| Monday, May 16th, 2011, 00:00 UTC | ||
| [00:00:05] | wagnerrp: | and the 0.24.1 page as a copy of those that were before the .1 release? |
| [00:00:09] | wagnerrp: | i can do that |
| [00:00:10] | peteforsyth: | ah, I see it wagnerrp . Is it /bin/true the generic one to include? That's from memory.. |
| [00:00:25] | bobgill: | wagnerrp: is this the same issue: http://pastebin.com/YE512ngN |
| [00:00:33] | wagnerrp: | the external channel changer interface needs to know that the change was successful |
| [00:00:46] | wagnerrp: | if the script returns a 0 code, the change was successful |
| [00:01:03] | wagnerrp: | if the script returns any but 0, the change was unsuccessful, and the tuning and recording both fail |
| [00:01:14] | wagnerrp: | /bin/true just does nothing but return 0 |
| [00:01:42] | peteforsyth: | yes, I think that's what sphery had me do — put a basic script in there, and then use my cable box's remote instead of LIRC |
| [00:01:46] | wagnerrp: | bobgill: that indicates youre using too old a version of the python bindings |
| [00:02:06] | peteforsyth: | I wasn't able to get LIRC working, and it seems unlikely I'll be able to figure that out..so I'm happy to make do with manual channel changing |
| [00:02:23] | jya: | is there a way in linux to format a drive to HFS+ ? |
| [00:02:52] | wagnerrp: | bobgill: fixed back in... maybe january? |
| [00:03:00] | wagnerrp: | it was a long time ago, i dont remember specifically |
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| [00:05:43] | peteforsyth: | wagnerrp: does that make sense? use /bin/true as the script there? or am I mixing up different parts of the setup? What I have now is a front end that crashes when I choose "Watch TV" :( |
| [00:07:12] | wagnerrp: | using /bin/true there does nothing but in effect bypass the whole process, taking the external tuner out of the equation for purposes of debugging a problem |
| [00:08:27] | peteforsyth: | OK. I think that's what we were doing — but sphery seemed to think that setting up LIRC was within my skill set, and I think he was wrong in that assessment :) so..is there a better permanent setup that would be compatible with me using my Comcast remote to control the cable box? |
| [00:08:49] | wagnerrp: | configuring LIRC |
| [00:09:06] | peteforsyth: | actually I suppose I'm getting way ahead of myself, because the front end still crashes when I click "watch tv" — even after rebooting. |
| [00:11:01] | peteforsyth: | hm..I'm confused |
| [00:12:50] | peteforsyth: | I think I will try to get things back to where they were yesterday, and then try to come at the LIRC configuration question again. It's hard to figure out how to formulate a question when I have a non-functional system in front of me. |
| [00:14:12] | peteforsyth: | but wagnerrp I'm confused why I would need to configure lirc if I'm not asking Myth to do anything with IR at all? |
| [00:14:46] | wagnerrp: | because if youre not asking mythtv to control your cable box, mythtv is utterly worthless |
| [00:15:29] | peteforsyth: | well, not utterly — I don't have anything else that permits me to record a TV show. I agree, it would be MUCH nicer to have it control the cable box... |
| [00:16:01] | peteforsyth: | but if I were able to make recordings in the short term, and leave the LIRC setup for a later date, I would be satisfied that I had not completely thrown my weekend away! |
| [00:16:15] | wagnerrp: | what im saying is that controlling your cable box manually, and using livetv mode |
| [00:16:21] | wagnerrp: | effectively turns mythtv into a vcr |
| [00:16:43] | peteforsyth: | right, I get that |
| [00:16:49] | wagnerrp: | and thats in addition to the fact that you will have several seconds of latency between your cable box and what appears on screen |
| [00:16:51] | peteforsyth: | I don't have a VCR :) |
| [00:17:05] | wagnerrp: | so usability would be complete garbage |
| [00:18:15] | peteforsyth: | yeah, I'm aware of the drawbacks. Like I said — I'd love to set up LIRC — and if you're able to help with that maybe I'll give it another shot — but I ran into insurmountable obstacles when I tried (just not nearly familiar enough with how all the stuff works) |
| [00:18:56] | wagnerrp: | if you cant get LIRC blasting working, you would be better off plugging your cable box directly into your tv |
| [00:19:47] | peteforsyth: | I'm not sure you've heard me, there are two reasons I'd be happy with that-- |
| [00:20:01] | peteforsyth: | (1) I would be able to record TV (even if the usability is a pain, at least it is possible) |
| [00:20:25] | peteforsyth: | (2) I would be a step closer to having a fully-functional setup, if/when I get more comfortable setting up LIRC |
| [00:21:01] | peteforsyth: | I'd just like to leave it in a partially-usable state after a heavy weekend of setup..not in a heap of junk where i have to start over from scratch, and can't make a recording. |
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| [00:25:23] | peteforsyth: | I think I found the problem — I had confused "composite1" with "video1" |
| [00:33:06] | wagnerrp: | [27305] |
| [00:33:07] | MythLogBot: | SVN 27305: (branch fixes/0.24) https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/0604ffb0 |
| [00:33:14] | wagnerrp: | [27216] |
| [00:33:14] | MythLogBot: | SVN 27216: (branch master) https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/472678b6 |
| [00:33:19] | wagnerrp: | [27217] |
| [00:33:19] | MythLogBot: | SVN 27217: (branch master) https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/87b9ef46 |
| [00:36:33] | wagnerrp: | [23787] |
| [00:36:33] | MythLogBot: | SVN 23787: (branch master) https://github.com/MythTV/packaging/commit/37e54690 |
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| [00:59:12] | sphery: | /sb c |
| [01:03:45] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: i blocked the bindings from installing? oh no! what have i done! |
| [01:03:51] | kormoc: | heh |
| [01:03:55] | kormoc: | the smart thing! |
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| [01:07:27] | wagnerrp: | jafa: does the 6-tuner version have a standard 120V plug? or does it still use an external power adapter? |
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| [01:21:38] | CyberKnet: | kormoc: any thoughts as to why mythweb is telling me a recording doesn't exist in any storage groups? (combined be/fe, mythweb running on the same) |
| [01:21:52] | CyberKnet: | looked at file permissions but as far as I can tell should have access |
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| [01:24:32] | GentNEW: | Anyone familiar with, or have a functioning configuration for E. Westbrook's 0.24-fixes repo? |
| [01:24:38] | CyberKnet: | in fact, *all* recordings say that when I try to view them through mythweb. |
| [01:24:56] | wagnerrp: | GentNEW: eh? |
| [01:25:02] | kormoc: | CyberKnet, hrm... Can the apache user +x into the path? |
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| [01:36:11] | peteforsyth: | well, crap. I've now recreated everything like I had it yesterday (with sphery 's excellent guidance) — checked each setting carefully. But MythFrontEnd still crashes with error 139 every time I select "Watch TV." Any suggestions before I wipe the drive and start from scratch? Anyone familiar with error 139? |
| [01:37:00] | kormoc: | 139? That's a good error there. Tart but smooth, with a lingering essence of elderberries |
| [01:37:23] | peteforsyth: | heh..it's been a bit tart, tis true... |
| [01:38:21] | sphery: | peteforsyth: change your playback profile group to Slim (or at least anything other than CPU+, CPU++, or CPU--). mythfrontend Utilities/Setup|Setup|TV Settings|Playback, 3rd screen |
| [01:38:41] | peteforsyth: | I'll try that, thanks! |
| [01:38:56] | wagnerrp: | peteforsyth: 139 is a segfault |
| [01:39:06] | sphery: | that he's getting from XvMC |
| [01:39:16] | sphery: | (at least that's my guess) |
| [01:39:24] | sphery: | die, XvMC, die! |
| [01:39:34] | sphery: | can't wait 'til 0.25 is out just so it's gone |
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| [01:45:01] | peteforsyth: | sphery: that got rid of 139, all right! Now Im getting "Error: MythTV is using all inputs, but there are no active recordings?" — but that seems like it's probably a configuration thing I can figure out. Thanks! |
| [01:46:19] | sphery: | peteforsyth: as a first attempt, restart the backend and frontend |
| [01:46:20] | kormoc: | peteforsyth, restart the backend |
| [01:46:37] | peteforsyth: | OK cool. |
| [01:48:56] | wagnerrp: | sphery: uh-oh... https://github.com/markchang/olinmyth-mythtv |
| [01:49:11] | peteforsyth: | no dice..I rebooted the machine, and now error 139 is back |
| [01:49:54] | sphery: | peteforsyth: sounds like you have a new hostname or ip address and ended up getting all new settings and it's back on CPU+ |
| [01:50:09] | sphery: | wagnerrp: what exactly is that... |
| [01:50:19] | sphery: | oh, wait... based on last commit, I think I have an idea |
| [01:50:20] | peteforsyth: | I checked again, it's still on "slim" — but -- |
| [01:50:43] | wagnerrp: | transcodes all recordings and uploads them to a torrent tracker |
| [01:50:56] | peteforsyth: | earlier today I was trying to set up the box with a static IP on the LAN (and was unsuccessful for some reason, DNS would just not work) — maybe that is related? |
| [01:51:07] | sphery: | wow, amazing that people can just put those up on github/google code/etc. |
| [01:51:33] | wagnerrp: | well its not like anyone is actually checking the content |
| [01:51:36] | peteforsyth: | I should have mentioned that I guess..but wasn't wanting to bug you guys with basic networking issues |
| [01:51:46] | sphery: | yeah, but perhaps someone should be |
| [01:52:33] | sphery: | like the thousands of people the content industry is paying to instead dig up IP address/name mappings of people who use programs |
| [01:52:52] | peteforsyth: | heh |
| [01:53:01] | sphery: | but, hey, guess that's why they say, "When you fight an octopus, always aim for the many arms before aiming for the head" |
| [01:53:55] | peteforsyth: | sphery: I'm not sure I understand the relation between the "CPU+" setting and the hostname/IP address? |
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| [01:54:22] | sphery: | peteforsyth: was saying that if mythtv didn't know it was the same host, it would reset settings to defaults |
| [01:54:48] | sphery: | and CPU+ ends up being the default playback profile group because of a bug in the Qt4 port |
| [01:55:01] | wagnerrp: | sphery: sounds more like theyre fighting a hydra |
| [01:55:17] | peteforsyth: | OK. But in Playback settings, it seems that "Slim" stuck — so probably not the issue here, right? |
| [01:55:59] | sphery: | wagnerrp: so this idiot is tweeting each time he steals a program for people? http://twitter.com/#!/OlinTV |
| [01:56:27] | sphery: | peteforsyth: right, must be something else this time |
| [01:56:41] | wagnerrp: | sphery: nope |
| [01:56:43] | peteforsyth: | OK. |
| [01:56:52] | wagnerrp: | as you may note, its been dead since apr6 |
| [01:56:57] | wagnerrp: | his tracker is dead too |
| [01:57:05] | sphery: | or it wasn't the problem the first time, but when you changed profile group, it also ran out of inputs at the same time |
| [01:57:21] | sphery: | wagnerrp: ah, so someone shut it down (or he quit)? |
| [01:57:39] | sphery: | heh, tv.olin.edu is dead, too |
| [01:57:48] | wagnerrp: | frankly im curious as to how he got an edu domain |
| [01:58:03] | sphery: | wonder if it was some enterprising student selling recorded shows to his classmates |
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| [01:58:27] | sphery: | in which case, I really wonder why we didn't hear about it in the news when he got shut down |
| [01:58:41] | sphery: | (unless he just graduated and didn't pass the keys on) |
| [01:59:09] | wagnerrp: | http://fsweb.olin.edu/~mchang/ |
| [01:59:33] | sphery: | heh, prof |
| [01:59:36] | sphery: | even better |
| [02:00:37] | sphery: | trying to see if it's definitely the same guy (based on pic on github) |
| [02:01:05] | sphery: | looks like he got bored with pcs and tv and moved on to android stuff |
| [02:01:52] | sphery: | has olinmyth-scripts as deprecated, but has olinmyth-www and olinmyth-transcode still listed |
| [02:02:07] | sphery: | and olinmyth-mythtv |
| [02:02:35] | sphery: | :( -www is php stuff, so can't just view pages |
| [02:03:38] | sphery: | https://github.com/markchang/olinmyth-www/blo . . . dex.php#L150 is enough to explain it, though (just like you said) |
| [02:04:55] | sphery: | https://spreadsheets.google.com/viewform?form . . . toTXBZQnc6MQ |
| [02:05:20] | sphery: | "We are doing a beta test of mass television recording for the Olin community. We have the ability to record any show on the Olin cable channels, and on over-the-air high definition, with a few caveats." |
| [02:06:07] | sphery: | I just don't see how this can be legal. |
| [02:06:28] | wagnerrp: | well that depends |
| [02:06:45] | wagnerrp: | if the university is doing it for their on-campus cable network |
| [02:06:57] | wagnerrp: | they could have licensing wording that allows for such |
| [02:07:10] | wagnerrp: | but then it would certainly be limited to only internal access |
| [02:07:28] | wagnerrp: | which may very well be why we cannot access it, because that subdomain can only be accessed from resnet |
| [02:07:41] | sphery: | yeah, could be |
| [02:07:58] | sphery: | but still--I don't see who they would contract with to get that licensing |
| [02:08:11] | wagnerrp: | jeffrey atkinson... have i heard that name before? |
| [02:08:13] | sphery: | because the broadcaster is not the only rights entity involved |
| [02:08:40] | sphery: | doesn't ring a bell |
| [02:09:15] | sphery: | anyway, even if they did somehow get licensed to do that, their students graduate, go away, and think it's fine to torrent shows--because we did it in college and it was legal |
| [02:09:17] | peteforsyth: | if the broadcaster has arranged for rights via, say, 50 cable TVs on campus, maybe they are restricting access in a way that doesn't exceed 50 streams on campus |
| [02:09:43] | sphery: | but storage and redistribution of those shows... |
| [02:09:48] | sphery: | that's not broadcast |
| [02:10:18] | sphery: | and it's just bittorrent, meaning that they're likely just passing the video files around as is |
| [02:10:39] | sphery: | anyway, I'm suspicious |
| [02:11:00] | peteforsyth: | yeah, I don't know |
| [02:13:14] | peteforsyth: | sphery, I hate to ask you to repeat yourself but — just to rule out the possibility that I'm making an error in the basic backend settings, can you confirm the following? |
| [02:14:02] | peteforsyth: | (This is assuming that I'm using the threaded, coax input on the PVR-150, coming out from the Comcast cable box) |
| [02:14:21] | peteforsyth: | (1) under "capture card setup" the default input should be Tuner 1 |
| [02:14:54] | peteforsyth: | and (2) under "input connections" I should connect "Tuner1" to the listing I get from SchedulesDirect — right? |
