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Wednesday, June 8th, 2011, 00:01 UTC
[00:01:43] stuartm: techmik: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . eaded#480224
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[00:02:37] mtrelinsomething: anyone have a motorola 7100-p2 stb?
[00:02:39] techmik: ah
[00:02:41] techmik: thx
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[00:17:20] Tournee: Hi – I'm unable to compile today's trunk, but can still compile a saved copy of "v0.25pre-2005-gee692b1"
[00:18:32] wagnerrp: mtrelinsomething: you likely have to set the proper permissions on your firewire devices
[00:19:14] Tournee: I get a strange error that leads me to believe it's my system, but the previous copy of trunk still compiles, here's the error http://pastebin.com/wpBV7F50
[00:19:50] wagnerrp: Tournee: its just you, trunk builds fine on all tested platforms
[00:19:57] wagnerrp: http://code.mythtv.org/buildbot/waterfall
[00:20:12] Tournee: crap
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[00:20:46] wagnerrp: might want to try pulling again
[00:20:56] wagnerrp: there were some recent changes to the project files
[00:21:26] wagnerrp: you could try a 'make distclean' first as well
[00:21:43] wagnerrp: your makefiles may not have been properly updated for changes in the project file
[00:21:52] wagnerrp: resulting in these kinds of problems
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[00:22:18] Tournee: wagnerrp: will do, thanks
[00:22:36] wagnerrp: since youre using ccache, it shouldnt take much more than a few minutes to rebuild even after a distclean
[00:23:51] Tournee: I cleared my ccache about 20 mins ago wondering if it was responsible :S
[00:24:15] wagnerrp: the buildbots are rarely cleared
[00:24:22] wagnerrp: so that should be one of the last things you try
[00:24:29] Tournee: roger that
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[00:54:58] harrisg: anyone have any luck with Firewire channel changing on a Comcast/Cisco RNG150?
[00:55:26] harrisg: they recently pushed an updated out and it broke channel changing over firewire (which was working great before)
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[01:08:50] tgm4883: stuartm, regarding http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . eaded#480224 this has been fixed in our mythbuntu-repos since you guys have commited it to 0.24 fixes. Which IIRC has been since the 30th
[01:10:42] hoolio: wagnerrp, was playing with mythvidexport.py last night, the files i copied over wouldn't seek. So i did it again with the --seekdata flag OK. But what is seekdata exactly? I mean is it something specific to myth or .mpg or..?
[01:11:30] mtrelinsomething: wagnerp: what do you mean proper permissions on firewire devices?
[01:14:12] mtrelinsomething: i just chmod 777 /dev/fw*
[01:15:12] tgm4883: mtrelinsomething, is firewire a /dev/fw* device? I thought it was /dev/1394soemthing
[01:15:31] tgm4883: even then, I'd probably just add myself to the proper group
[01:15:42] mtrelinsomething: regardless, one stb works
[01:15:44] mtrelinsomething: the other doesn't
[01:17:43] mtrelinsomething: http://pastie.org/2035399
[01:23:00] tgm4883: mtrelinsomething, are they the same cable box?
[01:23:18] mtrelinsomething: yes
[01:24:03] tgm4883: And if you hook one up by itself it works? Does the other one work if hooked up by itself?
[01:24:19] mtrelinsomething: do i have to shut the machine down for that?
[01:24:52] mtrelinsomething: is firewire hotpluggable?
[01:25:20] ** tgm4883 shrugs **
[01:25:28] tgm4883: I haven't dealt with firewire in awhile
[01:25:59] tgm4883: I believe it is hotpluggable, I only have a single FW device for changing channels
[01:26:21] tgm4883: I imagine you would have to reprime it
[01:26:27] tgm4883: if that is even necessary anymore
[01:27:03] mtrelinsomething: how do you prime it?
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[01:29:19] tgm4883: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Category:Firewire_Priming_Scripts
[01:30:01] mtrelinsomething: which one do i use?
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[01:31:14] tgm4883: IDK, I guess it would depend on the cable box you have
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[01:54:25] Beirdo: welcome to World IPv6 Day
[01:54:32] Beirdo: started an hour ago
[01:54:51] Beirdo: err, almost 2h
[01:54:58] Beirdo: I can't tell time, it seems
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[02:23:57] mtrelinsomething: how do i run two set top boxes on one computer with firewire?
[02:24:21] [R]: what do you mean how?
[02:24:27] [R]: the same way you do it with one?
[02:24:57] mtrelinsomething: how do you point 6200ch at each one?
[02:25:17] [R]: no clue how 6200ch works
[02:25:21] [R]: i assume it works with firewire id
[02:25:31] mtrelinsomething: how do i get the firewire guid of a device?
[02:25:38] [R]: plugreport
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[02:26:12] mtrelinsomething: do i take that whole guid?
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[02:28:28] [R]: i would suggest you read the documentatino
[02:31:15] mtrelinsomething: do i need these to be on their own firewire controller?
[02:31:59] [R]: no
[02:33:27] Shadow__X: anyone recommend a hba card that supports 2 sff 8087 ports and works on freebsd,linux,solaris?
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[02:40:21] wagnerrp: hoolio: mythtv uses its own internal seek tables, stored in the database
[02:40:28] wagnerrp: which allows frame-accurate seeking
[02:40:50] wagnerrp: the --seekdata flag tells it to copy that data over to the new file in mythvideo
[02:43:34] wagnerrp: maybe http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816101358
[02:43:46] wagnerrp: Shadow__X: ^^^
[02:44:07] wagnerrp: no support for 3TB drives...
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[02:48:07] Shadow__X: hmm but the reviews said they had issues with linux. I currently have a highpoint 2680sgl and now that i have it i want to return it for something that actually works
[02:48:27] Shadow__X: was thinking this http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?It . . . 12-_-Product but the price difference is a bit
[02:51:33] wagnerrp: well for that price, go for four... http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816145017
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[03:03:36] Shadow__X: oh wow cool
[03:04:10] Shadow__X: yeah i wanted to try and keep the price under 200 but if this ibm card has support on thos os's i might as well get this one
[03:05:15] wagnerrp: it supports linux
[03:05:18] wagnerrp: dont know about the others
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[03:06:28] Shadow__X: yeah looking into that. Thanks wagnerrp i was ready to just get the lsi but now i see i can have more ports for around the same price
[03:10:47] Shadow__X: wagnerrp: apparently the ibm card is mislabelled its 4 sas/sata ports not sff 8087 ports
[03:10:56] Shadow__X: http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/abstracts/tips0776.html
[03:12:30] wagnerrp: oh, so four internal, four external
[03:12:44] wagnerrp: that would explain why its the same price for what is probably the same card
[03:12:51] wagnerrp: i bet theyre both LSI cards
[03:13:07] Shadow__X: the chipset of the ibm is lsi and it does seem like its a rebranded one
[03:13:11] wagnerrp: oh, LSI SAS2008, it is an LSI
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[04:00:47] NewBuntu81: Grrr. Comcast just encrypted my local channels too. WTF? I thought that was against FCC's ruling?
[04:01:02] wagnerrp: it is
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[04:01:19] wagnerrp: assuming those channels are marked as 'must carrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrry'
[04:01:46] NewBuntu81: NBC, CBS, PBS, Fox, CW...locals
[04:01:53] NewBuntu81: now encrypted.
[04:01:55] Shadow__X: NewBuntu81: make sure you rescan
[04:02:07] Shadow__X: i too thought they had encrypted them but had to rescan
[04:02:32] NewBuntu81: well i'm just talking on my local hd tv's too...over cable. they used to come in, now they dont...it says i need a DTA for locals--i never did until tonight.
[04:02:51] Shadow__X: yes i am saying the channels were probable moved
[04:02:53] Shadow__X: rescan
[04:03:20] Shadow__X: http://www.silicondust.com/support/channels/ use this to give you an idea of location
[04:03:45] NewBuntu81: ok i'll try that now...
[04:04:15] Shadow__X: beautiful, one of the seagate drives i got as an rma has already failed due to bad sectors
[04:04:17] NewBuntu81: still doesnt seem right. a couple of my tv's are older...so they aren't digital.
[04:04:25] Shadow__X: :( seagate hates my money apparnelty
[04:04:27] NewBuntu81: they shouldn't be able to mess with the locals...that's just wrong
[04:04:57] Shadow__X: NewBuntu81: as for older non digital tv's thats the digital switch of which you should of gotten notification in the mail
[04:05:12] Shadow__X: they will provide up to 2 free dta boxes for your older tv's
[04:05:47] NewBuntu81: yea i have the dta's...i was going to use them for my upper (21 and above) channels for myth
[04:06:07] NewBuntu81: but from what i had read in blogs i didn't hear of anyone having the locals digitized (encrypted, whatever they're calling it).
