| Saturday, June 25th, 2011, 00:00 UTC | ||
| [00:00:42] | Twiggy2cents: | I might just up the distro when it comes time. Nobody told me till it was too late that I shouldnt mix distros and use repo mythtv until I had issues. |
| [00:00:58] | wagnerrp: | mix distros? |
| [00:01:10] | Twiggy2cents: | My FE is fedora and my BE is ubuntu |
| [00:01:35] | wagnerrp: | so? |
| [00:01:46] | Twiggy2cents: | So rather than a package manager building mythtv, do you guys build it for each update? |
| [00:01:51] | Twiggy2cents: | <--- compiling noob |
| [00:02:15] | wagnerrp: | the only problem with mixing distros is that now you have two systems to learn and suffer through bugs, rather than just a single target |
| [00:02:32] | wagnerrp: | if youre already comfortable with both, then theres no problem |
| [00:02:33] | Twiggy2cents: | When I installed fedora it had a newer mythtv. So I updated the BE. If a new fedora comes out, I wanna try it. I dont care about the BE as long as it runs |
| [00:02:47] | Twiggy2cents: | So I am forced to update the BE distro to keep up with releases |
| [00:02:54] | wagnerrp: | i run a freebsd backend with gentoo frontends |
| [00:03:05] | wagnerrp: | and they have to be compiled and managed independently |
| [00:03:11] | wagnerrp: | ive never found it to be a significant problem |
| [00:06:27] | Twiggy2cents: | So as long as I dont run into a conflict due to an old kernel, could I run the BE off of source and the FE off of the repos (att he same version of course) and work correctly? |
| [00:06:45] | wagnerrp: | should be fine |
| [00:07:24] | Twiggy2cents: | Okay. This is all theoretical. I may just update the distro since it isnt really that much work. |
| [00:07:42] | Twiggy2cents: | Is there any positive to building from scratch? Faster updates? |
| [00:08:40] | Twiggy2cents: | I guess I mean, what are the positives to building from source |
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| [00:40:41] | wagnerrp: | you build the specific version you want |
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| [00:54:08] | sphery: | though if you're not actually patching the source and you're using a distro that keeps up with packaging (like *buntu), there's not much benefit to building from source |
| [00:54:36] | wagnerrp: | sphery: you see any benefit to keeping pages like this... http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Gigabyte_GA-73PVM-S2H |
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| [00:55:24] | wagnerrp: | honestly, there are a ton of 'hardware' pages that really have no relevance to mythtv |
| [00:55:31] | wagnerrp: | besides 'im using this on my backend' |
| [00:56:12] | sphery: | yeah, I don't see it as being that useful |
| [00:56:20] | sphery: | generally, pages like that just get out of date |
| [00:56:30] | sphery: | and, like you said, not really a mythtv thing |
| [00:56:45] | wagnerrp: | oh kormoc_afk... how could you |
| [00:56:47] | sphery: | in general, any mobo should work for mythtv--provided the mobo works |
| [00:57:33] | sphery: | might want to ask stuartm, though, as he edited that page before |
| [01:00:25] | sphery: | "mdean made a change recently that I would like to pick up."... I haven't been doing much of use, lately... wonder what he wants. |
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| [01:07:37] | sphery: | heh, looking back 2 months, I didn't see anything at all I've put in that would be interesting (or even visible) to a user |
| [01:09:00] | sphery: | (other than fixes for bugs that only existed in master--which wouldn't be a reason to upgrade to master) |
| [01:09:36] | sphery: | wagnerrp: btw, got distracted with my "allow users to reset key bindings to defaults" patch, so didn't do the db update |
| [01:09:45] | wagnerrp: | heh |
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| [01:09:51] | wagnerrp: | always something to distract us |
| [01:10:03] | sphery: | I'm at a point where I can't decide how to proceed from here, so I'll be stepping away from that patch for a while |
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| [01:13:37] | sphery: | heh, and having given up on that patch, I think I just figured out how to proceed |
| [01:19:31] | wagnerrp: | apparently some american flew into canada, at which point customs officials searched his laptop, found some manga, and arrested him on charges of child pornography |
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| [01:30:59] | wagnerrp: | sphery: ive probably brought this up before, but what are your thoughts on a shareable channel scan format? |
| [01:31:18] | wagnerrp: | weve got all these channels.conf files on the wiki |
| [01:31:31] | wagnerrp: | and then we tell people not to use them |
| [01:32:04] | sphery: | if it was all built-in to mythtv code, I wouldn't mind it |
| [01:32:30] | sphery: | but not a fan of the idea if we use external scripts, etc. that modify the database (and become out of sync over time) |
| [01:32:42] | sphery: | (or at least could result in users using the wrong version) |
| [01:33:12] | wagnerrp: | im thinking more of done through the bindings, where the bindings would ensure compatibility |
| [01:33:28] | wagnerrp: | if it were directly in mythtv-setup as an alternate scan method |
| [01:33:43] | wagnerrp: | it would be better to set up a proper services page to manage it |
| [01:33:51] | wagnerrp: | rather than fiddle with the wiki |
| [01:36:56] | sphery: | yeah, I think I'd prefer Services API on backend handle it as part of the new HTTP setup, and we could use services.mythtv.org, too |
| [01:37:21] | sphery: | the bindings could then access the services api/setup stuff and provide scripts |
| [01:37:42] | sphery: | (where the script could even browse services.mythtv.org and download and "install" the channels) |
| [01:37:43] | wagnerrp: | why not just have the code access the services API directly? |
| [01:38:00] | wagnerrp: | why bother fiddling with an external script |
| [01:38:10] | sphery: | that would be fine, too |
| [01:38:34] | sphery: | makes sense if we have it in http setup/services api to just provide a full ui for it |
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| [01:50:40] | wagnerrp: | it seems mark cant reply to emails |
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| [02:08:27] | sphery: | I still have to ask him about the mesa "direct rendering" issue... seems I never notice when he's in channel |
| [02:08:45] | sphery: | (likely because he's in channel at my night time) |
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| [04:31:55] | noisymouse: | I'm having segfaults when I try to watch livetv, and I'm wondering if I should downgrade to stable |
| [04:32:08] | wagnerrp: | got a core dump? |
| [04:32:19] | noisymouse: | umm.... what's that? |
| [04:32:22] | [R]: | that's what she said |
| [04:32:27] | wagnerrp: | you cant downgrade, the schema setup doesnt allow for that |
| [04:32:40] | wagnerrp: | when you segfault, POSIX systems generate a core dump |
| [04:32:42] | noisymouse: | well by downgrade I really mean reinstall |
| [04:32:45] | noisymouse: | oh I see |
| [04:32:51] | noisymouse: | ok, where do I look for it? |
| [04:32:57] | wagnerrp: | you can load up that dump file to see exactly what the program was doing at the time of the fault |
| [04:33:05] | wagnerrp: | usually in the mythfrontend was run from |
| [04:33:57] | noisymouse: | what would it be called? |
| [04:34:24] | wagnerrp: | mythfrontend.core |
| [04:35:10] | noisymouse: | oh I have to turn on core files... one sec |
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| [04:39:08] | noisymouse: | ok I have the core dump |
| [04:39:28] | wagnerrp: | gdb mythfrontend mythfrontend.core |
| [04:39:34] | wagnerrp: | and then 'bt' |
| [04:39:39] | wagnerrp: | and pastebin the output |
| [04:40:26] | noisymouse: | ok, http://pastebin.com/kH1pvFaC |
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| [04:40:48] | wagnerrp: | how about 'bt full' |
| [04:40:50] | noisymouse: | I think it isn't quite complete though... maybe I need to turn on some other kernel options |
| [04:41:14] | noisymouse: | it's the same, but it says no symbol table available |
| [04:41:21] | noisymouse: | after each line |
| [04:41:36] | wagnerrp: | is this a package? or did you compile on your own? |
| [04:41:41] | noisymouse: | compiled |
| [04:41:43] | noisymouse: | sort of |
| [04:41:46] | noisymouse: | with gentoo |
| [04:42:16] | wagnerrp: | hmm... ill have to look into the ebuilds to see if theres a way to prevent stripping of the debug flags |
