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Thursday, May 12th, 2011, 00:00 UTC
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[00:05:19] wagnerrp: sphery: house trying to fix bullet wounds now?
[00:05:55] wagnerrp: NewBuntu81: lirc 0.9.0 supports mceusb remotes just fine
[00:06:30] sphery: heh, I'm guessing Taub did it--would have required a good plastic surgeon
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[00:20:14] NewBuntu81: hmmm, but shouldn't the option be under: option 1) driver configuration, then option 8 usb devices?
[00:20:28] NewBuntu81: I cant seem to find the Windows Media Center listed in any of the categories
[00:20:43] NewBuntu81: That's why was wondering if it was removed in lirc 0.9.0
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[00:27:01] wagnerrp: hahahah
[00:27:32] wagnerrp: Rod Smith is using JYAs builds
[00:27:54] wagnerrp: and for a moment, i was confused as i always thought his builds were ubuntu, and kormoc runs gentoo
[00:28:33] sphery: heh, yeah, we should really make one of those 2 change his name
[00:29:02] sphery: way too close, so it's easy to mis-read
[00:35:45] lyricnz: Okay, getting pretty close to giving up on my quad-tuner. Seems to be skipping, mutex discontuity etc.
[00:36:00] lyricnz: What's a good, basic, cheap :) DVB tuner available in AU with good linux support?
[00:40:38] NULL[NULL[0]]: is anyone running mythtv 0.24 or "newer" ?
[00:40:48] wagnerrp: yes
[00:41:19] NULL[NULL[0]]: is it stable on your side ?
[00:43:17] wagnerrp: yes
[00:43:36] NULL[NULL[0]]: what kind of tuners do you have on it ?
[00:43:46] ** lyricnz running 0.24+fixes here, works fine. **
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[00:43:59] lyricnz: Apart from my skipping issue, which is probably DVB hardware related
[00:44:21] sphery: 0.24-fixes here, and it's rock solid stable
[00:44:38] wagnerrp: hdhomerun, pvr-150, pvr-1250
[00:44:40] sphery: make sure you're using 0.24-fixes, though, and not 0.24 release tarball
[00:45:20] lyricnz: I'm running 0.24 fixes, git revision 464fa28373 – which is March
[00:45:35] lyricnz: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Release_Notes_-_0.24-fixes
[00:45:52] NULL[NULL[0]]: I took the latest from github yesterday to see if it was improving my troubles with the official 0.24, but no big improvement till now
[00:46:47] mycosys: lyricnz: lot of people over here seem to be recommending the sony playtv for tuners
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[00:54:32] lyricnz: Hmmm, my git-foo is weak. Is this right? git clone --branch fixes/0.24 https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv.git
[00:56:37] wagnerrp: NULL[NULL[0]]: we cant help you unless you tell us what your troubles are
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[00:58:31] NULL[NULL[0]]: I just wanted some feedback on 0.24, especially with a mix similar to mine, I'll just dig a bit more on my side, and come back to you later
[01:06:28] wagnerrp: tell us what your system is, and we can give some feedback
[01:08:12] NULL[NULL[0]]: kernel 2.6.37 bttv + ivtv + saa7134 on x86–32
[01:09:04] NULL[NULL[0]]: saa7134 (analog + DVB-T)
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[01:21:42] NewBuntu81: What is a kernel srpm?
[01:21:50] NewBuntu81: context: "The least disaster-prone(*) route would be to grab the kernel srpm for
[01:21:50] NewBuntu81: the kernel you're running and install it."
[01:25:50] highzeth: 'source rpm', if your nick holds true, you should read up on 'build-dep' instead of rpm's tho
[01:28:56] NewBuntu81: i'm running fedora for the backend. frontend is mythbuntu
[01:31:06] sphery: jpabq-: don't you realize that devs are supposed to buy the same cheap (bad-quality) mobos with poor USB controllers that users get so the devs can feel the pain, too?
[01:31:30] sphery: wonder if that's the wrong jpabq
[01:32:29] jpabq: :)
[01:33:24] sphery: that said, I have bad-quality mobos with bad USB--but I've been avoiding USB devices because of it :)
[01:34:21] jpabq: sphery, When I *first* got my HD-PVR I did have a lot of grief with it. Upgraded my mobo and all those problems went away.
[01:35:51] sphery: yeah, I have a strong feeling that hardware is to blame, and have a strong distrust of most USB controllers
[01:36:03] sphery: still hoping USB3 fixes most of the issues with USB
[01:36:47] sphery: Of course since Intel is trying to bury USB3 (since it no longer controls USB) and make the world switch to LightPeak^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^HThunderbolt, we may never know
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[01:46:57] sphery: jpabq: btw, I'm loving Castle--thanks for the recommendation.
[01:47:14] jpabq: Glad you like it.
[01:47:16] sphery: and, wow, Capt Mal is in this episode (and by that I don't just mean Nathan Fillion)
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[01:47:33] sphery: (halloween costume, space cowboy)
[01:47:42] wagnerrp: wait, the third season is practically over and youre just now starting it?
[01:47:43] sphery: "Didn't you wear that like 5 years ago."  :)
[01:48:03] sphery: yeah... had to make sure it wasn't a fad
[01:48:06] wagnerrp: its a shame they couldnt come up with a more accurate costume
[01:48:12] sphery: plust I got /way/ behind
[01:48:24] wagnerrp: its sorta close
[01:48:29] sphery: still was cool that they even did it
[01:48:33] wagnerrp: hes got suspenders, and overcoat, and gun
[01:50:41] sphery: he's even doing the Mal walk
[01:51:55] sphery: just hoping that they actually have a Vampire Weekend song or 2 in the episode Vampire Weekend
[01:52:25] jpabq: sphery, are you watching it on blu-ray, or just watching current episodes?
[01:52:52] sphery: recorded episodes... have been recording since it started, just hadn't gotten around to watching
[01:53:55] jpabq: Good!
[01:54:08] wagnerrp: vampire weekend song?
[01:54:25] sphery: indie rock band
[01:55:13] sphery: very similar sound to Death Cab for Cutie
[01:55:59] wagnerrp: you know, i want to like that band more, but there's only a handful of their songs i like
[01:56:49] sphery: Death Cab? A lot of people seem to dislike them (especially after they got perhaps too much airplay). I've always liked them, though.
[01:57:56] wagnerrp: they only really had one song that got a lot of airplay
[01:58:05] wagnerrp: and they never played the good version of the song on the air
[01:58:14] sphery: heh
[01:59:02] wagnerrp: i appreciate a good intro, and the radio edit just doesnt have one
[01:59:18] sphery: yeah, they almost always cut those off
[01:59:31] wagnerrp: the intro is the best part
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[01:59:47] wagnerrp: but radio wants someone singing
[01:59:50] sphery: I never knew just how good Pink Floyd's Division Bell was until I actually got the CD
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[02:00:33] sphery: all those songs have intros that get cut (and huge range in volume--to the point that some of the intros can sound like silence if you don't listen carefully)
[02:00:54] sphery: or loudly I suppose
[02:01:24] wagnerrp: thank god for engineers who respect dynamic range
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[02:02:05] sphery: heh, yeah
[02:02:14] sphery: versus overcompression
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[02:03:20] jams: wow time warner is removing tv-guide from basic cable and making it available only on digital
[02:03:34] sphery: heh
[02:03:36] jams: of all the channels they pick tv-guide
[02:03:50] sphery: if you only get 3 channels, do you really need a tv guide?
[02:04:13] jams: sure they play reall crappy movies on half the screen
[02:04:42] sphery: (that displays 700 channels of info--and serves as a wonderful advertisement for all the reasons to upgrade to premium cable since the channels the analog-only users care about are only shown for 3/700 of the time :)
[02:05:15] jams: i only use digital for HBO/showtime
[02:05:19] jams: the rest is all basic
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[02:13:07] wagnerrp: jams, you dont need digital for cartoon network?
[02:13:15] jams: nope
[02:13:25] jams: i do for boomerang
[02:13:28] wagnerrp: so that means you buy venture bros on DVD?
[02:13:37] jams: cartoon network is basic
[02:13:52] jams: but I do have the venture brothers dvds and action figures and a few shirts
[02:14:11] wagnerrp: :)
[02:14:22] sphery: I got S1 on DVD, but haven't gotten the rest... I so need to catch up.
