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Wednesday, June 22nd, 2011, 00:02 UTC
[00:02:00] Beirdo: you can have stupid then
[00:02:03] Beirdo: :)
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[00:11:10] kormoc: kisak, my install is kinda screwed. It might be awhile until I poke at it again
[00:21:11] kisak: kormoc: I can do x86 32bit and 64bit testing if that's all you need
[00:22:37] kormoc: kisak, I typically just test 64 bit, so aye, if you want to bump, test and submit a pull request, I'll happily merge it in
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[02:12:35] Beirdo: wagner_: I have my 4 data disks for the freebsd box. Should I actually gpt them, or just use the raw device to add them?
[02:12:55] Beirdo: also, should I create a separate zfs pool using RAIDZ? :)
[02:13:52] wagner_: i had to format using GPT to allow the boot disks to be bootable
[02:14:02] wagner_: but my data disks, i just use raw
[02:14:30] wagner_: if they are EARS disks, it may be worth partitioning just so you can ensure block alignment
[02:14:53] wagner_: RAIDZ is similar to RAID5
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[02:15:08] Beirdo: yeah, they are 750G Samsung 2.5" drives
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[02:19:18] Beirdo: 4 of em
[02:22:19] Beirdo: so I guess it comes down to whether to RAIDZ1 or not. RAIDZ2 would be rather silly with 4 drives
[02:23:07] Beirdo: I think I will do so. So far I have a mirror of gpt/disk0 and gpt/disk1 in zroot
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[02:27:01] Beirdo: cannot use '/dev/ad4': must be a GEOM provider or regular file
[02:27:04] Beirdo: oook
[02:28:40] wagner_: Beirdo: first, zfs is a bit... odd... when it comes to raid
[02:28:47] wagner_: it doesnt behave quite like you would expect
[02:29:12] wagner_: while it supports striping for Z and Z2
[02:29:22] wagner_: it does not support anything like RAID0, no bare stripes
[02:29:28] Beirdo: yeah
[02:29:38] Beirdo: oh, it might work better if I sudo this crap ;)
[02:30:49] wagner_: now in ZFS, you have pools, volumes, and disks
[02:31:02] wagner_: a pool is one root-most definition
[02:31:14] wagner_: each pool can get volumes added at will
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[02:31:39] wagner_: each volume can consists of multiple disks/partitions, and use mirroring, z1, or z2 (or in the future z3)
[02:31:47] wagner_: volumes are not expandable
[02:32:02] wagner_: once you define a volume, you cannot add to it, except to replace a failed drive
[02:32:40] wagner_: you can add another volume, with new drives, and they are accessed similar to JBOD
[02:32:58] wagner_: but instead of being linearly sequenced, they are balanced between
[02:33:32] wagner_: something you may want to consider instead of using a mirror or z1/z2
[02:33:42] Beirdo: it's OK to put a mirror and a raidz1 in the same pool right?
[02:33:59] wagner_: yes, you can mix different types of volumes in the same pool
[02:34:06] wagner_: but you have no control over what goes where
[02:34:17] Beirdo: well, I want a bit of redundancy here, which is why I did the mirror on the system disks
[02:34:30] wagner_: anyway, you may want to just install each drive as an independent volume in the pool
[02:34:39] wagner_: and configure the pool to keep two instances of each file
[02:34:47] Beirdo: hmmm
[02:35:11] wagner_: if you lose one drive, the pool will automatically resilver itself, and if space is available, start duplicating that data onto other disks to maintain redundancy
[02:35:15] wagner_: (i think)
[02:35:45] Beirdo: assuming it's doing multiple copies, yah, that makes sense
[02:36:22] wagner_: also, note that since the volume manager, raid, and filesystem are all tied together
[02:36:28] wagner_: when you use z1/z2
[02:36:31] wagner_: each stripe is one file
[02:36:51] wagner_: so when you read or write to any file, you access all drives in that volume
[02:37:26] wagner_: you dont have the behavior like traditional RAID where an access to a file smaller than the stripe size will result in a read on a single disk only
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[02:38:14] wagner_: as such, z1/z2 increases sequential throughput, but they are no good for increased IOPS
[02:38:35] wagner_: if you want that, you add additional zvols to the pool
[02:39:21] Beirdo: right
[02:41:27] Beirdo: OK, there we go
[02:41:39] Beirdo: gonna do a raidz1 of the 4 750G drives for now
[02:42:01] Beirdo: I can always transfer data out later and rebuild it otherwise if it pisses me off
[02:42:27] wagner_: true
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[03:54:17] iamlindoro: Heh, apparently each Sage TV Frontend needs a license key... so looks like Sage users can't choose to expand their existing setups any more either.
