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Saturday, May 21st, 2011, 00:02 UTC

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wagnerrp:

quiet night

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rileyp:

yep Um Im not getting any metadata in recodings dir

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rileyp:

soz redordings gui

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rileyp:

do I need to manually install jamu etc?

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rileyp:

or does it just work 0.24 fixes

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wagnerrp:

metadata, as in artwork?

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wagnerrp:

generally, metadata is text, which comes from your listings provider

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wagnerrp:

you couldnt record without it

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rileyp:

yes artwork

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wagnerrp:

yes, you need jamu to download that for you

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rileyp:

so I need to install jamu?

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iamlindoro:

...

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rileyp:

I though there was an option in mythbuntu cc for jamu but ist no longer there

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wagnerrp:

jamu is not something to install

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rileyp:

perhaps tehy removed it

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wagnerrp:

it comes with mythvideo

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wagnerrp:

http://mythtv.org/wiki/Jamu

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rileyp:

I get art work for videos but not recordings

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rileyp:

well 1 or 2 recordings get artwork

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wagnerrp:

mythtv has no real support for recordings artwork

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wagnerrp:

that screen will scan the available files in an attempt to find matching artwork

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wagnerrp:

but you cannot specifically define artwork to use as you can in mythvideo

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wagnerrp:

those one or two recordings have artwork because you have similar files in mythvideo

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rileyp:

does it look in the FE artwork folders or the BE's

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wagnerrp:

the artwork storage groups on the backend

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rileyp:

ok so by default /var/lib/mythtv/coverart etc

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rileyp:

in mythbuntu

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wagnerrp:

i dont know, i dont use mythbuntu

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rileyp:

it seems to sugesst 2 diffrent locations in the FE set up of mythvideo by default ~/.mythtv/MythVideo/coverart

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rileyp:

but in storage dirs its /var/lib

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rileyp:

on the BE so I dnot knwo which I should use I suppose it dont matter just make emall the same

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wagnerrp:

dont use the frontend setup locations for mythvideo

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wagnerrp:

leave them blank

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rileyp:

if i leave blank no videos

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rileyp:

So i install mythvideo on the BE and it will share everything out?

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rileyp:

All vidoes are on BE and I ve shared with nfs

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tgm4883:

rileyp, ~/.mythtv/MythVideo/coverart isn't one of our defaults

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tgm4883:

rileyp, you don't need to share via NFS

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rileyp:

wel my mythbuntu FE suggests this location and the FE on BE mythvideo has this as well

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tgm4883:

rileyp, it says that in the frontend setup?

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rileyp:

yes the setup page "files that contain videos" ,,,, files that contain coverart....etc

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rileyp:

not in BE set up

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rileyp:

I just did a clean instal of my BE and moved my sql DB across and all my artwark is non existant

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tgm4883:

rileyp, is this a brand new mythtv backend setup?

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tgm4883:

rileyp, have you always used mythbuntu/ubuntu for your primary backend?

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rileyp:

and its lucid yes master only 1 BE I have

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rileyp:

yes

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tgm4883:

rileyp, interesting

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp... web gateway?

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tgm4883:

so your database didn't come from something like mythdora or linuxmce

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Beirdo:

interesting

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rileyp:

No not at all

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rileyp:

it is a mythbuntu db

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Beirdo:

kormoc_afk: found "pmud" that says it will allow me to close the lid without going to sleep in linux

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tgm4883:

odd

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tgm4883:

in any case, what was the issue you had?

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rileyp:

so i set my video dir in BE staoarge groups and not set it in FE on my MBE

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tgm4883:

correct

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tgm4883:

you don't set it on either of your frontends

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rileyp:

recording not gettings artwork and as wagnerp has told me it will only get artwork for files already in the

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rileyp:

artwork folder

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rileyp:

so isuppose if i load the dir with all the shows I watch Ill be fine

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rileyp:

and these dirs that recodings look at for artwork are set in MBE storage dirs correct

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tgm4883:

yep

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mycosys:

tgm4883: if you dont set it in the frontend wont alternative players fail?

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mycosys:

ie only the internal player works with storage groups

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tgm4883:

mycosys, yes

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rileyp:

ok so rather than mythvideo using ~/MythVideo/ I set /var/lib/mythtv then I mght get a heap more artwork in my recordings gui provided I load the foldre with all the shows I watch

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tgm4883:

wait no

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tgm4883:

are you talking about the frontend or backen

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tgm4883:

d

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mycosys:

remote frontends

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tgm4883:

mycosys, SGs only work with internal player

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tgm4883:

rileyp, are you talking about the FE or BE?

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tgm4883:

your recordings should pick up the shows and get artwork, but IIRC it only does that scan once a day

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tgm4883:

you will have to check /etc/cron.*/ directories

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tgm4883:

IIRC it's the mythvideo job

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tgm4883:

and check the job for the jamu options to see which is running for recordings

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rileyp:

tgm4883, I hapyy to talk about whatever to get artwork in my recordings gui in my 2 remote Fe's and my combo FE/MBE

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rileyp:

at presnt there is no cron job in my BE

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rileyp:

or in my FE after looking

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rileyp:

just then

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wagnerrp:

!seen jya

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MythLogBot:

jya was last seen 18 hours 45 minutes 24 seconds ago

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: you know of a place to map P4 family/model/stepping to core details?

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wagnerrp:

ark.intel.com?

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Beirdo:

OK, that just makes too much sense :)

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Beirdo:

this free box has a 2.8GHz P4, and I'm wondiering if it's worth putting in a 3GHz one I yanked out of another box :)

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Beirdo:

off to ark I go :)

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wagnerrp:

hi ho...

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wagnerrp:

this mbuffer trick jya pointed me to is fantastic

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Beirdo:

hmmm, family, model, stepping in dmesg (from freebsd) doesn't match the table on ark

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Beirdo:

id=0xf41 family=f model=4 stepping=1

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Beirdo:

the one I'm considering popping in is SL7Z9

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wagnerrp:

can you remove the heatsink and look at the label?

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Beirdo:

yeah, that would be the next step

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Beirdo:

I booted with a PCBSD DVD I got at LinuxFest NW.

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Beirdo:

I think if I'm going to use FreeBSD, I want to use the real thing, not some ubuntu-looking version of it

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wagnerrp:

i find that extemely amusing

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Beirdo:

why?

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wagnerrp:

getting a BSD disk at a Linux fest

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Beirdo:

ooh, yeah

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Beirdo:

heh. It was free, I took it

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Beirdo:

chows that the two drives I put in aren't completely dead, too

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

shows

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wagnerrp:

f41 appears to be the first batch of prescotts

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wagnerrp:

definately junk it for the second gen sl7z9

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Beirdo:

yeah, seems like.

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Beirdo:

I need more RAM too. Only got 2G (for free)

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wagnerrp:

oh no! only 2!

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Beirdo:

and half a rabbit worth of dust bunnies

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wagnerrp:

good luck finding DDR1

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wagnerrp:

or does it run on 2?

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Beirdo:

DDR2, I think

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Beirdo:

ECC in there

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Beirdo:

533MHz DDR2

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Beirdo:

with ECC

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wagnerrp:

the memory i picked up, 4GB of DDR2

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wagnerrp:

theyre single ranked

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Beirdo:

now why does it say memory channel mode: single

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wagnerrp:

2Gbit chips for $2.50 a piece

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wagnerrp:

amazing

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Beirdo:

it's a pair of 1G sticks

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Beirdo:

nice.

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Beirdo:

let me guess, it wants it in slot 1/2

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

I have it in 2/4

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wagnerrp:

i really wish they were more consistant with those things

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Beirdo:

they never bothered to indicate such crap on teh motherboard

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wagnerrp:

i always have to look in the manual

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Beirdo:

yeah

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Beirdo:

let me try that. Then let the CPU cool down so I can swap :)

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wagnerrp:

sometimes they need to be next to each other, some times they need to be staggered

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Beirdo:

have to find my arctic silver too

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wagnerrp:

sometimes they use two colors for the slots

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echosyp:

quick question about applying a patch to mythtv, iv never done it before, but i get an error saying "warning: 3 lines add whitespace errors."

