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| [00:35:03] | DeviceZer0: | hello all. is there a way to make a custom rule thats along the lines of "record at any time on any channel except <channel>" ? |
| [00:35:33] | DeviceZer0: | the show american dad airs new episodes in hd on fox...but also airs the new episodes on cartoon network(which is not hd). |
| [00:36:04] | wagnerrp: | so your previous recording matching should manage it |
| [00:37:07] | DeviceZer0: | well mythtv is wanting to record the one on cartoon network because it did not record the new ep on fox. |
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| [00:39:48] | sphery: | DeviceZer0: use the "Exclude one station" example clause, in the frontend custom rule editor |
| [00:40:08] | DeviceZer0: | ah. i am using mythweb...didnt see one there. |
| [00:41:43] | DeviceZer0: | ah perfect. thanks sphery :) |
| [00:41:52] | DeviceZer0: | channel.callsign != 'STATION' seems to be what i need |
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| [00:43:02] | hoolio: | http://www.itslenny.com/ |
| [00:43:08] | hoolio: | getting rid of telemarketers; forward them to lenny |
| [00:43:12] | hoolio: | priceless :) |
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| [00:47:58] | clever: | DeviceZer0: there should be an option in the rule to only record hd |
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| [00:49:01] | DeviceZer0: | clever, not on 0.23. only way ive been able to is to make a custom rule that will record ONLY hd showings of a show...or to make a custom priorities rules that bumps down priority for non hd shows. |
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| [01:41:23] | dserban: | q: can I setup a dumb cluster of backends, for the sole purpose of commflagging? or do I need an input/encoder as well? |
| [01:42:38] | wagnerrp: | no and no |
| [01:42:38] | wagnerrp: | you can set up a cluster of machines running mythjobqueue |
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| [01:42:38] | wagnerrp: | however you would be better off just purchasing a nice new i7 or X6 |
| [01:42:38] | wagnerrp: | rather than spend all the electricity to run a bunch of old P4s and Ath XPs |
| [01:45:59] | dserban: | Yeah, figured. |
| [01:46:55] | dserban: | They're dual core amd64's, the one backend running mysql, 4 tuners and 14 drives is IO bound, so I'm trying to split the load. Can't even happily arrow up/down on the front ends due to IO lag on the BE. |
| [01:47:43] | wagnerrp: | you dont have your database on the same drives are your recordings do you? |
| [01:48:06] | dserban: | Nope, raid1 boot parition which is db/os. |
| [01:48:26] | wagnerrp: | compiling stuff on the OS drive? using copious swap? |
| [01:49:27] | dserban: | Nein, nein. Fully dedicated to BE duties, slow as eff. It's PCI bound, the 4 tuners, two pci sata cards, network on the pci and pci-e bus, uhh I'm sure I'm forgetting something somewhere. :) |
| [01:50:12] | dserban: | I'll turn it into a recording only box, with recordings stored over nfs... just figured I can stack 2–4 slim boxes to commflag, and one to serve the DB. |
| [01:51:59] | dserban: | And.. doesn't help that I have 5 custom recording rules plus over 120 title recording rules... heh |
| [01:52:08] | dserban: | so the db is ... slllooowww. |
| [01:52:17] | dserban: | I've mysqltuner.pl' |
| [01:52:20] | dserban: | d it already |
| [02:00:55] | wagnerrp: | dserban: you know any php? |
| [02:03:01] | wagnerrp: | or kormoc, youre not marked as afk... any insight on this? http://pastebin.com/sZ7nrGCa |
| [02:04:23] | wagnerrp: | somehow, that line that adds the brackets is chopping off most of the address |
| [02:06:14] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: nevermind, seems '+' does something other than concatenation |
| [02:11:41] | sphery: | wagnerrp: think you want . instead of + |
| [02:11:43] | kormoc: | holy crap! That should be . rather then + |
| [02:11:53] | kormoc: | wow... wonder what I was smoking and why I didn't share |
| [02:11:55] | wagnerrp: | yeah, but theres more problems beyond that |
| [02:12:29] | wagnerrp: | on second thought, my web server doesnt do ipv6 currently |
| [02:12:34] | wagnerrp: | maybe thats my problem |
| [02:13:38] | kormoc: | nah, the + is a problem. We're casting it to a number... |
| [02:14:01] | wagnerrp: | yeah, but i also dont have an ipv6 address to connect to my master backend with |
| [02:14:09] | wagnerrp: | which may be why its still not working after fixing that |
| [02:19:39] | wagnerrp: | yeah, that was it... working now |
| [02:27:34] | Beirdo: | yay |
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| [02:35:09] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: your git updates are really killing your buildbot |
| [02:37:38] | wagnerrp: | speaking of which, i need to restart it to refresh the bot information |
| [02:37:56] | Beirdo: | huh? |
| [02:38:21] | Beirdo: | oh, you mean it's slow doing a pull? |
| [02:38:34] | Beirdo: | likely because two of em are doing it :) |
| [02:43:29] | wagnerrp: | two of em? |
| [02:43:29] | Beirdo: | the PPC one is using the same internet link |
| [02:43:29] | Beirdo: | and the 32 bit one seems to be taking a vacation. Argh, not again |
| [02:43:29] | Beirdo: | I'll smack it in a bit |
| [02:43:29] | wagnerrp: | no, my update took 15 seconds, your ppc's update took 25 seconds |
| [02:43:29] | wagnerrp: | your i7 took just under two minutes |
| [02:43:29] | wagnerrp: | and the update was a few KB worth of python changes |
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| [02:44:20] | Beirdo: | ?!? |
| [02:44:41] | Beirdo: | well, this is swell |
| [02:44:51] | Beirdo: | Musicbrainz doesn't have this LP? |
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| [02:55:43] | wagnerrp: | sphery: im taking a new tactic against all these v4l1 threads |
| [02:55:48] | wagnerrp: | (see mailing list) |
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| [02:56:56] | wagnerrp: | perhaps if we just start flooding them with links, in easy search distance, to people having the same exact problem |
| [02:57:14] | wagnerrp: | someone will eventually take note |
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| [03:03:43] | sphery: | wagnerrp: heh, that's a nice list o' links |
| [03:04:10] | wagnerrp: | from now on, just add the previous thread to the list, and paste |
| [03:04:28] | Beirdo: | it's in there now. (just entered the double LP album into musicbrainz) |
| [03:04:53] | wagnerrp: | oh wait, their database is down for repairs, and rejected the update |
| [03:05:16] | Beirdo: | no, it's back up "new and improved" :) |
| [03:05:34] | Beirdo: | anyways, time to go play with HDPVR killer boards :) |
| [03:05:36] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [03:05:50] | Beirdo: | hopefully I can ship the preorders tomorrow |
| [03:06:10] | sphery: | "Then, it's the premiere of the best new show of the season, The Chicago Code." |
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| [03:06:22] | sphery: | how can they say that? |
| [03:06:46] | sphery: | a) it got cancelled for lack of viewers, so it must not have been true |
| [03:07:11] | sphery: | and b) even if it were true, from what source would they find out? |
| [03:07:20] | wagnerrp: | the EU has drafted a resolution banning mobile phones, dect phones, wifi, and other wlan systems from classrooms to protect children |
| [03:07:40] | wagnerrp: | as a 'precautionary principle' with no evidence to support their claims |
| [03:07:40] | sphery: | because of radiation or because they're not paying attention/not learning |
| [03:07:58] | wagnerrp: | radiation fears |
| [03:08:02] | sphery: | because the 1st is stupidity, but the 2nd is something that makes sense |
| [03:08:24] | wagnerrp: | i would completely agree with the latter |
| [03:08:30] | wagnerrp: | if i thought that would really work |
| [03:08:42] | sphery: | heh, yeah, there is that niggle |
| [03:08:49] | Beirdo: | blargh. But of course... it's recording. |
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| [03:11:01] | Beirdo: | OK, I have a 30-min play period at 8:30 |
| [03:11:15] | wagnerrp: | the document makes specific mention to catering to people with electro sensitivity |
| [03:11:24] | wagnerrp: | seriously |
| [03:11:39] | wagnerrp: | i want to round up all these people, and test them in a double blind study |
| [03:11:55] | wagnerrp: | have them sit in a room, in a faraday cage |
| [03:12:10] | wagnerrp: | with a single wire coming in to a transmitter and a light |
| [03:12:23] | wagnerrp: | the transmitter and light operate completely independently |
| [03:12:35] | wagnerrp: | see if the people start going nuts when the transmitter is turned on |
| [03:12:39] | wagnerrp: | or when the light is turned on |
| [03:13:30] | wagnerrp: | if but a single person manages to guess the transmitter with any statistical likelihood, ill recant anything ive ever said on the topic |
| [03:14:15] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [03:14:29] | wagnerrp: | if those people are affected by the innocuous light rather than the transmitter, they either get jailed for inciting a public panic, or get sent to a mental institution |
| [03:14:32] | Beirdo: | I assume you mean a low-power transmitter like a cellphone |
| [03:14:43] | wagnerrp: | no |
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| [03:15:13] | wagnerrp: | i mean stick a friggen microwave oven magnetron in the box |
| [03:15:19] | wagnerrp: | crank it up to a kilowatt |
| [03:15:19] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [03:15:35] | Beirdo: | well, now you're just trying to sterilize them all |
| [03:15:43] | wagnerrp: | sterilize... how? |
| [03:15:45] | Beirdo: | I think we can find a happy medium :) |
| [03:15:51] | wagnerrp: | its not ionizing |
| [03:15:59] | Beirdo: | microwaves can sterilize |
| [03:16:16] | Beirdo: | it doesn't need to be ionizing, it cooks water FFS |
| [03:16:20] | wagnerrp: | only if you aim it right at your jewels and denature the little fishies |
| [03:16:24] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [03:16:35] | wagnerrp: | in which case youre only sterile for a couple days |
| [03:16:40] | Beirdo: | which, may not be the worst choice for some of those fear mongers |
| [03:16:53] | wagnerrp: | my uncle knew people who would do that intentionally |
| [03:17:14] | Beirdo: | some people are weird |
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| [03:17:26] | wagnerrp: | air force radar operators |
| [03:17:38] | wagnerrp: | take a stroll through the transmitter booth before a weekend on leave |
| [03:17:48] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [03:18:07] | Beirdo: | the air force temporary vasectomy? |
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| [03:18:17] | wagnerrp: | something like that |
| [03:22:41] | wagnerrp: | hehe... |