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[04:06:42] kormoc: I'll never understand google buying them
[04:08:07] iamlindoro: Evidently Sage TV is nearly 100% Java... so if the intent is to interface with Android or GTV in any way, it makes sense in that respect
[04:09:28] kormoc: Yeah, I guess. It just doesn't make sense that they basically locked everyone else out tho. the GTV's value would be with the support of everything, not a single point. If I wanted a single point, atv is a much better, cheaper device
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[04:11:25] iamlindoro: I am loathe to dance on anyone else's grave, but I do see an opportunity for us here if we can deliver on web setup in the next 6 months, and with some of our aspirations in our recent .25 discussion
[04:11:39] kormoc: Understood and agreed
[04:14:25] ** wagner_ watches iamlindoro dance a jig **
[04:14:34] iamlindoro: The #1 thing Sage users seem to be looking for is an embedded "extender," but they don't seem to want a frontend on an ION box
[04:14:59] iamlindoro: but I suspect when push comes to shove they'll take that route
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[05:08:16] bumblebeebat: Anyone around, I need some help with shares. I needed to add some more space to a system. I got a new hard drive, partitioned it, installed it into my mythbuntu system, added the partitions to fstab. They seem to have added correctly. One partition I set the mount location owner/group to mythtv/mythtv. I added the share as a location to save recorded programs. Sofar nothing seems to be saving there. Do I need to set something in particular
[05:09:19] wagner_: the mount location is irrelevant, you have to set permissions to the filesystem itself
[05:09:43] bumblebeebat: ok, would I do that in fstab
[05:10:06] wagner_: you do it by mounting the disk, and then setting the permissions to the filesystem root path
[05:10:36] bumblebeebat: I have been reading about things all day but I think I have a fundamental misunderstanding
[05:10:59] bumblebeebat: ahhh, I believe I did that
[05:11:19] wagner_: if you set the permission to the path before the filesystem is mounted
[05:11:26] wagner_: they are immediately overwritten by the mount
[05:11:42] wagner_: you should not be recording to the root of the filesystem
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[05:14:59] bumblebeebat: the permissions of the root directory are set to drwxrwx--- 3 mythtv mythtv
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[05:17:06] bumblebeebat: That should be correct for a mythtv recordings directory?
[05:17:16] wagner_: you should not be recording to the root of the filesystem
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[05:19:40] bumblebeebat: OK, I will add another directory, thanks Wagner
[05:22:15] bumblebeebat: I know there is a samba share of the original recordings directory, is this necessary
[05:22:39] wagner_: mythtv does not use samba for any purpos
[05:22:41] wagner_: e
[05:22:51] bumblebeebat: I did not think so
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[05:22:54] bumblebeebat: thanks
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[05:23:45] ** Beirdo grumbles **
[05:24:01] Beirdo: it looks like the extra Core2 Duo I brought home... is borked
[05:24:20] Beirdo: either that or the Optiplex 745 really doesn't like the E6750 fore
[05:24:22] Beirdo: core
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[06:06:41] k-man: Beirdo: check the cpu voltages vs the mb voltages. i once upgraded cpu, socket was fine but it turned out the motherboard did not support the voltages the cpu required
[06:06:44] k-man: and so would not work
[06:07:00] Beirdo: it's a Dell Optiplex 745
[06:07:03] k-man: can't remember the specifics of what mb/cpu/socket it was though
[06:07:10] Beirdo: like I can find out real specs
[06:07:21] k-man: Beirdo: yeah, that's a problem :)
[06:07:32] Beirdo: although gimme a sec
[06:08:32] Beirdo: E6300 (Core2 Duo) says VID range of 0.85–1.5V
[06:08:35] Beirdo: that one works
[06:08:37] k-man: did the optiplex work with its original cpu?
