Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Wednesday, July 6th, 2011, 00:00 UTC

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wagnerrp:

in flight didnt matter, all we cared about was static thrust to get off the ground in our roll limit

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wagnerrp:

however in flight, forward speed means you unload the propeller, resulting in higher rpm

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Twiggy2cents:

ohh

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wagnerrp:

in our case, higher rpm meant we came off the pipe, and dropped in power pretty severely

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Twiggy2cents:

So did you comprimise or suffer lower power in flight?

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wagnerrp:

neither

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wagnerrp:

once we got off the ground, it didnt matter how much power we had

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Twiggy2cents:

Ohh

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wagnerrp:

it had plenty to stay in the air and thats all that mattered

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Twiggy2cents:

So the drop in power wasnt enough to lose altitude

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wagnerrp:

if you drop power, you lose speed, which causes increased load on the propeller, lower rpm, and higher power

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wagnerrp:

so its self regulating

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wagnerrp:

you suffer from low top end

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wagnerrp:

but there is no risk to air worthiness

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Twiggy2cents:

Well on a side note. My CA repair job seems to be holding

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Twiggy2cents:

It may fly again. I will have to get a transmission housing though. The bearing retainer is partially broken. But I wont worry about that until it becomes an issue

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wagnerrp:

that must be a tiny engine to have that small of a prop even with a gearbox

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wagnerrp:

normally, you use a gearbox to drop the RPMs, allowing a larger prop and higher thrust at the expense of top end

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wagnerrp:

higher static thrust, that is

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wagnerrp:

180w, about a quarter horsepower

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wagnerrp:

sphery: the housekeeper does exactly nothing on slave backends, right?

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andreax1:

Hello All! I once again was curious about the newest steps mythtv made and compiled 0.25pre (2593-g890c55f) from yesterday night on both my Master Backend and a Remote Frontend. Now i realize, its not possible anymore to watch livetv on the remote frontend. In the log of the remote frontend it seems it forgot where to connect to. Is this a known bug or did i broke anything here? http://pastebin.com/CBjbTpGb

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wagnerrp:

ive actually seen that once before

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wagnerrp:

i think iamli ndoro fixed it a couple days back

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andreax1:

Hm. The compile is from like 24 hours ago.

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wagnerrp:

hehe

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wagnerrp:

one commit past yours

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andreax1:

Wah, no? :)

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wagnerrp:

no, that was two '//' causing problems

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wagnerrp:

not lack of address

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wagnerrp:

nevermind

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andreax1:

I wonder, whats going wrong here, cause the frontend on the backend server works fine...

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wagnerrp:

can you stream recorded content?

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andreax1:

Yeah.

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andreax1:

Its just livetv... On the screen you see it looks to the signal and jump back with the "Opening Buffer" Error-Requester.

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andreax1:

Sorry, i dunno the original english sentence within the requester, cause i use the german translation.. :)

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andreax1:

looks = locks, btw...

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: His doesn't actually appear to be that

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: Mine is just the UI file browser, nothing related to playback

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: no, different from what you fixed

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wagnerrp:

but i do recall seeing someone else's paste within the past few days showing that issue

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iamlindoro:

oh, sorry, didn't read far enough forward before responding

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wagnerrp:

looking through trac, but cant find it

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iamlindoro:

that said, this is a frontend log

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iamlindoro:

and thus semi-useless

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wagnerrp:

no, the frontend is connecting nowhere

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wagnerrp:

at the very least, the logging is incorrect

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wagnerrp:

at worst, the frontend doesnt know where the backend is to connect the stream

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wagnerrp:

RingBuf(myth:///0)

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andreax1:

This is what i suspect, yeah... And yes, its a log of the frontend...

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: Right, but the misconfiguration is likely on the BE

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iamlindoro:

if indeed it is the result of a misconfiguration... like using hostnames

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andreax1:

In the config page on the frontend the ip of the backend is still filled like it was before... And i changed nothing regarding networking...

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andreax1:

Just to make it clear, i try not to offend anyone cause of that. I just find its interesting... ;)

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wagnerrp:

were just offended youre using live tv... :P

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andreax1:

hihihi... :) I need to use livetv when i try to find sleep... The frontend only is connected to my tv in bedroom... Away from that mythtv is a recorder over the day... :)

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: ive been tracing down #9859, and the problem is this XSLT call

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wagnerrp:

https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/blob/master/ . . . vdb.py#L1042

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wagnerrp:

whatever that does, it goes into some C module, and sits there at 100% CPU load for about 70–80 seconds

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wagnerrp:

processing down on some 1.6MB of XML data

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Beirdo:

yech

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wagnerrp:

now aside from chewing through large volumes of XML and spitting out a processed result

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wagnerrp:

i really have no idea what its doing

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wagnerrp:

the daily show is 1.6MB and takes 80 seconds, while stargate is 290K and takes all of a second

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wagnerrp:

so i assume this is exponentially hard, whatever its doing

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wagnerrp:

now this is on a 3.3GHz phenom 2, so no slouch of a processor

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: can you open lxml.de?

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Beirdo:

doesn't seem to do anything

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: im abandoning it for now

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wagnerrp:

if you know anyone with XSLT experience, they can have at it

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Beirdo:

where's the XML coming from?

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Beirdo:

any way we can source it in another form? like JSON?

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wagnerrp:

theres no reason we cant simply manually process the XML in python

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wagnerrp:

and it would likely result in the output taking all of 1–2 seconds (down from 80)

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wagnerrp:

the problem is that someone has to write it

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wagnerrp:

i just dont feel like it at the moment

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Beirdo:

gotcha

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Beirdo:

you should notice your debug logs in FreeBSD have the thread ID now ;)

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Beirdo:

just needed a few minutes to tweak it to work right

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hoolio:

looking to do the basic db optimisation

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hoolio:

can't use mythweb

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hoolio:

the wiki says use

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hoolio:

/usr/share/doc/mythtv-docs-0.21/contrib/optimize_mythdb.pl

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hoolio:

that file does not exist on my .24 box

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wagnerrp:

nope, contrib files got moved to the wiki

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hoolio:

cool

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hoolio:

i ran mythwikiscripts

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hoolio:

but i couldn't see a db optimisation script there

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wagnerrp:

looks like that did not get migrated over

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wagnerrp:

that means it can still be found in contrib

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wagnerrp:

whereever your contrib can be found

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hoolio:

okay

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hoolio:

/usr/share/doc/mythtv-backend/contrib/maintenance/optimize_mythdb.pl

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hoolio:

ta

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mag0o:

sphery: is http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/415088#415088 still a good 'moving backend to new host' run-down?

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wagnerrp:

there have been no changes in that procedure recently

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mag0o:

thanks wagnerrp

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mag0o:

woohoo, new backend box wakes up from acpi sleep!

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mag0o:

now, on with the setup!

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Beirdo:

OK, my brain doesn't want me to tackle mpeg2fix.cpp tody

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Beirdo:

gotta wrap the brain around how the lists in use in it are managed

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wagnerrp:

but your shin keeps saying go!

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Beirdo:

they can *almost* be directly converted to QList from Q3PtrList

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Beirdo:

but they use the "current item" stuff, and it's not supported in QList

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Beirdo:

so either needs rethinking... or conversion

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wagnerrp:

feed it an iterator instead?