| [03:23:07] | wagnerrp: | "are they also going to ban all lighting in the classroom? lights emit electromagnetic radiation at much higher energy and power than the devices they are concerning themselves with." |
| [03:24:33] | wagnerrp: | oh no, if i stand outside during the day, im getting around 30W of EM power pumped straight into my skull |
| [03:27:25] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [03:27:41] | Beirdo: | stop talkin sense :) |
| [03:28:17] | Beirdo: | 3 more minutes, then I can put one of these babies on the HDPVR |
| [03:30:09] | Beirdo: | next rev... I put an LED fed off the HDPVR's power line |
| [03:30:28] | Beirdo: | and one fed off the USB for when we shut off |
| [03:30:38] | Beirdo: | ooh game on |
| [03:30:45] | wagnerrp: | oh wait, there have been studies on these electrosensitive people |
| [03:30:47] | wagnerrp: | tons of them |
| [03:30:50] | wagnerrp: | 46 in fact |
| [03:31:07] | wagnerrp: | on some 1175 electrosensitive volunteers |
| [03:32:11] | wagnerrp: | and in each, there is no conclusive evidence to say that there is any real bioelectromagnetic phenomenon in play |
| [03:32:21] | iamlindoro: | your mom's an electrosensitive volunteer |
| [03:32:25] | wagnerrp: | and that its entirely psychosomatic |
| [03:33:03] | ** wagnerrp learned that word from The Prodigy ** | |
| [03:34:10] | dserban: | attic insane? |
| [03:37:05] | Gumby: | addict |
| [03:39:10] | Beirdo: | WTF? |
| [03:39:25] | Beirdo: | so... the 5V relay... not turning on either. |
| [03:40:01] | Beirdo: | I have 5V – 1.68V across it, and I'm not sure why precisely it's at 1.68V |
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| [03:42:51] | Beirdo: | nope |
| [03:42:57] | Beirdo: | full 5V across it |
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| [03:45:57] | echosyp: | im getting an input/output error on /dev/video1, which is my second hdpvr, but it only happens if they are both plugged in |
| [03:49:33] | echosyp: | and only to one of them |
| [04:01:38] | Beirdo: | ohhh. nooo |
| [04:02:03] | Beirdo: | relay coils... have a + and a -. they are not interchangable |
| [04:02:31] | Beirdo: | if you put it backwards, energizing the coil (which is happening) just pushes the contacts together harder |
| [04:02:42] | Beirdo: | my magnetic field is backwards. |
| [04:03:09] | Beirdo: | I guess I need to make a rev 2.0 |
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| [04:03:39] | Beirdo: | for now, (if I had a solder sucker), I could put the relay on the bottom of the board |
| [04:03:45] | Beirdo: | would look stupid, but meh |
| [04:04:14] | Beirdo: | I get another half-hour play session in half an hour |
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| [04:23:45] | echosyp: | Beirdo: do you know why i get that problem with both hdpvrs plugged in, or how i could correct it |
| [04:24:14] | Beirdo: | nope |
| [04:29:31] | jpabq: | echosyp, check your system logs. There may be a clue there. Also, sounds like you have not setup udev for them yet — you will want to so you know which is which after a reboot. I am off to bed. |
| [04:29:56] | echosyp: | nice, thanks |
| [04:30:50] | jpabq: | Oh, and it may help to try alternate USB ports — try to get them on different "hubs". |
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| [04:55:04] | k-man: | afternoon all |
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| [04:58:27] | Beirdo: | OK, I just rewired one of the relays. Working perfectly |
| [04:58:34] | Beirdo: | so, I'll rewire the rest :) |
| [04:58:37] | Beirdo: | YAY! |
| [04:58:52] | Beirdo: | nice solid click |
| [04:59:41] | k-man: | Beirdo: relays for what? whatcha building? |
| [05:00:37] | Beirdo: | www.hdpvrkillerdevice.com |
| [05:01:10] | wagnerrp: | you registered a domain for it? |
| [05:01:28] | [R]: | killer doesnt sound like the right word |
| [05:01:30] | devinheitmueller: | wow, I don't know if I like *that* name. :-) |
| [05:01:48] | k-man: | Beirdo: nice |
| [05:02:26] | echosyp: | whats in a name |
| [05:02:37] | [R]: | Beirdo: so you ordered just the pcbs and soldered all the components on yourself? |
| [05:02:41] | echosyp: | it'll stick in your mind, thats all thats important |
| [05:02:45] | Beirdo: | devinheitmueller: it's to kill the power |
| [05:02:48] | Beirdo: | not the device ;) |
| [05:02:52] | devinheitmueller: | Yes, I know. |
| [05:03:00] | devinheitmueller: | You could argue the name is a bit misleading though. :-) |
| [05:03:29] | Beirdo: | yeah, I can change it. :) |
| [05:03:32] | echosyp: | im not seeing any problems with udev that i should have to make a rule for this |
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| [05:03:51] | Beirdo: | [R] and yes, I designed the PCB, and put em together |
| [05:04:12] | Beirdo: | right now, I'm fixing an idiotic design flaw... energized the relay backwards |
| [05:04:18] | [R]: | Beirdo: how much was each pcb at a quantity of 47? |
| [05:04:26] | Beirdo: | about $3 |
| [05:04:34] | Beirdo: | and almost $20 in parts |
| [05:04:35] | [R]: | seems decent i guess |
| [05:04:38] | Beirdo: | relays ain't cheap |
| [05:04:50] | [R]: | were you abel to return the wrong ones? |
| [05:04:54] | Beirdo: | heh, no |
| [05:04:59] | [R]: | oh well, spare parts |
| [05:05:02] | Beirdo: | didn't try, I'll keep em for later |
| [05:05:08] | [R]: | my dads got tons of shit lying all around his house |
| [05:05:16] | [R]: | he happened to have a 5v relay for my hdpvr poweroff solutino |
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| [05:06:32] | Beirdo: | as long as the relay contacts can carry the current |
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| [05:07:43] | Beirdo: | my poor exacto knife |
| [05:07:56] | Beirdo: | gonna need a new blade after this |
| [05:08:28] | k-man: | Beirdo: so its USB? |
| [05:08:35] | Beirdo: | yes |
| [05:08:40] | Beirdo: | using a FT232R |
| [05:08:47] | k-man: | cool |
| [05:08:48] | Beirdo: | usign the GPIOs |
| [05:08:58] | k-man: | is it easy to write software for it? |
| [05:08:59] | [R]: | thats such a smart idea that they did that |
| [05:09:06] | k-man: | i mean, to get linux to talk to it |
| [05:09:21] | k-man: | [R]: did what? |
| [05:09:29] | [R]: | k-man: allow you to do gpio wit hthe FT232 |
| [05:09:40] | k-man: | oh i see |
| [05:09:57] | Beirdo: | yeah the software was easy enough |
| [05:09:59] | k-man: | oh.. right – I just realised what you mean |
| [05:10:02] | Beirdo: | using libftdi |
| [05:13:06] | Beirdo: | ok, got the traces cut on those 5. Now to solder on replacement wires :) |
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| [05:28:52] | echosyp: | http://pastebin.ca/2069292 , http://pastebin.ca/2069290 , http://pastebin.ca/2069291 |
| [05:30:24] | wagnerrp: | and trogod continues his blogging |
| [05:34:23] | Beirdo: | OK, there's all 5 done |
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| [05:35:11] | Beirdo: | just need to check that they all work, then they go out the door tomorrow for those who have been patiently waiting |
| [05:36:46] | duron23 (duron23!~duron23@59.164.96.246) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [05:36:53] | duron23: | hi all |
| [05:37:00] | lapion (lapion!~axion@axion.xs4all.nl) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [05:37:14] | duron23: | I am not able to play mythtv .nuv files in xbmc |
| [05:37:22] | lapion: | is it possible to downgrade a database.. ? |
| [05:37:25] | duron23: | they play but very choppy |
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| [05:38:08] | duron23: | lapion, what the for me ? |
| [05:38:12] | lapion: | duron23, do you play the files over a network ? |
| [05:38:22] | duron23: | no, on the same machine |
| [05:38:49] | lapion: | is the media an external drive ? |
| [05:38:55] | duron23: | and also my mythtv front end does not play live tv |
| [05:39:01] | duron23: | its internal drive |
| [05:39:16] | lapion: | get a better processor.. |
| [05:39:24] | duron23: | but the frontend plays recoded tv well |
| [05:39:28] | lapion: | or maybe a faster hdd |
| [05:39:42] | duron23: | I have dual core 2.9ghz |
| [05:39:48] | lapion: | yeah but when watching tv mythtv is recording at the same time. |
| [05:40:00] | lapion: | try playing while a show is being recorded |
| [05:40:14] | duron23: | the plays well |
| [05:40:32] | duron23: | if I schedule a recording and try to play live tv |
| [05:41:06] | duron23: | it prompts me of the recording being done, and if select that recording, it starts playback |
| [05:41:42] | lapion: | you said you had choppy video when watching live tv. |
| [05:41:55] | duron23: | that on xbmc |
| [05:42:08] | lapion: | why use xbmc. |
| [05:42:26] | duron23: | because mythtv frontend not playing livetv |
| [05:42:37] | duron23: | xbmc does but playback is choppy |
| [05:42:58] | duron23: | and xbmc playback is choppy even for recorded content |
| [05:43:21] | lapion: | stop with this nonsense find out why it won't play live tv by reading the log files |
| [05:44:02] | duron23: | what nonsense ? |
| [05:44:16] | kormoc: | duron23, nuv formatted files are unsupported in XBMC. They'll always be played back incorrectly |
| [05:44:17] | lapion: | I have a pentium 4 and it plays live tv ( 2 streams at the same time just fine |
| [05:44:43] | duron23: | I tail the log everytime I start mythtv to check whats wrong |
| [05:45:18] | duron23: | don't tell me basic things and don't give "nonsense" kind of thngs |
| [05:45:47] | lapion: | if you don't get any usefull information start the backend with the correct logginf options, but firts tail bot the front- and the back-end logfiles |
| [05:45:48] | duron23: | I do appreciate you intent to help me |
| [05:46:14] | duron23: | I have been doing that |
| [05:46:48] | duron23: | and yeah one more weird issue |
| [05:47:01] | duron23: | if I switch to 0.24 playback works |
| [05:47:14] | duron23: | but scaning does not work |
| [05:47:40] | duron23: | but if I switch to 0.23, scanning works but playback doesn't |
| [05:48:14] | lapion: | whenever you go to .24 your database is converted and .23 cannot do anything with your database anymore.. |
| [05:49:31] | k-man: | Beirdo: so is it the sort of hang you could automatically detect and then restart the hdpvr? |
| [05:49:38] | duron23: | I have backups, I restore them when I switch between versions |
| [05:50:56] | Beirdo: | k-man: I detect by 0 byte files |
| [05:51:21] | Beirdo: | as when I get one, I get many in a row |
| [05:51:53] | Beirdo: | so if it wants to misbehave, I will be shutting it off... triggered from the start of the recording |
| [05:52:39] | lapion: | duron di you start the front/backend with higher loggin settings ? |
| [05:52:55] | duron23: | mean ? |
| [05:53:09] | duron23: | using sudo ? |
| [05:53:26] | duron23: | lapion, using root ? |
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| [05:55:30] | lapion: | duron run the backend manually with --help and find out what the options for logging are |
| [05:58:10] | echosyp: | http://pastebin.ca/2069292 , http://pastebin.ca/2069290 , http://pastebin.ca/2069291 |
