust my private data to someone else EVER? |
| [08:10:54] | Beirdo: | stuff like source code is all publicly available on places like github |
| [08:11:03] | Beirdo: | but I do have data that's not for your eyes |
| [08:11:13] | Beirdo: | or google's or amazon's, etc |
| [08:11:16] | wagnerrp: | if you have something worth storing online |
| [08:11:23] | wagnerrp: | you have something worth paying someone to store online |
| [08:11:28] | Beirdo: | regardless of how much encryption they say is there |
| [08:11:34] | derekj: | bah, you don't make enough for me to be intersted in your tax returns |
| [08:11:37] | wagnerrp: | if youre not paying, you shouldnt be using it |
| [08:12:03] | wagnerrp: | not now, no |
| [08:12:04] | Beirdo: | I'm not even a privacy nazi |
| [08:12:09] | wagnerrp: | what about ten years down the line |
| [08:12:22] | derekj: | even if you showed me in plain text I wouldn't be interested |
| [08:12:23] | wagnerrp: | when computer power is sufficient to trivially brute force whatever he was using at the time |
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| [08:13:02] | derekj: | obama released his tax returns |
| [08:13:11] | Beirdo: | Amazon has enough computer power idle at any time to crack any encryption I could use in nearly no time |
| [08:13:13] | derekj: | who the hell are you guys? |
| [08:13:31] | wagnerrp: | with all pertinent information redacted |
| [08:13:37] | Beirdo: | I could care less what he does, and his salary is public knowledge anyways |
| [08:13:59] | derekj: | no, tax returns before he became president |
| [08:14:17] | derekj: | maybe even before he was senator |
| [08:14:26] | Beirdo: | I don't care |
| [08:14:33] | Beirdo: | that's his prerogative |
| [08:14:35] | derekj: | my point exactly |
| [08:14:37] | wagnerrp: | the point is, there is no reason for that information to be publicly accessible, so why would you want it to be publicly accessible |
| [08:14:52] | Beirdo: | I don't choose to do so |
| [08:14:53] | derekj: | nobody is going to care about your tax returns besides IRS |
| [08:14:55] | wagnerrp: | why give out anything when it is of no benefit to you |
| [08:15:02] | Beirdo: | he can choose to do what he wants |
| [08:15:06] | Beirdo: | and you are SO wrong |
| [08:15:12] | Beirdo: | many people care. |
| [08:15:35] | Beirdo: | many many companies would love to see it so they can aim advertising at specific people, etc |
| [08:15:39] | derekj: | there are much biiger things to worry about |
| [08:15:56] | derekj: | like if you do any form of electronic banking |
| [08:16:09] | derekj: | that leaks like a sieve |
| [08:16:18] | Beirdo: | if you use any bank, you use electronic banking |
| [08:16:26] | derekj: | my point exctly |
| [08:16:27] | Beirdo: | even if you only ever walk in and use a teller |
| [08:16:34] | derekj: | exactly |
| [08:16:48] | derekj: | make a purchase at amazon |
| [08:17:03] | Beirdo: | so therefore I should go and post my bank balance publicly? |
| [08:17:07] | Beirdo: | whatever |
| [08:18:07] | derekj: | no, my point is the banks and third parties don't give a crap |
| [08:18:33] | derekj: | whatever measures you take will exceed theirs |
| [08:18:36] | Beirdo: | you, sir, are naive |
| [08:18:53] | derekj: | nothing naive about it |
| [08:18:56] | Beirdo: | banks may not care |
| [08:19:04] | Beirdo: | as they do decent security |
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| [08:19:09] | derekj: | just facts when it comes to banking |
| [08:19:17] | dekarl: | just pay by card at the supermarket and it will tell everbody behind you if you have had issues with payments ever. (enter your pin for direct withdrawel or just sign for bank collection) If you had issues with, say Amazon, once you'll not be allowed the signing way ever again |
| [08:19:38] | Beirdo: | third parties definitely do care and will use any legal method they can to get all the information they can about you |
| [08:19:57] | Beirdo: | no need to make it super-easy by putting it in their hands needlessly |
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| [08:22:42] | Beirdo: | but mostly, my machines are easily rebuildable, other than some data that I consider precious... which I backup |
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| [08:23:27] | Beirdo: | like my backend box... redundant system drives... and if I had to rebuild that, all I'd lose would be my recordings and related data. whoopie |
| [08:23:40] | Beirdo: | yeah, I'd be annoyed, but it wouldn't kill me |
| [08:24:11] | derekj: | yeah, but what about your mythdb :) |
| [08:24:21] | Beirdo: | that is related data |
| [08:24:23] | Beirdo: | so what? |
| [08:24:38] | Beirdo: | and it's mirrored anyways |
| [08:24:59] | Beirdo: | at worst, I wipe the db and start again. Big deal |
| [08:25:27] | Beirdo: | there'd be cursing involved, but it's really not the end of the world |
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| [09:09:41] | dekarl: | LogBot: I found a document that talks about the relation of the various dvb identifiers to eachother, put it in the archives in case someone looks for the relation of network_id and original_network_id to service_id http://www.eutelsat.com/satellites/pdf/Diseqc . . . SAT_syst.pdf |
| [09:11:45] | Beirdo: | ? |
| [09:12:40] | dekarl: | I found it really hard to figure out how the four ids fit together... and with most open source mixing up network_id and original_network_id one will usually get the wrong answer from aunt google :( |
| [09:13:15] | dekarl: | and with lots of mythtv devs being noneuropean I can only guess at it being twice as hard (because you care for atsc first, then dvb) |
| [09:13:49] | dekarl: | fwiw, according to the schema we could do better, too :( |
