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Wednesday, June 1st, 2011, 00:02 UTC
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[02:33:26] Beirdo: ahhh
[02:33:46] Beirdo: Barrett's Privateers :)
[02:33:50] Beirdo: original recording
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[02:50:34] wagnerrp: ?
[02:55:15] Beirdo: you've never heard the song?
[02:55:27] Beirdo: it's kinda a pirate shanty.
[02:55:40] Beirdo: I know GreyFoxx knows it :)
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[03:46:41] Beirdo: I love Linus' 3.0 kernel announcement
[03:47:36] Beirdo: wagnerrp: you will particularly enjoy this part:
[03:47:54] Beirdo: "Part of that is that I'm going
[03:47:54] Beirdo: to be traveling next week with a slow atom laptop, so you had better
[03:47:55] Beirdo: convince me I *really* want to pull from you, because that thing
[03:47:57] Beirdo: really is not the most impressive piece of hardware ever built."
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[03:48:26] ** Beirdo slaps putty for splitting that into 4 lines **
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[03:48:43] [R]: lol
[03:49:03] Beirdo: hit LKML on Saturday in case y'all were wondering
[03:49:07] [R]: isn't 'slow atom' being a bit redundant?
[03:49:25] wagnerrp: they dont make laptops with Atom processors in them
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[03:49:35] Beirdo: sure they do
[03:49:41] Beirdo: they call them "netbooks"
[03:49:51] ** Beirdo is typing on one right now **
[03:50:28] Beirdo: and yeah, it's an horribly slow little beastlet
[03:50:41] wagnerrp: right, not-a-laptop
[03:51:10] Beirdo: whatever, works better as an actual laptop than most laptops
[03:51:14] Beirdo: less nad-burning
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[03:51:55] wagnerrp: nonsense
[03:52:14] Beirdo: I'm just happy that when I got it, the now-ex-wife ALLOWED me to buy it
[03:52:16] wagnerrp: ive got a 10yr old machine that idles around 10W
[03:52:48] Beirdo: of all the portable computers I've used, this one is the most lap friendly
[03:53:19] ** Beirdo is ripping some Genesis **
[03:53:55] Beirdo: not much wonder that Phil Collins is a rich guy
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[03:54:31] Beirdo: sorry.
[03:54:35] Beirdo: Sir Phil Collins
[03:54:36] Beirdo: heh
[03:55:43] Beirdo: LVO? Wow, they sure went high with his honours
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[03:58:56] Beirdo: so that's one short of a Sir, I guess... anyways, good music
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[04:08:17] Beirdo: gotta remember to find ear plugs this week
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[05:41:14] Beirdo: you know what MythTV needs?
[05:41:22] Beirdo: more cowbell!
[05:43:24] [R]: i put my pants on one let at a time, but afterwards, i make gold records
[05:43:44] wagnerrp: one let?
[05:44:40] Beirdo: heh
[05:45:12] Beirdo: sorry, just finished cleaning a Blue Oyster Cult LP for ripping later :)
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[05:45:35] [R]: leg*
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[06:19:12] Beirdo: just what the heck is the point of mythcommflag --skipdb?
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[06:32:02] [R]: Beirdo: using it w/o myth
[06:32:33] [R]: Beirdo: theres this guy who makes a comm skip app for mac and he uses the mythcommflag directly
[06:32:39] [R]: outside of the context of myth
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[06:33:33] Beirdo: so in other words, no use at all
[06:35:36] Beirdo: mythcommflag is not being maintained so other people can co-opt it into their purposes. It's being maintained for mythv use.
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[06:36:35] justinh: hahaha the guy using EIT on the users ML... Recording Oprah. Nobody should let him live that one down. My wife records some pretty sad stuff but nothing *that* bad
[06:38:04] justinh: so with --skipdb what does mythcommflag do exactly? pass the found points out?