| [05:58:19] | duron23: | lapion, ok, trying |
| [05:58:46] | echosyp: | anyone know why one of my hdpvrs doesn't work so long as the other is plugged in |
| [06:08:07] | duron23: | lapion, just had a play back in myth frontend |
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| [06:08:22] | [R]: | echosyp: aside from the fact usb sucks |
| [06:08:23] | duron23: | but its intermediate |
| [06:08:23] | [R]: | ? |
| [06:09:01] | lapion: | duron what kind of cards o you have ? analog or digital ? |
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| [06:19:48] | duron23: | lapion, sorry mate, had went for breakfast |
| [06:19:58] | duron23: | lapion, I have a analog card |
| [06:20:09] | duron23: | rileyp, hey mate |
| [06:20:40] | duron23: | remember me, few day back i have issue with mythtv, and went offline saying I will switch to maverick and see |
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| [06:31:24] | rileyp: | hi |
| [06:31:45] | rileyp: | lol yep |
| [06:32:01] | rileyp: | no solution there and you mean lcuid |
| [06:32:12] | rileyp: | correct? |
| [06:32:25] | rileyp: | did you try lucid |
| [06:32:50] | rileyp: | duron23 did you try lucid |
| [06:33:33] | duron23: | yeah, sorry I said lucid right, lucid has some issue with my graphics card |
| [06:33:58] | justinh: | man, all this changing distro versions cos something doesn't work. heheheheheh |
| [06:34:01] | duron23: | that famous nouveau driver issue with nvidia cards |
| [06:34:14] | justinh: | so use the propriatary driver then |
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| [06:34:25] | duron23: | so had to switch to maverick |
| [06:34:49] | echosyp: | i did that only to find that my problem was fixed quickly and it was all unnecessary |
| [06:34:58] | duron23: | justinh, I can, but didn't had that much patient to sit down and troubleshoot |
| [06:35:35] | justinh: | much patience? updating a distro isn't usually a breeze |
| [06:35:45] | Beirdo: | testing complete |
| [06:35:51] | Beirdo: | hey justinh .... |
| [06:35:52] | echosyp: | results? |
| [06:36:02] | duron23: | rileyp, I think the issue was as I said then, was with the kernel version, 2.6.38 which remove support for v4l devices completely |
| [06:36:11] | Beirdo: | I put the energizing of the relays backwards :( |
| [06:36:26] | Beirdo: | ie. 5V to the -, GND to the + |
| [06:36:35] | justinh: | oops |
| [06:36:46] | duron23: | and maverick uses 2.6.35 which still has support for v4l |
| [06:36:56] | Beirdo: | so, they wouldn't turn on... cut the traces, rewired (and with 5V relays), work perfectly. YAY |
| [06:36:58] | justinh: | Beirdo: take heart. our pcb layout guys make sillier mistakes all the tune |
| [06:37:01] | Beirdo: | nice CLICK |
| [06:37:12] | justinh: | tune? *time* |
| [06:37:15] | Beirdo: | I wasn't paying enough attention when it said "BOTTOM VIEW" |
| [06:37:25] | rileyp: | duron23, so its fixed? |
| [06:37:31] | duron23: | rileyp, now I can atleast record the tv |
| [06:37:41] | duron23: | rileyp, but can't play live tv |
| [06:37:54] | lapion: | duron23, I am still on lucid, natty has new kernel that doesn't support v4l, and the ubuntu repo mythtv doesn't work witht the new kernel for analog cards ( especially saa7134 cards) |
| [06:37:59] | justinh: | but.. changing distro cos you need a different kernel too? oh man, what has ubuntu turned people into? |
| [06:37:59] | Beirdo: | so one's plugged into my HDPVR, 5 others have been tested with it... and will be shipped out tomorrow |
| [06:38:01] | duron23: | rileyp, live tv playback is somewhat intermediate |
| [06:38:15] | rileyp: | duron23 well then its not a mythtv problem is it its a kernel problem |
| [06:38:24] | justinh: | linux isn't ready for dumbing down yet |
| [06:38:25] | lapion: | duron23, what device do you use for audio output ? |
| [06:38:36] | Beirdo: | with nice blue wirewrap wire soldered on the bottom :) |
| [06:38:47] | duron23: | lapion, yeah, that the issue I was earlier facing, and I have saa7134 (pinnacle analog pci pro ) |
| [06:38:59] | justinh: | Beirdo: but of course ;-) mind, red wire works better :-D |
| [06:39:05] | rileyp: | duron23 are recordings playing back perfectly |
| [06:39:07] | Beirdo: | I might give em a coat of 3M red insulating spray |
| [06:39:26] | Beirdo: | but that's a thought for tomorrow |
| [06:39:31] | duron23: | rileyp, yeah that's the reason I switched back to maverick, and yeah recordings are playing perfectly |
| [06:39:39] | Beirdo: | hehe, I like blue, dunno why |
| [06:39:42] | duron23: | lapion, ALSA:default |
| [06:39:43] | justinh: | Beirdo: bearing in mind people keep their hardware in silly places that might be a good idea |
| [06:39:46] | lapion: | duron23, select output device for as: alsa:pulse |
| [06:39:57] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [06:39:58] | duron23: | where in backend ? |
| [06:40:01] | rileyp: | have a look at your frontend log to make sure that is the case with no time out errors |
| [06:40:02] | lapion: | frontend |
| [06:40:02] | Beirdo: | that's what I was thinking |
| [06:40:10] | Beirdo: | I have the spray |
| [06:40:17] | Beirdo: | just don't wanna do it tonight |
| [06:40:23] | justinh: | Beirdo: and for units going to PR :-P |
| [06:40:30] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [06:40:34] | Beirdo: | or FL |
| [06:40:37] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [06:40:42] | duron23: | lapion, ok |
| [06:40:45] | lapion: | duron23, backend the input device should be set to 32000 hz alsa:hw:0.1 no volume control |
| [06:41:07] | justinh: | honestly though, people changing distro to get a different kernel? eugh |
| [06:41:18] | Beirdo: | makes no sense to me |
| [06:41:25] | rileyp: | thats 48000 khz not 32 ??? |
| [06:41:39] | duron23: | justinh, yeah why not, you get support for newer devices |
| [06:41:54] | justinh: | duron23: but it's so easy to build a kernel yourself |
| [06:41:55] | lapion: | saa7134 has a weird output .. |
| [06:41:59] | duron23: | lapion, will try that |
| [06:42:13] | rileyp: | justinh everyone wajts latest and not so greatest without reading relase nots and then complain it dont work... |
| [06:42:14] | justinh: | duron23: and you can learn new things, be more of a master at linuxy stuff |
| [06:42:36] | duron23: | justinh, easy but the time it takes to compile, wht about that ? |
| [06:42:40] | justinh: | I just fear that ubuntu is turning people into dumb users |
| [06:42:51] | justinh: | duron23: on a modern system, not a big concern at all |
| [06:42:52] | lapion: | duron23, using pulseaudio gave me clicking audio |
| [06:43:11] | lapion: | justinh, you are so right.. |
| [06:43:14] | duron23: | lapion, hmm |
| [06:43:33] | lapion: | duron23, using alsa:pulse worked fine |
| [06:43:50] | lapion: | duron23, correction "works fine" |
| [06:44:18] | justinh: | I'd also argue that some of ubuntu's release version decisions are questionable. I mean, shipping pulseaudio in such a raw state, then being in a hurry to include a kernel where v4l was deprecated |
| [06:44:25] | lapion: | duron23, that's for the frontend |
| [06:45:17] | lapion: | well justinh kernel does support v4l2, only mythtv leans to heavy on v4l.. |
| [06:45:35] | duron23: | lapion, I tried specifying audio device that way (alsa:hw:0.1) yesterday, but everytime I got device busy error |
| [06:45:48] | duron23: | lapion, will try again and see |
| [06:45:53] | justinh: | sigh. this new product manager hasn't got a frickin clue |
| [06:46:27] | duron23: | lapion, hey it should be alsa:hw:0,1 or alsa:hw:0.1 ? |
| [06:46:41] | duron23: | lapion, common or dot after 0 ? |
| [06:46:51] | justinh: | we have this camera – well a bunch of cameras actually, with heavily screened cables that are expensive. he's after reducing the cost by using UTP cable. without also submitting the stuff to EMC testing again |
| [06:47:29] | justinh: | his idea of a test is to get a very long length of cable, lay it next to some power cables & see if the video looks ok still |
| [06:47:49] | justinh: | _moron_ ! |
| [06:48:05] | echosyp: | never outshine the master |
| [06:48:10] | Beirdo: | ummmm |
| [06:48:21] | Beirdo: | justinh: you wanna borrow a trout? ;) |
| [06:48:38] | justinh: | wanna borrow a plastic bag, some zip ties & duct tape |
| [06:48:41] | echosyp: | i still can't figure out this i/o error |
| [06:48:58] | justinh: | oh and a car you wouldn't want back.. and drive him to a quarry |
| [06:49:33] | Beirdo: | and a brick for the accelerator |
| [06:49:37] | lapion: | duron23, when faced with typo's try to correct.. |
| [06:50:12] | duron23: | lapion, no yesterday I try that |
| [06:50:15] | echosyp: | what would cause a the second tuner not to initialize properly? |
| [06:50:31] | justinh: | er.. look in dmesg? |
| [06:50:38] | duron23: | lapion, so though I was typing it wrong, and it shoulb dot not comma |
| [06:50:50] | duron23: | lapion, as said same error AudioIn Error: unknown or unsupported audio input device 'alsa:hw:3.0' |
| [06:51:01] | echosyp: | dmesg: no valid video signal or device init failed |
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| [06:51:18] | echosyp: | and its not the former |
| [06:51:25] | justinh: | echosyp: all the dmesg? |
| [06:51:32] | justinh: | not just the punchline |
| [06:51:35] | lapion: | duron23, it's acutally ALSA:hw:1,0 |
| [06:51:39] | echosyp: | http://pastebin.ca/2069292 , http://pastebin.ca/2069290 , http://pastebin.ca/2069291 |
| [06:51:51] | echosyp: | its the last one i believe |
| [06:51:57] | duron23: | lapion, but my tvtuner is hw3,0 |
| [06:52:09] | justinh: | echosyp: anyway this is more one for #linuxtv believe it or not |
| [06:52:09] | lapion: | but first find out what the device number is for you saa |
| [06:52:19] | duron23: | lapion, it should be tvtuner or the sound card ? |
| [06:52:31] | echosyp: | cool, i'll see what they know |
| [06:52:39] | lapion: | you have a pci, of a pcmcia card ? |
| [06:52:52] | justinh: | and yes I know that it's not always the quickest at getting an answer but that's the proper channel :-) |
| [06:53:04] | duron23: | lapion, pci |
| [06:53:38] | lapion: | duron23, I believe most pci-cards use an external cable to loop the audio |
| [06:53:58] | lapion: | duron23, most saa7134 based cards that is.. |
| [06:54:36] | duron23: | but from kernel 2.6 we can loop back audio with the external connector |
| [06:55:18] | justinh: | ugh radeon :-\ |
| [06:55:27] | justinh: | lapion: analogue tuners, yes |
| [06:55:37] | justinh: | and some saa7134 can do onboard audio capture |
| [06:55:56] | justinh: | we do not recommend any of that type of analogue tuners for use in mythtv |
| [06:56:10] | duron23: | I am getting this frequent msg utoExpire: CalcParams(): Max required Free Space: 1.0 GB w/freq: 15 min |
| [06:56:33] | duron23: | AutoExpire: CalcParams(): Max required Free Space: 1.0 GB w/freq: 15 min |
| [06:56:38] | duron23: | are those msg ok ? |
