| Thursday, July 14th, 2011, 00:00 UTC | ||
| [00:00:51] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: seems we just require DateManip, no particular version |
| [00:01:23] | wagnerrp: | considering i havent had any trouble with it, i imagine were fine |
| [00:01:30] | ** kormoc nods ** | |
| [00:01:44] | Beirdo: | I changed it to use Date::Manip::TZ in September, 2010 |
| [00:02:04] | Beirdo: | which requires v6.0 of the Date-Manip perl package |
| [00:03:06] | Beirdo: | and this fool wants me to change it back to what it was before I fixed it. |
| [00:03:25] | Beirdo: | sorry, no. |
| [00:04:09] | iamlindoro: | Hah, it's even getting stupid Lifetime Movies right |
| [00:11:45] | wagnerrp: | thats because its going off the title and not the plot |
| [00:12:48] | iamlindoro: | seem to match up to me, stupid on both sides |
| [00:13:21] | kormoc: | he's inferring that the plot is the same for them all |
| [00:13:28] | iamlindoro: | heh |
| [00:13:31] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [00:13:52] | wagnerrp: | theyve got like five movies, and fifty sets of casts for each |
| [00:13:52] | Beirdo: | well, they probably have 3 or 4 total plots amongst the hundreds of movies |
| [00:14:34] | wagnerrp: | its like scifi channel movies, where they just swap out one CGI monster for the next, and dont bother refilming |
| [00:15:45] | iamlindoro: | Sharktopus == Octomom, I see |
| [00:15:58] | wagnerrp: | no |
| [00:16:08] | wagnerrp: | sharktopus VS. octomom |
| [00:16:13] | iamlindoro: | Vs. Predator |
| [00:16:41] | wagnerrp: | Vs. Neil Diamond Phillips |
| [00:16:46] | iamlindoro: | Lou |
| [00:16:53] | wagnerrp: | Lou, whoops |
| [00:17:59] | kormoc is now known as kormoc_afk | |
| [00:18:00] | wagnerrp: | and the Hercules guy, hes there a lot too |
| [00:18:03] | wagnerrp: | Kevin Sorbo |
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| [00:39:57] | iamlindoro: | Heh, History was clever, they did a reality show crossover between American Pickers, Pawn Stars, and American Restoration |
| [00:40:25] | iamlindoro: | One set of guys went and found the car for thepawn guys, who had the third guys restore it. Smart |
| [00:40:42] | iamlindoro: | Totally staged, but cool |
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| [00:49:20] | k-man: | morning all |
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| [01:22:07] | k-man: | a few months ago I was asking if it was possible to store the original language of a show in the database somehow. at the time there was no field for that information. I was told there was a big refactor of the tables happening and it might be added at some point after that... any idea of the status of that? |
| [01:23:21] | wagnerrp: | it was decided that with a release a couple months out, it would be better to leave it for the beginning of the 0.26 development cycle |
| [01:23:45] | k-man: | the refactoring or adding the language field? |
| [01:23:48] | wagnerrp: | since its such a drastic change, it would be bad to try to stuff it in near the end, without sufficient testing |
| [01:24:00] | k-man: | ah, the refactoring? |
| [01:24:04] | wagnerrp: | the language field was probably something that would be added as part of the refactor |
| [01:24:13] | k-man: | ah ok thanks for the update |
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| [01:33:18] | Captain_Murdoch: | that's the kind of thing that potentially should be stored per-file in the new schema. |
| [01:34:20] | Captain_Murdoch: | you could have the original version of a recording with 2 languages present and a transcoded copy that only has the secondary, non-primary language in it. |
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| [01:36:56] | wagnerrp: | werent there to be provisions describing individual streams in each file? certain streams could be marked as default |
| [01:38:10] | iamlindoro: | Not in the schema I've seen |
| [01:42:50] | wagnerrp: | anyone ever play ico or shadow of the colossus? |
| [01:43:04] | iamlindoro: | yup, awesome |
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| [01:43:33] | wagnerrp: | newegg has a pre-order on PS3 revamps |
| [01:43:33] | iamlindoro: | considering the HD remakes? |
| [01:43:38] | wagnerrp: | the both of them for $30 |
| [01:43:44] | iamlindoro: | yeah, I have both on PS2, they're amazing and poignant |
| [01:43:53] | wagnerrp: | worth picking up? |
| [01:44:10] | iamlindoro: | I can only assume so, having only played the originals |
| [01:44:19] | wagnerrp: | i mean the PS3 versions, rather than just finding copies of the PS2 ones |
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| [01:47:49] | wagnerrp: | comes out end of september it seems |
| [01:48:00] | wagnerrp: | ive heard very good things about both |
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| [01:51:24] | iamlindoro: | Yes, both were fantastic, I was considering buying the remake myself |
| [01:51:33] | iamlindoro: | Very sad, but very good |
| [01:52:53] | wagnerrp: | well the $10 off ends tonight |
| [01:53:01] | wagnerrp: | although there may very well be others |
| [01:54:00] | wagnerrp: | why ubuntu... why... |
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| [01:54:14] | wagnerrp: | why did you feel the need to change the output of netstat to be different from everyone else? |
| [01:54:35] | mag0o: | hehe, maybe find netstat-real? |
| [01:54:40] | mag0o: | (pure random guess) |
| [01:56:00] | Beirdo: | hehehe |
| [01:56:54] | Beirdo: | or update-alternatives |
| [01:56:54] | iamlindoro: | Poor skd5aner is going to be in some real trouble when he tries to get caught up on commits |
| [01:57:04] | Beirdo: | and see if there's an option |
| [01:57:18] | wagnerrp: | the mess with mythcommflag alone will be fun |
| [01:57:29] | wagnerrp: | "did anything of note actually change here?" |
| [01:57:29] | iamlindoro: | I was thinking metadata, but yeah, that too |
| [01:57:30] | Beirdo: | heh, yeah |
| [01:57:32] | Beirdo: | hmm |
| [01:57:46] | iamlindoro: | though I guess the metadata bit could all be condensed down to one line, if you want to ignore 90% of the features ;) |
| [01:58:16] | Beirdo: | we could condense all the changes in 0.25 down to one line |
| [01:58:23] | Beirdo: | "changed a pile of stuff" |
| [01:58:25] | wagnerrp: | "JAMU has been removed" |
| [01:58:25] | Beirdo: | release. |
| [01:58:59] | iamlindoro: | Haha, I like wagnerrp's one line |
| [01:59:04] | iamlindoro: | put THAT as the release notes |
| [01:59:08] | iamlindoro: | and watch people freak out |
| [01:59:24] | Beirdo: | yeah, let's not mention the replacement :) |
| [01:59:31] | Beirdo: | that could be fun |
| [02:00:19] | iamlindoro: | exactly |
| [02:00:57] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: you know anything about the dhcpd chroot stuff? |
| [02:01:13] | Beirdo: | not particularly |
| [02:01:19] | iamlindoro: | So, btw, now that metadata is all hooked into recordings... the import of recording .mxml files would be INSANELY easy, if we want to see that in for .25 |
| [02:01:34] | Beirdo: | I know I set it up like 6 years ago on openbsd, but I've flushed it from my memory since |
| [02:01:37] | iamlindoro: | that means probably writing a Myth XML output class before then, but the import is all already there |
| [02:01:53] | wagnerrp: | just wondering if the config file is loaded before or after the chroot |
| [02:02:02] | Beirdo: | IIRC, after |
| [02:02:20] | wagnerrp: | oof... so no includes of other files then |
| [02:02:33] | Beirdo: | but that may have been BIND9 that did that in its chroot |
| [02:02:39] | Beirdo: | it's all a bit hazy |
| [02:03:17] | Beirdo: | OK that commercial was a bit... disturbing |
| [02:03:44] | Beirdo: | a TUMS commercial where the guy's corn dog was slapping him about the face |
| [02:04:02] | Beirdo: | looked a bit... too much like... nasty porn |
| [02:04:08] | Beirdo: | until you realize what it is |
| [02:04:21] | wagnerrp: | food porn? |
| [02:04:42] | Beirdo: | corn dogs are rather... phallic. |
| [02:04:47] | ** wagnerrp prefers disaster porn ** | |
| [02:04:59] | wagnerrp: | doo... do do do do do.... do do do do do... |
| [02:05:20] | wagnerrp: | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZW2qxFkcLM0 |
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| [02:08:09] | Beirdo: | heh |
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| [02:09:53] | wagnerrp: | man, thats just the perfect music for that short |
| [02:09:59] | wagnerrp: | i dont think you could find anything better suited |
| [02:10:00] | iamlindoro: | ugh, I filled my DB drive |
| [02:10:07] | wagnerrp: | except... maybe benny hill |
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| [02:17:18] | iamlindoro: | Per Doug Vaughan recent AviDemux 2.6 branch now perfectly lossless cuts HD-PVR content |
| [02:17:47] | wagnerrp: | avidemux is open source, right? |
| [02:17:57] | DeviceZer0: | oh wow really iamlindoro?!!! |
| [02:18:07] | iamlindoro: | yes, and yes |
| [02:18:08] | wagnerrp: | sourceforge... yet |
| [02:18:08] | DeviceZer0: | if so..thats awesome! |
| [02:18:11] | wagnerrp: | yep |
| [02:18:36] | iamlindoro: | requires a build from their SVN, but that's what I hear, anyway |
| [02:18:48] | DeviceZer0: | on fedora 15...it was just updated to...2.5.5 iirc...and it does not handle hdpvr recordings well |
| [02:18:59] | DeviceZer0: | yea. thats excelent news though |
| [02:19:22] | DeviceZer0: | iirc their svn is kinda weird...i built it awhile back and i remember some weird quirks |
| [02:19:57] | wagnerrp: | presumably hes not talking about this... http://www.avidemux.org/admWiki/doku.php?id=t . . . ut_ts_sample |
| [02:20:39] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: He seemed to be talking about the UI to set cutpoints, and cut and mux the result into mkv |
| [02:20:45] | iamlindoro: | no, probably not |
| [02:24:22] | iamlindoro: | Kevin's question on the list was funny, I can't even imagine wanting to try to implement the TVDB and TMDB APIs in C++ |
| [02:24:48] | wagnerrp: | our list? |
| [02:25:00] | iamlindoro: | not to mention losing the modularity of our current system (and yes, I know, you could technically write an external C++ grabber) |
| [02:25:08] | iamlindoro: | just plain -dev I think |
| [02:25:10] | iamlindoro: | earlier today |
| [02:25:30] | wagnerrp: | oh, the python one |
| [02:25:57] | iamlindoro: | yeah... like getting Python 2.6 is THAT high a hurdle |
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| [02:39:11] | iamlindoro: | hmm, do I test this, or let the buildbot do that for me... |
| [02:39:23] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [02:39:37] | DeviceZer0: | just found this too: http://www.avidemux.org/smf/index.php?topic=9350.0 |
| [02:39:46] | wagnerrp: | buildbot is fine, but you know the rules |
| [02:39:49] | DeviceZer0: | seems it may have been partially implemented a month ago |
| [02:40:04] | DeviceZer0: | oh well. im off for the night. |
| [02:40:32] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: Two men enter, one man leaves? |
| [02:40:48] | wagnerrp: | sure, well go with that one |
| [02:41:07] | wagnerrp: | i was going to say "fixed before the ppc bot, or..." |
| [02:41:13] | iamlindoro: | So here's a theoretical question |
| [02:41:13] | wagnerrp: | but i couldnt think of a suitable punishment |
| [02:41:29] | iamlindoro: | I'm not comfortable with adding a lookup based on TMS ID |
| [02:41:43] | Beirdo: | suitable punishment? mocking by your peers? :) |
| [02:41:47] | Beirdo: | it seems to work |
| [02:42:00] | iamlindoro: | but how about me just doing a comparison with what's sent back, only as a quick way of paring down a multiselection list? |
| [02:42:22] | iamlindoro: | ie, I'm not sending the TMSid, I'm just getting back some text... if I compare what I got with what I didn't ask for, are we cool with that? |
| [02:42:49] | Beirdo: | that sounds reasonable |
| [02:42:50] | iamlindoro: | ie, we ask for "The office," and get back a list of ten names, which includes one with a SeriesID, which matches the one I just queries |
| [02:42:56] | wagnerrp: | actually |
| [02:43:04] | wagnerrp: | in the old code before those fixes you had me make |
| [02:43:18] | wagnerrp: | you could have search for -N <inetref> <tmsid> and it would have worked |
| [02:43:22] | iamlindoro: | heh |
| [02:43:25] | iamlindoro: | well, let's not do that |
| [02:43:34] | iamlindoro: | as I think sending out the data is probably a no no |
| [02:43:45] | iamlindoro: | but having not shared it at all, and getting it back passively seems reasonable |
| [02:43:52] | wagnerrp: | since it just ran down the list of all available datapoints, until it found one that matched |
| [02:50:22] | iamlindoro: | yay, survived the 64 bit buildbot |
| [02:50:35] | iamlindoro: | well, for core anyway |
| [02:51:06] | Beirdo: | yeah, I think the k is for konstant |
| [02:51:32] | Beirdo: | although in many places if it IS a constant, why aren't we using #define for it, I wonder? |
| [02:52:08] | Beirdo: | if it ain't gonna change, why does it need a variable? |
| [02:52:14] | Beirdo: | but whatever :) |
| [02:52:49] | wagnerrp: | same reason we have enums? |
| [02:53:15] | iamlindoro: | Keeps good order to define them in enums, though, if only for readability |
| [02:53:57] | Beirdo: | yeah, there's something to be said for doing it both ways, I guess |
| [02:54:03] | Beirdo: | so we do it both ways :) |
| [02:54:49] | iamlindoro: | technically, I'm just now looking at our coding style wiki, which says enums should be all caps with underscores |
| [02:54:54] | ** wagnerrp wonders where [R] is on that one ** | |