[06:38:16] justinh: I'm guessing it must do or it really would be no use
[06:38:37] Beirdo: dumps to a text file, accordign to README.txt
[06:39:08] [R]: there is/was a bug report about it being broken
[06:39:12] Beirdo: I will talk it over with Captain_Murdoch... Someone needs to maintain this and I don't know if he's planning on it
[06:39:13] [R]: is that what made you ask?
[06:39:27] Beirdo: yes, I'm going through the bug reports
[06:39:46] [R]: the guy who filed the report is the author of said mac app
[06:39:57] Beirdo: yeah, well, pffft
[06:40:03] [R]: i think he uses the windows version through wine, and wants to use the mythcommflag directly
[06:40:09] [R]: the windows forked versoin
[06:40:14] [R]: i forget it's name
[06:40:19] Beirdo: if it's too much trouble to maintain, I don't know if it will stay forever
[06:40:55] Beirdo: be nice to keep, but still...
[06:42:29] justinh: hmmm. Senior Quality Technician... nah don't want that
[06:42:58] justinh: certainly not at only £22k on shifts. Bleh
[06:43:11] Beirdo: I figure we'll have to add more funky code to support it correctly
[06:43:20] Beirdo: 22k/yr?
[06:43:39] justinh: yup, including shift allowance.
[06:43:47] Beirdo: for senior? I guess the UK has a different payscale than the US
[06:44:04] Beirdo: I'd tell them exactly where to shove that
[06:44:09] justinh: depends. jobs in manufacturing generally pay poorly
[06:44:44] Beirdo: ahhh, figures
[06:44:52] justinh: I've seen one job which looks like basically installing servers (unix, linux) following instructions & sorting out hardware issues.. £40k+benefits
[06:45:04] Beirdo: that's more like
[06:45:14] justinh: only trouble is I don't have any real world linux/unix chops
[06:45:22] Beirdo: GBP still ~= 2 USD?
[06:45:28] justinh: no
[06:45:35] justinh: more like 1.6 last time I looked
[06:45:44] Beirdo: wow
[06:45:56] Beirdo: you took a tumble too then. ouch
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[06:46:11] justinh: 1.64 according to xe.com right now
[06:46:36] justinh: anyway 40k is much more than I'm on now. like about 15k more
[06:46:40] Beirdo: 64kUS for that job? It'd be at the low side of what I'd consider, but depends on particlars
[06:46:51] Beirdo: ahh.
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[06:47:21] Beirdo: there's a lot of hidden responsibility in that type of job
[06:47:29] justinh: I can imagine
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[06:47:40] Beirdo: especially once the words "on-call" come into the discussion
[06:47:59] Beirdo: I'm technically on-call 24/7
[06:48:20] Beirdo: thankfully, the NOC does most of it without having to call me
[06:48:27] justinh: a friend of mine up North is doing similar stuff for a networking job, on call.. doesn't mean that much
[06:48:40] justinh: especially if he manages to log in remotely ;)
[06:48:43] Beirdo: it can be absolute hell
[06:49:04] justinh: still though.. 40k is 40k.. and this job can be absolute hell in terms of morale
[06:49:22] Beirdo: if the systems/network/apps are bad enough... it's more disruptive than having a baby (to sleep)
[06:49:43] Beirdo: hey, if it's a step up, it's maybe worth it :)
[06:50:10] Beirdo: I love doing the embedded systems stuff, but doing sysadmin stuff has its advantages too
[06:50:36] justinh: like the other day I got an email from a manager saying he looked at the wiki page where I wrote up my camera evaluation, saying it was ****ing useless because the images were all too small. Looked fine to me. Turned out they were fine once he looked in a decent browser. He didn't apologise
[06:51:21] Beirdo: of course not
[06:51:37] Beirdo: he's a manager. his job is to be a douchebag.
[06:51:45] Beirdo: sounds like he's doing a good job
[06:51:46] Beirdo: heh
[06:51:47] justinh: I'm terrified about actually pulling this move off. getting a new job up there is one thing. Selling our current house & buying a new one... spare me that!