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| [06:57:34] | justinh: | echosyp: hdpvr 1–6:1.0: device now attached to video1 ... and nothing about loading/initialising the firmware? hmmm outta my league now |
| [06:58:17] | rileyp: | duron23 pastebin a frontend log of watching rec tv and then live tv say 10 seconds of each and run myth from a terminal mythfrontend -v playback and pastebin the output |
| [06:58:20] | justinh: | pretty sure I remember seeing something somewhere about fettling config files to enable more than one hdpvr |
| [06:58:33] | lapion: | justinh, well have a pcmcia card that works just fine, uses internal looping however the 32000 hz problem does delay audio a bit.... but that's allways correctable |
| [06:58:34] | Beirdo: | OK, now my HDPVR will be power cycled if I get a 0 byte file |
| [06:58:55] | duron23: | rileyp, ok |
| [06:59:05] | justinh: | just put the framegrabber in the bin :-D |
| [06:59:12] | justinh: | get a proper capture card |
| [06:59:20] | justinh: | seriously |
| [06:59:35] | Scopeuk-AFK is now known as Scopeuk | |
| [07:00:17] | justinh: | people try to save money buy using cheap *crap* framegrabber cards but actually end up paying more in time & hassle |
| [07:01:08] | k-man: | justinh: i agree – i wasted so much time and money fiddling with these cheap usb DVB-T tuners that always were crap |
| [07:01:21] | k-man: | then i got an HDHR and never had a problem since |
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| [07:02:13] | justinh: | the disadvantages of using framegrabbers are numerous, not least of which they generally don't have onboard audio recording meaning you need a soundcard *per* *tuner* – kind of makes setup more difficult and limits you to a much smaller number of tuners |
| [07:02:38] | lapion: | I am using an older laptop as a myth-machine. Which keeps my electricity bill low... |
| [07:02:44] | justinh: | sigh |
| [07:03:07] | justinh: | was it all worth it – for what – like $20 per year? |
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| [07:03:50] | lapion: | justinh, the pcmcia card does audio, albeit at 32000 hz, just find.. |
| [07:04:36] | justinh: | why do people think "uhhhh, linux! I can use the cheapest, crappest hardware I have lying around" ? |
| [07:05:10] | lapion: | the year I switched to latop I got back E 500 ( 33 % ) |
| [07:06:02] | justinh: | I used to leave a desktop machine on 24/7. when I stopped doing that I must have saved all of £10 in one year |
| [07:06:16] | duron23: | rileyp, what should be the delevel ? |
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| [07:08:33] | justinh: | over here we pay like £0.12 per kW/h, so even leaving a 100W machine on 24/7 would cost around £105 a year. If the new hardware costs more than that, you ain't gonna save *any* money |
| [07:08:44] | Beirdo: | I keep like 5 computers on 24/7 |
| [07:08:57] | Beirdo: | it costs neglible amounts |
| [07:09:29] | justinh: | people say "muh, I wanna switch to a new $500 system to save money on electricity" aren't thinking straight :D |
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| [07:11:17] | justinh: | just thought of something. instead of asking me to cut the connector off this cable & reuse it, he should have just left the thinking to me & I'd have stripped all the cable back & got rid of the shielding. What a **** |
| [07:11:56] | zand_ is now known as xand | |
| [07:12:44] | justinh: | then there's the small matter of the yellow/green wire in this big fat cable. the camera domes are metal, and they're often installed outside on very high poles. What might a thick green/yellow wire be used for hmm? I wonder... |
| [07:12:59] | justinh: | oh yes, I KNOW... protective earthing! |
| [07:13:02] | lapion: | justdave, all systems I have checked user 33% more electricity then the psu was rated for, remember a desktop needs a display as well |
| [07:13:23] | justinh: | lapion: would you leave a display on 24/7? |
| [07:13:40] | echosyp: | jesus just told me to reboot my computer, i'll be right back |
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| [07:13:46] | justinh: | hell just going round my house unplugging all the wall warts I wasn't using I save more money |
| [07:14:46] | justinh: | and those 'money saving' RF remote switches? 2 or 3 watts quiescent, whether the appliance was on or off. waste of money |
| [07:15:06] | justinh: | ok, cheaper than leaving the appliance on all the time but hardly ideal |
| [07:15:24] | justinh: | as for PSU numbers.. it pays to spend a little more on a better, more efficient PSU |
| [07:16:19] | clever: | it helps to buy a kill-a-watt device and measure what its actualy using |
| [07:16:24] | justinh: | and all those people using old systems as routers etc... I think I'd rather have a dedicated little box drawing maybe 5 watts than a very old machine |
| [07:16:50] | justinh: | those kill-a-watt branded efforts can cost more money than you end up saving in a year :P |
| [07:16:57] | clever: | ive checked, and the fridge is actualy drawing more (averaged over time) then nearly every other tower i have |
| [07:17:04] | Beirdo: | there is something to be said for reusing that crappy box in the corner |
| [07:17:15] | clever: | i only got one off ebay, not going to put on on every socket in the house:P |
| [07:17:32] | justinh: | clever: which is why you go around & do every device in turn |
| [07:17:38] | clever: | yep |
| [07:17:56] | justinh: | hell we've got a DAB radio in our bedroom with a wall wart which always draws 19W whether the radio is on or not! |
| [07:17:57] | clever: | it takes a while, but its better then spending a ton for a heap of meters i wont need in a week |
| [07:18:15] | clever: | does 80 watts for a desktop at idle seem like alot? |
| [07:18:25] | justinh: | not really |
| [07:18:37] | rileyp: | <duron23>rileyp, what should be the delevel ? I said run mythfrontend -v playback |
| [07:18:43] | justinh: | it's not a lot lot (lot), but older systems were pretty inefficient |
| [07:19:09] | duron23: | rileyp, ooh, sorry, I overlooked I guess |
| [07:19:22] | duron23: | rileyp, I run with -v all |
| [07:19:29] | justinh: | delevel? you got that from that? oh boy |
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| [07:19:41] | duron23: | rileyp, will do it again |
| [07:19:54] | justinh: | we try to help here, but it's difficult when English isn't you guys' first language |
| [07:20:00] | duron23: | justdave, I piped the output to a text file ;) |
| [07:20:01] | Beirdo: | duron23: weren't you complaining that it can't keep up? |
| [07:20:27] | Beirdo: | don't do -v all unless you NEED to for debugging a bug. Far too much pointless spew |
| [07:20:49] | justinh: | -v playback for playback issues |
| [07:20:52] | duron23: | Beirdo, yeah, even I could not understand anything there |
| [07:20:55] | justinh: | -v audio for audio issues.. |
| [07:20:57] | justinh: | and so on |
| [07:21:06] | duron23: | justinh, thanks |
| [07:21:14] | justinh: | -v help will show you |
| [07:21:46] | justinh: | Beirdo: oh btw last night I was given a cheque :-D |
| [07:21:54] | Beirdo: | yay! |
| [07:22:01] | Beirdo: | go cash it quickly :) |
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| [07:22:20] | justinh: | it's crossed. has to go into my bank account |
| [07:23:00] | justinh: | I'll have a trip into big town tomorrow. I like popping into Warrington |
| [07:28:40] | duron23: | rileyp, here the log while playing the recording http://pastebin.com/RkbskRf5 |
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| [07:30:31] | duron23: | rileyp, here's the one while trying to play livetv http://pastebin.com/YhKf8kjx , which didn't worked this time |
| [07:32:22] | justinh: | what is happening to my beautifull language? sigh |
| [07:35:15] | justinh: | duron23: # |
| [07:35:16] | justinh: | 2011-05–26 12:56:51.265 TV Error: StartRecorder() — timed out waiting for recorder to start |
| [07:35:27] | justinh: | you should be looking in the *backend* log |
| [07:35:59] | duron23: | justinh, but I can record programs |
| [07:36:05] | justinh: | so? |
| [07:36:09] | justinh: | live tv IS a recording |
| [07:36:25] | duron23: | justinh, and also I can xbmc can play livetv, but choppy |
| [07:36:51] | duron23: | justdave, correction and also I xbmc can play livetv, but choppy |
| [07:36:54] | justinh: | ahh wireless ? |
| [07:37:08] | Beirdo: | what video card? |
| [07:37:15] | duron23: | justinh, no both on same same machine |
| [07:37:24] | justinh: | also looks like the wrong playback profile is being used |
| [07:37:35] | duron23: | Beirdo, pinnacle pci tv pro (analog ) |
| [07:37:42] | justinh: | no, what VGA card |
| [07:37:45] | Beirdo: | that's not a video card |
| [07:37:50] | Beirdo: | that's a capture card |
| [07:38:06] | duron23: | ok, nvidia geforce 210 |
| [07:38:22] | duron23: | justinh, playback profile ? |
| [07:38:43] | justinh: | oh, and didn't somebody mention 'nouveau' drivers earlier? |
| [07:38:50] | rileyp: | duron23, Video is 3.59687 frames ahead of audio doubling video frame interval to slow down. lol all sad even recordings |
| [07:39:06] | justinh: | if you're using that crappy driver, STOP |
| [07:39:24] | justinh: | go install the propriatary driver & the problems should go away |
| [07:39:40] | justinh: | and before you go all "muh, but it's not open source" IT WORKS |
| [07:40:07] | duron23: | justinh, those drivers prevent me from installing lucid, so switched to maverick |
| [07:40:08] | justinh: | it works and allows video playback to be smooth and nice, whereas the nouveau driver... not so much |
| [07:40:20] | duron23: | justinh, I have nvidia driver |
| [07:40:30] | justinh: | so are you using the propriatary driver? |
| [07:40:43] | justinh: | I have nvidia driver. Does that mean you are *using* it? |
| [07:40:45] | duron23: | yeah |
| [07:41:07] | justinh: | if you really were I doubt you'd be having these problems |
| [07:41:15] | justinh: | it may be installed, sure |
| [07:41:22] | justinh: | but is X actually _using_ it? |
| [07:41:41] | duron23: | yes, it is |
| [07:41:47] | justinh: | one way to tell is whether or not a system can keep up with playing video. if it can't, it likely isn't |
| [07:41:56] | duron23: | else I would have not able to enable compiz |
| [07:42:10] | justinh: | and that's another thing |
| [07:42:27] | duron23: | ooh, then how to verify that ? |
| [07:42:38] | justinh: | sigh |
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| [07:44:02] | duron23: | rileyp, did you found any thing ? |
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| [07:51:38] | duron23: | rileyp, you there ? |
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| [08:11:29] | Batshua: | I'm getting a mythtranscode error 136 |
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| [08:46:27] | duron23: | getting PulseAudio Error: stream buffer underflow |
| [08:46:36] | duron23: | during live tv playback |
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| [09:12:55] | lapion: | duron23, you fixed the 7134 error |
