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| [01:49:58] | Guest26325: | [27410] |
| [01:49:58] | MythLogBot: | SVN 27410: (branch fixes/0.24) https://github.com/MythTV/packaging/commit/7354fd2a |
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| [01:53:48] | Lothsahn: | I'm transcoding videos on Mythbuntu 10.04. It uses ffmpeg SVN-r0.5.1–4:0.5.1–1ubuntu1.1 as its backend. It's running the command: ffmpeg -threads 6 -v 1 -i <my video> -r ntsc -target dvd -b 2344k -s 352x480 -acodec ac3 -ab 192k -ac 2 -copyts -aspect 16:9 <target file> -map 0:0 -map 0:1 |
| [01:53:51] | Lothsahn: | This command is using 100% of one CPU core (108% according to top), even though I have a hex-core AMD processor. The source file is x264. Is it expected that it won't use more than one core for the encoding? Would a later version of ffmpeg use all of my CPU cores? |
| [01:54:46] | Lothsahn: | I'm using myth version .24.latest from the mythbuntu-repos |
| [01:54:53] | Lothsahn: | (.24.1.something) |
| [01:55:05] | wagnerrp: | why so poor quality? |
| [01:55:26] | Lothsahn: | I just selected burn to DVD and LP encoding profile... |
| [01:55:31] | wagnerrp: | why has your source already been transcoded once? |
| [01:56:01] | Lothsahn: | My source video is already x264 from the Hauppage HD-PVR |
| [01:56:10] | wagnerrp: | the HDPVR does not output x264 encoded video |
| [01:56:26] | Lothsahn: | Oh, I'm sorry. H.264? |
| [01:56:30] | Lothsahn: | I thought those were the same... |
| [01:56:31] | wagnerrp: | yes, h264 |
| [01:56:36] | wagnerrp: | and single sliced h264 |
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| [01:56:49] | wagnerrp: | what clockrate is that processor? |
| [01:57:42] | Lothsahn: | It's the Phenom II X6 3.3 GHZ |
| [01:57:46] | Lothsahn: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?It . . . 13-_-Product |
| [01:58:09] | wagnerrp: | youre probably running 70% on one core just to decode |
| [01:58:16] | wagnerrp: | and decoding cannot be expanded to more than one core |
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| [01:58:41] | wagnerrp: | depending on how ffmpeg is set up, scaling and encoding may be multithreaded |
| [01:58:53] | wagnerrp: | however all encoding must also be performed on a single core |
| [01:59:10] | wagnerrp: | scaling is going to be rather low requirements |
| [01:59:18] | Lothsahn: | crap. Multithreaded decode was something they just added in the latest ffmpeg? |
| [01:59:37] | Lothsahn: | What's the -threads 6 option for, then? Just scaling? |
| [01:59:50] | wagnerrp: | that resolution and bitrate mpeg2, youre likely looking at realtime or better encoding |
| [02:00:02] | wagnerrp: | youre not going to manage much better than real time decoding |
| [02:00:23] | wagnerrp: | -threads is an option passed on to the x264 encoder, which uses multiple threads for multiple slices |
| [02:00:29] | wagnerrp: | each slice can only use a single thread |
| [02:00:36] | wagnerrp: | unless youre running ffmpeg-mt |
| [02:00:42] | wagnerrp: | or a very recent version of ffmpeg |
| [02:00:51] | Lothsahn: | But my H264 is a single slice due to the HDPVR? |
| [02:00:55] | Lothsahn: | therefore, singlethread? |
| [02:01:02] | wagnerrp: | single threaded decode, correct |
| [02:01:10] | wagnerrp: | ffmpeg hasnt used subversion for some time |
| [02:01:14] | wagnerrp: | so you have a fairly old version of it |
| [02:01:27] | Lothsahn: | Yeah, it's whatever comes with mythbuntu 10.04... |
| [02:01:34] | Lothsahn: | But this is tempting enough to get me to compile from source |
| [02:02:09] | Lothsahn: | Do quite a bit of archival DVD burning, and I'd really like to use the extra cores in there |
| [02:02:21] | Lothsahn: | ffmpeg-mt would allow me to decode on multiple processors, though? |
| [02:02:23] | wagnerrp: | what for? |
| [02:02:36] | wagnerrp: | you actually intend to play it in hardware players? |
| [02:03:01] | Lothsahn: | yes--the guy whose box this is has a little DVD collection, and he likes to play them in his DVD players around his house |
| [02:03:08] | Lothsahn: | So it can't just be H264 on a DVD. |
| [02:03:10] | Lothsahn: | :( |
| [02:03:20] | Lothsahn: | Because Myth will playback the H264 just fine, of course. |
| [02:03:30] | wagnerrp: | replace the dvd players with additional frontends |
| [02:03:38] | Lothsahn: | His wife won't let him. :) |
| [02:03:46] | Lothsahn: | Trust me, the situation isn't exactly sane... |
| [02:04:13] | Lothsahn: | we could spend an hour discussing why he: a) doesn't need to burn them to DVD and b) should be using myth frontends instead |
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| [02:04:53] | Lothsahn: | He's a very nice guy with a lot of money who likes myth and just wants it to work the way he wants it. I've suggested more sane alternatives and they fall on deaf ears. :) |
| [02:05:02] | wagnerrp: | well archiving to optical media over hard drives isnt very sane anyway |
| [02:05:08] | Lothsahn: | Agreed |
| [02:05:21] | Lothsahn: | Especially when you have a 6TiB Raid array and you don't need to archive ANYWAY. |
| [02:05:44] | wagnerrp: | last time i lost a drive and had to recover from DVDs, the DVDs went in the garbage |
| [02:05:52] | wagnerrp: | its just so friggen tedious |
| [02:06:03] | Lothsahn: | I know. At least 10% of his collection doesn't work too because they go bad over time, etc, etc. |
| [02:06:17] | wagnerrp: | you can always get TVs with UPNP players, and little boxes like WDTVs |
| [02:06:30] | wagnerrp: | you dont have to have full DVD players |
| [02:06:41] | Lothsahn: | I know. :) Deaf ears... |
| [02:07:00] | wagnerrp: | s/full DVD players/full mythtv frontends/ |
| [02:07:13] | Lothsahn: | You have me fully convinced :) |
| [02:07:38] | Lothsahn: | But he does love Myth, like you wouldn't believe. |
| [02:08:06] | Lothsahn: | Okay, so you believe it would be beneficial for me (in terms of reducing DVD transcoding time) to use the latest ffmpeg |
| [02:08:14] | Lothsahn: | or the -mt branch |
| [02:08:31] | wagnerrp: | honestly, i would go for transcoding multiple simultaneously rather than using the -mt branch |
| [02:08:36] | Lothsahn: | You can do that? |
| [02:08:41] | wagnerrp: | sure, why not? |
| [02:08:44] | Lothsahn: | Myth always does one at a time... |
| [02:08:51] | wagnerrp: | are you doing this through the jobqueue? |
| [02:08:53] | wagnerrp: | or mytharchive? |
| [02:09:01] | Lothsahn: | I'm doing it through the frontend--create archive |
| [02:09:07] | wagnerrp: | mytharchive |
| [02:09:10] | Lothsahn: | Yes |
| [02:09:11] | wagnerrp: | dont know about that.... |
| [02:09:19] | wagnerrp: | never used it |
| [02:09:26] | Lothsahn: | mytharchive has you select which shows you want to burn to the DVD, the menu, etc etc |
| [02:09:38] | wagnerrp: | mytharchive could use a big rewrite |
| [02:09:38] | Lothsahn: | Then it fires off the jobs (NOT in parallel) to ffmpeg and eventually to growisofs |
| [02:10:09] | Lothsahn: | When you rewrite it, can you have it like, validate that the DVD medium is present and good BEFORE it starts a multi-hour transcode job? ;) |
| [02:10:18] | Lothsahn: | (and then fails) |
| [02:10:22] | Lothsahn: | :-P |
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| [02:13:50] | Lothsahn: | wagnerrp: well, I don't know to what extent you're involved with the development of Myth, but I really appreciate everything you (and others) have done. It truly is a fantastic product. |
| [02:14:13] | Lothsahn: | wagnerrp: and on a more personal note, thanks for the help you've given me tonight. Sorry my usecase isn't more sane :) |
| [02:14:32] | wagnerrp: | actually, what im thinking of would make mytharchive nothing more than a frontend |
| [02:14:56] | wagnerrp: | it would detail the layout of the DVD, store it in the database, and then drop back to the frontend |
| [02:15:29] | Lothsahn: | wagnerrp: then the backend would churn on the job? |
| [02:15:29] | wagnerrp: | it would fire off a jobqueue job, run on either the local jobqueue or a remote one, transcoding files and building the ISO |
| [02:16:03] | Lothsahn: | wagnerrp: For his usecase, that would speed up his burning by a factor of 4–8. |
| [02:16:05] | wagnerrp: | when finished, it would pass the ISO off to a file server running where ever you have the optical disk, and burn it, requesting blank media from the user |
| [02:16:26] | wagnerrp: | the jobqueue is currently not set up to handle such operation, but a rewrite is in the works |
| [02:16:32] | Lothsahn: | wagnerrp: Your original question of "why so poor quality". Is the LP encoding profile bad? I tried using SP, but it couldn't quite fit some 2 hour long shows. |
| [02:16:56] | wagnerrp: | 352x480@2300kbps |
| [02:16:56] | Lothsahn: | wagnerrp: Your design for mytharchive sounds like a great idea. |
| [02:17:26] | wagnerrp: | Lothsahn: the issue is that i have no use for mytharchive personally, and would not be likely to spend much time on it |
| [02:17:53] | Lothsahn: | wagnerrp: Yeah, wonder why mytharchive puts the resolution so low. Should be 720x480... at least where I am |
| [02:18:05] | wagnerrp: | the guy who does (occasionally) maintain it is in the middle of mythmusic, and im sure many people (including me) would rather see him get that finished than bother with mytharchive |
| [02:18:41] | Lothsahn: | wagnerrp: Gotcha. Well, mytharchive isn't ideal, but it does work. I have way more problems with stupid driver issues, etc, with Ubuntu than I do with mytharchive. FWIW... |
