Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Friday, May 27th, 2011, 00:02 UTC

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pyther:

Hello

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iamlindoro:

pyther, http://www.mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/ . . . /315337.html

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iamlindoro:

http://www.mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/ . . . /315477.html

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iamlindoro:

http://www.mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/ . . . /315576.html

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iamlindoro:

http://www.mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/ . . . /315598.html

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pyther:

I got a WinTV-PVR-150, but myth is detecting it when I go to add a new capture card

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iamlindoro:

http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/9595

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iamlindoro:

http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/9758

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iamlindoro:

http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/9789

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wagnerrp:

HAHAHA

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wagnerrp:

success!

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iamlindoro:

heh

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iamlindoro:

I knew you'd like that

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pyther:

Ok, so can someone summarize this for me? Do I need mythtv-fixes or mythtv dev?

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iamlindoro:

Neither

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iamlindoro:

it's not a myth problem

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iamlindoro:

it's a "you upgraded to a kernel/distro+kernel which myth doesn't support"

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iamlindoro:

or rather, which does not support myth

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pyther:

iamlindoro: then I should downgraded to a lts kernel?

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iamlindoro:

That said, we're the ones left holding the bag, so sometime in the near future we'll be adding a workaround for the incompatible kernel

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iamlindoro:

You would need to downgrade kernel, downgrade kernel headers, and recompile myth

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iamlindoro:

alternately, I believe sphery knows of an ubuntu ppa that has our workaround patch already applied, but I don't know where it would be located

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iamlindoro:

tgm4883 may also have that information

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iamlindoro:

We're still waiting for a confirmation from someone taht our workaround actually, erm, works

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pyther:

why would it need to be rebuilt (mythtv)? Wouldn't it had failed if it is built with newer headers?

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iamlindoro:

at which point it can be committed to fixes and the answer can become "update to latest fixes" instead of the whole rigmarole above

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iamlindoro:

no, because it doesn't fail

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iamlindoro:

it just sees that your kernel is missing the headers to support ivtv/v4l and dutifully disables it

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iamlindoro:

at compile time

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pyther:

ahh

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iamlindoro:

thus, you would need to first get the correct headers, and recompile

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pyther:

Can I possibly use the second patch on this ticket? http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/9789

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iamlindoro:

Yes, if you rebuild myth

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pyther:

sweet I will do that

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iamlindoro:

that is the patch that I understand is applied to a mythbuntu ppa somewhere

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iamlindoro:

But I can't tell you which or where

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iamlindoro:

whichever of sphery or tgm4883 see this first likely knows, however

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iamlindoro:

And that is the patch that we need confirmation works around the issue

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echosyp:

it works

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pyther:

iamlindoro: is it this patch https://launchpadlibrarian.net/67041805/mythtv-v4l2-fix.patch ?

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iamlindoro:

no

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echosyp:

pyther: http://www.ubuntuupdates.org/ppas/69

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echosyp:

thats the ppa i used, and that issue is gone, sorta

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iamlindoro:

That PPA has not been updates for four days

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echosyp:

it still has the ERROR COMPILE blah blah, in the audio setting in mythtv-setup, but the audio works anyway

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iamlindoro:

The patch is two days old

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pyther:

can someone just give me the link to the right patch?

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iamlindoro:

I can only include that it therefore does not contain the patch in question

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iamlindoro:

er can only conclude

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iamlindoro:

pyther, You linked the ticket, the patch is in the ticket.

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pyther:

ahh ok I thought you said that wasn't it, my bad

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iamlindoro:

The one at launchpadlibrarian is not it. The last patch on the ticket is,.

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pyther:

got it

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iamlindoro:

The Ubuntu PPA linked also does not appear to contain the relevant patch

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sphery:

pyther: tgm4883 was building 0.24-fixes with the 2nd patch from #9789 and was going to set up a PPA for it, but I don't have the address... May be something you can find with his nick (assuming he uses the same for the PPA name)?

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tgm4883:

sphery, I was having issues pushing it before. I'm currently pushing it right now, so we'll see if it continues to hang

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sphery:

ah, ok... thanks

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tgm4883:

sphery, i'm heading out for a bit. If all goes well we should see it here https://launchpad.net/~tgm4883/+archive/ppa

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tgm4883:

i'll be pushing it to the mythbuntu bug teams PPA later

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sphery:

cool, thanks

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sphery:

I just hope those I direct that way know how to tell when/if it's finished uploading

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tgm4883:

it will be the only 0.24 build in there

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tgm4883:

i'll be back in about 1.5 hours

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sphery:

sounds good--life comes first :)

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sphery:

enjoy

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wagnerrp:

sphery: you ever watch south park?

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sphery:

heh, no... I saw one episode with friends and decided I didn't need to see any more.

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sphery:

(was the episode where they were in hell)

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wagnerrp:

well about five years ago, they did an episode where they mocked scientology

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wagnerrp:

at the end, it got into a whole 'well you cant mock our religion, well sue you'

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sphery:

in the real world?

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wagnerrp:

no, end up the episode

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sphery:

ok

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wagnerrp:

*of

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wagnerrp:

anyway, i just realized

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wagnerrp:

the entire cast and crew of that episode were John Smith and Jane Smith

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sphery:

heh

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sphery:

too bad they didn't do that on tv.com/imdb

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larrikin:

so is this the channel where somebody can tell me what scientology is /really/ all about? I figured it was one big power-trip slash tax dodge ..

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wagnerrp:

larrikin: http://www.southparkstudios.com/full-episodes . . . n-the-closet

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larrikin:

I'd have to use a proxy ..

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wagnerrp:

or you could pay in about a quart million into the church

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larrikin:

well, that's an interesting option, but I do have one or two questions first..

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Beirdo:

ugh, blah :)

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Batshua:

Oh, hello, people!

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** Batshua finally actually LOOKED at IRC again. **

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Batshua:

Uh, wagnerrp was trying to help me earlier. My mythtranscode is giving me (exit status 136, job status was "Running")

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: thoughts on that?

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wagnerrp:

i cant think of how (pre mythsystem) mythtranscode could return a 136

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duron23:

justinh, hi mate

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duron23:

remember me ?

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wagnerrp:

no, because hes a brit

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duron23:

Still no luck with mythtv's live tv

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wagnerrp:

meaning its about 2:30 in the morning over there

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wagnerrp:

and hes asleet

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wagnerrp:

asleep

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duron23:

ooh

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duron23:

I am not able to play live tv, recordings work fine, I can even view recording while they are recorded

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duron23:

it just the "watch live tv" doesn't work

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duron23:

correction "watch tv" doesn't work

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wagnerrp:

tuning issues?

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wagnerrp:

perhaps are you using quick tune for live tv?

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duron23:

wht is quick tune ?

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wagnerrp:

an option in mythtv-setup

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wagnerrp:

are these live tv sessions occuring at the same time as a scheduled recording?

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duron23:

no

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wagnerrp:

what are you recording from?

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duron23:

analog pci tuner card

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wagnerrp:

specifically what tuner

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duron23:

saa7134

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wagnerrp:

the card, what is it called

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duron23:

pinnacle pci pro (analog)

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wagnerrp:

is it possible you simply cannot handle the simultaneous encoding and decoding load?

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wagnerrp:

what CPU?

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duron23:

Intel core2du dual core 2.9GHZ

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duron23:

and video card is Geforce 219

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wagnerrp:

210?

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duron23:

yep , sorry typo there

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duron23:

and system has 4GB of RAM

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duron23:

and yeterday justinh and rileyp noticed that while playing recordings there is "Video is 3.59687 frames ahead of audio doubling video frame interval to slow down. lol all sad even recordings"

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duron23:

when we run frontend with – v playback

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wagnerrp:

are you capturing audio through your sound card?

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duron23:

wht does that mean ?

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wagnerrp:

you have a cheapo framegrabber

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duron23:

you mean to say using external connector from tuner to sound card ?

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wagnerrp:

meaning youre capturing audio and video in raw format

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wagnerrp:

is the tuner or the sound card doing sound capture

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duron23:

wht is framegrabber ?

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wagnerrp:

a card that captures raw frames and copies them to a chunk of IO space

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wagnerrp:

mythtv subsequently has to pull those frames out of IO space, and encode in real time

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wagnerrp:

the cards were never designed for that method of operation

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duron23:

hmm, I think thats how my tuner works, as it does not have a hardware encoder

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wagnerrp:

they were designed for the playback application to simply copy those frames straight into the video output buffer

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duron23:

hmmm

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wagnerrp:

such as how tvtime operates

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duron23:

yeah tvtime works just fine

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duron23:

but one thing

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wagnerrp:

so back to the question, how are you capturing audio?

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duron23:

internal trough pci

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duron23:

*through*

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wagnerrp:

through the tuner itself

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duron23:

yeah

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duron23:

should

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duron23:

I be doing it through sound card ?

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wagnerrp:

what i was thinking was if you were capturing through your sound card

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wagnerrp:

perhaps your sound card wasnt intended for duplex operation

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wagnerrp:

and kept flipping between record and output

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wagnerrp:

so record worked, output worked

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duron23:

ooh

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wagnerrp:

but both at the same time failed

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pyther:

hmm I hope I didn't get a bad tv card from ebay

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pyther:

xawtv isn't tuning into anything

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wagnerrp:

what card?

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pyther:

wintv-pvr-150

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wagnerrp:

use v4lctl to tune the card

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wagnerrp:

and 'cat' the device node to a file

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wagnerrp:

if you get a valid mpeg2 file, youre fine

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duron23:

my sound card is internal audio device

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duron23:

realtek azalia audio chip (Realtek ALC887)

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: could be a bungled signal return

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Beirdo:

that would be a kill -9

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Beirdo:

9 + 128 = 136

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pyther:

wagnerrp: how can I tell if I have a valid mpeg?

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wagnerrp:

mplayer? mythavtest?

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pyther:

I get a lot of snow :(

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iamlindoro:

Beirdo, you sure about that math?

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Beirdo:

heh, no.

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Beirdo:

forgive me, it's been a long day without enough caffeine

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Beirdo:

kill -8?!

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Beirdo:

that's SIGFPE

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iamlindoro:

pyther, If you have snow, you have a valid mpeg, you just aren't tuned to a valid channel

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Beirdo:

I don't think I've seen that one on an x86/Linux system

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pyther:

iamlindoro: it isn't snow prese, let me take a screenshot

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Beirdo:

iamlindoro: thanks for pointing out my need for coffee

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Beirdo:

:)

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iamlindoro:

np ;)

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pyther:

iamlindoro: http://pyther.net/a/tvtunercrap.png

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iamlindoro:

That is still either tuned to an invalid channel, or with the wrong frequency table

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duron23:

wagnerrp, but onething if I schedule a recording and try to watch that same recording it works

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wagnerrp:

dont know what to tell you, other than dont watch live tv

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duron23:

lol

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duron23:

and one more thing, the watch tv works intermediately though

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duron23:

and one more strange thing

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Beirdo:

could that be a symptom of a bad start channel?

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duron23:

hmm, yeah could be

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: shouldnt mythtv still give you static on a bad analog channel?

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pyther:

iamlindoro: I used ivtv-tune -t us-cable -c 8

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duron23:

and one more strange thing is , if I use mythtv .24 live tv works fine

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duron23:

but tunning doesn't detect any channels

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duron23:

but in .23 tunning works but not live tv

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: you'd think so, but I dunno, I was just musing :)

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pyther:

iamlindoro: I get that same image without any cable plugged in :(

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duron23:

Beirdo, wagnerrp is there any way to reset frontend and backend both ?

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Beirdo:

ummm, just restart both processes

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pyther:

Hmm when I try to tune into a analog channel using myth, myth returns to the main menu

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pyther:

I can now cat /dev/video0 and play that I Got video

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: I just did a git gc on the buildbot's dir, maybe that will help it speed up a touch :)

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duron23:

pyther, me having the same issue

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pyther:

NVR(/dev/video0): Unknown video codec. Please go into the TV Settings, Recording Profiles and setup the four 'Software Encoders' profiles.

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pyther:

NVR(/dev/video0) Error: Unknown audio codec

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Beirdo:

pyther: what capture card?

[03:27:34]

pyther:

wintv-pvr-150

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Beirdo:

you have it setup as a V4L cared

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pyther:

yes

[03:27:58]

Beirdo:

it is not. It should be setup as an IVTV card

[03:28:34]

pyther:

ahh

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Beirdo:

go back into mythtv-setup and make sure you change that card to the correct type, then try again :)

[03:29:08]

** Batshua waves again **

[03:29:09]

Beirdo:

you'll have to restart the backend as well once you change it

[03:29:23]

Batshua:

Anyone know anything about mythtranscode error 136?

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duron23:

Beirdo, doesn't it auto restart itself ?

[03:29:56]

sphery:

pyther: did you get a mythtv from the ppa that has the new v4l1 patch?

[03:29:59]

Beirdo:

Batshua: please post logs to pastebin

[03:30:17]

Batshua:

So far the only thing I found in my log was (exit status 136, job status was "Running")

[03:30:18]

Beirdo:

sphery: it's using NVR, so he has it set wrong anyways :)

[03:30:23]

Batshua:

but I will double-check the backend logs again

[03:30:28]

pyther:

sphery: no I'm not using ubuntu, I compiled mythtv from myth-fixes with the patch in the bug report

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sphery:

Beirdo: but I think he's using NVR because he's using ubuntu with a broken patch that makes ivtv not available

[03:30:53]

sphery:

pyther: 2nd patch, right?

[03:31:08]

duron23:

does mythtv paa has v4l patch ?