| [09:13:21] | lapion: | duron23, I resolved the 7134 error |
| [09:13:23] | duron23: | lapion, which 7134 error ? |
| [09:14:24] | lapion: | duron23, I was having problems with audio from the card with 0.24.1, I solved it by simply setting the input device to ALSA:pulse |
| [09:15:04] | duron23: | lapion, that doesn't seem to work for me |
| [09:15:28] | duron23: | lapion, by the way what was the 7134 error ? |
| [09:15:46] | lapion: | well as long as I set the 32000HZ and no volume control, I can set the input to ALSA:pulse |
| [09:16:05] | lapion: | duron23, the output device also works with ALSA:pulse |
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| [09:16:38] | duron23: | lapion, I am getting PulseAudio Error: stream buffer underflow |
| [09:16:42] | duron23: | using that |
| [09:17:40] | duron23: | lapion, its also complains that 32000HZ is not in supported list |
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| [09:21:23] | duron23: | NVP(0): Video is 30 frames ahead of audio now this |
| [09:21:29] | duron23: | NVP(0): Video is 30 frames ahead of audio |
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| [09:24:39] | banksy: | Anyone in here from Sydney, Australia and has sql access to their database? I am trying to find out a networkid value that mythtv populates during a full scan onto the dtv_multiplex table for channel 9 |
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| [09:48:28] | justinh: | Ah! So *that* is what half a lux er.. lux like. lol |
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| [09:53:06] | justinh: | PA doesn't support different sampling rates AFAIK |
| [09:53:21] | justinh: | and it's the last thing I'd want to use for an audio *input* |
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| [09:55:16] | lapion: | duron23: I upgraded to 0.24 through ppa on lucid, after setting in and out-put to ALSA:pulse |
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| [09:55:22] | lapion: | the whole thing worked |
| [09:56:47] | lapion: | duron23: it still complains about the 32000 Hz thingy but it works nonetheless, furthermore the audio is synched again |
| [09:58:58] | lapion: | !legacy |
| [10:02:56] | lapion: | duron23, you still there ? |
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| [10:13:54] | Muzer: | I'm fast running out of days in my EPG – it doesn't seem to be updating properly |
| [10:14:20] | Muzer: | I tried running mythfilldatabase manually, many times, and it's still only got 2 days' worth of programmes (even less on some channels). |
| [10:14:33] | Muzer: | I use just EIT data |
| [10:16:53] | Muzer: | and the EIT is working fine – I've looked at it in my Freeview receivers |
| [10:17:23] | clever: | i dont think mythfilldatabase handles eit at all |
| [10:17:34] | Muzer: | how is EIT handled, then? |
| [10:17:39] | clever: | i believe mythbackend handles that when idle, it was an option in mythtv-setup |
| [10:17:50] | Muzer: | well, it's obviously not doing so :P |
| [10:17:58] | clever: | check the backend logs |
| [10:18:01] | Muzer: | I'll have a look in setup |
| [10:18:02] | Muzer: | that too |
| [10:18:26] | clever: | maybe turn on the eit logs, mythbackend -v eit |
| [10:20:46] | justinh: | mythfilldatabase will not have any effect with eit data |
| [10:20:57] | Muzer: | myth backend log: http://pastebin.com/dLy4XYQP |
| [10:21:15] | Muzer: | no idea how long that's since :P |
| [10:21:38] | Muzer: | but the Freeview EPG is normally an 8-day thing, I think, and it's got 2 days left on it, so that tells you abotu when the last successful update was |
| [10:30:04] | justinh: | maybe it's time to rescan |
| [10:30:47] | justinh: | program not found in PAT... |
| [10:31:44] | justinh: | gah how the hell are you supposed to attach an image to this stupid darn wiki? |
| [10:31:50] | justinh: | (the one at work) |
| [10:38:19] | Muzer: | I've only rescanned recently... ah well, I guess I have a few hours to spare pulling my hair out wondering why it isn't detecting half the channels ;) |
| [10:38:36] | Muzer: | (rescanning's never worked reliably for me) |
| [10:40:46] | Muzer: | it gets a lock, then half the time it times out with only "possible channels" for some stupid reason |
| [10:41:03] | Muzer: | and then it scans the same channel twice quite often so I get a load of duplicates |
| [10:41:06] | Muzer: | it just makes no sense generally :P |
| [10:44:23] | Muzer: | oh, wow, it worked first time that time |
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| [10:54:49] | exelnet_: | heya. What should I choose for the previously-shown field in the xmltv.xml? The problem is, my provider sometimes only provides the day e.g 20110626 but not a whole timestamp. When parsing my xml mythtv complains over an unknown timestamp format. But what should I chose? adding 0000 for minutes and seconds would be ambigous. |
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| [11:02:35] | justinh: | what does the xmltv dtd say? |
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| [11:09:39] | Muzer: | yeah, EPG population seems to be working fine now |
| [11:09:41] | Muzer: | thanks a lot |
| [11:10:51] | justinh: | np :) |
| [11:11:15] | justinh: | what's wrong with using uk_rt btw? much better descriptions, star ratings... 14 days |
| [11:12:26] | exelnet_: | justinh: do whatever you please. :=) Similarly you can omit the 'start' attribute if you don't know when |
| [11:12:29] | exelnet_: | the previous transmission was (though you can of course give just the |
| [11:12:31] | exelnet_: | year, etc.). |
| [11:12:58] | justinh: | exelnet_: FWIW I'm not sure uk_rt even populates the field |
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| [11:15:01] | justinh: | if the data can't be complete, don't use it |
| [11:15:11] | exelnet_: | justinh: hehe well some do. :=) and this "just the year" seems to be the problem, since mythtv wants a timestamp :( anyway i doubt it will make much use of this field anyway.. |
| [11:15:23] | mithran: | hi all, what is the minimum net connection speed for mythbuntu to grab channels without a lag? |
| [11:15:33] | justinh: | what? |
| [11:15:42] | justinh: | grab channels without a lag? what do you mean? |
| [11:15:49] | mithran: | sorry im a beginner |
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| [11:16:25] | mithran: | from my understanding using myth tv, we can use the internet to view tv channels, is that right? |
| [11:16:30] | justinh: | no |
| [11:17:04] | Muzer: | justinh: I got confused about how the RT stuff links up to the Freeview channels |
| [11:17:09] | Muzer: | and couldn't find a way to configure it |
| [11:17:14] | Muzer: | so I didn't use it in the end |
| [11:17:29] | Muzer: | 7 day EPG is enough for me, besides, and I don't mind about descriptions usually |
| [11:17:30] | justinh: | Muzer: I made the wiki entry quite nice, then somebody spoiled it |
| [11:17:40] | Muzer: | though I must admit the RT film reviews are pretty useful |
| [11:18:58] | Muzer: | I wish tuner card manufacturers included loop ports :P |
| [11:19:06] | Muzer: | (RF loop I mean) |
| [11:20:23] | mithran: | justinh: I have a 512Kbps connection, can I install and use mythtv, comfortably with that sort of a net connection? |
| [11:21:02] | exelnet_: | mithran: you won't need any net connection |
| [11:22:23] | mithran: | exelnet_: so do I need a cable then? |
| [11:22:25] | Muzer: | mithran: MythTV's normal source of TV is through a tuner card (terrestrial, cable or satellite) |
| [11:22:48] | exelnet_: | mithran: some plugins make it possible to view stuff like youtube, but its not meant to be used that way. mythtv is normally used with some kinf of tv card. |
| [11:23:15] | mithran: | oh ok, so is it a substitute for people with computers, but no tvs? |
| [11:23:49] | Muzer: | well, it can be, but also for PVR functionality (recording) |
| [11:24:03] | Muzer: | and it also works as a general media centre (though again, that's not its primary function) |
| [11:24:47] | mithran: | im sorry im a beginner, i thouht it was something you could use to stream television off the internet, for people who dont have a dish or cable, but have an internet connection. |
| [11:25:30] | Muzer: | depending on where you live you may just be able to do that via the web, but I don't know of any standalone applications that work well for that sort of thing |
| [11:26:18] | mithran: | thanks Muzer, will investigate |
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| [11:27:28] | justinh: | the internet is not going to replace TV for quite some time yet :-) |
| [11:27:48] | justinh: | and certainly not a 512kbit download pipe |
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| [11:29:01] | Muzer: | in this country, most of the TV catchup services require at least 1mbps connections |
| [11:29:02] | Muzer: | (UK) |
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| [11:37:33] | justinh: | considering that most digital SDTV is > 2Mbps (mpeg2), at 512kbps you'll be lucky to be able to watch anything full screen in comparable quality even taking into account more efficient compression |
| [11:41:19] | Muzer: | exactly |
| [11:41:41] | Muzer: | BBC iPlayer's 1Mb/s mode is poor quality as it is |
| [11:41:50] | mithran: | i watch all cricket matches, agreed in not too good quality, using my connection |
| [11:42:27] | justinh: | and for all those people singing about IPTV being some great free thing that'll replace aerials, dishes & cables – they're living in the clouds. The majority of IP delivered TV is via propriatary platforms and hardware |
| [11:42:57] | justinh: | whether that be Adobe Flash, Silverlight or indeed special set top boxes |
| [11:43:45] | justinh: | so rather than make everything 'free' IMHO it'll do exactly the opposite. The providers of content will be able to have much more control over what, how & when people use the content |
| [11:44:19] | mithran: | ok done a bit of investigating, so from what i understand now, you can pause rewind live tv, record other channels while watching pre-recorded/live tv, and you get a user guide, is there something i am missing? |
| [11:44:45] | justinh: | it's *not* for internet TV |
| [11:45:58] | Muzer: | exactly |
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| [11:46:29] | justinh: | what you're missing is that mythtv does not know how to deal with all the different types of 'internet TV' there are out there |
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| [11:46:44] | Muzer: | I'd quite like broadcast TV to not be replaced in this country, because it's much better value for money than in other countries I've seen |
| [11:46:55] | mithran: | it sucks in mine |
| [11:46:58] | justinh: | it's designed to be used with TV tuners (analogue, digital) and other capture devices |
| [11:47:10] | Muzer: | Freeview and Freesat are particularly nice |
| [11:47:24] | justinh: | other capture devices, meaning devices which plug into a traditional set top box affair |