| [04:43:01] | noisymouse: | is that a compile-time option? I suppose I could add debug use for mythtv just for now |
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| [04:45:01] | wagnerrp: | the standard mythtv build script should retain the debug flags |
| [04:45:15] | noisymouse: | yeah, but I think I have -debug in use or something... |
| [04:45:25] | wagnerrp: | its the portage einstall command that is stripping things |
| [04:45:39] | fbnts: | hi, I have just set up a new front end on a Acer Aspire Revo. All seems ok but when I got to play either a recording or a video I get the audio (through the 3.5mm jack) but a blank screen. |
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| [04:46:16] | fbnts: | if I try skipping in the video the onscreen display comes up but the video remains blank |
| [04:46:30] | fbnts: | I am using the nvidia proprietry driver |
| [04:47:06] | [R]: | fbnts: what errors are in the frontend log |
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| [04:48:12] | fbnts: | the only errors I can see are in relation to audio: ALSA, Error: Setting hardware audio buffer size to 6016 |
| [04:48:18] | fbnts: | and ALSA, Error: Error opening /proc/asound/card0/pcm0p/sub0/prealloc: Permission denied. |
| [04:48:39] | fbnts: | without enabling VDPAU it shows: VideoOutputXv: XVideo Adaptor Name: 'NV17 Video Texture' |
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| [04:53:09] | fbnts: | also if I go to additional drivers it says that "This driver is activated but not currently in use" |
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| [04:55:56] | noisymouse: | wagnerrp: I tried recompiling with debug use, but no luck regarding getting a better core dump |
| [04:56:00] | noisymouse: | any suggstions? |
| [04:56:08] | wagnerrp: | not off hand |
| [04:57:19] | noisymouse: | I don't really mind reinstalling... I'll try installing the stable version instea |
| [04:57:36] | wagnerrp: | well reinstalling isnt a problem |
| [04:57:41] | wagnerrp: | the problem is the loss of database |
| [04:57:45] | wagnerrp: | and all the recordings it contains |
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| [05:03:06] | fbnts: | I have just noticed that I don't seem to have the desktop effects either – How do I force it to load the nvidia driver? |
| [05:03:32] | wagnerrp: | so did HBO tell Tom Hanks that if he wanted another documentary, there had to be sex? |
| [05:03:37] | [R]: | rofl |
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| [05:03:54] | [R]: | fbnts: nothing to do with myth |
| [05:04:03] | fbnts: | ah ok |
| [05:04:20] | wagnerrp: | [R]: i mean, its gratuitous... it really doesnt serve any purpose to the story |
| [05:04:30] | Beirdo: | !url analoghw |
| [05:04:30] | MythLogBot: | analoghw: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Analog_Hardware_Encoder_Cards |
| [05:04:38] | Beirdo: | !url digitalhw |
| [05:04:38] | MythLogBot: | digitalhw: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Digital_Tuner_Cards |
| [05:04:44] | Beirdo: | there ya go, sphery :) |
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| [05:05:00] | [R]: | wagnerrp: when does sex, violence, and language have anyhting to dow ith the story? |
| [05:05:08] | wagnerrp: | its like the stargate pilot where full frontal nudity was absurdly added just to appease Showtime |
| [05:05:14] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: what, no framegrabbers? |
| [05:05:25] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [05:05:40] | [R]: | lol |
| [05:05:41] | Beirdo: | gimme the url, and I can add it as lamehw if ya want :) |
| [05:05:57] | wagnerrp: | it you want to produce for Showtime, there must be boobs |
| [05:06:05] | wagnerrp: | its in the contract |
| [05:06:05] | Beirdo: | or arse |
| [05:06:08] | Beirdo: | or both |
| [05:06:42] | [R]: | wagnerrp: i've seen like 6 episodes of weeds |
| [05:06:50] | [R]: | not really impressed with the sideboob they've been giving me |
| [05:06:53] | Beirdo: | it's a fun show |
| [05:07:00] | Beirdo: | you get more than side... eventually |
| [05:07:04] | [R]: | arg |
| [05:07:09] | wagnerrp: | i need to watch that show |
| [05:07:19] | [R]: | its pretty good |
| [05:07:21] | wagnerrp: | no... im thinking of californication |
| [05:07:25] | [R]: | and i'm glad its still going on too |
| [05:07:26] | wagnerrp: | the one with the x-files guy? |
| [05:07:35] | Beirdo: | yah that's californication |
| [05:07:46] | Beirdo: | also plenty of skin :) |
| [05:08:14] | wagnerrp: | im more interested in a character who takes down a jackhole who uses his cell phone during a movie |
| [05:08:32] | Beirdo: | I'm just mad they don't use the Red Hot Chili Peppers song in the credits |
| [05:10:56] | Beirdo: | OK, Red Robin ads are cruel |
| [05:11:00] | Beirdo: | now I want burger |
| [05:12:51] | Beirdo: | wish I knew where I put my stupid needlenose pliers |
| [05:13:20] | Beirdo: | or even the crescent wrench |
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| [05:35:34] | sphery: | Beirdo: nice... thanks |
| [05:43:39] | Beirdo: | no prob |
| [05:45:32] | wagnerrp: | so whats the new syntax? |
| [05:45:43] | wagnerrp: | is that for the '-V'? |
| [05:46:58] | Beirdo: | new syntax? |
| [05:47:15] | wagnerrp: | nevermind, youre doing something other than what i figured |
| [05:47:21] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [05:47:29] | Beirdo: | I took out the usage of -V |
| [05:55:41] | Beirdo: | weird... I had to tell the Dell to switch video from "auto" to "use card" in the BIOS or Linux is hating on it |
| [05:56:10] | Beirdo: | but once it boots... it seems to want to use the onboard for the console |
| [05:56:20] | ** Beirdo scratches his head ** | |
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| [06:05:26] | Beirdo: | frigging weird |
| [06:05:34] | Beirdo: | no, it disables both? |
| [06:05:47] | Beirdo: | ugh! |
| [06:06:20] | Beirdo: | got something rather impolite to say to Intel for that turd of a BIOS |
| [06:07:06] | Beirdo: | heh, watch it have not fired up the VGA port, but only the DVI/HDMI on the card too |
| [06:07:10] | Beirdo: | that would be fun |
| [06:07:26] | Beirdo: | something to fight with later |
| [06:07:39] | Beirdo: | 02:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation GT218 [ION] (rev a2) |
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| [06:34:53] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: you in? |
| [06:34:57] | wagnerrp: | yep |
| [06:35:05] | Beirdo: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371029 |
| [06:35:27] | Beirdo: | whaddya think of that as a replacement for a crappy one in one of my Dell Optiplexes? |
| [06:35:50] | Beirdo: | I need some way to hook up the GTX 550 Ti card :) |
| [06:36:18] | wagnerrp: | does it have enough power? |
| [06:36:22] | Beirdo: | no molex connectors free, no PCIE power connector, and it's a 350W POS |
| [06:36:34] | wagnerrp: | well... im sure its got plenty of power, but it only has one 6-pin connector |
| [06:36:52] | Beirdo: | yeah, I only have one PCIE 16x slot in there |
| [06:37:11] | Beirdo: | and unless I get a more powerful card yet, one is all I need |
| [06:37:12] | wagnerrp: | some cards take multiples |
| [06:37:19] | Beirdo: | yeah, not this one though |
| [06:37:45] | Beirdo: | I should possibly look for a more powerful supply for upgradability though |
| [06:38:18] | Beirdo: | I hadn't thought of that |
| [06:38:55] | Beirdo: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182067 |
| [06:39:12] | Beirdo: | maybe that... I wonder if the crappy blue LEDs are easily disabled |
| [06:39:45] | wagnerrp: | i dont know about rosewill |
| [06:40:19] | Beirdo: | I think I'd be popping that open and snipping LED power pretty quickly |
| [06:40:25] | wagnerrp: | for the same price, i would go for another antec |
| [06:40:35] | wagnerrp: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371026 |
| [06:42:31] | Beirdo: | I was just about to paset that |
| [06:42:56] | Beirdo: | and no ungodly blue glow to overcome |
| [06:44:15] | Beirdo: | the one sad thing is the finely tuned cable lengths that Dell does so well... |
| [06:44:39] | wagnerrp: | clearly you need the porn edition... http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817207016 |
| [06:44:50] | wagnerrp: | its hardcore |
| [06:45:55] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [06:46:04] | Beirdo: | the boinking PSU |
| [06:46:23] | wagnerrp: | hahaha... with 'easyrail' technology |
