| Tuesday, June 7th, 2011, 00:01 UTC | ||
| [00:01:35] | hoolio: | i had no idea mythwikiscripts existed |
| [00:01:37] | hoolio: | that's coool |
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| [00:02:30] | wagnerrp: | speaking of which, i need to figure out why the caching on that is broken again |
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| [00:12:50] | TheAsp: | In mythnetvision, does update site maps take a long time each time you do it, or only the first time? |
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| [00:13:49] | iamlindoro: | each time, which is why you should just cron mythfillnetvision instead |
| [00:16:06] | TheAsp: | oh, awesome |
| [00:16:06] | TheAsp: | ok |
| [00:17:24] | TheAsp: | thanks |
| [00:17:34] | iamlindoro: | np |
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| [00:19:48] | TheAsp: | What exactly does it do during the "beginning processing" phase? |
| [00:20:13] | iamlindoro: | parsing scads and scads of XML and inserting each record into the database |
| [00:21:06] | TheAsp: | does it process the same scads, or just new junk? |
| [00:21:18] | TheAsp: | when running again |
| [00:21:32] | iamlindoro: | It has no way of knowing what is new and what it not in the XML coming from the sources |
| [00:21:35] | NewBuntu81: | sphery said: just have to install drivers and hardware that support it |
| [00:21:35] | NewBuntu81: | so just to reconfirm, i have installed the nvidia driver. and configured mythtv to use the vdpau normal setting. is there any other "switch" to turn on vdpau? |
| [00:21:38] | iamlindoro: | and thus everything needs to be parsed |
| [00:22:37] | wagnerrp: | NewBuntu81: incorrect |
| [00:22:45] | wagnerrp: | you have to install libvdpau, and thats it |
| [00:23:06] | wagnerrp: | thats all is required to compile something to use VDPAU, or to use a program compiled against it |
| [00:23:14] | NewBuntu81: | ok |
| [00:23:23] | NewBuntu81: | interesting. could that also be pre-installed with mythbuntu? |
| [00:23:24] | TheAsp: | hmm... took almost an hour for pbs to process. do you know what file in the source is doing this? |
| [00:23:33] | NewBuntu81: | once i changed the setting in mythtv, the cpu dropped |
| [00:23:49] | sphery: | NewBuntu81: need drivers and hardware to use it |
| [00:23:53] | wagnerrp: | in order to actually make use of vdpau, you must have the proper hardware and drivers installed |
| [00:23:58] | sphery: | only need libvdpau to compile with support for it |
| [00:24:03] | NewBuntu81: | right |
| [00:24:28] | sphery: | or need only libvdpau |
| [00:24:34] | sphery: | both fit, actually |
| [00:25:03] | NewBuntu81: | does it hurt a system without a vdpau card, to have libvdpau installed? |
| [00:25:34] | sphery: | no, I have libvdpau on all my systems |
| [00:25:43] | NewBuntu81: | ok. great! |
| [00:25:45] | sphery: | and only have one system with an nvidia card |
| [00:25:47] | NewBuntu81: | thanks all! |
| [00:25:56] | sphery: | IMHO, anyone with any media apps should have libvdpau installed |
| [00:25:56] | NewBuntu81: | glad i asked for clarification |
| [00:26:44] | sphery: | (and you need the library .so files to use it, but the headers are only needed for the compile... so no need for -dev package unless you're compiling yourself) |
| [00:28:03] | ThisNewGuy1: | wagnerrp – I'm getting storage group issues since 65e877ae9c2e2bbbfeeb – can you help? |
| [00:29:05] | wagnerrp: | what issues, specifically? |
| [00:29:44] | ThisNewGuy1: | whenever I try to record anything other than livetv it fails because it tries to record to /<filename> instead of /<storage group path/<filename> |
| [00:30:36] | Newbuntu81-2: | good, libvdpau was already installed in mythbuntu and in my fedora frontend. sweet. |
| [00:30:59] | wagnerrp: | i assume youre running after beirdo's fix? |
| [00:32:10] | wagnerrp: | huh... |
| [00:32:11] | ThisNewGuy1: | correct |
| [00:32:37] | ThisNewGuy1: | I'm up to 2ca486e1903043ab50dd1740d66226b33b29f7da |
| [00:32:55] | wagnerrp: | yeah, im seeing what youre talking about |
| [00:35:31] | ThisNewGuy1: | cool – I'm glad I'm not crazy |
| [00:37:41] | Beirdo: | it didn't seem to have an issue in my testing last night |
| [00:37:49] | Beirdo: | wonder if it's tossed recordings today |
| [00:38:06] | Beirdo: | heh, yes it did |
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| [00:39:11] | Beirdo: | I guess I did no recordings last nigh. |
| [00:41:19] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: looking into it? |
| [00:42:37] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [00:42:47] | Beirdo: | OK, let me know if you need a hand |
| [00:45:51] | Beirdo: | and, of course, I JUST stopped using -v file on the backend |
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| [00:47:22] | Beirdo: | OK, who was the person who updated the schema to 1277? |
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| [00:53:31] | Beirdo: | it was gigem |
| [00:53:37] | Beirdo: | forgot the bindings! |
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| [00:54:40] | cerise8192: | Hi — how do I know that mythbackend is actually recording? |
| [00:54:43] | cerise8192: | I don't see any files in the storage directories I set up |
| [00:54:46] | cerise8192: | and when I try to play the recording, I get console output that says: |
| [00:54:50] | cerise8192: | 2011-06–06 17:50:17.522 PlaybackBox::play(): Error, /GetPlaybackURL/UNABLE/TO/FIND/LOCAL/FILE/ON/boogeyman/1021_20110606175000.mpg file not found |
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| [00:57:38] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: got nothing... |
| [00:58:11] | wagnerrp: | i cant come up with any reason why GetNextLiveTVDir wouldnt be getting a valid recording_dir |
| [00:58:37] | wagnerrp: | unless im getting an unpopulated path somewhere |
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| [00:58:47] | wagnerrp: | and getPath() is returning an empty string somehow |
| [00:59:17] | wagnerrp: | but the stranger part, im running with 'file' logging |
| [00:59:24] | wagnerrp: | but its not reporting VB_FILE logs |
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| [01:01:12] | wagnerrp: | right... since thats not the one that isnt working |
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| [01:03:42] | ThisNewGuy1: | wagnerrp – LiveTV works fine for me – it's only scheduled recordings – I don't know if that affects anything |
| [01:05:00] | wagnerrp: | yeah, it seems the disk scheduler follows different code paths on thos |
| [01:05:01] | wagnerrp: | e |
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| [01:05:44] | wagnerrp: | they both use FillRecordingDir though |
| [01:05:59] | wagnerrp: | ThisNewGuy1: do you have a separate LiveTV storage group? |
| [01:06:08] | ThisNewGuy1: | I do |
| [01:06:34] | wagnerrp: | is it only a single path, while your recordings are on multiple paths? |
| [01:06:41] | ThisNewGuy1: | correct |
| [01:06:59] | wagnerrp: | i wonder if its a problem with the weighting system |
| [01:07:09] | Beirdo: | quite likely so |
| [01:07:35] | Beirdo: | I was going to take a look, but got distracted by work :) |
| [01:07:52] | wagnerrp: | house already failed, so my motivation is gone |
| [01:08:00] | wagnerrp: | now im just trying to avoid the ire of others |
| [01:08:00] | wagnerrp: | :) |
| [01:08:30] | Beirdo: | Agreed :) |
| [01:08:45] | ThisNewGuy1: | I would be very appreciative if that matters. Also, my wife might stop yelling. |
| [01:08:48] | Newbuntu81-2: | I'm noticing that Mythbuntu 11.04 shipped with LIRC v 0.87 instead of 0.90. Any reason for this? |
| [01:08:49] | Beirdo: | I'll live with borked recordings for the moment personally |
| [01:09:05] | wagnerrp: | funky, i have no livetv directory set, yet livetv still works for me |
| [01:09:07] | Beirdo: | let's get this figured out, then we can have a peaceful life (relatively) |
| [01:09:45] | Beirdo: | it's likely something silly (once we find it) but buried |
| [01:10:23] | Beirdo: | gotta wait until this rebuild finishes |
| [01:10:40] | Beirdo: | (put the 1277 schema into the bindings) |
| [01:11:05] | Beirdo: | then I'll go play whack-a-bug |
| [01:11:06] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [01:11:11] | sphery: | wagnerrp: house is a rerun |
| [01:11:12] | ThisNewGuy1: | I noticed that FileSystemInfos had getPath() look like <hostname>:<paths> but storagetGroup.getPath() looked like <path> |
| [01:11:25] | wagnerrp: | is it? why was i set to record |
| [01:12:16] | sphery: | wagnerrp: live tv sg only provides a way to force all live tv to a specific path--so you can have a dedicated live tv file system |
| [01:12:34] | ** Beirdo adds -v schedule to his pile of args ** | |
| [01:12:45] | sphery: | it's really just a "so people don't complain that they can't waste X GB of space by dedicating it to live tv" thing |
| [01:12:51] | Beirdo: | Oh JEEZ |
| [01:12:55] | Beirdo: | SPPPEEEEEEWWWWW |
| [01:12:57] | wagnerrp: | sphery: yeah, but if there was only a single path, versus multiple for recordings |
| [01:13:05] | wagnerrp: | i was thinking it was a problem with the disk weighting |
| [01:13:09] | wagnerrp: | and with only a single path |
| [01:13:14] | wagnerrp: | the disk weighting would be bypassed |
| [01:13:16] | wagnerrp: | allowing it to work |
| [01:13:47] | sphery: | yeah, that's the point... live tv always goes to the dirs in the live tv sg (and most should only have a single path, meaning live tv always goes to that one dir) |
| [01:13:59] | wagnerrp: | sphery: well this means i failed the original recording, and failed the rerun as well |
| [01:14:00] | sphery: | ah, I see... you meant as a workaround |
| [01:14:01] | sphery: | nvm |
| [01:14:12] | wagnerrp: | sphery: not a work around i would implement |
| [01:14:21] | sphery: | so, you don't remember the episode based on the description |
| [01:14:23] | wagnerrp: | but as an explination why livetv works, but scheduled recording doesnt |
| [01:14:31] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [01:14:32] | wagnerrp: | no, i havent watched much of house this season |
| [01:14:41] | sphery: | right--but a workaround that someone could use until the right fix is in place |
| [01:14:43] | Beirdo: | my poor HDPVR just got cycled, and it's innocent! |
| [01:15:03] | Beirdo: | now, let's read some log spew |
| [01:15:35] | wagnerrp: | anyway, im betting the issue is in this gigantor FillRecordingDir somewhere |
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| [01:15:43] | Beirdo: | agreed |
| [01:15:56] | Newbuntu81-2: | Did you all just upgrade or patch? I'm curious why your stuff stopped working... |
| [01:16:02] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: youve fiddled in the scheduler before |
| [01:16:04] | sphery: | fill recording dir? shouldn't we leave space for recordings? ;) |
| [01:16:11] | wagnerrp: | NewBuntu81: because the change was late last night |
| [01:16:14] | wagnerrp: | less than 24 hours old |
| [01:16:26] | Beirdo: | initial weight of all 4 dirs = 0 |
| [01:16:37] | wagnerrp: | were all just getting into our recordings now |
| [01:16:55] | Beirdo: | :4499 logged |
| [01:16:59] | Beirdo: | then :4721 |
| [01:17:27] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, aye |
| [01:17:27] | sphery: | it's times like these when I really appreciate having separate dev and production systems (with production on -fixes :) |
| [01:17:51] | wagnerrp: | did you do anything with the disk scheduler, or just the recording scheduler? |
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| [01:18:17] | Beirdo: | it could be the fsInfoList.sort |
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| [01:18:45] | Beirdo: | ARGH |
| [01:18:46] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: i still dont understand why im getting no longs at all from FillRecordingDir |
| [01:18:50] | wagnerrp: | like its not even being run |
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| [01:19:07] | Beirdo: | you need -v file,schedule for much of it |
| [01:19:24] | wagnerrp: | file AND schedule? |
| [01:19:32] | Beirdo: | and there's some cout << crap in there that will be changed to VERBOSE tonight |
| [01:19:34] | wagnerrp: | i thought the way that worked was file OR schedule |
| [01:19:35] | Beirdo: | yes |
| [01:19:46] | Beirdo: | if both bits are on, you need both listed |
| [01:19:47] | wagnerrp: | either or would cause it to log |
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| [01:20:04] | wagnerrp: | well thats of limited use |
| [01:20:10] | wagnerrp: | IMHO, it should be the opposite |
| [01:20:18] | wagnerrp: | and in fact, when i implemented it in the bindings, it was the opposite |
| [01:20:28] | Beirdo: | well, that's the way it's been in the core... forever |
| [01:20:31] | Beirdo: | AFAIK |
| [01:20:49] | wagnerrp: | "these messages relate to these two areas, so if you want logging in either of these two areas, you get those messages" |
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| [01:21:38] | Beirdo: | the way it works is both set bits in a bitfield |
| [01:22:07] | Beirdo: | then you do if verbose & (file|schedule) == (file|schedule) then log |
| [01:22:21] | Beirdo: | yeah, seems backwards |
| [01:22:29] | wagnerrp: | i did verbose & (file|schedule) > 0 |
| [01:22:41] | wagnerrp: | if anything matches, pass |
| [01:22:44] | Beirdo: | anyways, gonna convert some crap to use logging here instead of cout :) |
| [01:22:50] | Beirdo: | I like your way better, TBH |
| [01:22:56] | Beirdo: | but it would cause screaming |
| [01:22:59] | wagnerrp: | although i had special handling for VB_EXTRA |
| [01:23:08] | wagnerrp: | so it was an AND |
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| [01:25:54] | Beirdo: | OK, here goes again, see if I can't catch it in the logs this time |
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| [01:27:24] | cerise8192: | 2011-06–06 18:25:15.267 PlaybackBox::play(): Error, /GetPlaybackURL/UNABLE/TO/FIND/LOCAL/FILE/ON/boogeyman/1021_20110606182100.mpg file not found |
| [01:27:31] | cerise8192: | ^-- how do I troubleshoot that? |
| [01:27:44] | cerise8192: | I can't find a file called 1021_*.mpg |
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| [01:28:06] | cerise8192: | whenever I try to play it in mythfrontend, it says the file isn't available |
| [01:28:12] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: what ThisNewGuy1 was saying about getPath() returning hostname:path |
| [01:28:14] | wagnerrp: | is that right? |
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| [01:28:21] | wagnerrp: | is that what should be in there? |
| [01:28:28] | Beirdo: | not sur |
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| [01:29:08] | wagnerrp: | because thats what shows up in the logs |
| [01:29:16] | wagnerrp: | but is not what i get when calling the backend protocol |
| [01:29:18] | wagnerrp: | which is odd |
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| [01:35:33] | ThisNewGuy1: | MainServer::BackendQueryDiskSpace sets the path to be hostname:path if the fsID == -1 |
| [01:35:51] | ThisNewGuy1: | which looks like always to me |
| [01:36:57] | Beirdo: | fsID shouldn't be -1, I don't think |
| [01:37:22] | ThisNewGuy1: | it gets set to -1 always on line 4302 |
| [01:37:44] | Beirdo: | oh, yeah, that's something else |
| [01:38:13] | Beirdo: | anyways, I'm working through the gargantuan FillRecordingDir to see what's up here |
