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| [00:57:49] | Twiggy2cents: | ugh... Dont sell something as an auction on ebay unless it's in high need. I sold a broken ps3 drive(bad laser, and the previous owner broke a tooth on the load rail) for $1.04! |
| [00:57:51] | Twiggy2cents: | FUUUUUUUUUUUUUU |
| [00:58:26] | Twiggy2cents: | Ohh well, it wasnt doing me anygood. So I guess maybe I helped someone out |
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| [01:10:14] | Twiggy2cents: | Man it's Wednesday, it's so quiet in here you would think it was the weekend. |
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| [02:12:04] | noisymouse: | Anyone know what encryption Time Warner uses? |
| [02:13:19] | wagnerrp: | encryption that you cannot decrypt |
| [02:13:33] | noisymouse: | yeah... |
| [02:13:56] | wagnerrp: | as in you either need a cable box or a cablecard tuner to decrypt it for you |
| [02:14:13] | noisymouse: | hmm |
| [02:14:51] | noisymouse: | if I had infinite time, I would eventually be able to decrypt it though, right? |
| [02:15:30] | wagnerrp: | if you had infinite time, and a background in cryptoanalysis |
| [02:15:47] | wagnerrp: | however that would result in you being able to illegally access content you hadnt paid for |
| [02:16:59] | noisymouse: | that's true.... although actually I do have a cable box and pay for a few encrypted channels... would it be illegal to decrypt those? |
| [02:17:21] | tgm4883: | noisymouse, you need an HDPVR to decrypt* it |
| [02:17:22] | wagnerrp: | according to the DMCA, it is illegal to decrypt any of that stuff |
| [02:17:47] | tgm4883: | * not really decrypting |
| [02:19:26] | wagnerrp: | noisymouse: basically, there is no purpose to decrypting the cable broadcasts |
| [02:19:35] | wagnerrp: | were you to do so, there would be jail time waiting |
| [02:19:48] | noisymouse: | <.< |
| [02:19:51] | noisymouse: | ok |
| [02:19:53] | wagnerrp: | you could reverse engineer the 5c handshake and encryption |
| [02:20:00] | wagnerrp: | but firewire capture is on the way out |
| [02:20:26] | wagnerrp: | you could use an HDPVR, capturing component video off a cable box |
| [02:20:42] | noisymouse: | I have another question... |
| [02:20:43] | wagnerrp: | or you could use a cablecard tuner, but then youre limited to the channels marked 'copy freely' |
| [02:20:56] | wagnerrp: | mythtv currently works with the HDHomeRun Prime |
| [02:21:03] | wagnerrp: | and there is support for the ceton tuners in the works |
| [02:21:55] | noisymouse: | I did a channel scan on a DVB card and found that I ended up having channel conflicts even though I had no channels added before the scan and wasn't using a grabber |
| [02:23:50] | wagnerrp: | not sure what the cause of that one is |
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| [02:24:15] | noisymouse: | hmm... can I assume the conflicts are just duplicates? |
| [02:24:28] | wagnerrp: | more likely they are channels with no identifying information |
| [02:24:37] | wagnerrp: | although those should get named automatically |
| [02:25:23] | noisymouse: | oh also this is on .22 |
| [02:26:13] | wagnerrp: | the channel scanner is significantly improved on newer versions |
| [02:27:11] | noisymouse: | I guess I'll upgrade then... for some reason gentoo is still on .22 for stable |
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| [02:30:32] | wagnerrp: | https://github.com/MythTV/packaging/tree/mast . . . ia-tv/mythtv |
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| [02:44:32] | iamlindoro: | yates: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Blu-ray (is what I would say to him if he were here) |
| [02:44:37] | context-: | so let me get this. mythtv-backend has to be shutdown to update the database ? |
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| [02:45:18] | context-: | anyone know any good tuner cards that /dont/ suck. or a good guide to getting the HVR-1600 working (or do i have to have it point to a receiver to change the channel? |
| [02:45:47] | [R]: | context-: the myth wiki and/or the linuxtv website |
| [02:46:08] | wagnerrp: | point to a receiver to change the channel... |
| [02:46:17] | wagnerrp: | youre talking about analog capture from a cable box? |
| [02:47:19] | context-: | i dont want that though. i wanna setup mythtv (if possible) without extra dangly wires that will randomly not work when i really want it to record something |
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| [02:48:10] | context-: | so i guess my simple question is, whats the .. 'easiest' way to get mythtv going, an HDHR ? or is that still gonna be ghetto dangly wires to hopefully change the channel |
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| [02:48:48] | context-: | i dont want any blaster stuff. is there anything that you plug the coax directly in and it handles everything |
| [02:49:01] | [R]: | context-: what ar eyou tyring to record? |
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| [02:49:57] | context-: | tv? |
| [02:50:04] | context-: | well im not even trying to record yet |
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| [02:50:09] | context-: | i cant even watch tv |
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| [02:50:17] | yates: | will mythtv play bluray discs? (assuming of course you have a bluray player) |
| [02:50:18] | wagnerrp: | as in... what is your source? |
| [02:50:23] | iamlindoro: | yates: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Blu-ray |
| [02:50:24] | context-: | cable. |
| [02:50:27] | wagnerrp: | broadcast? analog cable? digital cable? |
| [02:50:31] | yates: | iamlindoro: thank you. |
| [02:50:32] | context-: | digital cable |
| [02:50:44] | iamlindoro: | np |
| [02:50:48] | wagnerrp: | a digital tuner will be able to capture anything your cable provider broadcasts unencrypted |
| [02:50:50] | context-: | this card supports QAM, but mythbuntu is showing it as a V4L card |
| [02:51:08] | context-: | so it /should/ change channels by itself right ? |
| [02:51:14] | wagnerrp: | hybrid tuners show up as a V4L tuner _and_ a DVB tuner |
| [02:51:27] | wagnerrp: | you must configure them independently |
| [02:51:44] | wagnerrp: | and actually, the 1600 is a proper dual tuner, not a hybrid |
| [02:52:05] | context-: | so i can just set it up as dvb and ignore the v4l crap? |
| [02:52:12] | context-: | guess i need to properly install these drivers first :/ |
| [02:52:16] | wagnerrp: | you should not set it up as a V4L card in any case |
| [02:52:39] | wagnerrp: | as it is not a v4l framegrabber |
| [02:52:40] | context-: | and i cant seem to get LIRC going also for the remote, but thats another issue that i havent really look into yet |
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| [02:52:57] | context-: | kk. im gonna get these drivers installed for the card before i complain any more |
| [02:53:09] | yates: | though ripping a bluray is cpu-intensive, it doesn't have to be real-time, does it? |
| [02:53:22] | wagnerrp: | ripping a bluray is not cpu-intensive |
| [02:53:25] | wagnerrp: | and not really disk intensive |
| [02:53:40] | wagnerrp: | since the limiting factor will be how quickly you can read out of the optical drive |
| [02:53:54] | wagnerrp: | ripping a bluray should take somewhere between half an hour to an hour |
| [02:54:12] | context-: | ripping any sort of disc is just io "intenstive" love of waiting. |
| [02:54:22] | context-: | lot* |
| [02:54:24] | yates: | wagnerrp: ah – yes – i misread the article. thanks for correcting me. |
| [02:54:56] | wagnerrp: | do note the difference between ripping and transcoding |
| [02:55:01] | wagnerrp: | and you should not be transcoding that content |
| [02:55:02] | yates: | is data on bluray uncompressed video? |
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| [02:55:08] | wagnerrp: | no, not by a long shot |
| [02:55:11] | context-: | wagnerrp: the wiki says to use "v4l-dvb" :x that make sense ? |
| [02:55:12] | yates: | h264/ |
| [02:55:13] | yates: | ? |
| [02:55:24] | wagnerrp: | h264 and vc1 |
| [02:55:30] | wagnerrp: | depends on who authored it |
| [02:55:35] | yates: | i see. |
| [02:55:48] | wagnerrp: | context-: v4l-dvb is the project that develops the drivers |
| [02:55:54] | context-: | ahh kk |
| [02:56:35] | iamlindoro: | and MPEG-2 |
| [02:56:56] | wagnerrp: | does anything really use mpeg2? |
| [02:57:11] | wagnerrp: | i thought talledaga nights, and a couple other early ones, were the rarity |
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| [02:58:53] | iamlindoro: | sure |
| [02:58:53] | iamlindoro: | I have a ton of discs w/ MPEG-2 |
| [02:58:54] | iamlindoro: | pretty much all the early WB discs before they switched to VC1 |
| [02:58:54] | ** iamlindoro grumbles and wishes Comcast would provide him with functional internet ** | |
| [02:59:00] | iamlindoro: | it must be summer, internet has turned to poop |
| [02:59:18] | [R]: | iamlindoro: those must be awful |
| [02:59:25] | iamlindoro: | Not at all |
| [02:59:35] | iamlindoro: | Not when they put it on the disc at 40 Mbit |
| [02:59:42] | wagnerrp: | why would the internet be poop? no recent tv shows for your neighbors to all pirate |
| [02:59:55] | iamlindoro: | I assert that it's somehow heat related |
| [03:00:07] | iamlindoro: | when the weather turns hot, it's always this way from noon until sundown |
| [03:00:22] | [R]: | everyone is downlaoding porn probably |
| [03:00:23] | wagnerrp: | [R]: after all, its actually lower pixel rate than 1080i30 broadcast at 15mbps |
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| [03:00:53] | [R]: | i assume theres no extras on those discs then? |
| [03:01:18] | iamlindoro: | There still are |
| [03:01:42] | iamlindoro: | unless you take the time to actually look, you'd never know the MPEG-2 discs are any different than your average VC1 of H.264 disc |
| [03:01:44] | wagnerrp: | 45 mbps (need some audio) for two hours still only comes out to 40GB |
| [03:01:48] | wagnerrp: | 10GB left for extras |
| [03:03:06] | context-: | of course nothing is gonna compile :/ |
| [03:03:32] | wagnerrp: | assuming youre on a fairly modern kernel, you shouldnt need to compile anything for the 1600 |
| [03:03:43] | context-: | :/ |
| [03:03:48] | context-: | mythbuntu 11.04 |
| [03:04:01] | context-: | Linux ra 2.6.38-8-generic #42-Ubuntu SMP Mon Apr 11 03:31:24 UTC 2011 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| [03:04:54] | context-: | im just following the wiki entry :/ |
| [03:05:06] | context-: | not a good idea? :/ |
| [03:05:19] | wagnerrp: | cant say, never used that card |
| [03:05:52] | iamlindoro: | HVR-1600 support is included in that kernel |
| [03:06:09] | iamlindoro: | The only thing it shoudl need is a firmware in the right place |
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| [03:06:30] | context-: | kk |
| [03:06:33] | context-: | thnx |
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| [03:08:26] | context-: | restarting now |
| [03:09:45] | context-: | grrr. didntwork too well |
| [03:09:50] | context-: | nothing in dmesg regarding the card |
| [03:10:44] | context-: | nm. found it in the syslog |
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| [03:19:35] | context-: | except i have no /dev/video0 for the encoder :/ |
| [03:19:55] | wagnerrp: | check dmesg for errors |
| [03:19:59] | context-: | :/ |
| [03:20:07] | context-: | there is cx18 stuff in syslog not dmesg |
| [03:21:19] | context-: | Jun 22 19:54:42 ra kernel: [ 7.119669] cx18–0: Registered device video0 for encoder MPEG (64 x 32.00 kB) |
| [03:21:24] | context-: | says device registered |
| [03:21:29] | context-: | not in /dev though |
| [03:22:09] | context-: | and it is devfs |
| [03:22:59] | [R]: | devfs? |
| [03:23:03] | [R]: | how old is your system? 10 years? |
| [03:23:28] | context-: | this is ubuntu 11.04 |
| [03:23:29] | context-: | heh |
| [03:23:37] | context-: | so i imagine its hotplug or whatever now |
| [03:23:42] | context-: | i have no /dev/dvb either |
| [03:23:47] | context-: | but it says its registered crap |
| [03:24:26] | context-: | so.. where is my registered devices :( |
| [03:28:52] | wagnerrp: | might want to try in #ubuntu or #ubuntu-mythtv |
| [03:28:57] | iamlindoro: | pastebin your dmesg and the output of ls /dev/ |
| [03:29:00] | iamlindoro: | Playing "telephone" about directory contents and log output is an exercise in pain |
| [03:31:24] | context-: | ;) |
| [03:31:29] | context-: | one sec |
| [03:32:47] | context-: | oh wait |
| [03:32:47] | context-: | nm |
| [03:32:52] | context-: | thats old dmesg :x |
| [03:33:01] | context-: | it appears to /not/ be loading the firmware now |
| [03:34:43] | context-: | this is bugging the shit out of me |
| [03:36:01] | mag0o: | dmesg |grep -i firm |
| [03:36:42] | context-: | i broke it. this wiki page is totally useless |
| [03:37:47] | context-: | downloading the firmware from the wiki page prevented my box from loading the firmware |
| [03:37:55] | PointyPumper is now known as Pointles | |
| [03:37:57] | Pointles is now known as Pointless | |
| [03:38:26] | Pointless is now known as PointyPumper | |
| [03:38:37] | PointyPumper is now known as Pointless | |
| [03:38:54] | Pointless is now known as PointyPumper | |
| [03:40:09] | context-: | now to figure out to get ubuntu to reinstall modules |
| [03:45:42] | context-: | hopefully this will be last rebot |
| [03:46:50] | context-: | well wtf ! |
| [03:47:23] | context-: | reinstalled firmware, did not get loaded though |
| [03:47:27] | context-: | shows up on lspci |
| [03:47:38] | context-: | forced reinstall of linux-firmware |
| [03:47:40] | wagnerrp: | lspci is completely independent of any sort of drivers |
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| [03:47:51] | context-: | yeah i understand |
| [03:48:26] | context-: | that wiki page should go to hell. i really dont want to reinstall |
| [03:48:43] | context-: | all cause a wiki page made my box even worse than it was to start off |
| [03:48:49] | wagnerrp: | you really shouldnt need to reinstall |
| [03:49:04] | wagnerrp: | what version of mythtv are you using? |
| [03:49:04] | context-: | yeah i understand that |
| [03:49:21] | context-: | its mythbuntu 11.04 i have not added the repo yet htough |
| [03:49:24] | context-: | so its base 11.04 |
| [03:49:30] | wagnerrp: | specifically, i want the string out of '--version' |
| [03:49:50] | wagnerrp: | ok, well you should upgrade to the recent repo before attempting anything analog |
| [03:50:01] | context-: | this isnt analog |
| [03:50:09] | context-: | its dvb |
| [03:50:14] | wagnerrp: | youre talking about video0 |
| [03:50:21] | context-: | yeah for the encoder |
| [03:50:25] | wagnerrp: | analog |
| [03:50:30] | context-: | but the firmware isnt getting loaded at all |
| [03:50:39] | context-: | mythtv cant use a device that doesn't exist./ |
| [03:53:28] | context-: | although i see nothing in ther relating to v4l in the kernel modules |
| [03:54:15] | context-: | im confused as to how this loaded the first time this machine booted and now its not |
| [03:55:48] | wagnerrp: | nvidia drivers? |
| [03:55:56] | context-: | yeah? |
| [03:56:04] | wagnerrp: | 32-bit or 64-bit kernel? |
| [03:56:08] | context-: | 64 |
| [03:56:16] | wagnerrp: | scratch that then... |
| [03:56:20] | context-: | ? |
| [03:56:33] | context-: | or would running 32 bit make this all a lot easier? :/ |
| [03:56:54] | wagnerrp: | s/easier/harder/ |
| [03:56:59] | context-: | haha |
