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| [00:00:21] | awalls: | Don't count on me,/// |
| [00:01:49] | Beirdo: | holy crap does it ever make a difference when you properly clean the vinyl before playback |
| [00:03:25] | wagnerrp: | hey now, engineers really are people |
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| [00:04:08] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: only some of us :) |
| [00:04:57] | ** wagnerrp ignores that comment, and watched flashpoint in low quality garbage cbs ** | |
| [00:05:23] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: I didn't say *which* ones weren't :) You're safe. |
| [00:08:43] | wagnerrp: | at least i think its flashpoint behind all this macroblocking |
| [00:09:12] | sphery: | bad signal or bad encode? |
| [00:09:20] | wagnerrp: | bad encode |
| [00:09:26] | sphery: | wow |
| [00:09:31] | sphery: | I should check mine |
| [00:09:44] | wagnerrp: | no, its a recurring problem on my local cbs |
| [00:09:52] | sphery: | ahhh |
| [00:10:07] | wagnerrp: | i dont know if its the actual affiliate, or the encode the cableco uses for recompression |
| [00:10:39] | wagnerrp: | but theyre always running insufficient bitrate, with an encoder that cant manage that low bitrate |
| [00:10:47] | Beirdo: | I'll check mine later today |
| [00:10:53] | wagnerrp: | they do run CW as their subchannel |
| [00:11:08] | wagnerrp: | but FOX never has any quality problems with THIS as their subchannel |
| [00:11:50] | wagnerrp: | on the contrary, my local FOX affiliate must have god-like encoders, since ive seen them manage good quality as low as 9mbps for 720p |
| [00:14:09] | peteforsyth: | OK, so it looks like the IR setup is not going to happen today. I'm wondering though, in the meantime, is it possible for me to record stuff, if I manually set the channel ahead of time? |
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| [00:33:59] | skd5aner: | I'd put my money on your cable company compressing it to crap |
| [00:34:40] | peteforsyth: | skd5aner: what do you mean? |
| [00:35:03] | peteforsyth: | I get analog signal from the cable box, I can't just record that? |
| [00:35:11] | wagnerrp: | peteforsyth: hes talking to me |
| [00:35:15] | peteforsyth: | ah sorry |
| [00:35:16] | Beirdo: | yay, stupid record is warped |
| [00:35:31] | wagnerrp: | skd5aner: i would believe that, and to be honest ive not tried broadcast in years |
| [00:35:32] | Beirdo: | anyone want an Air Supply frisbee? |
| [00:35:45] | wagnerrp: | but it doesnt make sense why they would have a fantastic encoder for FOX, and an awful one for CBS |
| [00:38:37] | skd5aner: | yea, my guess is that they're tweaking things on a station by station basis, but someone didn't really try to hard for CBS? |
| [00:39:02] | skd5aner: | TWC used to the compress the heck out of almost all my QAM channels – but it's been pretty good for the last year or so |
| [00:40:32] | skd5aner: | I've been pleasantly happy with the PQ lately |
| [00:41:06] | Beirdo: | the Parti Quebecois? |
| [00:41:38] | Beirdo: | or is that Partie.. anyways. :) |
| [00:41:48] | skd5aner: | picture quality ;) |
| [00:41:53] | Beirdo: | seperatist! |
| [00:42:02] | Beirdo: | hehe, yeah, I figured |
| [00:42:47] | skd5aner: | sorry – Crazy Quebecians wanting to ceceed from Canada is usually something I never tend to think/care about |
| [00:43:02] | skd5aner: | er, seceed |
| [00:43:11] | skd5aner: | grr |
| [00:43:14] | skd5aner: | secede :P |
| [00:43:58] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [00:44:20] | wagnerrp: | well there is french canadia, and the rest of canada |
| [00:44:58] | Beirdo: | well, it's worse than that |
| [00:45:11] | Beirdo: | it's Quebec saying THEY are French Canada |
| [00:45:44] | Beirdo: | it would be like New Mexico wanting to secede and join Mexico because they are the "Mexican" part of the USA |
| [00:46:12] | skd5aner: | No, it'd be like Texas saying they want to be a republic again |
| [00:46:14] | Beirdo: | forget all the other French people in Canada... Only Quebec is special. |
| [00:46:28] | skd5aner: | since Quebec doesn't really want to join someone else, like France |
| [00:46:28] | Beirdo: | Texas still IS a republic |
| [00:46:31] | wagnerrp: | well... it would be more like southern california wanting to secede and join mexico because theyre homesick |
| [00:46:46] | kormoc: | Beirdo, not a independent republic like they're trying to do |
| [00:46:56] | Beirdo: | hehe, true |
| [00:47:01] | kormoc: | And Arizona is trying to do the same thing too |
| [00:47:18] | Beirdo: | Arizona would be screwed without the rest of the US |
| [00:47:35] | Beirdo: | we could just turn off their water flow. |
| [00:47:54] | skd5aner: | Also, Texas is not "technically" a republic at all anymore, it only was that prior to joining the union – it is technically a "state" |
| [00:47:57] | wagnerrp: | they dont use well water? |
| [00:48:03] | kormoc: | nah, they're looking to join with Texas and convince New Mexico to also join them |
| [00:48:08] | Beirdo: | they use Columbia River |
| [00:48:25] | skd5aner: | yea, Columbia River is like almost their entire water supply |
| [00:48:37] | wagnerrp: | well i know new mexico gets everything they need out of the aquifer |
| [00:48:39] | Beirdo: | and guess what... that comes from the US :) |
| [00:49:15] | skd5aner: | Same with Nevada and Southern California, they rely on most of their water to come out of Colorado |
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| [00:49:39] | Beirdo: | just my old memory, BTW |
| [00:50:01] | Beirdo: | maybe it was the Colorado |
| [00:50:03] | kormoc: | meh. Water and where it comes from are Facts and we all know those leftists muck with your brain via facts |
| [00:50:07] | Beirdo: | anyways, they are river-bound |
| [00:50:19] | Beirdo: | Columbia's too far north |
| [00:51:27] | kormoc: | And besides, they're not seceding, they're just overthrowing the illegal non-natively born president of the now defunct united states before he marches all the right wingers up in front of death panels |
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| [00:51:57] | Beirdo: | hahaha |
| [00:52:05] | Beirdo: | whatever. whiners |
| [00:52:22] | wagnerrp: | death panels? |
| [00:52:24] | skd5aner: | anyway – PQ = picture quality |
| [00:52:30] | skd5aner: | ;) |
| [00:53:25] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, that's what socialized health care gets us. Panels to decide who lives and who dies. If you're overweight, kill it before it costs us money on heart attacks! If you're depressed, kill it before it tries to commit suicide and ends up in a hospital! |
| [00:53:44] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: death panels are what some right-wing people referred to during the health care debate... saying that people who needed treatment would have to go before a government panel to decide if they needed treatment or not |
| [00:53:49] | skd5aner: | I think Sarah Palin coined the term |
| [00:53:52] | kormoc: | If you're heathy but the red light in your hand turns on, kill it before it gets too old to be productive! |
| [00:53:53] | wagnerrp: | i had visions of something more diabolical and scifi |
| [00:54:14] | skd5aner: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_panel |
| [00:54:29] | wagnerrp: | an osmotic membrane that you are pressed against, where all your precious nutrients are collected for production of foodstuffs |
| [00:54:30] | skd5aner: | what's more diabolical than government run health care? |
| [00:54:39] | skd5aner: | ;) |
| [00:54:39] | Beirdo: | of course, we already have death panels |
| [00:54:48] | Beirdo: | they are called insurance adjusters |
| [00:55:08] | tgm4883: | Beirdo, I think they prefer to be called death squads |
| [00:55:12] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [00:55:23] | skd5aner: | Insurance Adjusters – Team 6 |
| [00:55:43] | kormoc: | skd5aner, Team 6 is a wholely owned trademark of Disney and can't be used without their permission |
| [00:55:53] | Beirdo: | so the only differenc is that the government would do it instead of money-grubbing HMOs.. big deal |
| [00:55:57] | skd5aner: | kormoc: lol |
| [00:56:08] | kormoc: | skd5aner, http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13872 . . . mission.html |
| [00:56:13] | wagnerrp: | a mild mannered office worker by day, at night, he suits up and decides who lives and who dies |
| [00:56:18] | wagnerrp: | he is... the Actuary |
| [00:56:20] | skd5aner: | kormoc: wow |
| [00:56:31] | skd5aner: | lol |
| [00:57:23] | kormoc: | The Rambama is worth clicking on the link IMHO |
| [00:58:11] | wagnerrp: | seals wear punisher shirts? |
| [00:58:46] | kormoc: | I figured it was just a full body tattoo |
| [00:59:14] | wagnerrp: | so those are like tan lines? it turns them lighter? |
| [00:59:36] | kormoc: | nah, they just tattooed the black shirt on too |