| [01:41:01] | wagnerrp: | ThisNewGuy1: that was a bit of a shortcut, since that information will always be -1 coming into there |
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| [01:41:25] | wagnerrp: | the filesystem id isnt set until you try to consolidate them |
| [01:41:30] | wagnerrp: | which comes immediately after that block |
| [01:41:35] | Beirdo: | I think the problem may be in this pain of a function |
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| [01:41:43] | Beirdo: | 2011-06–06 18:35:58.190403 [19848] Scheduler scheduler.cpp:4337 (FillRecordingDir) – mythbe:mythbe:/opt/mythtv/video3/default,mythbe:/opt/mythtv/video3/livetv is local (0). initial dir weight = 0 |
| [01:41:44] | MythLogBot: | SVN 19848: (branch master) https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/848d5993 |
| [01:41:52] | Beirdo: | notice mythbe:mythbe: |
| [01:41:57] | ThisNewGuy1: | k |
| [01:42:14] | wagnerrp: | its like that much earlier |
| [01:42:20] | Beirdo: | so FillRecordingDir was not expecting hte hostname in what was fs->directory |
| [01:42:30] | Beirdo: | you sure? |
| [01:42:35] | wagnerrp: | mainserver.cpp:4323 |
| [01:42:43] | wagnerrp: | what ThisNewGuy1 said way way back |
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| [01:44:48] | Beirdo: | what does StorageGroup::GetDirList() return? |
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| [01:48:08] | ThisNewGuy1: | Beirdo: for me it was just the list of dirs (no hostname) |
| [01:48:39] | Beirdo: | that's what getPath() has to show for a local dir |
| [01:48:42] | pladijs: | hi there. Does someone here has any advice on a good dual dvb-t tuner? I have a hauppauge novat T now, but it doest not fare well with warm reboots and suspends. This problem has been around forever, doesn't look like it is going to be fixed soon. I'd like to avoid such issues by getting a device which is known to work perfectly (and get a dual tuner) |
| [01:48:47] | Beirdo: | otherwise this is busted |
| [01:49:58] | Beirdo: | look around :4582 in scheduler.cpp |
| [01:50:52] | Beirdo: | that second if — if (!dirlist.contains((*fslistit)->getPath())) continue; |
| [01:50:57] | Beirdo: | seems to be triggering |
| [01:51:10] | ThisNewGuy1: | yeah – I hit it every time |
| [01:52:17] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: can you make it so we have access to the raw dir separate from the hostname:dir? |
| [01:52:37] | wagnerrp: | i could, but why is it operating differently than before |
| [01:52:45] | wagnerrp: | functionally, it should be the same |
| [01:52:51] | wagnerrp: | the only difference is that i force that -1 |
| [01:53:01] | wagnerrp: | but... its always going to be -1 going into there |
| [01:53:20] | wagnerrp: | because its set as such in line 4241 |
| [01:56:14] | wagnerrp: | to be honest, i dont understand what the purpose of prepending that there is anyway |
| [01:56:39] | Beirdo: | I don't know either |
| [01:56:40] | wagnerrp: | when its used for the backend status page |
| [01:56:47] | wagnerrp: | the backend status page should be that locally |
| [01:57:06] | wagnerrp: | (which i believe is the only place it would be used) |
| [01:57:12] | Beirdo: | but it seems that the storage group dirlist and the fslist's getPath() do not match |
| [01:57:19] | wagnerrp: | ill be back in ~15 minutes |
| [01:57:56] | Beirdo: | oh right, I can't load backend status |
| [01:58:04] | Beirdo: | backend status = not running |
| [01:58:06] | Beirdo: | duh |
| [01:58:39] | Beirdo: | oooh |
| [01:58:49] | Beirdo: | Seattle Sounders vs. Manchester United |
| [01:58:59] | Beirdo: | dang right I'll take a free ticket, thanks |
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| [02:03:26] | Beirdo: | time for more debug logs |
| [02:04:59] | Beirdo: | definitely is that spot where it's bailing |
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| [02:12:41] | taylorr: | does 0.24-fixes support ISO over SGs? |
| [02:13:47] | Beirdo: | found it |
| [02:14:01] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: your one and only call to Consolidate uses merge = true |
| [02:14:12] | Beirdo: | the code it replaced did NOT have merging in it :) |
| [02:14:27] | Beirdo: | I changed the parameter to false, and it's recording |
| [02:17:35] | taylorr: | no wonder I never know about all these new branches and feature development – you guys are over here discussing, developing and showing off in front of users :) |
| [02:17:51] | hoolio: | pladijs, i use the hdhomerun http://www.silicondust.com/ |
| [02:18:00] | hoolio: | it's brilliant |
| [02:18:33] | Beirdo: | taylorr: this was an emergency fix for the "I can't record with the new FileSystemInfo changes" session :) |
| [02:18:40] | Beirdo: | emergency fix is in |
| [02:19:11] | Beirdo: | and on new-logging as well. |
| [02:19:30] | Beirdo: | now tonight when I get HOME :) I'll look at putting SIGHUP support back in |
| [02:19:36] | hoolio: | it's a networked device, so it doesn't care what your computer is doing |
| [02:19:46] | Beirdo: | and then I'm going on a witch-hunt for the use of cout and cerr |
| [02:19:47] | hoolio: | and it's supported natively within myth 0.24 |
| [02:20:18] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: i didnt implement the new FileSystemInfo::Consolidate in mythbackend did i? |
| [02:20:50] | Beirdo: | yes |
| [02:20:54] | wagnerrp: | i intended to leave the new calls out of it |
| [02:20:55] | Beirdo: | in one place |
| [02:21:05] | wagnerrp: | so they could be tested in mythmediaserver |
| [02:21:05] | Beirdo: | which I just fixed :) |
| [02:21:36] | wagnerrp: | rather than unleashing possibly broken code on an unsuspecting developer base |
| [02:21:36] | Beirdo: | https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/347fc . . . 4bcaffd030b9 |
| [02:21:42] | Beirdo: | that makes it work just fine here |
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| [02:22:00] | pladijs: | hoolio: thanks a lot, i'll check it out. |
| [02:22:05] | Beirdo: | thank you ThisNewGuy1 for noticing, sorry we didn't get what ya meant faster |
| [02:22:07] | wagnerrp: | which appears to be exactly what happened.... |
| [02:22:48] | Beirdo: | hehe, oh well. trial by fire gets stuff working too :) |
| [02:23:07] | wagnerrp: | yeah, but it pisses people off, and loses me episodes of house |
| [02:23:38] | wagnerrp: | oh wow, look at my laptop do... absolutely nothing |
| [02:23:39] | Beirdo: | true, and oh well. House will be on again,I'm sure |
| [02:23:42] | wagnerrp: | trying to view that github page |
| [02:24:02] | wagnerrp: | the CPU is at full load... |
| [02:24:05] | wagnerrp: | ah, ther eit goes |
| [02:24:15] | Beirdo: | hehe, recording... with -v file,schedule,system,extra |
| [02:24:22] | Beirdo: | my does that log spew |
| [02:25:02] | hoolio: | wagnerrp, will Mythvidexport.py remove the original recording after exporting it? |
| [02:25:09] | wagnerrp: | no |
| [02:25:12] | wagnerrp: | maybe |
| [02:25:22] | wagnerrp: | i think i left a --delete command line argument to allow it |
| [02:25:26] | wagnerrp: | but it doesnt do it by default |
| [02:25:33] | hoolio: | okies |
| [02:25:35] | wagnerrp: | and personally, i dont trust it enough to use it |
| [02:26:01] | Beirdo: | heh, and you maintain it? ;) |
| [02:26:06] | hoolio: | and i take it that the exported copy just gets put into the root of your video SG? |
| [02:26:18] | Beirdo: | I don't blame ya though, I prefer to manually delete stuff |
| [02:26:30] | wagnerrp: | no, it gets put in the path you tell it to |
| [02:26:47] | wagnerrp: | see the comments on the wiki page about the formatting? |
| [02:27:03] | hoolio: | mythvidexport.py [options] <--chanid <channel id>> <--starttime <start time>> |
| [02:27:06] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: well there are plenty of issues where it doesnt come up with a match on the grabber site |
| [02:27:12] | hoolio: | doesn't mention output file path |
| [02:27:21] | wagnerrp: | so it reverts to the 'general' output |
| [02:27:24] | Beirdo: | yeah, that would suck if it blew it away |
| [02:27:28] | wagnerrp: | which only uses the recording title, bot subtitle |
| [02:27:36] | wagnerrp: | so the first one dumps fine |
| [02:27:38] | wagnerrp: | and deletes |
| [02:27:45] | wagnerrp: | the second one overwrites the first, and deletes |
| [02:28:14] | wagnerrp: | so, i dont trust it |
| [02:28:21] | Beirdo: | OK, back to logging at system,extra |
| [02:28:29] | hoolio: | is http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Mythvidexport.py up to date? |
| [02:28:39] | Beirdo: | I'll clean up today's mayhem when I get home |
| [02:28:47] | wagnerrp: | its like... do you trust the commflagger enough to blindly follow it and clip your recordings |
| [02:28:55] | hoolio: | no :) |
| [02:29:20] | wagnerrp: | that script can be run manually with chanid and starttime |
| [02:29:26] | wagnerrp: | but it is designed to be called as a user job |
| [02:29:28] | wagnerrp: | and get the jobid |
| [02:29:42] | hoolio: | okies |
| [02:29:43] | wagnerrp: | and you see those mentions of format strings? |
| [02:29:52] | hoolio: | yes |
| [02:29:59] | wagnerrp: | movie, television, and generic |
| [02:30:03] | wagnerrp: | all get their own string |
| [02:30:14] | hoolio: | ok |
| [02:30:18] | wagnerrp: | movies are anything with no subtitle, and use the tmdb.py grabber |
| [02:30:28] | wagnerrp: | television is anything with a subtitle, and uses the ttvdb.py grabber |
| [02:30:54] | wagnerrp: | generic is anything that falls through on either of those grabbers |
| [02:31:27] | wagnerrp: | it uses the same formatting as mythlink.pl |
| [02:31:52] | wagnerrp: | you configure those strings, and they are stored in the database |
| [02:31:55] | wagnerrp: | or you use my defaults |
| [02:32:27] | hoolio: | ok |
| [02:32:39] | hoolio: | so where in all that does one define where the file should go? |
| [02:33:36] | wagnerrp: | did you read that help text? |
| [02:34:28] | hoolio: | yes; both from the wiki and at the CLI |
| [02:34:52] | wagnerrp: | and what options mentioned a 'format string' |
| [02:35:41] | hoolio: | -f, --helpformat Print explination of file format string. |
| [02:35:41] | hoolio: | not that though.. |
| [02:35:41] | hoolio: | perhaps thats it |
| [02:35:58] | wagnerrp: | --mformat, --tformat, --gformat |
| [02:36:05] | wagnerrp: | you use them with a job as a one-time override |
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| [02:36:20] | wagnerrp: | or you use them independently to replace the database entry |
| [02:36:44] | wagnerrp: | --printformat shows what they are now |
| [02:36:56] | wagnerrp: | --helpformat shows what arguments you are allowed to use |
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| [02:37:49] | hoolio: | so i'd like to run it manually in the first instance |
| [02:38:24] | wagnerrp: | if you want to configure those, rather than use the built-in defaults |
| [02:39:18] | hoolio: | i'm at the edge of my comprehension here ;) which built in defaults? |
| [02:41:07] | wagnerrp: | mythvidexport's |
| [02:41:23] | wagnerrp: | the default formatting strings to tell it where to store content to |
| [02:41:30] | hoolio: | okay |
| [02:41:37] | wagnerrp: | run with --printformat |
| [02:41:49] | hoolio: | Movies: Movies/%TITLE% |
| [02:41:55] | hoolio: | (this is a movie) |
| [02:42:27] | wagnerrp: | that means it will go to <root>/Movies/%TITLE% |
| [02:42:40] | hoolio: | okies |
| [02:42:47] | hoolio: | and <root> is the root of the video SG? |
| [02:43:00] | hoolio: | or root of the actual filesystem |
| [02:43:14] | wagnerrp: | <root> being the root of the video storage group the bindings chose to use, based off free space weighting |
| [02:43:24] | hoolio: | ok |
| [02:44:07] | hoolio: | i only have one SG for video, and it's at /var/lib/mythtv/videos/ |
| [02:44:29] | hoolio: | and my movies are at /var/lib/mythtv/videos/movies/ |
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| [02:44:55] | hoolio: | so i'd need to change the mformat to /movies/%TITLE% |
| [02:44:57] | hoolio: | ? |
| [02:46:40] | hoolio: | ./mythvidexport.py --mformat=/movies/%TITLE% --chanid=1032 --starttime=20101222213000 |
| [02:46:41] | hoolio: | ? |
| [02:46:46] | hoolio: | for a manual job |
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| [02:51:02] | wagnerrp: | do you want to use that format for just this once, or for all time? |
| [02:51:33] | hoolio: | i'd actually like it to use %TITLE%(%YEAR%) |
| [02:51:35] | hoolio: | and for all time |
| [02:51:45] | wagnerrp: | so just use --mformat |
| [02:52:03] | wagnerrp: | and that will store it in the database |
| [02:52:11] | wagnerrp: | no... other... options... |
| [02:52:18] | hoolio: | ok |
| [02:52:25] | hoolio: | thankyou for your patience |
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| [02:53:27] | hoolio: | ./mythvidexport.py --mformat="/movies/%TITLE%(%YEAR%)" |
| [02:53:27] | hoolio: | Changing Movie format to: /movies/%TITLE%(%YEAR%) |
| [02:57:07] | hoolio: | Falling back to generic export. |
| [02:57:48] | hoolio: | so i tried forcing it to use the mformat |
| [02:57:55] | hoolio: | mythvidexport.py --mformat --chanid=1032 --starttime=20101222213000 |
| [02:57:57] | hoolio: | Changing Movie format to: --chanid=1032 |
| [02:58:12] | wagnerrp: | that doesnt force it |
| [02:58:15] | hoolio: | oh |
| [02:58:19] | wagnerrp: | that tells it to use a format of nothing |
| [02:58:23] | hoolio: | ok |
| [02:58:27] | iamlindoro: | Hoooo crap Uncharted 3 is going to melt my face off |
| [02:58:40] | hoolio: | how do i force it? |
| [02:58:46] | wagnerrp: | and it will still fall back to the generic one |
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| [02:58:59] | wagnerrp: | you figure out why it didnt match in the first place |
| [02:59:22] | wagnerrp: | if the title does not exist on themoviedb.org, create it |
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| [02:59:33] | hoolio: | oh |
| [02:59:45] | wagnerrp: | and if its something that doesnt make sense to put on that side |
| [02:59:51] | wagnerrp: | you can use --listingonly |
| [03:00:00] | wagnerrp: | in which case it will not use the grabber |
| [03:00:13] | wagnerrp: | and simply use the data available from the existing EPG data |
| [03:00:28] | hoolio: | ok |
| [03:01:34] | hoolio: | if i use listing only, will it still use mformat? |
| [03:02:21] | wagnerrp: | if it knows not to use the grabber, the grabber will not fail to force it to the generic format |
| [03:02:29] | hoolio: | gotcha |
| [03:02:40] | hoolio: | i didn't know mformat relied on the grabber working |
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| [03:03:26] | hoolio: | mythvidexport.py --mformat="/movies/%TITLE%(%YEAR%)" --listingonly --chanid=1032 --starttime=20101222213000 |
| [03:03:29] | wagnerrp: | thats the whole purpose of the generic format |
| [03:03:35] | wagnerrp: | its when the grabbers fail |
| [03:03:38] | hoolio: | ok |
| [03:03:45] | wagnerrp: | and if you stored the movie format |
| [03:03:52] | wagnerrp: | you no longer have to continue providing it on the command line |
| [03:04:01] | hoolio: | ok, so i should define the generic format too |
| [03:04:04] | wagnerrp: | thats the whole purpose of allowing you to store it in the database |
| [03:04:39] | hoolio: | ok |
| [03:06:50] | hoolio: | so i set the mformat and gformat to be /movies/%TITLE%(%YEAR%) |