| [03:57:18] | context-: | nvidia kenrel mod loaded |
| [03:57:38] | context-: | i told it to use that from install |
| [03:57:54] | context-: | there is no cx18 kernel module that i see though |
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| [04:04:13] | context-: | kk modules are compiling but keep failing at flexcop |
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| [04:13:27] | context-: | the dir for cx18 is there. but not there |
| [04:13:31] | context-: | reinstall kernel pacage |
| [04:15:07] | context-: | THERE ! |
| [04:23:34] | context-: | mmm cant find channels doing channel scan :/ |
| [04:23:40] | context-: | but at least im further |
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| [04:26:40] | context-: | alright. finding encrypted channels |
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| [04:42:14] | context-: | how many days into the future with mythfilldatabase go with schedulesdirect :x |
| [04:42:27] | wagnerrp: | 14 |
| [04:42:41] | context-: | ahh. yap it just stopped :x |
| [04:43:29] | context-: | alrighty !!! |
| [04:43:32] | context-: | now to get the remote working |
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| [04:44:20] | context-: | this is moving along fairly well now |
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| [04:44:32] | context-: | even though i /think/ it can only watch/record one thing at a time |
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| [04:46:59] | context-: | lirc fails to load kernel modules :/ |
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| [04:56:38] | larrikin: | mythwebs upcoming recordings thinks I have a couple of recordings in progress for an extended time .. they don't appear in the frontend's upcoming list .. I've so far found the shows in question in table 'oldrecorded' but still looking elswhere.. no entry in 'program' or 'record'/'recorded' .. |
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| [05:07:00] | noisymouse: | if I'm trying to debug mythtv by running mythbackend in a terminal, should I run it as root? |
| [05:07:17] | wagnerrp: | no, you should run it as the user you would typically run it as |
| [05:07:42] | noisymouse: | well I typically run the backend through an init script |
| [05:08:13] | [R]: | your init script is horribly broken if it launches it as root |
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| [05:08:36] | noisymouse: | well it probably doesn't then... |
| [05:09:44] | noisymouse: | what would be the problem with running the backend as root though? |
| [05:09:56] | wagnerrp: | youre running the backend as root |
| [05:10:19] | hoolio: | noisymouse, it's not a good idea to give any service full reign over your whole computer |
| [05:10:36] | hoolio: | so services generally run under the context of specific user accounts |
| [05:10:41] | wagnerrp: | this isnt windows |
| [05:10:45] | noisymouse: | hmm |
| [05:10:53] | wagnerrp: | we actually understand its a bad idea to run everything as administrator |
| [05:11:06] | context-: | kk anyone wanna help with a remote :X |
| [05:12:12] | context-: | i dont even know how to tell if lirc is even getting the events |
| [05:14:42] | context-: | irw isnt showing anything :( |
| [05:15:00] | context-: | this is in fact turning out to be more of a headache than wanted :/ |
| [05:16:19] | [R]: | myth isn't easy and requires you to read documentation |
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| [05:19:01] | context-: | heh |
| [05:19:17] | context-: | yeah i have lirc running and proper device, but not getting any output from irw |
| [05:19:18] | context-: | :/ |
| [05:26:20] | context-: | ok it turns out i have no lirc device at all |
| [05:26:25] | context-: | i cannot cat event5 |
| [05:26:28] | context-: | or irw it |
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| [05:28:21] | context-: | heh |
| [05:28:29] | context-: | i hate being that guy... sorry all... my remote now works :x |
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| [05:34:19] | context-: | is it normal for schedulesdirect to not have channels ? |
| [05:36:44] | [R]: | if you dindt set it up right |
| [05:36:45] | [R]: | sure |
| [05:37:10] | context-: | it downloaded all the schedules |
| [05:37:18] | context-: | but when im in myth it only shows me two channels |
| [05:37:21] | context-: | from previous scan |
| [05:37:27] | context-: | or should i abort scan |
| [05:38:17] | context-: | mythbackup setup doesnt log anywhere :/ |
| [05:40:52] | [R]: | mythbackup? if you are scanning thatn its not getting hte channels from schedulesdirect |
| [05:40:54] | [R]: | make up your mind |
| [05:43:08] | context-: | myth backend setup sorry |
| [05:43:20] | context-: | for the input connections |
| [05:43:26] | context-: | it already downlaoded all the channel data |
| [05:43:42] | context-: | its setup to use that channel source |
| [05:44:01] | context-: | but now the box keeps looping on startup. so cigarette time and thermite the box |
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| [05:55:48] | context-: | nice. now why the hell does my box keep rebooting |
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| [06:26:39] | ectospasm: | context-: could be many reasons... does it reboot at the same point every time, or is it random? |
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| [06:39:25] | context-: | same point. i reinstalled and its working fine |
| [06:44:10] | ectospasm: | without seeing a log it will be impossible to tell what it was. |
| [06:44:20] | ectospasm: | maybe a corrupted core library |
| [06:45:29] | context-: | yeah got everything running again i had running |
| [06:45:30] | context-: | except |
| [06:45:40] | context-: | myth still isnt pulling channels to pick a default |
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| [06:46:18] | context-: | says no guide data available, but i just watched it pull the guides for two weeks |
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| [06:49:33] | context-: | ok. it def. downloaded 2 weeks of stuff but it didn't put anything into the database |
| [06:50:27] | context-: | 011-06–23 01:50:09.894 Channels updated. |
| [06:50:27] | context-: | 2011-06–23 01:50:09.904 Did not find any new program data. |
| [06:50:33] | context-: | but it just downloaded 600K of data |
| [06:52:22] | context-: | wtf hell !!! |
| [06:52:32] | context-: | im downloading data! insert it into the god damn database |
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| [06:57:20] | context-: | mythfilldatabase... you fucking suck |
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| [06:57:35] | ectospasm: | heheheh |
| [06:57:57] | ectospasm: | it's tough to see what it's doing, for sure |
| [06:58:12] | ectospasm: | ...only thing that changes is the offset |
| [06:58:53] | ectospasm: | ...and maybe the URL for wget |
| [07:00:08] | context-: | yeah im manually running it even telling it to not ignore atsc channels or whatever |
| [07:01:08] | context-: | HAHAHAHA ! |
| [07:01:13] | context-: | so i ran with verbose output |
| [07:01:21] | context-: | and apparently.... it is executing insert statements |
| [07:01:26] | context-: | they arent hitting the database though. |
| [07:01:32] | context-: | so it truly is a pile of crap. |
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| [07:12:56] | context-: | serious. the easiest piece of this is the biggest pile of trash? |
| [07:13:14] | context-: | YOU'RE INSERTING THE FUCKING DATA INTO A TEMP TABLE. ITS THERE !!!! |
| [07:14:53] | ectospasm: | if you don't like it, fix it! I mean, the current version is 0.24.1, I wouldn't consider it complete by any stretch of the imagination |
| [07:15:59] | context-: | and im running 0.24.0. last i checked using mysql wasn't hard. |
| [07:16:35] | context-: | im watching it insert data, then saying there is no data. |
| [07:20:03] | ectospasm: | maybe the entire transaction doesn't post, so it rolls back |
| [07:23:28] | context-: | well i told it --manual which says 'will ask questions about every channel' |
| [07:23:32] | context-: | and it says no programs found |
| [07:24:23] | ectospasm: | I dunno. I haven't played with the channel lineup much |
| [07:24:37] | ectospasm: | ...trying to get my video playing first |
| [07:24:51] | ectospasm: | ...then, I need to figure out how to access both my analog and digital channels |
| [07:25:04] | ectospasm: | ...right now, it looks like it's only looking for digital |
| [07:25:45] | ectospasm: | ...I know this tuner card can do it, I remember doing it in another machine in Win7 |
| [07:26:51] | context-: | do you use any specific freq table for your source |
| [07:27:38] | ectospasm: | Cable, it sees *something*, but a bunch of channels I know I don't have |
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| [07:47:07] | noisymouse: | I'm having a problem with the aspect ratio for video playback |
| [07:47:33] | noisymouse: | for some reason the video gets vertically squished |
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| [07:48:44] | noisymouse: | and if I scale it vertically, I get audio but no video |
| [07:49:25] | ectospasm: | what native resolution are you trying to use? |
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| [07:49:48] | noisymouse: | well I have a dual-head setup, with a virtual |
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| [07:50:17] | noisymouse: | vritual resolution of 3840x1200 |
| [07:50:27] | noisymouse: | I want to run mythfrontend at 1920x1080 |
| [07:50:39] | ectospasm: | only on one screen? |
| [07:50:46] | noisymouse: | and that's what I set as the resolution |
| [07:50:47] | noisymouse: | yeah |
| [07:51:29] | ectospasm: | can your monitor do 1920x1080? Just because it's highest resolution is higher than that doesn't mean it can do that. |
| [07:52:36] | noisymouse: | it can do it... it's a large screen, and that's what I use for everything else |
| [07:53:44] | ectospasm: | I dunno. I'm a MythTV nub myself. Which distro are you using? |
| [07:53:52] | noisymouse: | gentoo |
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| [07:55:05] | ectospasm: | does it do that with watching videos outside of MythTV? |
| [07:56:31] | noisymouse: | only with mythtv.... it seems like there are at least 2 differnt places for specifying myth's resolution or aspect ratio |
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| [08:01:46] | Unguided: | Hello all. Newb/opinion question here. im looking at HD homerun prime vs ceton infinitv4 for a mythtv setup. just wondering whichh one would be better and why? |
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| [08:57:45] | noisymouse: | hello, is there anybody out there? |
| [09:00:11] | noisymouse: | I'm getting Desktop video mode: 0x0 on a dual-head any ideas? |
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| [10:59:00] | stuartm: | noisymouse: reset those resolution settings back to defaults, you don't need them, they don't do what you think they do |
| [11:00:18] | stuartm: | you need to set the 'Monitor Aspect Ratio' under the 'Appearance Settings' and 'Display on Screen' to your preferred monitor |
| [11:02:37] | stuartm: | if that doesn't work, then we need to know what hardware and configuration options you're using |
| [11:03:51] | stuartm: | I know that Twinview works for example with Nvidia graphics, and that pure-software xinerama is best avoided when twinview is available |
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| [13:01:56] | BobLfoot: | Have we lost picture by picture in recent mythtv releases? I can find PIP but not PBP. |
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| [13:22:12] | epsolon77: | hey, has anyone run a NAS on their mythtv backend server? |
| [13:23:55] | wagnerrp: | run a nas on their backend server, as in run the NFS server? |
| [13:24:36] | epsolon77: | yes, that is a better way to put it |
| [13:26:48] | JEDIDIAH__: | who doesn't? |
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| [13:27:24] | JEDIDIAH__: | my recordings are NFS mounted on my master backend and all of my other media files are NFS mounted from a different box. |
| [13:27:43] | JEDIDIAH__: | ...or rather exported |
| [13:28:27] | epsolon77: | I've seen some crazy system requirements as of late, figured I'd check |
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| [13:29:22] | JEDIDIAH__: | I run multiple backends, multiple frontends in different rooms and have a setup that's been running for awhile now. |
| [13:30:36] | JEDIDIAH__: | my myth setup is overlaid on top of what I was doing with media before |
| [13:30:39] | epsolon77: | is there a reason for multiple backends over one big powerful backend server? |
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| [13:32:56] | JEDIDIAH__: | I have remote tuners. |
| [13:33:33] | epsolon77: | ok |
| [13:33:36] | epsolon77: | this is getting interesting |
| [13:33:48] | JEDIDIAH__: | each of my cable tuners sits next to a TV. |
| [13:33:58] | JEDIDIAH__: | tried having everything in one place but it got too messy. |
| [13:34:07] | JEDIDIAH__: | multiple DTV recievers and HD-PVRs. |
| [13:34:22] | epsolon77: | I think I'm looking at 2 HDPVR's |
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| [13:34:34] | epsolon77: | one of the rooms upstairs I really don't feel like wiring for COAX |
| [13:34:50] | epsolon77: | if my wife will let me take up enough of the closet, I'd love to have it all central |
| [13:35:00] | JEDIDIAH__: | you can put slave recorders anywhere. same goes for a HDHomeRun |
| [13:35:13] | epsolon77: | thoguh I could probably put a quarter rack by the downstairs tv.... |
| [13:35:29] | JEDIDIAH__: | My HDHR is my first tuner but it's in a different room than the master backend that it's "attached" to. |
| [13:35:40] | epsolon77: | the HDhome run is an option I haven't looked at |
| [13:35:52] | JEDIDIAH__: | My HDHR sits where it is best in terms of being connected to the antenna. |
| [13:36:24] | JEDIDIAH__: | although my setup is dependent on the whole house being wired with Cat5e |
| [13:36:43] | JEDIDIAH__: | my one attempt at a wireless frontend has been a disaster. |
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| [13:46:42] | epsolon77: | I have run hundreds of thousands of feet of cable...I'm not worried about the wiring part |
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| [13:50:57] | JEDIDIAH__: | good that |
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| [14:28:10] | ** iamlindoro wonders why in god's name Canonical is still recommending 32 bit ** | |
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| [14:29:29] | epsolon77: | I would guess it has to do with legacy support....But I don't know |
| [14:29:39] | epsolon77: | don't they only recomend it on the desktop version? |
| [14:30:15] | epsolon77: | yeah only the desktop version is 32 bit recomended |
| [14:30:31] | epsolon77: | the server version of 11.04 has 64 bit as recomended |
| [14:30:40] | epsolon77: | maybe there are still some bugs in X on 64 bit... |
| [14:30:51] | wagnerrp: | like... adobe flash |
| [14:30:55] | jams: | flash |
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| [14:31:01] | wagnerrp: | wait, no... thats a virus |
| [14:31:09] | epsolon77: | no, windows is a virus |
| [14:31:30] | epsolon77: | says the IT guy from his XP desktop :-/ |
| [14:31:38] | wagnerrp: | windows actually works as intended until the users get hold of it |
| [14:32:16] | epsolon77: | eh i hate to admit it, but windows 7 is at least a step in the right direction |