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echosyp:

is that a problem

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wagnerrp:

and sometime youre supposed to populate two colors, other times youre supposed to keep them on one color

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wagnerrp:

sounds like a 'patch' error, rather than a mythtv one

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echosyp:

yeah

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wagnerrp:

if a patch on trac applies cleanly, there will be no output from 'patch'

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Beirdo:

yay. dual interleaved

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wagnerrp:

if it does not apply cleanly, youre going to have to walk it through by hand and make changes as you go

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echosyp:

hhmm

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Beirdo:

and it does have two colors come to mention it :)

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Beirdo:

a white pair and a black pair

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Beirdo:

off it goes so I don't burn myself on the heatsink/heat pipes

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echosyp:

well, im trying to configure before compiling and its telling me i need FreeType

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Beirdo:

OMG, all I smell is dust bunnies. blech

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[R]:

echosyp: so install freetype

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echosyp:

im trying to figure that out atm

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echosyp:

i just want v4l2 with my hdpvr's

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echosyp:

im just gonna downgrade ubuntu, till there is a fix

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wagnerrp:

its alive!

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echosyp:

i need to start a business so i can pay developers to work on the projects i like

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wagnerrp:

you dont need a business to contract work

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echosyp:

gotta make money to spend it

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wagnerrp:

starting your own business doesnt guarantee money

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echosyp:

jesus, you know what im saying

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wagnerrp:

:)

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echosyp:

who i gotta pay around here to get a patch committed?

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echosyp:

so i don't have to downgrade ubuntu to keep mythtv runnign

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[R]:

echosyp: put it on trac

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wagnerrp:

[R]: hes saying he wants to pay someone to backport the 2.6.38 V4L fix

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[R]:

oh

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[R]:

from 25 to 24?

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wagnerrp:

since it is not a trivial backport, or else he would have done it himself

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echosyp:

http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/9789

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echosyp:

that makes me happy

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echosyp:

so is that to say that if i grab mythtv from git right now, my problem is solved, or would i still have to patch it

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echosyp:

and why does ubuntu keep telling me i don't have freetype installed, but i do

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: definitely worth the upgrade :)

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Beirdo:

It's 64-bit compatible, the old one (SL7PR) is not

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wagnerrp:

and double the cache

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Beirdo:

yup

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Beirdo:

definitely worth the effort

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Beirdo:

oh right, still need to run a cat5

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[R]:

echosyp: i highly doubt ubunut is telling you...

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echosyp:

yeah, i suppose not

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echosyp:

might have said that differently

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: any suggestions as to disk layout (I'd like to run fully zfs)

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wagnerrp:

not an option, too old

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Beirdo:

8.2 is too old?

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Beirdo:

heh. OK

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wagnerrp:

whatever board you have strapped to that P4 is too old

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wagnerrp:

zfsboot requires GPT

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Beirdo:

hmm

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wagnerrp:

now you can fake it

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wagnerrp:

make a 512MB UFS boot partition

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Beirdo:

well, I guess it can boot from a RAID1 UFS

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wagnerrp:

that only exists to pivot over to the zfs mount

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wagnerrp:

make the same partition on both disks

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wagnerrp:

its static, so manual mirroring wont be a bit problem

[04:12:02]

wagnerrp:

but ZFS keeps a cache of what disks it knows about in the boot folder

[04:12:23]

wagnerrp:

so if you add further ZFS disks, you need to copy the cache into the boot partition

[04:12:33]

Beirdo:

ahhh

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wagnerrp:

its a bit of a nuisance, but i ran like that for... two years?

[04:12:57]

wagnerrp:

since 7.something

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Beirdo:

so three slices? boot, swap, zfs?

[04:14:12]

wagnerrp:

actually, this might work

[04:14:23]

wagnerrp:

http://wiki.freebsd.org/RootOnZFS/ZFSBootPartition

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wagnerrp:

this is the one i did formerly... http://wiki.freebsd.org/RootOnZFS/UFSBoot

[04:15:17]

wagnerrp:

and this is the one i set up this afternoon... http://wiki.freebsd.org/RootOnZFS/GPTZFSBoot/Mirror

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Beirdo:

you sure the mobo will be too old to do GPT?

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wagnerrp:

my late 2005 AMD64 board was

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wagnerrp:

give it a shot if you want

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Beirdo:

at worst, I just need to install again, right?

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wagnerrp:

but if for whatever reason, your BIOS cant find a disk to boot off of

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wagnerrp:

realize immediately that that is your problem

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Beirdo:

K

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Beirdo:

worth a try

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wagnerrp:

and dont try to repeat another four times, assuming you screwed up the first

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

hmmm, fixit doesn't seem to have GPT

[04:19:44]

Beirdo:

gpart rather

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wagnerrp:

more likely the fixit shell you are using is less than full featured

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Beirdo:

I grabbed a boot-only CD

[04:20:04]

Beirdo:

yeah

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wagnerrp:

what install ISO did you pick?

[04:20:14]

wagnerrp:

yeah, grab the livefs image

[04:20:20]

wagnerrp:

only 350MB or so

[04:20:47]

wagnerrp:

also note that you will have to manually download the relevant packages

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Beirdo:

yeah, I sense a lot of RTing of TMs :)

[04:21:17]

Beirdo:

FMs rather

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wagnerrp:

look in ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/amd64/8.2-RELEASE/

[04:21:49]

wagnerrp:

the livefs has a copy of 'ftp'

[04:21:56]

wagnerrp:

so just go into the folder, and 'mget *'

[04:22:26]

wagnerrp:

you can skip ports, proflibs, and games, but youll want the rest

[04:23:30]

wagnerrp:

well as mentioned, i went through this just a few hours ago

[04:23:37]

wagnerrp:

so any questions youve got, i probably have an answer

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Beirdo:

cool. amd64 works for the P4?

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wagnerrp:

should

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Beirdo:

K, it is a 64-bit one :)

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ahughes:

hey, what is the name/feature/standard that the motherboard needs to to support so that myth can 'wake' at a certain time to start recording? I need to see if my m'board supports it... and is there a way to test for this?

[04:26:38]

wagnerrp:

ACPI wake

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wagnerrp:

any motherboard from the last 15 years should have it

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ahughes:

really? last 15 years you say...

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wagnerrp:

something like that, anything that implements ACPI

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ahughes:

my pc might not make it to the bin just yet!

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wagnerrp:

now having it, and having it work are two completely different matters

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wagnerrp:

shoddy firmware may sink you

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ahughes:

oh well... at least it won't cost me much if the answer is no.

[04:29:05]

ahughes:

TIAS I guess.

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Beirdo:

15min left on the download.

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ahughes:

thanks wagnerrp :)

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wagnerrp:

i just dont see the purpose of having a backend start up automatically

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Hoochster:

So I decided to go with Natty for this new build and have an NVIDIA GT430 I am trying to doing HDMI Audio on heh, seems to be an issue, anyone found any workarounds?

[04:35:45]

wagnerrp:

are you using ubuntu or mythbuntu?

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Hoochster:

mythbuntu

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Hoochster:

does it make a difference on that part of it?

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wagnerrp:

yes

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Hoochster:

lovely

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wagnerrp:

mythbuntu ships without pulseaudio

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wagnerrp:

you dont want pulseaudio

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Hoochster:

ahhh

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Hoochster:

ya always recall that being evil

[04:36:45]

Hoochster:

so ya don't think it is there so that is a good thing

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wagnerrp:

were you running ubuntu, i would tell you to remove pulseaudio and try again

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echosyp:

whats wrong with it?

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Hoochster:

heh

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wagnerrp:

echosyp: its wholly unnecessary

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Hoochster:

so much for the easy fix! :)

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wagnerrp:

the user interface may have left much to desire, but the inner workings worked pretty well

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echosyp:

the latest ubuntu doesn't ship with pulseaudio does it?

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Hoochster:

any other idears wagnerrp from searching it seems to be fairly common problem something to do with the restricted drivers

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wagnerrp:

while pulseaudio adds all sorts of problems, such as lack of passthrough, and audio lag

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wagnerrp:

if youre running the official nvidia drivers you shouldnt have a problem

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Hoochster:

guess I could see if there are some beta ones that are newer to try

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wagnerrp:

i dont believe the nvidia drivers have anything to do with audio anyway

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Hoochster:

well it is the audio from the hdmi from the vid card

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wagnerrp:

i think audio access is through the standard HDA implementation in ALSA

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wagnerrp:

open source

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wagnerrp:

the video card exposes itself as an HDA compatible sound card

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Hoochster:

ya

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Hoochster:

welp beta drivers didn't work as you suspected heh

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: what happened to your P4-D?