| [09:15:14] | Beirdo: | patches speak volumes :) |
| [09:15:32] | dekarl: | no patches until clue... |
| [09:17:25] | Beirdo: | OK, ordering 3TB drives |
| [09:17:38] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: I'll let ya know how it goes with those drives :) |
| [09:17:49] | Beirdo: | getting the Hitachis |
| [09:20:33] | dekarl: | Beirdo: I'm trying to wrap my head around matching xmltv channels to transmission channels while avoiding lineups. It seems to be easily possible to get perfect matches with original_network_id + service_id alone. But as everyone else is just writing lineups for every postcode it's not documented anywhere how to do it. (big companies like MS can afford that, so their MXF format goes the manpower route. But I prefer the DTRT rou |
| [09:21:19] | dekarl: | dreaming of automatic grabber setup in the mythtv web setup, and that needs a mapping somewhere |
| [09:26:31] | Beirdo: | ahh |
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| [09:35:23] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817332021 |
| [09:35:51] | Beirdo: | got one of those on order for the old drives... which will be added to the freebsd fileserver |
| [09:37:25] | derekj: | I can't speak for that jbod case but my friend recently got a ams computer case |
| [09:37:44] | derekj: | he was pleasnatly surprised by the quality construction |
| [09:38:13] | Beirdo: | only needed 4 bays, but 5 bays will do |
| [09:38:39] | derekj: | they didn't cheap out on the steel and finish like other case manufacturers |
| [09:39:37] | Beirdo: | I think that box still has the PCIE slot free |
| [09:39:42] | Beirdo: | (free Dell from work) |
| [09:41:22] | derekj: | are recent dell cases more atx than the one from p4 era? |
| [09:41:52] | derekj: | the same friend who bought the ams case gave up on repurposing a dell case |
| [09:41:57] | Beirdo: | dunno |
| [09:42:08] | Beirdo: | this one is a cast-off from the P4 era |
| [09:42:20] | Beirdo: | the newer ones they were getting rid of were btx |
| [09:42:29] | derekj: | cause aside from the front panel connector, the mobo mount was not atx |
| [09:43:02] | derekj: | there was no easy way to convert it to atx |
| [09:43:10] | derekj: | his was a precision 360 |
| [09:43:29] | Beirdo: | mine's 370 |
| [09:43:36] | Beirdo: | so about the same |
| [09:43:37] | derekj: | oh oh |
| [09:43:45] | Beirdo: | I like the design of those boxes |
| [09:43:55] | derekj: | if you use the same mobo it'd be ok |
| [09:44:15] | derekj: | but cant go to standand atx mobo on that easily |
| [09:44:27] | Beirdo: | also have an optiplex 745 and 755, both of which are BTX cases |
| [09:44:47] | derekj: | for $15 he just took the easier way out |
| [09:44:54] | Beirdo: | and an older P4 one which is smaller, forget the model |
| [09:45:02] | derekj: | less headache |
| [09:45:14] | Beirdo: | the 745 has my 550Ti in it for GPU work |
| [09:45:14] | derekj: | smaller as n matx? |
| [09:45:22] | derekj: | in* |
| [09:45:25] | Beirdo: | mini tower |
| [09:45:37] | Beirdo: | one sec |
| [09:46:07] | Beirdo: | Optiplex 170L |
| [09:46:17] | derekj: | no experience w/ that one |
| [09:46:36] | Beirdo: | dmidecode to the rescue :) |
| [09:46:47] | derekj: | pfft |
| [09:47:11] | Beirdo: | saves walking across the room and reading the outside of the box |
| [09:47:38] | derekj: | dmidecode doesn't inventory screw positions |
| [09:48:26] | derekj: | now that'd be a trick |
| [09:49:22] | derekj: | at least dell stop using non-atx power supplies |
| [09:49:54] | derekj: | drove everyone batty with that craziness |
| [09:52:37] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [09:53:01] | Beirdo: | yeah, my 745 got an upgrade on that account... needed the PCIE power connector |
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| [09:54:01] | Beirdo: | holy crap, it's 3am? |
| [09:54:08] | Beirdo: | no wonder I'm getting tired |
| [09:57:10] | Beirdo: | I guess I should go to bed soon |
| [09:57:49] | derekj: | where are you these days? West Coast? |
| [09:57:58] | Beirdo: | Seattle |
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| [09:58:09] | derekj: | when did you move there? |
| [09:58:18] | Beirdo: | about a year ago |
| [09:58:28] | derekj: | last I heard you were still in PR |
| [09:58:42] | Beirdo: | not anymore |
| [09:58:53] | derekj: | enjoying the rain? :) |
| [09:59:04] | Beirdo: | it rains less here than in PR |
| [09:59:15] | derekj: | well, that may be true |
| [09:59:19] | Beirdo: | just more drizzle, and more often |
| [09:59:40] | Beirdo: | it's nice here |
| [10:00:01] | derekj: | you live in seattle proper or bellevue? |
| [10:00:08] | Beirdo: | Seattle. :) |
| [10:00:18] | Beirdo: | just south of downtown |
| [10:00:36] | derekj: | well, I'll chat with you laters |
| [10:00:47] | derekj: | you should prolly go to bed |
| [10:00:49] | Beirdo: | yeah, I should crash |
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| [10:01:01] | Beirdo: | just waiting for the end of this show |
| [10:04:30] | Beirdo: | hmmm |
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| [10:05:36] | Beirdo: | oh good |
| [10:05:46] | Beirdo: | it had 16X PCIE and 1X PCIE |
| [10:05:48] | Beirdo: | whew |
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| [10:06:04] | Beirdo: | I already have one RAID controller in there, this would be the second |
| [10:06:06] | Beirdo: | heh |
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| [10:11:20] | Beirdo: | OK bed |
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| [14:49:32] | loganRun: | is smb the only way to share folders between linux boxes that is password protected |
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| [16:11:30] | Shebrock: | How would one satisfy this message from the frontend? "AO: audio waiting for buffer to fill: have 6144 want 9600" |