[03:31:14]

Beirdo:

hmmm, could be, but in the end, the setup still needs to say IVTV :)

[03:31:22]

pyther:

sphery: yes

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sphery:

pyther: you want mythtv-0.24-fixes-V4L_support.patch

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sphery:

ok, just making sure

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Beirdo:

you're likely right on the cause

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duron23:

yeah, I want it

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sphery:

yeah, sounds like he has the right one, now

[03:31:49]

sphery:

duron23: you're on ubuntu 11.04?

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duron23:

no, but want to

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sphery:

better to wait until the patch is in 0.24-fixes, then :)

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duron23:

just because of that buz I downgraded to 10.10

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Batshua:

O.o;;;;

[03:32:23]

Beirdo:

Batshua: just an exit code out of any context is rather useless. You need to give us details and troubleshooting help...

[03:32:31]

Batshua:

My logs are being opened by VLC.

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Batshua:

What the heck?!

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Beirdo:

why did you tell it to?

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Batshua:

Beirdo: I will look, but I didnt' see any context excep tthe name of the show

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duron23:

just because of that bug I downgraded to 10.10

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Batshua:

Beirdo: I didn't! It shouldn't be doing that.

[03:33:21]

Beirdo:

Batshua: mythfrontend --version (paste)

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sphery:

duron23: if you want to test, you could upgrade and use https://launchpad.net/~tgm4883/+archive/ppa (assuming it uploaded correctly--it was in progress last I heard)

[03:34:01]

sphery:

we need to get reports from a few testers before we're going to put the patch in 0.24-fixes

[03:34:06]

pyther:

does mythfilldatabase add the inputs into to the database?

[03:34:21]

sphery:

pyther: no, you need to connect inputs manually

[03:34:36]

sphery:

pyther: also, if you have broken your input connections, I highly recommend Delete all capture cards

[03:34:39]

pyther:

ok so mythfilldatabase just gets the channels right?

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sphery:

if you don't do that, you can easily leave broken garbage in there

[03:34:59]

sphery:

delete all capture cards won't touch video sources/channels

[03:35:15]

sphery:

more details at http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034

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pyther:

sphery: readd them then?

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Batshua:

oh stang

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Batshua:

the pastebin is unhappy

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sphery:

mythfilldatabase generally just does listings (not channels)

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Batshua:

does it matter if I use another one?

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Batshua:

'cause it says it's under heavy load.

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duron23:

sphery, but that ppa seems to not support natty

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sphery:

though in some cases it can be used to grab channels (i.e. for analog capture with a good data source, like Schedules Direct, you'd use Fetch channels from listings source, which runs mythfilldatabase with special args to get channels)

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sphery:

pyther: see that post I linked for more info

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sphery:

duron23: maybe it's not uploaded, yeat

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sphery:

yet, even

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duron23:

ok

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duron23:

sphery, I am not able to watch tv

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sphery:

He as having problems getting the upload through, so it may have failed, again

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duron23:

but recordings work fine

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duron23:

and while playing back recordings I have these errors with -v playback : Video is 3.59687 frames ahead of audio doubling video frame interval to slow down.

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Batshua:

Beirdo: http://pastesite.com/plain/23844

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sphery:

duron23: that's generally caused by a broken Live TV recording profile (assuming analog capture, such as PVR-x50) or broken playback profile (such as one that's set to use XvMC)

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sphery:

duron23: make sure you set playback profile group to Slim (or one of the VDPAU ones, if you have a VDPAU card)

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duron23:

yeah, I have nvidia geforce 210

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sphery:

duron23: you can also have that no-Live-TV issue if the time on your frontend and backend don't agree--make sure you run ntp

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duron23:

both frontend and backend are running on same machine

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pyther:

sphery: for my cable (analog) connection, should I scan for channels, or should I fetch the channels from Schedules Direct?

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duron23:

pyther, I think scan channels

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sphery:

pyther: fetch channels... if it doesn't pull any in, then you need to run mfdb with different special args (let me know if it doesn't get them)

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duron23:

sphery, and xbmc does live tv, but playback is choppy

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sphery:

I'm very confused... Watching Capricorn One, and keep hearing video game sound effects in the background--but completely unrelated to the story.

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Beirdo:

Batshua: thanks. Makes it easier to determine what exact code you are running

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sphery:

first time was when a guy was in Flat Iron, AZ (a cowboy/western "ghost" town) and 2nd was in a back yard with 2 kids in the pool and 2 adults talking while one is potting flowers

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Batshua:

Beirdo: NP. I was just like "crap, the nopaste is down"

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

lots of choices out there

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pyther:

sphery: thanks for the help I got it working

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sphery:

cool, enjoy

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Beirdo:

Batshua: how are you using mythtranscode? What type of input/output? in a script or from the backend?

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duron23:

what does this mean "2011-05–27 09:21:46.184 NVP(0): 400 interlaced frames seen."

[03:52:34]

[R]:

Batshua: hey

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[R]:

duron23: it means it saw 400 interlaced frames

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duron23:

:) but what is interlaced farme ?

[03:53:20]

duron23:

is it bad or good ?

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[R]:

duron23: interlaced vs progressive... its not "bad" or "good"

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Batshua:

Beirdo: I invoke it from the frontend after I make the cutlist

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Batshua:

what do you mean i/o?

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Batshua:

Hey R-box!

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sphery:

duron23: interlaced is the way NTSC (and, therefore, PVR-x50) works

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Beirdo:

what format is the input video, what format is the output?

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sphery:

duron23: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interlaced_video

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Batshua:

Beirdo: better question. How do I determine the input?

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Batshua:

The output should be mpeg4?

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Batshua:

and the input ... should be mpeg2?

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wagnerrp:

sphery: any idea why i wouldnt be able to seek forward in the cutlist editor?

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Beirdo:

the input is determined by what your system captures

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wagnerrp:

im at frame 2, on a 30min recording

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wagnerrp:

i can seek right one keyframe

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wagnerrp:

and i can seek right 5 seconds or more

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wagnerrp:

but i cant seek a smaller amount than that

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Batshua:

Well, the input connection is called mpeg2ts

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Batshua:

so I assume mpeg2?

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Beirdo:

the output by what you've configured the output to be (been a long time for me) I think the default output is MPEG4

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Batshua:

the default output is rjsomethingorother

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Batshua:

but I switched it to mpeg4

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Beirdo:

K

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Batshua:

because the other one doesn't play nice at all

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wagnerrp:

crap

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Batshua:

wagnerrp: Crap

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Batshua:

Er ?

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wagnerrp:

seems if you switch to another virtual terminal with a VDPAU playback window open

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wagnerrp:

you get a fault and drop back out to the PBB

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Beirdo:

does transcode bugger up for every video, or just one in particular?

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sphery:

wagnerrp: generally that only happens after a catastrophic error during editing (i.e. when it tries to seek beyond the end of the recording)

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sphery:

that = unable to seek in small amounts

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sphery:

or only in one direction

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wagnerrp:

im on frame 2

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wagnerrp:

i can really only go one direction

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sphery:

yes, if you're on frame 2 and you had hit the nextcut key and the nextcut (end of recording) was listed in the DB as a frame way beyond the real end of the recording, the player gets all borked

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Beirdo:

heh

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wagnerrp:

i have no defined cuts

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sphery:

and it doesn't actually move, but it breaks seeking

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Beirdo:

I thought that got fixed?

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duron23:

sphery, tell me one thing

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sphery:

yes, nextcut with no defined cuts goes to the end of the recording

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wagnerrp:

in any case, i did not do that

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sphery:

but if that value is way beyond the end, the player gets borked

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wagnerrp:

i just cant seek a distance less than 5 seconds

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wagnerrp:

its like i have some dead space

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sphery:

exit and re-enter

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wagnerrp:

but it plays fine

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duron23:

sphery, how can I set the audio device for capture card using this notation hw:3,0

[04:02:28]

sphery:

or if it always happens, then I'd guess bad seektable

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sphery:

(if it always happens in that area)

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sphery:

i.e. the "dead space" would be an area with invalid/missing seek info

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duron23:

sphery, I want to bypass pulseaudio

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sphery:

duron23: is this ivtv capture?

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sphery:

if so, you don't set audio device for capture

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duron23:

no analog

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sphery:

frame grabber?

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wagnerrp:

sphery: actually, that would explain why the next keyframe is 2 seconds in

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sphery:

duron23: if so, you do set it, but I have no idea how to set it to use ALSA, because last time I've never used frame grabbers

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duron23:

yes its a frame grabber I guess

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sphery:

and when I did know a bit about analog, we didn't even support capture through alsa (only oss api)

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duron23:

you mean by /dev/mixer way ?

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sphery:

well, /dev/dsp, but yeah

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sphery:

http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/3405 is what added alsa support, so maybe that ticket (or some threads on list--search gossamer for 3405) will give some info

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duron23:

sphery, because I guess pluseaudio is adding some delay

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Batshua:

Beirdo: as far as I can tell, every video, but I'll try transcoding a bunch right now.

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Beirdo:

and do these recordings throw any errors in the frontend logs during normal playback?

[04:12:07]

Beirdo:

also, are you using the cutlist?

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duron23:

what are these errors : MythSocket(2257840:55): readStringList: Error, timed out after 7000 ms.

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duron23:

sphery, are those normal ?

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Batshua:

Beirdo: I am using a cutlist, there are no errors during ... oh wait, I haven't checked that, if they don't pop up on the screen

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Batshua:

so I should do that

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Batshua:

warning MVs not available

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Batshua:

ac-tex damaged at 6 21

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Beirdo:

OK, it *might* be possible that it's due to glitches in the captured files

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Beirdo:

not sure though

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Batshua:

Okay, one of them errored

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Batshua:

Which is the one that errored before

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Batshua:

One is transcoding now

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Batshua:

3 more in queue

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Batshua:

I tried different profiles to see if there's some kind of rule about what profile it is.

[04:42:36]

Batshua:

if it's glitched, I can delete and re-record, I guess.

[04:42:38]

Beirdo:

if a particular file always craps out, there may be nothing you can do about it

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Batshua:

I was just afraid it might be all the transcoding

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Batshua:

so I'm gonna wait and see if the rest go through

[04:43:13]

Beirdo:

there are some videos that do seem to break the decoding, and somehow moreso in transcoding than playback

[04:43:29]

Beirdo:

now, if it's every video, we have even more of an issue ;)

[04:43:37]

Batshua:

Yeah, a single video doesn't worry me

[04:43:50]

Batshua:

If it's all of them

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Batshua:

then I insist on further troubleshooting

[04:44:01]

Batshua:

because it means something is seriously borked

[04:44:14]

Batshua:

Also, I <3 mythweb so hard

[04:44:22]

Beirdo:

I know when I've hit issues like this, I tend to keep testing with the same video, which of course, could be chasing ghosts

[04:44:29]

Batshua:

It makes figuring out if it's broken or not super easy

[04:44:41]

Batshua:

It may be.

[04:44:44]

Batshua:

or it may not be.

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Batshua:

It depends on what the problem is.

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Beirdo:

yeah, if all the transcodes are borked, we'll have to dig deeper

[04:45:13]

Batshua:

Oh, there was one other thing

[04:45:15]

Batshua:

which is minor

[04:45:20]

Batshua:

it's supposed to notify on commercial break

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Batshua:

and it's not doing that.

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Batshua:

since I manually cut anyway, I figured no big deal, but I do miss it.

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Beirdo:

notify?

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Beirdo:

that one's outta my realm :)

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Batshua:

Yeah "notify on commercial break" rather than skip or don't skip

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Batshua:

but hey, progress. it look slike this one is 75%

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Batshua:

OKAY!

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Batshua:

1 successfully transcoded!

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Batshua:

awesome.

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duron23:

sphery, yeh ,eruka

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duron23:

sphery, hey eruka

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duron23:

I remove pulse audio from my system totally

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duron23:

and my live tv is smooth in xbmc

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sphery:

nice... glad you got it working

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duron23:

but the old recording play same way

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duron23:

in xbmc

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duron23:

that make me conclude the pulseaudio was corrupting the recording of mythtv

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sphery:

yeah, sounds like it

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Batshua:

I actually *needed* pulseaudio.

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Batshua:

removing it broke alsa

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Batshua:

oddly enough. and no, I have no idea why or how.

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Batshua:

I ended up reinstalling everything and now it works.

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duron23:

maybe adding some delay which was causing xbmc go mad trying to keap av synced

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Batshua:

I do not ask questions of the Computer God.

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Batshua:

I just respect him.

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[R]:

Batshua: because you remove dthe wrong part of it

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duron23:

sphery, mate I was behind this for about 5 day now

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Batshua:

[R]: Eh?!

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[R]:

if you remove the right thing, it works fine

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Batshua:

[R] : LIES

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Batshua:

Damned lies!

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Batshua:

Statistics!

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[R]:

lol

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[R]:

i've done it before, a few years ago

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[R]:

now i just use somethign that doenst instlal pulse to begin with

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Batshua:

I believe you. But maybe this particular OS or version of myth or something just doesn't want to.

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wagnerrp:

Batshua: its not possible for the removal of pulseaudio to break alsa

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[R]:

theres that too

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Batshua:

wagnerrp: Not rationally, no.

[05:14:26]

Batshua:

But I removed it, and I had no audio in myth.

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[R]:

well, if removing pulse happend to remove the alsa libs

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wagnerrp:

thats like saying removal of a window manager broke X

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Batshua:

My computer is clearly hexed.

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[R]:

i suppose

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Batshua:

The audio worked fine everywehre else.

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[R]:

then myth just wasn't set up properly

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wagnerrp:

because all sorts of stuff was needlessly compiled to only use pulseaudio

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[R]:

only use pulse? who does that!?