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wagnerrp:

basically, wondering why you would choose a 3GHz single core over a 2.8GHz dual core

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Beirdo:

the Pentium D is my LP ripping box

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Beirdo:

this was a free machine (and CPU) from work

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wagnerrp:

free until you get the AC bill

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wagnerrp:

:P

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Beirdo:

actually, I don't do AC... and it's nice and quiet and not too hot (yet)

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Beirdo:

Dell definitely knows their stuff

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wagnerrp:

presumably their server stuff is better than their consumer?

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wagnerrp:

all the consumer stuff ive seen is pretty much crap

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wagnerrp:

i should update my jails on this update cycle

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wagnerrp:

most of them are still back using a 7.1 userland

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Hoochster:

arggghhh

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Hoochster:

bout to give up on natty heh

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: OK, got as far as creating all the zfs mounts

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Beirdo:

then it says cd /dist/8.0-* which doesn't exist on my live cd setup

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Hoochster:

ok I give, Mythbuntu Natty is going in the trash

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lwizardl:

hello

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lwizardl:

would mythbuntu be supported here also ?

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Beirdo:

hmmm

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Beirdo:

I think I might just have to try this again tomorrow

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Beirdo:

and maybe find a cat5 cable that ISN'T busted might help too

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Hoochster:

for the most part lwizardl

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Hoochster:

but they do have thier own channel but peeps here are more active

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lwizardl:

yeah I asked in there a few times

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lwizardl:

I can get most of the system working, and my remote is auto configured nicely (Ati Remote)

[06:28:02]

lwizardl:

but the issue seems to be that I can not get my screen to fill the full display properly it just does a 4:3 type in the center

[06:32:51]

lwizardl:

ok 480i worked to fill most of the screen

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lwizardl:

ok so this is the closest I have to ever getting a working mythtv setup

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lwizardl:

which I will blame on my hardware choices and not on the software

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Hoochster:

guess natty got scared, while I was grabbing mav I just happened to move onto testing some xbmc stuff and started hearing audio lol so my changes worked heh but the wav files weren't playing lol

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lwizardl:

hehe

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lwizardl:

Hoochster, you still here

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lwizardl:

?

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lwizardl:

my Hardware for cards is a Kworld ATSC110, a DVB card, and a firewire cable to a comcast rng110 hd box

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trumee:

I am playing a xvid video using MythVideo and Backend is consuming 19% cpu which is more than FE. is that normal?

[07:23:27]

clever:

trumee: which process is it going to?, check top

[07:23:31]

trumee:

There is nothing obvious in the BE log.

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trumee:

clever: top is saying mythbackend 17%

[07:24:23]

clever:

ah, no idea why it would be needing so much

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trumee:

clever: this is the FE log, http://www.pastie.org/1937143

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trumee:

clever: I see there is a warning, AFD: No DTS Seeking Hack!, could it be that?

[07:29:46]

clever:

dont think that could be related

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trumee:

clever: or is it because of VDPAU.

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clever:

vdpau should massively reduce cpu usage

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clever:

but backend side, it should have no effect at all

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trumee:

clever: it seems that if i play avi file then it shoots up the cpu of BE

[07:31:15]

clever:

all avi files or just that one file?

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trumee:

clever: this is what i was playing, http://www.pastie.org/1937150

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trumee:

clever: i had this behaviour on two avi files i tried

[07:33:08]

clever:

nothing stands out to me

[07:36:21]

trumee:

clever: ah, it seems it happens on all avi files

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: booted fine using GPT :) YAY

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trumee:

clever: i tried chaning the audio device, but it made no difference :(

[08:00:12]

clever:

changing the audio device shouldnt have any effect

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trumee:

clever: is there any way i can get a more sensible log as to why BE is being affected?

[08:00:25]

clever:

thats completely unrelated to the problem

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trumee:

clever: problem is that the video plays well for some time and then freezing starts to happen

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trumee:

clever, this video works absolutely fine!, http://www.pastie.org/1937219

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trumee:

clever: is my video encoding at fault here?

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trumee:

clever: is it worth creating a bug report for this?

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trumee:

Is it possible to use mplayer to play avi files in Mythvideo-0.24 (considering it is using Storage groups)

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Kelerion:

morning peeps

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clever:

trumee: you would have to nfs mount the FS to read it in mplayer

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trumee:

clever: the BE/FE is the same system

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trumee:

clever: i only have Storage groups defined in the BE. do i need to specify anything else in BE to see files in FE.

[08:54:19]

trumee:

With storage groups FE provides myth://Videos@ like urls which wont work with mythvideo

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trumee:

sorry with mplayer

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clever:

if the files are on the local system, you dont have to do anything special in mythtv

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clever:

just tell mythvideo to give the local path to mplayer

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trumee:

thanks

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trumee:

and this is valid in 0.24?

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trumee:

mythtv.org seems to be down

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rileyp:

does jamu run automaticly in myth 0.24 or do i need to add a cron job?

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trumee:

clever: didnt work with mplayer

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trumee:

clever: No stream found to handle url myth://Videos@127.0.0.1:6543/file.avi

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clever:

mythvideo needs to be told to give a local path, not sure how though

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trumee:

clever: are you sure it works with 0.24 as well?

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trumee:

clever: in mythvideo settings, i specified the folders with videos. But still mplayer is not getting the local video name

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k-man:

i noticed hdhomerun seems to be owned by a new company how

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iamlindoro:

nope, same company as ever

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iamlindoro:

Could be you are thinking about their partnership with Hauppauge to distribute HDHR products through their retail pipeline?

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k-man:

http://www.hdhomerun.com.au/ says they are owned by kaiserbass now

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GreyFoxx:

Sweet, I think I have the SG writing problem fixed

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GreyFoxx:

From within MSocketDevice::connect I was calling "setSocket()" foolishly expecting it to call MSocketDevice::setSocket()..... but in fact it was calling MythSocket::setSocket which called MSocketDevice::setSocket AND did other crap. the other crap was breaking the writes

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iamlindoro:

k-man, They may have a new distributor in Australia, but the HDHR is and has always been made by SiliconDust

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iamlindoro:

(http://www.silicondust.com/)

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iamlindoro:

k-man, Indeed, it does appear to just be a reseller relationship: http://www.silicondust.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9419 (third post in the thread is by an SD employee)

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mycosys:

randy savage died

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wagnerrp:

who is randy savage?

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: i suppose that makes sense, Intel started the whole GPT/EFI thing didnt they?

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Kelerion:

urgh...son in laws 21st today... too much organisation

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Kelerion:

I think I need a siesta

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wagnerrp:

better do it quick, its his last day on earth

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wagnerrp:

oh no... whois says youre in spain

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wagnerrp:

only two more hours to go

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Kelerion:

am having his BBQ in 5 hours!

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wagnerrp:

(in the event you dont know what im talking about, some nut over here calculated the end of the world from the bible to be 6pm today)

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wagnerrp:

'course the bible doesnt mention time zone

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wagnerrp:

so its more of a travelling wave of rapture, sweeping the world at 1000mph

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Kelerion:

that works out ok... no chistmas pressings to buy this year

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Kelerion:

presents

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mycosys:

nah wagnerrp world already ended 7 hours ago

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mycosys:

i was working on the car – what a way to go

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mycosys:

happily kfc survived an i had that for dinner

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wagnerrp:

says you, it hasnt hit here yet

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mycosys:

they said it would be local time

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mycosys:

isnt even the 21st anymore

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wagnerrp:

why wouldnt it be eastern mediterranean time or something?

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wagnerrp:

that would make the most sense

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mycosys:

anyway – all the saints cant have ascended – my linux boxen are still here

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mycosys:

dunno – does it have to make sense

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mycosys:

i mean – it is xtians

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mycosys:

and the nuttiest of em

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kitch8518:

I'm currently running 0.24 fixes (v0.24.1-1-g347cd24) and I'm having horizontal scaling issues on some channels and some dvd iso files. There are small borders appearing on the left and right of the screen. Prime example was today whilst watching the F1 Qualifying. Full screen whilst it was showing the action from one of the trackside cameras, but as soon as it shifted to on board, the borders appeared and then went again when it went to tracksid

[15:18:27]

kitch8518:

e camera. Another example is on BBC News. The ticker tape headline at the bottom was full screen, yet the actual film shot of the studio had the border. Same on iso files, but again not all. The actual frontend GUI is perfect on every screen, it's just appearing on playback.