[04:06:25] NewBuntu81: so no matter what tv i went to, i could at least watch the first 20 stations (locals...from 2 nearby cities)
[04:11:08] Shadow__X: NewBuntu81: rescan your qam tuners and use that site and go from there
[04:11:31] NewBuntu81: yep, thanks. tv 1 is still scanning...
[04:11:40] Shadow__X: most likely whats happened is what happened to me they moved the channels, i couldnt find them as easily and had to look harder
[04:12:11] Shadow__X: pay attention to the freq like hrc and irc as in myth you have to specifcally scan for those too
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[04:22:52] NewBuntu81: Ok, it looks like they're all there just in a different order. Everything is digitized (with dots).
[04:23:02] NewBuntu81: Now...do i tell myth to rescan too?
[04:23:15] NewBuntu81: I guess I'd have to...blah, this stinks lol
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[04:25:12] NewBuntu81: I guess the big question is...does Schedules Direct have the new channel information?
[04:26:40] Shadow__X: ?
[04:26:49] Shadow__X: schedules direct has the listing information
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[04:27:07] NewBuntu81: yea but it knew the whole numbers...like channel 8
[04:27:16] NewBuntu81: for comcast cable, not the dots...like 84.11
[04:27:56] Shadow__X: you can change the channel appearence in mythtv-setup
[04:28:25] Shadow__X: and you can also add the xmltvid
[04:28:56] NewBuntu81: right...so should i rescan in myth, or just change channel numbers to their new dot format?
[04:29:16] Shadow__X: you have to rescan for the channels in myth
[04:31:14] Shadow__X: wagnerrp: apparenlty this card is supported http://cgi.ebay.com/BRAND-NEW-SUPERMICRO-AOC- . . . em4149006f05 and its a bit cheaper, but i will continue to do research this time arround to make sure i make the right choice
[04:32:58] NewBuntu81: Hmmm, so i have to change my card type then right? Currently it was in cable mode. Now I have to choose...broadcast right?
[04:33:11] Shadow__X: no
[04:33:28] Shadow__X: you keep it in cable under frequency there should be different types
[04:33:48] Shadow__X: i do not have the menu right infront of me but it should be under broadcast type
[04:33:59] NewBuntu81: Currently it's set as an IVTV card type. I leave as IVTV or set to DVB?
[04:34:40] NewBuntu81: us-cable, us-cable-hrc, us-cable-irc, try-all are the options
[04:34:48] Shadow__X: i could of given you false inofrmation let me see if that card is analog or digital
[04:35:00] Shadow__X: what tuner do you have
[04:36:13] NewBuntu81: hvr 2250
[04:36:22] NewBuntu81: it does both types
[04:36:25] NewBuntu81: dual tuner
[04:36:50] Shadow__X: oh ok well on the digital side you want to make sure you scan all of those
[04:37:36] NewBuntu81: yea i'm not sure how to make it do that...i had both tuners set up to cable (whole numbers)
[04:37:55] NewBuntu81: that's why i'm thinking out loud right now, hahaha. i think i have to change the card type from IVTV to DVB
[04:39:30] Shadow__X: you will want to use your digital tunner as a digital tuner
[04:39:39] Shadow__X: especially since that way you can record local hd
[04:43:35] wagnerrp: Shadow__X: isnt that card PCI-X?
[04:44:05] Shadow__X: uio is pcie but they have the card backwards
[04:44:26] Shadow__X: so it still works but all the stuff is on the opposite side of the pcb from what i have read
[04:44:29] wagnerrp: ah, i was thinking of something else
[04:44:50] wagnerrp: yeah, its a special design for some of their cases that have a server down the middle
[04:45:00] wagnerrp: and four cards on riser slots on either side
[04:45:13] Shadow__X: yup but they still work in regular cases just need to flip the mounting bracket
[04:45:18] wagnerrp: Beirdo: database table crash on beirdobot
[04:45:56] Shadow__X: do you remember the site kor-moc uses to buy his domains? i forgot to bookmark it
[04:47:11] Beirdo: wagnerrp: que?
[04:47:32] wagnerrp: the nickssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss ssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss sssssss table
[04:47:37] wagnerrp: gah
[04:47:40] Beirdo: hehe
[04:47:45] Beirdo: OK, gimme a sec
[04:47:59] NewBuntu81: Ok so the channels were also MOVED from their "over the air/free broadcast" dot station
[04:48:04] Shadow__X: lol originally i thought you did that for emphasis but now i see somone has sticky keys
[04:48:28] Shadow__X: ota is different from cable
[04:48:31] NewBuntu81: Example: Used to be NBC channel 8, over the air 8–1, and now it's like 84.1
[04:48:38] wagnerrp: Shadow__X: no, not exactly
[04:48:40] NewBuntu81: Right.
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[04:49:18] Shadow__X: oh ok ill have to ask him when he is around
[04:49:23] NewBuntu81: So if the signal is coming from a "cable wire" that goes to a cable company (instead of say an antenna)...
[04:49:37] NewBuntu81: what am i choosing ? lol. cable? broadcast?
[04:49:55] Shadow__X: from the sounds of it cable
[04:50:05] Shadow__X: broadcast would be if you had an atenna of sorts
[04:50:08] wagnerrp: Shadow__X: im using xpra, which is like a screen for X
[04:50:34] Beirdo: wagnerrp: repaired, thanks
[04:50:37] NewBuntu81: ok, so "cable" can also have "dots"? like 8.1...?
[04:50:45] wagnerrp: but im using it over ssh, over wireless, over the internet
[04:50:47] Shadow__X: yes
[04:50:52] NewBuntu81: i guess i had always incorrectly associated the "dots" with antenna
[04:51:00] Shadow__X: ah so sometimes it hangs
[04:51:10] wagnerrp: Shadow__X: if the connection stalls when i have key pressed, it never receives the 'up' signal
[04:51:19] Shadow__X: ah ok i gotch
[04:51:21] Shadow__X: a
[04:51:39] NewBuntu81: So correct me if i'm wrong...for "whole number cable channels"....we were always told not to scan, but to get the listing from Schedules Direct.
[04:51:54] NewBuntu81: So since I'm still using cable, but I need "dots"...do I then scan?
[04:52:00] Beirdo: wagnerrp: wonder how that happened?
[04:52:13] NewBuntu81: My schedules direct listing is now incorrect due to this moving around and digitizing of channels.
[04:52:30] wagnerrp: NewBuntu81: for external capture or analog tuning, you pull a lineup from SD
[04:52:36] NewBuntu81: I know how to use the xml id, i just don't know how to make the channels have the "dot". Do i just edit the channels myself manually?
[04:52:38] Shadow__X: NewBuntu81: yeah heres the thing, you had your digital card only setup as analog. At the very least you should have it setup as digital and maybe have it both
[04:53:03] wagnerrp: so if youre using a cable box with analog or firewire capture, you pull a lineup
[04:53:37] NewBuntu81: Ok. So let me ask another question I may have associated incorrectly in my mind...
[04:54:16] NewBuntu81: I'm still on cable...but need the "dot" channels. So that's still "cable" meaning IVTV? Or do I have to make the card a DVB like when i was scanning for ATSC over the air?
[04:55:56] Shadow__X: your 2250 has digital and analog tuners. 2 tunners that are able to either record 2 digital channels, 2 analog or 1digital and 1 analog at the same time. ivitv is used for analog,for digital you use dvb and qam
[04:56:23] ** Beirdo mumbles about "tunner" having nothing to do with MythTV **
[04:56:48] wagnerrp: who is talking about bridging equipment?
[04:57:14] wagnerrp: no, aircraft loading equipment
[04:57:32] ** Beirdo points at Shadow__X :) **
[04:57:44] Beirdo: a common typo these days in the ML though
[04:58:03] Shadow__X: whoops
[04:58:06] Shadow__X: :(
[04:58:06] wagnerrp: Shadow__X: do you load cargo aircraft often?
[04:58:13] Shadow__X: nope,never
[04:58:21] wagnerrp: why do you have tunners?
[04:58:35] ** Beirdo is wondering if he should code tonight **
[04:58:37] Shadow__X: they where cheap enough
[04:59:10] wagnerrp: at what, like $25K each?
[04:59:34] Shadow__X: yup, now i can put cars ontop of small buildings as a joke
[05:00:00] NewBuntu81: There's a box for "unencrypted only". Should I uncheck it because Comcast "encrypts" the channels?