| [11:48:18] | mithran: | Muzer: thanks for throwing me those tidbits |
| [11:49:10] | Muzer: | but yeah |
| [11:49:16] | Muzer: | it's best to just stick to streaming stuff over the web |
| [11:49:20] | Muzer: | if you want internet TV |
| [11:49:31] | justinh: | if I remember right, XBMC has some plugins to watch streams from the internet. I don't know what kind of choice they offer – or whether they'll work where you are. That's another bad thing about 'internet TV', it doesn't mean you can watch anything, anywhere |
| [11:49:45] | Muzer: | as justinh said, the complete lack of standards for internet TV makes it very difficult to make one application to use them all ;P |
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| [11:50:14] | justinh: | and as far as I know, any site which streams cricket matches for free is likely illegal, and would in any event never be allowed to work with mythtv |
| [11:50:58] | justinh: | see also the "watch millions of TV channels over the internet, for FREE!" spam emails |
| [11:51:06] | mithran: | :) |
| [11:52:27] | justinh: | I'd love to believe that one day IP TV will become something great, but having seen the way everything is going I doubt it all very much. Consumers need to be more savvy & stop accepting restrictions like DRM. Heh, as if that's gonna happen |
| [11:52:35] | Muzer: | I would love to see someone make a decent internet TV frontend, but with the standards and encryption, it just isn't going to happen :P |
| [11:53:05] | mithran: | stop being so negative, well get there soon (in my newbie opinion) |
| [11:53:07] | justinh: | you probably could but it'd have to be closed source, and you'd need to enter into agreements with some providers which might bar you from using others |
| [11:53:16] | justinh: | not negative. Realistic |
| [11:53:24] | justinh: | look at Hulu.com as an example |
| [11:53:26] | Muzer: | well, you could just crack them all :P |
| [11:53:37] | Muzer: | but that's not legal in many countries |
| [11:53:48] | Muzer: | probably not in this one either, though I'm quite confused about exactly what the law is |
| [11:53:57] | justinh: | then look at iPlayer, then SeeSaw, 4OD, ITVPlayer... |
| [11:54:04] | Muzer: | yeah |
| [11:54:08] | Muzer: | iPlayer has plenty of frontends |
| [11:54:11] | Muzer: | but it's about the only one |
| [11:54:14] | justinh: | all need some propriatary tech to make sure the stream doesn't escape |
| [11:54:39] | Muzer: | (get_iplayer, iplayerdl until recently, and plugins for MythTV and XBMC, etc.) |
| [11:54:54] | Muzer: | on that note, the mythtv plugin's search feature appears broken |
| [11:54:55] | justinh: | streaming costs money. you have to make sure that nobody can escape paying |
| [11:54:59] | Muzer: | which makes it pretty much useless :P |
| [11:55:30] | justinh: | if that means putting advertising in the stream to make it 'free' at the point of use, fine |
| [11:55:54] | justinh: | I doubt seesaw & the others are making any money yet |
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| [11:56:15] | justinh: | which, remember is why they got into it |
| [11:56:16] | Muzer: | iPlayer doesn't, because it's licence fee funded, but the rest do |
| [11:56:34] | Muzer: | well, that's a point, I wonder if iPlayer IS directly funded by the licence fee or not... |
| [11:56:37] | justinh: | I get iplayer on cable :) |
| [11:56:39] | justinh: | it is |
| [11:56:51] | Muzer: | but you don't need a TV licence to view iPlayer, they say on their site |
| [11:57:01] | Muzer: | (but you do to watch BBC live over the internet) |
| [11:57:06] | justinh: | yup |
| [11:57:17] | justinh: | but it's definitely licence fee funded |
| [11:57:23] | Muzer: | yeah, Freesat does iPlaye |
| [11:57:24] | Muzer: | r |
| [11:57:39] | Muzer: | and will do ITV Player soon (well, I say soon, it was scheduled for Q1–2 2010 :P) |
| [11:57:45] | justinh: | no, cable does iplayer & it's not over the internet at all. it's very good |
| [11:57:56] | Muzer: | ah, this is over the internet |
| [11:58:09] | justinh: | and fwiw these kids who come in all bright eyed who think it's all gonna be free someday.. they've got a big shock coming |
| [11:58:11] | Muzer: | but yeah, it works well |
| [11:58:24] | Muzer: | and ITV Player will work well, I'm sure, once it gets out of beta :P |
| [11:58:57] | justinh: | the only bad thing about ondemand on the cable box is the UI is a bit sucky & slower than mythtv |
| [11:59:21] | Muzer: | the UI's a bit sucky on Freesat too... |
| [11:59:33] | justinh: | they try to do way too much on those crappy 500Mhz RISC CPUs.. the OS is sitting under middleware, then the UI stuff is on top |
| [11:59:44] | Muzer: | y |
| [11:59:45] | justinh: | if it was more native it'd fly |
| [11:59:55] | Muzer: | *my box is Linux-based |
| [11:59:59] | Muzer: | but the application is MHEG |
| [12:00:05] | justinh: | AFAIK the cable boxes are linuxy too |
| [12:00:14] | Muzer: | and all the STB functions are run in one massive binary blob |
| [12:00:28] | justinh: | nothing necessarily wrong with that |
| [12:00:33] | justinh: | unless it's java :P |
| [12:00:37] | Muzer: | no, it's not Java |
| [12:00:39] | Muzer: | or Python :P |
| [12:00:53] | Muzer: | yeah, it seems quite a good system actually |
| [12:01:02] | Muzer: | the Linux core is stored in a separate partition |
| [12:01:06] | justinh: | apparently the middleware is there so it can be cross-platform |
| [12:01:07] | Muzer: | so people have come up with replacements for it |
| [12:01:09] | Muzer: | which are pretty fun |
| [12:01:18] | Muzer: | like, they have FTP servers, ssh servers, etc. |
| [12:01:22] | justinh: | because they used to have different hardware all over the shop |
| [12:01:27] | justinh: | it's more common now :) |
| [12:01:58] | Muzer: | Freesat it's just MHEG5 |
| [12:02:09] | Muzer: | and the box can choose to use that however it wants |
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| [12:02:15] | Muzer: | but mine I'm pretty sure is running directly on hardware |
| [12:02:20] | justinh: | quickest, dirtiest way to do it I suppose |
| [12:02:56] | justinh: | Youview won't make it much better either |
| [12:03:07] | Muzer: | Youview has had so many delays |
| [12:03:11] | Muzer: | I doubt it's going to launch in time |
| [12:03:56] | Muzer: | what I'm really after is 4oD on Freesat |
| [12:04:13] | Muzer: | and in a recent press release Channel 4 said they'd be concentrating more effort on Freesat, so that's a possibility |
| [12:04:20] | Muzer: | could also mean they're planning on putting another HD channel on it |
| [12:04:23] | Muzer: | which would also be nice :P |
| [12:04:56] | justinh: | I don't think I even use channel four anymore |
| [12:05:35] | justinh: | used to record The Simpsons, but we gave up on it |
| [12:05:54] | Muzer: | The Big Bang Theory :D |
| [12:06:23] | justinh: | meh |
| [12:06:35] | justinh: | http://imagebin.org/155212 – CCTV camera, 0.3 lux :-O |
| [12:07:22] | justinh: | oh and that's without the image integratin turned on :P |
| [12:08:49] | Muzer: | does Myth handle radio cards? |
| [12:08:53] | justinh: | no |
| [12:09:09] | Muzer: | aw |
| [12:09:19] | justinh: | there used to be a plugin called mythfm but it never made it officially |
| [12:09:30] | Muzer: | does it still work? |
| [12:09:34] | justinh: | hell no |
| [12:09:42] | Muzer: | heh |
| [12:09:44] | justinh: | it was crap anyway, and tied up a tuner |
| [12:09:48] | Muzer: | ah |
| [12:10:05] | justinh: | wasn't done properly, i.e. with a new recording class & better integrated etc |
| [12:10:09] | Muzer: | hmm, on that topic, does Linux have any decent DAB applications yet? Wondering whether or not to get a DAB card... |
| [12:10:18] | justinh: | are there any DAB cards? |
| [12:10:27] | Muzer: | I assume so |
| [12:10:29] | justinh: | I remember there being one PCI card |
| [12:10:30] | Muzer: | DAB's been out for ages |
| [12:10:35] | justinh: | you may be assuming wrongly |
| [12:10:47] | justinh: | I used to have a Psion Wavefinder. It didn't really even work in windows |
| [12:11:07] | Muzer: | despite the low bitrates I quite like DAB |
| [12:11:10] | Muzer: | could do with a few more muxes |
| [12:11:30] | Muzer: | (or "ensembles" as they're called in DAB) |
| [12:11:58] | justinh: | could do with higher bitrates & less cruft |
| [12:12:19] | justinh: | stop trying to sell every damn digital thing with 3 figure channel numbers |
| [12:12:27] | Muzer: | more muxes would probably mean higher bitrate, hopefully at least :p |
| [12:12:33] | justinh: | no, I doubt it |
| [12:12:41] | justinh: | if you look at what happened to Freeview.. nah |
| [12:12:49] | Muzer: | Well, Freeview never got more muxes |
| [12:12:51] | Muzer: | it always had 6 |
| [12:13:01] | Muzer: | but yeah |
| [12:13:12] | justinh: | and yet they still managed to cram everything in to the max :-\ |
| [12:13:17] | Muzer: | heh |
| [12:13:24] | Muzer: | well, the PSB stuff is still reasonable quality |
| [12:13:29] | Muzer: | which is all that really matters IMHO |
| [12:13:32] | justinh: | anything live on ITV1 looks like Lego |
| [12:13:36] | Muzer: | well, having said that ITV's pretty crap |
| [12:13:36] | Muzer: | heh |
| [12:13:42] | Muzer: | but I never watch that :P |
| [12:14:01] | Muzer: | BBC Four is highest quality pre-DSO |
| [12:14:10] | Muzer: | (though that may change when they bring in the fifth stream) |
| [12:14:16] | justinh: | fifth?! |
| [12:14:20] | justinh: | WTH?! |
| [12:14:39] | Muzer: | well ,there WERE 5 before but one running at low quality |
| [12:14:43] | Muzer: | (the BBC Interactive stream) |
| [12:14:54] | Muzer: | they're offering up a third commercial stream now on Pre-DSO Mux B |
| [12:15:01] | justinh: | sigh |
| [12:15:14] | Muzer: | well, at least the BBC are getting money from it :P |
| [12:15:27] | Muzer: | (currently BBC Four/CBeebies, BBC Parliament, Sky Sports 1 and 2 are on it) |
| [12:15:29] | justinh: | they get money |
| [12:15:47] | justinh: | and they should kick that bastard Murdoch's channels right off |
| [12:15:51] | justinh: | and TUTV |
| [12:15:54] | Muzer: | heh |
| [12:15:56] | Muzer: | yeah |
| [12:16:16] | justinh: | and the utterly fricking useless MHEG crap like Rabbit & its variants |
| [12:16:23] | Muzer: | I think more to the point, on their HD satellite transponder they should kick off the encrypted-for-no-apparent-reason ITV1 Meridian HD channel :P |
| [12:16:37] | justinh: | get rid of all those, there'd be enough space for a whole other TV channel |
| [12:16:47] | Muzer: | yeah |
| [12:17:09] | Muzer: | I've never liked Teletext :P |
| [12:17:23] | Muzer: | (they're the company who owns pretty much all the MHEG crap) |
| [12:17:45] | justinh: | apparently Maplin sell a USB DAB tuner |
| [12:17:51] | Muzer: | ooh |
| [12:17:56] | Muzer: | got to go now |
| [12:18:07] | justinh: | there are drivers in the kernel for some DAB devices I think |
| [12:18:15] | justinh: | whether it'd be that one or not, YMMV |