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wagnerrp:

so when you remove pulse, they no longer have the ability to fall back to alsa

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: looks like my buildslave just needed a good git gc

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Batshua:

Dumb question

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Batshua:

sometimes I find that a 'recording cannot be found'

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Batshua:

Since I'm recording through FW, should I just assume that my FW borked?

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Batshua:

'cause I don't get encoding errors

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tgm4883:

sphery, ok, so the builds are currently building here https://launchpad.net/~mythbuntu-bugs/+archive/test4/+packages

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tgm4883:

I would expect them to be done in about 20 minutes

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tgm4883:

point people there to test the V4L2 patch for 0.24

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justinh:

Batshua: firewire is apparently notorious for its unreliability

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justinh:

not the protocol/interface itself – it's likely more the implementation of it on cable boxes

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justinh:

just think, of all a cable box's functionality, would the firewire port come high in the list of testing priorities? I somehow doubt it

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Batshua:

justinh: so it's probably just the fw going down.

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Batshua:

I can live with that.

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Batshua:

I record like 8 hours a day

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Batshua:

so to lose a few shows to delete-and-rerecord is no biggie

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justinh:

what are you getting over firewire that you couldn't get over the air, anyway?

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Shadow__X:

Batshua: i am part of the small group that uses firewire and honestly when i can i will move towards something more reliable. It works fine, but there are times for example reboots that i have to remember to reprime the connection, but for some people they need to constantly reprime the connection

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Shadow__X:

justinh: in my area i get a plethera more over firewire than i do over qam

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Batshua:

justinh: I am not setup for OTA.

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Batshua:

er, set up

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justinh:

from what I've read here I';d be surprised you get anything you actually pay for. the cable companies have mostly put the kybosh on that

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Shadow__X:

honestly for the most part the only things i dont get are premiums

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Shadow__X:

and some of the movie channels or more specifically some movies on the movie channels

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justinh:

heh movie channels. I remember having those. hundreds of films you've never heard of, every week

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Shadow__X:

yup and thats why i do not care much for them

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Shadow__X:

once people start using the homerun prime on mythtv and are able to get about the same channels as firewire i will get one of those and an hdpvr

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justinh:

I thnk they day I need an HDPVR is the day I give up on TV

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Shadow__X:

copy freely that is

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justinh:

cable company here doesn't have more than 2 linear HD channels AFAIK

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justinh:

and hell has to freeze over before I think about getting Sky

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Shadow__X:

i have a lot more than 2 hd channels

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Shadow__X:

but it all depends on if they are worth it to you

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justinh:

and as ever, there's little enough narrative I'm interested in on SDTV.. so...

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justinh:

til it's all HD, I see no point

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justinh:

<< old fart ;-)

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: you up?

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Beirdo:

looks like the trac integration missed my cherry-picks onto 0.24-fixes

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Gumby:

is there a wiki article somewhere that says what the letters mean when tuning a channel using a DVB card. ie: TLMSC

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justinh:

if not, there should be

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justinh:

L means 'lock'

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justinh:

which means a full lock on a transponder/multiplex frequency has been gained

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Gumby:

I think C has something to do with being decrypted or not

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justinh:

might be easier to look in the code

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Gumby:

S, I am not entirely sure. I thought it meant signal, but I have gotten an uppercase C (decrypted) without getting an S so perhaps that isnt the case

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Gumby:

at one point I found something on it, but I cant seem to now

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justinh:

I'd love to see the back of that kind of status indicator

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justinh:

presumably, if they're not all capitals, you're having problems

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Gumby:

yeah

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justinh:

so FWIW just ignore what the letters mean, look in the backend log & try that way :)

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Gumby:

hehe

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Gumby:

I'm not having any issues, but I figured it'd be good to know what they mean :)

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Gumby:

thanks for the thoughts

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Shadow__X:

i get LAM and LAMGV here

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justinh:

I suspect that in the drive towards user-friendliness they'll be changing

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Shadow__X:

for clear locks

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Shadow__X:

i think i get a lowercase d at the end if its encrypted iirc

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justinh:

sigDesc = sigDesc + QString(" | (%1%2%3%4%5%6%7%8%9) %10") .arg(tuneCode).arg(slock).arg(pat).arg(pmt).arg(mgt).arg(vct) .arg(nit).arg(sdt).arg(crypt).arg(sigMsg);

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justinh:

oh wait that's not it

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justinh:

it's in void TV::UpdateOSDSignal(const PlayerContext *ctx, const QStringList &strlist) anyway

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justinh:

aha! http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-23.html#ss23.22

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justinh:

(C) (c) is for encryption

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justinh:

T probably just means 'tuned'

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duron23:

rileyp, hey

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duron23:

rileyp, how are you ?

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Shadow__X:

anyone use these type of things for computers http://www.amazon.com/Seville-Classics-SHE143 . . . 6&sr=8-1 ?

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duron23:

rileyp, I can watch live tv now

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duron23:

rileyp, I just had to wipe out pulse audio from my system lol

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Shadow__X:

I was thinking i could set one of those up with my mythtv server and a spare to test the plugin i have been meaning to work on

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duron23:

justinh, I fixed my live tv playback issue by removing pluseaudio

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Beirdo:

so try it

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duron23:

ok if I use try all in frequency table, is there a chance of me getting same channels twice or trice ?

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justinh:

duron23: I fixed any kind of possible audio problems I might have in future – by removing pulseaudio

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justinh:

I will PAY MONEY to see pulseaudio development stopped

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duron23:

justinh, :)

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duron23:

yeah, even I am not happy with pulseaudio

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duron23:

it just add to the already crowded sound architecture in linux

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duron23:

*adds*

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duron23:

wht does this "try all" option do in frequency table, while scanning ?

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duron23:

and I am from india, so I don't know whicc frequency table to choose

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duron23:

*which*

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justinh:

hmm. every day this manager does something to make me hate him even more. this time, after doing the camera sensor comparison I was asked to do and documenting it on our wiki he says the images are so small as to be completely useless. They're in a table, as with other tests on the same wiki, and the images therein link to the full size version, as with the pages I took my lead from.

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justinh:

oh, he's just been by my desk to apologise about the email. he tried viewing the page in a different browser & all was well. dickhead

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duron23:

:)

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justinh:

shoot first, apologise later. Way to be a good manager, dude

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justinh:

hahahha people who believe theonion.com articles http://literallyunbelievable.tumblr.com

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Kelerion:

hola! buenos días

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rileyp:

hi

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rileyp:

do you feel welcome now?

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Batshua:

dump question

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Batshua:

er, dumb question

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Batshua:

by someone too tired to type properly

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Batshua:

>.<

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Batshua:

What's the watch list for?

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Batshua:

because it kinda look slike it should be for shows I haven't seen yet?

[10:44:42]

Batshua:

but some of the shows on there are shows I have already watched

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justinh:

they're shows not marked as watched, listed in order of when they'll be expired, IIRC

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Batshua:

Ah. So for some reason something didnt' get marked as watched.

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Batshua:

maybe I exited prematurely. sometimes I do that when I'm done with the cutlist.

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justinh:

snigger. exited prematurely

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Batshua:

Trufax.

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** Batshua is still psychologically in middle school **

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Batshua:

oh, and I can MARK them as watched.

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Batshua:

dur, useful feature.

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Batshua:

Awesome. So ... she can record all night long. And tomorrow, I can see what's unwatched!

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** Batshua collapses towards sleep **

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Batshua:

I repose, my computer does not.

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Shiggs|MB:

anyone here lucky enough to have an HDHR Prime test unit to play with with MythTV?

[10:58:29]

Shiggs|MB:

I want an HDHR Prime and if it's not going to let me watch certain channels on my cable provider I want to know >_>

[10:59:38]

Shiggs|MB:

hi all btw :)

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justinh:

YMMV, as always. what you get will completely depend on what the cable company marks as suitable

[11:00:01]

justinh:

you may get everything you pay for, you may get nothing

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Shiggs|MB:

justinh: yeah apparently RCN flags content as 0x01 or Copy No More... >_>

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justinh:

what you're likely to get is something inbetween..

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Shiggs|MB:

so, some stations work as if copy-freely, and some not at all?

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justinh:

so as you know the HDHR will only get you what they mark 'copy freely'

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Shiggs|MB:

yeah

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justinh:

so if they mark nothing 'copy freely' you will get nothing

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justinh:

nada. not a bean

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Shiggs|MB:

:|

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Shiggs|MB:

as I said I figured out that they're marking stuff as 0x01 (Copy No More)

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Shiggs|MB:

aka Copy Once apparently

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Shiggs|MB:

http://thelinuxlink.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=4656 <==

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justinh:

pretty sure I remember what the HDHR prime will work with as being copy freely only. I could be wrong though

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Shiggs|MB:

meaning it'll load all stations no matter what the encryption is?

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justinh:

no

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justinh:

meaning that if they aren't flagged copy freely, you won't get em

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Shiggs|MB:

I'm tempted to look into getting interent from RCN, and TV from Comcast since their stations are all copy-freely

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justinh:

if I have that wrong & the HDHR prime will work with more, then you'll get more

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Shiggs|MB:

well I pre-ordered a Prime, so we shall soon see

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Shiggs|MB:

come late July

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justinh:

"HDHomeRun PRIME supports streaming access-controlled copy-freely channels to other DVR applications including MythTV."

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justinh:

so if it's not flagged as 'copy freely', you're stuck

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Shiggs|MB:

certain stations you mean

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Shiggs|MB:

I'm betting premium stations like HBO/Cinemax etc are gonna be the ones giving me the most trouble...

[11:05:04]

justinh:

no, I mean *anything* not flagged as 'copy freely' won't be usable

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Shiggs|MB:

>_>

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Shiggs|MB:

even normal stations like Comedy Central and TBS etc?

[11:05:33]

Shiggs|MB:

anything available on Basic Cable?

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justinh:

which part of this is hard to understand?

[11:05:42]

Shiggs|MB:

I'm new to this cable card stuff

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justinh:

if they are not marked copy freely then they WILL NOT WORK

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Shiggs|MB:

ok ok ok >_>

[11:06:01]

justinh:

>_> yourself. sheesh

[11:06:12]

Shiggs|MB:

calm down. <_<

[11:07:09]

justinh:

so if your suspicion about your cable company not marking anything as copy freely is correct and you don't change to a different company, your only option to get channels you're paying for is to use the cableco's DTA & something like a Hauppauge HD-PVR

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Shiggs|MB:

bleh heh

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Shiggs|MB:

no thanks

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Shiggs|MB:

wait, DTA?

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justinh:

I feel sorry for you guys, cos even when you get what you pay for marked as copy freely & working there's no guarantee it'll stay that way

[11:08:03]

justinh:

DTA/ Set top box

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Shiggs|MB:

ahhh

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Shiggs|MB:

you're in the UK I take it? VirginMedia.com?

[11:08:22]

justinh:

you know, the box you rent from the cable company :-)

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justinh:

yeah

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Shiggs|MB:

yeah that thing... I'd save $8 a month

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justinh:

we can't even *get* TV over cable without their box

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Shiggs|MB:

that sucks >_>

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justinh:

nah not really

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justinh:

there'

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justinh:

there isn't any TV worth paying for IMHO :-)

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Shiggs|MB:

haha

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Shiggs|MB:

ok

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justinh:

if you don't 'do' sports, stupid straight-to-video movie channels, or ancient UK TV re-runs... erm...

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Shiggs|MB:

heh

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justinh:

there's basically only mythbusters & some other US imports

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justinh:

no way I'm paying £30 a month for those

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Shiggs|MB:

I mainly want a network-shared TV tuner because my parents watch stuff, and they don't want to struggle reading the OSD on our ancient SDTV from like 10 ft away on one of our easychairs or the couch.. >_>

[11:11:33]

Shiggs|MB:

they could use their laptops, that're right in front of them... and I like MythTV's guide UI.. it makes life easier when you need to watchign something on TV

[11:11:49]

justinh:

you could always use er... a non-linux media centre app :P

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Shiggs|MB:

hell no :P

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Shiggs|MB:

I hate WMC

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justinh:

one which umm... 'respects' the copy protection flags

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Shiggs|MB:

I have an HDHR3 (the currently hi end one) and it works great for non encrypted stuff, but I want to be able to watch stuff other than that

[11:13:13]

justinh:

I probably wouldn't mind paying for TV channels if they didn't carry any advertising other than promoting their own shows

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Shiggs|MB:

Adverts as you brits call em lol

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justinh:

don't get me started on funny American words ;-)

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Shiggs|MB:

:P

[11:14:28]

Shiggs|MB:

anywho, there's an advert playing in my mind that's selling me the idea of going to bed. :P

[11:14:30]

Shiggs|MB:

take care

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justinh:

panties. bejesus. what's wrong with saying *knickers* ? :P

[11:14:39]

Shiggs|MB:

hahah

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Shiggs|MB:

or japanese: Pantsu

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Shiggs|MB:

lol

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Shiggs|MB:

ok srsly, take care. heh :)

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justinh:

same to you

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justinh:

good luck switching cable companies ;-)

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duron23:

rileyp, hi there

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duron23:

rileyp, justinh are you guys mythtv developers ?

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wagnerrp:

no, sort of

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duron23:

ooh, ok

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wagnerrp:

justinh was a theme developer, i dont know if he ever did any code work, but that was old stuff < 0.22

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duron23:

hmm interesting

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duron23:

which is faster mpeg4 or mpeg2 ?

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duron23:

in means of decoding and encoding

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wagnerrp:

mpeg2

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duron23:

ok, is it vdpau friendly ?

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wagnerrp:

yes

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duron23:

cool, so if I select MJPEG in live tv profiles, it will be mpeg2 right

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wagnerrp:

eh?