| [00:59:38] | wagnerrp: | in the sun, the color fades! |
| [00:59:49] | kormoc: | That's hard core .mil sops! |
| [01:00:08] | wagnerrp: | that must be what happened to Jackson, a freak tanning bed accident |
| [01:00:18] | kormoc: | Ahh, indeed |
| [01:00:39] | kormoc: | Ugh... I don't want to drive to the dc, but alas... |
| [01:00:49] | wagnerrp: | drive to...? |
| [01:00:53] | kormoc: | Data Center |
| [01:00:56] | wagnerrp: | as in clear across the country? |
| [01:00:58] | wagnerrp: | oh |
| [01:00:59] | kormoc: | nsh |
| [01:01:03] | kormoc: | *nah |
| [01:01:16] | Beirdo: | right. AZ is Colorado River... duh :) |
| [01:01:20] | ** Beirdo is getting old ** | |
| [01:01:33] | kormoc: | Someone screwed up the switch configs so I have to go onsite to fix them |
| [01:01:47] | Beirdo: | ewww |
| [01:01:56] | jamesd_: | what happens in jackson stays in jackson |
| [01:02:03] | peteforsyth: | wait a minute, i'm from oregon and i see something very wrong above... |
| [01:02:11] | peteforsyth: | arizona does NOT get columbia water :) |
| [01:02:15] | Beirdo: | kormoc: have a fun drive. |
| [01:02:16] | kormoc: | We were going to switch over on Monday, so why not screw with the switches on a Saturday before the switch? |
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| [01:02:22] | peteforsyth: | ah, i see you corrected..colorado..yes. |
| [01:02:27] | wagnerrp: | peteforsyth: yes yes... colorado |
| [01:02:29] | kormoc: | Beirdo, luckly it's only to Tukwila, but still... |
| [01:02:38] | peteforsyth: | columbia is no good for drinking anyway..nuked |
| [01:02:38] | Beirdo: | peteforsyth: I blame the MANY MANY beers drunk near the Columbia |
| [01:02:39] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [01:02:45] | peteforsyth: | nice :) |
| [01:02:54] | peteforsyth: | beirdo where are you from |
| [01:02:55] | tgm4883: | peteforsyth, you mean you don't want to swim in the columbia? |
| [01:02:57] | Beirdo: | kormoc: could be worse |
| [01:03:00] | tgm4883: | I hear you get a nice red rash |
| [01:03:13] | Beirdo: | peteforsyth: from? near Toronto.. currently living in Seattle |
| [01:03:16] | tgm4883: | <- Salem |
| [01:03:16] | peteforsyth: | please, no. NEAR the columbia, yes please! |
| [01:03:32] | kormoc: | Beirdo, heh... I'm on hour 34 of working straight and likely won't be done for another 4 or so, assuming I can figure out what was all changed... |
| [01:03:36] | peteforsyth: | beirdo was just wondering where you were by the columbia |
| [01:03:39] | Beirdo: | and sure, I'd swim in the columbia |
| [01:03:42] | Beirdo: | just not this end |
| [01:03:49] | peteforsyth: | I lived in portlnand for almost 20 yrs |
| [01:03:51] | wagnerrp: | the columbia is radioactive? |
| [01:04:00] | peteforsyth: | and wrote most of the wikipedia article on the river too :) |
| [01:04:01] | tgm4883: | wagnerrp, not radioactive, pretty bad though |
| [01:04:10] | wagnerrp: | so not 'nuked' |
| [01:04:17] | tgm4883: | not to my knowledge |
| [01:04:18] | Beirdo: | it has many many hydro dams, and one nuke plant right on it |
| [01:04:22] | peteforsyth: | wagnerrp: hanford site is the most toxic nuclear site in north america |
| [01:04:26] | peteforsyth: | leaking into the columbia |
| [01:04:27] | ** kormoc wonders back to the grind ** | |
| [01:04:30] | tgm4883: | but I wouldn't put it past someone to have dumped nuclear waste in there |
| [01:04:55] | peteforsyth: | tgm4883: it's not so much the active nuclear plant (or even trojan, which closed in the 90s) -- |
| [01:05:10] | peteforsyth: | it's the hanford test site, where most of the research for the manhattan project was done |
| [01:05:35] | Beirdo: | but I think I'd swim near the source, other than it being too dang cold |
| [01:05:53] | peteforsyth: | yeah, above hanford would be fine i think |
| [01:05:56] | wagnerrp: | that just means theres not enough radiation being pumped in |
| [01:06:04] | peteforsyth: | might get a lot of agricultural runoff in eastern washington |
| [01:06:14] | peteforsyth: | wagnerrp: haha :) |
| [01:06:14] | Beirdo: | hehe, the source is up near Banff/Jasper somewhere |
| [01:06:29] | peteforsyth: | it's in the selkirk mts |
| [01:06:49] | Beirdo: | Rockies |
| [01:07:09] | peteforsyth: | selkirks are part of the rockies i think |
| [01:07:18] | Beirdo: | ahh, :) Could be |
| [01:07:29] | Beirdo: | they keep trying to redefine crap needlessly |
| [01:07:43] | peteforsyth: | sorry i get sorta geeky about this topic..did a lot of research |
| [01:07:46] | peteforsyth: | hehe |
| [01:08:21] | Beirdo: | and I've seen the headwaters of the Colorado. :) |
| [01:08:22] | peteforsyth: | ah, i see..selkirks are the mts that it bends around |
| [01:08:35] | Beirdo: | and yes, it's bloody cold at the source |
| [01:13:48] | wagnerrp: | can you actually trademark a name before you have a product using that name on the market? |
| [01:14:13] | Beirdo: | don't think so |
| [01:14:38] | Beirdo: | maybe just shortly before, not sure... IANAL :) |
| [01:33:51] | wagnerrp: | anyone ever heard of a DVD disk ID database? |
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| [01:35:30] | Beirdo: | no, but there might be one out there :) |
| [01:35:48] | Beirdo: | that would be super-useful |
| [01:36:25] | wagnerrp: | dumped wild hogs into a drive and came up with some seemingly random text string |
| [01:36:41] | wagnerrp: | typed that into google and the first several pages were torrent links to download the movie |
| [01:36:54] | wagnerrp: | sadly no legitimate site defining what the movie was |
| [01:37:05] | Beirdo: | awww |
| [01:37:17] | Beirdo: | you might be able to look it up on Amazon |
| [01:37:28] | Beirdo: | but whether they have an official API we could use, dunno |
| [01:38:18] | wagnerrp: | actually, i was more hoping for themoviedb |
| [01:38:32] | wagnerrp: | IF dvd ripping comes back, that would be awfully useful |
| [01:39:02] | Beirdo: | yeah, it sure would |
| [01:39:11] | wagnerrp: | there is EAN support already intended for API 2.1 |
| [01:39:15] | Beirdo: | even if it comes back externally |
| [01:41:11] | Beirdo: | Montrose – Paper Money |
| [01:41:13] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [01:41:24] | Beirdo: | Sammy Hagar pre-Van Halen |
| [01:41:34] | Beirdo: | like... way pre- |
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| [01:43:51] | wagnerrp: | oh! there is a mechanism built into themoviedb |
| [01:44:08] | wagnerrp: | it doesnt use the disk title |
| [01:44:16] | wagnerrp: | but it somehow computes some alternate ID |
| [01:44:53] | jams: | wagnerrp- was just going to say that. |
| [01:45:46] | jams: | i think it started out as this igorpartola.com/projects/disciddb |
| [01:46:03] | jams: | then was integrated with themoviedb |
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| [02:29:36] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: http://www.hometheaterinfo.com/dvdlist.htm ? |
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| [02:29:52] | skd5aner: | http://dvdlist.kazart.com/DVDList2.php? |
| [02:30:20] | skd5aner: | ah, nm |
| [02:30:26] | skd5aner: | that doesn't seem to be what you're looking for |
| [02:31:05] | wagnerrp: | yeah, thats the EAN/UPC database i mentioned |
| [02:31:19] | wagnerrp: | scratch that, seems i never mentioned it |
| [02:31:28] | wagnerrp: | i opened it a while back |
| [02:31:31] | wagnerrp: | or tried to |
| [02:31:37] | wagnerrp: | 11MB zip file |
| [02:31:43] | wagnerrp: | uncompressed to 110MB of HTML |
| [02:31:58] | wagnerrp: | uncompressed to 1.5GB of memory consumed by firefox before i gave up and terminated it |
| [02:32:12] | skd5aner: | eh |
| [02:32:15] | skd5aner: | er, "heh" |
| [03:00:19] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: got any suggestions on how to actually pull off this re-ordering of jobs in the queue? |
| [03:00:35] | wagnerrp: | the coding itself is the easy part, its the method im not sure on |
| [03:01:12] | Beirdo: | Hmmm |
| [03:01:26] | wagnerrp: | i cant think of a way to allow it to work if multiple people try to access it at the same time |
| [03:01:33] | Beirdo: | No ideas at the moment. |
| [03:01:44] | wagnerrp: | if i do it relative, 'move X up/down' |
| [03:01:55] | wagnerrp: | that could cause issues if someone else has moved that same item |
| [03:02:40] | wagnerrp: | if i do it absolutely, move to position X, i would have to start storing an integer order in the jobs, which means updating that frequently |
| [03:02:50] | Beirdo: | yeah. |
| [03:02:51] | wagnerrp: | which is the whole reason i didnt want to store order in the database |
| [03:03:06] | wagnerrp: | i could do 'set after job X', but if that job gets deleted in the mean time |
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| [03:03:47] | wagnerrp: | im still thinking that last one is the best solution |
| [03:03:50] | Beirdo: | I think the simplest is to store an actual order, but as you say, it may need often updates |