| [06:47:40] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [06:47:58] | Beirdo: | Amazon has teh antec one for the same price. |
| [06:48:07] | Beirdo: | but it wouldn't be here until Monday |
| [06:48:09] | Beirdo: | hmm |
| [06:48:27] | Beirdo: | in other words, they don't have any in the Seattle warehouse. crap |
| [06:57:52] | Beirdo: | any other brand you'd consider? |
| [06:59:01] | Beirdo: | I have OCZ in my backend box, I kinda line that too |
| [06:59:05] | wagnerrp: | silentpcreview likes seasonic |
| [06:59:14] | wagnerrp: | i think ive got one in one of my machines |
| [07:01:20] | Beirdo: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817341018 might do |
| [07:04:28] | Beirdo: | SeaSonic are pricy |
| [07:04:54] | Beirdo: | but I could see them being quiet, some are even fanless |
| [07:05:15] | wagnerrp: | i recall being told at one point they build antec's PSUs |
| [07:05:26] | wagnerrp: | hence the similarity in design |
| [07:05:50] | Beirdo: | oh? I woulda thought it would be the other way around |
| [07:05:54] | Beirdo: | but cool |
| [07:07:44] | Beirdo: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151093 |
| [07:07:52] | Beirdo: | lower wattage, but could do |
| [07:09:22] | wagnerrp: | in fact, the innards look identical |
| [07:09:30] | wagnerrp: | http://www.circuitremix.com/?q=node/94&page=0%2C3 |
| [07:12:18] | Beirdo: | pretty close other than being realigned for different fans |
| [07:12:24] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [07:12:51] | wagnerrp: | the black one is actually a slightly larger case |
| [07:14:32] | Beirdo: | yup, bottom 120mm fan instead of back 80mm |
| [07:14:51] | Beirdo: | I prefer the bottom fan |
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| [07:21:17] | Beirdo: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139020 |
| [07:21:43] | Beirdo: | I can get that (from Amazon) today (Saturday) |
| [07:22:30] | Beirdo: | too bad it's not modular |
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| [07:43:03] | Beirdo: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817153114 |
| [07:43:11] | Beirdo: | hmm, I could do that |
| [07:43:27] | Beirdo: | Actually, I thikn I will.. and try to remember to send in the scambate |
| [07:43:36] | wagnerrp: | nope, dont do it |
| [07:44:52] | Beirdo: | oh? |
| [07:45:21] | ** wagnerrp has an unbased distrust of thermaltake ** | |
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| [07:46:52] | Beirdo: | ah |
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| [07:47:43] | Beirdo: | well, preferrably, I want something decent... and with a bottom fan... and modular... and that Amazon will deliver tomorrow |
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| [08:15:06] | Beirdo: | I think I'll settle for cheap and here tomorrow |
| [08:15:08] | Beirdo: | http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002G1YPHK |
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| [08:46:43] | wagnerrp: | aaagh.. |
| [08:47:06] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: ive been screwing around with my ipv6 tunnel for the past two days trying to figure out why its not working |
| [08:47:11] | wagnerrp: | i forgot to update my endpoint on henet |
| [08:49:00] | Beirdo: | gah, oops |
| [08:49:27] | wagnerrp: | its really been screwing up my frontend updates |
| [08:49:42] | wagnerrp: | since it runs through each of four ipv6 addresses, waiting for each to time out |
| [08:49:49] | Beirdo: | heheh |
| [08:49:52] | wagnerrp: | before falling through to an ipv4 one for source downloads |
| [08:49:52] | Beirdo: | dang |
| [08:55:32] | Beirdo: | hehehe |
| [08:55:34] | Beirdo: | duh |
| [08:55:39] | ** Beirdo slaps himself ** | |
| [08:55:41] | wagnerrp: | ? |
| [08:55:52] | Beirdo: | my nvidia drivers are too old for the ION |
| [08:56:04] | wagnerrp: | 173? |
| [08:56:05] | Beirdo: | or for the 550 Ti that's going in tomorrow |
| [08:56:09] | Beirdo: | 195 |
| [08:56:16] | wagnerrp: | 195 is too old? |
| [08:56:21] | Beirdo: | I think so |
| [08:56:23] | wagnerrp: | seems odd |
| [08:56:33] | wagnerrp: | 195 would be late 2009 |
| [08:56:36] | Beirdo: | it's not recognizing |
| [08:56:38] | wagnerrp: | atom should have been out by then |
| [08:56:42] | wagnerrp: | ion |
| [08:56:48] | Beirdo: | this isnt a bloody Atom :) |
| [08:56:49] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [08:57:02] | Beirdo: | 02:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation GT218 [ION] (rev a2) |
| [08:57:09] | wagnerrp: | oh, ion2 |
| [08:57:55] | Beirdo: | I think the old ION stuff was 9400M, no? |
| [08:58:01] | wagnerrp: | correct |
| [08:58:14] | Beirdo: | right, so basically what my macbook has |
| [08:58:24] | wagnerrp: | which should have been supported by the original 180.x drivers |
| [08:58:30] | ectospasm: | I've got version 270.29 for my ION |
| [08:58:36] | Beirdo: | except I have a real CPU :) |
| [08:58:39] | ectospasm: | ...but that's the nonfree drivers |
| [08:58:43] | wagnerrp: | or maybe the 185s |
| [08:58:50] | Beirdo: | it's free |
| [08:58:59] | Beirdo: | it's just not open-source |
| [08:59:13] | Beirdo: | I have yet to pay nvidia to use their drivers |
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| [08:59:37] | wagnerrp: | oh? its part of the cost of the hardware |
| [08:59:49] | wagnerrp: | you just get free upgrades over the life of the product |
| [08:59:50] | Beirdo: | and unless you are going to read or modify the code, open-source means squat |
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| [09:00:10] | Beirdo: | and how many of us are going to tweak video card drivers? |
| [09:00:26] | Beirdo: | anyways :) |
| [09:00:34] | wagnerrp: | few of us around here are that clever |
| [09:00:47] | Beirdo: | we'd be likely to fry our GPU cores |
| [09:02:56] | Beirdo: | closed-source but free of charge will do just fine for me |
| [09:03:17] | Beirdo: | for nvidia or ATI drivers... as long as they support em |
| [09:03:28] | ectospasm: | Beirdo: nonfree using DFSG's term... |
| [09:03:49] | ectospasm: | ...which means source code freedom. |
| [09:03:52] | Beirdo: | I don't care what debian freaks term it to be |
| [09:03:59] | Beirdo: | the drivers are free |
| [09:04:06] | Beirdo: | you don't pay, they are free |
| [09:04:10] | ectospasm: | gratis, not libre |
| [09:04:13] | wagnerrp: | theres a reason the rest of the linux community calls debian people a bunch of zealots |
| [09:04:35] | Beirdo: | ectospasm: who gives a <bleep>? :) |
| [09:04:36] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [09:04:53] | Beirdo: | we don't need source for things we will never change |
| [09:04:54] | ectospasm: | well, say that when the commercial provider decides to drop Linux support. |
| [09:05:16] | Beirdo: | nvidia is highly unlikely to do so |
| [09:05:27] | ectospasm: | it's all unlikely, but still possible. |
| [09:05:38] | Beirdo: | so what? |
| [09:05:44] | ectospasm: | you get an anti-Linux "zealot" on the board of directors... and who knows? |
| [09:05:51] | Beirdo: | don't buy their new products |
| [09:05:58] | wagnerrp: | nah, linux is big business for nvidia |
| [09:06:10] | wagnerrp: | probably every bit as big as their windows business |
| [09:06:14] | Beirdo: | even if they have Bill Gates on their board of directors... money talks |
| [09:06:29] | ectospasm: | No, they don't release their drivers as open source because it'd violate NDAs and patents of competitors. |
| [09:06:33] | Beirdo: | and cutting out large chunks of your market is generally considered stupid |
| [09:06:43] | ectospasm: | Beirdo: tell that to Apple. |
| [09:06:53] | Beirdo: | Apple doesn't make video cards |
| [09:06:59] | Beirdo: | or GPU chips |
| [09:07:19] | ectospasm: | Oh, this conversation is limited to GPUs? |
| [09:08:12] | ectospasm: | ...but any hardware vendor could be like Nvidia, they could be like Apple, or they could be like my employer |
| [09:08:32] | ectospasm: | ...releases all source code to hardware adapters |
| [09:08:45] | Beirdo: | yeah, do they make GPUs? |
| [09:09:09] | ectospasm: | nope, this is telephony hardware. |
| [09:09:11] | Beirdo: | the reason that nvidia doesn't do open-source to the core is to protect trade secrets, I would bet |
| [09:09:40] | ectospasm: | Beirdo: right. All the smartness is in the drivers, not in the hardware. |
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| [09:09:51] | wagnerrp: | correct, GPUs are pretty close to general purpose cores these days that all the magic is in the drivers |