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duron23:

sorry RTJpeg I mean

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duron23:

in recording profiles

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wagnerrp:

why would you think RTPEG == MPEG2?

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wagnerrp:

RTJPEG

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duron23:

I don't know, that's why I asked

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duron23:

so which one is faster RTJPEG or mpeg4 ?

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wagnerrp:

RTJPEG is just what it sounds like, a series of completely independent JPEG images

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duron23:

ok

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wagnerrp:

unlike MPEG2 or MPEG4, there is no temporal aspect

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wagnerrp:

so it is much faster, at the expense of compression

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duron23:

hmm

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duron23:

wagnerrp, thanks for the info

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wagnerrp:

in practice, its moot as you really shouldnt be using framegrabbers

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duron23:

I know, but at my place these are the only cards available

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duron23:

initially I searched for mpeg4 cards, when I confirmed that they are not available I went with this one

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duron23:

:(

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justinh:

hahaha I got an email via the comments section of the site I run about an offer from a SEO company. DIE. IN. A. FIRE. Charlatan

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justinh:

what I understand about SEO... get a site, flood it with keywords, then put up a barrage of other sites which link to it, and so on

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justinh:

wth is a 'white hat SEO' company anyway?

[12:27:19]

justinh:

bellagarza0444@gmail.com – time for you to be added to the bin, fella

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justinh:

hmm. maybe it's time to add CAPTCHA

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Kelerion:

back...erm... Justin? did I just read you recommend 1) a non linux solution.. and 2) nevermind... a not linux solution?

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Kelerion:

yer off my cristmas card list now.

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justinh:

Kelerion: depends how bad you want yer content innit

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justinh:

heh. I put a captcha on the contact form & now I've had 2 emails saying they couldn't understand it. one spam contact email vs 2 clueless people... I'll remove the captcha for now.

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justinh:

maybe I could edit the contact plugin to automagically baulk at certain words

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wagnerrp:

Shiggs|MB: still around?

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NickHu:

Hey all

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NickHu:

Just got myself a Hauppauge WinTV NOVA S Plus :D

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wagnerrp:

devinheitmueller: do you remember that HDPVR-1250 issue months back?

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devinheitmueller:

wagnerrp: which issue?

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devinheitmueller:

wagnerrp: analog or digital?

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wagnerrp:

that blend of the HVR-1250 being misread by lspci/lshw

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devinheitmueller:

Oh, yeah.

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devinheitmueller:

The lspci database was wrong.

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devinheitmueller:

Pardon, the lsusb database.

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wagnerrp:

would that have been a new device ID that may not have been recognized by older versions of the -1250 drivers?

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wagnerrp:

lspci (its a pcie card)

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wagnerrp:

found some user running ubuntu 10.04 who cannot get the card recognized

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devinheitmueller:

Ok, so you're talking about the HVR-1250 being mislabeled as HDPVR-1250.

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wagnerrp:

wondering if they simply have too old of drivers for that specific blend of the card

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devinheitmueller:

He may very well have an HVR-1255, which is not supported (there is a new tree which has it, but it's not upstream)

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wagnerrp:

any way to check?

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devinheitmueller:

Get the real PCI ID.

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devinheitmueller:

If you have that, I can take a quick look at the driver code and confirm whether it's supported.

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devinheitmueller:

I mean of the PCI id of the user's device – not the PCI ID in general for the 1250 – I obviously already know that. ;-)_

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devinheitmueller:

:-)

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wagnerrp:

will do

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wagnerrp:

he posted the 'lshw' output a while back

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wagnerrp:

but sadly, that did not include those ids

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devinheitmueller:

annoying.

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wagnerrp:

got a filename i could read through when he responds, so i dont have to pester you for it?

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devinheitmueller:

I do dislike how lscpi/lspci don't include the device numbers unless you do "-n" Would have been nice if the mode that wasn't "-n" showed both the pretty name as well as the underlying numbers it was determined from.

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devinheitmueller:

v4l/cx23885-cards.c

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wagnerrp:

ok, thanks

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devinheitmueller:

if you're not using media_build it will be linux/drivers/media/v4l/cx23885/cx23885-cards.c

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wagnerrp:

so 2251 and 2259 would be the new ones im looking for...

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wagnerrp:

if he had just used lspci rather than lshw, i would have that number

[16:23:17]

wagnerrp:

crap

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wagnerrp:

you guys have to go in and individually poke different registers on each different incarnation of a board to make it work

[16:24:05]

** wagnerrp is glad hes not a driver developer **

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devinheitmueller:

depends on what changed.

[16:24:33]

devinheitmueller:

In some cases the product keeps the same marketing name, but entire chipsets are changed.

[16:24:56]

devinheitmueller:

You may also want to look at the cx23885-cards.c in this tree, which has some new boards that aren't upstream yet. http://kernellabs.com/hg/~stoth/cx23885-mpx/

[16:24:59]

wagnerrp:

im just looking at these giant case statements

[16:25:25]

devinheitmueller:

Yeah, it's a PITA.

[16:26:06]

NickHu:

Erm, when I'm doing scan for channels I'm getting a lot of WARNING: >>> tuning failed!!!

[16:26:10]

NickHu:

That's normal right?

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devinheitmueller:

NickHu: Yes.

[16:26:47]

devinheitmueller:

It just means a channel lock could not be achieved on the target frequency. This is normal, since in real life every possible frequency will not have something being broadcasted on it.

[16:27:12]

NickHu:

I am doing this right though, making a channel.conf with scan, and then just setting up myth following the arch guide?

[16:27:24]

wagnerrp:

devinheitmueller: nah, just lists the same two device ids

[16:27:33]

devinheitmueller:

ok

[16:27:48]

devinheitmueller:

He might have a 1255 though, even though he thinks he has a 1250.

[16:28:00]

NickHu:

Also, what satellites reach the UK?

[16:30:01]

iamlindoro:

NickHu: No, whomever suggests that you create a channels.conf is incorrect. You should be using Myth's internal scanner, especially if you hope to get guide data

[16:30:05]

wagnerrp:

NickHu: i would check lyngsat

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iamlindoro:

Regarding what satellites to point it, you can find that on lyngsat.com

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NickHu:

Is the TV format here PAL or PAL-60?

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iamlindoro:

PAL

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NickHu:

Okay, so using Myth's inbuilt scanner

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NickHu:

I leave the Frequency blank?

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NickHu:

I get Error parsing parameters

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NickHu:

But is it actually scanning?

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iamlindoro:

Unlikely, since it sounds like you're not planning on passing it parameters

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NickHu:

I have to manually specify the frequency for each channel then..? That sounds incredibly tedious -.-

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iamlindoro:

You need to get the transponder data for what you're trying to scan, and perform a full, tuned scan

[16:36:38]

iamlindoro:

It sounds like you need to do a bit of basic learning about how DVB works. No, you don't need to manually specify each channel

[16:36:58]

iamlindoro:

you specify *one* transponder's parameter's in a full tuned scan, and myth will connect the rest of the dots

[16:37:11]

NickHu:

By transponder data, I guess you mean what satellite I want right?

[16:37:35]

NickHu:

http://paste.xinu.at/Dky/

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NickHu:

What do I do from there?

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iamlindoro:

If you are using DVB-S, you would need to construct your Diseqc graph first, so that myth knows that LNBs are at what addresses, where you have satellite switches, etc.

[16:37:49]

iamlindoro:

Then you need to connect a video source to each LNB

[16:38:03]

NickHu:

What's a LNB?

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wagnerrp:

devinheitmueller: seems whatever kernel comes with 10.10 picked up support for it

[16:39:01]

devinheitmueller:

It's possible that it got submitted upstream at some point, and I was mistaken.

[16:39:06]

devinheitmueller:

I didn't think so though.

[16:39:27]

NickHu:

DiSEqC graph....

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iamlindoro:

NickHu: If you don't know what an LNB is, it's probably best if you took a few big steps back and learned some DVB-S basics

[16:40:07]

iamlindoro:

Diseqc is the protocol used to communicate with switches, LNBs, and rotors in a DVB-S setup

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NickHu:

Oh I see now

[16:40:29]

iamlindoro:

LNB is a Low Noise Blocker, and its the chunky bit at the end of the satellite arm that basically receives the data from the satellite

[16:40:39]

iamlindoro:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/DVB-S

[16:40:42]

iamlindoro:

You should read that very carefully

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NickHu:

So basically myth doesn't know the ports on my card

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iamlindoro:

It's not a matter of the ports on your card

[16:41:01]

iamlindoro:

your card has one usable input

[16:41:16]

iamlindoro:

it's the switches, LNBs, etc. further down the line that it needs to be told about

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NickHu:

How can I generate a DiSEqC graph?

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iamlindoro:

You don't generate one. You write one. Please read the above article

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iamlindoro:

carefully

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NickHu:

Okay, so there's a LNB directly at the back of the card

[16:43:26]

NickHu:

I assume that means I don't need Switch and Rotor

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iamlindoro:

Doubtful

[16:43:36]

iamlindoro:

The LNB is affixed to your dish

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NickHu:

Gahh

[16:43:58]

NickHu:

I meant, it goes from the satellite straight to the card

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iamlindoro:

The page linked above tells you exactly what to do in that scenario

[16:45:33]

NickHu:

It doesn't tell me wheter I have a switch or rotor

[16:45:36]

NickHu:

I'd assume I don't

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iamlindoro:

Yes, that is *your* responsibility to know-- but if your card runs directly to the dish then you most likely do not

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iamlindoro:

You also need to know exactly what satellite you are pointed at, in order to look up the parameters at lyngsat

[16:48:08]

iamlindoro:

Otherwise you'll be flying completely blind and your chances of success are exceedingly low

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NickHu:

I can use the Universal (Europe) LNB Preset right?

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iamlindoro:

Do you have a Universal LNB on your dish?

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NickHu:

Most likely, the freesat guys installed it

[16:53:30]

iamlindoro:

I can't give you a good answer, as you're really the one who needs to be providing this information

[16:53:48]

tyreza:

hello

[16:53:52]

iamlindoro:

The best answer I can give you when you don't know what you're pointed at/what your equipment is is "maybe"

[16:53:53]

tyreza:

well

[16:54:37]

NickHu:

iamlindoro: Pointed at Astra2D

[16:54:55]

tyreza:

if i buy an usb tv tuner, can i connect satelite cable to receive all channel ?

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NickHu:

Is SID the Frequency part?

[16:57:52]

NickHu:

Or is it VPID?

[16:59:00]

NickHu:

Nevermind, I can't read

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NickHu:

Can I just specify a frequency range? i-i or do I really have to do it somewhat manually

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iamlindoro:

You don't *want* to specify a range

[16:59:42]

iamlindoro:

you want to specify the attributes of ONE transponder

[17:00:00]

iamlindoro:

myth takes it from there and if the broadcaster has correctly configured their satellite, it will discover all available services

[17:00:15]

** iamlindoro gives up trying to get people to learn basics before building battleships **

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NickHu:

Ah, transponder = satellite?

[17:00:22]

iamlindoro:

NO

[17:00:36]

tyreza:

hello

[17:00:47]

tyreza:

anyone understand what i mean?

[17:01:19]

wagnerrp:

tyreza: if you buy a DVB-S USB tuner, yes

[17:01:29]

iamlindoro:

And only if all your channels are unencrypted

[17:01:29]

wagnerrp:

well actually

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wagnerrp:

'satellite cable'... not sure what youre referring to there

[17:01:50]

wagnerrp:

conflicting terms

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NickHu:

Transponder = Freesat?

[17:02:22]

tyreza:

i simple want to connect my cable probider

[17:02:35]

NickHu:

Oh

[17:02:38]

NickHu:

My dish

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tyreza:

to tv diner

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wagnerrp:

tyreza: you said satellite

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NickHu:

So, do I use a Full Scan (Tunred)?

[17:03:06]

tyreza:

my provider using satelite

[17:03:06]

NickHu:

Tuned*

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wagnerrp:

NickHu: a transponder is a single frequency broadcast by a single satellite

[17:03:15]

wagnerrp:

but you said cable

[17:03:17]

NickHu:

Ahh, so I am doing it right then

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tyreza:

i m confused

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tyreza:

get me off

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wagnerrp:

we all are

[17:03:49]

NickHu:

http://www.lyngsat.com/astra2d.html – Put freq into frequency * 1000 set symbol rate to 22xxxxxx right?

[17:04:11]

NickHu:

I guess I have to manually do each transponder then

[17:04:17]

iamlindoro:

NO

[17:04:28]

iamlindoro:

Please trying reading

[17:04:42]

iamlindoro:

er try

[17:04:44]

iamlindoro:

iamlindoro: you want to specify the attributes of ONE transponder

[17:04:44]

iamlindoro:

[10:00am] iamlindoro: myth takes it from there and if the broadcaster has correctly configured their satellite, it will discover all available services

[17:04:57]

iamlindoro:

That is the third time I've answered the question for you

[17:05:03]

NickHu:

Yes I'm doing that

[17:05:10]

NickHu:

But freesat is span over like 13 transponders

[17:05:11]

iamlindoro:

and the reason it's so hard for both of us is that you want to barrel through instead of understanding how things work

[17:05:17]

iamlindoro:

jesus fucking christ

[17:05:18]

NickHu:

I guess I have to manually do each *transponder*

[17:05:20]

iamlindoro:

NO

[17:05:24]

iamlindoro:

YOU FUCKING DON'T

[17:05:36]

iamlindoro:

YOU DO ONE

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wagnerrp:

ooooo

[17:05:43]

NickHu:

And it finds the others??

