Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Monday, May 30th, 2011, 00:01 UTC

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Beirdo:

jams: you around?

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karl_:

hi all, i have just reconfigured hardware on my myth box and suddenly whenever i change the volume in myth it mutes the sound

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sphery:

wagnerrp: heh, seems easy to you, but takes forever for us :)

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karl_:

i can see the volume changing in myth-osd but in gnome-panel the sound is muted

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karl_:

it mutes even when i press vol-up, i.e. ]

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jams:

Beirdo- yes..doing work in another window but present

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wagnerrp:

aww

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wagnerrp:

im using methods not added until 2.7

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Beirdo:

jams: heya. We had to reboot the server a week or so back, and the smolt stuff needs restarting

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Beirdo:

do you have it written out somewhere how? :)

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jams:

written out no..but i think I left an init script in the dir. but couldn't do anything with it due to lack of admin rights. let me check

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jams:

so yeah. normally i run /opt/smolt/smolt.init as my userid

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Beirdo:

OK

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jams:

the init script doesn't switch users, but it probably should if it's going to be part of the init

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jams:

boot

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jams:

i just started it

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Beirdo:

beautiful, thanks

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Beirdo:

I notice every time I restart my frontend (which is a lot while debugging)

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jams:

np

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Beirdo:

it's trying to do a 30-day update, and kept getting 503s back

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Beirdo:

:)

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jams:

ah

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Beirdo:

dangit, ffmpeg!

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Beirdo:

stop changing filters!

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Beirdo:

OK, there we go

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Beirdo:

at least ffmpeg has nice changelogs

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sphery:

wagnerrp: you gonna update job_queue_idle.py?

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sphery:

oh, nvm... you did

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wagnerrp:

i had some other things i needed to add to it

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wagnerrp:

sphery: added a Management Scripts category too

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Beirdo:

I'd like to sometime run a cropdetect filter so we can properly re-letterbox, etc after removing the black bars teh broadcasters may have added

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wagnerrp:

there were a handful of things that were otherwise uncategorized that it made sense for

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wagnerrp:

do what now?

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sphery:

makes sense

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Beirdo:

heh, for nuvexport... use ffmpeg's cropdetect filter to crop off any black bars the broadcaster put on first

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Beirdo:

especially useful for BBC America

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wagnerrp:

but why re-letterbox after de-letterboxing it?

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wagnerrp:

i dont understand

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Beirdo:

because the output format you want may be a different aspect ratio than the input video

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Beirdo:

i.e. DVD

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Beirdo:

err.

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Beirdo:

eg. DVD

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Beirdo:

:)

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: for instance... BBC America... broadcast in SD, with widescreen content

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wagnerrp:

FFS... PCI-X video cards?

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wagnerrp:

its not that hard, the correct term is written right on the box

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Beirdo:

rip off the letterboxing, regenerate with proper black letterboxing afger crop/resize, etc.

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Beirdo:

and then make DVD in 4:3

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Beirdo:

as the DVD creation tools didn't (might now) handle animorphic all that well

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Beirdo:

you get better encoding by not encoding the letterboxing as video, but rather as padding

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wagnerrp:

i thought the mpeg transmissions were already encoded as that

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wagnerrp:

wouldnt the ffmpeg encoders simply follow suit?

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wagnerrp:

or does the fact that its being streamed out of mythtranscode break that?

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Beirdo:

correct, we decode it

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Beirdo:

and then go from YUV frames

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Beirdo:

and not all broadcasters do it right in the first place

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Beirdo:

so basically, this would let us re-encode with as little waste as possible

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Beirdo:

oh, was there anything yet outstanding in the new command-line parser?

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sphery:

that would be nice... I re-encoded once, but then I was sweeping up bits in my computer rooms for months

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sphery:

they get everywhere...

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Beirdo:

thinking of merging it (and new-logging) soon into master

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: honestly, i havent looked at the stuff in probably a month now

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sphery:

new logging brings in the command-line parser stuff, too, right?

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Beirdo:

sphery: sure does

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wagnerrp:

yeah, he snagged it up

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sphery:

yay

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Beirdo:

it was either that or end up doing a lot of work in parallel and duplicating efforts

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sphery:

so, let's get this straight... I had a TODO for the command-line parser stuff, which I pawned off on wagnerrp, and he wrote the code, then Beirdo picked it up and started maintaining it in new-logging

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sphery:

"once around the bases"

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Beirdo:

yeah

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sphery:

nice to get you all involved in doing my TODOs

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Beirdo:

hehe, just happens our TODOs have significant intersections

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sphery:

yeah, really I'm just a very good salesman

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sphery:

much better at that than I am at coding

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Beirdo:

heh, that too

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Beirdo:

well...

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Beirdo:

you do fine

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sphery:

oooh, guess I should have said, "Beirdo picked it up and started maintaining it in new-logging, a branch he created to do my new logging TODO that I had pawned off on him"

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Beirdo:

I think you missed a spot in your patch. PHP bindings.

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sphery:

there's no db schema info stored in them

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Beirdo:

oh

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sphery:

they're evil

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Beirdo:

heh

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sphery:

we need to add that in, eventually

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Beirdo:

OK then. not you that missed it, they're just missing

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sphery:

especially since one of the recent schema changes required an update to the php bindings

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sphery:

(the future/scheduler one)

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Beirdo:

yeah

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sphery:

I was very surprised that we didn't have more users reporting bugs on it... just got a couple)

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Beirdo:

hahah

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Beirdo:

crap

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

#9810

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Beirdo:

I went through that like 10 times

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Beirdo:

OK, let's put that in

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sphery:

stupid git

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sphery:

rejected my push because master changed

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

beat you

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sphery:

(I realize I'm part of the stupidity, here, but I prefer to place all blame on git)

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Beirdo:

now now...

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Beirdo:

it's just a tool. Don't be a tool as well :)

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Beirdo:

holy crap

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Beirdo:

render-stat.py uses a lot of CPU at times

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sphery:

oops, forgot my fixes #9789

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

I forget such things at times too

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sphery:

maybe I just did that so that my name goes on it, instead of "Github"

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Beirdo:

heh

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sphery:

wagnerrp: got some time? http://code.mythtv.org/buildbot/builders/0.24 . . . bit/builds/6

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wagnerrp:

sphery: probably something in one of the compat headers

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sphery:

wagnerrp: yeah, see the #if defined(__FreeBSD__) at https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/blob/fixes%2 . . . eodev_myth.h

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sphery:

that's what's tripping it up--specifically, lines 9–14

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sphery:

did you have a patch for this back when we had videodev_myth.h in the source?

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sphery:

wasn't it something to do with STRICT_ANSI or similar?

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wagnerrp:

i dont recall having to do anything with that

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wagnerrp:

i can throw together a 0.23 build to test if you want

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wagnerrp:

ive actually got one set up and ready

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wagnerrp:

just need a clean/checkout/configure/make

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sphery:

does your sys/types.h or stdint.h have typedefs for those? like __u32

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sphery:

would be nice to see if it works on 0.23-fixes

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sphery:

0.23-fixes doesn't have the #include <stdint.h>

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wagnerrp:

no, as indicated by the error, its a local copy of the v4l headers

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wagnerrp:

/usr/local/include/linux/videodev2.h

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wagnerrp:

included in the distribution for linux source compatibility

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sphery:

so bsd has a videodev2.h?

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wagnerrp:

(freebsd is more compatible with linux than linux itself)

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wagnerrp:

:)

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sphery:

and a linux include dir

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sphery:

is the build slave on your system? if you remove line 8 (the include of stdint.h), does it compile?