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wagnerrp:

kitch8518: got a screenshot?

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wagnerrp:

sounds like the broadcaster is just expecting they will be shown on tvs that overscan

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wagnerrp:

and as such underscan their signal to match

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kitch8518:

i too thought it may be down to the broadcaster but wondered why it would appear on dvd's too. give me 2 mins to get a screenshot

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wagnerrp:

if you are using the software decoder, mythtv has code that is supposed to detect letter and pilarboxing

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wagnerrp:

and scale the content accordingly

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wagnerrp:

it may have something to do with that

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kitch8518:

i'm not aware of any decoder that i may be using. just the latest nvidia prop drivers on Aspect Ratio rather than GPU scaling

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kitch8518:

struggling to get screenshot from mythtv unfortunately

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sphery:

wagnerrp: sounds pretty nice--I'm guessing that's one of the desktop Fusion chips (which has much less amazing TDP numbers)

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sphery:

(the 1.9 quad with turbo to 2.6 one you mentioned)

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kitch8518:

one other thing that doesn't seem to working is the aspect ratio overide. I've set that to 16:9 but any 4:3 programmes still have the huge borders. only way i can now get rid of those is by doing a H Stretch whilst playing the file

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kitch8518:

only really noticed it the last few days – only change i've made recently was installing mythtnetvision but wouldn't have thought that that would be the issue. guess i can purge netvision and test

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sphery:

kitch8518: you shouldn't ever use an aspect ratio override--aspect ratio override says, "I want you to pretend my screen is a different shape."

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sphery:

what you want is to enable a zoom mode for the 4:3 content so it's stretched to take up more screen (either a horizontal zoom to make people short and fat or a "half" or "full" zoom to cut off the tops of their heads)

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sphery:

but you /must/ properly configure X to tell it what shape your physical display is: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Display_Size

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sphery:

and, possibly http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Specifying_DPI_for_NVIDIA_Cards

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sphery:

and then disable all the aspect ratio overrides

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sphery:

TTBOMK, the only reason aspect ratio override exists is because some people didn't know how to configure X in the past, so now it's there to confuse new users

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kitch8518:

thanks sphery, i'll change that to Off.

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kitch8518:

Just noticed that the borders appear on the programme screenshot in the preview window too, so guess it's a recording issue

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sphery:

well, your recording will record what's transmitted

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sphery:

what type of capture device are you using?

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kitch8518:

nova-td500

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kitch8518:

again with the latest properiarty drivers

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sphery:

ah, ok, so it's using digital capture, meaning that what you see is what's broadcast

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kitch8518:

fair enough but why would it now be starting to appear on my dvd iso files?

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kitch8518:

again not all of them and not as noticeable but there all the same.

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sphery:

DVDs are meant to be played on systems that overscan video, as wagnerrp mentioned

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sphery:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Overscan talks a bit about overscan

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kitch8518:

ok thanks

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sphery:

but basically, you're not supposed to see the edges--they're supposed to be "behind the bezel" of your display

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sphery:

so, you can either set up a no-overscan system and get used to seeing the ragged edges

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sphery:

or you can add overscan and cut off those edges--but also cut off a little bit of content on material with clean edges

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kitch8518:

just what i was about to say :)

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kitch8518:

just thought that something must have changed though as i've never had the issue before. maybe i just didn't spot it

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sphery:

there are also filters--such as the crop filter--that can be used to cut off the edges during playback

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sphery:

unfortunately, MythTV's filters haven't gotten much attention, so they may not be great

[15:48:27]

sphery:

I know the crop filter only allows you to crop off edges in multiples of 8-pixels at a time

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sphery:

http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-10.html#ss10.4 , under "Currently Available Filters" and, specifically, "The 'crop' filter"

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kitch8518:

thanks.

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sphery:

wonder if it would be possible with OpenGL and/or VDPAU playback to create a new "add black bar" filter that adds a bar of any size on top of the edge of the video....

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kitch8518:

well after some more testing i don't actually think it's a mythtv issue anyway. i've just put same dvd into my blu-ray player and have the border there too. i recently re-set my amp to factory settings so guess i've now figured out my problem. thanks for your help guys and apols for being a muppet lol

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sphery:

heh, glad you figured it out

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trumee:

i am playing an avi file and mythfrontend is consistently showing Player(0): Waited 100ms for video buffers AuLAUAUUAUUAAAAAAAAAUAAUUAAUAAu

[16:15:01]

trumee:

if anybody followed my discussion with clever earlier in the day, my BE cpu shoots up when i try to play this avi file

[16:15:32]

trumee:

could this be a problem with the avi file rather than mythtv?

[16:16:05]

trumee:

if i play the video with mplayer i get a [mpeg4 @ 0x8935fe0]Invalid and inefficient vfw-avi packed B frames detected

[16:17:06]

trumee:

http://www.pastie.org/1937150 is the video data

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trumee:

wagnerrp: any idea?

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awalls:

"Invalid and inefficient vfw-avi packed B frames detected" implies that mplayer knows about some Windows non-compliance that other players may not know about.

[16:19:41]

wagnerrp:

the video requires too much power for your cpu, and the decoder is crying out in pain

[16:20:23]

trumee:

wagnerrp: but the cpu usage is only 10% FE and 10% BE ?

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wagnerrp:

640x272?

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** awalls confirms with the Google that "vfw" stands for "Video for Windows" **

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wagnerrp:

im guessing a bad AVI index

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wagnerrp:

considering its reporting a length of 341 seconds

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trumee:

right. time to delete the video then

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wagnerrp:

i would just keep it as an ISO next time

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wagnerrp:

there are tools that will rebuild a broken AVI index

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wagnerrp:

you could try that

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trumee:

wagnerrp: i tried mythcommflag --rebuild --video file.avi, that didnt help

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wagnerrp:

no, that is not what mythcommflag does

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wagnerrp:

and is likely to just cause more porblems

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awalls:

Interesting post about how B-frames in AVI's are a bit of a hack: http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=80430

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wagnerrp:

just about everything in AVIs is a bit of a hack

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awalls:

:)

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wagnerrp:

as the spec is defined, theyre really very limited

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wagnerrp:

everything theyre used for these days is hacked on capability outside the specs

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wagnerrp:

which is why they break so often

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wagnerrp:

and why you shouldnt use them when ripping next time

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trumee:

is there any tool in linux which can correct this issue?

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wagnerrp:

i know VLC will rebuild indexes, at least in windows

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wagnerrp:

i imagine there are plenty others that will as well

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trumee:

avidemux i hope can do that

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awalls:

Why not just re-rip from the source to a container type other than AVI?

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trumee:

dont have the source any more, it was a video i got 5 years ago

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awalls:

Ah.

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sphery:

wouldn't that mean you no longer own a license to the video?

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trumee:

funny thing is that i probably used mencoder (as the metadata states) and mplayer is complaing about it :)

[16:35:32]

sphery:

has anyone gotten MythTV working on http://bellard.org/jslinux/tech.html

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sphery:

wagnerrp: the perfect frontend? ^^^

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sphery:

MythTV in any browser... ;)

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wagnerrp:

hehe

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wagnerrp:

well its text only, so you need whatever that ascii video library is

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awalls:

"The CPU is close to a 486 compatible x86 without FPU." woo-hoo!

[16:36:36]

sphery:

aalib unless it will do color--then caca

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wagnerrp:

ah, caca

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wagnerrp:

knew it was something like that

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awalls:

StarWars Epsidoe I looked better rendered in libaa's greyscale than in libcaca's color.

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sphery:

So, web tech keeps moving from client to server and back... Most recently, web 1.0 was server side processing, now web 2.0 is doing all sorts of things client side in JS (requiring ever more powerful CPUs on the, now, thick client). Guess this means that now they can start giving you the cloud inside your browser... Just starts up a few linux kernels in your browser so the cloud companies don't have to build these huge server farms.

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awalls:

The point is to give the companies money, while the companies themselves decrease the amount they have to spend.

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sphery:

exactly

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wagnerrp:

so... you pay for the ability to run the server locally, for increased responsiveness?

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awalls:

Shhh! Don't tell everyone! ;)

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sphery:

heh

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** awalls ponders Amazon's new "Java cloud" service. **

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wagnerrp:

http://gawker.com/5803843

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tgm4883:

I just saw that Angry birds and Linux can run in the browser. How do I get the MythTV frontend to run in the browser?