| [03:04:14] | wagnerrp: | well then i need to add in more locking too |
| [03:04:33] | wagnerrp: | and it would need to be a global lock across all job instances |
| [03:05:29] | wagnerrp: | i could route changes through the job scheduler, and then just have a single order lock in the scheduler |
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| [03:05:50] | Beirdo: | yeah, the changes through the scheduler sounds reasonable |
| [03:06:44] | wagnerrp: | or instead of storing it, just have a method that pulls the index from the list in the scheduler |
| [03:07:05] | Beirdo: | that could do, but what if you shut down/restart the scheduler? |
| [03:07:17] | wagnerrp: | its lost |
| [03:07:26] | Beirdo: | be nice for order changes to be stored so they aren't lost |
| [03:07:31] | wagnerrp: | and it reverts to the order in which they were stored in the database |
| [03:07:35] | Beirdo: | you know people will bitch and moan otherwise |
| [03:07:47] | wagnerrp: | yeah well... dont shut down your master backend |
| [03:07:58] | Beirdo: | that's not a realistic option :) |
| [03:08:11] | wagnerrp: | hey, im /adding/ a new option |
| [03:08:16] | wagnerrp: | you couldnt do this before |
| [03:08:18] | Beirdo: | hehe, I know |
| [03:08:48] | wagnerrp: | although technically, you could fudge it with the scheduled runtime |
| [03:08:54] | Beirdo: | you could still route it through the job scheduler, which can then periodically update the db order |
| [03:08:57] | wagnerrp: | er no... insertion time |
| [03:09:10] | wagnerrp: | yeah, i could |
| [03:09:17] | wagnerrp: | but thats an awfully messy query |
| [03:09:31] | ** Beirdo is ripping the single of "Puff the Magic Dragon" ** | |
| [03:09:35] | wagnerrp: | id love not to have to do that |
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| [03:09:59] | wagnerrp: | again, the whole purpose of leaving that stuff out of the database |
| [03:11:11] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [03:11:45] | Beirdo: | I guess it's just really a tradeoff of user expectations of "I set it, you remember it" and ease of implementation |
| [03:11:59] | Captain_Murdoch: | order doesn't have to be 1-X, it can be Y-Z, so you only have to update the order field in the DB when you change the order. new jobs go in as MaxCurrentOrderValue + 1. That max is kept in memory in the master if all jobs are added through the master. |
| [03:12:42] | Captain_Murdoch: | ie, if you use 1-X, you have to update the order fields every time a job runs/complets. if you use Y-Z (ie, non 1 or 0 based), then you don't have to update unless you change the ordering. |
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| [03:12:53] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [03:13:10] | Beirdo: | it would be 0 or 1 based for the first job ever, potentially, and not after |
| [03:13:42] | Captain_Murdoch: | yep. |
| [03:13:49] | Captain_Murdoch: | almost like an identity field. |
| [03:13:53] | wagnerrp: | right, but i would still have to run a query on each job that needed to be altered during a change |
| [03:13:58] | Beirdo: | it takes this turntable 10s to start up a 45 single :) |
| [03:14:12] | Beirdo: | not necessarily |
| [03:14:12] | Captain_Murdoch: | query or update? |
| [03:14:15] | wagnerrp: | i was hoping to just be able to shift a value in a QList |
| [03:14:20] | wagnerrp: | update |
| [03:14:21] | Beirdo: | update id = id + 1 |
| [03:14:27] | Beirdo: | where id >= blah |
| [03:14:35] | Beirdo: | then insert the new one at blah |
| [03:14:44] | wagnerrp: | yeah... didnt think about that |
| [03:14:46] | Beirdo: | just one query to change em all |
| [03:14:51] | wagnerrp: | i was just thinking about absolute changes |
| [03:16:13] | Beirdo: | mmm, I need to rip more Peter, Paul and Mary |
| [03:16:27] | Beirdo: | this would be useful on a stressful workday :) |
| [03:16:49] | wagnerrp: | was never much one for folk |
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| [03:17:36] | Beirdo: | hehe, my dad sang folk music in the 60s in university |
| [03:17:52] | Beirdo: | met Peter, Paul & Mary, actually... |
| [03:18:11] | Beirdo: | I wonder sometimes what else he did in the 60s... but I don't ask such silly questions |
| [03:18:29] | wagnerrp: | lots of LDS |
| [03:18:54] | Beirdo: | I know he used to smoke a pipe |
| [03:19:17] | wagnerrp: | (that wasnt a typo) |
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| [03:19:57] | Beirdo: | I don't think he was into Mormons :) |
| [03:20:05] | wagnerrp: | mormons? |
| [03:20:13] | wagnerrp: | *hint**hint* pointy ears |
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| [03:21:05] | wagnerrp: | bah |
| [03:22:30] | Beirdo: | sorry, was lookin at the recording |
| [03:22:35] | wagnerrp: | http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0092007/quotes?qt=qt0444208 |
| [03:22:45] | Beirdo: | LDS -> Latter Day Saints -> Mormons :) |
| [03:22:52] | Beirdo: | that's the path my brain followed |
| [03:23:36] | wagnerrp: | the link! follow the link! |
| [03:23:45] | Beirdo: | yeah... hehe |
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| [03:45:36] | Elv13: | How can I increase the "playback delay"? After upgrading, I cant watch live tv while the card work fine in TvTiem and other apps |
| [03:45:48] | Elv13: | some forums say to increase that, but dont tell how |
| [03:49:53] | wagnerrp: | playback delay? |
| [03:49:59] | ** Beirdo curses at musicbrainz ** | |
| [03:50:07] | wagnerrp: | tvtime does not function like mythtv in any way |
| [03:50:12] | [R]: | Beirdo: i heart mb.. why the hostility? |
| [03:50:22] | Beirdo: | they wait until I finish entering all information... and THEN tell me the database is down for all edits |
| [03:50:23] | wagnerrp: | for that matter, any card that can be used with tvtime should not be used with mythtv |
| [03:50:31] | [R]: | lol |
| [03:50:32] | Beirdo: | as they are about to do a new release |
| [03:50:44] | Beirdo: | why the heck couldn't they say it before I went to all the trouble? |
| [03:51:53] | Elv13: | wagnerrp: It have worked for years, yea its analog, so what, its what I got around here, send a petition to my cable provider if you want it to switch to digital or please, just help me |
| [03:52:12] | wagnerrp: | analog is fine, its framegrabbers that are garbage for recording |
| [03:52:20] | wagnerrp: | and franegrabbers are the only type of card that tvtime works with |
| [03:52:38] | Elv13: | got two saa7134 |
| [03:52:40] | wagnerrp: | anyway, what is this 'playback delay' you speak of? |
| [03:52:43] | [R]: | i thought tvtime supported dvb |
| [03:52:54] | wagnerrp: | [R]: nope, framegrabbers only |
| [03:53:05] | Elv13: | MythTV used to work fine, but since I upgraded, it timeout before the card start |
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| [03:53:20] | [R]: | do they even develop tvtime anymore? |
| [03:53:32] | Elv13: | I think I need to increase to ammount of second before it shut down |
| [03:53:52] | wagnerrp: | you mean it takes too long for your card to tune and begin recording? |
| [03:54:01] | Elv13: | apparently |
| [03:54:11] | Elv13: | its longer than before, probably a regression in the dirver |
| [03:54:52] | Elv13: | but TVtime, as garbage as it is, do start after 15–20 second |
| [03:55:05] | Elv13: | mythtv log say it gave up after 10 |
| [03:55:51] | wagnerrp: | tuning delays should be configurable in the card setup in mythtv-setup |
| [03:56:03] | wagnerrp: | but tvtime should start playback within half a second |
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| [03:56:15] | wagnerrp: | anything more than a few seconds should be considered broken |
| [03:56:20] | Elv13: | I dont have delay settings in mythtv-setup |
| [03:56:32] | wagnerrp: | by all accounts, mythtv reporting a tuning failure after 10 seconds is the proper behavior |
| [03:56:50] | Elv13: | Video device, proped info, VBI device, Audio device, force audio sampling, default inout |
| [03:56:59] | Elv13: | its all the options |
| [03:58:10] | Elv13: | is there anything I can do? |
| [03:58:11] | wagnerrp: | maybe in the input connections? |
| [03:58:43] | Elv13: | no... |
| [03:59:09] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp, He's using an analog tuner on a version too old to have timeout settings for analog devices |
| [03:59:30] | Elv13: | iamlindoro: I use 0.24 |
| [03:59:53] | iamlindoro: | Elv13, The HD-PVR is the only analog device with tuning timeout settings |
| [04:00:10] | Elv13: | My signal is not HD |
| [04:00:18] | iamlindoro: | irrelevant |
| [04:00:22] | iamlindoro: | your tuner is also not the HD-PVR |
| [04:00:32] | Elv13: | right |
| [04:00:33] | iamlindoro: | which, as previously mentioned, is the only analog device with tuning timeout settings |
| [04:01:07] | Elv13: | ok, then if it worked with older versions, does I have to reinstall one or is there any other way? |
