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| [00:00:15] | skd5aner: | I know I can make other changes – I've used it in the past for xmltvids with a larger list of channels |
| [00:00:22] | skd5aner: | afk |
| [00:00:31] | wagnerrp: | if running trunk, you can use the backend channel manager |
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| [00:21:03] | k-man: | morning all |
| [00:21:07] | k-man: | hows tricks? |
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| [00:31:08] | wagnerrp: | tricks? |
| [00:32:30] | wagnerrp: | as in, turning them? |
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| [01:05:52] | devinheitmueller: | Any HVR-1300, 3000, 4000 users here who cannot get channel scanning to work? |
| [01:07:24] | devinheitmueller: | Crud. Perhaps asking when it's 2am in Western Europe wasn't such a smart idea.... |
| [01:08:05] | wagnerrp: | :) |
| [01:08:47] | devinheitmueller: | I think I finally fixed it, but would be great to get some real users to test... |
| [01:11:53] | iamlindoro: | devinheitmueller: care to share? |
| [01:12:03] | devinheitmueller: | It's a race condition in DVB core. |
| [01:12:22] | devinheitmueller: | Basically, if an app closes the DVB frontend device and then very quickly reopens it, the DVB init routine doesn't get called for the demodulator. |
| [01:12:49] | iamlindoro: | I imagine stuartm et al might be good test subjects, since they're advanced users |
| [01:12:56] | devinheitmueller: | On cards where opening the device resets the demod chip, the device will *never* get properly initialized. |
| [01:13:01] | wagnerrp: | assuming they have such a card |
| [01:13:03] | iamlindoro: | Not sure if any of them have an HVR-* device though |
| [01:13:12] | devinheitmueller: | Yeah, it's all a question of what cards they have. |
| [01:13:30] | devinheitmueller: | It's not *all* HVR-* devices, just those three are known to hit it, and there could be others. |
| [01:13:42] | wagnerrp: | i know stuartm recently bought an S2 card, not sure what though |
| [01:13:44] | devinheitmueller: | (others meaning other cards in general, not specifically Hauppauge cards) |
| [01:14:12] | devinheitmueller: | Gotta love race conditions! |
| [01:17:25] | iamlindoro: | yeah, doesn't sound fun to have tracked down |
| [01:17:48] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: I think I may change the tolerance on fuzzy subtitle matching to 3 if that's okay |
| [01:18:01] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: & = and, that one has thrown it a few times |
| [01:18:08] | wagnerrp: | go for it |
| [01:19:14] | iamlindoro: | All in all I can say I've been productive this weekend-- only thing I have yet to finish is the DB insertion/removal stuff for artwork on recording rules, but I can probably do that in a night next weekend sometime |
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| [01:46:05] | wagnerrp: | kormoc, sphery: can #9426 be closed? |
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| [02:22:13] | noisymouse: | does mythvideo need to be the same version as mythtv to work properly? |
| [02:22:32] | noisymouse: | as in exactly the same version? |
| [02:23:08] | wagnerrp: | as in, it needs to match the same ABI version |
| [02:23:14] | wagnerrp: | ideally, you build it from the same tree |
| [02:23:19] | noisymouse: | how do I check that? |
| [02:23:49] | wagnerrp: | how did you install mythvideo? |
| [02:24:01] | noisymouse: | I emerged it as a package on gentoo |
| [02:24:12] | wagnerrp: | and what version is mythvideo and mythtv? |
| [02:24:46] | noisymouse: | mythvideo 0.23.1_p26407, mythtv 0.23.1_p27077 |
| [02:24:54] | wagnerrp: | those should work |
| [02:25:20] | noisymouse: | well mythvideo wants to upgrade my database |
| [02:25:30] | noisymouse: | and doesn't do anything if I tell it not to |
| [02:25:51] | wagnerrp: | because the last time you used mythvideo was back on 0.22 |
| [02:25:54] | wagnerrp: | (or previous) |
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| [02:26:55] | noisymouse: | I'm not sure... I just emerged it, and I know I haven't used it since the last time I wiped out the sql database |
| [02:27:10] | noisymouse: | would it be safe to upgrade the db? |
| [02:27:43] | wagnerrp: | the mythvideo tables are completely independent from the rest of mythtv |
| [02:27:51] | noisymouse: | ok |
| [02:30:36] | wagnerrp: | Captain_Murdoch: when a client connects to mythbackend as Playback, does it simply block shutdown? or does it reset the shutdown timer? |
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| [03:32:44] | Beirdo: | OK, ice-cream break time |
| [03:32:57] | [R]: | oh, that sounds good |
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| [04:30:20] | Beirdo: | is the warp guy ever on IRC? |
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| [04:31:18] | Beirdo: | !last warpme |
| [04:31:25] | Beirdo: | err |
| [04:31:29] | Beirdo: | !seen warpme |
| [04:31:30] | MythLogBot: | warpme has not been seen here |
| [04:31:35] | Beirdo: | booze is a good thing |
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| [05:01:37] | noisymouse: | mythvideo isn' |
| [05:01:50] | noisymouse: | mythvideo isnt seeing any files, suggestions? |
| [05:09:03] | wagnerrp: | did you tell it to scan for content? |
| [05:12:01] | noisymouse: | just figured that out now |
| [05:12:05] | noisymouse: | thanks though |
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| [09:31:33] | Captain_Murdoch: | wagnerrp, I think it blocks. I didn't think we had an idle timer since that would have to get reset on every command from the FE or else we'd have to have a list of commands to reset the timer if one of those commands came in. |
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| [10:09:14] | justinh: | hahaha FreeviewHD box £30 at Tesco Direct. I bet that's a good un |
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| [14:29:41] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, #9426 I think so |
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| [14:47:49] | sphery: | wagnerrp: the only possible explanation for the behavior there is the one I fixed, but I know nothing about Mac OS, and no one seemed to respond when I suggested the change--so I made it, anyway (because it made sense), and never heard anything about it (good or bad) |
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| [14:50:22] | sphery: | ah, plus it seems that stuarta fixed something else (so mine was only related to a couple comments on there) |