[06:52:01] Beirdo: heh
[06:52:08] Beirdo: I can believe that
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[06:52:39] justinh: mind, for what our house is worth down here I can get a 4 bedroom detached house with double garage – currently living in a 3 bed semi-detached with on-street parking
[06:52:40] MilkBoy: mmm. mortgage =)
[06:53:07] justinh: house prices are higher here. must be the 'bright lights' of Manchester
[06:53:12] Beirdo: hehe
[06:53:26] Beirdo: does anyone sound as bad as Ozzy?
[06:53:44] justinh: Oh, and we'll save a fortune on home & car insurance too. Looked at the crime stats for up there again... very little in the way of violent crime compared to here
[06:53:47] Beirdo: (who, oddly enough, I can understand pretty well)
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[06:53:55] justinh: Beirdo: no. nobody sounds as bad as Ozzy
[06:54:14] Beirdo: yah, didn't think so. That's the many decades of drugs....
[06:54:38] Beirdo: to paraphrase Monty Python... Ozzy himself was permanently pissed.
[06:54:40] justinh: Beirdo: did you see any clips of Cheryl Cole on TV over there? That's what people (kind of) sound like where I come from
[06:54:57] Beirdo: Hmmm, not that I know of
[06:55:30] justinh: whatever you do, don't look at Geordie Shore. jees.
[06:55:54] Beirdo: she's supposed to be on X Factor as a judge, but I won't stoop to watching that shite
[06:56:17] justinh: it's like MTV's 'Real World' but all the housemates are thuggish narcicists who drink too much
[06:56:32] Beirdo: hehe
[06:57:08] Beirdo: I dunno, I was am rather blessed with being able to understand accents fairly easily
[06:57:16] justinh: not a very good advert for that part of the world ;-)
[06:57:33] Beirdo: my Grade 2 teacher was from UK somewhere (forget where)
[06:58:07] Beirdo: had a coworker fresh from Glasgow... I was the only one who could figure out WTF he was saying fora week or two. :)
[06:58:20] Beirdo: he was cool though
[06:59:10] justinh: lol
[06:59:18] justinh: speak *slowly*
[06:59:32] justinh: have a look at Rab C Nesbit ;-)
[06:59:47] justinh: my favourite Scot
[07:00:11] Beirdo: heh, I DID tell him to slow the hell down once
[07:00:39] Beirdo: he didn't appreciate the jokes about sheep too much though :)
[07:00:40] Beirdo: hehe
[07:01:05] justinh: eh? sheep is for welshmen
[07:01:13] Beirdo: hehe.
[07:01:26] Beirdo: why do scots wear kilts?
[07:01:37] Beirdo: sheep can hear zippers a mile away
[07:01:42] justinh: LOL
[07:01:52] Beirdo: he frowned pretty hard at that one
[07:01:53] Beirdo: hehe
[07:02:51] Beirdo: but anyways :)
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[07:07:16] Beirdo: and I miss having some Aussie shows to watch
[07:09:29] justinh: ROFL http://www.peopleofwalmart.com/?p=46508
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[07:41:31] Beirdo: come on, trac, stop sucking
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[08:33:05] justinh: yup
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[09:50:43] Captain_Murdoch: Beirdo, I think daniel added the skipdb option to mythcommflag, you may want to check with him. I personally think that if someone wants to use mythcommflag standalone, that they can maintain their own patch. we shouldn't be required to spend much time on a feature that isn't even for use with MythTV.
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[13:39:55] sphery: Captain_Murdoch / Beirdo : agreed 100% that we shouldn't be wasting time maintaining a "use mythcommflag without MythTV option" (we have enough to do maintaining MythTV stuff on its own :)
[13:40:16] iamlindoro: Fourth'd
[13:40:34] sphery: :)
[13:40:58] sphery: someone is on irc early :)
[13:41:24] iamlindoro: About to head to work and glanced at the screen-- but always up this early... I am just usually in the pool right now
[13:41:43] sphery: ahhh
[13:41:54] sphery: today's a bike or run day, then?