[06:08:56] Beirdo: yes
[06:09:16] Beirdo: Oh, and the E6750 which doesn't work... same VID range
[06:09:21] Beirdo: I think it's borked
[06:09:35] k-man: crap
[06:09:47] Beirdo: I pulled it from a box that had been knocked off a desk and had a deformed case from it
[06:09:59] Beirdo: so... I think the die may have gotten shattered too
[06:11:23] k-man: ah
[06:11:31] Beirdo: it was free, I can't complain too loudly
[06:11:40] Beirdo: and I can always buy a new one should I care enough
[06:12:03] k-man: incidentaly, i run the FE on one of those dells
[06:12:11] k-man: err.. FE and BE
[06:12:30] Beirdo: I brought home a 755 and a 745 (both mid-tower) from the recycle pile at work
[06:12:30] k-man: its pretty quite which is nice
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[06:12:39] Beirdo: the dead CPU is from another 755
[06:13:24] k-man: i only do SD
[06:13:40] k-man: it struggles a bit to play back HD scaled down
[06:14:32] Beirdo: I plan on using one of them for GPU code testing
[06:14:40] Beirdo: need to buy a couple cards first though
[06:14:53] wagner_: couple?
[06:14:57] Beirdo: yeah
[06:15:04] k-man: which GPU?
[06:15:12] Beirdo: one high-end one low-end
[06:15:23] Beirdo: ION for low-end
[06:15:35] Beirdo: GT 5xx for high-end
[06:15:51] Beirdo: and yes, you can get ION on a 1X PCIE card :)
[06:16:05] wagner_: a full system on an x1 card?
[06:16:08] wagner_: what ever for?
[06:16:22] Beirdo: ION is the GPU according to nvidia
[06:16:29] Beirdo: get over their stupid renaming :)
[06:16:37] wagner_: ion was the platform according to nvidia at one point
[06:16:40] Beirdo: yeah
[06:16:43] Beirdo: not any more
[06:16:56] Beirdo: it's effectively the 9400M, I guess
[06:17:06] ** wagner_ prefers constantinople **
[06:17:10] Beirdo: but they do label the GPU alone as the ION
[06:17:17] wagner_: but alas, we cant go back
[06:17:23] k-man: are nvidia drivers open source? or is this the VDPAU thing you are talking about?
[06:17:32] Beirdo: and it's the only VDPAU-capable 1X PCIE card I know of
[06:17:45] wagner_: no, you can get some quadro units
[06:17:45] Beirdo: VDPAU + OpenCL/CUDA
[06:17:53] Beirdo: haven't decided yet
[06:18:12] Beirdo: I haven't seen any quadro in 1X
[06:18:56] Beirdo: was going to put a 16X and a 1X card in there
[06:18:57] ** wagner_ feels distraught when he makes witty references and no one gets them **
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[06:19:23] Beirdo: so I can get a good idea of worst-case as well as best/normal
[06:21:01] ** wagner_ continues to feel distraught **
[06:21:19] Beirdo: hehe, it's too late for me to be thinking wittily
[06:21:27] ** wagner_ remains distraught **
[06:21:28] Beirdo: even about Constantinople/Istanbul
[06:23:08] wagner_: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqJXxHi6RwQ
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[06:28:18] Beirdo: heh, yeah
[06:28:29] Beirdo: I have always liked the song
[06:28:37] Beirdo: and Puttin on the Ritz too
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[06:30:34] wagner_: shame, i cant seem to find the particle man one
[06:31:31] wagner_: oddly, youtube is turning up plenty of results that look remarkably like porn
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[06:40:40] k-man: do you remember one of their songs that had words like "where's all the dip gone? any more red wine?"