[02:14:37] jams: S1 was the best
[02:14:37] wagnerrp: this last season was very good
[02:14:49] sphery: probably need to re-watch S1 before continuing, though
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[02:16:13] jams: been watching alot of thundarr recently
[02:16:25] jams: it's somewhere between awesome and awful
[02:18:36] GreyFoxx: I LOVED that show as a kid
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[02:18:56] GreyFoxx: must have been 25 years since I last saw it though
[02:19:11] jams: most of the shows still hold up
[02:19:20] jams: some I just can't watch they are so bad
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[02:19:49] GreyFoxx: hehe
[02:20:01] GreyFoxx: now I feel nostalgic hehe
[02:20:02] jams: it's amazing how some scenes I still remember watching as a kid
[02:20:14] GreyFoxx: heh
[02:21:03] ** GreyFoxx goes looking on amazon and ebay for thundarr **
[02:21:07] jams: i should go watch some to relax, it's been a heck of aday
[02:21:29] jams: stupid san. multiple failed physical drives and then the controllers decided to start acting strange
[02:22:04] jams: yeah 2 failed physical drives fail that happen to contain data for the same vdisk thats raid 5
[02:22:28] jams: it was a real mess
[02:22:30] GreyFoxx: I've spent the day in our IPv6 test lab
[02:22:36] GreyFoxx: sounds sucky
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[02:22:50] jpabq: Beirdo, I am sorry your HD-PVRs are so unstable. It does make one wonder why they work so well for some people and not others.
[02:22:53] jams: lets just say there is a reason tape is still around
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[02:23:43] jams: make matters worse the failed vdisk was the shared_home stuff. So EVERYBODY noticed it
[02:24:17] GreyFoxx: enjoy your thundarr :)
[02:24:44] jams: think i will
[02:24:47] ** jams steps away **
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[02:30:41] wagnerrp: jams has stepped away, the sphinx has spoken...
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[02:32:07] J-e-f-f-A: Beirdo: I've improved the reliability of my HD-PVR's to close to 100% by cooling them with a small fan...
[02:32:29] J-e-f-f-A: Beirdo: Like 2 weeks straight with no failed recordings...
[02:33:22] jpabq: J-e-f-f-A, I have a small table fan blowing on mine as well. I thought everyone did at this point ;-)
[02:33:53] NewBuntu81: Mine's right next to an AC vent :-)
[02:34:10] sphery: NewBuntu81: just need to make sure your AC never shuts off!
[02:34:24] NewBuntu81: hahaha
[02:34:25] sphery: set it to 30F
[02:34:34] NewBuntu81: lol, i can't afford that! lmao
[02:34:38] sphery: heh
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[02:34:47] sphery: plus, the heavy coats inside would be annoying
[02:34:49] NewBuntu81: i prefer about 72 to 74 inside anyway
[02:35:06] sphery: I've been in FL way too long... I go with 80F
[02:35:31] NewBuntu81: nice. what part? i've had a lot of friends move down to FL
[02:35:53] NewBuntu81: i did Texas, that was...different. LOL. FL might be ok
[02:35:58] NewBuntu81: :-)
[02:36:03] sphery: central FL on the Atlantic coast... right by Cocoa Beach, Kennedy Space Center, Cape Canaveral
[02:36:26] sphery: FL is very flat, though. I miss the mountains (went to school in CO)
[02:36:30] NewBuntu81: I apparently have family in Tampa too, who woulda known LOL. Never hear from them.
[02:36:37] sphery: heh
[02:36:40] Razal: some parts of TX aren't so bad =) Regions of TX are very different from each other
[02:36:49] sphery: Tampa is nice--and they have some really nice beaches on the west coast
[02:39:25] NewBuntu81: my friends were in an accident last week, totalled their vehicle. they were asking my opinion on mini vans vs suv's. i'm very impressed with the ford escape hybrid's mileage. near 30 in city, over 30 on highway.
[02:39:36] NewBuntu81: but i still want to see like 100 mpg!
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[02:40:19] sphery: oh, wait, I saw a site on the Internet that sells designs for a kit to get 100mpg using water, not gasoline
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[02:40:40] Razal: if your friends are Finding Nemo fans, the ES-CAH-PEH wins hand down
[02:40:45] Twiggy2cents: I had a recording that only recorded 7 minutes this was in the backend logs abunch
[02:40:46] Twiggy2cents: Error: offset>181, pes length & current cannot be queried
[02:40:53] Twiggy2cents: Does that mean anything?
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[02:43:13] Beirdo: my TV feels abandoned. I think I should watch some shows
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[02:44:48] sphery: definitely gotta make time to use mythtv, too
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[02:45:51] Twiggy2cents: Is that a playback error or a recording error?
[02:46:14] [R]: Twiggy2cents: if its in the backend it has nothign to do with playback
[02:46:20] sphery: sounds like a hardware error that happened during recording and resulted in mythtv getting very confused
[02:47:26] Beirdo: yeah, I spent too much time last night ripping LPs, and had no TV time
[02:47:44] Twiggy2cents: Hmm so I should chaulk it up to a fluke unless it becomes more common?
[02:49:30] sphery: I think I would
[02:49:37] sphery: could it have been signal issues or something?
[02:50:08] sphery: might want to reboot the system (cold boot to make sure the hardware resets all the way) just in case it got into a bad state
[02:51:23] Twiggy2cents: Okay, it may of been. It was pretty clear out but maybe the station went down. I lost a bit of american idol earlier. Does mythtv just pause when the signal is lost?
[02:51:51] Twiggy2cents: I can still watch live tv so I think it was a temporary issue.
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[02:54:29] Twiggy2cents: There is no error that is different from the million lines of that one error that happened at the time the recording stopped. There is a ac3 incomplete frame error about 15 minutes into it. (The recording is only 7.5 minutes)
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[02:56:43] sphery: Twiggy2cents: heh, my Criminal Minds episode: or51132: unknown status 0x00
[02:56:47] sphery: locked up the tuner
[02:57:35] Twiggy2cents: I dont record Criminal minds, but that is the same chan as idol and breaking in right?
[02:57:37] sphery: seems it was only used once tonight, for that recording, so I didn't miss anything else
[02:57:55] sphery: Criminal Minds is CBS, yours are Fox, I think
[02:58:06] Twiggy2cents: Nope, CBS
[02:58:18] Twiggy2cents: Wait, I am wrong
[02:58:20] sphery: just thought it was funny since I haven't seen a failure for months
[02:59:13] Twiggy2cents: Well when it rains it pours?
[02:59:29] Twiggy2cents: I suppose it would be more of a drizzle though
[02:59:32] NewBuntu81: So I think i have a gameplan on what to do with my IR blaster. Apparently my model isn't in the mceusb.c config file, so I have to edit and add it then recompile. Problem is, I don't have the mceusb.c file. What do I need to do?
[02:59:42] NewBuntu81: recompile lirc again? hahaha
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[03:00:37] mag0o: google – filetype:c mceusb
[03:01:10] sphery: Twiggy2cents: my errors: http://pastebin.com/qGna5Mgb
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[03:10:31] sphery: I so can't figure out why people keep thinking you can't delete a show when there's no file
[03:10:38] sphery: I just can't make it fail
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[03:27:18] wagnerrp: sphery: is there any way to override a virtual with a method that returns a different type?
[03:29:34] sphery: ttbomk, no--would be dangerous
[03:29:49] sphery: best approach is a different method signature
[03:30:13] sphery: problem becomes knowing which to call, when
[03:30:38] wagnerrp: ive got a base class JobCommand, with a method GetEnabledHosts that returns a JobHost
[03:31:07] wagnerrp: i was looking to return a JobHostDB on the master backend (overridden for direct database access rather than access over mythproto)
[03:31:26] wagnerrp: although now that i think about it, there should be no problem passing a JobHost, and then using it as a JobHostDB
[03:31:43] wagnerrp: as long as i ensure that it will always be of the child type
[03:31:48] sphery: can you make jobhost and jobhostdb related class types (i.e. both subs of one base class or one subclass of the other)
[03:32:00] sphery: ah, sounds like that's what you're thinking :)
[03:32:07] wagnerrp: jobhostdb is a child of jobhost
[03:32:30] sphery: yeah, so should work fine... then the object just does the right thing and the code using it doesn't have to know how it does it
[03:32:34] wagnerrp: job[host|command|info]
[03:32:51] wagnerrp: and then *db variants for the scheduler, and *run variants for mythjobqueue
[03:33:24] wagnerrp: *db overwrites the access methods, *run adds mythsystem stuff
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[03:44:03] zombor: hey can anyone help me out? im trying to use my haupaugge 2250 card in my amd64 gentoo, ive got the firmware in /lib/firmware/`uname -r` but it doesn't seem to be loading it
[03:44:45] mag0o: tried just /lib/firmware ?