| [14:50:37] | sphery: | so, yeah, makes sense for it to be closed/fixed by stuarta's |
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| [14:59:11] | wagnerrp: | sphery: you having any problems with the 'new message' popup in thunderbird 5? |
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| [15:05:52] | sid3windr: | thunderbird 5, firefox 7 |
| [15:05:53] | sid3windr: | seriously |
| [15:05:56] | sid3windr: | where are they going with this |
| [15:06:02] | sid3windr: | trying to beat IE9 and Chrome 12? |
| [15:06:06] | wagnerrp: | no, just ff5 |
| [15:06:20] | sid3windr: | well I just read about ff7 beta in another channel :p |
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| [15:06:49] | wagnerrp: | theyre developing ff6 and its not to any stage of release, there is no ff7 beta (yet) |
| [15:07:09] | sid3windr: | hmm |
| [15:07:26] | sid3windr: | < zeveroare> Mozilla hevelt Firefox 7 dinsdag over naar het Aurora-testkanaal. In deze builds heeft de browserbouwer flink gesleuteld [...] |
| [15:07:38] | sid3windr: | "Mozilla is moving Firefox 7 to the aurora test channel on tuesday" |
| [15:07:51] | sid3windr: | (didn't check the source though) |
| [15:07:56] | sid3windr: | just spewing on irc ;> |
| [15:08:18] | wagnerrp: | maybe they mean 6 |
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| [15:21:13] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, nightly.mozilla.org is builds of FF7 currently |
| [15:21:30] | wagnerrp: | well then where is FF6? |
| [15:21:42] | wagnerrp: | this whole thing is just completely f--d up |
| [15:22:23] | kormoc: | FF6 is in non-active development mode to stabilize for release |
| [15:22:40] | kormoc: | yes, yes it is |
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| [15:26:23] | sid3windr: | hehe |
| [15:26:29] | sid3windr: | so there IS a 7 :) |
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| [16:13:12] | abqjp: | http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/9901 So, he is upset that he can't upgrade the software without upgrading the hardware? |
| [16:15:14] | sphery: | wagnerrp: new message popup? like a desktop notification thing? I haven't noticed it--perhaps disabled since I have no DE (though my WM uses the freedesktop standards for notificationsa and such...) |
| [16:15:47] | sphery: | abqjp: yeah, that's a FRWOFTM |
| [16:15:53] | wagnerrp: | closing momentarily |
| [16:15:55] | sphery: | (Feature Request Without Full-Time Maintainer) |
| [16:16:20] | sphery: | "not being able to upgrade to the latest myth makes me feel angry" |
| [16:16:27] | sphery: | heh |
| [16:17:14] | sphery: | people seem to think that once you have code, you're done--so if someone submits a patch, we can maintain support for XvMC forever... But it's the maintenance that's the hard part |
| [16:17:44] | sphery: | and since even the driver vendors aren't supporting xvmc, anymore, why should we |
| [16:19:58] | wagnerrp: | bah, closed before i could get to it |
| [16:20:50] | sphery: | heh, good close message, though |
| [16:25:38] | wagnerrp: | eta for a mailing list rant |
| [16:25:39] | wagnerrp: | ? |
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| [17:38:45] | wagnerrp: | anyone know if IR works on the hvr-2250? |
| [17:39:13] | wagnerrp: | wiki says no... |
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| [17:43:41] | GlemSom: | except for using ndb – are there any ways of using the DVD in the backend... when having a diskless frontend (and no DVD drive ofc...) ? |
| [17:43:59] | wagnerrp: | its in the plans, but not at this time |
| [17:44:02] | GlemSom: | Talking here about using the Internal player to play the DVD |
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| [17:45:39] | wagnerrp: | the plan is that local access to content and drives be removed from the frontend all together |
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| [17:46:00] | wagnerrp: | and that removable storage and optical drives be served up over mythproto using the new mythmediaserver |
| [17:46:20] | wagnerrp: | (if theres not already a backend running on that machine) |
| [17:46:27] | GlemSom: | So, removable drives can be on both the frontend and the backend... ? |
| [17:46:48] | wagnerrp: | generally, removable drives would only be on the frontend (or a combo machine) |
| [17:47:31] | wagnerrp: | theyre removable, so you would want to be able to get at them easily, and not have to go down into the basement or attic or cabinet, or where ever your backend is |
| [17:47:39] | GlemSom: | Well, I would like to get a slimline drive for my frontend (And get a bluray)... But, I don't have the money for it yet... So, would settle for just using the drive in the backend |
| [17:47:41] | wagnerrp: | as opposed to static storage, mounted in your backend |
| [17:53:22] | ThisNewGuy: | hey all – can anyone help me with the new metadata look up stuff? |
| [17:53:53] | wagnerrp: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Enhancing_Recordin . . . adata_Lookup |
| [17:54:45] | ThisNewGuy: | wagnerrp: Some episodes of Top Chef have the same subtitle ("finale") and I was wondering what was the "right" way to indicate that one is from season 1, one is from season 2, etc |
| [17:55:14] | ThisNewGuy: | when I ran the mythmetadatalookup it marked them all as season 4 |
| [17:55:49] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: probably need to put something in there to give up in the scenario there are multiple identical matches |
| [17:56:18] | wagnerrp: | or perhaps since theyre recordings, choose the most recent |
| [17:56:32] | wagnerrp: | (of course it seems to have done just that) |
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| [18:04:52] | ThisNewGuy: | wagnerrp: on a similar note – if I notice that the originalairdate provided by SchedulesDirect is wrong but thetvdb.com has the correct one – is that something that the metdatalookup can help with or do I need to complain to SchedulesDirect? |
| [18:05:23] | wagnerrp: | schedulesdirect simply provide the data given to them by tribune |
| [18:05:39] | wagnerrp: | and tribune in turn provides the data given to them by the stations |
| [18:05:53] | wagnerrp: | if the stations provide incorrect data, not much that can be done about it |
| [18:06:31] | ThisNewGuy: | I've previously complained to SchedulesDirect about bad originalairdate data and they passed on my complaint to Tribune who fixed it |
| [18:07:04] | wagnerrp: | are the shows already recorded? or is this future imformation? |