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sphery:

wagnerrp: so, in 0.23-fixes, we had both videodev_myth.h and videodev2_myth.h in place

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sphery:

maybe that's the difference

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sphery:

and ignore the line 8 question

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sphery:

I see what you were talking about-your videodev2 has those (which is very different from Linux's videodev2)

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wagnerrp:

but, im already halfway through the compile

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sphery:

yeah, the 0.23-fixes had a videodev2_myth.h, which doesn't have the __u32 and such typedefs

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sphery:

https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/blob/fixes%2 . . . odev2_myth.h

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sphery:

so we weren't using bsd's videodev2.h before

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sphery:

maybe just put an #if defined(USING_MINGW) || CONFIG_DARWIN around the typedefs

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sphery:

(and why isn't that defined(CONFIG_DARWIN)

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

because CONFIG_DARWIN is 0 if not on OSX, I think

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Beirdo:

confusing lot of crap

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sphery:

ah, so it's defined, but has a 0 value

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Beirdo:

I believe so

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wagnerrp:

sphery: same error with that line commented out

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sphery:

line 8?

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sphery:

if so, that's what I eventually expected :)

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sphery:

I think we need to not do those typedefs for freebsd since your freebsd version of linux/videodev2.h already has the typedefs

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Beirdo:

yeah, CONFIG_DARWIN is in config.h as 0 on my linux system

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sphery:

(says they're conflicting, but I'm assuming compatible)

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Beirdo:

it nice to have TV-watching time

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Beirdo:

woohoo

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Beirdo:

just saw my HDPVR get power-cycled

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sphery:

nice

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sphery:

except for the fact that it

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sphery:

needed it

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Beirdo:

good thing I watched this week's Game of Thrones last week online from HBO

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Beirdo:

it just got tossed

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Beirdo:

on again on Tuesday... OK

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Beirdo:

yeah, sucks that it was needed

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Beirdo:

I saw the ASK_RECORDING for the HDPVR... it never lit up when it was time to record... then CLICK..... CLICK

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Beirdo:

hehe

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clever:

nice :)

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jst:

Okay, so I cannot select H.264 as the "card type" and add my HD-PVR (cat /dev/video0 > test.ts shows it's working just fine). I ran mythfrontend --version and I don't see anything like "hdpvr" listed. Does that mean this package (using ATrpms for Fedora) was built WITHOUT hdpvr support?

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sphery:

jst: what distro?

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sphery:

er... just saw

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sphery:

what kernel?

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jst:

Fedora 15, one sec.

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kormoc:

jst, mythbackend --version will tell you. You want using_hdpvr

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jst:

2.6.38.6–27

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Beirdo:

jst: is v4l enabled?

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Beirdo:

oh

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Beirdo:

never mind then

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jst:

Yup. Not there.

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sphery:

you need a version of mythtv 0.24-fixes from about an hour ago or later

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jst:

mythbackend --version | grep pvr == no go.

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jst:

Really? Was there a bug?

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Beirdo:

more of a design choice on the part of the kernel maintainers

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kormoc:

jst 2.6.38 removed v4l, we used it, we had to port to v4l2 for that kernel

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sphery:

no, we just didn't support usage on 2.6.38-based systems

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sphery:

now we do

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Beirdo:

and we are now catching up :)

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wagnerrp:

sphery: i thought the HDPVR stuff did work on 2.6.38

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jst:

Crap.

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jst:

I really don't want to compile it from source.

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sphery:

https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/a163dc822 --actually 2hrs old

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jst:

Can I install an older kernel?

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, worked fine, just needed older kernel headers to compile it

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wagnerrp:

but the mythbuntu patch enabled v4l at the expense of the hdpvr

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sphery:

you can pressure the atrpms maintainers to put out a build of that version :)

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kormoc:

jst, no, you need it compiled against older kernel headers or use the new code

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sphery:

because it needs to be done

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sphery:

jst: in other words, the running kernel is irrelevant, it's the kernel version whose headers were used to build your libs that is important

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jst:

Yeah. There are 3 people in their IRC channel.

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jst:

Or were earlier, anyway.

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jst:

I guess I'll just try to compile it.

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sphery:

so you need to replace the whole linux kernel headers and libs to get a version that works

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jst:

Ohh.

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sphery:

wagnerrp: btw, are you working on the FreeBSD compile stuff?

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sphery:

did I bury you in a big hole of compile issues?

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sphery:

If not, I'm thinking of just putting an #if in there to not include those typedefs

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wagnerrp:

nope, havent been looking at it

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sphery:

ok

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sphery:

I'll try a random change and see if it fixes it

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jst:

Maybe I'll try CentOS for the backend.

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Beirdo:

heh

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wagnerrp:

trying to figure out just what package was pulled into add those headers

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sphery:

to add linux/videodev2.h?

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wagnerrp:

yeah

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jst:

sphery: so, if I reinstalled with Fedora 14, but used the same repository... would I have the same issue?

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sphery:

ah, just wondered

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jst:

(assuming it's using a different kernel)

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kormoc:

jst, yes. It's the kernel headers that was used to compile the package, not the running kernel

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jst:

Gotcha.

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jst:

Thanks.

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jst:

I'll try the other repository. This is going to get ugly.

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kormoc:

that's only a valid statement for the hdpvr. The other v4l devices need the older kernel and the older headers

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wagnerrp:

v4l_compat-1.0.20101027_1

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sphery:

wagnerrp: so, should I push this and see what buildbot says or do you want to attempt a compile with it, first? http://pastebin.com/D7xZDFux

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Beirdo:

yay, HDPVR is recording. :)

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prologic:

My next mythtv box is going to use these parts http://shortcircuit.net.au/~prologic/build.gif ... Any comments/suggestsions ?

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wagnerrp:

what processor?

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Beirdo:

I was just gonna say... seems to be brainless

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wagnerrp:

oh... one of the fusion ones

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wagnerrp:

no, do not buy a fusion

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wagnerrp:

personally, ive had a bad experience with gskill

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wagnerrp:

hard to get stable even at its advertised speed

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wagnerrp:

the dvd drive, do you really need one?

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wagnerrp:

and the case, justinh has one (i think), and he doesnt much like it

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sphery:

yeah, that's the 1.6GHz dual-core fusion

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sphery:

CPU performance is not as great, as Zacate manages to beat the Atom, but not K8 or C2D based parts, even the entry level ones.

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sphery:

Still, this is quite impressive for a 75mm2 die with an 18W TDP, as it's simply not in the same league as 25W or 35W parts.

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sphery:

per: http://www.fudzilla.com/processors/item/20874 . . . nce-revealed

[03:36:04]

wagnerrp:

in other words, its all crap!

[03:36:09]

wagnerrp:

except for the tuner, the tuner is good

[03:36:10]

wagnerrp:

:)

[03:37:59]

wagnerrp:

prologic: this is an all-in-one unit?

[03:39:23]

wagnerrp:

uh oh

[03:39:40]

wagnerrp:

time until this one gets suggested on the mailing list? http://www.origenboard.org/

[03:39:51]

prologic:

heh

[03:40:01]

prologic:

so no one like the boards or it's embedded cpu

[03:40:17]

wagnerrp:

prologic: its a fine board, just not for mythtv

[03:40:35]

wagnerrp:

the CPU doesnt have the power to decode HD video in software

[03:40:46]

wagnerrp:

the GPU is poorly supported in Linux

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sphery:

wagnerrp: just get one of the new macbook airs with the ARM chip... that would be the perfe--oops, that will get me kicked

[03:40:56]

prologic:

hmm

[03:41:18]

prologic:

http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page . . . ath=138_1019

[03:41:26]

prologic:

how about any of these Mini-ITX boards then ?

