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| [00:03:27] | echosyp: | any assist on this one? |
| [00:03:58] | echosyp: | first id like to get the video working properly, then i'll worry about changing the channels |
| [00:07:30] | J-e-f-f-A: | echosyp: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/HDPVR#Configuring_ . . . VR_in_MythTV for setting up the HD-PVRs |
| [00:07:47] | echosyp: | yeah, i followed that |
| [00:07:51] | echosyp: | and it left me here |
| [00:09:09] | J-e-f-f-A: | Ah... Well, I can't say that I've had any problems with my HD-PVRs, other than overheating... but I've got a fan blowing on them now and haven't had a failed recording in over 2 weeks. |
| [00:09:21] | J-e-f-f-A: | I use firewire for my channel changes. |
| [00:09:35] | echosyp: | im not |
| [00:09:51] | echosyp: | but it still shows no picture in the FE |
| [00:10:13] | J-e-f-f-A: | How powerful is your FE? |
| [00:10:27] | echosyp: | turion 64 x2 |
| [00:10:49] | J-e-f-f-A: | Ok, and other video (non hd-pvr) plays fine? |
| [00:11:00] | echosyp: | yeah |
| [00:11:34] | echosyp: | i can even cat /dev/video0 (or video1) and get the output |
| [00:11:36] | J-e-f-f-A: | Did you give it 5–10 secs to start? It takes a bit for the hd-pvr to lock on to the signal. |
| [00:11:41] | echosyp: | yeah |
| [00:11:46] | echosyp: | it says signal 0% |
| [00:11:55] | echosyp: | i left it for a min |
| [00:11:57] | J-e-f-f-A: | Humm... Oh, do you have audio cables hooked up? |
| [00:12:07] | echosyp: | yeah |
| [00:12:09] | echosyp: | i got audio |
| [00:12:27] | J-e-f-f-A: | I mean between the HD-PVR and the set-top-box. |
| [00:13:00] | echosyp: | i have audio |
| [00:13:14] | echosyp: | to the pvr |
| [00:13:16] | echosyp: | yes |
| [00:13:20] | echosyp: | from the stb |
| [00:14:29] | J-e-f-f-A: | Ok. Then I'd double/triple/quad check your settings in mythtv-setup for the capture card – make sure you're setup for the proper capture device (H.264 Encoder card) and the sound source is set properly (analog or digital)... |
| [00:14:58] | echosyp: | oh, it says something in the sound source |
| [00:14:59] | echosyp: | ERROR |
| [00:15:38] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: 160GB? are the 2.5"? |
| [00:15:40] | J-e-f-f-A: | ^ that could be the issue. ;-) Which version of MythTV btw? |
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| [00:16:41] | echosyp: | .24 |
| [00:17:58] | echosyp: | says "ERROR COMPILE WITH V4L SUPORT TO QUERY AUDIO INPUTS" |
| [00:18:40] | wagnerrp: | what OS are you running? |
| [00:19:25] | echosyp: | ubuntu 11.04 |
| [00:20:15] | wagnerrp: | ubuntu 11.04 ships with 2.6.38, which removed v4l1 support, and in doing so broke traditional analog capture in mythtv |
| [00:20:47] | wagnerrp: | in an attempt to return that functionality, 11.04 ships with a patch that fixes that, but in doing so breaks HDPVR support |
| [00:21:05] | echosyp: | wtf |
| [00:21:10] | echosyp: | so what do i do |
| [00:21:16] | J-e-f-f-A: | thanks wagnerrp – I didn't know that. ;-) |
| [00:21:27] | wagnerrp: | tgm4883: got any suggestions? ^^^ |
| [00:21:45] | echosyp: | go back to 10.10? |
| [00:22:38] | wagnerrp: | you can manually build mythtv without the patch |
| [00:22:46] | wagnerrp: | the HDPVR should work, but other analog devices will not |
| [00:23:21] | wagnerrp: | you can upgrade to 0.25, which has a proper patch that works for both |
| [00:23:33] | wagnerrp: | but is currently suffering some instabilities due to the recent addition of ipv6 support |
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| [00:28:28] | echosyp: | can i build it without ipv6 support |
| [00:28:42] | wagnerrp: | no |
| [00:29:02] | GreyFoxx: | The only current problem I'm aware of is a problem writing to remote SG's |
| [00:29:08] | wagnerrp: | if you choose to go that route, you incur any and all issues that result from running an unstable version of mythtv |
| [00:29:25] | GreyFoxx: | which once my backend is done recording for the night I will hopefully track down |
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| [00:29:34] | wagnerrp: | and there was one where ipv4-only systems didnt work |
| [00:29:44] | wagnerrp: | and there was ... and .... |
| [00:29:44] | GreyFoxx: | which has since been fixed :) |
| [00:29:49] | echosyp: | yeah, i got it |
| [00:29:56] | echosyp: | bad idea |
| [00:29:57] | wagnerrp: | not that you havent been quick about fixing each problem as they arose |
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| [00:30:11] | wagnerrp: | but that your limited testing environment is only going to encounter so much |
| [00:30:20] | wagnerrp: | which is exactly why we have the unstable branch |
| [00:30:31] | wagnerrp: | so such things can be hashed out in a large environment |
| [00:30:48] | GreyFoxx: | Which is why it sucks a little that people never want to run the dev stuff. I bugged for months to get epople to run the patch |
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| [00:31:04] | GreyFoxx: | eventually I harrased all of my local myth friends to do it :) |
| [00:31:17] | echosyp: | for stability, my best bet would be to downgrade ubuntu to 10.10 then, |
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| [00:31:19] | GreyFoxx: | but all of them had ipv6 enabled (obviously) |
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| [00:32:42] | wagnerrp: | echosyp: if possible, 0.24 running on 10.10 should work fine |
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| [00:33:18] | echosyp: | totally possible, this computer is dedicated to mythtv, until i get a better one |
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| [00:42:01] | tgm4883: | wagnerrp, talk to upstream and have them backport the fix from master ;) |
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| [00:42:26] | wagnerrp: | echosyp: ^^^ |
| [00:42:45] | tgm4883: | wagnerrp, I think he was already talking to upstream |
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| [00:43:18] | wagnerrp: | heh |
| [00:43:32] | wagnerrp: | well upstream would technically be someone who actually deals with the recorder code |
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| [00:43:42] | wagnerrp: | not i says the python guy |
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| [00:45:33] | echosyp: | ? |
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| [00:46:10] | echosyp: | im already downloading ubuntu 10.10 |
| [00:46:39] | tgm4883: | wagnerrp, echosyp the bug report says it was fixed by danielk |
| [00:47:01] | tgm4883: | actually, looks like it is in 0.24 fixes |
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| [00:47:13] | tgm4883: | if i'm reading Beirdo's comment correctly |
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| [00:49:14] | tgm4883: | wagnerrp, thats what this says right https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/pull/3 |
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| [00:50:01] | tgm4883: | I'm confused if the comment means it was backported, or that it was closed because the other bug was fixed in master |
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| [00:51:23] | echosyp: | looks to me like its fixed |
| [00:51:34] | echosyp: | but that would be in the ppa version no? |
| [00:52:10] | tgm4883: | echosyp, if it got backported, it would have happened today. Probably after our builds, so it wouldn't be in the ppa version yet |
| [00:52:45] | echosyp: | but it would be soon |
| [00:53:35] | tgm4883: | echosyp, in about 24 hours |
| [00:55:07] | BLZbubba: | when i detect my hdhomerun dual tuner, i end up with 4 encoders listed in the database and mythweb. is this normal? |
| [00:57:14] | wagnerrp: | BLZbubba: yes |
| [00:59:11] | BLZbubba: | why does it have 2 entries for each? |
| [00:59:45] | tgm4883: | BLZbubba, multirec |
| [01:00:30] | wagnerrp: | BLZbubba: digital tuners capture an entire mutliplex at once |
| [01:00:37] | wagnerrp: | each multiplex may carry several channels |
| [01:00:57] | wagnerrp: | so by use of proper filtering, you can capture multiple channels simultaneously with a single digital tuner |
| [01:01:12] | wagnerrp: | mythtv resolves that mechanism through the use of virtual tuners |
| [01:01:20] | wagnerrp: | which is why you see two per physical tuners |
| [01:01:29] | wagnerrp: | you can have up to five per physical tuner |
| [01:01:56] | tgm4883: | echosyp, I'm guessing that commit isnt backported to 0.24 fixes |
| [01:02:10] | tgm4883: | it looks like it was a request for a previous patch that didn't work properly |
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| [01:02:58] | tgm4883: | so you will still need to hang out and request that it be backported, or use 10.10 |
| [01:03:30] | BLZbubba: | gotcha, ok thanks |
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| [01:06:17] | echosyp: | who would i ask such a thing? |
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| [01:06:36] | echosyp: | thanks for your help btw |
| [01:06:51] | echosyp: | both of you |
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| [01:20:44] | tgm4883: | echosyp, honestly IDK |
| [01:20:59] | tgm4883: | wagnerrp just left, he might know |
| [01:21:01] | tgm4883: | or sphery |
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| [01:31:04] | Belboz999: | Hey all, I just got Comcast's Digital Starter Package, and honestly, all I want to do right now is be able to view a channel, any channel, probably just by making the hauppage capture card into a dumb listener, and changing channels on the motorola cable box with the motorola remote |
| [01:32:22] | Belboz999: | I can't seem to find any documentation on just doing this seeming simple task, I can find tons of documentation on doing all kinds of other crazy stuff, but nothing as basic and fundamental |
| [01:32:53] | echosyp: | cat /dev/video0 >> test.avi |
| [01:33:03] | echosyp: | then play test.avi |
| [01:33:14] | echosyp: | thats assuming quite a bit actually |
| [01:33:36] | Beirdo: | OK, I think these new Sennheisers should be sufficient for work |
| [01:34:53] | mycosys: | what model Beirdo |
| [01:34:54] | echosyp: | Beirdo: https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/pull/3, is there any way you could commit that patch to .24? |
| [01:36:39] | Beirdo: | HD428 |
| [01:36:53] | Beirdo: | echosyp: which one is that? |
| [01:37:27] | Beirdo: | ahh, I'll let the people who worked on it do the backport |
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| [01:38:07] | echosyp: | my other option is to downgrade my backend box to ubuntu 10.10 |
| [01:43:55] | wagnerrp: | thats it, im done with this computer... |
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| [01:47:13] | wagnerrp: | so now the question is... do i wait until tuesday for newegg bits, or path the microcenter surcharge tomorrow |
| [01:50:13] | wagnerrp: | actually, its not that bad |
| [01:50:17] | wagnerrp: | only problem is the motherboard |
| [01:55:58] | Beirdo: | w99t |
| [01:56:05] | Beirdo: | w00t rather |
| [01:56:09] | wagnerrp: | $10 more, and i dont get as nice a motherboard as i want |
| [01:56:18] | wagnerrp: | im going to microcenter |
| [01:56:24] | Beirdo: | so all the parts are here for my HDPVR power-cycling boards |
| [01:56:28] | wagnerrp: | f- this lack of memory |
| [01:56:41] | Beirdo: | and... most importantly... they all seem to fit ;) |
| [01:56:42] | wagnerrp: | just crapped out mid-recording due to fusefs again |
| [01:56:57] | Beirdo: | I was somewhat worried about the USB connector |
| [01:58:22] | wagnerrp: | of course i cant be certain because their website is hosed |
| [01:58:26] | Beirdo: | aww |
| [01:58:27] | wagnerrp: | and everything is marked as out of stock |
| [01:58:35] | Beirdo: | well that sucks. |
| [01:58:46] | Beirdo: | I scored a free machine today from work |
| [01:58:52] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [01:59:07] | Beirdo: | old & crappy, but free |
| [01:59:22] | Beirdo: | still a P4 |
| [01:59:34] | J-e-f-f-A: | Beirdo: I scored a 19" widescreen LCD monitor for free today from the "Electronics Recycling" bin @ work today... ;-) |
| [01:59:48] | Beirdo: | yeah, that's where my free machine came from |
| [01:59:51] | J-e-f-f-A: | Works, but 'whines' – has some bad caps I'll have to replace, but the price was right! ;-) |
| [01:59:56] | Beirdo: | the recycling pile |
| [02:00:22] | Beirdo: | there was a full shelf of 72G UltraSCSI drives too... a coworker liberated them |
| [02:00:55] | Beirdo: | there's a scanner/printer combo that I'll take home tomorrow if it's still there |
| [02:01:10] | Beirdo: | if it don't work as a scanner, it will go BACK to the recycling pile |
| [02:01:11] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [02:01:28] | J-e-f-f-A: | ;-) |
| [02:02:38] | Beirdo: | But I'm thinking for the Dell I just got (Dell Precision 370) |
| [02:03:08] | Beirdo: | I could pull the CDROM, and put in two of the nice little 6*2.5" drive thingies |
| [02:03:13] | Beirdo: | :) |
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| [02:05:05] | J-e-f-f-A: | Heh... the Dell I go out of mine a month or two ago is a SFF optiplex GX 260 – a P4 (and IIRC, 2.8Ghz) – It's now a MAME machine. ;-) |
| [02:10:10] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [02:10:34] | Beirdo: | the previous was a Dell 170p, I think it was, it's now my devel box |
| [02:10:58] | Beirdo: | with the VFD in it |
| [02:11:06] | J-e-f-f-A: | ;-) |
| [02:11:33] | Belboz999: | okay, I've been hacking at this damn thing for far too long |
| [02:12:13] | Belboz999: | all I want to do is tune into my stb using mythtv on channel 3, how do I do this? |
| [02:13:49] | Belboz999: | I fear my stb wants is trying to ask me some questions, and I cannot view the stb's startup screen |
| [02:13:57] | J-e-f-f-A: | Belboz999: in mythtv-setup "Preset tuner to channel: 3" — but IMHO, ewww... At least use composite video or S-video. ;-) (ok for testing though...) |
| [02:14:43] | Belboz999: | thanks J-e-f-f-A, right, what settings should I use to make this work? |
| [02:14:52] | Belboz999: | Frequency table? Modulation? |
| [02:15:16] | Beirdo: | or just hook it to the TV, finish the setup and THEN hook it to the capture card |
| [02:15:30] | Beirdo: | why fight it? |
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| [02:15:55] | Belboz999: | Beirdo: I don't have a TV! |
| [02:16:17] | Beirdo: | ummm. OK. |
| [02:17:29] | Beirdo: | that would certainly make it tougher |
| [02:18:00] | J-e-f-f-A: | Freq table could just be set to "Cable", and Modulation to anything – as channel 3 is the same freq wether it's broadcast tv, or any of the frequency tables (they only differ on the higher channels) |
| [02:18:27] | sphery: | Belboz999: if you have a DTA with only RF-modulated output (outputs on "channel 3" or "channel 4" instead of using an S-Video or Composite output to punish you for not paying for a cable-co STB), then use the "Preset tuner to channel" setting J-e-f-f-A mentioned /and/ set your external channel change script to /bin/true |
| [02:18:29] | Beirdo: | OMG, I'm loving these headphones. |
| [02:18:35] | sphery: | (until you have a real channel change script) |
| [02:19:33] | sphery: | Beirdo: yeah, can you turn them down a bit--you're making the whole channel shake |
| [02:19:41] | sphery: | 110dB, right? |
| [02:20:07] | Beirdo: | hehe, I'm playing music at the max the MacBook's amp will push |
| [02:20:18] | Beirdo: | it's just a touch too loud. Perfect. |
| [02:20:24] | sphery: | heh |
| [02:20:35] | Beirdo: | I should find some GNR and really test em |
| [02:22:24] | Beirdo: | although this Gino Vannelli single should amply prove it. Not bad for $56 headphones :) |