| [02:54:58] | iamlindoro: | except if I did it that way I would be the exception, not the rule |
| [02:55:09] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [02:55:20] | iamlindoro: | look at all of the libmyth and libmythtv code, it's all k-prefix-camelcase-in-enums |
| [02:55:22] | [R]: | Beirdo: that's what she said |
| [02:55:25] | Beirdo: | well, normally, all caps is usually associated with #define |
| [02:55:47] | iamlindoro: | anyway, even if what I just did doesn't follow that wiki page, it definitely follows the rest of the code |
| [02:55:54] | Beirdo: | true |
| [02:55:58] | iamlindoro: | eg, the de facto standard rather than the de jure one |
| [02:56:48] | Beirdo: | my brain hurts.. I was just about to do something, and in the 2s between deleting the show that just finished and coming back here... I forget what it was |
| [02:56:55] | Beirdo: | oh yeah |
| [02:57:08] | Beirdo: | I was going to dump seek table, rebuild, dump seek table |
| [02:57:18] | iamlindoro: | I wonder if the metadata stuff will ever be used for music |
| [02:57:18] | Beirdo: | on one of the shows with borked preview |
| [02:57:37] | Beirdo: | oooh, that would be nice. |
| [02:57:43] | Beirdo: | using musicbrainz? |
| [02:57:44] | iamlindoro: | it's all built in there, ready to be used, just needs a grabber script and ~50 lines of code |
| [02:58:04] | iamlindoro: | You could write a script for whatever you want, I wrote all the music parts and reserved enum values for music grabbers, music lookup, etc. |
| [02:58:15] | Beirdo: | sweet |
| [02:58:26] | iamlindoro: | I have pushed it a couple of times with paul, with no response... I get the sense he doesn't intend to use it |
| [02:58:35] | iamlindoro: | which would be disappointing, it's all sitting there ready to use |
| [02:58:51] | iamlindoro: | not to mention the time wasted on making the spec and code work for music metadata too |
| [02:59:59] | wagnerrp: | !!! |
| [03:00:32] | wagnerrp: | spent 10 minutes trying to figure out why my laptop wasnt playing things streamed from mythweb |
| [03:00:44] | wagnerrp: | i figure maybe i screwed up audio during a kernel update |
| [03:00:56] | wagnerrp: | or maybe the players i was using couldnt handle http auth |
| [03:00:59] | wagnerrp: | no... alsa was muted |
| [03:01:18] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [03:01:20] | Beirdo: | oops |
| [03:05:02] | iamlindoro: | so this solves the Castle and The Office problem nicely without needing any interaction |
| [03:05:10] | iamlindoro: | assuming it's kosher |
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| [03:29:11] | iamlindoro: | Heh, the new Office fanart is awesome |
| [03:29:12] | iamlindoro: | http://www.thetvdb.com/banners/fanart/original/73244-3.jpg |
| [03:30:04] | Beirdo: | that is pretty cool |
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| [03:39:17] | wagnerrp: | 403 Forbidden? |
| [03:39:48] | wagnerrp: | wait... what is that from? ive seen that before |
| [03:40:11] | iamlindoro: | Grand Jatte |
| [03:40:26] | iamlindoro: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Sunday_Afterno . . . Grande_Jatte |
| [03:43:04] | wagnerrp: | i was actually thinking of another series that used something similar in promo art |
| [03:45:19] | k-man: | typically would mythfilldatabase call tv_grab_XX with no command line parameters? |
| [03:49:38] | iamlindoro: | Why do people post to the users list about news from today, and put in a link from two years ago? |
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| [04:00:22] | wagnerrp: | ugh... i just remembered, i hate pre-orders |
| [04:00:50] | wagnerrp: | i bought a game, but i cant play it... |
| [04:05:38] | Beirdo: | hehe, sucky |
| [04:29:44] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: looking through the commflagger, seems i actually did remove a bunch of globals |
| [04:29:51] | wagnerrp: | but just forgot to delete the definitions |
| [04:30:30] | Beirdo: | oooh |
| [04:30:31] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [04:31:02] | Beirdo: | removed teh use, but not def... well, cool, bye bye unused globals :) |
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| [04:38:25] | Beirdo: | OK, I have previews behaving again |
| [04:38:44] | Beirdo: | there are three little issues, and a 4th that I didn't touch |
| [04:38:53] | Beirdo: | working backwards... |
| [04:39:27] | Beirdo: | the one I didn't touch... it says it's off the end of the map when there's one more markup IN the map, which isn't quite right |
| [04:39:36] | Beirdo: | now, for the ones I did... |
| [04:40:23] | Beirdo: | in that case, we linearly search for the frame, which is horribly slow. To massively speed it up, I have it fastforward to the last known spot in the map, and THEN linearly search |
| [04:41:00] | Beirdo: | if you were searching from frame 0, it was actually linearly searching and decoding and tossing every frame in the file, hence the timeouts |
| [04:41:10] | Beirdo: | with that, the previews no longer timed out |
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| [04:41:30] | Beirdo: | stepped up a level, and found out why we were even going to the end of the file |
| [04:41:54] | Beirdo: | we had a uint64_t number = frame – 1; |
| [04:42:02] | Beirdo: | and we called it with frame = 0. |
| [04:42:17] | Beirdo: | so it went to MAX_UINT64. |
| [04:42:35] | Beirdo: | changed that to say number = frame ? frame – 1 : 0; |
| [04:42:55] | Beirdo: | now, why were we trying to go to frame 0, not partway into the file? |
| [04:43:31] | Beirdo: | changed some logic from < 0 to <= 0 in the previewgenerator, and voila, it's going 1/3 into the file again |
| [04:44:15] | Beirdo: | now... my only remaining concern on that stack o' fun... how will it act with an in-recording case |
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| [04:44:53] | Beirdo: | I'm pretty sure we re-previewgen at end of recording though |
| [04:45:33] | wagnerrp: | wow, its quite disturbing when you see the person that voices a cartoon |
| [04:45:52] | Beirdo: | especially for the Cleveland show |
| [04:46:03] | Beirdo: | the guy who voices Cleveland Brown... is white |
| [04:46:17] | wagnerrp: | im pretty sure i just saw Sterling Archer |
| [04:48:12] | wagnerrp: | yes, that is him |
| [04:49:57] | wagnerrp: | he was on UCB... yeah, i could see that |
| [04:52:42] | wagnerrp: | i never got into UCB |
| [04:52:56] | wagnerrp: | too... strange... for me |
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| [04:56:51] | [R]: | wagnerrp: thats a great show |
| [04:56:54] | [R]: | (archer) |
| [04:57:42] | Beirdo: | YAY for fixed previews |
| [04:57:59] | wagnerrp: | ah, i thought you were talking UCB |
| [04:58:28] | wagnerrp: | archer, yes... ucb, not so much |
| [04:58:54] | wagnerrp: | it was certainly no kids in the hall, not even a trigger happy |
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| [05:04:54] | Beirdo: | wonder if some of my shows ALSO need a --rebuild |
| [05:06:21] | Beirdo: | I deleted all of my preview on the backend and the frontend cache to force them all to be recreated |
| [05:07:02] | wagnerrp: | now we can run it in the jobqueue |
| [05:07:10] | Beirdo: | seen a couple that are black or B frames |
| [05:07:28] | Beirdo: | but I used to have 1/3 of them that way (and failed) |
| [05:07:45] | Beirdo: | so I'll go back to the ones that are still wonky and see if I can find why |
| [05:08:01] | Beirdo: | the B-frame looking ones could just be a bad seektable |
| [05:08:34] | Beirdo: | as for totally black.. bad seektable, or maybe the frame 1/3 into the show was black |
| [05:08:48] | Beirdo: | I thought we had code to check that, but I didn't see it |
| [05:09:13] | Beirdo: | I think it checks if it's in a flagged commercial though maybe |
| [05:09:26] | Beirdo: | maybe that's what I was thinking |
| [05:10:19] | Beirdo: | and of course, I could have some bad recordings for all I know |
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| [05:29:48] | wagnerrp: | wow... native 64-bit flash for linux |
| [05:30:23] | wagnerrp: | now you can have their garbage without needing a multilib installation! |
| [05:30:36] | Beirdo: | officially now? |
| [05:30:49] | Beirdo: | I grabbed the beta at work a while back, then they deleted it |
| [05:32:35] | wagnerrp: | flash 11 does official 64-bit linux |
| [05:32:40] | [R]: | wagnerrp: theyve had 64gbit flash for a while |
| [05:32:43] | [R]: | it was just "beta" |
| [05:32:51] | wagnerrp: | yes, and then they deleted it |
| [05:34:16] | iamlindoro: | They've canceled it at least twice, haven't they? |
| [05:34:25] | iamlindoro: | Adobe is like an abusive spouse |
| [05:34:34] | iamlindoro: | they beat you up, but you hope you can reform them |
| [05:34:50] | [R]: | lol |
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| [06:11:03] | k-man: | anyone know of a site that does some kind of tracking of TV prices? |
| [06:11:12] | k-man: | like for historical price trends |
| [06:39:42] | wagnerrp: | lets see if i can reorganize mythtranscode |
| [06:40:07] | wagnerrp: | im not even going to try to screw with mythfilldatabase |
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| [06:47:28] | k-man: | the wiki popular page numbers are interesting |
| [06:47:36] | k-man: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Special:PopularPages |
| [06:48:26] | justinh: | whoah. xvmc is ranked pretty high there |
| [06:49:04] | k-man: | yeah |
| [06:49:56] | k-man: | MCE remote is also high up there |
| [06:50:40] | k-man: | check out Release Notes 0.20 and 0.21 – very high up considering their age |
| [06:53:26] | k-man: | is there a page that documents the history of mythtv? in terms of who started the project? major contributors etc? |
| [06:55:01] | wagnerrp: | only goes back five years... http://www.ohloh.net/p/mythtv/contributors |
| [06:55:28] | k-man: | wagnerrp, cool |
| [06:56:20] | k-man: | was it danielk tho started mythtv? |
| [06:56:27] | wagnerrp: | isaac |
| [06:57:07] | k-man: | does he still work on it? |
| [06:57:31] | wagnerrp: | hes still around, but he hasnt committed anything in two years or so |
| [06:58:10] | wagnerrp: | chutt in the other channel |
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| [07:00:38] | k-man: | ah ok |
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| [07:05:06] | justinh: | wonder how long it's been since I made a commit. not that I could now, it's all git-ish & I don't know the 1st thing about it |
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| [07:05:33] | k-man: | justinh, git is cool imho |
| [07:05:40] | k-man: | not that I'm an expert or anything |
| [07:06:07] | k-man: | but git and github make contributing to projects so easy it's rediculous |
| [07:07:25] | dekarl: | Beirdo, wrt #9921 just dump Date::Manip and use DateTime :D |
| [07:07:25] | dekarl: | Date::Manip keeps giving me issues over in XMLTV land (oh, we only work correctly when you set this=that, but only on version n+1 til n+4) |
| [07:07:56] | dekarl: | kormoc: MediaGlue is a database like musicbrainz for tv with references to all the other ids? |
| [07:08:11] | justinh: | k-man: svn was never hard. I can't see what the fuss is about |
| [07:08:39] | Beirdo: | dekarl: nah, I'll just leave it as is :) |
| [07:09:13] | justinh: | what makes it hard to contribute to some projects is the perceived bar to entry. With mythtv that's the ability to code – and sadly still not enough people are brave enough to even *try* |
| [07:09:47] | Beirdo: | next time I change it, it will likely get completely changed |
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| [07:14:44] | wagnerrp: | wow |
| [07:14:56] | wagnerrp: | that was the most useless statement ive ever heard |
| [07:15:52] | k-man: | justinh, well, I have not contributed to many projects in the past, but since I have started using github and git, it has made contributing much easier for me |
| [07:17:24] | k-man: | the thing with contributing to mythtv is one also needs to have a test environment seperate from ones production machine to work on – which is a barrier I would imagine for some |
| [07:18:01] | justinh: | k-man: nah the bar to entry is still the ability to code. svn wasn't hard to use at all. Besides it's kinda moot in this project because nobody even gets commit access until they've 'proved' themselves |
| [07:18:33] | wagnerrp: | k-man: ive never really used a test environment |
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| [07:19:42] | k-man: | justinh, well – that's where the git pull-request comes in. if you want to contribute to a project on github, you make your own fork of the code – hack away – then commit your local changes – then to submit to the original projct, you just do a pull-request. then the original author can view and merge your code at his/her lesure |
| [07:20:00] | k-man: | wagnerrp, and you never break things? |
| [07:20:43] | wagnerrp: | i havent touched anything of serious consequence as of yet |
| [07:21:19] | wagnerrp: | ive been doing all auxiliary stuff |
| [07:21:36] | k-man: | ah |
| [07:21:37] | k-man: | I see |
| [07:21:45] | wagnerrp: | i started with the python bindings, which doesnt hurt anything if it breaks |
| [07:22:30] | wagnerrp: | ive been messing with various jobs, which if they dont run, you lose some auxiliary functions |
| [07:22:55] | wagnerrp: | i rewrote the mythsystem class, which could have cause serious problems |
| [07:23:17] | wagnerrp: | but beirdo adopted it halfway though, and did all the bug testing, and rewrote half of it |
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| [07:23:49] | justinh: | k-man: but AFAIK this project doesn't use that. Maybe there's a plan to. That sounds more complicated than making your own improvements & opening a ticket. I don't think a pull request will necessarily be looked at any faster than a ticket |