| [12:18:20] | Muzer: | oh, I've made these charts that show all the Freeview video streams and how they're used |
| [12:18:23] | Muzer: | http://tim32.org/~muzer/muxdiag.png/ |
| [12:18:42] | Muzer: | (viewcurrent.php draws a line at the current time, the rest are just the plain images) |
| [12:18:48] | Muzer: | if you're interested |
| [12:19:08] | Muzer: | bye |
| [12:21:13] | justinh: | seeya |
| [12:27:17] | wagnerrp: | you really cant argue with someone on the mailing list about overcompression when theyve already made up their mind |
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| [12:40:50] | wagnerrp: | justinh: i think youll like this one.. http://theoatmeal.com/comics/apostrophe |
| [12:45:26] | justinh: | heh |
| [12:46:05] | justinh: | oh this is not a nice product. it's got an IP address by DHCP but oh, what is it? find a PC with a serial port & interrogate it |
| [12:46:52] | wagnerrp: | no MAC address stamped on the bottom? |
| [12:46:56] | justinh: | nope |
| [12:48:41] | wagnerrp: | got an account on the DHCP server? |
| [12:49:00] | justinh: | nope |
| [12:51:28] | justinh: | ah 172.17.36.100 |
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| [14:07:18] | wagnerrp: | heheh.... HAHAHAHA |
| [14:07:32] | wagnerrp: | http://forums.imedialinux.com/index.php?topic=2238.0 |
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| [14:08:36] | wagnerrp: | because the Via systems weren't sufficiently low performance |
| [14:08:50] | justinh: | ugh. somebody I kind of know has suggested I might like to go to an open-mic performance poetry night. |
| [14:09:10] | wagnerrp: | user instead wants to install MythTV on a 500MHz Geode box |
| [14:09:32] | justinh: | hmmm |
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| [14:46:37] | simonckenyon: | re ticket #6948 – if i receive the same "program" stream via two different methods (say DVB-T and DVB-S) should they have the same channel number? i always gave them different channel numbers. |
| [14:47:12] | wagnerrp: | if you want mythtv to recognize them as a single channel, and schedule them as such, yes |
| [14:47:21] | justinh: | and same callsign, IIRC |
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| [14:52:26] | simonckenyon: | ok – i see. i get some channels multiple different ways – analog terrestrial, analog capture from stb, dvb-t, dvb-s. they all have different qualities. i would not want them to be treated the same for recording purposes. |
| [14:52:53] | wagnerrp: | mark them as hidden |
| [14:54:59] | wagnerrp: | sphery: is the new media schema going to be designed for direct database access, or for querying over mythproto? |
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| [15:12:12] | duron23: | justinh, hi mate |
| [15:12:31] | duron23: | justinh, remember me ? |
| [15:20:00] | iamlindoro: | Remember that 23rd cheap AMD chip you bought? The one that overheated easily and you swore you'd never cheap out on AMD garbage again? |
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| [15:26:08] | Beirdo: | guh. mornings... |
| [15:27:40] | wagnerrp: | sounds like someones got a case of the thursdays |
| [15:28:01] | ** wagnerrp dodges the impending fish ** | |
| [15:28:11] | sphery: | wagnerrp: neither, really... I'm not going to add any mythproto changes for it when switching to the new schema (partly because I think we need to do data access using something other than mythproto--if nothing else the services api stuff) |
| [15:28:31] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [15:28:43] | Beirdo: | had to be up early today to deploy a hotfix |
| [15:28:51] | Beirdo: | thankfully, I can do that from home |
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| [15:29:09] | sphery: | but eventually when we start the transition to a data server, we can work it in (don't think the physical storage layout is really that important--after all, the data server can abstract the physical storage however makes sense) |
| [15:29:13] | wagnerrp: | sphery: youre saying have the frontend access stuff through the services API |
| [15:29:31] | sphery: | I'm saying clients access stuff through something that's not mythproto |
| [15:29:47] | sphery: | but services api is one such option |
| [15:30:18] | sphery: | at least not "traditional" mythproto with []:[] stringlists |
| [15:31:26] | sphery: | simonckenyon: channel number is irrelevant to recording... callsign says "treat the channels the same" |
| [15:32:12] | sphery: | channel number is only relevant for live tv (as a means of saying, "tune to this channel and only this channel") |
| [15:34:28] | wagnerrp: | sphery: hadnt even considered that |
| [15:34:43] | wagnerrp: | limit protocol access to only those methods the frontend actually needs |
| [15:34:49] | wagnerrp: | run everything else through something else |
| [15:36:45] | sphery: | yeah, basically I'm just thinking that since we now have a protocol channel and a data channel (Qt-MySQL driver connection to MySQL), the same makes sense later--mainly from the standpoint of not knowing how much data will need to be piped around through the data channel (and whether it would get in the way of commands/responses) |
| [15:37:06] | wagnerrp: | use the xml/json stuff as the data channel |
| [15:37:13] | wagnerrp: | and leave mythproto for commands? |
| [15:37:17] | sphery: | technically, though, we have multiple data channels (since we have multiple mysql connections), but if we need that, we could do the same |
| [15:37:25] | sphery: | yeah, that's one possibility |
| [15:37:35] | sphery: | or the protobuf approach (that I still like :) |
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| [15:39:09] | sphery: | can create objects for "standard" stuff (like programinfo lists) and hae objects for individual tables, and then just populate the stuff that's required in it... Not sure how many "standard" objects there would be, but I can imagine them covering most of the actual data usage/transfer (and allowing abstraction from physical storage format) and using the per-table objects only where necessary |
| [15:39:25] | iamlindoro: | protobuf makes me wary |
| [15:39:39] | iamlindoro: | Aside from the ten ton gorilla, it doesn't appear to have that broad an acceptance |
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| [15:39:59] | sphery: | I do need to ping dblain about the "frontend code for requesting json", so I can rip out the mythproto time zone check and use the GetTimeZone, instead |
| [15:40:40] | sphery: | iamlindoro: and it's not XML/JSON, which "I know that, so I can just use it directly--without ever learning anything about MythTV or its data" |
| [15:40:43] | sphery: | :) |
| [15:40:54] | iamlindoro: | Great, it's the nuppelvideo of data transfer |
| [15:40:55] | sphery: | i.e. just like people already know SQL, so they can edit DBs directly |
| [15:41:39] | sphery: | though it seems it's actually very well used from what I've seen |
| [15:41:43] | iamlindoro: | sphery: I don't think we should shy away from using something standard just because people will abuse it |
| [15:41:58] | iamlindoro: | it's cutting off one's nose to spite one's face IMO |
| [15:42:00] | sphery: | that's not a "just because" |
| [15:42:10] | sphery: | it's actually a better protocol for data transfer than xml/json |
| [15:42:24] | wagnerrp: | well... because its a binary protocol |
| [15:42:27] | iamlindoro: | At the cost of comprehensibility |
| [15:42:29] | wagnerrp: | which means its more efficient |
| [15:42:36] | sphery: | significantly lighter, flexible, type safe |
| [15:42:44] | wagnerrp: | but that also means its statically defined and less flexible |
| [15:43:09] | sphery: | it's statically defined at compile time, which is fine |
| [15:43:51] | sphery: | especially if we have a fallback to table-objects |
| [15:44:11] | Beirdo: | and it's hardly non-standard. All of google uses it, pretty much |
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| [15:44:26] | sphery: | seems lots of people/projects outside of google use it, too |
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| [15:44:37] | iamlindoro: | Beirdo: "all of google" is not a compelling argument, that's one entity |
| [15:44:44] | sphery: | anyway, the point is, I don't want []:[] for data access when we create a data server |
| [15:44:55] | wagnerrp: | ill agree with you that far |
| [15:44:58] | sphery: | that's /bad/ because it's just strings, not type safe, and very dangerous |
| [15:45:26] | sphery: | at that point, we're missing the whole data integrity/validation benefit of creating a data server |
| [15:45:30] | wagnerrp: | but i also agree with captm that at least for debugging purposes, a text protocol is very useful |
| [15:45:54] | iamlindoro: | I don't want to use mythproto style data transfer either-- I just happen to think that a comprehensible and nearly universally used standard trumps one which is slightly more efficient but less broadly used or comprehensible |
| [15:46:43] | kormoc: | what's the alternative? |
| [15:47:16] | iamlindoro: | JSON v. protobuf |
| [15:47:18] | iamlindoro: | I prefer JSON |
| [15:47:43] | kormoc: | Ahh |
| [15:48:44] | Beirdo: | the other good thing about protobuf over JSON (which is also a decent option)... it will take less CPU, as we don't need to marshal it in and out of text repeatedly |
| [15:49:05] | kormoc: | Can't we build in both and test? I'd imagine we'd be doing compression for JSON so over the wire would be smaller anyway? |
| [15:49:16] | Beirdo: | it's not "slightly more" efficient, it's considerably more efficient |
| [15:49:47] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: clearly binary protocols are more efficient than text ones, but do we have the need? |
| [15:49:56] | iamlindoro: | Beirdo: I'd need to see hard numbers before taking your word on that |
| [15:50:04] | wagnerrp: | the only time were sending gobs of data would be pulling the full list of recordings or videos |
| [15:50:16] | iamlindoro: | We're not dealing with gigabytes or even more than a few megabytes of data at any given time |
| [15:50:23] | Beirdo: | or the disk full, or the previews, or... |
| [15:50:26] | wagnerrp: | in which case, wouldnt it be better to use a segmented list if it becomes a problem? |
| [15:50:41] | wagnerrp: | previews are already sent as binary data |
| [15:50:44] | Beirdo: | having to parse in text is slower than in binary data |
| [15:50:53] | Beirdo: | no, they are sent base64 |
| [15:50:56] | Beirdo: | or the like |
| [15:50:57] | wagnerrp: | at most we miight base64 themm |
| [15:51:06] | wagnerrp: | but how much time does that actually take/ |
| [15:51:10] | Beirdo: | which is fine if you need text |
| [15:51:47] | kormoc: | I personally like protobuf and think it's the better solution, but we should be able to write the protocol searilizar as a modular and be able to write both fairly easily, no? |
| [15:52:15] | Beirdo: | now that sounds like a good idea |