[03:44:59] zombor: yep
[03:45:02] zombor: i have it in both
[03:45:28] zombor: i had it on a 32bit gentoo, and it worked in /lib/firmware/`uname -r`/
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[03:45:45] zombor: dmesg just says "cant find"
[03:46:22] mag0o: permissions?
[03:46:41] zombor: it's read by root...
[03:47:48] zombor: could the firmware not be compatible with amd64?
[03:47:57] mag0o: that I'm not sure of
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[03:48:26] zombor: cause this all worked flawlessly in x86
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[04:04:57] wagnerrp: tgm4883: seems you guys are still using a broken version of lspci in 11.04
[04:05:27] wagnerrp: http://www.mythtvtalk.com/hello-new-user-ques . . . 3/#post57204
[04:06:58] wagnerrp: specifically, the brokenness that results in 'HDPVR-1250'
[04:07:53] iamlindoro: wagnerrp, Doesn't that post say OpenSUSE?
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[04:08:10] wagnerrp: oh, my bad
[04:08:15] wagnerrp: i saw 11.4 and thought ubuntu
[04:08:26] wagnerrp: unfortunate lineup of version numbers
[04:09:49] wagnerrp: well im still missing something getting the jobqueue service definitions working
[04:10:06] wagnerrp: the code compiles, it runs, but i just get a 'missing page' warning when trying to access /JobQueue
[04:10:17] wagnerrp: 'cannot find file' rather
[04:11:02] wagnerrp: as far as i know, ive added everything needed to the .pro, set up all the necessary class definitions
[04:11:39] tgm4883: wagnerrp, so we are good then?
[04:11:56] wagnerrp: yeah, i was wrong, false alarm
[04:11:58] wagnerrp: sorry
[04:12:02] iamlindoro: wagnerrp, you missed the changes to mythbackend/mediaserver.cpp
[04:12:46] wagnerrp: yes, yes i did
[04:12:47] wagnerrp: thanks
[04:12:49] iamlindoro: np
[04:13:17] wagnerrp: i figured those assorted registration macros would handle that
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[04:24:26] wagnerrp: kormoc_afk: is your Mac an older 775 system, or newer 1366 system?
[04:25:05] wagnerrp: you might find this interesting... http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2011/05/fir . . . -monster.ars
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[04:40:03] Gumby: hi all. I had a few channels that werent getting data and I checked the db and their xmltvid was missing. I verified the xmltvid at schedules direct and added them to the channels and then ran mythfilldatabase but I am still not getting any data for the channels I edited. Am I missing something somewhere?
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[04:58:35] sphery: Gumby: do you have another channel that has those xmltvids? like one that mythfilldatabase created automatically for you? If so you need to delete it, then verify the xmltvid on the real channel.
[04:59:12] Gumby: hrm, I will have to check
[05:00:10] Gumby: I just did a quick query, only one channel with the xmltv id that I added
[05:00:20] Gumby: does it matter that the channel number does not match up?
[05:02:17] sphery: no, channel numbers are user editable/UI things only
[05:02:28] Gumby: ok good, I figured as much
[05:02:50] Gumby: was 99% sure but figured I'd ask as I am stumped
[05:03:36] sphery: you're using /Schedules Direct?
[05:03:40] Gumby: yup
[05:03:45] sphery: if so, try: mythfilldatabase --dd-grab-all
[05:03:58] sphery: (and any other args you normally use, like --remove-new-channels or whatever)
[05:04:26] Gumby: will do, running now
[05:04:48] wagnerrp: iamlindoro: are the qsp pages cached?
[05:05:18] wagnerrp: nevermind, i forgot to 'gmake install' before checking
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[05:10:51] [R]: wtf, why are the wheels on the cars in canada square? crazy southpark
[05:11:38] Gumby: probably the same reason why we all have hinged heads at the back of our mouths
[05:11:52] [R]: lol
[05:12:03] wagnerrp: what? no
[05:12:10] wagnerrp: the top half of your head is completely detached
[05:13:06] [R]: "this is a horrible day for canada, and therefore, the rest of the world"
[05:13:08] [R]: HAHA
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[06:00:30] banyan: hello — can someone refresh me on the permissions required to get mythweb to work? i get the error that the data directory is not writable but it should be.
[06:01:05] [R]: the permissions are ones that allow the process your webserver runs as to write to the dir
[06:02:08] banyan: which should be in place. apache runs as user apache who owns the data directory.
[06:02:23] banyan: which is 775
[06:03:04] banyan: thanks in advance R btw
[06:04:29] banyan: could it be that the restriction is inherited from the perms on /var or /var/www or some other parent?
[06:05:11] [R]: can you read files in the dir?
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[06:10:58] banyan: ah, i should back up. what dir is this typically?
[06:13:55] banyan: i had it pegged for /var/www/html/mythweb/data
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[06:15:49] justinh: depends where your packager puts it
[06:16:27] justinh: ubuntu, for instance stores mythweb stuff in /usr/share – kept symlinked to /var/www/mythweb IIRC
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[06:18:11] banyan: in fedora here... usr/share/mythweb and its data dir are all apache/apache.
[06:18:24] banyan: and writable
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[06:19:17] justinh: my data dir looks like 755, owned by the user apache runs as
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[06:20:39] justinh: have a look in the INSTALL doc for mythweb in the source. that should tell you what it has to be to work :)
[06:25:03] justinh: doc says g+rw
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[06:30:02] anykey_: Is it possible to use storage groups to have all recordings on the master backend, despite the master backend not having any tuners?
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[06:30:55] wagnerrp: recordings must be performed on the local file system
[06:31:11] wagnerrp: you can record to a central location, but you will need to mount that central store using NFS
[06:32:05] justinh: hmm. my data dir is 755, but that isn't g+rw is it?
[06:32:39] justinh: nope. it wasn't, but it was still working. Heh
[06:32:42] anykey_: wagnerrp: ok, thank you
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[06:36:58] Gumby: sphery: thanks for the help, that worked brilliantly. should I always run mythfilldatabase with --dd-grab-all?
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[06:46:13] bumblebeebat: just wondering what people are using for channel change scripts on there hd-pvr's. Unfortunately firewire is not an option (Motorola vip1216 and vip1200). I am currently using a microsoft usb ir transmitter/receiver, but it is buggy for some reason. I know the HD-PVR's have ir transmitters. I just want it to work reliably.
[06:47:39] justinh: *their*
[06:48:44] bumblebeebat: I know, I picked it out when I was re-reading it.