[03:41:44]

prologic:

and doesn't the HVR-2200 have hardware MPEG decoders onboard anyway ?

[03:42:01]

wagnerrp:

no, the 2200 does not have mpeg decoders

[03:42:55]

wagnerrp:

this one is nice... http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page . . . cts_id=17010

[03:43:36]

prologic:

with what CPU ?

[03:43:53]

prologic:

funny you pick the cheapest board :)

[03:43:57]

prologic:

but I guess it's a board (no CPU)

[03:44:28]

wagnerrp:

any LGA1155 i3

[03:44:39]

prologic:

an Intel i3 ?

[03:44:57]

wagnerrp:

such as an i3 2100

[03:45:58]

prologic:

http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page . . . cts_id=16725

[03:45:59]

prologic:

this one ?

[03:47:04]

wagnerrp:

should do fine

[03:47:14]

prologic:

ok so no AMD Fusion CPU/GPU

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prologic:

:)

[03:47:41]

wagnerrp:

an Athlon II X2 would do fine, but then you need discrete nvidia graphics

[03:47:51]

wagnerrp:

unless you can still find an 8200-based board

[03:49:13]

wagnerrp:

sphery: whats with that commit message?

[03:49:16]

prologic:

http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page . . . cts_id=17011

[03:49:19]

prologic:

how about this board instead ?

[03:49:23]

prologic:

with a similar CPU

[03:49:32]

prologic:

I need the board to have inbuilt wireless

[03:49:37]

prologic:

no Ethernet where this is going :/

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wagnerrp:

do you intend to have any remote frontends?

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prologic:

umm no

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sphery:

wagnerrp: repetition is the key to learning?

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iamlindoro:

repetition is the key to learning

[03:50:26]

iamlindoro:

repetition is the key to learning

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wagnerrp:

prologic: go for it

[03:50:35]

prologic:

I would build a 1RU/2RU rack mounted box as a backend server

[03:50:42]

prologic:

cool

[03:50:44]

prologic:

thanks guys! :)

[03:50:51]

prologic:

I'll update with the changes to the board/cpu :)

[03:51:16]

wagnerrp:

wait, this is not your backend?

[03:51:48]

prologic:

it is the backend/frontend

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wagnerrp:

sphery: no joy

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sphery:

:(

[03:52:08]

wagnerrp:

prologic: but you mentioned building a separate backend

[03:52:11]

prologic:

you know a normal mythtv box :)

[03:52:13]

sphery:

guess the buildbot will tell me that soon

[03:52:30]

prologic:

wagnerrp, if I were to build a seaparate one that is ... I'd build a beefier rack-mounted server

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wagnerrp:

prologic: in which case you wouldnt have to worry about wireless, because you would be running wires

[03:53:03]

prologic:

exactly :)

[03:53:11]

prologic:

but since I live in a rental, I need the wifi :)

[03:53:19]

wagnerrp:

sphery: scratch that

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prologic:

you know ... so you can get access to the net, tv guides, etc

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wagnerrp:

warnings, not failures

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sphery:

ahhh

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sphery:

heh, I see buildbot thought it was ok

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wagnerrp:

lots and lots of lots of warnings

[03:54:00]

wagnerrp:

although only two more than the linux build

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sphery:

yeah, but I figure that Beirdo just fixed a few, so we need to put a few back

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: is MNV not working in trunk?

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iamlindoro:

Working on the version I'm running

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iamlindoro:

something a few days before the IPv6 commits

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sphery:

wagnerrp: are you getting any specific errors?

[03:56:00]

wagnerrp:

im something a few days after the ipv6 commit, running ipv6

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wagnerrp:

nothing specific, more the whole thing

[03:56:29]

wagnerrp:

not properly polling a list of available grabbers

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wagnerrp:

so i cant subscribe to anything to test it

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sphery:

are you May 23, 3:08pm or after?

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wagnerrp:

unless they moved, the old XML methods arent working any longer

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iamlindoro:

Just tested that, works ok here

[03:57:23]

iamlindoro:

The XML methods have been renamed, but still exist and work on my version

[03:57:25]

wagnerrp:

seems im running e8e1775

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wagnerrp:

still Myth/GetInternetSources?

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iamlindoro:

No

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iamlindoro:

InternetContent

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wagnerrp:

i did see at least one spot in the code where the IP wasnt properly bracketed

[03:58:20]

iamlindoro:

g0292884

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sphery:

was afraid it might have been https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/032e2cb2a , but it worked fine for me--subscribing and pulling, both

[03:59:00]

wagnerrp:

friggen firefox

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wagnerrp:

any time i try to open a page manually

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sphery:

sounds like it's something else for you

[03:59:15]

iamlindoro:

backendip:6544/InternetContent/GetInternetSources is working properly here (and obviously, in the UI too)

[03:59:18]

wagnerrp:

it redirects me to some cache png screenshot

[04:00:01]

wagnerrp:

yeah, hitting that page manually works

[04:00:18]

wagnerrp:

let me find the line i was concerned about before...

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iamlindoro:

I really can't speak to anything pertaining to IPv6 changes

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Beirdo:

[cropdetect @ 0x1785920] x1:6 x2:715 y1:58 y2:413 w:704 h:352 x:10 y:60 pos:0 pts:242387500 t:242.387500 crop=704:352:10:60

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iamlindoro:

I can only say that it worked before them, and if they broke them, someone who knows about them is going to need to fix it, I haven't the means to test

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Beirdo:

that's Top Gear on BBC America

[04:01:44]

Beirdo:

the actual useful parg it 704x352 out of 720x480

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wagnerrp:

yeah... https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/blob/master/ . . . mmon.cpp#L65

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wagnerrp:

im thinking that needs to be "[%1]"

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wagnerrp:

well... one way to find out...

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iamlindoro:

Presumably then, it's still working fine in trunk for IPv4?

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sphery:

line 65?

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sphery:

er,... yeah, that's what it said

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wagnerrp:

dont know, cant run ipv4

[04:03:39]

sphery:

mis-copied

[04:03:45]

prologic:

http://shortcircuit.net.au/~prologic/output.pdf

[04:04:07]

prologic:

someone mentioned something about the case ?

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** iamlindoro wonders what's so hard about copying and pasting text, anyway **

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wagnerrp:

prologic: might want to wait around a couple hours for justinh

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wagnerrp:

i think hes got one, and ive heard him complain about it

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prologic:

ok

[04:05:22]

prologic:

be good to see what he doesn't like :)

[04:05:40]

prologic:

I don't really know much about what's a good mini-itx case

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prologic:

for a media box anyway :)

[04:06:34]

lapion:

hello, when I select a downloadable theme the backend does appear to download the theme, but doesn't pass it through to the frontend

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lapion:

and I cannot interrupt the "downloading" window.....

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lapion:

I mean I cannot seem to stop the "Downloading" progress ..

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lapion:

can a theme change take more then a minute ?

[04:11:14]

lapion:

if I see the download for the backend took less then some secs ?

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sphery:

all I can say is that some users are having issues with that and the dev who wrote that code is planning to look into it soon

[04:11:43]

sphery:

for me, I tried it and it failed the first time (but I let it timeout), then tried it again immediately after, and it succeeded

[04:12:03]

wagnerrp:

sphery: yes, thats the general behavior

[04:12:17]

wagnerrp:

one or two failues, possibly followed by a restart of the frontend

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wagnerrp:

and then the theme takes effect

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lapion:

have tried it several times, and now after analysing the url iptraf gave to me backend did not download the theme at all..

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lapion:

hmm only live-tv playback doesn't work, all other recording(s) work, even playback of all recordings work..

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Beirdo:

calgary gets the shaft?

