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| [00:00:59] | Beirdo: | what in particular? |
| [00:01:11] | iamlindoro: | <Beirdo> OK, this is driving me insane |
| [00:01:11] | iamlindoro: | <Beirdo> previewgen is acting up again |
| [00:01:19] | iamlindoro: | <stuartm> there's something really odd going one with preview generation, it's repeatedly failing because it's trying to seek beyond the last frame, but always by just 3–4 frames |
| [00:02:29] | Beirdo: | ahhh, that part I missed :) |
| [00:02:50] | Beirdo: | yeah, it's kinda wonky at times |
| [00:04:00] | Beirdo: | and yeah, it's related to seeking near the end of the file in this case too |
| [00:04:34] | Beirdo: | and seems to be (so far) only on MPEG2 fiels here |
| [00:06:03] | wagnerrp: | so how hard would it be to simply 'turn off' the web setup? |
| [00:06:07] | Beirdo: | 14 frames past in this case |
| [00:06:44] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: or just not officially release that yet? Don't know if it really needs to be disabled. |
| [00:06:50] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp, one set of commented out lines |
| [00:07:06] | iamlindoro: | yeah, I'm fine with it being there and simply not being advertised too |
| [00:07:21] | wagnerrp: | leave the interfaces open, but i think at least the setup chunk of the backend page should be removed |
| [00:07:33] | wagnerrp: | if nothing else, just remove it from the menu |
| [00:07:38] | iamlindoro: | SG editing and Channel editing work, and work better in a lot of ways then the existing implementations, but there are a number of things that behave as though they work and don't, and a bunch of things that simply haven't had enough testing |
| [00:07:49] | wagnerrp: | so people wont stumble upon it while exploring |
| [00:08:20] | wagnerrp: | does sg editing actually work properly? |
| [00:08:28] | iamlindoro: | yes, SG and channel editing work |
| [00:08:37] | iamlindoro: | those are more or less the only fully functional things |
| [00:08:39] | wagnerrp: | you can edit the database just fine, but do those changes get propagated to the in-use backends? |
| [00:08:43] | iamlindoro: | well, outside of the "utilities" |
| [00:08:58] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp, SGs can be edited on the fly |
| [00:09:03] | iamlindoro: | as can channels |
| [00:09:08] | wagnerrp: | ok |
| [00:09:21] | wagnerrp: | i just know much of whats in mythtv-setup is considered to require a restart |
| [00:09:31] | iamlindoro: | pretty much everything after this point :) |
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| [00:12:42] | ** wagnerrp wants to develop a new optical disk format and spell it with a 'k' ** | |
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| [00:13:12] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp, Heh, I am willfully ignoring that ticket |
| [00:13:50] | iamlindoro: | since that's the same guy who, after I wrote Bluray support and announced it, could only respond with a private e-mail reading: "It's spelled DISC. I'm tired of people making this mistake." |
| [00:13:50] | wagnerrp: | we need a new resolution, 'fixed but youre a tool' |
| [00:14:06] | Beirdo: | hehe |
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| [00:14:14] | wagnerrp: | actually, its spelled 'disk' |
| [00:14:19] | Beirdo: | add a "user is a tool" checkbox |
| [00:14:20] | wagnerrp: | its an 'optical disk' |
| [00:14:33] | wagnerrp: | disk is the proper spelling in the english language |
| [00:14:47] | iamlindoro: | Beirdo, At least that's one widget *most* users wouldn't set themselves. |
| [00:15:05] | wagnerrp: | disc was brought in later as people wanted to sound fancy, and more classical, being closer to discus |
| [00:15:27] | Beirdo: | iamlindoro: one would hope not ;) |
| [00:15:58] | wagnerrp: | so in all correctness, a bluray disc is an optical disk |
| [00:15:58] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: not so sure. The two do seem to be interchangable as best I can tell dictionary-wise |
| [00:16:17] | wagnerrp: | disc being chosen for CDs, DVDs, and bluray as a brand name |
| [00:16:43] | iamlindoro: | heheh, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spelling_of_disc |
| [00:16:53] | Beirdo: | "disk" is a US-ism |
| [00:17:17] | Beirdo: | so it's about as useful as arguing over "color" vs "colour" |
| [00:17:52] | iamlindoro: | Yeah, though our "native" untranslated UI language is US English... so we win |
| [00:18:03] | wagnerrp: | huzzah! |
| [00:18:16] | wagnerrp: | suck it ignis |
| [00:18:35] | Beirdo: | hhehe |
| [00:18:40] | iamlindoro: | USA! USA! USA! |
| [00:18:43] | Beirdo: | there is that. |
| [00:18:47] | iamlindoro: | America, F yeah! |
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| [00:55:35] | Beirdo: | OK, food time |
| [00:55:43] | Beirdo: | before my brain atrophies on me |
| [00:56:16] | wagnerrp: | because the brain is so important to food consumption? |
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| [00:57:49] | iamlindoro: | strike that, reverse it |
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| [01:22:24] | iamlindoro: | hmm, all apps are segfaulting on exit again |
| [01:22:44] | iamlindoro: | anyone touch mythcorecontext (very) recently? |
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| [02:04:14] | wagnerrp: | ectospasm: i mean, if you store a 'BDMV' folder directly in the filesystem |
| [02:04:18] | wagnerrp: | the internal player can handle it |
| [02:04:30] | wagnerrp: | and more importantly, handle it remotely over storage groups |
| [02:06:13] | ectospasm: | I don't understand storage groups. And I'm using a combined backend/frontend, no need (yet) to have separate frontends. |
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| [02:07:10] | wagnerrp: | storage groups are intended to make the backend the central file server for all recordings and plugins |
| [02:07:25] | wagnerrp: | as opposed to all the plugins doing all their own independent file access |
| [02:07:28] | ectospasm: | I've already got an embedded Linux NAS that will be file storage |
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| [02:10:31] | wagnerrp: | the idea of storage groups and remote file access is that the backend is the only machine that needs the data mounted directly |
| [02:10:45] | wagnerrp: | if you want to add additional frontends, you install mythtv, and... thats it |
| [02:11:22] | wagnerrp: | the backend announced its location to the frontend, and the frontend access any content automatically through the backend |
| [02:11:27] | wagnerrp: | no need for NFS or CIFS setup |
| [02:11:47] | wagnerrp: | its an attempt to make things easier on the user |
| [02:11:59] | wagnerrp: | the problem is that other applications do not understand how to speak myth protocol |
| [02:12:17] | wagnerrp: | nor do they understand how to process the myth:// URIs returned by mythvideo to an external player |
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| [02:13:25] | wagnerrp: | you can mount the content locally, and write a script to process the URI, and mount the ISO to the loopback interface |
| [02:13:35] | wagnerrp: | but in order to mount, mythfrontend will have to operate as root |
| [02:13:44] | wagnerrp: | which is generally a 'bad thing' |
| [02:15:30] | ectospasm: | wagnerrp: there is sudo |
| [02:15:53] | ectospasm: | just allow the frontend to run the mount command without a password |
| [02:16:00] | ectospasm: | ...and then the umount |
| [02:16:17] | wagnerrp: | and then you have to configure sudo, more configuration for the user |
| [02:16:36] | ectospasm: | I don't have a problem doing that |
| [02:17:02] | ectospasm: | ...and I didn't know mythtv was trying to be zero configuration system. |
| [02:17:40] | wagnerrp: | thats the long term goal |
| [02:17:48] | wagnerrp: | not zero, but as little as possible |
| [02:19:12] | wagnerrp: | basically, what im getting at is you could sup a script for yourself, and it wouldnt be all that difficult, but it would not be accepted as any kind of official solution |
| [02:20:55] | ectospasm: | I'm still learning this system (only been installed for not even 24hrs now) |