[05:00:16] wagnerrp: NewBuntu81: no, that is only for DVB users with CI capable caaaaaaards
[05:01:30] Beirdo: wagnerrp: you having tyyyyyyyping issues tonight? :)
[05:01:47] wagnerrp: told you, its my crappy wireless card
[05:01:58] Beirdo: hehe
[05:02:01] wagnerrp: every time it flakes out when i have a key depressed, that happens
[05:02:13] Beirdo: or narcolepsy (sp?)
[05:02:25] Beirdo: oh, that's sucky
[05:03:31] Beirdo: so, to merge, or not to merge... that is the question
[05:04:48] wagnerrp: doo eeet
[05:04:55] Beirdo: heh
[05:05:16] Beirdo: I THINK I have all the rough parts smoothed out
[05:05:35] Beirdo: I guess we'll find out soon enough
[05:08:16] Beirdo: OMG
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[05:09:46] Beirdo: wagnerrp: check out THAT commits message
[05:10:47] Beirdo: Showing 167 changed files with 4,937 additions and 5,147 deletions.
[05:10:50] Beirdo: hehehe
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[05:11:35] wagnerrp: well just think, hundreds of lines for each of the binaries, plus another thousand for the new library
[05:11:43] wagnerrp: and then all your logging changes
[05:13:52] ** wagnerrp wonders where that puts him on commit count **
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[05:16:03] Beirdo: yeah, ohloh's gonna have a coronary
[05:16:15] Beirdo: writing a follow-up email...
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[05:33:55] Beirdo: there
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[06:11:55] Beirdo: woohoo, I get to switch back to master proper again
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[06:29:53] NewBuntu81: Still not receiving channels on my HVR 2250. The hauppauge website says "Note: to receive clear QAM digital cable TV, you need to use either Windows 7 Media Center or the Hauppauge WinTV v7 application."
[06:30:14] NewBuntu81: So i guess what I want is "digital Clear-QAM"
[06:30:32] Beirdo: huh?
[06:31:29] NewBuntu81: From http://www.hauppauge.com/site/products/data_hvr2250.html, under the "Clear QAM digital cable TV features:" section.
[06:31:57] Beirdo: why are you reading that?
[06:32:29] NewBuntu81: I've tried the card as both IVTV and DVB. And for each, I've tried every option of scanning for the new digital cable channels (Clear-QAM) for: 1) cable, 2) cable-hrc, 3) cable-irc, and 4) broadcast...just for the heck of it.
[06:33:01] NewBuntu81: It's not showing any channels at all...i need the "dot" or "dash" channels like 43–2
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[06:35:09] Beirdo: the only way will be as DVB
[06:35:23] Beirdo: IVTV side is only for capturing analog
[06:36:28] Beirdo: and: http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_WinTV-HVR-2250
[06:36:34] Beirdo: QAM is supported
[06:37:36] Beirdo: even with that page being seriously behind on the analog part, I'm sure the digital part info is useful
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[06:41:17] hoolio: Beirdo, what's the deal if i wanted to update the mythtv with some more friendly doco for http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Mythvidexport.py
[06:41:44] Beirdo: hoolio: umm, create a wiki user, and edit?
[06:41:49] hoolio: do i just go ahead and do it or talk to wagnerrp first or..?
[06:42:00] Beirdo: I would think that'd be the usual way
[06:42:04] hoolio: okies
[06:42:09] hoolio: ta
[06:42:26] Beirdo: I doubt he'd have issues, but may correct stuff if he notices problems, I dunno
[06:42:45] hoolio: okies
[06:43:23] hoolio: he spend awhile helping me the other day with it, most of which could have been averted with better doco
[06:43:40] hoolio: /s/spend/spent
[06:43:47] Beirdo: well, if you feel like working on docs, I'm sure it will be appreciated
[06:44:14] hoolio: i'd like to help, and i can do doco
[06:44:25] Beirdo: well, perfect :)
[06:44:34] hoolio: :)
[06:44:42] Beirdo: I suck at it, personally
[06:44:50] hoolio: most developers usually do
[06:45:28] Beirdo: well, if pushed hard enough, I can do a good job at it, but I hate it
[06:45:33] Beirdo: it's not my forte :)
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[06:46:37] hoolio: i rekon it's hard for a developer to put themselves in the end users position
[06:47:02] hoolio: and to explain everything, and to make no assumptions of prior knowledge
[06:47:10] Beirdo: yeah, in a lot of cases. And doing decent documentation takes a different mindset
[06:47:59] hoolio: yeah
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[06:48:27] Beirdo: I find it's rare to find someone who is both a decent dev and a good tech writer
[06:50:12] hoolio: one requires taking concepts and turning them into arcane jibberish
[06:50:23] hoolio: and the other, into normal words for normal people ;)
[06:51:50] hoolio: with all due respect to any and all arcane jibberish..
[06:52:03] Beirdo: hehe
[06:52:43] hoolio: anyhow, i'll have a talk to wagnerrp
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[06:53:13] hoolio: yesterday i discovered mythwikiscripts
[06:54:34] hoolio: i notice at http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Mythvidexport.py there is a section showing the actual code for that script
[06:55:08] hoolio: is that the code which is parsed by mythwikiscripts, or is the script uploaded separately
[06:55:09] hoolio: ?
[06:55:39] wagnerrp: yes, mythwikiscripts parses the wiki directly
[06:55:50] hoolio: ah, hello :)
[06:55:52] hoolio: okies
[06:56:02] iamlindoro: wagnerrp, Beirdo: Parent is NULL, getting many of those since the logging merge
[06:56:17] hoolio: so if i were to amend your doco :) i should avoid messing with that section
[06:56:41] Beirdo: iamlindoro: where?
[06:56:53] iamlindoro: in the log, all over the place
[06:57:06] wagnerrp: hoolio: messing with what section?
[06:57:17] Beirdo: do you have a -l on your commandline?
[06:57:20] iamlindoro: no
[06:57:25] iamlindoro: this is just running "mythfrontend"
[06:58:08] Beirdo: well, please try with -l to make a logfile. if it still does it, the logfile will give us info that will help track it :)
[06:58:26] hoolio: if i edit http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Mythvidexport.py
[06:58:29] iamlindoro: why would a logfile help?
[06:58:33] wagnerrp: hoolio: well like beirdo said, go for it
[06:58:34] hoolio: am i editing your actual script?
[06:58:40] wagnerrp: if anything is inaccurate, i can correct it later
[06:58:45] iamlindoro: as in, how would it be any different than what I'm reporting from stdout?
[06:58:47] hoolio: i don't want to break your script :)
[06:59:06] hoolio: but i do want to make it more pleasant for humans
[06:59:13] hoolio: it == the doco
[06:59:18] hoolio: not your script
[06:59:22] wagnerrp: anything within that code box is the actual script
[06:59:22] Beirdo: iamlindoro: because it logs the file, line, function and thread for every log line
[06:59:37] sphery: perhaps if we see what it's outputting it will help :)
[06:59:38] Beirdo: so we can pinpoint precisely what's logging that
[06:59:45] wagnerrp: if you dont know python, just avoid touching anything inside that
[07:01:13] iamlindoro: Beirdo, CoreContext xmlparsebase.cpp:316 (ParseChildren) – Parent is NULL
[07:01:26] iamlindoro: looks like it's all of them
[07:01:40] hoolio: would i be editing within the first set of <pre> tags?
[07:02:07] wagnerrp: yes, that is safe to alter
[07:02:12] hoolio: okies
[07:02:36] Beirdo: iamlindoro: you sure that your themes aren't messed up somehow?
[07:02:54] Beirdo: I certainly didn't change anything that should affect that directly
[07:02:55] hoolio: wagnerrp, in relation to the operation of user jobs
[07:03:00] iamlindoro: Beirdo, haven't changed in any way
[07:03:04] hoolio: do they run on the FE or BE?
[07:03:18] Beirdo: now... the recent mythuitype.cpp change may have
[07:03:31] Beirdo: jpabq-: you around? ^^^
[07:03:39] wagnerrp: mythbackend or mythjobbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb
[07:03:39] wagnerrp: bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbqueu e
[07:03:45] wagnerrp: crapola
[07:03:51] wagnerrp: mythbackend or mythjobqueue
[07:04:03] sphery: sheesh, we get your point :)
[07:04:29] Beirdo: iamlindoro: https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/f199a . . . 77a2e33e2dc0
[07:04:42] hoolio: :) k
[07:05:13] Beirdo: I would suspect that perhaps
[07:05:17] iamlindoro: Beirdo, didn't touch xmlparsebase
[07:05:33] Beirdo: but it touches MythUIType
[07:05:45] Beirdo: which is the type of the NULL parent
[07:05:55] Beirdo: it's worth looking at
[07:06:33] hoolio: wagnerrp, wot time is it where you are?