| [14:33:26] | epsolon77: | I still think Ubuntu is catching up way faster than MS admits though |
| [14:33:43] | epsolon77: | I have one stinking program that if I could get it to work on Ubuntu we'd be there |
| [14:33:44] | wagnerrp: | their average user base surely is |
| [14:34:10] | epsolon77: | stupid DOTNETFRAMWORK |
| [14:34:51] | epsolon77: | I swear if I leave something in my Newegg cart for more than a week it goes on sale.... |
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| [14:37:00] | epsolon77: | does anyone know, is a heatsink for C32 Lisbon proc's the same as Socket F 1207? |
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| [14:45:50] | Gibby: | anyone got a recommendation for a usb hub(need to run 2 hd-pvr's through ti) |
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| [14:46:02] | epsolon77: | don't use a hub |
| [14:46:02] | wagnerrp: | any should do |
| [14:46:14] | wagnerrp: | youre only talking about 1.6Mbps per device |
| [14:46:31] | epsolon77: | with as cheap as switches are, make sure to get a switch not a hub |
| [14:46:40] | wagnerrp: | USB |
| [14:46:48] | epsolon77: | ah thank you wagnerrp |
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| [14:47:00] | epsolon77: | I stand humbly correct, and find I need new glasses |
| [14:47:06] | wagnerrp: | :) |
| [14:47:19] | epsolon77: | I've recently had a very traumatic experiance with network hubs... |
| [14:47:35] | iamlindoro: | If you're using hubs, then you are a bad person |
| [14:47:45] | iamlindoro: | or a time traveler from the early 90s |
| [14:47:58] | iamlindoro: | or someone who hates his users |
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| [14:48:10] | iamlindoro: | and expresses it by building broken networks |
| [14:48:13] | epsolon77: | my wife's chruch just built a new building with 50+ computers, and every time I turn around they keep reinstalling this damned 24 port hub |
| [14:48:39] | wagnerrp: | sounds like you need a holocaust |
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| [14:49:00] | iamlindoro: | -- German advisor, 1939 |
| [14:49:04] | Gibby: | Only 1.6Mbps per hd-pvr? And that is during a HD record/watch? |
| [14:49:17] | iamlindoro: | big B |
| [14:49:19] | wagnerrp: | hey now, that was a perfectly fine term before the germans came around |
| [14:49:29] | epsolon77: | "oh we decided to not let gig e firewall router combine the two switches, we'll just plug both the 24 port switchs into the 24 port hub... Then we have more ports that i can put the NAS system on!" |
| [14:49:54] | wagnerrp: | meaning... take everyone involved out to the parking lot with the hub, some lighter fluid, and a match |
| [14:50:05] | wagnerrp: | make the hub a burning sacrifice to the network gods |
| [14:50:12] | iamlindoro: | why does it say paper jam when there is no paper jam |
| [14:50:12] | epsolon77: | I DID THAT ONCE, well not literally |
| [14:50:21] | epsolon77: | someone has like 20 24 port hubs in their basement |
| [14:50:58] | zmd is now known as dmz | |
| [14:51:17] | epsolon77: | iamlindoro is that a serisous question or a comment on the hubs making the network a ticking timb bomb |
| [14:51:30] | wagnerrp: | its an office space reference |
| [14:51:48] | epsolon77: | OH RIGHT |
| [14:51:51] | wagnerrp: | to go along with my suggestion of destruction of antiquated equipment |
| [14:51:52] | epsolon77: | how could I have missed that |
| [14:52:06] | epsolon77: | yeah I need more caffinee |
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| [15:08:46] | context-: | so.. i have my myth setup (almost complete) and schedulesdirect setup.. ive ran mythfilldb manually with full verbosity, and i see it inserting data into the temp tables, but never saves /any/ of it. it always says no program updates found |
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| [15:12:23] | iamlindoro: | sounds like you've not added the XMLTVids for your channels |
| [15:13:01] | iamlindoro: | For mythfilldatabase to match listings to a channel, either the channel number + callsign need to be correct, or you need to add the xmltvid for your desired SD channel to the channel in myth |
| [15:13:21] | iamlindoro: | otherwise there's no way for myth to know that 33–5 is discovery, etc. |
| [15:14:13] | iamlindoro: | so either you edit the channel to change the callsign + number so that mfdb *can* figure it out, or you click the "report" link next to the lineup on the schedulesdirect web site, print out a list of all the five-digit XMLTVids, and add those to your channels in myth |
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| [15:19:17] | Gibby: | just ordered everything, hopefully should have dish and my hdpvrs working saturday |
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| [15:26:01] | context-: | iamlindoro: what |
| [15:26:49] | context-: | so when the schedules i still have to add every of 500+ channels to my myth manually? |
| [15:26:59] | context-: | with* |
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| [15:27:24] | context-: | well then whats the channel data it pulls from schedulesdirect |
| [15:27:59] | wagnerrp: | for analog lineups, and analog capture from a digital cable box, you pull the channel data directly from your SD lineup and youre done |
| [15:28:12] | wagnerrp: | you only have to manually tinker when youre scanning digital channels with a digital tuner |
| [15:29:50] | context-: | well that makes sense |
| [15:29:53] | sphery: | and manually tinkering isn't that bad when you use mythweb's channel editor to edit xmltvids |
| [15:30:09] | sphery: | (allows you to edit all at once rather than one at a time) |
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| [15:30:29] | context-: | kk. so there is no easy place to just download these? |
| [15:30:43] | context-: | even for specific providers |
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| [15:31:11] | wagnerrp: | the issue is that there is no central store that matches physical and program ids to meaningful channels |
| [15:31:18] | wagnerrp: | at least none that we currently have access to |
| [15:33:09] | context-: | ok. so, this has to do with scan + matching up ids to it? |
| [15:33:18] | context-: | or some place i can read on doing this |
| [15:33:45] | wagnerrp: | just perform the scan as you normally would |
| [15:33:55] | context-: | this is the first time ive ever setup myth |
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| [15:34:06] | context-: | i scanned cable-high last night and i know thats not all the channels |
| [15:34:10] | wagnerrp: | then go into the channel editor (as sphery said, mythweb's is the easiest to access) |
| [15:34:25] | wagnerrp: | when you mouse over channels in the SD website, it will list the xmltv id |
| [15:34:28] | context-: | and all of them say some LMAC Locked when i go to switch to that channel |
| [15:34:38] | context-: | but shows the picture seconds later |
| [15:35:00] | wagnerrp: | digital channels generally take a couple seconds to tune and start displaying video |
| [15:35:25] | context-: | :/ |
| [15:35:42] | context-: | how come my cable box doesn't do that |
| [15:35:49] | devinheitmueller: | How long tends to depend on the tuner. A lock time of 800ms is not uncommon, but then the prebuffering MythTV does of the MPEG stream is what takes most of the time. |
| [15:36:03] | devinheitmueller: | (I have tuners with a lock time < 300ms, but they are less common) |
| [15:36:14] | wagnerrp: | right, youve got tuner lock time |
| [15:36:17] | sphery: | context-: except for the part that suggests using the Frontend Channel Editor, do the Schedules Direct part of http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/XMLTV_ID |
| [15:36:20] | wagnerrp: | youve got time until the first keyframe |
| [15:36:36] | context-: | oh. |
| [15:36:40] | wagnerrp: | playback cannot begin until you receive a keyframe, which is an entire video image with no reference to other frames |
| [15:36:55] | context-: | sphery: will do |
| [15:37:03] | wagnerrp: | for US digital broadcasts, you usually get a keyframe every half second |
| [15:37:09] | context-: | yeah i understand the keyframes |
| [15:37:11] | devinheitmueller: | MythTV is a very general solution, so it tends to to be optimized in this area as much as a specialized solution like a STB, where the hardware is well known and highly predictable. |
| [15:37:13] | wagnerrp: | so for reasonable use, best case is around a second |
| [15:37:32] | wagnerrp: | thats why those little cheap mini-boxes play audio long before they display video |
| [15:37:36] | devinheitmueller: | s/optimized/not optimized/ |
| [15:37:38] | context-: | mine takes 2–3 i think. using an HVR-1600 |
| [15:37:51] | wagnerrp: | on top of that, you have the frontend/backend split to be concerned about |
| [15:37:53] | context-: | so im thinking i should return it to get something quicker :x |
| [15:38:05] | wagnerrp: | mythtv has to ensure it buffers sufficient data that the frontend isnt starved |
| [15:38:09] | devinheitmueller: | context: most of that is not the tuner lock time. It's the prebuffering, as well as forwarding from backend to frontend. |
| [15:38:26] | devinheitmueller: | The hvr-1600 locktime is pretty reasonable (in particular after some fixes I did last year to the driver) |
| [15:38:46] | context-: | devinheitmueller: kk gotcha |
| [15:39:01] | devinheitmueller: | Buying a different tuner won't really make it go any faster. |
| [15:39:07] | context-: | devinheitmueller: as a side request, im guessing there is no way to multirec on the hvr-1600 ? |
| [15:39:14] | context-: | devinheitmueller: thnx for all your hide work |
| [15:39:23] | devinheitmueller: | why not? It's a standard ATSC/ClearQAM capture device. |
| [15:39:25] | wagnerrp: | sure there is, multirec works just fine on the 1600 |
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| [15:39:39] | devinheitmueller: | It should multirec just as well as any other in-kernel device. |
| [15:39:48] | context-: | ok :x |
| [15:40:05] | context-: | apparently a /lot/ of the wiki stuff is outdated :X |
| [15:40:25] | devinheitmueller: | I don't think anyone ever said there was a multirec problem with that tuner. |
| [15:40:43] | devinheitmueller: | .... and last I checked, both the MythTV and LinuxTV pages on the 1600 were pretty accurate. |
| [15:40:58] | devinheitmueller: | ... although there may be some IR related stuff that is now out of date... |
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| [15:41:40] | context-: | a little. i got the IR working. the linuxtv page still says to manually download drivers & firmware. when i did that it actually prevented my card from working (was already working right after install) |
| [15:42:03] | devinheitmueller: | If you have a relatively recent OS, you shouldn't need to manually install drivers. |
| [15:42:12] | devinheitmueller: | Oh wait, unless you have a brand new 1600, in which case you probably do. |
| [15:42:30] | devinheitmueller: | (there was a new board revision for the 1600 that needed a kernel patch, which I submitted back in March) |
| [15:42:57] | devinheitmueller: | Most distros bundle the firmware though, so usually no work is required there other than making sure the firmware package is installed. |
| [15:43:18] | devinheitmueller: | (the licensing permits free redistribution, and most distros do have a package as a result) |
| [15:43:23] | sphery: | we really need to clean up all the wiki pages that talk about setting up channels (Frontend_Channel_Editor, XMLTV_ID, XMLTV_Myth_Channel_Setup) and organize them and correct the parts that aren't exactly right or that assume to much (like that you're in particular areas of the world) |
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| [15:45:12] | context-: | yeah its ubuntu 11.04 , not new/new i dont think. it seems to be working fine with just the distro provided stuff |
| [15:45:46] | devinheitmueller: | I actually don't know what kernel Ubuntu 11.04 ended up with, but if it's working then you probably have the older board revision, so no need for new code. |
| [15:47:23] | iamlindoro: | 2.6.38 |
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| [15:48:02] | devinheitmueller: | According to my commit logs, the new 1600 support went into 2.6.39. |
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| [15:48:51] | devinheitmueller: | [git:v4l-dvb/for_v2.6.39] [media] cx18: Add support for Hauppauge HVR-1600 models with s5h1411 |
| [15:49:31] | devinheitmueller: | I'm just mentioning this in case anybody comes around saying they have a brand new HVR-1600 and for some reason they don't see the driver being loaded in dmesg. |
| [15:49:56] | devinheitmueller: | wagnerrp, iamlindoro, sphery ^ |
| [15:50:21] | eddytv: | sphery: apparently "janne" closed ticket 9862 about the signal monitor not updating while displaying video saying "that's by design". |
| [15:50:43] | devinheitmueller: | seriously? |
| [15:50:54] | wagnerrp: | janne closed ticket 9862? |
| [15:50:55] | eddytv: | I guess video capture cards are so busy sending video data they can't include an extra 6–8 bytes about the quality of the signal. |
| [15:51:01] | devinheitmueller: | So there is no way for the user to correlate signal quality reading to what the picture actually looks like? |
| [15:51:19] | sphery: | actually, was danielk |
| [15:51:22] | wagnerrp: | no, daniel did |
| [15:51:29] | eddytv: | "Tested capture cards did not record properly when signal monitoring was enabled so we pause recording while signal monitoring is in progress." |
| [15:51:31] | devinheitmueller: | Oh, I can guess what it is. The signal stats are retrieved realtime, while the video is N seconds behind. |
| [15:51:39] | wagnerrp: | yeah, i didnt think janne has been around since early in the year |
| [15:51:43] | devinheitmueller: | Woah, well that I want to know more about. |
| [15:51:46] | devinheitmueller: | Which cards? |
| [15:52:01] | sphery: | eddytv: must be that mythtv is just unable to do video playback while signal monitor is in use, now, since it's all in one thread |
| [15:52:26] | sphery: | pretty sure it used to show video, because I remember seeing the video getting blocky while helping a friend adjust his antenna |
| [15:52:38] | devinheitmueller: | If it's really all in one thread, then that I can imagine. The i2c request can take several milliseconds, which would cause DVB packets to be dropped if using the same thread. |
| [15:53:00] | sphery: | or, no, according to him, they removed the feature because of some broken capture cards/drivers... |
| [15:53:06] | eddytv: | That's definitely a bummer it doesn't work like that any more. Every other signal strength meter (i.e. the ones built in to LCD TVs, TiVo, etc.) all show the video with a signal meter OSD |
| [15:53:16] | devinheitmueller: | sphery: any mention of which cards? |
| [15:53:32] | sphery: | devinheitmueller: no... all I have is what he said at http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/9862#comment:1 |
| [15:53:58] | context-: | so would scte65scan be worth a look? getting my vtc_id (whatever it is) right now |
| [15:53:59] | sphery: | it might just be what you said... i2c slowness plus our new all UI in one thread design |
| [15:54:01] | devinheitmueller: | sphery: Yeah, this sounds more like a Myth bug than a card bug. |
| [15:54:18] | sphery: | on the bright side, the signal monitor works fine... just requires some imagination :) |