| [03:07:43] | wagnerrp: | if yont non-movie stuff to fall through to the movies directory |
| [03:08:08] | hoolio: | not exactly, but i won't be using it for non movies |
| [03:08:15] | hoolio: | and in this instance, there is no tmdb entry |
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| [03:33:58] | hoolio: | wagnerrp, thanks for your work on, and help with Mythvidexport.py |
| [03:34:06] | hoolio: | i appreciate it :) |
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| [03:38:20] | banyan: | Hello... ever since using kernel 2.6.35.13 I've had tuner troubles with my PVR-250 and PVR-350 cards. About 1/3 of the recordings have messed up audio (a high D buzzing loudly over hollow-sounding captured audio). Maybe 1 in 10 has scrambled video too. I've tried turning off any one of the three capture sources in an attempt to isolate the issue to one card but it's not related to just one card. Ideas? |
| [03:39:04] | banyan: | Anything that changed from F13 to F14 which I just recently updated to, that might be the source of the issue? |
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| [03:52:44] | [R]: | if its a kernel issue, its not a myth issue |
| [03:57:52] | echosyp: | if myth doesn't support the kernel hes using wouldn't that be a myth problem, i mean the kernel isn't designed to support mythtv |
| [03:59:32] | [R]: | if the driver is broken |
| [03:59:36] | [R]: | its a kernel issue |
| [04:00:00] | echosyp: | so whats to say its the driver |
| [04:00:12] | [R]: | he just said he switched kernels and it broke |
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| [04:02:48] | echosyp: | banyan, so what hes suggesting is that you check the driver for problems |
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| [04:41:04] | lapion: | hello, how do I re-add a file to mythtvideo recordings-list ? |
| [04:41:41] | wagnerrp: | mythvideo recordings? |
| [04:42:29] | lapion: | I deleted a couple of files because I thought they got lost during a fsck, while in reality the media was down , after bringing up the media again the files are still there |
| [04:42:38] | lapion: | yes mythvideo recording |
| [04:42:52] | wagnerrp: | mythvideo doesnt record |
| [04:42:58] | kisak: | minus mythvideo |
| [04:43:18] | lapion: | I mean mythtv.. |
| [04:43:39] | wagnerrp: | you dont add random videos to the recordings list |
| [04:43:45] | wagnerrp: | that is what mythvideo is for |
| [04:44:13] | lapion: | I have the original files, however the meta-info in the db is gone.. |
| [04:44:28] | wagnerrp: | right, which is why you put them in mythvideo |
| [04:45:07] | wagnerrp: | unless you happen to have a very recent copy of the database backed up that you can recover to |
| [04:45:32] | lapion: | that would entail losing more recent files.. |
| [04:46:33] | lapion: | the meta info is not stored anywhere in the meta-data of the file itself ? |
| [04:46:46] | wagnerrp: | nope |
| [04:46:49] | kisak: | why would it? |
| [04:47:50] | lapion: | well for starters so other players can also read the meta-info ? |
| [04:48:13] | wagnerrp: | how would other players know how to read the meta-info? |
| [04:48:27] | kisak: | it's highly unusual to lead a mpeg2 or mpeg4 video to be lead by database info |
| [04:48:29] | wagnerrp: | you need a standardized format for such a thing to work |
| [04:48:52] | wagnerrp: | and such a thing does not exist |
| [04:49:20] | lapion: | and of course to not have to rely on complicated procedures to copy/move files from one mythtv system to another |
| [04:49:54] | wagnerrp: | if you want to move files from one mythtv system to another, you just move the file, and change the hostname entry in the database |
| [04:51:37] | lapion: | but that cannot be done with unrelated systems ( on different networks ? |
| [04:51:59] | wagnerrp: | such a thing has never been supported |
| [04:52:22] | wagnerrp: | luckily, thats why mythtv allows you to have a shared system, running multiple frontends and backends on a single database |
| [04:53:48] | kisak: | so basicly it is possible to fabricate the set of entries in the database to manually add the recordings, however, no task is documented and the attempt is discouraged |
| [04:54:01] | wagnerrp: | basically, yes |
| [04:54:16] | banyan: | echosyp, any suggestions on how to diagnose the driver? |
| [04:54:27] | kisak: | and my gramer stinks at this time of night |
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| [04:55:21] | hoolio: | wot mean gramer |
| [04:56:06] | banyan: | If there's a driver issue I would imagine there would be a lot of people having the same problem and I would imagine someone in here would have heard of it. |
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| [04:57:24] | banyan: | unless there aren't many people still using analog standard def analog capture cards. |
| [04:57:51] | lapion: | thanks wagnerrp. |
| [04:58:50] | lapion: | late last night I deelted some files from the list that mythtv said where no longer available, before realising that maybe the media was disconnectd .. |
| [04:59:57] | lapion: | so after remounting the media the files where all there, however the db doesn't know their meta-info anymore.. |
| [05:00:18] | hoolio: | are you writing to an external hdd? |
| [05:00:54] | lapion: | e-sata.. |
| [05:02:13] | hoolio: | aha. |
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| [05:18:41] | wagnerrp: | mmm... flogging molly on conan |
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| [06:31:39] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: I guess I need to convert any bins from plugins to use the new cmdline parser too |
| [06:31:54] | Beirdo: | like mytharchivehelper |
| [06:33:22] | Beirdo: | I just keep finding more presents :) |
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| [06:49:46] | justinh: | hmm seems I missed a trick not getting into the 'pixel protector' test signals market |
| [06:50:17] | justinh: | digitally generated patterns created in a video editing program, sold on DVD for $40 apiece |
| [06:50:37] | Beirdo: | neat |
| [06:50:59] | Beirdo: | that kinda like those stickers people put on cellphones to guard from RF? |
| [06:51:13] | justinh: | I reckon so |
| [06:51:16] | justinh: | "It uses a wash tools that switch pixels on and off at a very fast rate using particular wavelengths to increase the current going to the crystals. (This is not in any way harmful)" |
| [06:51:44] | Beirdo: | heh, well, there could be some truth to it, but somehow I doubt it |
| [06:52:15] | justinh: | apparently you *can* 'fix' stuck image areas on LCDs sometimes |
| [06:52:57] | justinh: | but it won't be 'using particular wavelengths' ;-) |
| [06:53:13] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [06:53:33] | Beirdo: | ah crap |
| [06:53:52] | Beirdo: | who's the mytharchive god? |
| [06:53:59] | Beirdo: | I ferget |
| [06:54:43] | justinh: | Paul somebody.. maybe Paul H? |
| [06:54:56] | Beirdo: | looks like paul-h is the winner |
| [06:55:17] | Beirdo: | mytharchivehelper uses command line args in a way we don't elsewhere |
| [06:55:40] | Beirdo: | I think I'll be redoing it, but gotta make sure I get everywhere it's called in the process |
| [06:55:57] | Beirdo: | we have a new commandline parser after all |
| [06:57:25] | justinh: | oof don't fancy that job much ;) |
| [06:57:35] | Beirdo: | tis fun |
| [06:57:49] | Beirdo: | don't think I'll be finishing THAT tonight |
| [06:58:47] | Beirdo: | but I might as well start |
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| [07:28:28] | wagnerrp: | guard from RF? |
| [07:28:40] | [R]: | ? |
| [07:28:42] | Beirdo: | yeah, frigging crackpots |
| [07:29:00] | wagnerrp: | almost as bad as the people concerned over cancer |
| [07:29:08] | Beirdo: | same peopel |
| [07:30:30] | justinh: | mobile phones haven't been around for long enough yet for any research to be conclusive IMHO |
| [07:30:39] | [R]: | i have a wifi sensitivity! |
| [07:30:40] | [R]: | :) |
| [07:30:59] | justinh: | phones, sure.. plausible. But not wifi. those people should be put out of their misery |
| [07:31:07] | Beirdo: | well, pull the access point's antenna outta yer arse |
| [07:31:10] | [R]: | lol |
| [07:31:34] | [R]: | all the rf engineers at my work always laugh at those kind of stories |
| [07:32:08] | justinh: | needs to be at least a couple of watts of RF next to yer bonce before it's any kind of risky I reckon |
| [07:32:12] | Beirdo: | yeah, maybe a bit too much sometimes |
| [07:32:43] | justinh: | I bet those stickers work at least as well as magnetic bracelets |
| [07:33:05] | [R]: | justinh: we have a 1KW amplifier in my lab at work |
| [07:34:10] | justinh: | closest I've ever come to slapping my wife was when she bought our son a teething necklace .. an 'amber' teething necklace. Yes, amber, with its amazing magnetic properties / almost undetectable gas emmissions (take your pick) which soothe pain away |
| [07:34:43] | justinh: | [R]: I wouldn't go near an antenna I know to be fed with 1KW |
| [07:34:53] | wagnerrp: | justinh: plenty of radar operators that would have died from cancer decades ago were microwave signals really a problem |
| [07:35:20] | [R]: | justinh: i said amplifier, not antenna |
| [07:35:28] | justinh: | [R]: I know you said amplifier |
| [07:36:03] | [R]: | they want to build a rack |
| [07:36:05] | [R]: | with 4 of em in it |
| [07:36:11] | justinh: | hell, I had a 4W CB.. I know how RF can burn |
| [07:36:16] | [R]: | i told them they were crazy and i will be in the next state if they ever want to turn it on |
| [07:36:32] | [R]: | actually, its the british building it |
| [07:36:33] | [R]: | thales |
| [07:36:42] | justinh: | heh |
| [07:36:59] | justinh: | what'd be wrong with being in the same room as the amp? |
| [07:37:07] | [R]: | i want to be as far away as possible |
| [07:37:15] | [R]: | they always joke "oh, you didnt want to have kids anyway, did you?" |
| [07:37:22] | justinh: | meh |
| [07:37:39] | Beirdo: | keep yer parts off the amp, and you should be fine |
| [07:37:46] | [R]: | haha |
| [07:38:07] | [R]: | so my rant for today, rf aside, is i hate PCI |
| [07:38:13] | [R]: | who wants to join in with me |
| [07:38:21] | justinh: | it's better than ISA |
| [07:38:23] | Beirdo: | pfft. try MCA bus |
| [07:38:28] | Beirdo: | or VESA |
| [07:38:29] | [R]: | lol |
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| [07:40:36] | justinh: | actually at least the slower buses were all nicely parallel |
| [07:40:57] | justinh: | pci is some bloody awful multiplexed address & data scheme IIRC |
| [07:41:08] | justinh: | won't be as bad as PCI-e though.. shudder |
| [07:41:29] | Beirdo: | ISA was nicely multiplexed, IIRC |
| [07:41:36] | Beirdo: | it's very common |
| [07:41:42] | [R]: | i'm trying to debug a new pci host card with an existing pci device |
| [07:41:49] | [R]: | and its not very much fun |
| [07:41:59] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [07:42:09] | [R]: | lets just say they dindt fully implement pci on the existing device |
| [07:46:06] | Beirdo: | Wow, now that was fun. |
| [07:46:16] | Beirdo: | hope I didn't bork it too bad :) |
| [07:46:27] | Beirdo: | now to convert the caller |
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| [07:53:50] | wagnerrp: | holy crap, a newegg ad on tv |
| [07:53:59] | Beirdo: | wow |
| [07:54:43] | wagnerrp: | talking about their "expert" reviews like theyre of any worth |
| [07:55:21] | Beirdo: | let's go make some "expert" reviews :) |
| [07:55:37] | Beirdo: | "This card sucks" |
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| [07:56:14] | [R]: | atleast thats better than some commercials |
| [07:56:45] | [R]: | like the pointless ones about rnaodm companies or non products or somethign |
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| [08:00:40] | wagnerrp: | 'card was DOA. notches did not line up with my board, so i cut new ones with my dremel. was unable to get card to do anything. newegg did not accept card back for refund. would not buy from again.' |
| [08:00:56] | [R]: | rofl |
| [08:00:58] | [R]: | you're joking right? |
| [08:01:25] | wagnerrp: | i made that up, but i have seen things along those lines |
| [08:01:27] | Beirdo: | I've seen ones like that |
| [08:01:55] | [R]: | i once got a pci card at best buy |
| [08:01:58] | [R]: | wound up returning it |
| [08:02:05] | [R]: | they said it had "scuff" marks on it |
| [08:03:21] | wagnerrp: | you mean like the ones you get when you place it in a slot? |
| [08:06:51] | [R]: | LOL, YEHA |
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| [08:10:56] | lapion: | anyone know the current status of mythtv running on natty with regards to analog tv-cards |
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| [08:13:08] | wagnerrp: | they work? |
| [08:13:47] | wagnerrp: | 2a00? thats like, a real address |
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| [08:51:56] | justinh: | wth is natty? |
| [08:52:23] | justinh: | lapion: oh THAT. depends on what kernel it ships with, and whether or not mythtv has been patched to work with a non v4l kernel. innit |
| [08:53:34] | Beirdo: | YAY, it compiles |
| [08:57:32] | justinh: | lapion: FWIW you're better asking that kind of question in #ubuntu or #mythbuntu |
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| [09:24:26] | Beirdo: | oof |
| [09:24:37] | Beirdo: | OK, that's mytharchivehelper converted |
| [09:24:41] | Beirdo: | I hope it's right |
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| [09:29:15] | Beirdo: | ah blast it |
| [09:29:22] | Beirdo: | I need to redo the help for it |
| [09:29:27] | Beirdo: | TOMORROW! |
| [09:32:19] | Beirdo: | just finishing watching Top Gear (Vietnam episode) |
| [09:32:56] | Beirdo: | bunch of blithering idiots :) |
| [09:35:31] | seeker: | Beirdo: *funny* blithering idiots |
| [09:35:41] | Beirdo: | oh, yes, so true |
| [09:36:25] | Beirdo: | and on that fine note, I shall head to bed laughing |
| [09:38:13] | justinh: | funny? meh |
| [09:38:27] | justinh: | now so not worth the licence fee |
| [10:01:03] | stuartm: | since the obviously scripted stunts and forced silliness etc became the norm it just wasn't so funny anymore |
| [10:01:38] | stuartm: | it's now impossible to tell what's real from what's not, assuming that anything is real now (or ever was) |
| [10:04:06] | stuartm: | as someone recently commented, Hammond has regressed to a permanently giggling schoolboy, a caricature of himself |
| [10:04:14] | justinh: | setting caravans on fire can only be funny so many times |
| [10:04:22] | stuartm: | yup |
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| [10:05:14] | justinh: | I think the tipping point was the one where their 'custom MPV' thing knackered a car wash. After that it was all downhill |
| [10:05:41] | stuartm: | or 'accidentally' crashing into each other on road trips, or 'accidentally' destroying vehicles, it was maybe believable and funny the first time but not the 100th |
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| [10:08:08] | stuartm: | I'm not quite sure where the tipping point was, it might be as you said, but the point where I finally had enough was the episode where they bought James May a car only for it to be destroyed seconds later by a reversing lorry |
| [10:09:06] | stuartm: | whilst everyone pretended it was a complete accident (which just insults the viewer) |
| [10:12:08] | justinh: | the wanton destruction is a bit much for any publicly funded TV show IMHO |
