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Friday, May 13th, 2011, 00:01 UTC

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skd5aner:

wagnerrp: not necessarily – I know of a couple different remote and HA solutions that can send commands via HTTP, but are closed so you can't easily extend it with something like a raw socket

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skd5aner:

plus, so many devices are browser-capable, you can just use that as the client – not necessarily the same with the socket interface

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skd5aner:

but regardless, both are powerful tools that can really open the doors to those waiting to walk through them

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skd5aner:

just like your bindings :)

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wagnerrp:

so that would be.... half a dozen people, out of the tens of thousands of mythtv users?

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** mycosys is pondering jmicron JMF602B **

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mycosys:

kinda wondering how badly its abominable 4k random write performance would affect a mythtv backend server (wont have any media on it)

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jivey:

I am a newbie that has run into an issue can some on help me with my presenting my collection of mkv files

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jivey:

I have read the docs and still having issues

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tgm4883:

jivey, add mkv as a known file extension, copy file into video storage group, go into mythvideo, hit M, Scan for changes

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tgm4883:

should work

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jivey:

I think I have done that but I will try again thanks

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clever:

whoa!

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mycosys:

? clever

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wagnerrp:

also see http://mythtv.org/wiki/MythVideo

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clever:

i was just thinking yesterday that my netbook would make a good frontend, if it wasnt for the 800x480 video card

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clever:

today, i hooked the vga output up and ran xrandr -q to see how i would change inputs

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wagnerrp:

i didnt realize a video card could be 800x480

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clever:

everything went nuts and i lost half my windows

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mycosys:

how does it have an 800x480 vid card?????????????//

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clever:

it switched into dual monitor mode, and the second output is 1280x1024

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clever:

mycosys: the internal lcd panel can only do 800x480

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mycosys:

so you have an 800x480 screen

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clever:

and generaly, the GPU cant do much more

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mycosys:

nothing to do with the card/chip

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tgm4883:

so you are saying that wasn't very clever?

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tgm4883:

Thanks folks, I'll be here all night. Don't forget to tip your waitresses

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clever:

mycosys: yeah, but i didnt expect the chip to be capable of dual monitor

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mycosys:

you just said it does 1280x1024

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clever:

mycosys: i was expecting the chip to only be capable of cloned output

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clever:

with roughtly the same res as the internal display

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mycosys:

would be bizarre

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clever:

nearly every other laptop i have is clone mode only

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mycosys:

wow, they cant just switch to external? i have never seen that with hundreds of laptops

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clever:

its usualy internal, external, or both (with the same image)

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clever:

and in both mode, only the primary has working XV overlay

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mycosys:

end external only is generally capable of high res, limited by the amount of display memory

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mycosys:

*and

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clever:

first time ive seen a laptop capable of true dual monitor

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mycosys:

if you have more than about 16M of display memory you arent goin to run into resolution issues there

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mycosys:

really? all of mine are

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clever:

so now the only minus this has as a frontend, would be cpu

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clever:

~650mhz

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mycosys:

wow – is it a decade old?

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clever:

asus eeepc 701

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mycosys:

ahhh

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mycosys:

it isnt a laptop

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clever:

right, a netbook

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jivey:

Can some one help me with displaying my mkv files under videos

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clever:

basicaly a tiny laptop

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mycosys:

is an underclocked pentium3 on an antique intel chipset

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clever:

mycosys: ahh

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clever:

i believe my commflagging slave is a P3

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jivey:

I did this on the front end and it did not work "add mkv as a known file extension, copy file into video storage group, go into mythvideo, hit M, Scan for changes"

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clever:

mycosys: yep, Pentium III (Coppermine) 700mhz/1ghz

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mycosys:

so you went into media settings > video > file types, checked mkv was there, set playback type to internal and made sure hide this wasnt ticked?

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jivey:

Ext:Mkv Command:Internal Use deafault:checked Ignore:unchecked

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clever:

there, now gnome is looking better

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mycosys:

and they are in a directory you have setup in storage groups?

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jivey:

Yes, I have a mkv at the root and a lot of folders with files in them

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mycosys:

huh?

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jivey:

Verified /mnt/Complete/Movies "Directories that hold movies"

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jivey:

Verified /mnt/Complete/Movies "Directories that hold videos"

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wagnerrp:

so american idol is on before bones

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wagnerrp:

and im watching the last couple minutes

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wagnerrp:

my got these people are tone deaf

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wagnerrp:

theyre the people auto-tune was designed for

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jivey:

mycosys I want mythTV to work. I want to get rid of my tivo

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jivey:

This is my last hurdle

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wagnerrp:

and the guy's mascara is running

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wagnerrp:

paul mccartney would be rolling in his grave were he actually dead

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mycosys:

instead he's rolling in cash

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wagnerrp:

as it stands, he should sue the guy for defamation of character

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jivey:

Got it had to listen to tgm4883 go into mythvideo, hit M, Scan for changes

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jivey:

Is there a way to automate the scan of changes to the viedeos diectory?

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wagnerrp:

on the rare event that you rip/transcode new DVDs to mkv, it shouldnt bee too much of an effort to spend a few seconds to scan for content

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wagnerrp:

if youre migrating recordings into mythvideo, ive got a script on the wiki that does so and automatically inserts and grabs metadata

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jivey:

awesome that is what I am looking for will check it out

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wagnerrp:

http://mythtv.org/wiki/Mythvidexport.py

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jivey:

Really apperciate the help 4 hours of tinkering and have a new DVR system setup

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kisak:

hello, what is the <MediaRenderer> field in config.xml based off of and is a manditory field

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wagnerrp:

it is a UUID generated for UPNP needs

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wagnerrp:

kisak: why do you think you need to convert one to the other?

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kisak:

wagnerrp: because a script of mine is complaining regularly on the backend

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kisak:

config.xml was empty on the backend's user

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wagnerrp:

what script is that?

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wagnerrp:

if using the perl or python bindings, both will attempt upnp autodetection should that file not be available

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kisak:

it's just a bash script, calling mythcommflag and mythtranscode and a couple other things that have accumulated over the years

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wagnerrp:

then why not read in the mysql.txt instead

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wagnerrp:

rather than some hackish attempt at XML parsing in a language that doesnt support it

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wagnerrp:

'. mysql.txt' and youre done

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wagnerrp:

of course use of use of mysql from within bash could be considered hackish in its own right...

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kisak:

I'm not handling either config directly, it's being parsed by myth* utilities which are called in the script

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wagnerrp:

any myth binary application should be capable of handling either the config.xml or mysql.txt, which ever it finds available

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wagnerrp:

further, both the frontend and backend should be generating both files during initial setup

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wagnerrp:

is it possible youre running those scripts in a different environment, with a different HOME directory in which to look for those config files?

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wagnerrp:

mythtv will look for them in ~/.mythtv/, where ever HOME may be

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wagnerrp:

or will alternatively pull them out of ${MYTHCONFDIR}/, should that environmental variable be set

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wagnerrp:

mythcommflag AND mythtranscode.... this isnt one of those things that blindly copies a commercial skiplist into a cutlist, and irreversibly removes them, is it?