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Beirdo:

mostly

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Beirdo:

but I may need to track the "current position" as it doesn't seem to always access at the head/tail of list

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Beirdo:

I'll hit it again soon though

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Beirdo:

my brain was starting to get weary looking it over

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wagnerrp:

you could take a shot at XSLT

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wagnerrp:

:)

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Beirdo:

good god no ;)

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Beirdo:

not today

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wagnerrp:

theres a perl/mplayer issue in the bindings

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Beirdo:

yeah, true

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Beirdo:

I'll go play with that

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Beirdo:

not sure why -frames 1 should ever go haywire though

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Beirdo:

sounds more like a borked recording than anything

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wagnerrp:

if you follow the mailing list link, there is a test file the user can reproduce it with

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wagnerrp:

he was claiming it took several minutes for it to finally return on a 30 second file

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wagnerrp:

so it sounds like its barfing on the file itself, rather than having anything to do with -frames

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Beirdo:

looking for the link

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wagnerrp:

its in the ticket

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wagnerrp:

the test file is like 8 posts in, near the end of the thread

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Beirdo:

can't even find the thread, only the ticket

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Beirdo:

oooh

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Beirdo:

the thread IN the ticket :)

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

duh

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wagnerrp:

um.... yeah... that one

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Beirdo:

downloading

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Beirdo:

here I was expecting it to be on *our* mailing list for some insane reason

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wagnerrp:

heh

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wagnerrp:

ugh

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wagnerrp:

im trying to install a new jail, and ports keeps failing with 'no address record'

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wagnerrp:

cant figure out what that means

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wagnerrp:

seems the jail has no ip, meaning no network access

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wagnerrp:

... whoops

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Beirdo:

DNS failure

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Beirdo:

ah, that would certainly do it

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wagnerrp:

i wrote some new script to manage my jails

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wagnerrp:

turns out i had hard coded the network device

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Beirdo:

whip those cons.

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Beirdo:

oh wait.

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wagnerrp:

so on a different machine, it no longer works

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wagnerrp:

it wont create the necessary network aliases to function

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Beirdo:

OK. -frames 0 and -frames 1 both work with the mplayer version I have

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Beirdo:

on that file

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Beirdo:

I think I'll change the bindings to -frames 0

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Beirdo:

watch this propagate another bug in 3 months

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wagnerrp:

might want to delete the matching code in nuvexport

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

yeah, it could use a cleanup

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wagnerrp:

huh... its still taking several minutes for 'jail' to complete

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Beirdo:

odd

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wagnerrp:

hahaha

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wagnerrp:

'X11 error: BadAlloc (insufficient resources for operation)'

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Beirdo:

eek

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** wagnerrp debates filing a ticket to mplayer that it cannot handle HD MPEG2 with only 16MB of video memory **

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wagnerrp:

file plays fine here

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wagnerrp:

although im a bit old, revision 32624

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Beirdo:

what output method?

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wagnerrp:

xvideo

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Beirdo:

ouchie

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wagnerrp:

x11 works

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Beirdo:

libcaca probably does too

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Beirdo:

hehe

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wagnerrp:

well its doing something, no idea where its outputting to

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wagnerrp:

scratch that, it just does no video if you specify an invalid video output

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wagnerrp:

good call on DNS, seems i forgot to supply the resolv.conf

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mag0o:

meh, can't get lirc_zilog to load the firmware...

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: still around?

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Beirdo:

yup

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wagnerrp:

mythcommflag, you have a line 'QString mask("important general");'

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wagnerrp:

should that be important,general?

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Beirdo:

no

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wagnerrp:

or was that intentional?

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Beirdo:

it doesn't matter as the parser now handles both

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wagnerrp:

ok

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Beirdo:

but that was intentional as it's teh initial state

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Beirdo:

which used to be hardcoded in mythverbose.cpp and overridden all over

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Beirdo:

so rather than allow it to be overridden everywhere.

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Beirdo:

just pass it in :)

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Beirdo:

it's parsed on word boundaries now, so space, comma, etc all should work from the command line. but to propagate properly, it kinda needs to be a space for the default (it's still a bit messy)

[05:46:27]

wagnerrp:

ok

[05:48:44]

Beirdo:

hopefully soon that will just be "general" anyways :)

[05:49:47]

Beirdo:

but gotta finish the conversion first... then undo the removal of some LOC that took out too much useful detail. Sigh

[05:50:57]

Beirdo:

1491 VERBOSE in teh programs/ dir

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wagnerrp:

have fun with that

[05:51:29]

Beirdo:

124 left in libs/ (but that includes the VERBOSE_CHECK_LEVEL)

[05:51:41]

Beirdo:

there were over 2500 in libmythtv alone

[05:52:01]

Beirdo:

632 in mythplugins

[05:52:10]

Beirdo:

not too bad

[05:52:56]

wagnerrp:

sure, but the plugins are only about a hundred thousand lines of code

[05:53:07]

Beirdo:

yeah :)

[05:53:10]

wagnerrp:

not the mil and quarter of the rest of myth

[05:53:13]

Beirdo:

git grep really is a nice tool

[05:53:33]

wagnerrp:

but!

[05:53:39]

wagnerrp:

it only works on code that has been committed

[05:53:48]

Beirdo:

this woulda been nearly impossible without it

[05:53:52]

Beirdo:

heh, true

[05:54:06]

Beirdo:

well, not exactly

[05:54:24]

Beirdo:

it catches your changes too... but not new files not yet under git control

[05:55:42]

Beirdo:

I have a script that does git grep, then runs vim on all the .cpp/.c/.h files that match

[05:57:40]

Beirdo:

Octopussy would be a good coding "watch"

[05:58:16]

wagnerrp:

meh, octopussy was not one of the better bonds

[05:58:37]

Beirdo:

yeah, but it's been sitting there waiting to be watched... for nearly a year

[05:59:04]

Beirdo:

and is horizontally squished by the looks of it

[05:59:05]

wagnerrp:

is that the one with the traveling russian carnival?

[05:59:34]

Beirdo:

faberge egg

[05:59:40]

Beirdo:

I forget much of it

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wagnerrp:

and some black CIA guy gets hit with a saw-yo

[06:00:14]

wagnerrp:

the black guy always dies

[06:00:14]

Beirdo:

it's something to half-watch while killing some VERBOSE

[06:00:53]

Beirdo:

and ya gotta admit it has a catchy name

[06:01:16]

wagnerrp:

they brought back a bond girl for a second movie

[06:01:18]

wagnerrp:

you cant do that

[06:01:32]

wagnerrp:

except for moneypenny, she doesnt count

[06:01:45]

Beirdo:

and M, who REALLY doesn't count

[06:02:18]

wagnerrp:

well, except for the last couple, she was a he

[06:02:30]

Beirdo:

yeah

[06:02:37]

Beirdo:

Hmm

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Beirdo:

extraKB... << 20

[06:03:03]

Beirdo:

someone needs to get things straight :)

[06:03:29]

Beirdo:

or is that setting in GB?

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wagnerrp:

MB

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wagnerrp:

2^10 == 1024

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Beirdo:

if the setting is in MB, << 20 gives you bytes, not kB

[06:04:34]

Beirdo:

anyways, whatever :)

[06:04:42]

Beirdo:

OK, what's eating my bandwidth now?

[06:04:47]

wagnerrp:

ok, its KB to GB

[06:05:13]

Beirdo:

yeah, I think the setting is stored in GB in the db, and converted out to kB

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Beirdo:

just looked funky

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lapion:

is there any way to move all recordings to another directory so I can check out what the contents is of any stale files in the recordings directory ?

[07:17:08]

wagnerrp:

stale files?

[07:17:37]

lapion:

files not in the database anymore

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wagnerrp:

find_orphans.py

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lapion:

is that script included in the standard install or do I have dl it separately ?

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wagnerrp:

its on the wiki

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lapion:

thanks

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Beirdo:

OK, that looks so wrong :)

[07:23:07]

lapion:

wagnerrp, is there any script that scans old db-backups for db-info on those stale files and reinserts the data ?