| [02:18:46] | Lothsahn: | I gotta run for 15, but I'll be back |
| [02:19:41] | wagnerrp: | anyway, the jobqueue rewrite is intended to allow for all sorts of uses like this |
| [02:20:07] | wagnerrp: | but... it would require rewrites of several other subsystems for them to make proper use of it |
| [02:20:18] | wagnerrp: | stuff like dvd ripping and encoding is a prime example |
| [02:20:53] | wagnerrp: | the (now removed) dvd ripping used its own job daemon, and mytharchive simply doesnt use anything |
| [02:22:03] | wagnerrp: | right now, they access the disks directly, while ideally they would access stuff remotely through a shared file server, implemented as a very stripped down backend |
| [02:22:10] | wagnerrp: | that part is actually committed |
| [02:24:13] | Beirdo: | hey, Boston... suck it. |
| [02:24:16] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [02:24:28] | Beirdo: | I wanted Vancouver to win |
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| [02:25:01] | Beirdo: | 3–0 with 11:30ish to go in the third |
| [02:27:29] | cerise8192: | It's all about the goaltending. |
| [02:27:56] | ** wagnerrp doesnt know how you can goaltend in baseball ** | |
| [02:28:34] | cerise8192: | wagnerrp: That's because you don't watch the Winter Classic. 8) |
| [02:28:51] | wagnerrp: | who plays baseball in the winter? |
| [02:29:07] | cerise8192: | (in which an NHL hockey game is played in an outdoor arena. Usually a baseball field.) |
| [02:30:51] | Beirdo: | come on, Canucks... at least don't get shut out |
| [02:31:13] | cerise8192: | If they were facing any other goalie, I'd be right there with you. |
| [02:31:41] | cerise8192: | But if any goalie deserves a shutout in game 7 of the finals, it's gotta be Tim Thomas. |
| [02:31:46] | Beirdo: | pfft |
| [02:31:53] | Beirdo: | nobody deserves one |
| [02:31:57] | Beirdo: | they have to earn it |
| [02:32:41] | Beirdo: | put the frickin puck... in the frickin net :) |
| [02:33:11] | wagnerrp: | oh, you are talking hockey |
| [02:33:20] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [02:33:35] | Beirdo: | yes, game 7 of the stanley cup finals... NBC |
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| [02:34:46] | Beirdo: | I dare say Thomas is doing a great job |
| [02:35:22] | cerise8192: | He hasn't had to be awesome this game, but over the course of the last two years, the guy's been on fire. |
| [02:35:53] | cerise8192: | It's like he got Dominik Hasek to tell him all of his secrets. |
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| [02:41:13] | Beirdo: | empty net... bah |
| [02:41:34] | Beirdo: | I think I hear the fat lady warming up |
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| [02:48:54] | Beirdo: | ah well. |
| [02:49:06] | Beirdo: | they played well |
| [02:49:51] | Lothsahn: | wagnerrp: Ah. Interesting to know how it's all implemented. Sounds like my stuff at work. You've got the old code everyone hates that you want to rewrite, but there's never time :) |
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| [02:55:09] | wagnerrp: | Lothsahn: its not that we hate the old code |
| [02:55:30] | wagnerrp: | its more that all these components were written half a decade ago, before there were any plans to make them more integrated |
| [02:55:59] | Beirdo: | and now they need rework/rethinking to move forward |
| [03:02:21] | Lothsahn: | Gotcha |
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| [11:17:49] | stuartm: | how are remotes supposed to be configured with the more recent kernels which feature 'native' remote support? Is there a lirc wrapper? |
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| [11:21:19] | stuartm: | ah, nevermind |
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| [13:37:57] | digitlman: | how can I change the user/pass that mythfilldatabse uses to update the mythconverg db? |
| [13:38:39] | digitlman: | to fix: |
| [13:38:40] | digitlman: | 2011-06–16 09:38:20.668 Connected to database 'mythconverg' at host: localhost *ERROR* Username not specified. Please run --configure |
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| [13:55:20] | tob_: | digitlman: check the contents of your ~/.mythtv dir |
| [13:55:50] | tob_: | I think there is a config.xml and a mysql.txt both contain mysql connection information... |
| [13:58:51] | digitlman: | yeah...I changed the pw in there on both...did a sudo dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-database |
| [13:59:09] | digitlman: | rebooting...we shall see |
| [14:00:24] | digitlman: | nope |
| [14:01:59] | iamlindoro: | The second half of that line isn't about myth, it's about the XMLTV script you're trying to use |
| [14:02:09] | iamlindoro: | It's saying you haven't properly configured your XMLTV script, basically |
| [14:08:42] | digitlman: | ahh ok |
| [14:08:45] | digitlman: | lemme do that again |
| [14:09:06] | digitlman: | what raw file is that? |
| [14:10:18] | digitlman: | is that the config.xml? |
| [14:10:37] | iamlindoro: | No, config.xml is a myth file |
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| [14:10:45] | digitlman: | ok |
| [14:10:52] | digitlman: | I will run the setup again |
| [14:11:02] | iamlindoro: | Everything after the word "localhost" in the log line above is from your grabber rather than from Myth |
| [14:11:38] | digitlman: | ok |
| [14:11:49] | digitlman: | I did that but I will again |
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| [14:12:54] | digitlman: | I just signed up for the schedules direct |
| [14:13:00] | digitlman: | musta screw up un/pass |
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| [14:15:43] | digitlman: | same error....is there another way to change username/pass? Or is it stored in mysql? |
| [14:16:46] | iamlindoro: | That string is not from mythtv |
| [14:17:18] | wagnerrp: | meaning, if you cant figure it out on your own, you need help from the xmltv people |
| [14:17:27] | iamlindoro: | At a guess, I would say that you set up an XMLTV source taht you have left orphaned |
| [14:17:28] | digitlman: | ahh ok |
| [14:17:52] | wagnerrp: | however, you appear to be on roadrunner |
| [14:17:58] | wagnerrp: | meaning you are a US user? |
| [14:18:06] | digitlman: | yes |
| [14:18:14] | wagnerrp: | why are you using xmltv grabbers? |
| [14:18:22] | iamlindoro: | But before getting schedules direct, you tried other methods of getting listings, yes? |
| [14:18:25] | digitlman: | I tried EIT and didn't get anything |
| [14:18:39] | iamlindoro: | And now you've left those video sources orphaned and improperly configured |
| [14:19:00] | iamlindoro: | So mythfilldatabase isn't even getting as far as trying your schedules direct account, you need to clear out the old just first |
| [14:19:05] | iamlindoro: | er old junk |
| [14:19:30] | digitlman: | should I drop and re-create that table? |
| [14:19:36] | wagnerrp: | no |
| [14:19:40] | iamlindoro: | No, you should remove the video sources properly, form the UI |
| [14:20:13] | digitlman: | ok |
| [14:20:14] | iamlindoro: | You have configured a video source in mythtv-setup which is set up to use xmltv. It needs to be removed or adjusted to use the correct grabber |
| [14:21:22] | digitlman: | removing and readding |
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| [14:25:12] | digitlman: | bingo |
| [14:25:16] | digitlman: | thanks guys |
| [14:25:22] | iamlindoro: | np |
| [14:28:11] | digitlman: | FYI – the HVR-2250 doesn't work out of the box on 11.04...especially if you've updated the kernel |
| [14:28:22] | digitlman: | you have to go and get some firmware for it |
| [14:28:29] | digitlman: | that tooks ome digging |
| [14:29:05] | iamlindoro: | Many/Most non-framegrabber cards require that you get the firmware |
| [14:29:16] | digitlman: | ahh i see |
| [14:30:07] | iamlindoro: | Sometimes the manufacturers will consent to their firmware being bundled/redistributed so it can be made a little easier, but a card is usually a few years old before that happens, if ever |
| [14:30:59] | iamlindoro: | That is to say, a lot of distros have a v4l firmware package that contains the redistributable firmwares, but in a lot of cases you've still got to go hunt it down yourself |
| [14:31:23] | iamlindoro: | FWIW if the firmware location for the 2250 isn't on the linuxtv wiki page for it, you could add it and that would be helpful |
| [14:31:31] | digitlman: | wasn't too bad since I have The Googles to find the answers |
| [14:31:31] | iamlindoro: | !url tuners |
| [14:31:31] | MythLogBot: | tuners: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hardwar . . . _Information |
| [14:31:57] | iamlindoro: | Ah, looks like it's already there |
| [14:31:58] | iamlindoro: | http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppau . . . 250#Firmware |
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| [14:32:29] | iamlindoro: | yeah, the linuxtv wiki is the go-to place when you install or configure a v4l device... Not that everyone is aware of it, but that's the theory, anyway |
| [14:32:36] | digitlman: | yep thats the one |
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| [14:42:25] | digitlman: | libdvdread: Could not open /dev/dvd |
| [14:42:33] | digitlman: | I have the libdvdcss2 installed |
| [14:42:56] | digitlman: | should I install the mediabuntu apps? |