[17:05:45]

NickHu:

OHHHRIIITEEE

[17:05:55]

iamlindoro:

iamlindoro: iamlindoro: you want to specify the attributes of ONE transponder

[17:05:55]

iamlindoro:

[10:04am] iamlindoro: [10:00am] iamlindoro: myth takes it from there and if the broadcaster has correctly configured their satellite, it will discover all available services

[17:06:08]

iamlindoro:

Please, ask one more time whether you have to do each transponder

[17:06:09]

iamlindoro:

please

[17:06:11]

iamlindoro:

just once more

[17:06:14]

NickHu:

Yeah, but you said services, I didn't know it could jump transponders

[17:06:23]

NickHu:

+ What's a transponder?

[17:06:28]

iamlindoro:

And the reason you don't know is because you refuse to get your basics down

[17:06:29]

NickHu:

^I joke ;)

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iamlindoro:

You know what, I am only taking questions from places I actually live from here on out

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NickHu:

Where do you live?

[17:08:53]

iamlindoro:

Poland

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** Beirdo reads the scrollback... yikes. I guess a general reminder about channel rules isn't out of order here. **

[17:14:14]

iamlindoro:

I've earned the occasional exemption

[17:15:08]

Beirdo:

perhaps :) but it makes it that much harder to enforce our rules when we break em ourselves :)

[17:15:40]

Beirdo:

but... Let's just relax and have a calming beverage of one's choice...

[17:15:46]

Beirdo:

I'll have coffee.

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iamlindoro:

They don't like it when I have my calming beverage at work

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Beirdo:

hehe, that sucks :)

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kormoc:

Rules are intended to be broken, see the new flick starting iamlindoro as Rebel Without a Cause

[17:17:13]

Beirdo:

yeah, I liken it to when you are out building a deck or something and pound your thumb hard with the hammer. Most people will swear loudly at that... even pastors.

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wagnerrp:

or spill coke all over your laptop

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Beirdo:

yeah, that would count too.

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NickHu:

Hey guys, I get Channel -51032 (FRANCE 24) was found to be in conflict with other channels

[17:32:38]

NickHu:

What do I do?

[17:33:03]

NickHu:

Nevermind

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zertyui:

hello there

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zertyui:

is there any ethernet dbs tv tuner card ?

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iamlindoro:

no

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zertyui:

why ?

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iamlindoro:

...?

[17:36:02]

iamlindoro:

Because nobody has decided to build one

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wagnerrp:

there is he netceiver

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wagnerrp:

essentially a linux box with multiple cards, connected over the network

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wagnerrp:

whether or not it can be used by mythtv, i have no idea

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zertyui:

wh

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zertyui:

sorry i don't understand ?

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Beirdo:

OK, someone at work is particularly stupid

[17:38:14]

Beirdo:

they put the new bags of coffee in FRONT of the old bags

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wagnerrp:

the netceiver, its an embedded linux box, connected over the network, with three modular tuner card slots

[17:38:33]

Beirdo:

that's not how you are supposed to cycle through product.

[17:38:53]

wagnerrp:

mythtv has no direct support, meaning it would only work if they have some kernel driver that exposes itself through the DVB API

[17:38:55]

wagnerrp:

i dont know if they do

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zertyui:

ok

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** Beirdo rearranged it so the coffee roasted in January and March were at the front, not the back **

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zertyui:

netceived not only available in Deutschland ?

[17:42:23]

wagnerrp:

i would do some research on your own

[17:42:32]

wagnerrp:

as explained, i have no idea whether you can actually use it with mythtv

[17:42:47]

wagnerrp:

and ive never heard any mention of it on the mailing lists indicating anyone was using it with mythtv

[17:43:17]

zertyui:

ok now a question with mythtv

[17:43:27]

zertyui:

is it possible to install mythtv on a mac ?

[17:43:38]

wagnerrp:

yes, but you will be limited in tuner support

[17:43:50]

wagnerrp:

basically, the HDHomeRun and HDPVR are about it

[17:43:59]

wagnerrp:

and IPTV

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wagnerrp:

US users get firewire too

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iamlindoro:

no HDPVR

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iamlindoro:

HD-PVR is v4l

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wagnerrp:

oh, HDHomeRun and IPTV only

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zertyui:

i m totaly new to here

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zertyui:

i can't understand what talk about

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zertyui:

my question is simply is it possible to install mythtv on mac osX ?

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wagnerrp:

yes

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iamlindoro:

You can install it, but it won't be much use, since you won't be able to capture anything where you live

[17:46:42]

wagnerrp:

but with no tuner support, whats the point?

[17:47:17]

zertyui:

when you say tuner, are you talking about tv tuner card ?

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iamlindoro:

yes

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wagnerrp:

the thing that records your shows

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wagnerrp:

the thing that makes a PVR a PVR, and not just a playback device

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zertyui:

so if it don't suport tuner what is the use on mac ?

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wagnerrp:

as a dedicated frontend, connected to a remote backend with tuners

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iamlindoro:

That's what we are saying to you

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wagnerrp:

a backend which would likely be running linux

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wagnerrp:

http://mythtv.org/wiki/Executive_Overview

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zertyui:

so if i catch you well, you mean we can just only use mythtv as client not as server, this is what are you trying to say ?

[17:50:16]

wagnerrp:

no, you need at least one server somewhere

[17:50:23]

wagnerrp:

but it does not have to be running on the local machine

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wagnerrp:

you can stuff a linux box in the closet or basement with tuners and hard drives

[17:50:51]

wagnerrp:

and then run your mac box as a client to that linux backend

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zertyui:

i mean the version dedicated for mac just only can be as client not as server ?

[17:51:19]

wagnerrp:

but that mac frontend will not function without a backend to connect to

[17:51:46]

wagnerrp:

correct, you can choose to run only the frontend, or only the backend, or both, on any single machine

[17:53:34]

zertyui:

there is no .dmg extension for mac from your website

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iamlindoro:

We don't provide installers or binaries

[17:53:57]

iamlindoro:

we provide source code

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wagnerrp:

there are third parties that provide compiled installers, and those are listed on the wiki

[17:54:20]

iamlindoro:

If you want a version for Mac OS, you need to build it yourself, or find someone who builds it and publishes it

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zertyui:

i don't know how to compile it from source code on mac

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kormoc:

zertyui, are you planning to setup a linux computer to run the backend?

[17:55:58]

zertyui:

yes correct

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kormoc:

I'd say you should focus on that first. There are third parties that provide OS X binaries that you can get, but you need to match the OS X binary to the linux version

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NickHu:

Hey gues, does over the air guide (EIT) work in the UK?

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zertyui:

well is there any web gui for mythtv ?

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kormoc:

zertyui, no

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kormoc:

well, not for setting it up

[17:59:15]

wagnerrp:

zertyui: you mean for setup and configuration?

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kormoc:

there's mythweb for management

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iamlindoro:

Is that like Windows for Workgroups?

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zertyui:

yes for management

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iamlindoro:

MythWeb for Management-- provides all the buzzwords management needs... AJAX, SLA, Enterprise Grade...

[18:02:30]

NickHu:

Guys, how long can mythfilldatabase take?

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wagnerrp:

management being... adding recording rules, deleting recordings, checking upcoming schedules...

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NickHu:

It's been going for a couple of minutes

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wagnerrp:

NickHu: very normal

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iamlindoro:

not that he should be using mfdb at all

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iamlindoro:

since he's attempting to use EIT

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NickHu:

iamlindoro: I switched to XMLTV because EIT doesn't seem to work

[18:03:38]

NickHu:

Well, I haven't got it to work

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NickHu:

Amidoinitrite?

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kormoc:

NickHu, depends. Seconds... Minutes... Hours... Days... Weeks... Months... It all depends on the upstream source

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NickHu:

kormoc: Localhost

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kormoc:

So you're typing in all the guide data? I guess then it'll depend on how fast you type

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NickHu:

Well there's quite a lot of HDD I/O so I assume it's doing stuff

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NickHu:

No

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NickHu:

I mean the program mythfilldatabase

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wagnerrp:

an XMLTV file on disk may still take several minutes to process, depending on the length of the data and how many channels you have

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NickHu:

Will all my channels be ordered properly afterwards though?

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wagnerrp:

ordered properly?

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NickHu:

They're in some weird order at the moment

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NickHu:

I think it's the order they were tuned in

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kormoc:

My statement still stands. Your upstream provider could be giving you a nice huge file that takes awhile, they could take forever to generate it, etc

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NickHu:

kormoc: But how would it relate to my typing?

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wagnerrp:

if the content was coming from localhost

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NickHu:

Also, do I need more than one connection from the satellite to my card to watch and record tv simultaneously?

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wagnerrp:

that would mean you were generating it on your own

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kormoc:

NickHu, you said your provider was localhost. Localhost is a shortcut to the current computer. You said you were getting the content from itself

[18:07:35]

NickHu:

kormoc: Oh, I thought you meant where the content was going

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wagnerrp:

NickHu: as with any digital recorder, you can record up to five shows on the same multiplex (transponder) from a single physical tuner

[18:08:18]

NickHu:

And on seperate transponders..?

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wagnerrp:

multiple transponders requires multiple physical tuners, and whatever else is needed to get the video feeds to those tuners

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wagnerrp:

whether that is multiple LNBs on multiple dishes, or a matrix switch, or what... i dont know

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wagnerrp:

im not up on satellite tech

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NickHu:

Hmm, I was told earlier that multiple transponders can exist on one satellite

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NickHu:

Maybe I got mixed up

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wagnerrp:

correct, a transponder is a single physical channel

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iamlindoro:

incorrect

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iamlindoro:

A transponder on satellite is a source of multiple physical channels

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kormoc:

Multiple transponders can exist on one satellite, doesn't mean a tuner can tune more then one at once

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NickHu:

FreeSat spans 13 transponders and it's all on one satellite, correct?

[18:10:06]

wagnerrp:

oh

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iamlindoro:

and multiple transponder can exist on a sat

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zertyui:

when using mythtv for recording purpose, is there any option able to swap or timeshift where there is publicity on the channel ?

[18:10:43]

wagnerrp:

zertyui: publicity?

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kormoc:

I'm assuming commercials?

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: Commone european term for commercials

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iamlindoro:

common

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iamlindoro:

in French, it's "publicité"

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NickHu:

2011-05–27 19:05:03.733 IconData: Updating icons for sourceid: 1

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wagnerrp:

if you are watching a recorded show, you can fast forward to the end of the ads

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NickHu:

It's been on that for a while, normal?

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zertyui:

commercial

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wagnerrp:

if you have run mythcommflag, and it works on your content, it can be configured to automatically skip the ads

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zertyui:

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zertyui:

on the tv

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wagnerrp:

if you are watching an in-progress recording, you can only skip forward as far as has been recorded already

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, That's short sighted and limited! ABSURD!

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wagnerrp:

if you are watching livetv, you can change to another channel, but you will not continue recording the original channel

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kirkB:

Hoping someone here can help me pull some data from my multi-year install. I want to know which channels I've recorded the most from. I'm sure a sql command could be cooked up to show channel, times recorded from, sorted in order. But I don't know the schema well enough to put it together easily. Does this exist somewhere already, in some form?

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kormoc:

kirkB, have mythweb?

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zertyui:

i m sorry i don't what do you mean when i run mythcommflag what will do ?

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zertyui:

understand

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kirkB:

unable to install on my box – cannot get it working

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kormoc:

kirkB, welp, Mythweb has a stats module that does that and more

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zertyui:

i don't understand i mean

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kirkB:

hmm

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zertyui:

how it skip the ads?

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wagnerrp:

zertyui: all of your recordings are... recorded

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wagnerrp:

you have all the video from here until the end of the show

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wagnerrp:

should you find an ad, you can simply skip past it

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zertyui:

including the ads also ?

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kormoc:

yes

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wagnerrp:

mythcommflag is a program that comes with mythtv that scans your recordings in an attempt to identify those sections that are ads

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wagnerrp:

it marks those sections in the database

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kormoc:

kirkB, you could also look at the mythweb source for the query we use if you prefer that way

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wagnerrp:

and you can either have mythfrontend notify you when it reaches a flagged ad

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wagnerrp:

or you can have it automatically skip that section entirely

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wagnerrp:

the commercial flagger is designed for north american content, it may not work well with the format of your ads

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zertyui:

so if i understand you well, we have to edit the video once after the recording and to flag the ads manually to cut the section we don't want, correct ?

[18:18:20]

kirkB:

does mythweb have a dedicated IRC channel – that might give me a lead into where in the code to look (not a person totally comfortable with code)

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NickHu:

IconData: Updating icons for sourceid: 1 << How long does this take?

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zertyui:

so there is no automatic ads detectors ?

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zertyui:

correct

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zertyui:

?

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wagnerrp:

zertyui: no, mythcommflag is the automatic ad detector, which can be run as a background process along side or after the recording takes place

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wagnerrp:

however it is designed for use with north american content

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wagnerrp:

since thats where all the developers who have worked on it live

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wagnerrp:

so it often is not tuned well for dealing with content outside of north america

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wagnerrp:

its basically a statistical filter, and with all such filters, it needs to be tuned

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kormoc:

kirkB, no

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Nicke200k:

Hello. Trying out .25, what's the username and password for the web based setup? (or where can i find it?)

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Nicke200k:

upgraded from .24.1

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kormoc:

kirkB, https://github.com/MythTV/mythweb/blob/master . . . dler.php#L77

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kormoc:

Nicke200k, there is no .25, there is the unstable master

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kirkB:

kormoc: wow thank you!