| [18:07:04] | ThisNewGuy: | but if I know there's a good source (e.g. thetvdb.com) that I can query directly, I'd rather rely on that |
| [18:07:11] | ThisNewGuy: | already recorded |
| [18:07:21] | wagnerrp: | well then complaining wont do a whole lot |
| [18:07:42] | wagnerrp: | i dont know off hand what information the metadata stuff is set up to overwrite, if anything |
| [18:08:19] | wagnerrp: | i know at least the mythvideo stuff will only populate information not already given |
| [18:08:32] | wagnerrp: | so if you write your own description, and then pull data from the grabber, it will not replace it |
| [18:09:07] | wagnerrp: | likely this is set up the same, where it will populate season/episode, artwork, and any other information missing from the EPG |
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| [18:13:41] | ThisNewGuy: | k – thanks |
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| [18:40:26] | Muzer: | GAH |
| [18:40:26] | Muzer: | EIT updating has stopped working AGAIN |
| [18:40:26] | Muzer: | WHY is this happening? |
| [18:40:26] | Muzer: | perhaps it happens when the retune requires you to enter channel numbers because it thinks there's duplicates... perhaps I should keep tuning until that goes |
| [18:40:54] | Beirdo: | Muzer: you need to be a bit more specific |
| [18:41:01] | Muzer: | hmm |
| [18:41:04] | Beirdo: | version of mythtv? |
| [18:41:08] | Muzer: | ah, sorry |
| [18:41:09] | Muzer: | duh |
| [18:41:14] | Muzer: | 0.24 |
| [18:41:28] | Beirdo: | -fixes branch? |
| [18:41:31] | Muzer: | quite frequently after retunes, EIT updating will stop working (it just won't update, and the days will slowly run out) |
| [18:41:31] | Muzer: | yes |
| [18:41:42] | Beirdo: | OK, try updating again |
| [18:41:52] | Muzer: | 0.24.1-20-g7c2c249 |
| [18:41:58] | Muzer: | updating MythTV you mean? |
| [18:41:59] | Muzer: | OK |
| [18:42:06] | Beirdo: | I had && instead of ||, pushed the fix this morning to fixes/0.24 |
| [18:42:16] | Muzer: | ah, great |
| [18:42:18] | Muzer: | I'll give it a go |
| [18:42:20] | GlemSom: | hmm... NBD didn't quite work out.. it needs to be reloaded when a new disk is inserted... And – it's not possible to eject the disk – as it's locked by nbd-server... :/ |
| [18:42:29] | Beirdo: | if it's still not working, let me know :) |
| [18:42:30] | Muzer: | it happened before and I fixed it, but I can't remember how |
| [18:42:43] | wagnerrp: | GlemSom: yeah, its screwy |
| [18:43:10] | wagnerrp: | one of the devs set up a system by which he could access DVDs located in a firewire-attached carousel on his backend |
| [18:43:16] | Beirdo: | well, I have it not starting the scanner unless it's needed, but unfortunately the logic was wonky, and I didn't notice, nor did the person who idiot-checked it |
| [18:43:16] | Muzer: | hmm, how fast is the launchpad one updated? (Yeah, I know, Mythbuntu, ugh :P) |
| [18:43:33] | wagnerrp: | but never went beyond proof of concept because managing NBD was so screwy |
| [18:43:34] | GlemSom: | wagnerrp, really.. ? :O |
| [18:43:36] | Beirdo: | but it seemed to work for the guy who reported the issue last night |
| [18:43:44] | wagnerrp: | yeah, this was a couple years ago |
| [18:43:51] | Beirdo: | Muzer: I think they run nightly, so it should be picked up tonight |
| [18:44:01] | wagnerrp: | actually, like 3–4 of the devs have those players |
| [18:44:15] | GlemSom: | wagnerrp, Well, I CAN get ONE dvd to play.. by loading NBD by hand... But – it's not a wife friendly solution :/ |
| [18:44:19] | Muzer: | hmm |
| [18:44:20] | wagnerrp: | but all of them have instead just bought enough disk space to store all the DVDs on the hard drive |
| [18:44:29] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [18:44:37] | Muzer: | version number appears to say 0629 |
| [18:44:43] | Muzer: | (the date, that is) |
| [18:44:46] | Beirdo: | my carousel is used for ripping CDs, and needs manual manipulation |
| [18:44:59] | GlemSom: | wagnerrp, I don't think the "Import DVD" supports running from the backend DVD drive... = |
| [18:45:00] | GlemSom: | ? |
| [18:45:12] | wagnerrp: | what import dvd? |
| [18:45:25] | Beirdo: | Muzer: sounds right. I just put in the fix this morning. and the previous commit woulda been about then |
| [18:45:58] | Muzer: | ah, I see |
| [18:46:17] | Muzer: | what was the problem, out of interest? I'm just wondering why it would happen... |
| [18:46:22] | Muzer: | (that you fixed) |
| [18:46:30] | Beirdo: | bad logic |
| [18:46:43] | Beirdo: | && instead of || |
| [18:46:48] | Beirdo: | simple mistake to make |
| [18:46:48] | Muzer: | ah, yeah |
| [18:46:51] | Muzer: | you said |
| [18:47:11] | Beirdo: | and bloody hard to find, but not much got changed, so it was my first suspicion |
| [18:47:16] | Muzer: | yeah, I've done that plenty of times, it's very irritating |
| [18:47:40] | Muzer: | (swapping && and || I mean) |
| [18:48:28] | Muzer: | I'll have to remember to update tomorrow... I only have 4 days' of guide info left, at the very maximum |
| [18:48:40] | Beirdo: | OK, sorry about that |
| [18:50:05] | Muzer: | nah, no worries, I'm used to bugs in MythTV – it's still the best software of its kind by far, despite the bugs |
| [18:50:17] | Muzer: | though retuning is the only thing that REALLY gets on my nerves |
| [18:50:34] | Beirdo: | heh, understandable |
| [18:50:36] | Muzer: | I think it's just MythTV hating my tuner card, though, so probably not much that can be done... |
| [18:51:08] | Muzer: | (it quite often for some reason finds random multiplexes twice, and then complains about duplicates and makes me enter the LCNs of about 20 channels) |
| [18:52:16] | Muzer: | and quite often it times out (for some reason), only giving "possible channels" rather than "probable channels" (and MPEG streams rather than DVB channels), which also sometimes causes issues... |
| [18:54:34] | Muzer: | (is that possibly the cause of the problems, rather than the bug that you fixed, Beirdo? I've always been a bit concerned about that...) |
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| [19:06:19] | Beirdo: | dunno |
| [19:06:37] | wagnerrp: | jya: do you still use that IPTV provider? |
| [19:06:45] | jya: | i do.. |
| [19:07:01] | wagnerrp: | ok, just wondering if there were any devs actually using that input on a regular basis |
| [19:07:05] | Beirdo: | they aren't free to the world, are they? (wishful thinking, I know) |
| [19:07:20] | tgm4883: | Muzer, "Mythbuntu, ugh" comments? |
| [19:07:38] | Beirdo: | heck, even *available* to the world for money would be cool |