| [16:12:14] | Shebrock: | Would enabling extra audio buffers in setup do it, or should I tweak the asound prealloc files? |
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| [16:21:51] | tlhiv_laptop: | hi folks ... i created a password for the mythtv user, and now MythTV doesn't automatically launch (via /etc/inittab) when the computer starts |
| [16:21:56] | tlhiv_laptop: | how can i "undo" this |
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| [16:26:22] | wagnerrp: | inittab should be unaffected by password |
| [16:26:33] | wagnerrp: | since it runs as root |
| [16:26:36] | wagnerrp: | it bypasses login |
| [16:27:03] | tlhiv_laptop: | wagnerrp: agreed ... then something else must be wrong i guess |
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| [16:32:20] | tlhiv_laptop: | wagnerrp: i'm not sure how to troubleshoot this ... are there logs somewhere to indicate what's going on? |
| [16:32:46] | wagnerrp: | how exactly did you set up auto-login? |
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| [16:34:53] | tlhiv_laptop: | in /etc/inittab |
| [16:34:54] | tlhiv_laptop: | c8:2345:respawn:/sbin/mingetty --autologin mythtv tty8 |
| [16:35:44] | wagnerrp: | are you on gentoo? |
| [16:35:58] | tlhiv_laptop: | yes |
| [16:36:20] | wagnerrp: | yeah, as sensible as that autostart mechanism is, and even with it documented on the wiki |
| [16:36:26] | wagnerrp: | ive never seen anyone using it outside of gentoo |
| [16:37:15] | wagnerrp: | password doesnt matter, i have one and it gets bypassed |
| [16:37:30] | wagnerrp: | mingetty starts X, and X in turn starts mythfrontend |
| [16:37:41] | wagnerrp: | the problem is that if anything in that chain fails |
| [16:38:04] | wagnerrp: | mingetty will sit there spinning until it hits the repeat breakout |
| [16:38:57] | tlhiv_laptop: | i'm not seeing X even start |
| [16:39:08] | wagnerrp: | if that happens, you can see it in /var/log/messages |
| [16:39:36] | wagnerrp: | alternatively |
| [16:39:43] | wagnerrp: | perhaps you updated your system |
| [16:39:52] | wagnerrp: | and blindly accepted /etc/inittab updates |
| [16:40:01] | wagnerrp: | overwriting your autostart settings |
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| [16:40:18] | tlhiv_laptop: | i'm looking at /etc/inittab ... that line is still there |
| [16:40:30] | tlhiv_laptop: | and i have no /var/log/messages (weird) |
| [16:40:44] | tlhiv_laptop: | i've done a minimal gentoo install for this ... perhaps too minimal ;) |
| [16:41:19] | tlhiv_laptop: | i guess i need to install a syslogger |
| [16:41:30] | wagnerrp: | yes, that would be good |
| [16:41:49] | tlhiv_laptop: | hehe |
| [16:42:00] | wagnerrp: | of course thats something the manual installation instructions tell you to do before you finish |
| [16:43:48] | tlhiv_laptop: | yeah i've installed Gentoo so many times that i don't follow the manual anymore — of course i always forget something ;) |
| [16:43:54] | tlhiv_laptop: | usually it's setting root password :-) |
| [16:50:14] | tlhiv_laptop: | wagnerrp: does this show anything peculiar to you? i'm not noticing anything. |
| [16:50:16] | tlhiv_laptop: | http://pastebin.tlhiv.org/AMXObyyf |
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| [16:53:42] | tlhiv_laptop: | i may have identified the problem ... the .bash_profile ... i have overwritten it |
| [16:54:56] | wagnerrp: | your syslog would have told you so |
| [16:57:05] | tlhiv_laptop: | that did it |
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| [17:05:52] | wagnerrp: | i cant recall the last time i installed gentoo |
| [17:06:07] | wagnerrp: | been 2–3 years |
| [17:06:08] | tlhiv_laptop: | well it's all i use |
| [17:06:19] | wagnerrp: | oh, i didnt say i dont use it |
| [17:06:27] | tlhiv_laptop: | well i don't re-install |
| [17:06:27] | wagnerrp: | just been a while since i installed it |
| [17:06:32] | tlhiv_laptop: | i just install |
| [17:07:06] | wagnerrp: | i dont install |
| [17:07:20] | wagnerrp: | ive got a single shared image i use for any x86_64 machine |
| [17:07:38] | wagnerrp: | new machine, make an overlay with a couple config files, and boot |
| [17:07:48] | wagnerrp: | takes all of a few minutes |
| [17:08:34] | tlhiv_laptop: | where's the fun in that? :-) |
| [17:09:22] | wagnerrp: | i can spawn any number of frontends with almost no effort |
| [17:12:02] | tlhiv_laptop: | so i hate to keep beating this to death, but can you think of a way to start playing a video file and have it continue playing the remaining files in that directory in succession |
| [17:12:05] | tlhiv_laptop: | perhaps with a script |
| [17:12:23] | tlhiv_laptop: | but using the Myth gui to do it |
| [17:12:59] | wagnerrp: | the only such behavior is the 'play folder' |
| [17:14:07] | tlhiv_laptop: | once in there, i wonder if it's possible to "skip" to a particular "track" |
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| [17:15:54] | wagnerrp: | a K8 board with AGP slot? |
| [17:16:09] | wagnerrp: | didnt know they ever made such a beast |
| [17:16:47] | tlhiv_laptop: | it was basically the first opteron workstation motherboard |
| [17:17:06] | wagnerrp: | what software do you use for pastebin? |
| [17:17:07] | tlhiv_laptop: | i got grant money for this machine in 2004, and it's still a very nice machine today |
| [17:17:21] | tlhiv_laptop: | i wrote my own pastebin, but it using ViM for the formatting |
| [17:18:21] | tlhiv_laptop: | this machine is a Tyan K8W motherboard, dual 2.4GHz opteron processors, 4GB ram, and had 1TB of storage when i built it ... of course i've "borrowed" all but one of the drives since i build the machine |