| [02:15:31] | peteforsyth: | (In both cases, the options I see are: Tuner 1, S-video 1, Composite 1, S-Video 2, and Composite 2) |
| [02:15:34] | sphery: | where the listings were defined in your Video Sources before doing input connections |
| [02:15:40] | peteforsyth: | yes, correct |
| [02:15:58] | sphery: | buy, yeah, that's right |
| [02:17:02] | peteforsyth: | OK. Well, I'm glad I've got the general idea right..I think wiping the drive and starting fresh will probably be a good exercise, anyway, so I guess it's time to write down what I've learned, and start from scratch :) |
| [02:17:38] | peteforsyth: | thanks for all your efforts with this. really appreciate it. I'm obviously in pretty far over my head..didn't realize what I was getting into when I started! |
| [02:27:27] | CyberKnet: | kormic: hmmm... good thought. let me check. |
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| [03:21:50] | noisymouse: | Hi all, so I broke my ir receiver for my PVR-150... do I need to buy a replacement from Hauppauge or is there a standard interface for these so I can buy one from a retailer? |
| [03:24:30] | gregL: | noisymouse, www.irblaster.info/receiver.html |
| [03:25:44] | kormoc: | noisymouse, you'll want to get one from Happauge or use a entirely different device |
| [03:25:55] | noisymouse: | ok |
| [03:26:29] | kormoc: | you could try other ones, but it's hit or miss and it might have different reception qualities which could make it really hard to troubleshoot |
| [03:26:54] | noisymouse: | and what about using a different remote if I get the receiver working? |
| [03:27:11] | kormoc: | Depends on the remote and if it sends on the right frequencies |
| [03:27:36] | noisymouse: | but the ones that work with lirc should just work? |
| [03:28:12] | kormoc: | with some hardware, sure, not necessarily your hardware |
| [03:28:29] | noisymouse: | ah |
| [03:29:15] | noisymouse: | ok, ty – have to reboot, added capture card drivers |
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| [04:40:43] | Beirdo: | time for some Genesis |
| [04:40:52] | Beirdo: | (band, not Bible) |
| [04:48:09] | kormoc: | Hrm... For whatever reason, my HDPVR lineup isn't being scheduled... at all... |
| [04:48:40] | Beirdo: | how odd |
| [04:49:01] | Beirdo: | did the backend declare it out of service or something? Can it even do that? |
| [04:49:24] | kormoc: | woah! it's not listed as a tuner anymore on the backend |
| [04:49:34] | Beirdo: | I guess it can. |
| [04:49:46] | Beirdo: | you might wanna kick the backend |
| [04:49:52] | kormoc: | I have, no change |
| [04:49:55] | Beirdo: | ... right out the window? |
| [04:49:59] | Beirdo: | oh. |
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| [04:50:01] | kormoc: | I guess I have to poke the setup |
| [04:50:14] | Beirdo: | maybe it's failing a channel change on startup? |
| [04:51:38] | kormoc: | oh lord no, it's totally screwed |
| [04:51:47] | Beirdo: | oh oh |
| [04:52:19] | kormoc: | http://www.kormoc.com/stuff/Screen%20shot%202 . . . .11%20PM.png |
| [04:52:20] | Beirdo: | good thing the HDPVR is expensive... otherwise I'd envision it flying across the courtyard... |
| [04:52:36] | kormoc: | it thinks the hdpvr card type is a hdhr |
| [04:52:39] | [R]: | Beirdo: you have directtv right? |
| [04:52:50] | Beirdo: | what the... |
| [04:52:55] | Beirdo: | [R]: yes |
| [04:53:04] | [R]: | Beirdo: what method do you use for channel changes? |
| [04:53:06] | kormoc: | and it keeps the same setup if I change the card type and back again |
| [04:53:10] | kormoc: | ... |
| [04:53:11] | Beirdo: | USB/serial |
| [04:53:29] | ** Beirdo scratches his head ** | |
| [04:53:37] | kormoc: | Mr. Beirdo, you're tracking master, right? |
| [04:53:42] | Beirdo: | yes |
| [04:53:45] | [R]: | Beirdo: the netowrk control didn towkr for you or you never tired? |
| [04:53:51] | kormoc: | this 'broke' at least two weeks ago, I assume you're newer then that? |
| [04:53:59] | Beirdo: | well, actually, new-logging, but it's tracking master |
| [04:54:02] | Beirdo: | yes |
| [04:54:18] | Beirdo: | [R]: no need when I already have the USB stuff setup |
| [04:54:19] | kormoc: | [R], network control only works on the pvr boxes afaik |
| [04:54:36] | Beirdo: | it MIGHT work on a non pvr-HD box |
| [04:54:42] | Beirdo: | but likely not my D12s |
| [04:55:15] | Beirdo: | kormoc: I wonder if a make distclean/rebuild would fix that |
| [04:55:30] | Beirdo: | it kinda looks like a header file is out of sync with the rest |
| [04:55:40] | kormoc: | Beirdo, I compile in a sandbox every time. it's a new checkout and compile *every* time |
| [04:55:42] | Beirdo: | like qmake/ccache didn't notice it change |
| [04:55:45] | Beirdo: | oh |
| [04:55:54] | Beirdo: | so it shouldn't be that then :) |
| [04:56:41] | kormoc: | I guess I'll delete the card and re-add it at 11 |
| [04:56:44] | Beirdo: | let me take a quick peek at my db |
| [04:57:24] | Beirdo: | OK, mine clearly says HDPVR and HDHOMERUN in the correct places |
| [04:57:49] | Beirdo: | I guess a delete/re-add might do the trick, but WTH? |
| [04:58:11] | kormoc: | I don't think it will, http://pastebin.com/9FDPqG2v |
| [04:58:16] | kormoc: | the database looks correct |
| [04:58:35] | Beirdo: | yeah, that looks right |
| [04:58:51] | kormoc: | I diffed on a 2 month old db backup, it's the same row |
| [04:59:09] | Beirdo: | so it must be mythtv-setup being screwed? |
| [04:59:23] | Beirdo: | although why the backend doesn't like it either, I'm not sure |
| [04:59:59] | kormoc: | Beirdo, do you have a hdpvr in your options compiled in under mythfrontend --version ? |
| [05:00:10] | Beirdo: | let me check |
| [05:00:42] | Beirdo: | yes |
| [05:00:49] | Beirdo: | using_hdpvr is in there |
| [05:00:56] | kormoc: | uh oh |
| [05:00:57] | kormoc: | mine doesn't |
| [05:01:01] | Beirdo: | oops |
| [05:01:09] | kormoc: | I guess I have a lib that our ./configure doesn't like |
| [05:01:13] | Beirdo: | OK, that would be likely a large part of the problem |
| [05:03:42] | Beirdo: | Oooh, the HDPVR killer circuit boards just obtained a Fedex tracking number |
| [05:03:50] | Beirdo: | (from Malaysia) |
| [05:04:23] | Beirdo: | Estimated delivery: May 18 by 10:30am |
| [05:05:03] | Beirdo: | and the parts (from Minnesota) should be here May 19, end of day |
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| [05:05:56] | Beirdo: | I know what this next weekend is. |
| [05:05:58] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [05:06:08] | noisymouse: | hi, i'm having an issue where the frontend can' |
| [05:06:16] | noisymouse: | t connect to the backend on the same machine |
| [05:06:45] | noisymouse: | it asks if it's running and if the ip address is correct |
| [05:07:37] | kormoc: | ooh... no v4l support in my kernel, it's too new and thus no hdpvr |
| [05:07:45] | Beirdo: | OMG |
| [05:07:56] | Beirdo: | OK, that crap needs to be fixed once and for all |
| [05:08:13] | Beirdo: | people have been half-heartedly poking at it for a while |
| [05:08:31] | noisymouse: | I've verified with telnet that the port the frontend is supposed to be listening on is open on my machine's ip (which i've set equal to my machine's ip on the lan) |
| [05:08:46] | Beirdo: | huh? |
| [05:08:56] | Beirdo: | the frontend isn't listening for the backend |
| [05:08:59] | Beirdo: | the backend is |
| [05:09:17] | noisymouse: | wah? |
| [05:09:25] | Beirdo: | be sure you didn't setup the backend using 127.0.0.1 anywhere |
| [05:09:26] | noisymouse: | oh yeah... that makes sense |
| [05:09:35] | noisymouse: | alright, I'll check again |
| [05:09:50] | Beirdo: | it could be one is trying localhost, the other the real IP |
| [05:09:57] | Beirdo: | pick one or the other, no mixing :) |
| [05:10:19] | Beirdo: | and if you ever want a second frontend or second backend, it has to be the real IP |
| [05:10:21] | noisymouse: | well the only place to set the ip is in general in mythtv-setup, right? |
| [05:10:36] | noisymouse: | yeah, I'm planning on having multiple frontends |
| [05:10:39] | Beirdo: | I think so |
| [05:10:47] | noisymouse: | it's set correctly there |
| [05:10:58] | Beirdo: | and the master backend setting is with the right IP? |
| [05:11:08] | noisymouse: | yeah |
| [05:11:32] | Beirdo: | and you've restarted the backend with said settings? |
| [05:11:40] | noisymouse: | let me make sure of something though... should the port for the frontend be the same as the port for the backend? |
| [05:12:20] | Beirdo: | what port? |
| [05:12:31] | Beirdo: | and generally, no |
| [05:12:38] | noisymouse: | well it says "database server settings" in frontend |
| [05:12:43] | noisymouse: | so I'm assuming that's mysql |
| [05:12:51] | kormoc: | ln -s videodev2.h videodev.h causes configure to work, so it's purely that |
| [05:13:14] | Beirdo: | kormoc: good to know |
| [05:14:19] | Beirdo: | argh |
| [05:14:42] | Beirdo: | it looks like they re-broke running multiple frontends with UPnP detection |
| [05:14:43] | noisymouse: | oh... maybe mysql isn't allowing outside connections right now |
| [05:14:46] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [05:14:51] | noisymouse: | really? |
| [05:14:56] | Beirdo: | yeah, you need mysql to work |
| [05:15:07] | Beirdo: | sorry, multiple frontends on the same machine |
| [05:15:32] | Beirdo: | I fixed it a few months back, but the code got reworked, and it is re-borked |
| [05:15:53] | Beirdo: | mind you, it's kinda silly to run more than one frontend on a single box |
| [05:16:03] | Beirdo: | but.... some people wanna do it anyways |
| [05:16:11] | noisymouse: | why's that? |
| [05:16:21] | Beirdo: | why's what? |
| [05:16:38] | noisymouse: | wait you mean multiple frontends running on the same machine? |
| [05:16:42] | Beirdo: | yes |
| [05:16:47] | Beirdo: | on the same box |
| [05:17:07] | Beirdo: | kinda a crazy setup, IMHO |
| [05:17:16] | noisymouse: | yeah, I can't imagine the utility of that.... |
| [05:17:44] | noisymouse: | I mean maybe... if you were watching livetv and also wanted to be able to look at something else when commercials come up |
| [05:18:16] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [05:18:23] | Beirdo: | livetv.... no thanks :0 |
| [05:18:42] | ** Beirdo only has about 2TB of recordings piled up and counting ** | |
| [05:19:20] | Beirdo: | well, 1.6TB maybe :) |
| [05:19:27] | Beirdo: | 44% on all 4 1TB drives |
| [05:19:48] | noisymouse: | nice... |
| [05:19:57] | noisymouse: | I have to do something about my storage... |
| [05:20:09] | noisymouse: | I have a couple TB drives, but they seem to not work with linux |
| [05:20:45] | noisymouse: | I kept on losing like a GB of storage at a time (w/o using mythtv) and I finally realized it was because of kernel updates |
| [05:20:55] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, was the nuvexport ebuild working for you? |
| [05:21:18] | noisymouse: | I just got rid of the old source files for old kernels and got back ~30 GB |
| [05:21:37] | Beirdo: | that's not a drive issue :) |
| [05:21:40] | noisymouse: | but then I installed a virtual machine so I'm running low on storage again |
| [05:22:23] | noisymouse: | also... I have another partition on my drive with windows that takes up about half the drive even though I probably only need 100 GB (on a 1 TB drive) |
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| [05:25:33] | Beirdo: | kormoc: nice comment on the SVN version number :) |
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| [05:26:52] | noisymouse: | so any idea about getting the frontend to connect... I'm pretty sure it's not a mysql problem |
| [05:27:03] | kormoc: | well, really, even the date doesn't really look like a svn rev. it's kinda a weird comment |
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| [05:28:03] | noisymouse: | oh nvm it is mysql |
| [05:29:05] | Beirdo: | kormoc: anything we need to fix in nuvexport itself (like a new tag or anything), or you got it covered? |
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| [05:30:45] | kormoc: | nah, just was a var that wasn't named as intended |
| [05:30:49] | Beirdo: | ahh |
| [05:30:51] | Beirdo: | K |
| [05:31:32] | noisymouse: | ... I think it's mysql |
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| [05:31:41] | noisymouse: | does mysql-access.conf matter? |
| [05:33:26] | Beirdo: | not sure what that is supposed to be. mysql has to be accepting connections from the IP address you are contacting it on (not just localhost) |
| [05:34:59] | kormoc: | it's some ubuntu thing I'd imagine |
| [05:35:24] | Beirdo: | I don't recognize it from my boxes, but they do change crap a lot |
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| [05:35:49] | kormoc: | I work on the principal that it's always a ubuntu thing when it's non-standard :P |
| [05:35:54] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [05:36:11] | Beirdo: | it used to be assumed to be a Gentoo thing if non-standard... look how the tables have turned |
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| [05:44:34] | hoolio: | anyone know if the @#$ psn is working? |
| [05:45:05] | hoolio: | my ps3 copy of portal2 arrived in the post |
| [05:45:40] | Beirdo: | and that's mythtv-related how? |
| [05:49:00] | kormoc: | hoolio, no. it's expected to be in a few days, but that's all anyone knows |
| [05:49:14] | kormoc: | Beirdo, you don't just join random channels to ask questions? It's so much easier then googling! |
| [05:49:30] | Beirdo: | hehe, so it is :) |
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| [05:59:59] | noisymouse: | yay, I got the frontend up |
| [06:00:07] | noisymouse: | now let's see if the cards are working properly... |
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| [06:23:18] | noisymouse: | ok, so I'm having trouble playing back video |
| [06:23:46] | noisymouse: | no matter what playback profile I select I get "Error: Couldn't find an A/V decoder for:" |
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| [08:56:33] | justinh: | the harmony remote has bit the dust. Less than 2 years old, fairly light use. |
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| [08:56:50] | justinh: | definitely not becoming of a £50 remote |
| [08:58:05] | justinh: | planning to do a teardown & show folks why they should never buy a harmony remote |
| [08:58:40] | mycosys: | ? why is that? |
| [08:59:28] | justinh: | because they use very crappy switches |
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| [09:00:08] | justinh: | I say 'switches' but they're actually hemispheres of bent tin stuck atop PCB contacts & held in place with a sticky sheet of plastic |
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| [09:00:26] | justinh: | or rather, the buttons likely to be used the most frequently are |
| [09:00:56] | justinh: | the others are traditional conductive rubber mats |
| [09:01:09] | justinh: | if they were all the latter there'd be no problem yet |
| [09:02:10] | justinh: | the non-working switches *feel* like proper tact switches, and I thought for all the world they were, which is what makes the remotes so expensive compared to other 'all in one' remotes |