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[06:54:56] bumblebeebat_: Sorry guess, gnome 3 froze again, did anyone have any suggestions for a really stable channel changing solution
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[06:55:26] bumblebeebat_: *guys*
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[07:18:19] justinh: really stable would be to do it serially or with firewire :P
[07:18:39] justinh: IR isn't considered the most reliable method however you choose to do it
[07:23:03] justinh: pity more gear doesn't have remote input jacks – then you could bypass the IR receiver & stuff controls in electrically – that'd be about as reliable as serial, firewire or indeed network control :-)
[07:23:17] bumblebeebat_: thanks justinh, I think it is the only way. My boxes (Motorola VIP1216 & 1200) do not have firewire or a serial port. They have usb ports. I think these are the same boxes that are used for UVerse
[07:23:44] justinh: I doubt the USB could be used for anything
[07:23:57] justinh: our first cable STB had IR input & output ports
[07:24:11] wagnerrp: that depends, some directtv boxes can be controlled over usb
[07:24:14] justinh: 3.5mm jack sockets
[07:24:40] bumblebeebat_: wow, that would be fantastic if they could
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[08:24:23] lyricnz: okay, fixed my inconsistent device naming. that didn't (as expected) resolve the ongoing errors: DVBRec(27:/dev/dvb/adapter0010/frontend0): PID 0x80 discontinuity detected
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[08:33:41] justinh: either the PID discontinuity is caused by flaws in the signal or there are incorrect CRCs in the data
[08:34:06] justinh: if it was a signal flaw IMHO you'd be seeing it in more than one PID
[08:34:45] justinh: but if your DVB driver isn't giving proper signal quality data there's no way to tell if it is the signal or not, properly
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[08:45:54] justinh: oh dear. yet again BBC 'tech news' bods read stuff into things where they shouldn't
[08:46:48] justinh: i.e. the 'flexible phone to make debut' article. What a load of rubbish. 1. it's not a standalone device 2. It may be 'millimetres thick' but it needs to be CONNECTED TO A LAPTOP to do anything
[08:51:42] quicksilver: you could put enough horsepower into a smart card (that is, a "SIM card") to power a simple feature phone these days
[08:51:52] quicksilver: although you still need a battery and a radio.
[08:53:26] justinh: aye
[08:53:53] justinh: the fact that many phone users now want smartphones with loads of CPU power, notwithstanding
[08:54:32] justinh: LOL at the actual article.. its display (which is essentially all they're demonstrating).. refresh rate is 780ms
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[08:56:23] justinh: they'd probably be wise to patent their gesture system too..
[08:56:34] justinh: s/wise/evil\ like\ Apple/
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[09:15:05] MatBoy: hi guys, are there still known blank page issues for mythweb on ubuntu ?
[09:16:21] justinh: known blank page issues?
[09:16:56] MatBoy: justinh: yes, the webinterface does give me a blank page without any errors in the apache log
[09:21:34] MatBoy: I wonder why this happens, it might be a too new PHP version as I have seen in the past
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[09:32:09] MatBoy: guys, does mythweb needs all packages for the GUI interface too ? so, so I need to have a gnome, or whatever installed where web needs some packages from ?
[09:33:24] justinh: shouldn't
[09:35:48] justinh: not that installing mythweb from scratch is hard :)
[09:38:04] MatBoy: justinh: I thought the same, but I'm installing a normal mythtv + web to see what happens
[09:38:23] MatBoy: justinh: apt-get is easy indeed :)
[09:39:43] MatBoy: justinh: but it's weird if it works now
[09:41:35] MatBoy: and now it runs...
[09:41:37] MatBoy: weird
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[09:49:08] MatBoy: now my backend is not running...
[09:50:29] spirit3: random question: What's the difference between amd64 and kFreeBSD amd64 Debian images?
[09:51:01] spirit3: is it as simple as Linux kernel vs BSD kernel?
[09:54:03] justinh: you'll likely end up having a barrel of laughs (TM) getting mythtv to work on freebsd
[09:54:51] justinh: anyway that sort of question is likely better asked in #Debian
[09:55:02] spirit3: Yeah, this wasn't a Myth question ... just a general one :)
[09:55:21] justinh: but if it's for a mythtv system my advice would be to stick to linux
[09:56:15] spirit3: indeed
[09:56:41] MatBoy: justinh: weird, now I have installed mythtv and mythweb I get this error: Unable to connect to the master backend at 127.0.0.1:6543
[09:56:55] spirit3: after my experience last night with Ubuntu 11.04 on the desktop, I'm seriously considering a move to Debian
[09:57:41] MatBoy: spirit3: mhh... it does not work that well here too :(
[09:57:55] MatBoy: spirit3: I use server atm
[09:58:00] spirit3: I like unity but IMO it's definately not ready for every day use
[09:58:38] spirit3: Switching back to 'classic' gnome was also a nightmare, they appear to have removed bits but are yet to replace them with alternatives...
[09:58:42] MatBoy: this is odd... does it work OK on Debian ?
[09:59:00] spirit3: Getting my Nvidia driver working resulted in all window title bars vanishing
[09:59:11] MatBoy: Ubuntu is most of the time nice... maybe they have that.. wow we are too perfect and nothing can go wrong.... time again
[09:59:12] spirit3: Loads of bug reports for this online
[09:59:28] spirit3: I love 10.10 and I'm back using this for now
[09:59:55] justinh: what? you don't worship the doogy doos they do and go around saying everything is freakin' awesome?
[09:59:58] justinh: :-O
[10:00:06] justinh: HEATHENS!
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[10:00:56] spirit3: I've used Ubuntu for years – I love the fact it JFW's
[10:01:12] spirit3: I don't want to be hacking around at home
[10:01:14] MatBoy: I love Ubuntu a lot... but this is weird again. :)
[10:01:18] justinh: I hate the fact it 2nd guesses so many things & often messes them up
[10:01:29] MatBoy: backend nog running... why ?
[10:01:39] justinh: MatBoy: because it's NOT. check the logs
[10:01:48] spirit3: MatBoy: what's the problem? check the logs?
[10:01:53] justinh: try starting it again yourself first
[10:02:11] justinh: i.e. service mythtv-backend start
[10:02:18] MatBoy: justinh: Failed to init MythContext
[10:02:24] MatBoy: justinh: yeah tried that
[10:02:30] justinh: pastebin the log
[10:03:04] MatBoy: mysql issue I think
[10:03:07] justinh: pastebin the log
[10:03:14] MatBoy: justinh: just a sec
[10:03:18] MatBoy: try to solve it
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[10:03:34] justinh: if you want help, there is no 'think', nor is there any point in trying to cherry pick the errors yourself
[10:03:38] justinh: :-)
[10:04:04] spirit3: justinh: He probably just spotted something obvious ;)
[10:04:23] justinh: many a time a user has posted a line from a log, thinking it was the holy grail – then we argue for hours about how much less of a waste of our time it'd be if he just posted a pastebin link to the whole log...
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[10:05:06] justinh: well, mysql credentials don't just change themselves. i.e. if it worked before, it should jolly well still work unless somebody or something changed the mythtv mysql user credentials
[10:05:18] spirit3: indeed – but there's also the all-too-common 1) ask for help 2) go to grab logfile 3) in doing 2 notice an obvious error you'd previously missed
[10:05:29] justinh: never seen that here generally
[10:05:40] justinh: it's usually the case I cited
[10:05:55] MatBoy: ok, mysql connect works
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[10:05:57] justinh: the #1 reason I dislike ubuntu's packaging of mythtv is the mysql stuff
[10:06:29] justinh: the volume of users still coming here for mysql related problems is immense
[10:06:46] MatBoy: justinh: yes, it' s with most packages on ubuntu that use MySQL
[10:07:03] justinh: they all swear blind that they didn't ignore popup messages telling them what was going on and yet... the evidence seems to point to the contrary
[10:07:10] spirit3: Yes I'd agree with that – it tries to make it easy for newbies (which can only be a good thing) but makes it a nightmare for anyone who knows what they're doing
[10:07:22] spirit3: It took me a day to just figure out what the root mysql password was :s
[10:07:40] justinh: spirit3: also for anybody who just sits there hitting return to dismiss the popups without reading
[10:07:55] MatBoy: hehe, I own a lot of Ubuntu servers.... but am new to MythTV :)
[10:08:11] justinh: so. this backend log then.. where is it?
[10:08:27] MatBoy: justinh: here it comes
[10:09:11] spirit3: justinh: brace yourself
[10:11:03] justinh: this is gonna be one of those where I log back in tomorrow, resume the screen session & see I was mentioned at 3am
[10:11:34] MatBoy: justinh: here it comes... last part of it... weird about the MySQL setup... where I can login using the mysql.txt http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/2057298
[10:12:20] justinh: er was mythtv even working before you installed mythweb?
[10:12:38] MatBoy: justinh: it' s a server without gnome or anything
[10:12:51] justinh: or anything?
[10:12:57] MatBoy: xfce
[10:13:01] MatBoy: or kde
[10:13:11] MatBoy: so no gui
[10:13:28] justinh: meaning? you've not got a backend on there either?
[10:13:42] justinh: so this is intended to be a separate machine just for mythweb?