| [02:21:40] | ectospasm: | It's enough that I get the functionality I want out of it. The fun is in tinkering with it. |
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| [02:29:16] | ectospasm: | But I can see the utility in having it be as little configuration as possible. |
| [02:29:35] | ectospasm: | Configuring the capture device isn't a whole lot of fun |
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| [02:40:57] | lwizardl: | Okay I am trying once again to get this system working as a mythtv box. I have a PVR-150 card that I plan to use for comcast cable, and then the Kworld ATSC 110 for my DTV antenna. Would anyone here want to help guide me through the setup. I have tried this about 50 times on my own and failed everytime |
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| [02:41:27] | [R]: | well its all on the wiki |
| [02:41:32] | [R]: | so if you have a PARTICULAR problem |
| [02:41:35] | [R]: | you can tell us what it us |
| [02:41:37] | [R]: | it is* |
| [02:42:27] | lwizardl: | every time i do the setup for the inputs it finds nothing not a single working channel on either the comcast or dtv |
| [02:43:13] | [R]: | you dont scan analog |
| [02:43:24] | [R]: | if your not finding anyting on dtv, its either not plugged in or your selected the wrong option |
| [02:44:21] | lwizardl: | when i try to watch live tv all i get is a blank screen with a channel number |
| [02:45:09] | lwizardl: | so i am sure it was a setting isue on my end |
| [02:45:17] | lwizardl: | which was why i was looking for help |
| [02:45:42] | lwizardl: | i'm not looking for someone to do the work for me but just guide me to get a working system |
| [02:46:00] | [R]: | what does the log say |
| [02:46:49] | lwizardl: | i dont have those anymore do to doing a full reinstall of mythbuntu |
| [02:46:56] | lwizardl: | for a fresh starting point |
| [02:47:53] | tgm4883: | lwizardl, does comcast even transmit analog anymore? |
| [02:48:24] | lwizardl: | tgm4883, from a cable out anything would be analog using rg6 |
| [02:48:41] | tgm4883: | lwizardl, err no |
| [02:49:03] | lwizardl: | are the HVR-1600 cards just plug and play with no issues ? |
| [02:49:21] | tgm4883: | you can get digital via RG6, I thought a bunch of cable companies were pushing that now |
| [02:49:31] | tgm4883: | and discontinuing analog broadcasts |
| [02:49:47] | tgm4883: | lwizardl, what version of mythbuntu are you running? |
| [02:49:53] | lwizardl: | 11.04 |
| [02:50:02] | tgm4883: | lwizardl, are you using mythbuntu-repos? |
| [02:50:26] | wagnerrp: | lwizardl: you should not be scanning for channels on the PVR-150 |
| [02:50:35] | wagnerrp: | pull a lineup from your schedules direct account |
| [02:50:51] | lwizardl: | all i did was enable the nvidia out to componet 480p for this tv to work |
| [02:51:13] | lwizardl: | and now sitting at the generic screen |
| [02:51:42] | tgm4883: | lwizardl, you need to get on an updated build |
| [02:51:53] | tgm4883: | Zinn> The Mythbuntu team provides updates for MythTV and Mythbuntu package using the Mythbuntu Repos http://mythbuntu.org/repos |
| [02:51:58] | wagnerrp: | tgm4883: hes talking about RG6 output from a cable box |
| [02:52:03] | tgm4883: | wagnerrp, ah |
| [02:52:14] | lwizardl: | yes |
| [02:52:21] | tgm4883: | I didn't see that part |
| [02:52:22] | wagnerrp: | lwizardl: you should not be capturing from a cable box using RF |
| [02:52:52] | tgm4883: | wagnerrp, pvr-150 would be affected by the V4L1 issue on 2.6.38 right? |
| [02:53:24] | wagnerrp: | the pvr-150 drivers work with v4l2 |
| [02:53:30] | tgm4883: | ah ok |
| [02:53:46] | lwizardl: | are the HVR-1600 & HVR-2250 cards just plug and play with no issues ? |
| [02:53:47] | tgm4883: | I'd still recommend getting up to date though |
| [02:54:11] | wagnerrp: | the 1600 should be, the 2250 will need a very modern kernel |
| [02:54:21] | wagnerrp: | 2.6.38 in 11.04 should do it |
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| [02:54:54] | ** Beirdo grumbles ** | |
| [02:55:09] | Beirdo: | debugging this is so much fun |
| [02:55:21] | lwizardl: | just wondering since i have always had issue in linux for the cards i have. but under win that work fine. so thinking about buying new cards to stop my issues. |
| [02:56:00] | lwizardl: | the current dvr i have been using stops the EPG for it about a month from now so time to get a real dvr |
| [02:56:19] | mzb: | ok ... got a frontend going on the E350 with fglrx ... seems to behave quite well so far |
| [02:56:52] | mzb: | although I wasn't able to use 2.6.39 (which provides CPU temp) |
| [02:59:29] | lwizardl: | ok was looking at these HVR-2250 cards and comparing to my mobo. would these cards be on if they might come into contact with a msi heatsync |
| [03:00:11] | lwizardl: | i have a small one next to my pci 1x slots |
| [03:00:51] | lwizardl: | this is my mobo for the mythbox http://img.tech-labs.ru/img/185373.jpg |
| [03:01:50] | mzb: | with one-field deinterlace method I'm getting ~35% usage on both cores ... not sure if it's SD or HD ;) |
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| [03:03:43] | wagnerrp: | lwizardl: replaytv or sagetv? |
| [03:03:54] | lwizardl: | replaytv |
| [03:04:04] | lwizardl: | settop |
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| [03:07:05] | lwizardl: | didn't know about sagetv being bought by google til just now when i loaded the site |
| [03:07:41] | lapion: | If I want to transcode a whole group of file, I can add them to a playlist and transcode, but how do I select what I want to have them transcoded into ? |
| [03:08:32] | lapion: | *files |
| [03:09:57] | lapion: | anyone ? |
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| [03:10:32] | wagnerrp: | you specify what profile you want, and it transcodes them all into that profile |
| [03:11:00] | lapion: | nope hwne I select transcode it doesn't give me the option of slecting a profile |
| [03:11:46] | lapion: | it does put them in the transcode list with a mystery profile.. |
| [03:16:46] | lapion: | wagnerrp, I have tried it, but when I do "Group List Menu"->"Playlist options"->"Job Options"->"Begin Transcoding" |
| [03:17:14] | wagnerrp: | then it uses the default set for that recording rule |
| [03:17:15] | lapion: | wagnerrp, the system begins transcoding without giving me the option of selecting a profile |
| [03:17:36] | lapion: | why not give me the option of selecting.. |
| [03:18:06] | wagnerrp: | you selected when you created the recording rule |
| [03:18:54] | lapion: | and I cannot change the default set for the recording rule afterwards ? |
| [03:20:29] | wagnerrp: | you can change the default for the rule, but the default for recordings made with that rule are made at the time of recording |
| [03:21:34] | lapion: | wagnerrp, but you can only select the transcoding profile if you select "Transcode new recordings".. |
| [03:23:25] | lapion: | and I do not transcode new recordings until after I have seen and edited them, you see the commercial skipper doesn't work at all in the Netherlands.. |
| [03:24:45] | lapion: | well until I have edited them.. |
| [03:28:14] | lwizardl: | with my motherboard design would it be better to use the 2250 or 1600 hauppage cards |
| [03:28:45] | lapion: | wagnerrp, you see after transcoding I cannot skip backwards in increments of less then 5 seconds. Any increment less then 5 seconds it skips forward instead of backwards.. |
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| [03:33:50] | wagnerrp: | lapion: when you fast forward or rewind, mythtv expects you will have some amount of reaction time |
| [03:34:10] | wagnerrp: | it assumes that to be half a second by default |
| [03:34:38] | wagnerrp: | so if you are rewinding at 10x, and hit play, it will jump back forward by five seconds |
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| [03:38:03] | lapion: | wagnerrp, I am talking about skipping back and forward during editing |
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| [03:45:38] | iamlindoro: | lapion, what version of myth is this? Pastebin mythfrontend --version |