| [17:18:26] | tlhiv_laptop: | i'm down to 250GB in it ;) |
| [17:19:48] | tlhiv_laptop: | this machine is been sitting in my room turn off for over 2 years ... i'm glad to finally have a use for it |
| [17:20:44] | wagnerrp: | just wasting power IMHO |
| [17:20:52] | tlhiv_laptop: | well it wasn't turned on |
| [17:20:59] | wagnerrp: | well i mean it is now |
| [17:21:04] | tlhiv_laptop: | why? |
| [17:21:39] | wagnerrp: | a pair of old 89W CPUs and eight sticks of DDR |
| [17:21:47] | wagnerrp: | plus a workstation class motherboard |
| [17:21:51] | wagnerrp: | going to suck down a lot of power |
| [17:22:11] | wagnerrp: | probably idles beyond 200W |
| [17:22:17] | tlhiv_laptop: | perhaps |
| [17:22:40] | wagnerrp: | you could pick up a new board, dual core athlon II, and 2x2GB DDR3 |
| [17:22:42] | tlhiv_laptop: | it would be nice if i could get my IR receiver to suspend and bring it out of suspend |
| [17:22:47] | wagnerrp: | for maybe $150 |
| [17:22:55] | wagnerrp: | and it would idle closer to 50W |
| [17:23:14] | wagnerrp: | if its something you leave on all the time, you would make up the different in power costs within a year |
| [17:23:26] | tlhiv_laptop: | yeah |
| [17:23:52] | tlhiv_laptop: | well this is more of an experiment right now ... i would like to think it will last a while ... we'll see |
| [17:24:11] | tlhiv_laptop: | if i can get the remote controlling it appropriately, then the wife will like it and it will stay |
| [17:24:13] | tlhiv_laptop: | ;) |
| [17:24:26] | wagnerrp: | ah, so this is a test box to try out mythtv |
| [17:24:36] | tlhiv_laptop: | essentially yes |
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| [17:25:21] | tlhiv_laptop: | so far i must say that i am impressed (except for the minor annoyance of not just playing through a directory like MythMusic does) |
| [17:26:08] | tlhiv_laptop: | and there is the annoyance with MythMusic with not starting with "All My Music" instead of "All My Playlists" |
| [17:26:18] | wagnerrp: | yeah, weve got some big schema and internal structure changes coming in the next dev cycle |
| [17:26:32] | wagnerrp: | the hope is that in the process, adding playlist support will become trivial |
| [17:26:57] | tlhiv_laptop: | when i go to "Play Music", i see 3 panes |
| [17:27:04] | tlhiv_laptop: | first pane reads "playlist root" |
| [17:27:24] | tlhiv_laptop: | second pane reads "All My Music" and "All My Playlists" but defaults to "All My Playlists" |
| [17:27:48] | tlhiv_laptop: | and the third pane (since the second defaults to "All My Playlists") shows "Active Play Queue" |
| [17:28:15] | tlhiv_laptop: | I would prefer to have the second pane default to "All My Music" |
| [17:28:28] | tlhiv_laptop: | then it just reads the directories in my music folder |
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| [18:01:45] | tlhiv_laptop: | how does change the order mythbrowser bookmarks are listed? |
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| [18:58:01] | ThisNewGuy: | hey all – has anyone noticed commflagging not working since ~July-10th in master? |
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| [18:59:28] | wagnerrp: | it has been mentioned |
| [18:59:37] | wagnerrp: | i may have caused it |
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| [19:00:51] | ThisNewGuy: | k – so no need for a ticket? |
| [19:01:05] | wagnerrp: | not yet |
| [19:01:13] | ThisNewGuy: | k |
| [19:02:17] | ThisNewGuy: | Is adding the jobs to the queue manually the current work around? |
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| [19:03:12] | wagnerrp: | are the commflagging jobs actually not being added? |
| [19:04:23] | ThisNewGuy: | the jobs get added but they don't seem to actually flag the commercials – I just added a job for an old show to the queue now to test if it will flag |
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| [20:05:21] | richardjprice: | hello, which distro would you run mythtv on, if you were planning on setting up mythtv on a new htpc, in the next 10 minutes |
| [20:05:33] | [R]: | richardjprice: the one you know the most |
| [20:05:39] | wagnerrp: | what distro do you most commonly use? |
| [20:05:57] | richardjprice: | well it was ubuntu, which i have hated since the unity update |
| [20:06:14] | richardjprice: | happy to learn or get familiar with other ones |
| [20:06:21] | [R]: | wel lyou can use ubutu with myth w/o unity |
| [20:06:24] | [R]: | so if you know ubuntuy, go with it |
| [20:06:41] | wagnerrp: | i assume you have used mythtv before? |
| [20:06:52] | richardjprice: | a little, |
| [20:07:11] | richardjprice: | i hear its tricky to setup, but happy to learn |
| [20:07:48] | richardjprice: | i suppose mythbuntu is easiest way into it |
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| [20:41:33] | wagnerrp: | http://kotaku.com/5818831/ |
| [21:06:17] | wagnerrp: | sphery: if you get a chance, could you look through http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Record_multiple_ch . . . apture_Cards and make sure i got things right? |
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| [21:08:05] | ** sphery assumes that's supposed to be "one_multiplex" ** | |
| [21:08:37] | wagnerrp: | sure, whatever i just changed |
| [21:08:46] | sphery: | heh, found it--am looking |
| [21:10:41] | sphery: | wagnerrp: looks good |
| [21:13:21] | wagnerrp: | the way it was worded was backwards |
| [21:13:32] | wagnerrp: | add one virtual tuner each, and then add a bunch more |
| [21:13:50] | wagnerrp: | and then there was some funky talk about disk performance issues with multirec |
| [21:14:24] | sphery: | heh, one virtual, then a bunch more would make a huge mess |