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Beirdo:

oh wow, my coworker's gonna be happy

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Beirdo:

Boston vs Vancouver in the Stanley Cup finals

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Beirdo:

I believe he said "if it happens, I *AM* going to a game in Vancouver"

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Beirdo:

hehe, we'll see about that, I bet

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Beirdo:

he's a Boston fan in Seattle

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prologic:

So an all-in-one mythtv box ... What's the minimum CPU/GPU requirements ? Obviously I've just found out the AMD Fusion doesn't quite cut it :)

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prologic:

what does ?

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[R]:

minimum for what

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tank-man:

why isn't an 'netbook' class cpu enough to play standard definition content?

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[R]:

tank-man: what does a "netbook" class mean?

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tank-man:

isn't the amd fusion cpus/gpus ment to compete with intel atom

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[R]:

no clue what an amd fusion is

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tank-man:

computers that are not meant to play games but to just do like office work

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[R]:

but amd/ati just sucks all around to begin with whne it comes to graphics

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prologic:

k see this is what I'm talking about

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[R]:

do you hav an actual mythtv question?

[05:43:27]

prologic:

what are the minimum requirements for a MythTV all-in-one box with a digitical HDTV tuner ?

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prologic:

There isn't much on the wiki that hints at this in particular that I can find

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[R]:

prologic: minimum for what

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** [R] thinks he just said that **

[05:44:05]

prologic:

you did

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prologic:

and I have no idea how to answer that

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prologic:

minimum to work ? minimum to do anything ?

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tank-man:

prologic, the same that is required to play back the recorded video

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prologic:

umm <insert something here>

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[R]:

what does a 'mythtv all-in-one box' mean?

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prologic:

tank-man, woudln't that mean any cpu/gpu

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prologic:

as long as we're not talking about an old 486 here

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tank-man:

yea

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prologic:

[R], dude seriously

[05:45:21]

prologic:

this terminology is used on the MythTV wiki

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[R]:

where?

[05:45:31]

prologic:

I _assume_ an all-in-one means both backend and frontend

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prologic:

I'm not making this stuff up :)

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[R]:

i never assume anything

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[R]:

you shod'ut assume if you have no clue what you are talking about

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[R]:

digital recording doesnt require much

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[R]:

hd digital playback requires enough oompfh in the cpu and/or in the graphics card

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[R]:

commflagging requires a lot of oompfh in the cpu

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prologic:

tank-man, I sepced up a system with an Intel Core i3 – but I tend to think it's a bit overkill :)

[05:47:57]

tank-man:

you should probably look into if you can even get that HD content recorded

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tank-man:

drm, encryption, etc

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prologic:

why would you not be able to ?

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tank-man:

drm, encryption, greed

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prologic:

it's Free-to-Air :)

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tank-man:

then there is no drm :P

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prologic:

I'm pretty sure our TV channels in AU are not encrypted

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[R]:

again with the assuming

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prologic:

dude

[05:49:55]

prologic:

I live here!

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prologic:

geez

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[R]:

then say it confidently

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prologic:

only our cable tv (FoxTel) is encrypted

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Beirdo:

say it loud, and say it proud... BLEEEEEP you!

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Beirdo:

I miss George Carlin

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prologic:

hmm

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prologic:

been doing lots of reading on this but I can't decide on IR stuff

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Beirdo:

mceusb is generally the simplest

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prologic:

yeah I was looking at that but where's the IR Receiver ?

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prologic:

the MCE Remote that is

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[R]:

where?

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prologic:

and I have no idea if the HVR-2200 has a builtin IR Receiver

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[R]:

wherever you plug it in?

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prologic:

oh you mean the MCE Remote is a complete kit, remote and receiver ?

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jerry_l:

i think i have the HVR 1600, it has single mp2 processor and i think the 2200 has 2 mp2 processors and 2 simutainus inputs.

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jerry_l:

my 1600 has a cord that has a IR on it that plugs into the card, and came with a remote

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prologic:

did you get that working ok ?

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jerry_l:

i heard the remote works perfect on WMCE. i never have set up the remote

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prologic:

well of course it works perfect on WMCE :)

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prologic:

heh

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plut0:

can anyone help? just upgraded getting this error now, Error: MythTV database has newer Video schema (1033) than expected (1032)

[06:13:57]

jerry_l:

i only use it as a PVR (time schedule) put the cable box on the right channel and watch it later

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[R]:

plut0: upgraded what

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plut0:

[R]: all mythtv packages

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jerry_l:

what sys are you running myth on?

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[R]:

plut0: do you have 1 machine or multiple machiens?

[06:15:21]

plut0:

[R]: 1

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[R]:

plut0: try restarting the frontend

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plut0:

[R]: same thing

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[R]:

sounds like yo uscrewed someting up real good

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[R]:

possibly updated and then downgraded

[06:16:26]

[R]:

or got your packages screwy

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plut0:

no downgrade just upgraded

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[R]:

well you scrwed somethign up with your apcakges

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[R]:

not myth's problem

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plut0:

great so how do i fix it

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[R]:

you screwd up somethig with your dists crappy pacakges

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[R]:

so talk to them

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prologic:

plut0, what rdbms are you using ?

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plut0:

prologic: what are you asking? what package management?

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prologic:

no

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prologic:

your database

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plut0:

prologic: mysql

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Beirdo:

it's mysql, of course.

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Beirdo:

that's all that's supported

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prologic:

then I suggest dumping and backing it up

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prologic:

re-install the newer schema

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prologic:

and import

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prologic:

you might have to do some fiddling of the data though

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prologic:

Beirdo, I haven't installed MythTV in a few years :) I thought we'd have more support for other dbs by now :)

[06:20:42]

Beirdo:

no, and we never will

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Beirdo:

it's far too much pointless work

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plut0:

so if i restore database you think it'll fix this?

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Beirdo:

did you back it up before your upgrade?

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prologic:

no that's not what I said

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plut0:

Beirdo: yes

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Beirdo:

good.

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Beirdo:

in that case you might not be totally hosed

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Beirdo:

heh

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plut0:

suggestions?

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Beirdo:

it's complaining it's too new?

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Beirdo:

if so, it sounds like the frontend and backend aren't the same version

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plut0:

Error: MythTV database has newer Video schema (1033) than expected (1032)

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plut0:

is that specific to mythvideo?

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Beirdo:

yes

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plut0:

hmm

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plut0:

yup looks like mythvideo is newer than the other packages

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Beirdo:

all of the versions have to be the same

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: I'd love to see dtrace on mythbackend sometime

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plut0:

well i restored database, started mythtv-setup, started mythbackend then frontend and still have schema error

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Kelerion:

hola! buenos días!

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Kelerion:

I forgot I'd left this on all weekend at work

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Kelerion:

oh... that reminds me.. who here is called Ian and lives in Fuengirola?

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prologic:

justinh, you around ?

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justinh:

what is it? nobody else around to help? Sheesh

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justinh:

1:1 help is $200 an hour today

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sid3windr:

I can also accept payment in 18 year old virgins in case $200 is out of reach

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justinh:

I doubt they even exist in most countries these days

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sid3windr:

:]

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justinh:

anyway, today I'm in the kind of mood where I'm apt to add somebody to my special list for coming here & asking for me by name. Got a hung over feeling without excessive (or even ANY) drinking the day/night before. Very annoying

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prologic:

justinh, lol no no I just wanted to ask you about the Silverstone case you supposedly have ? :)

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prologic:

hah

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prologic:

I'm planning on buying the same case

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jollster101:

Hi all, got a problem with getting my mythbuntu combined fe/be to resume from suspend using a dell ir receiver and an mce remote. Anyone's area of expertise?