| [15:54:28] | devinheitmueller: | It *could* be a card bug if a certain card didn't properly manage its i2c gate, but that is less likely. |
| [15:55:02] | sphery: | eddytv: anyway, thanks for submitting the report--now we have an official statement we can quote when this comes up in the future |
| [15:55:15] | stuartm: | recording isn't in the same thread as playback/UI |
| [15:55:18] | devinheitmueller: | Basically digital tuner chips sometimes can have reduced reception if there is lots of i2c traffic on the bus. To counter this, many tuners employ a "gate" which blocks all traffic to the tuner except when actually talking to it. |
| [15:55:19] | sphery: | plus, I learned something about it |
| [15:55:31] | sphery: | stuartm: yeah, playback + osd updates in one thread |
| [15:56:01] | sphery: | and signal monitor is constantly updating osd, which may not leave sufficient time for decoding/playback/... |
| [15:56:26] | stuartm: | sphery: so is the playback progress OSD and it has no issues |
| [15:56:27] | eddytv: | it's too bad that all cards get the new "pause to display signal monitor" behavior instead of only "broken" capture cards |
| [15:56:33] | sphery: | though, for whatever reason, it was actually changed to not record anymore |
| [15:56:48] | devinheitmueller: | eddytv: like I said, I"m not confident this is a hardware problem at all. |
| [15:57:01] | sphery: | so at this point, the only thing being updated is the osd... which works |
| [15:57:02] | devinheitmueller: | eddytv: from what was described, this is likely to occur with all capture cards. |
| [15:57:05] | sphery: | just may not be what users expect |
| [15:57:07] | stuartm: | and it was disabled long before the decoding was moved into the UI thread |
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| [15:57:40] | sphery: | stuartm: ah, didn't realize that... guess it's been too long since I used the signal monitor (back in 0.21-fixes) |
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| [16:00:12] | stuartm: | I trust Daniel's memory on this, but maybe the problem affected stuff like the network attached tuners etc, best to ask him which I've just done |
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| [16:01:40] | sphery: | Yeah, I'm sure he's right... I just don't have any details, so I was speculating on some of the things that may have contributed to the problem... Probably shouldn't guess, though. |
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| [16:02:02] | sphery: | asking for more details /does/ make sense, though :) thanks |
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| [16:03:15] | sphery: | OK, it's official. markk has made me feel like I'm not pulling my weight in this project. He's been extremely productive, lately. |
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| [16:03:54] | eddytv: | stuartm: yes, thanks for asking Daniel for clarification. |
| [16:04:30] | ** sphery boots his dev box to try to remedy the "not pulling his weight" situation ** | |
| [16:05:42] | iamlindoro: | about time |
| [16:05:43] | iamlindoro: | ;) |
| [16:06:17] | stuartm: | sphery: do you mind turning in some work under my name? I'm a bit behind too |
| [16:06:41] | jams: | hahaha |
| [16:07:04] | sphery: | heh, I don't think you want me to do that |
| [16:07:22] | sphery: | I'll start ripping out some of the most annoying settings in your name--so you can have the arguments :) |
| [16:08:58] | stuartm: | ;) |
| [16:09:40] | Unguided: | Hello All. I am looking at building an HD DVR. Ive been battling between the ceton infinitv 4 and the new HD Homerun Prime. My questions are: has anyone had experience with the ceton infinitv 4? is it supported by mythtv? If not, How has the previous hd homeruns worked with mythtv? I realize the new homeruns have not been released yet. |
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| [16:10:03] | devinheitmueller: | Don't we have a FAQ item for this by now? |
| [16:10:04] | wagnerrp: | no, not yet, works fine |
| [16:10:18] | wagnerrp: | very likely |
| [16:10:30] | devinheitmueller: | Ceton is not supported currently (it's in development). The HDHR Prime should work when it's released. |
| [16:10:46] | wagnerrp: | the hdhr prime has been in use for over a year now |
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| [16:11:06] | devinheitmueller: | (in Nick's lab) |
| [16:11:29] | wagnerrp: | just in the lab? i thought a couple of their techs took them home for 'testing' |
| [16:11:55] | Unguided: | Okay. So if I want a solid solution a should probably go with the prime? |
| [16:12:14] | devinheitmueller: | wagnerrp: "in the lab" isn't good enough? A vendor is actively testing MythTV in their QA environment, and you're complaining? |
| [16:12:27] | devinheitmueller: | But yeah, I believe a couple of people are running it from home too. |
| [16:12:32] | wagnerrp: | no, im not complaining at all |
| [16:12:45] | wagnerrp: | in fact, theyre not just testing it, they submitted the patches to make it work in the first place |
| [16:13:01] | devinheitmueller: | Unguided: that is basically your only open. We have no idea when the Ceton will finally be supported in a mainline MythTV release. |
| [16:13:12] | devinheitmueller: | s/open/option/ |
| [16:14:09] | Unguided: | Ok. I like the idea of the tv tuner not being physically attached to any computer which should mean a lot of flexibility |
| [16:14:22] | context-: | hmm. scte65scan has no -H option :x |
| [16:15:09] | iamlindoro: | because you didn't compile it properly for HDHR |
| [16:15:17] | iamlindoro: | fewer faces, more introspection |
| [16:15:31] | iamlindoro: | ie, if something is not as documented, take a moment to consider it may be your fault |
| [16:15:46] | Unguided: | Now i just wonder if I should get the 3 or 6 tuner option. What kind of lifespan is it gonna see |
| [16:15:50] | iamlindoro: | And since you don't have an HDHomeRun, you wouldn't use the -H option anyway |
| [16:15:59] | context-: | oh :x |
| [16:16:25] | wagnerrp: | the 6-tuner HDHR is basically two of the 3-tuner boards strapped into a single frame, with a shared power input |
| [16:16:29] | context-: | there we go |
| [16:16:44] | context-: | scte65scan collecting data |
| [16:17:07] | Unguided: | Okay. Thank you all for your help. |
| [16:17:21] | context-: | since the hvr-1600 is multirec is there any 'real' reason id want to return it and get an hdhr |
| [16:18:02] | iamlindoro: | multirec is not the same as multituner |
| [16:18:32] | iamlindoro: | multirec means recording multiple programs off a single multiplex |
| [16:18:58] | iamlindoro: | the HDHR is two physical tuners, meaning two different frequencies at once |
| [16:19:06] | context-: | im so in the not know :x |
| [16:19:26] | context-: | oh. so you could record 1 and watch another at most still? :x |
| [16:19:33] | iamlindoro: | No |
| [16:19:50] | iamlindoro: | You probably want to do some reading on how digital television works |
| [16:20:21] | context-: | heh |
| [16:20:23] | iamlindoro: | Digital broadcast often, but not always, involves sending multiple of what you consider "channels" one physical frequency |
| [16:20:39] | iamlindoro: | which is determined entirely by the engineering at the broadcaster |
| [16:21:05] | iamlindoro: | if your broadcaster multiplexes ABC and NBC on the same physical frequency, multirec allows you to record those specific two with one physical tuner |
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| [16:21:40] | iamlindoro: | The HVR-1600 has one digital tuner and one analog tuner |
| [16:21:53] | devinheitmueller: | In the US, multirec is really only useful with digital cable. With over-the-air, you generally won't find more than one "good channel" on a given frequency. |
| [16:21:55] | context-: | yes |
| [16:22:00] | iamlindoro: | so for digital purposes, you could record one frequency, however much is muxed on that frequency, at a time |
| [16:22:23] | iamlindoro: | the HDHomeRun is two digital tuners, meaning you could record the entire contents of any *two* frequencies at a time |
| [16:22:28] | context-: | so you /could/ record and watch, but you'd be limited |
| [16:22:37] | iamlindoro: | multirec is of relatively limited utility for most people in the US. It is very useful in DVB countries |
| [16:22:40] | sphery: | record and watch is unrelated |
| [16:22:45] | sphery: | watch is still watching recordings |
| [16:22:46] | devinheitmueller: | In most OTA cases, on a given frequency you have a major network with one or two "useless" channels also provided on that network, like "NBC Weather". |
| [16:22:47] | context-: | kk |
| [16:22:57] | sphery: | so it's just a matter of how many separate frequencies do you want to record at once |
| [16:23:27] | context-: | kk. whats the most tuners you can get in one box. the hvr is kind of limiting it sounds |
| [16:23:28] | sphery: | on comcast, you may actually have a few useful channels on the same frequency |
| [16:23:51] | sphery: | but you should still have sufficient tuners to let you tune a separate frequency for each show you want to record concurrently |
| [16:23:54] | context-: | or keep the hvr and get an hdhr but then thats two coax cables |
| [16:23:57] | sphery: | think of multirec as "bonus" |
| [16:24:12] | context-: | i want 5 tuners |
| [16:24:13] | context-: | :/ |
| [16:24:29] | sphery: | heh.. I have 4, and it's nice--though in a couple of situations, I've needed 5 |
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| [16:24:31] | iamlindoro: | Then buy 5 tuners |
| [16:24:33] | context-: | 3–4 will suffice |
| [16:24:42] | sphery: | (mainly Thursday nights--since they like to put all the good shows up against each other) |
| [16:24:46] | context-: | iamlindoro: i dont want 5 coax cables plugged into a machine |
| [16:24:57] | iamlindoro: | context-: Why? |
| [16:25:02] | iamlindoro: | and btw, yes, you do |
| [16:25:05] | context-: | why use 5 when one will do |
| [16:25:09] | sphery: | put the machine in another room/closet/... and no one will know |
| [16:25:14] | iamlindoro: | you want to control splitting and aplification outside the box, not with internal splitters |
| [16:25:20] | iamlindoro: | because one won't do |
| [16:25:25] | context-: | oh. |
| [16:25:28] | context-: | kk. |
| [16:25:42] | context-: | so i might just go get 2 more of these hvr's |
| [16:26:08] | sphery: | one big benefit of getting multiple of the same tuner is that you've already figured out how to configure it and make it work :) |
| [16:27:05] | context-: | ;) |
| [16:27:16] | context-: | hte hdhr looks pretty easy though :x |
| [16:27:35] | context-: | OK ! |
| [16:27:42] | context-: | i think all that data is in my database nice |
| [16:27:52] | context-: | ~255 or so entries |
| [16:27:59] | Shadow__X: | is there a way to add stored responces to beirdo-bot? it might make things easier instead of having to repeat the same answer |
| [16:30:00] | context-: | kk. any reason i cant run mythfilldatabase while backend is running? its just the backend setup that requires to shut it down right ? |
| [16:31:20] | context-: | err guess i still need xmltv id's |
| [16:31:29] | context-: | should just download the channels and write a quick script |
| [16:32:34] | Unguided: | Is there a limit to the number of extenders mythtv will support? |
| [16:32:46] | wagnerrp: | extenders? |
| [16:33:04] | Unguided: | i meant frontends? |
| [16:33:19] | wagnerrp: | there is no hard coded limit |
| [16:33:34] | wagnerrp: | there may be functional limits depending on your network and backend hardware |
| [16:34:36] | context-: | no nm did not need to put those in |
| [16:34:40] | Unguided: | oh ok. i want to setup a video server in the basement and then stream to the televisions/computers throughout the house. I have a gigabit infrastructure and dual band wireless |
| [16:34:59] | wagnerrp: | dont bother with wireless |
| [16:35:06] | context-: | thnx all for putting up with me |
| [16:35:11] | wagnerrp: | use wired for any permanent installations |
| [16:35:29] | Unguided: | yeah. wireless is too unpredictable |
| [16:36:01] | Unguided: | fortunately my my two main rooms for television are hard wired to the network |
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| [16:37:31] | sphery: | context-: normally, you will run mythfilldatabase while the backend is running--after you've configured your channels properly |
| [16:37:41] | context-: | yupe |
| [16:37:48] | Unguided: | I am currently trying to replace two tivo boxes. they are HD but the service fees and functionality are just not there anymore in my opinion |
| [16:37:50] | context-: | i have it running |
| [16:37:53] | sphery: | context-: it's only when you make changes to capture cards, video sources, input connections, or channels that you need to restart mythtv |
| [16:39:51] | context-: | not really sure i got all the channels though :x |
| [16:40:50] | context-: | that and i think i only have the sd :x |
| [16:41:17] | context-: | which i think is the only type scte65scan can find |
| [16:41:29] | context-: | any easy way to scan/collect HD channels? |
| [16:41:58] | devinheitmueller: | Since SCTE65 is really only targeted at DTAs, I am not surprised it doesn't return any HD channels. The DTAs are not allowed to do hi-def. |
| [16:42:09] | wagnerrp: | not allowed or not capable? |
| [16:42:18] | devinheitmueller: | wagnerrp: not allowed, due to the cablecard rules. |
| [16:42:43] | devinheitmueller: | Basically, if your STB does HD, then it has to have a cablecard, which means it will use the out-of-band tuner instead of STCE65. |
| [16:43:07] | wagnerrp: | well at least any encrypted channels... |
| [16:43:09] | sphery: | didn't I hear talk of comcast's scte65 signaling moving in band (at least in some areas)? if so, wouldn't that break scte65scan? |
| [16:43:29] | context-: | stb? :x |
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| [16:43:35] | devinheitmueller: | wagnerrp: various manufacturers have submitted for FCC waivers to do HD boxes without Cablecard, but as far as I know none have been approved. |
| [16:43:53] | Shadow__X: | context-: there is a flag for scte scan that scans qam |
| [16:43:53] | devinheitmueller: | sphery: SCTE65 is inherently in-band. It's the inband alternative to having an OOB tuner. |
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| [16:44:10] | Shadow__X: | context-: stb stands for set top box |
| [16:44:18] | wagnerrp: | devinheitmueller: i mean there is nothing preventing anyone from releasing a HD capable box that does not encryption |
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| [16:44:40] | devinheitmueller: | wagnerrp: that is correct, but none of the providers are willing to do HD without encryption. |
| [16:44:50] | wagnerrp: | true enough |
| [16:44:51] | context-: | Shadow__X: mm dont see LX |
| [16:45:20] | context-: | i have the cable plugged directly in ht hvr. it was doing HD last night, but i did scan directly in the backend setup |
| [16:45:22] | devinheitmueller: | T he FCC waivers filed are to allow boxes to receive HD using encryption other than cablecard. |
| [16:45:24] | sphery: | ok, maybe "in band" isn't the right word... I meant that someone was saying that it's now appearing on the same freqs as the channel and that previously we never saw that (it was always a separate freq) |
| [16:45:35] | devinheitmueller: | sphery: Ah, ok. |
| [16:46:32] | devinheitmueller: | I haven't seen any cases where the STCE65 was available on all frequencies, but it is technically possible. It's also possible you'll run into PSIP (whether it's TVCT or CVCT) on channels that are also covered by STCE65 |