| [07:23:58] | dekarl: | k-man: the barrier of entry is mostly the step from consuming to participating... it's not so hard to fix some weather grabber script, suggest typo fixes for translations or suggest three liner eit fixups without testing them (well, might be hard to test finnish fixups from germany and vice versa) |
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| [07:26:02] | justinh: | I doubt this project's old reputation helped lower the bar any – and how it got that reputation I'll never really know (probably people assuming that everybody who chucked their $0.02 in on the -dev mailing list were actual developers) |
| [07:26:04] | dekarl: | and then you need to bug the devs to accept your typo fixes... but you get that in multi-million-dollar projects, too :D |
| [07:26:05] | k-man: | justinh, sorry, I wasn't trying to say one should use the pull-request concept specificaly in mythtv. I was just saying in general the way it works in github makes it easy. |
| [07:26:50] | justinh: | sounds the same as making your own changes locally & contributing patches. not easier, just a more direct method |
| [07:26:56] | wagnerrp: | most devs still havent really embraced github |
| [07:27:19] | Beirdo: | github will still be around, but yeah, it has its limitations |
| [07:27:25] | wagnerrp: | and while git seems to be here to stay |
| [07:27:47] | wagnerrp: | theres a distinct possibility of moving hosting back to our own server |
| [07:28:20] | Beirdo: | yup, but the plan would be to still push to github, but it won't be our real central repo at that point |
| [07:28:39] | Beirdo: | we do have some that use the pull requests |
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| [07:29:13] | wagnerrp: | yeah, but i think they get largely ignored, since we dont know what to do with them |
| [07:29:15] | Beirdo: | but yeah, it missing the notifications sometimes... highly annoying |
| [07:29:32] | wagnerrp: | youre basically the only one fulfilling them |
| [07:29:40] | Beirdo: | that's a bogus argument :) If you open one, it tells you exactly how to do it |
| [07:29:53] | Beirdo: | that's true though |
| [07:30:06] | wagnerrp: | its that barrier to entry |
| [07:30:08] | k-man: | justinh, well – yes, that's true. it just streamlines the process. that's my take on it. |
| [07:30:18] | wagnerrp: | you expect it to be hard, so you dont even bother looking into it |
| [07:30:23] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [07:30:26] | wagnerrp: | so you never learn, so you continue to think it will be hard |
| [07:30:34] | Beirdo: | it actually is quite simple |
| [07:30:49] | Beirdo: | in some cases as simple as clicking a button to merge |
| [07:30:53] | justinh: | I think the barrier is still an ability to code/translate/type ;) |
| [07:31:01] | justinh: | it's not the version control :) |
| [07:31:20] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [07:31:31] | Beirdo: | or to work with one who can |
| [07:31:32] | justinh: | once we can turn ideas into code at the click of a mouse – then we're cooking! |
| [07:32:04] | k-man: | justinh, have you ever tried contributing to a project using git/github? |
| [07:32:32] | justinh: | nope. to be honest the thought of that puts me off |
| [07:32:40] | k-man: | hehe |
| [07:32:41] | justinh: | more stuff to learn :-\ |
| [07:33:48] | justinh: | & AFAICT the volume of data doing a git clone is massive compared to checking out via subversion. I did a git clone of mythtv a while back & it took ages |
| [07:33:49] | dekarl: | k-man, btw, I didn't hear back wrt shepherd, are the devs fixing it? |
| [07:33:59] | k-man: | why are you planning to move the hosting back to your own servers? |
| [07:34:16] | Beirdo: | actually, justinh, it's smaller |
| [07:34:19] | justinh: | that, and when you've done the clone you've then got to do a pull.. sheesh |
| [07:34:27] | justinh: | Beirdo: it feels like much more |
| [07:34:37] | Beirdo: | it may feel like more, but it's not |
| [07:34:51] | k-man: | dekarl, well, I think they were glad I told them about the changes coming up and I think they are considering changing it so its default behaviour does what --daily used to do |
| [07:34:53] | Beirdo: | k-man: better control over the hooks |
| [07:34:55] | justinh: | maybe it was just way slower then |
| [07:34:57] | Beirdo: | for starters |
| [07:35:10] | k-man: | so it would no longer need any command line params from mythfilldatabase |
| [07:35:25] | Beirdo: | the initial clone is the only part of git that could possibly be construed as slower than svn |
| [07:35:36] | dekarl: | k-man: sounds good |
| [07:35:59] | Beirdo: | after that, git will cut significant amounts of time off most people's workflow |
| [07:36:13] | k-man: | dekarl, yeah. good that I noticed the change early and we should nave no breakage when .25 gets released |
| [07:36:21] | Beirdo: | and.. you can use it completely offline, and push when you're done, and have full history |
| [07:36:26] | k-man: | Beirdo, I have to agree |
| [07:36:38] | Beirdo: | like on a plane :) |
| [07:36:56] | justinh: | maybe if it was called something else I'd feel better about it all. Git is a nasty word |
| [07:36:58] | Beirdo: | granted, there is a learning curve |
| [07:37:06] | Beirdo: | heh, yeah well |
| [07:37:15] | dekarl: | k-man: the "hourly cronjob needed" sounds broken to me for a client installation... everything else comes from there |
| [07:37:20] | k-man: | there is a learning curve – I came at git from CVS, I never really used svn much |
| [07:37:34] | Beirdo: | you'd be surprised by the number of people muttering "stupid git!" while they're learning |
| [07:37:38] | k-man: | dekarl, what do you mean? |
| [07:37:39] | Beirdo: | you'd think you were in the UK |
| [07:38:04] | k-man: | dekarl, are you saying that hourly running implies it is badly designed? |
| [07:38:31] | k-man: | I still catch myself typing git update sometimes |
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| [07:39:19] | Beirdo: | the speed of branching and merging is where it REALLY shines though |
| [07:39:28] | Beirdo: | and switching branches |
| [07:39:28] | k-man: | Beirdo, yeah |
| [07:39:46] | dekarl: | k-man: considering that it seems to only be doing something about once a day, yes. sounds like a "so you can turn off the pc and still get guide data regularly" workaround. But that can be handled by the backend |
| [07:39:49] | k-man: | once you get the idea of switching branches, its really awesome to use |
| [07:39:57] | Beirdo: | yup |
| [07:40:00] | Beirdo: | anyways. |
| [07:40:22] | justinh: | that's kind of like saying "once you get what object oriented code is all about, it's really easy" ;-) |
| [07:40:28] | k-man: | dekarl, sorry, I forget, did we discuss it on here? or have you read some of the mailing list about it? |
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| [07:41:15] | k-man: | I believe there are other reasons they chose that approach. one of them was to ensure there was no massive spike on the web sites that are scraped |
| [07:41:20] | dekarl: | k-man, what mailing list? There is no web readable archive for shepherd if I didn't get everything wrong and I found nothing on mythtv or xmltv lists |
| [07:42:18] | dekarl: | that can be handled with a "run it at a random time between midnight and 6 a.m." or similar |
| [07:43:37] | k-man: | dekarl, I am not a dev of the project (just in case you were not sure) |
| [07:44:00] | justinh: | but running an *hourly* EPG scraper.. zoiks |
| [07:44:02] | k-man: | I'm sure they would be happy to discuss the reasons why if you want to discuss it |
| [07:44:03] | dekarl: | I know, but you seem to be the only one who cares. |
| [07:44:23] | k-man: | justinh, actually the scraper takes care of not really scraping each our- it caches all the data afaik |
| [07:44:31] | k-man: | and only re-scrapes when needed |
| [07:44:40] | justinh: | even so.. |
| [07:45:00] | k-man: | ok – I'm not going to defend it as I didn't even write the code or anyting |
| [07:45:06] | justinh: | just sounds horrendous |
| [07:45:16] | k-man: | but the code works very solidly four OUR environment which is different to the US environment |
| [07:45:22] | justinh: | sounds almost like a convincer that it'd be worth paying for good data |
| [07:45:28] | k-man: | http://groups.google.com/group/shepherd-list?hl=en |
| [07:45:32] | wagnerrp: | if the scraper cached the information locally, and only updated the cache as needed |
| [07:45:42] | justinh: | get a posse together & see if you can't pester SD to help ;) |
| [07:45:54] | k-man: | SD? |
| [07:45:59] | justinh: | schedules direct |
| [07:46:00] | wagnerrp: | there wouldnt be any need to give it special arguments for multiple different types of updates |
| [07:46:27] | wagnerrp: | SD is the organization mythtv, xmltv, and some other smaller projects set up to license data from tribune |
| [07:46:28] | k-man: | no, I like the way it works now – I see no reason to suggest they change their design |
| [07:46:46] | k-man: | we have a similar thing here called IceTV |
| [07:46:51] | justinh: | scraping sites though... it's so last century :) |
| [07:46:58] | k-man: | http://www.icetv.com.au/ |
| [07:46:58] | dekarl: | the design is nice... have multiple web scrapers so a change to the html code does not break everything... :) |
| [07:47:25] | k-man: | dekarl, yeah I agree – the guys who wrote it did a good job imho |
| [07:47:36] | justinh: | we have digiguide here.. but they don't allow export of any data. for pity's sakes, what *use* is an EPG program that only shows you data? |
| [07:48:18] | dekarl: | technically, yes good job. But defending against the websites changing the layout to not be scraped... (quoting from some shepherd site) oh well |
| [07:48:23] | k-man: | I think there is a difference in culture between the US and AU I think in AU we consider it our god given right to have free access to schedules – even if the providers of those schedules disagree, whereas in the US I think you guys are OK with paying for schedules. that is just my observation |
| [07:48:57] | k-man: | justinh, are you refering to icetv? |
| [07:49:03] | justinh: | k-man: no, digiguide |
| [07:49:10] | k-man: | oh sorry, misread what you typed |
| [07:49:36] | justinh: | digiguide data is really, really good. such a shame they don't allow using it in anything else |
| [07:50:24] | justinh: | k-man: you think the US users were 'ok' about paying? LOL. Did you ever hear the whining? OMG |
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| [07:50:58] | justinh: | everywhere on the internet people think they've a god given right to information for free, even the information which costs a lot of money to collate |
| [07:51:02] | k-man: | dekarl, this message explainse somewhat their reasoning for the hourly cron: http://groups.google.com/group/shepherd-list/ . . . 1bc526?hl=en |
| [07:51:12] | dekarl: | k-man, gotta leave. I'm happy to lend a hand wrt extending the interface contract to allow for spreading the load across a time span or similar. |
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| [07:51:46] | dekarl: | it says "you must sign up to google and be a member of this group to read" sorry, not today |
| [07:52:01] | k-man: | dekarl, oh |
| [07:52:11] | justinh: | could be worse. Could be Yahoo :P |
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| [07:52:12] | k-man: | I can forward the email to you if you like |
| [07:52:19] | dekarl: | justinh: lol |
| [07:52:44] | k-man: | anyway, I have to go |
| [07:52:46] | k-man: | night all |
| [07:52:57] | justinh: | night |
| [07:52:59] | dekarl: | night |
| [07:53:02] | Beirdo: | bedtime for me |
| [07:53:07] | justinh: | and I have a DVD transcode to check... |
| [07:53:08] | Beirdo: | 1am, nearly |
| [07:53:40] | Beirdo: | and I feel a sense of accomplishment having fixed the previews :) |
| [07:53:43] | k-man: | justinh, last point for tonight: it does suprise me that the US users never wrote scrapers similar to shepherd. night all |
| [07:55:54] | justinh: | they did, before zap2it came along |
| [07:56:14] | justinh: | like we had in the UK before RadioTimes got on board |
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| [11:30:08] | bmartin_: | hello ... I wondered if a product exists that means I can run a network cable from my router to my TV (via DVI) .. that means I can use MythTV in my living room without having to have another frontend computer (the myth server is upstairs) |
| [11:32:22] | justinh: | networked playback devices abound – even some TVs these days can do it, but they all have limitations one way or another. the biggest they all seem to share is the lack of commercial skipping, trick playback features & the ability to set schedules up etc |
| [11:33:55] | wagnerrp: | actually, this sounds like he wants to run network across an existing DVI cable, which makes no sense |
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| [11:34:23] | wagnerrp: | unless thats a mistype, and means DVI signals over networking (cat6) cables |
| [11:34:31] | wagnerrp: | as a cheap range extender |
| [11:35:16] | bmartin_: | I only mentioned DVI as that is only input on my TV |
| [11:35:44] | wagnerrp: | are you trying to drive an additional TV off the same existing server? |
| [11:35:59] | wagnerrp: | or were you talking about cheap hardware players like justinh mentioned |
| [11:36:48] | bmartin_: | I think I am talking about network playback device... can you rcommend one? |