| [10:12:27] | justinh: | oo look.. a 10 grand caravan... kaboom! |
| [10:26:46] | stuartm: | well to be fair they earn a LOT more back in international sales than they spend on it |
| [10:30:16] | justinh: | at least hamster got a haircut though |
| [10:33:44] | stuartm: | I can't say I would have noticed had it not been pointed out by Clarkson |
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| [11:16:49] | Kelerion: | afternoon pips |
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| [11:40:01] | lapion: | thanks justinh |
| [11:41:26] | lapion: | justinh, un maverick meerkat analog works with kernel 2.6.38 |
| [11:42:20] | lapion: | justinh, however without a rebuild |
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| [13:47:38] | sphery: | wow, 3TB Hitachi for $159.99 with promo code EMCKDKC24 at http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822145472 --almost at $0.05/GB, now |
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| [13:53:39] | taylorr: | sphery: what's the idle timeout on those :) |
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| [14:19:42] | sphery: | taylorr: heh, pretty sure that one's not even trying to be green--it's a 7200rpm one, even :) |
| [14:20:14] | wagnerrp: | wow, $160 for a 7200rpm? |
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| [14:25:01] | wagnerrp: | sphery: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822145493 |
| [14:26:02] | sphery: | wow, so 3TB@5400 for $139.99 , which is $0.0467/GB |
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| [14:29:51] | digitlman: | I am looking at this for a case: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129034 |
| [14:30:00] | digitlman: | anybody have any thoughts on it? |
| [14:30:13] | sphery: | heh, 70% of Android phones returned to Motorola as bad are only failing to work properly/showing terrible performance because of poorly-designed/implemented apps the user installed from Android Marketplace. |
| [14:30:15] | digitlman: | lots of positive reviews on NewEgg |
| [14:30:59] | wagnerrp: | ive never had any problems with antec |
| [14:31:10] | digitlman: | cool |
| [14:31:16] | sphery: | digitlman: My only comment is that you may want to consider an alternative approach. If you put the MythTV box in some room/closet/cabinet out of view (and, ideally, out of the viewing room), you can get a cheap case (and your box can be as big, loud, and ugly as you desire). |
| [14:31:43] | digitlman: | sphery: it will be front and center in the livign room ;-) |
| [14:31:48] | wagnerrp: | yeah, i wouldnt want something even that big on my shelf |
| [14:32:01] | digitlman: | my biggest desire was a case with lots of room, and an 80+ certified ps |
| [14:32:03] | sphery: | yeah, just mentioning that if you can put it elsewhere, there are many benefits |
| [14:32:13] | sphery: | though 80+ PSU is a very good thing :) |
| [14:32:37] | digitlman: | I already have some of the elements |
| [14:32:49] | digitlman: | Ahttp://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157252 |
| [14:32:55] | wagnerrp: | you require an all-in-one box? |
| [14:32:57] | digitlman: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116394 |
| [14:33:07] | digitlman: | I would like one, wagnerrp |
| [14:33:19] | digitlman: | Right now the system is idling at around 45 watts |
| [14:33:29] | digitlman: | with an older ps and test drive |
| [14:33:31] | wagnerrp: | sounds a bit high |
| [14:33:36] | sphery: | wagnerrp: http://www.2d-glasses.com/ ... now that's progress |
| [14:33:53] | digitlman: | it is a really old ps |
| [14:33:55] | wagnerrp: | although with an older PSU, running at that low power output |
| [14:33:58] | wagnerrp: | i could believe it |
| [14:34:03] | digitlman: | yep |
| [14:34:06] | digitlman: | this is just for testing |
| [14:34:25] | digitlman: | am am quite impressed by the mb/cpu combo so far |
| [14:34:47] | sphery: | note that if your system idles at 45W with a non-80-plus PSU, it likely needs a low-wattage psu to be within the 20%-100% load range for 80 PLUS |
| [14:35:18] | digitlman: | right |
| [14:35:28] | sphery: | so, if you have >225W PSU, you'd be under 20% load at 45W, but since that 45W is likely including inefficiencies, you probably need more like a 150W or 175W PSU to be in range |
| [14:35:38] | digitlman: | hrmmm.... |
| [14:36:02] | sphery: | with that 380W PSU, say a 35W load would be just under 10% load |
| [14:36:21] | digitlman: | the antec website was messed up yesterday so I couldn't look at the specs in detail |
| [14:36:34] | sphery: | then again, you /do/ need a PSU that can achieve the required output for the system under full load, so you need some measurements of the top end |
| [14:36:49] | sphery: | I'm going off the newegg page for the 380W |
| [14:36:52] | sphery: | (details tab) |
| [14:37:17] | digitlman: | it doesn't say if it gold, bronze, or siilver 80+.... |
| [14:37:42] | digitlman: | looks like just the baseline |
| [14:37:58] | digitlman: | so at 20% load, itr will be 80% |
| [14:38:09] | digitlman: | hrmm |
| [14:38:29] | sphery: | yeah, I tend to buy just 80 PLUS. IMHO, the difference between base and upper levels isn't generally worth the cost. |
| [14:38:57] | sphery: | 80 plus guarantees 80% /or higher/ efficiency within the entire range from 20% to 100% load |
| [14:39:02] | digitlman: | right |
| [14:39:08] | sphery: | you can find individual graphs at 80plus.org |
| [14:39:27] | digitlman: | it looked to be more expensive to buy a case and then buy a separate 80+ g,s, B, or P ps |
| [14:39:42] | digitlman: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/80_PLUS ;-) |
| [14:40:13] | sphery: | heh, there's a company making 80 plus psu's called "Autec" |
| [14:40:21] | digitlman: | I'm going to put a 2.5 HDD in it for the final build, so that should be reduced power... |
| [14:41:06] | sphery: | digitlman: http://www.plugloadsolutions.com/80PlusPowerS . . . 6&type=2 , so assuming an EA-380, it's 82.76% at 20%/84.81% at 50%/80.52% at 100% load |
| [14:41:12] | wagnerrp: | you dont wan ta 2.5"n drive for recording |
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| [14:41:25] | digitlman: | no? |
| [14:41:29] | digitlman: | why not? |
| [14:41:32] | wagnerrp: | expensive |
| [14:41:41] | digitlman: | well, yeah |
| [14:41:43] | digitlman: | a bit more |
| [14:41:49] | digitlman: | for the GB |
| [14:41:52] | sphery: | even the EA-380D green is basically the same (better at 100%), and the EA-380 BRONZE is really not much different |
| [14:42:07] | wagnerrp: | and they consume more power for the same amount of space |
| [14:42:11] | digitlman: | a green 3.5 hdd maybe then |
| [14:42:18] | digitlman: | ok thanks wagnerrp |
| [14:44:29] | sphery: | digitlman: why I don't pay extra for bronze/silver/gold: EA-380 (standard) vs EA-380 BRONZE @20% load is 82.76% vs 82.17%, @50% load is 84.81% vs 85.18%, @100% load is 80.52% vs 82.83% |
| [14:44:53] | sphery: | IMHO, the differences are "rounding error" :) |
| [14:44:55] | digitlman: | ok, the manual says that the ps is just 80 plus with the EA-380 |
| [14:45:13] | digitlman: | sounds reasonable sphery |
| [14:45:22] | sphery: | yeah, that will definitely be over-spec'ed for a low-power system |
| [14:45:31] | digitlman: | like recording sounds about 44Khz...you are not gonig to be able to tell the diff |
| [14:45:36] | digitlman: | about = above |
| [14:45:51] | sphery: | unfortunately, 80 plus doesn't test below 20% load, so you can't really tell how it does at load under 76W |
| [14:46:00] | digitlman: | 76 w |
| [14:46:04] | digitlman: | hrmm |
| [14:46:09] | digitlman: | well.... |
| [14:46:25] | digitlman: | what's everybody's fav value case w/o a ps? |
| [14:46:43] | digitlman: | maybe one of those and then drop in an 80 + silver or plat |
| [14:46:58] | wagnerrp: | unfortunately, its rare to find a 150W 80+ PSU |
| [14:47:00] | digitlman: | actually, that won't matter either, will it? |
| [14:47:17] | digitlman: | chances are I'll still be in the same boat |
| [14:47:25] | digitlman: | hang on a min... |
| [14:47:36] | sphery: | yeah, under 20% load, you have no idea how they perform |
| [14:48:05] | digitlman: | right, doesn't mater if they are gold or anyting |
| [14:48:10] | sphery: | probably better with any 80 plus (standard, bronze, silver, gold, platinum) than with non-80-plus (which are typically very v-shaped graphs) |
| [14:48:51] | digitlman: | probably the best it's goig to get, right |
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| [14:49:25] | sphery: | yeah, if you overspec, at least do it with 80 plus |
| [14:49:39] | digitlman: | right |
| [14:49:58] | sphery: | but if you can find a nice 80 plus at 150 or 175W and you know your high-end draw is under there, ... |
| [14:50:16] | digitlman: | ...I'd have to get a different case? |
| [14:50:31] | sphery: | if you're set on that case, that psu isn't bad |
| [14:50:40] | digitlman: | I'm not |
| [14:50:52] | digitlman: | I'm hoping you guys might offer some alts |
| [14:50:52] | sphery: | but if you want to consider other cases, ... |
| [14:51:36] | wagnerrp: | how many tuners? discrete video? |
| [14:51:43] | sphery: | lowest I can find on newegg is 250W 80 plus |
| [14:51:49] | digitlman: | 2 max with GMA |
| [14:52:07] | sphery: | so at that point, you'll be under 20% on anything, so the 380W probably isn't that bad |
| [14:52:56] | digitlman: | I read a review where they had a smaller ps that was still 80 plus...if i can find it... |
| [14:52:59] | sphery: | digitlman: or, you can do as I do to make sure you're within the 20%-80% range--just run SETI@home to keep your load high |
| [14:53:28] | sphery: | of course, that means higher draw and more electricity/cost :) |
| [14:53:50] | sphery: | (SETI@home seems to be costing me at least $1.50/system/month) |
| [14:53:51] | digitlman: | how crazy is that? Run a higher load to ensure more efficiency? |
| [14:53:53] | digitlman: | lol |
| [14:53:56] | sphery: | heh |
| [14:55:01] | sphery: | btw, that was a joke--you'll use more power for seti@home than you waste at lower efficiency, so it will cost more |
| [14:55:13] | digitlman: | i know |
| [14:55:31] | digitlman: | but it'll be the first mythtv box that also runs prime95 24/7! |
| [14:55:32] | digitlman: | lol |
| [14:55:49] | sphery: | wagnerrp: should you mention to superm1 that ideally it would be dedicated frontends only (i.e. not installed for users with combined frontend/backend systems) |
| [14:55:58] | wagnerrp: | i got an email from seti, wanting me to run more woooooooork units |
| [14:56:21] | sphery: | since I'm assuming the packages will install the start script for it when they install mythmediaserver |
| [14:56:30] | sphery: | (at least until I get our daemon runner finished) |
| [14:57:57] | wagnerrp: | i dont think ive submitted once since.... 2002? |
| [14:59:19] | sphery: | heh, let's see... I've done 5000 (even) classic work units (at 54,300 (even) hours)--I planned my switchover specifically to hit 5K work units, and have 3,601,621 credits on the new seti@home |
| [14:59:56] | wagnerrp: | im only at a few hundred |
| [14:59:58] | sphery: | puts me at 15,513 of 2,205,828 users |
| [15:00:27] | sphery: | more credit than 99.06293% of users |
| [15:01:01] | sphery: | wow, my total credit graph shows when I'm home and when I'm traveling (since I turn off 3 systems when traveling) |
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| [15:07:18] | digitlman: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817103047 |
| [15:07:27] | digitlman: | that's about where I need to be, I think |
| [15:07:40] | digitlman: | that puts the lower 50watts for 80% |
| [15:09:59] | digitlman: | so, what suggestions for a non-ps equipped case do you have? |
| [15:12:10] | CyberKnet: | digitlman: you were asking about case without a PS? |
| [15:12:22] | digitlman: | yes |
| [15:12:26] | CyberKnet: | for display, for compact, for large size? |
| [15:12:34] | digitlman: | for value ;-) |
| [15:12:39] | CyberKnet: | hahaha |
| [15:12:40] | digitlman: | nothing fancy |
| [15:12:57] | CyberKnet: | so... not this? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?It . . . =HTPC%208000 |
| [15:13:02] | CyberKnet: | :) |
| [15:13:22] | digitlman: | I'll put it next to my diamond-encrusted toilet! |
| [15:13:42] | CyberKnet: | I like the antec Nine Hundred and Twelve Hundred cases... but they're not cheaper. |
| [15:13:49] | wagnerrp: | sphery: have you seen anything about these bluecherry recorders? |
| [15:13:51] | CyberKnet: | I *really* like the Twelve Hundred |
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| [15:14:16] | digitlman: | are those htpc cases or regular atx cases? |
| [15:14:20] | CyberKnet: | regular ATX |
| [15:14:31] | digitlman: | what about htpc cases? |
| [15:14:57] | wagnerrp: | the 900/1200 cases are gaudy |
| [15:15:02] | CyberKnet: | I don't track any. I happened to be looking at the wooden one yesterday. |
| [15:15:10] | digitlman: | lol |
| [15:15:12] | CyberKnet: | wagnerrp: if they could get rid of the LEDs they'd be perfect for me. |
| [15:15:22] | CyberKnet: | wagnerrp: can't stand the LEDs personally, but love the cases. |
| [15:15:36] | CyberKnet: | Just not handy enough myself to remove them. |
| [15:16:18] | wagnerrp: | if it glows, it blows |
| [15:16:26] | CyberKnet: | wagnerrp: I'm with you there. |
| [15:16:32] | CyberKnet: | sphery: is that total credit graph public? |
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| [15:17:45] | digitlman: | so, no value htpc case w/o ps recommendations? |
| [15:18:20] | wagnerrp: | CyberKnet: im a P1xx fan personally |
| [15:21:21] | wagnerrp: | although, heres my current favorite... http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811163162 |
| [15:21:34] | wagnerrp: | (aside from the price) |
| [15:21:38] | digitlman: | ouch |
| [15:21:40] | digitlman: | $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ |
| [15:21:42] | digitlman: | wow |
| [15:23:23] | wagnerrp: | im a sucker for unassuming cases with thoughtful design |
| [15:25:52] | digitlman: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811163174 |
| [15:25:57] | digitlman: | basic silverstone |
| [15:26:28] | digitlman: | add my 80+ Sparkle ps...might bo ok |
| [15:27:16] | wagnerrp: | but thats just a bland case with a bunch of holessssssssssssssssssssssssssss |
| [15:27:23] | digitlman: | lol |
| [15:27:25] | digitlman: | yep |
| [15:27:35] | digitlman: | and even so it's $60 |
| [15:28:27] | jams: | i just got this case http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811163162 |
| [15:28:39] | jams: | really like it so far |
| [15:28:44] | digitlman: | again with the $250 cases! |
| [15:28:44] | wagnerrp: | sure, its a proficient enough case, but wheres the love |
| [15:28:46] | digitlman: | lol |
| [15:29:07] | digitlman: | wagnerrp: I'll add stickers for more BLING |
| [15:30:11] | wagnerrp: | that $250 case has no bling |
| [15:30:16] | jams: | really wish there was more innovation with cases. Seems they haven't really changed in years |
| [15:30:25] | sphery: | CyberKnet: heh, it may well be... I'm going to have to improve my house defenses, now. |
| [15:30:40] | wagnerrp: | its about as plain on the outside as you can find |
| [15:30:46] | sphery: | wagnerrp: haven't heard about the bluecherry recorders |
| [15:31:29] | wagnerrp: | sphery: some open source DVR recorder |