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| [03:46:25] | lapion: | well every version I have tried since 0.23 |
| [03:46:54] | lapion: | iamlindoro, |
| [03:46:57] | iamlindoro: | That doesn't help, I'm asking what version you're running now |
| [03:47:05] | iamlindoro: | and specific revision, too |
| [03:47:10] | iamlindoro: | so pastebin mythfrontend --version |
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| [03:52:26] | lapion: | iamlindoro, http://pastebin.com/M6iNHKgD |
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| [04:24:28] | ectospasm: | is there any danger to running mythfrontend as the mythtv system user? |
| [04:25:26] | wagnerrp: | nope |
| [04:26:45] | [R]: | what is a 'system user'? |
| [04:28:10] | ectospasm: | well, the user that was created when mythbuntu installed itself. |
| [04:28:27] | ectospasm: | ...I have my main user that I've been doing all my admin tasks |
| [04:28:45] | [R]: | oh, so its just a normal user |
| [04:28:53] | [R]: | why would running an app as a user be dangerous? |
| [04:29:08] | ectospasm: | but since I use RSA keys to access my main workstation, I'd like to keep it password-protected |
| [04:29:18] | ectospasm: | that means the screensaver will activate and lock. |
| [04:29:35] | ectospasm: | [R]: depends on the system |
| [04:29:45] | [R]: | if its dangerous or not? |
| [04:29:52] | [R]: | well if you have no clue what youa re doing... i supopse it could be "dangerous" |
| [04:30:32] | ectospasm: | yes. I could imagine accessing the non-database functions as the database user could be dangerous for the database backend |
| [04:30:46] | [R]: | what? |
| [04:31:54] | ectospasm: | depending on the interdependencies involved |
| [04:31:58] | wagnerrp: | WTF are you doing with your own RSA login? |
| [04:32:10] | ectospasm: | wagnerrp: ssh |
| [04:32:22] | [R]: | speaking of rsa... i wonder if my token is going to be replaced |
| [04:32:24] | [R]: | i haventh eard anything yet |
| [04:33:12] | ectospasm: | I slurped a lot of files off my workstation so I could have a proper environment to work on this (the hobbled GNOME Mythbuntu provides doesn't cut it) |
| [04:33:29] | [R]: | well for 1... mythbuntu doesnt use gnome |
| [04:33:48] | ectospasm: | oh, right. I got confused. It does run GDM, though |
| [04:34:06] | wagnerrp: | ectospasm: 'rsa tokens' being those little things providing a rolling access codes based off a radio clock |
| [04:34:26] | wagnerrp: | the thing where each code is active for a 10 second window |
| [04:34:33] | [R]: | mine is 60 |
| [04:34:37] | ectospasm: | wagnerrp: no, I'm talking about RSA cryptographic keys generated by ssh-keygen |
| [04:34:38] | [R]: | maybe its 30... i never counted |
| [04:34:56] | ectospasm: | id_rsa and id_rsa.pub |
| [04:35:11] | [R]: | yeah, 60 seconds |
| [04:35:22] | wagnerrp: | that would be an rsa hash |
| [04:35:49] | ectospasm: | wagnerrp: they're an RSA private and public key pair. |
| [04:35:51] | wagnerrp: | anyway... you dont need a password to run mythfrontend under the mythtv user |
| [04:36:13] | wagnerrp: | but 'token' refers specifically to that little rolling code device |
| [04:36:15] | [R]: | nor is it "dangerous" to run it as a user |
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| [04:36:26] | ectospasm: | I intend to have mythtv log in when the machine boots |
| [04:36:36] | wagnerrp: | leave the password empty so login is blocked |
| [04:37:05] | ectospasm: | ? |
| [04:37:16] | wagnerrp: | have your getty automatically login on boot |
| [04:37:26] | wagnerrp: | change your login shell to a script that starts X |
| [04:37:37] | wagnerrp: | have your X init start mythfrontend as the primary application |
| [04:37:50] | wagnerrp: | when mythfrontend closes, X terminates, the script terminates, and you log out |
| [04:38:46] | ectospasm: | I was just going to set gdm up to do it. Should be a one-line change in /etc/gdm/custom.conf |
| [04:39:29] | ectospasm: | I would still need gdm so I could login as my main admin user |
| [04:39:45] | ectospasm: | ...but yeah, there are a bunch of ways to do it. |
| [04:40:08] | wagnerrp: | or you ctrl-alt-2 to a new terminal and log in |
| [04:40:56] | ectospasm: | right, and startx to start X |
| [04:41:11] | ectospasm: | ...but gdm is already set up. No need to toss it just yet. |
| [04:42:19] | wagnerrp: | or adjust your bash profile so if it is tied to a local terminal (not ssh), it automatically runs startx |
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| [05:05:15] | lwizardl: | wagnerrp, do you have a 2250 card ? |
| [05:07:04] | wagnerrp: | nope |
| [05:07:55] | lwizardl: | k |
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| [05:40:29] | k-man: | Beirdo: hows your hdpvr-killer going? |
| [05:40:50] | Beirdo: | working fine |
| [05:41:00] | k-man: | has it solved your problem? |
| [05:41:04] | Beirdo: | yup |
| [05:41:10] | k-man: | cool :) |
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| [06:16:07] | lwizardl: | ok what is a hdpvr-killer |
| [06:16:08] | lwizardl: | ? |
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| [06:16:49] | Beirdo: | a device that kills the power to the hdpvr under software control |
| [06:17:01] | Beirdo: | for use if/when it locks up |
| [06:17:04] | lwizardl: | ah cool |
| [06:17:31] | Beirdo: | oh pretty, I made it worse?! |
| [06:17:53] | [R]: | Beirdo: how are you detecting errors? |
| [06:18:44] | Beirdo: | [R]: by checking for 0-byte files on recording |
| [06:19:37] | lwizardl: | anyone here have a hvr-2250 card spare ? i am trying to find out if they will work in my mobo i have a heatsync behind the slots |
| [06:19:54] | [R]: | Beirdo: so do use one of the event things? |
| [06:20:08] | lwizardl: | looking to see if someone can measure the plugs |
| [06:20:26] | Beirdo: | yes, I use the new recording event |
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| [06:20:48] | Beirdo: | lwizardl: why would anyone have a spare? |
| [06:21:06] | ectospasm: | in case the production one breaks? |
| [06:21:06] | lwizardl: | not sure if they are using their machine right now or not. |
| [06:21:10] | [R]: | i'm trying to decide if switching to suspend to disk is worth it for me |
| [06:21:11] | Beirdo: | you might want to check on hauppauge's site, they may list the dimensions |
| [06:21:38] | Beirdo: | I doubt many people would be shutting down and taking apart their backend to measure a card for ya :) |
| [06:21:47] | [R]: | "card" |
| [06:21:52] | [R]: | is that what the kids are ca;lling it these days? |
| [06:22:05] | Beirdo: | !trout [R] |
| [06:22:05] | ** MythLogBot slaps [R] with a trout on behalf of Beirdo... ** | |
| [06:22:08] | [R]: | HAHA |
| [06:22:12] | ectospasm: | cards, adapters, devices... they can be used interchangeably |
| [06:22:23] | [R]: | ectospasm: it was a joke |
| [06:22:27] | [R]: | i had a GOOD one last night |
| [06:22:38] | lwizardl: | Beirdo, hehe yeah which was why i said spare :) |
| [06:22:42] | [R]: | the guy was like "i can't tell whats innuendo"... so i replied "all of it" |
| [06:23:16] | Beirdo: | you are such a Todd |
| [06:23:33] | [R]: | todd? |
| [06:24:26] | Beirdo: | yes |
| [06:24:46] | [R]: | whos todd? |
| [06:24:52] | Beirdo: | watch some Scrubs sometime :) |
| [06:25:06] | [R]: | oh, i've seen it |
| [06:25:08] | [R]: | i get it i think |
| [06:25:19] | [R]: | he was the surgeon alwyas making the jokes right? |
| [06:25:45] | Beirdo: | yes |
| [06:26:04] | [R]: | i should watch that show again |
| [06:26:31] | [R]: | looks like its all on netflix |
| [06:26:32] | [R]: | very nice |
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| [06:27:37] | [R]: | looks like only the last 2 seasons are hd |
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| [06:33:29] | Beirdo: | whew |
| [06:33:39] | Beirdo: | that coredump is a thing of the past |
| [06:34:01] | Beirdo: | now to figure out how to slap this thing into submission |
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| [06:48:49] | Beirdo: | trying to get rid of the stupid mysql errors on shutdown |
| [06:50:07] | [R]: | if (shutdown) stupid_mysql_errors = 0; |
| [06:50:34] | ectospasm: | wow, it's just a simple assignment? |