| [16:46:46] | devinheitmueller: | ... mostly as a result of retransmission of PSIP info from broadcast channels. |
| [16:47:07] | sphery: | yeah, then again, our scanner may just be misinterpreting something else on the freqs and calling it scte data |
| [16:47:26] | sphery: | guess I need to google to find the definition of "in band" :) |
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| [16:48:05] | devinheitmueller: | possible, but generally those PIDs conform to reserved values, so you are unlikely to find other stuff on that pid. |
| [16:48:13] | Shadow__X: | context-: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Scte65scan is a good place to look if you arent already there |
| [16:48:16] | sphery: | ah, yeah, now I see why that word doesn't work |
| [16:48:55] | kisak: | kormoc: what's the success conditions you use when making new ebuilds |
| [16:49:05] | Shadow__X: | also -p scans for more channels specifically atsc but i am pretty sure i used -p to pickup the channels i was missing. You also need to make sure you scan under hrc and irc too |
| [16:49:30] | context-: | alrighty and my remote stops working |
| [16:49:59] | Shadow__X: | and i am hungry |
| [16:50:47] | kormoc: | kisak, "Does the mbe start and record and does the frontend play?" |
| [16:51:24] | context-: | Shadow__X: kk will take a look as soon as i get remote working again |
| [16:51:45] | kisak: | oh ... hmm, I don't have a testing backend, just the production backend |
| [16:52:06] | kisak: | just means I'll have to commit whole-heartedly |
| [16:53:27] | context-: | WTF remote. you worked 5 minutes ago |
| [16:53:39] | context-: | and nothing has changed |
| [16:54:04] | context-: | oh wait. ok something is going on with this box |
| [16:55:36] | context-: | so i take it there is no 'easy' way to scan the HD channels? |
| [16:55:47] | kisak: | mythvideo was merged into mythtv recently, wasn't it? |
| [16:55:50] | context-: | Shadow__X: thnx. thats what i was looking at. i was able to get all the sd channels |
| [16:55:52] | Unguided: | ok all. |
| [16:56:13] | Unguided: | off to work. Thanks again for all of your help. Have a great day today |
| [16:56:28] | context-: | and now the frontend cant connect tothe backend... that is running |
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| [16:57:17] | context-: | and my remote /really/ stopped working |
| [16:59:18] | Shadow__X: | context-: to get an idea of channels http://www.silicondust.com/support/channels/ |
| [17:00:01] | context-: | apparently smacking the receiver works |
| [17:00:51] | context-: | Shadow__X: ahh nice. yeah that shows the 5–6 basic channels |
| [17:01:07] | context-: | none of the others though |
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| [17:04:27] | context-: | is it possible my provider using using the normal calbe and/or irc/hrc |
| [17:05:35] | context-: | or would the normal scan not have found anything then |
| [17:06:49] | devinheitmueller: | context-: if you're finding the same channels as the silicondust report, then most likely everything is working as expected. |
| [17:07:43] | iamlindoro: | kisak: yes |
| [17:07:54] | devinheitmueller: | The fact that it s**ks that is all you can receive without a cablebox is something you should complain to your cable company about. |
| [17:07:57] | iamlindoro: | well, into core-- it's always been part of mythtv, it's just no longer a plugin |
| [17:08:04] | devinheitmueller: | (... not that they will care) |
| [17:08:18] | context-: | devinheitmueller: its got a few more than me |
| [17:09:00] | devinheitmueller: | How many more? 2? 15? |
| [17:09:06] | iamlindoro: | things get re-engineered, and the SiliconDust listing is capable of false positives too |
| [17:09:09] | context-: | 5–6 i think |
| [17:09:26] | context-: | 7, that im looking at anyway |
| [17:09:47] | devinheitmueller: | It's possible that those frequencies are in the high band (above 854 MHz), which would be a problem with some tuners including the HVR-1600. |
| [17:09:56] | devinheitmueller: | ... doubtful though. |
| [17:10:04] | context-: | so if the scan didn't find them im prolly not gonna be able to watch them on mythtv ? |
| [17:10:12] | context-: | it found /none/ of the HD channels i receive |
| [17:10:12] | devinheitmueller: | correct. |
| [17:10:18] | context-: | hmmm |
| [17:10:21] | iamlindoro: | myth scan, or scte65scan? |
| [17:10:25] | context-: | scte |
| [17:10:28] | devinheitmueller: | Were any of the HD channels in the SD output? |
| [17:10:39] | context-: | not that i see anyway |
| [17:10:44] | iamlindoro: | because SCTE65scan pulls in the VCTs for DTAs |
| [17:10:49] | iamlindoro: | which don't get HD channels |
| [17:10:58] | devinheitmueller: | Yeah, like I said earlier, HD channels won't be in SCTE65. |
| [17:11:16] | devinheitmueller: | They should show up though if you do a generic cable scan in Myth though. |
| [17:11:32] | iamlindoro: | Which brings us full circle, where you should scan with myth, give them XMLTVids, and be done with it |
| [17:11:35] | context-: | mmm, kk |
| [17:11:46] | context-: | yeah im lazy |
| [17:12:45] | sphery: | if only we could put all the time that people waste spending hours trying to figure out how to do something to avoid a little bit of effort... imagine where the world could be |
| [17:13:12] | Shadow__X: | a better place? |
| [17:13:13] | context-: | heh |
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| [17:14:48] | devinheitmueller: | sphery: less exciting? |
| [17:14:57] | devinheitmueller: | Oh wait, nevermind. |
| [17:15:11] | sphery: | (that said, I'm guilty of spending 10hrs trying to figure out how to a) make a bootable FreeDOS floppy image and sys it all inside GNU/Linux, b) configure a USB flash drive to boot said floppy image as well as CD ISOs of tons of distros just so I didn't have to spend 10mins pulling the floppy and DVD drives out of one box to use them in the one where I needed them |
| [17:16:01] | sphery: | so I saved 10min that night at the expense of 10hrs... but I'll never need to move my floppy/DVD drives around again :) |
| [17:16:41] | devinheitmueller: | what is a "floppy"? |
| [17:16:57] | context-: | heh |
| [17:17:01] | sphery: | heh |
| [17:17:13] | sphery: | something that hard drive manufacturers seem to think we still have |
| [17:18:04] | sphery: | (needed to flash the firmware on a HDD they gave me a DOS utility and said to put it on a floppy that's usable after booting DOS) |
| [17:18:34] | context-: | so last question, for now. it /is/ possible there are channels my stb will show that myth will not get but unlikely ? |
| [17:19:25] | devinheitmueller: | absolutely. Your STB is likely to get all sorts of channels that MythTV won't receive. |
| [17:19:32] | sphery: | it's probably that your STB will show encrypted channels and it's definite that MythTV will not get them without CableCARD |
| [17:19:35] | context-: | :/ |
| [17:19:48] | context-: | so how do i get cablecard :/ |
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| [17:20:00] | sphery: | and even with cablecard, you can only record those shows on those channels that are marked as copy freely |
| [17:20:11] | devinheitmueller: | wait for the HDHR Prime to be released next month? |
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| [17:20:36] | context-: | sounds like a plan. |
| [17:20:37] | sphery: | you will be able to get all the unencrypted "ClearQAM" channels on the line, though |
| [17:20:41] | devinheitmueller: | If your goal is really to get "every channel your STB" can receive, then your only real option is to keep the STB and use an HD-PVR. |
| [17:20:52] | context-: | sphery: so the crap thats already free |
| [17:21:00] | sphery: | and you should have at least a few of those--if nothing else, the local channels are likely available unencrypted |
| [17:21:29] | sphery: | agreed... HD-PVR is the only way to get everything your STB gets (and keep it in HDTV) |
| [17:21:58] | context-: | i want my dvr to not be ugly as all hell. and not limited to just a dvr, and not limited to the small storage the stb dvr gives me. and not spend the extra monthly feee |
| [17:22:12] | sphery: | can you get an STB that |
| [17:22:14] | sphery: | 's not a DVR? |
| [17:22:19] | context-: | yes |
| [17:22:24] | sphery: | if so, get that, save teh DVR fees, then hook it up to mythtv |
| [17:22:29] | context-: | i dont want to deal with ir blasters though |
| [17:22:34] | context-: | ive seen those things not work |
| [17:22:47] | sphery: | and, as I mentioned earlier, put the whole setup--mythtv backend, cable STB, tuners, etc.--in another room where ugly isn't a problem |
| [17:22:59] | sphery: | heh, I used an IR blaster for years without any problems |
| [17:23:05] | devinheitmueller: | If your STB has a firewire port, you could potentially use that for channel changing. |
| [17:23:17] | sphery: | only problems I had was when my STB was turned off |
| [17:23:29] | context-: | ... |
| [17:23:30] | devinheitmueller: | (for example in my last setup I had an HD-PVR connected to a Motorola STB, with firewire for changing the channel) |
| [17:23:45] | context-: | ok, scratch all that |
| [17:23:45] | sphery: | (though eventually a user reverse engineered the remote protocol and found the discrete power on/off codes, so that wasn't a problem) |
| [17:23:55] | context-: | so... the Prime will get the encrypted crap and let me record? |
| [17:24:06] | sphery: | the prime will be able to access channels you pay for |
| [17:24:11] | context-: | <3 |
| [17:24:17] | sphery: | it will pass through any "copy freely" shows on those channels |
| [17:24:21] | devinheitmueller: | context-: encrypted content yes, but it won't let you record channels unless they are marked "copy freely" |
| [17:24:34] | sphery: | meaning that you will have failures of individual shows which are not marked copy freely |
| [17:24:34] | wagnerrp: | mythtv does not support DRM of any sort |
| [17:24:42] | devinheitmueller: | So for example, it probably won't let you record HBO. |
| [17:24:45] | wagnerrp: | so the prime will not trust it to handle the copy protected content |
| [17:24:58] | sphery: | in other words, cable card is access control, and the copy freely/copy once/copy never flags are copy control |
| [17:25:06] | wagnerrp: | its the same behavior as trying to record off a firewire-connected STB |
| [17:25:19] | wagnerrp: | but more reliable |
| [17:25:20] | sphery: | HDHR gets you through access control, but nothing can get you through copy control in MythTV |
| [17:25:32] | sphery: | er, HDHR Prime gets you through access control |
| [17:26:45] | context-: | ok |
| [17:27:04] | context-: | the current hdhr does not to access control? |
| [17:27:13] | wagnerrp: | no, unencrypted content only |
| [17:27:27] | context-: | guess i will return this and wait for the prime |
| [17:27:33] | sphery: | (that said, some people find that most or all shows they know of have been marked copy freely... but HD-PVR will /always/ work--no matter what happens in the future--assuming you have an analog output on your STB) |
| [17:27:41] | wagnerrp: | return what? |
| [17:27:55] | wagnerrp: | you have an HDPVR currently? |
| [17:27:58] | context-: | the HVR-1600 |
| [17:28:04] | wagnerrp: | oh |
| [17:28:11] | context-: | if its only gonna find basic cable |
| [17:28:18] | sphery: | you could use the HVR-1600 with the analog encoder and connect that to your STB |
| [17:28:32] | sphery: | you'll get everything in SDTV, but you'll get everything |
| [17:28:57] | sphery: | it's basically got a standard def encoder similar in principle to the HD-PVRs high def encoder |
| [17:29:10] | context-: | im getting all the SDTV directly connected |
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| [17:29:23] | devinheitmueller: | I love it when people return products because they didn't do any research ahead of time. |
| [17:29:24] | context-: | do you know how bad SD looks on 55 inches of LED ? |
| [17:29:33] | sphery: | and can use the HVR-1600's digital tuner to directly receive unencrypted HDTV |
| [17:29:39] | wagnerrp: | you actually have an LED TV? |
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| [17:29:50] | sphery: | LED backlight = LED, right? |
| [17:29:53] | context-: | devinheitmueller: heh. i dont feel so bad. i spend so much at best buy and rarely return anything |
| [17:29:54] | wagnerrp: | that must have been expensive |
| [17:29:55] | sphery: | that's what the TV companies say! |
| [17:29:56] | context-: | wagnerrp: yes |
| [17:30:09] | wagnerrp: | as in, high tens of thousands |
| [17:30:17] | context-: | no? |
| [17:30:25] | sphery: | IMHO, LED TV = large Light Bright |
| [17:30:33] | devinheitmueller: | context-: you understand that it's Hauppauge that eats the cost, right? Not Best Buy? |
| [17:30:41] | devinheitmueller: | Anyway, whatever. |
| [17:30:49] | context-: | :-/ |
| [17:30:56] | context-: | ok ill sell it on craigslist |
| [17:30:59] | sphery: | devinheitmueller: interesting... I always wondered about that |
| [17:31:04] | wagnerrp: | when you see ads for a LED TV |
| [17:31:12] | wagnerrp: | it does not actually display the image using LEDs |
| [17:31:14] | sphery: | context-: I still think if you took time to set it up, you'd find it's good enough for now |
| [17:31:24] | wagnerrp: | the LEDs are only used in the backlight, replacing the old CCFL backlights |
| [17:31:27] | sphery: | and then you can add additional capability, for example when the HDHR Prime is available |
| [17:32:32] | sphery: | wagnerrp: so is the LED backlight really that much more efficient than CCFL? I will admit that you can get more control over backlight intensity across the screen with LED, but I didn't think CCFL was that inefficient in the first place |
| [17:32:45] | eddytv: | Around here, Comcast encrypts everything, making a standard QAM tuner (like the one built in to your TV) pretty much useless except for the "must carry" channels. |
| [17:32:55] | wagnerrp: | sphery: no, theyre comparable efficiencies |
| [17:32:55] | context-: | sphery: yeah. it /was/ getting ESPN (i think) last night in HD so ill mess with it tonight and see what happens |
| [17:33:18] | eddytv: | However, I recently read that WOW is moving away from encrypting everything, allowing people to use their QAM tuners again. |
| [17:33:19] | wagnerrp: | the LEDs give you better control over backlight intensity and color |
| [17:33:25] | context-: | see i think the wiki needs clean pages for info like eddytv just said |
| [17:33:25] | sphery: | wagnerrp: heh, so the efficiency claims for using LED are all just marketing... funny |
| [17:33:47] | context-: | provider, channel file to load, limitations, etc |
| [17:33:58] | sphery: | eddytv: there were some threads to that effect on -users list about WoW |
| [17:34:10] | sphery: | now if they were WoE, I might be able to consider them |
| [17:34:21] | sphery: | (Wide Open East...) |
| [17:34:55] | context-: | any recommended readings as far as understanding digital cable and the such so i can be asking less rudimentary questions hee |
| [17:34:56] | wagnerrp: | sphery: neither LEDs nor CFLs are all that efficient |
| [17:34:57] | context-: | here* |
| [17:35:01] | wagnerrp: | its just that incandescents are terrible |
| [17:35:31] | wagnerrp: | the sodium lamps you see on the street beat out both by a wide margin |
| [17:35:42] | sphery: | really... interesting |