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ahhughes_:

anyone seen these before? http://www.trustedreviews.com/Acer-Aspire-Rev . . . op-PC_review

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wagnerrp:

ahhughes_: all the deficiencies of an underperforming Atom

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wagnerrp:

without the saving grace of VDPAU and an nVidia graphics chip

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ahhughes_:

oh, thanks wagnerrp – best I don't buy a piece of s**t :)

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ahhughes_:

basically, I think I need to build one myself.

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ahhughes_:

are the mycinema tuners still the most popular in Australia?

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markk:

wagerrp: did you actually follow the link and read the specs?

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bumblebeebat:

Anyone know why, if I set a recording to "Record at any time on any channel" and set the filter to "New Episodes Only", the system makes multiple recording of the same program. It never did this in the past. Any ideas?

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bumblebeebat:

my schedule info is from schedules direct

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bumblebeebat:

and my duplicate check is set to "subtitle and description"

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ahhughes_:

markk, well its not an atom is it...

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ahhughes_:

and it has ion2.... so that means VDPAU right?

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ahhughes_:

I just don't know if the tuner is of any use and if the cpu is grunty enough for ad detection....

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markk:

ahhughes: looks like a pretty decent box – for a frontend at least. not cheap though

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ahhughes_:

They got 30% off here today.... so was $999 now $699.

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ahhughes_:

but if the tv tuner is useless, and the cpu and gpu are underpowered then what's the point....

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wagnerrp:

markk: its a 1.3GHz AMD, with AMD graphics

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ahhughes_:

no

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ahhughes_:

ion2 gpu

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bumblebeebat:

what model is it markk

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ahhughes_:

athlon II Neo k325 Dual Core 1.3 Ghz Processor.... but wtf does that really mean?

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ahhughes_:

acer has THE WORST WEBSITE!

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bumblebeebat:

it has a cpu mark of 779

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wagnerrp:

dual core, 1.3GHz AMD Athlon X2

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sphery:

bumblebeebat: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/479309#479309

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wagnerrp:

too slow for single threaded decoding of HD MPEG2, HDPVR output, or multithreaded bluray content

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wagnerrp:

you may get by with lower bitrate multi-sliced h264 DVB-T content

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wagnerrp:

markk: i didnt notice the 9400M

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bumblebeebat:

for example a Intel Core2 Quad Q9650 @ 3.00GHz has a cpu mark of 4600

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wagnerrp:

i saw the AMD chip and assumed AMD graphics

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wagnerrp:

now, that i read the page, they even make comment of that fact, the surprising fact of finding an AMD chip with nVidia graphics

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bumblebeebat:

sphery: thanks, will read it right away

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ahhughes:

bumblebeebat, what does 779 mean?

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bumblebeebat:

The atom D525 has a passmark of 711 so this is just slightly better, I have 2 nettops and I have started move away from them. They work, they are just not a great investment for the future. There are some fantastic H67 boards out there in a Mini form factor. Combine that with some of the awesome low voltage chips out there.

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wagnerrp:

ahhughes: its a cursory comparison of two processors

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bumblebeebat:

It is just a benchmark score

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wagnerrp:

a completely synthetic benchmark score

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ahhughes:

but basically... this cpu has no balls right?

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bumblebeebat:

Definitely synthetic but it gives you a bases of comparison

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wagnerrp:

not enough for mythtv's software decoding needs

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ahhughes:

thanks v much... wagnerrp you totally helped me out :)

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wagnerrp:

but with VDPAU on that graphics chip, you dont need it

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ahhughes:

argh.

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ahhughes:

Now you have thrown me... is ion2 ok for 1080?

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wagnerrp:

my initial assessment was incorrect, i thought it had AMD graphics, which does not provide hardware accelerated decoding in mythtv

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wagnerrp:

1080 is just a vertical line count

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wagnerrp:

you need to be more specific

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ahhughes:

yeah, I know that much... Im stuck on the CPU, and TV Tuner evaluation.

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ahhughes:

1920x1080

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wagnerrp:

again... just a resolution, you have to be more specific

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bumblebeebat:

It has a neo chip and a tv tuner?

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wagnerrp:

the ION and ION2 chips should be sufficient for any digital broadcasts, HDPVR, HDDVD, and Bluray content

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wagnerrp:

it has been known to fault on noisy digital recordings that the software decoder will churn through

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wagnerrp:

similarly, ive heard of some bluray content it faults on

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wagnerrp:

but by and large, unaltered commercial content will play fine, since that is what it was designed for

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wagnerrp:

now if you go off and start transcoding, you may start using compressor options that are not supported, or resolutions that are not supported, or entire codecs that are not supported

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wagnerrp:

in which case VDPAU will fail, and you have to fall back to software decoding

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wagnerrp:

all things considered, the optimal frontend would be one with enough CPU power to handle anything you want in software

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wagnerrp:

but if you understand the limitations of hardware decoding on underperforming systems, it should work adequately as a frontend

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ahhughes:

yes, I should cover my butt there too... transcoding to the ps3 or something else that might come along could be a problem.

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wagnerrp:

the PS3 is particularly finicky about the codecs, containers, and compressor options it supports

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Beirdo:

ahhughes: you ain't in Canada, are ya?

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wagnerrp:

i spent many a day trying to figure out what specifically my PS3 liked, before just giving up and buying another frontend

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ahhughes:

Beirdo, Australia

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ahhughes:

its ok.. I'll just log on to the playstation network and.... hey.... its offline ;)

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Beirdo:

dang, I was hoping it was an old coworker (what would be the chances)

[04:40:56]

Beirdo:

let's see if ANOTHER cleaning will help this track

[04:41:27]

Beirdo:

I need to replace the LP

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Beirdo:

Phil Collins – But Seriously

[04:42:09]

Beirdo:

it's badly scratched, bent/warped... and skips

[04:42:34]

Beirdo:

I think I got it to to that track better... there's enough captured that I can piece it together

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Beirdo:

warped badly enough that I had to bend it back to get it to play side B at ALL

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tgm4883:

wagnerrp, so you have a script to trigger mythvideo scanning and metadata gathering?

[04:52:37]

wagnerrp:

not quite

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tgm4883:

hmm, I thought that is what you said earlier

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wagnerrp:

i have a script that runs as a user job that copies one recording over to the mythvideo storage groups, and uses the chosen metadata grabber scripts to supplement the video with additional data

[04:53:34]

tgm4883:

ah

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wagnerrp:

it operates directly on the database, completely outside of mythvideo

[04:54:34]

wagnerrp:

i have another script that duplicates the mythvideo scanning mechanism, scanning all defined storage groups on all hosts, deleting old content, adding new content, matching up renamed content, and running a metadata scan on all new content

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wagnerrp:

however such script is deprecated

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wagnerrp:

in 0.25, the mythvideo scanner has been migrated to the backend

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tgm4883:

I'm looking at a way to change permissions on a file when it is added to one of the mythvideo directories. figured it would be good to scan the file into the videos tables as well

[04:55:18]

wagnerrp:

and all the above can be accomplished by a simple MythBE().backendCommand('SCAN_VIDEOS')

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tgm4883:

Can you do a scan of a single video?