[06:40:49] k-man: i tried to work out what song that was a while ago and failed
[06:41:00] k-man: its about an art show or something
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[06:42:05] k-man: oh, i think i found it http://www.themadmusicarchive.com/song_details.aspx?SongID=7588
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[07:40:25] Beirdo: hmm. GTX 550 Ti
[07:40:37] Beirdo: that should do for "near top of the line"
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[10:31:29] Muzer: would it be possible for EIT requests to not reset the idle timer in the next version?
[10:31:43] Muzer: currently you either have it never turning off, or never updating EIT data...
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[14:31:53] mag0o: sorta off-topic, with nice, is it a higher number == lower priority and a lower number (ex -19) is a higher priority? I always forget
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[14:33:47] wagner_: higher number is higher priority
[14:34:01] mag0o: gotcha, thansk
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[14:36:29] jams: -20 is the highest while 19 is the lowest in terms of priority
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[14:37:25] mag0o: now i'm confused again
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[14:37:37] mag0o: so if i want a process to have a low priority, i give it a positive #?
[14:37:44] jams: yes
[14:37:49] wagnerrp: oh, process priority
[14:37:55] wagnerrp: i thought you were talking about recording priority
[14:38:09] wagnerrp: jams is correct
[14:38:22] mag0o: k
[14:38:31] mag0o: sorry to be confusing :)
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[14:40:17] mag0o: so nice -n 15 <command> will let everything from 14 to -20 have priority over that task, correct?
[14:40:28] wagnerrp: yes
[14:40:38] wagnerrp: note that only root can raise the priority of something
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[17:43:18] Slasher`: i have video0 video24 and video32 in /dev – how can i know which is my tv card?
[17:43:35] wagnerrp: video0
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[17:43:48] Slasher`: will it always be that one?
[17:43:58] Slasher`: because for some reason that just gives me a red and green flickering screen
[17:44:09] wagnerrp: yes, always that one
[17:44:14] Slasher`: ok thanks
[17:44:22] wagnerrp: video0 is the compressed mpeg output
[17:44:24] Slasher`: any idea why i get just a red and green screen even outside of mythtv?
[17:44:30] wagnerrp: the others are for purposes you should never have a need for
[17:44:40] Slasher`: ok im with you now, thanks
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[18:04:07] Slasher`: ok managed to get rid of the green and red, it works on analog when i set ivtv to use that, then when i set it back to use s-video i just get a black screen with minor static even tough my digibox is plugged in – any ideas what i could try?
[18:04:17] Slasher`: i'm just testing the connections etc now
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[18:07:07] sphery: what do you mean "works on analog"? tuner?
[18:07:13] Slasher`: yeah
[18:07:22] Slasher`: i get static like on a non tuned analog tv
[18:07:33] wagnerrp: because NTSC tuners cannot receive PAL
[18:07:37] wagnerrp: it just looks like static
[18:07:37] Slasher`: yeah
[18:07:45] Slasher`: i just wanted to test that out to see if it was working
[18:07:56] sphery: definitely sounds like a problem with the connection--maybe the scart->s-vid adapter
[18:08:07] sphery: do you have any way to test that with other equipment
[18:08:30] jst: Does anyone use RPMFusion packages for MythTV? It appears that they aren't packaging optimize_mythdb.pl, mythlink.pl, etc. in mythtv-docs anymore.