[07:06:39] iamlindoro: I'm sure someone will eventually, but it won't be me
[07:06:42] wagnerrp: 3am, time for bed
[07:06:47] hoolio: ah, okies
[07:06:55] hoolio: it's 5pm here
[07:07:24] Beirdo: iamlindoro: hmmm, you did do a distclean, I hope?
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[07:07:30] iamlindoro: Yes
[07:07:40] Beirdo: and clean out installed lib/includes?
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[07:08:06] iamlindoro: yes
[07:08:40] Beirdo: well, I'm not seeing that message here at all, so not sure what else to suggest
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[07:09:56] sphery: heh, guess I need to get the log viewer in place, now--since Beirdo made a public promise, I'm on the hook
[07:10:46] Beirdo: iamlindoro: xmlparsebase.cpp was not touched at ALL by the merge
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[07:11:10] iamlindoro: Beirdo, ok, just reporting that the message was coincident with your merge, don't know what else to say
[07:11:11] Beirdo: so I'm pretty sure that it's something before I merged, or something odd
[07:11:17] Beirdo: yup
[07:11:20] Beirdo: understood
[07:11:32] Beirdo: is it keeping anything from operating correctly?
[07:11:38] iamlindoro: Not sure yet
[07:11:47] Beirdo: K. How odd though.
[07:13:26] Beirdo: well, if you have the time, you can checkout (by the SHA1) the commit before the merge, and bisect where the issue is, etc.
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[09:53:21] justinh: wouldn't ever take the word of some wiki page or other. evaluate HDTVs with your eye & ears
[09:53:26] justinh: *eyes, even
[09:54:02] justinh: there's no guarantee that a flat panel reviewed on page X on date Y will be the same today
[09:54:31] justinh: infact I'd even say there'd be a good chance it'll be a different panel inside & the features will likely differ too
[09:54:42] justinh: if the models reviewed are even still made
[09:58:00] justinh: I was reading something last week or so about how one manufacturer sells a model which was highly regarded but in a certain serial number range they used a different panel with completely different properties – effectively making any recommendation pointless
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[10:08:20] justinh: fragged: anyway a very simple wiki search on "HDTV" found this: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Category:HDTV_Database
[10:09:02] justinh: pretty much useless really
[10:10:17] justinh: most of it seems like it's scheduled for deletion for not having any relevant content :-)
[10:28:10] mtrelinsomething: i rewrote 6200ch
[10:28:16] mtrelinsomething: got both my boxes working now
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[10:29:27] fragged: justinh, nope, its not that, further research points me towards overscan, but it's not that database I'm thinking of, it's external to the mythtv related websites, but I'm pretty sure I found the link while browsing through one of them
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[10:32:04] mtrelinsomething: here ya go
[10:32:04] mtrelinsomething: http://pastie.org/2036931
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[10:40:19] fragged: Err, so would my obsession with getting a monitor that allows me to disable overscan be void?
[10:42:03] fragged: I suppose I could always check it at whatever local shop I decide to buy it at : /
[10:42:04] justinh: loads of HDTVs allow you to do that these days
[10:42:19] justinh: find some models you like then download the manuals & read
[10:42:31] justinh: or ask in the shop to see the manual :D
[10:42:40] justinh: that really gets their goat doing that. I enjoy it
[10:42:58] fragged: justinh, apologies for my obsession, I'm a pov uni student, and don't feel like wasting a fair bit of hard earned cash on a monitor I'm not happy with : /
[10:43:14] justinh: nobody likes wasting money
[10:43:27] justinh: do plenty of research :-)
[10:44:31] justinh: heck I do plenty of research before buying any major appliance
[10:44:40] justinh: major being over £100
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[10:46:31] ** justinh is weird. reading manuals before buying stuff indeed **
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[11:20:29] fragged: Is going LED over CCFL worth $250 on a ~$900–1150 TV? :S
[11:21:36] ** fragged would die if he actually came into contact with natural sunlight, or people, whilst shopping : / **
[11:22:52] justinh: natural sunlight, in a mall? LOL
[11:25:56] pheld: Is there a way (plugin) to make mythfrontend appear as a DLNA rendering unit?
[11:31:08] justinh: nope
[11:31:21] justinh: oh wait. maybe
[11:31:37] justinh: djmount & mythvideo perhaps?
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[14:33:14] CyberKnet: justinh: did you see the article online about a correlation between the first letter of your last name, and the amount of research people do before purchasing a product?
[14:33:30] CyberKnet: The lower in the alphabet your last name is, typically the more research you do before making a purchase.
[14:33:32] CyberKnet: uncanny.
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[14:41:09] CyberKnet: http://www.healthfinder.gov/news/newsstory.aspx?docID=649050
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[15:46:28] NewBuntu81: I have a question with setup for my HVR 2250. I had it working perfectly with the NXP7164-2010-03–10.1.fw driver for analog cable. However, now that they've digitized, I need to be able to get the channels with dashes/dots (15–1). Do i need a different firmware?
[15:47:17] NewBuntu81: I've read and asked questions, and have learned that I need to set up myth for QAM-256 for the ClearQAM channels (dashes/dots), and either use us-cable or us-cable-hrc to scan for channels.
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[16:03:16] iamlindoro: hrc and irc are only minimally different from regular US cable. Only one channel actually differs, and it's not in the range of channels where most cable companies put anything
[16:03:24] iamlindoro: IIRC it's just channel 6
[16:03:47] iamlindoro: If you have /dev/dvb nodes, then you should not need anything extra
[16:04:08] iamlindoro: QAM-256 is the most common modulation, but not the only one (some companies like to put music channels on QAM-64)
[16:06:08] Tournee: Hi – I'm grappling with this error when trying to compile trunk http://pastebin.com/dtVSjbjv , strange thing is that I can still compile trunk v0.25pre-2005-gee692b1-dirty without getting the error
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[16:09:57] iamlindoro: Tournee: a) did you make distclean, and b) are you running Qt 4.6 or greater, which we now require?
[16:10:20] Tournee: iamlindoro: yes, distclean-ed and am running qt 4.7.3
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[16:10:49] iamlindoro: You appear to have a Qt install issue, just can't say what
[16:11:37] Tournee: Probably right, just seems odd that trunk from 2 weeks ago isn't complaining
[16:12:11] iamlindoro: Quite a bit has changed in the last two weeks, including us using new Qt features
[16:12:18] sphery: IIRC we switched to Qt 4.6 requirement in the last 2 weeks, too
[16:12:50] sphery: and remember some distros package Qt as separate modules for "efficiency" (so you don't have to waste 10MB of space installing Qt GUI if you're not going to use it)
[16:13:17] sphery: though since it's complaining about QtCore, which is the core (and, therefore, you can't have any Qt module without it)...
[16:13:41] sphery: I'd guess you need to distclean and reconfigure and explicitly specify your Qt location in your PKG_CONFIG_PATH
[16:13:56] sphery: because you have a couple Qt's or such?
[16:14:24] sphery: iamlindoro: btw, nice work on the MythVideo move!
[16:14:38] Tournee: ok thanks iamlindoro and sphery, I'll go back over my config and try the path suggestion
[16:15:03] sphery: and with that, /me boots his dev box so he can start doing all the things he needs to/promised to do for others
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[16:15:43] sphery: Tournee: ah, wait... I'll bet the issue is your lib64 dir
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[16:17:53] sphery: Tournee: are you specifying: --extra-ldflags=-L/usr/lib64 (and you may need --extra-cflags=-I<include path> if your headers are somewhere strange)
[16:18:01] sphery: you specify that for the configure run
[16:18:06] sphery: which means make distclean
[16:18:59] Tournee: sphery: I was not, but I'll try
[16:20:44] sphery: let me guess, it's some Red Hat-based distro, right? like Fedora?