[07:23:18]

Beirdo:

the backend's startup... MythTranslation::load("mythfrontend")

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Beirdo:

ummm, maybe that was named poorly?

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wagnerrp:

lapion: nope

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lapion:

wagnerrp, any way to reimport them ?

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wagnerrp:

dont delete them in the first place

[07:29:41]

wagnerrp:

the only reason the metadata would be gone would be either you told mythtv to delete something, or the autoexpire rules delete it for you

[07:30:00]

wagnerrp:

in either case, the fact that the file still exists at all is an error

[07:33:52]

lapion:

I deleted them from the db when the hdd in question got powered down without me realising it..

[07:34:15]

wagnerrp:

mythbackend will refuse to delete content from the database if it cannot find the file

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wagnerrp:

this is a protection mechanism against just such a scenario

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lapion:

well it will not refuse it will simply ask for confirmation

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wagnerrp:

and thats supposed to raise a flag, that you should check why the file doesnt exist

[07:36:45]

wagnerrp:

if its within 10 months of recording, some of that data can be recovered from the oldprogram table

[07:37:07]

wagnerrp:

but there is no means to make anything like close to a complete recovery

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lapion:

how can I recover using oldprogram table ?

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wagnerrp:

there is no currently supported mechanism

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lapion:

this is a job for mysql

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wagnerrp:

more correctly, this is a job for mythvideo

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lapion:

mythvideo ? you mean watch them offhand ?

[07:40:38]

wagnerrp:

offhand?

[07:42:49]

lapion:

or did you mean using mythvideo to import the recording ?

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wagnerrp:

mythvideo is the interface intended for use with random videos

[07:45:08]

** wagnerrp heads to bed **

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lapion:

that's what I mean with offhand, just watch it with any "random" player

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lapion:

wagnerrp, thanks I did not find anything worth recovering, except for of course space..

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peque:

hey group. After doing a reinstall of my MythBackend server I cannot make Mythfilldatabase put in info my system. Is there a friendly person who'll have a look and try to give me the answer http://pastebin.com/KJPb4ySe

[09:24:22]

peque:

Or is it simply becaurse I'm getting this info – without using any info from MythTV – but just grabs the info into the system. My sources are setup with no grabber – could this be the reason – PS running latest gitrelease!

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justinh:

why are you bothering to run mythfilldatabase if you're not using a grabber? There's no point

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justinh:

also why even bother using mythtv if you're not using any kind of EPG data?

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justinh:

or do you mean you're making your own xmltv file & importing it into mythtv with mythfilldatabase?

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peque:

Well – Normally I'm downloading the xmlfile (mostly becarse more info about programs – episodenumber etc) – I'm downloading the XMLfile and loading it into mythtv

[09:33:00]

peque:

Well – I guess it means I making(paying ) for my own xmlfile – with extra info – But really stranges since as I can see it cannot fill in the data as before! Its the same script etc just no data getting in MythTV

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Muzer:

justinh: updated, rebooted, left it for an hour, still no EIT data updates. Should I do another retune?

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justinh:

eh?

[11:52:48]

justinh:

what difference would rebooting have made? :-O

[11:57:15]

wagnerrp:

user on the mailing list claiming they have a 2GHz computer with 1.5GHz of memory

[11:58:28]

justinh:

better than 320GB of memory

[11:58:38]

justinh:

or should I say 'better then' ?

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wagnerrp:

depends on whether such things effect you

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justinh:

they all annoy me. much does these days

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G:

are there any big gotchas I need to watch out for when updating, or is it just run mythtv-setup to bump the DB version (after a DB backup of course)

[12:00:21]

sid3windr:

lol@effect

[12:00:23]

justinh:

G: the db will be backed up into the default storage group

[12:01:03]

G:

yeah, I did a mysqldump w/ mythbackend shutdown already as a precaution

[12:01:10]

justinh:

there's likely even a DB backup SG these days. haven't upgraded for ages

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wagnerrp:

mythtv automatically does a database backup prior to updating the schema

[12:02:01]

justinh:

folks should be taking regular backups as a matter of course anyway

[12:10:16]

Muzer:

justdave: dunno just in case :p

[12:10:40]

Muzer:

but I've done a rescan, I was lucky first time (no duplicate errors), and am now downloading icons (the interface to which seems to be quite improved, though still not perfect)

[12:10:45]

Muzer:

btw, where do the icons come from?

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justinh:

lyngsat

[12:12:26]

Muzer:

oh, wasn't expecting that :P

[12:14:34]

justinh:

I've never had any issues making EIT data work. It always just works for me (tm)

[12:15:28]

Muzer:

this is DTT, rather than satellite – same with you?

[12:16:05]

Muzer:

huh, can't see any channel logos on lyngsat... I'll carry on looking :p

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Muzer:

ah, lyngsat-logo

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Muzer:

hmm... how does the search work? I can't actually see a search button on their site... am I just blind?

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justinh:

yeah I use DTT. There's nothing on Satellite I can be bothered with

[12:24:36]

justinh:

not sure there's ever been a search thing on their site

[12:24:49]

Muzer:

hmm... how does Myth do it? Get the whole list and search itself?

[12:25:10]

justinh:

dunno. look in the code :D

[12:25:16]

Muzer:

heh

[12:25:23]

Muzer:

anyway, I'm going to submit some icons...

[12:25:58]

Muzer:

(it's very weird searching code – underscore acts like . in a regex, and it only searches the first word and ignores the rest if your words are separated by spaces)

[12:26:03]

justinh:

thought they had all the freeview ones

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Muzer:

and it only returns a fixed number of results as maximum

[12:26:20]

Muzer:

justinh: a few minor ones are missing, and a few recent changes still have the wrong icons

[12:26:22]

justinh:

mind, some of them are really crappy GIFs & such

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Muzer:

(eg ITV1 +1 has just the ITV1 icon, Radio 4 Extra is still Radio 7)

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justinh:

make em PNG if you can

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Muzer:

yeah, I'll grab from Wikipedia :p

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Muzer:

more likely PNG-rendered SVGs

[12:27:20]

Muzer:

but ones not on Wikipedia, yeah, I'll find some PNGs.

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justinh:

I set out making some SVG icons to use

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justinh:

I gave up. Too much of a thankless job

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Muzer:

heh

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justinh:

plus you always get some dolt up-voting a GIF above a quality image

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Muzer:

you do it because you're bored :p

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justinh:

don't have much time to be bored these days

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Muzer:

heh

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Muzer:

yeah, I'm not artistic enough

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justinh:

tracing icons doesn't need artistic skill

[12:29:07]

Muzer:

I've got until 1800 for my next recording, so I've got plenty of time to waste without the backend started :P

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Muzer:

I may as well go through the icon selection and submit all the missing ones I can find icons for

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Muzer:

except my wifi is playing up, wikipedia's just not loading :P

[12:29:49]

Muzer:

probably because I'm on secure wikipedia... I'll take the SSL off for now

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Muzer:

here we go

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justinh:

secure wikipedia?

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justinh:

you're not... a contributor.. are you? :-O

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Muzer:

no :p

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Muzer:

I think wikipedia may actually just be going slowly, as other sites seem to respond fine o_O

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Muzer:

hmm. maybe not

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Muzer:

my wifi hasn't been this bad for years... why the hell has it started now?

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sid3windr:

your neighbour started their microwave

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Muzer:

hmm

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Muzer:

no, it does actually seem to only be wikipedia that's affected

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Muzer:

justinh: https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/

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Muzer:

that's secure wikipedia

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justinh:

so what's the difference?