| [14:43:11] | iamlindoro: | I can't answer anything from a single line of log |
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| [14:43:30] | iamlindoro: | You need to tell us what you're trying to do, and pastebin the entire log |
| [14:43:35] | digitlman: | libdvdnav: Using dvdnav version svnR1215 libdvdread: Using libdvdcss version 1.2.10 for DVD access libdvdread: Can't stat /dev/dvd No such file or directory libdvdread: Could not open /dev/dvd libdvdnav: vm: failed to open/read the DVD 2011-06–16 10:38:55.868 Failed to open DVD device at /dev/dvd |
| [14:43:42] | iamlindoro: | No, not to channel, GRRR |
| [14:43:43] | digitlman: | trying to play a dvd in myth |
| [14:44:28] | iamlindoro: | "Can't stat /dev/dvd No such file or directory" means you have configured your DVD device node as /dev/dvd (or left it default) and on your system, there's no such thing |
| [14:44:45] | iamlindoro: | So you need to point the DVD device setting at the correct one for your system |
| [14:45:08] | iamlindoro: | Utilities/Setup->Setup->Media Settings->Video Settings->Player Settings, put the correct dev node in the relevant field |
| [14:45:50] | iamlindoro: | And really, you should probably be at least trying to look these things up on the wiki before looking for one on one support |
| [14:46:00] | iamlindoro: | Since this is all basic configuration stuff |
| [14:46:36] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: is there any special behavior in the mediamonitor for discs with plain videos in it? |
| [14:46:53] | digitlman: | thanks |
| [14:46:58] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: I don't believe so, mediamonitor is less capable that most people give it credit for |
| [14:47:06] | iamlindoro: | I has promise, but doesn't deliver on much |
| [14:47:07] | wagnerrp: | yeah, didnt think so |
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| [14:53:32] | sphery: | heh, the pink unicorn made a brief appearance at github |
| [14:53:47] | wagnerrp: | pink unicorn? |
| [14:55:02] | sphery: | what you get when it's not working |
| [14:55:08] | sphery: | 500 errors or whatever |
| [14:55:38] | iamlindoro: | FAILICORN! |
| [14:55:39] | sphery: | It's gone now... I just caught it with my first attempt to hit it, today--but it was working fine seconds later |
| [14:55:48] | wagnerrp: | i thought that gave you some star wars thing |
| [14:56:03] | sphery: | that's a 404 |
| [14:57:24] | sphery: | wagnerrp: http://www.flickr.com/photos/robhudson/4058660340/ |
| [15:00:40] | wagnerrp: | i dont know, it just doesnt have the same ring as fail whale |
| [15:00:49] | digitlman: | not as cool as a moonshark |
| [15:02:13] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: #9853 You remember what the new replacement would be? |
| [15:03:12] | sphery: | Beirdo: it was supposed to be removed because we're supposed to rely on xmltv capabilities to specify what should be used |
| [15:03:21] | sphery: | think that was stuartm's plan for it |
| [15:03:31] | wagnerrp: | yeah, ill go with that |
| [15:04:07] | sphery: | might want to check with stuartm to see if that's sensible |
| [15:04:31] | sphery: | it looks like I was thinking of the mythfillperiod stuff when I remembered him wanting to take out a setting |
| [15:06:23] | Beirdo: | K. Just bringing it to the collective attention, I likely can't do too much about it today. I'll be in a day-long tutorial on Linux Performance Tuning |
| [15:07:18] | Beirdo: | oh nice. jya's commit broke the buildbot, it seems |
| [15:07:41] | jya: | how so ? |
| [15:08:15] | jya: | I'm only really touching the mac code, shouldn't even modify any compilation of linux |
| [15:08:56] | wagnerrp: | it would seem we still do acceeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeept graboptions |
| [15:09:22] | sphery: | wagnerrp: your keyboard really likes to make sure you're heard :) |
| [15:09:51] | Beirdo: | jya: http://code.mythtv.org/buildbot/builders/mast . . . /builds/1381 |
| [15:10:02] | wagnerrp: | sphery: nah, its my X server |
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| [15:11:06] | Beirdo: | you renamed GetALSADevices to GetDevices, it seems, but the Linux code is still using GetALSADevices |
| [15:11:40] | jya: | yeah.. fixed. |
| [15:11:58] | jya: | bot is fast .. |
| [15:13:04] | wagnerrp: | anyone else having trouble logging into trac? |
| [15:13:20] | jya: | The people on the apple coreaudio list is absolutely hopeless |
| [15:13:32] | jya: | all I read are people with problems, never read any answers.. |
| [15:13:43] | jya: | seems that the flow stopped about 3 years ago |
| [15:13:49] | jya: | of answers that is |
| [15:13:54] | wagnerrp: | nevermind, got it |
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| [15:14:09] | jya: | summarise my experience with Apple Server forums too... |
| [15:15:02] | jya: | I'm just back to a machine with a hard disk, after over one year on full SSD : the thing bothering me the most is the noise it makes |
| [15:15:10] | Beirdo: | heh. |
| [15:15:22] | Beirdo: | don't forget to push the fix :) |
| [15:15:37] | jya: | Beirdo: I'm recompiling now to make sure |
| [15:15:40] | Beirdo: | I'd better get headed downstairs... |
| [15:15:43] | Beirdo: | ahhh :) |
| [15:15:51] | Beirdo: | always a good plan |
| [15:15:58] | jya: | doesn't built though |
| [15:15:59] | jya: | ../libmythui/mythuitype.h:137: error: ‘MythMediaEvent’ has not been declared |
| [15:16:07] | Beirdo: | 45min until the tutorial starts |
| [15:16:21] | Beirdo: | you may want to do a make distclean |
| [15:16:32] | jya: | I did... |
| [15:16:41] | jya: | I remember reading about deleting the installation too |
| [15:16:50] | jya: | is this really necessary? |
| [15:17:41] | Beirdo: | yes, at times it is |
| [15:18:07] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: im guessing the guy just looked at --help, and didnt find his option |
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| [15:18:31] | Beirdo: | qmake ends up putting the installation dir into the include path, I think is the issue |
| [15:18:51] | jya: | well, I deleted my whole install folder, distclean a dozen time, I still can't compile with the same mythui error |
| [15:19:34] | jya: | maybe it's a ccache issue |
| [15:19:42] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: freebsd still builds fine... :) |
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| [15:20:17] | Beirdo: | so it seems |
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| [15:20:27] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: It sounds like what he's saying is that the secondary option passed to graboptions isn't working |
| [15:20:30] | iamlindoro: | ie, the argument |
| [15:20:34] | iamlindoro: | --graboptions 'foo' |
| [15:21:21] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: right, thats what im looking for confirmation about |
| [15:21:27] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: you may wanna claim the ticket, no need to have stuartm worry about it :) |
| [15:21:37] | wagnerrp: | since looking at the code, it appears to still be hooked up properly |
| [15:22:20] | Beirdo: | if it's borked, it'll get fixed |
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| [15:23:02] | Beirdo: | OK, now I gotta go :) |
| [15:23:23] | Beirdo: | Housekeeping banging at the door, and I'm eating into coffee-gathering time |
| [15:23:31] | Beirdo: | be back in a bit |
| [15:24:20] | jya: | did anyone change the casing of some names lately? |
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| [15:28:53] | sphery: | jya: markk did |
| [15:29:25] | jya: | it has borked the ability to switch between master and fixes/0.24 on my mac.. |
| [15:29:39] | sphery: | https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/305ef56ba |
| [15:30:23] | jya: | well, at least that's what I think the problem is |
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| [15:30:40] | sphery: | those names should all be internal to the libs, though |
| [15:30:57] | sphery: | I can't imagine you're using master libs with 0.24-fixes binaries or similar... |
| [15:31:30] | sphery: | I'd think only changes to protocol would cause problems, right? |
| [15:31:31] | jya: | sphery: no, no... I mean the name of the files themselves |
| [15:31:40] | sphery: | ahhh... that I dont know about |
| [15:31:41] | jya: | like authors -> AUTHORS |
| [15:31:45] | jya: | that kind of stuff |
| [15:32:02] | sphery: | yeah, this is in relation to your comment about git not allowing you to switch |
| [15:32:19] | sphery: | I was thinking there was a git command to "clean" your checkout, kind of like svn clean |
| [15:32:21] | jya: | when I try to do a git checkout from master to fixes/0.24 it fails telling me that my checkout would override non tracked files |
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| [15:32:45] | jya: | I can do a --force |
| [15:33:01] | jya: | but the more annoying thing is that it as broken the ability to d cherry-pick |
| [15:33:16] | jya: | it seems to have stopped tracking name change now |
| [15:33:39] | sphery: | it definitely does sound like a broken repo |
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| [15:33:49] | sphery: | you are using git 1.7+, right? |
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| [15:34:03] | jya: | yes |