[11:13:45]

justinh:

#mythbuntu or #ubuntu

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jollster101:

mythbuntu

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jollster101:

I know I can enable the USB ports using echo "USB1" > /proc/acpi/wakeup for all of the USB ports on my system but I want to try and enable the one USB port that the ir transceiver is connected to

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jollster101:

I dont know how to pinpoint exactly which USB port it is

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jollster101:

if I use cat /proc/acpi/wakeup then I get a lot of UHC ports and only one USB port which is USB4. Because USB4 is the only port that shows in the command does that mean my ir receiver must be connected to that one?

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justinh:

no I suggested those are the channels you might like to try instead :)

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jollster101:

hehe, ah right

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Muzer:

it's odd

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Muzer:

if I try to watch a radio channel on DTT, I get an error about too many dropped video packets (you don't say!)

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Muzer:

but if I record a radio channel, it'll play back fine

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Muzer:

well, I did sometimes, it seems to have fixed itself now :p

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Muzer:

oh, perhaps because I'm recording something now (not sure why that would affect it)

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Muzer:

but I'll try again after this recording has finished

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jst:

Anyone here good with Fedora? "yum remove mythtv" is not removing any of the dependencies.

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lapion:

hmm I cannot change channels when watching live tv, only if I watch livetv in a pip channel switching works

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Zanzabat:

Hi guys, i'm after recommendations for a distro to run mythfrontend. I'm currently running a diskless arch booting via PXE and NFS. I'd like to keep the network boot but i'd prefer something other than arch as rolling release is not really appropriate for this setup.

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Guinness2702:

Every hour, I get an email from the mythtv cronjob telling me it failed. The log file contains the following messages. Any idea what might be wrong / how to fix? : ! Warning – MythTV python bindings could not be imported, error(No module named database) && NameError: name 'DBData' is not defined

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Guinness2702:

nb: read "&&" as these are two separate messages, in the above :)

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wagnerrp:

Guinness2702: means youre running a script against an old version of the bindings

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wagnerrp:

wo... no 2.8, just straight to 3.0

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sid3windr:

Linux 2011 SP1 !

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Guinness2702:

wagnerrp, how/where do I get new bindings?

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wagnerrp:

they come with mythtv

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Guinness2702:

So how do I use/activate them?

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Guinness2702:

I just used a package manager to upgrade

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wagnerrp:

if you updated mythtv, and it did not update the bindings

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wagnerrp:

then you need to ask them how they screwed up

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Guinness2702:

Who are "they" ?

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wagnerrp:

those would build the packages that have apparently not updated your bindings to match the cron job they enabled

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Guinness2702:

Right – I just installed mythbuntu-repos and updated :\

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Guinness2702:

apt-cache showpkg mythtv-backend

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Guinness2702:

oops

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ben__:

dpkg -l | grep myth

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ben__:

all those should be teh same version ideally

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Guinness2702:

hmm – so I have two libmyth – 0.23 and .24. And, libmyth-python is 0.23!! Lets see if I can do that manually

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wagnerrp:

libmyth-python?

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Guinness2702:

ii libmyth-python 2:0.24.1+fixes.20110530.8e4a3c3–0ubuntu0mythbuntu1 A python library to access some MythTV featu

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** wagnerrp doesnt understand why there cant just be a monolithic 'mythtv' **

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Guinness2702:

also mythtv-database at 0.23

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wagnerrp:

mythtv does not provide a database

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wagnerrp:

that mythtv-database package is literally nothing

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Guinness2702:

well, dpkg -l lists a "mythtv-database"

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ben__:

it's still a package tho wagnerrp

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ben__:

"This package sets up a MySQL database for use by MythTV...."

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Guinness2702:

W00t! one one etc.. Thanks ben, that seems to have done the trick

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Guinness2702:

cronjob now runs with a 0 exit code :)

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ben__:

cool

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Guinness2702:

so, something in the package dependencies is fux0red

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jst:

If I compile MythTV from source, it installs all the binaries into /usr/local/bin. Is there a way to make it put things like mythbackend into /etc/init.d (or, more precisely, a script in /etc/init.d/mythbackend)?

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wagnerrp:

mythtv does not come with init scripts

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wagnerrp:

if you dont want to write your own

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wagnerrp:

you can find an assortment of them here... http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Category:Startup_Scripts

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wagnerrp:

in other news, the lkml mailing list archive has become slashdotted

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wagnerrp:

james bond bluray collections volumes 1–3, $20 each at best buy

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wagnerrp:

jst: did you get anything before you timed out?

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wagnerrp:

so if git blocks a pull until you stash local chanes

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wagnerrp:

but it automatically merges those changes when you pop off the stash

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wagnerrp:

why cant it just automatically merge them when you pull?

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ben__:

hm, what key is it that skips in sections?

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ben__:

I used to have PgDown/PgUp but that seems to skip in 10 min blocks

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Kelerion:

evening peeps

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ben__:

Aha, Left/Right is what I'm after

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ben__:

evening Kelerion

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Kelerion:

its a small world... I'ved lived in Spain now for 2 years... before that.. was using Myth for years.. my company recieved a CV for a new job last week.. turns out he uses Myth too and has for what sounds like as many years as me...

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Kelerion:

and he's been in this channel plenty of times over the years too

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: but that was a critical issue you closed with no regard

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wagnerrp:

and it was highly severe as well

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iamlindoro:

Yeah, forgot to get the ticket cubmitters permission to close his ticket. I'm such a jerk.

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iamlindoro:

s/cubmitters/submitters/

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** wagnerrp considers a check to ensure all tickets have at least 3/4 of their characters <127 **

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zertyu:

hello`

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zertyu:

mythtv not syncing with my freebox

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justinh:

prologic: just caught the scrollback. Yeah I have an LC02. It's pretty awful. Not worth the money they want for it. Flimsy internal metalwork, very thin metal for the back & sides. very poor airflow if you put fans in the provided locations. May be improved with a much larger fan in the lid, but who wants to have to take cutting tools to such an expensive box? Looks-wise it's very plain and has blue power & HDD LED

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justinh:

oh and the HDD placement on the internal bracket doesn't account for a 2.5" drive

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justinh:

the PSU is quiet though. I guess that's a plus

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justinh:

zertyu: it's highly unlikely you'll run into anybody else using a freebox as a source here

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zertyu:

can you tell me the definition about highly unlikely ?

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zertyu:

never heard that before

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justinh:

zertyu: maybe we see somebody talk about freebox here once every couple of years or so

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justinh:

none of the regular people use one

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justinh:

we don't see many people from France here either :)

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zertyu:

so what the solution ?

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justinh:

prologic: ah, and the only kind of system I'd recommend for use with the LC02 is one with integrated graphics. Anything with a heatsink/fan on a right-angled riser is not gonna be cooled properly in that case

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justinh:

zertyu: I don't know. Maybe try looking in the logs. You know, the usual places

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justinh:

I don't know what you mean by 'not syncing'. I've never used a freebox as a source for mythtv and I doubt anyone currently in channel has either

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justinh:

and as far as I know I don't even think the current mythtv release has been tested with freebox. It might even be broken

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justinh:

Hahahaha. See-Saw, the UK online TV streaming business, is to close. One flash-based streaming biz down, several more to go

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ben__:

never heard of it :)

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pladijs:

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pladijs:

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plut0:

recently i upgraded mythtv and its plugins and now i'm getting an error MythTV database has newer Video schema (1033) than expected (1032). all the plugins are version 0.23.1 build 25396 and mythtv is 0.23.1 build 25427, how can i fix this?