[18:08:31] sphery: (or at least test the pvr-150 in windows, where it should do most/all of the setup for you)
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[18:09:57] Slasher`: erm
[18:10:04] Slasher`: hmm i dont think so
[18:10:33] Slasher`: maybe i'd be better to find a branch-out cable
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[18:19:07] Slasher`: lets try that for the sake of £3
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[18:33:57] context: any recommendations/prefered video cards for audio over hdmi
[18:34:04] context: nvidia/ati or does it really matter?
[18:34:34] context: or just go with any resonably priced card that i can verify supports it in linux
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[18:39:42] eddytv: sphery: yesterday evening, you said "yeah that's the problem... seems that in 0.24+ you don't actually get to see the video when using the signal monitor--probably just one of those cases that mar kk didn't get around to (or didn't know to) test"
[18:40:00] eddytv: do I need to open a bug report, or is that now "on the list of things to fix"?
[18:43:22] sphery: eddytv: If you'd like to submit a bug report at http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ , that would be wonderful--just say that video playback stops when you start the signal monitor (Alt-F7) though the signal monitor OSD continues to work fine, and feel free to mention that the same behavior occurs with Xv, OpenGL, and VDPAU rendering
[18:43:53] eddytv: Ok will do.
[18:43:56] sphery: I'm thinking it was just overlooked
[18:45:34] eddytv: I have a MythVideo related question, for anyone who might be able to offer a suggestion. According to http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythVideo_File_Parsing, the filename/path combinations are pretty limited...
[18:45:36] sphery: heh, though he did do some work on the signal monitor OSD... http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . 30419#430419 , so maybe it did just break recently
[18:46:11] eddytv: I've ripped my DVDs of both the original "The Italian Job" and the remake...
[18:46:20] eddytv: (it came as a two-pack)
[18:46:48] eddytv: But I don't see any way to differentiate the two with the MythVideo path naming restrictions
[18:47:38] wagnerrp: (year)
[18:48:02] eddytv: That's what I would've assumed, but I don't see that listed on the wiki
[18:48:05] sphery: (I know very little about MythVideo, so I may be way off), but wouldn't it just be a matter of selecting the appropriate movie when grabbing metadata
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[18:48:20] sphery: or did you mean "a way to differentiate file names on disk"
[18:48:53] sphery: if so, then just put any "don't use when automatically determining title from filename" data into brackets or parens or whatever
[18:49:02] wagnerrp: parentheses and everything in them are consumed by the parser
[18:49:33] eddytv: Right, I meant "on disk", ideally I'd want something like '.../DVDs/The Italian Job (1969)/The Italian Job (1969).mpg'
[18:49:50] sphery: that should work
[18:49:58] wagnerrp: why put it in a subfolder?
[18:50:21] sphery: and feel free to add info to the page saying that for-file-system-only info can be put in brackets
[18:50:38] sphery: (and by "that should work", I meant the parens--don't know for sure about the folder structure)
[18:50:40] eddytv: I just assumed I had to because I couldn't have two movies named "The Italian Job.mpg" since the filenaming conventions don't say anything about year
[18:50:59] sphery: so with the parens, you can put them in the same folder :)
[18:52:37] eddytv: But having the year in the filename won't help with automatic retrieval of the metadata, based on wagnerrp's comment "parentheses and everything in them are consumed by the parser"?
[18:53:03] sphery: right, that's where manual retrieval with w comes in :)
[18:53:41] sphery: you just look at the filename to figure out which is which (in mythvideo details) and then choose the right one
[18:53:53] sphery: once it's been processed, it won't reprocess it and put the wrong info in
[18:55:35] eddytv: Seems like looking for the year in the filename would be a nice "feature enhancement" to help improve metadata collection :)
[18:56:41] JEDIDIAH__: movies in folders is an MCE-ism
[18:58:01] JEDIDIAH__: sorting out different remakes would be a nice touch though.
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[21:45:30] Muzer: hmm... for future reference (when I'm at university in a year and a half and I'll likely have Freewire IPTV), does MythTV support IPTV video sources for the standard watch/record/etc.?