| [06:50:46] | Beirdo: | hah |
| [06:50:48] | Beirdo: | you wish |
| [06:51:02] | [R]: | rofl |
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| [07:00:37] | lsolesen: | Any of you have a script to check whether other programs are running before shutting down? |
| [07:00:55] | lsolesen: | with mythshutdown --safeshutdown? |
| [07:02:28] | Beirdo: | hey you dang woodchucks! Stop chuckin my wood! |
| [07:02:32] | ectospasm: | lsolesen: there's alwas ps |
| [07:02:45] | [R]: | safeshutdown? |
| [07:02:54] | ectospasm: | lsolesen: and there will always be other processes running. |
| [07:03:10] | [R]: | lsolesen: i have the backend run a script which checks if it can shutdown with mythsutdown and then also does some other checks |
| [07:03:37] | lsolesen: | ectospasm: Yeah, I know. The thing is I am using xbmc as frontend setup by mythwelcome --setup. However it still shuts down even though XMBC is running. |
| [07:03:52] | lsolesen: | [R]: Can I see your script? |
| [07:04:15] | [R]: | why? |
| [07:04:16] | ectospasm: | lsolesen: so send SIGHUP or whatever to XBMC before shutting down. |
| [07:04:19] | [R]: | it just runs the mythshtudown |
| [07:04:24] | [R]: | and then runs some otehr random stuff that i care about |
| [07:04:28] | [R]: | you can write a script ot check for what YOU care about |
| [07:05:03] | lsolesen: | [R]: Ah, ok. I care about xbmc not being running when mythwelcome decides to shut down my system :) |
| [07:05:15] | [R]: | mythwelcome doesnt shut it down |
| [07:05:19] | [R]: | the backend calls a script that you told it to |
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| [07:06:09] | lsolesen: | [R]: Ah, yes. And right now I said to have a preprocess which runs mythshutdown --check. |
| [07:06:31] | lsolesen: | However, it does not check whether the frontend is running (when it is not mythfrontend anyways) |
| [07:06:46] | [R]: | its not supposed to |
| [07:07:00] | [R]: | all it does is check if there are any active connections or if any jobs and/or schedules are upcoming |
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| [07:11:15] | lsolesen: | ectospasm: What will SIGHUP sent to xbmc do? and how do you do that? |
| [07:11:52] | ectospasm: | lsolesen: I dunno what it will do. You can "kill -HUP $(pidof xbmc)" |
| [07:12:14] | ectospasm: | ...HUP might not be the right signal to send |
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| [07:12:33] | ectospasm: | ...it may be TERM or KILL |
| [07:12:40] | ectospasm: | ...although KILL is rather drastic |
| [07:12:57] | ectospasm: | come to think of it, HUP may simply make it reload |
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| [07:23:33] | lsolesen: | ectospasm: ah, it is not that I also want to kill xbmc. It is that xbmc should not be shutdown. |
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| [07:26:59] | ectospasm: | lsolesen: does xbmc have a run file, in /var/run/xbmc.pid (for example), which can be checked? |
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| [10:43:36] | lapion: | iamlindoro, did you get my pastebin ? |
| [10:43:39] | lapion: | iamlindoro, http://pastebin.com/M6iNHKgD |
| [10:46:41] | tob_: | anyone a idea why my channelicons are displayed in the programguide but not in the osd? |
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| [10:52:20] | lapion: | your homedir filesystem is full ? |
| [10:56:50] | lapion: | tob_, maybe user rights on the cache ? |
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| [11:02:51] | tob_: | permissions look fine |
| [11:04:02] | tob_: | all the icons are in .mythtv/channels and work in the programguide... |
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| [11:56:32] | stuartm: | tob_: it's stupid but they use two different methods to retrieve icons and the OSD one only works with icons installed on the same machine as the frontend |
| [11:56:43] | stuartm: | the guide fetches the icons from the backend |
| [11:57:34] | stuartm: | tob_: copy the icons to .mythtv/channels on the frontend and they should work in the OSD |
| [11:57:50] | stuartm: | that really needs to be fixed |
| [11:59:23] | stuartm: | if the frontend and backend are on the same machine, then it's probable that the frontend is running as a different user to the backend and the icons need to be in both users home directories (under .mythtv/channels/) |
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| [12:50:31] | tob_: | stuartm: On all my frontends .mythtv/channels is a symlink to a shared folder were the channelicons are... but i thinkt the database entrie is wrong... this points to the ./mythtv dir of the user who ran mythtv-setup to get the channel icons.. |
| [12:51:09] | tob_: | i could try to change this to ~/.mythtv/... |
| [12:52:03] | tob_: | but i'm not sure if the db entry is even uses to retrieve the icons |
| [12:53:41] | tob_: | i mean the 'icon' column in the mythconverg.channel table |
| [13:09:39] | sphery: | tob_: you should always run mythtv-setup (which is backend setup) as the user who runs mythbackend |
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| [13:11:50] | tob_: | sphery: that's slightly confusing since i don't even have to use the same machine as the backend and can still run mythtv-setup... |
| [13:12:42] | sphery: | tob_: are you saying that the icon location is an absolute directory path (i.e. /home/someuser/.mythtv/channels/whatever.png ) in the database? |
| [13:13:11] | sphery: | if so, even running mythtv-setup as the same user the backend runs as would mean you could have issues if the frontend and backend run as different users |
| [13:13:19] | sphery: | if not, we can easily fix the problem |
| [13:13:48] | sphery: | (work around the issue stuartm mentioned until someone writes the code to change channel icons to use Storage Groups, that is) |
| [13:16:11] | sphery: | tob_: so what do the icon entries look like in your db? |
| [13:19:55] | tob_: | yes the looked like you said "/home/someuser/.mythtv/channels/...." where someuse != backenduser && someuser != frontenduser... |
| [13:20:36] | tob_: | i did change the entries to be "~/.mythtv/channels..." but it didn't help either... |
| [13:20:39] | sphery: | ah, in that case, we'll need to re-pull them... you can run: MYTHCONFDIR=/srv/mythtv mythtv-setup |
| [13:20:53] | sphery: | ah, or if you've changed them to ~/.mythtv/channels |
| [13:21:18] | sphery: | just move channels to somewhere else (i.e. /srv/mythtv/channels or /var/lib/mythtv/channels if your distro is one of those that ignores the FHS :) |
| [13:21:44] | sphery: | and then put a symlink in all users' $HOME with : ln -s /srv/mythtv/channels $HOME/.mythtv/channels |
| [13:21:45] | tob_: | i use gentoo... |
| [13:22:05] | sphery: | so, basically, move the channels directory out of user home dirs |
| [13:22:32] | sphery: | and symlink to a properly-permissioned dir in an accessible-by-all-mythtv-users location |
| [13:23:37] | sphery: | as Stuart had mentioned, you'll need to have this in the $HOME/.mythtv dir of the user that runs mythbackend and the user that runs mythfrontend |
| [13:23:42] | tob_: | ok, and "MYTHCONFDIR=/srv/mythtv mythtv-setup" will fix the database entries? Or do i need du pull the channelicons againe? |
| [13:24:16] | sphery: | no, MYTHCONFDIR would allow us to temporarily override the location it writes the channel icons |
| [13:24:26] | sphery: | we don't want to do that if you've already edited db entries |
| [13:24:40] | tob_: | ok |
| [13:24:43] | sphery: | oh, and it's possible that ~ might not work... |
| [13:24:57] | sphery: | since that's mainly a shell thing, I think (whereas $HOME should work |
| [13:25:19] | sphery: | but try it the easy way (with symlink to elsewhere), and if that doesn't work, we'll try the other approach |
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| [13:25:45] | tob_: | na this really gets complicated since the frontends us nfs and the path between frontend and backend do differ... |
| [13:26:20] | sphery: | well, you need to make a patch that's constant on all systems |
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| [13:28:21] | tob_: | if i just had the time... |