| [04:01:29] | iamlindoro: | No. There is no version of MythTV which will have tuning timeouts for a framgrabber |
| [04:01:34] | iamlindoro: | You need to fix your driver |
| [04:01:43] | iamlindoro: | or get a modern capture device |
| [04:01:44] | Elv13: | If ti worked, I wold be happy, my tuner card image quility is quite good after all, when it work... |
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| [04:18:57] | wagnerrp: | sphery: this version output in the tickets is really more nuisance than worth |
| [04:24:07] | Elv13: | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mythtv/+bug/717717 |
| [04:25:45] | wagnerrp: | yes, V4L1 was finally removed in 2.6.38 |
| [04:25:58] | Elv13: | my card is v4l2 |
| [04:26:14] | wagnerrp: | mythtv still makes some V4L1 calls |
| [04:26:27] | Elv13: | but it look like it caused problems with the packging (./configure disabled v4l) |
| [04:26:28] | wagnerrp: | so if those calls are not available, V4L support is disabled by configure |
| [04:26:48] | Elv13: | so its why live tv does not work for me? |
| [04:27:06] | wagnerrp: | if you are trying to use 2.6.38 on an analog tuner, yes |
| [04:27:17] | Elv13: | so why does tvtime work? |
| [04:27:25] | iamlindoro: | But if you are using Ubuntu/mythbuntu packages, it has nothing to do with it |
| [04:27:45] | iamlindoro: | Since they package myth with a half-broken patch that allows v4l devices to work |
| [04:28:21] | tgm4883: | iamlindoro, patches welcome ;) |
| [04:28:39] | iamlindoro: | tgm4883, why would I patch mythbuntu :P |
| [04:28:48] | iamlindoro: | I have the keys to the real thing ;) |
| [04:29:06] | tgm4883: | iamlindoro, so fix it then |
| [04:29:11] | wagnerrp: | speaking of keys to the real thing, what are your thoughts on 9774? |
| [04:29:18] | wagnerrp: | i really want to close it.. |
| [04:29:23] | iamlindoro: | tgm4883, rather, mythbuntu is welcome to fix the mistakes in their patch that break configuration of HD-PVR devices so that we can actually consider applying it ;) |
| [04:29:31] | iamlindoro: | tgm4883, We will. Eventually. |
| [04:30:16] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp, Why? |
| [04:30:19] | tgm4883: | iamlindoro, I'd have to look at the latest news on that patch |
| [04:30:58] | wagnerrp: | i want to say 'broken ATI driver' |
| [04:31:07] | wagnerrp: | but i have no proof for that |
| [04:31:40] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp, Mark is likely to be the one to know whether that's true-- I seem to recall him saying in the last week that he knew about it, and hadn't yet had time to fix it |
| [04:32:16] | Elv13: | wagnerrp: 9774 is fixed |
| [04:32:26] | iamlindoro: | Elv13, no, it's not. |
| [04:32:27] | Elv13: | wagnerrp: the problem is gone |
| [04:32:31] | Elv13: | I had it |
| [04:32:32] | wagnerrp: | well... im at least going to reset the priority/severity |
| [04:32:44] | Elv13: | an updated fixed it |
| [04:33:30] | Elv13: | at least for my much older card, it work once again |
| [04:33:55] | Elv13: | but I had the issue with fall 2010 distros, both fedora and mythbuntu |
| [04:35:27] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp, That's probably appropriate |
| [04:35:37] | tgm4883: | Elv13, are you on 10.10 or 11.04? |
| [04:36:26] | Elv13: | I upgrade from release to release since 8.10. I had problem in 10.10, but its gone with recent 11.04 |
| [04:36:49] | tgm4883: | Elv13, are you using mythbuntu-repos? |
| [04:37:00] | Elv13: | but it may not be the same bug, I use radeon, not prop |
| [04:37:31] | Elv13: | however, I had the problem and had to switch to tty as explained too |
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| [05:08:53] | skd5aner: | Beirdo: still around? |
| [05:09:43] | Beirdo: | yup |
| [05:09:51] | skd5aner: | Beirdo: Musicbrainz is doing a MASSIVE conversion tonight and tomorrow, they've been planning and working on it for 5 years, so you might want to cut them a break this one time ;) |
| [05:09:58] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [05:10:13] | skd5aner: | just coincidental timing on your part |
| [05:10:19] | Beirdo: | but... all they had to do is on the FIRST edit page say that non-auto-edits are rejected |
| [05:10:26] | Beirdo: | not on the *final* edit page |
| [05:10:31] | wagnerrp: | skd5aner: oh come on... theyve been screwing around with it for the last five years and decide just now to go through with it? |
| [05:10:47] | wagnerrp: | i bet they saw beirdo log in, and decided do do it right now |
| [05:11:11] | skd5aner: | oh, that's true... they did implement the Beirdo filter policy last weekend |
| [05:11:26] | skd5aner: | http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/Preparing_For_NGS |
| [05:12:02] | skd5aner: | also, the very first sentance on their main page – "We're preparing for our next release! Adding anything but auto-edits has been disabled! If you attempt to submit an edit that will not be an auto-edit, this edit will be NOT entered into the system! Please vote on existing edits instead — we must close all open edits by May 16! " |
| [05:12:15] | Beirdo: | yeah, upgrades are great and all, I'm not concerned about that |
| [05:12:29] | Beirdo: | it isn't everywhere it should be ;) |
| [05:12:32] | skd5aner: | that said, I just read about it last week :) |
| [05:12:41] | Beirdo: | I went in from an artist search to add a single release |
| [05:12:55] | Beirdo: | nothing mentioned until final submission |
| [05:13:06] | skd5aner: | I see – so you went through the effort only for you to discover at submission it was futile |
| [05:13:08] | Beirdo: | :) But I'll do it after Monday |
| [05:13:41] | skd5aner: | I know plenty of people who don't like the musicbrainz ui and site, I actually love it – but I saw a preview of the next-gen site, and I really kind of hate it |
| [05:14:14] | Beirdo: | now ripping... Chicago – Chicago VI |
| [05:14:46] | Beirdo: | I wish the Chicago albums were MARKED as to which one they are. but at least we have wikipedia to look them up now :) |
| [05:14:48] | skd5aner: | So, I'm not really looking forward to what's coming unfortunately – I think it really dumbs things down, hides things that shouldn't be hidden, and makes it difficult to see the valuable information that MB provided over other similiar types of metadata sites |
| [05:15:26] | wagnerrp: | chicago VI? sounds like led zeppelin |
| [05:15:55] | Beirdo: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_discography |
| [05:15:57] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [05:16:02] | Beirdo: | check that out. |
| [05:16:18] | wagnerrp: | crap thats a lot of albums |
| [05:16:26] | Beirdo: | Chicago 4 is missing as it's a 4-LP box set concert recording |
| [05:16:36] | Beirdo: | which is in my pile here to get ripped eventually |
| [05:16:53] | Beirdo: | aka Chicago at Carnegie Hall |
| [05:17:12] | wagnerrp: | i initially read the last one as 'stone of syphilis' |
| [05:17:15] | wagnerrp: | wait.. what...? |
| [05:17:25] | Beirdo: | heheh |
| [05:18:44] | Beirdo: | the crazy thing is... nearly all of em went platinum |
| [05:19:34] | wagnerrp: | guitar tech Don Johnson? |
| [05:20:21] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [05:20:22] | rileyp: | If var/lib/mythtv/recodings isnt being used do I need to share the new rec dir with nfs? |
| [05:20:54] | wagnerrp: | you need to share the recording dir on any backend that needs write access to it |
| [05:21:05] | wagnerrp: | everything else will stream over mythproto |
| [05:21:47] | rileyp: | so i dont need to share it with nfs as mythproto is used for myth frontends |
| [05:22:04] | wagnerrp: | correct |
| [05:22:13] | rileyp: | Does myth do this for upnp? |
| [05:22:22] | wagnerrp: | do what for upnp? |
| [05:22:52] | rileyp: | in a default mythbuntu install the /var/lib/mythtv/recordings dir is shared with nfs |
| [05:23:09] | wagnerrp: | ok |
| [05:23:37] | wagnerrp: | what does nfs have to do with upnp? |
| [05:23:44] | Beirdo: | master uses the storage groups for video playback |
| [05:24:22] | Beirdo: | 0.24 uses a static directory map for video and storage groups for recordings |
| [05:24:36] | Beirdo: | IIRC |
| [05:25:01] | wagnerrp: | video and music must be accessible by the master backend by the local filesystem for upnp to work |
| [05:25:18] | wagnerrp: | while recordings will be streamed from remote backends, and back out over upnp |
| [05:25:32] | wagnerrp: | upnp has nothing to do with mythprotocol or nfs |
| [05:25:42] | wagnerrp: | it is its own protocol, implemented on http |
| [05:25:44] | rileyp: | ok thanks for that |
| [05:25:56] | Beirdo: | hahah, this song... Jenny. written to the dog. |
| [05:26:29] | Beirdo: | "You can run and bark and play your whole life through... and you can chase the cats around..." |
| [05:26:32] | Beirdo: | hheh |
| [05:30:52] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: should paused jobs be bumped to the back of the queue when resumed? |