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tgm4883:

Not that scanning all would be bad, just not necessary

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wagnerrp:

i dont have a script to so such, but it would not be difficult in the bindings

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wagnerrp:

there is a classmethod that creates a new Video class from parsing the filename

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tgm4883:

Basically, user copies video1.avi into one of the videos storage groups. That triggers a change of permissions to mythtv:mythtv + a scan of the file into the database

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wagnerrp:

from there, you can use the VideoGrabber classes to interface with the metadata grabbers

[04:57:20]

wagnerrp:

and the Video class will accept the output of the VideoGrabber searches directly

[04:57:44]

wagnerrp:

all the components needed are detailed in Myth_video_scan.py on the wiki

[04:57:52]

wagnerrp:

you just need to re-arrange them for single file use

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tgm4883:

awesome, i'll check it out

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Beirdo:

hehehe

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Beirdo:

you can hear in the recording me bumping the turntable to get it to stop skipping

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wagnerrp:

i dont know why, but i get a strange pleasure out of using context managers

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Beirdo:

I think that's as good of a reconstruction as I'll get for now

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wagnerrp:

they just make code so... clean

[05:10:26]

wagnerrp:

its the OC in me being fed

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Beirdo:

heheh

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Beirdo:

feed that little neat freak

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wagnerrp:

instead of flooding uprefs and downrefs all over the code, just a single reference locker

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wagnerrp:

i may need to subclass ProgramInfo off of this thing for similar reasons

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Beirdo:

nice

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Beirdo:

this will be the first time I try this... gonna high-pass filter at 2Hz

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Beirdo:

as it has a 0.55Hz Boom boom boom from the arp

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wagnerrp:

wouldnt that be low pass or notch pass?

[05:19:46]

wagnerrp:

no... im thinking backwards

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wagnerrp:

pass anything above 2Gz

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Beirdo:

correct

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Beirdo:

first try unsuccessful

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Beirdo:

second try... nope

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Beirdo:

let's try with the knee at 16Hz

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Beirdo:

this LP is getting replaced anyways

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Beirdo:

just messing with it now :)

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Beirdo:

OK, at 32Hz knee, 24dB/octave rolloff.. it's nearly gone :)

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Beirdo:

now let's see if that affected the bass too much

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wagnerrp:

i... think thats it for the jobqueue

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wagnerrp:

now i just need to rewrite the interfaces for the frontend and setup

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wagnerrp:

and make the schema update work properly

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wagnerrp:

oh, need to do the autorun stuff

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wagnerrp:

and the time windows

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Beirdo:

heheh

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Beirdo:

just a few minor things :)

[05:29:32]

wagnerrp:

and the... and the....

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Beirdo:

I think sphery and I are nearly ready with the new-logging too

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Beirdo:

but just today, I noticed "new" shutdown issues... but I'm not sure if that's the thread changes we merged in from -rec2

[05:31:03]

Beirdo:

OK, the bass sounds OK

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Beirdo:

but boy is this crackly

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Beirdo:

running click removal again on this song

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Beirdo:

Another Day In Paradise, if you were curious

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wagnerrp:

holy wow! i think i may just have to buy a tablet

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Beirdo:

crackly like someone's frying bacon almost. BAD LP.

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Beirdo:

Tablets are fun

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wagnerrp:

10.1" WQXGA

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wagnerrp:

(WQXGA is the resolution commonly found in 30" displays)

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Beirdo:

nice

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Beirdo:

so enough messing with that song, moving on :)

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wagnerrp:

after all, it is phil collins

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

nah, it's becauase I'm gonna replace the LP

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G:

I wonder, whats the best way to verify (script wise) that MythTV isn't recording anything and won't be for like the next 30 minutes?

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wagnerrp:

poll upcoming recordings from the backend

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wagnerrp:

you can use the backend protocol or xml interfaces, your pick

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G:

wagnerrp: sounds sane enough :)

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Beirdo:

now some Foreigner

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wagnerrp:

scratch that... XML interface doesnt provide that data

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wagnerrp:

http://mythtv.org/wiki/QUERY_GETALLPENDING_(Myth_Protocol)

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: when you call a parent's constructor from a child constructor

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wagnerrp:

and that parent calls a virtual command overridden by the child

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G:

wagnerrp: actually, mythshutdown might provide the data, hmmm will have to check that soon

[06:05:05]

wagnerrp:

the parent should use the child's command, correct?

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G:

sounds like if I run mythshutdown -s, I might be able to see if there is a program to be recorded in the next 15 minutes....

[06:05:36]

wagnerrp:

instead, it seems to be using the parent's Create(), which connects to the master backend over then network

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wagnerrp:

which for something running on the master backend, is clearly a bad thing

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: I'm not 100% sure

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Beirdo:

I woulda thought it would use the child's overridden method

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Beirdo:

but..

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Beirdo:

Oooh. Cold as Ice.

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Beirdo:

I like this song

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wagnerrp:

are you willing to sacrifice?

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Beirdo:

that's the one.. 1977, can you believe it?

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: seems calling virtual methods from constructors is a no-no for exactly this reason

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Beirdo:

ah, now that would make sense

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Beirdo:

so got my parts cabinet to store electronic parts in :)

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Beirdo:

oh sweeet

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Beirdo:

google music does support flac

[07:11:02]

Beirdo:

gimme an invite already, google!

[07:11:28]

Beirdo:

they transcode em to 320kbps mp3

[07:11:31]

Beirdo:

but still.

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Beirdo:

anyways, last LP, then bed

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justinh:

320k mp3? what's the point? you'll only be playing it on your smartphone to the other passengers on the bus so who cares? ;-)

[07:29:47]

justinh:

tsssssssss tssssssssssss tssssssssssss tssssssssss tssssssssssss

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justinh:

gah. one of these WP plugins worked last night & grabbed a load of comments from facebook but now it's not working

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Beirdo:

you'd actually be surprised how clear some of these are

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justinh:

it's the bass I often find strange on mp3 encodes

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Beirdo:

quite often

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Beirdo:

anyways, I'm ripping to flac

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justinh:

:)

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Beirdo:

then transcode on the fly to 128kbit to listen at work

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Beirdo:

mp3fs FTW

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justinh:

I've got all my rips in flac so I'm free to diddle with them

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Beirdo:

yu[

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justinh:

plus if I do a mix there'll be no generational loss

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justinh:

I've had 320k mp3 in a mix which sounds fine live but once it's mp3 goes all to hell

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Beirdo:

yeah

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Beirdo:

that one Phil Collins LP I ripped... is horrible

[07:34:03]

justinh:

well, it's Phil Collins ;-)

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Beirdo:

sounds like bacon frying in the background...

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Beirdo:

and the LP is warped

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Beirdo:

and very scratched

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justinh:

heh

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Beirdo:

Phil Collins is good stuff, actually. :)

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justinh:

warp gives you the 'wow' factor

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Beirdo:

nah, it gave the "skip before the first track and never start" effect

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justinh:

given the choice between hiss & mp3 artifacts I think I'll always take hiss

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Beirdo:

I had to physically bend the stupid thing back

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justinh:

the brain is better at filtering out noise like that

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Beirdo:

true

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justinh:

pity mp3 is so ubiquitous, especially as there are much better formats now

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Beirdo:

the two Foreigner LPs since have been quite clean

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justinh:

you know what gets me about vinyl? the specs like channel separation, noise etc look really poor on paper but it can still sound better

[07:37:20]

justinh:

the numbers say anything digital should be better

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Beirdo:

yeah, I've been fairly impressed by a lot of vinyl that was recorded to go onto vinyl originally

[07:38:02]

Beirdo:

it's quite good and listenable :)

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Beirdo:

and at 50c-$1 per LP....