| [17:35:55] | sphery: | so what I need is an Arclight in my TV as well as on it |
| [17:36:13] | wagnerrp: | no, because sodium has awful color |
| [17:36:15] | sphery: | (Sodium Arc Lamp... nvm. might be too much of a stretch) |
| [17:36:46] | sphery: | I'm still holding out for SED, NED, and/or FED |
| [17:37:23] | wagnerrp: | LEDs and CFLs range 50–100 L/W |
| [17:37:28] | wagnerrp: | sodium go up to 200 |
| [17:37:41] | wagnerrp: | while incandescent are closer to 20 |
| [17:37:46] | sphery: | I'm really starting to get FED up with the wait--and since Canon SED they were dropping their research, I'm stuck waiting on Motorola to get their NED working... |
| [17:38:39] | wagnerrp: | actually, the high efficiency projection lamps get up to double that by running very near the thermal limit tungsten, but suffer in lifetime as a result |
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| [17:39:13] | sphery: | I have a DLP with the non-LED bulb... so is that the high-efficiency tungsten lamp? |
| [17:39:38] | wagnerrp: | what is the lifetime? |
| [17:40:22] | context-: | no reading recommendations i guess? :x might have to become friends with someone who works at the cable co |
| [17:40:50] | wagnerrp: | context: there is http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Recording_Digital_Cable |
| [17:40:58] | wagnerrp: | but i dont really think thats the kind of information youre looking for |
| [17:41:54] | context-: | nah but ill check it out anyway |
| [17:42:07] | sphery: | they say 6000hrs |
| [17:42:24] | wagnerrp: | that seems awfully long |
| [17:42:44] | sphery: | yeah, on avsforum, some replaced them after 1000 and others after 3000 and such |
| [17:43:02] | sphery: | then again, the "they" = a place selling a bulb |
| [17:43:10] | sphery: | http://www.ereplacements.com/rptvlamp/samsung--hlr6768w-lamp |
| [17:44:14] | wagnerrp: | 6khrs might be sustained use, no cycling, on a vibration damped surface |
| [17:44:41] | wagnerrp: | 1k is much more reasonable |
| [17:45:05] | sphery: | I'm pretty sure I'm over 1K now... it's definitely not as bright as new |
| [17:45:34] | sphery: | I should go into the diagnostic menu and get the lamp hours |
| [17:45:36] | context-: | kk guess im gonna let this thing scan and run and get food |
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| [17:46:54] | Shadow__X: | seeing the refresh scan on my current big screen tv is no fun |
| [17:47:27] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: don't worry about the -v help on filldb, I fixed it last night |
| [17:47:34] | wagnerrp: | i saw, thanks |
| [17:47:47] | context-: | and stupid question, even with the prime, im assuming on demand / PPV will never be attained on myth |
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| [17:49:35] | sphery: | heh, "pureglare tv lamp module"--what a bad name http://www.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sku=218 . . . id=122023907 |
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| [17:50:54] | sphery: | context-: the problem with on demand is that you generally have to do things with the remote and there's no listing data, so it's not something that a) mythtv knows about to schedule for recording and b) mythtv knows how to order automatically (which is good when it comes to the pay per view stuff) |
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| [17:51:17] | context-: | oh, so PPV is a win |
| [17:51:22] | context-: | not that i ever use ppv |
| [17:51:29] | wagnerrp: | a win? |
| [17:51:37] | context-: | heh |
| [17:51:54] | context-: | 'good thing' 'possible' 'thumbs up' |
| [17:51:54] | wagnerrp: | the other issue is that on demand content can generally be captured by a standard digital tuner |
| [17:52:06] | wagnerrp: | no, PPV is not reasonably possible |
| [17:52:12] | context-: | oh ok |
| [17:52:17] | sphery: | context-: you /can/ always start a manual recording (to give it a useful name and a "padded" recording run time), then use the STB remote to start it (or rig up some way to send the right commands to the STB through your channel change script) |
| [17:52:48] | sphery: | "good when it comes to PPV" meant it's good that MythTV can't automatically start PPV shows that cost you money |
| [17:53:12] | context-: | ahh gotcha |
| [17:53:23] | Shadow__X: | wagnerrp: by that do you mean it was unencrypted? because atleast here that was true for awhile but now seems to be encrypted |
| [17:53:24] | context-: | kk ill stop bugging you guys and play around for a little while |
| [17:53:25] | sphery: | so it's possible, but it's not at all automatic |
| [17:53:42] | wagnerrp: | Shadow__X: well they may have changed it |
| [17:53:49] | wagnerrp: | at least last time i cared to go looking |
| [17:53:58] | sphery: | (at least it's possible with an analog encoder, like the HVR-1600 or the HD-PVR) |
| [17:54:02] | wagnerrp: | you would generally pick up a few on-demand streams when scanning for channels at night |
| [17:55:06] | Shadow__X: | yeah i know but here that does not seem to happen anymore |
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| [17:56:20] | sphery: | maybe the cable co got wise to the people who were leeching off others ppv |
| [17:56:36] | devinheitmueller: | Shadow__X: the encryption at the headend used to be computationally expensive, so they would sometimes fall back to unencrypted for some streams when there was high load. |
| [17:56:42] | devinheitmueller: | ... nowadays it's less of an issue. |
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| [17:57:17] | devinheitmueller: | Basically they made a business decision that the cost of not being able to provide the streams at all was higher than the risk of providing unencrypted streams in certain high-load situations. |
| [17:57:39] | devinheitmueller: | ... and as encryption hardware has gotten cheaper/faster over the last couple of years, they are able to keep up with the capacity. |
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| [18:05:07] | context-: | ok def nothing on HRC, it is finding stuff on IRC though |
| [18:05:33] | devinheitmueller: | IRC and "regular cable" are almost identical. |
| [18:05:46] | devinheitmueller: | there are only one or two frequencies that are different. |
| [18:05:58] | context-: | oh :x |
| [18:06:49] | context-: | didnt appear to find any of my HD though :x |
| [18:07:30] | sphery: | you are using the digital tuner, right? not using the analog encoder (set up as an IVTV MPEG-2 encoder)? |
| [18:07:52] | context-: | correct |
| [18:07:58] | sphery: | ok, just wanted to make sure :) |
| [18:07:59] | context-: | never setup sourcing for the analog |
| [18:08:26] | context-: | but it did bork my channel listing :/ |
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| [18:11:35] | context-: | whats the scan mean when it says it 'found xx unused transports' |
| [18:12:29] | context-: | yeah only found the basic HD channels from the looks of it |
| [18:12:47] | sphery: | that sounds like exactly what you said--comcast is encrypting everything else |
| [18:13:28] | sphery: | FWIW, though, SDTV can look beautiful on a 55" (or even 67") HDTV... It's just the NTSC that looks like garbage. |
| [18:14:07] | sphery: | (meaning that a good quality progressive scan DVD still looks good, but anything that goes into NTSC format (or uses S-Video/Composite baseband) will look much worse) |
| [18:14:18] | context-: | sphery: yeah i thought i saw ESPN-HD last night but im probably mistaken, i was tired |
| [18:14:29] | sphery: | which doesn't help much with the HVR-1600, since it gets input via NTSC or baseband |
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| [18:16:05] | Shadow__X: | devinheitmueller: oh ok i gotcha that makes sense |
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| [18:16:40] | context-: | or is trying to do the 'check decryptability' worth running ? |
| [18:16:45] | wagnerrp: | nope |
| [18:17:22] | sphery: | that's for people who have hardware CAM (conditional access modules), which aren't available in the US |
| [18:20:30] | context-: | and the guide button stopped working |
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| [18:30:40] | Slasher`: | i've plugged my laptop into my pvr-150 via a direct working s-video lead, to test the s-video input and see if it is working properly, however, now i've done that, the mythtv output is mostly fuzz. i can vaguely make out a jumping picture of my laptop screen but that's obviously not very good to have to squint to see what's going on lol... does anyone have any idea what i could do to change the setting and get a clear picture please? |
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| [18:32:18] | jst: | Where can I find mythlink.pl, flush_deleted_recordings.pl, etc.? |
| [18:32:40] | Slasher`: | mines in /usr/share/doc/mythtv-backend/contrib/user_jobs/ if that helps? |
| [18:32:46] | wagnerrp: | what is flush_deleted_recordings.pl supposed to do? |
| [18:33:45] | jst: | Slasher`: It got removed from there for me. #RPMFusion confirmed this. |
| [18:34:04] | jst: | wagnerrp: Okay, forget that one, I need mythlink.pl and myth_upcoming_recordings. |
| [18:34:18] | jst: | RPMFusion said they were moved to the wiki, but I cannot find them. |
| [18:34:25] | Slasher`: | ah, sorry then, i can't help you |
| [18:35:14] | jst: | I have copies of them, but I'm not sure if they'll break with future changes. |
| [18:35:17] | jst: | Oh well. |
| [18:35:22] | jst: | Thanks anyway, Slasher`. |
| [18:35:34] | wagnerrp: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Mythlink.pl |
| [18:35:41] | wagnerrp: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Myth_upcoming_recordings.pl |
| [18:36:05] | Shadow__X: | what do you guys think http://www.logicbuy.com/deals/lg-42pw350-42-i . . . v/29859.aspx |
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| [18:41:00] | kisak: | kormoc: there's a file conflict between the new mythtv ebuild I'm fiddling with and mythvideo, do I need to go look for something to put in the mythtv ebuild to block mythvideo or should it just be left for the user to discover since it is bleeding edge |
| [18:41:45] | wagnerrp: | need to put in a blocker to force mythvideo to be uninstalled before mythtv is updated |
| [18:41:47] | wagnerrp: | ill take care of it |
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| [18:44:58] | sphery: | Slasher`: is the pvr-150 set to ntsc or pal? have you tried the other |
| [18:45:14] | sphery: | wagnerrp: it's a useless thing that deletes all recordings in the deleted recgroup |
| [18:45:27] | kisak: | wagnerrp: well, if you're handling this then there's not much point in duplicated effort, is a new ebuild a priority for you wagnerrp? |
| [18:45:47] | wagnerrp: | yeah, ive been meaning to update the builds for a while |
| [18:45:50] | wagnerrp: | need to update |
| [18:46:08] | Slasher`: | sphery; it's set to pal, yes i've tried ntsc as well but let me just try again incase |
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| [18:48:05] | Slasher`: | ok when i switch to ntsc i get a more clear picture but it's still extremely blurry and now has green over it too |
| [18:49:06] | sphery: | try leaving it ntsc and do another cold boot? |
| [18:49:14] | jst: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Mythical.pl == amazing |
| [18:49:19] | sphery: | I'm guessing not a lot of people try switching from pal->ntsc on those |
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| [18:49:32] | sphery: | jst: I think mythweb has ical support built in |
| [18:49:33] | Slasher`: | well the card is an ntsc card |
| [18:49:37] | sphery: | right |
| [18:49:43] | Slasher`: | but i'm going to be putting a pal input to it at some point |
| [18:49:54] | Slasher`: | i have no idea what my laptop outputs as |
| [18:50:01] | sphery: | but whether the adapter is converting it to an ntsc signal??? |
| [18:50:14] | sphery: | I'm guessing the laptop is outputting as ntsc |
| [18:50:22] | sphery: | if it's looking better in ntsc |
| [18:50:32] | Slasher`: | probably |
| [18:50:41] | sphery: | the green cast could be due to problems with the cable (as color is a whole separate signal in s-vid) |
| [18:50:55] | Slasher`: | hang on i'll screenshot both |
| [18:50:56] | sphery: | generally, though, I've seen it as b&w when there were problems |
| [18:52:22] | Slasher`: | http://bitpic.bitboxes.co.uk/images/902ntsc.png <ntsc |
| [18:53:28] | Slasher`: | http://bitpic.bitboxes.co.uk/images/579pal.png <pal |
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| [18:53:55] | devinheitmueller: | Slasher`: is this off the tuner input? Or is it s-video/composite? |
| [18:54:08] | Slasher`: | s-video |
| [18:54:37] | Slasher`: | im using a low profile pvr-150 if that helps |
| [18:54:46] | devinheitmueller: | Something is seriously borked with the video decoder. |
| [18:54:53] | Slasher`: | it would seem so lol |
| [18:54:56] | devinheitmueller: | Slasher`: have you tried sticking the card into a Windows box to make sure it works? |
| [18:55:05] | Slasher`: | hmm no i havent |
| [18:55:10] | Slasher`: | i dont have a windows box to try it in |
| [18:55:25] | devinheitmueller: | This might be a hardware problem. You really should validate that the hardware is good. |
| [18:55:38] | devinheitmueller: | Find a buddy who will let you drop the card into his/her Windows box. |
| [18:56:11] | Slasher`: | wouldnt work through virtualbox would it? lol |
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| [18:56:24] | devinheitmueller: | No |
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| [18:57:00] | Slasher`: | i'll see about slapping it into my dads pc later on then |
| [18:57:12] | Slasher`: | hopefully win vista will pick up the drivers etc |
| [18:57:24] | devinheitmueller: | Yeah, I would definitely rule out a hardware issue before digging to much into why it doesn't work on win32. |
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| [18:57:50] | Slasher`: | im using ubuntu x64 if that could affect things? |
| [18:58:01] | Slasher`: | i could try it in a different pci slot too maybe |
| [19:00:01] | sphery: | I'd say test in Windows |
| [19:00:36] | sphery: | that definitely looks to be more than a problem with the cable/scart->s-video adapter or whatever |
| [19:01:26] | sphery: | and I hope--after what you had to pay for it + import taxes, etc.--that someone on ebay didn't sell you a bad one |
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| [19:04:59] | Slasher`: | it wasnt from ebay either lol |
| [19:05:09] | Slasher`: | i got it cheaper than they were listed on ebay |
| [19:05:30] | Slasher`: | oooh hang on i told a lie |
| [19:05:35] | Slasher`: | i have a windows box here i was fixing |
| [19:05:37] | Slasher`: | i can use that :D |
| [19:06:29] | sphery: | heh, well that's worse if some vendor sold you a bad one |
| [19:07:08] | Slasher`: | i'll be pissed off if they have lol |
| [19:07:30] | Slasher`: | oops sorry swearings not allowed in here, i forgot |
| [19:07:51] | Slasher`: | right brb need to turn my pc off |
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| [19:14:05] | wagnerrp: | swearings? |
| [19:15:17] | sphery: | yeah, definitely not on the same level as some have tried |
| [19:15:27] | wagnerrp: | i must have missed it |
| [19:15:34] | kisak: | wagnerrp: here's what I've tested so far: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/417632/ it compiled fine on a frontend and I'm now moving on to testing the backend |