| [15:31:52] | wagnerrp: | im waiting for someone to ask if theyre the 'perfect' capture card for mythtv |
| [15:31:54] | sphery: | like these guys: http://store.bluecherry.net/ |
| [15:32:00] | wagnerrp: | theyre set upppp like the old plextor units |
| [15:32:10] | wagnerrp: | hardware video encoding, software audio capture |
| [15:32:13] | sphery: | ah, these guys: http://store.bluecherry.net/categories/Captur . . . x-supported/ |
| [15:32:22] | devinheitmueller: | It's really not clear to me why that announcement warranted an article on Slashdot. |
| [15:32:22] | sphery: | aren't they designed for security systems? |
| [15:32:35] | devinheitmueller: | sphery: they aren't tuners. They capture composite/s-video. |
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| [15:33:10] | wagnerrp: | devinheitmueller: i recall you mentioning disgust about the way the plextors were set up |
| [15:33:16] | sphery: | ah, you mean: http://www.bluecherrydvr.com/ |
| [15:33:28] | sphery: | too many bluecherry places out there |
| [15:33:43] | sphery: | "Stop paying ridiculous licensing fees for Windows." |
| [15:33:43] | devinheitmueller: | Yeah, the design of the Plextor is pretty annoying. |
| [15:33:55] | sphery: | heh, Windows licensing fees are tiny... especially if you get it OEM |
| [15:34:06] | devinheitmueller: | The notion of the audio not being muxed into the H.264 stream is just a fatally broken design. |
| [15:34:13] | sphery: | the worst reaseon /ever/ for using GNU/Linux is Windows licensing fees |
| [15:34:35] | wagnerrp: | yeah, i always thought that was pretty screwy |
| [15:34:54] | sphery: | (at least for an individual--for a company mass-producing a ton of devices, it might be one reason to consider, but still can't be the only reason to choose GNU/Linux) |
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| [15:35:55] | sphery: | so I think the bluecherrydvr site is actually using the bluecherry site hardware stuff... and it seems to still be a security system type thing |
| [15:36:00] | devinheitmueller: | I just don't get why it warranted a Slashdot article. There are other H.264 encoders supported under Linux, there are other companies contributing drivers to Linux, the device only does standard def. So it's not clear what part is revolutionary enough to warrant a Slashdot post. |
| [15:36:01] | digitlman: | ok, ordered the case and ps from Newegg |
| [15:36:44] | techmik: | is anyone using the "semi" suppported usb tuner sticks from avermedia? |
| [15:37:18] | devinheitmueller: | The drivers Avermedia ships for Linux both are a blatent violation of the GPL as well as don't work against current kernels. |
| [15:37:22] | sphery: | devinheitmueller: guess for them, the type of progress you guys see as negligible is a big thing? :) |
| [15:37:33] | devinheitmueller: | sphery: I guess. |
| [15:37:46] | sphery: | wow, interesting about Avermedia |
| [15:37:55] | techmik: | i used these instructions, and it did seems to get loaded, and tvtime was showing a picture....http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/AVerMedia_A . . . g_it_to_work |
| [15:37:59] | wagnerrp: | devinheitmueller: never heard about a slashvertisement? |
| [15:38:02] | sphery: | is that true of even the PCI card drivers, like A180? |
| [15:38:29] | devinheitmueller: | The driver they ship leverages GPL'd LinuxTV drivers for a bunch of the functionality, but then they link it against closed source drivers for certain components. |
| [15:38:33] | techmik: | tho i have the h826, not h827 |
| [15:38:39] | devinheitmueller: | sphery: I cannot speak to the A180. |
| [15:39:14] | devinheitmueller: | I don't know their product matrix well enough to discuss specific models. If it's upstream, then it's not done by them and it's fine with the GPL. If they have drivers posted on their website, they're closed source and link against GPL components. |
| [15:39:30] | techmik: | i THINK it works, as i did get it loaded and it is detected in mythtv-setup |
| [15:39:44] | techmik: | but |
| [15:40:05] | techmik: | i cant find any channels, and its probably my error in the setup |
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| [15:40:34] | ** CyberKnet considers h.264 encoders ** | |
| [15:40:54] | sphery: | Ah, OK. The A180 drivers are all in the kernel distro, but didn't know if they were doing funky things with firmware blobs or such. Regardless, if they're in violation of GPL with any of their stuff, I'm not going to buy Avermedia of any type... I just happen to know a guy with A180s (got them back before Hauppauge had anything good for ATSC). |
| [15:41:21] | techmik: | i bought it when i was only using windows, i am new to linux... |
| [15:41:27] | techmik: | now i dont wanna waste it |
| [15:41:31] | wagnerrp: | CyberKnet: what for? |
| [15:41:51] | CyberKnet: | wagnerrp: a distraction from contemplating my navel? |
| [15:41:55] | CyberKnet: | ;) |
| [15:42:18] | sphery: | techmik: FWIW, IMHO, wasting a cheap piece of hardware (by selling it on ebay or similar) is much more efficient than wasting days or weeks or months of your time trying to make a not-ideal capture card work with MythTV |
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| [15:42:59] | CyberKnet: | wagnerrp: I've always used MPEG2 encoders (PVR-500, HVR-2250) so I've never given thought to a h.264 encoder. |
| [15:43:10] | ** CyberKnet likes hauppauge gear. ** | |
| [15:43:31] | wagnerrp: | CyberKnet: well theres no reason to give it thought, since you dont really have a choice in the matter |
| [15:43:44] | wagnerrp: | if you want SD, you get the MPEG2 IVTV gear |
| [15:43:51] | sphery: | wagnerrp: you can use them as hardware transcoders... record your ATSC and get "big" MPEG-2 files, then have your mythtv box play those MPEG-2 recordings overnight and output to an HD-PVR, which is then a hardware transcoder. |
| [15:43:54] | wagnerrp: | if you want HD, you get the h264 HDPVR |
| [15:44:00] | sphery: | it's more efficient because it's a hardware encoder :) |
| [15:44:22] | devinheitmueller: | wagnerrp: The HD-PVR can H.264 encode SD as well, but who would spend money on that? |
| [15:44:47] | wagnerrp: | devinheitmueller: right, you would only bother if you already had one connected to your cable box for HD |
| [15:44:51] | sphery: | but it's H.264... imagine all the space I'll save for my SDTV recordings |
| [15:44:54] | devinheitmueller: | The PCTV Broadway will actually also generate H.264 SD. |
| [15:45:09] | devinheitmueller: | wagnerrp: yes, I would imagine so. |
| [15:45:14] | sphery: | when a 2TB HDD goes for $59.99 or $69.99 and a 3TB HDD goes for $134.99, you have to find a way to save some of that precious space |
| [15:45:30] | wagnerrp: | i mean your use caase dictates the product, which in turn dictates the format |
| [15:45:36] | wagnerrp: | you dont get a choice in the format |
| [15:45:54] | techmik: | what i do now is boot my laptop into windows, play the cable box dvr i want to transfer, record using the aver media center (windows media center sucks for this)... i end up with a 3.5gb file for a 1 hr hd recording...... |
| [15:46:01] | sphery: | I'm still amazed at how many users just presume that transcoding is something they should be doing |
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| [15:46:17] | techmik: | then i use mc-tv converter to change it to a 5oomb mp4 |
| [15:46:26] | wagnerrp: | techmik: meaning youre doing analog capture? |
| [15:46:38] | wagnerrp: | you want a hardware encoding hauppauge for that |
| [15:46:43] | devinheitmueller: | I'm actually pretty happy with the Broadway, since it will output H.264 from the start, eliminating the need to transcode and avoiding the risks associated with losing audio sync. |
| [15:46:48] | techmik: | usb? |
| [15:46:58] | techmik: | i mean i prefer usb |
| [15:47:04] | wagnerrp: | look for a PVR-USB2 or HVR-1950 |
| [15:47:05] | techmik: | if possible |
| [15:47:08] | devinheitmueller: | The only USB product Hauppauge makes with an encoder is the HVR-1950. |
| [15:47:26] | devinheitmueller: | If you need DVB-T/PAL, then it's the 1900. |
| [15:47:33] | devinheitmueller: | s/1900/HVR-1900/ |
| [15:47:34] | wagnerrp: | s/makes/makes currently/ |
| [15:47:40] | techmik: | nah, in the us |
| [15:47:42] | techmik: | no pal |
| [15:47:43] | devinheitmueller: | wagnerrp: correct. |
| [15:47:48] | wagnerrp: | although i would bet the old PVR-USB2 is still pretty pricey on ebay |
| [15:47:55] | devinheitmueller: | Good question, I don't know. |
| [15:50:25] | CyberKnet: | wagnerrp: why wouldn't someone use a HVR-2250 for HD if they only needed QAM or ATSC? |
| [15:50:53] | wagnerrp: | CyberKnet: because at $120, its actually not a bad price for a dual tuner card |
| [15:51:29] | wagnerrp: | oh, i was talking about video capture |
| [15:51:32] | CyberKnet: | Oh, ok. |
| [15:51:36] | wagnerrp: | not tuners |
| [15:51:39] | CyberKnet: | what you are saying makes sense. |
| [15:52:52] | CyberKnet: | I thought for some reason there was a reason people shouldn't get a 2250 and I was confused since i run one and like it a lot. (although my next will likely be an HDPVR) |
| [15:52:56] | techmik: | yes, i would very much appreciate an opinion on a good usb tuner that will work.... it is, along with netflix, the *only* thing i need windows for anymore.... |
| [15:53:41] | techmik: | i 1st started using linux in september, and i have finally gotten to the point where i am ready to be free of bill gates... |
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| [15:54:04] | sphery: | fwiw, can do netflix with a roku or wii or ps3 or xbox 360 (+ xbox live) |
| [15:54:29] | techmik: | i have an xbox on my network |
| [15:54:46] | techmik: | it connects to linux? |
| [15:54:51] | techmik: | i had no idea |
| [15:54:55] | CyberKnet: | sphery: the +xbl requirement for netflix never made sense to me other than as an MS money maker |
| [15:55:12] | sphery: | no, you'd hit the Input button on your remote to switch to the XBox 360 and then use that to stream your netflix |
| [15:55:22] | sphery: | but only if you have an XBox Live Gold subscription |
| [15:55:41] | CyberKnet: | which is crap |
| [15:55:52] | sphery: | CyberKnet: agreed... it's idiotic--but for some reason they're selling xboxes better than sony is selling ps3s |
| [15:56:06] | techmik: | i do, but that xbox is hooked up to a tv in the living room, not my office or bedroom where the desktop and laptop are used... |
| [15:56:23] | sphery: | things like the huge number of bugs in PS3 Fallout New Vegas plus the sony hacking troubles likely aren't helping sony |
| [15:56:45] | CyberKnet: | sphery: true. I think I'd rather pay $100 for a Roku once than $50 / year for XBL Gold.... and I have both a 360, and have had XBL Gold previously. |
| [15:57:05] | sphery: | techmik: ah, yeah, you need a "NetFlix approved/licensed" device or Windows/Mac to stream NetFlix |
| [15:57:23] | CyberKnet: | had XBL Gold for years... only killed it last year when I realized I was playing less than once a month after our daughter got here. |
| [15:57:33] | techmik: | ok, so i use virtualbox for netflix, no problem =) |
| [15:57:56] | techmik: | but i need to be able to record from my cable box, so i really wanna get mythtv working |
| [15:58:07] | sphery: | CyberKnet: yeah, if you're not playing xbox 360 online games, buying XBL just for NetFlix would be crazy... then again, paying for xbl just to play online games on xbox 360 is pretty crazy |
| [15:58:29] | techmik: | then i dont need to ever boot windows, just use the vm windows for netflix |
| [15:59:05] | CyberKnet: | sphery: that's what I ended up deciding, yes. |
| [15:59:16] | sphery: | CyberKnet: I've never understood why MS charges so much for the XBox 360 HDDs... The /only/ purpose for the HDD is to store content you've purchased from XBox Live Marketplace, so doesn't making HDD space cheap actually encourage XBL Marketplace purchases |
| [15:59:17] | CyberKnet: | I have better things to spend money on... like Schedules Direct! |
| [15:59:25] | CyberKnet: | speaking of which... I think I'm up for renewal. |
| [15:59:38] | CyberKnet: | sphery: true that. |
| [15:59:40] | sphery: | yeah, I still have my XBL gold sub, but I'm getting less and less value from it each year |
| [16:00:00] | sphery: | I just renewed my SD membership :) |
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| [16:00:16] | CyberKnet: | sphery: I guess they like to take money every which way they can. They see that customers filling up small hard drives as a money making potential ... that customers will buy a bigger hard drive rather than stop buying content. |
| [16:00:20] | sphery: | so I'm good 'til Jun 21, 2012 |
| [16:00:27] | CyberKnet: | sphery: I am betting they have a tone of people that do it around this date :) |
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| [16:01:03] | sphery: | am thinking of getting 2x3mo subs next year--that will get me through Dec 21, 2012, meaning I'll have wasted $0.00 on Schedules Direct membership (since the world ends Dec 21, 2012) |
| [16:01:17] | CyberKnet: | hahahah |
| [16:02:28] | sphery: | oh, it's 2-mo "extended trial" memberships... so 3x2mo |
| [16:02:32] | ** CyberKnet wonders when SD will give us the option to auto-renew our memberships ** | |
| [16:02:44] | sphery: | I'll have an extra $5 in my pocket when the world ends! |
| [16:02:52] | CyberKnet: | I like that they don't do it by default... but I can't see the day I decide not to pay it any more! |
| [16:03:08] | sphery: | yeah, can you set it up through google checkout or paypal to auto-renew? |
| [16:03:18] | CyberKnet: | I don't know |
| [16:03:50] | CyberKnet: | on the dev side i know that other payment providers (like authorize.net) support subscription payments |
| [16:04:04] | CyberKnet: | but I don't know about for google checkout or paypal. I'm sure they would have to. |
| [16:04:54] | CyberKnet: | aw heck. too many invalid login attempts in 15 minutes. |
| [16:05:07] | CyberKnet: | that's what you get for havign two primary logins you use everywhere and three potential passwords. |
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| [16:07:26] | sphery: | heh |
| [16:07:54] | sphery: | I have a different password for every site--it's far too common for me to do something stupid like paste a password into IRC, so I need to be able to easily change passwords. |
| [16:08:14] | CyberKnet: | hahaha |
| [16:08:20] | sphery: | of course, if I didn't have so many passwords, they wouldn't be in a file from which I copy/paste, so... |
| [16:09:02] | CyberKnet: | I need to create a javascript-based hashing algorithm that takes the website name and generates a password. Then make a web front end to it that is protected by a master password that I get to hope for dear earth that I never paste somewhere important. |
| [16:09:33] | CyberKnet: | hehehe |
| [16:10:36] | sphery: | or, better, do a hash table with a lookup of an auto-generated password (using something like mkpasswd from expect or mkpasswd.pl (where I think it may not have the .pl by default, but it does on mine, so I don't overwrite the expect one) |
| [16:10:53] | sphery: | that way you can change the password in the file the web site is using to provide the lookups if you need to |
| [16:11:35] | sphery: | of course, that requires server-side code, but ... |