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| [02:45:16] | Belboz999: | man, I am just not getting anywhere on this one, do you think I'd have better luck with a composite connection? |
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| [02:49:17] | DeviceZer0: | heh. i never realized just how much data SD pumps out to you. |
| [02:49:33] | DeviceZer0: | 26mb's so far of xml |
| [02:51:48] | wagnerrp: | except youre wrong |
| [02:52:38] | BLZbubba: | is there anything special to do when configuring a 2nd backend? do i just mount the master's sg with nfs and set up another capture card on the 2nd box? |
| [02:53:16] | wagnerrp: | DeviceZer0: technically, schedules direct just manage the subscription |
| [02:53:23] | wagnerrp: | you download the content directly from tribue |
| [02:53:25] | DeviceZer0: | oh true |
| [02:53:28] | wagnerrp: | tribune |
| [02:53:29] | DeviceZer0: | forgot that. |
| [02:53:30] | DeviceZer0: | yea |
| [02:53:32] | wagnerrp: | :) |
| [02:53:34] | DeviceZer0: | :) |
| [02:53:44] | DeviceZer0: | 128.2 |
| [02:53:48] | DeviceZer0: | :o |
| [02:55:10] | wagnerrp: | BLZbubba: basically, just set it up in the same manner as you do the master frontend |
| [02:56:58] | DeviceZer0: | nano doesnt seem to like opening 130mb files hehe |
| [02:57:11] | DeviceZer0: | and gedit completely yacked....said bad encoding |
| [02:57:28] | wagnerrp: | pretty sure its gzipped |
| [02:57:57] | DeviceZer0: | i used umm xmltv to grab it |
| [02:58:04] | DeviceZer0: | http://forums.schedulesdirect.org/viewtopic.p . . . etdata#p1593 |
| [02:58:07] | DeviceZer0: | followed that |
| [02:58:17] | DeviceZer0: | tv_grab_na_dd --days 5 --output test.txt |
| [02:58:23] | DeviceZer0: | only did 2 weeks |
| [02:58:29] | DeviceZer0: | since some of the shows are then |
| [03:01:13] | Beirdo: | nano sucks |
| [03:01:19] | Beirdo: | and so does gedit |
| [03:01:20] | DeviceZer0: | HOW DARE YOU |
| [03:01:23] | DeviceZer0: | ;) |
| [03:02:15] | DeviceZer0: | i dont use txt editors for much more then very simple stuff. If im coding i use a IDE and if im doing office stuff its ooo or libre ;) |
| [03:02:50] | wagnerrp: | vim? |
| [03:04:07] | Beirdo: | vim.. or.. vim... :) |
| [03:04:10] | DeviceZer0: | hmm. any one know if u can grep a txt file and if it finds a match to output the line #? |
| [03:04:35] | Beirdo: | man grep |
| [03:04:37] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [03:05:11] | Beirdo: | short answer: yes |
| [03:05:19] | wagnerrp: | long answer: -n |
| [03:05:26] | DeviceZer0: | -n |
| [03:05:28] | DeviceZer0: | :O |
| [03:05:30] | Beirdo: | enabler :) |
| [03:05:38] | Beirdo: | yup, -n :) |
| [03:05:50] | Beirdo: | Oh, there's the 8pm telemarketer call |
| [03:05:53] | Beirdo: | give UP! |
| [03:05:55] | wagnerrp: | rtfm'er |
| [03:06:08] | DeviceZer0: | hmmmm |
| [03:06:13] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: are they real people, or recordings? |
| [03:06:31] | Beirdo: | I refuse to answer the phone |
| [03:06:35] | wagnerrp: | heh |
| [03:06:46] | Beirdo: | it's almost always the Washington Fraternal Order of Police |
| [03:06:49] | wagnerrp: | picked up the first couple, they were all recordings for me |
| [03:06:53] | wagnerrp: | FOP? |
| [03:06:59] | wagnerrp: | nah, im getting political calls |
| [03:07:07] | Beirdo: | yep. WA FOP |
| [03:07:28] | wagnerrp: | we had our gubernatorials here a few days ago |
| [03:07:34] | Beirdo: | ahhh |
| [03:07:39] | wagnerrp: | complete with a few recordings trashed by tickers |
| [03:07:55] | wagnerrp: | being in a tri-state area SUCKS! |
| [03:07:56] | Beirdo: | Well, I don't get to vote, so they waste their time trying with me |
| [03:08:01] | DeviceZer0: | weird. i cant grep out the shows that mythv is showing |
| [03:08:17] | wagnerrp: | not a citizen? |
| [03:08:26] | Beirdo: | sure... of Canada |
| [03:08:36] | Beirdo: | green card FTW |
| [03:08:50] | Beirdo: | I'll be naturalizing soon enough, I think |
| [03:08:56] | mycosys: | wy???? |
| [03:08:58] | kormoc: | that's why they're really calling. They want you to donate so they'll get your address |
| [03:09:38] | Beirdo: | why would they want my address? |
| [03:09:50] | wagnerrp: | why wouldnt they want your address |
| [03:09:58] | Beirdo: | hehe, good point |
| [03:10:35] | Beirdo: | either way, I don't answer unknown callers on my home phone |
| [03:10:50] | Beirdo: | I really need to get asterisk handling that for me again |
| [03:10:51] | kormoc: | To kick ya back to Canada of course! ;) |
| [03:10:59] | Beirdo: | bah |
| [03:11:02] | ** kormoc starts humming blame Canada ** | |
| [03:11:21] | DeviceZer0: | bah. i cant figure this out. |
| [03:11:31] | ** wagnerrp wonders if beirdo's head detaches from his jaw when he talks ** | |
| [03:11:47] | Beirdo: | my eyes aren't all that beady either |
| [03:12:16] | Beirdo: | But I'd suggest against pulling my finger. |
| [03:12:29] | kormoc: | The data canter migration ended at the perfect time. It's really nice out today |
| [03:12:35] | Beirdo: | that it is |
| [03:13:14] | Beirdo: | I think I will go make the prototype HDPVR killer bard |
| [03:13:38] | Beirdo: | and then rip a couple LPs (or both in parallel) |
| [03:16:45] | wagnerrp: | beirdo, there were some problems with mythcommflag and the hdpvr |
| [03:17:00] | wagnerrp: | were those in 0.24? or was that something that happened after the most recent sync? |
| [03:17:19] | Beirdo: | both, I think |
| [03:17:35] | wagnerrp: | fixed in 0.24? |
| [03:17:38] | Beirdo: | we fixed them (seek-table issues), but it's periodically come back |
| [03:17:42] | Beirdo: | I believe so |
| [03:18:03] | tgm4883: | kormoc, there is a blame canada song? Is there somewhere i can buy that as an MP3 or ringtone? |
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| [03:18:37] | wagnerrp: | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxPRHXgYVlk |
| [03:19:17] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [03:19:26] | Beirdo: | someone missed the South Park Movie |
| [03:19:39] | Beirdo: | apparently Anne Murray was amused by the song |
| [03:19:54] | wagnerrp: | i dont know who that is |
| [03:20:09] | Beirdo: | Canadian folk singer |
| [03:20:17] | Beirdo: | who they called a bitch in the song |
| [03:20:58] | wagnerrp: | aww.. |
| [03:21:08] | wagnerrp: | theres an italian version on youtube, but the song itself wasnt dubbed |
| [03:21:39] | Beirdo: | Blame Italy? |
| [03:22:08] | kormoc: | tgm4883, wagnerrp's youtube link was for you |
| [03:22:28] | tgm4883: | listening now |
| [03:22:44] | tgm4883: | it's... just... so... beautiful |
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| [03:25:47] | BLZbubba: | should mythweb be able to see the capture card on the 2nd backend? |
| [03:26:05] | wagnerrp: | theres a topic on slashdot about the latest release of the xbmc4xbox fork |
| [03:26:47] | wagnerrp: | of course someone very brazenly said 'he cant use the xbox any longer, because it doesnt have the power for his de-facto standard 720p h264 tv and movie rips |
| [03:27:43] | wagnerrp: | so posting as an AC, i questioned his judgment for posting his illegal activities using a registered account on a public forum |
| [03:27:55] | [R]: | BLZbubba: "see"? |
| [03:28:09] | Belboz999: | Okay, I still cannot find anywhere to set the channel change script to /bin/true, supposedly it's supposed to be in input connections, but I see nothing like it there |
| [03:28:31] | wagnerrp: | it never ceases to amaze how people try to either defend those actions calling me brainwashed, or claim somehow he didnt say he was doing anything illegal |
| [03:30:15] | wagnerrp: | it disturbs me how people are so nonchalant about such things |
| [03:30:37] | [R]: | Belboz999: open your eyes? its very mucdh there |
| [03:30:50] | BLZbubba: | [R]: i added the capture card on the new host; and it is in the db, and the backend started and found the card. but mythweb only shows the cards on the master; and still has conflicts |
| [03:31:22] | wagnerrp: | BLZbubba: mythweb doesnt see anything |
| [03:31:31] | Belboz999: | [R] I assure you, it is not |
| [03:31:33] | [R]: | BLZbubba: hwo d you know the backend "found" it? |
| [03:31:41] | [R]: | Belboz999: im looking at the screen right now |
| [03:31:46] | wagnerrp: | that status page in mythweb is just it proxying through the backend status page produced by the backend |
| [03:31:55] | [R]: | Belboz999: what is your tuner type? |
| [03:32:02] | wagnerrp: | have you restarted your master backend since adding tuners on the slave backend? |
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| [03:32:37] | BLZbubba: | wagnerrp: ah, no |
| [03:32:57] | DeviceZer0: | bah. |
| [03:33:01] | Belboz999: | [R] I have a hauppage, MythTV picks it up as a DVB DTV capture card (v3.x) |
| [03:33:02] | DeviceZer0: | i think i give up on this |
| [03:33:15] | BLZbubba: | wagnerrp: ok now it sees them |
| [03:33:24] | wagnerrp: | Belboz999: digital tuners cannot use external tuner scripts |
| [03:33:28] | [R]: | Belboz999: "a hauppage" says nothing... |
| [03:33:35] | Belboz999: | [R] Frontend ID: Samsung S5H1411 QAM/ Subtype ATSC |
| [03:33:48] | [R]: | Belboz999: yeah, you can do a script for digital as wagnerrp said |
| [03:33:48] | wagnerrp: | Belboz999: what are you trying to do? |
| [03:34:46] | Belboz999: | okay, I found the box, it's a PCI-E Hauppage WinTV-HVR 1250 |
| [03:35:06] | Belboz999: | wagnerrp: simply tune into my STB using mythtv on channel 3, that's it, nothing fancy |
| [03:35:12] | wagnerrp: | the HVR-1250 does not do analog capture or tuning |
| [03:35:59] | Belboz999: | frak, I've got digital cable, and this damn free STB is simply broadcasting an analog-only signal??? |
| [03:36:05] | BLZbubba: | ok what does it mean when a show is in mythweb with a dotted line around the box instead of a solid green or red? |
| [03:36:32] | wagnerrp: | yes, all modulated output from a digital tuner will be analog |
| [03:36:34] | [R]: | BLZbubba: if you put the cursor over the title and/or click it, it *should* tell you what it means |
| [03:36:37] | Belboz999: | is there any chance I can pick up most, if not all of the channels by plugging in the cable line directly into the capture card? |
| [03:36:45] | DeviceZer0: | is there any better way to visualize this data from SD? |
| [03:36:54] | Belboz999: | or will the encryption kill me? |
| [03:36:57] | wagnerrp: | Belboz999: see http://www.silicondust.com/support/channels/ |
| [03:37:10] | BLZbubba: | [R]: nope. it was the 2 shows that were in the middle of recording when i restarted the backend |
| [03:37:13] | [R]: | DeviceZer0: visualize? |
| [03:37:22] | [R]: | BLZbubba: what? |
| [03:37:59] | DeviceZer0: | [R], working with the raw xml from sd....trying to look for a certain airing of a show and look to see if its marked as hd |
| [03:38:10] | [R]: | DeviceZer0: good luck with that |
| [03:38:20] | [R]: | DeviceZer0: what about checking hte zap2it website? |
| [03:38:41] | DeviceZer0: | what does the Program ID in mythtv map to in SD? i cant grep that from the xml |
| [03:38:49] | DeviceZer0: | Program ID: EP011242160053 returns nothing |
| [03:39:17] | wagnerrp: | DeviceZer0: its entirely possible the xmltv script does not output programid |
| [03:39:41] | Belboz999: | fantastic! all I can get out of this POS is all the locals, MTV, CSPAN and BTN! |
| [03:39:50] | DeviceZer0: | i see: <episode-num system="dd_progid">EP01124216.0045</episode-num> |
| [03:41:00] | DeviceZer0: | hmm |
| [03:41:08] | DeviceZer0: | that seems to be like the other one |
| [03:41:13] | DeviceZer0: | only with a .XXXX |
| [03:41:38] | BLZbubba: | [R]: it seems to happen when a recording is interruped; but there doesn't seem to be a way to resume |
| [03:43:30] | [R]: | BLZbubba: no clue what you are talking about |
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| [03:45:49] | Belboz999: | well, this sucks, I do have an older Hauppage that recieves analog, but I don't have room in my HTPC for it, as it's PCI, I bought the current card specifically becasuse it used one of the then unused PCI-E slots |
| [03:46:44] | wagnerrp: | you bought the cheap one with no mpeg encoder |
| [03:47:25] | wagnerrp: | i would say get the -2250, but that only has one coax input for both tuners, so of no use to those coax-only DTAs |
| [03:47:28] | Belboz999: | what can I say, I'm broke :P |
| [03:47:52] | wagnerrp: | find an old machine, and run it as a slave backend? |
| [03:48:08] | Belboz999: | how much would getting the digital STB help this issue? |
| [03:48:28] | Belboz999: | I really don't like the way Comcast does this |
| [03:48:29] | wagnerrp: | it wouldnt, because the 1250 still doesnt do analog |
| [03:48:53] | Belboz999: | wagnerrp: AFAIK, the digital box has more outputs, such as HDMI |
| [03:49:07] | wagnerrp: | but your computer doesnt do HDMI capture |
| [03:49:52] | Belboz999: | correct, though my monitor does accept hdmi |
| [03:50:03] | Belboz999: | frak, how is anyone supposed to make this work? |
| [03:50:05] | wagnerrp: | but you cant capture using your monitor, so theres no point |
| [03:50:13] | wagnerrp: | thats the whole point |
| [03:50:28] | wagnerrp: | make it difficult enough for the consumer, and theyll have no choice but to rent all hardware from you |
| [03:50:36] | Belboz999: | sucks |
| [03:50:46] | Belboz999: | you know what really pisses me off? |
| [03:50:59] | wagnerrp: | cable companies? |
| [03:51:01] | Belboz999: | they had this expanded basic service, which was $25/mo |
| [03:51:25] | Belboz999: | then they bundled it into the "Digital Starter" package, which is $29.95/mo |
| [03:51:54] | Belboz999: | but, you don't get the digital or HD channels without the $8.95/mo digital STB |
| [03:52:32] | Belboz999: | so, essentially, the $5/mo more for the digital starter vs the expanded basic, simply buys you the option of paying more for digital channels |
| [03:52:38] | wagnerrp: | actually, if that you needed the big box to get digital channels, that would mean the analog ones were still available and you didnt need the DTA |
| [03:54:10] | Belboz999: | I'm doing a full channel scan now, with the cable plugged directly into the capture card, so far it's picked up a ton of channels, but it's been having to try to decrypt most of them |
| [03:54:45] | wagnerrp: | it wont try to decrypt unless you tell it to |
| [03:54:55] | wagnerrp: | and since you cannot decrypt, there is no point telling it to |
| [03:54:56] | BLZbubba: | ok it is recording on the 3rd tuner but when i play it back it bombs out saying it can't contact the master backend |
| [03:54:57] | Belboz999: | so, whether or not it actually decrypts them is anyone's guess ATM, will see what happens when it's done |
| [03:55:07] | BLZbubba: | things i record on the other 2 are ok |
| [03:55:19] | BLZbubba: | is there a way to force it to always use the real master backend? |
| [03:55:19] | Belboz999: | wagnerrp: what do you mean I cannot decrypt? |
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| [03:55:36] | wagnerrp: | you cannot decrypt digital cable channels |
| [03:55:40] | wagnerrp: | your card doesnt support it |
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| [03:55:54] | Belboz999: | wagnerrp: so that option is only for the CableCard? |
| [03:56:42] | wagnerrp: | that option is for european users, who have CAMs |
| [03:57:29] | Belboz999: | ah, had no idea |
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| [04:02:50] | ** wagnerrp wants a 24hr computer store ** | |
| [04:05:08] | BLZbubba: | newegg |
| [04:05:26] | wagnerrp: | physical, that i can go to and purchase parts at |
| [04:05:30] | wagnerrp: | because im fed up with this one |
| [04:05:43] | BLZbubba: | which one? |
| [04:05:58] | wagnerrp: | the one im typing on |
| [04:06:00] | mycosys: | that would be teh woot wagnerrp |