| [09:10:12] | Beirdo: | no, but I'm sure there's some magic sauce that they care to protect |
| [09:10:13] | ectospasm: | wagnerrp: no, GPUs are too simple to be like general purpose CPUs. |
| [09:10:22] | Beirdo: | simple?! |
| [09:10:25] | Beirdo: | hahha |
| [09:10:37] | Beirdo: | put down the bong, man |
| [09:10:55] | wagnerrp: | ectospasm: i mean... there is no dedicated circuitry for most tasks a GPU performs |
| [09:10:59] | ectospasm: | A single processor in a GPU is very simple, compared to a single general-purpose CPU. |
| [09:11:08] | Beirdo: | OK, upgraded lucid->maverick.. it brought 260.19.06 |
| [09:11:10] | wagnerrp: | its just a huge array of simple programmable cores |
| [09:11:14] | ectospasm: | ...they get their power through economy of scale. |
| [09:11:39] | ectospasm: | ...they're essentially just a vast vector processing array |
| [09:11:47] | Beirdo: | they aren't particularly simple, there's a lot of complexity to be found to do SIMD |
| [09:12:01] | Beirdo: | and vector-based, etc |
| [09:12:13] | ectospasm: | compared to a general CPU core a GPU core is orders of magnitude simpler. |
| [09:12:16] | Beirdo: | yeah, it's more a buttload of RISC cores |
| [09:12:21] | Beirdo: | no. |
| [09:12:29] | Beirdo: | compared to an x86 core, sure |
| [09:12:43] | Beirdo: | but not compared to "general CPU" |
| [09:13:08] | Beirdo: | we are used to very complex instruction sets, and GPUs are seriously reduced, but so are some CPUs |
| [09:13:16] | wagnerrp: | in any case, nvidia is out of the low end consumer graphics market, and if amd gets their memory throughput issues under control, theyll lose the midrange market too |
| [09:13:17] | ectospasm: | you're being more general than me. It depends on the CPU architecture, really |
| [09:13:20] | Beirdo: | the complexity is in a different part |
| [09:13:34] | wagnerrp: | which leaves the high end consumer market, which is high margin but low volume |
| [09:13:39] | wagnerrp: | and the professional market |
| [09:13:53] | wagnerrp: | which is high margin, high volume, and a significant amount of linux |
| [09:14:37] | Beirdo: | yep |
| [09:14:42] | wagnerrp: | so there is next to no risk of them pulling their linux drivers in the foreseeable future |
| [09:15:59] | Beirdo: | heck, they even provide drivers for FreeBSD |
| [09:16:28] | Beirdo: | [ 34.767] (EE) No devices detected. |
| [09:16:32] | Beirdo: | come on. |
| [09:17:00] | wagnerrp: | hey now, people use freebsd |
| [09:17:03] | ** wagnerrp hides ** | |
| [09:17:06] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [09:17:17] | Beirdo: | but a much smaller market, and they still support it |
| [09:18:28] | Beirdo: | where does teh NoDDCValue go? |
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| [09:38:52] | Beirdo: | interesting |
| [09:38:59] | Beirdo: | stupid computers |
| [09:42:40] | Beirdo: | gah, that's better |
| [09:42:51] | Beirdo: | needed BusID |
| [09:43:10] | Beirdo: | it was trying to start nvidia drivers on the onboard GMA3100 |
| [09:50:04] | Beirdo: | so now the console doesn't come up at all, but X works |
| [09:50:43] | Beirdo: | if I flip the setting in the BIOS, the console comes up on the on-board video card, and then the kernel crashes |
| [09:50:47] | Beirdo: | yay |
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| [10:00:47] | Shadow__X: | still better than optimus support in linux |
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| [10:25:01] | ** Beirdo flings poo at the intel chipset ** | |
| [10:25:52] | Shadow__X: | better in my experiences than nvidia chipsets |
| [10:26:12] | Shadow__X: | thats for 775 boards |
| [10:26:19] | Beirdo: | not by any stretch of the imagination |
| [10:26:39] | Beirdo: | intel onboard crap is often hard to disable, if not impossible |
| [10:26:47] | Beirdo: | because the BIOS is crap too |
| [10:27:05] | Shadow__X: | i just meant the actual chipset not onboard gpu |
| [10:27:35] | Shadow__X: | and yeah on the integrated boards like the g33 the onboard can be a pain |
| [10:27:39] | Beirdo: | well, the GPU is the part that's being a pain in my butt |
| [10:27:50] | Beirdo: | Q35 in this case :) |
| [10:28:29] | Beirdo: | ah well |
| [10:28:33] | Shadow__X: | ah part of my g33 issues is that its a shuttle box and shuttle liked to adjust some things or maybe that chipset in general was picky |
| [10:28:38] | Beirdo: | I think I'll go to bed soon |
| [10:29:04] | Shadow__X: | probably a good idea when you are thinking about resorting to acts that monkeys do regularly |
| [10:29:07] | Shadow__X: | :) |
| [10:29:13] | Beirdo: | just downloading CUDA to the box |
| [10:29:49] | Beirdo: | I put a 1X PCIE ION card in there tonight... will replace the power supply and add a GTX 550Ti tomorrow |
| [10:30:00] | Shadow__X: | i am seeing how high load i can see on my lowly p4 3ghz box (not intentionally,through an actual workload) highest i have seen so far was 11.4 right now its at 7 |
| [10:30:38] | Shadow__X: | ah interesting thing about gpu offloading, my 8400gs was having issues while i was using vdpau slim and watching mythbusters in hd |
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| [10:31:29] | Shadow__X: | it would play the video with jerky motion and when using slim it was fine. Maybe my gpu is on its way out |
| [10:35:53] | Beirdo: | dunno |
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| [10:36:05] | Beirdo: | it being 3:30am, I'm not really fit to think |
| [10:37:05] | enyc_: | ? does mythtv decoding etc. work on ati driver // the amd-fusion gpu ? — is it still best to get a discrete/nvidia? etc. [is there somewhere i should be reading about this?] |
| [10:40:33] | Shadow__X: | enyc_: afaik the only supported gpu offloading is done on vdpau capable cards which are nvidia cards |
| [10:40:59] | Shadow__X: | i am unsure if other types will be supported |
| [10:41:04] | enyc_: | Shadow__X: ok ;-) thanyou and i can looksup vdpau to |
| [10:42:36] | enyc_: | ? when using mythtv mostly for dvb based saving-the-video-stream , where are you likely to lose-out with a ''slower'' cpu, assuming that you have vdpau-display-offloading ? |
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| [10:43:00] | noisymouse: | Hi all |
| [10:44:04] | Shadow__X: | enyc_: the general recommendation is to still have a fast enough cpu to watch content |
| [10:44:16] | noisymouse: | When I have my display running across two monitors, mythtv widens the tv playback box even though I've told it to use a different sized gui |
| [10:45:51] | noisymouse: | is there a way to get it to ignore the virtual display resolution? |
| [10:46:28] | noisymouse: | basically I have 2 HD displays, so it widens the video as though it was going to play across a 3840 px display |
| [10:47:28] | enyc_: | Shadow__X: i see, how fast is needed for playing hdtv anyway? do these atom/bobcat etc work? or do you need a lower-end ''desktop'' cpu? |
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| [10:53:28] | Shadow__X: | unless i am mistaken 2ghz or higher is recommended. On its own an atom will not playback hd content without gpu offloading. so a 2ghz c2d or higher should suffice |
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| [11:52:18] | noisymouse: | mythtv seems to lock up (can't use keybindings) I think because of audio issues – any suggestions? |
| [11:52:33] | noisymouse: | basically it keeps spewing out messages about needing more space on the soundcard |
| [11:53:49] | StevenR: | can you pastebin those messages? |
| [11:55:23] | noisymouse: | well I pastebin a small portion... they go on and on... |
| [11:57:39] | noisymouse: | here is the output http://pastebin.com/CpXZC3h3 |
| [11:57:47] | noisymouse: | that's just a small fraction of the total |
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| [12:07:21] | noisymouse: | ok I got it working with aggressive buffering/advanced audio in general |
| [12:08:28] | StevenR: | cool |
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| [12:31:22] | noisymouse: | so does mythtv support aac audio? |
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| [12:31:50] | noisymouse: | I asked the scanner to pull in radio channels, but I suspect they're using aac and thus myth can't play them |
| [12:33:28] | thecardsmith: | does anyone know a place where i can learn to adjust the overscan with fedora / gnome / nvidia? my display is just too big, i guess this is a modelines adjustment (from what i've read) but i'm not sure where the settings live |