| [13:29:39] | sphery: | other option is to write a patch that converts all channel icon usage to use storage groups and to support pulling those icons from the backend |
| [13:29:50] | sphery: | :) |
| [13:30:00] | sphery: | that way, only the backend would need access |
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| [13:39:23] | tob_: | sphery: this is item number 42 on my Stuff-I'd-Like-To-Do list... ;-) |
| [13:41:27] | tob_: | where would i start with this storage group stuff? Just want to take a look on how hard it would be... |
| [13:47:09] | sphery: | not sure... adding support for a Channel Icons storage group is a matter of adding one line to storagegroup.cpp (in the special groups string list), but making our code use it (both to read /and/ to write channel icons), including MythWeb, the mythtv-setup channel icon utility (which needs a complete rewrite), the new HTTP setup channel editor (which may or may not have a channel icon utility, yet), the OSD, and the EPG would be a matter ... |
| [13:47:15] | sphery: | ... of grep'ing and rewriting/refactoring |
| [13:47:37] | sphery: | it's likely not as bad as that sounds--as you'd create a library function for retrieving the icons and just call that from the appropriate places |
| [13:48:11] | sphery: | but if you do decide to do it, feel free to ask questions about your plan for how to do it |
| [13:48:33] | sphery: | or specific questions about the code as you're working it out |
| [13:49:01] | sphery: | (here, in #mythtv (since you're actually doing work on mythtv development), or either of the mailing lists) |
| [13:53:50] | tob_: | sphery: it wont happen in the next few days but maybe sometime... |
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| [13:57:32] | sphery: | and, really, if you don't get to it, it /will/ get done eventually |
| [13:58:05] | sphery: | as you could probably tell from Stuart's comment, it's something we recognize needs updating to more modern MythTV practices |
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| [14:00:55] | lsolesen: | dk |
| [14:02:05] | lsolesen: | sorry about that. I am looking for a way to make sure that mythshutdown --safeshutdown is called whenever my system shuts down (I need to make it fool proof so my gf does not mess up the system). |
| [14:02:20] | lsolesen: | I am on an Ubuntu 11 box. |
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| [14:10:32] | lsolesen: | wagnerrp: I wrote a little script to check whether xbmc was started, so the box will not shutdown if it was https://gist.github.com/1033910#file_checkshutdown.sh |
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| [14:24:12] | NewBuntu81: | When you are in "Watch Recordings", is there a way to type in and search shows rather than find it on the left panel? |
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| [14:32:56] | sphery: | NewBuntu81: no |
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| [14:44:46] | tob_: | NewBuntu81: some days ago someone created a patch to browse the Recordings alphabetically as in the Programfinder: http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/9849 |
| [14:45:22] | NewBuntu81: | oh ok. I just thought it might be handy to hit a button to search, type in the first couple letters and weed the list down. |
| [14:46:37] | tob_: | NewBuntu81: I haven't used the patch myself just saw the discussion about it on the mailinglist.... |
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| [14:53:56] | wagnerrp: | sphery: i seem to have a base misunderstanding of unraid |
| [14:54:06] | wagnerrp: | what does it have anything to do with CIFS or NFS? |
| [14:55:13] | sphery: | wagnerrp: heh, I have no understanding of unraid--not even what it is :) |
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| [14:55:45] | wagnerrp: | basically, its a parity set operating on top of two or more independent filesystems |
| [14:55:46] | sphery: | I just assumed he has some nas appliance that gives him certain options and so he can do cifs or, now, maybe nfs |
| [14:56:37] | wagnerrp: | the only thing i can think of is that unraid accesses CIFS directly, rather than requiring you mount it to the local filesystem first |
| [14:57:09] | sphery: | it does sound like the unraid may be running at low enough level that /it/ is what has the files open |
| [14:57:32] | sphery: | but a tool that makes delete impossible... sounds less than ideal |
| [14:58:40] | sphery: | I completely agree with your recent comments, though--that moving storage to the backend host or moving the backend to the NAS host makes most sense |
| [14:59:08] | sphery: | I explicitly designed my system so each backend has only local storage to limit the effects of network issues |
| [15:00:37] | wagnerrp: | i explicitly designed my system so that each backend has no storage, because im a cheap bastard who didnt want to buy boot drives |
| [15:00:41] | wagnerrp: | :) |
| [15:00:45] | sphery: | heh |
| [15:01:25] | sphery: | I figured I needed storage somewhere, so putting it in the backends themselves makes as much sense as anywhere else |
| [15:01:51] | sphery: | (and I can easily "borrow" 20GB from the drives for the boot/root--where the 20GB is way more than I need) |
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| [17:20:23] | bobgill: | I'm getting this starting mythbackend: http://pastebin.com/gR6Nhitd |
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| [17:22:59] | gregL: | bobgill, Warning: No valid capture cards are defined in the database. Perhaps a corrupt DB? |
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| [17:24:30] | bobgill: | gregL: damn, how do I fix that or check it? |
| [17:24:38] | bobgill: | just happened upon me rebooting the machine |
| [17:25:38] | gregL: | bobgill, This is what I use.. mysqlcheck -u root -p --repair mythconverg |
| [17:27:31] | sphery: | bobgill: optimize_mythdb.pl |
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| [17:29:30] | bobgill: | http://pastebin.com/tELUBwxT |
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| [17:30:45] | gregL: | bobgill, Follow spherys lead he has way more knowledge than I.. |
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| [17:30:56] | bobgill: | ok trying optimize_mythdb.pl |
| [17:31:22] | sphery: | well, optimize_mythdb.pl just does repair stuff, but it does it automatically without having to read and understand the details of the documentation for mysqlcheck |
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| [17:37:26] | bobgill: | http://pastebin.com/Q7gKUgk5 |
| [17:37:31] | bobgill: | after optimize_mythdb.pl |
| [17:39:23] | sphery: | yeah, based on your mysqlcheck run, it looks like the problem isn't crashed DB tables |
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| [17:40:04] | sphery: | bear with me--I'm having a hard time getting to your pastebins |
| [17:40:15] | sphery: | my 'net is currently running at slower than dial-up speed |
| [17:41:28] | sphery: | bobgill: is this a master or remote backend |
| [17:42:29] | bobgill: | sphery: no prob much appreciate help |
| [17:42:33] | bobgill: | master |
| [17:42:36] | bobgill: | running arch linux |
| [17:42:48] | bobgill: | working fine but just rebooted and now that's happening |
| [17:42:56] | bobgill: | i only have 2 pvr-150's on it |
| [17:43:07] | sphery: | just got an automated phone call from the cable company to confirm that I still want to keep the appointment with the tech who will arrive between 40 minutes ago and 1hr 20min from now |
| [17:43:28] | sphery: | you'd think they'd confirm /before/ the start of the appointment window... but, hey, maybe I just don't know how to run a cable business |
| [17:43:41] | sphery: | ok, and you /have/ defined capture cards in your system? |
| [17:43:55] | digitlman: | the cable company are idiots |
| [17:44:07] | digitlman: | *they* don't know how to ruin acable business |
| [17:44:11] | digitlman: | err run |
| [17:44:12] | digitlman: | ruin, yes |
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| [17:44:57] | sphery: | heh |