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| [21:19:18] | wagnerrp: | Guest57722: mythbackend on Nexenta is going to be of limited use, due to lack of tuner drivers |
| [21:19:26] | wagnerrp: | or at least that what i would have said, had he come back |
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| [21:21:31] | wagnerrp: | boringuy: mythbackend on Nexenta is going to be of limited use, due to lack of tuner drivers |
| [21:22:32] | boringuy: | Yes, I have the HDHomeRun and because I already have a zfs file server running 24x7 with a lot of disk. That's why I wanns setup the backend on it also. |
| [21:23:41] | wagnerrp: | if it doesnt currently compile |
| [21:23:52] | wagnerrp: | youre probably looking at having to do a number of OS specific fixups |
| [21:24:02] | wagnerrp: | like you see in the code for freebsd and osx |
| [21:24:19] | boringuy: | well. First step is trying to get qmake. The qt4-dev-tools doesn't seem to have it. |
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| [21:35:25] | sphery: | wagnerrp: heh, I'm glad that you even knew what Nexenta was (I don't) |
| [21:35:44] | wagnerrp: | i didnt, google did |
| [21:36:06] | sphery: | ah |
| [21:36:43] | sphery: | then again, you were the one I'd have assumed would be most likely to know--since you seem to have a handle on all sorts of alternative OS's |
| [21:36:56] | boringuy: | yeah. I have been using opensolaris for a long time but when Oracle bought Sun, I switched to Nexenta because the packages on OpenSolaris was a pain. |
| [21:37:25] | sphery: | yeah, and didn't the opensolaris guys basically have to give up or something? |
| [21:38:01] | boringuy: | Found qmake in libqt-dev but it's too old (4.3). So, need to download the whole qt source to see if I can just compile qmake. |
| [21:38:38] | boringuy: | Yup. They threaten to pull the plug and Oracle was like "go ahead, who cares..." |
| [21:38:59] | sphery: | :( Qt compile is always annoying... I generally leave it to run overnight. Note, also, that it generally takes many gigs of HDD space to compile (around 6GB last I tried, IIRC) |
| [21:39:34] | boringuy: | I don't need Qt to just compile the backend, right? |
| [21:39:58] | wagnerrp: | yes you do |
| [21:40:02] | boringuy: | I was hoping just to get qmake to generate the Makefiles and see if I can just compile the backend. |
| [21:40:13] | boringuy: | Ah.... That's a bomber. |
| [21:40:18] | wagnerrp: | what are you thinking qt is? |
| [21:40:28] | boringuy: | gui related? |
| [21:40:39] | wagnerrp: | no, thats just one thing qt provides |
| [21:40:43] | wagnerrp: | its not like gtk |
| [21:40:55] | wagnerrp: | rather, its a whole application framework and extension to c++ |
| [21:41:12] | boringuy: | that I don't know. I always think qt is also just a graphical tool kit. |
| [21:41:35] | wagnerrp: | it also does that |
| [21:42:00] | boringuy: | Maybe I should just use older version of mythtv that will compile with 4.3? good idea? |
| [21:42:07] | sphery: | I'm still wondering how you can have an OS based on OpenSolaris and Ubuntu... Perhaps it's better if I don't know. |
| [21:42:23] | wagnerrp: | dont know if there is an older version |
| [21:42:24] | boringuy: | Disk space is not a problem. I just don't want to run into dependency hell. |
| [21:42:27] | wagnerrp: | did we ever support 4.3? |
| [21:42:37] | wagnerrp: | i through the qt4 migration in 0.22 required 4.4 |
| [21:42:41] | wagnerrp: | thought |
| [21:43:10] | wagnerrp: | sphery: its like debian running the freebsd kernel |
| [21:43:13] | sphery: | that sounds about right... been too long |
| [21:43:31] | boringuy: | yes. basically it. |
| [21:43:32] | wagnerrp: | boringuy: on that note, how long have you been running nexenta? |
| [21:43:34] | sphery: | ah, wow... didn't even know debian did alternate kernels |
| [21:44:59] | wagnerrp: | yeah, they also have one based off hurd |
| [21:45:12] | boringuy: | running nexenta since Sept last year. |
| [21:45:40] | wagnerrp: | i was going to suggest you might want to try freebsd |
| [21:46:04] | wagnerrp: | its likely to get a lot more support |
| [21:46:11] | wagnerrp: | has a very functional support for zfs |
| [21:46:32] | wagnerrp: | and would probably be more like what youre used to in opensolaris, than something ubuntu based |
| [21:47:25] | boringuy: | I considered freebsd before using nexenta, the zfs in freebsd seems to be pretty old but nexenta's repo for other stuffs are pretty old. |
| [21:47:26] | wagnerrp: | plus theres at least two devs who are freebsd users |
| [21:48:19] | wagnerrp: | freebsd 8.2 runs zpool version 15 |
| [21:48:44] | wagnerrp: | the developmental version 9 runs zpool version 28 |
| [21:48:45] | boringuy: | I thought compiling the backend was just ./configure, remove all tuner card supports except hdhomerun ... |
| [21:48:59] | boringuy: | the qt requirement is a surprise. |
| [21:49:24] | wagnerrp: | Qt is our one absolute core requirement that you cannot do without |
| [21:49:30] | wagnerrp: | the whole of mythtv is built around qt |
| [21:51:25] | wagnerrp: | seems v28 will also be backported to version 8.3 |
| [21:53:08] | boringuy: | I am at zpool version 26 |
| [21:54:26] | boringuy: | well I will switch to freebsd 8.3 if that's the case. I will miss solaris zones and the admin commands ... |
| [21:54:48] | wagnerrp: | replaced by freebsd jails |
| [21:55:01] | sphery: | but you'll be free of Oracle's evil embrace :) |
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| [21:55:54] | wagnerrp: | wait, dont we use mysql? |
| [21:57:32] | boringuy: | Ha...Ha...Ha.......... |
| [21:59:28] | sphery: | heh, oh yeah... :( |
| [22:04:09] | wagnerrp: | we could grant the wishes of all those people who want to use postgresql... or sqlite... |
| [22:04:10] | wagnerrp: | :) |