[10:14:18] MatBoy: justinh: I did a apt-get install mythtv mythweb
[10:14:19] justinh: I mean, you might have a different box with mythbackend on there etc.. and you just want this box to be a mythweb thing
[10:14:28] justinh: so you've not run mythtv-setup
[10:14:33] justinh: and guess what... :-D
[10:14:53] MatBoy: justinh: I get an GTK error on the commandline when I run that :)
[10:15:02] justinh: you better explain what it is exactly you're trying to achieve
[10:15:30] justinh: just a standalone box, no other mythtv systems on the network.. and run mythweb ?
[10:15:31] MatBoy: sudo mythtv-setup
[10:15:32] MatBoy: xprop: unable to open display ''
[10:15:32] MatBoy: (zenity:1515): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:
[10:15:34] MatBoy: (zenity:1516): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:
[10:15:42] MatBoy: sorry for the multiple lines
[10:15:54] MatBoy: nope, just a standalone box
[10:16:09] justinh: this isn't gonna work like that
[10:16:17] MatBoy: so I need a GUI ?
[10:16:34] justinh: what the heck are you trying to do?
[10:16:44] justinh: I mean why do you think you need mythweb?
[10:17:04] justinh: just for a web server to list your media on some server somewhere?
[10:17:09] MatBoy: this device is going to be controlled from the webinterface
[10:17:19] justinh: what device?
[10:17:25] MatBoy: no, it needs to play some movies on a screen
[10:17:38] justinh: mythweb can't do that
[10:17:44] MatBoy: mhh
[10:17:52] MatBoy: what should I use for that than ?
[10:18:28] justinh: so uhhh.. if there's no screen.. wth are you going to use to view the movies? :P
[10:18:43] justinh: mythweb isn't a web-based media player
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[10:19:13] MatBoy: justinh: it's just a dumb monitor in a room that shows movies, now using xp and mediaplayer and confugured using uvnc...
[10:19:38] MatBoy: so I want to use mythtv to play it on the screen and admin it using a webinterface
[10:19:52] MatBoy: the pc itself is hidden behind the wall
[10:19:53] justinh: sigh
[10:19:59] MatBoy: no keyboard or mouse :)
[10:20:07] MatBoy: get it ?
[10:20:21] justinh: no keyboard or mouse but it needs a web interface?
[10:20:27] MatBoy: yep
[10:20:57] justinh: a WEB interface. You know, the medium best navigated with keyboard and mouse
[10:21:17] MatBoy: webinterface... using another PC !!
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[10:21:24] MatBoy: is it that difficult ?
[10:21:35] justinh: sounds like you've never heard of XBMC
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[10:21:48] justinh: that's more of a media player you can control with a web remote
[10:22:12] justinh: it's much nicer IMHO, to use a *real* remote though
[10:22:48] MatBoy: yeah true... but what is the good thing @ mythtv than comparing it to xbmc :)
[10:23:07] MatBoy: I'm not that into mediaplayers... I'm an administrator and network engineer :)
[10:23:41] justinh: TELEVISION
[10:23:47] justinh: that's what mythtv does that XBMC doesn't
[10:24:09] MatBoy: ah ok
[10:24:11] MatBoy: thanks )
[10:24:12] MatBoy: :)
[10:24:15] justinh: it *excels* at TV, hence the TV in the name
[10:24:27] MatBoy: I have a good tv using PS media player :P
[10:24:35] MatBoy: yeah true
[10:24:39] MatBoy: I love you :)
[10:24:40] MatBoy: thanks
[10:25:20] justinh: I dunno if even XBMC will allow you to get the level of control you want, though
[10:25:41] MatBoy: let' s see :)
[10:25:54] justinh: certainly if you want to stick to running windows it'll likely be a better option than a mythtv frontend
[10:26:01] MatBoy: I create most nice webpanels myself... but media... not my part
[10:26:14] MatBoy: xmbc looks good
[10:26:17] MatBoy: installing it now
[10:26:33] justinh: on the windows machine, not the linux box
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[10:29:26] spirit3: XBMC works very well on both Widnows and Linux
[10:29:40] spirit3: IMO the whole interface is much nicer than MythTV
[10:29:47] justinh: no, but he said the movie showing box was running windows
[10:29:55] justinh: AHHHHHHHHHHHH SHUT UP
[10:30:06] justinh: IMO, people need to stop comparing XBMC with mythtv
[10:30:39] justinh: and if we had one line of code for everybody who ever frickin made a comment like that maybe the mythtv UI would also be animated
[10:33:22] justinh: as it stands now, everything an XBMC skin can do, mythtv can do – apart from move stuff around
[10:34:02] justinh: so all that basically separated mythtv is a perceived lack of theme contributions. Not much you're going to do about that
[10:35:05] MatBoy: spirit3: justinh WAS indeed... installed ubuntu on the box
[10:35:52] justinh: mind, of the new generation of mythtv themes there's only one I'd come close to using myself
[10:40:09] justinh: actually not come close to.. I *would* use. But my wife didn't like it :-\
[10:46:57] spirit3: justinh: I wasn't slating MythTV – just stating the the UI to XBMC was slicker, the way everything integrates with the 'home' screen etc. I don't personally use it as i can't be arsed with exiting Myth – and it's all just eye candy at the end of the day.
[10:47:48] spirit3: I don't think you can avoid comparisions as functionality is similar
[10:47:55] justinh: mythtv *really* meeds more talented designing going on
[10:48:42] spirit3: With the possibility of winding you up further – the XBMC 'myth' plugin now works very well too, the TV guide, live TV, with the XBMC 'home' overlayed ... I do like it
[10:48:53] spirit3: and agree MythTV would benefit from some talented designers
[10:49:28] justinh: it really grinds my gears when I see new themes come out & they're *still* not a patch on what XBMC skin teams are doing
[10:49:57] spirit3: Any idea why this is? Is XBMC perceived as the sexier project?
[10:49:59] justinh: I know how much work it is to make mythtv themes too, and it breaks my heart to see yet more uninspiring efforts
[10:50:39] spirit3: I guess MythTV is a Linux application, an OS used by geeks with typically very little design/UI experience
[10:50:39] justinh: that makes me something of a hypocrite, but I just can't see anything in any theme other than arclight that makes me go 'yes! I want that!"
[10:51:01] justinh: AFAIK a lot of people who work on XBMC skins are professionals
[10:51:44] spirit3: that would explain it – and I guess the multi-platform nature of it attracts a much wider audience
[10:51:48] justinh: and the big difference is, not one of the latest ones they've got is a one man effort
[10:52:12] spirit3: You're average professional graphic designers probably don't care too much for something that runs only under an OS they have no clue about
[10:52:32] justinh: I don't think it's even the OS necessarily
[10:52:41] justinh: look how many windows app GUIs look like arse
[10:53:05] justinh: I mean even the windows UI looks like ass :)
[10:53:16] justinh: less than linux desktos do, mind
[10:53:18] spirit3: true
[10:54:00] spirit3: I guess XBMC started off on chipped XBox's too – and the demoscene / hackscene has always attracted very talented people
[10:54:02] justinh: and as I've already said there is nothing xbmc can do in terms of looks that mythui can't do – technically
[10:54:18] justinh: all it needs is for somebody to come along & make it so
[10:54:44] spirit3: perhaps we need to take a clue from the Amiga world and start a bounty
[10:55:02] justinh: the home screen integration might be slightly trickier – but the bare bones is all there – somebody'd need to make a notifying widget version for some plugins like mythweather, mythnews etc
[10:55:17] spirit3: I'd happily contribute cash if that's what it took
[10:55:42] justinh: but I've never been sure that anybody really needs to have a news ticker on a menu screen, or a weather gadget on the menu itself
[10:56:04] spirit3: I've had years of MythTV for free – if 20 ukp donation was needed to encourage UI development then I'd happily contribute
[10:56:15] ** justinh used to take donations **
[10:56:36] justinh: but with those came ever more stupid requests for changes
[10:57:04] justinh: I don't mean the people who donated asked for features. they never did, to their credit :-)
[10:57:19] spirit3: I think if we had a proper bounty, with set and limited (but sane) requirements, it could work
[10:57:52] justinh: animation isn't too far off in mythui, nor are snazzy effects even XBMC doesn't have
[10:58:06] justinh: and the shout for theme teams has already gone out
[10:58:15] justinh: and so far there hasn't been much of a response
[10:59:59] MatBoy: mhh xbmc is not going to be it
[11:00:29] xxtjaxx: why?