| [15:34:24] | jya: | for the time being, what I've done is create a disk image with a case sensitive HFS+ file system |
| [15:34:28] | jya: | and I'm working on that |
| [15:34:33] | jya: | but that's very annoying |
| [15:37:03] | Beirdo: | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/52950/how- . . . nges-in-case |
| [15:37:20] | Beirdo: | nothing a little google can't fix for ya |
| [15:39:07] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: looks like its a problem in the parsing routine |
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| [15:40:05] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: oh? |
| [15:40:21] | Beirdo: | OK, well, that's odd, we have other strings that work |
| [15:40:44] | wagnerrp: | because hes passing '--daily' as the string |
| [15:40:51] | Beirdo: | ooooh |
| [15:40:56] | Beirdo: | hahah |
| [15:40:57] | Beirdo: | right |
| [15:40:58] | wagnerrp: | its picking up --daily as a new argument |
| [15:41:06] | wagnerrp: | rather than as a string |
| [15:41:12] | Beirdo: | as it should be |
| [15:41:24] | wagnerrp: | well he has it in quotes |
| [15:41:29] | Beirdo: | we wouldn't be the only parser to do that |
| [15:41:40] | wagnerrp: | so it should recognize that and process it as a string |
| [15:41:42] | Beirdo: | quotes mean nothing to the parser, they are for the shell |
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| [15:41:59] | Beirdo: | they are gone by the time we see it |
| [15:42:02] | jya: | wagnerrp: quotes or no quotes, the program getting the argument would see no difference |
| [15:42:21] | Beirdo: | now if it were \" then we'd see a " |
| [15:42:48] | wagnerrp: | so thats a more troubling problem... |
| [15:42:52] | Beirdo: | we should just make it work as daily |
| [15:42:56] | Beirdo: | not --daily |
| [15:43:00] | jya: | Something I love about rm on linux .. when you're trying to delete a file with start with — , it even gives you the argument on how to do it |
| [15:43:14] | Beirdo: | that's easy :) |
| [15:43:20] | Beirdo: | rm ./--blah |
| [15:43:21] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [15:43:33] | sphery: | the way most apps do it is you specify args, then you specify — to say, "stop processing args here", so following — does it |
| [15:43:34] | Beirdo: | that BTW, is a common interview question |
| [15:43:34] | jya: | sure is, but I always forget |
| [15:43:38] | sphery: | so, rm — --blah |
| [15:43:59] | Beirdo: | easier to use ./ :) |
| [15:44:08] | Beirdo: | as not all rm honor -- |
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| [15:44:20] | Beirdo: | (think AIX, HPUX, Solaris, etc) |
| [15:44:20] | wagnerrp: | actually no, i like sphery's method |
| [15:44:29] | sphery: | yeah, but not really useful for: ./--daily :) |
| [15:44:42] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: I don't |
| [15:44:55] | Beirdo: | why does it need to be --daily instead of daily? |
| [15:45:13] | iamlindoro: | because the script it's passing the argument to requires --daily |
| [15:45:22] | sphery: | because mythfilldatabase is accepting a list of arguments to pass to xmltv grabber tv_grab_* |
| [15:45:25] | Beirdo: | hmmm |
| [15:45:28] | Beirdo: | OK |
| [15:45:31] | sphery: | and we can't just put — on everything |
| [15:45:37] | Beirdo: | yeah, right (lack of coffee) |
| [15:45:48] | Beirdo: | so that's a bunch of xmltv options? |
| [15:45:52] | sphery: | --days 3, couldn't be days 3 or we could have --days --3 |
| [15:45:56] | Beirdo: | then the — makes sense |
| [15:46:10] | sphery: | or --days 3 --full, becomes really confusing :) |
| [15:46:20] | sphery: | (I'm making up args, but... :) |
| [15:47:06] | wagnerrp: | the previous parser specifically understood that argument would get an option |
| [15:47:22] | wagnerrp: | but in the new one, since the parser is detached from the options |
| [15:47:29] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [15:47:38] | Beirdo: | does it take one option exactly? |
| [15:47:51] | wagnerrp: | does what? |
| [15:47:56] | sphery: | --graboptions needs to take a list of any number of options |
| [15:48:02] | Beirdo: | I still think — is sensible |
| [15:48:12] | sphery: | if using the — approach, it has to be the final arg |
| [15:48:14] | wagnerrp: | previously it would take a string |
| [15:48:16] | Beirdo: | yeah. |
| [15:48:24] | Beirdo: | so one option |
| [15:48:28] | wagnerrp: | quoted or escaped so the shell passed it as a single argument |
| [15:48:34] | Beirdo: | if in "" then it's still one option |
| [15:49:26] | wagnerrp: | but since that option starts with --, the parser recognizes it as a new option, rather than a string to the previous |
| [15:49:38] | Beirdo: | right |
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| [15:49:53] | Beirdo: | this will take some magic one way or another, won't it? |
| [15:49:58] | sphery: | yeah |
| [15:50:37] | wagnerrp: | well i just add another response to the parser, so a bare '--' sets a flag that the rest of the data should be passed through as a big string |
| [15:50:47] | Beirdo: | of course that's one subset that we didn't test, being non-xmltv users |
| [15:51:06] | wagnerrp: | remove the --graboptions all together |
| [15:51:09] | sphery: | not sure what's best... remove --graboptions and whatever "leftover" command line we have after parsing mfdb options are passed to tv_grab_* (so, if the user needs --daily, they go mythfilldatabase — --daily) |
| [15:51:14] | wagnerrp: | and any options you want to pass directly, you do after the -- |
| [15:51:23] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [15:51:27] | Beirdo: | sounds like a plan |
| [15:51:34] | sphery: | or just require --graboptions to be final arg and whatever follows it is passed to tv_grab_* |
| [15:51:50] | Beirdo: | you could (if ya wanted) make --graboptions do the exact same thing as -- |
| [15:52:01] | sphery: | and, yeah, that makes sense |
| [15:52:23] | sphery: | only change to previous, that way, is that it requires --graboptions last |
| [15:52:24] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: no, since that would require special handling |
| [15:52:35] | wagnerrp: | while '--' makes it a general use |
| [15:52:40] | iamlindoro: | Not that passing command line arguments is particularly easy to begin with, but I'm not crazy about the "this argument must be last" approach |
| [15:52:41] | Beirdo: | OK. |
| [15:52:54] | iamlindoro: | It invariably will cause confusion |
| [15:53:26] | Beirdo: | well, I don't think there's any easy solution to this |
| [15:53:41] | sphery: | previously --graboptions took the next arg, regardless of what it was |
| [15:53:48] | Beirdo: | I'm fine with wagnerrp's proposal |
| [15:53:52] | sphery: | and the rest of the arg-parsing wouldn't even look at it |
| [15:54:01] | wagnerrp: | s/wagnerrp's/sphery's/ |
| [15:54:21] | sphery: | so unless there's some generic way to do that... |
| [15:54:24] | wagnerrp: | yeah, thats the difference |
| [15:54:27] | iamlindoro: | If you require that options move around, we're going to have a healthy proportion of our users with broken setups when they upgrade |
| [15:54:37] | sphery: | could db update it |
| [15:54:38] | Beirdo: | yeah, but now the parser's done differently... |
| [15:55:05] | Beirdo: | iamlindoro: agreed. Hmmm. |
| [15:55:18] | ** Beirdo sips more coffee ** | |
| [15:55:44] | wagnerrp: | previously, option handling had direct access to the command line data, where as now there is a generic parser that does all handing with no knowledge of the options |
| [15:57:15] | sphery: | it wouldn't be too difficult to do a db update that rearranges MythFillDatabaseArgs so --graboptions is the last one |
| [15:57:17] | wagnerrp: | if an empty string is passed, current behavior is to use the default string |
| [15:57:22] | sphery: | (or changes it to — and puts it last) |
| [15:57:31] | wagnerrp: | sphery: yes it would |
| [15:57:45] | wagnerrp: | who's to say these people are even letting mythbackend do it |
| [15:57:50] | wagnerrp: | they could be running mfd as a cron job |
| [15:57:58] | sphery: | well, we can't fix what's outside mythtv |
| [15:58:03] | Beirdo: | then it's their problem |
| [15:58:06] | sphery: | exactly |
| [16:00:06] | wagnerrp: | there is a flag you can pass into the parser to allow unhandled arguments to pass through into a qvariantmap |
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| [16:00:32] | sphery: | pink unicorn is back |
| [16:00:38] | wagnerrp: | so rather than failing with a strange '--daily is not a valid argument' |
| [16:00:47] | wagnerrp: | we could detect that users are passing funky options |
| [16:01:01] | wagnerrp: | and return an error that they need to use the new --graboptions format |
| [16:01:21] | wagnerrp: | it would still be broken, but would at least explain how to fix things |
| [16:01:34] | sphery: | I hate how github doesn't say what branch a particular commit is on |
| [16:01:51] | sphery: | guess I need to carry around a copy of the mythtv repo + git tools at all times |
| [16:04:26] | Beirdo: | sphery: yeah, well, technically, it's hard to do that |
| [16:04:44] | Beirdo: | as after a merge, a single commit can be on multiple branches |
| [16:04:53] | Beirdo: | but yeah, it's annoying |
| [16:04:58] | sphery: | wouldn't it just be running git branch <committish> to find out? |
| [16:05:25] | Beirdo: | doubt it |
| [16:05:31] | sphery: | ok, might need a --contains |