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justinh:

I've actually got some very old recordings of me DJing in a nightclub in 1992 & you can hear *everything* . pulling the same track from a compilation CD released years later and mhhhhhhhh

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Beirdo:

if I bought ONE song online it would be more than the entire LP

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justinh:

mind, I think a lot of early compilations were mastered really badly. I've even found some where they're EQ'd as if for groove jamming

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justinh:

yeah but how much is your time worth? ;-)

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Beirdo:

there is that, but I get bored of only watching TV, ya know :)

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justinh:

some of my dance 12" singles I ripped actually make the display on my car stereo dim in time with the beats

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justinh:

I didn't even normalise em

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justinh:

the irony that digital formats have a theoretically larger dynamic range, and yet so much is compressed the hell out of... that's not funny

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Beirdo:

yeah

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justinh:

hope the art of proper mastering hasn't been lost forever. that'd be sad

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Beirdo:

I do a click and pop removal, split tracks, and that is it, unless there's something nasty to try to recover

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justinh:

a lot of my vinyl had cue burn

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justinh:

that's where the very start of the record gets a nasty SCHHHHHHHHH through finding the start point repeatedly ;)

[07:44:48]

Beirdo:

yeah

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Beirdo:

quite a few of mine do

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Beirdo:

but for the price :)

[07:45:13]

justinh:

maybe they're ex-radio :)

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Beirdo:

hehe, quite possible. some are even singles :)

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justinh:

you wouldn't get that in any normal circumstances since mere mortals don't wind it back & forth to find the start (then back quarter to a third of a turn to account for start speed)

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Beirdo:

a lot of the ones in teh used bin have tape on em with "track 1 – 112 bpm", etc

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Beirdo:

definitely DJ-used

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justinh:

yup

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justinh:

I wish these stupid WP plugins had some kind of logging thing I could enable to see wth is happening

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

time for a quick spot check

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Beirdo:

yup, that sounds good

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Beirdo:

use audacity to rip with a USB preamp that shows up as a normal USB audio device

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Beirdo:

export to flac, then go into picard to tweak the track labels from the musicbrainz db in case I mistyped

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Beirdo:

and that saves into the directory structure I export via mp3fs

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Beirdo:

Foreigner – Dirty White Boy.

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Beirdo:

hehe

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justinh:

nifty

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Beirdo:

it gives me something to do other than just watch TV

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Beirdo:

and gives me more music to listen to at work (over IPv6 using web server streaming in nginx)

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Beirdo:

all work fine

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Beirdo:

enough fun for one night. time to go sleep

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spirit3:

argh ... something odd has happened to Myth :s

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justinh:

the :s emoticon never fails to get my back up

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spirit3:

too much time on MSN (or worse the corporate equivelent OCS) #to blame for that

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justinh:

fwiw you might as well just say "wahhh, it all brokey! Woe is me!" LOL

[08:08:20]

spirit3:

I turned on the TV today to be greeted with a "MythTV database has a newer TV schema (1264) than expected (1254)" error

[08:08:26]

justinh:

whoops

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justinh:

somebody installed something newer than the should have

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spirit3:

dpkg -l myth* lists everything as 0.23 + fixes

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justinh:

all in one box?

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spirit3:

mythtvbackend --version returns MythTV Version : 26437, MythTV Branch : branches/release-0-23-fixes

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spirit3:

yes, all in one box

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justinh:

mythtvbackend?

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spirit3:

sorry. mythbackend

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justinh:

and mythfrontend --version returns?

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spirit3:

26437, branches/release-0-23-fixes

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spirit3:

I don't recall having installed any updates in the last week, and as of a couple of days ago I know all was working

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justinh:

oh dear. I hope you have a recent backup of the database

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spirit3:

Hmmm, no – since I reinstalled a few months back I've not reinstated my backup scripts

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justinh:

in theory, if something has updated the db schema there should be a backup somewhere

[08:14:30]

justinh:

try looking in the default storage group

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justinh:

if there's something there it should be a snapshot of the database just before the upgrade

[08:15:41]

justinh:

anyway you've really nothing to lose by stopping mythbackeng & trying mythtv-setup

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justinh:

*mythbackend

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spirit3:

mythtv-setup just complains about the schema version and exits

[08:16:46]

justinh:

so, now you have to think about what might have updated the schema without you knowing about it

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justinh:

this is one of the reasons the developers are so against 3rd party apps lying about the protocol version they speak

[08:17:27]

justinh:

and hooking directly into the db

[08:18:00]

justinh:

so if it's not mythbackend, and it's not mythfrontend.. is must be one of the plugins

[08:18:05]

justinh:

*it

[08:18:11]

spirit3:

I run MythWeb, I can't think of anything else unusual

[08:18:31]

justinh:

is mythweb running ok?

[08:19:52]

spirit3:

No, yesterday it was, today it isn't

[08:19:59]

justinh:

same problem?

[08:20:00]

spirit3:

unable to connect to master backend, but the backend is running

[08:20:10]

** justinh laughs **

[08:20:46]

spirit3:

ah, the backend log shows it's in a loop:-

[08:20:48]

spirit3:

Error: MythTV database has newer TV schema (1264) than expected (1254).

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spirit3:

Couldn't upgrade database to new schema

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justinh:

good spot

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spirit3:

if it's already a newer version, why is it complaining about not being able to upgrade?

[08:21:30]

justinh:

do you use any 3rd party (unofficial) plugins?

[08:21:49]

justinh:

or any scripts which, say, move non-recorded files into the recordings list?

[08:22:05]

spirit3:

No, but (you'll laugh at this) I do have the MythTV plugin for XBMC – although XBMC hasn't been run for over a month

[08:22:26]

justinh:

spirit3: it's expecting version 1254

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justinh:

somehow, somewhere you've got something which bumped it up to 1264 – well you've got – or you *had*

[08:24:02]

justinh:

if something bumped it, there should be a backup

[08:24:13]

justinh:

look in the default storage group

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justinh:

aiming to find .sql.gz file(s)

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spirit3:

ok I'll take a look

[08:25:01]

justinh:

e.g. mythconverg-1254–20100816081350.sql.gz

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spirit3:

checking the nythbackend.log this error first ocurred on 11/05

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justinh:

mythconverg-schemaver-data

[08:25:21]

justinh:

mythconverg-schemaver-date.sql.gz even

[08:25:41]

justinh:

so what have you done?

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spirit3:

I don't recall doing anything the last few days – but clearly something has changed

[08:26:21]

spirit3:

ahha – have found backups

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justinh:

what date?

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justinh:

cos that'd be when *it* happened

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spirit3:

yes, 10/05/2011

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spirit3:

and another 08/05/2011

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justinh:

so you, or *somebody* did somethig then

[08:27:27]

justinh:

this stuff doesn't happen automagically on any sane system

[08:27:45]

justinh:

unattended automatic updates == BAD IDEA

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spirit3:

Indeed, you are right – possibly myself or my gf allowed mythbuntu to install updates

[08:28:01]

justinh:

I turn all that crap off

[08:28:10]

justinh:

updating anything is a deliberate effort on my part

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spirit3:

Well this is the first update that's gone wrong in my history with MythTV / Ubuntu

[08:28:42]

spirit3:

Perhaps just luck on my part until now

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justinh:

that update notifier is a PITA

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justinh:

DING! Updates available! CLICK ME!! CLICK ME NOWWWWWW!!!!!!!!!!!!