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[16:21:27] sid3windr: hatred distro
[16:21:33] Tournee: sphery: no, Gentoo
[16:22:53] sphery: ah, just wondered... didn't know who's still using lib64 dirs
[16:25:10] sid3windr: my debian has lib64 dir? :)
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[16:28:49] sphery: wonder when they'll all switch from multilib systems
[16:28:59] sphery: IMHO, x86_32 has little value, anymore
[16:29:08] sphery: (on an x86_64 system, that is)
[16:30:06] sphery: would be kind of like installing Windows 3.x libs on Windows 7... just doesn't seem necessary, anymore
[16:30:40] sid3windr: but win7 runs win3.x software doesn't it :>
[16:31:12] iamlindoro: Probably not, most of those APIs would have been long since deprecated
[16:31:57] ** sid3windr rechecks raymond chen's blog posts **
[16:32:18] sphery: could be, though--I don't know my windows :)
[16:32:44] sphery: but the point was, there's little out that that requires a win3.x version of an app
[16:32:48] sid3windr: yup
[16:33:06] sphery: so just get the win 7 version (or, in this case, the x86_64 version)
[16:33:48] sphery: of course, Skype is the main offender, but who cares, Skype is evil and doesn't work, anyway (based on all the downtime since the MS buyout was announced--which is unrelated to the downtime, but is really bad timing for Skype)
[16:34:10] sphery: and it's not even FOSS, nor does it allow FOSS apps to use its network
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[16:34:28] sphery: even flash has a 64-bit version, again, now
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[16:53:58] hadack: hi, is ThemePainter=qt gone in 0.25?
[16:54:26] sphery: hadack: yes, because MythTV now selects the most-appropriate theme painter for you automatically
[16:54:37] sphery: are you having a problem that's caused by it selecting the wrong one?
[16:55:11] hadack: yes, mythtv-setup over ssh is very slow
[16:55:19] hadack: its software rasterizer#
[16:55:39] sphery: yeah, it should select Qt painter for you on ssh
[16:55:51] sphery: can I see the log output when running mythtv-setup, please
[16:55:54] sphery: just normal verbosity
[16:56:02] sphery: (to a pastebin, please)
[16:57:23] hadack: ok, one second
[17:00:00] hadack: sphery: http://pastebin.com/B2mW4kji
[17:00:59] sphery: hadack: thanks... Are you using some compositing WM or such?
[17:01:03] sphery: like Compiz?
[17:01:18] hadack: xfce with compositor but no compiz
[17:01:52] sphery: "2011-06–08 18:56:51.661 OpenGL: Direct rendering: Yes" is why we're choosing OpenGL painter--because your system assured us it was using direct rendering
[17:02:08] sphery: but since it's a software rasterizer, it's not direct
[17:02:18] sphery: meaning you get unfortunate performance
[17:02:32] sphery: for now use: mythtv-setup -UIPainter=qt
[17:02:57] sphery: I've been waiting to catch one of these logs, so I really appreciate your getting it for me
[17:03:04] sphery: I had a feeling that some WMs would lie to us
[17:03:07] hadack: ok, thanks!
[17:03:31] sphery: I'll work in a fix, soon, that will disable OpenGL for you (probably hitting off Software Rasterizer or something)
[17:04:01] hadack: that's great, thanks again
[17:04:24] sphery: wagnerrp: ^^^ Any thoughts on which we should choose to disable GL rendering? "OpenGL vendor  : Mesa Project" or "OpenGL renderer: Software Rasterizer" or "OpenGL version:.*Mesa.*"?
[17:04:40] sphery: I can also ask mar kk , later, when that side of the world is awake
[17:07:10] sphery: hadack: btw, what video drivers are you using on the computer on which you're displaying mythtv-setup?
[17:08:40] hadack: open source ati drivers, its an X1900
[17:08:50] hadack: so its using mesa i think
[17:09:40] sphery: yeah, makes sense
[17:09:56] anykey_: why does mythweb only show channels from the master backend? all the slave backend channels are missing, even from the channel configuration page
[17:10:06] sphery: I think if you had drivers with good opengl support, it would actually be fast with opengl over ssh due to AIGLX
[17:10:24] sphery: unfortunately, the AMD/ATI FOSS drivers probably don't do so well with it
[17:11:52] hadack: i have no problems with them, games are slower but compiz for example is fine
[17:15:04] iamlindoro: anykey_: Channels are universal, they don't belong to a particular backend
[17:15:22] anykey_: iamlindoro: so what could be the problem then?
[17:16:07] iamlindoro: No idea
[17:16:26] sphery: anykey_: without a description of the symptom, guessing the problem is /very/ difficult
[17:16:26] anykey_: mhm
[17:16:43] anykey_: sphery: the channels do all appear in the frontends, just in mythweb, they are completly missing
[17:16:52] sphery: do you mean, "Channels that are only available on a video source that's only used by my remote backend do not appear in mythweb?"
[17:17:00] anykey_: sphery: yes
[17:17:26] sphery: and these channels have different callsigns/channel numbers from the ones in the master backend's video source?
[17:17:39] sphery: (and by video source, I mean things configured in mythtv-setup)
[17:18:06] anykey_: sphery: yeah, the master backend has DVB-C tuners, while the slave one has DVB-S2 tuners, so the video sources are completly different
[17:19:08] sphery: ok
[17:19:42] sphery: our epg has logic where if 2 channels have the same callsign and number, they will be "combined" into one row on the guide
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[17:20:02] sphery: in mythweb, it doesn't check to see that the content is actually the same
[17:20:07] sphery: so if you have overlaps, they wouldn't show
[17:20:23] anykey_: sphery: no overlaps, most of the channels are not carried on the dvb-c source
[17:20:35] sphery: also, nothing (mythweb and mythfrontend alike) should show channels that are improperly configured or not available (i.e. because you shut off the remote backend)
[17:20:44] sphery: or you have an error in configuration
[17:21:35] anykey_: but if the frontends show them and can tune and record from them, why would there be a configuration error? the dvb-s2 tuner is even listed as remote and connected on the status page
[17:22:21] sphery: can record with a scheduled recording?
[17:22:25] sphery: if it can do live tv, that means nothing
[17:22:37] sphery: only scheduled recordings verify proper configuration of input connections
[17:22:42] anykey_: ok, just a sec
[17:23:43] anykey_: yeah, can record from the EPG (via TV -> Recordings -> Schedule)
[17:23:51] sphery: fwiw, live tv only tests system-level hardware configuration :)
[17:24:27] sphery: not sure what could be causing problems, then
[17:25:08] anykey_: The card is connected to a diseqc-switch, which I defined in the capture card setup, however I only connected one of the 4 LNBs with a video source yet. but this should not cause any problems?
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[17:27:23] sphery: I don't know anything about dvb-s, but it sounds like that could be related? At least it's the best lead we have so far.  :)
[17:27:55] iamlindoro: Only connecting a single LNB is fine/safe/normal
[17:28:20] sphery: :( so, no leads, again :)
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[17:39:50] anykey_: just added the card & the video source again, same problem
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[18:21:36] NewBuntu81: iamlindoro and all: For an HVR 2250 for clearQAM, should my firmware be 1) NXP7164-2010-03–10.1.fw or 2) v4l-cx25840.fw?
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[18:22:48] NewBuntu81: or 3) v4l-saa7164–1.0.3.fw
[18:23:06] iamlindoro: It should be whatever file the driver says it's trying to load
[18:23:11] iamlindoro: it should say so in dmesg
[18:23:38] iamlindoro: Not being an owner of the card I couldn't tell you for sure
[18:24:03] NewBuntu81: ok. I know that for cable analog mode, #1 worked great.
[18:24:32] NewBuntu81: But when I scan for ClearQAM channels with the #1 firmware I don't pick up anything, so I was thinking perhaps I have the wrong driver loaded.
[18:29:21] sphery: NewBuntu81: see, also, /usr/src/linux-`uname -r`/Documentation/dvb/get_dvb_firmware
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[18:35:17] devinheitmueller: NewBuntu81: I'm going to sound dumb for saying this, but make sure your cable is plugged into the top F-connector, not the second one down.
[18:35:47] devinheitmueller: Also, you can try taking the wire and plugging it directly into a ClearQAM capable television, and see if you get any channels that way.
[18:37:34] NewBuntu81: Thanks all. Hi devin. I've been following a bunch of your articles. I've had the 2250 working perfectly for months now using analog on both tuners. Comcast just updated my channels to clearqam. Arghh.
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[18:38:15] devinheitmueller: You don't need new firmware.
[18:38:27] devinheitmueller: Any errors being shown in dmesg when you do the channel scan?
[18:38:40] NewBuntu81: That's why I was wondering if perhaps the NXP7164-2010-03–10.1.fw firmware was only for analog, and maybe i needed to get the v4l-saa7164–1.0.3.fw (dvb) firmware.
[18:38:41] devinheitmueller: Also, which tuner are you doing the scan on? Tuner 1 or tuner 2?