| [09:02:28] | justinh: | it appears my assumption was incorrect :-) |
| [09:02:52] | justinh: | they're cheap as hell, not even worth what you'd pay for a oneforall remote |
| [09:03:45] | justinh: | ok so the display adds a bit extra cost, but a mono LCD doesn't cost that much |
| [09:05:46] | justinh: | jees. turns out it's not just the cheap models http://forums.logitech.com/t5/Harmony-Remotes . . . /td-p/382939 |
| [09:07:43] | justinh: | glad I bought the cheapest now :D |
| [09:10:26] | mycosys: | yeah i dont see the point of payin what they charge to start with – always assumes they were cheap rubber contacts |
| [09:10:44] | justinh: | "I've had mine for a couple years but now the most commonly used buttons are wearing out." |
| [09:11:15] | justinh: | cheap rubber contacts are likely to last very much longer than the cheapest tact switches |
| [09:11:36] | mycosys: | very much so |
| [09:11:44] | justinh: | my OFA-6 is about as old as my TV & it's still going strong |
| [09:11:59] | justinh: | had to clean it out once though.. those dog hairs get everywhere lol |
| [09:12:21] | mycosys: | i am very happy with the $10 hid combined 'mouse' and 'kb' remote i |
| [09:12:41] | justinh: | seriously though, the logitech switches are under a piece of white sticky-backed plastic & the domes are very small |
| [09:13:14] | justinh: | I could probably fix it – buy some real switches & mod the board :D |
| [09:13:16] | mycosys: | i havent seen one of those in years tbh |
| [09:13:27] | mycosys: | shuld woulk lol |
| [09:13:46] | justinh: | they used to use that style of key on the very first electronic calculators |
| [09:14:18] | justinh: | hahahaha http://cgi.ebay.com/We-Repair-Logitech-Harmon . . . 200555404044 |
| [09:16:31] | justinh: | oh goody there's a bike shop not far from work. need to get my rear wheel trued & the axle could do with a service |
| [09:16:48] | justinh: | I tried truing a bike wheel once before.. best let an expert do it |
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| [09:37:31] | mycosys: | isnt too hard justinh, just a little tedious |
| [09:37:46] | mycosys: | not hard to setup a truing jig |
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| [09:40:12] | justinh: | £10 to avoid the tedium sounds like a good deal to me :) |
| [09:41:28] | justinh: | I had a go when I was a kid. made an awful mess of the rim |
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| [09:49:20] | justinh: | apparently the wheels my bike has are expensive to replace like-for-like. |
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| [11:18:41] | wagnerrp: | kormoc_afk: i cant say ive ever used the nuvexport ebuild |
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| [12:05:52] | justinh: | arse. need a new wheel. well I just don't need extra-terrestrial origin alloy stuff costing > £100 just for the rim, of that I'm sure |
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| [12:46:48] | wagnerrp: | justinh: no 26"s with spinners? |
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| [12:47:35] | justinh: | they didn't have any in stock. 2 week wait |
| [12:47:43] | justinh: | cheap enough, but wait... |
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| [12:48:09] | wagnerrp: | they actually sell 26s? |
| [12:48:35] | wagnerrp: | theres someone who drives around in a camero near work with something around that size |
| [12:48:41] | wagnerrp: | god knows where he even got them |
| [12:48:48] | justinh: | bicycle wheel |
| [12:49:05] | wagnerrp: | they dont fit in his wheel well, so he had to jack the whole thing up two feet |
| [12:49:15] | justinh: | lol |
| [12:49:22] | wagnerrp: | i can literally see the car in front of him from under his car |
| [12:50:30] | justinh: | the prices I've found online for MTB wheels are eye watering |
| [12:50:51] | wagnerrp: | mtb? |
| [12:51:20] | justinh: | well apart from halfords, but I'm not going there on principle. they who 'assemble the bike for you' in store & customers walk out of the place pushing a bike whose forks are the wrong way round |
| [12:51:27] | justinh: | mountain bikey thingy |
| [12:51:36] | wagnerrp: | build a rim |
| [12:51:43] | justinh: | oh yeah |
| [12:51:59] | justinh: | buy a rim for £999, spokes, axle... it'll be worth more than my car |
| [12:52:09] | wagnerrp: | s/buy/build/ |
| [12:52:19] | justinh: | ideally I want to be back on my bike by the weekend |
| [12:52:27] | wagnerrp: | better get to work |
| [12:52:38] | justinh: | there is no shame in not wanting to build/rebuild a wheel |
| [12:52:50] | justinh: | contrary to what all the bike fascists say |
| [12:53:16] | justinh: | seen some stupid gear on my travels. hydraulic brakes.. ceramic rims.. :-O |
| [12:53:18] | wagnerrp: | nah, go to a hardware store, buy a block of high density insulation foam |
| [12:53:40] | wagnerrp: | shove it on a low speed lathe, and trim it down to a wheel |
| [12:53:42] | justinh: | all involves way more running around than I have time in my life for |
| [12:53:55] | wagnerrp: | buy a bolt of carbon fiber, some resin, and start wrapping |
| [12:54:00] | justinh: | lol |
| [12:54:30] | justinh: | I figure that if halfords can sell a whole wheel for under £50 I can get the same thing *somewhere* for less this week |
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| [13:09:01] | mycosys: | :( sad that endeavour has left earth for the last time |
| [13:10:15] | wagnerrp: | that implies its not coming back |
| [13:11:07] | justinh: | you never know, somebody like Shuttleworth could buy it & take it up as a new hobby |
| [13:11:50] | wagnerrp: | justinh: no, its being donated to a museum |
| [13:13:41] | hashbang: | justinh: http://www.wiggle.co.uk/cycle/wheels/?o=2 |
| [13:15:28] | justinh: | yup. Kerching! |
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| [13:17:36] | justinh: | http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Complete-Rear-Alloy-26- . . . em1e6127c30f :-) |
| [13:18:27] | mycosys: | ur not buyin a whole new wheel cos o a tiny buckle are you |
| [13:18:31] | mycosys: | please say ur not |
| [13:18:33] | justinh: | oh shut up |
| [13:18:41] | justinh: | I haven't got time to rebuild |
| [13:18:45] | mycosys: | what a waste of resources |
| [13:18:47] | justinh: | nor the inclination |
| [13:18:58] | mycosys: | pay some1 to true it |
| [13:19:06] | justinh: | and it's not a tiny buckle. it's *shot* according to the pimple-faced expert I spoke to |
| [13:19:30] | justinh: | the same guy who said he could supply me with a new one in 2 weeks for a reasonable price |
| [13:19:48] | mycosys: | sounds like a drip, not a spurt |
| [13:20:03] | mycosys: | hunt down ur bike ecology center imo – they know bikes |
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| [13:20:14] | justinh: | hippy :-) |
| [13:20:31] | mycosys: | lol |
| [13:20:32] | justinh: | yeah and guess what – they don't have those over here |
| [13:20:45] | mycosys: | nothing like it???? |
| [13:20:53] | justinh: | never heard of such a thing |
| [13:20:59] | mycosys: | the UK is biketivism free? |
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| [13:21:17] | mycosys: | they tend to be heavily involved in the running of critical mass |
| [13:21:24] | justinh: | I'd go to my friendly local bike shop because I trust him – but he doesn't have a single 26" wheel in stock either |
| [13:21:44] | justinh: | oh THEM. c***s |
| [13:22:19] | justinh: | yeah I HAVE heard of them. road-clogging reds |
| [13:22:36] | mycosys: | how are they clogging a road by riding? |
| [13:22:41] | hashbang: | mycosys: £18.95 + £1/spoke for trueing at Evans Cycles in Manchester |
| [13:22:57] | justinh: | hashbang: £10 at the shop I visited today |
| [13:22:59] | mycosys: | jesus |
| [13:23:00] | wagnerrp: | i dont understand why we still use spoked rims |
| [13:23:16] | wagnerrp: | seems like an awfully expensive way to build bikes |
| [13:23:18] | justinh: | they said £30 or so for a new wheel of similar spec |
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| [13:23:39] | mycosys: | honestly no idea wagnerrp |
| [13:23:39] | hashbang: | justinh: might be worth getting it trued cheaply as a spare |
| [13:23:45] | justinh: | wagnerrp: strength vs affordability of strong enough solid material? |
| [13:23:51] | justinh: | hashbang: it's buggered, apparently |
| [13:24:16] | mycosys: | triblade would make more sense from every perspective i can think of |
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| [13:24:29] | wagnerrp: | it doesnt need to be solid, use 3–5 ovoid spokes, and put a stiffing ring along the rim |
| [13:24:39] | hashbang: | mycosys: we get a lot of Critical Mass here in Bristol |
| [13:24:43] | justinh: | you can buy those, but they're £££££Â&po und;£££ |
| [13:24:51] | justinh: | manchester has critical mass too |
| [13:25:06] | mycosys: | supposed to be people getting together to make it safe to ride |
| [13:25:11] | wagnerrp: | justinh: but they shouldnt be |
| [13:25:21] | justinh: | and I understand they call themselves that because of their deliberate protest rides making a wreck of traffic systems |
| [13:25:28] | mycosys: | supposed to be playing COMPLETELY legal |
| [13:25:34] | wagnerrp: | surely that can stamp those out in a fraction of the time it takes for someone to hand wire a spiked wheel |
| [13:25:34] | hashbang: | mycosys: needlessly confrontational IMHO |
| [13:25:41] | justinh: | what hashbang said |
| [13:25:43] | ** hashbang rides, too ** | |
| [13:25:47] | mycosys: | huh? is about safety more than anything |
| [13:25:51] | justinh: | not here |
| [13:25:57] | justinh: | politically motivated here |
| [13:26:13] | justinh: | once you said critical mass, my mind went AH. REDS |
| [13:26:15] | hashbang: | mycosys: over here, it's slow rides, as many abreast as will fit. |
| [13:26:26] | mycosys: | critical mass the word is about achieving a mass of riders that can be seen, that wont be driven off the road |
| [13:26:29] | justinh: | disruption is the name of the game here |
| [13:26:38] | wagnerrp: | mycosys: when people around here ride together, its about being as obtrusive and 'pretty' as you can |
| [13:26:47] | mycosys: | they are supposed to let people pass, and to be legal number abreast |
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| [13:27:16] | justinh: | they're as bad as the motorists they claim to be victimised by |
| [13:27:16] | wagnerrp: | they get all kitted up in their colorful spandex, ride several abreast, run stop signs and red lights |
| [13:27:18] | mycosys: | just liek groups of motorcyclists |
| [13:27:28] | wagnerrp: | theyre just a general nuisance on the road |
| [13:27:31] | justinh: | and a lot of them do *stupid* things on the road as a matter of course anyway |
| [13:27:47] | hashbang: | mycosys: meanwhile, sustrans quietly get on with the business of providing hundreds of miles of cycle routes |
| [13:27:48] | mycosys: | is not what critical mass is supposed to be |
| [13:27:54] | justinh: | maybe |
| [13:28:03] | mycosys: | no maybe |
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| [13:28:19] | justinh: | maybe that's what it's *supposed* to be but over here they got confused |
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| [13:28:29] | mycosys: | it is supposed to be peaceful activism raising the profile of cyclists and helping them ride safely |
| [13:28:51] | mycosys: | tehre are wnakers everywhere justinh |
| [13:29:15] | mycosys: | you will find them in every group of people – stuffing up the intent |
| [13:29:41] | mycosys: | cars, bikes, motorbikes, computers, conferences, everywhere |
| [13:29:50] | hashbang: | mycosys: over here, we've had a couple of cases of self-righteous cyclists mowing down pedestrians |
| [13:30:09] | mycosys: | and how many of cars doing it? |
| [13:30:18] | mycosys: | people are people |
| [13:30:19] | justinh: | they're as bad as one another IMHO |
| [13:30:28] | mycosys: | they are people |
| [13:30:33] | mycosys: | people suck |
| [13:30:33] | hashbang: | mycosys: deliberately? Not too many, as a proportion of cars on the road. |
| [13:30:59] | justinh: | cyclists can be a nuisance – and as one of them it pains me to say as much |
| [13:31:06] | justinh: | as can drivers |
| [13:31:12] | hashbang: | "No matter how low you are, there's always someone to look down upon, and it goes on and on" – Entombed, Contempt |
| [13:31:23] | justinh: | but cyclists do some daft stuff on the roads round here |
| [13:31:36] | justinh: | they don't have to obey lights, signs... they're BIKES! |
| [13:31:51] | mycosys: | critical mass is an awesome idea, get a bunch of poeple together to ride safely as a mass, from major employment centers down the routes that are generally scary as hell to get home |
| [13:31:53] | hashbang: | justinh: undertaking lorries and buses for one, cycling on pavement (sidewalks) for another. |
| [13:32:18] | mycosys: | some places riding on the footpath is the law |
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| [13:32:27] | justinh: | mycosys: seems to be monthly one-offs over here – getting as many people as possible in one place to make a statement |
| [13:32:30] | hashbang: | mycosys: explicitly illegal here. |
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| [13:32:48] | hashbang: | mycosys: unless marked as a cycle lane. |
| [13:32:49] | mycosys: | and bikes are expected by law here to keep as far left as possible, meaning anythign they pass they MUST undertake |
| [13:33:13] | justinh: | I ride along the rochdale canal towpath & am very courteous :) |
| [13:33:20] | mycosys: | people faunt whatever laws they think they can |
| [13:33:30] | mycosys: | *flaunt |
| [13:33:31] | hashbang: | mycosys: not in the UK. If you're faster, you can pass, and you pass on the right, like any other vehicle |
| [13:33:32] | justinh: | though the fishermen with their stupid-arse long poles annoy the hell out of me |
| [13:33:55] | hashbang: | mycosys: or, of course, you could always be patient and wait |
| [13:34:00] | justinh: | if I'm on the road & need to do a junction or roundabout I get off & go around on foot |
| [13:34:05] | mycosys: | here ALL vehicles must keep as close to the left as practical |
| [13:34:18] | justinh: | it's safer that way. been overtaken by an idiot turning left too many times |
| [13:34:30] | mycosys: | means it is near impossible to overtake |
| [13:34:37] | mycosys: | if ur a pushbike |
| [13:35:01] | justinh: | anyway, £35 for a completely assembled wheel, tyre & all.. isn't bad. might go for it |
| [13:35:09] | mycosys: | i have been overtaken by some idot who just about killed me, turned left into my path |
| [13:35:14] | mycosys: | laid it down |
| [13:35:23] | justinh: | been there too many times |
| [13:35:27] | mycosys: | WISH i was riding with a group so they couldnt |
| [13:35:33] | hashbang: | mycosys: where in the world are you? |
| [13:35:36] | mycosys: | THAT is what critical mass is about |
| [13:35:36] | justinh: | they get really agressive too, like they had a right to it |
| [13:35:43] | mycosys: | australia hashbang |
| [13:35:48] | mycosys: | uhuh |