| [22:08:53] | sphery: | let's just go with berkeley db :) |
| [22:09:34] | wagnerrp: | bdbdbd |
| [22:09:48] | sphery: | it's Twiggy! |
| [22:09:49] | wagnerrp: | sounds like a robot from a bad 70s tv show |
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| [22:18:29] | boringuy: | It's pretty hopeless for me to compile qt on a frankenstein OS. It think it's solaris and setting up the path to like /usr/openwin, /usr/sfw ...etc. Even I change those paths, It still cannot find the basic X11 library... |
| [22:18:47] | boringuy: | Will probably wait for FreeBSD 8.3 |
| [22:20:09] | iamlindoro: | Myth *definitely* works on FreeBSD |
| [22:20:25] | iamlindoro: | right this very second, even |
| [22:20:26] | Diverdude (Diverdude!~Diverdude@217.24.108.151) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [22:20:39] | wagnerrp: | yes, but his ZFS volumes are too new |
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| [22:20:52] | wagnerrp: | he cant import them to fbsd 8.2 |
| [22:21:17] | iamlindoro: | Well what would I want with context? It prevents me having outrageous opinions! |
| [22:22:26] | boringuy: | freebsd 8.2 was released on my birthday! |
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| [22:23:04] | boringuy: | 9.0 is just a few months away. Will switch over as soon as it's released. |
| [22:24:37] | iamlindoro: | but but but Lennart says it's irrelevant! |
| [22:24:51] | iamlindoro: | And this from the man who brought us PulseAudio! |
| [22:25:24] | wagnerrp: | no, he says its irrelevant for the desktop |
| [22:25:29] | wagnerrp: | and i would tend to agree |
| [22:25:32] | ** wagnerrp vomits ** | |
| [22:25:52] | wagnerrp: | ah, cleared that bad taste out |
| [22:26:34] | Beirdo: | speaking of FreeBSD... that box is the next one to move to the office... |
| [22:28:26] | boringuy: | Why no one makes a Frankinstein FreeBSD that can run Mac software natively? |
| [22:28:34] | Beirdo: | ask Apple |
| [22:29:01] | wagnerrp: | boringuy: running mac software is easy |
| [22:29:04] | wagnerrp: | the problem is the UI |
| [22:29:06] | boringuy: | I will buy Mac OS X if they let me install it on my own PC. |
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| [22:29:22] | Beirdo: | they will.. as long as it was made by Apple |
| [22:29:47] | wagnerrp: | they dont use X11 |
| [22:30:02] | wagnerrp: | so you have to implement their whole UI framework to make it work |
| [22:30:20] | lwizardl: | what about apple? |
| [22:30:37] | wagnerrp: | theyre tasty |
| [22:30:38] | boringuy: | If they can make wine, I would think someone will try to make apple cider ... |
| [22:30:49] | lwizardl: | lol |
| [22:30:51] | lwizardl: | nice |
| [22:32:19] | wagnerrp: | when life gives you apples, you ferment |
| [22:32:33] | Beirdo: | now that sounds good |
| [22:32:44] | boringuy: | I normal won't care about Mac software, but kid's software/games only comes in Windoze or Mac |
| [22:33:27] | lwizardl: | boringuy, that will change in time even big companies are slowly making linux versions of some |
| [22:33:31] | boringuy: | Anyway.... getting way out of topic. |
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| [22:33:40] | lwizardl: | I know ID software loves linux in general |
| [22:34:05] | lwizardl: | ok but back to mythtv :) |
| [22:34:09] | boringuy: | It's been fun. I haven't irc for ages.... Thanks for chatting..... |
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| [22:35:02] | lwizardl: | ok so today I got a new TV for using with mythtv and seems to work great now for display and no longer having the overscan/underscan issues. |
| [22:35:54] | lwizardl: | but where do i go for looking at installing the V4L stuff to be used on the new kernel in MythBuntu 11.04? I remember it being some type of ppa |
| [22:37:24] | awalls: | For bleeding edge drivers: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/How_to_ . . . vice_Drivers |
| [22:37:36] | awalls: | But it's not for the faint of heart |
| [22:38:08] | awalls: | Also Ubuntu-isms may make building a pain (kernel headers problems IIRC) |
| [22:38:43] | lwizardl: | I am fine working with bash. but I am just trying to get my new tuner card to work Hauppauge HVR-1600 [cx18] |
| [22:40:08] | lwizardl: | and my system just finished a clean install to start my config with |
| [22:40:15] | wagnerrp: | what does bash have anything to do with? |
| [22:40:36] | lwizardl: | bash as in no gui |
| [22:41:06] | lwizardl: | when most people say faint of heart it usually means to me that your working in terminal mostly. |
| [22:41:34] | Beirdo: | OK, now to reconfig the FreeBSD box |
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| [22:42:09] | wagnerrp: | lwizardl: it means youre tinkering with config files and compiling new kernel drivers |
| [22:42:27] | lwizardl: | ok |
| [22:43:00] | wagnerrp: | being comfortable with bash |
| [22:43:03] | wagnerrp: | has nothing to do with it |
| [22:43:12] | wagnerrp: | bash is just a shell, or at most a programming language |
| [22:43:37] | wagnerrp: | you have to be comfortable with the system utilities and structure, which has nothing to do with bash |
| [22:44:24] | awalls: | yes, by "not for the faint of heart" I meant you may experience problems which require one to invets time to adapt and overcome. |
| [22:44:35] | awalls: | /requires/ |
| [22:44:38] | awalls: | /invest/ |
| [22:53:22] | lwizardl: | ok I just attempted to do ./build.sh and was given 2 errors |
| [22:54:01] | lwizardl: | says i need to install lsdiff and Proc::ProcessTable |
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| [22:56:42] | wagnerrp: | hahahaha |
| [22:57:17] | wagnerrp: | colorado woman is arrested on felony sexual assault after groping TSA agent in response to a body search |