| [16:05:55] | Beirdo: | in a tree structure, that could possibly give more than one answer |
| [16:06:29] | sphery: | yeah, well, I'd love to know that a particular commit is on both fixes/0.24 and master |
| [16:06:36] | sphery: | that's actually exactly what I'm trying to figure out |
| [16:06:37] | Beirdo: | but there are ways |
| [16:07:08] | Beirdo: | ooooh, Linux Performance Tuning :) |
| [16:07:10] | sphery: | as far as user support goes, the important thing isn't what changes were made to fix a bug |
| [16:07:22] | sphery: | but, "is the user running a version that contains the bug fix" |
| [16:07:31] | Beirdo: | correct |
| [16:07:33] | sphery: | which github makes it /very/ difficult to determine |
| [16:08:07] | sphery: | once I find the fix, I have to then open the files from the branch they're running, then see if those changes are there |
| [16:08:14] | Beirdo: | yeah, you really need to have a cloned repo, their tools don't help much on that |
| [16:08:23] | sphery: | yeah |
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| [16:09:05] | Beirdo: | a search for sha1 in the network graph view would help significantly |
| [16:09:06] | sphery: | anyway, just complaining to vent... thanks for listening :) |
| [16:09:13] | sphery: | that would be nice |
| [16:09:30] | sphery: | as scrolling and pointing to each dot isn't very easy |
| [16:09:41] | Beirdo: | I like the look of the graph, but it needs a bit more functionality added |
| [16:11:49] | sphery: | yeah... and have I mentioned how much I hate their keyboard shortcuts |
| [16:11:54] | sphery: | that break my find in page functionality? |
| [16:12:03] | sphery: | :) |
| [16:12:27] | sphery: | A browser should work like a browser, regardless of what site I'm viewing |
| [16:12:52] | Beirdo: | you could complain to them :) |
| [16:14:53] | sphery: | heh, I did--they moderated out my post |
| [16:15:45] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [16:15:51] | Beirdo: | buggers |
| [16:16:01] | sphery: | I gave specific references to several other threads where people explained why the shortcuts were causing problems, quoted specific settings in Firefox that will cause problems with it, and requested a simple option to disable it on a per-user/account basis, but they didn't even let the post go through to the forum |
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| [16:16:22] | sphery: | "let's just add an option" ;) |
| [16:16:30] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [16:16:34] | Beirdo: | how ironic |
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| [16:17:28] | sphery: | well, they made it clear there's no way they would remove them completely :) |
| [16:25:49] | sphery: | Beirdo: somehow inode you were going to say that |
| [16:30:25] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [16:31:24] | Beirdo: | mhhh |
| [16:31:27] | Beirdo: | hmmm even |
| [16:31:36] | Beirdo: | come on, powerbook, let me log in ;) |
| [16:32:37] | Beirdo: | asked for my password, and then it's just sitting |
| [16:33:16] | Beirdo: | betcha it's having DNS issues |
| [16:33:35] | Beirdo: | there it goes |
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| [16:50:07] | Beirdo: | so the guy giving this tutorial... Theodore Ts'o (working at Google... also one of the primary authors of ext4) |
| [16:50:27] | Beirdo: | and maintainer of ext3 |
| [16:50:42] | Beirdo: | so this dude knows what he's talking about on the filesystems :) |
| [16:51:21] | sphery: | yeah, and one of the main e2fsprogs guys, too |
| [16:51:34] | Beirdo: | yup |
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| [16:52:11] | sphery: | http://e2fsprogs.sourceforge.net/ even links to his page (though the link is dead...) |
| [16:53:00] | Beirdo: | do we use fsync in the backend? |
| [16:53:50] | sphery: | yeah, in TFW, but I think danielk is rethinking some of it |
| [16:54:17] | Beirdo: | K. He's talking about use of barrier=1 (default in ext4, NOT default in ext3) |
| [16:54:40] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: you know anything about XMLTV from the schedules direct stuff? |
| [16:54:52] | sphery: | Beirdo: yeah, tralph was chasing ghosts caused by use of barrier=1 in ext4 |
| [16:55:22] | Beirdo: | barrier=1 is a good thing, but it slows you down significantly if using fsync |
| [16:55:26] | sphery: | Beirdo: https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/blob/master/ . . . ter.cpp#L282 (only usage we have, now) |
| [16:56:24] | Beirdo: | gotcha |
| [16:57:00] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, what about it? |
| [16:57:26] | wagnerrp: | you have any opinion on the --graboptions argument to mythfilldatabase |
| [16:57:52] | wagnerrp: | specifically, should it even exist, as opposed to using the options stored in the database |
| [16:58:40] | sphery: | options stored in the db? |
| [16:58:52] | sphery: | do we store options for the xmltv grabber? |
| [16:58:58] | wagnerrp: | arent xmltv options stored in the database? |
| [16:59:21] | sphery: | xmltvgrabber is stored in videosource |
| [16:59:24] | wagnerrp: | i mean, i figure we have an edit box where the users specify the command line to run, right? |
| [16:59:36] | sphery: | there's mythfilldatabase arguments setting |
| [16:59:46] | sphery: | which is args for mfdb, but not for tv_grab_* |
| [16:59:56] | sphery: | I think videosource.xmltvgrabber is just the binary name |
| [17:00:11] | sphery: | and we add to that options, as required, based on capabilities support |
| [17:00:22] | sphery: | (I think... but stuartm would know better) |
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| [17:10:02] | sphery: | wagnerrp: actually, \--my-file.mpg would have the \ escape eaten by the shell |
| [17:16:47] | wagnerrp: | if it eats the escape, how do you get files that start with — to work? |
| [17:18:22] | Beirdo: | why do we need to? |
| [17:18:41] | Beirdo: | that's complexity for the sake of stupidity |
| [17:19:02] | Beirdo: | rm, cp, mv, etc... can't handle files starting with -- |
| [17:19:08] | Beirdo: | why the heck should we? |
| [17:19:09] | wagnerrp: | i agree that no one should want to have a filename start with -- |
| [17:19:24] | Beirdo: | if they want it, too bad, I say |
| [17:19:52] | wagnerrp: | although i think some form of the '-- --literal-options' would be useful |
| [17:19:58] | wagnerrp: | even if we just drop --graboptions all together |
| [17:20:05] | Beirdo: | it's like the dude that goes to the doctor with "it hurts when I do this" |
| [17:20:07] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [17:20:26] | Beirdo: | having pass-thru arguments for xmltv is fine |
| [17:20:26] | sphery: | wagnerrp: you use --, so, rm — --myfile.mpg |
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| [17:20:29] | pak0o: | hu all people |
| [17:20:48] | pak0o: | who know the channel of vdr users? |
| [17:20:51] | Beirdo: | but worrying about filenames starting with — for stuff like logfiles... just a waste |
| [17:20:58] | wagnerrp: | #vdr? |
| [17:20:59] | sphery: | wagnerrp: or you can use ??myfile.mpg or ./--myfile.mpg or ... |
| [17:21:06] | sphery: | Beirdo: agreed |
| [17:21:16] | pak0o: | no one is at vdr channel |
| [17:21:20] | Beirdo: | yeah, you can always do ./--file.name |
| [17:21:28] | wagnerrp: | well this isnt the vdr channel either |
| [17:21:30] | Beirdo: | pak0o: not our problem :) |
| [17:21:36] | pak0o: | lol |
| [17:21:47] | sphery: | (well, ??mythfile.mpg won't work for mythtv, but ./--myfile.mpg would) |
| [17:22:03] | sphery: | but ??myfile.mpg would work for rm |
| [17:22:08] | pak0o: | i want to ask why with vdr i cant find hd channels and with mythtv find all the hd channels |
| [17:22:29] | sphery: | and would also delete abmyfile.mpg :) |
| [17:22:30] | wagnerrp: | i didnt think VDR found anything |
| [17:22:39] | wagnerrp: | i thought it used the external 'scan' and a channels.conf |
| [17:22:50] | Beirdo: | actually ??blah.mpg would get expanded by the shell |
| [17:23:09] | Beirdo: | so it would still hand in --blah.mpg |
| [17:23:10] | sphery: | pak0o: sounds like a good reason to switch to mythtv :) |
| [17:23:42] | pak0o: | yes |
| [17:23:45] | sphery: | ah, yeah, ??myfile.mpg won't work in rm, either |
| [17:23:57] | Beirdo: | it might with "" around it |
| [17:24:00] | Beirdo: | or '' |
| [17:24:09] | pak0o: | i stay alot of years using xbmc |
| [17:24:20] | Beirdo: | but not sure if rm will accept wildcards internally |
| [17:24:20] | sphery: | no, with quotes, it looks for a file called ??myfile.mpg |
| [17:24:26] | sphery: | nope |
| [17:24:34] | Beirdo: | right |
| [17:24:37] | Beirdo: | makes sense |
| [17:24:40] | sphery: | yeah |
| [17:24:49] | Beirdo: | the expansion is done by the shell |
| [17:25:02] | sphery: | yeah |
| [17:25:06] | Beirdo: | unless you implement it internally, which really isn't worth it |
| [17:25:36] | sphery: | yeah--since the shell will do it, why waste the time/effort/space/... in your code |
| [17:26:15] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [17:26:22] | sphery: | dry :) |
| [17:26:48] | pak0o: | i have another problem with mythtv alot of time |
| [17:27:30] | pak0o: | first one, when i`m wathing one channel and is about to start to record another program, he askme to jump to the recording or stop to watch tv, when i have two tunners.. |
| [17:27:55] | wagnerrp: | did you configure both tuners individually? |