| [13:36:20] | mycosys: | so you understand why critical mass was started then – cyclists fed up of risking their lives |
| [13:36:58] | justinh: | oh yeah I *knew* what it was supposed to be about |
| [13:37:03] | mycosys: | wanting to promote cycling as an option, to promote bike safety, and to promote cars respicting other road users |
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| [13:37:06] | justinh: | you can read what their ethics are on their website |
| [13:37:14] | justinh: | but in practise... |
| [13:37:29] | mycosys: | in practice there are arseholes everywhere |
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| [13:37:48] | mycosys: | who do damage to just about every good activity that is open to them |
| [13:37:57] | wagnerrp: | mycosys: the problem (at least around here), is its the cyclists risking their lives |
| [13:38:00] | justinh: | groups of 200+ on a public road |
| [13:38:16] | mycosys: | idiots who dont get that bad behavior = bad publicity |
| [13:38:17] | justinh: | across the whole of the road. that isn't safety. it's *stupidity* |
| [13:38:29] | mycosys: | yeah – that is arseholes |
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| [13:38:31] | wagnerrp: | ill cut bikes all the slack they need, drive slow until i have an opportunity to pass, cut them a wide berth when i do |
| [13:38:39] | mycosys: | ty wagnerrp |
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| [13:38:59] | justinh: | me too. I'm one of them, but if they do anything stupid like try to undertake at lights.. that's their own stupid lookout |
| [13:39:03] | wagnerrp: | but when i stop at a stop sign, and they blow through it, forcing me to pass them once again |
| [13:39:07] | mycosys: | i ride an electric now – cant ride a normal bike, btu it is a love of mine |
| [13:39:15] | wagnerrp: | they forfeit all rights as a vehicle on the road way |
| [13:39:23] | mycosys: | no they dont |
| [13:39:26] | wagnerrp: | they are now just another j-walking pedestrian |
| [13:39:29] | mycosys: | 2 wrongs dont make a right |
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| [13:39:55] | mycosys: | there r plenty of idiots in cars who will do the same anywhere they can fit |
| [13:40:07] | justinh: | very true |
| [13:40:10] | wagnerrp: | and that behavior accounts for 90% of people in my neighborhood |
| [13:40:13] | mycosys: | nothing to do with bikes, is people, and police |
| [13:40:30] | justinh: | infact most of the cyclists I see on the road are blimmin idiots |
| [13:40:41] | mycosys: | i SO wish to see some1 booked for not using indicaters, at least once b4 i die lol |
| [13:40:43] | wagnerrp: | i dont disagree with that, and i behave exactly the same with cars that do such things |
| [13:40:43] | hashbang: | mycosys: I'd say that 99.9% of motorists respect things like lights, pedestrians crossing side-roads etc |
| [13:40:52] | mycosys: | most of the drivers i see on the road are complete morons |
| [13:40:58] | hashbang: | mycosys: whereas, around here, I'd say that's only 50:50 for cyclists |
| [13:41:08] | justinh: | motorcyclists are prolly worse where I live |
| [13:41:10] | mycosys: | i would say maybe 30 hashbang |
| [13:41:16] | justinh: | and the motorists are bad enough |
| [13:41:19] | wagnerrp: | id you dont have indicators, i dont make any effort to let you over, if you cut me off, i wont back off yo give you extra room |
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| [13:41:38] | justinh: | be good to see the new legislation come in against agressive driving :D |
| [13:41:45] | justinh: | £80 on the spot fine for undertaking |
| [13:41:49] | wagnerrp: | s/id/if, /yo/to/ |
| [13:42:16] | mycosys: | motorists will do whatever they think they can – they have no concept of being able to kill, they have no concept of needing to inform their intentions |
| [13:42:30] | wagnerrp: | justinh: theres a big difference between aggressive driving and a**hole driving |
| [13:42:39] | justinh: | funny also, that study where somebody found that motorists took more care around cyclists who weren't wearing helmets |
| [13:42:44] | hashbang: | justinh: I think the thing is that most, if not all, if the bad cyclists have probably never passed a driving test, learnt to drive, or even, done cycling proficiency |
| [13:43:07] | mycosys: | they have NO consideration of any other road user (which is why critical mass exists) and belive biggest wins (trucks and buses are worst there) |
| [13:43:12] | justinh: | hashbang: I never bothered with the proficiency test. it's common sense people seem to be lacking |
| [13:43:20] | wagnerrp: | namely a**hole driving is aggressive driving where you impede another driver |
| [13:43:22] | mycosys: | i doubt that hashbang |
| [13:43:29] | wagnerrp: | as long as your not bothering anyone else, have at it |
| [13:43:37] | hashbang: | justinh: if they had, they'd probably understand why the rules are the way they are, and be more understanding of motorists, and more respectful of pedestrians |
| [13:43:42] | justinh: | wagnerrp: that's what they call aggressive driving here. cutting people up etc |
| [13:43:52] | mycosys: | hashbang: then why dont we see that in drivers? |
| [13:44:01] | hashbang: | mycosys: why do you doubt it? |
| [13:44:20] | mycosys: | because most people i know who cycle also drive |
| [13:44:24] | justinh: | hashbang: it's common sense to be careful when there are things bigger than you, capable of killing you around |
| [13:44:33] | mycosys: | and because most drivers are just as bad as cyclists |
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| [13:44:53] | mycosys: | and truck drivers are the worst of the lot in general, and the most trained |
| [13:45:00] | hashbang: | mycosys: um, we do, generally. The worst drivers are the ones who are disqualified multiple times, uninsured, drunk, speeding, showing off, etc. They stand out a mile away,. |
| [13:45:04] | mycosys: | bus drivers are worse actually |
| [13:45:08] | mycosys: | and even more trained |
| [13:45:17] | justinh: | hashbang: BMW/Audi drivers too, generally |
| [13:45:28] | mycosys: | people drivers |
| [13:45:33] | justinh: | at least in manchester |
| [13:45:52] | hashbang: | justinh: never really noticed Audi drivers as being especially better or worse, BMW drivers, though... |
| [13:46:15] | hashbang: | justinh: Merc drivers, OTOH, generally seem to be polite and courteous, with possible exception of A class |
| [13:46:19] | mycosys: | bmw drivers got fed up of the bad bmw rep and moved to audi |
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| [13:46:40] | justinh: | watch out for the honda boy racers too |
| [13:46:47] | wagnerrp: | (and continued the behavior that gave them bad rep) |
| [13:46:48] | mycosys: | so now all the wankers are in audis and it is safe to have a bmw lol |
| [13:46:57] | mycosys: | yup wagnerrp lol |
| [13:47:17] | mycosys: | hence audi copped the rep, and u cant own one cos u will look like a tool |
| [13:47:19] | wagnerrp: | justinh: with the big rear spoilers on front wheel drive cars? i /love/ them! |
| [13:47:25] | mycosys: | which sux cos they are great cars |
| [13:47:38] | mycosys: | lol awesome hey wagnerrp |
| [13:47:59] | wagnerrp: | nothing like removing traction from your drive and steering wheels at high speed |
| [13:47:59] | mycosys: | lift the drive and steer wheels whenever you get up speed |
| [13:48:17] | mycosys: | spoilers on road cars in general are daft |
| [13:48:25] | wagnerrp: | "but but.. it adds down force. all race cars have them!" |
| [13:48:37] | mycosys: | add down force at high speed |
| [13:48:54] | mycosys: | useless at any legal speed |
| [13:48:58] | mycosys: | unless ur german |
| [13:49:01] | wagnerrp: | pretty much |
| [13:49:15] | wagnerrp: | i will admit many cars look... strange, with no spoiler |
| [13:49:19] | mycosys: | will only slow you down |
| [13:49:28] | hashbang: | Vauxhall Corsas with blue LEDs and filled with 4/5 blokes always trouble, too |
| [13:49:31] | mycosys: | yeah – a bit of a tail can look nice |
| [13:49:32] | wagnerrp: | they get that old man butt look going |
| [13:49:41] | justinh: | lol |
| [13:49:48] | wagnerrp: | the car just unnaturally stops |
| [13:49:49] | mycosys: | but really, kammback is sensible |
| [13:50:15] | mycosys: | anyway – time to sleep |
| [13:51:33] | mycosys: | nite fellas, always a pleasure chatting |
| [13:51:34] | justinh: | my car gets me to work & back cheaper, and in a more timely fashion than public transport. that's all it is |
| [13:51:42] | mycosys: | ditto |
| [13:51:43] | justinh: | night mycosys |
| [13:51:50] | justinh: | I don't care if it looks like ass :) |
| [13:51:51] | mycosys: | wish my bike would make it |
| [13:51:57] | mycosys: | night justinh |
| [13:52:04] | justinh: | 35 miles is way too far to cycle to work |
| [13:52:10] | hashbang: | justinh: train to work here; ~£240 per year, costs less than 3 days parking per week in central Bristol |
| [13:52:33] | justinh: | train to manchester from home, then train to warrington, then walk from the station 3 miles |
| [13:52:39] | mycosys: | is electric, 90k range |
| [13:52:41] | justinh: | total time about 1.5 hours each way |
| [13:52:50] | mycosys: | but wouldnt do 50k ea way on it lol |
| [13:52:53] | justinh: | £15 or so per day |
| [13:53:04] | mycosys: | 20 is ok |
| [13:53:14] | mycosys: | anyway – gone rofl |
| [13:53:32] | mycosys: | (oh, is also a chopper bike, looks awesome rofl) |
| [13:53:41] | justinh: | hahaha |
| [13:58:47] | justinh: | man, all these bike parts places I can find are just *stupid* prices for stuff |
| [13:59:04] | justinh: | I don't want carbon fibre, ceramic or moon metal alloy stuff |
| [13:59:43] | justinh: | sheesh it's an occasional hobby. I've not had a labotomy & if I wanted my bike to cost as much as my house I'd already be checking myself in |
| [14:02:45] | justinh: | it's my own fault I need a new wheel anyway. went to raise the handlebars yesterday but the retaining nut was stuck in the tube. Off came the front wheel – had to deflate it cos I was in a hurry – freed the nut, made the adjustment, then got my new pump to reinflate the tyre and... it was missing a vital component – I'd never tried it and.. it was too late to take it back. smashed the pump in a rage and threw my bike |
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| [14:15:36] | justinh: | ROFL. Had an email bounced from a site subscriber list.. an AOL account. Her inbox is full. WHAT? A FULL inbox?! |
| [14:16:12] | justinh: | I thought I'd banned AOL addresses from the list anyway |
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| [14:26:24] | justinh: | oo this seller does the same thing without tyre & tube even cheaper. think it could do with a new tyre, being as the original is like 15 years old |
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| [15:28:36] | iamlindoro: | justinh: Depending on your willingness to pay shipping, there are some boutique wheel manufacturers in the US where you can get 2x the wheel you would get from Zipp/SRAM/etc. |
| [15:29:35] | iamlindoro: | justinh: My everyday riding wheel is the System 30 from Williams Cycling, which would be 2x+ the price from the big names... but my wheels are handbuilt, with better hubs and the same rims as you would get in an equivalent zipp machine-built wheel |
| [15:30:27] | iamlindoro: | My race wheel is the 58/85mm carbon set from same company, which cost me $1050 but would be a $3000+ wheel from zipp |
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| [15:47:49] | wagnerrp: | since when does 'scientific linux 6.0' have its own mythtv theme? |
| [15:50:02] | iamlindoro: | it does? |
| [15:50:51] | wagnerrp: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki?title=VDPAU&cu . . . ;oldid=52050 |
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| [15:54:28] | iamlindoro: | More likely cluelessness about desktop theme v. Myth theme |
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| [17:51:49] | dmz: | quick question; i just changed my frontend and don't know where setting is for changing from jumping ahead 30 sec vs fast-forwarding |
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| [18:22:45] | skd5aner: | dmz: it's a keybinding |
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| [18:26:13] | wagnerrp: | jams: i dont know if there was ever much expectation of it being committed |
| [18:27:01] | wagnerrp: | it was a cool little feature, but the fact that it would either require the frontend to be run as root, or for there to be a helper application with setuid |
| [18:27:11] | jams: | there was at first, but man that was a long time ago |
| [18:27:13] | wagnerrp: | plus the needed manual configuration to get it work work |
| [18:27:38] | wagnerrp: | sort of flew in the face of where weve been trying to head towards since storage groups were implemented |
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| [18:29:37] | adubz: | everytime i exit mythtv i have a high pitched humming/buzzing sound ?? |
| [18:30:13] | wagnerrp: | although if using the control structure from those patches, and remote file access through mythbackend... i could very much see that being included and supported |
| [18:30:22] | wagnerrp: | that is... if we ever get encrypted remote ISO supprot |
| [18:30:38] | wagnerrp: | if you exit mythtv, then it cannot be mythtv that is causing it |
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| [18:35:36] | adubz: | wagnerrp what would cause a buzzing sound when exiting |
| [18:35:59] | adubz: | like when i press back on my remote or esc on keyboard to exit watching tv |
| [18:36:06] | adubz: | then i get a buzzing sound |
| [18:36:10] | wagnerrp: | pulseaudio, dumping all the stored up sound in its buffer |
| [18:36:29] | wagnerrp: | when exiting mythtv took pulse out of suspension, and allowed it access to ALSA again |
| [18:36:47] | adubz: | i didnt think |
| [18:36:54] | adubz: | that mythbuntu used |
| [18:36:58] | adubz: | pulse |
| [18:37:08] | adubz: | i thought it was gutted |
| [18:37:26] | tgm4883: | adubz, we dont |
| [18:37:40] | adubz: | im running mythbuntu |
| [18:37:54] | adubz: | it be nice to solve this everytime i get through watching tv i have to reboot my machine |
| [18:37:55] | tgm4883: | what version |
| [18:37:59] | adubz: | to get rid of the buzzing |
| [18:38:05] | adubz: | 11.04 mythbuntu |
| [18:38:11] | tgm4883: | what tuner? |
| [18:38:22] | adubz: | 1600 haugpauge |
| [18:38:25] | tgm4883: | hmm |
| [18:38:33] | wagnerrp: | more likely to be sound card than tuner |
| [18:38:37] | tgm4883: | let me verify it didn't sneak in somehow |
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| [18:38:54] | tgm4883: | dpkg -l pulseaudio |
| [18:38:59] | tgm4883: | what does that output? |
| [18:39:08] | tgm4883: | !pastebin |
| [18:39:15] | tgm4883: | worth a shot |
| [18:39:24] | tgm4883: | use http://mythtv.pastebin.com |
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| [18:41:31] | adubz: | http://pastebin.com/s4b5QUbf |
| [18:42:47] | tgm4883: | pulseaudio isn't installed |
| [18:42:55] | tgm4883: | wagnerrp, ^ |
| [18:43:00] | adubz: | cool |