| [04:07:25] | BLZbubba: | ok it looks like while the 3rd tuner is recording, it gives an "irrecoverable recorder error" message when i try to play the show. however, once it's done recording it works |
| [04:07:43] | BLZbubba: | good enough for tonight i guess, thanks for the help |
| [04:08:12] | wagnerrp: | BLZbubba: hold on |
| [04:08:24] | wagnerrp: | how did you define your hdhomerun? |
| [04:08:30] | wagnerrp: | autodetection or manual IP setting? |
| [04:08:46] | BLZbubba: | autodetection |
| [04:08:51] | BLZbubba: | those work great |
| [04:09:13] | wagnerrp: | ok, manual ip setting is broken at current, just making sure |
| [04:09:21] | BLZbubba: | yeah i can't wait for that to get fixed |
| [04:09:36] | wagnerrp: | sphery: rumors floating of a 1.9GHz quad core Fusion, with turbo-boost up to 2.6GHz |
| [04:09:38] | BLZbubba: | my other computer has a CX23887/8 card |
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| [04:10:04] | BLZbubba: | so now i can get 50% more shows that i won't have time to watch |
| [04:10:21] | wagnerrp: | sphery: that would actually make a decent frontend |
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| [04:45:32] | Beirdo: | oh pretty |
| [04:45:53] | Beirdo: | solder the whole thing together...do a gnd-5v continuity check. BEEEEP |
| [04:45:57] | Beirdo: | sigh |
| [04:46:06] | Belboz999: | so, this sucks |
| [04:46:09] | Beirdo: | seems I bridged right at the connector |
| [04:46:46] | Belboz999: | I got signal, but only channels are the same ones I can pick up for FREE in 1080P over the air :P |
| [04:46:57] | Belboz999: | + ~10 channels of crap |
| [04:47:15] | Belboz999: | 5 of which is Comcast promoting it's "Xfinity" or w/e service |
| [04:48:03] | wagnerrp: | you can pick up broadcast 1080p channels? |
| [04:48:43] | Belboz999: | and essentially, even if I shell out for their magical digital decoder box, for $8.95/mo, I'll only be getting analog output from it, right? |
| [04:49:02] | Belboz999: | wagnerrp: yeah, the local stations are all in HD, AFAIK most of which is 1080P |
| [04:49:20] | Belboz999: | it's only ABC, CBS, NBC, and FOX, but w/e |
| [04:49:26] | wagnerrp: | maybe 1080i, ive not heard of anyone doing 1080p in north america |
| [04:49:27] | Beirdo: | oh, this is more like it |
| [04:49:33] | wagnerrp: | and abc/fox are both 720p |
| [04:49:37] | Belboz999: | oh, probably i then |
| [04:49:58] | Belboz999: | whatever it is, it looks damn decent on my 24" LCD screen :P |
| [04:50:37] | Belboz999: | the comcast junk doesn't look horrid, but compared to the HD over the air, it's not good :P |
| [04:51:12] | [R]: | wagnerrp: some of those satellite vod stuff claims to ber 1080p |
| [04:51:31] | Beirdo: | yay, there we go :) |
| [04:51:34] | wagnerrp: | satellite sure, but not ATSC |
| [04:51:41] | Belboz999: | I suppose I'll be calling them up in the morning, there's no point in using Comcast's service if they're going to be this rediculously restrictive |
| [04:51:51] | [R]: | im like 95% sure the current spec evferyone follows maxes at 1080i |
| [04:52:02] | Belboz999: | sure, my bad |
| [04:52:55] | wagnerrp: | actually, the spec allows for 1080p ATSC broadcast, and even things like 1080p24 |
| [04:53:00] | wagnerrp: | but no one uses those |
| [04:53:40] | [R]: | really? |
| [04:53:59] | [R]: | not an addendum or something? |
| [04:58:09] | wagnerrp: | it might be part of a 2009 addendum, hard to tell |
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| [05:02:09] | [R]: | In July 2008, ATSC was updated to support the ITU-T H.264 video codec. The new standard is split in two parts: |
| [05:02:11] | [R]: | interesting |
| [05:03:38] | wagnerrp: | of course with no real hardware support, its of little use |
| [05:03:55] | wagnerrp: | i think its more intended for mobile video |
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| [05:23:15] | Beirdo: | wonderful |
| [05:23:24] | Beirdo: | the relay is not engaging |
| [05:25:49] | Beirdo: | ugh |
| [05:25:56] | Beirdo: | OK, now I'm PO'd |
| [05:26:43] | Beirdo: | I very carefully speced out a 5V relay |
| [05:26:53] | Beirdo: | and got 12V relays. |
| [05:27:08] | Beirdo: | excuse me while I go curse. |
| [05:29:02] | wagnerrp: | insufficient power to flip them? |
| [05:29:32] | Beirdo: | correct |
| [05:29:46] | Beirdo: | how the #@$#@$ did I order the wrong ones? |
| [05:30:01] | Beirdo: | and now the 5V ones are minimum order 100 |
| [05:30:39] | Beirdo: | wonder if mouser has them |
| [05:31:56] | Beirdo: | 100 can ship immediately |
| [05:32:04] | Beirdo: | OK, I think this can save my bacon. |
| [05:32:17] | Beirdo: | anyone want some cool 12V relays? |
| [05:32:36] | AndyCap: | Beirdo: so you don't have a magic troll processing purchase orders who changed it to 12V since they were better. |
| [05:33:05] | wagnerrp: | not something you can pick up at radioshack or frys? |
| [05:33:15] | Beirdo: | no, they don't have em |
| [05:36:43] | Beirdo: | there's $125 gone, just by being a tard |
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| [05:39:40] | mycosys: | what kind of relays are they? |
| [05:39:42] | Beirdo: | I guess I'll find a use for them later |
| [05:40:00] | Beirdo: | http://search.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dk . . . ame=Z2851-ND |
| [05:40:13] | Beirdo: | sorry. $165 gone |
| [05:40:15] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [05:40:44] | Beirdo: | just ordered replacements from mouser.com, same manufacturer's part number, but 5V |
| [05:40:56] | wagnerrp: | well its $530 now! |
| [05:41:15] | mycosys: | nice – high speed silver contact units |
| [05:41:16] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [05:41:34] | Beirdo: | the replacements were actually cheaper |
| [05:42:18] | mycosys: | case lighting time? |
| [05:42:32] | mycosys: | 12v lightshow for ur entertanment room? |
| [05:42:59] | mycosys: | intelligent christmas lighting ? |
| [05:43:19] | Beirdo: | heh, I dunno |
| [05:43:39] | Beirdo: | I got it all installed, programmed, blah blah |
| [05:43:41] | mycosys: | small display made up of 20w halogens? |
| [05:43:49] | mycosys: | that would suck |
| [05:43:54] | Beirdo: | sudo ./hdpvr-power GHUCSY6J off |
| [05:43:56] | Beirdo: | nothing |
| [05:44:01] | mycosys: | ouch |
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| [05:44:19] | Beirdo: | but at least I know the normally closed part works :) |
| [05:44:20] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [05:44:31] | mycosys: | lol |
| [05:44:46] | Beirdo: | my hdpvr is powered through the relay right now |
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| [05:45:31] | Beirdo: | I guess one thing I could do is design a different circuit that actually has a 12V current pump on it |
| [05:45:34] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [05:45:45] | Beirdo: | LAME |
| [06:02:07] | Beirdo: | sigh |
| [06:03:19] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: what type do we use for a qint64? |
| [06:03:39] | wagnerrp: | long long? |
| [06:04:11] | Beirdo: | that or uint64_t or int64_t |
| [06:04:29] | wagnerrp: | bah, ill just use int seconds |
| [06:04:31] | Beirdo: | assuming stdint.h is included, those should work fine |
| [06:04:44] | wagnerrp: | just because the timer takes milliseconds doesnt mean i need to pull it out of the datetime with that accuracy |
| [06:05:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [06:06:20] | Beirdo: | soooo mad ;) |
| [06:07:23] | wagnerrp: | c++ can chain logicals, right? |
| [06:07:34] | wagnerrp: | like 'if (nextrun > secsTo > 0)' is valid? |
| [06:09:07] | Beirdo: | not sure |
| [06:09:19] | Beirdo: | safer to split it up |
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| [06:09:55] | Beirdo: | I think that would end up evaluating the first > to a boolean, then comparing the true (1) or false (0) to the 0 |
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| [06:10:28] | wagnerrp: | yeah, didnt think about that... |
| [06:10:37] | wagnerrp: | do you have instructions on setting up a buildbot? |
| [06:11:25] | wagnerrp: | if i can pick up hardware tomorrow, i may look into setting up a 32-bit and 64-bit buildbot |
| [06:11:35] | Beirdo: | ummm, buildbot's docs ;) |
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| [06:11:56] | Beirdo: | you want to start up a full buildbot or just slaves? |
| [06:12:08] | wagnerrp: | slave for freebsd builds |
| [06:12:16] | Beirdo: | swweeeet |
| [06:12:18] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [06:12:25] | Beirdo: | OK, that's a lot simpler |
| [06:12:49] | wagnerrp: | ive just been holding off due to my underpowered and memory lacking system |
| [06:12:53] | Beirdo: | the hardest part will be to create the builder steps, although they will be nearly identical to Linux |
| [06:13:22] | Beirdo: | for the slave, just download the buildslave package from buildbot.net (I think it is) |
| [06:13:42] | Beirdo: | install python (of course) and twisted |
| [06:13:57] | Beirdo: | and then just install the slave to a directory |
| [06:14:13] | wagnerrp: | do you do a full build/install? |
| [06:14:16] | wagnerrp: | or just build of the core? |
| [06:14:18] | Beirdo: | we'll set you up with the slavename/password in the configs |
| [06:14:37] | Beirdo: | the buildbot does all of core and all the plugins right now |
| [06:14:43] | Beirdo: | for linux |
| [06:14:47] | wagnerrp: | so it has to install mid-way |
| [06:14:51] | Beirdo: | yes |
| [06:15:04] | Beirdo: | it installs within the buildbot's tree |
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| [06:15:23] | wagnerrp: | scratch that, screw 32-bit |
| [06:15:29] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [06:16:02] | Beirdo: | freebsd builds would be a very welcome addition ;) |
| [06:16:44] | Beirdo: | of course, you also need to install whatever build deps you need. |
| [06:17:09] | Beirdo: | so once you can compile by hand, the buildbot should be good to go :) |
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| [06:19:50] | wagnerrp: | you ever have any problems with your headless system? |
| [06:20:18] | wagnerrp: | actually, i think ive still got a PCI graphics card laying around |
| [06:20:47] | wagnerrp: | just looking for a cheap board with onboard graphics and 4 DIMM slots |
| [06:20:58] | wagnerrp: | they dont seem to line up |
| [06:22:37] | mycosys: | amd tend to be easy to find that way |
| [06:22:57] | wagnerrp: | mycosys: unless youre trying to find it in the limited pickings of a B&M |
| [06:23:20] | wagnerrp: | i can find ones with onboard graphics for $50, or ones with 4 slots for $50 |
| [06:23:21] | Beirdo: | I'm quite happy with my backend box being headless |
| [06:23:24] | wagnerrp: | but for both, its $80 |
| [06:23:43] | mycosys: | ahhh |
| [06:23:46] | Beirdo: | just keep a PCI card around for install (or PCI-E) |
| [06:23:55] | wagnerrp: | the $50 with four slots only has one x16 slot, which i need for my RAID card |
| [06:23:58] | Beirdo: | after... no need no more :) |
| [06:24:04] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [06:24:13] | Beirdo: | or HVR-2250 in my case |
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| [06:34:31] | justinh: | hmm, seems my nipping into the lab to take a phone call & coming back to my desk with a big grin on my face yesterday was a dead giveaway to some |
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| [06:39:12] | Beirdo: | justinh: so... I'm a bloody moron :) |
| [06:39:33] | Beirdo: | designed the board for a 5V relay... ordered 12V relays. Go me! |
| [06:40:36] | Beirdo: | so, I could make a rev2 board with a 5–12V stepup regulator :) |
| [06:40:49] | Beirdo: | or... buy the right ones (which I did)... |
| [06:41:12] | justinh: | 12V coil? Oops ;) |
| [06:42:15] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [06:42:15] | justinh: | there's a few ways you coulda done this design come to think... like isolate the logic from the switching, and power the switched side of it from... the PSU you're switching :D |
| [06:42:21] | Beirdo: | what a retard, eh? |
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| [06:42:35] | Beirdo: | the PSU is also 5V |
| [06:42:46] | justinh: | heh |
| [06:42:55] | Beirdo: | so, yeah. fun |
| [06:43:13] | clever: | Beirdo: ive switched 12v from 5v logic before with little work |
| [06:43:16] | Beirdo: | it's isolated with a NPN, though |
| [06:43:24] | clever: | just use a regular transistor to switch the GND of the 12v device |
| [06:43:26] | justinh: | using a charge pump or whatever just to energise a relay coil is umm... kind of daft though |
| [06:43:40] | Beirdo: | justinh: agreed. |
| [06:43:44] | clever: | seperate 12v rail for the relay or whatever |
| [06:43:54] | Beirdo: | unless the relays are easier to obtain, of course |
| [06:44:00] | justinh: | negative voltage rail.. sure... but a relay... pff |
| [06:44:15] | justinh: | 5V coil relays abound :) |
| [06:44:21] | clever: | in my case, i was PWM'ing a 12v car lamp |
| [06:44:33] | justinh: | clever: well you wouldn't be using a bloody relay anyway |
| [06:44:37] | Beirdo: | yeah, but 5V coil, 5A DPST NC... |
| [06:44:43] | clever: | justinh: yeah |
| [06:45:03] | clever: | enless its something high current, id just switch the gnd on/off directly with a transistor |
| [06:45:24] | ** justinh is hoping he gets an interview at the high power electronics gig. By 'high power' they mean like, 100kW inverters & suchlike ** | |
| [06:45:30] | Beirdo: | and that's why you're not making the board that will control my HDPVR |
| [06:45:51] | Beirdo: | oooh, that can be fun |
| [06:46:05] | justinh: | Beirdo: likely more fun than these darn cctv dvrs |
| [06:46:09] | clever: | Beirdo: what does the hdpvr power brick provide? |
| [06:46:19] | justinh: | clever: 5V |
| [06:46:23] | Beirdo: | clever: 5V, 2+A |
| [06:46:29] | clever: | ah |
| [06:46:35] | justinh: | 10 watts? Holy poop! |
| [06:46:42] | Beirdo: | justinh: yah, you could use a change |
| [06:46:53] | clever: | id go with either a relay or a high power transistor |
| [06:47:00] | Beirdo: | relat |
| [06:47:02] | Beirdo: | relay... |
| [06:47:05] | clever: | its not something you want on/off fast, so relay isnt a problem |
| [06:47:09] | justinh: | Beirdo: oh they used to be more fun. when the products did what they said on the tin |
| [06:47:16] | Beirdo: | and it's only energized when you are powering it off |
| [06:47:22] | justinh: | clever: isolation is good in this application |
| [06:47:28] | clever: | that too |
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| [06:47:51] | justinh: | some people have enough ground loop nasties in their installations without adding more |
| [06:47:53] | clever: | i had to double-check the relative difference in GND's yesterday to see if i needed isolation |
| [06:48:04] | clever: | i'm powering a breadboard off the UPS's battery bank |
| [06:48:14] | Beirdo: | heh, ground loops suck |
| [06:48:18] | clever: | and the breadboard gnd goes back into chassis ground of a tower, thru the serial cable |
| [06:48:31] | justinh: | reminds me I need to buy a gnd loop isolator for my car |
| [06:48:37] | clever: | the UPS could easily have been -12v and gnd, causing a dead short thru my project |
| [06:49:14] | justinh: | haven't even *seen* a breadboard since I was at college |
| [06:49:18] | clever: | i thin the high power UPS is actualy -12v gnd and +12, simpler to produce the AC sine waves |
| [06:49:33] | justinh: | for the price of em it's easier to knock something up on veroboard |
| [06:49:40] | clever: | the second UPS is designed to run from 4 batterys, not a single one |
| [06:49:53] | Beirdo: | heh, for my stuff, I go straight to circuit board |
| [06:50:12] | clever: | if i ever need the breadboard for another project, i can trasfer it to veroboard |
| [06:50:14] | justinh: | I'd have at least veroboarded that design |