| [11:37:17] | justinh: | from the things I've read I'd say they're nowhere near ready yet |
| [11:37:29] | wagnerrp: | i dont use any personally |
| [11:37:35] | wagnerrp: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/UPnP_Client_Info |
| [11:37:42] | justinh: | limited format support, horrible UIs.. they've not got much going for them by all accounts |
| [11:38:11] | wagnerrp: | are you trying to avoid a PC because of size issues? cost? what? |
| [11:38:32] | justinh: | you could extend audio/video/remote connections to another room far more cheaply if you don't mind not having independent displays |
| [11:38:57] | wagnerrp: | well, running multiple mythfrontend instances on a single machine is a total mess |
| [11:39:10] | wagnerrp: | doable, certainly |
| [11:39:16] | wagnerrp: | but not for the faint of heart |
| [11:39:24] | bmartin_: | I guess its a mix of cost and energy use ... extending sounds like a plan, I do have a spare DVI output on the server |
| [11:39:25] | justinh: | but if you don't need them to be independent.. no big deal :) |
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| [11:39:42] | wagnerrp: | oh, yeah |
| [11:39:53] | wagnerrp: | you can just clone the display, and output the same thing to two tvs |
| [11:40:12] | wagnerrp: | energy use is a non-issue |
| [11:40:16] | justinh: | energy use isn't that big a deal really. where people get the impression a 500W PSU draws 500W all the time from I'll never guess |
| [11:40:28] | wagnerrp: | youre going to be running the thing all of a couple hours a day |
| [11:40:35] | wagnerrp: | and the rest of the time it will be turned off |
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| [11:41:10] | wagnerrp: | a 100W PC run three hours a day consumes every bit as much power as a nightlight |
| [11:41:24] | justinh: | even a box in standby will consume less power than one of these NMTs left on 24/7 |
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| [11:42:45] | bmartin_: | ok, well it would seem that a cheap frontend is the way to go then... I was thinking a cheap Acer Revo ... do you know guys know of another recommended device? |
| [11:42:59] | wagnerrp: | as for cost, you can build a full PC, with a couple GB of memory 3GHz dual core processor, and netboot it off your server for about $250 and maybe 35W idle |
| [11:43:31] | wagnerrp: | for slightly cheaper, slightly less power draw, and all the limitations of being forced into hardware decoding (but you get a nice form factor) |
| [11:43:38] | wagnerrp: | you can go with one of the ION units |
| [11:44:05] | wagnerrp: | make sure that would be ION and not Atom |
| [11:44:14] | wagnerrp: | ION being an Atom chip with nVidia graphics |
| [11:44:38] | wagnerrp: | Atoms are pieces of junk, its the nVidia graphics that makes the whole thing work |
| [11:45:17] | Twiggy2cents: | So basically even an Atom with ION still blows, it just blows at everything but video? |
| [11:45:54] | wagnerrp: | no, an Atom with ION still blows, it just blows less if you happen to have the specific type of video it can decode in hardware |
| [11:46:08] | bmartin_: | ok, thanks for the advice. That certainly gives me something to think about |
| [11:46:10] | wagnerrp: | being a hardware decoder, it is inherently limited |
| [11:46:31] | wagnerrp: | much less so than the old Via/XvMC trash of yore |
| [11:46:38] | wagnerrp: | but still something that must not be overlooked |
| [11:52:15] | justinh: | yup. do not expect the Earth from hardware video decoding. ever |
| [11:53:25] | justinh: | speaking as somebody who used xvmc (complete mpeg2 offload) for years the feeling of frustration when it suddenly can't cope with even a broadcast stream is.. intense. I'll be aiming to avoid that in future |
| [11:57:16] | justinh: | look at recent threads about people being unable to play BBC HD recordings. Heheheheh |
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| [12:43:07] | branden__: | Is a 1.8 Ghz processor enough for ntsc |
| [12:44:33] | branden__: | with a 400Mhz front side bus |
| [12:47:24] | justinh: | mahaha. I think so |
| [12:47:34] | justinh: | so long as your video hardware can do Xv |
| [12:50:20] | branden__: | It can from what I am told |
| [12:50:31] | branden__: | By the way what exactly is Xv? |
| [12:52:00] | justinh: | er.. scaling & colour space conversion on the GPU. pretty much the bare minimum requirement for video playback which goes easy on your CPU |
| [12:52:17] | justinh: | you know when you've not got it, cos even a 1.8Ghz CPU might struggle playing SDTV |
| [12:53:54] | branden__: | You mean analog? |
| [12:54:06] | branden__: | standard definition tv |
| [12:54:08] | justinh: | I mean standard definition television |
| [12:54:47] | justinh: | seen people come here with busted video drivers, 3ghz+ CPU power having trouble playing back analogue & SDTV |
| [12:55:36] | branden__: | strange, but was a intel or a amd processor? |
| [12:55:53] | justinh: | doesn't matter |
| [12:56:16] | branden__: | 3Ghz cpu should play it |
| [12:56:35] | justinh: | sure, when the colour conversion & scaling is done in the GPU not in software |
| [12:56:39] | justinh: | it can make a massive difference |
| [12:56:50] | branden__: | eh |
| [12:56:58] | branden__: | i7 would do fine I bet |
| [12:57:46] | branden__: | I will give you this |
| [12:58:00] | branden__: | video scaling is very rough on the cpu |
| [12:58:02] | justinh: | I'm just saying what I've seen here |
| [12:58:29] | justinh: | mind, when video drivers are broken maybe there are other factors at play than simply Xv being missing in action |
| [12:59:09] | justinh: | with working video drivers (and by that I generally mean not the open source ones) 1.8Ghz will be enough for standard def. |
| [13:00:02] | branden__: | I think the open source ones are under developed. |
| [13:00:41] | justinh: | generally the best chance you have is with nvidia |
| [13:00:51] | branden__: | If cash was involved with an open source project development would be really fast |
| [13:01:02] | justinh: | not necessarily |
| [13:01:13] | branden__: | I just saying |
| [13:01:23] | branden__: | I'm* |
| [13:01:30] | justinh: | anyway. with basic working video drivers you should be OK |
| [13:01:47] | branden__: | What about nouveau |
| [13:02:07] | justinh: | what about it? |
| [13:02:27] | justinh: | look, try it. if all else fails stick to the nvidia binaries |
| [13:02:39] | branden__: | I have a card that supports xv and I was wondering if that would work with it. |
| [13:02:48] | branden__: | ok |
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| [13:04:31] | branden__: | You know how mythtv with the help of the internet can know what shows are on at what time, right? |
| [13:04:45] | justinh: | not with the help of the internet |
| [13:04:55] | branden__: | ? |
| [13:04:56] | justinh: | with the help of TV guide data via an EPG data source |
| [13:05:12] | branden__: | EPG data source? |
| [13:05:21] | justinh: | electronic program guide data |
| [13:05:25] | justinh: | what's on where & when |
| [13:05:26] | branden__: | ah |
| [13:05:38] | justinh: | which depending on where in the world you live may not be free to access |
| [13:05:48] | branden__: | Like when I hit info it displays info about my show? |
| [13:06:06] | branden__: | How far does it go though? |
| [13:06:12] | justinh: | how far? |
| [13:06:15] | justinh: | what do you mean? |
| [13:06:20] | branden__: | 2 weeks into the future |
| [13:06:34] | justinh: | depends on the guide data provider |
| [13:06:38] | branden__: | ok |
| [13:06:42] | justinh: | some people only give out a week |
| [13:07:08] | justinh: | like some services only give 100 character descriptions of shows. others can give whole essays worth |
| [13:07:38] | branden__: | I am going to reboot the machine and swap some parts like radeon for nvidia and update the box with mythtv |
| [13:08:01] | justinh: | your radeon might work fine |
| [13:08:37] | branden__: | radeon pro 9200 vs a nvidia 7600GS |
| [13:09:14] | justinh: | pro. makes it more likely for men to buy it. LOL |
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| [13:09:32] | branden__: | They were both free |
| [13:09:39] | branden__: | Because they were used |
| [13:09:55] | branden__: | Someone wanted to throw it out and I kept it. |
| [13:10:45] | branden__: | along with my tv tuner card which gave me the idea to set this up. |
| [13:11:48] | branden__: | People get rid of some decent stuff |
| [13:12:06] | justinh: | wish they'd get rid of some in my direction |
| [13:12:23] | branden__: | You have to actively look |
| [13:12:42] | branden__: | Where do you live? |
| [13:12:53] | branden__: | US? |
| [13:13:20] | justinh: | nah |
| [13:13:29] | branden__: | Canada? |
| [13:13:52] | justinh: | UK |
| [13:13:55] | branden__: | ah |
| [13:14:00] | justinh: | busy 'working' |
| [13:14:51] | branden__: | If you ask around and are willing to fix peoples computers they give you the stuff they don't want when they upgrade. |
| [13:15:04] | branden__: | most of time |
| [13:15:32] | justinh: | hahaha. willing to fix people's computers. That, I am NOT |
| [13:15:53] | branden__: | Not software wise hardware wise |
| [13:15:58] | justinh: | most of the computer users I know don't buy anything I'd want handed down anyway |
| [13:16:27] | branden__: | solution |
| [13:16:42] | branden__: | consult richer neighborhoods |
| [13:16:45] | justinh: | last time my wife came to me with a repair job I just said to buy a new one. Their 2 year old had tipped water down the back of it |
| [13:17:10] | branden__: | wow |
| [13:17:11] | justinh: | it's either that or laptops. I don't generally mind too much if I get a bottle of Jack out of it |
| [13:17:22] | branden__: | lol |
| [13:17:53] | justinh: | 1L of Jack for fixing a trojan infestation. Not a bad swap |
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| [13:18:23] | branden__: | That must have been easy |
| [13:19:13] | justinh: | it isn't always easy |
| [13:19:31] | branden__: | linux livecd and clamav |
| [13:20:12] | justinh: | like I said. not always that easy |
| [13:20:16] | justinh: | anyway |
| [13:20:19] | branden__: | I know |
| [13:20:31] | justinh: | good luck with your "ACME TV TUNER CARD" |
| [13:20:32] | branden__: | I have a 15 year old computer here that still works |
| [13:20:43] | branden__: | wintv not acme |
| [13:21:08] | justinh: | wintv PVR something I hope? |
| [13:21:17] | branden__: | let me go get it |
| [13:21:51] | justinh: | basically, for best results you need it to have an mpeg encoder on board (PVR150, 250, 350, 500) ... |
| [13:22:05] | branden__: | It does |
| [13:22:16] | branden__: | It is hvr 1800 |
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| [13:24:08] | branden__: | Where I live analog was put to death by the government, and driver deficiencies prevent me from using analog so I am just fine. |
| [13:24:16] | ovrflw0x: | i have "elgato hybrid tv tuner usb" — i am not able to scan DVB-C digital cable tv channels , is there any software for windows available to scan? |
| [13:24:47] | justinh: | ovrflw0x: depends on your cable provider & whether or not they adhere to the DVB spec |
| [13:24:48] | branden__: | I am not even sure this software is available for windows. |
| [13:25:15] | ovrflw0x: | justinh: can you name any software that can scan the digital cable wire? |
| [13:25:19] | justinh: | most cable companies seem to play by their own rules. their set top boxes play just fine & they don't care |
| [13:25:34] | justinh: | ovrflw0x: as I said, it depends on what the cable company are doing |
| [13:25:39] | ovrflw0x: | justinh: mine is without any sort of encryption |
| [13:26:08] | justinh: | that doesn't mean to say the tables which describe the contents of the streams are standard |
| [13:26:14] | justinh: | that's what you're looking at |
| [13:26:39] | ovrflw0x: | justinh: so i should throw this tv tuner in garbage? |
| [13:26:49] | justinh: | some european providers do wacky stuff. others are pretty ok. where are you? |
| [13:26:59] | ovrflw0x: | justinh: inida |
| [13:27:01] | ovrflw0x: | india* |
| [13:27:05] | branden__: | lol |
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| [13:27:15] | justinh: | heh |
| [13:27:23] | justinh: | maybe put it on ebay |
| [13:27:34] | branden__: | lol |
| [13:27:49] | justinh: | cable providers seem to do whatever works for them. if they tend to provide their own set top box they just do whatever they want |
| [13:27:56] | branden__: | I find this amusing. |
| [13:28:05] | justinh: | like, it's easy for them to put workarounds in |
| [13:28:27] | ** branden__ but that would be to easy ** | |
| [13:28:34] | ovrflw0x: | justinh: can you suggest any software which scans for DVB-C digital channels before putting it for sale? |
| [13:28:39] | justinh: | and it stops people with cable putting other hardware on the wire & getting stuff for free – at least without reverse engineering all the crap they need to work through |
| [13:28:55] | justinh: | no idea for windows stuff |
| [13:29:03] | justinh: | dvb-utils for linux |
| [13:29:06] | ovrflw0x: | justinh: how about for linux? |
| [13:29:20] | ovrflw0x: | justinh: i don't have driver for linux |
| [13:29:20] | ** branden__ wonders if this is even available for windows. ** | |
| [13:29:21] | justinh: | that utility for scanning.. oh what's it called.. begins with the letter S |
| [13:29:33] | justinh: | oh yes that's it. SCAN |
| [13:29:52] | justinh: | ovrflw0x: you ain't gonna be able to do JACK without drivers, man |
| [13:30:05] | branden__: | yeah |
| [13:30:10] | ovrflw0x: | justinh: i have elgato hybrid tv tuner |