| [19:07:41] | Muzer: | don't like Ubuntu, just installed it because I wanted something fast :P |
| [19:07:46] | Beirdo: | tgm4883: you do nightly builds, right? |
| [19:07:56] | tgm4883: | Beirdo, yep, if there are changes |
| [19:08:00] | tgm4883: | so yea |
| [19:08:13] | Muzer: | I mean, it's a great distro, but after using Gentoo it seems really limiting :P |
| [19:08:15] | tgm4883: | basically it runs nightly, and if there were no changes detected it doesn't do anything |
| [19:08:15] | Beirdo: | K, just wanted to make sure I had my timing right there : |
| [19:08:17] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [19:08:19] | jya: | Beirdo: no, they are broadcast over UDP multicast on a secondary VPI/VCI |
| [19:08:22] | Muzer: | and the few problems it has always seem to apply to me :P |
| [19:08:34] | jya: | so unique to the dsl provider I use |
| [19:08:39] | Beirdo: | jya: that figures :) was worth asking |
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| [19:09:02] | tgm4883: | Muzer, there isn't any difference between the Mythbuntu mythtv packages and the launchpad mythtv packages |
| [19:09:12] | Muzer: | tgm4883: not complaining about Mythbuntu in particular |
| [19:09:18] | Muzer: | just Ubuntu in general :p |
| [19:09:29] | jya: | it's a bit buggy with the server, the first time I watch it it will fail, the 2nd time is okay |
| [19:09:38] | jya: | server = mythbackend |
| [19:09:51] | tgm4883: | ok, just saying if you have specific complaints and it is something we can fix then we do like to hear about it |
| [19:10:08] | tgm4883: | not saying we will actually change anything, but we will certainly read the report |
| [19:10:09] | Muzer: | tgm4883: nah, the Mythbuntu side actually works better than most things Canonical themselves right :P |
| [19:10:12] | Muzer: | s/right/write/ |
| [19:10:13] | Muzer: | I'm tired :p |
| [19:10:32] | Muzer: | (yeah, none of that Python stuff they write has EVER worked for me, Jockey being the main one) |
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| [19:12:48] | wagnerrp: | jockey? |
| [19:13:09] | Muzer: | the proprietary driver thing in non-Mythbuntu distros |
| [19:13:19] | Muzer: | written by Canonical, I believe |
| [19:13:40] | Muzer: | (maybe it's in Mythbuntu too, but I've had the pleasure of not using it) |
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| [19:14:28] | Muzer: | I last used it when I last used Kubuntu as a main distro, a couple of years back – I tried to use it to install my NVIDIA drivers every single time I got a new distro, but never once did it wor. |
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| [19:28:01] | JEDIDIAH__: | I never had problems with the restricted manager in vanilla ubuntu. never tried the K version though. |
| [19:28:38] | Muzer: | they've just never worked for me – usually crash when looking for drivers or when just about to install it. |
| [19:29:08] | JEDIDIAH__: | you could just use apt-get I suppose. |
| [19:29:28] | JEDIDIAH__: | nice to know that the mythbuntu guys add something. |
| [19:29:49] | Muzer: | yeah |
| [19:30:02] | Muzer: | Mythbuntu works brilliantly for me – I just don't like the distro it's based on :p |
| [19:30:10] | Beirdo: | pfft |
| [19:30:29] | Beirdo: | I use ubuntu server as my base distro... and compile my own |
| [19:30:37] | Beirdo: | it's all in the eye of the beholder |
| [19:31:00] | Muzer: | I don't like the lack of control users get – if you compile your own, you may as well just use Gentoo which gives you much more control :P |
| [19:31:14] | Beirdo: | why the heck would I do that? |
| [19:31:21] | Beirdo: | make. |
| [19:31:26] | JEDIDIAH__: | It's Linux. You can control as little of it or as much of it as you like. |
| [19:31:35] | Beirdo: | much better than using someone else's wrapper |
| [19:31:36] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [19:31:57] | Beirdo: | (hint... I compile like about 2–3 times a day) |
| [19:31:58] | Muzer: | oh, then why not just use LFS which gives you even more control? :P |
| [19:32:20] | JEDIDIAH__: | I bypass the "ubuntu way" of doing things all the time. mainly due to experience. |
| [19:32:21] | Muzer: | JEDIDIAH__: Yeah – it's just harder to get that control on Ubuntu than it is on, say, Gentoo :p |
| [19:32:27] | Beirdo: | regardless of the distro, I'd be compiling exactly the same way |
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| [19:32:37] | JEDIDIAH__: | yes. make is make |
| [19:32:41] | Beirdo: | heck, I compile the same way on FreeBSD |
| [19:32:52] | JEDIDIAH__: | I compile the same way on AIX |
| [19:32:57] | Muzer: | except when they use qmake, or cmake, or scons, or whatever :p |
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| [19:33:09] | jams: | but you don't compile the same way on solaris...nothing compiles the same way on solaris. |
| [19:33:15] | Beirdo: | ummm |
| [19:33:22] | JEDIDIAH__: | that's why you install GNU on Solaris. |
| [19:33:24] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: what if you wrote your own wrappers for gentoo? |
| [19:33:24] | Beirdo: | jams... Solaris is the closest OS to Linux out there |
| [19:33:32] | Beirdo: | for compiling |
| [19:33:45] | Muzer: | Beirdo: ever used Gentoo? It gives you about as much control as giving options to ./configure does (and of course, it's really easy to make your own overlay to add your own patches, if you want that) |
| [19:33:59] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: hehe, I could, but you guys already did. I don't do packaging for things I'm actively developing |
| [19:34:21] | wagnerrp: | Muzer: sure, but often the defaults chosen for packages are screwy, and some options do bad things |
| [19:34:42] | wagnerrp: | and just the same, binary packages get things screwed up |
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| [19:34:47] | wagnerrp: | and users pass bad configure options |
| [19:34:54] | JEDIDIAH__: | actually my first ever source package was on SunOS and it built just like it would have under Linux. |
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| [19:35:21] | Muzer: | yeah, unmasked ebuilds are REALLY well-tested I find |
| [19:35:35] | Beirdo: | that reminds me... I wanted to check something in freebsd |
| [19:35:44] | Beirdo: | let's make that box compile |
| [19:35:49] | Muzer: | hard to screw 'em up |
| [19:37:03] | Beirdo: | Muzer: the difference is.. I'm not an average user. :) An average user would do well with ebuilds or mythbuntu builds |