| [19:15:54] | sphery: | the "i'll be [upset] if they have lol" comment |
| [19:16:39] | Slasher`: | hmm? |
| [19:16:46] | Slasher`: | i really should add playback to this bnc lol |
| [19:17:08] | kisak: | wagnerrp: it cut the file name away (which is obviously mythtv-0.25_pre20110623.ebuild) |
| [19:18:26] | wagnerrp: | i thought there was some mechanism that would deprecate ebuilds |
| [19:18:28] | wagnerrp: | i guess not |
| [19:18:52] | kisak: | I'd like to throw in a patch to delete the bad cc708decoder.cpp assert, but I don't recognize the style of patch being used by the mythtv ebuild |
| [19:18:53] | Slasher`: | right now for the fun part, downloading the program – i hate living out in the sticks |
| [19:19:11] | sphery: | the hauppauge drivers/software? |
| [19:19:21] | Slasher`: | yeah |
| [19:19:23] | sphery: | guess you didn't get a cd or dvd with the card? |
| [19:19:29] | Slasher`: | nah |
| [19:19:33] | sphery: | heh, fun |
| [19:19:37] | Slasher`: | indeedx |
| [19:19:38] | Slasher`: | -x |
| [19:19:52] | Slasher`: | only 59.9mb anyway |
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| [19:24:03] | kisak: | wagnerrp: the mythvideo block I put in there works |
| [19:24:21] | kisak: | <monotone yay> |
| [19:25:33] | wagnerrp: | yeah, i was hoping there was some thing that would mark mythvideo for removal |
| [19:25:37] | wagnerrp: | i suppose not |
| [19:26:37] | kisak: | there may be, but not in eapi 2 |
| [19:26:53] | wagnerrp: | people in #gentoo didnt know of anything |
| [19:27:26] | kisak: | I think the best chance of success is asking the kde ebuild devs |
| [19:27:50] | kisak: | but I could be wrong |
| [19:29:23] | clever_: | wagnerrp: what about making it blocking? |
| [19:29:30] | clever_: | i think theres something to force one package to not install along side another |
| [19:29:37] | wagnerrp: | if you make it blocking, it just blocks the install |
| [19:29:48] | wagnerrp: | i would prefer mythvideo got uninstalled automatically |
| [19:29:53] | clever_: | ah |
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| [19:34:42] | Slasher`: | ah fun |
| [19:34:51] | Slasher`: | the installer off the web requires an actual cd in the drive too |
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| [19:59:21] | devinheitmueller: | Slasher`: Yeah, if you don't have a valid CD, you are screwed. |
| [19:59:31] | devinheitmueller: | You can buy a replacement off of the Hauppauge site. |
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| [20:00:27] | devinheitmueller: | The problem is Hauppauge has to pay royalties for every copy of the software distributed, so if you lose your CD then it costs them money to replace it. |
| [20:00:52] | sphery: | or, if some guy on the web sells you a card and doesn't send the cd... |
| [20:00:53] | devinheitmueller: | Making it available on the store (I think it's $10) recoups those costs. |
| [20:01:11] | sphery: | devinheitmueller: he can get drivers without the windows program, though, right? |
| [20:01:19] | devinheitmueller: | sphery: yes. |
| [20:01:20] | sphery: | so if he finds another program that can use ivtv? |
| [20:01:31] | Slasher`: | i'm "obtaining" one |
| [20:01:31] | sphery: | (er, can use a PVR-150 on windows) |
| [20:01:39] | devinheitmueller: | The drivers are downloadable separately from the WinTV CD. |
| [20:02:04] | Slasher`: | i'll have the cd in 10 mins anyway |
| [20:02:06] | sphery: | that said, I don't know my windows apps to be able to recommend something else that can use it |
| [20:03:05] | devinheitmueller: | It's annoying for users, but I think you can appreciate why these costs have to be passed on to users when they lose their CDs. |
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| [20:03:51] | devinheitmueller: | sphery: in the case of a user buying it off of Ebay, it would be even worse. In that case the original user still has the software, and Hauppauge would be paying the royalties a second time when they didn't even make the money off sale of the card. |
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| [20:04:12] | wagnerrp: | what is the software needed for? |
| [20:04:24] | wagnerrp: | certainly its no good on linux |
| [20:04:28] | devinheitmueller: | wagnerrp: Windows doesn't ship with any sort of TV watching application. |
| [20:04:28] | JEDIDIAH__: | testing the card if I recall. |
| [20:04:32] | wagnerrp: | and the firmware seems to be readily available |
| [20:04:42] | JEDIDIAH__: | like a windows version of xawtv |
| [20:04:47] | wagnerrp: | ah, testing under windows to make sure the card works |
| [20:04:58] | devinheitmueller: | Yes, there are no royalty issues with the firmware. That's why Linux distros are allowed to ship the firmware. |
| [20:05:34] | sphery: | devinheitmueller: Yeah, definitely not a good thing. When I donated my 2xPVR-150, 1xPVR-250, and 1xPVR-350 to Grey Foxx after I switched to digital OTA, I sent all the original CDs to him. |
| [20:05:46] | sphery: | wagnerrp: yeah, he's testing under windows to see if the hardware works |
| [20:06:54] | devinheitmueller: | sphery: Hauppauge has always been pretty good about making upgrades readily available at no cost as long as you have the original CD. But somebody has to pay MPEG-LA, the third-party codec vendors, etc. |
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| [20:08:02] | BobLfoot: | Does PBP still work in the latest mythtv versions? I can't find the command in the menus if it does. |
| [20:08:28] | kisak: | wagnerrp: so the backend fired up just fine on that new build, and the playback on the frontend that was having trouble before, still has trouble |
| [20:08:56] | kisak: | wagnerrp: I'm building on another frontend that has nvidia graphics now |
| [20:10:34] | kisak: | (the troubled frontend has an ATi 5450) |
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| [20:12:38] | sphery: | BobLfoot: you have to be upgraded to the most-current of current 0.24-fixes |
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| [20:14:22] | Slasher`: | silly question off topic but how do you actually pronounce hauppauge? |
| [20:14:31] | wagnerrp: | hop-hog |
| [20:14:47] | Slasher`: | wow, really? |
| [20:15:15] | wagnerrp: | they say so on their site somewhere |
| [20:15:53] | Slasher`: | lol cool |
| [20:15:56] | Slasher`: | was just curious |
| [20:16:38] | wagnerrp: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hauppauge,_New_York |
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| [20:18:03] | BobLfoot: | sphery: checkiing one moment |
| [20:18:20] | Slasher`: | right here goes this is where it all 'splodes |
| [20:19:09] | wagnerrp: | this is where it all 'splodes... http://gizmodo.com/5814853 |
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| [20:19:12] | Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v iamlindoro | |
| [20:19:34] | ** iamlindoro once again complements Comcast on their excellent internet ** | |
| [20:20:49] | sphery: | iamlindoro: no joke--I've missed you (as I have some questions for you + stu artm :) |
| [20:21:00] | BobLfoot: | sphery: it's 0.24.1–2 running on f14-x86_64 |
| [20:21:03] | iamlindoro: | Ask him, he's the smart one |
| [20:21:19] | sphery: | at least when I had a problem, it was a couple days of 50kbps on my 10Mbps service, then a new cable modem, then back to good :) |
| [20:21:40] | sphery: | BobLfoot: mythfrontend --version (to pastebin, please) |
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| [20:21:45] | BobLfoot: | sphery: and appears to be current for the distro |
| [20:21:50] | ** sphery hopes that fedora actually puts a usable revision in there... ** | |
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| [20:22:12] | sphery: | I'm guessing it's a March build, which I'm pretty sure is too old |
| [20:22:20] | BobLfoot: | sphery: http://fpaste.org/XqwH/ has what you want |
| [20:23:04] | sphery: | BobLfoot: I need the output of mythfrontend --version or mythbackend --version |
| [20:23:22] | sphery: | that's just giving a version number, I need the specific revision within that version |
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| [20:24:48] | BobLfoot: | sphery: http://fpaste.org/aJat/ for frontend and http://fpaste.org/OQF9/ for backend |
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| [20:27:24] | sphery: | BobLfoot: OK, that's from May 29... gotta look up when PiP/PbP were re-enabled |
| [20:27:48] | Slasher`: | so it either does jumping or all goes green in windows too |
| [20:29:09] | sphery: | OK, there should be a rule that distros are /not/ allowed to package revisions whose changesets are so long as to DoS my browser when looking up what date a revision is |
| [20:29:12] | devinheitmueller: | Slasher`: ah good, so you have a hardware problem. |
| [20:29:17] | sphery: | I'll be with you in 10min or so, BobLfoot |
| [20:29:36] | devinheitmueller: | Well, good in as much as it only effects one card and is not any sort of systemic failure in the driver. |
| [20:29:52] | BobLfoot: | sphery: no big issue – it's behaving by plan all I really needed to confirm. |
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| [20:30:26] | sphery: | I /hate/ GitHub |
| [20:30:35] | wagnerrp: | but it loves you |
| [20:30:39] | sphery: | it's more often my DoSHub |
| [20:30:46] | Slasher`: | yeah |
| [20:30:53] | Slasher`: | i guess i should moan at the company who sold me it |
| [20:30:58] | Slasher`: | just trying all the formats first though |
| [20:31:13] | sphery: | sure, I'm only using a 2.6GHz Athlon X2 5050e on this system, but really |
| [20:33:26] | sphery: | oh, wow, and the page finished loading! |
| [20:34:02] | sphery: | where's Firefox's stupid, "This page is taking too long to load, I've stopped it so that I can sit here doing nothing until you tell me whether you want me to continue loading it" dialog box when you need it |
| [20:34:15] | devinheitmueller: | Slasher`: if you really are using some sort of SCART to s-video converter, you may wish to try a different device (like a DVD player or something). It might actually be the converter. |
| [20:34:47] | sphery: | BobLfoot: you need to have http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/9543#comment:7 version |
| [20:34:47] | Slasher`: | i've tried a direct s-video cable from my laptop |
| [20:34:53] | devinheitmueller: | ok |
| [20:34:56] | Slasher`: | and a scart to s-video from a digibox |
| [20:34:57] | Slasher`: | :( |
| [20:35:06] | devinheitmueller: | just making sure |
| [20:35:08] | sphery: | says, "6 weeks ago", which I /assume/ is before May 29th (meaning you should have it) |
| [20:35:25] | sphery: | but since Trac isn't shoing me actual meaning of "6 weeks ago",... |
| [20:35:38] | sphery: | when did the links on times quit working in Trac |
| [20:35:55] | Slasher`: | thanks for the help by the way everyone |
| [20:35:58] | Slasher`: | i REALLY appreciate it |
| [20:35:59] | BobLfoot: | go that sphery thanks |
| [20:36:00] | sphery: | used to allow you to point to it and see the actual values rather than the "I'll just round to the nearest day/week/month/year" |
| [20:38:22] | sphery: | wagnerrp: do you or Beirdo want http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/9865 ? |
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| [20:38:58] | wagnerrp: | i still dont understand mythshutdown |
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| [20:40:13] | Slasher`: | heh live support chat person is a n00b |
| [20:40:33] | Slasher`: | he asked me to describe the fault |
| [20:40:40] | Slasher`: | so i did, in great detail, with links to the pictures |
| [20:41:00] | devinheitmueller: | Slasher`: I assume you bought the card off a retailer, or ebay? |
| [20:41:00] | Slasher`: | now he's gone dead quiet lol |
| [20:41:20] | Slasher`: | i got it from impactcomputers.us |
| [20:42:23] | devinheitmueller: | Wow, you have to login in order to browse their inventory?!?!! |
| [20:42:31] | devinheitmueller: | WTF. |
| [20:42:53] | devinheitmueller: | That alone makes me unwilling to do business with them. |
| [20:43:07] | Slasher`: | i dont think i had to |
| [20:43:13] | Slasher`: | either way, they were cheaper than ebay |
| [20:43:22] | NewBuntu81: | Do you guys recommend any applications to backup my drive (minus my recordings)? Most apps I've seen, like dd, just do sector by sector. |
| [20:43:45] | wagnerrp: | rsync |
| [20:43:51] | sphery: | wagnerrp: mythshutdown is simply a program that determines through a bunch of hacks if /anything/ is happening on the system so it can return a status code to tell you whether to shut down or not |
| [20:43:53] | devinheitmueller: | Slasher` love how you click on "Customer Service" at the top and it just drops you back to their homepage. |
| [20:44:14] | wagnerrp: | sphery: and why do we need that? |
| [20:44:16] | sphery: | it's basically the equivalent of myth_jobqueue_idle.py, but handles recordings, jobs, mythfilldatabase, etc. |
| [20:44:23] | wagnerrp: | shouldnt that be integrated into mythtvd? |
| [20:44:26] | sphery: | because we don't currently track that |
| [20:44:31] | sphery: | and, we haven't yet... ^^^ |
| [20:44:49] | Beirdo: | sphery: punt it to me |
| [20:44:52] | sphery: | we need each daemon to keep track of what its doing so that we can ask each what it does |
| [20:45:19] | sphery: | Beirdo: thanks... after all, I hear you're bored and don't have anythign to do at work, today |
| [20:45:53] | Beirdo: | haha, I wish |
| [20:45:55] | AndyCap: | NewBuntu81: there are some suggestions http://wiki.debian.org/BackupAndRecovery |
| [20:46:14] | Beirdo: | I'll take a look at it tonight, or if I get a moment to breathe and feel like relaxing a second |
| [20:46:19] | sphery: | the most surprising thing about that ticket, though, is that the default dev for MythWelcome and mythshutdown is And uin |
| [20:46:27] | sphery: | wonder if we need to update that |
| [20:46:54] | sphery: | or see if we can pull him back from enjoying a real life |
| [20:47:07] | Slasher`: | devinheitmueller; can't expect much from something that's done via yahoo |
| [20:48:42] | Slasher`: | lol he's asking me the model of the machine i put it in, he doesnt get i've tried it in 2 different ones and had the same result... he's also asking if i want a replacement or a refund... i said i want a replacement but i dont want to pay import tax again |
| [20:50:21] | Beirdo: | sphery: if you can get a volunteer... |
| [20:50:31] | Slasher`: | now he can't even click links |
| [20:52:07] | Beirdo: | OK. NEED more coffee |
| [20:52:17] | Beirdo: | it's a matter of life or death. :) |
| [20:52:28] | devinheitmueller: | It's funny. I didn't even know they still sold PVR-150/500 cards: http://www.hauppauge.eu//boutique_us/liste_pr . . . ode_lg=lg_us |
| [20:52:48] | wagnerrp: | well theyre only banned in the US |
| [20:53:03] | Slasher`: | i needed a low profile one |
| [20:53:09] | Slasher`: | they're banned? |
| [20:53:21] | wagnerrp: | yes, any device with an analog tuner must have a digital tuner as well |
| [20:53:23] | devinheitmueller: | In the United States, you cannot sell TV tuners that don't have digital support. |
| [20:53:33] | Slasher`: | ooh |
| [20:53:35] | Slasher`: | thats silly |
| [20:53:52] | Slasher`: | what about the pawn shops that still sell old tvs? |
| [20:53:52] | zombor: | the US is 100% digital by law |
| [20:53:54] | stuartm: | not really, anything analogue-only has a very finite life |
| [20:54:05] | devinheitmueller: | It was to help facilitate the DTV transition a couple of years ago. |