| [17:28:00] | pak0o: | and if i`m wacthing one channel, and record another, this two on the same multiplex, i have the poor signal problem |
| [17:28:07] | pak0o: | yes wagnerrp |
| [17:28:15] | pak0o: | i have set up the two tunners |
| [17:28:19] | pak0o: | is a nova-t500 |
| [17:28:24] | wagnerrp: | did you configure them to use the same video source, so mythtv knows they are the same channels? |
| [17:28:29] | Beirdo: | break time. |
| [17:28:41] | pak0o: | yes wagnerrp , same video source for both |
| [17:28:51] | pak0o: | apologize about my english |
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| [17:30:47] | sphery: | pak0o: because mythtv always records with the best tuner, and since you've configured Live TV to use the best tuner, mythtv needs you to move to a different tuner |
| [17:31:22] | pak0o: | hmm |
| [17:31:39] | pak0o: | then... i have to select on my recordings, to use the free tuner? |
| [17:31:47] | sphery: | pak0o: you can set "Avoid conflicts between Live TV and scheduled shows", and then MythTV choose which tuner to use for Live TV in the opposite order it chooses tuners for recordings |
| [17:32:05] | sphery: | so when you start Live TV, you'll be on tuner 2 and the recording will start on tuner 1 |
| [17:32:08] | pak0o: | i dont remember exactly, but i think i have that |
| [17:32:19] | pak0o: | let me see |
| [17:33:58] | pak0o: | i have selected "Avoid..." and "Allow live tv to move scheduled shows" |
| [17:34:04] | pak0o: | i have checked? |
| [17:34:20] | pak0o: | set |
| [17:34:54] | sphery: | then you likely have input priorities specified, so you're telling MythTV to ignore the "quality ordering" of inputs |
| [17:35:38] | pak0o: | aham |
| [17:35:49] | pak0o: | then is best to forgot the recordings preferred inputs |
| [17:36:02] | pak0o: | and for the problem for recording two channels on same multiplex? |
| [17:36:25] | sphery: | yes, input priorities and preferred inputs are evil |
| [17:36:30] | sphery: | and really don't do what people assume they do |
| [17:36:55] | sphery: | 2 channels on one multiplex works fine--but it sounds like you may have driver/hardware/signal issues causing problems |
| [17:37:19] | sphery: | (or I/O issues causing MythTV to be unable to write data fast enough or something) |
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| [17:39:03] | pak0o: | i have the same problem on 3 computers, with same espec, same tuner, same version of mythtv |
| [17:39:14] | pak0o: | and the tuner is the nova-t500 |
| [17:39:24] | pak0o: | with diversity mode, but i dont use it |
| [17:40:50] | sphery: | I don't know anything about that particular tuner (or DVB-T, in fact)... You might find someone else who has a guess what's causing the issue. |
| [17:42:23] | pak0o: | how can i know? |
| [17:42:28] | pak0o: | arg |
| [17:42:37] | pak0o: | how can i now what guess? |
| [17:42:48] | pak0o: | wait |
| [17:43:19] | sphery: | I'd suggest asking on the mythtv-users mailing list and see if anyone has suggestions--make sure you provide info about which tuner cards you're using |
| [17:43:36] | sphery: | that way, more people are likely to see the question, and you're likely to get more responses |
| [17:45:39] | sphery: | wow, Citibank was using account-specific single-token IDs in the URI, so someone set up a program to try random IDs and steal account info from the successful requests... I thought companies figured out that was bad in 1995 |
| [17:45:56] | pak0o: | thank you for your support sphery |
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| [17:46:00] | sphery: | guess Citibank was "Too big to care" :) |
| [17:46:07] | pak0o: | this week-end i have more time and try it at mailing list |
| [17:46:18] | sphery: | good luck... hope you find someone who has an idea |
| [17:46:21] | pak0o: | i have tested vdr system and noway |
| [17:46:39] | pak0o: | mythtv is more great, and i use it for watch tv on my lan |
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| [18:19:05] | wagnerrp: | where is the libapi version stored? |
| [18:20:11] | wagnerrp: | nevermind, found it |
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| [18:28:26] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo, sphery: well the '-- <args>' support is now in the command line parser |
| [18:28:50] | sphery: | nice |
| [18:28:52] | wagnerrp: | but ill wait until some xmltv people make a decision the the graboptions issue before converting it over |
| [18:29:14] | sphery: | seems it's still useful, for example, for danielk's --myfile.mpg, anyway |
| [18:29:27] | sphery: | not that anyone should ever name a file that way |
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| [18:57:30] | wagnerrp: | i assume karl dietz is dekarl? |
| [18:59:26] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [18:59:32] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: nice, well done |
| [19:00:48] | sphery: | wagnerrp: yep |
| [19:02:44] | wagnerrp: | well it doesnt actually do anything yet |
| [19:02:53] | Beirdo: | wth is with that guy not being able to build moc_system-unix.o |
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| [19:03:51] | Beirdo: | on one of his frontends only? |
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| [19:07:27] | sphery: | heh, yeah |
| [19:07:46] | sphery: | what's happening is it's creating a 0-byte file there for some reason |
| [19:08:08] | Beirdo: | as "cron on linux sucks" hahahah |
| [19:08:10] | Beirdo: | whatever. |
| [19:08:32] | sphery: | I thought maybe it was a race happening because of some library-building-order issue in our build, but it seems that's not it |
| [19:08:37] | Beirdo: | sphery: yeah, toolset issue |
| [19:08:42] | Beirdo: | it might still be |
| [19:08:50] | Beirdo: | -j 1 is not the same as no -j |
| [19:08:53] | sphery: | yeah, "cron on linux" puts at on Windows to shame |
| [19:09:07] | sphery: | perhaps he's just using a terrible implementation of cron |
| [19:09:11] | Beirdo: | heheh |
| [19:09:11] | sphery: | fcron ftw! |
| [19:09:24] | Beirdo: | or maybe he just has no idea how to use corntabs |
| [19:09:58] | sphery: | or, more likely, he's using the distro-provided "cron directory" approach, which is a script that calls scripts in a dir--where the calling script is actually kicked off by a real cron and the rest isn't cron |
| [19:10:07] | sphery: | mmmm... corntabs |
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| [19:10:19] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [19:10:27] | sphery: | I'll admit if you were using vixie cron, you'd probably hate it |
| [19:10:33] | Beirdo: | nah |
| [19:10:40] | Beirdo: | I used vixie cron for years :) |
| [19:10:55] | sphery: | yeah, years 1987–1993 |
| [19:10:59] | sphery: | then tech progressed |
| [19:11:06] | Beirdo: | no need to |
| [19:11:08] | Beirdo: | it works |
| [19:11:27] | Beirdo: | which is more than you can say about "cron" via upstart, for example |
| [19:11:30] | sphery: | but, seriously, it's 1993 code |
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| [19:11:38] | Beirdo: | who cares? |
| [19:11:41] | sphery: | you'd be using ISC cron today if you wanted the "unadulterated" cron |
| [19:11:44] | Beirdo: | if it works, it works |
| [19:11:58] | Beirdo: | people keep breaking crap that works |
| [19:12:05] | sphery: | Vixie cron was renamed ISC cron in v 4.1 |
| [19:12:13] | sphery: | so vixie would be v 3 or less |
| [19:12:20] | Beirdo: | Paul Vixie started ISC around then |
| [19:12:23] | Beirdo: | so duh :) |
| [19:12:41] | sphery: | I think many distros use anacron, though |
| [19:12:46] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [19:12:51] | sphery: | which is crazy because then you need other garbage, too |
| [19:13:00] | Beirdo: | yuop |
| [19:13:18] | sphery: | that's probably why they have cron dirs, too |
| [19:14:05] | sphery: | but fcron can do both what vixie/isc cron does and what anacron does |
| [19:14:15] | Beirdo: | f. cron :) |
| [19:14:22] | sphery: | f(tw)cron! |
| [19:14:53] | wagnerrp: | acron |
| [19:15:13] | wagnerrp: | drives squirrels nuts |
| [19:15:19] | Beirdo: | AHA |
| [19:15:31] | Beirdo: | I'm using Vixie Cron V3.0 |
| [19:15:35] | Beirdo: | pbbbbbt |
| [19:16:01] | Beirdo: | 3.0pl1 |
| [19:16:03] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [19:16:19] | Beirdo: | and it's deterministic and works |
| [19:17:32] | Beirdo: | anyways.. ) |
| [19:18:41] | sphery: | 3.0... wow, that's 1993 software |
| [19:19:00] | Beirdo: | it's tried and true :) |
| [19:19:03] | sphery: | how many patches do you have to apply to get that to build with modern compilers/arch's? |
| [19:19:13] | Beirdo: | it comes with ubuntu 10.04 |
| [19:19:23] | sphery: | I'll bet you still use DOS 5.0, too, right? |
| [19:19:28] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [19:19:29] | Beirdo: | no |
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| [19:19:32] | Beirdo: | 6.22 |
| [19:19:45] | sphery: | ah, that one is terrible--they added all that drivespace junk and such |
| [19:19:56] | Beirdo: | it was nice |
| [19:20:07] | Beirdo: | I was using it on a 30MB drive |
| [19:20:10] | Beirdo: | yes... MB |
| [19:20:15] | sphery: | yeh, guess it would be nice to increase the amount of data you can store on your 2TB HDD :) |
| [19:20:29] | Beirdo: | like DOS can see 2TB |
| [19:20:31] | sphery: | of course, DOS probably only lets you see a few MB of that 2TB :) |