| [19:38:24] | Muzer: | the point is, Gentoo makes it easy for non-average users to make their own ebuilds (certainly seems much easier than making Debian packages), and of course, you can compile your own stuff with your own patches if you just dislike ebuilds that much :p |
| [19:39:21] | Beirdo: | I'm happy with knowing how to do my own make files :) |
| [19:39:53] | wagnerrp: | im happy being blissfully ignorant of make files |
| [19:40:04] | ** Beirdo watches the blinken-lights on his freebsd box ** | |
| [19:40:19] | wagnerrp: | star wars? |
| [19:40:54] | Beirdo: | drive LEDs during a compile of myth :) |
| [19:41:11] | wagnerrp: | telnet://towel.blinkenlights.nl |
| [19:41:29] | Beirdo: | I know. works better over IPv6, IIRC |
| [19:41:36] | Muzer: | yeah, has colour |
| [19:41:59] | Muzer: | I just cba to get IPv6 addresses, since my ISP doesn't support them yet, and I think getting a tunnel would be a bit pointless |
| [19:42:31] | ** Beirdo caresses his pointless tunnel ** | |
| [19:42:58] | wagnerrp: | pointless, as in theres no end? |
| [19:43:02] | Muzer: | I don't know – do they have any uses? I've always sort of assumed that, other than you being able to connect to IPv6 things, there isn't... |
| [19:43:14] | Muzer: | since you still have an IPv4 address so are still using up space :p |
| [19:43:26] | GreyFoxx: | Tunnels are free (from tunnelbroker.net) and trivial to get working. Plus it gets you ahead of the curve rather than playing catchup later. |
| [19:43:48] | wagnerrp: | it means you can have a dedicated address for any internal machine you may wish to access |
| [19:43:53] | Beirdo: | I only have an IPv4 address as my DSL provider gives me one |
| [19:44:04] | ** wagnerrp has six ** | |
| [19:44:16] | Muzer: | wagnerrp: but then I'd need another tunnel for the other end :p |
| [19:44:22] | Beirdo: | and I can connect to any internal machine directly from work |
| [19:44:25] | wagnerrp: | Muzer: sure |
| [19:44:35] | wagnerrp: | unless where ever you are has native ipv |
| [19:44:35] | wagnerrp: | 6 |
| [19:44:46] | Muzer: | plus I assume I'd need to replace my router with something not horribly locked down :p |
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| [19:44:56] | Beirdo: | why? |
| [19:45:07] | Muzer: | I don't know, I just assumed that would be the case... is it not? |
| [19:45:08] | wagnerrp: | run your tunnel through your mythbackend |
| [19:45:11] | GreyFoxx: | Use your mythbox as the tunnel end |
| [19:45:20] | wagnerrp: | nothing says your tunnel endpoint needs to be the router |
| [19:45:29] | Muzer: | ah |
| [19:45:32] | Beirdo: | use any internal box as teh IPv6 router/endpoint |
| [19:45:36] | Muzer: | ah, I see |
| [19:45:38] | Beirdo: | yah |
| [19:45:52] | Muzer: | I think I get how it works, now... |
| [19:45:59] | Muzer: | I may give that a try, just to see if I find it useful :p |
| [19:46:16] | Beirdo: | it's fun for learning IPv6 before you absolutely need to as well |
| [19:46:41] | GreyFoxx: | I started messing with it last xmas to get ready for implementing it at work |
| [19:46:44] | Beirdo: | and then for convincing work that they need to get with the program |
| [19:46:47] | Muzer: | How hard would it actually be for ISPs to upgrade to IPv6? (Not a rhetorical question, I want to know) |
| [19:46:48] | Beirdo: | aye :) |
| [19:47:11] | wagnerrp: | Muzer: just like your router doesnt support ipv6 |
| [19:47:18] | wagnerrp: | they have tons of equipment that doesnt support ipv6 |
| [19:47:20] | Muzer: | ah |
| [19:47:32] | Beirdo: | yeah, totally depends on what gear they have |
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| [19:47:33] | Muzer: | (don't know if my router does or not, but I assume it doesn't) |
| [19:47:46] | GreyFoxx: | the vast majority of CPE routers don't |
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| [19:48:00] | GreyFoxx: | and will need replacement/firmware updates |
| [19:48:10] | Muzer: | it's the BT HomeHub 2 – and I was appalled when I got it at how locked-down it is :P |
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| [19:48:26] | Muzer: | (doesn't allow you to change the DNS settings!) |
| [19:49:14] | GreyFoxx: | Ewwww |
| [19:49:19] | Beirdo: | GreyFoxx: I think they will just need a trebuchet |
| [19:50:09] | wagnerrp: | Muzer: i dont even have a router, i have a modem |
| [19:50:50] | Muzer: | I have a modem too |
| [19:51:02] | wagnerrp: | i mean they didnt give me a router |
| [19:51:09] | wagnerrp: | its just a network bridge |
| [19:51:30] | Muzer: | ah, and you use another computer as a router, do you, or what? |
| [19:52:02] | wagnerrp: | a little embedded geode machine |
| [19:52:13] | Muzer: | yeah |
| [19:52:34] | justinh: | Muzer: BT have enough on their hands supporting IPv4 |
| [19:52:46] | Muzer: | justinh: yeah, what with Infinity |
| [19:52:54] | Muzer: | (the reason I'm now with them :P) |
| [19:53:04] | justinh: | <3 my cable :) |
| [19:53:04] | Muzer: | I do have a repeater with DD-WRT (actually, that reminds me, I must get around to updating that) |
| [19:53:40] | Muzer: | I love BT/0's upload speed, fastest in the country for a home broadband connection :D |
| [19:54:18] | Muzer: | er, sorry, that's what I use as shorthand for BT Infinity :P (1/0 = Infinity, so BT Infinity = BT/0) |
| [19:54:45] | wagnerrp: | 1/0 = an error |
| [19:54:56] | wagnerrp: | its nothing |
| [19:55:13] | wagnerrp: | its an unreachable asymptote |
| [19:55:21] | Muzer: | don't let's get into an argument like that :P |
| [19:56:02] | wagnerrp: | now if you want to call it "lim(x->0) 1/x"... |
| [19:56:33] | Muzer: | OK, lim(x->0) BT/x then, but that's hardly shorthand :p |
| [19:56:53] | wagnerrp: | well thats what happens when you make up nonsensical names |
| [19:57:11] | Muzer: | :P |
| [19:57:52] | justinh: | just say "still slower than cable internet" :P |
| [19:58:11] | Muzer: | which we can't get here, so it's the best we can do :p |
| [19:58:17] | Muzer: | I heard rumours that they were going to double the speed soon, anyway... |
| [19:58:25] | Muzer: | (anyway, BT Infinity IS FTTC) |
| [19:58:35] | Muzer: | (so it IS cable) |
| [19:58:47] | Muzer: | (just not from the cabinet to your house, that's all) |
| [19:59:24] | wagnerrp: | i thought FTTC was community |
| [19:59:49] | wagnerrp: | meaning they had localized distribution hubs connected by fiber |
| [20:00:00] | Muzer: | ah, yeah, that sounds about right :p |
| [20:00:03] | wagnerrp: | rather than copper all the way to a central location |
| [20:00:16] | Muzer: | but isn't that also what Virgin Media does? |