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sid3windr:

ssl! for great justice

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Muzer:

HTTPS

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Muzer:

yes

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sid3windr:

so your employer can't see you are surfing to "kamasutra positions"

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justinh:

MEH

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Muzer:

plus it has a cooler logo

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justinh:

?

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justinh:

smaller maybe. not cooler. same logo

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Muzer:

did I say logo? I meant favicon

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justinh:

LOL

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justinh:

pfft this ethernet over coax thing is lamer than I thought

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justinh:

supposed to be able to do 36MBps

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justinh:

I'

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justinh:

duh I've been seeing like 22Mbit/sec

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justinh:

er 36Mbps I mean. Pedants will come

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wagnerrp:

36mbps is still pretty poor

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wagnerrp:

thats a single 6MHz channel

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justinh:

dirt cheap chips

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** iamlindoro wonders if the wiki *really* needs articles about keyboards **

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wagnerrp:

at least what this guy wrote, keycodes for the multimedia keys, has as much a use as the lircd.conf definitions

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iamlindoro:

Why they need to be advertised as distro specific, though...

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wagnerrp:

because everything is distro specific

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wagnerrp:

in ubuntu, you set up that file

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wagnerrp:

in fedora, you smear goat feces on the keyboard

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wagnerrp:

if you smear goat feces in ubuntu, youre not going to have a good time

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iamlindoro:

or maybe you will

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iamlindoro:

http://ubuntusatanic.org/

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wagnerrp:

heh

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wagnerrp:

theyre using the wrong OS

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** iamlindoro hastens to riddle the wiki with instructions for setting up LIRC on Ubuntu Satanic **

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iamlindoro:

1) Draw pentagram around PC

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iamlindoro:

2) light candles at every point

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wagnerrp:

wouldnt you want to use an OS whose mascot is already a daemon?

[13:30:21]

iamlindoro:

3) Summon Ram Shaggoth (see distro documentation)

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iamlindoro:

4) Barter with eternal soul

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iamlindoro:

5) Reboot

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wagnerrp:

http://chrislaco.com/images/humor/lifb.jpg

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iamlindoro:

I would still rather see that on my nVidia box than regular tux

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mycosys:

that the instructions for gnoppix? or slackware?

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mycosys:

nah – would be spaghetti for slackware

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mycosys:

and an incantation asking for his noodly appendages to create the correct keycodes, should you consume properly and with respect

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wagnerrp:

can mythtv not use these keycodes directly?

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wagnerrp:

it seems... bad... to set these keycodes globally like this

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justinh:

why the heck didn't everyone just agree on a standard set of codes for multimedia functions?

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wagnerrp:

we pretty much have

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justinh:

rather than make IR receivers emulate keyboards & crap

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wagnerrp:

the multimedia buttons on keyboards generally carry the same code for the same purpose

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mycosys:

what is the difference between emulating a keyboard, and being a wireless keyboard?

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wagnerrp:

play is always code 162, volume is 174 and 176

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justinh:

a remote is not a wireless keyboard

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wagnerrp:

etc...

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wagnerrp:

mycosys: what hes getting at is there are a lot of remotes that fire off STANDARD keyboard keys

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wagnerrp:

i.e. you hit the play button on the remote, you get a 'P' in the terminal

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mycosys:

yep – i have 2

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mycosys:

very handy – HID devices

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justinh:

not very handy if you ever want them to do anything else

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mycosys:

play nice with firefox and whatever else

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mycosys:

keyboard and mouse arent useful?

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wagnerrp:

j-rod: you would probably know this... can mythtv use these multimedia keycodes directly without using xmodmap to map them to standard characters?

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mycosys:

it uses them beautifully in a default mythbuntu setup

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justinh:

IMHO a remote should either generate standard key code output or mad out-there codes. not a mixture of both

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mycosys:

agree – standard keycodes r good

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Muzer:

hmm... I don't really like the way MythTV handles remotes anyway, it seems a little hacky

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Muzer:

you map the remote to keyboard buttons in a LIRC config file, then set the keyboard buttons in MythTV config

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justinh:

lirc is hacky

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Muzer:

yeah

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justinh:

mythtv could just as easily have standard names for lirc stuff rather than keys

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justinh:

similar to how mplayer et al do it

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wagnerrp:

Muzer: technically, i dont think there is anything preventing us from defining the bindings directly in the lirc config file

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wagnerrp:

since its not like we interface through any keyboard subsystem

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j-rod:

wagnerrp: yes and no

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Muzer:

oh, btw, a nice feature IMHO would be a key that instantly changes channels up/down when watching TV, but does the same as page up/down when in the interface

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j-rod:

if the keycode > 247, X eats it

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Muzer:

that would be a very good thing to map to channel up/down keys

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j-rod:

unless you attach directly to the input event device and bypass X

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j-rod:

for anything 247 and under (248–255 are reserved, iirc), mythtv should be able to consume it directly

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wagnerrp:

wouldnt the same issue exist if using xmodmap?

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j-rod:

dunno, never used xmodmap

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j-rod:

(at least, not in the past few years, and not with any remotes)

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j-rod:

but I think so

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j-rod:

unless xmodmap can remap scancodes with consumed keycodes to new keycodes

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justinh:

eh? there ARE ch up/down keys already

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justinh:

and how the hell would that work when you just want to go up or down one in the interface?

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j-rod:

KEY_CHANNELUP -> 0x192 -> 402

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Muzer:

justinh: use the cursor keys on the remote...

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justinh:

so what are you saying exactly?

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Muzer:

not suitable for all remotes, of course, but for those with cursor keys and channel up/down keys, one that pages through menus but changes up and down through channels would work well.

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justinh:

use the cursor keys for ch+ and ch- ?

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justinh:

I miss not having page up & down on 3 & 9

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Muzer:

yes, but I'm instinctively drawn to ch+ and – for changing channel, and that usually just messes everything up, tries to skip forwards when there sin't anything forwards :P

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justinh:

I don't bind ch+ & ch- to anything :D

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justinh:

don't have to :D

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Muzer:

but then how do you page through menus? :P

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justinh:

never use the livetv :D

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Muzer:

<Muzer> but then how do you page through menus? :P

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justinh:

still no clue wth you're talking about

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justinh:

next thing you'll be saying mythfrontend should only cater to remotes with 6 buttons

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wagnerrp:

no, those types of remotes dont have channel up and down

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justinh:

they might, if you know how long to press one of the 6 buttons for

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mycosys:

what is this livetv thing?

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justinh:

one button FTW

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justinh:

hold down for 1 second for '

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justinh:

1'

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Muzer:

huh?

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Muzer:

what are you on about? :P

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justinh:

2 seconds for '2'

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wagnerrp:

its context sensitive

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Muzer:

I'm just saying there should be an OPTION to map buttons on a remote to a function that pages through menus a screen at a time (like page up/down), but also switches channels

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wagnerrp:

justinh: those two options are all you need... pound out your commands in morse

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Muzer:

so like page up/down in the menu, but like up/down when watching TV

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justinh:

Muzer: you probably can do that

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wagnerrp:

Muzer: what do you do in the EPG?

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wagnerrp:

one channel or one page?