[13:42:21] iamlindoro: both
[13:42:36] iamlindoro: ok, off to work
[13:42:52] sphery: have fun
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[15:45:50] Slasher`: iamlindoro i bought one of them WinTV-PVR-150 Low Profile cards
[15:45:59] Slasher`: cost me around $70 shipped though :/
[15:46:02] Slasher`: plus import tax
[15:46:06] Slasher`: but im sure it'll be worth it
[15:47:07] wagnerrp: ouch
[15:47:13] wagnerrp: should have just gotten a -2200 new
[15:48:53] iamlindoro: 2200 support still isn't near as rock solid as the 150's
[15:49:01] wagnerrp: fair enough
[15:49:17] iamlindoro: I'm not totally clear whether all the mpeg-2 recorder hacks needed for it are in .24, either
[15:49:24] iamlindoro: (though they might be)
[15:50:30] wagnerrp: i thought beirdo took care of those when he picked up his
[15:51:40] devinheitmueller: There are known driver issues with PAL support on the 2200, so a user should probably not pick up that card if he/she plans to use it for analog.
[15:52:06] devinheitmueller: wagnerrp: Beirdo has a 2250, and he did make fixes to Myth to support it. But those are unrelated to driver level issues for PAL.
[15:52:29] devinheitmueller: (the 2250 is the USA equivalent of the 2200)
[15:53:15] Slasher`: to be fair i only plan to use it for input via the sky box
[15:53:33] devinheitmueller: Yeah, in that case the 2200 would not be a good choice, since that would require analog.
[15:54:16] Slasher`: even though this 150 is ntsc, i can use a pal sky box to go through s-video
[15:54:35] Slasher`: sucks that my other one i have now uses a frame grabber (or whatever it is/was) for svideo
[15:54:59] Slasher`: im assuming its easy to route sound via the s-video port on the 150?
[15:55:21] devinheitmueller: MythTV does support framegrabbers, but they put additional load on the CPU and they are not as heavily tested by the MythTV developers as MPEG encoders.
[15:55:28] wagnerrp: Slasher`: svideo doesnt do sound
[15:55:35] Slasher`: hmm
[15:55:37] wagnerrp: use the red/white connectors
[15:55:48] wagnerrp: or depending on the board, the 1/8" stereo connector
[15:55:49] devinheitmueller: Slasher`: the PVR-150 has a separate audio left/right input that is used in conjunction with the s-video input.
[15:55:56] Slasher`: the lowprofile version doesnt have red or white connectors
[15:56:23] Slasher`: i do have an adaptor that changes s-video to a red/white/yellow thing though?
[15:56:41] Slasher`: http://www.impactcomputers.com/pg183.html that's the one
[15:56:48] devinheitmueller: Slasher`: what you need is a cable that converts RCA audio (red/white) to 1/8" stereo.
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[15:57:16] wagnerrp: available for a few bucks from any electronics store
[15:57:20] devinheitmueller: Slasher`: basically what you need is one of these: http://www.google.com/products/catalog?q=rca+ . . . =0CFkQ8gIwAw
[15:57:45] Slasher`: ah, i've got one of them
[15:58:10] Slasher`: that just goes into the blue port on the back of my pc?
[15:58:48] devinheitmueller: Slasher`: no, it plugs into the card itself – it's the third jack from the top.
[15:59:23] Slasher`: oooh
[15:59:35] Slasher`: i thought that was for an infra red port lol
[15:59:55] devinheitmueller: No, MCE cards don't have infrared inputs. You're expected to use an MCE compliance remote and blaster.