| [13:30:16] | justinh: | no working drivers, no worky. AT ALL |
| [13:30:24] | branden__: | I will get google to work for you. |
| [13:30:31] | justinh: | drivers are how the OS talks to the hardware |
| [13:30:43] | justinh: | OS/kernel/whatever |
| [13:30:47] | branden__: | It has to know how to. |
| [13:30:52] | ovrflw0x: | justinh: i used progdvb but its not able to scan |
| [13:31:03] | ovrflw0x: | is there any opensource stuff available? |
| [13:31:06] | justinh: | ovrflw0x: with no working drivers, of course it's not able to scan |
| [13:31:26] | ovrflw0x: | justinh: i have elgato hybrid tv tuner on windows driver |
| [13:31:31] | ovrflw0x: | sheesh |
| [13:31:40] | ovrflw0x: | i have the driver it's for windows |
| [13:31:58] | justinh: | see http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/DVB-C_USB_Devices |
| [13:32:20] | branden__: | What model is that card? |
| [13:32:43] | ovrflw0x: | elgato hybrid tv tuner branden__ |
| [13:33:35] | branden__: | I only see mac drivers for that thing |
| [13:33:56] | justinh: | EyeTV hybrid ? |
| [13:34:00] | ovrflw0x: | yes |
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| [13:34:54] | justinh: | linuxtv wiki says "Not confirmed to be supported " |
| [13:34:57] | justinh: | next! |
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| [13:35:37] | justinh: | or if it's this one http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Elgato_EyeTV_Hybrid_US it could work |
| [13:36:02] | branden__: | This might help |
| [13:36:03] | branden__: | http://forums.macrumors.com/archive/index.php/t-641155.html |
| [13:37:22] | justinh: | oh boy. registry hacks. |
| [13:39:45] | ovrflw0x: | branden__: my hybrid tuner works with analog channels but dvb-c digital channels are not getting detected! |
| [13:39:49] | ovrflw0x: | on windows that is |
| [13:40:18] | branden__: | What other operating systems do you have? |
| [13:40:48] | ovrflw0x: | W7 |
| [13:40:56] | branden__: | and? |
| [13:41:48] | ovrflw0x: | linux |
| [13:42:14] | branden__: | So it works on linux? |
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| [13:42:24] | ovrflw0x: | but my preferene is w7 i just want to scan for dvb-c digital channels |
| [13:42:29] | ovrflw0x: | preference* |
| [13:43:34] | branden__: | Well if that is the case then you have a choice functionality or preference. |
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| [13:46:50] | ovrflw0x: | did anyone say anything? |
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| [13:47:09] | ovrflw0x: | huh? |
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| [13:47:22] | branden__: | yeah |
| [13:47:32] | ovrflw0x: | what was it |
| [13:48:09] | branden__: | First off is mythtv not available for windows? |
| [13:48:09] | justinh: | this is not a windows support channel :D |
| [13:48:38] | ovrflw0x: | so no more support i suppose? |
| [13:49:11] | justinh: | what makes you think people in a channel for a linux DVR app would want to help? |
| [13:49:13] | branden__: | There was this person on here asking about stuff for w7. |
| [13:49:42] | ovrflw0x: | is there any other channel where i can get some info? |
| [13:49:53] | justinh: | who knows. freenode is a pretty big place |
| [13:50:07] | justinh: | but I think windows type folks tend to hang out more in forums than IRC |
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| [13:50:42] | ovrflw0x: | k guys thxbai |
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| [13:50:57] | branden__: | That guy from India was asking about stuff. |
| [13:53:36] | branden__: | crap |
| [13:53:56] | branden__: | My tv tuner won't fit. |
| [13:54:12] | justinh: | funny, they tend to ask more about how to use mythtv in an application they're developing for some company. free support for their development work. Sheisters |
| [13:54:46] | branden__: | ??? |
| [13:55:24] | justinh: | hallo, I is from some company wanting to know about the mythtv api so that we can make great product |
| [13:55:35] | branden__: | Well I could always use another box and transfer the files to this one I suppose |
| [13:55:50] | branden__: | api? |
| [13:55:51] | justinh: | and I have not read anything about mythtv and I cannot be bothered to read anything so I am asking you to tell me now please |
| [13:56:10] | justinh: | how does mythvideo work? please describe the code line by line |
| [13:56:16] | justinh: | etc... |
| [13:56:29] | branden__: | I bet you it is open source |
| [13:56:35] | justinh: | oh yeah |
| [13:56:52] | justinh: | but they see IRC as a free meal ticket. oh and open source software |
| [13:56:55] | branden__: | Then say google the code and develop from there. |
| [13:57:05] | justinh: | open source == free code, free help. Make money! |
| [13:57:36] | branden__: | So which company did this? |
| [13:57:54] | justinh: | dunno, but the ones I've seen tend to be from that part of the world |
| [13:58:13] | branden__: | India? |
| [13:58:38] | justinh: | land of low-cost programming outsourcing |
| [13:58:59] | ** branden__ thinks this is a very funny conversation. ** | |
| [13:59:09] | justinh: | s/programming/everything/ |
| [13:59:45] | justinh: | what's funny about a company coming in on an open source project, wanting to change it to do their bidding AND expecting somebody else to do all the work for them? |
| [13:59:53] | justinh: | for free? |
| [14:00:04] | justinh: | when they're gonna make something to sell |
| [14:00:43] | branden__: | That lazy for you. |
| [14:01:30] | justinh: | yeh well, they can go to hell as far as I'm concerned |
| [14:02:09] | branden__: | yeah |
| [14:02:42] | branden__: | Why don't we change the license so they can't steal the code and sell it? |
| [14:03:08] | justinh: | cos it's not our decision to make |
| [14:03:45] | branden__: | It only being for mac and linux makes things harder for them |
| [14:04:10] | justinh: | not when they're looking to make an embedded product |
| [14:04:22] | iamlindoro: | It's also not only linux and Mac OS |
| [14:04:27] | sphery: | heh, all these vendors shipping Android are finding out just how "free" using "open source" is... |
| [14:04:42] | sphery: | (where a) Android isn't open source and b) FOSS is Free, not free) |
| [14:04:44] | justinh: | free as in get your hind end sued off my Apple |
| [14:04:46] | branden__: | and charge extra for it being android. |
| [14:04:55] | justinh: | *by Apple |
| [14:05:05] | sphery: | HTC is paying MS $5/Android device they ship. And Samsung may have to pay MS $15/device. |
| [14:05:15] | justinh: | ruh? |
| [14:05:20] | justinh: | oh FAT |
| [14:05:27] | sphery: | licensed patents |
| [14:05:39] | sphery: | funniest part is that Google gets $0/device shipped by either :) |
| [14:05:44] | justinh: | software patents need to go die in a fire |
| [14:05:47] | sphery: | agreed |
| [14:06:21] | branden__: | How do you patent software? |
| [14:06:27] | justinh: | one thing to protect your own code – fine. but achieving the same ends a different way.. that's just crud |
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| [14:06:44] | justinh: | branden__: you don't. you patent something software *does* |
| [14:06:44] | sphery: | will be interesting to see--now that an Apple/MS/others consortium bought Nortel's patent portfolio for $4.5B--just how many more companies will be paying money for Android and how many who are already paying will be paying even more |
| [14:08:25] | sphery: | agreed--patents are supposed to be for inventions and copyright for written information, so copyrights should be enough to protect software |
| [14:09:03] | branden__: | It is ok to patent software, just really annoying. |
| [14:09:21] | sphery: | but then again, Disney is using copyright to protect trademarks (by getting Congress to keep extending copyright so Steamboat Willy never goes out of copyright), so why not use patents to protect copyright |
| [14:09:35] | justinh: | where said invention is something more tangible than "a means of projecting a display of program guide data in a horizontal scrolling grid type format" |
| [14:09:50] | sphery: | right--just like you can't patent a mathematical formula or a physical process |
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| [14:10:04] | sphery: | and software is almost always just a mathematical formula... |
| [14:10:39] | justinh: | whereas a revolutionary new widget's plans are – and really should be.. patentable. that's fair |
| [14:10:53] | branden__: | Just think of what would happen if companies could not patent stuff |
| [14:10:57] | sphery: | or, like you said, some formatting or business process type thing |
| [14:11:13] | sphery: | patenting inventions is ok |
| [14:11:16] | branden__: | Bill Gate would have to wait another week for his golden striper pole and stipers |
| [14:11:24] | branden__: | Gates* |
| [14:11:25] | justinh: | imagine you came up with a design for a new engine, but the patent you get is not for the thing itself but what it does. that'd be stupid |
| [14:12:05] | justinh: | branden__: just think what'd happen. there'd be a whole lot more innovation. borrowing ideas, building on them without fear of litigation |
| [14:12:20] | sphery: | we can only dream of the day... |
| [14:12:24] | branden__: | I was making jokes |
| [14:12:32] | justinh: | you do know that there are patents for crummy things like coverflow don't you? |
| [14:12:37] | branden__: | South park did a whole episode about it. |
| [14:12:52] | branden__: | very funny |
| [14:12:57] | justinh: | that's a really cool little thing right there & to prevent everybody else using it... jees. that's just... evil |
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| [14:13:21] | sphery: | heh, I might actually suffer through watching a South Park episode to see that one |
| [14:13:23] | branden__: | Its so you can make some money |
| [14:13:53] | branden__: | sphery: It was more about pirating though |
| [14:14:03] | sphery: | heh, would still be good |
| [14:14:14] | branden__: | Let me see if I can find it |
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| [14:15:33] | branden__: | I can't find it but they have one I saw it was funny. |
| [14:16:07] | JEDIDIAH__: | patent for coverflow? Not surprised. Disappointed but not surprised. |
| [14:16:32] | branden__: | You see what blah has done, now blah movie star has to wait 1 mouth for his golden stripper pole |
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| [14:16:50] | justinh: | at least the grid based epg layout was thrown out :) |
| [14:17:24] | justinh: | the real problem isn't so much the patents are stupid. it's the fact you have to have enough resources to fight one |
| [14:17:35] | branden__: | I wonder why steam boat willy keeps getting it copy right extended, its not like it has to do with much. |
| [14:17:55] | justinh: | not like it's any fricken good ;) |
| [14:17:58] | branden__: | justinh: So true |
| [14:18:07] | JEDIDIAH__: | those kind of dovetail together... increasing overhead for everyone. |
| [14:18:27] | justinh: | lawyers. it's all their fault. kill them all :) |
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| [14:18:59] | branden__: | Did you know in the US at one time it was against the law to back up your movies to your computer |
| [14:19:16] | branden__: | ? |
| [14:19:34] | justinh: | it also used to be difficult to make backups of films you owned on celluloid reels |
| [14:20:09] | justinh: | and at one time there wasn't this amazing resource where people make all kinds of stuff available for free, even stuff you're morally supposed to pay for! |
| [14:20:42] | JEDIDIAH__: | if you listen to apple users, it's still illegal to backup your movies to your computer. |
| [14:20:45] | branden__: | It was even illegal to use libdvdcss |
| [14:20:59] | branden__: | at one time |
| [14:21:08] | branden__: | JEDIDIAH__: ??? |
| [14:21:10] | JEDIDIAH__: | it's illegal to distribute libdvdcss. subtle difference |
| [14:21:14] | justinh: | so has that been thrashed out in courst get? |
| [14:21:23] | justinh: | *court, even |
| [14:22:41] | branden__: | The supreme court ruled you could use libdvdcss and distribute it, and amended the fair use agreement thing so you could back them up as long as you keep proof of purchase. |
| [14:23:05] | JEDIDIAH__: | must have missed that one. Certainly doesn't sound like the current court either. |
| [14:23:19] | justinh: | or in other words.. you can do whetever you like so long as they don't see it via the big televiewer on your wall |
| [14:23:22] | branden__: | It was about 2 years ago |
| [14:23:43] | branden__: | justinh: lol |
| [14:23:56] | branden__: | justinh: Also I think it is called a telescreen |
| [14:24:04] | justinh: | damned if I'd give away rips of anything I paid good money for anyway.. bloody scroungers |
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| [14:24:21] | justinh: | file sharing stops at home ;) |
| [14:24:40] | justinh: | home taping? sheesh.. buy your own fricken copy of the album, tightwad! |
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| [14:45:10] | justinh: | oh what an endearing little penguin.. it'll look really cool stuffed on the mantelpiece.. |
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| [15:00:49] | tlhiv_laptop: | hi folks ... what does the best job "upconverting" DiVX movies to be played on a HDTV ... that is, which player (default, mplayer, xine, other) looks the best at playing "lower resolution/bitrate" movies? |
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| [15:10:38] | wagnerrp: | tlhiv_laptop: you delete the divx movies, go to best buy, and purchase them on bluray |
| [15:10:53] | tlhiv_laptop: | wagnerrp: i've encoded them myself thank you |