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[R]:

lol

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Some_Person:

This is offtopic, but is there a good HTPC app that shows content from a lot of places in one nice interface (ala Boxee before the media companies killed it)?

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Darksynz:

can i just use firewire to view tv with mythtv instead of using a capture card

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sphery:

Some_Person: as far as MythTV goes, I think http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythNetvision would be the closest equivalent

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Some_Person:

I'm not really using MythTV

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Darksynz:

is firewire going to be easy to setup with mythtv?

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sphery:

Darksynz: it's usable if you have a set-top box that provides unencrypted video via firewire, but I don't know anything about it (including how hard it is to set up)

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sphery:

it's definitely very much provider-specific--i.e. you get only what your cable co allows

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sphery:

Darksynz: see http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/FireWire + http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Category:Firewire_Priming_Scripts + http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Category:Channel_Change_Scripts

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sphery:

wagnerrp: do you know if anyone has tested what happens when you compile MythTV against a system whose libs were built with pre-2.6.38 kernel headers (and, therefore, has /usr/include/linux/videodev.h as well as videodev2.h), but that's running a 2.6.38 kernel? I'm assuming that you'll get failures at runtime if you attempt to use the V4L1 to access capture cards, but wondered if you've seen any specific mention of what happens

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Darksynz:

that you sphery. I'm actually looking in to purchasing a hauppauge hvr 1600

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Darksynz:

28 bucks. should work well yeah?

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wagnerrp:

$28 for a 1600? where exactly?

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wagnerrp:

sphery: i dont know much about the issue

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wagnerrp:

im still running 2.6.36

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Darksynz:

looks like i can get it on ebay

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Darksynz:

guy in the same state, next town

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Darksynz:

im in seattle

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lwizardl:

heres this for 55 http://cgi.ebay.com/Huappauge-Hauppauge-WinTV . . . em2a0c12bcbc

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Darksynz:

also, on craigslist, i see a hauppauge 1212 for 150 bucks

[19:04:32]

Darksynz:

tempted to get the pvr 1212 but i dont want to spend 150 bucks

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Darksynz:

its crazy, tv tuners are kinda played out. Its amazing these are still this much

[19:06:43]

wagnerrp:

1212?

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Darksynz:

yeah holdon,..

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wagnerrp:

you mean the 'HDPVR'

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Darksynz:

Hauppauge 1212 HD-PVR High Definition Personal Video Recorder – $150

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Darksynz:

yes

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wagnerrp:

no one calls it the 1212

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[R]:

and no one calls it the pvr 1212

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wagnerrp:

except idiots on ebay

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Darksynz:

im sorry, i dont know enough about them

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Darksynz:

i just want something that works with linux

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** tgm4883 removes his ebay listing of the pvr 1212 **

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Darksynz:

right now im using windows 7 enterprise.. works well.. but i dont want windows

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wagnerrp:

1212 is the internal part number

[19:10:08]

wagnerrp:

and unless you are trying to hash out different revisions of a specific part

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Darksynz:

this whole tv tuner card and myth is the only thing stopping me from using linux all the time

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wagnerrp:

is of no worth to the consumer

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Darksynz:

well..

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Darksynz:

here is the thing..

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Darksynz:

im the guy that had like 8 ati cards that didn't work

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Darksynz:

now, hauppauge should work with myth

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Darksynz:

so any cheap on i can get, ill buy

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wagnerrp:

what are you intending to record?

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Darksynz:

i have basic channels right now anyway

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Darksynz:

wagnerrp,..

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wagnerrp:

just analog cable straight off the cable line?

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Darksynz:

i dont really record. I download movies off bit torrent.. but I just want to watch tv

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Darksynz:

on linux

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wagnerrp:

well then we cant help you

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** tgm4883 sighs **

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Darksynz:

why?

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lwizardl:

Darksynz, i did that bought a cheap card and have been having nothing but trouble. i would recommend buying a good well supported model for what you want to use it for

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tgm4883:

why do people insist on doing that crap

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Darksynz:

because its a tough economy and tv cards are like 160 bucks

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wagnerrp:

because... "Darksynz> i dont really record. I download movies off bit torrent"

[19:12:47]

Darksynz:

and nobody needs a 160 buck card

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lwizardl:

Darksynz, any nvidia card should be able to display on your tv. from there your on your own

[19:13:00]

Darksynz:

i would rather buy one for 60 bucks and watch tv on linux

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tgm4883:

Darksynz, is it because you are cheap, poor, or you don't give a f about people

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Darksynz:

tgm4883 its not about that.. the tv tuner cards are outdated..

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Darksynz:

ok, ..

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Darksynz:

back in wmc2005..

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tgm4883:

ok

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Darksynz:

it was a good idea. nowdays, nobody hardly has tv tuner cards

[19:14:05]

wagnerrp:

you are trying to buy a tuner card?

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tgm4883:

Darksynz, err, no?

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Darksynz:

they shouldn't be as expensive as they are

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tgm4883:

Darksynz, thats backwards logic

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Darksynz:

how so?

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tgm4883:

more mass adoption leads to smaller prices, not the other way around

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wagnerrp:

if they are outdated, what has replaced them?

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lwizardl:

the more people buy the higher the profit levels so they get cheaper. the less people buy the higher they need to charge to make profit

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Darksynz:

whats replaced them? Tivo, and other dvr's supplied by cable companie

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Darksynz:

s

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tgm4883:

Darksynz, ...

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wagnerrp:

so embedded PCs with tuner cards

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lwizardl:

LOL

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Darksynz:

MOST, of the population has no idea of tv tuner cards

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wagnerrp:

most of the population had no idea of tv tuner cards five years ago

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wagnerrp:

nothing has changed

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tgm4883:

Darksynz, so let me get this straight. You think hobbies are cheap?

[19:15:57]

Darksynz:

no, you go out downtown and ask someone about a tv tuner card and they have no idea

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Darksynz:

I get everyones point of view ok?

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Darksynz:

im not here to dispute

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lwizardl:

Darksynz, most of the population don't know how to work a computer. so would they be outdated

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tgm4883:

Darksynz, you get everybodys point of view. You just don't understand some things

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Darksynz:

sure,..

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Darksynz:

i dont understand, which is why im here trying to figure out which damn card will work

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lwizardl:

ok so I have a Kworld ATSC110 card that I am trying to get working for Cable tv and then OTA. anyone here use these cards before and would be able to help me out

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Darksynz:

because i've had so many

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tgm4883:

it really doesn't matter if you get everyones point of view if you compare apples to oranges. Not all tv tuner cards are created equal

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Darksynz:

so.. will this pvr 1212 or "whatever its called" work

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Darksynz:

or the aforementioned card work

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Darksynz:

?

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wagnerrp:

what do you want to record?

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Darksynz:

without spending 12 hours to setup

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tgm4883:

Darksynz, it depends on what you want to do with it

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Darksynz:

and everyone keeps asking me about recording..

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Darksynz:

i just want to watch live tv

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echosyp:

quick question, i compiled mythtv last night with my fix, but now its telling me http://pastebin.ca/2066333

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Darksynz:

like wmc

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tgm4883:

Darksynz, yes, that is recording

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Darksynz:

ok..

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Darksynz:

so im recording anything it can pick up

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Darksynz:

i dont care, i only really watch one channel

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wagnerrp:

Darksynz: mythtv doesnt allow watching tv, it allows recording

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Darksynz:

i just want to know if it willwork

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wagnerrp:

you may watch a recording, as it is recording

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wagnerrp:

so again, what do you intend to record

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wagnerrp:

you said analog cable, straight off the coaxial line?

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Darksynz:

no, its through a set top box..

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wagnerrp:

SD or HD?

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Darksynz:

to my current ati 650 pro diamond card

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tgm4883:

Darksynz, do you want to record HD?

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echosyp:

wagnerrp: can i remove pulse audio from ubuntu without it breaking

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Darksynz:

i downgraded..

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Darksynz:

no hd right now

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tgm4883:

Darksynz, so you don't need the HDPVR

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tgm4883:

you really just need somethign like a PVR150

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Darksynz:

i know, but will it work until i upgrade to hd

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wagnerrp:

if you want SD, then pick up a cheap PVR-150, and be done with it

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tgm4883:

which you can get off ebay

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Darksynz:

pvr150 isn't in my area

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Darksynz:

i dont want to wait 7 days to get it in the mail

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echosyp:

thats why god invented online stores

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Darksynz:

i need something else

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echosyp:

overnight shipping?