| [18:43:19] | adubz: | could this be a grounding thing |
| [18:43:58] | adubz: | if i hit mute with my remote |
| [18:44:02] | adubz: | the sound does stop |
| [18:44:19] | adubz: | after exiting the program |
| [18:44:28] | adubz: | if i exit myth everytime it will buzz |
| [18:44:29] | adubz: | :) |
| [18:45:30] | adubz: | http://www.mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/ . . . /060063.html |
| [18:45:44] | adubz: | this is the closest description of what i can find to my issue |
| [18:45:51] | adubz: | thanks for helping me tackle this btw tgm4883 |
| [18:46:15] | tgm4883: | did you try that? |
| [18:46:25] | adubz: | i am going to do now |
| [18:46:30] | adubz: | i just found it |
| [18:46:40] | adubz: | need to get my headset brb |
| [18:47:26] | wagnerrp: | adubz: are you using analog or digital? |
| [18:48:20] | wagnerrp: | audio output, that is |
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| [18:54:43] | adubz: | wagnerrp analog only |
| [18:54:58] | adubz: | i have not seen this until now |
| [18:55:02] | adubz: | this issue |
| [18:55:23] | adubz: | odd i just exited and this time it did not do it |
| [18:55:37] | adubz: | ok now its doing it again |
| [18:55:39] | adubz: | lol |
| [18:55:48] | adubz: | until i go back into live tv |
| [18:55:52] | _Zaphod_: | so i decided to try and make one of thoes dual core atom/ion motherboards into a frontend/backend machine. and have been having difficulty getting my legally owned blu-ray to play back. it works fine in powerdvd blu-ray in windoze. Yes i know i need to rip it or try makemkv. problem is i'm not getting a stable picture. |
| [18:57:08] | wagnerrp: | you are currently trying to play directly off the disk? |
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| [18:57:58] | _Zaphod_: | nope. |
| [18:58:02] | wagnerrp: | have you installed libbluray and libaacs, and configured a keyfile? |
| [18:58:05] | _Zaphod_: | i know that doesn't work without makemkv |
| [18:58:16] | _Zaphod_: | yeah. i CAN see graphics. |
| [18:58:18] | wagnerrp: | no, mythtv will play bluray straight off the disk |
| [18:58:23] | wagnerrp: | makemkv is not needed |
| [18:58:24] | _Zaphod_: | but the ideo keep ssticking. |
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| [18:58:48] | _Zaphod_: | i know the hardware can do it, it works in windows. :) |
| [18:58:52] | wagnerrp: | but it will only play AACS disks, no bd+ disks |
| [18:59:19] | wagnerrp: | so what are you playing currently, if not the disk? |
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| [18:59:54] | wagnerrp: | im guessing the main title m2ts, or that remuxed into an mkv? |
| [19:00:09] | wagnerrp: | (either should have only taken a few dozen minutes) |
| [19:00:29] | wagnerrp: | and not a transcoded copy (which would have taken days) |
| [19:01:02] | _Zaphod_: | i ripped it with makemkv's rip to hard drive function. was that my error? |
| [19:01:14] | wagnerrp: | that depends, how long did it take? |
| [19:01:16] | _Zaphod_: | yes,i ripped the main title. i didn't trnascode it. |
| [19:01:44] | wagnerrp: | if its the original h264/vc1, mythtv should be able to play it fine using VDPAU |
| [19:01:56] | _Zaphod_: | that's what ai thought. and i have live tv workign just fine. |
| [19:02:05] | wagnerrp: | have you gone into the playback settings, and changed it to VDPAU Normal? |
| [19:02:12] | wagnerrp: | the playback profile, that is |
| [19:02:15] | _Zaphod_: | but the video moves for a few seconds then pauses whiel the audio goes on. |
| [19:02:26] | _Zaphod_: | is there more than one place to set it? |
| [19:02:46] | _Zaphod_: | first i tried vp-dau high, then i tried normal. |
| [19:02:50] | wagnerrp: | frontend configuration, setup, video, playback profile, page 3 i believe |
| [19:02:58] | _Zaphod_: | also, this is 1080p display. |
| [19:03:05] | wagnerrp: | on that chip, you want VDPAU Normal |
| [19:03:21] | wagnerrp: | but the only difference between Slim, Normal, and High are the deinterlacers |
| [19:03:31] | wagnerrp: | and youre not using deinterlacing on 1080p content from a bluray |
| [19:03:35] | _Zaphod_: | right. |
| [19:03:46] | wagnerrp: | so for these purposes, any of the VDPAU profiles should work equally well |
| [19:04:00] | _Zaphod_: | i think the board is actually "next generation ion" |
| [19:05:03] | wagnerrp: | doesnt matter, the 9400M and g218m should both use the Normal profile |
| [19:05:06] | _Zaphod_: | also say i want the most full featured setup for the least money. :) what's the best way to handle it? i've sine figured out that comflagging takes a lot of cpu. |
| [19:05:20] | justinh: | bye bye logitech harmony 515 ! Had a new remote for ages, finally got round to programming it (found a PVR device profile with almost all buttons active(, learned it in lirc and edited my lircrc file. In less than half an hour :-) |
| [19:05:37] | _Zaphod_: | is it better to split the frontend and backend? |
| [19:05:55] | wagnerrp: | the frontend/backend split is entirely up to you |
| [19:05:59] | justinh: | the new remote new, was less than the 515 cost at vastly reduced price, is lighter, takes less batteries and is infinitely faster to respond to presses |
| [19:06:24] | justinh: | and it doesn't have to be programmed with some frickin LAME windows web-based thing :-D |
| [19:06:25] | wagnerrp: | its intended as a way to have multiple frontends, and to allow a big machine with a bunch of hard drives and tuners to sit somewhere other than next to your tv |
| [19:07:00] | _Zaphod_: | right. i mean from a cost versus workign features perspective. |
| [19:07:09] | justinh: | _Zaphod_: I run them separate but I don't really *have* to. sometimes though, it's just nice to so you don't have to have a big fugly box in the lounge or whatever |
| [19:07:11] | wagnerrp: | however do note that with a large lineup, or multiple tuners, an Atom will be insufficient to use as a backend |
| [19:07:25] | wagnerrp: | and im talking about basic operation, not the jobqueue/commflagger |
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| [19:08:05] | justinh: | and you can always have the big fugly box in a different part of the house. HDMI is easy to extend over those kind of distances, and RF remotes are pretty cheap – as are IR extenders |
| [19:08:44] | justinh: | is it just me who noticed that nobody has ever called it the *mighty* Atom ? :D |
| [19:09:04] | wagnerrp: | yeah, ive got one of my slave backends on a shelf in the basement directly underneath the tv |
| [19:09:13] | wagnerrp: | with HDMI and USB running through a hole in the floor |
| [19:09:23] | justinh: | oh to have another space we could fill with crap |
| [19:09:23] | _Zaphod_: | i just read about how recording broadcast digital and playing it back didn't need much cpu. :) |
| [19:09:26] | wagnerrp: | a couple other people have them on the opposite sides of a wall |
| [19:09:39] | wagnerrp: | _Zaphod_: that 'not much cpu' is still more than the Atom provides |
| [19:09:46] | _Zaphod_: | so i figured that the atom box world be useful. |
| [19:09:58] | justinh: | _Zaphod_: yeah but in the US/Canada broadcast TV is mpeg2.. broadcast OTA TV that is |
| [19:10:00] | wagnerrp: | your Atom is roughly comparable to a 2004-era machine |
| [19:10:01] | _Zaphod_: | in other words, they are realyl only good as frontends? |
| [19:10:12] | wagnerrp: | no, in other words Atoms arent good for much at all |
| [19:10:14] | _Zaphod_: | it records and plays back fine. |
| [19:10:25] | justinh: | no and I know from bitter experience you wouldn't want to rely on hardware acceleration |
| [19:10:29] | wagnerrp: | the only reason your system is useful as a frontend is because the Atom isnt really doing anything |
| [19:10:36] | wagnerrp: | the nVidia graphics chip is doing all the gruntwork |
| [19:10:41] | _Zaphod_: | right. |
| [19:10:51] | _Zaphod_: | and recording is literally writing out a bitstream. |
| [19:11:10] | justinh: | heck, a modern CPU with enough grunt to deal with any broadcast format is still pretty cheap – and only gonna get cheaper |
| [19:11:11] | wagnerrp: | yes, but commflagging and transcoding are far more intensive |
| [19:11:21] | wagnerrp: | and an atom will do neither in real time for full bitrate ATSC |
| [19:11:28] | _Zaphod_: | yeah. |
| [19:11:31] | wagnerrp: | the database and scheduler are also intensive |
| [19:11:49] | _Zaphod_: | well how much money needs to be spent to build ourown decent setup. honestly? |
| [19:11:57] | justinh: | why do we waste so much time trying to persuade people to do the right thing? |
| [19:12:01] | wagnerrp: | so with a couple tuners, or a large cable lineup, scheduler runs will take long enough that it will stall in-progress recordings and frontend UIs |
| [19:12:16] | wagnerrp: | _Zaphod_: honestly, not much more than that Atom |
| [19:12:32] | justinh: | oh, you didn't already buy it did you? |
| [19:12:34] | wagnerrp: | a high end dual core AMD goes for $60 |
| [19:12:41] | Beirdo: | should we add to the /topic: "Atoms suck for MythTV"? |
| [19:12:53] | _Zaphod_: | probably should. :) |
| [19:12:54] | justinh: | Beirdo: add it to the *code* LOL |
| [19:13:10] | wagnerrp: | paired with a microatx board and onboard GF8200, and 2GB of memory, youre looking at maybe $150 for the whole system |
| [19:13:12] | Beirdo: | justinh: hehe, or that. Refuse to even configure on one? |
| [19:13:22] | justinh: | Beirdo: to *run* on one :D |
| [19:13:29] | wagnerrp: | thats pretty comparable to an ION board and memory |
| [19:13:37] | justinh: | your system must be *this* tall to run mythtv |
| [19:14:06] | _Zaphod_: | okay, where are those spectacular prices? I haven't seen them. |
| [19:14:11] | wagnerrp: | newegg |
| [19:14:37] | _Zaphod_: | okay, where are these to be found NOT online? :) |
| [19:14:42] | justinh: | and FWIW don't get started on power savings because 25W vs a little more is small beans, plus you get an actual useful system as opposed to a doorstop which can decode video in hardware :) |
| [19:15:13] | justinh: | _Zaphod_: why not online? |
| [19:15:23] | Beirdo: | justinh: add a --really-compile-for-braindead-atom |
| [19:15:24] | justinh: | I buy wherever I get the best deal |
| [19:15:26] | wagnerrp: | _Zaphod_: youre probably not going to find them B&M, since boards with onboard nvidia are pretty rare these days |
| [19:15:36] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [19:15:45] | _Zaphod_: | other than those ions, huh? |
| [19:15:48] | justinh: | which reminds me. I need to order that wheel |
| [19:15:51] | wagnerrp: | however any board, with a $25 GT210 would work just as well, if a bit larger |
| [19:16:28] | wagnerrp: | or you can eschew hardware acceleration for now, and go with an i3 system |
| [19:16:56] | wagnerrp: | $225 (newegg prices) gets you a mini-itx board, i3 with onboard graphics, and 2GB of memory |
| [19:17:14] | wagnerrp: | no VDPAU, but the chip itself is plenty fast for all your software decoding needs, including bluray |
| [19:17:22] | _Zaphod_: | and it has the hdmi out? |
| [19:17:33] | wagnerrp: | and youre looking at maybe 25W idle consumption for a diskless frontend |
| [19:17:58] | _Zaphod_: | the objective here s to make a box that sits pretty by the tv and does everything if possible. :) |
| [19:18:24] | justinh: | pretty? OUCH. Now you're talking $$$$$$ |
| [19:18:39] | _Zaphod_: | well by looks pretty i mean somewhat small case. :) |
| [19:18:56] | wagnerrp: | why do you need to sit it by the tv |
| [19:18:57] | _Zaphod_: | somethin that actualyl looks liek a tivo. |
| [19:18:58] | justinh: | somewhat small? hmmmm. you're still boned then |
| [19:19:00] | tgm4883: | IIRC, my antec case was $75 |
| [19:19:04] | wagnerrp: | get some velcro and strap it behind the tv |
| [19:19:14] | wagnerrp: | cut a hole in the wall, and put it in another room/basement |
| [19:19:17] | JEDIDIAH__: | combo fe/be is going to be a little tricky just because PCs in general aren't built to fit in the same space as a Tivo. |
| [19:19:19] | tgm4883: | wagnerrp, heh, thats where my frontend was for awhile |
| [19:19:23] | tgm4883: | but my tv gets hot :( |
| [19:19:31] | justinh: | plasma FTL |
| [19:19:39] | tgm4883: | wagnerrp, my frontend actually came with a tv mount |
| [19:19:40] | JEDIDIAH__: | I had to dump a lower profile antec case because of this. |
| [19:19:41] | _Zaphod_: | so the best way to go is seperate the frontend and backend. |
| [19:19:59] | justinh: | not necessarily. as we've already said |
| [19:20:01] | wagnerrp: | if you want a small frontend, thats about the only way to go |
| [19:20:08] | JEDIDIAH__: | if you can fit a larger HTPC case into your current setup, then you're fine. |
| [19:20:12] | tgm4883: | bah |
| [19:20:22] | wagnerrp: | since hard drives and tuners are going to take up space, and thats unavoidable |
| [19:20:28] | tgm4883: | _Zaphod_, my typing skills hate your name |
| [19:20:29] | JEDIDIAH__: | otherwise minis/ions have a bit of an advantage. |
| [19:20:41] | _Zaphod_: | i'll be honest. i'm not doing this for me. soemone who pays me money wants to set these up for people and resell them. |
| [19:20:57] | justinh: | I think I feel sick |
| [19:21:02] | ** tgm4883 sighs ** | |
| [19:21:13] | _Zaphod_: | i know. sorry to have bothered you.. |
| [19:21:14] | tgm4883: | justinh, I think that means we can be more harsh? |
| [19:21:19] | justinh: | I just helped somebody make money from being too lazy to do their own research |
| [19:21:27] | _Zaphod_: | i did do research. |
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| [19:21:37] | _Zaphod_: | was jsut lead te wrong way. |
| [19:21:42] | _Zaphod_: | and i'm not gonna see any of this. |
| [19:21:48] | tgm4883: | you just thought that Atom's were magic? |
| [19:22:16] | wagnerrp: | tgm4883: thats what all the advertising says |
| [19:22:23] | justinh: | the problem with anything like the Atom & Ion systems in general – and everything that we've had before them – is that nobody ever seems to mention the possible problems |
| [19:22:28] | justinh: | NOBODY |
| [19:22:38] | tgm4883: | except in germany, where it's illegal to say it contains magic unless it actually contains magic |
| [19:22:43] | _Zaphod_: | and i checked the sites and saw that yes, they probably really could record an dplayback ATSC. |
| [19:22:47] | justinh: | outside of here at least, where the voice of reason is loud :D |
| [19:23:00] | _Zaphod_: | and a lot of people were using them in HTPC setups. |
| [19:23:16] | tgm4883: | I have one as my frontend |
| [19:23:21] | tgm4883: | a zotac something |
| [19:23:40] | tgm4883: | I haven't tested it with OTA though |
| [19:24:00] | justinh: | once upon a time there was a bunch of internet sites which swore blind that the Via Epia series of boards were the best thing since sliced bread for small form factor HTPCs |
| [19:24:04] | tgm4883: | _Zaphod_, why not online though? I might have missed that in the scrollback |
| [19:24:07] | justinh: | oh how wrong they were |
| [19:24:13] | _Zaphod_: | well at least in the usa, broadcast hi-def deos record and play fine. |
| [19:24:36] | wagnerrp: | tgm4883: probably because hes installing it now, and needs something that works imminently |