| [19:20:43] | Beirdo: | 32GB I think |
| [19:20:49] | Beirdo: | or something |
| [19:20:59] | sphery: | :P |
| [19:21:09] | sphery: | that was supposed to be a regular smile |
| [19:21:15] | Beirdo: | wouldn't that be a collosal waste of disk? :) |
| [19:21:23] | sphery: | heh, yeah |
| [19:22:51] | wagnerrp: | is that why windows put a 32GB partition limit on fat32? |
| [19:23:20] | wagnerrp: | isnt 11.04 an LTS release? or is that only every other year? |
| [19:23:21] | Beirdo: | I think the two are directly related |
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| [19:23:34] | Beirdo: | I think it's every other year |
| [19:23:38] | Beirdo: | 8.04, 10.04 |
| [19:23:45] | Beirdo: | and 6.06 before that |
| [19:25:29] | sphery: | I think it's every time the animal is divisible by 4 |
| [19:25:52] | wagnerrp: | they quarter animals? where is PITA when you need them... |
| [19:26:04] | sphery: | so, Dapper Drake (Drake starts with D, which is the 4th letter of alphabet, so cleanly divisible by 4) |
| [19:26:17] | sphery: | heh, your way is funnier, though |
| [19:27:20] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [19:27:37] | Beirdo: | drawn and quartered |
| [19:27:50] | Beirdo: | lunc time |
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| [21:06:17] | zombor: | is there any way to have recordings prefer hd over sd? like if i have a "record this show on any channel", it would be nice to ignore sd channels if an hd version can be found |
| [21:06:26] | cal_: | what is the latest on the 'error opening jump program file buffer' bug? I still get it intermittenly. just upgrading to .24.1 hoping that would fix it. |
| [21:09:12] | lwizardl: | zombor, couldn't you just remap the channels ? for example on my comcast cartoon network sd is 32 and the hd channel is 227. |
| [21:09:33] | zombor: | lwizardl: the shows are on at different times |
| [21:09:36] | lwizardl: | so couldn't you remap the channel from 32 to 227 ? |
| [21:09:39] | zombor: | so it records the first one first |
| [21:09:39] | lwizardl: | ah ok |
| [21:10:20] | lwizardl: | then count my idea out :) for me the channels always air at the same times |
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| [21:12:35] | lwizardl: | with these new Comcast boxes I think they are the Pace ones. Mine says Comcast RNG110 what is the best option for channel changin and recording the shows with my Mythtv box. My main DVR will be retired as of July 31st so I need to get parts etc around soon |
| [21:12:40] | zombor: | this usually comes up with Nova |
| [21:12:55] | zombor: | rerun air on both the hd pbs, and the sd pbs |
| [21:13:01] | zombor: | at random times |
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| [22:08:07] | xrdodrx: | hi guys, I've looked at the wiki but I'm not really sure about which TV tuner (united states, NTSC) to get, the only one that supports CC is upwards of 200 dollars, which is way out of my price range |
| [22:09:10] | JEDIDIAH__: | NTSC tuners have been obsolete for awhile now. |
| [22:09:23] | devinheitmueller: | xrdodrx: when you say "CC", do you mean "closed captioning"? |
| [22:09:28] | xrdodrx: | yes |
| [22:09:29] | devinheitmueller: | ... because a variety of tuners support that. |
| [22:09:36] | xrdodrx: | JEDIDIAH__, have they? |
| [22:09:50] | xrdodrx: | What should I use to capture TV in the US? I thought I needed an NTSC card |
| [22:09:57] | devinheitmueller: | hvr-1600, pctv 800i, etc. |
| [22:10:15] | xrdodrx: | I'm talking about this page |
| [22:10:16] | xrdodrx: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Digital_Tuner_Cards |
| [22:10:18] | devinheitmueller: | The hvr-1600 would probably be the ideal choice, given it has an MPEG encoder on board. |
| [22:10:22] | JEDIDIAH__: | HD HomeRuns are good for OTA |
| [22:10:29] | xrdodrx: | the only one that supports closed captioning is Silicon Dust HDHomeRun Prime |
| [22:10:36] | xrdodrx: | okay |
| [22:10:42] | devinheitmueller: | The HDHR doesn't support NTSC at all. |
| [22:10:48] | JEDIDIAH__: | closed captioning is in the program stream. |
| [22:10:59] | xrdodrx: | sorry, I meant ATSC |
| [22:11:02] | devinheitmueller: | xrdodrx: what type of signal source are you trying t record? |
| [22:11:08] | xrdodrx: | I'm new to this :) |
| [22:11:10] | xrdodrx: | digital TV |
| [22:11:14] | xrdodrx: | analog has been shut off in the US |
| [22:11:15] | devinheitmueller: | Ok, well *any* ATSC tuner will support CC. |
| [22:11:35] | xrdodrx: | why does it say no CC on the wiki? it's only important to me as i'm a bit hard of hearing |
| [22:11:36] | devinheitmueller: | xrdodrx: many people still rely on analog for either analog cable or the ability to capture the output of their cable box. |
| [22:11:47] | xrdodrx: | I see. |
| [22:11:51] | devinheitmueller: | They're talking about *analog* closed captioning. |
| [22:12:02] | devinheitmueller: | Oh, and that list is grossly out of date. |
| [22:12:22] | xrdodrx: | I'd only be capturing digital OTA TV streams |
| [22:12:25] | devinheitmueller: | Of the Hauppauge products, the 850, 950, 950Q, 1600, all support analog CC. |
| [22:12:38] | devinheitmueller: | xrdodrx: in that case, you can get any ATSC capture device. |
| [22:12:49] | devinheitmueller: | as JEDIDIAH__ said, the CC data is embedded in the MPEG stream. |
| [22:12:53] | xrdodrx: | *as long as it's supported* |
| [22:12:55] | xrdodrx: | thank you :) |
| [22:12:59] | devinheitmueller: | np |
| [22:13:18] | devinheitmueller: | xrdodrx: well, as long as the card in general is supported under Linux. |
| [22:13:22] | JEDIDIAH__: | "any ATSC device" is overstating it a bit. make sure it's supported in Linux. |
| [22:15:02] | JEDIDIAH__: | I already mentioned my personal favorite. |
| [22:17:09] | xrdodrx: | Thanks for all the help, going to get the 950Q :D |
| [22:17:15] | xrdodrx: | as it uses USB |
| [22:17:50] | devinheitmueller: | USB is not really a great choice for a DVR, but if you don't have an alternative then it's ok. |
| [22:18:11] | devinheitmueller: | Generally speaking, if you're building a DVR then spring for an internal card or an HDHR. |
| [22:18:20] | xrdodrx: | oh? |
| [22:18:31] | xrdodrx: | I'm going to be building a computer around this |
| [22:18:36] | devinheitmueller: | Yeah, USB devices just aren't really designed for the workload of 24x7 capture. |
| [22:18:39] | xrdodrx: | so any suggestions are welcome |
| [22:19:23] | xrdodrx: | this is going to sound dumb, but is an antenna needed? |
| [22:19:35] | xrdodrx: | can that little card really capture well at all inside the case? |
| [22:19:57] | devinheitmueller: | You connect the antenna to the F-connector the card provides. |
| [22:20:02] | devinheitmueller: | ... the same is true for a USB device. |
| [22:20:07] | xrdodrx: | okay |
| [22:20:27] | devinheitmueller: | FYI: fixed CC status for the products i know about here: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Digital_Tuner_Cards |
| [22:21:32] | xrdodrx: | oh, I see how it comes together now |
| [22:21:37] | xrdodrx: | really cool :D |
| [22:23:34] | xrdodrx: | devinheitmueller, sorry to take more of your time, but just want to ask you if this is a good card before I order http://www.glbargain.com/servlet/the-13811/Ha . . . -ATSC/Detail |
| [22:23:49] | devinheitmueller: | Yeah, that's a good card. |
| [22:24:02] | devinheitmueller: | (in fact, I added the driver support for the most recent version of it) |
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| [22:32:17] | lwizardl: | with these new Comcast boxes I think they are the Pace ones. Mine says Comcast RNG110 what is the best option for channel changing and recording the shows with my Mythtv box. My main DVR will be retired as of July 31st so I need to get parts etc around soon |
| [22:32:57] | abqjp: | I went into a Radio Shack once, and told them I need some F-connectors. They had no idea what I was talking about, but they did offer to sell me a cell-phone. |
| [22:33:02] | devinheitmueller: | lwizardl: an MCE compatible IR receiver/blaster? |
| [22:33:31] | abqjp: | Radio Shack: you've got questions, we've got cell phones. |
| [22:33:31] | devinheitmueller: | lwizardl: what type of tuner do you have? |
| [22:34:24] | lwizardl: | devinheitmueller, My current tuner is the KWORLD ATSC 110, and an ATI RemoteWonder |
| [22:35:14] | devinheitmueller: | wow, that's an oldie. :-) |
| [22:36:03] | lwizardl: | abqjp, lol, i dealt with that type of thing for an antenna tower mount. I told them i have a 32ft 3 pole antenna tower and need the mounts to mount it to the side of my house. they went and grabbed me a tripod |
| [22:36:14] | lwizardl: | devinheitmueller, yeah but its what i have for now |
| [22:36:29] | devinheitmueller: | lwizardl: it should be fine, since all you will be using it for is analog. |
| [22:36:37] | devinheitmueller: | For the IR though, you will need a blaster to control the Pace DTA |
| [22:37:12] | lwizardl: | i also have one of these http://cgi.ebay.com/IR-Blaster-Serial-LIRC-My . . . em2a1098485e |
| [22:37:25] | devinheitmueller: | lwizardl: well, that will probably work. |
| [22:37:50] | devinheitmueller: | The LIRC driver support is a bit of a mess right now, so you might have a bit of a headache. But in theory it should be supported. |
| [22:37:52] | lwizardl: | well I want to do digital also but the pace box i can't find the ir location |