| [22:57:45] | lwizardl: | I read about that |
| [22:57:47] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: this look right? |
| [22:57:56] | Beirdo: | ipv6_ifconfig_bge0="inet6 2001:1938:270:2::5 prefixlen 64" |
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| [22:58:21] | Beirdo: | it didn't seem to take when I re-ran rc |
| [22:58:33] | wagnerrp: | nix the inet6 |
| [22:58:43] | Beirdo: | oh? |
| [22:58:50] | wagnerrp: | that is automatically added for ipv6_ifconfig entries |
| [22:59:00] | Beirdo: | K, that does make sense |
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| [23:02:01] | Beirdo: | there |
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| [23:02:45] | Beirdo: | now to setup the HDHR3... oh crap |
| [23:02:54] | Beirdo: | I'm outta network ports in that room |
| [23:02:59] | wagnerrp: | hehe |
| [23:03:16] | wagnerrp: | move it elsewhere? |
| [23:03:51] | Beirdo: | I'm not really wanting to be pushing the video across wireless :) |
| [23:04:09] | Beirdo: | I guess I need yet another switch |
| [23:04:28] | lwizardl: | ok looks like its building so far... |
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| [23:15:16] | jchance: | hello.. i have been dealing with this issue involving my hdpvr and mythtv 0.24-fixes from the mythbuntu repos. I am running kubuntu 10.04 and what is happening is when the hdpvr is chosen as a tuner it comes on for a second and shuts off right as the frontend shows a TL lock. The hdpvr works flawlessly in windows and using cat /dev/videoX. I uploaded a copy of my backend log to pastebin.com here http://pastebin.com/pXf5uTYE . A |
| [23:15:16] | jchance: | ny help is appreciated and I want to thank you in advance for it. |
| [23:16:40] | Beirdo: | OMG, I can see my coffee table again |
| [23:16:59] | [R]: | Beirdo: why couldn't you prior? |
| [23:17:09] | Beirdo: | it was covered with computers |
| [23:17:15] | [R]: | haha |
| [23:18:39] | Beirdo: | now what was it that I wanted to dig OUT of it? |
| [23:18:56] | Beirdo: | it's a chest-style and contains a lot of my parts |
| [23:19:22] | wagnerrp: | the box of porn |
| [23:19:26] | awalls: | computer parts? ;) |
| [23:19:34] | Beirdo: | computer parts, aye |
| [23:19:53] | awalls: | wagnerrp: Isn't that another name for a computer? |
| [23:20:07] | wagnerrp: | indeed! |
| [23:20:13] | Beirdo: | why else would 4TB not be enough? ;) |
| [23:24:12] | lwizardl: | ok now that finished installing hopefully i can get a working system :) |
| [23:25:05] | awalls: | lwizardl: back up you existin modules first. |
| [23:25:11] | awalls: | /existing/ |
| [23:25:15] | awalls: | /your/ |
| [23:26:00] | awalls: | What model HVR-1600 do you have, BTW? |
| [23:27:46] | lwizardl: | only thing the auction said was WinTV-HVR-1600 model ATSC/NTSC |
| [23:27:51] | lwizardl: | part number 5188–7452 |
| [23:30:14] | lwizardl: | i'll look at the card after i finish these upgrades and need to reboot |
| [23:30:49] | Beirdo: | oh bugger |
| [23:31:17] | Beirdo: | I forgot.. I used the other PCIE slot... for a crappy video card |
| [23:31:27] | awalls: | No big deal. Only the latest model HVR-1600's need the latest V4L2-DVB drivers |
| [23:31:59] | Beirdo: | I'll have to see if I have some craptacular PCI video card around somewhere |
| [23:32:08] | Beirdo: | it's for console only |
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| [23:32:51] | ** awalls still has an S3 Trio32 based card in the house ** | |
| [23:32:57] | lwizardl: | awalls, ah ok well last install of mythbuntu when i looked at the ivtv device it said fail so I would guess i have a newer one |
| [23:34:06] | awalls: | Before you install the new drivers try: v4l2-ctl -d /dev/video0 --log-status |
| [23:34:19] | awalls: | wit the stock cx18 driver installed |
| [23:34:28] | awalls: | /with/ |
| [23:34:51] | awalls: | (Assuming /dev/video0 corresponds to the HVR1600) |
| [23:35:02] | lwizardl: | i'll have to do that later if this one also fails. I already installed the new v4l. i'm now adding things using the MCC application |
| [23:35:14] | lwizardl: | yeah |
| [23:35:20] | Beirdo: | gonna have to dig through the bonepile at work and see if there are any old PCI video cards still |
| [23:35:22] | awalls: | MCC? |
| [23:35:24] | lwizardl: | I'll post what was displaying last time |
| [23:35:34] | lwizardl: | MCC = Mythbuntu Control Centre |
| [23:35:39] | awalls: | Ah |
| [23:36:10] | lwizardl: | Analog V4L /dev/video0 Hauppague HVR-1600 [cx18] |
| [23:36:29] | lwizardl: | MJPEG /dev/video0 Hauppauge HVR-1600 [cx18] |
| [23:36:40] | lwizardl: | IVTV /dev/video0 fail |
| [23:36:46] | lwizardl: | h.264 fail |
| [23:36:55] | awalls: | No. Use IVTV. |
| [23:37:19] | lwizardl: | DVB DTV /dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0 Samsung S5H1409 QAM Subtype ATSC |
| [23:37:36] | awalls: | Yeah, that's the digital side of the card. |
| [23:37:43] | lwizardl: | USB MPEG-4 /dev/video0 Hauppauge HVR-1600 [cx18] |
| [23:37:53] | awalls: | (The HVR-1600 looks like two adapters to MythTV) |
| [23:38:04] | awalls: | Nope, use IVTV. |
| [23:38:08] | lwizardl: | yeah I was just listing off everything that mythtv was listing for options in the card config |
| [23:38:09] | jpabq: | jchance, Just guessing.... Myth will tell the HD-PVR which audio input it wants to use (S/PDIF for analog). If the HD-PVR is told to use an input that is not actually hooked up, it will refuse to start recording. Are you sure Myth is configured to use the inputs that are actually hooked up? |
| [23:38:23] | jpabq: | (S/PDIF *or* analog) |
| [23:38:38] | awalls: | Get to a command prompt and try th --log-status command I gave you earlier |
| [23:38:45] | lwizardl: | I was trying to take screenshots of them but seems that in mythbuntu it has that function disabled |