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justinh:

plut0: they all have to be the same version, should be easy enough if your friendly local package manager has provided them, and you haven't mixed sources

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Beirdo:

as I told you yesterday... they have to be the same version

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justinh:

e.g. mixing packages & compiled yourself

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Beirdo:

those are NOT the same version

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justinh:

the build number has to be the same too

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plut0:

mythtv has to be same version as the plugins?

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Beirdo:

there are 31 commits between those

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Beirdo:

yes

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prologic:

justinh, thanks for that – my partner actually likes the case (we haven't bought it yet!) — If you were to do this again, what case would you go for ? An VFD is a nice to have but optional, but an IR Receiver that works saves me getting one :)

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plut0:

a little challenging considering gentoo doesn't have the same build for mythtv

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Beirdo:

well, that would be gentoo's problem

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plut0:

and thus my problem

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justinh:

what case? no case. my next frontend will be the backend

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justinh:

and FWIW I see no merit in putting a VFD on a frontend whatsoever :)

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Beirdo:

[25396]

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MythLogBot:

SVN 25396: (branch fixes/0.23) https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/c6fffdab

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plut0:

Beirdo: thanks i was looking for that

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prologic:

justinh, I'm still tempted to buy it despite your experiences with it ... ok so it has shotty metal work, poor air flow :)

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prologic:

it'll do right ? :)

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prologic:

but I do agree, I can't really see myself using the VFD for anything (if at all)

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Beirdo:

plut0: why are you using 0.23.1 release instead of fixes/0.23, or even better fixes/0.24?

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Beirdo:

you are nearly a year behind

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plut0:

Beirdo: whatever gentoo deemed as "stable"

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plut0:

Beirdo: looks like they have a 0.24 overlay i might checkout

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prologic:

whatever gentoo deemed "stable" ? hah!

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prologic:

you have the source – keep up :)

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Beirdo:

who cares what gentoo says?

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plut0:

its pretty common for distros to be 6 months – 2 years behind

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prologic:

indeed

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prologic:

yeah so ?

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Beirdo:

[25427]

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MythLogBot:

SVN 25427: (branch fixes/0.23) https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/67f26584

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prologic:

my point exactly, you're using a fairly complex source-based distro

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prologic:

update the ebould yourself

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plut0:

yeah

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plut0:

i'm working on it

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wagnerrp:

working on writing a new ebuild?

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plut0:

either that or checking out the new overlay

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prologic:

which reminds me

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prologic:

I need to update my own crux ports for mythtv

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prologic:

I doubt anyone uses that distro here :)

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wagnerrp:

just clone myth's packaging overlay

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wagnerrp:

add it to your make.conf

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wagnerrp:

and update

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plut0:

wagnerrp: yeah thats what i'm looking into now

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wagnerrp:

should you want to update to a point not listed in the ebuild, theres a friendly little utility to do so included

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wagnerrp:

generates a new ebuild for the hash of your choosing

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plut0:

got a link to the overlay?

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plut0:

prologic: no one uses gentoo for mythtv?

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wagnerrp:

https://github.com/MythTV/packaging

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prologic:

no I said I doubt anyone uses CRUX :)

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wagnerrp:

i have no idea what crux is

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plut0:

oh

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plut0:

wagnerrp: thank you

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wagnerrp:

bsd-style init scripts... ugh

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prologic:

wagnerrp, a fairly niche distro created by Per Liden – one of the originals (http://crux.nu/)

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prologic:

it's nice

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prologic:

don't knock it till you try it :) it's quite simple and easy to use ihmo

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wagnerrp:

IMHO, just because your init scripts are written in a simplistic language, doesnt mean theyre simple

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prologic:

I am pushing to change the default init system these days – hopefully one day soon

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wagnerrp:

i _use_ freebsd

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wagnerrp:

im typing on it right now

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wagnerrp:

and i _hate_ bourne-based init scripts

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prologic:

yeah

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Beirdo:

wah wah wah

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prologic:

I'm starting to see no point to shell-based init scripts

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Beirdo:

try upstart if you want something to hate

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prologic:

but I digress ;)

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wagnerrp:

its programming like its 1979

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prologic:

oh coudln't agree more

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prologic:

batch processing for linux

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prologic:

yuggh

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wagnerrp:

i know everyone complains about upstart, but ive never actually seen anything about it

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prologic:

you can see why I'm pshing for change :)

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wagnerrp:

so i cant comment

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Beirdo:

let me guess, you'd rather load up a huge interpreter like python just to do something that a shell script can do

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prologic:

I thinki everyone complains ing eneral about anything canonical builds

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prologic:

ihmo

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wagnerrp:

i dont see why we cant just write init 'scripts' in C/C++

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prologic:

Beirdo, errr

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prologic:

that statement is kinda flawed IHMO

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prologic:

loading up bash vs. loading up python isn't really that much of a difference performance wise

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prologic:

and we're not talking about performance here really

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Beirdo:

prologic: ummm, hardly, and most UNIX don't use bash, they use sh

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prologic:

true

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prologic:

Debian uses dash if I'm not mistaken

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prologic:

or it used to

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prologic:

an even smaller sh

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wagnerrp:

prologic: honestly, i cant consider python scripts as a viable init solution either

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prologic:

oh I can

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Beirdo:

no reason you can't write em in C, other than really increasing the maintenance of it all

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prologic:

but not python scripts

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prologic:

a python init system

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prologic:

don't think of them as "scripts" – batch jobs taht start, do something and end

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wagnerrp:

i cant consider a python init system as a viable solution either

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wagnerrp:

the whole point of using something like python over something like bourne is because you can do everything internally

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wagnerrp:

you dont have to spawn off helper programs to do everything for you

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Beirdo:

can you?

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Beirdo:

no calling out to the system at all?

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prologic:

well that's exactly right

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prologic:

but it's more than that

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wagnerrp:

but... if you do everything inside python, then you have everything locked into the GIL

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prologic:

you can do crazy things like do things asynchronously

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wagnerrp:

meaning everything is single threaded

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prologic:

and in parallel

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wagnerrp:

and you CANT do thing asynchronously or in parallel

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prologic:

ermm

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Beirdo:

you can do that in sh too.

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prologic:

tough crouwd :)

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prologic:

I disagree

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Beirdo:

witness upstart

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: sure, you can hit IOCTLs and such in python

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prologic:

I don't know why folks are so hung up about the GIL honestly

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Beirdo:

yeah, that is an advantage :)

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wagnerrp:

prologic: the problem with the GIL is it limits you to single threaded operation

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Beirdo:

nothing stopping someone from making /usr/bin/ioctl though :)

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wagnerrp:

you can spawn off threads, but only one can be doing anything at any given time

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Beirdo:

ah yes, the "global idiotic lock" :)

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wagnerrp:

the alternative is to shove stuff into compiled modules, which can voluntarily give up the GIL

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prologic:

well yes I realize that d'uh

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prologic:

but I've never found it to be a problem

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wagnerrp:

or spawn external processes to run things

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prologic:

ok, maybe because I never use threads :)

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Beirdo:

if you spawn external processes, you might as well use bash

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wagnerrp:

or bourne

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prologic:

and FYI there is a Linux distro that uses python as it's init

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Beirdo:

yup

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wagnerrp:

now i could see writing an init system in cython

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prologic:

now there's an idea :)

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wagnerrp:

python is the base language, but everything is statically typed, very fast, and not impeeded by the GIL

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prologic:

hah

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wagnerrp:

but youre still stuck with something that cannot be dynamically altered, and must be recompiled to 'fix'

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wagnerrp:

in which case why take the overhead of python at all

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wagnerrp:

and why not just write it in c++

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Beirdo:

because, quite simply, it's easier to do in sh

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plut0:

wagnerrp: you use gentoo?