| [17:45:51] | digitlman: | and since a lot of "their" techs are contractors with hand-written signs on pickup trucks.... |
| [17:45:54] | sphery: | bobgill: ok, the problem is 2011-06–20 13:35:33.102 MythBackend: Running as a slave backend |
| [17:46:02] | sphery: | bobgill: i.e. your IP address has changed |
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| [17:46:51] | sphery: | It's currently using 127.0.0.1 for "this host IP", which doesn't match the value specified for master backend "IP Address" in mythtv-setup |
| [17:47:43] | sphery: | which means youlikely need to fix your config.xml and/or mysql.txt (every single one on your system, regardless of where they appear) to all contain the same info |
| [17:50:29] | bobgill: | sphery: that was it, I just went into mythtv-setup and changed the first entry from 127.0.0.1 to 192.168.1.100 to match and now it's running |
| [17:50:51] | sphery: | nice |
| [17:50:56] | bobgill: | also needed to add storage directory |
| [17:51:13] | bobgill: | strange that rebooting seems to have wiped some of these settings |
| [17:51:18] | sphery: | and it's much better to use routable addresses, anyway, so if before it was 127.0.0.1 for both, you've improved things |
| [17:51:39] | sphery: | you don't have dhcp assigning different addresses? |
| [17:51:50] | sphery: | and you're sure your network was actually enabled before? |
| [17:52:59] | bobgill: | yes network has been up whole time, i have static addresses set in arch on all machines, the backend has always been .100 |
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| [18:04:03] | sphery: | wagnerrp: wow, some of these high-end GPUs are pulling 73W at idle: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-po . . . ,2950-2.html |
| [18:04:44] | wagnerrp: | well just look at the amount of silicon they have on them |
| [18:04:49] | sphery: | true |
| [18:05:28] | wagnerrp: | so what triggered the mailing list etiquette comment? |
| [18:05:32] | sphery: | btw, reading an article where it takes 10+ minutes per page to load is a great way to kill the hours before the guy comes to fix your cable internet |
| [18:05:44] | sphery: | on the wiki or did you see the thread on list? |
| [18:06:11] | sphery: | there was a post linking to a "use a proxy to make bbc think you're in the UK so you can use iplayer" blog entry |
| [18:06:27] | sphery: | (it used Tor to do it) |
| [18:06:55] | sphery: | in thread: [mythtv-users] OT: bbc iplayer to be subscription service |
| [18:07:29] | wagnerrp: | sphery: thats 73W for the whole system idle |
| [18:07:46] | sphery: | (where the original post links to an article that says that BBC is opening up their service internationally by allowing non-UK citizens to pay for subscriptions) |
| [18:07:49] | wagnerrp: | with an integrated GPU |
| [18:07:49] | sphery: | ahhh |
| [18:07:54] | sphery: | heh |
| [18:07:56] | wagnerrp: | (not high end) |
| [18:08:14] | sphery: | I should have read the full page before I made a comment here |
| [18:08:51] | digitlman: | my Sandy Bridge runs around 41–45 watts with new ps |
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| [18:09:48] | sphery: | yeah, this definitely wasn't designed for low power consumption |
| [18:10:33] | digitlman: | I'm not a fan of undervolting |
| [18:10:47] | digitlman: | why pay top $$ just to under-use it? |
| [18:11:23] | digitlman: | better to spend the money on a quality energy efficient device |
| [18:11:39] | sphery: | yeah, the point of the article is to find out if it's worth worrying about at all |
| [18:11:51] | digitlman: | it's like buying a Porsche and never taking it out of 3rd gear |
| [18:11:52] | sphery: | and I completely agree with buying energy efficient |
| [18:12:04] | digitlman: | above 3rd, rather |
| [18:12:27] | sphery: | they're assuming, though, that a person has a super-high-end gaming rig, and wondering how much extra he's paying to use that super-high-end GPU for e-mail/browsing |
| [18:12:32] | digitlman: | I'm excited about the SB chips, and the upcoming Llanos |
| [18:12:48] | digitlman: | well, since the trend is for multiple devices.... |
| [18:12:48] | sphery: | yeah, definitely a good thing |
| [18:13:00] | sphery: | and, yeah, I have purpose-specific devices |
| [18:13:02] | digitlman: | game on the game rig, browse on the tablet |
| [18:13:03] | digitlman: | etc |
| [18:13:06] | sphery: | exactly |
| [18:13:30] | digitlman: | the "One PC To Rule Them All" appears to be a dying concept |
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| [18:13:55] | sphery: | where by "tablet" I'm sure you mean, "real desktop with keyboard/mouse and nice sized screen that sits on a stand rather than forcing you hold it at the right angle to read" |
| [18:13:58] | sphery: | :) |
| [18:14:03] | digitlman: | lol |
| [18:14:07] | digitlman: | well, yeah |
| [18:14:08] | sphery: | (I hate the whole idea of tablets) |
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| [18:14:44] | digitlman: | I'm warming up to the idea....but I don't like having to spend another $400+ for yet another device |
| [18:14:48] | sphery: | they're fine for someone who spends a few minutes on the web per day, but if you're trying to get things done, they're not the way to go, IMHO |
| [18:14:59] | digitlman: | I agree |
| [18:15:07] | skd5aner: | iamlindoro: ping |
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| [18:15:42] | stuartm: | I can see myself owning a tablet when the prices drop to £50 for something reasonably capable but it would always remain something I used infrequently alongside a proper desktop and a laptop |
| [18:15:58] | digitlman: | get a Kindle or Nook and root it so you can wifi and surf |
| [18:16:04] | digitlman: | they're less than $150 now |
| [18:16:07] | sphery: | IMHO, the best place to use them is for roll-your-own digital photo frames or "in-wall displays" or something (but that also presumes you'd be getting them at prices like stuartm is talking) |
| [18:16:18] | digitlman: | yeah |
| [18:16:40] | digitlman: | as with all things computery, time will make them cheaper |
| [18:17:11] | sphery: | so get a $50 one and hook it up to your home-automation system and mounted on the wall or something, but I like having a keyboard and mouse for real usage |
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| [18:17:38] | digitlman: | yeah me too |
| [18:17:52] | digitlman: | for really anything other than web browsing |
| [18:17:58] | digitlman: | k/m a must |
| [18:18:01] | digitlman: | kb/m |
| [18:18:14] | stuartm: | I'd want something I could throw in a bag, hop on a train and then use in an archives to check something online – anything more than that and I'd want my laptop/netbook |
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| [18:19:10] | stuartm: | I used to use my netbook for that stuff, but it was a first gen device and the battery failed after a year :( |
| [18:19:37] | digitlman: | sadly, as it was designed |
| [18:19:46] | digitlman: | so you would have to buy a new one |
| [18:19:47] | sphery: | yeah, batteries are the other big downside to these portable devices--they're expensive to replace and fail fast |
| [18:19:54] | stuartm: | digitlman: aye |
| [18:20:17] | digitlman: | cheap parts |
| [18:20:52] | stuartm: | replacement cost of batteries can be as much as 50% of the original purchase price |
| [18:21:12] | digitlman: | yep |
| [18:21:45] | stuartm: | which is why I declined to buy a proprietary battery to prop up a netbook which was already 2 generations behind what was then on the market |
| [18:21:51] | stuartm: | good money after bad etc |
| [18:21:55] | sphery: | yeah |
| [18:22:34] | digitlman: | yep |
| [18:22:41] | stuartm: | it's a real shame, because it was pretty useful :( |
| [18:23:07] | sphery: | I just had to buy a replacement power adapter for my laptop. Mine failed the day before I left on a week-long trip where I needed the laptop, so I had to do it. Got one of the 3rd party (iGo) supplies that I'm hoping is better quality than the vendor's--and figure if nothing else, it should work for future laptops, too |
| [18:23:22] | sphery: | was still annoying spending $90 on a couple-year-old laptop |