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spirit3:

yes, I should turn it off

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justinh:

UPDATE!

[08:30:25]

justinh:

er.. WHY do I need to update? Everything works & I am happy :-)

[08:31:10]

justinh:

I wouldn't care, but the times I clicked on that thing, there was invariably a kernel update & I'd need to reboot at some point. Very inconvenient

[08:31:57]

justinh:

lame. wordpress' minimum cron interval is hourly

[08:32:37]

justinh:

and this plugin doesn't have a nice indicator telling you when the next update is

[08:33:38]

justinh:

spirit3: so anyway, you're left in a conumdrum. chances are even if you update to a newer version using a schema => 1264 it won't run the schema upgrade

[08:33:51]

justinh:

but if you restore a backup of the database you

[08:34:06]

justinh:

you'll lose anything recorded or added since the backup

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spirit3:

Well this is exactly what I've done – restored from last backup

[08:35:52]

spirit3:

I'd rather lose a few days TV than have a dead myth box – especially as I'm due to go on holiday for a week tomorrow

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spirit3:

I wasn't aware Myth automatically created DB backups

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spirit3:

thanks for your help

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justinh:

oh yeah before any schema update.. it's done that for a while now

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justinh:

so is everything okay now? You still don't know how it happened

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spirit3:

No, I'll do some more trawling through the apt logs to check if any updates were installed on the 10th

[08:37:16]

spirit3:

but everything looks ok for now

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justinh:

sudo fgrep "myth" /var/log/apt/* :-)

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justinh:

gah I HATE this plugin. how the hell are you supposed to test the integration if it only checks hourly?

[08:38:55]

justinh:

oh yeah. WAIT MORE THAN AN HOUR. sigh

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spirit3:

yup, updates installed on the 10th

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justinh:

no, just have whoever approved them killed & problem solved :D

[08:45:32]

justinh:

speaking of having people killed.... I'm still not getting emails from my boss in a timely fashion. they're taking more than 2 days to arrive. IT guy just shrugged

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justinh:

oh, it'll be because your server settings are wrong. NOPE

[08:47:39]

spirit3:

Hit him with a clueba

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spirit3:

cluebat?

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** justinh makes a new cron entry & fettles the script to use that instead of hourly :D **

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spirit3:

Is there any easy way to drop all recordings from the mythtv db?

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spirit3:

I have a situation where I have orphaned files, mythtv fails to delete them as it "can not be found"

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spirit3:

Well, I *had* orphaned files, these have been removed, but likewise I have entried int he MythTV DB which don't have matching files either

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spirit3:

the old find_orphans.pl script I used years ago is no longer supported, and the new alternative fails with a 'MythDB' object has no attribute '__exit__' error

[09:01:46]

spirit3:

fixed with some mysql brutality :(

[09:07:06]

justinh:

wooo! I made it all work. the importer plugin does actually work after all – I was just being impatient – making a new cron entry & editing the plugin to use that instead of hourly did the trick

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justinh:

hourly syncs will be enough for the site when it's live

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spirit3:

justinh: Which plugin is this?

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justinh:

WP FB plugin thingy. puts new posts onto a FB wall & allows comments from the blog to appear on the wall – and vice-versa

[10:16:26]

larrikin:

does alsa give me a way to convert 5.1 into 3.1 ?

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justinh:

dunno. have you tried asking in the right channel? #alsa

[10:21:50]

larrikin:

nope, usually get answers to ltuae in here

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larrikin:

the goom visual seems like it was designed with 'london elektricity' in mind..

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justinh:

you mean it looks a bit boring & rubbish? I agree

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wagnerrp:

spirit3: still around?

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lyricnz:

with input priority, is lower number higher priority

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justinh:

IIRC, no. Higher is greater priority

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justinh:

I dunno why somebody saw fit to make priority so variable though – surely 10 or 20 levels would be enough :)

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justinh:

this page explains a lot http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Scheduling_Recordings

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mycosys:

spirit3 http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Find_orphans.py

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wagnerrp:

mycosys: yes, he mentioned he used that, and it failed with the MythDB object having no attribute __exit__

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mycosys:

lol jus saw wagnerrp askin if he was round (pidgin hadnt scrolled down) bet that is why

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mycosys:

he did?

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mycosys:

he said pl

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wagnerrp:

'and the new alternative fails with...'

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mycosys:

dammit

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** mycosys needs more sleep **

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wagnerrp:

presumably, it's because hes trying to use it against 0.22 or 0.23, when the script specifically says on the page it only supports 0.24

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justinh:

and let that be a lesson to anybody installing updates willy-vanilli

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rileyp:

ext4_orphan_cleanup: deleting unreferenced inode will fsck fix a problem like this?

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justinh:

doesn't sound good, either way

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wagnerrp:

new user on the wiki... lovemonkeyofdoom

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wagnerrp:

this should be interesting

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skd5aner:

great name

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NewBuntu81:

whoohoo, Friday the 13th (and movies this weekend!)

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wagnerrp:

meh

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justinh:

ARGHHH ....ing ....ing .... !

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wagnerrp:

?

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justinh:

got my FB integration working on my server at home. decided to go live on the real site.. comments aren't coming back to the blog :\

[15:00:26]

justinh:

it totally bites that the update interval is hard-coded

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wagnerrp:

gah... big f-in spider got away again

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wagnerrp:

those bastards are smart

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skd5aner:

justinh: what did you discover the issue was on the home server?

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justinh:

hmm, wonder if I can directly access the plugin php & it'll do the bidding

[15:12:03]

skd5aner:

I know you were working on it most of yesterday

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** sphery is still confused by the spider comments a day later **

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wagnerrp:

sphery: just saw it walking across the top of one of my monitors

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justinh:

skd5aner: the errors I saw were due to the front page linking to an image too far back ;)

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wagnerrp:

it was watching me

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sphery:

ah, a real spider--not a 'net thing

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justinh:

skd5aner: the rest of it was just sheer bad luck & the FB API sucking

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wagnerrp:

as soon as i noticed it, it stopped moving, and ducked behind the back

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wagnerrp:

only barely peering over the edge to watch me

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justinh:

I can see me having to write an app

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sphery:

it's just eating the annoying bugs in your house

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skd5aner:

wagnerrp: he's got your number

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sphery:

wagnerrp: I may have to take your puppet strings later today to see if we can fix some annoyances on trac

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wagnerrp:

sphery: yeah, but i know at some point its going to come crawling across me, and i cant have that

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wagnerrp:

what annoyances?

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justinh:

aha! the plugin DOES log

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justinh:

to the FTP!

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justinh:

I mean let's go (to the FTP!)

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sphery:

wagnerrp: http://pastebin.com/6xaw3FTi

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sphery:

don't know for sure that it will do what I want, but it sounds like that might make things easier for everyone (and means we won't have to yell at users who do things like http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/9775 (prio/severity))

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sphery:

plus making a real field for --version output should keep it out of the search

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wagnerrp:

im more concerned about #9774

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sphery:

then it's just a matter of editing the 424 tickets at http://code.mythtv.org/trac/search?q=using_dvb

[15:18:32]

sphery:

heh, yeah, #9774--that's the one

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sphery:

anyway, later today if you want to play with it, I'm game for helping

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justinh:

oh that's handy

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justinh:

there's a cron entry called 'tenminutes' :)

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wagnerrp:

sphery: is 60 columns sufficient?