| [19:24:45] | tgm4883: | ah |
| [19:24:52] | _Zaphod_: | sort of. |
| [19:25:08] | tgm4883: | My advice. Tell whoever your client is that you failed and mythtv is not to blame |
| [19:25:11] | justinh: | how long does shipping take over there? :O |
| [19:25:13] | _Zaphod_: | the soner i can get it and work the kinks out, the sooner i could write out the shopping list, and then they can be grabbed online later. |
| [19:25:32] | tgm4883: | _Zaphod_, what kinks need to be worked out? |
| [19:25:34] | JEDIDIAH__: | I had no trouble with 1080i ATSC on the older AppleTV. It doesn't take much to play back US OTA stuff. |
| [19:26:15] | wagnerrp: | the appletv had the advantage of XvMC for partial offload |
| [19:26:22] | justinh: | heck, my 2ghz athlon could almost play ATSC recordings realtime |
| [19:26:30] | tgm4883: | you either A) will take recommendations made by people that already have the hardware tested and in use in which case there are no kinks to work out or B) You will get whatever hardware you want and submit patches to various teams to get the issues fixed |
| [19:26:32] | JEDIDIAH__: | it's stuff like Flash, BD-ROM & HD-PVR recordings that cause trouble. |
| [19:26:35] | tgm4883: | I highly doubt it is the later |
| [19:26:44] | wagnerrp: | that 1GHz Dothan is also not far off from the capability of one of those Atom cores |
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| [19:26:57] | tgm4883: | justinh, i'm pretty sure I could have done it with my athlon XP 2600+ |
| [19:27:09] | justinh: | heh it was *almost* realtime. so close |
| [19:27:19] | tgm4883: | I only had a 2500+ though :( |
| [19:27:21] | tgm4883: | s/my/a/ |
| [19:27:39] | tgm4883: | I quickly upgraded to an X2 3800+ an I'm fine now |
| [19:27:40] | justinh: | also the problem with small 'HTPC' cases is they're really crap at dissipating heat |
| [19:27:57] | justinh: | so if you've got a HDD, CPU.. all in a confined space with minimal airflow... |
| [19:28:08] | JEDIDIAH__: | Something like a used i945 Mac Mini would also be fine for the non-ugly stuff. That's what I used before the HD-PVR came along. |
| [19:28:09] | wagnerrp: | my XP 2600+ does ATSC playback at around 70–90% load, with no deinterlacers |
| [19:28:23] | tgm4883: | wagnerrp, I KNEW IT! |
| [19:28:26] | _Zaphod_: | i will have to look into the nforce motherboards, though. |
| [19:28:30] | wagnerrp: | if i try to deinterlace, it all falls apart |
| [19:28:33] | tgm4883: | I might still have that box in the closet somewhere |
| [19:28:36] | justinh: | JEDIDIAH__: ah, but if only I could buy a used mac mini for a decent fraction of the new price |
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| [19:28:55] | wagnerrp: | im also dealing with content around 12–15mbps, not the full 19mbps that ATSC is capable of |
| [19:28:58] | justinh: | to me, used means < 70% of new price |
| [19:29:01] | tgm4883: | _Zaphod_, so in conclusion, forget the atom. Get a real system for a combined FE/BE |
| [19:29:02] | wagnerrp: | it would choke hard on full bitrate content |
| [19:29:07] | justinh: | ideally less than 50% new price :) |
| [19:29:26] | justinh: | my wife would still love to see a mac mini under our telly |
| [19:29:34] | adubz: | mythtv = very buggy software |
| [19:29:34] | justinh: | but she knows how much they cost lol |
| [19:29:39] | adubz: | there i said it |
| [19:29:41] | adubz: | lol |
| [19:29:46] | JEDIDIAH__: | it has it's moments. |
| [19:29:48] | _Zaphod_: | also, how much cpu does it take to run winndoze in a virtual machine for netflix? |
| [19:29:49] | tgm4883: | adubz, I disagree |
| [19:29:57] | tgm4883: | _Zaphod_, or don't |
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| [19:30:03] | justinh: | adubz: mythtv – used by a clutch of clueless dolts. People who know what they're doing have reliable systems :D |
| [19:30:08] | adubz: | tgm4883 if you have had the headaches i have had you would agree |
| [19:30:09] | JEDIDIAH__: | as much trouble as myth is given me, I would not trade it for MCE or any of the Apple stuff or defect back to a Tivo |
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| [19:30:21] | tgm4883: | adubz, get better hardware ;) |
| [19:30:32] | adubz: | quadcore 8 gigs of ram |
| [19:30:34] | adubz: | ya |
| [19:30:37] | tgm4883: | JEDIDIAH__, tivo is great |
| [19:30:42] | justinh: | adubz: PC chips motherboard? |
| [19:30:47] | JEDIDIAH__: | tivo was great 10 years ago. |
| [19:30:50] | JEDIDIAH__: | now not so much |
| [19:30:53] | adubz: | ocz amd |
| [19:30:56] | justinh: | gentoo with all the wrong USE flags? |
| [19:31:01] | adubz: | all name brand and high end |
| [19:31:08] | wagnerrp: | _Zaphod_: dont bother, get some other device for netflix |
| [19:31:15] | adubz: | ya once upon a time i had mythtv working and then the audio just stops |
| [19:31:21] | tgm4883: | JEDIDIAH__, I mean, I bought one at goodwill for $20, it had lifetime subscription. I hacked it, installed a larger hard drive and sold it for $300 |
| [19:31:22] | adubz: | for no reason just stop no update taken nothing |
| [19:31:24] | justinh: | adubz: awww bless |
| [19:31:24] | _Zaphod_: | or is there a better method for it? |
| [19:31:28] | JEDIDIAH__: | the family was weaned off of Tivo with mythtv very quickly. Didn't want to go back when my first frankenpc frontend went belly up. |
| [19:31:30] | adubz: | then a few weeks later it decides to work again |
| [19:31:34] | adubz: | me being hte hopeful i am |
| [19:31:35] | justinh: | adubz: ubuntu? |
| [19:31:40] | tgm4883: | adubz, quadcore with 8GB of ram doesn't mean you have good components |
| [19:31:42] | adubz: | mythbuntu |
| [19:31:47] | tgm4883: | it means you have good specs |
| [19:31:49] | JEDIDIAH__: | I guess I shouldn't have tossed mine... |
| [19:31:50] | adubz: | tgm4883 i realize this |
| [19:31:51] | tgm4883: | there is a difference |
| [19:32:11] | justinh: | wear antistatic gear when you were making the box hmm? ;-) |
| [19:32:13] | adubz: | but my many years of experience in computer technology tells me my parts are good |
| [19:32:22] | adubz: | ya im ranting |
| [19:32:23] | adubz: | go figure |
| [19:32:25] | wagnerrp: | holy crap! |
| [19:32:30] | wagnerrp: | i just broke something hard |
| [19:32:32] | justinh: | does memtest agree? :-) |
| [19:32:47] | JEDIDIAH__: | myth stuff has it's moments but no more than anything else. you can apply similar tweaks to help things along. |
| [19:32:48] | tgm4883: | adubz, oh sorry, I didn't know you had "many years of experience in computer technology" |
| [19:32:57] | adubz: | now you do |
| [19:32:57] | tgm4883: | in that case, yes mythtv is buggy |
| [19:33:02] | wagnerrp: | start mythbackend and bam! 1GB of consumption |
| [19:33:03] | adubz: | ;) |
| [19:33:09] | justinh: | I forget the last time my backend or frontend fell over. it was so long ago |
| [19:33:23] | tgm4883: | or possibly, you just purchased parts that aren't too linux friendly? |
| [19:33:34] | justinh: | and no, I don't have to continually tinker with it |
| [19:33:43] | adubz: | nope i have used various distros all flawless as an os |
| [19:33:51] | adubz: | except when you try to run myth flawlessly |
| [19:33:59] | adubz: | without something quirky going on |
| [19:34:03] | tgm4883: | adubz, whats the issue? |
| [19:34:04] | adubz: | i should rephrase |
| [19:34:08] | adubz: | HDMI audio |
| [19:34:16] | adubz: | i have it working again mucking around with files |
| [19:34:19] | adubz: | to get it working |
| [19:34:22] | justinh: | even when I've demoed *trunk* mythtv in a high pressure environment it's been solid :) (i.e. linux expos) |
| [19:34:23] | tgm4883: | what files? |
| [19:34:23] | adubz: | on the system and it works in myth again |
| [19:34:30] | justinh: | adubz: that's not mythtv at fault, then |
| [19:34:32] | JEDIDIAH__: | mythtv is not so unreliable (even at it's worst) that standard tweaks won't keep it hapy. |
| [19:34:35] | wagnerrp: | adubz: you said you were using analog audio |
| [19:34:46] | JEDIDIAH__: | HDMI is a generic Linux issue. Has really nothing to do with MythTV. |
| [19:34:47] | adubz: | analog tv |
| [19:34:54] | justinh: | if editing ANY config file fixes stuff, it is NOT a mythtv problem |
| [19:35:00] | tgm4883: | wagnerrp, don't question him. he has "many years of experience in computer technology" |
| [19:35:05] | adubz: | right i understand |
| [19:35:06] | adubz: | but |
| [19:35:10] | wagnerrp: | adubz: how are you outputting sound? |
| [19:35:10] | justinh: | no but |
| [19:35:10] | adubz: | here me out |
| [19:35:15] | justinh: | and it's HEAR |
| [19:35:20] | JEDIDIAH__: | you are whining about ALSA and blaming mythtv ("experienced" indeed) |
| [19:35:25] | justinh: | no buts |
| [19:35:25] | adubz: | oh lord |
| [19:35:30] | adubz: | no no no |
| [19:35:36] | adubz: | your not following |
| [19:35:38] | adubz: | hdmi audio works now |
| [19:35:40] | adubz: | on everything |
| [19:35:45] | tgm4883: | so you need pulseaudio for your HDMI, but mythtv doesn't support it |
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| [19:35:49] | adubz: | xbmc no issues what so ever never had a single one |
| [19:35:55] | adubz: | in mythbuntu 10.10 |
| [19:35:57] | justinh: | if you get stuff working and mythtv is happy, then some time down the line stuff goes wrong and editing a config file fixes it, it is NOT a mythtv problem |
| [19:36:01] | adubz: | it took forever to get sound working |
| [19:36:02] | _Zaphod_: | i actually did get hdmi audio working. that took a bit of tweaking, but i got it. |
| [19:36:10] | JEDIDIAH__: | that's funny, I use the XBMC docs to setup my MythTV HDMI audio. |
| [19:36:15] | adubz: | although it was working everywhere else then all of a sudden no change it worked |
| [19:36:16] | justinh: | config files do not change over time |
| [19:36:23] | adubz: | then two weeks later it stopped working completely |
| [19:36:25] | justinh: | nor do values in the database |
| [19:36:27] | adubz: | no reason no updates taken |
| [19:36:32] | adubz: | now tell me that isnt myth?? |
| [19:36:39] | justinh: | that is not mythtv |
| [19:36:40] | tgm4883: | adubz, it's not myth |
| [19:36:40] | JEDIDIAH__: | how do you know it is? |
| [19:36:45] | justinh: | that is failings in the ubuntu audio system |
| [19:36:46] | _Zaphod_: | no it's probably some other application doing it. |
| [19:36:48] | adubz: | oh but it is |
| [19:36:49] | justinh: | I've seen it myself |
| [19:36:53] | adubz: | audio works everywhere else |
| [19:36:54] | tgm4883: | adubz, prove it |
| [19:36:56] | adubz: | even xbmc |
| [19:37:04] | adubz: | lol its common sense |
| [19:37:05] | JEDIDIAH__: | you're just making assumptions with apparently no troubleshooting to back itg up. |
| [19:37:08] | adubz: | it works everywhere else |
| [19:37:17] | tgm4883: | JEDIDIAH__, he does have "many years of experience in computer technology" |
| [19:37:20] | adubz: | its an easy one to make |
| [19:37:26] | adubz: | tgm4883 |
| [19:37:33] | adubz: | you can mock me all you want |
| [19:37:41] | tgm4883: | adubz, sorry,I hear that one so many times it makes me crazy |
| [19:37:43] | wagnerrp: | adubz: are you actually trying to do passthrough in XBMC? or just play audio in XBMC? |
| [19:37:44] | justinh: | adubz: NO. I used to have issues with an older frontend. no changes to mythtv setup – sometimes audio would work analogue+digital, other times not. No changes to the system at ALL |
| [19:37:50] | wagnerrp: | those are two different things |
| [19:37:56] | adubz: | tgm4883 im a nix admin bro |
| [19:38:00] | justinh: | LOL |
| [19:38:05] | adubz: | for a major corporation and a security admin |
| [19:38:06] | adubz: | yep |
| [19:38:07] | tgm4883: | adubz, even better |
| [19:38:08] | justinh: | LOL |
| [19:38:08] | _Zaphod_: | alos, windows is usually better at handling flaky hardware than linux is. |
| [19:38:12] | adubz: | ok im not |
| [19:38:15] | _Zaphod_: | i'll give it that. |
| [19:38:25] | tgm4883: | I talk to people all the time that insist on telling me all the certifications they have |
| [19:38:32] | adubz: | tgm4883 |
| [19:38:33] | tgm4883: | it's stomach wreching |
| [19:38:42] | adubz: | its all good i have nothing to prove on irc |
| [19:38:50] | tgm4883: | adubz, nor do I care |
| [19:38:53] | justinh: | adubz: my point is, that ubuntu's audio can be flaky – maybe because whatever version of alsa they rolled out with wasn't quite there yet or whatever.. |
| [19:39:03] | adubz: | right |
| [19:39:04] | JEDIDIAH__: | good thing then. "major corporation" doesn't impress anyone with a clue about this sort of thing. |
| [19:39:05] | adubz: | and i agree |
| [19:39:08] | adubz: | but in the end |
| [19:39:15] | _Zaphod_: | yeah, a ubuntu update could easily have screwed over myths audio. |
| [19:39:15] | adubz: | right |
| [19:39:21] | justinh: | but stuff like that can not be blamed on mythtv because if it EVER worked and you didn't change a setting, it's NOT a mythtv problem |
| [19:39:24] | JEDIDIAH__: | what ubuntu does to audio is why you don't use their defaults. |
| [19:39:24] | adubz: | but people are flaming me |
| [19:39:28] | adubz: | so thats whats up |
| [19:39:38] | tgm4883: | adubz, your a nix admin for a major corporation on IRC in the middle of the day? |
| [19:39:38] | justinh: | adubz: you think this is flaming? |
| [19:39:47] | adubz: | i work 12 hr shifts |
| [19:39:57] | adubz: | im off sun mon tues and weds of this week |
| [19:39:59] | justinh: | just pointing out the facts of the situation |
| [19:40:00] | adubz: | pretty awesome setup |
| [19:40:06] | tgm4883: | nice |
| [19:40:20] | adubz: | anyway im done ranting its just 10 kinds of frustrating |
| [19:40:32] | tgm4883: | patches welcome |
| [19:40:35] | tgm4883: | there I said it |
| [19:40:43] | adubz: | when my only hurdle to having my system optimized the way i want is myth everytime myth audio |
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| [19:40:45] | tgm4883: | it had to be done |
| [19:40:49] | JEDIDIAH__: | I think it's just a documentation issue. Probably already covered in the wiki. |
| [19:40:53] | justinh: | adubz: just pointing out it's not mythtv's fault. if it ever worked it should continue to if the system config stays the same |
| [19:41:06] | tgm4883: | why would you use mythtv and xbmc? |
| [19:41:13] | tgm4883: | seems like a duplication of effort |
| [19:41:15] | justinh: | that other apps seem to work is of no matter |
| [19:41:20] | adubz: | na i like xbmc |
| [19:41:28] | JEDIDIAH__: | hey, I could see using xbmc in place of mythvideo and having a menu item for it (like Hulu) |
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| [19:41:42] | tgm4883: | JEDIDIAH__, sounds pretty clunky to me |
| [19:41:54] | adubz: | i like the flare it has the look and feel its a nice show off factor |
| [19:42:06] | JEDIDIAH__: | It's Unix. That kind of clunkiness is not a bug, it's a feature. |
| [19:42:06] | adubz: | i use it for managing videos |
| [19:42:27] | tgm4883: | JEDIDIAH__, it's Linux, and clunkiness still makes me puke |
| [19:42:35] | adubz: | well hopefully ill figure out why when i stop watching tv on myth i can stop the buzzing sound it makes |