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| [16:23:24] | techmik: | i had a weird issue..... if i try to run mythtv-setup on the actual host, it says it needs to shutdown backend, i say ok, it asks for sudo password to shutdown backend..... from there, if i press *either* ok or cancel, the popup doesnt go away, mouse moves but does nothing, keyboard no work,....... must hard reset.... but...... i can successfully run mythtv-setup from ther laptop if i ssh -X into the desktop with the backend..... |
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| [16:24:31] | iamlindoro: | techmik: That's not actually mythtv, we don't provide that functionality that's a wrapper script in mythbuntu. #ubuntu-mythtv may be able to help you better than we can |
| [16:24:52] | techmik: | is there another way to "setup"? |
| [16:25:12] | iamlindoro: | It's still our setup, it's just their wrapper script around it |
| [16:25:16] | techmik: | ah |
| [16:25:25] | iamlindoro: | you might try mythtv-setup.real, which sidesteps the wrapper script |
| [16:25:39] | iamlindoro: | Though you *should* still shut down your backend |
| [16:25:44] | sphery: | but if you do that, make sure you properly... ^^^ |
| [16:25:49] | techmik: | well, i *can* acees it over ssh, so it works, but i need to get channels.... |
| [16:25:50] | ** sphery is slow ** | |
| [16:25:53] | iamlindoro: | ie "sudo stop mythtv-backend" or whatever |
| [16:25:55] | techmik: | ah |
| [16:25:58] | techmik: | -real |
| [16:26:03] | techmik: | never heard of that =) |
| [16:26:05] | iamlindoro: | no, .real |
| [16:26:36] | iamlindoro: | They rename mythtv-setup to mythtv-setup.real, then they name their script mythtv-setup, which performs shutdown tasks and spawns real mythtv-setup |
| [16:27:03] | techmik: | ok, so shutdown manually, then run .real |
| [16:27:33] | iamlindoro: | That's how you would sidestep the script, yeah |
| [16:27:45] | techmik: | excellent, thanks! |
| [16:27:53] | iamlindoro: | Though if there's an issue with the wrapper, I'm sure they'd like to know |
| [16:28:04] | iamlindoro: | (and/or they may have seen it before and could tell you what might be going wrong) |
| [16:28:15] | techmik: | odd thatit only freezes when run on its host.... |
| [16:28:37] | techmik: | i will jump in that channel too |
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| [16:37:14] | jsmith396: | I'm having trouble (?) with EIT information... |
| [16:37:25] | jsmith396: | my log says "EITHelper added 40,000" events, but my program table only has 8000 entries. |
| [16:43:31] | jsmith396: | hmmm... nobody around? |
| [16:43:55] | sphery: | I don't know that an EIT event corresponds to a program table entry |
| [16:44:12] | sphery: | and it's quite possible that EIT data includes updates of existing entries and such |
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| [16:45:06] | jsmith396: | hmm... here's another question – how does the eit_cache table relate to the program table ? |
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| [16:45:14] | sphery: | and if you're in the US, that you get /any/ EIT data is something to be thankful for |
| [16:45:27] | sphery: | generally in the US, you can expect about 12hrs of data and nothing more |
| [16:45:52] | sphery: | so you should really consider getting a membership to Schedules Direct ( http://schedulesdirect.org/ ) and getting useful listings data |
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| [16:46:33] | sphery: | eit_cache just stores information that EIT finds and it is then parsed and put into program table as appropriate |
| [16:47:11] | jsmith396: | so EPG information first goes into eit_cache and is later added to the program table? |
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| [16:52:28] | tgm4883: | Schedules Direct FTW! |
| [16:54:23] | jsmith396: | my provider has a 9-day EPG so that's not the problem... |
| [16:54:33] | jsmith396: | does mythtv limit how quickly it adds EIT or anything like that? |
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| [16:58:41] | sphery: | jsmith396: how do you know that EIT has 9 days coverage |
| [16:59:09] | jsmith396: | I'm using dvbsnoop to verify the tables |
| [16:59:26] | sphery: | jsmith396: usually, providers (especially cable or satellite providers) have their own tech for distributing the EPG and do /not/ provide useful EIT data (only the FCC-required minimums) so that they can "encourage" you to use their hardware |
| [17:00:00] | sphery: | and network/OTA in the US only does FCC-required minimum because they can't afford to do better |
| [17:00:41] | jsmith396: | ok – i just want to make sure that's the issue though... |
| [17:00:57] | jsmith396: | does mythtv limit how quickly it adds EIT information? I'm looking at a SetEITRate() function ... |
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| [17:01:14] | sphery: | well, if you want to see if it's just MythTV, then try something that's not MythTV, like a TV that does EIT data collection/browsing or something? |
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| [17:01:42] | sphery: | but, no, MythTV, when configured with active scanning, just scans the channels for EIT data and puts in whatever it finds |
| [17:02:26] | sphery: | and if the provider has data that you see via dvbsnoop, but it's not distributed according to EIT specs (i.e. because the cable co has its own hardware/software which can be told to do things in a provider-specific way), then MythTV won't use it |
| [17:02:47] | jsmith396: | alright... I'm going to have to take a deeper look into the code and try to figure out what's going on. |
| [17:03:10] | jsmith396: | do you know off-hand the best way to debug if EIT information is found but IGNORED? |
| [17:03:16] | jsmith396: | (ie. no channel matches, etc) |
| [17:03:45] | sphery: | and, there's also the question of whether all this effort to make it work is worth the time, when it's only potentially saving you $20/year in Schedules Direct membership fees (around a nickel a day), and results in your getting terrible quality listings data that will almost definitely make duplicate matching impossible |
| [17:04:00] | sphery: | but maybe that's just my opinion on the mater |
| [17:04:18] | sphery: | you can run mythbackend with -v eit and see if you get more info |
| [17:04:22] | jsmith396: | no, I understand completely... I just want to make sure this is working so I'm comparing a working setup |
| [17:04:24] | sphery: | but, again, EIT data in the US is garbage |
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| [17:04:55] | sphery: | and $20/yr will get you high-quality data (the same data TiVo users pay $15/mo to get) that actually allows MythTV (a luxury DVR) to do all the things it's designed to do :) |
| [17:05:08] | sphery: | again, assuming you're in North America |
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| [17:05:44] | jsmith396: | do you have to manually link the schedules direct data (channels) to DVB channels? |
| [17:06:34] | sphery: | if you truly have dvb channels, schedules direct won't be an option (since it's north america, meaning ATSC/QAM, not DVB) |
| [17:07:23] | sphery: | if you mean "digital" channels (instead of DVB), and are referring to ATSC/QAM channels, then all you have to do is specify the xmltvid provided by schedules direct for each of your channels |
| [17:08:15] | sphery: | or, if you're really lucky, your broadcaster/re-broadcaster provides enough information that mythfilldatabase can automatically link the channels mythtv-setup's scanner found to the channels provided by schedules direct (i.e. it will populate xmltvid for you) |
| [17:08:52] | jsmith396: | ahh, ok. mapping hundreds of channels by hand doesn't sound like fun :) |
| [17:09:33] | sphery: | but is likely much less time consuming than will be using garbage scheduling data :) |
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| [17:09:42] | sphery: | especially since it's a one-time setup thing |
| [17:09:47] | CyberKnet: | I've only ever had to edit about 20 channels at most, and the channel editor in mythtv setup made it very quick. |
| [17:10:20] | CyberKnet: | mostly to change channel "number" 704.1 to 704 so that it matched the cable co and schedules direct. |
| [17:10:27] | CyberKnet: | that's QAM though... not sure if the ATSC story is different. |
| [17:10:35] | jsmith396: | gotcha |
| [17:11:22] | CyberKnet: | The previous hopefully informative message was brought to you by the letters S and D. |
| [17:11:33] | CyberKnet: | (ecstatic schedules direct user) |
| [17:11:35] | sphery: | ATSC (OTA) is likely better than QAM for autoconfig (it is for me in my location) because the broadcaster actually /wants/ to put out information that everyone will see, regardless of which TV they use, so they follow standards well |
| [17:12:08] | sphery: | yeah, IMHO, the $20/yr I spend on a membership to Schedules Direct is the best money I've ever spent on tv-related stuff |
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| [17:12:26] | wagnerrp: | jsmith396: hundreds of channels? |
| [17:12:49] | wagnerrp: | even large broadcast markets might only have 50–60 channels |
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| [17:13:10] | sphery: | even better spent than the money I spent on the Firefly complete series DVD or Serendipity DVD or 10 seasons of Stargate SG-1, 5 seasons of Stargate Atlantis, 2 (well, 1 so far, but waiting for #2) seasons of Stargate Universe, and all the Stargate-related (including original) movies on DVD |
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| [17:13:55] | sphery: | and the money spent on those was also well spent... so that's saying a lot |
| [17:14:57] | devinheitmueller: | sphery: I assure you that the broadcaster does not *want* to put out information that everyone will see. They are *required* to by the FCC. If they *wanted* to then they would put out more than a few hours worth of information. |
| [17:15:08] | techmik: | well, look at that..... i asked in ubuntu-mythtv and the only thing they asked is if it was a driver issue... i tried the .real method and no problem starting it.... |
| [17:15:45] | sphery: | devinheitmueller: by that I mean information about the channel itself--/not/ EIT/listings information |
| [17:15:49] | wagnerrp: | devinheitmueller: actually, they are only required 12 hours... some of my broadcasters put out a glorious three whole days |
| [17:16:15] | sphery: | meaning enough that the viewer and his TV will know that he's watching WKMG "Local 6" |
| [17:16:22] | devinheitmueller: | wagnerrp: Ok, I would have argued that "a few" and "12" were synonymous, but that's just a matter of semantics. |
| [17:16:43] | sphery: | I agree that 12 = "a few" (and not useful) |
| [17:16:52] | wagnerrp: | but three days? i can schedule things on tuesday that dont air until friday |
| [17:16:56] | sphery: | (which is basically what I said before talking about channel identification info) |
| [17:17:05] | wagnerrp: | and i can save myself from wasting that $20 |
| [17:17:21] | wagnerrp: | i can go to a bar and get like three beers with that |
| [17:17:24] | devinheitmueller: | Yeah, it's a pity that the cable providers didn't follow the recommendations in A/65C and populate CVCT tables. |
| [17:17:41] | sphery: | and that we don't have official support for it, yet :) |
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| [17:43:19] | Beirdo: | Hey, Tutone... get outta my head! |
| [17:44:07] | wagnerrp: | perfect > tutone |
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| [17:44:48] | Beirdo: | apparently, their best known song STILL inspires stupid people to call and ask for Jenny |
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| [18:02:49] | stuartm: | heh, so apparently the tide has turned and 3D is dying on it's arse, audiences have decided that they prefer the 2D and that it was all a silly fad |
| [18:03:37] | Beirdo: | aye |
| [18:03:49] | Beirdo: | and they don't like paying a premium for no particular use |
| [18:04:03] | wagnerrp: | got an article in question, or just reading the -users list? |
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| [18:11:41] | jakommo: | hi, is some one here using a hdhomerun (hdhr3-eu) in germany and had success in scanning channels? |
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| [18:15:18] | marl_scot: | hi guys, am trying to install mythtv on a debian squeeze 64 bit system, and am getting 'dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: libqtwebkit-dev' and 'dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Build conflicts: libartsc0-dev' anyone got any pointers as i cant find anything in google :( |
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| [18:17:14] | gregL: | marl_scot, did you try this? sudo apt-get build-dep mythtv |
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| [18:18:29] | marl_scot: | gregL, yup |
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| [18:19:11] | gregL: | marl_scot, Ok well that was my only suggestion...Good luck. |
| [18:20:15] | marl_scot: | just reran it, and it installed sc0-dev and sdl1.2-dev, but the compile came back with : 'dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: libsdl-dev libqtwebkit-dev' and 'dpkg-buildpackage: warning: Build dependencies/conflicts unsatisfied; aborting' |
| [18:21:24] | stuartm: | wagnerrp: I don't read the -users list so I wasn't even aware that it was being discussed there – my references were http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/markkermode/2011/06/3demise.html and http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/30/business/media/30panda.html |
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| [18:27:59] | techmik: | i'm looking at this page.... http://www.hauppauge.com/site/compare/compare_hvr-external.html ...... forget the express card..... would any of the 3 usb sticks be recommended for mythtv... note that at the moment, i am connected from my cable box to the tuner, so i can only record the one channel that is set on the cable box..... that is what i wanti am perfectly content to only be able to record the one channel out |
| [18:28:32] | wagnerrp: | no, you dont want to record any 'channel' coming from your cable box |
| [18:28:47] | wagnerrp: | you want to record the svideo or component output from your cable box |
| [18:28:52] | techmik: | basically, i dvr on the cable box, then play the dvr and record to the pc |
| [18:29:07] | techmik: | correct, that is what i am doing |
| [18:29:13] | wagnerrp: | then you dont want to be using mythtv at all |
| [18:29:18] | techmik: | ? |
| [18:29:26] | wagnerrp: | ? |
| [18:29:36] | techmik: | i can t do that with mythtv? |
| [18:29:40] | wagnerrp: | mythtv is a DVR |
| [18:29:47] | wagnerrp: | you dont record one DVR with another DVR |
| [18:29:49] | wagnerrp: | thats just retarded |
| [18:30:06] | Beirdo: | That's a terribly suboptimal setup, to be sure |
| [18:30:10] | techmik is now known as techmik|anon | |
| [18:30:21] | techmik|anon: | how else can i record hbo? |
| [18:30:31] | wagnerrp: | use a program designed for manual recording |
| [18:30:37] | wagnerrp: | like vlc |
| [18:30:42] | sphery: | stuartm: also related to 3D dying out, there's http://www.2d-glasses.com/ |
| [18:30:43] | techmik|anon: | scrambled, cable digital... need the box, correct? |
| [18:30:49] | wagnerrp: | yes, you need the box |
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| [18:30:55] | wagnerrp: | but you use it as a cable box, not a DVR |