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wagnerrp:

i see 489 columns on the first one i looked at

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wagnerrp:

sphery: unless you intend for users to just ignore that whole 'options compiled in' block

[15:30:52]

sphery:

wagnerrp: it's a text area so it will just wrap--that's display width

[15:31:49]

sphery:

the 60 columns allows for the longest of the first 6 (important) lines (which is actually the not-so-important "Please attach all output as a file in bug reports.") to show without wrapping.

[15:31:54]

wagnerrp:

oh, thats just the display size

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sphery:

that's also why I think 6 rows

[15:32:08]

sphery:

then all that using_* garbage doesn't show up by default, but you can scroll to see it

[15:32:10]

wagnerrp:

not the field size

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sphery:

this being a guess--I've never actually mod'ed Trac, so...

[15:33:47]

wagnerrp:

eew

[15:33:49]

sphery:

also, don't know if the locked ticket field has an explicit order, but IMHO, the --version output should come before it, so we may need to add a version_output.order = 1 (and a = 2 for locked) to organize those (or define them in desired order in [ticket-custom] ?)

[15:34:12]

sphery:

hmmm... might need a shorter label :)

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wagnerrp:

its ordered in the order you define it in the ini file

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sphery:

yeah, figured either would work

[15:35:16]

sphery:

got a good idea for a label?

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sphery:

just "--version output" ?

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wagnerrp:

maybe it accepts newlines?

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sphery:

too bad there's no help... we could use a version_output.value = Please paste the output of mythfrontend --version or mythbackend --version

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sphery:

but that's ugly (and would likely result in that line being in the submitted value)

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wagnerrp:

or <br>

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sphery:

newlines would be great... yeah

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sphery:

:(

[15:39:52]

wagnerrp:

there he is

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sphery:

you got it?

[15:40:02]

wagnerrp:

hes peering at me from over the back edge of my desk

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sphery:

ah, spider

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wagnerrp:

standing there, watching... always watching

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sphery:

wagnerrp: looks like it might accept wikiformatting for labels ( http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/1791 ) if we have new enough trac

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sphery:

wagnerrp: so [[br]]

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sphery:

or \\

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sphery:

or not

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sphery:

ah, that's for in the actual field value, not label

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sphery:

I'm leaning toward --version Output, possibly with a version_output.value default value

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wagnerrp:

no, it says 'all custom field labels'

[15:46:53]

sphery:

yeah, seems http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/925 is the one left

[15:47:19]

sphery:

so they fixed the in values part, but left #925 (labels part) open?

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wagnerrp:

ah

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sphery:

seems the short label is best

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sphery:

--version output is probably explanatory enough--especially with info in ticket howto

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wagnerrp:

you think we might want that 'vote count' thing?

[15:48:44]

sphery:

and creating our own custom css to allow col1 class to wrap is probably ugly

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wagnerrp:

if nothing else, as a placebo to stave off 'me toos'

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sphery:

if it doesn't e-mail, then I'm fine with it :)

[15:49:13]

sphery:

if I get an e-mail for each +1...

[15:49:41]

sphery:

though I do think it would give false impressions that it's used to determine what someone works on

[15:51:04]

sphery:

wonder how upset people would get if we went through all the old (even closed) tickets and moved the --version output

[15:51:08]

sphery:

so we can use search, again

[15:51:21]

wagnerrp:

i dont know about that default text

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sphery:

yeah, I'm thinking just --version Output with no default text

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sphery:

nice

[15:54:02]

sphery:

that looks pretty good. (Though would look better with Ticket Locked :)

[15:54:11]

sphery:

i.e. capital L

[15:54:30]

sphery:

and can you move locked after version output?

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wagnerrp:

try one

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wagnerrp:

it stuffs all that crap into the top, above the description

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wagnerrp:

in one line

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sphery:

ah, yeah... :(

[15:55:41]

wagnerrp:

contrary to popular belief, it is /not/ plain, and wiki formatting does /not/ work

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sphery:

Let me submit an actual ticket and see if it still does (or if it goes into Modify Ticket section)

[15:56:37]

sphery:

it put it at top :(

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sphery:

even in the real view

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sphery:

trying to remember how to delete (#9777)

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wagnerrp:

you hit the 'delete' button

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sphery:

heh

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sphery:

ah, hidden there in the yellow background

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sphery:

and so it's not a scrollable thing, either :(

[15:58:42]

sphery:

we are very limited with this

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sphery:

plain is borked by html

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wagnerrp:

perhaps something i could unbork?

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sphery:

replace \n with <br>?

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sphery:

though we might need to make it a wiki format field and replace with //

[16:00:34]

wagnerrp:

something like that

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wagnerrp:

is it // or \\?

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sphery:

sorr, \\

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sphery:

format = wiki to get wikiformat

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sphery:

don't think any will trigger links in proper output

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wagnerrp:

gah... why does firefox get hosed up and prevent viewing of page source

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sphery:

heh, I've never seen that

[16:02:17]

sphery:

(I'm still on 3.6.x, though)

[16:02:31]

wagnerrp:

it may be firebug's doing

[16:02:40]

sphery:

I could see that causing it

[16:03:15]

wagnerrp:

ive had that up, working on the backend websetup stuff

[16:03:28]

wagnerrp:

ive got job command management nearly working

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sphery:

nice

[16:03:44]

wagnerrp:

but i dont quite know how to do host allowances

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wagnerrp:

since ive got to do it within the confines of a single edit box

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sphery:

I need to see how much has changed since I did my get time zone for the services api, update it, then use what I learn to do a log page for new-logging

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sphery:

allow viewing logs by hostname/app name/pid

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wagnerrp:

use the channel editor as a guide

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sphery:

cool, will do

[16:05:49]

wagnerrp:

its already set up for paging and filtering

[16:05:54]

sphery:

sweet

[16:06:04]

wagnerrp:

all you have to do is set up your own data

[16:06:10]

sphery:

the jquery stuff is the part I was worried about, so having a nice template will be useful

[16:06:26]

sphery:

I normally try to stay as far away from JavaScript as possible

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sphery:

wonder if you could unbork --version output by just wrapping it in a preformat block

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sphery:

i.e. {{{ ... }}}

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wagnerrp:

in wiki-mode, probably

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sphery:

hope that wouldn't make the using_* line cause the form to be 7 pages wide

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sphery:

if so, we'd need {{{ ... }}} around all but using_*

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sphery:

wagnerrp: heh, this is interesting: http://trac-hacks.org/wiki/BlackMagicTicketTweaksPlugin (tip could be useful for the version output, and permission for milestone/priority/severity)

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sphery:

also wonder if we need to set up this field to get spam scanning

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wagnerrp:

ok, fixed

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wagnerrp:

i added a new 'literal' style

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wagnerrp:

which is 'wiki', but preserving newlines

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wagnerrp:

so not literal by any means... but hey

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wagnerrp:

sphery: http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/9769

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sphery:

nice

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sphery:

and it wraps the using* lines for us

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sphery:

think people will be upset with the additional size of the header?