| [06:50:20] | clever: | until then, it will sit on a breadboard in the furnace room |
| [06:50:30] | justinh: | but then, doing so with the micro you're using would be tricky ;) |
| [06:50:44] | Beirdo: | the thing works great... other than not energizing the bloody relay |
| [06:50:46] | clever: | "2011-05–20 03:50:38 bedroom temp: 23.12c(73.62f), kitchen: 25.00c(77.00f), outdoor: 13.25c(55.85f) VCC: over 4.5 volts RSSI: 76" |
| [06:51:19] | justinh: | I sometimes wish I could find the motivation to get into arduinos & all that crap |
| [06:51:25] | clever: | Beirdo: i was actualy taking appart an old cat-scan board today, and it looks like it has a bank of solid state relays, to energize regular (probly AC) relays |
| [06:51:49] | Beirdo: | arduinos are kinda fun, but bleh, more fun to spin your own without the wasteful VM |
| [06:51:58] | justinh: | SSRs to switch relays? sounds mad |
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| [06:52:13] | clever: | justinh: yeah, but this is old old tech |
| [06:52:27] | clever: | one of the main racks in it was wire-wrapped |
| [06:52:36] | justinh: | I've seen fork lift controls which go from logic to SSR .. to motor |
| [06:52:57] | clever: | i believe the board came from a pq 5000 scanner |
| [06:53:26] | justinh: | might be SSRs to switch contactors, for the kinds of currents they might have to deal with |
| [06:53:43] | clever: | google turns up an auction for one of the scanners, 10 grand |
| [06:55:58] | justinh: | saw some awesome photos & video yesterday of a friend's MRI scan. She's pregnant, originally twins, only one was an acardiac twin (without a heart), so the MRI was to check on the surviving baby's development. Bloody amazing stuff |
| [06:56:20] | clever: | yeah |
| [06:56:38] | clever: | the modern cat-scan can render the entire thing in full 3d |
| [06:56:54] | clever: | filter out certain layers of tissue and see the kids face |
| [06:57:40] | clever: | other then the fiber-optic and can bus interfaces, the modern one is basicaly a regular rack mounted server |
| [06:57:53] | clever: | the old pq5000 was one giant custom beast |
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| [06:58:37] | clever: | 15 or 20 massive (bigger then a normal mobo) cards in the main console alone for the PQ5000 |
| [06:58:47] | justinh: | wonder how long it'll be before ultrasound scanners have a facebook icon |
| [06:58:53] | clever: | lol |
| [06:59:21] | clever: | i think the moderns ones have usb now, to just save the images directly to a stick |
| [06:59:50] | justinh: | hrm. hospitals here will still want to charge for the privilege |
| [07:00:05] | justinh: | we paid £5 for a still 'photo' of our little lad |
| [07:00:18] | justinh: | on crappy thermal paper |
| [07:00:31] | clever: | which will probly fade before the kid hits 10 |
| [07:00:44] | clever: | and dont even try to laminate the print:P |
| [07:00:49] | justinh: | lol |
| [07:00:55] | justinh: | digitised :D |
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| [07:01:37] | Beirdo: | Oh nice season finale for Bones |
| [07:01:52] | justinh: | saw they cancelled V & The Event |
| [07:01:53] | clever: | yeah, season finale's are coming up everywhere now |
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| [07:01:58] | clever: | havent seen the bones one yet |
| [07:02:46] | justinh: | writers over there should maybe start to wrap things up season to season – important things at least |
| [07:03:18] | justinh: | then when they get canned after the 2nd season the story is at least *mostly* resolved one way or other |
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| [07:11:56] | justinh: | "1. What is a good choice for a hybrid tuner? " Haha. |
| [07:18:07] | justinh: | Oo play.com have a harmony 600 for under £30. I think I'll pass |
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| [07:21:33] | stuartm: | hmm, the 600 isn't very pretty |
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| [07:23:18] | justinh: | are any of them? |
| [07:23:32] | justinh: | after the way my 515 has gone I won't be recommending them any more |
| [07:23:49] | justinh: | bits of bent tin for the most frequently used buttons indeed. Shoddy |
| [07:24:17] | justinh: | got my OFA-7550 working the other day & haven't looked back. It's blindingly fast compared to the harmony |
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| [07:24:36] | shiggity__: | hello |
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| [07:24:43] | justinh: | inter-button delay minimum of 100mS my ass |
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| [07:26:01] | stuartm: | justinh: looking at the full range I'd have to say no, no none of them are pretty |
| [07:26:26] | stuartm: | and I'd have to say most are overpriced for the components that go into them |
| [07:26:40] | justinh: | I'm disgusted at the switches they used for the most frequently accessed buttons |
| [07:27:10] | Shiggs|MB: | Does anyone know if someone was able to crack digicypher yet? |
| [07:27:16] | justinh: | volume, channel, some functions.. the 'clicky' buttons are all domes of bent tin |
| [07:27:31] | justinh: | Shiggs|MB: if anybody did they couldn't talk about it here. continue looking under rocks |
| [07:27:45] | Shiggs|MB: | lol. |
| [07:27:46] | Shiggs|MB: | k |
| [07:28:31] | stuartm: | you can buy a fully touchscreen phone (no contract) for a 1/3 what some of these remotes sell for and the phone has 100x the functionality, in a smaller package |
| [07:29:43] | stuartm: | can't say I'm impressed at a remote which features a 1 inch x1 inch 'touchscreen' screen, where is the remote which is completely touchscreen? |
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| [07:31:03] | justinh: | the 600 is 'touchscreen' ? LOL |
| [07:31:09] | stuartm: | the range looks no better technically that I remembering it being 2–3 years ago, they've not exactly seized on modern trends |
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| [07:31:40] | justinh: | OneForAll have started doing 'activity' programmable remotes now. they seem quite nice |
| [07:31:40] | stuartm: | justinh: no, I'm referring to the higher end models e.g. the 900 |
| [07:32:09] | justinh: | yeah & you can buy an iPhone or very high end Android phone for what they want for the Harmony One |
| [07:32:46] | stuartm: | honestly I'd expect to get the 900 for the current price of the 600, I wouldn't expect them to still be selling the 600 any more |
| [07:33:23] | justinh: | I paid about £25 for the 515 & I feel hard done by |
| [07:34:22] | stuartm: | and I'd have liked to see a remote where 75% of the buttons were touchscreen – hell, with no pre-defined buttons exactly but a fully flexible touchscreen interface for well under £100 |
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| [07:35:41] | justinh: | wonder if there's any mileage in making an app & hardware combination for smartphones... hardware is the IR/RF to app interface, via wifi probably... then an IR remote app for the handheld |
| [07:37:22] | justinh: | holy poop. some TVs are coming with network control interfaces now?! About blimmin time! |
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| [07:44:13] | robertzaccour: | howdy yall |
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| [07:48:13] | robertzaccour: | will my hd-pvr work in mythtv? |
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| [07:50:00] | justinh: | hd-pvr is supported. as for whether yours will work, hmmm ;) |
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| [07:50:54] | robertzaccour: | its hauppauge |
| [07:51:02] | mycosys: | ymmv by competance? |
| [07:51:12] | robertzaccour: | 49001 LF |
| [07:54:40] | robertzaccour: | I'm a dummy about this stuff sorry |
| [07:55:55] | justinh: | mythtv supports using the Hauppauge HD-PVR, so in theory you should be good to go |
| [07:56:06] | mycosys: | the hdpvr is supported by mythtv, if you follow the instructions on the wiki you should be fine |
| [07:56:09] | justinh: | how much more to it could there be? |
| [07:56:31] | robertzaccour: | justinh: ok thanks. does it detect devices by default or will I have to point it out to it? |
| [07:56:39] | justinh: | it does not detect devices |
| [07:56:53] | justinh: | you have to select the correct type of device and device node |
| [07:56:54] | robertzaccour: | justinh: how would I get it to work then? |
| [07:57:01] | justinh: | the docs will tell you that |
| [07:57:02] | mycosys: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Hauppauge_HD-PVR |
| [07:57:26] | mycosys: | obtained by googling mythtv hdpvr |
| [07:57:31] | mycosys: | first result |
| [07:59:51] | robertzaccour: | ok thanks mycosys |
| [08:00:00] | robertzaccour: | I'm gonna boot into a live session and try it out |
| [08:00:04] | mycosys: | :) |
| [08:00:16] | robertzaccour: | mycosys: can I record also? |
| [08:00:45] | mycosys: | mythtv doesnt view live tv, it records and plays it |
| [08:01:04] | robertzaccour: | mycosys: I'm wanting to record gameplay from my ps3 |
| [08:01:10] | mycosys: | you can do both at the same time |
| [08:01:16] | justinh: | oh dear |
| [08:01:24] | mycosys: | just as long as you arent trying to use it as a monitor rofl |
| [08:01:35] | justinh: | mythtv is not a video recorder |
| [08:01:37] | mycosys: | 3 second lag will see you get very fragged |
| [08:01:52] | robertzaccour: | mycosys: so there's no display of what its recording? |
| [08:02:21] | mycosys: | it records it to hard disk, and can play it back at the same time |
| [08:02:28] | justinh: | luckt the hdpvr is a passthrough device |
| [08:02:31] | mycosys: | but it takes a few seconds of buffer doing it |
| [08:02:32] | justinh: | *lucky |
| [08:02:35] | robertzaccour: | mycosys: oh I see, thanks |
| [08:02:57] | mycosys: | can do it – as justinh said – just dont try to use myth as the monitor |
| [08:03:12] | justinh: | and I wouldn't recommend using mythtv as a VCR anyway |
| [08:03:16] | justinh: | seriously |
| [08:03:27] | robertzaccour: | ohh ok |
| [08:03:42] | justinh: | I don't think any linux app which'd work with the HDPVR has a simple record button |
| [08:03:43] | robertzaccour: | I'm hoping it will work well like the windows software it came with |
| [08:03:57] | justinh: | no, mythtv is way more complicated |
| [08:04:01] | justinh: | way, way more complicated |
| [08:04:03] | robertzaccour: | no record button? |
| [08:04:08] | robertzaccour: | how do I record then? |
| [08:04:08] | mycosys: | mythtv is designed to work with swchedules |
| [08:04:21] | justinh: | yes there's a record button, but mythtv is designed to be a DVR for scheduled TV |
| [08:04:22] | mycosys: | you can hit r while watching live tv |
| [08:04:38] | mycosys: | but ur making ur life very hard setting up myth for just that |
| [08:04:40] | justinh: | so there's a whole lot of other stuff you need to do before you can record *anything* config-wise |
| [08:04:40] | robertzaccour: | so the r key is my record button? |
| [08:04:51] | mycosys: | only when watching live tv |
| [08:05:06] | justinh: | just boot into windows, use the hauppauge app |
| [08:05:06] | robertzaccour: | mycosys: what about playing live games on my ps3? |
| [08:05:18] | justinh: | it'll save you no end of time & hassle |
| [08:05:43] | mycosys: | dont even try to use myth as a monitor like i said |
| [08:05:53] | mycosys: | justinh knows more than i |
| [08:05:56] | justinh: | robertzaccour: the encoder in the hdpvr will give you too much lag to use a PC monitor via that route |
| [08:06:32] | robertzaccour: | justinh: so there's nothing thats efficient like the windows software it came with? |
| [08:06:33] | justinh: | if you MUST insist on using linux, as far as I know you can just cat the HDPVR device to a file |
| [08:06:37] | robertzaccour: | what about tvtime? |
| [08:06:43] | justinh: | robertzaccour: for linux? No |
| [08:06:50] | justinh: | tvtime doesn't support HDPVR AFAIK |
| [08:06:56] | robertzaccour: | oh ok |
| [08:07:18] | mycosys: | kaffeine or the like? mplayer? justingh? |
| [08:07:23] | justinh: | and I have to reiterate, you won't be able to play any game while watching it on the PC monitor when it's gone through the hdpvr |
| [08:07:39] | justinh: | you will have to loop through the device as usual to your TV |
| [08:08:00] | justinh: | nobody can play games through an mpeg encoder and win at anything |
| [08:08:30] | justinh: | hell, people talk about their performance being marred just by a TV taking too long to display a frame of video lol |
| [08:09:07] | justinh: | you can certainly view the input on your PC to make sure the capture is working okay, but beyond that... NOT a good idea to try & play a game through it |
| [08:09:31] | robertzaccour: | I don't intend to use it as a monitor, just to record my ps3 gameplay |
| [08:10:21] | justinh: | good! we had to establish that because some people come here wanting to use mythtv as a console to PC monitor interface |
| [08:10:36] | mycosys: | just about everyone that mentions it lol |
| [08:10:49] | justinh: | and those people take some convincing how bad an idea it really is |
| [08:11:50] | robertzaccour: | well if I can record my gameplay in 720p in Linux I'll have no need to keep windows |
| [08:11:56] | robertzaccour: | thats the idea anyway |
| [08:12:22] | justinh: | apart from editing the video of course |
| [08:12:35] | justinh: | you haven't seen the state of video editing software in linux |
| [08:13:12] | robertzaccour: | justinh: nothing like windows movie maker huh? |
| [08:13:23] | robertzaccour: | I don't plan to edit, just upload |
| [08:13:38] | justinh: | no trimming at all? meh |
| [08:13:59] | robertzaccour: | its kind of like a sport to me. I beat people in wrestling matches online and then upload the videos |
| [08:14:21] | justinh: | haha you could use the cat command |
| [08:14:28] | robertzaccour: | whats that? |
| [08:14:35] | justinh: | cat /devicenode > file.ts |
| [08:14:58] | justinh: | where /devicenode is the path to the device node of the hdpvr |
| [08:15:27] | robertzaccour: | ok gonna boot into a live session and try it out. thanks yall. I'll probably be back haha if nothing else but to say thanks but most likely for questions |
| [08:15:57] | justinh: | this channel is for help with mythtv :) |
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| [08:16:47] | justinh: | well, that's my client ready for his return. Man, where do people get the idea mythtv is just the ticket for their daft needs? |
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| [08:19:55] | Beirdo: | justinh: seeing something odd here |
| [08:20:10] | Beirdo: | maybe I'm just too frigging tired, I dunno |
| [08:20:30] | Beirdo: | one side of a resistor (10k) is 5V... the other.. 800mV |
| [08:21:02] | Beirdo: | the 800mV being at the base of my NPN, which, is, of course, not turning on |
| [08:22:08] | justinh: | 800mV, should be turned on. 800mV generally being enough to turn it on |
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| [08:22:26] | mycosys: | depending on emitter voltage justinh |
| [08:22:38] | Beirdo: | oh, so it is |
| [08:22:45] | justinh: | well yeah but if the emitter is at 0v... |
| [08:22:51] | Beirdo: | it is |
| [08:23:03] | Beirdo: | common emmitter (switching mode) |
| [08:23:09] | justinh: | or you got the pinout wrong ;) |
| [08:23:09] | Beirdo: | if I could type |
| [08:23:17] | Beirdo: | no, I triple-checked that |
| [08:23:50] | mycosys: | i cbf but is that enough vurrent to run the npn |
| [08:23:50] | Beirdo: | it just seems odd to me how much the voltage dropped across the resistor, but I guess it's just me being tired and stupid tonight ;) |
| [08:23:59] | mycosys: | it is current driven not voltage driven |