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| [12:34:56] | noisymouse: | there's an option in the frontend in setup->appearance for adjusting the screen corners |
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| [12:42:34] | thecardsmith: | noisymouse: thank you :) this will work perfectly, much appreciated :) |
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| [12:48:24] | niteye: | hello there chaps |
| [12:54:11] | noisymouse: | thecardsmith: yw |
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| [13:56:53] | noisymouse: | is there a way of getting the resolution (1080i/720p) of the current program? |
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| [14:04:15] | noisymouse: | anyone know what's special about subchannel 62351? |
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| [14:13:16] | Gibby: | Any1 know how to rename the SchedulesDirect linues up? I want to make 2 for Dish, 1 with HD and 1 without |
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| [14:30:03] | noisymouse: | will I get buggy results if I put letters in the channum variable? |
| [14:49:55] | Slasher`: | !logs |
| [14:50:06] | Slasher`: | !logging |
| [14:50:09] | Slasher`: | blah forgot the command |
| [14:50:11] | Slasher`: | !url logs |
| [14:50:11] | MythLogBot: | logs: http://irc.mythtv.org/ircLog/channel/1 |
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| [15:31:22] | ovrflw0x: | how is this configuration for a HTPC w/ superb 3D support? http://fpaste.org/Rpxw/ |
| [15:33:19] | tank-man: | what is the price? |
| [15:35:45] | ovrflw0x: | around 1200 USD |
| [15:36:35] | tank-man: | wow |
| [15:36:44] | ovrflw0x: | why? |
| [15:37:24] | tank-man: | I personally wouldn't spend so much on a home pc |
| [15:37:48] | tank-man: | maybe 2 decades ago that would be a normal price :) |
| [15:40:26] | jams: | why do you need 3d support on a htpc? |
| [15:42:51] | ovrflw0x: | so i can watch 3d bluray? am i mistakening something? |
| [15:42:57] | ovrflw0x: | jams: ^^^ |
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| [15:45:55] | ovrflw0x: | jams: ? |
| [15:47:02] | tank-man: | maybe you also need $100 more for Windows to play 3d blurays |
| [15:47:36] | ovrflw0x: | tank-man: how about downloaded 3d content? |
| [15:47:45] | tank-man: | no idea |
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| [15:52:50] | jams: | well i don't know anyting about playing back that type of 3d content. but if this is linux I would really reconsider taht ATI card |
| [15:53:20] | jams: | i should ATI in general |
| [15:53:30] | ovrflw0x: | then which one? it will be windows 7 |
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| [15:56:27] | noisymouse: | is it ok if I put letters in the channum of a station? |
| [15:56:53] | jams: | if windows 7, then my advice doesn't apply |
| [15:57:05] | noisymouse: | this is on gentoo |
| [15:57:07] | noisymouse: | linux |
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| [15:57:22] | Hilikus: | hey guys |
| [15:58:19] | Hilikus: | am i confused or there was an option in the settings before to make myth control ONLY its own volume without touching all the system mixers? all i can find now is selecting the mixer device and choosing Master or PCM |
| [15:58:29] | tank-man: | noisymouse, what could go wrong? :) |
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| [16:04:45] | jams: | Hilikus- thats how it was in .21 it can set the master mixer volume..and also you select between master/pcm for what the volume keys adjust. |
| [16:05:49] | Hilikus: | jams: is it possible to make it adjust some process specific volume? i have other things running in the system and i don't like myth changing their volume |
| [16:08:31] | tank-man: | i think that was a feature in some pulse audio system but I hear a lot of people bitching about it so it probably doesnt work |
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| [16:09:47] | sphery: | Hilikus: only with an "external" volume script--meaning uncheck the box to tell MythTV not to change volume, then set up LIRC or WM key mappings or ... to do volume change on some non-MythTV button or whatever |
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| [16:10:08] | sphery: | Hilikus: disable "Use internal volume controls" |
| [16:10:19] | sphery: | same as it worked in 0.21 |
| [16:10:39] | jams: | or setup two soundcards |
| [16:11:10] | jams: | but then you need two outputs, so not worth the trouble |
| [16:11:27] | jams: | wonder if oss vmix will do that |
| [16:13:34] | jams: | hmm looks like you could do that with oss if you type in the custome mixer control for the mixer device. |
| [16:14:08] | jams: | anyway what sphery suggested is far easier to setup if your using alsa |
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| [16:21:42] | Gibby: | how do i check firmare on hdpvr? |
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| [16:26:18] | jams: | Gibby- what do you mean? |
| [16:27:23] | Gibby: | following the wiki, it says to check firmware level |
| [16:27:45] | Gibby: | think i need to plug it into a windows box, brb have to reboot to windows |
| [16:29:39] | jams: | i think the firmware version will show up in dmesg when the driver is loaded. But if you want to update the firmware connecting to a windows machine is required. |
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| [16:55:50] | Gibby: | hmmm still getting failed to open in mythbackend |
| [17:00:24] | Gibby: | error checking dependicies trying to compile driver .... http://pastebin.com/KPk5tvmV |
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| [17:10:24] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: ever seen this while building on ffmpeg: |
| [17:10:36] | Beirdo: | /var/tmp//ccEJdBUT.s:3319: Error: `(%r9d,%r10d)' is not a valid 64 bit base/index expression |
| [17:10:50] | Beirdo: | it's hitting in libavcodec/vp5.o |
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| [17:26:41] | sphery: | Beirdo: nice work on the command-line-option propagation refactor |
| [17:28:40] | Beirdo: | thanks :) |
| [17:28:50] | Beirdo: | it makes it a heck of a lot cleaner |
| [17:28:57] | sphery: | yeah, looks good |
| [17:29:05] | sphery: | and very DRY :) |
| [17:29:19] | Beirdo: | yup |
| [17:36:06] | Gibby: | the dish guy is here install dish, has no clue what i am telling him todo |
| [17:36:34] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: yeah... 'setenv COMPILER_PATH /usr/local/bin' |
| [17:36:49] | Beirdo: | ahhh |
| [17:36:51] | Beirdo: | thank you |
| [17:37:01] | wagnerrp: | whatever that alternate assembler we use is, you need to specify its location for some reason |
| [17:38:36] | Beirdo: | still doing it |
| [17:38:50] | wagnerrp: | did you install yasm? |
| [17:38:55] | Beirdo: | yes |
| [17:39:02] | wagnerrp: | odd |
| [17:39:24] | wagnerrp: | and i think binutils |
| [17:39:30] | Beirdo: | hmm |
| [17:41:07] | Beirdo: | I think I forgot binutils |
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| [17:41:21] | Beirdo: | http://pastebin.com/yhQ1djNT |
| [17:41:23] | Beirdo: | BTW :) |
| [17:42:31] | wagnerrp: | oh this will only end in tears |
| [17:43:05] | Beirdo: | how so? it's a GPU, and it will be used for GPGPU as the "low-end" one |
| [17:43:13] | wagnerrp: | compiling on an atom |
| [17:43:25] | Gibby: | is there a tuner, that takes coax, i can set to a channel and then use a channel changing script on? |
| [17:43:29] | Beirdo: | the GTX 550Ti goes in today |
| [17:43:33] | Beirdo: | what Atom? |
| [17:43:51] | wagnerrp: | Gibby: sure, but why wouldnt you use svideo? |
| [17:44:00] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: the one that goes with the 'ion' |
| [17:44:11] | Beirdo: | dangit, that's the GPU. |
| [17:44:16] | Gibby: | it doesn't have s-vdieo out :(, that is what i am using now with directv |
| [17:44:38] | Beirdo: | that's what nvidia calls it. It's a 1X PCIE board with a GT218 core that they call ION |
| [17:44:40] | sphery: | wagnerrp: it's an ion – CPU :) |
| [17:44:59] | sphery: | which totally takes the ion = highly-charged atom wordplay out of the marketing |
| [17:45:13] | sphery: | he got a discrete ION |
| [17:45:19] | Beirdo: | and I need to turn the fitpc on and actually compile on an Atom to try out the VAAPI support again though |
| [17:45:42] | Gibby: | wagnerrp, will a pvr-150 work? |
| [17:45:47] | Beirdo: | that will be joyous... just let it run while the world flys by |
| [17:46:19] | wagnerrp: | Gibby: sure |
| [17:46:21] | Beirdo: | trying to remember which of the CUDA tests to play with |