[11:01:03] MatBoy: web interface is not that easy and it lacks on natty to install it seems
[11:01:18] justinh: what exactly are you aiming for?
[11:01:37] justinh: describe the experience you're looking for
[11:01:42] justinh: in some more detail
[11:01:47] xxtjaxx: MatBoy: The web interface thing you see in system is an XML-based rpc to control xbmc
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[11:02:04] xxtjaxx: justinh: not a gui
[11:02:11] justinh: arghhh
[11:02:21] MatBoy: xxtjaxx: yeah it' s an api
[11:02:28] xxtjaxx: there is an Android App though.
[11:02:52] justinh: so why not just use a frkcin remote control instead of another machine?
[11:03:02] xxtjaxx: MatBoy: yup. Friend of mine went nutty once he 1) first saw an xbmc and 2) used that app
[11:03:04] MatBoy: xxtjaxx: I need seme player that can be managed by a webgui and displays to the normal vag output
[11:03:07] justinh: like use the display you're looking at in front of you
[11:03:10] MatBoy: *vga
[11:03:21] xxtjaxx: ^^
[11:03:54] justinh: and by 'manage' you mean select a media item from some whizz-bang smooth scrolling gallery type gadget & it'll play on a remote display
[11:04:11] justinh: well, AFAIK no such thing exists to run on a PC
[11:04:15] xxtjaxx: justinh: Consider a media box without a tv card/IR-Input
[11:04:34] justinh: consider that you can get remotes which do not require a TV card
[11:05:04] xxtjaxx: justinh: yes and what is recieving the Remote copntrol messages?
[11:05:15] justinh: an IR receiver
[11:05:23] justinh: like the USB ones you can buy
[11:05:36] justinh: or an RF one
[11:05:44] justinh: or a bluetooth one...
[11:05:50] xxtjaxx: 1. not integrated 2. maybe not supported 3. not pretty
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[11:06:12] justinh: I've no idea what your idea of a well integrated system is
[11:06:25] justinh: the box doing the playback is in another room anyway
[11:06:30] xxtjaxx: One clean box no extra warts.
[11:06:31] justinh: so RF or BT would be a better way
[11:06:41] xxtjaxx: I c.
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[11:06:56] justinh: one clean box – APART FROM THE BLOODY UGLY PC HE'S DOING THE CONTROLLING WITH! LOL
[11:06:59] xxtjaxx: justinh: Whats your setup s far?
[11:07:30] xxtjaxx: justinh: ? wtf ar you talking about? An android phone is not an ugly pc.
[11:07:52] justinh: I mean, having a PC to do all the media playback yet requiring another computer to control it.. is just STUPID IMHO
[11:08:22] xxtjaxx: xbmc web its JUST ONE other possibillity to control it you dont need to use it.
[11:08:32] justinh: he said – I mean MatBoy said – he's got a TV in a room, with a PC behind the wall, and wants to use a web browser, on a DIFFERENT PC to control it
[11:09:04] justinh: so I'm thinking why not just use a remote control instead, like a sane person
[11:09:14] justinh: why does it have to be a web thing on a PC?
[11:09:20] xxtjaxx: well.. MatBoy sorry for rambling away then. Why do you think this is a good idea?
[11:09:33] xxtjaxx: justinh: *sorry*
[11:09:51] justinh: if he meant 'PC' as in a nasty ATX box like I take people saying 'PC' means – not like TABLET or something... then yeah.. I think it's a daft idea
[11:10:34] xxtjaxx: MatBoy: you can talk to us. We'll be nice.
[11:11:03] justinh: I'm just frothing because the case hasn't been adequately explained
[11:11:21] justinh: there's probably some valid reason for all this – but the needs haven't been explained enough
[11:11:37] xxtjaxx: justinh: then stop frothing and ask for clearance instead of rambling off on bollocks
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[11:11:46] justinh: I have asked for clearance
[11:11:53] justinh: there has been none forthcoming
[11:12:10] xxtjaxx: cause you were annoying him quite clearly
[11:12:28] justinh: whatever
[11:13:15] justinh: that's what happens when people come here asking for help & they don't answer questions which might conceivably be asked to clarify what they're looking for
[11:13:44] xxtjaxx: man you rly wanna anoy me to dont you?
[11:16:14] justinh: you wouldn't be the first today
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[11:20:01] xxtjaxx: justinh: http://xbmc.org/freezy3k/2010/07/13/official- . . . for-android/
[11:20:04] justinh: back to the problem then.. a web interface for selecting/managing content to play on another system.. can't really say I've seen anything like that. I suggested XBMC's web remote because I imagined that'd allow such a thing. Maybe what's needed is a movies equivalent of squeezeserver. It hasn't even been explained why all this has to happen in a browser as opposed to via a remote control, RF wireless or otherwise -
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[11:20:21] justinh: xxtjaxx: that's the thing. he didn't say android device. he said PC :)
[11:20:30] justinh: not just PC, but web browser
[11:21:16] justinh: so on that level I think he's probably out of options – which – fair play isn't the end of the world because there are nicer ways that don't involve a 2nd full PC :)
[11:21:37] seeker: Mythweb + "play on frontend"? Or am I missing something?
[11:23:15] justinh: seeker: the 'server' he's using doesn't have any means of using a GUI, so mythtv-setup is gonna be tricky. Yes I know about x-forwarding but not having even a minimal DE installed is putting the kybosh on that
[11:23:58] justinh: and I will never recommend anybody use mythtv if they're not bothering with the TV stuff
[11:24:07] justinh: it's way more complex than they need for that
[11:24:50] seeker: Oh, sorry, only just connected. Assumed that the mythtv-users channel would, you know, be helping someone with a mythtv problem ;)
[11:26:24] xxtjaxx: justinh: headless box in the basement? UPNP? SMB Share... DLNA(or whats its face?)
[11:27:15] justinh: why are you asking me? :-)
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[11:28:29] justinh: if I had a TV in a room with a PC behind the wall doing movie playback FWIW I would just use a conventional remote with it. Pretty clean – IR recievers can be hidden – or maybe I'd use an RF remote. Failing those, I could install the remote app on my smartphone & use that to control the playback instead
[11:29:18] justinh: heck, one of these days my mythtv frontend is going to live in the cupboard under the stairs, with HDMI, IR cabling run into the room under the floor
[11:32:03] justinh: seeker: so can 0.24 mythweb video listing let you play mythvideo videos on an enabled frontend?
[11:32:17] justinh: I know 0.23 lets you select recordings to play via that method
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[11:38:08] wagnerrp: justinh: mythweb should not really be used for video since 0.22
[11:38:18] wagnerrp: it has never gotten a proper conversion to storage groups
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[11:39:33] wagnerrp: with the http streaming method now supporting the videometadata table directly, and the scanner integrated into the backend, this should be considerably easier to accomplish now
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[11:40:37] Twiggy2cents: is fox canceling breaking in?
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[11:48:12] seeker: justinh: No idea, not looked
[11:48:23] justinh: I'm guessing a big NO then :-)
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[13:23:41] justinh: doo de doo... trying to get wordbooker to pull comments on FB posts into wordpress..
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[14:26:50] mycosys: curious – how do you guys reckon a master backend would go on a cheap SSD with 38MB/s sustained read, 15MB/s sustained write?