| [22:38:22] | devinheitmueller: | pardon? |
| [22:38:50] | devinheitmueller: | the IR receiver on the Pace devices tends to be in the front/center of the unti |
| [22:38:59] | lwizardl: | i want to record the digital channels from my OTA antenna also, and for the comcast box I can't find the location of the sensor to place the blaster on |
| [22:39:12] | devinheitmueller: | lwizardl: see here: http://www.kernellabs.com/blog/?p=1552 |
| [22:39:19] | devinheitmueller: | (there's a photo with an IR blaster attached) |
| [22:39:22] | lwizardl: | the center of my box is the 3 colored lights |
| [22:40:13] | lwizardl: | too bad it wasn't powered up so i could see which one, but i'll do testing |
| [22:40:17] | devinheitmueller: | Just use your Pace remote control, and block of parts of the front of the box with a piece of cardboard to identify where the IR diode is. |
| [22:41:11] | lwizardl: | my old 6200 box that they told me I can not use in my area anymore for some dumb reason. I used a camcorder to see the lighted area when i pressed a button |
| [22:41:34] | devinheitmueller: | The IR receiver does not light up. |
| [22:41:37] | devinheitmueller: | It's a recevier. |
| [22:42:04] | devinheitmueller: | They're probably going "all digital", phasing out their analog cable boxes. |
| [22:42:17] | lwizardl: | yeah most likely |
| [22:42:32] | lwizardl: | i know without a box we can only find like 5 channels |
| [22:42:41] | devinheitmueller: | Also note that your tuner doesn't have an MPEG encoder, so it will operate strictly as a frame grabber. Expect it to take much more CPU to make recordings. |
| [22:43:03] | lwizardl: | yeah |
| [22:43:13] | lwizardl: | I have the kworld and a pvr-150 |
| [22:43:26] | devinheitmueller: | ... and if you run into problems, people will tell you to get a tuner with an MPEG encoder. |
| [22:43:46] | jams: | i would even say that right now |
| [22:43:48] | devinheitmueller: | The PVR-150 is a much better choice for capturing analog. |
| [22:43:49] | lwizardl: | yeah read about that before |
| [22:44:27] | devinheitmueller: | Unless you've got a good reason not to, you should consider using your Kworld card for digital and your PVR-150 with the Pace DTA. |
| [22:45:15] | lwizardl: | so what would be a good card that has the mpeg encoder and supports ota stuff also. was looking to record multiple shows at a time and know that I can not do that with the kworld |
| [22:45:27] | lwizardl: | was looking at that |
| [22:45:27] | devinheitmueller: | The HVR-1600 will support that. |
| [22:45:35] | devinheitmueller: | It is a dual tuner. It can record both analog and digital at the same time. |
| [22:45:56] | devinheitmueller: | The HVR-2250 is another option, which has two tuners, each of which can capture analog *or* digital. |
| [22:47:09] | lwizardl: | k |
| [22:47:23] | lwizardl: | looks like the 2250 is a pcie 1x |
| [22:47:27] | devinheitmueller: | correct. |
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| [22:48:28] | lwizardl: | and what about the 1600 |
| [22:48:39] | devinheitmueller: | The HVR-1600 is PCI. |
| [22:48:51] | lwizardl: | k |
| [22:49:09] | devinheitmueller: | http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_WinTV-HVR-1600 |
| [22:50:44] | lwizardl: | yeah looking at that now |
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| [23:01:01] | cal_: | is mythtv flakey with hd or is it just my system? jump program file buffer errors, screen freezes at previous hd channel when going to next hd channel (but audio changes)...mythtv drops back to main menu.. etc. all these are intermittant problem. sometimes it switches channels fine. (this is livetv) |
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| [23:04:17] | zombor: | lwizardl: i have a 2250, it's an amazing tuner |
| [23:04:31] | zombor: | i dont use analog though |
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| [23:08:53] | wagnerrp: | aww... just left |
| [23:09:43] | wagnerrp: | cal_: what playback hardware? |
| [23:11:14] | wagnerrp: | sphery: you around? |
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| [23:19:14] | sphery: | wagnerrp: am now |
| [23:19:59] | wagnerrp: | do you remember anything about the mythnetvision schema failing to update because a table already existed |
| [23:20:25] | sphery: | I've seen it happen to users before, but it's impossible with our schema updates |
| [23:20:47] | sphery: | I think they're "restoring" binary DB data files on top of an existing (later) schema provided by distros |
| [23:21:11] | wagnerrp: | so in all cases of that happening, the user somehow screwed up? |
| [23:21:23] | sphery: | (or an existing schema provided by distros that contains the plugin tables before they became main schema tables) |
| [23:21:33] | sphery: | that's my best guess, but I've never proved it |
| [23:22:34] | sphery: | I don't see any possible way for a user to hit schema 1257 and have an existing internetcontent or internetcontentarticles |
| [23:26:31] | sphery: | yeah, because the old mnv tables were netvisionsites and netvisiontreegrabbers and such |
| [23:26:44] | sphery: | (back when it was a plugin without any backend ties) |
| [23:27:11] | wagnerrp: | stupid github blame... |
| [23:29:14] | cal_: | wagnerrp: hd-5500 |
| [23:29:31] | wagnerrp: | you dont play video with an HD-5500 |
| [23:30:21] | sphery: | wagnerrp: where mnv was brought into main schema: https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/4700d . . . ythnetvision |
| [23:30:52] | wagnerrp: | yeah, found that already |
| [23:30:53] | wagnerrp: | thanks |
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| [23:32:15] | cal_: | geforce 7800GT |
| [23:32:47] | wagnerrp: | sphery: we really need to switch to innodb so schema updates can be made transactional.... |
| [23:33:42] | sphery: | we don't have much that requires transactional changes |
| [23:33:50] | sphery: | and innodb brings lots of other challenges |
| [23:33:58] | sphery: | like for all the select count() stuff |
| [23:34:20] | wagnerrp: | well things like it creates internetcontent, fails to create internetcontentarticles and the update drops out |
| [23:34:27] | wagnerrp: | with transactions, the whole process can be rolled back |
| [23:34:32] | sphery: | yeah |
| [23:34:37] | wagnerrp: | without transactions, youre left in an inconsistent state |
| [23:34:43] | sphery: | but if it was able to create one, I don't see why it won't be able to create both |
| [23:34:52] | wagnerrp: | and the user is generally too uninformed to revert to the backup |
| [23:35:53] | cal_: | wagnerrp: does my video card need upgraded? |
| [23:36:07] | wagnerrp: | youre using the nvidia proprietary drivers? |
| [23:36:10] | wagnerrp: | what CPU? |
| [23:36:10] | sphery: | though, yeah, users never seem to revert to backup after failed schema updates |
| [23:36:20] | cal_: | yes i am |
| [23:37:02] | cal_: | Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU 6300 @ 1.86GHz |
| [23:38:40] | wagnerrp: | using the xv-blit or opengl video renderers? |
| [23:38:53] | wagnerrp: | try switching to the 'Slim' playback profile |
| [23:39:04] | sphery: | cal_: fwiw, channel changing on live tv is very unreliable currently |
| [23:39:11] | cal_: | i am guessing your going to tell me I am right on the line as far as video card and cpu |
| [23:39:35] | sphery: | there were major changes made before 0.24, to how we tune channels, and I think they've caught up with us--and are mainly affecting live tv users |
| [23:39:44] | wagnerrp: | GPU is plenty for the opengl renderer |
| [23:39:51] | wagnerrp: | and CPU should be plenty for ATSC playback |
| [23:39:52] | cal_: | sphery : yeah it seems to have gotten worse, not better, at least with my system on these last couple upgrades. |
| [23:40:12] | sphery: | "last couple upgrades" = ? |
| [23:40:20] | sphery: | 0.24-fixes to 0.24-fixes or ? |
| [23:40:25] | cal_: | .22 was good |
| [23:41:37] | cal_: | wagnerrp: i have smooth hd play. its just when changing channels things are flakey. sometimes it works like i said. |
| [23:42:11] | sphery: | best solution is, IMHO, to use MythTV as a DV*R* |
| [23:42:18] | sphery: | i.e. record and don't use Live TV :) |
| [23:42:27] | cal_: | I was hoping that slew of fixes in .24.1 would address some of it.. its the same though |
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| [23:43:36] | cal_: | sphery: I like mythtv's interface better than time warner dvr. |
| [23:44:02] | cal_: | i can get rid of all the crap and duplicate channels, can customize it a lot more. |
| [23:44:25] | sphery: | yeah, but if you record rather than waste time watching live tv |
| [23:44:31] | sphery: | then mythtv is perfect |
| [23:44:45] | cal_: | oh i thought you meant use another solution for livetv ;) |
| [23:45:10] | sphery: | I haven't had a channel change failure in years that wasn't directly related to the channel being off air |
| [23:45:40] | sphery: | but that's because I never use live tv--and channel change for recordings just works :) |
| [23:45:50] | cal_: | i have one hd channel that is very hard to get a lock on. not sure how to fix that either |
| [23:45:57] | cal_: | about 1 out of 20 times it will lock |
| [23:46:40] | cal_: | so yeah hd is not being very reliable overall. |
| [23:49:13] | iamlindoro: | The resolution of a channel is irrelevant to how and whether it locks |
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