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Muzer:

well, page because it's a menu

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wagnerrp:

but theyre channels

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justinh:

menus should never be so long you need to page

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justinh:

rule 1 on user interface design

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wagnerrp:

and even more, you have a live preview of the channel

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wagnerrp:

one would expect it to directly change the channel in the preview

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Muzer:

well, no, not on any PVR I've ever used

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Muzer:

pressing page up/down on any PVR I've ever used pages through the EPG

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Muzer:

justinh: tell that to the programme finder screen

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justinh:

but you can bind pgup & pgdn to anything you want

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justinh:

Muzer: that isn't a menu. it's a LIST

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justinh:

same as the EPG.. and every other list

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Muzer:

er, yes... :p

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Muzer:

that doesn't really affect my argument :p

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justinh:

yes it does

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Muzer:

OK

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Muzer:

go through my argument

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Muzer:

s/menu/list/

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Muzer:

done

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justinh:

PgUP & PgDN still work as you'd expect

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justinh:

what you mean is that you want the ability to make it contextual

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justinh:

which you likely can

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justinh:

and even if you can't it's probably a simple change to make to the code to make it so

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justinh:

i.e. add new keybindings for tvchannel up/down and/or navigation pgup/pgdn

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Muzer:

er... I'm slightly confused now...

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Muzer:

hmm, I think I see what you mean...

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justinh:

what does PgUp & PgDn do in livetv anyway?

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justinh:

likely nothing

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Muzer:

it messes with the buffer

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Muzer:

which usually causes massive slowdown and irritation

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Muzer:

it probably rewinds/fast-forwards by, like, a minute or something

[14:07:56]

justinh:

nah. I find that hard to believe

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Muzer:

well, when watching Live TV it does, because it never likes it if you try to fast-forward past live...

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justinh:

grrr you're right

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justinh:

so PgUp & PgDn do the same as something else AFAICT

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justinh:

& in watching a recording those keys zoom in & out? Oh man

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Muzer:

lol

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justinh:

that's utter, utter rubbish

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justinh:

you have to excuse my ignorance see, cos I only really know about the stuff I use a lot

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justinh:

where the heck is the consistency here?

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eddytv:

What do you want PgUp/PgDown to do in Live TV?

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justinh:

PgUp Skips X minutes (set in the DB) if you're watching live tv – unless it's a Thursday afternoon

[14:13:04]

eddytv:

Or, even while watching recorded TV?

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justinh:

I want those keys to do nothing :)

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Muzer:

when watching Live TV, I would expect it to change channels instantly (rather than displaying the information for other channels but not switching to them like up/down do)

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Muzer:

and when watching a recording, I would expect nothing

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justinh:

oh so you normally use browse mode

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eddytv:

Then edit your keybindings. By default they are bound to JUMPFFWD and JUMPRWND which are VERY useful...

[14:14:17]

justinh:

anyway. MEH. LIVE tv. Pfft

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Muzer:

browse mode? Sorry?

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justinh:

browse mode

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justinh:

yes, where ch+ & ch- doesn't change channels without you looking first

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Muzer:

ah

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Muzer:

didn't know that was a setting

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Muzer:

I assumed it would be a different keybinding if it existed

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eddytv:

And there is no such thing as "change channels instantly" in MythTV... every channel change takes 3–6 seconds, depending on your tuner.

[14:15:40]

Muzer:

(again, I'm biased towards what integrated PVRs do)

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eddytv:

Hence the reason for "browse mode"

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Muzer:

well, yeah, naturally

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justinh:

hence the reason for getting rid of live tv altogether :D

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eddytv:

You look through to see what's on, then change the channel once when you find the channel you want to tune.

[14:16:41]

justinh:

oh crap. Pgup & pgdn keys are globals

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Muzer:

It'd be nice though if you could have different keybindings for browse mode and non-browse mode and use both at once (eg up/down for browse mode and page up/page down for non-browse mode, like on a real PVR)

[14:16:45]

justinh:

you can't change what they do

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Muzer:

:/

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Muzer:

right

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Muzer:

back to my EIT problem :p

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justinh:

ah but you can stop them working in TVPlayback

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Muzer:

How long should I give it? I'll leave it a good half hour to give it time

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wagnerrp:

eit scanning should start after five minutes of idle

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justinh:

you should start seeing some data in minutes

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justinh:

on at least some channels

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Muzer:

OK

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Muzer:

oh, right, I need to tune to a channel you mean...

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Muzer:

I'll give that a try

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justinh:

christ on a bike mythtv has way too many keyboard functions

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eddytv:

Why would you want to get rid of JUMPFFWD and JUMPRWND in playback mode though?

[14:18:28]

Muzer:

lol

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justinh:

eddytv: who said to get rid of them? put them on better keys

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Muzer:

yeah, all channels in this country contain EIT data, though some broadcast the stream at different rates

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Muzer:

not sure which the best one was, IIRC it was something surprising (one of the commercial ones I think, which you wouldn't expect)

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wagnerrp:

all channels in this country contain EIT

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wagnerrp:

and contrary to the beliefs of some stubborn individuals, its all garbage

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justinh:

KEYVOLUMEUPIFWEDNESDAYAFTER3PM

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Muzer:

it's great in this country – accurate record signals are also great, it's a shame Myth doesn't support them (though I do agree it would be hard and create lots of complications)

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Muzer:

right, no EIT data yet, tuned to BBC One...

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wagnerrp:

accurate record signals?

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Muzer:

that's the marketing name

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justinh:

programme start signals

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Muzer:

not sure exactly how they work

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Muzer:

yeah

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Muzer:

and end

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justinh:

Aka 'freeview+' features

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wagnerrp:

ah

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justinh:

and trailer marking

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Muzer:

useful for things like Family Guy where it's not actually the time listed in EIT (or Radio Times for that matter)

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Muzer:

because it's, like, 23 minutes long or something

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justinh:

oft talked about. the guys who came up with it at the BBC have offered help

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Muzer:

really?

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justinh:

family guy. PFFT

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Muzer:

didn't know that

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Muzer:

just an example, justinh :P

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justinh:

yeah they work inthe broadcast chain :)

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Muzer:

but yeah, they set one as 20 minutes and one as 25 minutes, so one of them usually has a bit cut off the end :P

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justinh:

they came up with the standard & its implementation

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justinh:

I still record FG but it's gone a bit Simpsons

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Muzer:

yeah, not getting any EIT data

[14:22:31]

Muzer:

GAH, I wish I could remember how I'd fixed it before

[14:22:41]

justinh:

somebody needs to smack Seth wossisname & tell him his singing sucks

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iamlindoro:

Rogen? Green? McFarlane?

[14:23:25]

iamlindoro:

oh, McFarlane

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Muzer:

I'll try doing a bit of channel hopping

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Muzer:

onto all 6 muxes

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Muzer:

not getting any on Mux 2 either (ITV1)

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iamlindoro:

teach me not to read scrollback

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justinh:

heheh

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Muzer:

is there any way I can figure out why I'm not getting any EIT data?

[14:24:34]

justinh:

turn on EIT related logging :)

[14:24:47]

Muzer:

I probably have it on already TBH :P

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justinh:

mythbackend -v EIT or somesuch

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Muzer:

due to my previous problem which I wish I could remember how I fixed :P

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Muzer:

I'll just check chatlogs...

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justinh:

you can change logging options on the fly now.. have been able to for a while

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Muzer:

I've got it set to update EIT data after 60 seconds of inactivity

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Muzer:

it's been more than 60 seconds and, just with general logging, I haven't seen anything... I'll enable special EIT logging like you said in a minute

[14:35:22]

Muzer:

it's started a passive scan on channel 3... that's all I've got as far as logs go now after -v eit

[14:35:49]

Muzer:

oh, I fixed it with a rescan before

[14:35:57]

Muzer:

I've done about 5 rescans now, no EIT

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Muzer:

perhaps I should delete all current channels and the transport streams as well, do a clean scan...

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Muzer:

it just complained that a certain program is not in the PAT – how do I delete the program so it doesn't complain? (I mean, how do I know which one it's talking about)?