| [20:00:19] | Muzer: | they don't have FTTH |
| [20:00:25] | wagnerrp: | thats what most people do |
| [20:01:00] | wagnerrp: | stuff like DSL is of little worth at a distance |
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| [20:01:43] | wagnerrp: | and the larger your cable domains, the more the bandwidth and VOD channels are spread out, and the less each person gets |
| [20:01:47] | Muzer: | well, when not using BT Infinity or VM, it's copper all the way to the exchange |
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| [20:02:38] | wagnerrp: | yes, and those exchanges keep moving closer and closer to support higher and higher speed DSL |
| [20:02:51] | wagnerrp: | so they run fiber to the exchange, which is now in your community |
| [20:02:58] | wagnerrp: | i.e. FTTC |
| [20:03:03] | Muzer: | C = cabinet, isn't it? |
| [20:03:18] | wagnerrp: | cabinet would mean a box on the side of your home |
| [20:03:20] | Muzer: | it's not really an exchange as it only does DSL, not the whole PSTN thing |
| [20:03:22] | wagnerrp: | which would be FTTH |
| [20:03:33] | Muzer: | no, a box on the street somewhere is what cabinet means :p |
| [20:03:33] | wagnerrp: | its a DSLAM |
| [20:03:47] | Muzer: | yeah |
| [20:03:57] | Muzer: | that's what they're called, it's been a while since I looked at telecom stuff |
| [20:04:30] | justinh: | Muzer: nah, VM is fibre to street cabinets just the same as BT, but coax to the house. Coax trumps unscreened twisted pair :D |
| [20:05:00] | Muzer: | yeah |
| [20:05:02] | Muzer: | indeed |
| [20:05:24] | wagnerrp: | sure, but theyre both good for FAR FAR more bandwidth than theyll ever give you |
| [20:05:34] | justinh: | read before GPO was privatised there was enough spare cash to haul fibre up everybody's front path :-\ |
| [20:05:48] | Muzer: | wagnerrp: lol, what fantasy world do you live in? :P |
| [20:06:07] | justinh: | I was testing some lame IP over coax junk today |
| [20:06:20] | justinh: | 22mbits one way. 3.5 the other way |
| [20:06:39] | Muzer: | I'm only a few hundred metres from my cab and my speed is limited by distance rather than by bandwidth caps |
| [20:06:58] | justinh: | all at the same time as composite video :) |
| [20:07:09] | justinh: | yeah the wires get wet :P |
| [20:07:10] | Muzer: | about 8 up here :p |
| [20:08:05] | wagnerrp: | Muzer: gigabit ethernet is dirt cheap, and its rated for 100m on UTP |
| [20:08:08] | justinh: | who needs fast upload speed? |
| [20:08:12] | wagnerrp: | you can get 100mbit to run much further |
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| [20:08:45] | Muzer: | wagnerrp: and they're not using CAT5 :p |
| [20:08:49] | justinh: | wagnerrp: yeah but not with 100 year old cable with lord knows how many joins ;) |
| [20:08:52] | wagnerrp: | HDMI is almost 9gbit, and can be run over 250m on cat6 UTP |
| [20:09:07] | justinh: | wagnerrp: only with signal conditioning |
| [20:10:34] | wagnerrp: | so they spend thousands of dollars on fiber interconnects in this box, and can shell out for some decent copper gear to connect to it? |
| [20:11:02] | Muzer: | well, they'd have to pull up the roads and paths to everybody's house |
| [20:11:11] | iamlindoro: | sigh, linux really needs a new logo/mascot |
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| [20:11:12] | Muzer: | rather than just having to pull up one road to each cabinet :p |
| [20:11:31] | justinh: | iamlindoro: no love for the stupid tux then? ;) |
| [20:11:33] | iamlindoro: | looking at the linux logo next to the windows and OS X logos on this high end GPU in front of me, it's embarrassing |
| [20:11:40] | iamlindoro: | yeah, stupid tux |
| [20:11:42] | wagnerrp: | didnt they have to do that to get DSL to run in the first place? |
| [20:11:53] | wagnerrp: | i didnt think that stuff did well over old junk wiring |
| [20:11:53] | justinh: | tux looks like a penguin who had a stroke |
| [20:12:05] | iamlindoro: | Nothing says take me seriously like a fat penguin and plain Times new Roman "Linux" |
| [20:12:34] | justinh: | somebody just has to come up with something better & get people on side :) |
| [20:12:40] | justinh: | shouldn't be hard |
| [20:12:54] | justinh: | although you run the risk of the whole of linux forking |
| [20:13:09] | justinh: | the 1st holy war |
| [20:13:09] | Muzer: | wagnerrp: nah |
| [20:13:13] | iamlindoro: | Like it's possible to get the loser kernel devs on board with anything |
| [20:13:23] | iamlindoro: | let alone dumping their retarded flightless bird |
| [20:13:27] | Muzer: | DSL runs decently over copper |
| [20:13:36] | Muzer: | (by "decently" I mean "well enough so that they don't tear up every road") |
| [20:14:52] | Muzer: | though they did have to run more lines to some villages because of DSL being always-on (previously they used some clever switcher boxes for some places, the name of which I've forgotten, that switched the lines in and out when needed) |
| [20:15:37] | Muzer: | and it's crap over aluminium so a lot of that was, or will be, replaced with copper |
| [20:17:54] | wagnerrp: | i dont know why you would bother running new copper now |
| [20:18:44] | justinh: | wagnerrp: under our pavements there's no conduit for telecoms |
| [20:19:14] | wagnerrp: | justinh: if youre going to have to run something, why not run fiber |
| [20:19:24] | justinh: | there's been talk of allowing the pulling of fibre overhead to houses from street poles |
| [20:19:48] | justinh: | wagnerrp: nobody likes their street being dug up. catch-22 |
| [20:20:05] | justinh: | wagnerrp: have you ever seen a 'well maintained' British pavement? |
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| [20:20:30] | wagnerrp: | havent been over there in like 12 years |
| [20:20:34] | wagnerrp: | so i dont recall |
| [20:20:44] | justinh: | they're not very flat |
| [20:21:31] | justinh: | electric company came & fitted new cabling. dug up the path & filled it in. couple of weeks later the water co replaced pipework.. filled it all in again.. then the gas company.... |
| [20:21:49] | wagnerrp: | haha, nothing like coordination |
| [20:22:03] | dekarl: | wagnerrp: in eastern germany we have been replacing fibre with copper to run DSL instead of just putting media converters on them because the telecom company way to stupid to get good deals :( (so fibre in, copper in, finaly notice that fibre wasn't so bad after all) http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optische_Anschlussleitung |
| [20:22:13] | justinh: | it's to do with local authority planning laws I think |