| [15:10:59] | tlhiv_laptop: | from my own dvd's |
| [15:11:25] | iamlindoro: | He wasn't suggesting otherwise |
| [15:11:31] | wagnerrp: | thats fine |
| [15:11:39] | tlhiv_laptop: | sorry ... misread |
| [15:11:47] | tlhiv_laptop: | the point is that i have children that destroy discs ;) |
| [15:11:49] | wagnerrp: | you still probably threw away a good deal of quality from the original DVD video in the process |
| [15:11:59] | iamlindoro: | He was saying that a very very low quality codec encode of SD will never get much better |
| [15:12:14] | tlhiv_laptop: | so i encode them to keep from having to deal with scratched dvd's |
| [15:12:33] | wagnerrp: | no, you rip them to keep from having to deal with scratched dvds |
| [15:12:33] | iamlindoro: | But to answer the original question, *all* of the players you mentioned use the same encode, decode, and scaling libraries, and thus with the right settings, all would be capable of producing identical output |
| [15:12:51] | wagnerrp: | you encode them because for some strange reason, everyone things recompressing mpeg2 is just what you do |
| [15:12:54] | tlhiv_laptop: | so my question is "given that i have encoded them with DiVX/XVID, what player does best at playing them at fullscreen?" |
| [15:13:41] | tlhiv_laptop: | wagnerrp: well xvid/h.264 can look just as good as the MPEG2 at smaller bitrates (and thus smaller filesize) |
| [15:13:55] | tlhiv_laptop: | storage is cheap but not free |
| [15:14:00] | iamlindoro: | Only if both were encoded from the same original source |
| [15:14:17] | iamlindoro: | If you encode your MPEG-2 source to xvid of H.264, by definition the second generation will never look as good |
| [15:14:22] | iamlindoro: | only "less bad" |
| [15:14:35] | wagnerrp: | Divx is really only good for maybe 30–40% better than MPEG2 |
| [15:14:55] | wagnerrp: | the MPEG4ASP codec it is based off of simply isnt that high of performance |
| [15:15:24] | wagnerrp: | so if you took those 4–6GB MPEG2 videos, and converted them to 3–4GB divx videos... then you're probably good |
| [15:15:45] | wagnerrp: | if instead you ended up with 700MB-1GB videos, you threw away a HUGE amount of data |
| [15:16:12] | wagnerrp: | now when displaying this on a 480i set, its often hard to tell the difference |
| [15:16:21] | wagnerrp: | when trying to upscale them to an HD set, you very much can tell the difference |
| [15:16:35] | tlhiv_laptop: | well i have a DVD player (Philips DVP5990) that plays divx/xvid via USB and it upconverts them VERY well ... i was just trying to do as well with my same videos using one of the mythtv players and i wanted to know which one to use |
| [15:17:52] | iamlindoro: | see answer already provided |
| [15:18:31] | wagnerrp: | if you want to play on an HD set, i still recommend replacing with bluray, or at least re-ripping the DVDs and keeping the original MPEG2 |
| [15:18:33] | tlhiv_laptop: | iamlindoro: indeed |
| [15:19:15] | tlhiv_laptop: | wagnerrp: it's a quality vs. storage war ;) |
| [15:20:41] | wagnerrp: | quality wins, $70 gets you a drive capable of storing ~400 DVDs |
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| [15:21:36] | tlhiv_laptop: | :-) |
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| [15:22:41] | loganRun: | HD crashed and I am rebuilding my system. I want to restore my mythtv database from a backup. I am trying to run /usr/share/mythtv/mythconverg_restore.pl --directory /home/mythtv/mythtv_backups --filename mythconverg-1254–20110706150016.sql.bz2 |
| [15:22:47] | wagnerrp: | next time you play one of these films, look at any soft gradient, like a black background |
| [15:22:53] | loganRun: | but get ERROR: Cannot write to mysql, stopped at /usr/share/mythtv/mythconverg_restore.pl line 1720, <BACKUP> line 302. |
| [15:23:01] | loganRun: | not sure what is wrong |
| [15:23:09] | wagnerrp: | anything divx under around 2GB in size will render that black background as a single sheet |
| [15:23:28] | wagnerrp: | which a couple very noticeable domains of significantly different color |
| [15:24:36] | wagnerrp: | if you were using h264, 2GB for a DVD would look pretty decent |
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| [15:28:35] | wagnerrp: | in any case, the only player we support is mythtv's internal player, and if configured sanely, the only player you can use with mythtv is mythtv's internal player |
| [15:29:14] | wagnerrp: | the only thing i can suggest is that opengl scaling will do better than Xv |
| [15:29:33] | wagnerrp: | and some people swear by the new VDPAU scaler on later model nVidia cards |
| [15:30:18] | loganRun: | may have gotten it, doesn't look like it can handle bz2 or maybe there is a flag for that |
| [15:30:40] | wagnerrp: | if it produced that file, it should be able to handle that file |
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| [15:31:47] | wagnerrp: | looks like it detects the format |
| [15:33:27] | JEDIDIAH__: | happily used divx for a number of years (for TV content) until I came across a series that was shot mostly at night. If you aren't transcoding on a deadline, you might as well just use h264. |
| [15:34:27] | wagnerrp: | divx is terrible with anything dark |
| [15:34:41] | wagnerrp: | its like youre watching 256-color GIFs |
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| [15:41:03] | iamlindoro: | Heh, my boss is out with a new baby, wonder what Myth stuff I could get done for the rest of the week |
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| [16:03:42] | loganRun: | with fc14 do I still need to switch mythtv to use alsa instead of pulseaudio |
| [16:04:01] | loganRun: | I am trying to switch it but it says error opening audio device, no such file or directory |
| [16:04:05] | wagnerrp: | with 0.24, mythtv can no use pulseaudio directly |
| [16:04:14] | wagnerrp: | however you still should disable pulse and use alsa instead |
| [16:04:26] | wagnerrp: | the pulseaudio output is very limited |
| [16:04:41] | loganRun: | o.k. maybe I need to reboot or something |
| [16:05:08] | loganRun: | I am going to reboot first, I'll be back |
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| [16:10:15] | loganRun: | o.k. now I get AudioOutput Error: Error opening audio device (): No such file or directory |
| [16:10:37] | iamlindoro: | You haven't configured audio... your audio device is supposed to be in those parenthesis |
| [16:10:47] | iamlindoro: | meaning you have it set to nothing at all |
| [16:11:05] | iamlindoro: | go to the audio settings, hit scan for devices, choose from the resulting list |
| [16:11:13] | loganRun: | o.k. so what do I set the audio output device to, I tried the scan but it didn't give any choices |
| [16:11:32] | loganRun: | what do I type in for alsa |
| [16:11:45] | loganRun: | if I remove pulse audio do I need to install alsa or is it the default |
| [16:12:26] | wagnerrp: | pulse is nothing but a sound server |
| [16:12:30] | wagnerrp: | it does not provide hardware access |
| [16:12:45] | wagnerrp: | pulse has to output audio to alsa, which in turn outputs to the hardware |
| [16:13:24] | loganRun: | yeah that is what I thought, so what do I set mythtv to to use alsa then |
| [16:14:57] | wagnerrp: | when you tell it to scan, it should pick up alsa's input |
| [16:14:58] | wagnerrp: | s |
| [16:16:14] | loganRun: | no is says nothing found, let me try again |
| [16:17:40] | loganRun: | http://pastebin.com/pGmPtGiR |
| [16:17:52] | loganRun: | that is the output I get in the shell window with the error when I do a scan |
| [16:18:26] | loganRun: | if I do a test from the control pannel on gnome it seems to work fine |
| [16:18:35] | wagnerrp: | perhaps your user account does not have alsa permissions |
| [16:18:39] | loganRun: | the sounds card should be SB Live! EMU10k1 |
| [16:18:56] | loganRun: | perhaps how do I set those? |
| [16:19:36] | loganRun: | also I don't know if the card=xc8801 is correct or not |
| [16:19:39] | wagnerrp: | on my distro, just put mythtv in the 'audio' group |
| [16:20:27] | loganRun: | I am running FC14, there is not audio goup that I see from the user manager |
| [16:20:41] | wagnerrp: | ive never run fedora |
| [16:20:51] | wagnerrp: | and i havent run redhat before it since version 7 |
| [16:21:14] | loganRun: | o.k. in /etc/group there is an audio group |
| [16:21:24] | loganRun: | let me see if I can add mythtv to that |
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| [16:27:35] | loganRun: | no still the same probem. it doesn't seem like ALSA, Error: snd_pcm_open("default:CARD=CX8801"): |
| [16:27:38] | loganRun: | is correct |
| [16:28:03] | loganRun: | where the heck does that come from |
| [16:28:35] | iamlindoro: | That value was returned by the ALSA API to list all the pcm devices |
| [16:28:41] | iamlindoro: | so it is definitely correct |
| [16:29:37] | iamlindoro: | Did you log the mythtv user out when you added it to the audio group? |
| [16:29:45] | loganRun: | o.k. well all I know is that I can play audio if I go to the gnome control pannel and test the right and left speaker for SB Live! EMU10k1 |
| [16:30:11] | iamlindoro: | CX8801 is the pcm device for a capture card, so it's fine for it to error on that |
| [16:30:16] | loganRun: | do I did not log out |
| [16:30:32] | iamlindoro: | Adding a user to a group doesn't just take effect magically |
| [16:30:35] | iamlindoro: | you need to log back in |
| [16:31:20] | loganRun: | well I can try it, that would be strange though. that should be kernel level stuff I would think, should not have to log out |
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| [16:34:08] | loganRun: | no same thing after logging out and back in |
| [16:35:54] | loganRun: | http://pastebin.com/P4XpajXY |
| [16:36:00] | loganRun: | here is the output from aplay -L |
| [16:36:48] | loganRun: | so seems like the device should be SB0228 or something |
| [16:37:09] | iamlindoro: | aplay -L is not analogous to the API query performed |
| [16:37:34] | iamlindoro: | You are supposed to scan for audio devices, then the spinbox on that same screen can be arrowed through to pick the right device |
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| [16:37:40] | iamlindoro: | *you* still need to pick the right device |
| [16:38:14] | loganRun: | it doesn't work it returns with " is invalid or not useable" |
| [16:38:35] | iamlindoro: | Then you have some sort of fundamental ALSA configuration issue |
| [16:38:42] | loganRun: | wait it does populate after that, hang on |
| [16:40:09] | loganRun: | o.k. looks like there is a bug that it tries to load the current device that was typed in (which was nothing) before populating the list, but it does populate the list after that |
| [16:40:10] | loganRun: | thanks |
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| [16:40:54] | iamlindoro: | The list has numerous default values. They only go missing if the user clears them all out |
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| [16:41:06] | loganRun: | what is the best thing to use to receive infrared remote signals, i.e. what do most people do |
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| [16:41:21] | iamlindoro: | Purchase an mceusb reciever, install and configure LIRC |
| [16:41:24] | wagnerrp: | a lot of people seem to like the mceusb units |
| [16:41:49] | loganRun: | it can receive from most remotes? |
| [16:42:01] | wagnerrp: | it comes with a remote |
| [16:42:05] | iamlindoro: | from most, though the remote it is packaged with is superior to most |
| [16:42:18] | loganRun: | o.k. |
| [16:42:31] | wagnerrp: | and if you were intending to use a universal reprogrammable remote, chances are it can handle the codes |
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| [16:42:48] | electronhead: | hi |
| [16:42:48] | devinheitmueller: | If you're trying to use it with an arbitrary remote, the MCEUSB devices are the way to go (as opposed to trying to use the IR receiver built into a tuner for example). |
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| [16:48:38] | iamlindoro: | Aaaaaand you're welcome |
| [16:48:52] | wagnerrp: | hes come and gone a couple times |
| [16:48:58] | wagnerrp: | hell be back |
| [16:49:03] | wagnerrp: | (maybe) |
| [16:50:03] | electronhead: | guys, quick question. I'm running mythtv-setup and when I go to add a capture card the program drops to a blank khaki coloured screen, hangs there indefinately |
| [16:50:10] | electronhead: | am I missing something really obvious? |
| [16:50:20] | wagnerrp: | 0.24 or 0.25? |
| [16:50:55] | electronhead: | 0.24 it seems |
| [16:51:16] | wagnerrp: | try with '-O ThemePainter=qt' |
| [16:53:34] | electronhead: | that's upsetting xterm |
| [16:53:49] | wagnerrp: | 'mythtv-setup -O ThemePainter=qt'? |
| [16:54:50] | electronhead: | "No absolute parth found for shell: mythtv-setup -O ThemePainter=qt" |
| [16:55:01] | wagnerrp: | wha? |
| [16:56:50] | electronhead: | actually, do you know where I can find logs for the mythtv-setup? I'll keep poking around in there |
| [16:57:00] | wagnerrp: | in the terminal you ran it from |
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| [16:57:19] | wagnerrp: | unless you specify a log file, it spits out everything to the terminal |
| [16:58:57] | electronhead: | ah okay. well, idk. thanks for your help anyway. It was really just if there was something really obvious that would solve everything |
| [16:59:00] | electronhead: | cheers |
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| [17:21:41] | wagnerrp: | didnt we get rid of framebuffer output support? |