| [08:24:08] | mycosys: | 8current |
| [08:24:10] | mycosys: | * |
| [08:24:42] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [08:24:48] | Beirdo: | as I said... tired :) |
| [08:24:57] | Beirdo: | yeah, it's switching fine |
| [08:25:12] | Beirdo: | now the remaining issue is the 12V coil rather than 5V |
| [08:25:14] | Beirdo: | eediot |
| [08:25:19] | justinh: | so 5V into 10k... should be enough current with most small NPN transistors to switch a relay :) |
| [08:25:26] | Beirdo: | it is |
| [08:25:35] | Beirdo: | wasn't thinkin |
| [08:25:40] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [08:26:13] | justinh: | I hate analogue electronics – actually more that I have a problem remembering much of it |
| [08:26:19] | Beirdo: | I keep forgetting (at 1:30ish am) that transistors care about the current. :) |
| [08:26:43] | Beirdo: | it's current amplificaton, not voltage... and my brain core dumps that too regularly |
| [08:26:47] | justinh: | thankfully in the job I applied for I don't have to do much thinking about analogue design |
| [08:27:03] | Beirdo: | I do like some analog at some times |
| [08:27:10] | mycosys: | i love analog electronic |
| [08:27:14] | mycosys: | so elegant |
| [08:27:26] | justinh: | oh I mean when you come down to the physical level of how it works... |
| [08:27:28] | Beirdo: | I think I can turn off my crappy DSO now |
| [08:27:31] | justinh: | just sends me to sleep |
| [08:27:48] | justinh: | as for the current laws etc.. MEH |
| [08:27:56] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [08:28:29] | Beirdo: | common emitter is such an easy circuit, too... but my brain likes to go "duhhh" |
| [08:28:42] | justinh: | I tried the 1st year of an HNC electronics course. the analogue section was basically just trying to learn equations off pat |
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| [08:29:06] | justinh: | that's no way to teach people electronics IMHO |
| [08:29:07] | Beirdo: | I do have enough room on the back of the board for a step-up circuit ;) |
| [08:29:12] | justinh: | Kelerion: !!!! LTNS !!!! |
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| [08:29:21] | Kelerion: | *grins* hey hey! |
| [08:29:35] | justinh: | how's life in the land of the free? ;) |
| [08:29:54] | Kelerion: | didn't make it! been in spain for the last two years |
| [08:30:11] | justinh: | heheh. ok then.. land of the lazy |
| [08:30:42] | Kelerion: | still pop over there for a holiday every few months though |
| [08:31:18] | justinh: | so, what brings you here? |
| [08:31:55] | Kelerion: | someone mentioned IRC to me last night and I realised how long its been... so thought I'd visit.. and this was the first channel that came to mind |
| [08:32:15] | justinh: | heh |
| [08:32:24] | Kelerion: | so hows it been? keeping busy? |
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| [08:32:30] | justinh: | I still haven't managed to kick the habit of coming in here |
| [08:32:44] | ** justinh is a daddy now too ** | |
| [08:32:52] | Kelerion: | congratulations! |
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| [08:33:36] | justinh: | looking to move job & house back up t' road ASAP as well. Not having little Tom growing up Mancunian |
| [08:33:52] | justinh: | ta btw |
| [08:34:29] | Kelerion: | *laughs* excellent.. glad you've got your head on straight! theres enough Mancs as there is! |
| [08:34:55] | Kelerion: | still working for that CCTV place? |
| [08:35:02] | justinh: | bloody work moved us to near warrington. 35 miles each way |
| [08:35:10] | Kelerion: | ouch |
| [08:36:16] | justinh: | got a mileage allowance for a couple of years but they nixed that. and then there were redundancies... since then more people have left of their own accord & I intend to join em |
| [08:36:58] | justinh: | been to any good linux expos recently? ;) Mind, I don't think there've been any since the last one we all did |
| [08:37:17] | Beirdo: | hmm |
| [08:37:33] | Beirdo: | how did I make my frontend NOT blank the screen again? |
| [08:37:34] | Kelerion: | newp... looked for some in spain... but its full of spaniards.. and my spanish isn't good enough for that yet |
| [08:37:55] | justinh: | un cerveca por favor.. ? |
| [08:37:56] | Kelerion: | xset? |
| [08:38:15] | Beirdo: | yeah, but xset what, I forget :) |
| [08:38:25] | justinh: | xset DPMS off ? |
| [08:38:43] | justinh: | or maybe DMPS |
| [08:38:45] | Kelerion: | xset 0 |
| [08:39:06] | Beirdo: | xset dpms 0 |
| [08:39:08] | Beirdo: | ? |
| [08:39:17] | justinh: | bah they changed the syntax according to man xset |
| [08:39:18] | Beirdo: | I'll try that, that sounds familiar |
| [08:39:19] | Kelerion: | don't think you need dpms...just xset 0 |
| [08:39:45] | justinh: | I hate when commands change syntax for no apparent good reason |
| [08:39:53] | ** justinh shakes his fist at ffmpeg & the rest ** | |
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| [08:40:23] | Kelerion: | ffmpeg is bad for that... especially with so many damn flags in the first place |
| [08:41:30] | Kelerion: | so whats new in the world of mythtv? anything exciting? |
| [08:42:16] | Kelerion: | its been a long time for me... I've not even got my mythtv setup anymore since moving... I think I should start building one again.. just don't have the time these days |
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| [08:42:52] | Beirdo: | you want one :) |
| [08:45:01] | Beirdo: | far too much goin on, as always :) |
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| [08:50:11] | Kelerion: | well...since moving to spain..have got a new job in an office (and I hate offices) running an IT department.. managing the network...developing web services and general web development... and when I get spare time.. I manage SEO projects for clients... currently we're up to over 280 web sites I have to keep track off... so my days are pretty hectic.. then on a weekend... I want to relax! get pissed outta m' tree.. and |
| [08:50:11] | Kelerion: | play some pool.. I might get time to build a setup in between all that! |
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| [09:15:10] | justinh: | seo? gawd everybody's into that. BS |
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| [09:25:08] | Kelerion: | tell me about it.. but its ok... I have a guy in the department thats only job is SEO.. so I don't have to worry about it.. I just hand him a new project and he deals with it |
| [09:27:35] | justinh: | where my dad works, they pay a guy to 'do' the website. It's 3 static pages & an email address. £30 a month thankyou very much |
| [09:27:49] | justinh: | where do I find people that stupid? must be enough of them around somewhere |
| [09:32:02] | stuartm: | judging by the number of crappy websites I still come across, there are no shortage of people that stupid |
| [09:34:30] | stuartm: | hell, I even offered my services for free to the local scout group the other week because I found their website to be so pitiable, they were re-selling bedding plants to raise money and for the first year they were allowing it to be done 'online' .... their idea of online was an excel spreadsheet which you downloaded, filled in then emailed back to them |
| [09:35:56] | stuartm: | there weren't even any formulas being used, you had to total the prices yourself ;) |
| [09:36:04] | justinh: | eep |
| [09:36:47] | justinh: | biggest problem I'm finding with the site I run is getting info out of people to put on the site. people keep asking the same questions which could be answered with a single page |
| [09:38:32] | justinh: | I mean how much hosting could £30 a month actually buy? :-O |
| [09:38:43] | justinh: | a bit more than 3 pages' worth innit |
| [09:39:49] | stuartm: | considerably more |
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| [09:40:15] | ** DataTracer waves ** | |
| [09:40:20] | DataTracer: | Hi folks! |
| [09:42:03] | stuartm: | my £6 a month hosting is used for thousands of pages and a good number of photos/files, it makes no impact at all on the disk space or bandwidth allowances |
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| [10:51:41] | justinh: | wooo dvb-t2 sticks are worky now |
| [10:52:11] | justinh: | no point buying one yet though, since I might be moving before Pontop Pike has switched to digital |
| [10:52:29] | mycosys: | lol @pontop pike |
| [10:52:34] | mycosys: | limeys r funny |
| [10:52:51] | justinh: | since when did aussies call us limeys anyway? |
| [10:53:22] | justinh: | and don't call us out on funny place names ;-) |
| [10:53:42] | mycosys: | ours are nice |
| [10:53:54] | justinh: | if you say so |
| [10:53:55] | mycosys: | not like ploppy leap |
| [10:54:05] | mycosys: | or crapton down |
| [10:54:24] | justinh: | wallyburoodingdongburrahgdayshire |
| [10:54:35] | ** mycosys just made those up, but would not be at ALL surprised if they were real ** | |
| [10:54:44] | justinh: | heh true |
| [10:54:45] | mycosys: | nothing ends with shire |
| [10:54:49] | justinh: | there are worse |
| [10:55:08] | justinh: | but I'd never live in anywhere called that kind of name |
| [10:55:36] | mycosys: | spose it could be worse – we could be be welsh |
| [10:55:52] | mycosys: | pollyywolllyntowntonplop |
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| [10:56:06] | justinh: | a pike is a sort of hill IIRC |
| [10:56:19] | justinh: | it's near a place called Dipton |
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| [10:56:30] | mycosys: | dipton lol |
| [10:56:59] | justinh: | this is what happens when you send yer crims overseas |
| [10:57:20] | justinh: | they were good for something after all – naming places :P |
| [10:57:57] | mycosys: | lol sif |
| [10:58:18] | justinh: | well, apparently our DVRs can 'do' 1080p.. here goes nowt |
| [10:58:46] | justinh: | this fact has been hidden from sales, development & tech support people for quite a while, it appears |
| [10:58:57] | justinh: | (maybe cos it doesn't work, we'll see) |
| [11:01:51] | mycosys: | justinh – we didnt jus get ur criminals, we got all your most adventurous and exciting |
| [11:12:04] | justinh: | but not our technical knowhow :D |
| [11:12:22] | justinh: | wow, 1080P actually works. we did well keeping that quiet |
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| [11:14:25] | dewman: | so since the end of the world is tomorrow, who is going to record it? |
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| [11:26:09] | hashbang: | mycosys: we have some great names in my part of England |
| [11:28:00] | hashbang: | mycosys: Hinton Blewett, Nempnett Thrubwell being my faves |
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| [11:57:35] | mycosys: | hashbang: woodenbong is an aussie fave of mine lol |
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| [12:00:29] | justinh: | the rapture? I say maybe it's already passed & this is hell |
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| [12:30:57] | stuartm: | a decent proportion of Aussie place names are take from British (well English) towns and villages |
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| [12:32:30] | stuartm: | Melbourne is just a couple of miles from here, although it's perhaps not fair to pick on NSW as it's more heavily influenced by British culture and ex-pats than the rest of the country |
| [12:32:41] | stuartm: | err, Victoria |
| [12:33:17] | stuartm: | call that a mental aberration |
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| [13:01:00] | russell5: | whats the best way to go through my channels and try to figure out which ones are 5c encrypted |
| [13:01:38] | justinh: | vistaprint have confirmed the printing colour discrepancy was converting RGB to CMYK, but they've allowed me to purchase the same things again at the promotional discount price as the original order |
| [13:01:48] | Kelerion: | ok – this is gonna be one of those days... one of our clients just visited the office and sat with one of my web-developers for 2 hours...sitting over his shoulder..."make this this color, no move that there...can we make that flash thing into a different flash thing that will work on an iPad... but now that color doesn't fit...change it back"... poor guy |
| [13:01:52] | justinh: | won't be making that mistake again |
| [13:02:47] | justinh: | Kelerion: not leaving the design up to the designers? Sounds like muppetry |
| [13:03:48] | Kelerion: | I do...but then the Project Managers turn around and say "I don't like it".. without consulting the client to get "their" view.. |
| [13:04:07] | justinh: | when I did this dog training club website I took my laptop to the committee & said here it is. And lo, they went Ooooooooooooooo |
| [13:04:23] | justinh: | bah. Project manglers |
| [13:04:31] | Kelerion: | I trust that the designers know what they are doing – and they generally do a good job... but then we get "nah! take that bit out.. change that.. etc".. completely destroys a site |
| [13:05:07] | jk__: | hi, I set up my LIRC to send keyboard events (so I can drop the .lircrc) and MythTV works fine with it. Only problem is that mplayer doesn't recv any keyboard events when started by MythTV. Anyone knows a fix for this? |
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| [13:05:12] | justinh: | sounds like their brief isn't thought out, or they don't have one beyond "we want a website" |
| [13:05:22] | justinh: | jk__: yes, stop using mplayer & only use Internal |
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| [13:05:44] | Kelerion: | same ol' helpful answers... damn I've missed this place :P |
| [13:05:44] | jk__: | internal can play ogg,mkv,avi? |
| [13:05:56] | justinh: | jk__: erm.. YUP |
| [13:06:03] | justinh: | there's very little it won't be able to play |
| [13:06:29] | justinh: | and if you ever find something it can't play, report it & maybe soon it will be able to :-) |
| [13:06:34] | Kelerion: | internal still using libavcodec? |
| [13:06:53] | justinh: | Kelerion: yes |
| [13:07:07] | Kelerion: | there ya go.. if vlc can play it... internal can too |
| [13:07:13] | justinh: | not quite |
| [13:07:23] | Kelerion: | vlc uses libavcodec, right? |
| [13:07:40] | justinh: | vlc might be ahead of mythtv at times – remember myth is only synced every so often |
| [13:08:07] | Kelerion: | is internal using its own lib? or the external libavcodec lib? |
| [13:08:18] | justinh: | internal mythtv lib |
| [13:08:21] | Kelerion: | ah |
| [13:08:32] | justinh: | pulled from ffmpeg, synced occasionally |
| [13:08:38] | Kelerion: | gotcha |
| [13:08:46] | justinh: | or whatever the hell ffmpeg is calling itself since the umm.. event |
| [13:08:53] | Kelerion: | *laughs* |
| [13:09:33] | justinh: | I tried following it when I first heard about it, but got lost half way through a thread. OSS politics |
| [13:10:37] | jk__: | works :D |
| [13:10:40] | jk__: | ty |
| [13:11:00] | justinh: | whee, and the 'as far as I can tell' test of the new HDMI cable is... man from Del Monte says YES |
| [13:11:08] | Kelerion: | oh..and I'm tech-support as well.. "I got a problem with this".. "reboot".. "ok, why did it happen?".."don't know..reboot and tell me if its working again" |
| [13:11:20] | justinh: | lol |
| [13:12:04] | justinh: | the people I've given editor privs on the site I run have varied skills. most of them have got really into it & make lovely posts. One guy, Ken.. isn't the wordiest bloke around bless him |
| [13:12:06] | Kelerion: | "but i have open documents".."save 'em...reboot..." "ooooh...do I have to?"..."yes!" |
| [13:12:50] | Kelerion: | you trust people to make posts?? damn, thats extreme! |
| [13:13:09] | justinh: | I'm really not fine giving the go-ahead to use this new internal hdmi cable in production. I want to hire a scope & test it properly. Ooo noo, that's like 5 hundred quids |