[18:38:58] NewBuntu81: I've tried both tuners.
[18:39:04] NewBuntu81: Looking for errors, standby
[18:39:04] devinheitmueller: NewBuntu81: Look at dmesg. It will tell you if the firmware you need is missing.
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[18:39:26] NewBuntu81: Ahh, ok so dmesg | grep firmware...
[18:39:30] devinheitmueller: NO
[18:39:32] NewBuntu81: and/or dmesg | grep saa
[18:39:36] devinheitmueller: DO NOT "GREP FIRMWARE"
[18:39:41] devinheitmueller: Just run dmesg.
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[18:40:12] devinheitmueller: People always try to grep the output of dmesg thinking they are helping. They are actually making things much worse because all the relevant info does not necessarily begin with some particular prefix.
[18:40:39] devinheitmueller: Just pastebin the whole dmesg output.
[18:40:56] sphery: could use: dmesg | grep '.'
[18:41:00] sphery: :D
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[18:41:12] devinheitmueller: sphery: you'll just confuse him.
[18:41:23] NewBuntu81: hahaha, yea, i'm still somewhat a newby
[18:41:24] sphery: sorry--ignore me
[18:41:54] devinheitmueller: Also, did you remove the analog tuner instances from mythtv-setup?
[18:42:44] NewBuntu81: Yes, I've removed the analog tuners. Then recreated them as DVB which is what I thought I needed to use. It is DVB, right?
[18:42:50] devinheitmueller: correct.
[18:44:09] NewBuntu81: ok output at http://pastebin.com/sp9q8qHC
[18:44:22] NewBuntu81: I do not see any firmware errors, so i guess that's a good sign.
[18:44:59] NewBuntu81: I have two pci 150's, and one 2250 (dual tuner)
[18:45:21] devinheitmueller: You also appear to have some cx88 board.
[18:45:40] NewBuntu81: The 150's will be used with my DTA's--new IR blaster arriving today or tomorrow. The 2250 I wanted to use to record clear QAM for the "local" stations.
[18:46:57] NewBuntu81: It looks like the PCI 150's use the v4l-cx25840.fw firmware. And my 2250 is using the NXP7164-2010-03–10.1.fw firmware.
[18:48:00] devinheitmueller: Does this dmesg include having run the channel scan?
[18:48:46] devinheitmueller: You don't have a firmware issue (as I stated before).
[18:48:48] NewBuntu81: It might have gotten cut off. Let me do it again.
[18:48:54] NewBuntu81: ok
[18:49:22] NewBuntu81: Stupid question but, I thought channel scan information would be in the myth backend log, not dmesg?
[18:49:44] devinheitmueller: We're looking for errors that would only appear in dmesg, like i2c errors or malformed tuning inputs.
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[18:49:52] devinheitmueller: (these are logged by the driver, and not returned to userland)
[18:50:44] devinheitmueller: Have you tried connecting the cable to a real television to see if you even have a ClearQAM signal coming in?
[18:51:31] devinheitmueller: In many areas, they actually had two different feeds going into homes. One feed had analog and the other had digital. It's possible that they disconnected your feed entirely and you're connected to a dead piece of wire.
[18:52:10] devinheitmueller: Or did you connect one of your DTAs to the cable in question to ensure you are receiving a signal?
[18:52:36] NewBuntu81: Yes, my lcd tv's can pick up the stations. They were whole numbers (analog) and are now dots (digital).
[18:53:03] devinheitmueller: And you used the *exact* cable that was plugged into the 2250?
[18:53:20] NewBuntu81: On an old crt type tv, I also tried a DTA just to make sure the signal is fine. I'm ignoring the DTA piece right now, i want to get this clearQAM part figured out.
[18:53:33] devinheitmueller: ... as in, you disconnected the cable from the 2250, and then plugged it into the TV?
[18:53:35] NewBuntu81: I haven't changed anything with my 2250 setup. Haven't moved a single cord.
[18:53:42] devinheitmueller: That's not what I asked.
[18:53:56] devinheitmueller: It's possible the cable going to the 2250 isn't actually carrying a signal.
[18:54:04] NewBuntu81: The only thing different I did was delete the analog inputs, and added the DVB ones.
[18:54:17] NewBuntu81: Ok, i'll get a tv and try it just to be sure.
[18:54:26] NewBuntu81: Well actually I know it has to be carrying that signal....
[18:54:38] devinheitmueller: Yes, but if they cut off service *entirely* on that feed, and your other TVs are on the digital feed, that could explain the problem.
[18:54:38] NewBuntu81: one of the DTA's is connected into a splitter off that same wire.
[18:54:46] devinheitmueller: You have a splitter?
[18:54:48] devinheitmueller: Get rid of it.
[18:55:04] devinheitmueller: The splitter could be causing upwards of 3.5 dB of signal loss.
[18:55:36] devinheitmueller: I've got five bucks that says this is a cabling problem.
[18:56:02] devinheitmueller: Ok, I'm not really going to give anyone five bucks if it isn't, but I suspect that is your issue.
[19:02:27] NewBuntu81: LCD tv obtaining digital channels--with splitter on. So it isn't my connection issue--i hadn't done anything to it. Comcast digitized stations--that's my problem.
[19:02:48] NewBuntu81: I will remove the splitter just for testing...and rescan in myth.
[19:03:33] iamlindoro: Note that your TV and a PC tuner do not necessarily have the same sensitivity
[19:03:47] devinheitmueller: Yes, remove the splitter. There is a history of cases where the PC tuner has less sensitivity than a standard television.
[19:03:52] devinheitmueller: Yeah, what iamlindoro said...
[19:04:03] NewBuntu81: lol yep. I'm on it.
[19:04:13] NewBuntu81: If this is all due to a splitter....grrr...hahaha
[19:04:25] NewBuntu81: I swore i had the wrong driver or a setting mixed up.
[19:04:42] devinheitmueller: 3.5 dB is actually *alot* of signal loss. It can make all the difference between a signal lock and no signal lock.
[19:05:10] devinheitmueller: It's one of those things where "3.5/40" doesn't seem like much until you realize it's a logarithmic scale.
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[19:14:38] NewBuntu81: Ok, so i'm trying DVB....tuner....frequency set as Cable High (that's where most of the stations are), modulation set to QAM 256
[19:15:03] devinheitmueller: What the hell is "Cable High"?
[19:15:15] devinheitmueller: iamlindoro: ^
[19:15:16] wagnerrp: everything above channel 78
[19:15:40] iamlindoro: devinheitmueller: A shortcut for where most companies put their digital lineup
[19:15:41] NewBuntu81: right, my stations all got moved way up...
[19:15:45] devinheitmueller: Without a frequency table, how is a user expected to know where channels fall?
[19:15:46] iamlindoro: I personally think it's still
[19:15:48] NewBuntu81: the first starts on 80–11
[19:15:55] iamlindoro: er think it's silly
[19:16:59] devinheitmueller: wagnerrp: "80–11" – is that some arbitrary label we're assigning?
[19:17:11] wagnerrp: for the most part, yes
[19:17:21] wagnerrp: physical channel 80, stream id 11
[19:17:42] devinheitmueller: ok.
[19:17:47] wagnerrp: but largely irrelevant since no one actually uses that information
[19:17:53] iamlindoro: Though that matches how the average TV numbers them in the absence of PSIP data
[19:18:08] NewBuntu81: Well something isn't right. Maybe i need to restart. DVB (adapter0) shows "error_open" for dvb device number.
[19:18:08] devinheitmueller: Yeah, seems like the sort of thing that would just confuse users since it won't match up with their cable channel lineup.
[19:18:12] wagnerrp: you cant actually use that to match up to SD data
[19:18:21] wagnerrp: but its not like there is a better alternative
[19:18:24] iamlindoro: devinheitmueller: If we had any means of getting the logical channel numbers, we would
[19:18:33] wagnerrp: considering the cable companies dont advertise their linear channel lineup
[19:18:35] devinheitmueller: iamlindoro: you just need to have an OOB!
[19:18:40] NewBuntu81: The 80–11 is just mapped to the physical channel frequency so the tuner knows where to find it, correct?
[19:19:10] iamlindoro: The users can put the XMLTVids in for the channels, run mythfilldatabase --do-channel-updates and have the logical numbers, for the 99% of us without an OOB tuner ;)
[19:19:33] devinheitmueller: NewBuntu81: How do *you* know that you have a valid channel 80–11? Did you hook up some other ClearQAM tuner that told you that?