| [20:22:34] | wagnerrp: | dekarl: theyve been pulling out the fiber, rather than just leaving it there? |
| [20:22:45] | justinh: | they don't even allow running fibre in utility pipes yet |
| [20:23:01] | justinh: | there's been talk of that too |
| [20:23:13] | dekarl: | no, not even german monopolists are that stupid. |
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| [20:23:30] | justinh: | talk about a cheap way to get everybody fibre :-) Like google planned :P |
| [20:24:54] | dekarl: | my fault on the wording. They spread fibre all over the country post-cold-war then DSL came around and the fibre was to modern, so they dug up everything again and put in copper. |
| [20:26:45] | justinh: | I always thought it'd be nice where there's no existing infrastructure – just put in whatever's new at the time. No legacy, so you get the best there is now |
| [20:27:45] | Muzer: | like in many African countries, who just skipped landline and went straight onto making a very solid 3G network |
| [20:28:40] | wagnerrp: | sure, but 3G sucks |
| [20:31:10] | Muzer: | yeah, it is pretty slow in comparison to 4G :P |
| [20:31:18] | wagnerrp: | 4g sucks too |
| [20:31:19] | Muzer: | but before Infinity it was faster than my home broadband :P |
| [20:31:38] | Muzer: | (though I couldn't get 3G in my home) |
| [20:38:41] | Beirdo: | just wait until we have 6G |
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| [21:03:14] | justinh: | just wait til we can't receive any OTA TV cos the government sold off all the spectrum! |
| [21:04:09] | Muzer: | nah, they're only selling off the top band |
| [21:04:20] | Muzer: | more to worry about is that Arqiva have squeezed a NINTH stream out of Mux C |
| [21:04:37] | Muzer: | I mean, it's a 16QAM mux and they've got 9 video streams on it... it looks awful :p |
| [21:06:38] | Muzer: | that's 9 video streams in 18.096Mb/s |
| [21:08:04] | Muzer: | though yeah, selling off spectrum will be a problem if you live very near to a future 4G transmitter and much further from your TV transmitter – in which case you'll need to fit a badpass filter to the aerial |
| [21:08:08] | Muzer: | *bandpass |
| [21:19:17] | justinh: | have to be a pretty tight filter though |
| [21:25:07] | Muzer: | nah, just filter everything over about channel 62 IIRC |
| [21:25:18] | Muzer: | would cover it |
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| [22:01:03] | jhp: | Hi everyone. How do I create a group of channels that is only visible for life viewing after entering a pin code and where the recordings are also only visible after entering a pin code. |
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| [22:34:01] | Shadow__X: | wagnerrp: just a fyi i decided to go with a lsi 9211–8i 2 Gb/s 8087 ports and basically support for every os including esxi and with neweggs coupon it brings the card down to 200 bucks + tax |
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| [22:40:24] | Twiggy2cents: | I flew my rc airplane for the 5th time ever into a tree 35 feet in the air and it's stuck. FUUUUUUUUUUU |
| [22:42:44] | GreyFoxx: | hehe I'm thinking about picking up an RC plane myself. My daughter and I love playing with her helicopter and both want to get into planes |
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| [22:44:52] | Beirdo: | Twiggy2cents: better get climbin |
| [22:46:17] | Shadow__X: | hit it with a frisbee :) |
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| [22:46:33] | Beirdo: | throw a cat up there |
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| [22:47:44] | Beirdo: | have to train it to grab the plane with its claws for best results |
| [22:48:12] | Shadow__X: | i like beirdos idea better |
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| [22:50:09] | Beirdo: | cats have more uses than just sleeping on your head at night, after all |
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| [22:57:09] | iamlindoro: | More than being delicious with some Steak sauce? |
| [22:59:14] | Twiggy2cents: | I threw a basket ball at it for like 30 minutes. It felt like a 20lb medicine ball after I was done. I also tried climbing it. This tree isnt very climbing friendly, I made it about 10 feet. I am trying to round up a neighbor that has a tall ladder and a truck. I think the combination should work... I hope |
| [22:59:33] | Twiggy2cents: | Otherwise I have a $150 ornament until the next windstorm. |
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| [23:06:11] | wagnerrp: | Twiggy2cents: youre using it out on the street? |
| [23:06:28] | wagnerrp: | no big open fields? |
| [23:09:29] | wagnerrp: | 1.5TB for $55 |
| [23:09:36] | wagnerrp: | good price for a 7200RPM non-green drive |
| [23:09:50] | wagnerrp: | but amusingly enough, it just seems.... small |
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| [23:17:09] | hoolio: | why do you say non-green? |
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| [23:18:09] | iamlindoro: | because WD Green drives behave in a way unique among all drives |
| [23:20:01] | wagnerrp: | in addition to them all being 5200–5900rpm drives |
| [23:21:42] | wagnerrp: | what i was alluding to was that all the inexpensive drives are low RPM |
| [23:21:49] | wagnerrp: | its rare to find a 7200rpm drive for that cheap |
| [23:22:26] | hoolio: | unique how so? |
| [23:22:27] | hoolio: | i ask because i have a wd green 2tb in my backend |
| [23:22:35] | hoolio: | (that sounds odd) |
| [23:22:47] | wagnerrp: | hoolio: specifically, the WD greens park after 8 seconds of idle |
| [23:23:32] | hoolio: | okay |
| [23:23:40] | wagnerrp: | so depending on your usage behavior, that can result in significantly high wear |
| [23:23:50] | wagnerrp: | as you continually park and unpark the heads |
| [23:23:55] | hoolio: | yep |
| [23:24:07] | wagnerrp: | theyre only rated for a some tens of thousands of such maneuvers |
| [23:24:15] | wagnerrp: | and if youre writing logs a couple times a minute |
| [23:24:22] | wagnerrp: | you can hit that in a matter of a few months |
| [23:24:49] | hoolio: | does that metric get counted via SMART? |
| [23:24:53] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [23:25:09] | hoolio: | ok, i'll check it out |
| [23:25:11] | hoolio: | ta |
| [23:25:43] | Twiggy2cents: | wagnerrp, nope it was in an open lot. Turns out a big lot is still not big enough to fly a plane. |
| [23:25:58] | wagnerrp: | not when there are a bunch of trees around |
| [23:26:04] | Twiggy2cents: | Good news though, I retrieved it with a ladder and a 10ft piece of trim |