[16:00:04] Slasher`: ah, fair
[16:01:18] Slasher`: so i'll need to find a scart to s-video and red/white or use an adaptor on the end of my scart to RCA to convert the yellow to s-video then?
[16:03:20] devinheitmueller: If I recall, you'll need the breakout cable to attach to the white header in order to use s-video or composite input.
[16:03:28] devinheitmueller: I could be mistaken about that though.
[16:04:13] Slasher`: fair, i've got one of them that should do it
[16:04:15] devinheitmueller: Oh, it might use a breakout cable. I don't recall.
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[16:04:51] Slasher`: cheers for the help, once again
[16:05:05] devinheitmueller: np
[16:05:07] Slasher`: if you're ever in the uk up nottinghamshire way let me know so i can buy you a drink ;)
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[17:04:23] Beirdo: Captain_Murdoch: yeah, that was my basic feeling too.  :) Good to know that generally speaking we're all on the same page so far. I'll see what danielk thinks as well.
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[17:18:37] kep: Is there known but that when i have 2 dvb-t cards and try to record 2 different channels from different channelgroup (they get shared between device encoders) my filesize keeps for both records only B and it wont even start recording at sometimes. Or am i doing something wrong with config
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[17:22:40] wagnerrp: kep: are you using hybrid tuners, and have not set up the proper input groups to let mythtv know the inputs are mutually exclusive
[17:23:59] kep: wagnerrp: i have different tuners with different cards
[17:24:06] kep: they use different hardware
[17:24:56] kep: and they can only do dvb-t as far as i know. And im only recording dvb-t with them
[17:26:23] kep: i have to admit that i dont fully undestand the idea of input groups etc :\
[17:27:00] wagnerrp: input groups are when you have multiple mutually exclusive inputs
[17:27:18] wagnerrp: for instance a hybrid tuner that shows up as both an analog or digital tuner, but only one can be used at a tinme
[17:27:30] wagnerrp: or external capture off a set to box, using both firewire and analog
[17:30:48] kep: http://pastebin.com/FkjFvEZP i get following type of error when trying to record
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[17:48:02] kep: Hmm. Wondering will the problem be there that i didnt give different priority between record groups
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[18:31:42] flexMVC: hi all
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[18:35:26] flexMVC: what is the consensus for the best hardware for my pc to make a tivo-like system?
[18:36:00] wagnerrp: frontend and backend?
[18:36:18] flexMVC: yes. I just want to use one desktop box.
[18:37:09] flexMVC: i was looking at hdhomerun
[18:37:28] flexMVC: http://www.silicondust.com/support/hdhomerun/ . . . ions/mythtv/
[18:40:51] flexMVC: well, I guess no. I want to view on flat tv screen.
[18:42:44] wagnerrp: why would selection of tuner have anything to do with how or what you output video?
[18:42:46] flexMVC: I would need to get an hdmi out on my pc somehow.
[18:44:07] flexMVC: I need a tuner for my pc. What do people like the best?
[18:45:00] flexMVC: i want to record stuff on pc hard drive, and play on tv.
[18:45:03] wagnerrp: hdhomerun works just fine
[18:45:10] wagnerrp: but you wouldnt use a tuner card for output on a tv
[18:45:25] wagnerrp: so selection of tuner card, and display, have nothing to do with each other
[18:46:13] flexMVC: ok. So what is the cheapest and best tuner to work with MythTV?
[18:46:36] wagnerrp: that depends, what do you want to record?
[18:46:45] flexMVC: air
[18:47:01] flexMVC: air antanna. High def
[18:47:39] flexMVC: i also get comcast internet, so maybe the free channels they give you.
[18:47:45] wagnerrp: then the hdhomerun will work just fine
[18:48:36] kormoc_afk is now known as kormoc
[18:51:12] flexMVC: thanks.
[18:52:49] flexMVC: does mythTv do the tivo-like stuff?