| [05:31:08] | wagnerrp: | nevermind |
| [05:31:14] | Beirdo: | I wouldn't think so |
| [05:31:15] | wagnerrp: | a job cant be paused until it is started |
| [05:31:23] | wagnerrp: | at which point it no longer needs a place in the queue |
| [05:31:48] | wagnerrp: | i wonder if maybe there should be a new status for that |
| [05:31:50] | Beirdo: | it might need one again if paused... should we ever make jobs be restartable partway run |
| [05:36:33] | wagnerrp: | in the event of restarting a job, i would still say to stuff it at the back of the queue |
| [05:36:45] | wagnerrp: | it can later be manually put back in front if desired |
| [05:37:39] | Beirdo: | sure if hat makes it easy :) |
| [05:37:59] | wagnerrp: | not a matter of easy, i just think thats the proper thing to do |
| [05:38:30] | wagnerrp: | restarted, meaning the old job is terminated and youre running it again from scratch |
| [05:38:34] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [05:38:46] | Beirdo: | we don't resume. You're right. to the end of the line with you! |
| [05:42:24] | Beirdo: | OK, this sucks |
| [05:42:51] | Beirdo: | apparently, 9 of Chicago's first 10 albums were available in Quadraphonic sound |
| [05:43:03] | Beirdo: | now I need to go and find THOSE too :) |
| [05:44:41] | wagnerrp: | how does that even work? |
| [05:44:56] | wagnerrp: | i mean records were a physical storage medium |
| [05:45:13] | Beirdo: | either 4-track (on an 8-track for instance) or matrix encoded |
| [05:45:20] | wagnerrp: | the vibrations are stored directly into the vinyl |
| [05:45:28] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [05:45:31] | wagnerrp: | can you actually have four separate pickups spaced properly? |
| [05:45:44] | Beirdo: | I'm not sure how they did it, but it sounds like |
| [05:45:58] | Beirdo: | matrix encoding would be much like Pro-Logic, I would think |
| [05:46:50] | Beirdo: | ,10,11,13,14,16,17,20,21,23,27,29,31,32,33,34,35,37,38,40,43, |
| [05:46:50] | Beirdo: | [#mythtv-users] |
| [05:46:53] | Beirdo: | nooo |
| [05:47:00] | Beirdo: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:QuadraDisk.jpg |
| [05:47:02] | Beirdo: | there |
| [05:47:17] | Beirdo: | seems they did 4 discrete channels on vinyl as an option. |
| [05:47:53] | Beirdo: | and when played on a stereo setup, it mixed down? |
| [05:48:21] | ** Beirdo goes back to reading up on wikipedia :) ** | |
| [05:48:31] | Beirdo: | under Quadraphonic |
| [05:49:03] | Beirdo: | OMG |
| [05:49:13] | Beirdo: | 30kHz subchannel on the groove wall? |
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| [05:50:44] | Beirdo: | OK, you can mock me to your heart's content if I buy reel-to-reel to get Quad :) |
| [05:50:57] | wagnerrp: | thats getting a bit complicated now |
| [05:51:09] | wagnerrp: | you need some real hardware to play back quadradisc |
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| [05:51:15] | Beirdo: | yeah, seems so :) |
| [05:51:37] | wagnerrp: | multiple pickups with difference encoding |
| [05:51:44] | Beirdo: | if I see one in the bargain bin, I'm buying it though |
| [05:51:51] | Beirdo: | then I'll figure out what to do with it |
| [05:51:52] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [05:52:39] | Beirdo: | SQ *is* Pro-Logic |
| [05:52:58] | Beirdo: | well, slightly different weightings, but still |
| [05:53:53] | Beirdo: | still, I find it intriguing... I'd buy the disc at least |
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| [06:04:25] | Beirdo: | nice /leave essay. THWAP! |
| [06:04:58] | wagnerrp: | foolish rezbit, humans dont have instinct |
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| [06:06:37] | wagnerrp: | the only instincts we have are grabbing and sucking |
| [06:06:45] | wagnerrp: | everything else is a learned response |
| [06:06:56] | Beirdo: | and killing each other seems to be instinctual almost |
| [06:07:15] | Beirdo: | I guess that could be learned :) |
| [06:08:49] | wagnerrp: | im going to say learned |
| [06:09:07] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [06:09:11] | Beirdo: | fair enough |
| [06:09:49] | Beirdo: | now for Chicago (self-titled) AKA Chicago II |
| [06:09:51] | wagnerrp: | you might have an argument for self defense |
| [06:10:14] | wagnerrp: | but killing for personal gain is definitely a learned response |
| [06:12:12] | Beirdo: | true |
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| [06:25:58] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: im having order be from 0-n, being configured on demand whenever any job is queued, dispatched to a jobqueue, or re-ordered |
| [06:26:21] | wagnerrp: | its not preserved for now |
| [06:26:28] | wagnerrp: | but it should at least remain consistent |
| [06:26:39] | Beirdo: | cool, we'll see how that work out |
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| [06:26:57] | wagnerrp: | it locks the whole job list when updating, so only one reorder can happen at a time |
| [06:26:59] | Beirdo: | ssssssss stupid sticky key |
| [06:27:10] | Beirdo: | cool |
| [06:27:30] | wagnerrp: | AJAX has a mechanism by which a server can push an unsolicited event to a client, doesnt it? |
| [06:27:37] | wagnerrp: | the client stays connected to receive it? |
| [06:28:04] | wagnerrp: | im wondering if were set up to allow that |
| [06:28:07] | Beirdo: | I think so, but I'm not all that up on it :) |
| [06:28:10] | wagnerrp: | or if i would need to run an update loop client side |
| [06:28:26] | wagnerrp: | something to poll every 10s or so for new status |
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| [06:33:31] | Beirdo: | OK, I know what I'll do if I find a Quad LP in the bargain bin |
| [06:33:59] | Beirdo: | take it home, very carefully clean, rip it at the highest bitrate I can... then sell it on Ebay :) |
| [06:34:36] | Beirdo: | Chicago VI Quadraphonic: $59.99 on ebay |
| [06:35:43] | bumblebeebat: | Hey Guys, I was wondering if someone could jog my memory. I had Mythmusic setup years ago. I have not installed it the last few years since I was waiting for mythmusic to be shared via storage groups. Anyway, Wife was harping that she can't even listen to music. I got motivated and set things up. I just cant remember how (or if) I can get Mythmusic to scan a directory and its sub-directories. |
| [06:36:36] | Beirdo: | it's in the settings menu |
| [06:36:46] | Beirdo: | I had to ask the other day myself :) |
| [06:37:02] | bumblebeebat: | hahaha, thanks Beirdo |
| [06:37:08] | Beirdo: | no problem |
| [06:37:31] | bumblebeebat: | It is going to be awesome to have music back |
| [06:37:49] | Beirdo: | Oooh, looks like they used SQ |
| [06:38:14] | Beirdo: | but I'm NOT paying $60-$100 for a quadraphonic LP, sorry. |
| [06:40:02] | Beirdo: | Pink Floyd – Dark Side... Quad for $30 |
| [06:42:06] | bumblebeebat: | Do you mean to get them in by "import files" |
| [06:42:22] | Beirdo: | I think there's a scan in there somewhere |
| [06:42:55] | bumblebeebat: | is that the best way to get them it, or would it be better to point it at the directory and just try to scan it |
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| [06:54:01] | bumblebeebat: | I think I will try the whole "import files" route and let it build the directory in a more structured way |
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| [10:28:26] | lyricnz: | how to assign priority to some capture cards? |
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| [10:29:58] | lyricnz: | there is "input priorty" on the input-connections screen in mythtvsetup. is that it? is higher or lower number the highest priority? |
| [10:34:57] | mycosys: | higher |
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| [10:58:18] | ** lyricnz gets totally the sh*ts with his mythbox. Non stop PID 0x80 discontinuity detected ** | |
| [10:58:38] | lyricnz: | Even on the old tuner that worked fine for ages. |
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| [11:52:43] | lyricnz: | goddamn it. replaced ALL the hardware, using my frontend HW, still same problem |
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| [11:57:30] | dec: | is it possible to install a backend from a new frontend? |
| [11:57:50] | dec: | mythtv-setup segfaults on the backend, so I'd like to run it on the frontend and configure the backend remotely... |
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| [12:08:12] | lyricnz: | why does it segfault? |
| [12:14:31] | dec: | lyricnz: I'm not sure. It happens in Qt's Qvariant somewhere. I'm installing the debuginfo bits now so I can debug it better, but I'm not much of a programmer... |
| [12:15:43] | dec: | When running mythtv-setup, the first screen comes up for me to select a country + language, but the language box is empty. I assume this has something to do with the issue. |
| [12:15:57] | lyricnz: | Try: -O ThemePainter=qt |