[14:30:01] justinh: depends whether you're storing video on there or not
[14:30:13] justinh: not still, 15MB/sec is still quite a lot of video
[14:30:22] justinh: s/not/but/
[14:30:34] hashbang: mycosys: SD DVB-T is about 24Mbit/s, so only 3MB/s for all the channels on a given mplex
[14:31:08] mycosys: nah – media will be on mechanicals
[14:31:10] hashbang: mycosys: being SSD, no seek times
[14:31:34] justinh: the database stuff won't need anything like that I don't think
[14:31:47] mycosys: is very tempting – 8GB SSD for $30
[14:31:54] hashbang: my gut says I'd side with justinh
[14:32:12] hashbang: in spite of all the cargo cult stuff about putting your database on a different spindle to your media
[14:32:34] mycosys: the database would be on it, along with the OS and myth
[14:32:43] mycosys: media would be on 3TB of mechanicals
[14:32:44] sid3windr: mycosys: where do you find that? :)
[14:32:46] hashbang: (I wasn't aware of that "recommendation" when I first set up my Myth box, never had any problems)
[14:32:59] justinh: I'd consider moving to SSD for that :-)
[14:33:08] justinh: hashbang: nor me :)
[14:33:15] mycosys: http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Kingspec-1-8-SATA- . . . 280663038013
[14:33:29] justinh: I guess you could find out by using iostat when myth is hitting the db :)
[14:33:56] hashbang: justinh: AFAICS, providing there's a reasonable amount of RAM, the OS should buffer accordingly
[14:33:59] justinh: oh buggeration. I give up trying to integrate FB with WP
[14:34:47] mycosys: the 16G version is $45 – quite a few sellers with em by the looks
[14:34:48] hashbang: mycosys: I'd be more worried about the MTBF
[14:35:10] hashbang: mycosys: as even the good SSDs reportedly fail quite quickly and suddenly
[14:35:11] justinh: beware of fakes
[14:35:45] mycosys: yeah – tho if you were going to fake something, would you choose kingspec???
[14:35:56] justinh: who? :-P
[14:36:07] mycosys: hashbang – good ssds now have raid built in effectively
[14:36:15] justinh: nah, they tend to fake what the device *is*
[14:36:39] justinh: i.e. it'll *look* like a X GB SSD, read like a X GB sized SSD, but it might be something very different inside
[14:36:48] justinh: I read about that kind of scam a while back
[14:37:00] mycosys: seems kingspec have been round a while, see people takin about em couple years back for use in lappies to save power, as a lot better than CF
[14:37:07] justinh: not so much fake as in counterfeit branding
[14:37:12] mycosys: ahhh yes, that one
[14:37:29] mycosys: the 4G marked as 16G thing
[14:37:44] mycosys: easy enough to check, and if so have paypal refund
[14:38:27] mycosys: jus wondering if it would be a practical way to go, would it be slow, or good for myth (obviously isnt a patch on my current ssds)
[14:38:44] hashbang: justinh: http://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?p=918 # interesting, too. uSD cards sold as higher-than-actual capacity, unknown real manufacturer
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[14:39:03] justinh: they go to quite some lengths too
[14:39:04] justinh: weird
[14:45:54] sid3windr: mycosys: thanks
[14:46:04] mycosys: what for?
[14:46:17] sid3windr: the link ;)
[14:46:24] sid3windr: I wanted something low power low noise in my server
[14:46:37] sid3windr: got a sata<>cf converter off dealextreme to use with a 4G CF I have lying around
[14:46:41] sid3windr: but I wonder if it'll work
[14:46:45] mycosys: no probs :) tell ya what – when u get it tell me how it goes and who u got it off?
[14:46:49] sid3windr: hehe
[14:47:01] sid3windr: sure, but won't be in the next few weeks I think... :/
[14:47:15] mycosys: i had the same idea with the cf, have it all here, but the cf cards i have are epically slow
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[14:47:51] mycosys: think they were 8MB/s read or something tragic
[14:47:52] sid3windr: :)
[14:47:56] sid3windr: mine too but I don't need much i/o
[14:47:59] sid3windr: hehe
[14:48:12] sid3windr: I have IDE<>CF now
[14:48:19] mycosys: me too
[14:48:24] mycosys: just not installed lol
[14:48:39] sid3windr: it's even seen as hdb :O
[14:48:41] sid3windr: not even sd..
[14:48:46] mycosys: :S
[14:48:48] sid3windr: Timing buffered disk reads: 80 MB in 3.07 seconds = 26.08 MB/sec
[14:49:01] sid3windr: not too shabby actually, heh
[14:49:07] mycosys: that is abotu 3 times mine i think lol
[14:49:11] sid3windr: it's just my router :)
[14:49:15] sid3windr: so doesn't need a lot of disk
[14:49:18] sid3windr: disabled swap and syslog
[14:49:29] sid3windr: I'll try the sata-cf route first, heh
[14:49:38] sid3windr: new board doesn't have ide anymore ;)
[14:49:42] mycosys: ahhhh
[14:49:52] mycosys: my server has 2 ide and 4 sata
[14:50:07] mycosys: just bought an ide-sata adapter for it – $5 ftw lol
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[14:51:04] justinh: ok.. I'm officially sick of trying to make this work now. it shouldn't be this hard
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[14:59:48] mycosys: what are you wrestling with justinh
[15:00:09] justinh: getting a WP plugin to automagically pull comments in from a facebook page
[15:07:55] BLZbubba: how well does the ion2 work with vdpau these days?
[15:08:39] mycosys: fine BLZbubba
[15:08:39] justinh: the first rule of ion2 club is: don't talk about ion2 club :D
[15:08:52] mycosys: but dont forget vdpau is limited
[15:09:08] mycosys: and atom doesnt have enough kick to deode what it cant
[15:09:30] mycosys: and atom doesnt have enough kick to do schedule runs on large numbers of recording rules
[15:10:08] mycosys: oh, and atom's power management sucks
[15:11:51] iamlindoro: Sacrilege!
[15:12:38] iamlindoro: It's a well known fact that ION has 10x the placebo effect of a standard desktop processor
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[15:14:18] iamlindoro: nVidia really scored when they beefed up their psychology department
[15:14:31] skd5aner: I wouldn't trust anything branded "ion" – cpu platforms, cars, etc.
[15:14:57] BLZbubba: i'm just looking to run the frontend on it
[15:15:10] BLZbubba: and hdmi to a tv sometimes
[15:15:27] skd5aner: wouldn't the frontend always needs to be connected to a TV?
[15:15:33] skd5aner: (or monitor)
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[15:19:15] BLZbubba: skd5aner: i'm looking at an asus 1215n netbook
[15:22:44] justinh: hmm this could be because I didn't have PHP curl installed
[15:23:00] justinh: but then, will the real server? hmm
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[15:34:37] JEDIDIAH__: you need to see how well ION will do with the content you want to play.
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[15:34:49] JEDIDIAH__: chances are, it won't be nearly as dire as some say.
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[15:35:50] JEDIDIAH__: you can get the relevant GPUs on discrete video cards for dirt cheap if you don't want to buy a whole box for testing purposes.
[15:35:59] justinh: all people are saying is HW acceleration isnt the answer to everything – certainly not when your CPU doesn't have enough grunt for jack
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[15:42:00] JEDIDIAH__: I have an ION named jack. It's a ripper box.
[15:44:06] skd5aner: iamlindoro: I finally got anydvd HD today :)
[15:44:55] skd5aner: iamlindoro: looking forward to experimenting with some of the bluray stuff so I don't have to rely on the ps3 for playback
[15:44:57] iamlindoro: skd5aner: Cool-- It's been well worth it to me (though I bought it before they went to the subscription model and was grandfathered in for lifetime updates)
[15:45:18] JEDIDIAH__: anydvd is very handy in that respect
[15:45:28] skd5aner: yea – I did buy the lifetime subscription, felt bluray will be around long enough that it would justify it
[15:45:37] JEDIDIAH__: handles the odd problem child DVD too (usually Disney)
[15:46:10] skd5aner: iamlindoro: slysoft has a 20% off sale going on right now through 15'th, which was a pleasant surprise
[15:47:16] skd5aner: iamlindoro: any thing waiting in the wings, or major goals you're hoping to work on that hasn't been checked into master yet? I see you're keeping the libs up to date and minor tweaks and behind the scenes features
[15:47:40] JEDIDIAH__: i wonder if that product could survive with a free software + service model since you're really paying for the updates (frequent too) anyways.
[15:48:24] JEDIDIAH__: although that probably wouldn't help the "no linux versoin" problem.
[15:51:39] iamlindoro: skd5aner: The next obvious change to users will be enabling HDMV menus for the average joe-- will probably happen in time for .25. They basically work fine now (Though HDMV menus are the minority of Blu-ray menus, BD-J is much more common now)
[15:52:19] skd5aner: how is BD-J support going? any plans to eventually support BD-Live type functionality?