| [23:39:13] | lwizardl: | awalls, you want me to do that since this machine has the new v4l on it |
| [23:39:15] | awalls: | I suspect MCC is not happy about something the cx18 driver is returning. |
| [23:39:20] | awalls: | yeah. |
| [23:39:22] | lwizardl: | k |
| [23:39:26] | jchance: | jpabq: yep.. i was actually checking my spdif connection a second ago |
| [23:39:39] | awalls: | The cx18 driver is very much like the ivtv driver, buffer differs in small ways. |
| [23:39:53] | awalls: | /but/ not /buffer/ |
| [23:40:46] | lwizardl: | awalls, ok errors and asks if i wanted a command from ivtv-utils |
| [23:41:24] | jpabq: | jchance, Looks like you were trying LiveTV. LiveTV can have issues. Does recording work? |
| [23:41:52] | awalls: | The v4l2-ctl in the ivtv-utils is old. The newer version is in v4l2-utils |
| [23:42:25] | awalls: | Do you have v4l2-ctl installed on the machine at all? |
| [23:43:09] | awalls: | Oh well. cat /dev/video0 > foo.mpg |
| [23:43:26] | jpabq: | jchance, also, I assume you only have the one V4L2 capture device? In other words, you are sure it is the HD-PVR hooked up to /dev/video0 ? |
| [23:43:28] | jchance: | jpabq: i haven't got that far checking recordings.. been trying to get live tv up and running where i never had a problem before this reinstall and move of the system its on |
| [23:43:28] | awalls: | Should capture an MPEG2 file from the HVR-1600. |
| [23:43:44] | lwizardl: | awalls, all i did was install the OS, and then grab the files, build the v4l, then did the install like the page said and restarted |
| [23:43:57] | lwizardl: | then i opened mcc and started to add a few things like log all |
| [23:43:59] | jchance: | jpabq: i can cat /dev/video0 and it works fine |
| [23:44:10] | jpabq: | jchance, Myth has always been much better at recording reliable, than it has been at doing LiveTV reliably. |
| [23:44:16] | awalls: | The HVR-1600 defaults to US broadcast channel 4, so you'll get snow if there is nothing on that channel. |
| [23:44:24] | lwizardl: | seems mcc errors on the mythmovies plugin also |
| [23:45:29] | ** awalls has to step away ** | |
| [23:46:22] | lwizardl: | k |
| [23:46:47] | jchance: | jpabq: i just tried the rca connections where i hooked them up setting everything up saying it couldn't hurt and it started up and was working on them. i will try the spdif now again after checking its connections |
| [23:47:41] | jpabq: | jchance, Another thing, the HD-PVR does not like to have both the RCA and S/PDIF hooked up at the same time --- I think when that happens, it ignores the S/PDIF (but I am not sure). |
| [23:48:25] | awalls: | lwizardl: v4l2-ctl is a useful diagnostic tool so you can see if you problem is a hardware or cx18 driver problem |
| [23:48:30] | jchance: | jpabq: hahahahahahaha that could be my problem |
| [23:48:34] | awalls: | or an application program problem. |
| [23:48:51] | awalls: | You should install either ivtv-utils or v4l2-utils |
| [23:49:06] | awalls: | so you can start to narrow down the source of you problem. |
| [23:49:12] | awalls: | /your/ |
| [23:49:26] | lwizardl: | k |
| [23:49:32] | lwizardl: | ok just pulled the card |
| [23:50:08] | lwizardl: | it says WinTV-HVR-1600 ATSC/NTSC 74551 LF Rev C1A3 (c)2006 Hauppauge |
| [23:50:21] | lwizardl: | part number 518–7111 |
| [23:50:25] | jchance: | jpabq: that was my problem.. can i get a carlos mencia deeee deee deeeeeeee |
| [23:50:26] | awalls: | Ah, that's an older model. |
| [23:50:45] | awalls: | That one should work just fine, if the previous owner didn't break it somehow. |
| [23:50:49] | jchance: | jpabq: i had them both hooked up and thought nothing of it |
| [23:51:03] | jpabq: | jchance, good. Glad you figured it out. Feel free to update the wiki with your experience as it may help others avoid that problem. |
| [23:51:21] | lwizardl: | k |
| [23:52:02] | lwizardl: | says Conexant MPEGII A/V encoder system CX23418–22Z Z 0629 Taiwan |
| [23:52:06] | awalls: | I have one in my machine: Hauppauge model 74551, rev C1A3 |
| [23:52:17] | lwizardl: | sweet |
| [23:53:23] | awalls: | You certainly shouldn't need the latest, bleeding edge drivers for it to work. |
| [23:53:28] | jchance: | jpabq: i will try to do that once i get the computer back in it's cabinet and all squared away... i was going out of my tree where no tv for like 3 weeks.. i missed burn notice's premiere because of this.. thanks again.. i wouldn't have figured it out without your help |
| [23:54:36] | jpabq: | jchance, Just tidbits of info picked up over time — glad it helped. |
| [23:56:33] | jpabq: | jchance, If you are actually going to use it with LiveTV, you *may* find that it looses audio on channel changes. I believe it is because it is resetting to it's default of AAC audio (which Myth does not support), instead of using AC3. I have a patch to fix that, which I guess I should go ahead and commit.... |
| [23:56:36] | jchance: | jpabq: i am glad it did too.. i will say this though as a major positive. it seems mythtv is the only software that plays video well with the new AMD fglrx drivers tear free. vlc and mplayer both choke and get jittery |
| [23:58:00] | jchance: | jpabq: i use ac3 and haven't had it loose audio except back on 0.22 and 0.23, but that was because i had to put a pause in my firewire channel change executable |
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| [23:58:37] | lwizardl: | ok I just started the machine back up |
| [23:59:00] | jchance: | jpabq: i thought mythtv supported aac, wait it does. i remember trying it out thinking it was multichannel aac instead of stereo |
| [23:59:20] | jpabq: | Myth used to, but has not for a while now. |
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