[14:41:12]

justinh:

program not in PAT eh... you need to rescan

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Muzer:

I've rescanned about 5 times in the past 2 days

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Muzer:

(deleted all channels, scanned for new ones)

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Muzer:

I'm wondering if it's TOPUP Anytime2, because that's a placeholder now (ie, no streams attached)

[14:42:55]

justinh:

sigh

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justinh:

what have you got all that crap in there for?

[14:43:23]

Muzer:

would make sense because it's on the SDN mux, and so is the channel it was trying to get EPG data from

[14:44:07]

Muzer:

justinh: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Ko9NSrane8

[14:45:45]

Muzer:

anyway, I'll go and delete TOPUP Anytime2

[14:45:47]

Muzer:

that may sort it

[14:46:23]

justinh:

wish we could delete TUTV for real

[14:46:30]

Muzer:

heh

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Muzer:

Five would just use the two streams for C5+1 and Big Brother live streaming :P

[14:46:57]

Muzer:

*Channel 5

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Muzer:

whatever they're called this week :p

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justinh:

ugh. a simpsons clip on youtube

[14:47:22]

justinh:

one of the unfunniest ones ever

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Muzer:

yeah, filmed with a camera, I only noticed that after I'd linked it ;p

[14:47:45]

justinh:

LOL is it?

[14:47:55]

justinh:

I never saw the video

[14:47:58]

Muzer:

yeah, watch it wobble, listen to the audio quality :P

[14:48:04]

Muzer:

I linked to it to answer your question, though, whilst being mildly funny :p

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** justinh reports it for violating copyright **

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wagnerrp:

according to the MPAA, thats how youre supposed to record television

[14:48:32]

wagnerrp:

with a camera and a tripod

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wagnerrp:

television, dvds, bluray, etc...

[14:48:50]

justinh:

ugh what – you can't report a copyright violation unless you're the copyright owner? spoilsports

[14:49:46]

justinh:

anyway, time for Simpsons to be put out to pasture. Like about 8 years ago

[14:51:10]

Muzer:

still no EIT data! I'll reenable logging and see wy...

[14:52:00]

Muzer:

it seems to be normal-ish, it tells me what mux it's scanning on, it starts a passive scan, nothing else appears, then it repeats with another mux.

[14:52:05]

Muzer:

no obvious error messages

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Muzer:

yeah

[14:58:29]

Muzer:

no error messages whatsoever

[14:58:48]

Muzer:

just does a passive scan for about 8 minutes, then moves onto another mux, never actually getting EIT data.

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EvilGuru:

I run a frontend on my Gentoo desktop. However all of the builds for 0.23 are currently broken. Is it worth trying to move my backend to 0.23.1?

[15:10:41]

wagnerrp:

there are no ebuilds for 0.23

[15:10:48]

wagnerrp:

or 0.23.1 for that matter

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EvilGuru:

wagnerrp: I think they are specific svn revisions, but there are some in media-tv/mythtv

[15:11:58]

wagnerrp:

https://github.com/MythTV/packaging/tree/mast . . . ia-tv/mythtv

[15:12:05]

wagnerrp:

0.24 and 0.25 only

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mag0o:

after following the wiki page on setting up the hdpvr ir blaster, I still don't have a /dev/lirc* and can't get irsend to use the device for sending, i get 'hardware does not support sending' Here is some info about my setup as it pertains to lirc http://pastebin.com/6qEkFHaW running slackware64 13.37 and lircd 0.9.0

[15:12:37]

EvilGuru:

wagnerrp: Is using the builds provided by portage not recommended?

[15:13:14]

wagnerrp:

no, because theyre old and only go up to 0.23

[15:13:31]

wagnerrp:

and are no longer receiving updates of any kind

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Muzer:

hmm

[15:14:20]

Muzer:

another not-in-PAT programme, this time I've no idea what channel it's on

[15:15:49]

Muzer:

something on Mux D...

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Muzer:

hmm

[15:16:24]

Muzer:

I actually have no idea whatsoever what that could be

[15:17:15]

Muzer:

is there a relatively simple way to look up a channel based on programme ID?

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Muzer:

this is a bit weird

[15:24:36]

Muzer:

it's getting that error for Mux 2 now, and it wasn't a few minutes ago

[15:27:07]

EvilGuru:

wagnerrp: Okay, so I should use the overlay, thanks

[15:27:25]

wagnerrp:

EvilGuru: note that using the overlay will require an upgrade to 0.24

[15:27:36]

wagnerrp:

unless you want to clone your own ebuilds for 0.23

[15:27:53]

EvilGuru:

No, I'll move the backend up, it runs mythbuntu so it should not be too bad

[15:29:17]

EvilGuru:

I think there were PPA's available at some point, otherwise it will be 10.04 => 10.10 => 11.04

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Muzer:

the error doesn't even make sense for mux 2!

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devinheitmueller:

iamlindoro: any chance I can get you to unlock #9270 so I can put a comment on there indicating the patch has been submitted upstream?

[15:38:37]

wagnerrp:

done

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devinheitmueller:

wagnerrp: thanks. Comment applied.

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Muzer:

erm, huh...

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Muzer:

according to the error messages, ITV1 and 4Music aren't in the PAT

[15:40:26]

Muzer:

that cannot be right...

[15:40:48]

Muzer:

and Sky News :/

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Muzer:

it's erroring on every one now

[15:40:57]

Muzer:

is it failing to tune or something but not realising?

[15:41:14]

Muzer:

oh, I think it is as well...

[15:41:18]

Muzer:

it's found the PAT for a different mux

[15:41:20]

Muzer:

somehow

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Muzer:

yeah

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Muzer:

that's... pretty messed up.

[15:42:06]

Muzer:

SO

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Muzer:

how could this have happened, and how do I stop it?

[15:42:13]

wagnerrp:

devinheitmueller: typepad classified you as apam

[15:42:16]

wagnerrp:

spam

[15:42:20]

devinheitmueller:

wagnerrp: oh?

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Muzer:

I'll try deleting all the transport streams and rescanning

[15:42:33]

wagnerrp:

TypePadFilterStrategy (-5): TypePad says content is spam

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devinheitmueller:

wagnerrp: the comment looks like it's there to me.

[15:42:59]

wagnerrp:

because the bayesian filter countermanded it

[15:43:01]

devinheitmueller:

wagnerrp: ... and I got a notification from mythtv-commits that the change went thorugh.

[15:43:21]

Muzer:

RIGHT

[15:43:32]

Muzer:

deleted all channels and transport streams, doing a clean scan

[15:43:36]

devinheitmueller:

wagnerrp: Well, I guess perhaps because it had links in it.

[15:43:52]

wagnerrp:

probably, ratio of links to other text or something

[15:44:28]

wagnerrp:

to be honest, we could probably git rid of the spam filters and be fine

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devinheitmueller:

wagnerrp: is there any action required on my part? I'm asking because everything looks fine to me; even now if I refresh on the ticket the comment looks fine.

[15:44:36]

wagnerrp:

the anonymous filter seems to be doing fine

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wagnerrp:

no, nothing needed

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devinheitmueller:

ok, cool

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wagnerrp:

just found it amusing

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devinheitmueller:

sure

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wagnerrp:

mrand was almost blocked on #9581

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wagnerrp:

was only saved by the fact he had previous valid comments

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Muzer:

I'm going to keep scanning until it does it perfectly

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Muzer:

WOOOO

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Muzer:

EIT DATA IS COMING THROUGH :D

[16:04:23]

Muzer:

eah

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Muzer:

I think the problem may be that MythTV tries to get EIT data before my card has properly tuned (it's a pretty slow tuner it seems)

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wagnerrp:

justinh: have you ever tried fiddling with alternative commercial detection methods?