| [18:31:09] | wagnerrp: | get an IR blaster, so mythtv can control the cable box |
| [18:31:18] | wagnerrp: | and have it use it as an external tuner |
| [18:31:30] | wagnerrp: | you never touch the cable box, or operate it manually |
| [18:31:40] | techmik|anon: | oh, ok, i can do that.... i was coming from windows, and media center was *terrible* to set up to recored live |
| [18:32:00] | techmik|anon: | so i used the aver media center with the stick |
| [18:32:18] | techmik|anon: | shows on pc exactly what i am seeing on tv |
| [18:32:31] | techmik|anon: | but thats windows |
| [18:32:32] | wagnerrp: | if you want to record analog, out of those options, you want the HVR-1950 |
| [18:33:00] | stuartm: | sphery: hehe |
| [18:33:01] | wagnerrp: | alternatively, you may want to look into http://www.hauppauge.com/site/products/data_hdpvr.html |
| [18:33:14] | wagnerrp: | if i may ask, why are you set on using usb tuners? |
| [18:33:50] | techmik|anon: | pardon my ignorance, please, i am not very knowledgeable about all this..... i *want* to store it all on the pc, because the built-in to the cable box dvr's suck and fail alot |
| [18:34:10] | wagnerrp: | yes, so you use the DVR as a dumb cable box |
| [18:34:17] | wagnerrp: | or replace the DVR with a cheaper dumb cable box |
| [18:34:17] | techmik|anon: | correct |
| [18:34:27] | wagnerrp: | get an IR blaster |
| [18:34:52] | wagnerrp: | set mythtv up with an external channel changer script, that controls the ir blaster, and sends signals to the cable box to set the channel |
| [18:35:00] | wagnerrp: | and then just record as normal with mythtv |
| [18:35:06] | wagnerrp: | you schedule a recording |
| [18:35:07] | techmik|anon: | ok |
| [18:35:18] | wagnerrp: | and at the proper time, mythtv will set the proper channel on the cable box, and record what it is outputting |
| [18:35:20] | techmik|anon: | but then you say, get the 1950, correct? |
| [18:35:45] | wagnerrp: | if you want to buy new, and use USB, and record standard definition |
| [18:35:49] | techmik|anon: | lemme see if i have a slot open internally |
| [18:37:51] | techmik|anon: | hmmm.... i have a video card in my 1 pcie x16 card, 2 open pci |
| [18:38:09] | wagnerrp: | if you have open PCI slots, and only want standard definition |
| [18:38:15] | wagnerrp: | pick up cheap PVR-150s off ebay |
| [18:38:19] | techmik|anon: | well |
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| [18:38:25] | techmik|anon: | other option: |
| [18:38:26] | stuartm: | sphery: I like the Amazon review from the guy who bought two pairs, worn on top of each other so that he could see in 4D ;) |
| [18:38:37] | sphery: | heh, didn't see that one |
| [18:38:47] | techmik|anon: | emove video card, use onboard vga and hdmi for my 2 outputs.... |
| [18:38:52] | wagnerrp: | stuartm: and wore one pair upside down, right? |
| [18:39:13] | wagnerrp: | techmik|anon: what is your onboard video? |
| [18:39:16] | sphery: | heh, that is good... :) |
| [18:40:28] | sphery: | wagnerrp: did you see sony's new playstation tv? has the dual-screen with one tv capability by using L-L and R-R settings on glasses (so each gamer sees only their own screen) |
| [18:40:48] | sphery: | of course, that presumes you can actually play games with playstation :) |
| [18:40:52] | jams: | yes i saw that |
| [18:40:54] | wagnerrp: | i did see that |
| [18:40:55] | jams: | pointless |
| [18:40:59] | sphery: | http://blog.us.playstation.com/2011/06/06/new . . . debut-at-e3/ |
| [18:41:01] | wagnerrp: | that was a couple months ago wasnt it? |
| [18:41:11] | sphery: | jams: well, it's a /much/ better idea than 3D TV :) |
| [18:41:47] | sphery: | then again, few games have much of a multiplayer support without the online services (i.e. they seem to want every gamer to have his own PS3/XBox and TV) |
| [18:42:14] | techmik|anon: | this is my mobo http://techwiki.hardwarecanucks.com/product/1 . . . M-UD2H/#spec |
| [18:42:25] | wagnerrp: | yes, you do not want to use onboard video |
| [18:42:31] | sphery: | wagnerrp: they've been talking about it for a couple months, but Sony just announced the TV officially at E3 |
| [18:42:49] | wagnerrp: | i did realize that it only worked on one specific tv |
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| [18:44:41] | techmik: | ok, so i stick with usb..... |
| [18:44:59] | wagnerrp: | but you have two free PCI slots |
| [18:45:06] | techmik: | can i get hd? |
| [18:45:22] | wagnerrp: | if you want HD, then your only option is that HDPVR i linked to a while back |
| [18:45:29] | techmik: | 1950? |
| [18:45:35] | wagnerrp: | HDPVR |
| [18:45:37] | techmik: | ah |
| [18:46:30] | devinheitmueller: | techttp://hauppauge.com/site/products/data_hdpvr.html |
| [18:46:33] | devinheitmueller: | techmik: http://hauppauge.com/site/products/data_hdpvr.html |
| [18:47:37] | techmik: | ok |
| [18:48:20] | techmik: | i will get that, and the awesomeness off mythtv will open up to me? =) |
| [18:48:42] | devinheitmueller: | Uh, sure? |
| [18:48:45] | techmik: | lol |
| [18:49:15] | techmik: | for the moment, i'd be happy if i pressed live tv and got a picture.... |
| [18:50:56] | techmik: | but anyone i asked about recording to my pc said to use mythtv, so i'd rather get it working with a supported device |
| [18:52:12] | Beirdo: | umm, the HDPVR is a supported device |
| [18:52:27] | Beirdo: | it is well used by users and devs alike |
| [18:52:32] | techmik: | i kow, what i have now isnt, i mean |
| [18:52:37] | techmik: | kow==know |
| [18:52:40] | Beirdo: | ahh |
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| [18:53:14] | techmik: | so not gonna keep vm into windows to record, when getting the right device isd a better idea |
| [18:53:49] | techmik: | so thank you for the info |
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| [19:54:30] | jams: | so i just received this email telling me that my credit card has been suspended. To activate the card I need to fill out this form (which asks for all the CC info). At the top of the form it says "It can take up to 5 work days to verify your details. |
| [19:54:30] | jams: | Once verified your credit card will be protected against online scams" |
| [19:55:08] | echosyp: | heh |
| [19:55:10] | jams: | i love it |
| [19:56:15] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [19:58:35] | stuartm: | jams: what's really great about it is that if it didn't work they wouldn't even bother trying |
| [20:00:48] | stuartm: | it really cheers me up no end (that's sarcasm btw) to know that a significant number of people out there actually respond to such obvious attempts |
| [20:01:26] | stuartm: | or spam, I don't blame spammers for spam, I blame the idiots who buy the products being advertised via spam |
| [20:04:39] | jams: | that is the sad part |
| [20:05:08] | Shadow__X: | that it is |
| [20:07:31] | Beirdo: | at first the spammers were to blame. But now, we should all know better. |
| [20:07:44] | Beirdo: | time for caffeine |
| [20:10:01] | ** stuartm opts for ice-cream ** | |
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| [20:11:58] | jams: | oh yeah had that yesterday it was awesome. Made the walk to the store worth it. |
| [20:13:26] | jams: | speaking of that..while out walking around yesterday I saw a guy drive his car right though his garage door. It was a low speed impact so I suspect he was distracted by the girls sunbathing. |
| [20:14:10] | jams: | vs having car troubles or anything like that |
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| [20:15:29] | Beirdo: | heheheh |
| [20:15:41] | Beirdo: | it is that time of year again |
| [20:16:22] | stuartm: | I did that once, years ago when I was still learning to drive, put the car into first gear instead of reverse (they were next to each other) and although it took me less than a second to realise my mistake the car was parked so close to the door that I left a pretty serious dent ... |
| [20:17:27] | Beirdo: | oops |
| [20:17:38] | Beirdo: | that's a forgivable learning experience |
| [20:18:11] | Beirdo: | now, ogling the neighbor's daughters while driving into your garage... hehehe |
| [20:18:45] | stuartm: | still, it was minor compared to some of the accidents that my friends got into, one of them wrote off 4 cars in his first year of driving and when I saw him a couple of years later he was working for a high-end car dealership driving around £50K+ cars |
| [20:18:54] | Beirdo: | eek |
| [20:19:10] | Beirdo: | one of my friends totalled his $10k brand new snowmobile |
| [20:19:13] | jams: | wow |
| [20:19:18] | Beirdo: | through the back of the garage |
| [20:19:18] | jams: | 4 cars in a year |
| [20:19:33] | jams: | i haven't even owned 4 cars |
| [20:19:39] | Beirdo: | he forgot to check the accelerator before starting it |
| [20:19:42] | Beirdo: | oops |
| [20:20:24] | Beirdo: | 600cc of fine snowmobile power... CRUNCH into a cement block wall |
| [20:20:45] | Beirdo: | oh, and he started it... standing beside it |
| [20:20:49] | Beirdo: | double-stupid |
| [20:20:52] | jams: | ugh |
| [20:21:00] | stuartm: | jams: he rolled two of them by clipping the kerb and a roundabout at speed ... in hindsight I can't understand how he didn't lose his license |
| [20:21:35] | Beirdo: | jeez |
| [20:21:39] | jams: | ah roundabouts the cause of many a accidents |
| [20:21:43] | stuartm: | it was probably before they really started to crack down on driving offences |
| [20:22:44] | Beirdo: | I'd say stupid/careless drivers cause the accidents. Roundabouts (and sunbathing girls) just contribute to the fun |
| [20:32:21] | CyberKnet: | hah |
| [20:33:37] | CyberKnet: | I wonder how many accidents could be caused by an attractive, bra-less woman standing at an intersection (Be it traffic light, roundabout, etc) who opened her blouse at inopportune times. |
| [20:33:42] | CyberKnet: | way too many, I'm thinking. |
| [20:34:01] | Beirdo: | and the sad thing is... women would crash too |
| [20:34:21] | CyberKnet: | Right. It's so far out of our societal defined normals that *everyone* would look just in disbelief. |
| [20:34:26] | Beirdo: | ooh, Google Music has a built-in flash music player |
| [20:34:35] | Beirdo: | which works in Linux |
| [20:34:51] | CyberKnet: | It would be akin to putting a purple hippopotomous that magically appeared on the side of the road as people got close. |
| [20:34:52] | Beirdo: | yay. |
| [20:34:59] | ** Beirdo queues some AC/DC ** | |
| [20:35:00] | CyberKnet: | you'd *have* to look. |
| [20:35:08] | Beirdo: | yeah, true |
| [20:35:48] | wagnerrp: | CyberKnet: i think that would be a dirty dead |
| [20:35:53] | wagnerrp: | deed |
| [20:36:37] | CyberKnet: | wagnerrp: An idle musing. I couldn't ethically conduct the experiment. |
| [20:36:47] | wagnerrp: | ... |
| [20:36:53] | wagnerrp: | come on |
| [20:36:54] | Beirdo: | actually, that was the album I queued |
| [20:37:03] | CyberKnet: | hah |
| [20:37:08] | Beirdo: | Dirty Deeds Done To Sheep |
| [20:37:14] | Beirdo: | errr... Dirt Cheap |
| [20:37:18] | CyberKnet: | ugh. |
| [20:37:25] | wagnerrp: | to sheep? is that some Weird Al remake? |
| [20:37:39] | CyberKnet: | It's the kiwi release, methinks. |
| [20:37:53] | Beirdo: | I'm sure SOMEONE has recorded it that way, and the original does lend itself to it |
| [20:37:57] | CyberKnet: | Good old New Zealand. Where there is a higher population of sheep than people. |
| [20:38:12] | Beirdo: | oh come on, CyberKnet ... AC/DC... Scots in Australia... |
| [20:38:17] | Beirdo: | you're in denial :) |
| [20:38:58] | CyberKnet: | New Zealand has ~47.2 millon sheep, and ~3.7m people. |
| [20:39:37] | Beirdo: | yeah, I'm not saying NZ don't fit the bill too :) |
| [20:39:45] | Beirdo: | mmm, NZ lamb chops |
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| [20:42:57] | wagnerrp: | CyberKnet: theres actually clips on the internet of people doing far more innocuous acts than flashing |
| [20:43:09] | wagnerrp: | get two people on opposite sides of the road |
| [20:43:29] | wagnerrp: | when a car comes down the road, grab a rope and pull it taught at windshield height |
| [20:43:44] | wagnerrp: | clearly something that will not harm the car |
| [20:43:56] | wagnerrp: | and at worst, will just result in these people being dragged down the road |
| [20:44:06] | wagnerrp: | but people slam on their breaks, even if the rope does not exist |
| [20:44:28] | CyberKnet: | people. geeez. |
| [20:45:06] | CyberKnet: | It'd be one thing to do a controlled study, right ... but to do that in an uncontrolled environment.. wow. people could get killed. |
| [20:45:14] | stuartm: | maybe because they're actually concerned about hurting the people involved? |
| [20:45:39] | wagnerrp: | stuartm: if theyre going to do stupid crap like try to harm me by pulling a rope taught across the road as i drive by |
| [20:45:42] | wagnerrp: | they deserve to be hurt |
| [20:46:23] | wagnerrp: | and if they do that crap to a motercycle rider, that deserves jail time |
| [20:46:35] | wagnerrp: | thats felony assault |
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| [20:49:03] | CyberKnet: | I'd aqrgue that the presence of a windshield shouldn't prevent that charge. |
| [20:50:36] | CyberKnet: | Hmmm... google music is invite only? |
| [20:50:38] | wagnerrp: | well with a windshield, theres no real risk of harm, with or without rope |
| [20:50:51] | wagnerrp: | so its more a public nuisance, inciting panic |
| [20:51:03] | sphery: | CyberKnet: and it seems that the music co's weren't invited (since you can't actually buy tunes through it) |
| [20:51:19] | CyberKnet: | wagnerrp: Like holding up a bank with a banana instead of a gun? |
| [20:51:30] | wagnerrp: | no, thats felony assult |
| [20:51:57] | CyberKnet: | yes, that was what I was getting at. |
| [20:53:48] | wagnerrp: | well if youve got a windshield and support pillars |
| [20:54:04] | wagnerrp: | it would be like threatening to shoot someone with a banana, when they know its a banana |
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| [20:54:43] | CyberKnet: | I see what you are saying – but I'm not sure the average person in that situation with that amount of time to react would realize the protection afforded them by their windshield and support pillars, you know? |
| [20:55:10] | wagnerrp: | if the average person cannot make that decision in that short of a time |
| [20:55:15] | wagnerrp: | the average person should not have a license |
| [20:56:10] | CyberKnet: | well, at least we aren't lawyers who have to figure this out. |
| [20:56:38] | stuartm: | wagnerrp: potentially criminal damage if the rope snags an aerial, spoiler or wing-mirror – or causes a scratch because it had picked up some grit etc |
| [20:58:15] | stuartm: | I tend to agree with CyberKnet at least in that the driver may not appreciate it's a rope and not something like a steel cable which would cause damage to the car |
| [20:59:47] | wagnerrp: | it doesnt matter, its being held by a pair of doofuses on either side |
| [21:01:01] | stuartm: | it might not kill you, but I wouldn't want the cost/hassle of having the paintwork re-sprayed and dents knocked out, especially not if I was driving a nice car |
| [21:02:00] | stuartm: | and if in attempting to avoid the rope I ran off the road I'd expect the idiots to face more than 'nuisance' charges |
| [21:02:20] | wagnerrp: | not just nuisance |
| [21:02:25] | wagnerrp: | inciting public panic |
| [21:02:33] | wagnerrp: | thats a nasty charge in its own right |