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Darksynz:

yeah, God inventend online stores.. nice tough

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wagnerrp:

then go to a store, and purchase a HVR-1600 or HVR-2250

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tgm4883:

Darksynz, you are starting to have seemingly unreasonable demands/requiring explainations of things that it's obvious you didn't even try to research

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Darksynz:

2250 is 124 bucks

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wagnerrp:

yes it is

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Darksynz:

why would someone spend that much

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Darksynz:

??

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wagnerrp:

so they can build a DVR

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echosyp:

i spent $400 on two hdpvrs

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tgm4883:

Darksynz, because most people aren't thieves and know the value of items

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Darksynz:

i need more information about myth and why 1274 is necessary

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echosyp:

cause im impatient

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wagnerrp:

1274?

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Darksynz:

whats the worth?

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lwizardl:

why would someone spend $200 for a blueray player ? for a good quality hardware

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tgm4883:

Darksynz, $124

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Darksynz:

its a tv tuner card like the ati's that arent supported

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Darksynz:

to me its just a card. so 124 bucks isnt the way to go

[19:23:09]

echosyp:

i'll sell you two pchd5500's

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wagnerrp:

Darksynz: the Theater HD 650 works just fine... for digital

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Darksynz:

i have, ati cards that are better and cheaper

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wagnerrp:

for analog, theyre junk

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Darksynz:

but not supported

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tgm4883:

Darksynz, do you understand why a Ford Mustang costs more than a ford focus?

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echosyp:

heh

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tgm4883:

Darksynz, the ati card is not better

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mycosys:

darksynz – you are a dead set moron

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mycosys:

seriously – i hope you are trolling, if not i feel sorry for your family, and beg you not to reproduce

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echosyp:

thats not nice

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echosyp:

still funny though

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mycosys:

and i hope you are too lazy, not just too stupid, to google

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echosyp:

thats better

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lwizardl:

why not just buy a hdhomerun unit and call it a day

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mycosys:

somebody had to say it

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lwizardl:

like this http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-HDHomerun-Networked-H . . . em230458cf96

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Darksynz:

actually...

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Darksynz:

i sold cars for ford

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mycosys:

i recommend the linuxtv wiki

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Darksynz:

and i know the difference between a focus and mustang

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mycosys:

they deal with tuners

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Darksynz:

however.. we aren't talking about cars

[19:26:08]

Darksynz:

but tv tuners

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mycosys:

mythtv has no tuner support

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Darksynz:

thats to bad because windows does

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echosyp:

are the hdhomeruns worth a shit?

[19:26:29]

Darksynz:

ok

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mycosys:

no it doesnt

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mycosys:

not a single one

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tgm4883:

Darksynz, did you seriously just compare an operating system to an application?

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Darksynz:

ok, so what is windows doing differently that linux doesmt

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tgm4883:

echosyp, yes

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tgm4883:

Darksynz, please just stop, you make my brain hurt

[19:27:15]

Darksynz:

then stop talking to me asshole

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mycosys:

wow

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mycosys:

just..... wow

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Darksynz:

i just want to know, like i asked before..

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echosyp:

im basically trying to add as many tuners to one box as the box will support

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tgm4883:

Darksynz, man I wish this was the mythbuntu channel

[19:27:40]

Darksynz:

will the cards that i mentioned work with myth

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echosyp:

for hd

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Darksynz:

thats it

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wagnerrp:

echosyp: please watch your language

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echosyp:

my bad

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Darksynz:

its a buying help decision

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tgm4883:

wagnerrp, just bounce this guy

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Darksynz:

thats all

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wagnerrp:

Darksynz: microsoft and windows do not support tuner cards

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wagnerrp:

they have a tuner API

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mycosys:

darksynz – check linuxtv – we dont support tuners

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mycosys:

nor do mZ$

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wagnerrp:

hardware developers write drivers to support the API

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mycosys:

*m$

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mycosys:

the app developers do the same

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wagnerrp:

so here on linux, we get no such support from the hardware developers

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tgm4883:

mycosys, is mZ$ the New Zealand branch?

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wagnerrp:

so youre stuck with what the community is able to produce

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mycosys:

lol was thinking dutch

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wagnerrp:

and the handful of manufacturers that do support, like silicondust or pchdtv

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tgm4883:

ah right, if it was New Zealand there would need to be a Kiwi in there

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wagnerrp:

or hauppauge who has several developers active in the linux community

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wagnerrp:

if you want to rant about how we dont support all of your existing tuners

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wagnerrp:

we dont want to hear it, because were not going to do a damn thing to fix it

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Darksynz:

i understand all that. I need a yes or a no to this question. If i purchase this hauppauge pvr 1212 "or whatever everyone says it is" or this hvr 1600.. can i capture video and sound

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Darksynz:

thats all i want to know

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wagnerrp:

there is no 'pvr 1212'

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mycosys:

if you want your existing tuners supported – hire a developer

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tgm4883:

Darksynz, yes, the pvr 1212 (HDPVR) will capture picture and sound

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mycosys:

shouldnt cost you more than 20k

[19:30:47]

wagnerrp:

if you want standard definition, get a PVR-150/500 or HVR-1600/2250

[19:30:52]

wagnerrp:

if you want high definition, get an HDPVR

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echosyp:

get one of each

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tgm4883:

wagnerrp, well digital cards would do HD as well

[19:31:20]

tgm4883:

but we probably shouldn't try to explain that

[19:31:43]

wagnerrp:

there are a handful of other standard definition capture devices that are not hauppauge parts and are also supported

[19:31:54]

wagnerrp:

you can find a list at ivtvdriver.org, but theyre fairly uncommon

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tgm4883:

Darksynz, just go down to best buy, grab a HDPVR and walk out the door without paying for it

[19:33:08]

wagnerrp:

just like all those movies?

[19:33:27]

tgm4883:

don't forget a skimask, because being anonymous makes it ok

[19:33:31]

tgm4883:

wagnerrp, yea

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Darksynz:

thats a great idea idiot.

[19:34:13]

Darksynz:

im sure you've done it several times

[19:34:16]

echosyp:

its not a bad one

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tgm4883:

Darksynz, you already said you are ok with it, why am I the idiot?

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echosyp:

they legally can't stop you

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wagnerrp:

echosyp: eh?

[19:34:48]

echosyp:

if you were to try and walk out of best buy, their employees are not allowed to touch you

[19:34:59]

wagnerrp:

not allowed by store policy

[19:35:04]

wagnerrp:

law doesnt factor in anywhere

[19:35:19]

tgm4883:

wagnerrp, you guys are a lot nicer in this channel. Is it because it's a slow saturday

[19:35:54]

echosyp:

ah, touche

[19:36:00]

wagnerrp:

nah, i figure the rapture will get him anyway

[19:36:02]

wagnerrp:

:)

[19:36:05]

tgm4883:

heh

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echosyp:

i doubt that guy is going to even care that he was wrong, prolly won't even remember what he said actually

[19:36:51]

tgm4883:

Darksynz, so in short, buy a HDPVR

[19:37:24]

echosyp:

unless your running ubuntu 11.04

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tgm4883:

echosyp, but what if he is right? Did you stock up on firearms in case of zombie appocalypse?

[19:37:39]

echosyp:

i live in texas

[19:37:44]

** wagnerrp has a cabinet in the basement **

[19:37:45]

echosyp:

guns are never that far away

[19:37:47]

tgm4883:

oh so you already have guns

[19:38:05]

tgm4883:

echosyp, if you are on 11.04, you need to bug the mythtv guys to backport the fix to 0.24 ;)

[19:38:21]

tgm4883:

I would try to do it, but mythtv isn't written in python

[19:38:23]

echosyp:

tgm4883: actually the fix is for .24

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echosyp:

i have it and it works, but now im getting alsa errors

[19:38:49]

echosyp:

so iv been looking into taht

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wagnerrp:

for output? should be unrelated

[19:38:55]

tgm4883:

echosyp, no it's in master. I didn't see it get backported

[19:39:24]

echosyp:

it says i didn't compile alsa support in with mythtv

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tgm4883:

mythbuntu has a patch for it, but it's apparently not the greatest as you get audio scanning errors I hear

[19:39:36]

echosyp:

but i didn't explicitly exclude it

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tgm4883:

echosyp, odd, what do the builds say?