| [17:46:32] | Gibby: | alright cool, got 2 of them already |
| [17:46:41] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: so you actually have a card with a 9400M |
| [17:46:53] | Gibby: | but they aren't showing up anymore, non of my tuners work now, after tyring to compile the driver for hd-pvr |
| [17:47:12] | Beirdo: | no, it's a GT218 core, not a 9400M core |
| [17:47:36] | eddytv: | Anybody know what would cause periodic audio drop-outs while using playback stretch? They're less at 1.1X than at 1.3X, but still present. I tried playback stretch for the first time last night and really like it, but the periodic audio drops (video seems fine) make it less than ideal, especially in terms of WAF. |
| [17:47:56] | sphery: | HDMI or other digital audio? |
| [17:48:01] | eddytv: | HDMI |
| [17:48:08] | sphery: | I'm guessing that's what's causing it :) |
| [17:48:15] | sphery: | (in a general sense) |
| [17:49:48] | eddytv: | So is there anything I can do to improve the situation, or is that "just the way it is"? |
| [17:50:12] | sphery: | eddytv: don't know it would be less common (or gone) with pcm (or if it requires 2-channel pcm stereo, or if it requires analog output), but IME, the more "advanced" your audio format/output, the more likely you'll have audio issues with timestretch |
| [17:50:38] | sphery: | basically timestretch has to modify the audio on the fly--and, especially if you're doing AC-3 out or something--that can be pretty resource intensive |
| [17:50:54] | sphery: | IIRC, you have a pretty useful CPU, right? |
| [17:51:00] | sphery: | are you also using VDPAU? |
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| [17:51:44] | eddytv: | Yes, I'm using the VDPAU normal profile. I checked the load average while the show was playing and it was <0.05 |
| [17:51:57] | sphery: | which cpu? |
| [17:52:06] | sphery: | as all audio re-encode and processing is CPU based |
| [17:53:01] | eddytv: | Celeron SU2300 @ 1.2GHz ] |
| [17:53:16] | sphery: | anyway, I'd suggest playing around with alternate audio strategies (even going so far as to test analog stereo output) and see how "advanced" you can have the audio to avoid the issues |
| [17:53:24] | sphery: | that sounds like it may be the problem |
| [17:53:35] | sphery: | I wouldn't be surprised if that cpu can't keep up with the audio re-encode |
| [17:53:35] | eddytv: | OK, sounds like a plan. Will give it a try. |
| [17:53:51] | sphery: | might want to try going into advanced audio settings and crank everything down |
| [17:54:03] | eddytv: | Even though the load on the box was very low, CPU starvation could still be the problem? |
| [17:54:06] | sphery: | (drop quality for best speed, maybe even go to 2-channel, etc.) |
| [17:54:34] | Beirdo: | anyways, I'll be back. food beckons |
| [17:54:35] | sphery: | load is averaged over too much time to say for sure |
| [17:54:55] | sphery: | but if your cpu is hitting 100% (or close to), it definitely could be |
| [17:54:55] | eddytv: | OK thanks (as always) for the insight! |
| [17:55:11] | sphery: | then again, there are many who know audio much better than I |
| [17:55:15] | sphery: | so I may be way off |
| [17:55:54] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: binutils seemed to be the trick. Thanks again :) |
| [17:56:52] | sphery: | on #9704, how in the world could commflag (which is in a separate process) result in killing the backend? |
| [17:57:20] | sphery: | then again, I have no idea whether it's killing the backend or just borking the network processing on the backend or ... |
| [17:57:52] | sphery: | (and I don't feel like reading the 30 replies from various users (potentially with various problems)) |
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| [18:50:50] | fbnts: | hi, I have just swapped out one of my frontends and having a few teething problems. When I go to play a recording the log shows: ALSA, Error: Setting hardware audio buffer size to 6016 |
| [18:51:12] | sphery: | that's unimportant as long as you actually get audio |
| [18:52:16] | fbnts: | ah ok, I thought it was some sort of permission problem |
| [18:52:46] | fbnts: | I do get afterwards Waited 100ms for video buffers |
| [18:53:04] | sphery: | those happen all the time... are you actually getting audio and video? |
| [18:53:19] | fbnts: | yep with the recordings |
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| [18:53:43] | fbnts: | on my other frontend I did get the error when trying to play a hidef video |
| [18:53:48] | sphery: | if so, then you should be good--unless you /see/ problems with playback |
| [18:54:01] | fbnts: | but I think that was my backend as it was almost running 100% on the backend process |
| [18:54:08] | sphery: | in other words, we're logging info that's not errors, but that looks like it |
| [18:54:25] | fbnts: | with the hidef video it stuttered about every second |
| [18:54:36] | sphery: | the backend was running 100%? |
| [18:54:40] | sphery: | or the frontend was |
| [18:54:48] | fbnts: | the backend |
| [18:55:09] | sphery: | from commercial flagging and/or transcoding jobs? |
| [18:55:09] | fbnts: | i deleted the video but I have a copy. Just putting it back on to test again |
| [18:55:25] | fbnts: | no, it was a downloaded avi file |
| [18:56:04] | fbnts: | at the moment the mythbackend process is sitting around 16–18% |
| [18:56:06] | sphery: | not sure why the backend would max out since it's just the recorder and job processor |
| [18:56:20] | sphery: | but if it did, it would definitely prevent the rest of the system from working |
| [18:56:54] | fbnts: | I used to have the videos directory on the backend shared to the frontends via NFS but now just use the playback groups |
| [18:57:16] | fbnts: | I presume the backend just gets the file from the disk and streams it to the frontend? |
| [18:58:06] | sphery: | yeah, but it's just reading a file from disk and sending it over the network |
| [18:58:13] | sphery: | no actual processing, so should be extremely low resource |
| [18:59:41] | fbnts: | actually I am just testing now and the CPU on the backend isn't really going up so that just must have been a coincidence |
| [19:00:05] | fbnts: | but it is stuttering and the frontend log is filling with Waited 100ms for video buffers |
| [19:00:11] | sphery: | yeah, likely something else |
| [19:00:48] | fbnts: | just wondering if its a network issue |
| [19:00:54] | sphery: | depending on the video you've downloaded, that may well be caused by the encoding and/or your frontend's ability to keep up with playback |
| [19:01:32] | fbnts: | here's the file output: RIFF (little-endian) data, AVI, 1280 x 544, 23.98 fps, video: XviD, audio: Dolby AC3 (6 channels, 48000 Hz) |
| [19:02:03] | fbnts: | ah its just killed my ssh terminal so it may be network |
| [19:03:24] | sphery: | FWIW, the videos that I'm sure you wouldn't download--and definitely wouldn't talk about downloading in here, because of our rules as http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/IRC#Legally-Dubious_Content --tend to have dodgy encodings. However, if you legally obtain content by purchasing DVDs/BluRays and ripping them yourself, and--if desired--re-encoding them using encoding parameters you specify, shouldn't be a problem. |
| [19:03:38] | wagnerrp: | why would you use ASP for anything HD? |
| [19:05:12] | sphery: | but the most help I can give is to make sure you're using current 0.24-fixes (meaning enable the -fixes repo on your distribution) and if it doesn't work and is a legally-obtained video (like Big Buck Bunny or whatever), someone can probably help you figure out any problems |
| [19:06:49] | fbnts: | I'm using the mythbuntu autobuilds to keep upto date |
| [19:07:18] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: nice, I hit Q3* errors in mpeg2fix. I think I'll spend some time to Qt4 that code |
| [19:07:34] | sphery: | Beirdo: heh, that would be awesome |
| [19:07:41] | Beirdo: | Q3PtrList, Q3PtrQueue, Q3ValueList |
| [19:07:45] | Beirdo: | die! |
| [19:07:47] | sphery: | I think stuartm had just started on that--and realized just how big a mess it was |
| [19:08:11] | Beirdo: | I really don't want to install Qt3 compatibility libs :) |
| [19:08:12] | fbnts: | Thanks for the heads up – this file asside I have not yet got into HD, I mainly use myth as a DVR but I have started archiving my DVD collection |
| [19:09:17] | sphery: | also, could be an issue with your cpu failing to keep up |
| [19:09:46] | sphery: | though XviD (aka MPEG-4 ASP) shouldn't be /too/ difficult, even at high res (unless it's seriously high bitrate, perhaps) |