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wagnerrp:

thats my concern

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sphery:

wagnerrp: so, did you put the blockquote in there? any interest in changing it to http://pastebin.com/NkpvH3Hu (i.e. all one para, use span instead of blockquote so it doesn't insert extra space between sections)

[16:49:50]

sphery:

(so span is nested within the para)

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sphery:

heh, and it takes the date portion of the Library API as a changeset

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wagnerrp:

no, i added a new format type that forces the newlines to be processed properly

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sphery:

ah, so it did the blockquote because of the " " before the data

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sphery:

er, " "

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sphery:

oh well, not worth worrying about. I think it's usable

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sphery:

and the fact that it's small test helps with the size

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wagnerrp:

yes

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sphery:

er, small text

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sphery:

heh, just tried re-doing search for using_dvb to see if #9769 is still there and it is--but someone put another --version in http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/9769#comment:1

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wagnerrp:

that someone being the same person

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sphery:

testing with #9755

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wagnerrp:

still picked up

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sphery:

d'oh, it's still there

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sphery:

yeah, because the original, unmodified description had it or because it's actually searching custom fields?

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sphery:

grr... http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/2530 ruined it

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** wagnerrp pokes MythLogBot **

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wagnerrp:

huh... the bot was stalled for 15 minutes

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sphery:

http://trac.edgewall.org/ticket/2530#comment:9 "There need to be a way to specify that a custom field can be searchable."

[17:00:14]

wagnerrp:

and since that information would be stored in the ini file rather than the databse

[17:00:26]

wagnerrp:

you would have to pass in each and every custom field you wanted to filter against

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wagnerrp:

quite tedius

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sphery:

http://trac.edgewall.org/changeset/7569 seems to be how they added it, but I don't know if that helps figure out ways around it

[17:03:37]

sphery:

maybe the attachments are the only way to do it

[17:04:14]

wagnerrp:

or we roll back custom field searches

[17:04:22]

sphery:

or that :)

[17:04:31]

wagnerrp:

since we dont care to search for locked tickets, and we dont want to search for version information

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sphery:

yeah, and, TTBOMK, you can do searching of custom fields in custom queries

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sphery:

er, reports

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sphery:

guess they do call it custom queries: http://code.mythtv.org/trac/query (and, yeah, it allows using --version Output and locked)

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sphery:

btw, is there somewhere to document the changes we make to trac?

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wagnerrp:

i think we have a git branch somewhere

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sphery:

ah, cool

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sphery:

and thanks for taking the time to work on this

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wagnerrp:

or maybe its svn

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wagnerrp:

sphery: the guy complaining about stuttering on his radeon3200 is also using one of those Athlon Neo X2s

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wagnerrp:

a 1.5GHz chip

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sphery:

heh

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sphery:

sounds like a critical issue to me

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wagnerrp:

scratch that

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wagnerrp:

seems its two independent people complaining about r3200 issues on the same day

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kormoc:

it's a 750 mhz chip that he 'x2'ed?

[17:41:40]

sphery:

ah... was wondering what you used to find out

[17:41:50]

sphery:

notice that his 2 logs seem identical

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: its actually not a bad processor

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wagnerrp:

mobile athlon 2 x2, low speed, low cache, 18W TDP

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sphery:

just not ideal for cpu decode of HDTV

[17:43:01]

wagnerrp:

right

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sphery:

though better than a certain person's netbook he thought would make a good frontend

[17:44:06]

wagnerrp:

some people just have no sense...

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sphery:

his 650MHZ netbook that is

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wagnerrp:

'ttvdb.py is taking longer than 30 seconds to respond, how to i extend that timeout'

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sphery:

an Eee PC--aptly named for the sound you make when you find out how useless it is for a mythtv frontend

[17:45:39]

kormoc:

Better then a chromebook!

[17:45:53]

sphery:

heh, true

[17:46:16]

sphery:

though with about 1731 lines of Perl code, you could replace MythTV with a web app that would be perfect for ChromeOS

[17:47:14]

sphery:

heh, wonder who's doing fuzz-testing of Beirdo's MythLogBot -> http://irc.mythtv.org/ircLog/channel/1/2011-05-12 (the multibyte sequence issue)

[17:47:54]

Beirdo:

what?

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sphery:

Beirdo: looks like dewman's comment at http://irc.mythtv.org/ircLog/channel/1/2011-0 . . . -12:17:12:00

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sphery:

[17:50:20]

Beirdo:

yeah

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Beirdo:

hehe

[17:50:32]

sphery:

doesn't like your htmlentity for one of those 3 chars

[17:50:43]

sphery:

d'oh, now some idiot just broke today's log

[17:50:53]

** Beirdo shrugs **

[17:51:28]

Beirdo:

my head hurts

[17:51:29]

sphery:

now I'm hungry for some Creme Brulee

[17:51:40]

Beirdo:

and I want a nice burger

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sphery:

that sounds good, too

[17:53:57]

sphery:

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Beirdo:

because he's s.m.r.t. smart?

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sphery:

heh

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sphery:

when I pasted his, my paste fails, too

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sphery:

(there are now 2 fails on today :)

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wagnerrp:

sphery: its probably extended ascii

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sphery:

http://irc.mythtv.org/ircLog/channel/1/2011-0 . . . -12:17:12:00

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sphery:

wagnerrp: yours or mine?

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sphery:

yours comes out as: Crème brûlée

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sphery:

so yours must be proper unicode

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sphery:

ah, it's the ucirc that's a problem. In EASCII, it's char FB (251 decimal), which overlaps which would attempt to encode a number larger than the 0x10FFFF limit of Unicode.

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sphery:

assuming utf-8 storage ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utf-8#Codepage_layout )

[18:04:57]

sphery:

interesting collision, there

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wagnerrp:

looks like the guy i was complaining about was actually onto something

[18:10:03]

wagnerrp:

the ttvdb.py libraries appear to pull the entire series lineup and process it before returning data

[18:10:22]

wagnerrp:

so on a normal written series, its not a problem

[18:10:36]

wagnerrp:

on the daily show with several thousands of episodes, it takes minutes

[18:11:02]

sphery:

wagnerrp: still thinking we should revert http://trac.edgewall.org/changeset/7569 ? Beirdo might know something about our git/svn repo for our trac customizations

[18:11:24]

sphery:

or do you think we should get approval for the --version Output plan on -developers or whatever

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Beirdo:

we have a repo for trac customizations?

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Beirdo:

we should make one

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wagnerrp:

i think we should get some other opinions before spending a lot more time on it

[18:12:09]

wagnerrp:

Beirdo: i thought we had something

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Beirdo:

I dunno off-hand

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wagnerrp:

but that may have just been a folder of tarred up alterations on code.mythtv.org

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sphery:

maybe we only have https://github.com/MythTV/extras/tree/master/trac_plugins

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Beirdo:

but then again' I'm running at like 40% with this bloody headache

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sphery:

guess we could throw a diff in there to apply?if we decide to go that way

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Beirdo:

that would be a logical place to look

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dewman:

sphery, I didn't know how to spell it....So I used wikipedia. hehe

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dewman:

you can slap me....

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dewman:

hehe

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: do you know much about jquery? or just enough to put the channel editor together?