| [13:13:19] | Kelerion: | god bless the "Age of Delegation" |
| [13:14:12] | justinh: | we got bit by this before. I was asked to test HDMI over an untwisted, unshielded ribbon cable – I tested it on one unit with a load of different monitors, stupidly long hdmi cables & said "well it worked". They went into production with it & it failed |
| [13:14:34] | Kelerion: | "but can't you do the tests yourself?" "yes.. I'll fit it in in-between the rest of the crap I have to deal with" |
| [13:14:41] | justinh: | heh |
| [13:14:58] | justinh: | the whole point of the dog club website is that the people doing the stuff can do their own items :) |
| [13:15:03] | justinh: | keeps a load off me |
| [13:15:30] | justinh: | and the whole point of it being based on a great CMS is that... mere mortals can do the updating :D |
| [13:16:30] | Kelerion: | oh great.. just heard.. two of our sites got hacked last night by "moroccan-hackers".. its on one of our old-old-old hosting servers.. it looks like they went through a vulnerability in mysql and reset the admin password for joomla |
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| [13:18:21] | justinh: | heh |
| [13:19:02] | wagnerrp: | aagh.... |
| [13:19:03] | justinh: | shouldn't have made a site admin name Craig "DROP TABLE users;" T. :-P |
| [13:19:23] | wagnerrp: | drive all the way up to microcenter and they dont open until 10am |
| [13:19:32] | wagnerrp: | justinh: little graigy tables? |
| [13:19:36] | Kelerion: | when I first started working here...they had absolutely *no* backups.. of *anything*.. so one of my my first jobs was implementing a decent automated backup |
| [13:19:39] | wagnerrp: | *craigy |
| [13:20:03] | justinh: | wagnerrp: something like that. <3 xkcd |
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| [13:20:42] | justinh: | I might get round to playing with joomla one day. if they've fixed the mysql injection hole ;) |
| [13:20:54] | wagnerrp: | Kelerion: i thought VLC had its own decoding libraries independent of ffmpeg |
| [13:21:30] | justinh: | anyway folks, bottom line is this: try Internal before anything else. There shouldn't be much it can't handle these days |
| [13:21:43] | justinh: | and if there is, get it reported, stat! |
| [13:21:50] | Kelerion: | I think VLC under linux uses the ffmpeg lib... under windows it installs its own... but I might be wrong |
| [13:21:52] | wagnerrp: | justinh: theres ffmpeg, which broke off to form ffmpeg, which was then recovered by the group now called ffmpeg, leaving the other group to call themselves libav |
| [13:24:21] | justinh: | wagnerrp: ahh. so simples :-) |
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| [13:28:19] | justinh: | holy moo. Is it really this easy? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxhrf08JZZM |
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| [13:34:34] | stuartm: | justinh: if the developers of the applications are morons, yes |
| [13:35:22] | wagnerrp: | stuartm: well in the video, he looked like he broke into the basic 'you have installed joomla correctly' page |
| [13:36:21] | stuartm: | sadly, there are examples in mythtv where we're not using prepared queries properly ... but then the argument you get back is that there are dozens of ways to cause damage with myth so what's another hole matter? |
| [13:38:00] | wagnerrp: | i do agree on that, i would like to see an effort to fuzz the protocol over the next few versions |
| [13:38:33] | justinh: | --enable-sooper-hardening at compile time :-) |
| [13:39:28] | stuartm: | it's really pretty trivial to defend against sql injection, even if you don't use prepared queries (which you should, defence in depth and all) |
| [13:40:00] | justinh: | I've got a book on php & mysql somewhere & it's one of the first things they mention |
| [13:40:08] | wagnerrp: | prepared queries... meaning using the qt prepare/bind/exec calls? |
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| [13:43:24] | stuartm: | wagnerrp: yes, assuming you are using the bindValue calls to insert variables and not doing something like – prepare("SELECT * FROM settings WHERE data=" . string . " AND host=" . hoststring); |
| [13:43:57] | wagnerrp: | why would you want to do that? |
| [13:44:00] | stuartm: | "SELECT * FROM settings WHERE data = :DATA AND host = :HOST" is safe |
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| [13:44:23] | stuartm: | wagnerrp: don't ask me, but there are examples of it throughout the code |
| [13:44:24] | wagnerrp: | i mean its just easier to let the sql bindings handle the data manipulation |
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| [13:45:01] | nidhoegger: | hi |
| [13:45:18] | wagnerrp: | the only time i can think of in the python bindings where i dont let the bindings handle type management is in generating power rules |
| [13:45:28] | stuartm: | wagnerrp: probably just people who have no prior experience with prepared queries and binding, in the dark old days you did build up a query in that way |
| [13:45:44] | wagnerrp: | since in that case, you have to prepare the query, and then insert it as a string in a value in the database |
| [13:46:00] | nidhoegger: | i still got a problem compiling mythtv 0.24 on my gentoo machine: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/392259/ heres the build log. what can the error be? revdep-rebuild doesnt report errors, world update is done...error begins on line 31 and occurs in mpeg2fix |
| [13:46:17] | stuartm: | wagnerrp: yeah, and that's why the power-search rule stuff is icky |
| [13:46:31] | wagnerrp: | all the old python code did manually build the queries |
| [13:47:13] | stuartm: | iamlindoro had a plan to improve it, abstract the sql behind a series of generic rule building blocks |
| [13:47:28] | wagnerrp: | march=pentium4? i thought we fixed that |
| [13:47:59] | nidhoegger: | its in the 20100515 release |
| [13:48:24] | nidhoegger: | and i have -march=native (but i guess it is translated to pentium4) |
| [13:48:26] | wagnerrp: | i mean.. i thought we blocked gentoo from forcing an architecture, and let configure decide what to do instead |
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| [13:49:08] | nidhoegger: | seems not |
| [13:49:35] | nidhoegger: | i used the ebuilds from git |
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| [13:50:29] | wagnerrp: | well it seems your Qt libraries were somehow built without qt3 support |
| [13:50:46] | wagnerrp: | which it seems we still need in a couple places |
| [13:50:53] | nidhoegger: | [U] x11-libs/qt-core |
| [13:50:54] | nidhoegger: | Available versions: (4) 4.6.2-r1 4.6.3 4.6.3-r1 4.7.2-r1 ~4.7.3 |
| [13:50:54] | nidhoegger: | {aqua debug doc +exceptions +glib iconv +jit optimized-qmake pch private-headers qt3support ssl} |
| [13:50:54] | nidhoegger: | Installed versions: 4.6.3(4)(21:54:15 16.11.2010)(exceptions glib iconv qt3support ssl -aqua -debug -doc -optimized-qmake -pch) |
| [13:51:07] | nidhoegger: | qt3support is even in the USE of the make.conf |
| [13:51:10] | wagnerrp: | of course looking at the ebuild, qt3support is defined as a required use key for several qt packages |
| [13:51:14] | nidhoegger: | and mythtv 0.23 runs fine.... |
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| [13:52:05] | stuartm: | thwg: no, you do not have to run mythfilldatabase as a cron job, the backend does that for you |
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| [13:52:29] | nidhoegger: | should i rebuild QT? |
| [13:52:42] | thwg: | stuartm: so I must be missing something – I just realized my schedule was almost out of future data and had to run mythfilldatabase manually |
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| [13:53:34] | wagnerrp: | thwg: did you configure mythfilldatabase to use the '--dd-grab-all' option when running? |
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| [13:54:12] | thwg: | wagnerrp: probably not – can you refer me to some documentation? I haven't found anything relevant yet |
| [13:54:26] | wagnerrp: | mythtv-setup, first section |
| [13:54:42] | wagnerrp: | there will be an editbox with 'mythfilldatabase' |
| [13:54:49] | wagnerrp: | add '--dd-grab-all' onto the end of it |
| [13:55:03] | wagnerrp: | try running that once from the command line and see what happens |
| [13:55:28] | stuartm: | wagnerrp: that shouldn't be necessary? |
| [13:55:49] | wagnerrp: | shouldnt be, no |
| [13:55:57] | wagnerrp: | but a couple months ago, i stopped getting data for some reason |
| [13:56:12] | wagnerrp: | switching to that for whatever reason fixed it |
| [13:56:22] | wagnerrp: | and were all supposed to be switching to that anyway |
| [13:56:39] | wagnerrp: | (unless of course youre running something like an Atom that cant handle the load it causes) |
| [13:56:44] | thwg: | wagnerrp: I currently only have ssh access – can you point me to the config file? |
| [13:56:54] | wagnerrp: | we dont use config files |
| [13:57:09] | wagnerrp: | just ssh in and run 'mythfilldatabase' |
| [13:57:13] | wagnerrp: | no options, see what happens |
| [13:57:17] | wagnerrp: | if you get errors or anything |
| [13:57:23] | stuartm: | wagnerrp: hmm, ok, ideally the code should therefore be modified to grab everything by default |
| [13:57:39] | thwg: | wagnerrp: it updated successfully – no errors; my data is up to data again |
| [13:57:52] | thwg: | date* |
| [13:58:02] | stuartm: | thwg: the other possibility is that you've accidentally disabled the automatic execution of mfdb in the settings |
| [13:58:07] | wagnerrp: | stuartm: IMHO, it should be default with those users with underspecc'd machines being able to disable it |
| [13:58:28] | wagnerrp: | but those users with Atoms wont think to do so, since of course they have a powerful machine |
| [13:58:39] | wagnerrp: | and the way it does updates is very disruptive |
| [13:58:54] | wagnerrp: | it dumps the whole program table, and rebuilds it from scratch on each run |
| [13:59:08] | wagnerrp: | so if you have any recordings that will start during that period, it could break them |
| [13:59:14] | stuartm: | wagnerrp: many xmltv grabbers won't grab everything at once for bandwidth/server load reasons and not because of the additional client side processing |
| [13:59:42] | stuartm: | wagnerrp: but the uk xmltv grabber has always made a single grab of all 14 days of data each time it runs |
| [13:59:52] | wagnerrp: | or perhaps the concern is more about it running over 15 minutes and hitting the next scheduler run |
| [14:00:02] | thwg: | wagnerrp: I can set up a cron job to do this, but I figured there had to be a more elegant way |
| [14:00:21] | wagnerrp: | in any case, since its pulling one big chunk of data, theres less processing load on the servers to generate it |
| [14:00:28] | stuartm: | but the xmltv code path doesn't truncate the program table, it always performs intelligent updates |
| [14:00:31] | wagnerrp: | than an individual file for each day |
| [14:00:46] | wagnerrp: | thwg: no, no cron job |
| [14:00:52] | wagnerrp: | mythbackend will automatically run it as needed |
| [14:01:11] | wagnerrp: | and on multiple runs, schedules direct will tell it when it wants the backend to run it next |
| [14:01:19] | thwg: | wagnerrp: and the only way to configure it is via the GUI? |
| [14:01:22] | wagnerrp: | as a server managed load balancing |
| [14:01:23] | stuartm: | thwg: we strongly discourage users from putting mfdb in a cron job, mythbackend will be much more intelligent about how and when to run it |
| [14:02:08] | thwg: | stuartm: understood; I just won't have access to my GUI for several days – just have to be patient, I guess |
| [14:02:14] | stuartm: | IMHO we should remove the 'disable automatic mfdb runs' setting, it causes too much confusion |
| [14:02:44] | stuartm: | thwg: if you're comfortable with mysql you could check the setting directly |
| [14:03:02] | thwg: | stuartm: I am... point me to the table/field |
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| [14:04:09] | stuartm: | SELECT * FROM settings WHERE value='MythFillEnabled'; |
| [14:04:17] | thwg: | stuartm: thanks |
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| [14:06:08] | stuartm: | you want data='1' vs data='0' |
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| [14:09:15] | thwg: | yep; it's 0 |
| [14:09:17] | thwg: | I'll update |
| [14:10:29] | thwg: | do I need to restart the backend or anything? |
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| [14:10:36] | stuartm: | thwg: you might need to restart the backend after that, but it should then automatically run mfdb as required |
| [14:11:51] | thwg: | stuartm: cool, done – thanks for the help |
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| [14:48:33] | justinh: | trying to hang vistaprint out to dry. downloaded the preview image they created from my upload & it's been converted to CMYK. Original red was #FF0000 and now it's the CMYK equiv, and yet the print – he no look like this. I fear I may not win & will just have to cut my loss |
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| [15:08:13] | hashbang: | justinh: re. printing; but displays and printed media have completely different gamuts... or are you just saying that you'd like the CMYK preview image to look like the final article, rather than the RGB original? |
| [15:10:06] | justinh: | hashbang: I'm saying the RGB 'full red' looks similar enough to 'pigment red' (M & Y mixed in equal proportions) for my needs – but the print doesn't look like that on on the shirts – and yet it does on the paper labels |
| [15:10:45] | justinh: | they converted it to CMYK when I uploaded it in RGB format. Downloaded it again & it looks similar enough that I'd be happy if that's what the finished article looked like |
| [15:10:59] | wagnerrp: | i actually got out of there better than expected |
| [15:11:09] | justinh: | I know what pigment red looks like. Nice & bright |
| [15:11:17] | wagnerrp: | microcenter is running a deal on AMD processors, $40 off with a mobo |
| [15:11:22] | justinh: | not this weird sh*tty looking colour I got |
| [15:11:25] | wagnerrp: | $30 more for the processor, $40 off total |
| [15:11:55] | justinh: | jees, ASDA do a better job of colour tshirt printing |
| [15:12:01] | justinh: | but they don't do transparency |
| [15:12:11] | hashbang: | wagnerrp: hmm, so a CPU+Mobo for less than the Mobo alone? Bargwin! |
| [15:12:26] | wagnerrp: | hashbang: not exactly |
| [15:12:39] | wagnerrp: | i got a $90 CPU rather than the $60 one i had planned on |
| [15:13:00] | hashbang: | wagnerrp: ah well, still not too dusty. |
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| [15:14:56] | justinh: | hashbang: design only uses 3 colours. I could have given em pantone codes :) |
| [15:18:35] | justinh: | hashbang: I know for a fact the red was #ff0000, so I know when I look at the preview they converted it to CMYK because it's no longer #FF0000. The preview image is on a paper label stuck to the garments & it looks near enough to the original. The final thing however, is crap and can only be explained by a difference in gamut between processes – i.e. paper printing vs fabric process |
| [15:19:18] | justinh: | in other words, they're a bunch of sheisters |
| [15:19:59] | hashbang: | justinh: TBH, I think that's somewhat intrinsic with any kind of DIY printing |
| [15:20:07] | justinh: | if it was purely a RGB vs CMYK gamut thing, the paper label would look at least similar to the fabric print I reckon |
| [15:20:24] | hashbang: | justinh: cheap=error prone,time-consuming, correct=expensive |
| [15:20:34] | Hoochster: | never used to be really but is there any advantage to run myth in 64 bit now adays? |
| [15:20:55] | justinh: | so they're trying to get off the hook by saying it's RGB vs CMYK when it ain't. Ach well. they can go die in a fiew |