[19:39:47]

tgm4883:

IIRC that should be in the build logs

[19:40:05]

tgm4883:

that can happen if you don't have the right build deps

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echosyp:

which means id have to recompile after satisfying that dep, if thats the case

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tgm4883:

yep

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echosyp:

that shit took all night

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** wagnerrp mentions language again **

[19:41:26]

echosyp:

sorry, i don't notice it

[19:41:29]

tgm4883:

yea you should see 'ALSA support yes' in the build logs

[19:41:57]

tgm4883:

wagnerrp, what the proper procedure for requesting a backport?

[19:42:05]

tgm4883:

supplying said patch?

[19:42:13]

wagnerrp:

heh.. procedure? request?

[19:42:46]

tgm4883:

so do it yourself and file a bug then?

[19:43:00]

wagnerrp:

would be a decent method

[19:43:05]

tgm4883:

ok

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wagnerrp:

we really dont have a procedure

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wagnerrp:

backporting is really up to the discretion of the dev who would be doing it

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tgm4883:

ah

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tgm4883:

wagnerrp, any news on 0.25?

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wagnerrp:

nope

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lwizardl:

ok so I have a Kworld ATSC110 card that I am trying to get working for Cable tv and then OTA. anyone here use these cards before and would be able to help me out

[19:45:50]

wagnerrp:

when do you guys need it for 11.10?

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tgm4883:

ALSA support yes

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tgm4883:

err

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tgm4883:

August 11th

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wagnerrp:

well that would really need a feature freeze in the next month

[19:48:00]

tgm4883:

so i'm guessing the 6–8 month release cycles didn't work out?

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tgm4883:

wagnerrp, is there really going to be a 0.24.2? http://code.mythtv.org/trac/roadmap

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tgm4883:

wagnerrp, from my POV, according to the 0.25 release notes you guys have done quite a bit of work on 0.25, enough for a FF. But IDK what your criteria is for making that cut

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wagnerrp:

tgm4883: realistically, there was no need for a 0.24.1

[20:02:01]

wagnerrp:

its only there for the convenience of distros that prefer a tarball release

[20:02:08]

wagnerrp:

so if we do a 0.24.2, it will be for the same reasons

[20:02:21]

wagnerrp:

as for 0.25, if it were up to me, we would probably never release

[20:02:36]

wagnerrp:

i have a bad tendancy to continue piling more and more stuff on as needed

[20:02:49]

tgm4883:

wagnerrp, ok then, lets not leave it up to you then

[20:02:56]

wagnerrp:

although personally, ive not gotten almost any of what i wanted accomplished for 0.25 done

[20:03:18]

wagnerrp:

ive got a lot written, but nothing ready for commit and use

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: I hear ya. :)

[20:06:55]

Beirdo:

where's that sphery hiding today, I wonder? :)

[20:07:39]

Beirdo:

it would be nice to get the new-logging stuff finished. Do you have any notes for me to look over on the type-safety in the new commandline parser?

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: not really, its just using whatever typing support qvariant offers

[20:11:26]

wagnerrp:

if the qvariant can be converted, it converts it and outputs

[20:11:43]

wagnerrp:

if not, it returns an empty value of that type

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Beirdo:

OK, Not sure what the exact concern is, off hand

[20:12:25]

Beirdo:

(mind you, been awake like an hour) :)

[20:13:09]

Beirdo:

Time to watch Game of Thrones. I'm considerably ahead of the show in the book now, so...

[20:14:16]

tgm4883:

Did I make it up, or at one point was the recommendation for naming videos 'Title (YEAR).ext)

[20:14:23]

tgm4883:

'Title (YEAR).ext'

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Beirdo:

I think I'll be buying this on DVD/BluRay when it comes out

[20:16:39]

Beirdo:

now if only someone would silence that dog outside :)

[20:17:54]

tgm4883:

Beirdo, I'll agree with that, IDK why some people cannot control their yappy dogs

[20:18:00]

tgm4883:

or is it a big dog?

[20:18:30]

Beirdo:

sounds like a fairly large dog, but a puppy, perhaps

[20:18:41]

tgm4883:

ah

[20:18:44]

Beirdo:

it's giving the "why are you leaving me" bark

[20:18:59]

Beirdo:

separation anxiety

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tgm4883:

Maybe I just have a great dog, but he only barks when someone comes to the door or when he knows something is behind a fence (or other blocked view) and he feels threatened

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tgm4883:

which isn't often

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tgm4883:

correction, only when strangers come to the door

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Beirdo:

and hopefully, if burglars enter the back yard :)

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Beirdo:

that's when we WANT dogs barking, thank you

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tgm4883:

yea exactly

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tgm4883:

I live on a second floor apartment, but he definitly barks when the downstairs neighbors come in through the fence

[20:21:51]

tgm4883:

which I'm ok with

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Beirdo:

yeah, that's appropriate :)

[20:22:05]

tgm4883:

I keep having to tell my wife that, he is barking and it's a good thing

[20:22:37]

Beirdo:

until the dog knows the neighbors (and only them) are allowed through the fence, it's a good thing

[20:23:12]

Beirdo:

I might get a pet again sometime. I miss our dogs (now the ex-wife's dogs)

[20:24:05]

Beirdo:

they've chased off would-be burglars for her since. Earned their keep

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tgm4883:

thats good

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Beirdo:

two half black labs.. one's half pit bull (I think), and the other half Weimeraner (sp?)

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Beirdo:

but two black streaks barking and baring teeth will get most burglars to go right back over the fence as fast as possible :)

[20:25:31]

tgm4883:

awesome. I have a part black lab part german shepard

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Beirdo:

oooh, that would be a nice combo

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Beirdo:

the lab/terrier one is such a sweet dog... until she's pissed off

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tgm4883:

yea, he has a little austrialian shepard in him too

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tgm4883:

He's still young, but he should get pretty big

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Beirdo:

I have a good scar to prove how fierce she is once she fights (fighting the other dog who attacked her)

[20:27:08]

Beirdo:

they were doing the classic struggle for being alpha... but it was 3am, and on our bed.

[20:27:11]

Beirdo:

heh.

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tgm4883:

not exactly the place you want dogs fighting

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Beirdo:

I wasn't thinking, and pulled them apart, and my hand was between them... Ouch

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Beirdo:

yeah, it was the last day they were allowed in the house

[20:28:28]

Beirdo:

unfortunately for them.

[20:28:43]

Beirdo:

but, being Puerto Rico... no huge problem

[20:29:13]

Beirdo:

made cleaning the house a lot simpler too

[20:29:18]

Beirdo:

I miss them mutts

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Beirdo:

ah well :)

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theteju:

Hello

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theteju:

The distribution I use has mythtv integrated as the PVR software, how ever I can not find the directory shown under Mythtv's AV upnp server. Where should I copy my pictures or audio so that I can access them on that upnp server?

[20:51:02]

[R]:

mythmusic and mythgallery probably

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theteju:

Am I suppose to look from backend setup or frontend setup?

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Beirdo:

not sure either of them are actually used by UPnP yet

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tgm4883:

probably backend setup for storage gruops

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tgm4883:

but without knowing the version, IDK

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Beirdo:

pretty sure it only does recordings and videos

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tgm4883:

or the distro

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theteju:

its version 22

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[R]:

well tahts old as dirt

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[R]:

i would suggest updaing first

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Beirdo:

older than dirt ;)

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theteju:

oh !!

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tgm4883:

you would need to NFS mount those to the frontend and look at the frontend setup

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[R]:

i see a music on the upnp

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[R]:

but no picutres

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theteju:

unfortunately my distro is running behind,, we are still using kernel 8.10

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[R]:

8.10 isn't a kernel...

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theteju:

i mean based on 8.10 kubuntu

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tgm4883:

you would probably need to do that for the latest versions as well, IDK if 0.24 supports pics and music in SGs

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tgm4883:

theteju, you are running linuxMCE aren't you

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[R]:

on 24 i see no pictures in the upnp

[20:53:53]

theteju:

yes

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[R]:

but i do see music

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tgm4883:

dang i'm good

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theteju:

lol

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tgm4883:

is that even still developed for?

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theteju:

they are working on it

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theteju:

based on 10.04 now

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tgm4883:

theteju, 8.10 isn't even supported by canonical anymore

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tgm4883:

ie, no security patches

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[R]:

lol

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[R]:

a+ for shitty insecure dists

[20:56:43]

theteju:

yeap ,, we know that

[20:56:44]

Beirdo:

language...