| [15:52:33] | Beirdo: | the one downfall with protobuf... not well supported in PHP, for instance |
| [15:52:45] | Beirdo: | JSON is a good compromise |
| [15:52:52] | wagnerrp: | which is why making something modular would be a big plus |
| [15:52:56] | sphery: | yep |
| [15:53:00] | wagnerrp: | the client could then define what format they want to talk in |
| [15:53:10] | sphery: | and why my only statement was "something not []:[]" |
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| [17:06:05] | Muzer: | BLOODY HELL |
| [17:06:13] | Muzer: | justinh: you know the conversation we were having earlier? |
| [17:06:21] | Muzer: | Well, SDN are launching an ELEVENTH stream on their mux |
| [17:06:28] | Muzer: | presumably |
| [17:06:35] | Muzer: | because they've just reduced most of their bitrates to below 2Mbps |
| [17:06:41] | Muzer: | leaving 2Mbps of null packets |
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| [17:38:12] | Batshua: | Hey, guys? I'm getting a mythtranscode error 136. I looked at the logs, and they basically say "mythtranscode error 136". Any idea what I should be doing to work on this? |
| [17:41:51] | wagnerrp: | a 136 is... file permissions error |
| [17:42:36] | Batshua: | Ah, do I need to add mythtv to a group or osmething? |
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| [17:44:26] | wagnerrp: | by all rights, that shouldnt happen |
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| [17:45:46] | wagnerrp: | recordings should be recorded by mythbackend, which would be running the jobqueue that ran mythtranscode |
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| [17:45:56] | wagnerrp: | mythtranscode should be running as the same user that recorded the file |
| [17:46:03] | wagnerrp: | so it should have file permissions |
| [17:46:16] | wagnerrp: | unless youre running a separate mythjobqueue under a separate user account |
| [17:46:29] | wagnerrp: | or this is a jobqueue running on a separate machine, using NFS mounts |
| [17:48:52] | Batshua: | the frontend and the backend are the same. |
| [17:48:59] | Batshua: | I use the frontend to transcode. |
| [17:49:33] | Batshua: | 'cause I transcode after I cut the commercials out. |
| [17:49:46] | Batshua: | What would be the logical next step here? |
| [17:55:41] | Batshua: | wagnerrp: Wait, does mythtranscode run under MY user, or mythtv? |
| [17:56:06] | wagnerrp: | no, you dont use the frontend to transcode |
| [17:56:17] | wagnerrp: | you use the frontend to add an entry in the database |
| [17:56:29] | Batshua: | ah. |
| [17:56:32] | wagnerrp: | the jobqueue running as a thread inside mythbackend runs tasks defined in the database |
| [17:56:42] | Batshua: | the logs are in the frontend, so I figured it was the frontend. |
| [17:56:50] | Batshua: | or they were. or something.>.< |
| [17:57:06] | wagnerrp: | the frontend may log that it added an entry to the jobqueue, but that is all |
| [17:57:15] | Batshua: | AH |
| [17:57:19] | wagnerrp: | the logs of actual execution will be where ever the backend logs to |
| [17:58:12] | wagnerrp: | actually, what version of mythtv is this? |
| [17:58:37] | Batshua: | 0.24-fixes |
| [17:59:15] | wagnerrp: | in that case, there should be no error code 136 |
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| [18:01:19] | Batshua: | And yet, uh, there is. |
| [18:01:24] | Batshua: | It was a clean install and everything. |
| [18:10:09] | wagnerrp: | if thats a jobqueue status, rather than an error code |
| [18:10:26] | wagnerrp: | that means the transcode instance decided to restart itself multiple times |
| [18:10:29] | wagnerrp: | before finally erroring out |
| [18:10:45] | Batshua: | Let me see what it said. |
| [18:11:14] | Batshua: | Autodetect (exit status 136, job status was "Running") |
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| [18:20:07] | dsmith2048: | Howdy! |
| [18:21:32] | Batshua: | Hihi. |
| [18:22:05] | dsmith2048: | I'm having an issue with ivtv and 0.25 and 0.24. Whenever I try to change channels, it hangs for a while then it goes back to the main menu with the message "Video frame buffering failed too many times". |
| [18:22:35] | dsmith2048: | looking at the backend log I get several hundred of these: |
| [18:22:35] | dsmith2048: | 2011-05–26 13:15:57.904 MPEGRec(/dev/video0) Error: Device error detected |
| [18:22:35] | dsmith2048: | 2011-05–26 13:15:57.928 DevRdB(/dev/video0): poll error |
| [18:23:01] | wagnerrp: | what kernel are you using? |
| [18:23:14] | dsmith2048: | the problem wasn't so bad in 0.23 w/ubuntu 10.10. |
| [18:23:32] | dsmith2048: | Linux andy-oldass 2.6.38-8-generic #42-Ubuntu SMP Mon Apr 11 03:31:50 UTC 2011 i686 athlon i386 GNU/Linux |
| [18:23:56] | dsmith2048: | foolishly upgraded ubuntu to 11. |
| [18:24:15] | wagnerrp: | likely a side effect of whatever the mythbuntu patch to re-enable V4L support does |
| [18:24:23] | dsmith2048: | now using the mythbuntu repos hoping it would solve it, but no. |
| [18:24:35] | dsmith2048: | i'm not compiling tho. |
| [18:25:06] | wagnerrp: | what does compiling have anything to do with? |
| [18:25:39] | dsmith2048: | you mentioned a patch. i do compile others like ardour. |
| [18:26:54] | dsmith2048: | soooooo. do you know of any card configurations that might fix? |
| [18:27:14] | dsmith2048: | thanks for helping so promptly |
| [18:28:03] | namenick: | Does anybody here know anything about installing "Consumer IR" on a motherboard? |
| [18:28:32] | namenick: | My case does not have mounting spots for an IR receiver; is that a problem? |
| [18:28:49] | namenick: | ("Does IR need to be line-of-sight") |
| [18:28:58] | sailerboy: | afaik |
| [18:29:48] | namenick: | my motherboard has "IR headers", but if I would need to saw to install IR, I think I'll try something else first. |
| [18:30:33] | sailerboy: | you don't need to saw, you could probably just glue it down to the top of the case |
| [18:30:35] | sailerboy: | or soemthing |
| [18:30:47] | sailerboy: | the recievers can be pretty small |
| [18:31:59] | sailerboy: | if you wanted another option though, this is pretty well supported |
| [18:31:59] | sailerboy: | http://www.amazon.com/Windows-Certified-Infra . . . 6&sr=1-3 |
| [18:32:11] | dsmith2048: | should I not ask this type of question on the main #mythtv channel? |
| [18:32:18] | Beirdo: | no |
| [18:32:27] | Beirdo: | this is the main channel. |
| [18:32:29] | sailerboy: | dsmith2048, what type of question? |
| [18:32:39] | namenick: | humm, maybe the side. I'd still need to get the appropriate sender/receivers, & figure out whether this is a plug-in job or more involved. |
| [18:32:42] | dsmith2048: | problem with ivtv |
| [18:32:51] | Beirdo: | #mythtv is for development/developer use |
| [18:32:55] | sailerboy: | namenick, if you get the remote i pointed you to, it's mostly a plug and play |
| [18:33:00] | Beirdo: | this channel is for user support |
| [18:33:00] | sailerboy: | assuming you have mythbuntu |
| [18:33:01] | dsmith2048: | hangs when changing channels every time |
| [18:33:05] | sailerboy: | i cant say anything else |
| [18:33:10] | sailerboy: | about other mythtv distros |
| [18:33:23] | sailerboy: | if there is an LIRC preset for media center remotes, it'll be plug and play for the most part |
| [18:33:32] | sailerboy: | anyway, here you go |
| [18:33:32] | sailerboy: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MCE_Remote |
| [18:33:37] | sailerboy: | if thou carest |
| [18:33:49] | dsmith2048: | Linux andy-oldass 2.6.38-8-generic #42-Ubuntu SMP Mon Apr 11 03:31:50 UTC 2011 i686 athlon i386 GNU/Linux |
| [18:34:01] | dsmith2048: | video frame buffering failed too many times |
| [18:34:16] | namenick: | I also have one of the new HDHomeruns, which claim to have a way of talking to LIRC |
| [18:34:21] | dsmith2048: | and lots of these |
| [18:34:35] | dsmith2048: | Error: Device error detected |
| [18:34:37] | dsmith2048: | poll error |
| [18:35:12] | dsmith2048: | it started when moving up to 0.24 and 5. |
| [18:37:12] | namenick: | which might be worth trying. The "CIR" headers solution would have the longest lead time. I was thinking it would be "cleaner" to have everything flush inside of the case, but maybe that won't work. |
| [18:37:36] | namenick: | Thanks, sailerboy |
| [18:38:45] | namenick: | (I assume I tell my Logitech Harmony 900 that I'm talking to a media PC?) |
| [18:47:59] | dsmith2048: | no one has an answer? |
| [18:48:36] | dsmith2048: | would it be worth my while to build from source? |
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| [20:21:32] | sphery: | can't tell dsmith2048 he needs to use the ppa with the v4l1 patch |
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| [21:12:24] | iamlindoro: | and that it wasn't moving between myth versions, but the other massive upgrade he did |
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| [21:19:22] | Beirdo: | "but I only changed my distro version! |
| [21:19:40] | Beirdo: | THWAP! |
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| [21:31:02] | namenick: | I was thinking I could use use the IR receiver in my new HDHomerun to control mythfrontend, but now I hear that the HDHR3 does NOT have an IR receiver. *sigh* |
| [21:31:24] | Gumby: | When I scroll through the guide it can get a fair bit "laggy" at times as well as the livetv preview stops and starts as the page refreshes. Could this be a result of too many channels (I have two separate satellite services) or perhaps under powered systems. My backend is an intel e2180 overclocked to 2.87ghz. I also only have 2GB RAM in the backend and it has two USB tuners attached |
| [21:31:33] | Gumby: | frontend is an acer revo |
| [21:31:49] | namenick: | (of course, many, many, many other things need to be fixed also). |
| [21:31:50] | Gumby: | any opinions on where to upgrade |
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| [21:42:23] | martibe: | Hello, i am trying to configure remote MCE. In irw i see correct code, but in myth no move. Any advice? |
| [21:44:02] | JEDIDIAH__: | mythtv doesn't use the usual ~/.lircrc file. It keeps it in ~/.mythtv |
| [21:44:23] | martibe: | is there |
| [21:44:33] | JEDIDIAH__: | ...and all the codes are right? |
| [21:44:48] | JEDIDIAH__: | ...and you've restarted mythfrontend since the last time you changed lircrc? |
| [21:44:54] | martibe: | sure |
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| [21:46:47] | josh_: | fan art only seems to download partially |
| [21:47:03] | josh_: | maybe this has nothing to do with mythtv? |
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| [21:47:56] | josh_: | im running 24.1, and downloaded the arclight theme using the theme chooser |
| [21:47:56] | martibe: | LIRC: Successfully initialized '/var/run/lirc/lircd' using '/home/martibe/.mythtv/lircrc' confi |
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| [21:59:27] | martibe: | Well... lircd.conf was declared ex. 'UP' and im mythtv lircrc was UP. That's all... my mistake. |
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