| [15:21:02] | justinh: | *go die in a fire |
| [15:21:09] | hashbang: | justinh: right, that's cheeky |
| [15:21:25] | wagnerrp: | Hoochster: the better question is... is there any disadvantage to to run myth in 64-bit |
| [15:21:33] | Hoochster: | :) |
| [15:21:37] | justinh: | hashbang: the old "images on screen may look slightly different" thing – I fully understand that. Not *this* different though. |
| [15:21:55] | Hoochster: | well as ya know I ordered those parts for a new backend heh so just getting things ready |
| [15:22:30] | hashbang: | justinh: I take the view that if it's important the colours come out right, you pay for a pro to work with you and get it right. |
| [15:23:02] | hashbang: | justinh: if you don't, then it's pretty much luck as to whether it turns out acceptable or not. |
| [15:23:16] | justinh: | hashbang: the original #ff0000 has come out more like (opens GIMP) #DE842C |
| [15:24:16] | justinh: | yeh well, I'd dealt with amateurs like ASDA & hadn't been let down like this. Didn't figure an experienced outfit would be like this – and FWIW they ain't cheap |
| [15:24:18] | hashbang: | justinh: wow, that's quite a difference. |
| [15:25:04] | hashbang: | justinh: I used VistaPrint about 9 years ago to do business cards with their ActiveX browser design tool. They turned out fine, but I've never used them for anything else. |
| [15:25:07] | justinh: | like I said I wanted bright red.. I got a dullish orange |
| [15:25:44] | justinh: | that it's on a black shirt I could understand but the white is super bright, and the inks are very thick |
| [15:26:16] | justinh: | bah. better way to do it would be with screenprinting or vinyl |
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| [15:26:34] | wagnerrp: | thousands of sata cables in a box, and not a single bloody bpower adapter |
| [15:27:13] | justinh: | only problem with screenprinting.. way expensive for one-offs |
| [15:28:28] | justinh: | one t-shirt I have uses cutout shapes layered on top of one another. that's really cool. it's like funky foam :-) |
| [15:30:22] | justinh: | wagnerrp: we're always out of them here. have to rob them out of machines not currently powered up :P |
| [15:30:39] | justinh: | about time more PSUs came with sata power |
| [15:30:52] | justinh: | I mean *how* long have sata drives been around now?! |
| [15:31:31] | justinh: | ooo hometime :-) Have a great weekend, all |
| [15:31:35] | wagnerrp: | :) grabbed one out of a 5yr old workstation a couple minutes ago |
| [15:34:13] | wagnerrp: | motherboard expects a supply capable of 500W |
| [15:34:17] | wagnerrp: | i think this one will do 200 |
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| [17:11:12] | Beirdo: | Ahhhh, just loud enough :) |
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| [17:19:08] | Muzer: | why does scanning with mythtv appear to be much less reliable than scanning with... just about anything else? |
| [17:19:48] | Muzer: | the command-line "scan" tool works fine, but frequently the MythTV one doesn't pick up the service name, or the LCN, or both, of many of the channels |
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| [17:22:24] | Muzer: | even importing the channels.conf with "ignore signal timeout" set doesn't pick up all the channels the majority of the time |
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| [17:32:37] | Beirdo: | argh |
| [17:32:52] | Beirdo: | I need to slap that stupid Powerbook into submission. |
| [17:33:16] | Beirdo: | I think it went to sleep when I closed the lid, even though I told it never to go to sleep |
| [17:33:39] | Beirdo: | or maybe I bumped the power cord off again. |
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| [17:40:25] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: well i picked up the new parts, am installing currently |
| [17:40:43] | wagnerrp: | should have a working system to set up a build slave on tonight |
| [17:41:14] | Beirdo: | sweet |
| [17:41:30] | wagnerrp: | ended up getting a 3.3GHz phenom |
| [17:41:40] | wagnerrp: | it was $10 cheaper than the 3GHz Athlon |
| [17:41:43] | Beirdo: | I wish 1TB 2.5" disks weren't so expensive :) |
| [17:41:54] | wagnerrp: | 2.5"? |
| [17:41:58] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [17:42:03] | Beirdo: | laptop sized |
| [17:42:12] | wagnerrp: | for? |
| [17:42:21] | Beirdo: | I can fit 6 of em into a single 5.25" external bay |
| [17:42:36] | wagnerrp: | lies... 6? |
| [17:42:38] | mag0o: | Beirdo: newegg had the 2.5" 5400 on sale the other day for $80 |
| [17:42:39] | Beirdo: | 6 |
| [17:42:40] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [17:42:43] | wagnerrp: | ive seen units like that, but never more than 4 |
| [17:42:57] | wagnerrp: | what, do you stack them 3 high? |
| [17:42:59] | Beirdo: | let me find it again |
| [17:43:02] | Beirdo: | yup |
| [17:43:23] | wagnerrp: | it probably cant handle 12mm 1TB drives anyway |
| [17:43:32] | wagnerrp: | probably limited to the 9mm or 7mm ones |
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| [17:46:26] | wagnerrp: | ive seen 4 in 1, at which its still denser to use 3TBs in 5 in 3s |
| [17:46:40] | wagnerrp: | but 6 in 1, i dont believe that works as you think it does |
| [17:47:29] | Beirdo: | I'm trying to find it, newegg buries those things |
| [17:48:46] | Beirdo: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817998144 |
| [17:48:48] | Beirdo: | finally :) |
| [17:48:59] | Beirdo: | and yeah, only up to 9.5mm |
| [17:50:02] | wagnerrp: | plus its a thermaltake |
| [17:50:19] | Beirdo: | what, they can't make backplanes? |
| [17:50:35] | wagnerrp: | i dont like them |
| [17:50:40] | wagnerrp: | i dont know why i dont like them |
| [17:50:46] | wagnerrp: | i dont think ive ever purchased any of their stuff |
| [17:50:52] | wagnerrp: | i just... dont |
| [17:51:40] | wagnerrp: | the 1TBs on newegg are 12.5mm |
| [17:51:49] | kormoc: | Beirdo, you need to install insomnia (free via app store) |
| [17:52:01] | Beirdo: | oh? |
| [17:52:07] | Beirdo: | android or iphone? |
| [17:52:19] | kormoc: | Beirdo, for your powerbook, OS X app store |
| [17:52:30] | kormoc: | it'll keep it from sleeping via lid shutting |
| [17:52:30] | Beirdo: | my powerbook runs ubuntu :) |
| [17:52:33] | kormoc: | ooh |
| [17:52:35] | kormoc: | never mind then |
| [17:52:43] | Beirdo: | ahhh, but yeah, I need something like that |
| [17:52:55] | Beirdo: | just shut off the backlight, that's all I need |
| [17:53:39] | wagnerrp: | then what do you have running the osx buildbot? |
| [17:53:54] | wagnerrp: | oh, thats a linux-ppc buildbot |
| [17:53:55] | wagnerrp: | nevermind |
| [17:54:11] | kormoc: | I half feel like I'm the OS X buildbot... ;) |
| [17:54:31] | wagnerrp: | not like you dont have the spare power to run one |
| [17:54:35] | kormoc: | speaking of, I should finish my -m64 changes and send it to nigel to commit |
| [17:54:36] | skd5aner: | I wonder if someone could build a HD cage that holds 2.5mm drives vertically across 2 5.25 drive bays... that would fit like 8–10 drives |
| [17:55:49] | dewman: | haha....an end of the world person just came to my door...he asked me if I was saved, I said my database backups are saved to tape.. he turned around and left. |
| [17:55:58] | skd5aner: | no way |
| [17:56:20] | dewman: | he had the doomsday t-shirt on. |
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| [17:56:34] | skd5aner: | crazy |
| [17:56:35] | dewman: | dang it, I should have got a photo... |
| [17:56:43] | kormoc: | skd5aner, I doubt you'd fit 8 in there |
| [17:56:49] | mag0o: | bahaha |
| [17:56:51] | mag0o: | nice |
| [17:57:40] | skd5aner: | kormoc: 5.25 divided by .492125984 = 10.66800 |
| [17:57:50] | skd5aner: | " |
| [17:58:10] | skd5aner: | 12.5mm – .492..." |
| [17:58:29] | skd5aner: | if you went with the smaller 9mm drives you could fit even more |
| [17:58:42] | wagnerrp: | skd5aner: i have seen supermicro cases like that, but im coming up empty currently |
| [17:59:01] | ** skd5aner runs off to the patent office ** | |
| [17:59:03] | skd5aner: | ;) |
| [17:59:06] | Beirdo: | well, for OSX, stuarta is working on getting a buildbot going |
| [17:59:13] | kormoc: | skd5aner, that's not including mounting hardware, swap hardware, etc |
| [17:59:15] | wagnerrp: | ooh, here we go |
| [18:00:44] | skd5aner: | kormoc: true, but 8 of them would take up 3.94", leaving a whole 1.3" for that stuff – that's more than enough |
| [18:01:27] | kormoc: | I just know that looking at my 24 drive monsters, 8 of them appear wider then a cdrom drive |
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| [18:02:08] | JEDIDIAH__: | you can already get 4x drive racks that do 2.5 -> 5.25 |
| [18:02:18] | skd5aner: | heh – don't know – just using google as my on-the-fly calculator here |
| [18:02:23] | wagnerrp: | skd5aner: http://www.supermicro.com/products/chassis/4U . . . 6-RJBOD1.cfm |
| [18:02:43] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: sweet :D |
| [18:02:46] | NewBuntu81: | Has anyone built or thought of building a mythbox with a solid state drive instead of a regular "tape" hard drive? |
| [18:02:58] | ** kormoc blinks at NewBuntu81 ** | |
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| [18:03:08] | wagnerrp: | tape drive? |
| [18:03:08] | kormoc: | NewBuntu81, if you're using "tape", you're back in the early 80's... |
| [18:03:27] | NewBuntu81: | normal hard drives...have tape in them |
| [18:03:32] | skd5aner: | You mean, 60's... |
| [18:03:32] | NewBuntu81: | or ribben or whatever you want to call it. |
| [18:03:33] | iamlindoro: | This UK guy on the mailing list is clueproof |
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| [18:03:38] | JEDIDIAH__: | supermicro also makes a nice 5x 3.5 -> 5.25 triple height hot swap rack. I have 2 of them. |
| [18:03:43] | kormoc: | NewBuntu81, they do not. |
| [18:03:47] | wagnerrp: | hard drives have tape in them? |
| [18:04:01] | skd5aner: | NewBuntu81: I think you mean SSD versus magnetic platters |
| [18:04:09] | NewBuntu81: | i thought the SATA/PATA drives are magnetic with tape? |
| [18:04:09] | kormoc: | NewBuntu81, http://www.harddriverecoveryfix.com/wp-conten . . . ve-parts.jpg |
| [18:04:15] | wagnerrp: | you might find a ribbon connector on the armature |
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| [18:04:22] | kormoc: | they're magnetic to metal platters |
| [18:04:24] | JEDIDIAH__: | tape is either cheap crap or serious overkill enterprise stuff. |
| [18:04:39] | NewBuntu81: | hahaha, ok, anyway... |
| [18:04:45] | NewBuntu81: | has anyone thought of going to solid state? |
| [18:04:47] | NewBuntu81: | or have one working? |
| [18:04:58] | skd5aner: | Lots of people I'm sure |
| [18:04:58] | kormoc: | NewBuntu81, and no, not a single person in the years SSDs have been out have thought to try it... |
| [18:05:13] | wagnerrp: | wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwhy would you? |
| [18:05:13] | wagnerrp: | theyre too expensive |
| [18:05:19] | wagnerrp: | crap! |
| [18:05:20] | kormoc: | I mean, I'd use them for my other computers, but that computer! Unheard of! |
| [18:05:38] | NewBuntu81: | lol. i was just curious... :-) they're coming down in price |
| [18:05:39] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, meh. There's some cheap ones that are slow slow slow slow slow |
| [18:05:44] | wagnerrp: | for boot, sure... but not bulk storage |
| [18:05:56] | JEDIDIAH__: | I've thought of putting a 2.5 inch something in a 3.5 inch hot swap rack on my master backend since I've got an unused SATA port and nothing by 3.5 bays left. |
| [18:06:05] | skd5aner: | I think danielk the other day said he saw some issues with one he had in a test box |
| [18:06:07] | JEDIDIAH__: | SSD is still WAY too expensive. |
| [18:06:24] | wagnerrp: | the cheapest ive seen is still ~$1/GB |
| [18:06:31] | skd5aner: | honestly – I have no desire to have an SSD drive for really anything I have |
| [18:06:43] | JEDIDIAH__: | SSD is faster. |
| [18:06:47] | skd5aner: | yea, so? |
| [18:06:54] | wagnerrp: | compared to a tenth that for mechanical drives |
| [18:06:55] | JEDIDIAH__: | once you get into TB of stuff, it could make a difference. |
| [18:06:55] | kormoc: | not always |
| [18:07:27] | skd5aner: | my standard HDDs now aren't usually a huge bottleneck and the performance gains aren't on the order of magnitudes |
| [18:07:27] | Muzer: | the "Chose icon" screen seems to be near enough unusable for channels with very short names |
| [18:07:33] | kormoc: | that $50 16 gig ssh is not fast... at all... |
| [18:07:45] | Muzer: | because it only returns a certain number of results, and I can't find a way to search for a whole word, for instance |
| [18:08:08] | Muzer: | so finding the icon for a channel like Q or RT is difficult, to say the least |
| [18:08:11] | JEDIDIAH__: | even a single order of magnitude would be useful. Stuffs getting too big for how fast spinny drives move stuff. |
| [18:08:34] | Muzer: | Q I managed to guess it would be called Q Radio so found it by doing Q_Radio (even though that's not the actual name of the channel), but RT I'm stuck :P |
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| [18:09:17] | NewBuntu81: | The "platter assembly" looks like tape...hahaha. jk http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:HardDiskAnatomy.jpg |
| [18:09:20] | kormoc: | skd5aner, depends on the drive. The new SF2xxx controllers will fully saturate a sata2 link, you need sata3 to get the full speed out of them. |
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| [18:11:49] | wagnerrp: | skd5aner: for linear access, SSDs are only a few times faster than hard drives |
| [18:12:02] | wagnerrp: | for random access, theyre several thousand times faster |
| [18:12:10] | wagnerrp: | (with a halfway decent controller) |
| [18:12:31] | JEDIDIAH__: | so they are no help for copying 7TB from one array/disk to another, eh? |
| [18:13:41] | wagnerrp: | that depends entirely on the storage framework, since in either case its going to have to span several drivesssssss |
| [18:13:44] | kormoc: | sure... 125 megabytes per second to 525 megabytes per second is a nice bump, but 7TB of SSD is ungodly costly right now |
| [18:14:18] | JEDIDIAH__: | yes... exactly... ungodly costly, just what I was thinking. |
| [18:14:22] | wagnerrp: | if you spend the same amount on a giant disk array that you would on 7TB of flash, the disks will do better in sequential access |
| [18:14:26] | JEDIDIAH__: | there's always next year, or the year after. |
| [18:15:33] | kormoc: | 320 gigs of fast ssd is currently running about $19,000 (fusion io) |
| [18:15:53] | wagnerrp: | that doesnt sound quite right |
| [18:16:04] | wagnerrp: | 3200GB, maybe? |
| [18:16:06] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, FusionIO and similars |
| [18:16:10] | kormoc: | nah |
| [18:16:26] | kormoc: | it's enterprisey! |
| [18:16:28] | wagnerrp: | hell, for $19K, screw the flash and use DDR |
| [18:16:48] | wagnerrp: | 320GB of RAM doesnt cost that much |
| [18:17:18] | wagnerrp: | even including the controllers and batteries to make them nonvolitile |
| [18:17:39] | JEDIDIAH__: | now you are talking the old school idea of what an SSD is. |
| [18:17:48] | kormoc: | heh, yeah |
| [18:17:53] | JEDIDIAH__: | used one of those in about ought 1 |
| [18:18:11] | kormoc: | the super fast SSD's are just not priced right imho, but they're selling like hotcakes |
| [18:18:14] | Muzer: | When configuring data sources, it doesn't seem possible to scroll, thereby making it impossible – how do you scroll? |
| [18:18:23] | kormoc: | Muzer, scroll? |
| [18:18:31] | Muzer: | sorry, I wasn't very clear |