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iamlindoro:

learning as I go

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iamlindoro:

The channel editor isn't my only contribution the web setup

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wagnerrp:

right, im just basing the jobqueue editor off that at the moment

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iamlindoro:

ah, I see

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wagnerrp:

specifically, i was wondering how much you know about jqgrid rather than the channel editor itself

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iamlindoro:

Anyway, every time I need to accomplish somthing new, I just figure it out

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wagnerrp:

im passing a list of jobcommands into jqgrid to generate the table

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iamlindoro:

This is a really arbitrary question

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wagnerrp:

and in each jobcommand is a list of jobhosts, indicating what hosts that command is allowed to run in

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iamlindoro:

ie, how long is a piece of string/how much do I know

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wagnerrp:

i initially thought i wanted to make another grid inside the edit box to add/remote hosts

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wagnerrp:

but now im looking at subgrids inside the initial grid

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wagnerrp:

but either way, i cant figure out a way to get that internal list out of the object

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iamlindoro:

Why not just concatenate the list of hosts for the grid itself, and then use a modal popup to edit the job?

[20:24:08]

iamlindoro:

That would be much more consistent with the rest of web setup

[20:25:15]

iamlindoro:

and rather than using a grid in the modal popup, use the same approach employed in the SG editor to add/remove rows of a table

[20:25:26]

iamlindoro:

Then the user experience is consistent

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wagnerrp:

still, how would i access that json list from something outside the jqgrid?

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wagnerrp:

could i just dump the whole list into a column?

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wagnerrp:

and then sort through it later in the same manner the edit windows do?

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iamlindoro:

var aRow = $mygrid.getRowData(rowid);

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iamlindoro:

var arrayOfHosts = aRow.columnName().split(',');

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iamlindoro:

(that may be slightly paraphrased, but it's a workable idea, anyway)

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wagnerrp:

no no no... its not just a list of hostnames

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iamlindoro:

getRowData is the jqGrid method to get the array of data for a row, though

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wagnerrp:

its a full object

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wagnerrp:

time limits during which that command can run on that job, maximum cpu time before auto-temination, maximum idle time before auto-termination

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iamlindoro:

Without understanding more fully what it is you're trying to accomplish, it's difficult to try to come up with a solution

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iamlindoro:

But I need to run (literally) right now

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iamlindoro:

Working with data in javascript blows

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iamlindoro:

More or less you have to store data in invisible inputs/divs/etc. and then use jquery to pull out the content later

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wagnerrp:

heres the JSON block im working with... http://pastebin.com/wjD31jd9

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wagnerrp:

but i could just store arbitrary data? and it will retain its form?

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wagnerrp:

it wont come out as serialized text that i have to reprocess?

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iamlindoro:

Personally I wouldn't try to stuff all the data into the grid

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iamlindoro:

I would just put the key values in, then pull the subordinate data with another API method when opening the editor

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wagnerrp:

i wasnt planning on it initially

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wagnerrp:

i intended to have it as part of the command edit popup, one of the accordion'ing panes

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iamlindoro:

The hope with those panes was that they would be consistent in all the editors

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iamlindoro:

ie, always basic settings, advanced settings, expert info

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iamlindoro:

anyway, the point is, why do you have to keep the host settings in the top level grid at all? Presumably your job hs a unique ID, so when someone performs an edit, do an API call to get the host data array for that particular job, then you can create widgets directly

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iamlindoro:

ideally as a table exactly like the job or SG editor

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iamlindoro:

(so that the user experience remains the same)

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wagnerrp:

its just the manner im storing it internally in memory

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iamlindoro:

Right-- I'm saying change how you do that

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wagnerrp:

since it was already readily available, it made sense at the time to include int in the block

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wagnerrp:

i mean its how the data is stored in the scheduler

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wagnerrp:

i was just duplicating that structure in json

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iamlindoro:

ok

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iamlindoro:

Well, don't know what to tell you then-- storing data w/ javascript is clunky, as I said

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iamlindoro:

you have to put it somewhere in an element, then pull it out later if you want it back

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iamlindoro:

I would just ask that however you implement it, that it follow the user interface conventions of the rest of setup

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wagnerrp:

that just seems... an awful way to store things

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iamlindoro:

It is

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wagnerrp:

brings back bad memories of spreadsheets and hidden cells

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iamlindoro:

yep, exactly

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iamlindoro:

Anyway, I'm far from an expert, I'm learning as I go along as I mentioned

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iamlindoro:

I'm sure you'll manage to make things work, my only real concern is for consistency and understandability

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wagnerrp:

right, i know what data i want there, and getting it there is the hard part

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wagnerrp:

once i get it there, i should be able to rework it as needed for consistency

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wizbit:

iamlindoro: you are a expert :D

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iamlindoro:

I would argue that consistency should be an initial design goal, not a backport

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iamlindoro:

ie, we have tons and tons of parts of our code that "work well enough for me" and nobody ever went back to make them work well

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iamlindoro:

eg: The scanner

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wizbit:

does that mean mythtv needs a experts in every country what mythtv works with

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iamlindoro:

But anyway, it's unfair for me to make a judgment on that with nothing committed, so I'll just leave it as a general plea :)

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wizbit:

what other PVRs out there are world-wide compatible?

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wagnerrp:

actually it is all committed

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wagnerrp:

(in the jobqueue branch)

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wizbit:

can mythtv work in Moscow?

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, and pushed? I don't see anything in commits about it for a few days

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wagnerrp:

pushed two hours ago

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wagnerrp:

(in the jobqueue branch)

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wagnerrp:

only master and fixes/* get emails sent out

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wizbit:

can mythtv work in uruguay?

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iamlindoro:

I am watching the IRC channel

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, github's IRC daemon must be broken again

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wagnerrp:

fun

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wizbit:

i walk 8 miles every day now, i have got rid of my car

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wizbit:

and dont miss it at all

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iamlindoro:

*sigh*

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iamlindoro:

Here we go again

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Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +o iamlindoro

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Mode for #mythtv-users by iamlindoro!~iamlindor@mythtv/developer/iamlindoro : +q #mythtv-users!*@*

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wizbit:

.

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iamlindoro:

bah

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Mode for #mythtv-users by iamlindoro!~iamlindor@mythtv/developer/iamlindoro : -q #mythtv-users!*@*

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wizbit:

.

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Mode for #mythtv-users by iamlindoro!~iamlindor@mythtv/developer/iamlindoro : +q wizbit!*@*

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iamlindoro:

there

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** iamlindoro counts the seconds until the PMs about "Sorry, I'm drunk" begin **

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iamlindoro:

"<wizbit> its my birthday"

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iamlindoro:

close enough

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wagnerrp:

that just means its IRCing naked

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iamlindoro:

Ah, he's in his birthday *suit* then

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wagnerrp:

!seen RDVLinux

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MythLogBot:

RDVLinux has not been seen here

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wagnerrp:

!seen RDV_Linux

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MythLogBot:

RDV_Linux was last seen 5 days 3 hours 4 minutes 28 seconds ago

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dashs:

Is there a good PCI capture card (ATSC) that is recommended?

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, I wrote him an e-mail a week or two ago just to see if he was doing well-- no response but good to see that he popped in recently-- it was a few hundred days before that

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: yeah, just wondering about that ttvdb.py issue on the mailing list

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wagnerrp:

seems it simply cant handle a show like the daily show, 16 seasons, 150–200 episodes/season

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wagnerrp:

it will handle it just fine, but at least on my backend, it sits there churning through data for about 2 minutes

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wagnerrp:

!url tuners

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MythLogBot:

tuners: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hardwar . . . _Information

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wagnerrp:

dashs: ^^^

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