[18:53:30] wagnerrp: is mythtv a PVR? yes
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[18:55:00] flexMVC: thanks
[18:57:48] flexMVC: i assume I don't need another tuner if I use hdhomerun. (Windows media Center requires one running on the box).
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[18:58:57] wagnerrp: mythtv requires at least one input of any type
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[20:50:40] DeviceZer0: hello all. im trying to make a custom rule to record any "enduro" race....in mythtv if i search for it...i see: AMA 2011 Racing Series:
[20:50:40] DeviceZer0: Enduro: Bismark
[20:51:25] DeviceZer0: i tried: program.title LIKE 'AMA 2011 Racing Series: Enduro:%'
[20:51:31] DeviceZer0: but its not finding anything.
[20:53:08] DeviceZer0: in mythweb when u search for something...when u go over a show...the shows title is a clickable link...for that...the only clickable part is "AMA 2011 Racing Series:" and the Enduro: Bismark is like the subtitle?
[20:58:03] DeviceZer0: yay. program.subtitle LIKE '%enduro%'
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[22:42:41] peter__: Hi, have come across the following url which seems to have UK channel assignments in correct order, but being a linux noob I have absolutely no idea how to implement. Could anyone point me in the right direction?
[22:42:42] peter__: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/UK_Channel_Assignm . . . l_assignment
[22:43:22] peter__: in the last combined discription on the page "I Think" it says to run the following command in terminal, " mysql -uroot -p -h192.168.0.2 --database mythconverg < alter channels.sql" but I get the following error
[22:43:22] peter__: "bash: alter-channels.sql: No such file or directory" so pretty sure I am completely misunderstanding everything
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[23:28:15] Niklas__E: anyone have any tips if you use mythweb and added htdigest and I can't login? Useing right user and password
[23:28:54] Niklas__E: [error] [client 127.0.0.1] access to /mythweb failed, reason: verification of user id '<null>' not configured
[23:29:01] Niklas__E: is in the apache2 log
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[23:29:51] kormoc: that seems to say that the username was let blank
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[23:30:32] kormoc: do you have a AuthGroupFile line?
[23:31:18] Niklas__E: nope, I don't think so
[23:31:43] Niklas__E: (useing gentoo)
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[23:42:08] Hoochster: Niklas__E, I have always used this for setting permissions up for mythweb in the past. http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Securing_MythWeb
[23:44:02] kormoc: those instructions send your password in plain text over the interwebs, just so you know
[23:44:40] Niklas__E: aha, well seems more easy
[23:45:29] Hoochster: kormoc, ya I know he was asking specifically about htdigest though so gave him the way! :)
[23:45:49] kormoc: Hoochster, that's not using htdigest, that's using htpassword. Strikingly different solutions
[23:46:02] kormoc: htdigest secures your credentials, htpassword does not
[23:46:15] Hoochster: it uses htdigest to create the file does it not?
[23:46:39] kormoc: no
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[23:46:44] Niklas__E: well, can't seem to get the other to work
[23:46:52] Hoochster: Create a Password File
[23:46:53] Hoochster: You will need to create an htdigest password file — a suggested location is /etc/httpd/conf, but it should be a location that gets backed up regularly.
[23:46:53] Hoochster: htdigest -c /etc/httpd/conf/httpd-passwords MythTV MYUSER1
[23:47:04] Hoochster: is that not the same? not arguing just asking
[23:47:30] kormoc: ooh, the opensuse one is htpasswd, the ubuntu one is htdigest, my mistake
[23:47:34] kormoc: so it has both on the same page
[23:47:37] Hoochster: no worries was making sure heh
[23:47:39] Hoochster: ya
[23:47:48] Hoochster: the wiki hasn't been updated in forever but still the same info
[23:48:09] Hoochster: I always used htdigest in the past, using mythbuntu these days not sure what method it does
[23:53:03] Shadow__X: J-e-f-f-A: hey are you aroun
[23:53:04] Shadow__X: d
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