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| [19:10:37] | sphery: | Beirdo: 20110619 13:10:29< stuartm> ok, I'm starting to see why no-one has ported mpeg2fix to qt4, this is not fun |
| [19:10:47] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [19:10:53] | fbnts: | On this frontend im using VDPAU and the cpu is sitting around 45% when starting to play the video |
| [19:10:58] | Beirdo: | well, I'll take a look at it |
| [19:11:13] | Beirdo: | that was fairly recent, I should make sure we aren't both doing it |
| [19:11:20] | fbnts: | I'm just looking at the backend NIC as it should be gigabit but I don't think its working correctly |
| [19:11:52] | sphery: | Beirdo: see http://irc.mythtv.org/ircLog/channel/4/2011-06-19 and read the couple of sections around "Q3" and "mpeg2fix" ... it sounds like he has a good start on the patch, so definitely check with him, first |
| [19:12:28] | sphery: | fbnts: well, even 100Mbps should be fine, as long as it's on a switch and not connected to some 10Mbps hub or something |
| [19:12:40] | Beirdo: | yah, I'm asking |
| [19:12:44] | fbnts: | yep they are linked with a gigabit switch |
| [19:12:55] | Beirdo: | and compiling vim on the freebsd box |
| [19:13:00] | sphery: | heh, fun |
| [19:13:23] | Beirdo: | using ports is simple enough |
| [19:13:51] | Beirdo: | If I had a fleet of FreeBSD boxen, I'd be looking at using packages |
| [19:13:59] | Beirdo: | but for one, I don't really mind |
| [19:14:46] | sphery: | I just don't get why they want to let the big scary daemon out of his cage... I mean, FreeWilly, sure, but FreeBSD? Just sounds like a bad idea. |
| [19:15:28] | fbnts: | thanks for your help |
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| [19:17:18] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [19:17:28] | Beirdo: | but it's such a cute little devel |
| [19:17:31] | Beirdo: | devil |
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| [19:19:57] | Beirdo: | I still like the Geico woodchuck commercial |
| [19:21:32] | sphery: | heh, yeah |
| [19:22:39] | Beirdo: | won't make me use their insurance, but... |
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| [19:27:56] | sphery: | is that what commercials are trying to do? I just thought they were to let you know when to take your every-10-min break from tv watching |
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| [19:35:01] | Beirdo: | sphery: heheh |
| [19:35:31] | Beirdo: | and to teach us how to do image processing algorithms |
| [19:39:50] | sphery: | heh, yeah |
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| [19:46:17] | hackedbellini: | hi there! I'm trying to change the subtitle color on my mythtv for playing videos |
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| [19:46:42] | hackedbellini: | I've tried to google a lot, but didn't find anything..does anyone here knows how to do that? (change the subtitle color) |
| [19:47:09] | hackedbellini: | wanted to change it from white to yellow |
| [19:47:50] | sphery: | hackedbellini: only possible by changing source code |
| [19:48:19] | sphery: | that said, it's actually funny that you want to go from white to yellow, since there was recently a "fix" that changed it from yellow (ffmpeg's default) to white |
| [19:48:29] | sphery: | because, of course, yellow /must/ be a bug |
| [19:49:27] | sphery: | hackedbellini: that said, I have a patch nearly complete that will allow those kinds of changes (currently just does font face, size, and other such properties), but will eventually be extended to allow changing default color (and probably background) |
| [19:49:46] | sphery: | so you might be able to do what you want in 0.25 |
| [19:50:00] | hackedbellini: | wow! that will be great! |
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| [19:50:21] | sphery: | wagnerrp: heh: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/06/24/micro . . . _enterprise/ ... companies getting /very/ upset with FF's new schedule |
| [19:50:22] | hackedbellini: | is 0.25 usable right now? |
| [19:50:30] | sphery: | 0.25 doesn't exist :) |
| [19:50:41] | hackedbellini: | oO |
| [19:50:44] | sphery: | we do have an unstable/development branch--with which your results may vary |
| [19:50:57] | sphery: | I'm a dev and I use 0.24-fixes on my production systems |
| [19:51:13] | sphery: | I have a completely separate computer with a completely separate development install for doing development |
| [19:51:28] | sphery: | so, from that, you can probably guess my recommendation |
| [19:51:41] | sphery: | and, besides, the patch I'm working on isn't in the repo, yet |
| [19:51:54] | hackedbellini: | yes, I do ;D |
| [19:51:56] | sphery: | I have to make a couple of changes to EIA-608 stuff |
| [19:52:01] | sphery: | then will push it |
| [19:52:18] | sphery: | then can add "default caption color" support |
| [19:52:28] | sphery: | ( |
| [19:52:41] | hackedbellini: | np man! I'll wait till 0.25 =P |
| [19:52:50] | sphery: | "default" since some caption/subtitle formats specify colors, so if they specify something, you'd get what they say you get) |
| [19:54:16] | hackedbellini: | sphery, many thanks for the answer! Hope 0.25 will come soon :) |
| [19:55:23] | sphery: | heh, yeah, soon is good--as long as it's not too soon for me to finish my patch :) |
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| [21:16:40] | sphery: | Heh, I must have spent too long writing that reply... I sent it and found that davide already answered while I was typing my response. |
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| [21:58:03] | wagnerrp: | jya: perhaps this needs some updating? http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/HE-AAC |
| [21:58:18] | wagnerrp: | or do we still not support HE-AAC? |
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| [22:05:54] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp, we do, have in one form or another since .22 |
| [22:06:03] | iamlindoro: | now do so without needing libaac |
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| [22:22:50] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: do you know if mythmusic uses the same colon separated list of directories like mythvideo used to? |
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| [22:25:43] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp, I honestly don't know, but a quick glance at the code suggests not |
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| [22:26:40] | wagnerrp: | im rather confused about this... http://www.mythtvtalk.com/what-up-release-did . . . lease-14868/ |
| [22:26:55] | wagnerrp: | he compressed his CDs as mpegs, and is playing them in mythvideo? |
| [22:27:19] | wagnerrp: | either way, given his track record, im liable to say the problem exists on his end |
| [22:27:27] | skd5aner: | quick q – if mythtv is hanging during channel changes in live tv, which mythfrontend -v options would be good to capture in a log? -v channel? |
| [22:27:57] | skd5aner: | playback,channel ? |
| [22:27:59] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp, Even if it did work, he's using semicolons |
| [22:28:18] | iamlindoro: | skd5aner, file, channel on the backend, playback on the FE |
| [22:28:21] | wagnerrp: | i never did remember if it was colons or semicolons |
| [22:28:35] | skd5aner: | ty |
| [22:28:47] | iamlindoro: | skd5aner, actually, file,channel,record on the BE |
| [22:29:16] | skd5aner: | k – will do... frontend hangs, backend seems to be ok, but will see what's going on with it as well with those options |
| [22:29:41] | skd5aner: | running mythfrontend in gdb too, can I just do a "killall mythfrontend" when it hangs and gdb will get the backtrace it needs? |
| [22:30:35] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp, there will always be someone doing things in some insane manner who blame the app-- much as we can and do try to account for the fringe cases, it's not reasonable for us to have to predict every bats**t crazy thing a user is going to do and work around it... let him revert to .21, who cares |
| [22:30:55] | iamlindoro: | skd5aner, no, run the fe, then attach to the process with gdb, then run thread apply all bt full |
| [22:31:12] | iamlindoro: | if you kill it, the trace won't be valid |
| [22:32:05] | skd5aner: | iamlindoro: ok, I've only attached gdb once before a while back, I might need to pop back in here for some assistance... I know I've been succesful with a true segfault before and ctrl-c, but I'm not starting it via the console CLI |