| [21:02:48] | wagnerrp: | since its very open ended, up to the judge's discression |
| [21:03:12] | stuartm: | wagnerrp: I'm not sure there is an equivalent in law over here, at least it's not anything I've ever heard of |
| [21:03:49] | wagnerrp: | well what would they get you for if you call in a bomb threat? |
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| [21:06:33] | stuartm: | wagnerrp: I really don't know ... at best wasting police time but at worst ... well knowing our modern police force it could well be a dozen bullets in your head while you lay completely defenceless on the floor of a tube train (they have a tendency to overact to any situation involving the word bomb these days) |
| [21:08:55] | sphery: | or a 1000 Pound fine |
| [21:09:14] | ** devinheitmueller doesn't know what this is all about, but this forum seems to have strayed OT about three pages ago.... ** | |
| [21:09:35] | sphery: | (guy who tweeted a bomb threat when Robin Hood airport got closed for snow and he didn't make it to see a girl he had met onlin) |
| [21:09:55] | sphery: | heh, yeah, sorry for contributing to the ot |
| [21:10:01] | stuartm: | sphery: ah yes, that's a good example |
| [21:10:06] | wagnerrp: | devinheitmueller: its about people driving into closed garage doors |
| [21:10:25] | sphery: | wagnerrp: perhaps you should update the topic |
| [21:10:34] | sphery: | then no one can complain :) |
| [21:10:51] | devinheitmueller: | wagnerrp: it just makes it a PITA to follow the channel log due to the SNR. |
| [21:11:39] | devinheitmueller: | but hey, nobody ever claimed I was a moderator, so do as you will. ;-) |
| [21:11:45] | stuartm: | and it's East Midlands Airport, it's not even in Nottinghamshire and it's many miles from Sherwood Forest ... they use the alternative name in the hopes of confusing tourists into picking it as their destination airport |
| [21:11:46] | ** wagnerrp sets the Topic for #mythtv-users: Welcome to the official MythTV user-to-user support channel, where hot girls in bikinis make men drive through their own homes ** | |
| [21:12:03] | stuartm: | there we go, a little local gripe ;) |
| [21:12:42] | ** iamlindoro watched "My Big Fat Gypsy Wedding" on TLS this weekend, much of which takes place in Manchester, and thought of our channel ** | |
| [21:12:45] | iamlindoro: | er TLC |
| [21:13:00] | iamlindoro: | Strange, strange british gypsies |
| [21:13:35] | stuartm: | never seen that one, never want to |
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| [21:14:29] | iamlindoro: | Apparently much of the footage was from some Documentary that aired there |
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| [21:15:14] | stuartm: | and I somehow doubt they are real gypsies (as in the ethnic group from Romania) but more likely our equivalent of trailer home dwelling white trash, the only difference is that they travel around from time to time trashing and thieving at every stop |
| [21:15:26] | iamlindoro: | Irish Travelers |
| [21:15:39] | stuartm: | and that's the politically correct version |
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| [21:16:00] | iamlindoro: | The show is supposed to eventually cover Romani gypsies, and given how many people seem to be watching it, it's likely they'll have their chance |
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| [21:17:01] | iamlindoro: | Anyhoo, that's the latest thing that's like staring at a car crash on American television :) |
| [21:20:55] | stuartm: | devinheitmueller: I think we've exhausted the OT chat for tonight ;) |
| [21:21:21] | stuartm: | we just need to get it out of our systems once in a while :p |
| [21:21:50] | devinheitmueller: | heh |
| [21:21:55] | devinheitmueller: | all good |
| [21:22:05] | devinheitmueller: | wagnerrp should probably set the channel topic back then. ;-) |
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| [21:31:42] | taylorr: | jpabq: was just thinking – did you find the "noapic" kernel parameter to help any yet? |
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| [21:35:07] | abqjp: | taylorr: I never tried that one. The irqpoll did not hurt, and may have helped. I have not had a problem with my HD-PVRs in several weeks. The problems stopped after I replaced a bad hard drive (it would hang on bad sectors), and put a table fan blowing on them, and added irqpoll Unfortunately, I did all three of those things at the same time, so I don' t which (or which combo) fixed the problem. Considering I went all of 2010 withou |
| [21:35:08] | abqjp: | problem without the fan or irqpoll setting, tells me that replacing the hard drive was probably the thing that fixed it. |
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| [21:37:03] | taylorr: | abqjp: ah, I was mistaken then |
| [21:37:43] | taylorr: | abqjp: curious, given that is seems most people do have issues what USB controller do you use? |
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| [21:40:24] | devinheitmueller: | abqjp: that could definitely be it. if the hard drive was hanging the entire system, then it wouldn't service in the incoming USB data fast enough. And unlike with a USB peripheral like a hard drive, there is no "retry" mechanism when you're talking about live streaming video. |
| [21:48:33] | marl_scot: | ok, may sound like a daft question, but is it posible to configure mythtv-backend without having mythtv-frontend installed? |
| [21:51:27] | devinheitmueller: | I don't believe you need mythfrontend installed in order to run mythtv-setup. |
| [21:52:06] | devinheitmueller: | ... that said, the regulars here could probably offer a better answer than I.... |
| [21:52:26] | marl_scot: | cant see a way to run mythtv-setup from the CLI :( |
| [21:52:46] | devinheitmueller: | Uh, /usr/bin/mythtv-setup ? |
| [21:52:50] | wagnerrp: | you run 'mythtv-setup' |
| [21:52:54] | wagnerrp: | and it opens the setup application |
| [21:53:18] | CyberKnet: | unless he means configure the front end without the front end installed... but I can't see why you would do that at all. |
| [21:53:41] | CyberKnet: | no, he definitely said mythtv-backend |
| [21:53:42] | CyberKnet: | my bad |
| [21:54:09] | marl_scot: | just installed a backend server, and dont have a machine handy that i can install frontend on, so want to configure some of the backend settings just now, like stoprage/dvb cards etc. |
| [21:54:20] | wagnerrp: | you run 'mythtv-setup' |
| [21:55:10] | marl_scot: | that says that it wants to connect to an X server :( |
| [21:55:19] | wagnerrp: | that it does |
| [21:55:48] | marl_scot: | ok, differance in terms, to me backend (in linux terms) is a headless unit |
| [21:55:51] | abqjp: | taylorr: sorry, I am at work. I just use the onboard USB on my motherboard — although I do make sure that my HD-PVRs are on different "hubs" on the motherboard. |
| [21:56:04] | wagnerrp: | x servers come in many forms and locations |
| [21:56:16] | wagnerrp: | you dont necessarily need a graphics card on the backend to run an x server |
| [21:56:45] | marl_scot: | lol, yup but not all htat easy to setup for a remote x server |
| [21:56:53] | wagnerrp: | sure it is |
| [21:57:02] | CyberKnet: | hu? X11 forwarding over SSH is really easy. |
| [21:57:05] | wagnerrp: | export DISPLAY=<yourremotemachine>:0.0 |
| [21:57:10] | wagnerrp: | and then run 'mythtv-setup' |
| [21:57:33] | CyberKnet: | I've even ran the front end over X11 forwarding... not that I'd advise it! :) |
| [21:57:51] | wagnerrp: | well its fine so long as youre not trying to play video |
| [21:58:04] | stuartm: | devinheitmueller: last night I noted a pull request was made to Linus for a sizeable number of dvb changes back in March, including the Tevii S464 driver but I can't find any evidence that it was acted on, would you happen to know if it's made it into the kernel yet? |
| [21:58:21] | CyberKnet: | wagnerrp: yeah, that's what I was doing :D |
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| [22:00:16] | devinheitmueller: | I would have to look. Vendors should not be making PULL requests directly to Linus. All that stuff has to go through the media tree. |
| [22:00:30] | stuartm: | devinheitmueller: it seems that it did ... |
| [22:00:33] | ** devinheitmueller looks ** | |
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| [22:01:07] | stuartm: | http://groups.google.com/group/linux.kernel/b . . . 40c948?fwc=1 |
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| [22:01:10] | devinheitmueller: | Mauro submitted a PULL to Linus on 03/24/2011, so yeah, should be in there. |
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| [22:01:54] | stuartm: | devinheitmueller: ok thanks, I was scouring changelogs and none of those changes were listed so I wasn't sure |
| [22:02:41] | devinheitmueller: | The changelog probably has a line such as "cx88: add support for TeVii S464 PCI card", but that's probably the extent that you will see a changelog entry. |
| [22:03:25] | devinheitmueller: | The addition of yet one more device rarely constitutes a major changelog item, unless the hardware is extremely popular. |
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| [22:04:08] | stuartm: | devinheitmueller: it doesn't even have that, but nevermind |
| [22:05:05] | devinheitmueller: | It's in there: http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/ChangeLog-2.6.39 |
| [22:05:25] | devinheitmueller: | open the file and you'll see "commit 0cb73639cfbdc9a074cbb7737d173f7a7381036d" |
| [22:05:26] | devinheitmueller: | \ |
| [22:06:22] | stuartm: | huh, I was grepping that last night with no luck |
| [22:06:47] | devinheitmueller: | Wow, I didn't have a single commit in 2.6.39. :-( |
| [22:07:03] | CyberKnet: | at the risk of OT again ... whoa. Everyone else see these? http://news.discovery.com/space/big-pic-shutt . . . -110607.html |
| [22:07:33] | stuartm: | the S464 is looking like my best bet then, only one retailer is selling them – dvbshop in Germany, so there's a hefty postage charge, but on the flipside they are comparatively cheap so £105 for the pair inc postage |
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| [23:13:44] | techmik: | ok, i realize i am using an unsupported driver, but if the system sees it, and mythtv-setup lets me scan for channels but just not find any, is it more likely that i havent configured correctly, or could it still be the driver? |
| [23:14:36] | Beirdo: | hmmm, unsupported driver... who's to say if the driver is complete/works? |
| [23:15:57] | techmik: | it "allegedly" works..... http://bit.ly/l9O8r1 |
| [23:16:15] | techmik: | i can use it to see tvtime, for instance..... |
| [23:17:20] | Beirdo: | good luck |
| [23:17:25] | techmik: | lol |
| [23:17:48] | Beirdo: | just use an older kernel that supports it, if you are thinking the driver's questionable |
| [23:17:52] | techmik: | i know nothing about this, so i basically am trying every config option |
| [23:17:56] | techmik: | i am |
| [23:18:19] | techmik: | capture card setup is i think where my mistake is |
| [23:18:26] | techmik: | card type |
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| [23:19:29] | techmik: | i kno some cards have to be changed frm analog v4l capture card, but i am unsure which to choose, so i am basically using trial and error |
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| [23:20:58] | stuartm: | techmik: what service are you attempting to record from? That card is a 'hybrid' supporting a range of inputs and what card type you chose is governed by what you're trying to record |
| [23:21:39] | techmik: | the input worked in a media center in windows as atsc, connected thru composite |
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| [23:22:49] | stuartm: | ok, change the card type to DVB |
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| [23:23:16] | stuartm: | wait, connected through composite? That would be analogue then ... |
| [23:23:23] | stuartm: | which isn't ATSC |
| [23:23:23] | iamlindoro: | ATSC != composite |
| [23:23:30] | iamlindoro: | heh, stuartm got there first |
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| [23:24:03] | stuartm: | I'm going to let iamlindoro help you since you're in the US |
| [23:24:17] | iamlindoro: | I only glanced, I can't actually help right :) |
| [23:24:18] | iamlindoro: | now |
| [23:24:26] | techmik: | sorry, i'll explain further.... out from the cable box thru composite to the usb stick |
| [23:24:36] | iamlindoro: | if you are connected via composite, then you don't scan |
| [23:24:40] | Beirdo: | what? you're using a DVB-T dongle in the US? |
| [23:24:46] | Beirdo: | odd choice |
| [23:24:49] | stuartm: | ok, that's analogue capture |
| [23:24:59] | techmik: | its not the same version, its the us version |
| [23:25:04] | techmik: | not h827 |
| [23:25:07] | techmik: | h826 |
| [23:25:22] | Beirdo: | ah |
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| [23:25:50] | techmik: | i got it working in windows, thru the aver media center, no channel scan, just tv, composite |
| [23:25:55] | stuartm: | techmik: in that case you want V4L but you can't scan, instead you need to configure your lineup through SchedulesDirect |
| [23:26:02] | techmik: | ah |
| [23:26:03] | techmik: | ok |
| [23:26:47] | stuartm: | and you'll want a channel change script, but that's not something I can help with |
| [23:26:51] | techmik: | right, sorry, card supports atsc, but i choose composite as the input to make it work in windows... my poor explanation... |
| [23:27:27] | techmik: | so choose analog vl4, composite, and dont scan, tell it channel 3 |
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| [23:27:49] | iamlindoro: | You don't tell it channel anything |
| [23:28:08] | iamlindoro: | "Preset tuner to channel" is what I assume you are referring to |
| [23:28:12] | techmik: | yes |
| [23:28:15] | iamlindoro: | read the help text |
| [23:28:30] | iamlindoro: | That option is for when you are using the tuner input, which you are not |
| [23:28:35] | techmik: | ah |
| [23:28:36] | iamlindoro: | the composite input is not a tuner |
| [23:28:46] | techmik: | its just "pass-thru"? |
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| [23:29:03] | iamlindoro: | No, it's just capture |
| [23:29:07] | techmik: | ah |
| [23:29:11] | techmik: | got it |
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| [23:38:00] | mtrelinsomething: | 6200ch needs sudo to execute, how can i get rid of that? |
| [23:40:25] | techmik: | is there a running log to tell me what just happened? i got no error msg, but i told frontend to watch livetv.... i sam the playback starting logo, then black screen, then back on the menu screen..... |
| [23:42:11] | techmik: | from dmseg: http://pastebin.com/35HBsbMT |
| [23:43:26] | Twiggy2cents: | techmik check the mythtv logs |
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| [23:44:34] | techmik: | hmm.... just noticed more form the dmesg: http://pastebin.com/tsvPWUFt |
| [23:53:01] | techmik: | http://pastebin.com/Xf6SU7FW frontend dmesg |
| [23:53:49] | Twiggy2cents: | get the backend log |
| [23:57:39] | techmik: | http://pastebin.com/eiH7Lng1 from the last part |
| [23:58:08] | techmik: | i tried a few toimes, didnt wanna paste 3 days of log.... |
| [23:58:15] | techmik: | toimes==times |
| [23:58:44] | techmik: | clearly i have setup errors... i think..... |
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