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wagnerrp:

yes

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plut0:

wagnerrp: i followed those directions for the overlay but portage isn't recognizing the overlay at all

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wagnerrp:

you pulled it, and you added the Gentoo directory to the list of overlays in your /etc/make.conf?

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plut0:

PORTDIR_OVERLAY="/usr/local/portage/layman/mythtv/Gentoo"

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plut0:

directory structure looks good

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wagnerrp:

layman? what does this have anything to do with layman?

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plut0:

nothing i just put it there

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wagnerrp:

should be good

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wagnerrp:

only thing i can think of is that youre missing some dependency, so its falling back to an older version

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wagnerrp:

try forcing a specific version

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wagnerrp:

emerge -vp =mythtv-0.24_p20110524

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plut0:

hmm its marked stable amd64, shouldn't be an issue

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plut0:

its masked

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plut0:

package.mask

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plut0:

odd

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wagnerrp:

the 0.24 ebuilds should not be masked

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plut0:

yeah what gives?

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wagnerrp:

however something they depend on may be

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wagnerrp:

i mean im looking at them, and they are not masked

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plut0:

if a dep was masked it would list the dep as masked

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plut0:

oh, it IS masked in package.mask

[21:22:45]

plut0:

>=media-tv/mythtv-0.24_alpha1

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plut0:

looks like all myth packages are in fact

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plut0:

how did you get around this?

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plut0:

wagnerrp: what portage profiler are you using?

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wagnerrp:

amd64

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plut0:

default/linux/amd64/10.0 ?

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wagnerrp:

probably

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plut0:

eselect profile show

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plut0:

should list it

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wagnerrp:

seems im using... nothing, odd

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plut0:

really?

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wagnerrp:

in any case, ive always used the 0.25 builds, so ive always had to unmask it anyway

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plut0:

the make.profile is globally masking all ebuilds over 0.24

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plut0:

guess i will just unmask them all

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plut0:

now i need to add a bunch of ~amd64 packages

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plut0:

what do you guys think of mythnetvision?

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pladijs:

hi. is there an option in mythtv-setup to foce the backend to release the dvb device when not in use? I can not find it

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plut0:

wagnerrp: what is the experimental use flag for the myth builds?

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Beirdo:

I'm bored

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Beirdo:

I need some entertainment

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Beirdo:

wonder if the cinemas downtown are open.

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pladijs:

i find it rather annoying that the checking for idle status, and suspend is all run from within the backend. If i understand it correctly, there is no way to stop the backend during suspend, and in my case the backend is blocking a module which needs to be unloaded

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pladijs:

is there a way to do this externally with cron and mythshutdown? I mean including not suspending when a recording is due in X minutes?

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pladijs:

or even easier: is there a way i can call a command as the "shutdown command" in the backend, such that it will run independently and keep on running when killing the backend from where it was called?

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pladijs:

like an echo to cron maybe... sorry for the fuss... will do some more reading

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prologic:

According to the wiki page (http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Digital_Tuner_Cards) the Leaktek DTV-2000DS dual HD tuner card is supported ... Can anyone comment on their experience with this card ? — It's 1/2 the price of the Hauppauge HVR-2200 and quite tempting IHMO

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wagnerrp:

plut0: the 0.24 builds are 'amd64 i386 ~ppc', the 0.25 builds are '~amd64 ~i386 ~ppc'

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wagnerrp:

prologic: the leadtek card does not do analog

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wagnerrp:

if you need analog, get the hauppauge

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prologic:

I don't need analog

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prologic:

so that's cool if the DVB-T side works just fine

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wagnerrp:

then you can get by with cheaper cards that dont have hardware encoders

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prologic:

ahh

[22:45:05]

prologic:

hmm

[22:45:19]

prologic:

The HVR-2200 has hw encoders whereas the Leaktek doesn't right ?

[22:45:31]

prologic:

and what about the IR Receiver in the Leaktek ?

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wagnerrp:

dont know anything about IR on either of those

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prologic:

hmm

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prologic:

not looking good for the IR Receiver on that card

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prologic:

according to the most recent update on that wiki page

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prologic:

http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Leadtek_Win . . . trol_Support

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prologic:

Am I honestly better off with an RS232 IR Receiver with LIRC ?

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Beirdo:

mceusb

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Beirdo:

as you were told yesterday :)

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prologic:

yeah I don't like the mceusb though

[22:54:41]

prologic:

oh I've looked at a lot of options

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Beirdo:

you don't like the best supported method?

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prologic:

ideally I want something I can mould to the case though

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Beirdo:

OK, have fun

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prologic:

no no lol wait

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wagnerrp:

so take a pair of pliers, crack it open, and mount it internally

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prologic:

http://www.irblaster.info/index.html#RS232_IR

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prologic:

I found this ^^^

[22:55:21]

prologic:

specifically designed to work with lirc

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prologic:

wagnerrp, haha that's good idea

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Beirdo:

and most modern motherboards have no serial port

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prologic:

actually most do

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prologic:

sorry but I do disagree

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prologic:

serial ports are still very common

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prologic:

even if the board just has the header only

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wagnerrp:

prologic: no, most boards dont even have the headers these days

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prologic:

guess it depends on your definition of "most"

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prologic:

let's agree to disagree ? :)

[22:58:29]

prologic:

I happen to know many boards that still come with serial port headers

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wagnerrp:

more than 75% of modern intel and AMD boards have no headers

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wagnerrp:

there are several models that still do

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wagnerrp:

but unless you specifically look for it when you buy a board

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prologic:

if you're talking about desktop boards – sure

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wagnerrp:

chances are youre not going to get it

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wagnerrp:

well what other type of board would you be using for mythtv?

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prologic:

ok fine good point

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prologic:

but still :)

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Beirdo:

jeez, someone learned well from the Clinton school of language

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prologic:

the board I'm planning on using has an RS232 header on it

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prologic:

Beirdo, pardon ?

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wagnerrp:

i picked up a board a couple weeks ago with an RS232 header on it

[23:01:04]

prologic:

I only have one problem, where do I get one of these mceusbs ?

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Beirdo:

he was very good at attempting to redefine common words like "is" (or in your case "most")

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prologic:

our Jarcar (electronics store) used to have them, but doesn't look like it anymore

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Beirdo:

amazon?

[23:01:28]

Beirdo:

ebay?

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prologic:

ok I'm getting an RS232 IR Receiver from IR Blaster then

[23:02:18]

prologic:

I'm not wasting my time buying a 2nd hand one that isn't readily available :)

[23:02:43]

Beirdo:

have you even looked on ebay or amazon or anywhere?

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wagnerrp:

that reminds me, i need to fix my IR

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wagnerrp:

hasnt been working since my last update

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prologic:

Beirdo, to be honest I've planned to get all my parts from http://www.pccasegear.com/ – so no I haven't.

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prologic:

The only thing they don't seem to sell are IR Receivers – except the one that comes in the Silverstone ML02 case

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Beirdo:

this is a mess

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Beirdo:

#9427

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prologic:

?

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: do you know if mythtranscode is ever supposed to work on random files that aren't in the database?