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| [17:55:35] | _klk_: | hi all, i'm trying to use mythcommflag compiled from trunk on an .avi file i have captured from DISH. i give it the —skipdb flag but it still errors |
| [17:55:48] | _klk_: | here's the output: pastebin.com/TuBcrkeg |
| [17:56:38] | wagnerrp: | thats correct, you ran an option that requires access to the database |
| [17:57:16] | _klk_: | wagnerrp: which option is that? |
| [17:57:42] | wagnerrp: | --chanid/--starttime denote it needs to interface with the recorded table, --video denotes it interfaces with the videometadata table |
| [17:57:50] | wagnerrp: | if you want to run sans database, use --file |
| [17:58:37] | _klk_: | ah, i missed that option |
| [17:58:39] | _klk_: | let me try that! |
| [17:59:15] | wagnerrp: | ... i should add bailouts that terminate if skipdb is run in a bad mode |
| [18:02:26] | _klk_: | that would be sweet. i reran it with the —file option and got a segmentation fault: http://pastebin.com/5yNtXn5b |
| [18:02:49] | _klk_: | it's still saying "New DB connection" |
| [18:03:23] | _klk_: | actually the error is the exact same as it was with --video |
| [18:04:06] | _klk_: | actually, hmm i am running it on the version that is installed |
| [18:04:10] | _klk_: | it might be the 0.2.4 |
| [18:04:19] | _klk_: | and it ran successfully |
| [18:05:56] | wagnerrp: | this is on... what version? |
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| [18:07:09] | _klk_: | i was running it previously on the version from trunk, but i was calling it directly in the source folder. i think that might have been causing some issues with loading of libraries etc. |
| [18:07:34] | loganRun: | I am trying to get the IR probe to work that is attached to my pvr250 card. I have had this issue before with a new system upgrade. I think it was something with having to add a modprobe somewhere while the system was booting, but don't remember what exactly |
| [18:08:04] | wagnerrp: | i know when i restructured it a few days ago, i tested that option and it worked fine |
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| [18:13:35] | loganRun: | looks like I am missing the lirc_i2c module, how do I get that |
| [18:14:43] | wagnerrp: | _klk_: works fine here in a chroot with no access to the database |
| [18:15:18] | wagnerrp: | http://pastebin.com/4HDNYHTB |
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| [18:18:58] | _klk_: | wagnerrp: it's working over here as well |
| [18:19:21] | _klk_: | i'm looking at the output and i see a couple of frames marked with "marktype |
| [18:19:30] | _klk_: | marktype: 4 and marktype: 5 |
| [18:19:33] | _klk_: | what do these mean? |
| [18:19:52] | _klk_: | also does it mark the beginning of a commercial break or the beginning and end? |
| [18:20:33] | wagnerrp: | https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/blob/master/ . . . mtypes.h#L40 |
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| [18:52:09] | loganRun: | does anyone know where I can get the lirc_i2c module? |
| [18:52:27] | loganRun: | seems like it is not available for FC14 |
| [18:52:41] | wagnerrp: | what version of the kernel are you running? |
| [18:52:55] | loganRun: | 2.6.35.13–92.fc14.i686 |
| [18:53:04] | loganRun: | just the default kernel |
| [18:53:09] | wagnerrp: | then it should come with the lirc package |
| [18:53:24] | wagnerrp: | later version of the kernel saw the lirc driver modules include within the stock kernel source |
| [18:53:30] | loganRun: | modprobe lirc_i2c says not found |
| [18:53:30] | devinheitmueller: | lirc_i2c was deprecated. |
| [18:53:42] | devinheitmueller: | It you're on a pvr-xxx then you need lirc_zilog instead. |
| [18:53:43] | wagnerrp: | devinheitmueller: even that far back? |
| [18:54:01] | devinheitmueller: | Oh, that's a good question. Not 100% sure. |
| [18:54:05] | devinheitmueller: | j-rod would be the guy to ask. |
| [18:54:13] | loganRun: | yes I have a pvr250 and a hdtv 5500,' |
| [18:54:23] | wagnerrp: | loganRun: yeah, if lirc is going to work anywhere, it will work on fedora |
| [18:54:31] | wagnerrp: | the lirc maintainer is a redhat employee |
| [18:54:39] | devinheitmueller: | I know lirc_i2c was dropped, but I don't know the exact timeline. |
| [18:54:53] | loganRun: | I was using the remote on the pvr250, though the hdtv 5500 has an ir port I somehow dout it would work either and probalby won't take the same type of IR input |
| [18:55:41] | j-rod: | loganRun: actually, modprobe ir-kbd-i2c for that hardware |
| [18:56:08] | j-rod: | devinheitmueller: don't think zilog will bind, requires the i2c part advertise as being a zilog, iirc |
| [18:56:41] | j-rod: | and yes, lirc_i2c has been history in fedora for some time |
| [18:56:53] | loganRun: | yeah ir-kbd-i2c does something, just don't know how to control it, it simulated keyboard input or something |
| [18:57:00] | j-rod: | the fedora 14 2.6.35 patches have what's much closer to 2.6.38 IR/v4l/dvb code |
| [18:57:10] | j-rod: | er, kernels have patches |
| [18:57:13] | devinheitmueller: | like I said, j-rod is the guy to talk to about this topic.... |
| [18:57:43] | j-rod: | loganRun: if you want to use it with lirc, devinput mode is the ticket |
| [18:58:03] | loganRun: | j-rod, o.k. how do I get devinput mode? |
| [18:58:31] | j-rod: | http://lirc.org/html/devinput.html |
| [18:58:38] | j-rod: | ignore the crap about hal, its irrelevant on fedora |
| [18:59:08] | loganRun: | also I probably need to put a modprobe ir-kbd-i2c somewhere so it is loaded correctly at boot, where does that go |
| [18:59:23] | j-rod: | same place you would have put lirc_i2c |
| [18:59:55] | loganRun: | /etc/modprobe/dist.conf? |
| [19:00:15] | j-rod: | uh. no. what would you put in there that would do anything? |
| [19:00:24] | loganRun: | I mean rc.local |
| [19:00:45] | j-rod: | that'll probably fail, because it won't be loaded before lircd starts up |
| [19:00:51] | j-rod: | or rather, lircd will fail |
| [19:01:00] | j-rod: | I'd use /etc/sysconfig/modules/ir.modules or similar |
| [19:01:17] | j-rod: | anything .modules in that dir is a shell script, called early in boot by rc.sysinit |
| [19:01:28] | j-rod: | that'll load the driver well before lircd tries to start |
| [19:02:19] | devinheitmueller: | j-rod: somebody really should get around to writing some sort of HOWTO or Quickstart guide for this stuff. |
| [19:02:23] | loganRun: | o.k. I'll try to put it there, now let me jeck out the link you sent |
| [19:02:27] | loganRun: | check |
| [19:02:27] | devinheitmueller: | I volunteer wagnerrp. |
| [19:02:31] | j-rod: | ha |
| [19:02:36] | j-rod: | I keep meaning to write it myself |
| [19:02:48] | wagnerrp: | eh? |
| [19:03:14] | wagnerrp: | i set lirc up once like three years ago |
| [19:03:19] | wagnerrp: | and ive avoided it ever since |
| [19:03:22] | wagnerrp: | if it breaks, im screwed |
| [19:03:23] | j-rod: | me too |
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| [19:03:34] | j-rod: | (avoided it, that is…) |
| [19:03:49] | Beirdo: | make sure there's a large section on how to properly curse at lirc. |
| [19:03:51] | j-rod: | (obviously!) |
| [19:03:54] | wagnerrp: | wait... are you supposed to be the one person who actually knows how the whole thing works? |
| [19:03:55] | wagnerrp: | :P |
| [19:04:02] | wagnerrp: | s/are/arent/ |
| [19:04:02] | j-rod: | Beirdo: and its jackass maintainer... |
| [19:04:17] | Beirdo: | ummm, OK, if you insist :) |
| [19:04:22] | j-rod: | I keeeed. |
| [19:04:43] | Beirdo: | I know. :) They'll do that anyways |
| [19:04:48] | Beirdo: | no need to document that part |
| [19:05:49] | j-rod: | just ask my wife though. the maintainer *can* be a real jackass. |
| [19:06:17] | devinheitmueller: | j-rod: funny, your wife told me that just last night! |
| [19:06:18] | devinheitmueller: | ;-) |
| [19:06:25] | j-rod: | ha |
| [19:11:27] | devinheitmueller: | j-rod: remote sent out. USPS tracking number: 2306 3250 0000 5823 8614 |
| [19:11:54] | j-rod: | cool, thanks much |
| [19:12:03] | devinheitmueller: | And now *everybody* will know when Jarod gets his Pinnacle remote control. |
| [19:12:09] | j-rod: | heh |
| [19:12:27] | j-rod: | from what I can tell, the pinnacle cable might also work with a pcHDTV HD-3000 |
| [19:12:31] | devinheitmueller: | sorry about not finding the cable. I spent a good twenty minutes tearing apart my office, and no sign of it. |
| [19:12:41] | j-rod: | which I completely forgot I had, and that it has a jack on it |
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| [19:14:43] | wagnerrp: | devinheitmueller: that means well also know where he lives, unless you sent it to his office |
| [19:14:56] | devinheitmueller: | Yes, I sent it to his office. |
| [19:15:10] | Beirdo: | USPS only tracks to the ZIP code anyways :) |
| [19:15:43] | devinheitmueller: | And the fact that Jarod works at Red Hat in Westford is hardly a secret... |
| [19:15:43] | Beirdo: | wow, this seektable rebuild is slow |
| [19:15:51] | Beirdo: | 1000fps |
| [19:16:28] | Beirdo: | no wonder, seems the source file is buggered |
| [19:17:26] | Beirdo: | it crapped out at 40% |
| [19:17:30] | j-rod: | and he lives in Tyngsboro, MA, about 9 miles (driving) from the Westford office |
| [19:17:43] | Beirdo: | heh, I think I need to be lookin at that recording tonight |
| [19:18:07] | devinheitmueller: | queue the video of the satellite tracking him down to show him sitting at his desk.... |
| [19:18:26] | wagnerrp: | enhance! |
| [19:18:40] | Beirdo: | I'm sure there's a hottie somewhere in the office that would be more interesting to track :) |
| [19:18:52] | devinheitmueller: | Beirdo: almost certainly. |
| [19:19:09] | wagnerrp: | maybe if we got a reflection off a car in the parking lot, we could see inside the building |
| [19:19:19] | loganRun: | j-rod, o.k. I tried lircd -d /dev/input/event5, but I don't think lirc is seeing anyinput, also if it did work I would need to somehow supress the percieved keyboard input from the remote into X windows |
| [19:19:21] | devinheitmueller: | Beirdo: not that Jarod isn't a very attractive man... |
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| [19:19:38] | Beirdo: | fair enough, but he's not my type, ya know :0 |
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| [19:20:16] | wagnerrp: | your type is crazed and latin? |
| [19:20:20] | Beirdo: | and this rebuild is 930fps. Another borked recording perhaps? |
| [19:20:34] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: well... and female :0 |
| [19:20:43] | wagnerrp: | details |
| [19:20:50] | Beirdo: | I can do without either of the other two attributes |
| [19:21:29] | j-rod: | you'd be hard pressed to find women period in this building |
| [19:21:43] | Beirdo: | oh? That's a shame |
| [19:21:59] | j-rod: | its probably like a 10–1 ratio here |
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| [19:22:19] | wagnerrp: | well you know, a linux distributor is like the internet |
| [19:22:44] | loganRun: | using ir-kbd-i2c, I don't know how to attach it to lircd, I tried lircd -d /dev/input/event5, but that doesn't seem to work. I am guessing the module does not generate the right type of output |
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| [19:25:45] | j-rod: | loganRun: what lircd.conf are you using? |
| [19:25:54] | j-rod: | (pastebin it, if you want) |
| [19:26:26] | j-rod: | also, crap. there may be a keymap mismatch still present in the f14 kernels. |
| [19:26:34] | j-rod: | yum install v4l-utils |
| [19:26:45] | j-rod: | then, with root privs, ir-keytable -t |
| [19:26:49] | j-rod: | press buttons on the remote |
| [19:26:54] | j-rod: | see if it spits anything out |
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| [19:30:40] | loganRun: | o.k. hang on, seems like my lircd.conf got squashed. I am (was intenting to use my old that worked on FC13 with lircd) |
| [19:31:23] | j-rod: | not going to work |
| [19:31:33] | j-rod: | the lirc.org link had the right config |
| [19:31:56] | j-rod: | devinput mode isn't IR scancodes |
| [19:32:09] | j-rod: | its linux input layer key codes |
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| [19:35:09] | loganRun: | o.k. tried ir-keytable -t, that didn't spit anything out. Also, don't follow what you are saying about the config files |
| [19:35:35] | loganRun: | I need to somehow map the codes from my particular remote to the different strings right? |
| [19:37:12] | j-rod: | crap. |
| [19:37:22] | j-rod: | wagnerrp: what was that you were saying about it working?… ;) |
| [19:37:48] | loganRun: | I am trying lircd -H devinput -d /dev/input/event5 now |
| [19:38:02] | loganRun: | but doesn't seem like it does anything |
| [19:38:03] | j-rod: | never going to work if ir-keytable isn't working |
| [19:38:27] | j-rod: | there's a thread w/gabe rubin that covers this, you may well have the same hw |
| [19:38:30] | loganRun: | what output shoudl ir-keytable give, also I am still confused about the remote config file |
| [19:39:15] | j-rod: | http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/engine? . . . reply;so=ASC |
| [19:39:16] | loganRun: | something is working though if I hold down 4 on the remote I see 4's stream into my shell |
| [19:39:31] | j-rod: | er, scratch that then... |
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| [19:39:44] | j-rod: | pastebin the output of ir-keytable w/o any args, please |
| [19:40:22] | loganRun: | should lircd be running |
| [19:40:36] | wagnerrp: | j-rod: ? |
| [19:40:42] | j-rod: | for safety's sake, I'd stop it |
| [19:41:13] | j-rod: | wagnerrp: you said "if its going to work anywhere, it'll work on fedora" ;) |
| [19:41:26] | loganRun: | http://pastebin.com/WHdWTyGx |