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Nicke200k:

well ok, i selected .25 in the mythbuntu-repos so. ;)

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kormoc:

Nicke200k, that maybe, but it's not stable, it's a moving target and will likely crash, eat babies, and leave the toilet seat up at night

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Nicke200k:

i know ;) i'm used to it ;)

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wagnerrp:

in addition to the fact that it is only partially written

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Nicke200k:

http://192.168.1.x:6544/ gives me... stuff.. but i cant access the "Setup" tab

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wagnerrp:

and is missing large chunks of capability that mean it is not usable as a replacement at this time

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Nicke200k:

need u/p

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zertyui:

unbelievable how it can detect the ads, when the ads is same as an real video, i can't understand makes the difference between an ads and ongoing content ?

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wagnerrp:

the defaults are admin, mythtv

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wagnerrp:

from here, youre on your own

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Nicke200k:

thanks ;)

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wagnerrp:

hope you have database backups

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Nicke200k:

i will not change anything there

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kormoc:

zertyui, you'd have to read the source to understand. It's not simple

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Nicke200k:

i sure have

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zertyui:

where the source ? kormoc

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Nicke200k:

backup twice a day and uploads to external host ;)

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** wagnerrp remembers all the times hes crashed his backend looking at the backend setup **

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kormoc:

zertyui, https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/tree/master/ . . . mythcommflag

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NickHu:

zertyui: It does a bunch of crap; tries to look at logos, blank frames, timings, all sorts. It's frikin' complicated

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zertyui:

is there any solution for europe ? to skip the ads

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wagnerrp:

you can try mythcommflag, see if it works well

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wagnerrp:

if not, you can simply skip in 30 second increments

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wagnerrp:

or hit "<number>, right arrow" and skip that number of minutes ahead

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NickHu:

How long does it take to update icons?

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wagnerrp:

you mentioned germany, i was under the impression their ads were done as a block at the beginning and end of shows

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zertyui:

no i m in france

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zertyui:

let me come the point

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zertyui:

mythtv is it compatible with freebox ?

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wagnerrp:

oh, 'not only available in deutschland'

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wagnerrp:

i misunderstood that

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wagnerrp:

i thought you were asking if it were available there

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wagnerrp:

yes, mythtv is compatible with freebox

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wagnerrp:

that is the purpose of the IPTV tuner mentioned way way back

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wagnerrp:

specifically designed for that service, and adapted to a number of others since

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zertyui:

what are the feature mythtv can do with freebox ?

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wagnerrp:

record?

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wagnerrp:

not sure what else you could do

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wagnerrp:

i dont think you can pull guide data, if thats what youre asking

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zertyui:

ok understand

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zertyui:

thanks

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NickHu:

wagnerrp: Do you have any idea how long it takes to update icons?

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wagnerrp:

shouldnt be long

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wagnerrp:

youre looking at a few dozen kb each from lyngsat

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wagnerrp:

at most

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NickHu:

Hmm... I guess that's why I haven't seen an increase in downstream traffic then, if it's not coming from the internet

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NickHu:

Wait, lyngsat..?

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kormoc:

website

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NickHu:

That's internet right

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NickHu:

Well my current downstream traffic is 5KiB

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wagnerrp:

same place we told you to look for satellites

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NickHu:

Can I run mythfrontend while this is going, or is that bad?

[18:46:50]

NickHu:

Also, is it normal for it to segfault if you try to fast forward live tv?

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wagnerrp:

there have been some issues with trying to fast forward beyond the amount of recording you have remaining

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wagnerrp:

but i had thought those were all resolved by now

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NickHu:

I get segfaults

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wagnerrp:

what version are you running?

[18:48:02]

NickHu:

But going back to my first question; is it "cool" to run myth frontend mid database update?

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NickHu:

community/mythtv 1:0.24.1–1 [installed]

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wagnerrp:

depends on what youre doing, icons shouldnt be a problem

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NickHu:

It won't do anything after icons would it?

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wagnerrp:

you would have to restart before you get a new channel map

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wagnerrp:

and its generally advised not to run the backend while running mythtv-setup

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wagnerrp:

which mythtv-setup warns you about when you start it

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NickHu:

Okay :)

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wagnerrp:

and of course the frontend needs the backend to operate

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NickHu:

Can you give me some basic keybindings?

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wagnerrp:

the button 4 goes to the number 4

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NickHu:

Any way to get a normal aspect ratio in the program guide?

[18:56:13]

NickHu:

community/mythtv 1:0.24.1–1 [installed]

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NickHu:

http://paste.xinu.at/GmPnB/

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wagnerrp:

dont know about that one

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wagnerrp:

love the combing

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NickHu:

combing?

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NickHu:

= I never realised how crappy SD tv is

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Beirdo:

wonder if I can close out a couple more of my tickets tonight :)

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wagnerrp:

i think im going to get the detached file server working tonight

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Beirdo:

cool

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Beirdo:

I'm definitely going to be bug-hunting tonight

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wagnerrp:

telling someone they should be using a backend and mythproto, rather than (encrypted) nfs

[19:01:09]

wagnerrp:

be nice to have an alternative if there are no tuners on that box

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Beirdo:

the new logging shows up more race conditions in the codebase

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wagnerrp:

fancy

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wagnerrp:

always love when changes inexplicably breaks things

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Beirdo:

as now the thread sending the log is NOT blocked... the timing is significantly affected

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Beirdo:

that, and shutting down with db logging on... half the time coredumps

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wagnerrp:

it just dumps straight into a FIFO queue?

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Beirdo:

as we try to log to the db... after deleting the db threads

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Beirdo:

yup

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Beirdo:

formats everything up and dumps into a FIFO

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NickHu:

Gahh, if I rewind and then resume, the sound turns into horrible horrible hissing using pulseaudio

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Beirdo:

then another thread pulls it out and puts it into the various logging sinks (like console, debug log file, db, syslog)

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wagnerrp:

formats?

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Beirdo:

format... yeah, like creates a static char* buffer

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wagnerrp:

oh

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Beirdo:

no QStrings at all in the internals, they are not thread safe

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wagnerrp:

why do they need to be?

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wagnerrp:

youre passing pointers, not copying?

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Beirdo:

I strdup into a new buffer, then pass the pointer, and its freed by the consuming thread

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Beirdo:

but not at all subject to the whims of the shallow copying of Qt

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Beirdo:

anyways, the end result is that for the thread *sending* the log message... it's quite a bit faster as it's asynchronous

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Beirdo:

and this has caused a few funky race conditions to surface

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: where is the upnp server stuff?

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wagnerrp:

is that in mythbackend, or in a library?

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wagnerrp:

... i guess its in libmythupnp

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Beirdo:

sorry, was away

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Beirdo:

yeah, libmythupnp, mosly

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James2^2:

hi everyone, i have a system which i am setting up for 'multiRec'. Once i start recording a channel on a multiplex, i then get locked to that multiplex for channel up+down. The first 2 times i exited live tv after setting to record 1 or more things on the multiplex, when i went back into live tv, it used a different tuner

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James2^2:

the first time sorry

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James2^2:

the second time, i am getting the already locked second tuner, and opening tv guide hihglights in blue all channels off the multiplex.

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wagnerrp:

yes, side effect of multirec

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James2^2:

when i try to change to one of them, it just quits and keeps showing the same program, despite the fact i still have 2 available tuners

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wagnerrp:

livetv simply chooses the next available tuner, rather than the next completely free tuner

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James2^2:

also with whatever gui iam using, i dont seem to have a tv guide option

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sphery:

hit the NEXTCARD button (which you'll have to map in Utilities/Setup|Edit Keys) or use the MENU to switch tuners

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James2^2:

ah i see

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James2^2:

fine for me, but wont be for the technophone that will be using this system lol

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James2^2:

technophobe*

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wagnerrp:

train him/her otherwise

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sphery:

there's also a way to configure your system so that Live TV starts on a different tuner, but if you do that it will affect recording placement and can result in missed recordings (i.e. it prioritizes live tv over recordings)--and, yes, I realize that mythtv asks if it can use the tuner when it needs it, but this /still/ breaks proper tuner placement and can result in lost recordings

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James2^2:

how does it determine the 'next available' tuner

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James2^2:

is it based on the order they are in the database by any chance?

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wagnerrp:

correct

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sphery:

James2^2: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/369358#369358 has the workaround... read the whole post and use the last approach

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wagnerrp:

the order you define them in mythtv

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sphery:

right... order you define capture cards

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sphery:

(and unrelated to order you connect inputs, which is the order inputs are used for recordings)

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sphery:

so live tv and recordings can use separate orders

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James2^2:

thats a bit odd actually wagnerrp.. i added 2 cards with 1 simultaneous, 2 more cards with 2 simul, then went and edited all of them to do 4

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James2^2:

so the db order is very wierd :P

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sphery:

if you want to re-order things, use the capture card portion of http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034

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James2^2:

i suppose the key here, is what happens when i start recording live tv

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sphery:

i.e. it resets the order

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James2^2:

will that fix make a channel change swap to a new tuner?

[19:32:24]

sphery:

James2^2: read the first post I linked (with workaround) and it explains everything

[19:32:32]

James2^2:

ok cool

[19:32:34]

sphery:

but read the whole thing

[19:32:38]

James2^2:

probably ttyl :P

[19:32:43]

sphery:

otherwise, you'll likely mis-interpret :)

[19:32:47]

James2^2:

np

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Beirdo:

sphery: we really need to fix the ordering nonsense in the web-based config :)

[19:33:00]

sphery:

and use the 2nd post I liknked to clear out old order

[19:33:03]

James2^2:

web based config?

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James2^2:

ooh wheres that

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Beirdo:

let people drag and drop into the desired order

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Beirdo:

James2^2: in development

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sphery:

Beirdo: yeah, just have it so it shows order and allows reordering

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James2^2:

ah damn :P

[19:33:41]

James2^2:

i should really get tv at home

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James2^2:

i should so be on the mythtv dev team :P

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sphery:

though when we do, users will still complain that it doesn't work (because at that point they won't understand what's going on, so they'll mis-interpret observations and think it's not working right, when really they're not considering the whole system)

[19:34:08]

James2^2:

without tv at home even having one at home seems a bit pointless :P

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James2^2:

yeah good read, i handt even considered what will happen when i get the other frontend built :P

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James2^2:

yup cool

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James2^2:

and should work even if some backends are combined frontend/backend

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James2^2:

i have 2 combined fe/be lol just to complimacate it :P

[19:45:08]

James2^2:

and potentially 3 standalone fe's too

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James2^2:

and a total of 8 inputs (6 of which are broadcast) for all of them to share, so not a very common setup i think

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James2^2:

sphery, do i *have* to wipe my db clean, or can i just edit the card ids in both cardinput and capturecard tables

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wagnerrp:

James2^2: use the 'delete all cards' (on all hosts)

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wagnerrp:

if you go manually tinkering in the database, youre liable to miss something

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James2^2:

theres references to cardid in channelscan too

[19:53:25]

James2^2:

ive just checked every single table ;)

[19:53:40]

James2^2:

i have a backup of /var/lib/mysql, so whats the worst that can happen :P

[19:53:49]

wagnerrp:

adding ll the cards back is not likely to take more than a couple minutes anyway

[19:53:58]

James2^2:

adding the cards no,

[19:54:04]

James2^2:

scanning for channels however is painful

[19:54:12]

wagnerrp:

why would you have to scan for channels?

[19:54:17]

James2^2:

ive done it 3 times today already

[19:54:35]

James2^2:

well if i delete the card surely it must delete the reference to channels associated with the now non existant card

[19:54:49]

wagnerrp:

channels are no associated with cards or inputs

[19:54:52]

wagnerrp:

*not

[19:55:20]

James2^2:

so how does it know what channels are available from each input?

[19:55:38]

wagnerrp:

channels are associated to sources, sources are associated to inputs, inputs are associated to cards

[19:55:55]

wagnerrp:

so you can add or delete cards at will, and just map them to an existing source

[19:55:58]

James2^2:

ahha

[19:56:04]

James2^2:

someone thought hard about mythtv

[19:56:06]

James2^2:

nice work :P

[19:56:15]

wagnerrp:

if you have multiple tuners hooked up to the same antenna or same cable, they should all be using the same source

[19:56:23]

James2^2:

one question there..

[19:56:30]

James2^2:

i have dvb-t and dvb-s in the uk

[19:56:32]

wagnerrp:

meaning you should have only scanned for channels once per source, not per tuner, not per card

[19:56:46]

James2^2:

i have an eit source for each, and i also created a xmltv source for each

[19:56:55]

sphery:

James2^2: it doesn't wipe it clean... it just resets it

[19:56:59]

sphery:

and only deletes capture cards

[19:57:07]

James2^2:

but i notice that the radio times xmltv feed is identical for both

[19:57:07]

sphery:

doesn't touch video sources or channels

[19:57:21]

sphery:

do Delete all capture cards--don't edit the db directly

[19:57:37]

sphery:

unless you first read all of the mythtv source code and understand all of the data constraints :)

[19:57:42]

James2^2:

do i actusally need both those sources

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James2^2:

yeah i will once i work this bit out :P

[19:58:12]

James2^2:

im a mysql geek, and i would hope you are using innodb with constraints

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sphery:

(and I see wagnerrp already covered that :)

[19:58:23]

James2^2:

if its *that* important :P

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sphery:

we're not... all constraints are in the app code

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James2^2:

ah evil lol

[19:58:40]

sphery:

because we've been using mysql since before innodb was usable

[19:58:43]

James2^2:

ah i see

[19:58:51]

James2^2:

how old is mythtv then?