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wagnerrp:

i believe it is

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Beirdo:

hmm

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wagnerrp:

if sphery gets his stuff in

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Beirdo:

OK, then we have an issue

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wagnerrp:

i have no problem with removing that capability

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wagnerrp:

and only allowing transcodes against a fileid, or jobid

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Beirdo:

as it stands right now, if programinfo is not found, it tries to copy a null ProgramInfo structure

[23:09:21]

Beirdo:

which of course... dies

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wagnerrp:

make it error out instead... :)

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prologic:

They sell this though: http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page . . . cts_id=17346

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Beirdo:

so I think for now, I'm just going ot change it so if it's not in the database, we ain't transcoding it

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wagnerrp:

mceusb unit --> http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page . . . cts_id=11589

[23:11:12]

wagnerrp:

awfully pricey

[23:11:20]

wagnerrp:

theyre like half that price on newegg or amazon

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prologic:

hmm

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prologic:

they also sell the Hauppauge MCE Remote

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prologic:

http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page . . . cts_id=11589

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prologic:

is that the same or similar to the MCE Remote I wonder

[23:12:29]

prologic:

oh you linked to the same thing

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prologic:

hah

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prologic:

thinking of dropping the overpriced Silverstone ML02 and going with the http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page . . . cts_id=15347 (Aywun MD-100)

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plut0:

wagnerrp: i was asking what the experimental use flag was for, not what 0.24 vs. 0.25 was

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wagnerrp:

oh, no clue

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wagnerrp:

must have been carried over from years past

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plut0:

hmmm frontend is using 100% cpu, with vdpau shouldn't it be like <5% ?

[23:23:28]

wagnerrp:

depends on the content, the video card, and what playback profile you are using

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plut0:

content is h.264, video card is nvidia 290

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plut0:

it has hardware decoding support for h.264

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plut0:

so why is it using so much cpu?

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wagnerrp:

and the playback profile?

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plut0:

where is that?

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wagnerrp:

well if you dont know, that would mean you havent configured it, and it wouldnt be using VDPAU for decoding

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wagnerrp:

although any machine with a GTX290 should have plenty of CPU for software decoding

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wagnerrp:

frontend settings, somewhere

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plut0:

oh you are probably right then

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wagnerrp:

dont remember where off hand

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plut0:

since this is a new video card

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wagnerrp:

what CPU?

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plut0:

athlon 64 x2 3800+

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plut0:

its older

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wagnerrp:

yeah, a 3800+ would certainly choke on 25mbps bluray content

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plut0:

why would it if the video card has hardware support for the source?

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wagnerrp:

anyway, choose the VDPAU High Quality profile

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plut0:

where is the profile set? i can't find it

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wagnerrp:

setup->video->playback (on 0.25)

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wagnerrp:

but that has been moved

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wagnerrp:

i dont remember where it is in 0.24

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plut0:

i found it

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wagnerrp:

its the third page in, where ever it is

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iamlindoro:

Utilities/Setup->Setup->TV Settings->Playback

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iamlindoro:

for .24

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** iamlindoro casually notes that the route in .25 is much more sensible **

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iamlindoro:

if I do say so myself

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plut0:

ok so tv playback cpu is much lower

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plut0:

and video playback is f'ed up now, why?

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plut0:

hard to describe it

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wagnerrp:

would need more information than "f'ed up"

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iamlindoro:

provide logs if you don't want guesses

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plut0:

video is hosed basically

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wagnerrp:

what exactly is it doing?

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prologic:

what tuner card is this btw ? (curious)

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plut0:

this isn't the tuner, its a video i have saved

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prologic:

oh ok

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plut0:

it was fine before i changed the playback profile

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plut0:

the video is blocky and turning random colors

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plut0:

looks horrible

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wagnerrp:

sounds like your content does not sit well with VDPAU

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iamlindoro:

encoded with too many reference frames

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plut0:

its a bluray source so 24fps

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wagnerrp:

which means its not Level 4.1 compliant

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iamlindoro:

bluray source != blu-ray complaint encode

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wagnerrp:

the bluray source should play just fine with VDPAU

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iamlindoro:

er compliant

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iamlindoro:

ie, just because it started as blu-ray doesn't mean it is now

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plut0:

yeah you're right this is encoded

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plut0:

the original source looks fine

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plut0:

and cpu is <15% which is good

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wagnerrp:

so stick with the original source straight off the disk

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plut0:

vdpau with the encoded version looks f'ed up, wonder why

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wagnerrp:

bad encoding options

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plut0:

i'll get back to that

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iamlindoro:

because you encoded with too many reference frames

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wagnerrp:

VDPAU is a hardware decoder

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plut0:

i didn't change the fps

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wagnerrp:

and as with all hardware decoders, they have a limited amount of memory and resources available

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iamlindoro:

fps has nothing to do with reference frames

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wagnerrp:

if you use too many reference frames, you fill the allocated memory

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wagnerrp:

and decoding fails

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wagnerrp:

if you encode to level 4.1 standards, you wont have this problem

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wagnerrp:

although there are still other settings beyond the level that you still have to worry about

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plut0:

i don't care if the encoded version meets 4.1 standards, i'm not trying to replicate bluray content, however the end result is h.264 which is what hardware decoding supports

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wagnerrp:

no

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iamlindoro:

incorrect, the hardware decoder supports H.264 withing a narrow set of parameters

[23:40:11]

wagnerrp:

the hardware decoding supports a limited subset of h264

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wagnerrp:

you need to comply with that subset

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wagnerrp:

which in this case, you havent

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plut0:

ok i'll get back to that one

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plut0:

how come i have no sound in certain videos under mythvideo?

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iamlindoro:

because you haven't configured audio properly, or have videos with unsupported audio encoding

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iamlindoro:

with a strong liklihood of the former

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plut0:

does that use asoundrc?

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wagnerrp:

not sure what audio codecs we dont support currently

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, not much

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wagnerrp:

more likely an issue with digital bitstreaming

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iamlindoro:

ie, configuration

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wagnerrp:

right

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plut0:

what am i missing?

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iamlindoro:

A proper configuration of audio in myth's settings

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iamlindoro:

ie, you've set some parameter incorrectly in myth's own settings

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iamlindoro:

but we'd be guessing to say what as a) we don't know what your audio configuration is, and b) the best diagnostic info you will provide is "f'ed up"

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plut0:

f'ed up was the video

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iamlindoro:

If you want real answers, provide real information. Logs, status of the myth audio settings, etc.

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iamlindoro:

Yes, and you're not doing much better of audio

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plut0:

i don't have audio in certain videos

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iamlindoro:

Which tells us nothing

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iamlindoro:

Your doctor doesn't diagnose you with that level of information, neither can we

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plut0:

where is the configuration?

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iamlindoro:

Have you made any attempt to find it? It's exactly where you would expect it to be

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iamlindoro:

Setup->Audio

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plut0:

is that for .25?

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iamlindoro:

yes

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plut0:

i'm on .24

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iamlindoro:

Utilities/Setup->Setup->General

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plut0:

ok

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plut0:

audio output alsa:default dolby digital and dts is checked

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iamlindoro:

Does your default audio device support passthrough of both those formats?

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plut0:

good question

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iamlindoro:

What manner of audio output are you using?

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iamlindoro:

meaning, what physical type of cable

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plut0:

coaxial digital

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iamlindoro:

And you have alsa's default device set as the digital output?

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plut0:

yes

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iamlindoro:

Then you'll need to experiment with those options until you find the ones that work for you

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iamlindoro:

It's entirely possible you'll need to explicitly put the digital output device rather than default, or that your amplifier doesn't fully support the codecs you have opted to pass through

[23:52:47]

iamlindoro:

good luck

[23:53:07]

plut0:

this is interesting

[23:53:15]

plut0:

i'm playing the video again

[23:53:28]

plut0:

it sounds like some speakers are working but the mains are not

[23:54:00]

plut0:

like its playing surrounds and center but not left/right main

[23:54:17]

plut0:

cause i can hear background sounds from the video and nothing else

[23:54:38]

plut0:

and btw it works fine from vlc/mplayer

[23:54:45]

plut0:

just not mythtv

[23:54:59]

iamlindoro:

Ergo it being a problem with your mythtv settings, as I've been saying

[23:55:05]

iamlindoro:

so start experimenting

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