| [18:18:58] | Muzer: | when you go to the menu where you can choose where to get EPG data from (just broadcast or web sources |
| [18:18:59] | Muzer: | ) |
| [18:19:03] | Muzer: | and then try to configure a web source |
| [18:19:10] | JEDIDIAH__: | people with the severest need for speed often have big money to throw around. |
| [18:19:11] | Muzer: | it's a CLI-like interface |
| [18:19:24] | Muzer: | but you can't scroll down when the questions it asks you scroll off the bottom |
| [18:19:51] | Muzer: | I've tried pressing down, page down, and end, and a few random keys out of frustration... |
| [18:20:46] | kormoc: | I honestly have no idea what you're talking about. I figured you'd configure that externally |
| [18:21:03] | Muzer: | yeah, I'm using the mythtv configuration thingyh |
| [18:21:09] | Muzer: | or is that not actually part of mythtv? |
| [18:21:13] | Muzer: | it may be Mythbuntu's doing :P |
| [18:21:13] | kormoc: | and if you're in the US or Canada, you'd just use SD and configure it via the web |
| [18:21:25] | kormoc: | Muzer, it's likely mythbuntu, I've never heard of it |
| [18:21:41] | Muzer: | /usr/bin/mythtv-setup |
| [18:21:46] | kormoc: | noahric, that's us |
| [18:21:50] | Muzer: | I didn't even know it was possible for web config :P |
| [18:22:03] | Muzer: | well, it would explain it, judging by the rest of Canonical's coding standards that I've seen myself :P |
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| [18:29:24] | wagnerrp: | and now the long process or reinstalling... |
| [18:30:52] | Muzer: | so, I didn't even realise MythTV had web config – what port's it on? |
| [18:31:15] | wagnerrp: | mythtv doesnt have a web config |
| [18:31:36] | wagnerrp: | (at least not at the current time) |
| [18:32:08] | wagnerrp: | Muzer: kormoc is telling you to subscribe to a schedules direct account, and configure the account through its web config |
| [18:32:29] | wagnerrp: | afterwards, you just feed your account login into mythtv-setup, select a lineup, and youre done |
| [18:32:32] | Muzer: | oh, I see |
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| [18:33:09] | tgm4883: | Muzer, Canonical doesn't have anything to do with Mythbuntu, other than building the disk |
| [18:33:16] | tgm4883: | oh, and thanks for the compliment |
| [18:34:02] | Muzer: | well, I've never been able to get the proprietary driver selector to work, or any other of the little tools Canonical have written |
| [18:34:12] | Muzer: | it usually crashed |
| [18:34:22] | tgm4883: | Muzer, how can I put this for you to understand |
| [18:34:25] | Muzer: | one reason I stopped using Ubuntu (but I stuck Mythbuntu on this because I just wanted something quick) |
| [18:34:45] | tgm4883: | Canonical has not built any of the mythbuntu stuff |
| [18:34:52] | Muzer: | yeah, I know, I heard |
| [18:35:02] | tgm4883: | proprietary driver selector in Mythbuntu-control-centre? |
| [18:35:05] | Muzer: | no |
| [18:35:05] | tgm4883: | or jockey? |
| [18:35:08] | tgm4883: | ok then |
| [18:35:08] | Muzer: | jockey |
| [18:35:17] | Muzer: | I was wrong about mythtv-setup being Canonical |
| [18:35:22] | Muzer: | but it still doesn't work properly :P |
| [18:35:40] | akugel: | Hello |
| [18:35:49] | akugel: | First time on this channel |
| [18:35:51] | ** tgm4883 is in a bad mood and probably shouldn't talk to users right now ** | |
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| [18:37:03] | Muzer: | but here's the bit I'm talking about: |
| [18:37:08] | Muzer: | load mythtv-setup |
| [18:37:13] | akugel: | Does anybody know why Fedora 14 MythTV claims to be 0.24.7? |
| [18:37:23] | wagnerrp: | bad packaging |
| [18:37:40] | Muzer: | Video sources, select the card, set the "Listings grabber" to something, and select "Configure" |
| [18:37:47] | Muzer: | that gives a command-line-style configuration window |
| [18:38:08] | Muzer: | but when the prompts start to scroll out of the text area, you can't scroll down to read more (despite the obvious presence of a scroll bar) |
| [18:38:19] | Muzer: | or at least, I'm too stupid to figure out how :P |
| [18:38:21] | tgm4883: | Muzer, IIRC, that shouldn't give a cmd line style config window. But you should probably give us a screenshot |
| [18:38:39] | stuartm: | tgm4883: it does for xmltv, i.e. if you're not in North America |
| [18:38:48] | Muzer: | k |
| [18:38:52] | tgm4883: | ah |
| [18:38:56] | stuartm: | and yes it's broken, and no it won't get fixed because in the next release that code won't exist |
| [18:38:59] | kormoc: | can't you configure xmltv outside of myth? |
| [18:39:07] | tgm4883: | stuartm, thanks for the info, i didn't know that |
| [18:39:11] | stuartm: | kormoc: yes you can and that's the best way to go about it |
| [18:39:14] | akugel: | What does "Signal (TL___) Partial Lock" mean on mythtv frontend |
| [18:39:24] | Muzer: | stuartm: ah, can you point me to where I can find out how? |
| [18:39:28] | akugel: | all my channels seem to be getting that |
| [18:39:58] | stuartm: | Muzer: xmltv.org should cover it somewhere, but running the xmltv grabber script with --configure should work iirc |
| [18:40:02] | akugel: | (using with new HDHomerun) |
| [18:40:23] | Muzer: | stuartm: as a user I assume...? |
| [18:40:26] | Muzer: | or as root? |
| [18:40:53] | stuartm: | Muzer: as the user that will be running the MythTV applications |
| [18:41:59] | stuartm: | the whole need to configure the xmltv scripts from the command line sucks and that's why they finally added an API we could use instead, 0.25 will be using that API to do configuration instead so it should be a lot nicer |
| [18:45:21] | Muzer: | well, it seems to be working |
| [18:45:41] | Muzer: | btw, how does it know which channels on the tuner correspond to which xmltv channels? Or do you have to configure that somewhere too? |
| [18:45:59] | wagnerrp: | Muzer: if analog, you simply import them from the lineup |
| [18:46:11] | wagnerrp: | if digital, you have to manually match the xmltvids in the channel editor |
| [18:46:35] | Muzer: | ah, k |
| [18:46:42] | Muzer: | I'll go into the channel editor after this, then |
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| [18:49:39] | Muzer: | though it would be nice if there was a way to go back in the channel selection for the UK Radio Times one :P |
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| [18:50:17] | akugel: | I thought about building from source, but I don't seem to have libmp3lame, which doesn't seem to be in the rpmfusion repos, and a version I did find conflicts with an rpmfusion package. That sounds like a bear to fix. |
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| [19:04:11] | swerve: | can't get mythbackend to start |
| [19:04:29] | wagnerrp: | need see logs |
| [19:04:31] | swerve: | fails to start on boot, and running the script just returns prompt with no message or anything |
| [19:05:09] | swerve: | log is empty |
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| [19:05:31] | wagnerrp: | then manually run 'mythbackend' on the command line |
| [19:05:38] | wagnerrp: | and put the results in a pastebin |
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| [19:06:51] | swerve: | oh wait – some dependency probls.... |
| [19:07:00] | swerve: | mythtv is a mess on debian |
| [19:07:46] | mythter_bill: | I'm having problems with my new mythtv installation. |
| [19:08:58] | mythter_bill: | sometimes my gnome/X session crashes, or at least I suddenly find myself at the user login screen. |
| [19:09:29] | wagnerrp: | what graphics card? what playback profile? |
| [19:13:48] | mythter_bill: | I'm using an nvidia GeForce 430 GT. How do check the playback profile? |
| [19:14:59] | wagnerrp: | frontend --> settings --> setup --> not sure from there, its changed in trunk |
| [19:15:17] | wagnerrp: | its under Playback or TV Playback, a couple screens in |
| [19:15:51] | mythter_bill: | I'll give it a look. |
| [19:16:53] | swerve: | ok, got it – just some debian repo issue, thx |
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| [19:21:15] | mythter_bill: | the playback profile is "cpu+". I don't think that's what you thought I should look for .... |
| [19:21:50] | wagnerrp: | you should be using Slim, or VDPAU High |
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| [19:25:11] | mythter_bill: | I'll try VDPAU High |
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| [19:48:57] | justinh: | just looked at the freevo site for the 1st time in quite a while. doesn't appear to have changed. bless |
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| [19:49:32] | wagnerrp: | i was under the impression freevo was largely dead |
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| [19:51:16] | justinh: | looks that way |
| [19:51:19] | skd5aner: | http://sourceforge.net/project/stats/detail.p . . . tracker_id=0 |
| [19:51:36] | mythter_bill: | huh, I get TV in slow motion now. I guess I'll need to upgrade the ethernet switches. |
| [19:51:53] | justinh: | VDR too by the look of it |
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| [19:52:06] | wagnerrp: | mythter_bill: not likely |
| [19:52:07] | justinh: | mythter_bill: not likely your ethernet to blame |
| [19:52:22] | wagnerrp: | mythter_bill: are you using the 2x deinterlace filters by chance? |
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| [19:52:33] | justinh: | more likely, a lack of proper video (VGA/GPU) driver or the wrong playback profile |
| [19:52:51] | skd5aner: | justinh, wagnerrp: this largely tells the story of freevo's demise – http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php? . . . reevo-cvslog |
| [19:53:44] | wagnerrp: | i like the 'project web traffic' page |
| [19:53:47] | justinh: | I didn't like it much but it's still quite sad |
| [19:54:24] | skd5aner: | heh – the last committed change was to a python script for watching Apple trailers – http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php? . . . reevo-cvslog |
| [19:54:35] | mythter_bill: | wagnerrp: I'll go look to see if I can find out. (I'm way too new at this to know what I'm doing) |
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| [19:55:21] | skd5aner: | still getting a few thousand downloads a month! http://sourceforge.net/project/stats/?group_i . . . mode=alltime |
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| [19:56:48] | skd5aner: | BTW – renewd my SD membership today – I'm assuming a ton of people's memberships are coming due who all signed on the first week or 2 SD was formed before the demise of the free TMS services |
| [19:59:12] | wagnerrp: | haha... ditto |
| [20:02:09] | mythter_bill: | justinh: using the nvidia proprietary driver |
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| [20:03:02] | justinh: | mythter_bill: well maybe it's as wagnerrp said |
| [20:03:22] | mythter_bill: | wagnerrp: do you know where I should look for that? I didn't see it under the playback options. |
| [20:04:23] | justinh: | its there under playback options |
| [20:04:34] | mythter_bill: | I'll go look again |
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| [20:25:23] | mythter_bill: | well — while the setting _was_ (2x,HW), changing it to (1x,HW) didn't change anything (unless the settings don't get applied immediately) |
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| [20:41:42] | mythter_bill: | Another weirdness is that when I'm watching a live TV program, when I use <esc> to try to get out, I just get a blank screen. So far, the only way I've managed to get out of this is to kill the mythfront end processs from another computer. |
| [20:41:59] | mythter_bill: | It should be easier than that, right? |
| [20:43:47] | justinh: | yes |
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| [20:50:33] | iamlindoro: | mythter_bill: Please pastebin the output of mythfrontend --version |
| [20:51:01] | iamlindoro: | Your issue with hanging exiting video playback was fixed a very, very, very long time ago |
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| [20:51:42] | iamlindoro: | And the x crashing issue isn't myth's fault, but X's, and also an indication of very old mythbuntu packages (since the "trigger" has been hacked out on ubuntu packages for a long time) |
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| [21:10:53] | mythter_bill: | iamlindoro: I'm using the most recent Fedora rpm, I believe it's 0.24 |
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| [21:13:08] | justinh: | believing it's 0.24 is not reporting the output of mythfrontend --version :-) |
| [21:14:38] | mythter_bill: | MythTV Version : 0.24–7.fc14 (464fa28373) |
| [21:15:56] | mythter_bill: | [I thought mythfrontend --version had failed the last time I tried it; maybe I wasn't running as root) |
| [21:16:58] | justinh: | you shouldn't need to be root for that to work |
| [21:17:34] | tgm4883: | iamlindoro, well at least you are fair in your assumption that all issues are Ubuntu packagers fault |
| [21:18:35] | mythter_bill: | well, it works now when I'm not root. I don't know what was failing before. |
| [21:19:31] | iamlindoro: | That is a very, very, very old .24 |
| [21:19:31] | iamlindoro: | pretty much right at release |
| [21:19:31] | iamlindoro: | you need to get on current .24-fixes |
| [21:20:10] | iamlindoro: | tgm4883: Who said anything like that? |
| [21:20:37] | tgm4883: | iamlindoro, you just point at Ubuntu packages, without knowing what he is running? |
| [21:20:41] | iamlindoro: | tgm4883: The issue had only been reported to me on Ubuntu, and I didn't even suggest anything was your fault |
| [21:20:52] | iamlindoro: | In fact, I more or less gave you credit for working around it |
| [21:21:09] | tgm4883: | iamlindoro, if thats the case, I may have completely misunderstood your comment |
| [21:21:21] | iamlindoro: | IT appears you did |
| [21:21:54] | tgm4883: | in which case, I would say I'm sorry, but i've been told by wagnerrp to never appoligize and instead tell people off |
| [21:22:01] | tgm4883: | :) |
| [21:22:04] | mythter_bill: | I have repository problems. configure tells me I'm missing libmp3lame, it's not in the rpmfusion repository I use, and the version in another repository has conflicting contents. So — I'm slightly stuck. |
| [21:22:17] | mythter_bill: | But the current version, isn't it 0.24.1 ? |
| [21:22:38] | justinh: | yes. 0.24 with all the fixes up to the release point |
| [21:23:23] | mythter_bill: | OK, maybe it's worth compiling. Any suggestions on how to get past the libmp3lame problem? |
| [21:24:01] | justinh: | ooo dependency hell |
| [21:24:16] | iamlindoro: | mythter_bill: Well, once you work around your package management issues, if you can get to current -fixes you should find the freeze at end of playback fixed |
| [21:24:29] | justinh: | though I was led to believe if you used the right repos there'd be no risk of clashing |
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| [21:26:07] | mythter_bill: | I think libmp3lame might have been available at rpmfusion for older versions of Fedora. Why not now? (*sigh*) |
| [21:27:42] | mythter_bill: | justinh: yes, if I hadn't use rpmfusion, I'd be OK. But I can't combine that repository with the other one (I think ATrpms) |
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| [21:28:54] | ** Beirdo updates his calendar. June is getting busy ** | |
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| [21:36:30] | justinh: | June is a lucky lady? |
| [21:36:41] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [21:36:52] | Beirdo: | March will be painful then |
| [21:38:09] | Beirdo: | Hmmm, so I guess I won't be going to OSCON unless I can hitch a ride with a coworker for a day trip or osomething |
| [21:40:50] | Beirdo: | just registered for the USENIX conference in June |
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