| [22:32:07] | skd5aner: | thanks |
| [22:32:40] | skd5aner: | so, in this instance, I don't need to run gdb mythfrontend, just run mythfrontend as usual, then attach gdb after the fact, correct? |
| [22:32:48] | iamlindoro: | correct |
| [22:32:55] | skd5aner: | k, thanks for the refresher course |
| [22:33:23] | skd5aner: | I've had family staying with us for about a month now, about once a day they're able to get mythtv to hang when watching live tv... :/ |
| [22:33:40] | skd5aner: | figured it's finally time to collect some data on what's going on |
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| [22:38:31] | skd5aner: | iamlindoro: it would be nice if this section of the backtrace docs could be updated to talk about how to connect to a hung process without starting with gdb – http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-22.html#ss22.2 |
| [22:38:51] | iamlindoro: | yes, it would, when will you be done with your patch? |
| [22:39:07] | skd5aner: | once I learn how to do it myself :) |
| [22:39:14] | iamlindoro: | that's what I like to hear |
| [22:43:24] | Beirdo: | skd5aner: ain't family the best set of QA people ever? |
| [22:43:27] | skd5aner: | !log |
| [22:43:35] | skd5aner: | !url log |
| [22:43:35] | MythLogBot: | log: try !url logs... It's log, it's log, it's big, it's heavy, it's wood! |
| [22:43:43] | skd5aner: | !url logs |
| [22:43:43] | MythLogBot: | logs: http://irc.mythtv.org/ircLog/channel/1 |
| [22:43:57] | ** Beirdo laughs ** | |
| [22:44:09] | Beirdo: | I had forgotten that I'd set that one |
| [22:44:42] | skd5aner: | Beirdo: yea, needless to say, they're impressed with mythtv, but think it's hugely klugey and are wondering why they have to ask me to reset it every 4–12 hours |
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| [22:45:01] | Beirdo: | tell them to stop being so non-geeky :) |
| [22:45:03] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [22:45:12] | skd5aner: | Beirdo: I wish there were an easy way to search the IRC log site, without using google to do it |
| [22:45:22] | Beirdo: | there is, but it's borked right now |
| [22:45:26] | iamlindoro: | so you confessed that it's really likely the administrator, and not the software, right? ;) |
| [22:45:48] | iamlindoro: | and that's when you started sleeping in the garage? |
| [22:45:56] | Beirdo: | and there's always the spherypedia |
| [22:46:54] | skd5aner: | Yea, they assume that it has to be me... because in their laymen opinion, DVRs just work and wouldn't have bugs – at least their's don't at home |
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| [22:47:14] | Beirdo: | oh, believe me, their DVRs have bugs too |
| [22:47:35] | Beirdo: | my ex-brother-in-law crashed his Dish PVR fairly regularly |
| [22:50:12] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: did you ever run 64-bit on your old p4? |
| [22:50:39] | Beirdo: | no, it's a 32-bit p4 |
| [22:50:52] | wagnerrp: | no, the dual core chips were 64-bit |
| [22:51:03] | Beirdo: | that wasn't a P4 :) |
| [22:51:13] | Beirdo: | the Pentium-D, yeah, I ran it 64-bit |
| [22:51:22] | wagnerrp: | you had a D820, right? |
| [22:51:46] | Beirdo: | model name : Intel(R) Pentium(R) D CPU 2.80GHz |
| [22:51:50] | Beirdo: | that one? |
| [22:51:53] | wagnerrp: | yeah, those were two P4s strapped onto a single package |
| [22:52:03] | wagnerrp: | anyway... did you notice any flakiness with 64-bit support? |
| [22:52:15] | Beirdo: | not that I've noticed |
| [22:52:36] | wagnerrp: | im just trying to figure out just where this guy's problems come from |
| [22:52:40] | Beirdo: | it's my ripper box now, still running 64-bit, it was my combined backend/frontend for several months |
| [22:54:04] | skd5aner: | so, attaching with gdb would be like this right... |
| [22:54:12] | Beirdo: | sorry, I get easily confused sometimes :) |
| [22:54:24] | skd5aner: | gdb |
| [22:54:27] | skd5aner: | attach (pid) |
| [22:54:29] | skd5aner: | backtrace |
| [22:54:31] | skd5aner: | that it? |
| [22:55:01] | Beirdo: | yup |
| [22:55:04] | Beirdo: | pretty much |
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| [22:55:23] | Beirdo: | that's all I've done in the past |
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| [22:58:59] | skd5aner: | okie dokie, will grab one sometime soon I'm sure |
| [22:59:03] | skd5aner: | later |
| [22:59:22] | Beirdo: | oh |
| [22:59:26] | Beirdo: | you might want a |
| [22:59:32] | Beirdo: | thread all apply bt |
| [22:59:48] | Beirdo: | as that shows the current state of all the threads |
| [22:59:56] | skd5aner: | yea, finally found a decent site to help |
| [23:00:13] | skd5aner: | hopefully I'll be able to capture something in the bt to help out |
| [23:00:47] | skd5aner: | this is something that I think has been a problem for a long time... pre 0.24 or 0.23 at least |
| [23:01:39] | skd5aner: | pretty much the last major bug I've seen in live tv, everything else isn't as impactful |
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| [23:11:55] | sphery: | skd5aner: add the connect to gdb to http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Debugging |
| [23:12:14] | sphery: | put it between 3.1 and 3.2 (as a 3.2 that bumps 3.2 to 3.3) |
| [23:13:25] | sphery: | should be a short little section, but explain that you'd do that if you find a hung process or the process doesn't hang when run directly through gdb |
| [23:13:36] | sphery: | and, um, please :) |
| [23:13:40] | Beirdo: | hehe |
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| [23:27:12] | skd5aner: | sphery: np... getting a chance to do it now... my mom just hung it while changing the channel |
| [23:32:13] | Beirdo: | you gotta retrain them to record and playback recordings |
| [23:32:31] | Beirdo: | if you wanna watch live... just turn on a TV :) |
| [23:32:46] | skd5aner: | I've set up some recordings specifically for them |
| [23:33:28] | skd5aner: | but... it's hard to retrain people who have watched TV this way for the past 60 years, and who will only be here a few weeks tops |
| [23:33:47] | Beirdo: | heh, yah |
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| [23:34:15] | skd5aner: | also, they want to watch TV in bed, and fall asleep... and at the end of a recording... there's no more sound, also, they want to pay attention (like me) to the things they specifically record |
| [23:34:42] | skd5aner: | Live TV is the /only/ option in that scenario that makes sense |
| [23:35:21] | skd5aner: | I've got a bt... can anyone take a quick look at it and see if it contains useful data? |
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| [23:37:47] | Beirdo: | you got it pastebinned? |
| [23:38:00] | skd5aner: | almost, just a sec |
| [23:38:14] | Beirdo: | I'm sure we can take a look |
| [23:38:31] | skd5aner: | I just want to make sure it's useful before I kill off the process |
| [23:39:22] | skd5aner: | http://pastebin.com/tmyr79eH |
| [23:43:19] | Beirdo: | hmm, I can't make much of it, but I dont' know the playback code terribly well |
| [23:43:45] | Beirdo: | looks like it's locked waiting to read from the tv player object |
| [23:43:59] | Beirdo: | but not sure what wout have it locked |
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| [23:44:34] | skd5aner: | Beirdo: well, I'm curious if it at least has enough info that someone will find it useful attached to a bug report? |
| [23:44:50] | skd5aner: | in otherwords – it captured "something" of value? |
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| [23:49:23] | skd5aner: | I'm going to assume yes :) |
| [23:49:35] | iamlindoro: | skd5aner, yes, open a ticket. There appears to be a mutex locking issue which you are running in to |
| [23:49:51] | iamlindoro: | just attach the FE and BE logs, and the BT, and if we need more, it'll get requested |
| [23:49:57] | skd5aner: | cool, will do – got logs for mfe, mbe, and sbe |
| [23:49:59] | iamlindoro: | but by all means *do* open a ticket |
| [23:50:10] | skd5aner: | I don't think you probably need the sbe log, since the tuners it was using were all on the mbe |
| [23:50:16] | iamlindoro: | unless the SBE is involved in the TV playback, adding those logs will only muddy the water |
| [23:50:34] | iamlindoro: | but hold on to them anyway, just in case |
| [23:50:41] | skd5aner: | yea, I won't include them, but will put a note that I have them if needed later |
| [23:51:10] | skd5aner: | btw – trac needs a 0.24.1 Version added to it |
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