| [18:23:33] | digitlman: | it sure is |
| [18:23:54] | stuartm: | ouch |
| [18:24:00] | sphery: | if timing was different, I may well have just bought a new laptop |
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| [18:24:44] | digitlman: | these batteries are almost as bad as the "starter ink" that come with inkjet printers..starter batteries – now with 1/2 the life cycle! |
| [18:25:53] | sphery: | heh, my 'starter ink' lasted me >2yrs--I know this because I actually triggered the HP "make your printer take >20min to print a draft quality page of text if the cartridge is >2yr old" issue on them |
| [18:26:14] | sphery: | still had 80% of the color cartridge and 60% black left |
| [18:26:17] | digitlman: | wow |
| [18:26:53] | sphery: | fortunately, EFF and others stopped them from chipping cartridges like that because my current ones have lasted longer than 2yrs |
| [18:27:15] | stuartm: | I'm a lot more cautious now, I felt particularly burnt by that incident and so I'm preferring to play the waiting game, see how things settle in the tablet/netbook market |
| [18:27:23] | digitlman: | as an aside...any idea if ah hp wireless mouse (fx287aa) will work in linux? My Google fu is failing me |
| [18:27:35] | sphery: | I was wondering how they're implementing it |
| [18:28:29] | stuartm: | digitlman: usb? |
| [18:28:40] | digitlman: | yeah |
| [18:28:41] | sphery: | if it's connecting to a managed network and using software control to speak to some "server" the drivers set up on the system, it would be very easy to integrate (though would require new drivers and "server" for *nix) |
| [18:28:41] | wagnerrp: | sphery: i just get hit by the 'jets dry up after 2yrs of no use' issue |
| [18:29:10] | stuartm: | digitlman: then it *should*, pretty much all wireless mice just appear as usb mice to the OS |
| [18:29:17] | digitlman: | ok |
| [18:29:23] | sphery: | but I've heard guesses that it actually makes an ad-hoc connection to the wifi card, which is supposed to work even while the wifi is connected to a managed network... |
| [18:29:25] | digitlman: | it was a spare in the office..... |
| [18:29:33] | sphery: | and now I realize you're not talking about the new HP wifi mouse... |
| [18:29:33] | sphery: | sorry |
| [18:29:39] | digitlman: | nope |
| [18:29:45] | digitlman: | it's an older one |
| [18:30:06] | sphery: | http://www.tomshardware.com/news/wi-fi-mouse- . . . i,12961.html is the wifi mouse |
| [18:30:08] | stuartm: | I've never had an HP wireless mouse, but I've gone through other manufacturers e.g. MS, Logitech etc |
| [18:30:30] | digitlman: | http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/softwareCa . . . 3840435& |
| [18:30:33] | digitlman: | thats the one |
| [18:30:40] | stuartm: | sphery: that's a pretty silly idea IMHO and one way to burn through batteries |
| [18:30:55] | sphery: | stuartm: yeah, that's exactly what I thought--though theyclaim 9mos battery life |
| [18:31:01] | sphery: | (from 2 AA batteries) |
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| [18:31:09] | kormoc: | sphery, for the mouse or for the laptop? |
| [18:31:18] | kormoc: | I'd imagine the laptop will take the major hit |
| [18:31:23] | sphery: | heh, wish they could do the laptop for 9mos on 2 AA's |
| [18:31:47] | sphery: | ah, yeah, it's quite possible that the additional wifi usage will drain the laptop's battery fast, too |
| [18:31:51] | stuartm: | sphery: 'up to 9 months' suggests to me they mean if you leave the mouse switched on but never use it ;) |
| [18:31:55] | kormoc: | sphery, but but but atoms! |
| [18:32:00] | wagnerrp: | sphery: not a problem |
| [18:32:56] | sphery: | stuartm: I just plugged my old, annoying wired mouse back into this system, today, because the wireless mouse I got (proprietary RF) was draining batteries too quickly |
| [18:33:15] | digitlman: | I use rechargable batts |
| [18:33:24] | stuartm: | sphery: or 30 minutes per day usage * * Based on average customer usage in a sample size of 10, survey conducted at residential nursing home for the over 75s |
| [18:33:24] | sphery: | I'm sure on this mouse, the manufacturer was quoting those on but not used life times |
| [18:33:33] | wagnerrp: | sphery: just build an RTG powered by U233 into an AA form factor |
| [18:33:41] | digitlman: | lol |
| [18:33:45] | digitlman: | an RTG powered mouse |
| [18:33:49] | sphery: | digitlman: yeah, I have been using rechargeable, but was still charging once a week--and it was annoying |
| [18:33:58] | wagnerrp: | no, that would be the AA powered laptop |
| [18:34:00] | digitlman: | try lugging that around |
| [18:34:07] | sphery: | heh |
| [18:34:49] | sphery: | I don't think you realize that after Fukushima and Nebraska, nuclear power is taboo |
| [18:34:54] | stuartm: | sphery: I use my mouse all day long and still get 6 months from the 2 AA batteries (btw, why can't there be some standardization of the Li-Ion batteries as used in laptops, phones or tablets?) |
| [18:35:01] | digitlman: | you'd need a ghostbusters-style backpack hooked to the mouse |
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| [18:35:20] | sphery: | as a matter of fact, I think it won't be long before they start extracting the nucleus of atoms from the coal they're burning in coal plants so they can say, "now 100% nucleus free" |
| [18:35:20] | stuartm: | I get 18mo from 2AA batteries in my wireless keyboard |
| [18:35:21] | wagnerrp: | nah, u233 lasts too long |
| [18:35:36] | wagnerrp: | maybe cadmium or cobolt |
| [18:35:42] | digitlman: | thorium-salt reactors...on a steek |
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| [18:39:56] | sphery: | heh, sounds thori-yummy! |
| [18:40:20] | digitlman: | indeed |
| [18:42:47] | digitlman: | these daily "fixes" for .24, are they tested well before they are released? |
| [18:43:15] | digitlman: | cuz I've just been applying them as soon as they are available |
| [18:44:29] | sphery: | yeah, they're meant to be proven fixes |
| [18:44:48] | digitlman: | ok good |
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| [18:59:38] | lapion: | sphery, you're so right, even the Germans are banning nuclear power... |
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| [19:03:34] | Beirdo: | sphery has left the building |
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| [19:04:32] | wagnerrp: | lapion: thats because politicians the world over have no backbone |
| [19:04:57] | Beirdo: | s/backbone/brains/ |
| [19:05:12] | wagnerrp: | oh, they have plenty of brains |
| [19:05:34] | ** Beirdo points the zombies at Washington, DC ** | |
| [19:05:44] | wagnerrp: | its just that those brains are telling them 'appease the reactionary voting masses, stay in power' |
| [19:06:28] | wagnerrp: | far too many politicians exist not to lead their respective countries, but to remain politicians |
| [19:06:32] | Beirdo: | hehe, true enough |
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| [19:08:11] | wagnerrp: | in which lies the problem with a republic |
| [19:12:12] | Beirdo: | blargh! |
| [19:12:37] | Beirdo: | I missed the deadline to change the contents of my fullcirclefarm delivery... by 5min |
| [19:12:40] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [19:12:49] | wagnerrp: | fullcirclefarm? |
| [19:12:51] | Beirdo: | Ah well, nothing horrible in there anyways |
| [19:13:26] | Beirdo: | yeah, a local farm that delivers produce once a week/once every other week |
| [19:14:24] | Beirdo: | a CSA-type of thing |
| [19:14:32] | wagnerrp: | 2TB hitachi for $60 |
| [19:14:32] | Beirdo: | they deliver to the office here |
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| [19:14:52] | wagnerrp: | CSA... a secessionist state? |
| [19:15:05] | Beirdo: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community-supported_agriculture |
| [19:15:28] | wagnerrp: | supported by a community of... slave labor? |
| [19:15:37] | Beirdo: | hehe, no... of consumers |
| [19:15:53] | Beirdo: | you are buying local produce with little or no middleman |
| [19:15:54] | thopiekar: | hello I've compiled MythTV and want to use the Frontend but everytime I want to use it I get the message that the QMySql driver isn't loaded and it uses SqLite instead.. |