| [19:42:48] | JEDIDIAH__: | Unix is Unix. |
| [19:42:56] | tgm4883: | JEDIDIAH__, yes it is |
| [19:43:05] | _Zaphod_: | still trying to fidn those miracle motherboards this one here http://www.amazon.com/Zotac-GF8200-C-8200-ITX . . . p/B001NGP6DG seems to be close, but it's more expensive, probably because of the built in wireless. |
| [19:43:11] | justinh: | I'd pay money to have decent audio in linux |
| [19:43:19] | justinh: | open source or nto |
| [19:43:21] | justinh: | *not |
| [19:43:23] | adubz: | in the meantime i will reboot my machine everytime after watching tv with myth |
| [19:43:34] | tgm4883: | adubz, is it just live tv, or recorded too? |
| [19:43:41] | justinh: | heck I'd pay money to see pulseaudio taken away & shot |
| [19:43:45] | justinh: | bet I'm not alone :-) |
| [19:43:47] | adubz: | both |
| [19:43:47] | JEDIDIAH__: | what does that mean exactly though? |
| [19:44:15] | jams: | justinh- and thats why I use OSS |
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| [19:44:32] | tgm4883: | adante, out of curiosity, did you try this http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=10312715&postcount=6 |
| [19:45:09] | tgm4883: | bah |
| [19:45:12] | tgm4883: | adubz, ^ |
| [19:45:19] | JEDIDIAH__: | ...that looks very much like the sort of solution you can find at XBMC forums tgm. |
| [19:45:29] | adubz: | thanks guys |
| [19:45:37] | adubz: | i will review |
| [19:45:38] | justinh: | I spent near 20 hours straight trying to make analogue and digital audio work on my last frontend in ubuntu – sometimes he work, sometimes he not. |
| [19:45:41] | tgm4883: | JEDIDIAH__, IDK, I just did a quick google search |
| [19:46:00] | ** tgm4883 goes to lunch ** | |
| [19:46:05] | justinh: | configuring that sort of thing with alsa was a PITA |
| [19:47:25] | adubz: | tgm4883 your my hero if this works |
| [19:47:30] | adubz: | looks outright hopeful |
| [19:47:33] | adubz: | trying now |
| [19:48:47] | justinh: | has anyone actually explained what the asound.conf file stuff means in layman's terms |
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| [19:50:00] | ** justinh bats firefox across the room again for moving the fricking icons ** | |
| [19:50:04] | justinh: | ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH |
| [19:52:38] | tgm4883: | adubz, I hope it works. I like being the hero |
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| [19:54:09] | tgm4883: | adubz, ping me if it doesn't. I'll keep my eye out for a resolution. I'm not an ass all the time ;) |
| [19:54:36] | justinh: | anyway, see – still not a mythtv problem :D |
| [19:55:54] | brtab4138: | I just updated to the latest point in master and suddenly getting "Failed to bind port 6543. Exiting." on a slave backend. I've reverted Daniel's big commit and still getting the same problem. There is no other BE running and nothing is using port 6543. Is there something else I can check? |
| [19:56:32] | justinh: | your motivation for running master. I'd look into that :P |
| [19:57:05] | _Zaphod_: | okay, so an nforce 750a motherboard should do it, right? |
| [19:57:07] | brtab4138: | It's been running fine for the most part. |
| [19:57:22] | _Zaphod_: | and a amd dual core, and the emmory. that's the $150 price figure, right? |
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| [19:58:16] | wagnerrp: | process will be $60, nvidia board $60–80 (if you can find one), 2GB memory $20 |
| [19:58:29] | wagnerrp: | or you could go for a generic amd board, and a GT210 for $25 |
| [20:00:57] | JEDIDIAH__: | if you are building the whole box, you might as well go for a 430 or a 520. Better audio support. |
| [20:01:44] | wagnerrp: | depends on the receiver |
| [20:01:52] | wagnerrp: | no point if your AV receiver cant bitstream those formats |
| [20:02:05] | justinh: | oh for pity's sakes. family guy was bumped last night for the Lady Gaga gig at BBC radio1's one big weekend |
| [20:02:21] | _Zaphod_: | i can find $90 boards that have the vidoe card mentioned. |
| [20:02:34] | JEDIDIAH__: | you're building the box to avoid being too cheap, so being too cheap about it is a little silly. |
| [20:02:53] | JEDIDIAH__: | if your box is built in a limited fashion then you will always have the limitation, even if you decide to get a new reciever. |
| [20:02:57] | _Zaphod_: | zotac seems to make them, and they have a built in wireless. |
| [20:03:32] | _Zaphod_: | well i'd be using hdmi audio. |
| [20:04:07] | _Zaphod_: | the zotac board appears to have a dvi to hdmi adapter. |
| [20:04:25] | justinh: | so with DVI you wouldn't be doing HDMI audio then |
| [20:04:44] | _Zaphod_: | well then that board is a non starter. |
| [20:05:28] | _Zaphod_: | better to just get a cheap non onboard card with hdmi. |
| [20:05:28] | wagnerrp: | yeah, ive got one with hdmi from two years ago, but as mentioned, theyre just getting very rare |
| [20:06:17] | _Zaphod_: | of course those ever so wonderful ION boards have it. :) |
| [20:06:33] | wagnerrp: | they just dont have much CPU power if you need any |
| [20:06:57] | _Zaphod_: | and the absolute cheapest nvidia card with hdmi works, right? |
| [20:07:09] | wagnerrp: | the 210, yes |
| [20:07:47] | JEDIDIAH__: | you could even get a lesser card (than a 210). |
| [20:08:27] | _Zaphod_: | just that unless the card has an actual hdmi port on it, you don't get audio over it, right? |
| [20:09:10] | _Zaphod_: | i jsut thought that if the adapter came with the motherboar,d that meant that it DID carry audio on the pins, much liek dvi to vga adapters mean the vga signal is passed thru. |
| [20:09:48] | JEDIDIAH__: | ...hard to say about that sort of thing. |
| [20:10:18] | JEDIDIAH__: | make sure your version of ALSA is as current as possible. older versions don't support the HDMI passthru on newer cards. |
| [20:10:42] | wagnerrp: | JEDIDIAH__: but with their age, the lesser cards are going back up in price |
| [20:10:53] | wagnerrp: | you can fairly commonly find a GT210 on newegg for $25 or less |
| [20:11:01] | _Zaphod_: | well is that card newer than ion 2? |
| [20:11:04] | wagnerrp: | the older 8400s are becoming less common |
| [20:11:09] | wagnerrp: | same generation |
| [20:11:14] | _Zaphod_: | because i had that working. |
| [20:11:18] | wagnerrp: | somewhat lesser powered |
| [20:11:36] | _Zaphod_: | though it took some tweaking. |
| [20:12:12] | adubz: | wow found a ghetto fix....but it works channel to a channel that has no sound |
| [20:12:21] | adubz: | and then exit viola no buzzing |
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| [20:12:46] | JEDIDIAH__: | I have a 218 (ION2 mebbe) that required an ALSA update for Ubuntu 10.04 before it showed up as an HDMI passhtru device. |
| [20:13:01] | _Zaphod_: | is it safe to say that all modern onboard nics are supported in linux? |
| [20:13:08] | justinh: | nope |
| [20:13:18] | justinh: | it's safer to check first |
| [20:13:50] | _Zaphod_: | my experience is they are usually realtek. |
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| [20:14:28] | balancer: | hello |
| [20:14:58] | balancer: | is it possible, to use mythtv to stream signal from more than one analog video card without hardware mpeg encoder |
| [20:14:59] | balancer: | ? |
| [20:15:58] | justinh: | I would not advise that |
| [20:16:13] | justinh: | especially not if the analogue video card has no onboard audio capture |
| [20:16:21] | justinh: | otherwise you will need a soundcard for every tuner |
| [20:16:23] | adubz: | thanks to everyone in here i see you guys in here helping the opensource community grow eg wagnerrp justinh and others KEEP IT UP!! |
| [20:16:34] | _Zaphod_: | what socket are those cheap amd dual cores? am3?am2+ |
| [20:16:49] | justinh: | adubz: just pointing out the facts trying to make people listen |
| [20:16:52] | adubz: | im out and done ranting my ghetto fix and turning the channel to channel 96 and then exiting i have no buzzing and is good enuff for me |
| [20:17:19] | justinh: | adubz: and did you change any settings in mythtv to fix it? No, then it wasn't a mythtv problem :D |
| [20:17:31] | adubz: | its good though to help if i had more time i would contribute as well unfortunately i do not |
| [20:17:33] | JEDIDIAH__: | just see what they have on newegg zaph |
| [20:17:40] | wagnerrp: | you can only buy AM3 processors these days |
| [20:17:46] | JEDIDIAH__: | ...or a google search. |
| [20:17:47] | wagnerrp: | but they should work on any AM2+ board |
| [20:17:48] | adubz: | oh hush i believe it is an alsa/myth problem together |
| [20:17:58] | balancer: | justinh the soundcard problem i could solve with usb soundcards |
| [20:18:04] | justinh: | adubz: IF YOU DID NOT CHANGE A MYTHTV SETTING IT IS NOT A MYTHTV PROBLEM |
| [20:18:23] | _Zaphod_: | ok. |
| [20:18:29] | justinh: | you will take that as a fact or you will burn in hell. Muhahahha |
| [20:18:37] | justinh: | balancer: I still would not recommend it |
| [20:18:59] | balancer: | why? |
| [20:19:02] | adubz: | oh quit swinging on myths ballz already its a myth/alsa issue together seeing that i can exit anything else and it simply doesnt act as myth does |
| [20:19:08] | adubz: | its quirky man bottom line |
| [20:19:24] | adubz: | anyway im not going to argue that IT IS STILL MYTH coupled with other factors |
| [20:19:33] | _Zaphod_: | omg. a motherboard that doesn't indetify the onboard vidoe in it's official spec?!?! |
| [20:19:34] | justinh: | adubz: did you change a setting? NO. then it's NOT mythtv |
| [20:19:37] | adubz: | im going to enjoy having to channel to channel 96 then exiting to avoid buzzing |
| [20:19:38] | adubz: | ;) |
| [20:19:50] | adubz: | oh but i did |
| [20:19:54] | adubz: | i have to change to channel 96 |
| [20:20:00] | justinh: | not a mythtv setting. Idiot |
| [20:20:01] | adubz: | if i exit on say channel 4 |
| [20:20:07] | adubz: | then it buzzes |
| [20:20:10] | adubz: | therefore |
| [20:20:13] | adubz: | now now |
| [20:20:16] | adubz: | all this name calling |
| [20:20:18] | justinh: | IDIOT |
| [20:20:25] | JEDIDIAH__: | guys gotta be real fun on corporate outtage conference calls... |
| [20:20:35] | adubz: | justinh while talented with the myth app your obviously a teenager |
| [20:20:44] | adubz: | bc your acting as one now |
| [20:20:56] | _Zaphod_: | sigh. this whole "the issue MUST be with the software exhibiting the problem" mentality causes lots of trouble. |
| [20:20:58] | uW: | ohhhhhh |
| [20:21:09] | justinh: | I miss dagmar sometimes |
| [20:21:19] | justinh: | now is one of those times |
| [20:21:39] | _Zaphod_: | that's the typical windows approach. everyone modifys their software to workaround, because they can't fix the real problem. |
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| [20:22:41] | _Zaphod_: | only tiem that doesn't happen is when the person who makes the software and their testers can't reproduce the problem. :) |
| [20:23:00] | justinh: | I've seen mythtv take countless reams of crap – for stuff like TV tuner drivers, remote control config issues, alsa drivers.. you name it. Oh if ONLY they made the drivers better. Those mythtv developers. Man, it used to grind my gears something rotten |
| [20:23:24] | ** adubz hugs justinh cheer up man i was there once and all else thanks for the insight although it did not w0rk ** | |
| [20:23:45] | ** adubz loves channel 96 thank you for not having sound, lol ** | |
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| [20:23:53] | justinh: | yes mythtv has peculiarities & bugs and all the rest of it, but when I see it get blamed for stuff that cannot be the fault of anybody connected with the project I seek to correct it |
| [20:24:21] | _Zaphod_: | would this board http://www.frys.com/product/6486212?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG be a godo canidate to addon a video card to? or is it too old? |
| [20:24:35] | justinh: | and FWIW, an unreported problem with any driver, software or whatever.... is likely one that will never be fixed |
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| [20:34:02] | _Zaphod_: | sadly newer amd motherboards seem to have ATI instead. |
| [20:34:13] | _Zaphod_: | and we all now how well THAT works under linux.. |
| [20:34:29] | justinh: | YMMV with ATI |
| [20:34:47] | justinh: | when it does work with their own binary drivers it's tip-top apparently |
| [20:35:04] | _Zaphod_: | i wouldn't try any board with onboard ati unless i know for a fact someone has made the exact model work. |
| [20:35:26] | justinh: | I wouldn't anyway, incase ATI deprecate support for it in the driver |
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| [20:40:30] | justinh: | works now, sure. will it work next week? LOL |
| [20:40:48] | justinh: | or will the magic config file fairies mess it all up when you're not looking? :D |
| [20:41:32] | _Zaphod_: | okay, seems that zotac board DOES have hdmi audio passed thru on the pins, since they have a hdmi audio driver for windows. |
| [20:45:20] | justinh: | it's not passed through on any pins |
| [20:45:30] | justinh: | it's embedded into the video :) |
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| [20:49:54] | _Zaphod_: | oh. well anyway it supposedly works. |
| [20:50:04] | _Zaphod_: | trying to research the wireless on it now. |
| [20:50:38] | justinh: | ah now we come to the wireless for frontends |
| [20:50:41] | justinh: | don't |
| [20:50:53] | justinh: | use wired networking wherever you can. seriously |
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| [20:51:21] | justinh: | if you can't live with occasional disconnects, dropouts, crashes etc.. use wired |
| [20:51:59] | _Zaphod_: | i know wired is better. |
| [20:52:33] | _Zaphod_: | just silly to pay for a wireless if it don't work in linux. apparently a driver does exist for it. |
| [20:53:11] | justinh: | wireless on my laptop 'works' in linux just fine. At like 32kB/sec |
| [20:54:00] | _Zaphod_: | are pesky fcc regulations to blame for the state of linux wireless? |
| [20:54:10] | justinh: | depends who you talk to |
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| [20:54:42] | _Zaphod_: | i know some wireless cards need special linux firmware that stops you from breaking fcc limits to work in linux. |
| [20:54:57] | justinh: | more likely the state of disclosure of hardware information – or rather the lack of it |
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| [20:55:36] | _Zaphod_: | for the one with that board aparently the chipset maker provides a driver. |
| [20:55:38] | justinh: | chipset maker to driver writer: oh no, you can't have a datasheet. legal reasons |
| [20:57:06] | banyan: | hello... I did an update to my F14 and now mythbackend is having troubles with a libnvidia-tls.so wanting to have execstack privs. why would mythbackend need a graphics card lib? and how do I fix that? |
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| [20:59:43] | justinh: | so many sentences here start with 'I did an update and stuff broke'. Beginning to feel like there's some kind of pattern |
| [21:00:40] | justinh: | banyan: sounds strange. never heard the likes of that in here |