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sphery:

wagnerrp: there are a few housekeeping jobs that are run on remote backends (and, likely more with some of iamlindoro's planned functionality/changes). See http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264458#264458 (and any of the rest of the thread) for more info

[17:20:32]

sphery:

and feel free to lobby for removal of some of those --no* args :)

[17:21:11]

wagnerrp:

no, was just looking at someone's slave backend log that was spitting out housekeeping stuff every five minutes

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wagnerrp:

and i believe the metadata stuff is intended to be triggered by the scheduler, on the master backend

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wagnerrp:

and then run through the jobqueue

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sphery:

yeah, I thought he had mentioned something for housekeeping--but may have just been cleanup of metadata/images, that could be done via the mbe with commands sent to remotes to delete files or whatever

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sphery:

I'm guessing the logs only had the every-5-min stuff because they had cranked up the verbosity

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sphery:

I don't get any housekeeping-related messages on my remote backend at default verbosity...

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

you will now

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Beirdo:

or did I set that to debug last night?

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Beirdo:

LOG(VB_GENERAL, LOG_INFO, "Running housekeeping thread");

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Beirdo:

nope, I left it at INFO (as it was)

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: did you ever do a once-over on my mythfilldatabase changes?

[17:40:51]

Beirdo:

I don't recall

[17:41:28]

wagnerrp:

some complaint about improper behavior on the mailing list

[17:41:39]

wagnerrp:

to be honest, i didnt understand what most of the crap in there was for

[17:41:42]

wagnerrp:

so i was converting blind

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

you got a commit to look over?

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wagnerrp:

https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/07a3b . . . 27d39#diff-1

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Beirdo:

ah yes

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wagnerrp:

ah, i forgot that there were several multi-part inputs i had to break up

[17:45:48]

Beirdo:

it looks good on a quick read. Someone complained that it's not working after the changes?

[17:45:57]

wagnerrp:

mythfilldatabase does not accept any extra arguments (or at least doesnt do anything with them)

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Beirdo:

it's likely the --file/--ddfile/--xawchannels change that means they need to tweak how they call it

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wagnerrp:

no, --sourceid was never a multipart argument

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wagnerrp:

so their command is just completely bogus

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Beirdo:

heh

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, did you get Cardoe's email about the ebuilds?

[17:48:07]

Beirdo:

must be an ID-10-t error

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wagnerrp:

it does not appear so

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wagnerrp:

when/where did he send it?

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kormoc:

wagnerrg@mythtv.org July 4, 2011 11:34:13 AM PDT

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Beirdo:

oooh

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kormoc:

ahh, I see the issue, g != p

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Beirdo:

typo@mythtv.org

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wagnerrp:

:)

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kormoc:

forwarded, should have it now

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kormoc:

or not

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kormoc:

do you not have a mythtv.org email addy?

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Beirdo:

should have. but it's gonna be first initial, lastname unless we added an additional alias

[17:51:23]

wagnerrp:

looks like im rwagner@

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kormoc:

ahh

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Beirdo:

if ya want an alias for wagnerrp, that can be easily done

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wagnerrp:

there it is

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wagnerrp:

!seen cardoe

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MythLogBot:

cardoe was last seen 8 days 23 hours 11 minutes 31 seconds ago

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wagnerrp:

he comes in here somewhat frequently

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: have you looked at any of the BSD firewalling stuff?

[18:20:44]

wagnerrp:

in any case, pf and altq are the big firewall/queuer tools in open/freebsd

[18:21:03]

wagnerrp:

apparently theres a recently discovered bug in one of the schedulers in altq

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wagnerrp:

the bandwidth is stored as a 32-bit

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wagnerrp:

so... if you try to throttle a connection at better than 4Gbps, it rolls over

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wagnerrp:

they must have not seen that one coming a decade ago

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Beirdo:

I used to use pf (with altq) on an OpenBSD firewall (on a Sun Ultra 5)

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Beirdo:

something's screwy in my brain... The new show "Suits"... every time I see it in the listings, my brain reads "Sluts"

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wagnerrp:

nah, thats showing on MTV and/or VH-1

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Beirdo:

how true

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

or Showtime or HBI

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Beirdo:

HBO. stupid fingers

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wagnerrp:

nah, thats "Softcore"

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kormoc:

Skinimax

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: do we have our own modifications in libdvdnav, or is that something that could conceivably be made an external?

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wagnerrp:

looking at #5468, and the only places we actually have abort() calls are in the ffmpeg libraries, and libmythdvdnav

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: pretty sure we have aborts other places too

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Beirdo:

or was that assert()

[20:05:52]

Beirdo:

hmm

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Diverdude:

How can i change the font of subtitles in myth tv? I want it to be larger text, default text can hardly be seen

[20:05:57]

Beirdo:

same end diference

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Diverdude:

any1?

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: we have other abort() calls, but those are all methods of some other class

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wagnerrp:

and not the abort() out of the application

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wagnerrp:

Diverdude: lack of response here did not suddenly make that a development question

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: gotcha :)

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: do you remember off hand which applications supported additional command line arguments?

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Beirdo:

mythavtest for one

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wagnerrp:

kCLPExtra

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Beirdo:

for the filename

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wagnerrp:

right, got that one

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Diverdude:

wagnerrp, yes it did

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Beirdo:

I don't remember any others off-hand

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wagnerrp:

Diverdude: did you intend to write an option in to change the font of subtitles had one not existed?

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: and frontend, takes a plugin name as an argument

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Beirdo:

ahh, had forgotten that feature

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Beirdo:

heh

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wagnerrp:

theres a lot of these that didnt use the old parser at all

[20:23:00]

Beirdo:

yeah

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ThisNewGuy:

hey all – is there any way to run some jobs (e.g. commercial flagging) at some times in the day (eg. 00:00–18:00) but run other jobs (e.g. Metadata update) all the time?

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kormoc:

Metadata updates aren't in the job queue system afaik

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wagnerrp:

ThisNewGuy: planned for the rewrite, not currently possible

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: they are as of yesterdau

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kormoc:

ahh

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kormoc:

I'm so behind the times

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ThisNewGuy:

:-) – k – thanks

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: mythmetadatalookup is a new application intended to do manage grabber running and database insertion through the jobqueue

[20:28:34]

kormoc:

ahh, nice

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wagnerrp:

so just like you would trip off a commercial detection run when a recording starts, you can run one of these

[20:29:04]

Beirdo:

wagnerrp: one thing that would be nice for the queue, BTW... be nice to individually limit each type of job

[20:29:22]

Beirdo:

so say... I can do 4 commflags at once, or 8 metadatalookup

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Beirdo:

not sure how to mix though :)

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kormoc:

why not just give each job task a 'cost'

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: it is going to have a modular scheduler that manages runs across one or more hosts

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kormoc:

so a commflag is cost of 1, a metadata lookup is a cost of .5 and you say you can run upto 4 points at once

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wagnerrp:

right now, theres just a dumb fair scheduler in place

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Beirdo:

kormoc: I like that idea :)

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wagnerrp:

stuff runs in order, round robin, until a host will accept no more jobs

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Beirdo:

yup

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wagnerrp:

what i was planning was to mark jobs as disk or cpu intensive

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Beirdo:

I understand how it works now, just saying as a future enhancement, something to ponder.

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wagnerrp:

one host would get one CPU intensive job at a time (or more if there was free CPU)

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wagnerrp:

and one disk would get one disk intensive job at a time

[20:32:24]

wagnerrp:

interfacing with the recording scheduler to keep the load on recording disks light

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Beirdo:

yeah.