| [19:15:57] | thopiekar: | what can i do? |
| [19:16:09] | wagnerrp: | thopiekar: that means you have a separate backend somewhere else? |
| [19:16:24] | thopiekar: | yes in my network |
| [19:16:41] | wagnerrp: | then you have not compiled mysql support into Qt |
| [19:17:59] | wagnerrp: | GT210 for $10, free shipping |
| [19:18:16] | thopiekar: | the whole story.. as you can remember from #mythtv I try to install MythTV on my Nokia N900 mobile phone.. works except of that mysql problem.. I installed the libqt4-sql-mysql package I found in my mobiles apt but no changes.. |
| [19:19:07] | wagnerrp: | not sure what to tell you, but mythtv cannot find the sql driver it needs |
| [19:19:21] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: GT210 for $10?! |
| [19:19:24] | Beirdo: | whaaa? |
| [19:19:33] | wagnerrp: | amazon, after $30 MIR |
| [19:19:37] | wagnerrp: | free shipping |
| [19:19:41] | Beirdo: | ahhh, scambate |
| [19:19:46] | Beirdo: | cool though |
| [19:20:05] | wagnerrp: | well, it just means its only $10 two months later |
| [19:20:07] | thopiekar: | wagnerrp: at least Qt can't find it.. |
| [19:21:17] | thopiekar: | is seems to be a warning message from Qt4 not really MythTV related as it seems.. but is there a console option to make qt find it at a specific dir? |
| [19:21:23] | thopiekar: | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4479551/ho . . . mysql-driver |
| [19:21:38] | thopiekar: | this page tells how but for Windows.. |
| [19:23:22] | Beirdo: | stupid google music... accept .ogg files, please |
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| [19:37:59] | lwizardl: | hi |
| [19:38:38] | thopiekar: | hi |
| [19:38:43] | lwizardl: | what would be the most compatible nvidia card for output to component video hdtv ? the 7200gs i have now seems to have display issues on my plasma tv |
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| [19:52:07] | swerve: | suddenly getting A/V sync issues |
| [19:52:26] | swerve: | video is lagging audio by about 1/3 – 1/2 second |
| [19:52:27] | wagnerrp: | suddenly start using pulseaudio? |
| [19:52:53] | swerve: | no, no pulseaudio |
| [19:53:23] | swerve: | is there a setting to compensate until i can figure out the problem? |
| [19:56:56] | swerve: | ok, found it in M |
| [19:57:25] | wagnerrp: | note, that is a single time use |
| [19:57:27] | wagnerrp: | not persistent |
| [19:59:48] | swerve: | hmm, it only seems to be happening on ESPN2 |
| [19:59:53] | swerve: | maybe it's them |
| [20:00:02] | sphery: | sounds like it's them |
| [20:00:03] | sphery: | :) |
| [20:00:51] | swerve: | *unless* it's just started on programs recorded since then |
| [20:00:57] | swerve: | will have to see |
| [20:01:17] | sphery: | well, live tv is recorded, too |
| [20:01:32] | swerve: | recording now, so can't check |
| [20:01:49] | swerve: | older recordings seem okay though |
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| [20:02:45] | sphery: | oh, I assume you mean you're recording espn2 now, and have no other tuners free |
| [20:05:43] | swerve: | right, just 1 tuner |
| [20:05:50] | swerve: | for now :D |
| [20:06:38] | swerve: | do i remember something about you don't discuss tuner cards here? |
| [20:06:41] | sphery: | wagnerrp: would [27148] have been in 0.24? if so, we're now saving the audio sync on a per-frontend basis |
| [20:06:41] | MythLogBot: | SVN 27148: (branch master) https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/9dbe19fb |
| [20:07:15] | wagnerrp: | guess not |
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| [20:08:35] | sphery: | just thought that if so, if swerve is using 0.24, he could be seeing the same offset on all channels/recordings but it looks like others aren't affected because it's saving the setting |
| [20:09:02] | sphery: | (and that would indicate that it's a systemic problem, and not MythTV causing offset) |
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| [20:41:56] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: #9859... I'd feel like saying "ummm, use 0.25pre?" :) |
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| [20:47:57] | thopiekar: | hey.. how can I fix that? http://pastebin.com/BHTq8eDT |
| [20:48:36] | thopiekar: | timezones seem to be fine |
| [20:49:14] | thopiekar: | compiled mythfrontend from git |
| [20:54:20] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: well the grabber script takes entirely too long to run |
| [20:54:58] | wagnerrp: | but since its rare for any show worth keeping to exceed 200 episodes, i just didnt have the motivation |
| [20:55:04] | Beirdo: | heh, yeah |
| [20:55:19] | Beirdo: | but that is 0.24-fixes, so our rewrite doesn't help :) |
| [20:55:23] | wagnerrp: | why you would want to store every copy of the daily show for later viewing, i havent a clue |
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| [20:55:37] | wagnerrp: | well the rewrite wouldnt help anyway |
| [20:55:43] | wagnerrp: | it would hit the timeout regardless |
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| [20:58:51] | Beirdo: | quite likely so |
| [20:59:16] | Beirdo: | but at least you wouldn't get the nasty QProcess message :) |
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| [21:07:07] | trumee: | thopiekar: are you able to play video through mythfrontend now? |
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| [21:12:09] | dekarl: | thopiekar: the time is off 13 minutes on one of the boxen? (22:46 vs 22:33) |
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| [21:37:17] | digitlman: | hey all |
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| [21:38:13] | digitlman: | I'm getting some freezing while watching live tv |
| [21:38:34] | digitlman: | I think it is when it is changing temporary files |
| [21:38:47] | digitlman: | any suggestions to smooth this out? |
| [21:40:44] | wagnerrp: | sphery: seems that setting i changed to disable the cache did not in fact disable the cache |
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| [21:41:03] | digitlman: | should I fool with the ring buffer? |
| [21:41:16] | sphery: | wagnerrp: disable a cache? |
| [21:41:22] | wagnerrp: | wiki |
| [21:41:33] | sphery: | yeah, just got there |
| [21:41:50] | sphery: | so it's still enabled and caching old edited content? |
| [21:42:01] | sphery: | that's annoying |
| [21:42:01] | wagnerrp: | seems so |
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| [21:50:34] | digitlman: | hrmm....I'm also getting random Xorg process running 100% cpu |
| [21:51:19] | digitlman: | and the log says Player(2): Timed out waiting for free video buffers. |
| [21:53:20] | digitlman: | ok, so I had to do a reset of the box |
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| [21:55:51] | wagnerrp: | sphery: im going by this, which doesnt seem to do anything... http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki_FAQ# . . . e_caching.3F |
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| [21:57:07] | sphery: | wagnerrp: so is it still disabled on the script pages? |
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| [21:57:29] | sphery: | (with that plugin thing we found?) |
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| [22:25:34] | lapion: | sphery, you there ? |
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| [22:29:08] | lapion: | has anyone had any troubles moving backwards in increments of less then 5 secs while editing files transcoded once ? |
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| [22:39:58] | sphery: | lapion: what is "troubles" |
| [22:42:05] | kormoc: | oh lordy, trouble so hard, oh lordy, trouble so hard, don't nobody know my troubles but God |
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| [22:42:22] | iamlindoro: | massa got me workinnnnn |
| [22:42:27] | iamlindoro: | workin alla timmmme |
| [22:42:33] | iamlindoro: | massa gonna set me freeee |
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| [23:37:00] | dashs: | MythMusic – does Scan for New Music only update table music_directories? |
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