| [12:16:35] | lyricnz: | I run mythtvsetup remotely from another machine, using X-over-ssh |
| [12:17:21] | dec: | I had the same problem with X-over-ssh.. |
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| [12:18:55] | dec: | lyricnz: I'm trying -O ThemePainter=qt now, but looking at the console output from previous attempts, it looks like I'm already using the qt painter... |
| [12:19:05] | dec: | yep. same problem. |
| [12:20:38] | dec: | here's the stack trace: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=X04yB0Kz |
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| [12:29:12] | sphery: | dec: are you running 0.24-fixes, versus the 0.24 release tarball (-fixes has >260 bug fixes in it over the release tarball) |
| [12:30:02] | dec: | sphery: I'm just using a 0.24 RPM... I don't know what it was built on, but I'd assume the 0.24 release. |
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| [12:31:06] | dec: | sphery: ah, here. the RPM is built from 0.24-fixes rev 464fa28373 |
| [12:32:46] | sphery: | hmmm, that's Mar 24 timeframe, so I'd think it should have most of the most-important fixes |
| [12:33:23] | dec: | how do I launch with the opengl painter? |
| [12:33:36] | sphery: | -O ThemePainter=opengl |
| [12:33:38] | sphery: | but that won't help |
| [12:33:42] | dec: | I tried -O ThemePainter=gl and -O ThemePainter=OpenGL, but it still started the Qt painter.. |
| [12:33:45] | dec: | oh. |
| [12:34:08] | dec: | sphery: can you see where the issue is, from the stacktrace? |
| [12:34:38] | sphery: | it's actually segfaulting? |
| [12:34:41] | dec: | yes. |
| [12:34:46] | sphery: | seems similar to http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/7097 |
| [12:35:00] | dec: | but that was just in the MythWeather plugin? |
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| [12:35:27] | sphery: | I'd say get a full backtrace as described at http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Debugging and create a ticket |
| [12:35:30] | dec: | ooh. I started it with 'opengl' ThemePainter, which gave me some garbage on the language and country selection screen, but I mashed "Escape" a few times and it skipped me through to the next step with working graphics. |
| [12:35:38] | sphery: | no, the problem is actually in MythUI |
| [12:35:59] | sphery: | so anything that uses graphics could be affected |
| [12:41:13] | dec: | Well, I've managed to get it into a workable state, but it wasn't pretty. |
| [12:42:00] | dec: | I used opengl which had a bunch of nasty graphic distortion (but didn't segfault), and managed to get the initial database deployed. I've now re-started mythtv-setup with the Qt painter and it's working. |
| [12:42:22] | sphery: | yeah, I have a feeling the opengl painter was unrelated |
| [12:42:33] | sphery: | you just happened to do something that got data in place that didn't segfault |
| [12:42:38] | sphery: | but glad you got past it |
| [12:43:12] | dec: | Yeah, pretty nasty bug because it's the first interaction you have with MythTV once it's installed... |
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| [12:53:43] | dec: | sphery: should I report an official bug for this? |
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| [13:44:37] | pladijs: | I'm on ubuntu, using fixes/24. This is a relatively new installation, but i'm experiencing strange behaviour in mythmusic. I get crashes when trying to 'add tracks from current album' and similar functions in the search function. Also, even more annoyingly, some menus don't work in muthmusic. The menu is visible but i cannot select anything using the arrows. |
| [13:45:30] | pladijs: | My point/question is: this is likely do to my messing around too much with the installation. What would be a good way to get an absolutely fresh installation, with default configuration? |
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| [13:49:35] | pladijs: | Any packages i should dpkg-reconfigure? Or should i rather use apt-get --purge remove? In which order? Can i have myth processes running? do i need to remove the mysql stuff? |
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| [13:57:13] | taveira: | Hi, I'm trying to get surround in a new Hybrid WinTV-HVR-1100. lspci say that is "Philips Semiconductors SAA7131/SAA7133/SAA7135 Video Broadcast Decoder (rev d1)" like one of my Pinnacle PCTV that do surround. I'm struggling to get surround in my 3 cards, but only one does. |
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| [14:00:58] | taveira: | I setup mythbackend for 3 cards with same config but I can't understand where is the "surround" capabilities. Two are the same product but only one do surround, the 3rd I bought it past week, has the same chipset and rev like the one that can do surround, but I can't get surround in the 2 others cards. |
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| [14:14:17] | pladijs: | is there a package which, if removed, will drag along all of mythtv, and if installed, will install all of mythtv? |
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| [14:32:28] | wagnerrp: | pladijs: that would be a question to ask your distro |
| [14:33:09] | wagnerrp: | taveira: the HVR-1100 is a digital tuner |
| [14:33:25] | wagnerrp: | all digital tuners capture the stream exactly as broadcast from the source |
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| [14:33:42] | wagnerrp: | your HVR-1100 records the exact same signal, bit for bit, as your pinnacle tuner |
| [14:34:13] | wagnerrp: | there are no 'surround' settings, as mythtv does not alter the recording in any fashion on the way to the disk |
| [14:34:15] | taveira: | wagnerrp: so, why do I get surround with pinnacle and not from WinTV-HVR-1100? hvr1100 is hybrid |
| [14:34:52] | wagnerrp: | the hvr-1100 is a framegrabber |
| [14:34:56] | pladijs: | okay thanks. |
| [14:35:02] | wagnerrp: | so for all recording purposes, it should be considered a digital tuner only |
| [14:35:08] | wagnerrp: | the analog portion should be entirely ignored |
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| [14:35:46] | wagnerrp: | and as mentioned, for digital recordings, there will be exactly zero difference between a recording made on a hvr-1100, and one made by your pinnacle tuner |
| [14:36:34] | wagnerrp: | for analog purposes, NTSC and PAL are both stereo sources |
| [14:36:38] | wagnerrp: | they support mono and stereo audio |
| [14:36:44] | wagnerrp: | they do not support surround audio |
| [14:37:23] | wagnerrp: | the best you can hope for would be something marked as dolby encoded, where you have surround data matrix encoded onto stereo channels |
| [14:37:27] | taveira: | i understand all you're saying. it make sense, what i can't understand is if they have some chip, some configs, same alsa sound module, ... viewing thru same frontend with same configs, one output surround, and other dont |
| [14:37:35] | wagnerrp: | but in that case, it continues to have nothing to do with the tuner card |
| [14:37:51] | wagnerrp: | as the software performing playback is what remixes the audio to surround |
| [14:38:55] | taveira: | for those reasons you named, I can't understand where are the diferences. |
| [14:39:28] | wagnerrp: | in digital mode, there can be no difference |
| [14:39:45] | wagnerrp: | in analog mode, its irrelevant since neither of those should be used for analog recording |
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| [14:42:10] | taveira: | in the frontend I use a SB X-Fi Surround 5.1 Pro sound card with inspire 5.1 digital speackers |
| [14:44:51] | taveira: | something is upmixing the sound but since the configs are the same, It would work in same conditions. The only diference would be in alsa module in capture driver or some sound component on the cards. I just want to understand why I can get surround with one card but not with other one, a recent one |
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| [14:51:35] | wagnerrp: | are these digital or analog recordings? |
| [14:52:48] | taveira: | forgive my ignorance but I can't say. how do I check it? |
| [14:53:42] | wagnerrp: | what channel number was it recorded on? |
| [14:54:00] | taveira: | are analog, v4l capture. is this what you ask? |
| [14:54:00] | wagnerrp: | scratch that |
| [14:54:10] | wagnerrp: | are the files .mpg or .nuv? |
| [14:54:13] | taveira: | nuv |
| [14:54:50] | wagnerrp: | to be honest, i was not aware our nuvencoder actually supported surround mp3s |
| [14:55:08] | wagnerrp: | especially considering almost nothing supports surround mp3s |
| [14:56:25] | wagnerrp: | my guess is one program is being flagged with 'DOLBY', and being automatically upmixed during playback |
| [14:56:45] | taveira: | I thing pinnacle must be set to analog record, but I order HVR-1100 to get mpg but i think is just for dvb-t. |