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Beirdo:

even if it's trued :)

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[R]:

haha

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theteju:

NO comment but its not shitty at least lol

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Beirdo:

the channel rules say no profanity, [R] knows it, let's follow it.

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theteju:

tgm4883 : i can see my videos under myth's AV media server but I dont see audio

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theteju:

or pictures etc

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[R]:

dont you remember that southpark episode where they said it like 150 times or wahtever

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Beirdo:

theteju: as I said, I'm pretty sure they are not served by it.

[20:59:01]

theteju:

i see okey.

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tgm4883:

theteju, unless linuxmce does some magic to distribute the musci and pictures (which they should, seeing they are billing themselves as a whole house solution where it follows you room to room) you will need to look in the frontend settings to get that to each machine

[20:59:19]

tgm4883:

that will get it to the frontends

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tgm4883:

IDK about upnp as i'm not sure it supports that

[20:59:40]

tgm4883:

mythtv's UPNP server that is

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theteju:

linuxmce does it for its own media director,, which i am able to ,, but we are having some trouble with its own upnp server for now.. which is mediatomb

[21:00:26]

theteju:

or at least my system is fucked up..

[21:01:04]

tgm4883:

theteju, also, if LinuxMCE is just now working on 10.04, then by the time it is out (i'm guessing in 1 year) it will only have 1 year of support left and the next LTS will also already be out

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Beirdo:

theteju: language!

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Beirdo:

keep it clean, please

[21:01:58]

theteju:

yeah,, this time they will build such a way that the transition will be easier from next on

[21:02:10]

theteju:

Beirdo : sorry

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theteju:

tgm4883: hopefully,, lol,, we have very small group of devs , I guess. unlike other distros

[21:05:49]

tgm4883:

theteju, how many devs?

[21:06:09]

tgm4883:

theteju, I always wondered why linuxmce seems to deviate so far from Ubuntu and the mythtv packages

[21:06:30]

theteju:

tgm4883 : honestly , i dont even know, I am just user. but I spent a lot time on their channel

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: ever play halflife ep2?

[21:09:00]

Beirdo:

nope

[21:09:08]

Beirdo:

I suck at FPS games

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wagnerrp:

ah, nevermind then

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Beirdo:

sorry :) At least I know my limitations :)

[21:10:18]

Beirdo:

what's the freebsd equivalent of lmsensors?

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wagnerrp:

although you might find it amusing that steam is built using buildbot

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Beirdo:

hehe, that's cool

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NightMonkey:

There's always #nethack. telnet to fun! :)

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Beirdo:

mod

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Beirdo:

err

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Beirdo:

wrong winder

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** stoth is glad he's not the only person who does that **

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pyther:

Hello

[21:24:40]

pyther:

Generally speaking can a capture card that has a analog input and digital input use both tuners at once?

[21:25:06]

stoth:

pyther: some can, some cannot

[21:25:29]

kormoc:

Generally speaking it's a 50/50 shot

[21:26:10]

pyther:

are my chances better or worse with a tuner that does the analog via software?

[21:26:30]

kormoc:

why don't you just look up the tuners you are considering rather then guessing?

[21:26:37]

** stoth nods **

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lwizardl:

ok this is just not working for me

[21:27:35]

pyther:

What would I look for?

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pyther:

I have a KWorld ATSC 115

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lwizardl:

lol i have the kworld atsc 110

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lwizardl:

and not able to get the card working at all

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pyther:

lwizardl: digital or analog?

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lwizardl:

i have been trying analog so far

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lwizardl:

and now trying the dvb option

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theteju:

tgm4883 : we use 0.23 version

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pyther:

lwizardl: well what do you have? Cable, OTA, SAT?

[21:29:52]

lwizardl:

Comcast Cable, and OTA Antenna

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kormoc:

pyther, that card allows you to use both

[21:30:08]

kormoc:

and instructions would be found here: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/KWorld_ATSC_110

[21:30:08]

pyther:

kormoc: sweet, how did you find that out?

[21:30:17]

kormoc:

via the driver's website there

[21:30:34]

kormoc:

we just support their api, they know all the card info and what they support

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pyther:

oh ok

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pyther:

Is there way to make the digital turner more preferred over the analog in myth?

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pyther:

I'll have OTA Digital and Analog Cable

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pyther:

so I'd want OTA digital to take precedence (local channels)

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kormoc:

create it as the first card

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[R]:

its actually the order of the inputs

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[R]:

not the order of the cards

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kormoc:

order the cards, the inputs order as well

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pyther:

Now if I was to get digital cable, I wolud be forced to use the cable companies cable box, correct?

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[R]:

pyther: well aside from a cable card (which you can't use in linux)... thats the only way to get the ecnypted channels

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[R]:

well, aside fomr the hd homerun thing

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[R]:

but thats only the copy freely channels

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pyther:

ahh :(

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pyther:

oh well analog will work, way cheaper

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pyther:

and I only care about the internet, it's my dad who wants the cable tv

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lwizardl:

what QAM does comcast use ?

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pyther:

[R]: and kormoc, thanks!

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[R]:

lwizardl: 256, like everyone else

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lwizardl:

thought so but nothing seems to be found

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lwizardl:

i keep getting nolock signal timed out

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[R]:

does your card work and your signal is good?

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[R]:

scan a known good channel #

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[R]:

use silicon dust website to look up

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lwizardl:

[R], card worked under windows fine. Signal strength 93% signal/noise 91%

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lwizardl:

huh ?

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lwizardl:

nvm

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lwizardl:

http://www.silicondust.com/hdhomerun/lineup_w . . . neup_5496677

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lwizardl:

ok so qam256 is the correct type but i seem to be not able to get it working

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lwizardl:

so anyone here actually use or used an atsc110 and having a working box before

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lwizardl:

i need some help. willing to even redo the full install if that will help from a starting point

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Beirdo:

mod

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Beirdo:

argh

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Beirdo:

my DSL modem lost its brain, and I had to factory reset it

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sailerboy:

hey

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sailerboy:

i'm using mythbuntu

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sailerboy:

and i can't watch livetv

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sailerboy:

i've set it up using schedule direct

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sailerboy:

and everything

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sailerboy:

but i get this: http://pastebin.com/Y01KnLxw

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sailerboy:

hello?

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wagnerrp:

issues with watching livetv are usually in the backend, not the frontend

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sailerboy:

ok, well, is there a log?

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wagnerrp:

there might be

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wagnerrp:

try in /var/log

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sailerboy:

wagnerrp, the end of the log is here: pastebin.com/tYk7Nz7c

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sailerboy:

oic

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sailerboy:

wagnerrp, i'm assuming that that hard drive has to be owned by mythtv?

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sailerboy:

i must have failed at fstab

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wagnerrp:

fstab?

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wagnerrp:

fstab does not control your file permissions

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wagnerrp:

it only mounts partitions on boot

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wagnerrp:

the file systems themselves contain the file permissions

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wagnerrp:

... unless youre doing something unadvised, like using a non-POSIX filesystem for mythtv

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echosyp:

wagnerrp: where do i find the build log to see whats up with alsa

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sailerboy:

wagnerrp, then who is supposed to own that hard drive?

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sailerboy:

mythtv?

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wagnerrp:

build log?

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wagnerrp:

nothing owns a hard drive

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wagnerrp:

you can own folders and files in a partition

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wagnerrp:

in which case, the user that runs your backend should own the folders intended for recording

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sailerboy:

ok

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wagnerrp:

you can control that using 'chown'

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wagnerrp:

further, the user that runs your backend must have at least execute access all the way to the folders intended for recording

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wagnerrp:

without execute access, it cannot get to those folders to use them

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wagnerrp:

this should have all been tested by mythtv-setup when you configured the storage

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sailerboy:

apparently not...

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wagnerrp:

assuming you ran mythtv-setup as the same user by which you run the backend

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wagnerrp:

(which you are supposed to)

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sailerboy:

herp...

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sailerboy:

wagnerrp, ok, i figured it out

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sailerboy:

and can view livetv

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sailerboy:

but i now get 2 pictures

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sailerboy:

one ontop of the other

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sailerboy:

what happened?

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tgm4883:

sailerboy, bob2x deinterlacer?

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sailerboy:

bob2x?

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sailerboy:

where would i find that?

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tgm4883:

in the deinterlacer settings

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tgm4883:

which is in the frontend somewhere, probably under playback settings

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sailerboy:

nope

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