| [19:41:34] | j-rod: | there's some slightly subtle breakage with a few cases in Fedora 14 |
| [19:41:48] | wagnerrp: | because that (or rhel) would be the two OSs you have the most experience with, and spend the most time testing on |
| [19:42:11] | j-rod: | loganRun: ok, ir-keytable -t is trying to test your cx88 device, rather than the pvr-250 |
| [19:42:19] | j-rod: | so ir-keytable -s rc1 -t instead |
| [19:42:23] | j-rod: | then try pressing buttons on the remote |
| [19:42:36] | j-rod: | if that works, then so will lircd, once the right config file is used |
| [19:42:52] | j-rod: | wagnerrp: yeah, just joking |
| [19:43:17] | loganRun: | j-rod: yes I see output now |
| [19:43:44] | j-rod: | loganRun: in that case, get lircd.conf.devinput like that lirc.org page says, put it in place of your current lircd.conf |
| [19:43:51] | j-rod: | then irw should show output too |
| [19:44:28] | loganRun: | o.k. will try .... |
| [19:48:52] | loganRun: | o.k. I put http://lirc.sourceforge.net/remotes/devinput/lircd.conf.devinput in as /etc/lirc/lircd.conf. then started lircd as lircd -H devinput -d /dev/input/event5, than ran irw, but don't see anything yet from irw |
| [19:50:10] | loganRun: | j-rod: still don't understand how I configure things for my specific remote control |
| [19:51:52] | j-rod: | lircd running as root? from the initscript? or by hand? |
| [19:52:03] | loganRun: | by hand as root |
| [19:52:31] | j-rod: | try lircd -H devinput -d /dev/input/event5 -n |
| [19:52:40] | j-rod: | see if lircd spits out anything of interest |
| [19:52:50] | j-rod: | (-n == nodaemon) |
| [19:53:26] | loganRun: | weird yes, I am seeing output in that case |
| [19:53:37] | j-rod: | pastebin it |
| [19:53:38] | loganRun: | you are using an obsolete devinput config file: Success |
| [19:53:45] | j-rod: | oh. that. |
| [19:54:17] | j-rod: | edit /etc/lirc/lircd.conf and rip out the 32-bit devinput stanza, leaving the 64-bit one, and that'll go away. |
| [19:54:29] | j-rod: | but that should be inconsequential |
| [19:54:52] | loganRun: | I am running i686 kernel |
| [19:55:00] | j-rod: | doesn't matter |
| [19:55:16] | j-rod: | not the cpu bit size that matters here |
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| [19:56:46] | j-rod: | back in a few... |
| [19:57:32] | loganRun: | o.k. .. .guest that is all working now, but just need to figure out how to get back my normal config file |
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| [20:06:04] | j-rod: | so irw gives you keys now? |
| [20:06:29] | loganRun: | yes, so I guess it is just a matter of changing "key_0" etc. to what I had in my old file? |
| [20:06:57] | j-rod: | update ~/.lircrc instead |
| [20:07:08] | j-rod: | make it match what irw is reporting |
| [20:07:14] | j-rod: | they're standardized key names |
| [20:07:40] | j-rod: | so if you swap out receiver hardware for another devinput setup, it'll Just Work(â„¢). in theory, anyway. |
| [20:07:41] | loganRun: | will anything else in the conf file need to change to match my remote? |
| [20:07:54] | j-rod: | don't think so |
| [20:08:07] | j-rod: | unless you built your lircrc with the remote name defined in every stanza |
| [20:08:40] | loganRun: | no, just used the rpm, but don't understand how it know how to interpret my remote per se |
| [20:09:17] | j-rod: | lircd.conf defines the lirc key names |
| [20:09:34] | j-rod: | then typically, they're mapped to application-specific functions by ~/.lircrc |
| [20:10:10] | loganRun: | does the generic lircd.conf have every possible code that the hardware can generate? |
| [20:10:21] | j-rod: | yes |
| [20:10:37] | j-rod: | its generated programmatically from include/linux/input.h |
| [20:10:45] | j-rod: | which defines all possible key names |
| [20:11:18] | j-rod: | well, technically, its possible a new kernel adds new key names and the conf hasn't been regenerated |
| [20:12:23] | loganRun: | j-rod: well I remember the remote that came with the pvr250 did not define as many keys as on my jp1, but I found frequences that would work (i.e. they left extra spacing) |
| [20:12:58] | loganRun: | basically I took the pvr250 config and just added keys to it where there was space in the frequency table |
| [20:13:19] | j-rod: | ir-keytable -r -s rc1 |
| [20:13:37] | j-rod: | you're missing a piece of the puzzle |
| [20:13:48] | j-rod: | the 250 has a cooked mode IR receiver |
| [20:13:54] | j-rod: | it decodes the IR signal in hardware |
| [20:14:01] | j-rod: | and passes along the decoded RC5 scancode |
| [20:14:16] | j-rod: | in the lirc_i2c days, that scancode was passed to lircd |
| [20:14:39] | j-rod: | with ir-kbd-i2c, its passed to rc-core, and looked up against the hauppauge key table loaded there |
| [20:14:44] | loganRun: | j-rod, yes I suppose that is true, but lets say it has 20 keys, and my jp1 has 25, I was able to add 5 more keys that the hardware was fine with |
| [20:14:47] | j-rod: | and converted into an input key name |
| [20:15:03] | j-rod: | yes, and you can still do taht |
| [20:15:36] | loganRun: | so it looks like there are 33 keys define from the ir-keytable -r -s rc1 |
| [20:16:00] | loganRun: | what happens if the code is something other than those |
| [20:16:01] | j-rod: | you can fill in what you want around those, same as you did with lircd.conf |
| [20:16:12] | j-rod: | push a new keytable into the kernel |
| [20:16:22] | j-rod: | look at /etc/rc_keymaps/haupp (iirc) |
| [20:17:47] | loganRun: | so I can just edit that file: how do I know what codes to use?ir-keytable -s rc1 -t ? |
| [20:18:26] | loganRun: | the codes are not the same as with my old lircd.conf |
| [20:19:52] | j-rod: | they actually are |
| [20:20:01] | j-rod: | they just don't look like it ) |
| [20:20:02] | j-rod: | :) |
| [20:21:09] | loganRun: | well I had for example: "1 0x00000000000017C1" in the old file |
| [20:22:41] | loganRun: | that has change to 0x1e01 KEY_1 in the haupp file and "KEY_1 0x0002" in the new lircd.conf file |
| [20:22:54] | loganRun: | don't see the relationship |
| [20:25:33] | loganRun: | j-rod: anyway have to take off in a minute. thanks a lot for the help |
| [20:26:29] | j-rod: | drivers/media/video/ir-kbd-i2c.c shows the conversion that is done on the data |
| [20:26:41] | j-rod: | but if you just load ir-kbd-i2c with debug=1 |
| [20:26:47] | j-rod: | and look in dmesg after each keypress |
| [20:27:08] | j-rod: | it'll give you the dev= and code= values, that you can easily convert into values for a custom mapping to push into the kernel |
| [20:27:29] | j-rod: | "easily" is relative, of course. ;) |
| [20:28:33] | loganRun: | ok thanks |
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| [20:44:11] | tlhiv_laptop: | i am playing a video ... how do i skip to the next video? |
| [20:44:38] | tlhiv_laptop: | it's not a recording |
| [20:44:49] | tlhiv_laptop: | i'm not even using dvr |
| [20:46:29] | wagnerrp: | exit playback, select the next, start playback |
| [20:47:08] | tlhiv_laptop: | there's no way to doit without exiting? |
| [20:47:33] | wagnerrp: | you can tell mythtv to play the entire current folder |
| [20:47:42] | tlhiv_laptop: | it should (IMHO) be like skipping to the next track on a CD or DVD |
| [20:47:52] | wagnerrp: | you can set one video to automatically start another video upon exit |
| [20:48:31] | wagnerrp: | its all of three buttons |
| [20:48:36] | wagnerrp: | escape, down, p |
| [20:48:42] | wagnerrp: | or instead of p, enter enter |
| [20:49:37] | wagnerrp: | when the smallest video you might want to watch will be ~22 minutes |
| [20:49:51] | wagnerrp: | saving a couple seconds and a couple key presses in between is not a high priority behavior |
| [20:49:55] | tlhiv_laptop: | ok ... also, how do i stop fast forwarding? p goes to pause |
| [20:50:54] | wagnerrp: | not sure on that one, i dont recall my frontends behaving that way |
| [20:50:57] | wagnerrp: | might be a configuration option |
| [20:52:20] | tlhiv_laptop: | sorry ... it was ENTER |
| [20:52:32] | tlhiv_laptop: | to "exit" < and > |
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| [20:55:35] | tlhiv_laptop: | wagnerrp: you don't happen to have an ATI card to you? |
| [20:55:46] | wagnerrp: | im using one currently |
| [20:57:02] | tlhiv_laptop: | this may or may not be a mythtv issue, but it only happens with mythtv ... when i start mythtv using my HDMI output, the entire system crashes |
| [20:57:18] | tlhiv_laptop: | and have no idea how to debug it ... this doesn't happen with just plain X |
| [20:58:03] | wagnerrp: | cant say i have anything like HDMI on my good old rage 128 |
| [20:58:29] | tlhiv_laptop: | hehe |
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| [21:05:06] | wagnerrp: | there is an issue with ATI cards where if using an old playback profile, mythtv will attempt to use xvmc |
| [21:05:17] | wagnerrp: | and the attempt to initialize it will crash X |
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| [21:07:36] | j-rod: | bah. stupid computer. don't divide by zero. |
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| [22:31:05] | tlhiv_laptop: | wagnerrp: how do you play all videos in a directory without having to select the next one when the video stops |
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| [22:34:46] | wagnerrp: | in the 'm' menu, there is an option to play all in directory |
| [22:35:17] | tlhiv_laptop: | ok thanks |
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| [22:36:26] | tlhiv_laptop: | wagnerrp: i don't see that option |
| [22:37:04] | wagnerrp: | maybe under 'i' |
| [22:37:05] | tlhiv_laptop: | wagnerrp: i see "scan for changes", "filter display", "browse by ...", "change view", "disable file browse mode", "enable flat view", and "settings" |
| [22:37:25] | wagnerrp: | maybe you have to have selected a folder |
| [22:37:28] | tlhiv_laptop: | excellent |
| [22:37:32] | wagnerrp: | ive only used it once, and that was a long time ago |
| [22:37:37] | wagnerrp: | i dont have any use for it |
| [22:37:45] | tlhiv_laptop: | it's under I ... i have to remember this when i setup my remote ... i will have to bind a key to it |
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| [22:38:08] | wagnerrp: | you need something set to 'i' anyway, since thats how you manage metadata |
| [22:38:15] | wagnerrp: | and its vital to several other screens in mythtv |
| [22:38:24] | tlhiv_laptop: | hmmm |
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| [22:38:31] | tlhiv_laptop: | well right now i'm doing everything via Synergy |
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| [23:15:12] | tlhiv_laptop: | wagnerrp: is there a way within mythtv to increase the playback brightness ... the onscreen brightness seems just fine |
| [23:15:22] | tlhiv_laptop: | in fact, it might be a little too bright |
| [23:15:31] | tlhiv_laptop: | but video playback is not bright enough |
| [23:16:33] | iamlindoro: | if you are using a video output method which supports picture controls, you can open the Menu during playback and choose Video->Adjust Picture |
| [23:16:42] | iamlindoro: | if you are not using a video output method which supports picture controls, you are SOL |
| [23:17:00] | wagnerrp: | fu--! |
| [23:17:04] | iamlindoro: | PS, don't direct your questions to individuals just because they've helped you before, it makes people insane |
| [23:17:08] | wagnerrp: | sprinkler compressor just went off |
| [23:17:15] | wagnerrp: | i hate that thing |
| [23:23:30] | tlhiv_laptop: | iamlindoro: i have "Adjust Fill", "Adjust Audio Sync", and "Adjust Time Stretch" |
| [23:23:32] | ** Beirdo is getting superfrustrated with work crap... ** | |
| [23:23:41] | Beirdo: | time for smashy smashy! |
| [23:24:08] | iamlindoro: | tlhiv_laptop: What version of mythtv? |
| [23:24:34] | tlhiv_laptop: | 0.23.1_p27077 |
| [23:24:47] | iamlindoro: | tlhiv_laptop: You need to upgrade to a supported version, that's two releases ago |
| [23:25:53] | tlhiv_laptop: | how about 0.23_p25073? |
| [23:25:59] | tlhiv_laptop: | that's older isn't it? |
| [23:26:06] | iamlindoro: | yes, that's older still |
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| [23:26:18] | iamlindoro: | .24.1 is the current, and only supported, release |
| [23:26:25] | tlhiv_laptop: | i'm looking at what i have in Portage |
| [23:27:23] | tlhiv_laptop: | btw ... perhaps i need to know what the preferred way of tweaking the theme is because i am manually editing the XML files in /usr/share/mythtv but emerging another version destroys my tweaks |
| [23:28:06] | iamlindoro: | copy the theme to a new directory alongside the old, name the theme something you like in the themeinfo.xml so that you know it's different |
| [23:28:17] | wagnerrp: | that sounds like gentoo |
| [23:28:22] | wagnerrp: | yeah, portage |
| [23:28:34] | wagnerrp: | mythtv has its own overlay that it keeps up to date |
| [23:28:40] | wagnerrp: | include 0.24.1 and 0.25pre builds |
| [23:29:37] | tlhiv_laptop: | ok ... i'll do that ... how about in ~/.mythtv |
| [23:29:43] | tlhiv_laptop: | can i place them there somewhere? |
| [23:29:48] | tlhiv_laptop: | perhaps ~/.mythtv/themes |
| [23:30:23] | iamlindoro: | tlhiv_laptop: You don't get to pick a theme dir |
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| [23:30:51] | iamlindoro: | take the individual theme's folder, copy it in the SAME dir the theme is in with a new name, edit the themeinfo.xml, edit to your heart's content |
| [23:32:43] | tlhiv_laptop: | excellent |
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| [23:34:37] | tlhiv_laptop: | actually, i've been editing the defaultmenu folder |
| [23:34:50] | tlhiv_laptop: | i haven't touched the actual themes |
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