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| [14:58:14] | wagnerrp: | depending on your theme, you may have several identification icons for each recording |
| [14:58:28] | wagnerrp: | on the ones that play as surround, check if you see a dolby icon on screen |
| [14:59:28] | taveira: | thru pinnacle almost programs play as surround, ... many channels do so. even simpsons... |
| [15:00:27] | wagnerrp: | but analog will not record to surround |
| [15:00:35] | wagnerrp: | which means it is being upmixed during playback |
| [15:00:57] | wagnerrp: | nuvs contain stereo mp3 only |
| [15:01:16] | taveira: | i see. let me check |
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| [15:03:40] | taveira: | on recordings, those recorded on pinnacle have surround, hvr1100 ones don't |
| [15:04:52] | wagnerrp: | and that is for analog recordings on the pinnacle, and digital recordings on the 1100? |
| [15:05:10] | taveira: | analog on both |
| [15:05:36] | wagnerrp: | and both are using the same shared source? |
| [15:05:45] | taveira: | coax cable? |
| [15:05:55] | wagnerrp: | no, video source, item 3 in mythtv-setup |
| [15:06:01] | taveira: | yes |
| [15:06:53] | taveira: | I can even try something. swap video0 with video2 with mysql and see what happen |
| [15:07:09] | taveira: | on capturecards table |
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| [15:15:07] | taveira: | wagnerrp: like I said. it must be something on the cards or sound modules. I swap capturecard.videodevice, capturecard.audiodevice and vbidevice with both cards values and checked and I get surround with pinnacle |
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| [16:14:56] | adubz: | ok just updated to the 11.04 and have hdmi audio working "for now" two issues when i exit there is a buzzing sound that is high pitched and constant it does not stop unless i reboot the other issue is now my remote control is overly sensitive if i hit one button it registers two clicks my remote is an mce remote |
| [16:15:42] | pladijs: | is it important to clean the database when attempting to get a crisp-clean re-install? |
| [16:16:26] | adubz: | pladijs im not sure but logically why not right |
| [16:17:31] | pladijs: | okay so how do i do this? the configuration is stored in the database, right?? |
| [16:17:45] | adubz: | no |
| [16:18:56] | adubz: | most every app on linux uses a .conf format |
| [16:19:06] | adubz: | do a find / -name *.conf |
| [16:19:28] | adubz: | or try find / -name *.conf | grep mythtv |
| [16:19:58] | adubz: | /etc/init/mythtv-backend.conf |
| [16:20:05] | pladijs: | the folder /etc/mythtv contains config.xml and mysql.txt even after a apt-get --purge remove myth-frontend myth-backend |
| [16:20:12] | adubz: | looks like there is probably multiple confs |
| [16:20:18] | pladijs: | so i'll get rid of this folder as well? |
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| [16:20:37] | adubz: | naw just keep them you will probably be fine |
| [16:20:40] | adubz: | i would just reinstall |
| [16:20:51] | adubz: | what is your current install doing |
| [16:20:54] | adubz: | like how is it messed up |
| [16:21:08] | pladijs: | but i had some erratic stuff happening after i tried to reinstall, i'm trying to really erase everything from the previous conf |
| [16:21:11] | adubz: | will reinstalling definitely fix your probably or should you tackle the problem now head on |
| [16:21:34] | adubz: | oh you did a lot of screwing around with the conf |
| [16:21:37] | pladijs: | i thought first trying to reinstall, if it persists i'll submit a bug |
| [16:21:39] | adubz: | is this a few linux install |
| [16:21:56] | adubz: | fyi you should always backup your original if you mess with editing your conf files |
| [16:22:19] | adubz: | cp example.conf example.conf.backup-date |
| [16:22:41] | pladijs: | well not too much, but i get segfaults now and then. Some menus in mythmusic does not respond to keystrokes (eg cannot select any option). mythmusic crashes when "select current album" in the search function |
| [16:22:44] | adubz: | what version of linux |
| [16:22:52] | pladijs: | ubuntu 11.04 |
| [16:22:59] | adubz: | is this an upgrade |
| [16:23:40] | adubz: | like how much do you have invested in ubuntu 11.04 |
| [16:23:48] | adubz: | if you formatted the entire thing |
| [16:23:51] | pladijs: | i'm surprised somehow at how unstable i got this installation to be after not too much messing around. I did configure two x-servers, messed with .xinit, run a homebrew suspend script that kills front and backend |
| [16:23:53] | adubz: | i would recommend mythbuntu |
| [16:24:00] | pladijs: | indeed it is an upgrade |
| [16:24:09] | adubz: | ok |
| [16:24:22] | pladijs: | i started from mythbuntu 10.`0 (i believe), but then added a desktop and upgraded to 11.04 |
| [16:24:25] | adubz: | so you probably would have a lot of setting up to do if you did a fresh OS install |
| [16:24:27] | pladijs: | 10.10 that is |
| [16:25:00] | adubz: | i just formatted i have some server services to setup |
| [16:25:03] | pladijs: | can i ask you again how you would proceed with this information? do you suggest i should start from scrathc? |
| [16:25:23] | adubz: | i am a high believer starting from scratch |
| [16:25:25] | adubz: | bbl |
| [16:25:29] | iamlindoro: | MythTV does *not* store configuration in a conf file |
| [16:25:54] | iamlindoro: | In spite of the wrong information you have been given for the past 10 minutes, MythTV's configuration *is* stored in the database |
| [16:26:43] | pladijs: | the rest of my system is very stable it seems. i do not care to much about the settings of myth i have made so far. so my preference is starting with a new myth installation, but not to start with a fresh linux installation. |
| [16:27:12] | iamlindoro: | Starting Myth from scratch is as simple as dropping your database and recreating it |
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| [16:27:43] | [R]: | drop it like its hot |
| [16:27:46] | pladijs: | iamlindoro: glad to hear that (although i just did --purge remove). so how do i drop the database, or can you point me to a howto, docu,... |
| [16:27:46] | [R]: | drop it like its hot |
| [16:27:52] | iamlindoro: | The only configuration file we use is ~/.mythtv/config.xml, which simply gives the database hostname, login, and password |
| [16:28:08] | pladijs: | so i leave ~/... alone right? |
| [16:28:24] | pladijs: | even when aiming to start close-to-from-scratch |
| [16:28:33] | iamlindoro: | pladijs, just like dropping any database in mysql... log into the mysql command prompt and DROP DATABASE mythconverg; |
| [16:28:58] | pladijs: | and myth will hapily make a new database or do i manually make a new one? |
| [16:29:02] | iamlindoro: | then restart with the mc.sql script as you did originally to create you myth database |
| [16:29:10] | dmz: | howdy y'all, i'm trying to setup my pvr500 svideo to tie into my cable box, no matter which way i try it doesn't seem to work; any suggestions? |
| [16:29:13] | iamlindoro: | Create it just as you did the last time |
| [16:29:17] | iamlindoro: | using mc.sql |
| [16:29:24] | pladijs: | i never used that script, i guess it came with mythbuntu |
| [16:29:32] | [R]: | dmz: "it doesnt work" says nothing |
| [16:29:40] | iamlindoro: | mythbuntu likely handles all of that for you |
| [16:30:13] | iamlindoro: | If you're going to go on using mythbuntu packages, you should ask in #ubuntu-mythtv what their preferred way of getting their pacakges to recreate the database is |
| [16:30:17] | dmz: | let me see if i get an error on backend |
| [16:31:25] | pladijs: | iamlindoro: thanks a lot for that info. |
| [16:31:32] | dmz: | Canceled recording (Recorder Failed) |
| [16:31:34] | iamlindoro: | np |
| [16:39:00] | dmz: | hmm looksl like my channel changer didn't work |
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| [16:53:43] | pladijs: | mysql -u root gives 'access denied' |
| [16:55:15] | pladijs: | doesnt even ask for a password |
| [16:55:25] | [R]: | pladijs: it woudn't if you dindt tell it to ask for one |
| [16:56:05] | pladijs: | i see, with -p. sorry for this, i'll do some googleing |
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| [17:20:27] | taveira: | wagnerrp: i think the problem is that that stereo isn't working. how can i check if it's capture mono or stereo audio? |
| [17:27:49] | pladijs: | deleted all packages containing myth... deleted the database, reinstalled all packages (this recreated mythconverg), but now mythfrontend segfaults. I find it hard to believe this software is so buggy it segfaults on my standard 11.04 ubuntu. |
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| [17:28:54] | pladijs: | it segfaults just on startup, right after "found mainmenu.xml for theme terra. I also deleted /etc/mythtv before reinstalling the packages btw. |
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| [17:39:46] | slickrick: | wondering if anyone knows how to fix mythmusic so that the information screen displays along with album art? |