[19:19:53] NewBuntu81: My lcd tv has channel 80–11
[19:20:12] NewBuntu81: and 81–2, etc etc etc. i wrote them down last night.
[19:20:33] devinheitmueller: There's no guarantee that those numbers match the numbering convention used by Myth. You really should be running a full channel scan.
[19:20:37] NewBuntu81: So using "cable high" just would speed up the search since it starts on channel 76.
[19:20:37] wagnerrp: you can check the lineups on silicondust
[19:20:46] NewBuntu81: ok, full scan here i go.
[19:20:46] wagnerrp: they will have the same channels listed
[19:20:58] wagnerrp: although those scans may be weeks/months old
[19:20:59] NewBuntu81: Well...that's for over the air though.
[19:21:05] NewBuntu81: This is cable....
[19:21:08] wagnerrp: no, they do cable too
[19:21:44] iamlindoro: devinheitmueller: I do agree that he should run a full scan, but the numbering should match the TV (since I'm the one amended it to do so instead of the brokenness that happened before). If it doesn't, I definitely want to know so that I can fix it
[19:22:09] iamlindoro: You would be sad if I described what it *used* to do :)
[19:22:22] devinheitmueller: iamlindoro: I'm just saying that there is no guarantee that his particular television is calling it "80–11" because it's physical channel 80 stream 11.
[19:22:33] iamlindoro: devinheitmueller: yeah, I'm with you
[19:23:07] devinheitmueller: All that said, the "DVB (adapter0) shows "error_open" for dvb device number." suggests he's got something screwed up.
[19:23:28] NewBuntu81: Yep. But it let me scan earlier, and some would say channel lock. Im going to reboot. brb.
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[19:24:04] devinheitmueller: If he's getting a channel lock, that's a very good sign.
[19:25:24] devinheitmueller: As much as I keep hearing about how crummy MythTV's channel scanner is, I really cannot complain since I haven't been willing/able to find the time to dig into it and figure out what everybody is complaining about.
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[19:28:20] iamlindoro: devinheitmueller: The sad reality is that the rewrite from the old one lost steam before a) it got an acceptable UI, and b) all the bugs got worked out. The three people I can think of who wrote it are *all* more or less barely active any more. I spent a few weeks tracking down the issues where it falsely reported hundreds of duplicate and conflicting channels on a fresh scan, and that uncovered numerous fundamental errors, which
[19:28:20] iamlindoro: fixed
[19:28:52] devinheitmueller: gotcha
[19:28:55] iamlindoro: devinheitmueller: Going any deeper into it would have required me coming up to speed on a lot of v4l-dvb API stuff, as well as some basic DVB broadcasting science, and at that time my interests just weren't there
[19:29:20] devinheitmueller: So is the current code the rewrite? Or did it get reverted to the old code?
[19:29:31] iamlindoro: The current code is the rewrite
[19:29:37] devinheitmueller: ok
[19:29:52] NewBuntu81: Ok i removed the cards, tried creating them new again as DVB DTV v3.x. Frontend id still shows "error_open", subtype ATSC.
[19:29:56] iamlindoro: I'll bet you that our big issues (abominable UI aside) probably come down to a half dozen bugs
[19:30:25] NewBuntu81: It seems to find and populalte information for Analog (V4l) and IVTV Mpeg-2 card types.
[19:30:36] devinheitmueller: NewBuntu81: anything in dmesg?
[19:31:21] devinheitmueller: If you have the other card types (v4l/ivtv), then they may very well be locking the tuner preventing it from being used for ATSC.
[19:31:45] devinheitmueller: The saa7164 driver is one of the few drivers that will actually enforce not letting you use both the shared DVB and V4L devices at the same time.
[19:31:51] NewBuntu81: I can try removing all tuner cards (the 150s).
[19:32:24] devinheitmueller: yes, I would do that. It's also possible your cards are moving around between reboots, and the profiles you defined originally for the 150s are actually pointing to the 2250.
[19:32:36] devinheitmueller: (e.g. if /dev/videoX devices nodes are moving around)
[19:32:47] NewBuntu81: Right. I've watched for that.
[19:33:04] NewBuntu81: It likes the 150's as 0 and 1. So it makes the 2250 2 and 3 usually.
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[19:33:34] devinheitmueller: For now, simplify: drop everything except the 2250 digital devices.
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[19:34:27] NewBuntu81: Yep, deleted. Do i need to remove them from the mobo also? or just deleting is good enough for now?
[19:34:54] devinheitmueller: Just removing them from mythtv-setup, should be good enough. I would consider though yanking the boards entirely if that still doesn't work.
[19:35:10] devinheitmueller: (which as a side effect, will also make it much easier for people to parse your dmesg startup)
[19:35:26] NewBuntu81: Ok
[19:36:21] devinheitmueller: still hitting error_open() ?
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[19:39:19] iamlindoro: FWIW mythtv-setup won't open the cards unless it's scanning, the only thing that could hold them out would be the backend
[19:39:33] iamlindoro: so ideally, the backend is not running as he is attempting to do this
[19:39:49] devinheitmueller: iamlindoro: I was just thinking the same thing.
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[19:40:44] iamlindoro: NewBuntu81: you don't have the backend running while you're trying to make these changes, do you?
[19:41:16] NewBuntu81: No. When I open the setup it asks me to shut down the backend.
[19:41:33] iamlindoro: That's a mythbuntu wrapper script-- are you sure that it actually succeeded in doing so?
[19:42:28] wagnerrp: Beirdo: best i can tell, that block i deleted from autoexpire.cpp basically makes the autoexpirer not work
[19:42:37] wagnerrp: although i cant fathom why i would have deleted it
[19:42:48] wagnerrp: as it doesnt seem to have any effect on the FileSystemInfo changes
[19:42:59] NewBuntu81: It scans and enters channels from analog mode.
[19:43:05] NewBuntu81: It just doesn't like DVB mode.
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[19:44:04] Beirdo: wagnerrp: ouchie.
[19:44:11] wagnerrp: sphery: is that some sort of broken configuration that the software rasterizer is reporting direct rendering?
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[19:46:36] sphery: wagnerrp: I think it's a AIGLX configuration + compositing WM causing it
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[19:47:26] sphery: it is technically indirect rendering, but it reports it as not indirect because the server is actually using direct rendering
[19:48:52] sphery: so client speaks to server, which speaks to graphics card directly... I don't know why it's poor performance, though--as it should be good performance in that situation with good drivers (all I can do is assume it's because the FOSS AMD/ATI drivers just aren't up to it--possibly just when used with ssh forwarding)
[19:50:06] sphery: then again, maybe it's not really using direct rendering to the drivers on the server, so it ends up being software, anyway
[19:50:22] sphery: (broken/borked configuration or X server or X client or ...)
[19:51:12] sphery: then again, I may be way off... so I do plan to ask mar kk
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[20:01:04] wagnerrp: Beirdo: i added that code back, and am test compiling it
[20:01:11] wagnerrp: if it works, im going to commit it
[20:01:18] wagnerrp: hopefully it doesnt break anything
[20:01:24] wagnerrp: im going to be out most of the night
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[20:05:36] Beirdo: wagnerrp: cool
[20:06:49] wagnerrp: should be done shortly
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[20:11:23] mtrelinsomething: wagnerp: i modified 6200ch to work a little better, should i post to the myth wiki?
[20:11:40] wagnerrp: if it doesnt disrupt operation of other 6200ch boxes, yes
[20:11:45] sphery: agreed
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[20:12:40] sphery: and if you'd like, you can take ownership of that and other channel-change programs and recruit some other users to help maintain them and we can help you set up a real project/repo for them :)
[20:12:54] mtrelinsomething: i'm not sure i want to do that, i hate C
[20:12:58] sphery: heh
[20:13:10] mtrelinsomething: but i got it to work with 2 7100-p2 boxes on the same firewire connection
[20:13:18] sphery: yeah, I'd just like to get them somewhere where they can be better looked after and have real change logs and such
[20:13:20] mtrelinsomething: plus i made a more verbose mode so you can know what's going on
[20:13:24] sphery: and real versions and all
[20:14:38] mtrelinsomething: http://pastie.org/2039392
[20:14:44] mtrelinsomething: that's the new verbose mode
[20:15:24] sphery: btw, thanks for contributing to it
[20:16:10] mtrelinsomething: no problem, i kept all the helper procedures
[20:16:16] mtrelinsomething: but i stripped out all the checks
[20:17:03] mtrelinsomething: stripped out 300 lines lol
[20:17:52] sphery: wow, sounds like a big cleanup
[20:18:12] mtrelinsomething: to be honest, i don't know what the point of having all those model numbers in there was
[20:18:18] sphery: please make sure you describe the changes in the wiki's edit page (the Summary field)
[20:18:23] mtrelinsomething: it's not like they caused them to do anything different
[20:18:35] sphery: kind of like a "commit" message
[20:19:06] sphery: jpabq-: I'm thinking you picked the wrong list...  :)
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[20:21:35] abqjp: Woops
[20:21:58] sphery: heh, not a big deal
[20:22:28] abqjp: Problem with auto-complete — you need to verify you got what you intended!