| [23:26:08] | wagnerrp: | you need a drogue chute |
| [23:26:19] | wagnerrp: | get into trouble, cut the engine and deploy the chute |
| [23:26:27] | Twiggy2cents: | Bad news is that I broke the nose cone and have to frankenstien it back together. |
| [23:26:42] | Twiggy2cents: | Yeah the trees were around the area. |
| [23:26:50] | wagnerrp: | the engine cowling or the propeller cone? |
| [23:27:52] | wagnerrp: | usually the 'nose cone' is a solid chunk of aluminum you screw into the crank shaft to keep the propeller in place |
| [23:28:06] | wagnerrp: | i seriously doubt you borke that |
| [23:28:24] | Twiggy2cents: | The styrofoam body, the nose cone is plastic and attaches to the styrofoam body |
| [23:28:35] | Twiggy2cents: | It is a smaller plane |
| [23:28:43] | wagnerrp: | so, the engine cowling |
| [23:28:46] | wagnerrp: | or is it a pusher? |
| [23:29:12] | Twiggy2cents: | No its a puller, the body is all one piece. Then the engine goes in front and then the plastic nose cone then prop |
| [23:29:24] | Twiggy2cents: | I broke the styrofoam that the nose cone attaches to |
| [23:30:02] | wagnerrp: | the nose cone attaches to the crank shaft |
| [23:30:07] | wagnerrp: | you broke the cowling |
| [23:30:23] | wagnerrp: | or you broke the structure of the plane itself |
| [23:30:35] | Twiggy2cents: | The structure of the plane itself |
| [23:30:59] | wagnerrp: | ok, so the front structure of the aircraft that the engine mount attaches to |
| [23:31:07] | Twiggy2cents: | http://secure.hobbyzone.com/HBZ4800.html |
| [23:31:35] | wagnerrp: | the area right under the windshield |
| [23:32:05] | Twiggy2cents: | Kinda, its actually inside the nose cone where it broke off |
| [23:32:54] | wagnerrp: | im saying the nose cone is the cap that holds the propeller to the engine |
| [23:33:08] | Twiggy2cents: | Yeah, wrong terminology] |
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| [23:35:13] | wagnerrp: | the 'nose cone' is this tiny silver 'cone' out past the propeller... http://www.wagnerrp.com/aero2006/aircraft_des . . . DSC00621.JPG |
| [23:35:20] | Twiggy2cents: | actaully the transmission is mounted to a piece of plastic that is glued to the body.. It came unglued. A little CA glue should help\ |
| [23:36:14] | wagnerrp: | 7 ounces... its so light |
| [23:36:40] | Twiggy2cents: | Yeah it is a beginner one. It broke from blunt force trauma from a basketball |
| [23:36:53] | Twiggy2cents: | I have wrecked it a lot and it survived all those times |
| [23:37:07] | wagnerrp: | the thing in the picture broke from blunt force trauma with the ground... twice |
| [23:38:19] | Twiggy2cents: | Lol which part |
| [23:38:32] | wagnerrp: | the fuselage |
| [23:38:45] | Twiggy2cents: | Ohh. That is one mega expansion pipe |
| [23:38:59] | wagnerrp: | first time we popped the glow plug and couldnt quite make it back to the landing strip |
| [23:39:12] | wagnerrp: | buckled the fuselage fore and aft of the wing box |
| [23:39:35] | Twiggy2cents: | I have yet to make a successful landing. I also have yet to take it to the model air field |
| [23:39:52] | wagnerrp: | second time, we had the weight balanced wrong (nose heavy), and couldnt pull through a turn |
| [23:41:08] | wagnerrp: | 10lbs empty, 14lbs after the fuselage was repaired with a mass of resin, carbon fiber rods, and threaded packing tape |
| [23:41:15] | wagnerrp: | 55lbs loaded |
| [23:43:26] | wagnerrp: | we were getting around 3.5HP and 20lbs of thrust out of that thing |
| [23:43:41] | Twiggy2cents: | That is crazy! |
| [23:43:53] | wagnerrp: | empty, it would take off in its own length |
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| [23:44:51] | Twiggy2cents: | empty? Do you haul cargo? Or a LOT of fuel? |
| [23:45:01] | wagnerrp: | big bars of lead |
| [23:45:18] | Twiggy2cents: | why? |
| [23:45:22] | wagnerrp: | competition |
| [23:45:33] | Twiggy2cents: | Oh |
| [23:48:58] | Twiggy2cents: | You keep adding weight and try to perform the same course? |
| [23:48:59] | wagnerrp: | it was decidedly more than $150 |
| [23:49:03] | Twiggy2cents: | lol for sure |
| [23:49:25] | wagnerrp: | would have been tens of thousands if student labor was of any worth |
| [23:49:29] | Twiggy2cents: | I had a nitro car and all these little cheap things add up. I imagine that monster is a money pit |
| [23:49:41] | wagnerrp: | but i think it ended up being like $2500 in materials |
| [23:50:17] | wagnerrp: | we had a maximum takeoff weight of 55lbs, a maximum engine of 0.91ci |
| [23:50:20] | wagnerrp: | and that was it... |
| [23:50:25] | Twiggy2cents: | I would be incredibly upset to stick that in a tree |
| [23:50:45] | wagnerrp: | pretty much no rules besides those |
| [23:51:16] | Twiggy2cents: | Wow. Is 2 stroke more preferred than 4 stroke when it comes to flying? |
| [23:51:27] | wagnerrp: | just make as much of that 55lbs payload as possible |
| [23:51:49] | wagnerrp: | 2-stroke engines are considerably less efficient than 4-stroke |
| [23:52:04] | wagnerrp: | however, they are far simpler, and had a much higher power to weight ratio |
| [23:52:39] | wagnerrp: | so if you want light or simple, and dont care too much about range |
| [23:52:42] | wagnerrp: | get a 2-stroke |
| [23:53:00] | wagnerrp: | plus that big pipe, 2-stroke engines benefit considerably from a tuned exhaust |
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| [23:54:09] | wagnerrp: | you size the length of the exhaust, such that you get a resonant pressure wave that oscillates in unison with your piston |
| [23:55:24] | wagnerrp: | if done properly, it causes low pressure to help evacuate the exhaust from the piston, and then high pressure to give added compression |
| [23:55:43] | wagnerrp: | sort of like a passive turbocharger |
| [23:56:47] | wagnerrp: | also, since you have no valves or cams to worry about in a 2-stroke, you can operate at much higher RPM than a 4-stroke |
| [23:57:00] | Twiggy2cents: | Yeah it modifies the scavenging properties of the exhaust. Smaller is more rev power larger is more low end. |
| [23:58:27] | wagnerrp: | hours breaking that engine in and tuning the exhaust, sputtering unburned oil out at 300F |
| [23:58:36] | wagnerrp: | i didnt have any finger prints for a good month after that |
| [23:58:48] | Twiggy2cents: | lol |
| [23:59:07] | Twiggy2cents: | I imagine that is a lot of trial and error? |
| [23:59:23] | Twiggy2cents: | Can you tell a difference in running power on the ground verses in flight? |
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