| [17:40:01] | slickrick: | i upgraded to latest 0.24 from ppa and still have this issue. |
| [17:40:21] | slickrick: | similar to whats here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/+bug/556174 |
| [17:41:04] | slickrick: | in addition the info button (i) has the same behavior when the visualizations are running. |
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| [17:58:31] | adubz: | ok just updated to the 11.04 and have hdmi audio working "for now" two issues when i exit there is a buzzing sound that is high pitched and constant it does not stop unless i reboot the other issue is now my remote control is overly sensitive if i hit one button it registers two clicks my remote is an mce remote |
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| [20:32:18] | mycosys: | any tips on troubleshooting mythweather? |
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| [20:52:54] | peteforsyth: | I can't find info on how to install plugins — I'm sure it's easy, but everything on the wiki/manual seems to redirect to this one page that doesn't give any instructions. Any hints? |
| [20:52:55] | peteforsyth: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/User_Manual:Plugins_and_Addons |
| [20:56:12] | sphery: | wagnerrp: yeah, if you want to remove it you can... didn't know if there's anything we can do with the templates (the 2nd part in my TODO) to make it less in-your-face (and don't even know if the templates are used for the e-mails) |
| [20:56:43] | sphery: | would be nice to keep it and just have it stuck down in the bottom with the "modify ticket" junk |
| [20:57:02] | sphery: | if nothing else because it would get people to submit it and keep them from putting it in the description |
| [20:57:10] | sphery: | but as it is, it's a mess |
| [20:57:36] | sphery: | peteforsyth: are you using packages? If so, just install the mythplugins package or whatever they called it |
| [20:57:58] | sphery: | (they may have separate for mythvideo and mythmusic and ...) |
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| [20:58:41] | peteforsyth: | ah, I see it now. Thanks. |
| [20:58:46] | peteforsyth: | I'll add that to the wiki. |
| [21:02:10] | peteforsyth: | sphery: I made my first successful recording (an Infomercial!) this afternoon :) I think setting up LIRC might be beyond me, but I'll be pretty happy even if I have to do manual channel-changing and recordings. Still a very useful thing to have! |
| [21:03:13] | mycosys: | gawd – the perl scripts are dieing at ftp gets, which work fine in firefox on both this and the myth box |
| [21:03:23] | mycosys: | wtf |
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| [21:04:28] | mycosys: | works fine from wget too |
| [21:04:46] | mycosys: | sphery any ideas? |
| [21:05:35] | sphery: | mycosys: perl scripts? like which ones? |
| [21:06:06] | mycosys: | au_bom/bomcurrent.pl au_bom/bomalert.pl |
| [21:06:14] | sphery: | peteforsyth: LIRC isn't that hard--just takes time and trial/error (just don't expect to understand it when you get it working, either) |
| [21:06:22] | sphery: | and it's well worth the effort |
| [21:06:37] | peteforsyth: | heh |
| [21:06:56] | sphery: | mycosys: no clue what those do--or why only perl scripts would fail that |
| [21:07:00] | mycosys: | am running them manually after seeing them fail in mythfrontend.log, am getting a line number for where they die, and it is for a get |
| [21:07:02] | peteforsyth: | well..mwalls was trying to help me yesterday, and we ran into some stuff he didn't know how to troubleshoot |
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| [21:07:16] | peteforsyth: | and I don't even know where to begin without guidance — the pages on the wiki are all greek to me |
| [21:07:17] | mycosys: | they are the weather scripts for australia |
| [21:07:44] | mycosys: | wagnerrp – if ur round any idea why perl wouldnt be able to get, while bash can? |
| [21:10:58] | peteforsyth: | got the mythplugins installed, thanks — having trouble getting them to do anything but I'm sure I'll figure it out. |
| [21:13:18] | peteforsyth: | oh! I just figured out the Hulu widget :) |
| [21:14:39] | peteforsyth: | sadly it appears my video adapter is not happy with it, pretty jerky. |
| [21:19:44] | wagnerrp: | perl wouldnt be able to get... what? |
| [21:20:35] | wagnerrp: | are you using the internal perl modules for ftp/http access, or are you manually trying to 'get' things with the command line utility? |
| [21:21:52] | mycosys: | ftp://ftp2.bom.gov.au/anon/gen/fwo/IDY03021.txt |
| [21:22:02] | mycosys: | i am not trying to do it lol – i dont know perl |
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| [21:23:17] | mycosys: | my $url = 'ftp://ftp2.bom.gov.au/anon/gen/fwo/IDYGP007.txt'; |
| [21:23:18] | mycosys: | my $response = get $url; |
| [21:23:18] | mycosys: | die unless defined $response; |
| [21:23:42] | mycosys: | dunno if that seems sane wagnerrp |
| [21:23:54] | ** wagnerrp doesnt know perl ** | |
| [21:24:06] | mycosys: | is in /usr/share/mythtv/mythweather/scripts/au_bom/bomalert.pl |
| [21:24:08] | wagnerrp: | i can generally understand what its doing |
| [21:24:09] | mycosys: | lol dash |
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| [21:24:19] | wagnerrp: | but ive never written a lick of it in my life |
| [21:24:30] | mycosys: | used to work, but now just errors out |
| [21:24:32] | wagnerrp: | maybe a line or two of cludgy hacks in existing scripts |
| [21:26:08] | wagnerrp: | sphery: commented out for now |
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| [21:36:06] | Beirdo^2: | Ugh |
| [21:37:27] | wagnerrp: | i told you not to bet on st.louis |
| [21:38:29] | Beirdo^2: | Hehe. At hard rock cafe actually |
| [21:39:03] | bobgill: | I had used the mythnuv2mkv script a while back and made .avi's out of a bunch of recordings, then I deleted many via Mythweb recently and noticed free space hadn't changed. I see a lot of .avi's now in the myth recordings dir and am wondering how I can kind of clean up and get rid of what isn't in the database any more? (Too many .avi's and not sure which are attached to recordings I still have+want, and whi |
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| [21:41:08] | wagnerrp: | running 0.24? |
| [21:42:07] | bobgill: | wagnerrp: if asking me, yup |
| [21:42:22] | wagnerrp: | http://mythtv.org/wiki/Find_orphans.py |
| [21:43:17] | bobgill: | wagnerrp: oh thanks a lot, will work on that |
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| [21:50:42] | mycosys: | http://www.lol-jokes.com/business-work/engineers/failed-brakes lol |
| [21:51:13] | Beirdo^2: | Ooh. I need some Cinderella LPs. As in 80s metal. |
| [21:56:09] | Beirdo^2: | OK. Time to head home |
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| [23:55:05] | wagnerrp: | skd5aner: any desire in making a clean separation on the release notes? |
| [23:55:21] | wagnerrp: | rename -fixes to 0.24.1, create a new -fixes in its place? |
| [23:55:25] | skd5aner: | instead of the redirect I put into places? |
| [23:55:40] | bobgill: | wagnerrp: on the find_orphans.py I'm getting "find_orphans.py: line 3: from: command not found" |
| [23:55:57] | skd5aner: | Ah... well, I thought about that... but basicaly .24-fixes will still exist – we could always just duplicate |
| [23:56:27] | peteforsyth: | sphery: I hate to bug you..but I tried to mess with my settings, thinking I understood how to set up from scratch if I screwed it up..and apparently was wrong. |
| [23:56:48] | wagnerrp: | bobgill: sounds like youre somehow trying to run python through the bash interpreter |
| [23:56:50] | peteforsyth: | I think the only issue is, I need to put that "dummy script" (was it /bin/true or similar?) |
| [23:56:56] | peteforsyth: | but I forget where that goes! |
| [23:56:58] | wagnerrp: | impressive |
| [23:57:19] | peteforsyth: | and apparently I failed to log my IRC program sufficiently :-/ |
| [23:57:21] | wagnerrp: | peteforsyth: youre talking about the channel changing script? |
| [23:57:26] | peteforsyth: | yes |
| [23:57:37] | wagnerrp: | in mythtv-setup |
| [23:57:47] | peteforsyth: | yup |
| [23:57:49] | wagnerrp: | should be in the input connections |
| [23:58:16] | peteforsyth: | looking... |
| [23:58:33] | wagnerrp: | skd5aner: honestly, id like to be able to lock the page in place |
| [23:58:40] | bobgill: | wagnerrp: http://pastebin.com/NQnZHPjT |
| [23:59:24] | wagnerrp: | bobgill: you dont have the python bindings installed |
| [23:59:25] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: fine by me... can you just leave 0.24-fixes as it is now, then cut a copy of it for 0.24.1 and clean it up a little? I can do it too if you'd like |
| [23:59:52] | wagnerrp: | so you want to keep -fixes as the full log |
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