[19:58:56]

sphery:

and when most people used myisam (and now getting people off myisam will be a challenge :)

[19:58:58]

James2^2:

ive been using it for ~5 years

[19:59:02]

sphery:

started in 2001

[19:59:23]

James2^2:

well as youre php based, could be a big upgrade choice in say 0.28

[19:59:34]

sphery:

it also doesn't help that distros tend to disable innodb because "it saves 40MB RAM"

[19:59:36]

wagnerrp:

only mythweb is php based

[19:59:42]

sphery:

(granted, with 5.5, that will change)

[19:59:51]

wagnerrp:

at least one of our devs is running innodb on all his tables

[20:00:02]

wagnerrp:

and it seems to work well enough, he hasnt reported any problems

[20:00:10]

wagnerrp:

and being a DBA, he can fix them if they do arise

[20:00:22]

James2^2:

yeah there should be no noticable difference switching from myisam

[20:00:38]

wagnerrp:

moving to innodb would resolve a number of issues

[20:00:45]

sphery:

yes, and we won't guarantee that the conversion to innodb will work properly if you're using innodb now

[20:00:48]

wagnerrp:

but it all falls down to the fact that distros are disabling it by default

[20:00:53]

James2^2:

right but back to my current issue :P

[20:01:10]

sphery:

just delete all capture cards, then re-create capture cards and re-connect inputs

[20:01:15]

James2^2:

can 2 different inputs share the same instace of an xmltv feed

[20:01:16]

sphery:

create capture cards in live tv usage order

[20:01:21]

sphery:

connect inputs in recording usage order

[20:01:34]

sphery:

and, yes, you can use the same video source for multiple inputs

[20:01:40]

wagnerrp:

sure, but mythfilldatabase will populate them independently

[20:01:42]

sphery:

provided that they actually have the same source of video

[20:01:46]

James2^2:

atm i have the uk_rt feed twice, once for freeview, and once for freesat, but all it does it download everything rwice it seems

[20:01:55]

sphery:

i.e. they have the same channels /and/ tuning information

[20:02:06]

James2^2:

i also have pure eit feeds for both

[20:02:10]

sphery:

(so you can't share an input between firewire and analog capture or digital and analog capture)

[20:02:19]

sphery:

and you can't mix eit and xmltv on the same channel

[20:02:37]

James2^2:

ok so i do need both then

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sphery:

you can have eit + xmltv in the same video source, but each channel can use only one of the 2 listings sources

[20:03:09]

sphery:

i.e. you need to ensure you've disabled eit on every channel that's using xmltv

[20:03:18]

James2^2:

ah i see

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James2^2:

once i get this sorted i'll be moving on to "how do i make flag commericals more effective" so you're pre warned :P

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sphery:

heh, from what I understand, in UK, the only approach is to write your own flaggers for inclusion

[20:06:34]

wagnerrp:

in bash

[20:06:43]

sphery:

ignoring, of course, the hack that uses an external mp3 splitter app

[20:06:46]

James2^2:

critical question here...

[20:07:02]

James2^2:

what happens if the tuner is set to more max # recordings than there are channels on the mux?

[20:07:05]

wagnerrp:

critical answer, no, dont hack together large solutions using bash

[20:07:24]

wagnerrp:

James2^2: max recordings just sets the number of virtual tuners you have on that physical tuner

[20:07:33]

wagnerrp:

each recording on the same mux will use one virtual tuner

[20:07:36]

James2^2:

i set all to 4 to be conservative earlier, but some of our muxes have 10+ channels on

[20:07:44]

wagnerrp:

each livetv session will again use one virtual tuner

[20:08:13]

NickHu:

About XMLTV listings

[20:08:22]

James2^2:

so it wont trip out mythtv when there are 10 virtual tuners and only 4 things on the mux it is locked to

[20:08:23]

NickHu:

And having to disable EIT for them to work, how do I go about that?

[20:09:02]

wagnerrp:

you are limited to 5 per physical tuner, a soft limit in the menu due to hardware limitations on some tuners and performance realities on the scheduler

[20:09:12]

wagnerrp:

so using 4 isnt really conservative

[20:10:27]

wagnerrp:

hehehe

[20:10:48]

wagnerrp:

i asked him why he was spending days on handbrake to transcode his blurays

[20:11:07]

wagnerrp:

and he refused to answer, saying such things should be discussed in private

[20:11:15]

wagnerrp:

well, at least people have finally learned

[20:11:22]

sphery:

wagnerrp: btw, on the advanced settings thread... atom = pentium 4... wouldn't that be atom = p4 1.6GHz

[20:11:34]

sphery:

versus atom = P4 3GHz, which was the min for hdtv

[20:11:43]

NickHu:

How do I use XMLTV EPG over EIT EPG?

[20:11:45]

sphery:

(and then only mpeg2 hdtv, and was right on the edge of usable)

[20:11:49]

wagnerrp:

sphery: for single threaded operations, effectively yes

[20:11:58]

wagnerrp:

i think the atom actually has a bit of edge

[20:12:07]

sphery:

mainly because of dual coredness?

[20:12:11]

wagnerrp:

which it has no branch predictor, the shorter pipeline helps a lot

[20:12:17]

sphery:

ahhh

[20:12:20]

wagnerrp:

no, i mean for single threaded operations

[20:12:22]

sphery:

makes sense

[20:12:47]

sphery:

but still atom is not a p4 3ghz equivalent, so not really "same as what we've always been saying to use"

[20:12:58]

wagnerrp:

correct

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wagnerrp:

and thats what weve been saying as a bare minimum

[20:13:15]

wagnerrp:

and the p4 was never 'king'

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sphery:

yeah

[20:13:45]

sphery:

just wanted to verify I'm not as far out of touch as that made me think I may be

[20:14:18]

sphery:

NickHu: disable eit on your video source (or on every single channel) and then set up an xmltv grabber

[20:14:51]

wagnerrp:

but his P3 comparison was a bit off

[20:15:03]

wagnerrp:

in terms of raw performance, he may be right

[20:15:12]

wagnerrp:

but the ancient bus and memory controller hold it back too much

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sphery:

I didn't get to the P3 message

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sphery:

I'll have to finish the thread

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wagnerrp:

something like the 1GHz Dothan in the AppleTV (1GHz P3 with a modernized bus) is probably on par with a 1.6GHz Atom

[20:17:10]

sphery:

wow

[20:17:21]

NickHu:

Do I need to mythfilldatabase again?

[20:17:30]

wagnerrp:

have you changed your channel lineup?

[20:17:39]

NickHu:

I disabled EIT

[20:18:01]

wagnerrp:

you should probably flush the whole thing, and pull fresh from xmltv

[20:18:03]

sphery:

I really want to reply with, "Settings are things added to programs when the developer doesn't know enough to just do the right thing."

[20:18:45]

sphery:

though it looks like the whole, "Give me settings to tweak everything," part of the thread got derailed and everyone is focused on his running backend/frontend/encrypted nfs4 on an atom

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sphery:

which is "/more than/ powerful enough"

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NickHu:

wagnerrp: Does that flush the icons? Those were a bitch to download

[20:19:28]

NickHu:

Also, I have tons of duplicate channels :/

[20:19:40]

wagnerrp:

flush being... 'truncate table program;'

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NickHu:

I don't know what that means

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sphery:

heh, Jim linked my, "Atom is just a power-constrained device and you can get real CPUs that are power efficient"

[20:22:29]

NickHu:

wagnerrp: How do I flush it? + Can I preserve the icons?

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wagnerrp:

flush the guide data, in mysql

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NickHu:

Crash course on mysql pl0x

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James2^2:

If you want to enable "Avoid conflicts between LiveTV and recordings" << Where is that option?

[20:24:28]

wagnerrp:

mysql -umythtv -pmythtv -e 'truncate table mythtv' mythconverg

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James2^2:

fe or be?

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wagnerrp:

erm... truncate table program

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NickHu:

ERROR 1146 (42S02) at line 1: Table 'mythconverg.mythtv' doesn't exist

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James2^2:

lol that could have been dangerous NickHu

[20:25:15]

James2^2:

read the following lines before blindly copy/pasting something :P

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iamlindoro:

he forgot to follow it with rm -rf /

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NickHu:

My bad :P

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wagnerrp:

mysql -umythtv -pmythtv -e 'drop database mythconverg'

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wagnerrp:

(do not run that one)

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James2^2:

lol

[20:25:55]

NickHu:

Hahaha, I know :P

[20:26:16]

NickHu:

I just got confused because program means both computer program and a program guide :L

[20:26:21]

James2^2:

nearly as bad as "dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/sda" :P

[20:27:08]

NickHu:

What can I do about the duplicate channels though? :/

[20:27:48]

James2^2:

If you want to enable "Avoid conflicts between LiveTV and recordings" << Where is that option? Googling it just brings up the thousands of bug reports which include changing it, but i cant find any that say where it is

[20:28:32]

James2^2:

even frontend/backend would narrow it down :P

[20:30:12]

iamlindoro:

frontend

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NickHu:

OH FUCK

[20:30:55]

NickHu:

Updating icons again -.-

[20:31:51]

James2^2:

lol i did that by mistake yesterday

[20:32:07]

NickHu:

-.-

[20:32:19]

sphery:

heh, not the (less-opinionated, more-SFW) article I was looking for, but same idea: http://flyosity.com/iphone/kill-the-settings- . . . software.php

[20:32:32]

NickHu:

On another note, you can get HD TV in the UK on DVB-S1

[20:32:36]

jams:

NickHu- please watch your language

[20:32:42]

NickHu:

jams: Sorry

[20:33:18]

NickHu:

With XMLTV, can I have the EPG like freesat?

[20:33:29]

jams:

you didn't spill coke on your keyboard, that would be your only excuse :)

[20:33:36]

James2^2:

can someone please tell me where the "Avoid conflicts between LiveTV and recordings" option is

[20:33:45]

James2^2:

im on about my 50th newsgroup post now

[20:33:53]

wagnerrp:

jams: were you the one who had the channel stats page up?

[20:34:06]

jams:

yeah that was me

[20:34:09]

iamlindoro:

jams: Or sit around handling questions for 5+ years, that's the other... and even then, only occasionally ;)

[20:34:11]

wagnerrp:

where is that?

[20:34:15]

NickHu:

Pah, you know what, screw XMLTV

[20:34:22]

jams:

good question..let me find it

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wagnerrp:

hehe

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kormoc:

sphery, ++ to that link

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joshpond:

hi all

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iamlindoro:

But surely our player needs a setting to tweak the buffer period! How would it work otherwise!!??!?! ;)

[20:36:12]

joshpond:

quick Q, when installing myth service, it says that it allows remote access from another pc

[20:36:32]

joshpond:

is that like a frontend from another pc on the local lan or over the internet?

[20:36:34]

wagnerrp:

joshpond: it can, depending on how you configure it

[20:36:42]

wagnerrp:

yes, local lan only

[20:36:53]

jams:

wagnerrp- it will me up shortly..it was removed some time ago during some reorg. The process is generating a new page as we speak

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wagnerrp:

(or internet if you use a VPN and your upstream is sufficiently high)

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James2^2:

over the internet would be sweet, but i doubt you have the bandwidth :P

[20:36:57]

jams:

*be up

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** James2^2 has 2.6mbit upload, and it isnt sufficent for low quality programs **

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iamlindoro:

!trout wagnerrp

[20:37:30]

** MythLogBot slaps wagnerrp with a trout on behalf of iamlindoro... **

[20:37:33]

iamlindoro:

!trout jams

[20:37:33]

** MythLogBot slaps jams with a trout on behalf of iamlindoro... **

[20:37:34]

joshpond:

thanks so if not selected I can't run another fronted, I'm limited to just a front/backend combo

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iamlindoro:

@trout Beirdo

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iamlindoro:

!trout Beirdo

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** MythLogBot slaps Beirdo with a trout on behalf of iamlindoro... **

[20:37:45]

iamlindoro:

There

[20:37:47]

wagnerrp:

eh?

[20:37:47]

sphery:

kormoc: there was one from a software design guru (like a real name in the FOSS community) that basically said that settings are something we add to software when we can't figure out what's the right thing to do... really want to find that article

[20:37:48]

iamlindoro:

Now I can be sure to take that one ;)

[20:37:51]

iamlindoro:

The violence one

[20:37:59]

wagnerrp:

surely its too late

[20:38:06]

James2^2:

joshpond, correct

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iamlindoro:

PS, if it was my bot, I would make sure it did something really awful who tried to trout me ;)

[20:38:17]

sphery:

as in the case of the thread on -dev, this is another "we don't need a setting, we just need to fix the software to do the right thing"

[20:38:21]

jams:

hehe that would be amusing

[20:38:22]

joshpond:

ok thanks..

[20:38:23]

kormoc:

James2^2, but but but I have 100 mbit up!

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: ISTR that the violence one someone listed the last person to do it

[20:38:33]

James2^2:

you lucky B88stard

[20:38:50]

kormoc:

James2^2, nah, the 'lucky' ones are the guys who pay for 200/200 or 400/400

[20:38:51]

James2^2:

well tbh i have gigabit up available,

[20:38:54]

wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: i mean its already generating

[20:39:05]

iamlindoro:

Well then the violence just makes me feel better

[20:39:10]

kormoc:

James2^2, I actually go to the world at 100. It's absurd, but is the future

[20:39:10]

James2^2:

but my datacenter wont be too happy about runnig me a coax feed from an aeriel :P

[20:40:03]

James2^2:

so for gods sake please....