| [21:01:18] | banyan: | its the security stuff i want to update but half the time that comes with selinux nastiness. |
| [21:03:53] | JEDIDIAH__: | ...which is why I don't update the distro unless myth is asking for something that doesn't seem to be available otherwise (new qt, new libvdpau, etc( |
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| [21:07:39] | justinh: | heh mythbackend is linked to nvidia stuff |
| [21:09:02] | banyan: | which gives me this selinux whinge: |
| [21:09:19] | justinh: | maybe look into letting libnvidia-tls.so have execstack privs then :) |
| [21:09:38] | banyan: | SELinux is preventing /usr/bin/mythbackend from using the execstac access on a process. |
| [21:10:17] | banyan: | does it actually need it? |
| [21:11:05] | _Zaphod_: | obviously it does... |
| [21:12:28] | justinh: | "The NVIDIA OpenGL driver must be able to map the '/dev/zero' device node |
| [21:12:28] | justinh: | with read, write, and execute privileges in order to function correctly. |
| [21:12:28] | justinh: | The driver needs this ability to allocate executable memory, which is used |
| [21:12:28] | justinh: | for optimizations that require generating code at run-time. Currently, GLX |
| [21:12:33] | justinh: | oops |
| [21:12:39] | justinh: | it's in the nvidia readme anyway |
| [21:12:56] | justinh: | !trout justinh toomuchpaste |
| [21:12:56] | ** MythLogBot slaps justinh with a toomuchpaste trout on behalf of justinh... ** | |
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| [21:13:30] | justinh: | http://www.scribd.com/doc/29844880/NVIDIA-Acc . . . lation-Guide |
| [21:14:06] | banyan: | hah, well I guess the selinux guys and nvidia have different standards re good coding. |
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| [21:14:39] | justinh: | well do you want nvidia drivers to do their thang or not? :-) |
| [21:14:58] | _Zaphod_: | is the backend running x? |
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| [21:15:10] | banyan: | security schmecurity! now is it easy to only allow execstack on one lib? |
| [21:15:13] | justinh: | the risks of a linux box sitting on the back of an internet connected router being pwned are pretty slim, let's face it |
| [21:15:38] | banyan: | the backend is running x. |
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| [21:17:08] | _Zaphod_: | if the backend doesn't need accleration, switching to the open source driver should fix the issue. :) |
| [21:17:10] | _Zaphod_: | or is that the open source driver? |
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| [21:21:22] | justinh: | if the backend doesn't need working video playback... |
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| [21:21:36] | _Zaphod_: | does it need acceleration? |
| [21:22:18] | justinh: | does it need working video playback? :) |
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| [21:25:42] | banyan: | I work out in that room and watch charlie rose episodes lol |
| [21:25:47] | banyan: | so yes. |
| [21:26:09] | banyan: | or daily show as the mood strikes :-) |
| [21:27:10] | banyan: | could the acceleration not be in the open src dvr? |
| [21:28:01] | justinh: | banyan: nope. NDAs, IP, yada yada. Whatever nvidia say, basically |
| [21:28:29] | banyan: | unless someone clean-roomed it. |
| [21:28:55] | justinh: | clean-roomed? |
| [21:29:20] | banyan: | blah. anyway it was easy enough to fix with an execstack -s /usr/bin/mythbackend |
| [21:30:29] | banyan: | yeah, like compaq did with ibm bios, wrote a spec for the calls and threw them over the wall to a team that didnt do the reverse eng. |
| [21:31:24] | justinh: | prolly a bit more complex |
| [21:31:44] | banyan: | likely. |
| [21:32:23] | banyan: | anyone make a decent accel 3d vid card that is all open src? |
| [21:32:46] | _Zaphod_: | i dont' think so. |
| [21:32:53] | _Zaphod_: | the main obstacle is DRM now. |
| [21:33:10] | _Zaphod_: | if you want things to just work, yo uhave to close the card up so you can support DRM. |
| [21:33:31] | _Zaphod_: | if you have the driver source, you can rip DRM stuff easy. |
| [21:34:00] | banyan: | but that bit could be walled off, no? |
| [21:34:20] | justinh: | that'd be as bad as having a binary blob you chuck video into |
| [21:34:22] | _Zaphod_: | nope. you have to protect the entire path. |
| [21:34:23] | justinh: | to some |
| [21:34:36] | _Zaphod_: | to keep it from getting grabbed on it'sway to the screen. |
| [21:35:01] | justinh: | yeah because nobody can rip a bluray disc |
| [21:35:03] | _Zaphod_: | stupid robustness requirements.... |
| [21:35:25] | justinh: | hey btw we all agreed to this when we bought into digital didn't you know? |
| [21:35:43] | banyan: | anyway, i guess it's OT... annoying tho! it amounts to making open src illegal. bawsturds! |
| [21:35:44] | _Zaphod_: | yeah, that's a point, but there are other fomats not so easy. |
| [21:36:26] | _Zaphod_: | without a protected path that withstands access to the source (good luck there) there will never be a licensed blu ray player for linux. |
| [21:36:42] | justinh: | if there was never any piracy we needn't have to worry :) |
| [21:37:17] | ** _Zaphod_ is NOT a fan of drm. ** | |
| [21:37:36] | justinh: | I'm a fan of stuff just working :) |
| [21:37:47] | _Zaphod_: | yeah. that's always nice. |
| [21:37:53] | justinh: | you're not a fan of DRM, don't buy anything using it |
| [21:37:55] | justinh: | EVER |
| [21:38:03] | justinh: | talk people into stopping too |
| [21:38:13] | justinh: | if enough people stopped... |
| [21:38:27] | justinh: | but Joe Public doesn't care, so we're boned. Good eh |
| [21:38:59] | _Zaphod_: | i wasn't the one who bought the blu-ray for testing. |
| [21:39:26] | wagnerrp: | joe public doesnt konw otherwise |
| [21:39:41] | wagnerrp: | just wait until the key update mechanisms prove to not be as robust as they hoped |
| [21:40:54] | wagnerrp: | i need a faster backend |
| [21:41:07] | wagnerrp: | im tired of waiting 4 minutes to try new code |
| [21:42:59] | _Zaphod_: | there are a few reasonable drm schemes out there (steam being the best example probably) |
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| [21:43:59] | wagnerrp: | unless you want to play a valve game and have no interent |
| [21:44:41] | _Zaphod_: | true but at least they make an attempt to give you conveniences in exchange for the restrictions. |
| [21:45:32] | _Zaphod_: | as opposed to, say somethinglike assassins creed 2 for pc... |
| [21:46:32] | _Zaphod_: | epic did have a very reasonable approach for a while. when the game first cam eout it would have protection and require the cd, but then a patch later would officially remove it, but updates asked you to go back and get the CD out. |
| [21:47:29] | wagnerrp: | thats how enlight does their stuff |
| [21:47:37] | wagnerrp: | of course in the mean time, youre stuck with starforce |
| [21:47:46] | _Zaphod_: | star force is horrible. |
| [21:48:05] | _Zaphod_: | backin the day safedisc and securerom weren't that bad. |
| [21:48:12] | wagnerrp: | as i understand it, they had no choice |
| [21:48:16] | wagnerrp: | their publisher demanded it |
| [21:48:43] | _Zaphod_: | star force is practically viral. |
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| [21:51:12] | _Zaphod_: | i miss the days of the commodore c64... |
| [21:51:43] | _Zaphod_: | back then pirates would actualyl fix bugs in the games they cracked. |
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| [21:52:46] | banyan: | heh, well, always great chatting. gotta go back 2 work! thanks. |
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| [21:56:54] | adante: | tgm4883: nah but thanks i'll give it ago |
| [21:59:59] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: thanks for taking care of the release notes as discussed the other night – I took off pretty much after my brief response as I wasn't feeling well, so I didn't see your replies at the time |
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| [22:03:39] | wagnerrp: | i left it unlocked for now, in case you want to make any changes |
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| [22:03:57] | wagnerrp: | i also fixed a couple subversion tags that hadnt been corrected yet |
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| [22:15:16] | iluciv_: | Hi do you have to have a mythtv user account inorder to use mythtv? |
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| [22:16:13] | skd5aner: | yea, saw that... thought I got them all... but :( |
| [22:16:29] | skd5aner: | iluciv_: no, no such thing |
| [22:17:08] | skd5aner: | iluciv_: but you have to have a local account that has all the necessarily permissions related to tuner, sound, and video access |
| [22:17:18] | skd5aner: | root is not recommended |
| [22:19:05] | iluciv_: | cool I think problem I'm having is more the SQL side of things and configuring the Shepherd tv guide, as I think the guide script has default mythtv user account reference. Thanks! I didn't think it needed one just wanted to make sure |
| [22:19:33] | skd5aner: | Not sure what that is, are you in North America? |
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| [22:19:46] | skd5aner: | you will need a SQL account with access |
| [22:19:53] | skd5aner: | many people create one called "mythtv" |
| [22:19:57] | skd5aner: | but you can call it whatever you want |
| [22:20:03] | iluciv_: | no Australia |
| [22:20:47] | skd5aner: | ah, ok... was going to say, in NA, guide data should be grabbed via other more recommended methods, but not sure what the process is for Australia, although I know there are plenty of Australian users |
| [22:20:53] | iluciv_: | yeah a mythtv sql account was made when I installed the mythtv packages (debian squeeze) |
| [22:21:28] | mzb: | shepherd is pretty easy ... and I'm almost certain that it doesn't require to be "mythtv" user |
| [22:21:50] | mzb: | it's also the *only* way to go for EPG in .au |
| [22:22:09] | mzb: | if you've never seen the results before they will amaze you |
| [22:22:47] | mzb: | combine that with fanart and coverart and it's pretty special ;) |
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| [22:24:44] | mzb: | iluciv_: eg: http://www.users.on.net/~marcusbrutus/mythtv/ . . . etv_full.jpg |
| [22:24:44] | iluciv_: | yeah looking forward to it I ran it manually to test last night and it took most of the night to pull down all the data, found the problem the script can't find my msql.txt. file |
| [22:25:25] | iluciv_: | mzb: =) |
| [22:25:33] | mzb: | once it's setup and running, you'll probably find that shepherd runs for about 20mins per day |
| [22:25:45] | mzb: | idea is NOT to let mythtv run it |
| [22:25:52] | mzb: | instead you run it hourly |
| [22:26:12] | mzb: | it knows it's been run once in the last 24hrs, so skips |
| [22:26:28] | iluciv_: | ah really no way to get it to run over night or something |
| [22:26:35] | mzb: | this covers you if/when your internet is down |
| [22:26:36] | iluciv_: | cron job |
| [22:26:38] | mzb: | yeah, sure |
| [22:26:50] | iluciv_: | sweet! |
| [22:26:51] | mzb: | but the cron job is hourly by default |
| [22:27:01] | iluciv_: | ah |
| [22:27:25] | mzb: | iirc shepherd sets this all up for you by default |
| [22:27:49] | mzb: | let me remind you that the data is _comprehensive_ ;)) |
| [22:28:07] | mzb: | and 99.99% accurate (wild guess) |
| [22:28:17] | mzb: | I recommend joining the mailing list |
| [22:28:57] | iluciv_: | oh great there's a mailing list thanks! |
| [22:29:07] | mzb: | there will be other issues like DST if you're not aware ... various things that need to be set in php.ini iirc |
| [22:29:37] | mzb: | ~google whuffy shepherd |
| [22:29:41] | mzb: | meh |
| [22:30:10] | mzb: | you get the idea ;) |
| [22:30:28] | mzb: | also keep in mind that it (and all it's components) are self updating |
| [22:30:37] | iluciv_: | yeah problem is that where shepherd is looking for mysql.txt isn't where it is |
| [22:30:57] | mzb: | that's not the only prog. that looks for mysql.txt ;) |
| [22:31:09] | iluciv_: | so I guess I can just create a symlink where its looking for it? |
| [22:31:11] | mzb: | should be in ~/.mythtv for the user that runs it |
| [22:31:36] | mzb: | but it actually looks in a set of paths |
| [22:31:49] | iluciv_: | lol no it's in /usr/share/mythtv |
| [22:31:59] | mzb: | yeah, not right |
| [22:32:16] | mzb: | ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt or possibly /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt |
| [22:32:27] | mzb: | I recommend the former |
| [22:32:35] | iluciv_: | that's just where the install put it but I did have mysql running before I installed mythtv for apache |
| [22:32:46] | mzb: | k |
| [22:33:38] | iluciv_: | I'll try a sym link to ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt and see what happens lol |
| [22:33:54] | mzb: | might work ... make sure permissions are ok |
| [22:34:20] | mzb: | brb2 ... swapping computers |
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| [22:39:19] | mzb: | k |
| [22:39:27] | mzb: | that's better |
| [22:39:45] | mzb: | let me know if you have issues iluciv_ |
| [22:40:09] | mzb: | I have squeeze + shepherd + mythtv built from source |
| [22:40:22] | mzb: | and ~4–5 yrs of data ;) |
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| [22:47:20] | NewBuntu81: | Hi All. I have a question about IR blasters. If you're testing your IR blaster, an mceusb model, to blast (send to) a Pace DTA named DC50X, would the command be: 1) irsend SEND_ONCE mceusb 1 or 2) irsend SEND_ONCE DC50X 1? |
| [22:49:46] | iluciv_: | mzb: haha nice yep sym link did the trick appears it was in /etc/mythtv/ the other dir was a symlink also lol |
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| [22:59:02] | zzattack`: | i can tune using czap correctly but importing the same channels.conf doesn't seem to work for me. is this still supported on 0.24 fixes? |
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| [23:37:11] | wagnerrp: | mzb: you run it hourly? |
| [23:37:49] | wagnerrp: | zzattack`: EIT cannot be collected by channels imported from a channels.conf |
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| [23:50:10] | mzb: | wagnerrp, yes, it's designed to be called hourly, but only runs once a day |
| [23:50:25] | mzb: | which covers for times that the internet is not available |
| [23:50:33] | mzb: | (for whatever reason) |
| [23:50:48] | mzb: | even if it only happens once a decade it's still a nice way of doing it ;) |
| [23:51:47] | wagnerrp: | how many days in advance do you get data? |
| [23:52:16] | wagnerrp: | i mean i could be out of internet for a week with SD and it wouldnt make a whole lot of difference |
| [23:57:34] | mzb: | 7–8 days is default I think |
| [23:58:38] | mzb: | don't forget it also covers the situation where there might be regular outages that would match a cronjob that only runs once a day |
| [23:59:23] | mzb: | the WAF-- resulting from these events can be quite bad ... so *any* method to reduce the possibility of missing data is a good thing ;)) |
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