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Beirdo:

the metadata ones are neither CPU nor disk intensive though, AFAIK :)

[20:33:04]

wagnerrp:

right, so they would flood up to the system limit

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Beirdo:

well, I guess with the XSLT issue, more CPU-intensive

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wagnerrp:

anyway, i am planning some form of autoscaling

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Beirdo:

sweet

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wagnerrp:

but i dont intend to do manual weighting of tasks

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Beirdo:

well, we can't let ourselves go down the rabbit-hole of allowing TOO much configurability.

[20:35:19]

wagnerrp:

i actually have some grandiose plans of tracking wall and system time for jobs, to make the scaling on CPU intense tasks more intelligent

[20:35:26]

wagnerrp:

and to track which hosts will run which things faster

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Diverdude:

wagnerrp, so do you know how to change the fontsize?

[20:35:39]

wagnerrp:

but... thats a long long way off

[20:35:51]

wagnerrp:

Diverdude: im better its part of the OSD theme

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wagnerrp:

s/better/betting/

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: like a baysian statistical analysis/ :0

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Diverdude:

wagnerrp, i see, so i need to change the OSD theme?

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wagnerrp:

initially, i would just use it as an ETA for completion, work up to scaling based off it

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wagnerrp:

Diverdude: thats my guess

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kormoc:

How about a quantum reality modeling algorithm?

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Diverdude:

wagnerrp, i see, where o i do that?

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wagnerrp:

in the theme code

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wagnerrp:

or, go into the theme chooser, choose another one, see if the font changes

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Diverdude:

wagnerrp, UI-theme?

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Diverdude:

or menu-theme

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wagnerrp:

UI theme

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Diverdude:

wagnerrp, it did not help

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Diverdude:

i changed UI theme

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Diverdude:

but still etremely small fonts

[20:42:08]

Diverdude:

omg, why is there not just a font selection in the menu....how hard can it be

[20:42:19]

Diverdude:

incredible

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wagnerrp:

what painter are you using?

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wagnerrp:

not painter, renderer

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Diverdude:

hm i dont know...its QT i think

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wagnerrp:

video renderer

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wagnerrp:

so it would be Xv, opengl, or vdpau (assuming linux)

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Diverdude:

hmm i am not to sure. Mplayer i think

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Diverdude:

ahh ok, Xv then i think

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Beirdo:

kormoc: kinda considering doing ongoing statistical analysis as part of the commflag algorithms should I get to the point of reworking it

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wagnerrp:

wait, wait, wait...

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Diverdude:

its not opengl

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Diverdude:

and there was only 2 options

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wagnerrp:

this is mythvideo, and you are using an external player?

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Diverdude:

wagnerrp, no i am using mythtv

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Diverdude:

i am not using external player

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Beirdo:

as in... on this channel, on 30min shows, the commercials are usually HERE, so weight that area as more likely to contain commercials

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wagnerrp:

you are using the Internal player then?

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Diverdude:

wagnerrp, yeah the internal player

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wagnerrp:

is this high resolution content being displayed on a low resolution screen?

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Diverdude:

wagnerrp, i just thought the internal player was called m-player...i think that is wrong

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Diverdude:

wagnerrp, no the screen has high resolution. its a samsung 46 inch with more than 1200x900 resolution

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jams:

Beirdo- will that require some user input saying "yes there really were commericals here"

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wagnerrp:

is the content 1920x1080?

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Diverdude:

wagnerrp, hmm i am not to sure

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wagnerrp:

try going into the playback profiles, and change it to opengl, rather than xv

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Diverdude:

wagnerrp, you think that will help

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wagnerrp:

when you use xv, you render the text to the video, and then downscale it in the graphics card

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wagnerrp:

when you use opengl, you downscale the video in the graphics card, and render the text straight to the screen on top of the video

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Beirdo:

jams: it would depend on the users editing the cutlist for confirmation, yeah

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Beirdo:

as in an edited cutlist would be given greater weight than detected in future runs

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jams:

makes sense

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Beirdo:

still swirling around in my head :)

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Diverdude:

now i changed to opengl and everything is completely fucked and i cannot switch back

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wagnerrp:

please watch your language

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wagnerrp:

AMD graphics?

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Diverdude:

sorry

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Diverdude:

its just very frustrating

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Beirdo:

take a deeep breath

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wagnerrp:

the UI painter and video renderer are completely different settings

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wagnerrp:

if you changed the painter, which draws the menu UI, just about any modern hardware with proper opengl support can manage the opengl painter

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wagnerrp:

if thats what you changed, and you can no longer see the menus

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wagnerrp:

start mythfrontend with '-O ThemePainter=qt'

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wagnerrp:

if you cant render the theme with opengl, dont even bother trying to render video with opengl

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wagnerrp:

if instead you changed the video renderer as were asked, if by no other way, you can at least just terminate the frontend, and rerun it, returning to the main menu to let you change the video renderer setting back

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Diverdude:

wagnerrp, okay i managed somehow to get it back to default :)

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Diverdude:

i can watch movie again now

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wagnerrp:

what graphics card are you using? what drivers are you using?

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Diverdude:

hmm

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** Beirdo steps on the crickets **

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Diverdude:

its a zotaz z-box

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Diverdude:

a small media computer

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Diverdude:

running ubuntu

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Beirdo:

lspci | grep VGA

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Beirdo:

Diverdude: ^^

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wagnerrp:

are the Z-boxes AMD graphics?

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wagnerrp:

seems they have some AMD, some nVidia, some POS intel

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: Our version is modified for Myth remotefile capability (Storage Groups)

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iamlindoro:

it can't be externalized-- likewise with libbluray

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JEDIDIAH__:

my MAG is just a standard ION dunno about the z-box

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JEDIDIAH__:

looks like there is a variety of zboxes (amd and nv)

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wagnerrp:

and no diver bringing information

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wagnerrp:

the dude is not abiding

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: can you think of any need to have both a '--video' and '--file' for mythcommflag?

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Beirdo:

not really, but I think the internal code treats them differently

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Beirdo:

I was wondering the same thing myself

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wagnerrp:

crazy raccoon in the garbage can

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wagnerrp:

it knocked over he outside can at work, and is camped out in the back of it

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wagnerrp:

barks at anyone that comes in sight of it

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

get the rifle and make yourself a new hat

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wagnerrp:

not so much a garbage can, as a blue 55gal barrel with some refuse

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lwizardl:

anyone around and willing to help me with configuring my dvr box

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lwizardl:

I need help with getting my PVR150 card working for my comcast service. the system I am using has a Nvidia 7200/7300GS video card, a Kworld ATSC 110 DTV card (plan to use that for Antenna later), PVR-150 (using this for comcast cablevision from the RCA outputs on comcast box to inputs on pvr150), ATI RemoteWonder USB remote control, Lirc dual sensor for IR Blasting. Using MythBuntu 11.04 amd64

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lwizardl:

if your located in the usa and use both antenna and cablevision would your channel freq table be us-bcast or us-cable ? I was thinking since my comcast is the main I would use us-cable

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iamlindoro:

there are two frequency table settings

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iamlindoro:

The "default" one is just waht will be chosen if you choose "default" when scanning

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iamlindoro:

Instead, you would use us-cable when scanning cable, and us-bcast when scanning your antenna source

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lwizardl:

k thats what I was thinking but had to make sure

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lwizardl:

and for some reason my system isn't detecting the pvr150 in the settings configure

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iamlindoro:

In truth, the "default" setting for frequency table should probably just go away

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lwizardl:

i'm going to reseat everything

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iamlindoro:

did you recently upgrade to Ubuntu 11.04 or other recent distro?

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iamlindoro:

If so, you need to make sure you have activated the mythbuntu PPA and get to the most recent .24-fixes

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