[20:40:06]

James2^2:

can someone please tell me where the "Avoid conflicts between LiveTV and recordings" option is

[20:40:21]

James2^2:

i know ive seen it before, just cant rememebr where lol

[20:40:36]

wagnerrp:

i dont think anyone actually knows, since we never use it

[20:40:42]

James2^2:

thanks to all the ppl with multirec issues on the news groups, google isnt helping

[20:41:04]

joshpond:

okay tougher Q, when I select mythtv service my watch TV starts getting digital pixelations when using a hdhomerun dvb-t tuner

[20:41:07]

kormoc:

James2^2, http://tinyurl.com/3cqgyp3

[20:41:21]

wagnerrp:

joshpond: insufficient signal

[20:41:23]

joshpond:

when the sevice isn't selected it is all fine

[20:41:39]

wagnerrp:

or poor quality video from the broadcaster

[20:41:51]

James2^2:

kormoc: so quoteing the option name was my problem :P

[20:42:16]

kormoc:

James2^2, nah, shouldn't have been, adding the wiki.mythtv.org to pull that up first helps a bit

[20:42:25]

kormoc:

our wiki's pr isn't so high

[20:42:36]

joshpond:

does myth service reduce signal quality?

[20:42:38]

James2^2:

ah right

[20:42:44]

James2^2:

so frontend :P

[20:42:47]

wagnerrp:

no so high as some (wrong) howtos

[20:42:54]

James2^2:

im still in backend config so nowonder i couldnt find it :P

[20:43:52]

joshpond:

sorry, no myth service installed no pixelations

[20:45:49]

wagnerrp:

considering mythtv does not support updating the firmware on an HDHR, there is exactly zero way for mythtv to affect the quality output by an HDHR

[20:46:05]

NickHu:

What's the safe way to delete the whole myth database?

[20:46:12]

NickHu:

I'm going for the start-again approach

[20:46:17]

wagnerrp:

drop database mythconverg

[20:46:36]

devinheitmueller:

wagnerrp: the only way I can think of MythTV effecting the tuning performance was if it was passing raw frequencies in the tuning command as opposed to channel numbers, and if those frequencies were incorrect.

[20:46:58]

devinheitmueller:

(the HDHR homerun allows you to specify either a frequency or channel number in the tuning command)

[20:47:13]

wagnerrp:

devinheitmueller: even still, it would be unable to affect outside applications, which is what joshpond seems to be implying

[20:47:29]

devinheitmueller:

wagnerrp: if he's comparing it to hdhomerun_gui, that always uses the channel number.

[20:47:33]

joshpond:

Is there some way that mythservice would would affect the mpeg2 stream

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kormoc:

joshpond, no

[20:47:59]

wagnerrp:

joshpond: only if mythtv is currently recording

[20:48:11]

devinheitmueller:

If he's getting pixelation, my guess would be the packets coming from the HDHR aren't getting read fast enough by the mythtvbackend and some percentage are not being written to disk.

[20:48:11]

wagnerrp:

and then if it were, no other utility could access that stream until mythtv gave it up

[20:48:16]

joshpond:

how about bandwidth

[20:48:17]

kc:

James2^2: Frontend -> Utilities/Setup -> Setup -> TV Settings -> General. First Page

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wagnerrp:

bandwidth could be an issue

[20:48:28]

wagnerrp:

either network or disk

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devinheitmueller:

Also, the hdhomerunconfig_gui always employs service filters, so if it looks fine there but MythTV is configured for multirec, then it might be trying to send the whole stream.

[20:49:53]

wagnerrp:

which on dvb-t might be 20–30mbps

[20:50:03]

devinheitmueller:

joshpond: when you say there is no pixelation outside of mythtv, what application are you talking about?

[20:50:04]

jams:

wagnerrp- http://jmeyer.us/stats/index.html

[20:50:06]

wagnerrp:

if youre trying to record over wireless, you will very likely have troubles

[20:50:09]

joshpond:

possibly it

[20:50:09]

jams:

graphics will be fixed shortly

[20:50:18]

joshpond:

quickview on windows

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kormoc:

oh crap, 66668 lines? I spoke 2 too many!

[20:50:42]

joshpond:

gigabit network but the pc only has a mb port

[20:50:55]

joshpond:

might try and get a gb pci card in there

[20:51:03]

James2^2:

ok i think this is a rarity tbh, but multirec really does bugger up of your scroll through channels in livetv mode, and start randomly recording stuff :P

[20:51:33]

James2^2:

2 recordings, and even with the 'better' way of doing it, im locked to a tuner

[20:51:33]

devinheitmueller:

Could also be an issue with MPEG error recovery – where the other application recovers more gracefully than MythTV from conditions such as PTS discontinuities.

[20:52:00]

wagnerrp:

mythtv uses the HDHR libraries internally

[20:52:13]

jams:

kormoc- you have moved up the ranks

[20:52:21]

wagnerrp:

and as of 0.24, is using libraries patched by SD themselves

[20:52:33]

wagnerrp:

its possible were doing bad things with the library, but...

[20:52:44]

devinheitmueller:

wagnerrp: I know it does. I'm saying though that perhaps the quality is poor in both cases, but the MPEG decoder in his other application handles issues better than MythTV's internal player.

[20:52:57]

kormoc:

jams, which is surprising. I don't talk /that/ much... I thought

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iamlindoro:

Heh, I banned Dagmar and mchou within 30 days of one another

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wagnerrp:

oh, youre talking about the TS stream itself

[20:53:27]

joshpond:

but it only seems to be an issue when mythservice is selected in the install

[20:53:28]

wagnerrp:

i thought you were talking about the recovery from the broadcast stream

[20:53:44]

kormoc:

joshpond, selected or running?

[20:53:48]

devinheitmueller:

wagnerrp: correct. How effectively a renderer recovers from errors is one of those things that distinguishes a good decoder from a bad one, and it's hard to evaluate without looking at poor streams.

[20:53:55]

iamlindoro:

What in the world is a "mythservice?"

[20:54:08]

joshpond:

selected on install of mythbuntu

[20:54:18]

joshpond:

not sure how to tell if it is running or not

[20:54:28]

iamlindoro:

I am pretty sure whatever you're talking about doesn't use that term

[20:54:35]

joshpond:

It was the only way I got clear picture on myth

[20:55:09]

iamlindoro:

We don't provide anything called "mythservice," so it's difficult to pin down exactly what you're referring to

[20:55:11]

wagnerrp:

joshpond: so you could record using myth without this 'mythservice' running?

[20:55:22]

iamlindoro:

if you're talking about starting the backend, it's the only way you can run myth, period

[20:55:34]

joshpond:

when I install 1104 mythbuntu there are options at the start from memory, samba,nfs,ssh and myth service (allow remote access)

[20:56:03]

joshpond:

I can watch tv with no pixelation when it is not selected in the install options

[20:56:34]

wagnerrp:

yeah, sounds like some screwy networking issue

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joshpond:

yeah I don't know the exact workings of the myth service but if it is soaking up some bandwidth

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joshpond:

^ or if it is soaking up some bandwidth

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wagnerrp:

except the /only/ thing enabling remote access does is change the address mythbackend listens on from 127.0.0.1, to your local network address

[20:58:54]

wagnerrp:

any local traffic from the local frontend should still be handled internally, and never touch the network card

[20:59:26]

wagnerrp:

unless some screwy network setting is forcing that traffic out on the line, and then back again

[21:00:26]

joshpond:

Okay when I get home Ill try some troubleshooting.

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joshpond:

1) try some different cables, inwall ports

[21:00:49]

NickHu:

VDPAU > All right?

[21:00:54]

joshpond:

2) try a gb pci card, I think I have a few spares

[21:01:03]

joshpond:

and then I'll get back

[21:01:07]

joshpond:

thanks for the help guys

[21:01:26]

joshpond:

3) try a few more clean installs

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wagnerrp:

i need to get my AAAA records set up on the local network

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zertyui:

hello

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zertyui:

there

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zertyui:

i just download mythtv frontend/backend on my mac os X

[21:29:49]

zertyui:

to setup with my freebox

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zertyui:

but when runing the mythtv backend is ask me for three things

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zertyui:

by running mythtvsetup it asking for three things

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zertyui:

hostname

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zertyui:

port database username and password

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iamlindoro:

It is asking for the information to log in to your MySQL database server

[21:33:18]

iamlindoro:

You need to set up a DB server, and create the database

[21:33:27]

iamlindoro:

You cannot simply download a package and run it-- you need to read the instructions

[21:41:00]

zertyui:

but i got a data server

[21:41:26]

zertyui:

i put the server ip username and password and db name

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iamlindoro:

Did you create the mythtv database as described in the manual?

[21:41:44]

zertyui:

not working

[21:41:55]

zertyui:

i m on mac

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iamlindoro:

iamlindoro: Did you create the mythtv database as described in the manual?

[21:42:00]

iamlindoro:

So what?

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zertyui:

i can't folow the tutorial

[21:42:18]

iamlindoro:

What operating system you are running is not relevant when creating the initial database

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NickHu:

http://paste.xinu.at/jesH/ << EPG Still not working -.-

[21:42:30]

iamlindoro:

read the manual, follow the steps to create the initial database

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zertyui:

the db should be in localhost ?

[21:43:23]

zertyui:

it should be a problem if it is an remote one ?

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iamlindoro:

The database can be wherever you would like to put it

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zertyui:

so why it don't work ?

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iamlindoro:

because you haven't read the manual and created the initial database

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zertyui:

on the remote server i create db

[21:44:52]

zertyui:

when i open mythsetup

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iamlindoro:

You didn't create the database *as described in the manual*

[21:45:25]

zertyui:

if i put the db ip adress db username and password

[21:45:37]

zertyui:

yes because i used to work with phpmyadmin

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iamlindoro:

It doesn't work because you're not following instructions

[21:45:53]

iamlindoro:

We can't help you if we can't convince you to read the instructions

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NickHu:

iamlindoro: Freesat EPG is broken, seems like there's a bug in the myth tracker

[21:46:47]

iamlindoro:

Freesat EPG works fine

[21:46:48]

NickHu:

XMLTV is the way to go?

[21:46:56]

iamlindoro:

We have multiple developers using it right now

[21:47:03]

iamlindoro:

and hundreds upon hundreds of users

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NickHu:

Apparently only if you had it before it broke

[21:47:16]

iamlindoro:

What ticket are you referring to?

[21:47:31]

NickHu:

http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/7701

[21:47:58]

iamlindoro:

That's not relevant to Freesat

[21:49:10]

iamlindoro:

That bug pertains to the manual entry of transponders or import of a channels.conf. You scanned using the internal scanner, and thus are not affected.

[21:49:16]

NickHu:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/commits/430166 << I mean that one

[21:49:23]

NickHu:

Which is a "dupe"

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iamlindoro:

Correct, that user imported a channels.conf too

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James2^2:

quick question: does mythtv (mythvideo) have a playlist facility for videos, eg for a party to continuously play from a large set of music videos?

[21:49:45]

iamlindoro:

You used the scanner, thus are unaffected

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NickHu:

If I'm unaffected why is the EPG broken-as?

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iamlindoro:

Because you misconfigured something

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NickHu:

Such as..?

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iamlindoro:

You've failed to turn on passive EIT scan, or haven't allowed it to be idle long enough to start gathering EIT data, etc.

[21:51:09]

NickHu:

Okay, if I change that now

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iamlindoro:

Even when you have all the EIT settings correct, you still need to leave it alone long enough to parse through all the transponders and gather data, which can take many hours

[21:51:20]

NickHu:

I don't need to fill any databases etc?

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iamlindoro:

no

[21:51:38]

iamlindoro:

mythfilldatabase is only relecant to an XML guide data source

[21:51:40]

iamlindoro:

relevant

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NickHu:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/UK_Channel_Assignments << How would I use that script?

[21:53:17]

iamlindoro:

Couldn't tell you, that's not a supported approach... you'd need to contact the scripts author for support

[21:53:52]

iamlindoro:

but presumably you'd just cut and paste the appropriate text into a mysql prompt

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NickHu:

I know little to nothing about using mysql

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NickHu:

Worked it out

[21:58:54]

NickHu:

So, this EPG thing *should* sort itself out?

[21:59:44]

NickHu:

HEY, IT DID! :D

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wagnerrp:

James2^2: no, mythvideo does not support playlists at the current time

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wagnerrp:

however you can have it play all content in a directory

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James2^2:

WOLsqlReconnectWaitTime

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James2^2:

can i use that with some kind of hack to make a combined frontend/backend give the backend an extra few seconds to load before the frontend connects

[23:14:38]

James2^2:

atm each reboot i get "couldnt connect to master backend" because i think its loading too fast

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James2^2:

click ok and the error never happens again, live tv works immediately etc

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James2^2:

would just be nice to get rid of that initial 'ok' :P

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kormoc:

James2^2, just add a sleep to your startup script?

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James2^2:

im new to ubuntu, which script actually starts the frontend?

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kormoc:

I don't use ubuntu, so no idea

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James2^2:

tbh i should ask this in #ubuntu-mythtv :P

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sphery:

heh, watching my episodes of House, and got to one whose description is, "A mounted fish moves, household objects levitate, and monsters haunt a troubled novelist (William Katt)."

[23:23:35]

sphery:

seems there's a movie with the title House, too

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sphery:

s/a/a bunch/

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sphery:

yay, another, "This e-mail is to let you all know that MythTV sucks and I'm not going to use it."

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AndyCap:

what's the imagined vacuum this time?

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sphery:

that is, after all, the FOSS spirit--if something doesn't work the way you want it to, write an e-mail to the project's mailing list to shame the developers into working on it

[23:44:55]

sphery:

too hard to set up

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stuartm:

well it is

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sphery:

mind you, this guy almost definitely didn't "do it right"--i.e. probably compiled and tried to configure the underlying system and mythtv all by himself

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sphery:

rather than taking advantage of the thousands of hours that packagers have put into creating something like mythbuntu

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sphery:

because the user says, "I've run Linux since Redhat 5.2, so that side didn't daunt me."--so, obviously is an expert and doesn't need to use a packaged distribution

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