| [20:54:06] | Slasher`: | mind you, they have/had massive notices on them saying |
| [20:54:13] | wagnerrp: | zombor: no, there are still some low power and nighttime stations that broadcast analog |
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| [20:54:42] | devinheitmueller: | What wagnerrp is saying is correct. The really annoying part is the way the rule is written, you cannot really sell digital-only cards either. |
| [20:54:42] | zombor: | dont they have to broadcast digital as well |
| [20:54:54] | wagnerrp: | oh? |
| [20:54:59] | wagnerrp: | how does the HDHR get by? |
| [20:55:11] | devinheitmueller: | zombor: low power transmitters can get a waiver on the DTV requirements. |
| [20:55:11] | stuartm: | wagnerrp: for how long thought? That spectrum is too valuable to remain in the hands of some community channels |
| [20:55:15] | devinheitmueller: | (either due to power or hardship) |
| [20:55:17] | zombor: | ah, ok |
| [20:55:26] | devinheitmueller: | wagnerrp: they don't sell to consumers. |
| [20:55:30] | stuartm: | s/thought/though/ |
| [20:55:30] | devinheitmueller: | .... also, lax enforcement. |
| [20:57:00] | Slasher`: | well thank <insert word here that's not using the lords name in vain, or a swear word lol> for that, they are sending me another with an invoice value of $0 so i wont have to pay tax |
| [20:57:05] | zombor: | not a big deal to me, im all digital and am happy ;) |
| [20:57:25] | Slasher`: | i have a digital tv card |
| [20:57:33] | Slasher`: | but its a framegrabber or something |
| [20:57:36] | Slasher`: | and a pain apparently |
| [20:57:45] | wagnerrp: | digital tuners cannot be framegrabbers |
| [20:57:51] | wagnerrp: | framegrabbers imply analog |
| [20:57:55] | Slasher`: | well the s-video bit is*** |
| [20:58:00] | Slasher`: | or something like that |
| [20:58:22] | sphery: | Slasher`: heh, cool--and glad you don't have to do VAT again :) |
| [20:58:53] | sphery: | wagnerrp: I think he means it's a digital tuner that includes a "enough to check the box" analog frame grabber |
| [20:58:53] | devinheitmueller: | Slasher`: The PVR-150 doesn't count as a framegrabber. It has an onboard MPEG encoder. |
| [20:59:33] | Slasher`: | i mean the one i bought the 150 to replace it with |
| [20:59:36] | Slasher`: | no wait |
| [20:59:38] | Slasher`: | i messed that up |
| [20:59:51] | Slasher`: | the tv card i had before i bought this one had an analog framegrabber s-video thing |
| [20:59:56] | devinheitmueller: | Ah. |
| [21:00:41] | Slasher`: | man what a faff about |
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| [21:00:52] | Slasher`: | you watch them say they tested it and it worked fine now |
| [21:01:56] | sphery: | maybe it fell overboard on the ship that brought it to the UK |
| [21:02:15] | sphery: | and they fished it out and let it dry out and didn't tell you :) |
| [21:02:23] | Slasher`: | lol |
| [21:02:33] | Slasher`: | well it was sent via UPS |
| [21:02:45] | Slasher`: | apparently something happened there the day before i got it |
| [21:02:51] | Slasher`: | and it had to be passed on to royal mail or something |
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| [21:04:19] | sphery: | Heh, did you see Tom Hanks (or Wilson) at the post when you picked it up? |
| [21:04:23] | sphery: | or was that Fed Ex? |
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| [21:04:46] | AndyCap: | Slasher`: they shipped it through here? http://cargolaw.com/2011nightmare_toll.brisban.html |
| [21:05:46] | Slasher`: | looking at the ship on the bottom right, probably lol |
| [21:06:19] | sphery: | wow, the people on our list who complain about how much work it is to scroll down since we don't do top-posting would hate that page |
| [21:06:58] | AndyCap: | sphery: heheh, they could use a redesign |
| [21:07:00] | sphery: | Slasher`: keep scrolling |
| [21:07:46] | kormoc_afk is now known as kormoc | |
| [21:07:53] | sphery: | that's one of the few pages where I could see the stupid middle-click and move the mouse down to "auto-scroll" functionality being useful |
| [21:12:40] | Slasher`: | We Hope The Gift Is A Bathing Suit (Known in Australia As A "Cossie" Or "Sluggos") <--lol |
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| [21:18:51] | wagnerrp: | sphery: you mentioned firefox 5 a couple days ago |
| [21:18:58] | wagnerrp: | i didnt realize you meant they had released it |
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| [21:19:23] | sphery: | yep |
| [21:20:02] | sphery: | only 2 more to go for the year! |
| [21:20:03] | TheAsp: | ff6 comes out next week |
| [21:20:03] | TheAsp: | ;) |
| [21:20:41] | Beirdo: | and ff7 the week after? |
| [21:20:54] | sphery: | that's why FF4 is my Vista--I skipped it altogether because I didn't get a chance to upgrade during the couple weeks 4 was current |
| [21:21:38] | Beirdo: | they are trying to make themselves progressively more irrelevant, and push us all to use Chrome |
| [21:21:48] | sphery: | I have a patch and I /really/ don't want to test it |
| [21:22:02] | sphery: | is there a "gimme" rule on one-line patches? |
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| [21:22:26] | Beirdo: | sure... as long as you mean "gimme a hard time if it borks stuff" |
| [21:22:34] | sphery: | heh |
| [21:23:06] | sphery: | and the worst part is I have no idea if this will really "fix" the issue |
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| [21:23:33] | sphery: | (technically, I'm just trying to work around the issue because the fix requires a pretty big refactor--which I'm planning, anyway, but wanted a fix faster) |
| [21:23:54] | eddytv: | Is this IRC channel logged and posted on the web somewhere? |
| [21:25:52] | wagnerrp: | !logs |
| [21:25:56] | wagnerrp: | !log |
| [21:26:00] | wagnerrp: | !url log |
| [21:26:02] | MythLogBot: | log: try !url logs... It's log, it's log, it's big, it's heavy, it's wood! |
| [21:26:06] | wagnerrp: | !url logs |
| [21:26:06] | MythLogBot: | logs: http://irc.mythtv.org/ircLog/channel/1 |
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| [21:29:59] | Beirdo: | !notice |
| [21:29:59] | MythLogBot: | This channel (#mythtv-users) is logged — http://irc.mythtv.org/ircLog/channel/1 |
| [21:30:03] | Beirdo: | or that :) |
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| [21:32:08] | sphery: | hmmm... considering I can't repro the issue on the ticket, maybe I should have just taken the gimme and pushed the commit without testing |
| [21:33:18] | sphery: | the worst is testing patches that require transcoding recordings |
| [21:33:58] | Slasher`: | [20:18:20] Slasher`: right here goes this is where it all 'splodes |
| [21:33:59] | Slasher`: | [20:19:09] wagnerrp: this is where it all 'splodes... http://gizmodo.com/5814853 |
| [21:34:00] | Slasher`: | ^haha |
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| [21:42:56] | bumblebeebat: | I was wondering if anyone had any advice for dealing with a temperamental HDPRV. I am getting an "AnalogSM(/dev/video0), Error: Start encoding failed ...". Anyone have any suggestions? Thanks |
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| [21:43:33] | sphery: | bumblebeebat: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/479733#479733 ? |
| [21:43:56] | sphery: | if it's an "occasionally recordings fail and I need to reboot the HD-PVR to make it work again", that should help |
| [21:45:55] | bumblebeebat: | Thanks sphery, so everyone is rebooting there hd-pvr's |
| [21:46:05] | sphery: | seems to affect some people more than others |
| [21:46:18] | sphery: | read the whole thread to get a feel for the problems others are seeing |
| [21:46:39] | wagnerrp: | bumblebeebat: what distro, version? |
| [21:47:14] | bumblebeebat: | Ok, I will, I have 2 myself and I just set up a myth system for my dad. He loves it but he says he has to reboot the hd-pvr once a night |
| [21:47:29] | bumblebeebat: | I do not have any of these problems on my system |
| [21:47:54] | bumblebeebat: | Mythbuntu , 0.24 fixes branch |
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| [21:50:14] | bumblebeebat: | mythbuntu 11.04 I think |
| [21:50:20] | sphery: | wagnerrp: thanks--now you got me wasting time on todaysbigfail... (and, wow... audio is NSFW, but http://www.todaysbigfail.com/view/20110616/Crane-Moving ) |
| [21:51:22] | wagnerrp: | whoops |
| [21:51:26] | wagnerrp: | my neighbors did that |
| [21:51:33] | wagnerrp: | hired someone to cut down a tree |
| [21:51:40] | wagnerrp: | they dropped the tree on the house |
| [21:52:10] | Beirdo: | hahahh |
| [21:52:16] | sphery: | I can't tell if the crane crushed the roof or not, but I'm sure the incident wasn't inexpensive |
| [21:52:20] | Beirdo: | I'm sure it's not funny to them, but... hahaha |
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| [21:55:01] | wagnerrp: | when my sister went through insurance underwriter training |
| [21:55:22] | wagnerrp: | they played some video of a tower crane that was operated in adverse conditions |
| [21:55:35] | wagnerrp: | the trained operator refused to run it that day |
| [21:55:45] | wagnerrp: | so when they got someone to replace him, he called in OSHA |
| [21:56:20] | wagnerrp: | the OSHA guy is out filming while the thing falls over, and all you hear is 'oh s--t! oh s--t! oh s--t!...' |
| [21:56:21] | sphery: | heh, #4 on "Top 10"... aim is important |
| [21:56:34] | sphery: | wow |
| [21:57:15] | sphery: | hope no one was hurt, but at least the trained operator was vindicated for refusing to run the crane |
| [21:57:31] | wagnerrp: | well the operator at the top of the crane was |
| [21:57:53] | wagnerrp: | but thats why you listen to the trained experts when they say theyre not going to do it |
| [21:58:09] | wagnerrp: | there is good reason they pay those people multiple six figure salaries |
| [21:58:13] | SporkD2: | anyone know why my mythtv wont run on top of my system bar in ubuntu? |
| [21:58:56] | kormoc: | SporkD2, disable desktop effects/compositing |
| [21:59:45] | SporkD2: | what menu would that be in? |
| [21:59:58] | kormoc: | I wouldn't know |
| [22:00:15] | sphery: | in compiz or unity or whatever, not mythtv |
| [22:00:23] | SporkD2: | oh |
| [22:00:54] | JEDIDIAH__: | my hdpvrs are not that problematic. |
| [22:01:05] | JEDIDIAH__: | my STBs give me more trouble |
| [22:02:26] | SporkD2: | that did it, thanks kormoc |
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| [22:15:46] | bumblebeebat: | read the thread, looks like there is any real solution. It is strange because this one is using an nvidia chipset |
| [22:16:33] | bumblebeebat: | *is not really any solution (other than rebooting of course) |
| [22:22:28] | wagnerrp: | why would you have to reboot? |
| [22:22:45] | sphery: | reboot the HD-PVR |
| [22:22:48] | bumblebeebat: | rebooting the hd-pvr |
| [22:23:18] | bumblebeebat: | thanks for pointing me in the right direction guys, maybe i will look at the hd-pvr driver code and see if i can make heads of tails of it |
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| [22:26:19] | bumblebeebat: | if the hd-pvr was rock-solid stable, mythtv would work with almost about every service (other than service providers disabling the analog ports on some channels, lol) |
| [22:28:29] | bumblebeebat: | thanks sphery and wagnerrp, have a great night |
| [22:28:32] | wagnerrp: | well that hasnt started yet, at least not here |
| [22:28:50] | bumblebeebat: | No where I am either |
| [22:29:00] | bumblebeebat: | Not where I am either |
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| [22:36:05] | stuartm: | sphery: the crane definitely went through the roof, you can even make out a cloud of dust coming out of the garage door below ... then there's the damage to the driveway and the probably destroyed load ... a very expensive mistake |
| [22:36:34] | sphery: | heh, yeah, I think you're right. |
| [22:37:20] | sphery: | the challenge was figuring out what changed while he was running away |
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| [22:37:39] | stuartm: | I saw a very similar video taken in the UK a year or two back |
| [22:38:07] | stuartm: | crane lifting load over 2 storey house topples into the building |
| [22:38:28] | sphery: | wow |
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| [22:43:40] | stuartm: | I'd have thought by now that all these cranes would be equipped with automatic cut-outs if the operator tried to lift loads beyond the limits of their design, I know that some (all?) of the tower cranes have such safety systems |
| [22:45:15] | wagnerrp: | the crane was perfectly capable of handling the load |
| [22:45:20] | wagnerrp: | the problem was the balance |
| [22:45:35] | wagnerrp: | they swung the load too far out beyond the booms |
| [22:47:16] | stuartm: | wagnerrp: aye and that's what these systems detect and prevent |
| [22:48:48] | wagnerrp: | it wouldnt be hard, stuff some load meters on the booms |
| [22:48:59] | wagnerrp: | and if any boom drops below 500lbs, shut it down |
| [22:49:01] | stuartm: | cranes aren't rated by total capacity, but by a load/distance formula, if they lift a 5 tonne load then the system prevents the boom extending or elevating outside the safety margins |
| [22:50:17] | stuartm: | I only know about the safety systems in use on some equipment because I saw it in a 'big machines' type documentary :) |
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| [23:15:16] | sphery: | Aha! I think I figured out why I can't repro the issue--my transcode didn't take long enough to complete |
| [23:15:35] | ** sphery hits the turbo button (and does a non-lossless transcode) ** | |
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| [23:23:46] | stuartm: | sphery: which issue? |
| [23:24:28] | ** wagnerrp wonders how long an HD transcode would take on a machine that still had a turbo button ** | |
| [23:24:57] | sphery: | stuartm: #9729 |
| [23:25:10] | sphery: | mythtranscode fails with MARK_UPDATED_CUT |
| [23:25:22] | sphery: | beautiful--it failed this time! |
| [23:26:01] | stuartm: | ah, yeah I remember that one being opened now |
| [23:26:14] | sphery: | I have to admit that my fix is just a workaround |
| [23:26:31] | sphery: | but the real fix is a bigger refactor, and I wanted something in until I complete that |
| [23:26:46] | sphery: | now let's just hope that the workaround fix actually works around the issue :) |
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| [23:27:49] | stuartm: | it's triggered a memory, something I was supposed to be testing wrt lossless transcoding but I can't quite remember what |
| [23:28:49] | stuartm: | oh well, if it was important then I'll find out soon enough :) |
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| [23:36:54] | sphery: | Hmmmm... Not sure what that was. I guess if it was important, someone will remind you about it. :) |
| [23:41:16] | sphery: | Beirdo: so, it's looking like I should have taken the gimme--took forever to figure out how to repro the issue, and the fix works :) |
| [23:42:27] | sphery: | actually, I'm only 52% sure the fix works |
| [23:42:35] | Beirdo: | YAY |
| [23:42:39] | sphery: | but in 10min or so, I should be 100% sure |
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| [23:43:10] | sphery: | I'd be more impressed if he /wasn't/ an Earth native |
| [23:43:26] | sphery: | or maybe he's just trying /too/ hard to blend in... |
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| [23:50:15] | sphery: | 100% sure, now! |
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