[21:45:59] Muzer: (I think Freewire isn't encrypted for the free channels and uses some standard protocol or another)
[21:46:07] wagnerrp: that depends on the IPTV source
[21:46:18] wagnerrp: mythtv has an iptv tuner, designed specifically for the freebox service
[21:46:37] Muzer: I'll see if I can find again exactly what Freewire is
[21:46:39] wagnerrp: which means multicast RTSP streams
[21:46:46] Muzer: it's playable in VLC
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[21:46:56] Muzer: apparently
[21:47:10] Muzer: hang on...
[21:47:25] wagnerrp: if nothing else, VLC can manage a proxy between your service and mythtv
[21:48:23] Muzer: URLs look like udp://@233.166.193.14:5000
[21:48:29] Muzer: it's multicast, I remember reading that
[21:48:44] wagnerrp: empty username?
[21:48:45] wagnerrp: odd
[21:48:48] Muzer: evidently so
[21:49:18] Muzer: (again, I don't yet have this service, so I can't test anything, but I want to know if I'll be able to use it with MythTV when I do at university :P)
[21:50:06] Muzer: perhaps the empty username is just something rubbish generating the playlist file
[21:50:13] Muzer: the manual instructions don't mention anything about an empty username
[21:50:23] Muzer: "For the techies you can from the File/Media menu select Open Network(Stream)... . You have to connect to the Multicast address of the channel you wish to view, and select UDP, with port 5000. A list of the freely availble channel's addresses is below."
[21:50:34] wagnerrp: the URI you just gave does
[21:51:01] Muzer: wagnerrp: yeah, that was from the playlist they give
[21:51:20] Muzer: ("they" being Bath University, the only people I've found who mentioned it can be done in VLC)
[21:51:28] Muzer: http://wiki.bath.ac.uk/display/bucstech/Freew . . . io+using+VLC
[21:53:06] Muzer: so, ignoring the weird stuff with the username, would the MythTV IPTV tuner support that?
[21:53:27] wagnerrp: if thats an RTSP stream over UDP
[21:53:30] wagnerrp: i believe so
[21:53:37] Muzer: sounds like it
[21:53:39] Muzer: great :)
[21:53:56] Muzer: (what else could it be over UDP?)
[21:54:32] wagnerrp: anything?
[21:54:43] Muzer: well, you don't really tend to get much over UDP, do you?
[21:54:50] Muzer: (I may be speaking rubbish)
[21:55:01] NewBuntu81: voip is udp usually
[21:55:06] wagnerrp: nearly everything multicast is UDP
[21:55:11] Muzer: oh, right :P
[21:55:23] wagnerrp: as are many other non-multicast streaming intefaces
[21:55:27] Muzer: actually, of course, that makes sense
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[21:55:33] NewBuntu81: and some FTP products use UDP for fast sending
[21:55:34] Muzer: because you can use UDP broadcast or whatever it is
[21:55:36] wagnerrp: they need more control than managed TCP connections offer
[21:55:49] Muzer: but yeah, this is definitely multicast
[21:56:16] NewBuntu81: udp doesn't have the overhead (resends/error checking) that TCP does, so it's faster.
[21:56:31] Muzer: yeah
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[22:00:15] Muzer: hmm
[22:00:22] Muzer: can't find anything that specifically says it's RTSP
[22:01:12] Muzer: actually, it may be RTP...
[22:01:17] eddytv: sphery: FYI, #9862 opened about the signalmon issue.
[22:01:44] Muzer: actually that may be their VoIP service
[22:01:46] Muzer: argh, confusing :P
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[22:08:09] sphery: eddytv: thx
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[22:14:15] childintime: hi
[22:15:50] childintime: i have pinnacle 320 hybrid dvb stick, scanning with program scan and playing channels in mplayer works fine..tuning in mythtv-setup says timed out, no signal every time..even if i try to import channels.conf with working conf, any ideas how to solve it?
[22:16:11] childintime: i tried increasing timeouts, doesnt help
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