[20:22:35] sphery: yeah
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[20:28:39] NewBuntu81: Hmmm, I still think this is a firmware issue. Per http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1538242.html, the person scanned using the v4l-saa7164–1.0.3.fw firmware and found 77 QAM stations. I'm using the NXP7164-2010-03–10.1.fw driver and can't get it to associate with DVB. Perhaps DVB is to the v4l driver, and analog is to the nxp driver?
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[20:35:07] trev_: hello all
[20:35:46] trev_: i need help, I messed up a hostname change on my backend and need to get hold of this script: mythconverg_restore.pl
[20:37:00] DeviceZer0: its on the wiki. google for "mythtv backup restore"
[20:37:11] sphery: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_and_Restore
[20:37:47] sphery: trev_: note, though, if you've already run the system with the new hostname, you'll have to get rid of the new garbage stuff
[20:38:46] trev_: thanks, I've only changed the settings table, basically I put the fqdn on the end of my hostname, so ran an update statement
[20:39:00] sphery: trev_: so, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_an . . . d_or_backend with --old_hostname='newnameyouwant' --new-hostname='garbage', and then again with --old_hostname='oldnametochange' --new-hostname='newnameyouwant'
[20:39:36] sphery: ah, yeah, if you haven't run mythtv apps with the new hostname (the one you want), you can just change it directly
[20:40:02] sphery: but if you had partially changed it, might need to change it 2x, once with the stuff you changed with fqdn and once with the old hostname
[20:40:43] sphery: but since every time you start any mythtv app, it puts in entries with the hostname, if you had done that, you will get duplicates that prevent it from working
[20:40:56] sphery: trev_: make sure you back up the database /before/ doing the name change, too--just in case
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[20:41:55] trev_: aye, thanks I've got one from last night, I'll lose some program data but it should sync fairly quick
[20:42:43] trev_: I'll be back :-) thanks again (unless it doesn't work lol)
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[20:49:37] trev_: hmm I'm getting this:MythImage::Load failed to load remote image myth://Videos@:0/50344_coverart.jpg
[20:50:08] sphery: :0 is not a good hostname
[20:50:30] trev_: I always set my hostname to numerics lol
[20:50:33] sphery: er, '' before the :0 (and :0 doesn't seem a good port)
[20:50:53] trev_: I assure you I have a valid hostname
[20:51:00] trev_: ok, so what have I broken?
[20:51:36] mtrelinsomething: does anyone have a good script that i can use to restart the mythfrontend via remote if it crashes?
[20:51:38] sphery: assuming you're on 0.24-fixes or below, you could always just flush your mythvideo schema and then re-scan
[20:52:09] sphery: though it's also possible that some of your other hostname columns are broken, too, if that one got broken
[20:52:48] techmik: i feel like i am just a tiny bit away from being setup with my weird setup.... i can watch other recorded stuff on either the frontend of the machine with the backend, or the laptop over the network, and it both looks and sounds good...... when i "watch live tv" from either machine, it seems to record fine, i play it back, no sound........
[20:52:54] sphery: that reminds me... I should probably tell people not to do mythvideo schema deletion in master and beyond
[20:53:07] trev_: :)
[20:54:22] trev_: sphery: isnt there 4 or 5 tables I need to get rid of, or can I "cheat" and just truncate the videometadata table?
[20:56:16] mtrelinsomething: sphery: recommend renaming the tables imo
[20:56:18] mtrelinsomething: :)
[20:56:47] trev_: I wasn't going to drop them :) just truncate all the data
[20:57:04] mtrelinsomething: rename then create table like imo
[20:57:22] mtrelinsomething: so much easier to fall back if something happens
[20:57:39] sphery: trev_: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/406462#406462
[20:57:50] sphery: do exactly that... don't truncate
[20:57:59] sphery: and don't re-create tables
[20:58:04] sphery: let mythvideo do it properly for you
[20:58:12] sphery: but, again, don't do that if you're on master
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[21:02:07] trev_: ok, those instructions say drop the tables and the mythvideo schema versions
[21:03:42] trev_: oh hang on...
[21:04:22] CyberKnet: Anyone in here use a motherboard that has UEFI?
[21:04:24] trev_: ok in videometadata is a hostname field, and that was still set to my old one
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[21:04:45] trev_: so a quick update and its now working
[21:05:06] CyberKnet: Trying to figure out if buying this motherboard is stepping into a minefield
[21:06:12] trev_: also its not in the restore script
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[21:08:08] sphery: trev_: there was an old version of mythconverg_restore.pl that didn't properly update mythvideo tables (since it used host instead of hostname), but if you got the current ones, as at the wiki page, that wouldn't be a problem...
[21:09:18] trev_: sphery: aye, I got the most recent one, looking at the code now, it's not mentioned by name, just loops through all tables looking for either hostname or host for a column id
[21:09:29] trev_: so it *should* have worked
[21:09:30] sphery: yeah, so it should have updated it
[21:09:39] sphery: unless you mistyped the old hostname
[21:10:24] trev_: I wont be big headed and say it isnt possible, but i did triple check :)
[21:10:31] sphery: heh
[21:11:22] trev_: well its working now, so thank you for your time I appreciate it :)
[21:11:30] JEDIDIAH__: what's supposed to be the benefit (of UEFI)?
[21:13:59] trev_: its mainly so microsoft and apple make sure you are installing on the right hardware for your disk image
[21:14:02] trev_: ;)
[21:14:06] TheAsp: does 0.24 say something when it successfully uses realtime threads?
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[21:19:25] sphery: TheAsp: TTBOMK, all realtime support was removed before 0.24
[21:19:31] sphery: er, "realtime" support
[21:19:52] sphery: (since it was more a "try to change niceness" thing)
[21:20:23] sphery: yeah, definitely not in 0.24
[21:20:32] sphery: wasn't needed any more
[21:22:45] JEDIDIAH__: Tell you what CK. You try it out and tell the rest of us how it goes. '-)
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[22:58:57] CyberKnet: Annoying windows crap #1064871: You can have a tray icon context menu open for outlook, have it stay up, click other areas on the screen and it doesn't go away, and it will disable your alt-tab. And it can be 90% covered by your task bar so you can't tell it is open. And you will think your computer needs to be rebooted because by goodness, even after restarting the Explorer task you
[22:58:57] CyberKnet: STILL can't alt-tab
[22:59:25] CyberKnet: Hmmm.... not sure how that came through.
[22:59:28] CyberKnet: anyways. </vent>
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[23:18:53] TheAsp: sphery: damn... 0.23 was way smoother when my box was doing other things
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[23:19:49] sphery: TheAsp: yeah, there are some issues, but realtime prio wouldn't have fixed them
[23:20:23] sphery: TheAsp: there have been several fixes in 0.24-fixes that improve playback, but there are still a couple of deeper issues being investigated, now
[23:20:37] sphery: so if you aren't on the most-current 0.24-fixes, I highly recommend you upgrade
[23:20:51] TheAsp: i'm on whatever is in natty right now
[23:20:54] sphery: and if you're using vdpau decoding, you'll likely get small pauses every once in a while
[23:21:00] sphery: what's natty? 11.04?
[23:21:06] TheAsp: yeah, sorry
[23:21:25] sphery: it's probably relatively recent, but wouldn't hurt to enable the 0.24-fixes repo at http://www.mythbuntu.org/repos
[23:21:40] TheAsp: it's a 2 week old checkout
[23:22:34] TheAsp: i'll try something new next time it does it
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[23:23:26] TheAsp: i think it's more io related when i swap
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[23:26:21] sphery: ah, yeah, that would make sense
[23:26:38] sphery: 0.24-fixes is very sensitive to I/O failures
[23:26:52] sphery: that's actually the crux of the "deeper issues [still] being investigated"
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[23:27:36] sphery: TheAsp: my recommendation is to use ionice to either set your mythbackend and mythfrontend apps to higher I/O prio or reduce prio for the other process that's getting in the way
[23:27:57] sphery: anyway, it will get better in future versions
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[23:43:20] TheAsp: cool, thanks
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