[15:52:34] iamlindoro: BD-Live is just a marketing term for something done with BD-J
[15:52:42] iamlindoro: nothing has changed in libbdj in a vey, very long time
[15:52:43] skd5aner: ah, ok
[15:53:14] skd5aner: nothing has changed because it's mature enough that changes aren't really needed or nothing has changed because they've ran into roadblocks?
[15:53:19] iamlindoro: I estimate that it will be a year or two before that is functional for applications such as ours-- there has been some recent interest in picking the work back up, but implementing BD-J is a huge scope
[15:53:39] iamlindoro: It's a skeleton framework, and not functional for API users in any way
[15:53:47] skd5aner: gotcha
[15:55:00] iamlindoro: It doesn't help that it requires a particular type of dev to do the work-- ie, a talented java dev who understands how to make the java VM interoperate with a plain C library... and someone who is willing to take on a vast project like BD-J
[15:55:22] iamlindoro: All of the work that has been done was done as a part of GSOC-- and it was an admirable effort, but it's far more than one college dev can do in a summer
[15:55:34] skd5aner: yea, and basically reverse engineer a tightly closed system
[15:55:42] iamlindoro: not so much with BD-J
[15:55:49] iamlindoro: it's very well and publicly documented
[15:56:04] skd5aner: I thought that was the particular challenge with BD-J from very limited readings on it long ago
[15:56:06] iamlindoro: There's been no reverse engineering of any kind in libbluray AFAIK
[15:56:20] iamlindoro: You might be thinking of the BD-J interaction with BD+
[15:56:33] skd5aner: yea – probably what I'm thinking of
[15:57:52] iamlindoro: Specifically, that a disc can come with a BD-J program that interacts with the BD+ decryption and performs new, previously unthought of calculations to verify that the player is licensed/valid
[15:58:33] iamlindoro: That part of it is closed... but I think in the near term the goal is just to make libbdj functional... and even that is very slow going
[16:00:21] skd5aner: oh well – all in due time
[16:01:34] skd5aner: <sarcasm>shocker</sarcasm> – http://mediadecoder.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/05 . . . oin-comcast/
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[16:04:56] sid3windr: now the f-c-c won't let me be, or let me be me, so let me see!
[16:06:37] wagnerrp: hey new, we already have enough controversy
[16:07:42] skd5aner: hmmm, mysqld is spiking to 100%+ CPU in top every few seconds
[16:07:53] skd5aner: what is going on?
[16:08:26] seeker: iamlindoro: Speaking of .25, is there an estimated
[16:08:46] seeker: Timeframe for when it'll hit rc?
[16:08:51] skd5aner: seeker: that info is costly
[16:08:58] skd5aner: first born type of stuff
[16:09:14] skd5aner: ;)
[16:10:09] seeker: Why is BD-J hard if it is well documented?
[16:10:41] wagnerrp: probably because it is very well documented to licensed BDForum members
[16:10:51] wagnerrp: or whatever they call it
[16:11:07] wagnerrp: people of have page large sums of money for the privilege of building bluray players
[16:11:13] wagnerrp: s/page/paid/
[16:11:49] iamlindoro: seeker: No estimate
[16:12:03] iamlindoro: Documented doesn't mean there are people willing to do the work
[16:12:21] wagnerrp: seeker: watch the development of the backend web setup
[16:12:24] iamlindoro: BD-J is VAST
[16:12:43] wagnerrp: as you see it getting more and more complete in its replacement of mythtv-setup, well probably be nearing a freeze and release
[16:13:04] iamlindoro: wagnerrp: I thought we had all agreed that it's unlikely to be done for .25
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[16:13:17] iamlindoro: if that's become a prerequisite, then .25 is probably many many months off
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[16:13:34] wagnerrp: oh? hadnt heard that
[16:13:58] iamlindoro: We are a long, long way from web setup being a replacement, and with only CM and I working on it, it's slow going
[16:14:11] wagnerrp: i do remember discussion about if bits are incomplete, it should be disabled
[16:14:49] iamlindoro: Yeah, I think that we're comfortable with the parts that work being functional for .25, but I personally don't see it being 100% ready for .25 if we're looking to have it done this year
[16:15:08] wagnerrp: fair enough
[16:15:49] iamlindoro: I know that CM wants to see the SG editor be the de facto standard, and I personally think the new channel editor is the best available, but source setup/scanning is still in the "throwing around ideas" stage, and that's the meat and potatoes of it
[16:16:38] wagnerrp: yeah, and those are going to need all sorts of new backend methods
[16:16:54] wagnerrp: thats in addition to the fact the whole startup sequence is going to need to be rewritten
[16:17:59] iamlindoro: yeah
[16:18:33] iamlindoro: We've established what I think is a nice look and feel for the setup UI, and snagged some of the fun low hanging fruit, but the elephants in the room remain
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[16:19:01] iamlindoro: And I daresay we've left some nice examples of how to add backend API services in so doing
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[16:21:51] wagnerrp: by the way, i did get the job editor minimally working last night... http://www.wagnerrp.com/files/MythTV/jobeditor.png
[16:22:08] wagnerrp: im duplicating the channel editor pretty wholesale
[16:22:32] wagnerrp: cant figure out why those checkboxes arent getting set properly though
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[16:54:16] FabriceMG: wagnerrp, in Python bindings 0.24, BE.isRecording(recorder) is always at False for all tuner on salve backend
[16:55:24] FabriceMG: it's work for master backend but not for the salve
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[16:59:18] wagnerrp: that is correct
[16:59:47] wagnerrp: all of those commands work in combination with the scheduler
[16:59:51] wagnerrp: which only operates on the master backend
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[17:01:50] FabriceMG: if I launch command
[17:02:06] FabriceMG: =
[17:02:07] FabriceMG: à=
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[17:02:23] wagnerrp: whoopsie
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[17:03:29] FabriceMG: sorry , natty don't like my mousse !
[17:04:04] wagnerrp: i dont know what that means
[17:04:42] wagnerrp: something about awful beer and styling foam
[17:07:36] FabriceMG: If i launch BE.isRecording(recorder) on master backend, all tuners on slave backend is always at False
[17:08:39] wagnerrp: thats the opposite of what you said above
[17:09:39] skd5aner: wagnerrp: current version of ubuntu was named after a cheap beer (I guesS)
[17:10:05] skd5aner: haha, "mousse"
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[17:11:23] dewman: I prefer Crème brûlée ;)
[17:11:31] Beirdo: people are stupid.
[17:11:57] wagnerrp: seriously, who likes Crème brûlée
[17:12:01] sphery: Gumby: Only reason you needed --dd-refresh-all was because mythfilldatabase wasn't filling the days you were looking at, so you thought it wasn't giving you any data. That said, there are huge benefits to using --dd-grab-all, if your backend can do it in a reasonable time (< 10min at most). http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/449426#449426
[17:12:07] Bezosh: Hi, si possible to select LiveTV as default selection after the start frontedn?
[17:12:12] dewman: its good stuff.
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[17:12:20] sphery: Gumby: and https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/d2822566
[17:12:42] wagnerrp: dewman: that was in reference to beirdo's 'people are stupid'
[17:12:43] skd5aner: yea, I like it
[17:12:44] wagnerrp: :P
[17:13:04] ** skd5aner is slow today too **
[17:13:15] dewman: ahh
[17:14:07] Beirdo: wagnerrp: hehehe. I was actually referring to a retarded PM at work, but whatever works :)
[17:23:06] sphery: Bezosh: we don't have a way to do that in current code, but there are some "hacks" you can use, such as using netcat or similar to send network control commands to the frontend immediately after startup
[17:25:26] Bezosh: sphery:Thanks, I thought about it.
[17:25:33] wagnerrp: sphery: you cant specify a jumppoint on the command line?
[17:25:50] sphery: didn't think so
[17:25:55] sphery: you can specify a plugin name
[17:25:59] Bezosh: there is plugin
[17:26:18] bumblebeebat_: Wondering if anyone has ever played around with a "AT&T U-verse TV Point Anywhere RF Remote Control". This remote functions by plugging a USB dongle into the stb. Do you think it is possible to capture the commands and hang shake from that device and get a PC to do it. This would result in a USB channel change script. I think those boxes are know to have flaky IR. Any thoughts?
[17:26:40] Bezosh: i don't now list of plugins, therefore i cant try it
[17:27:24] sphery: though, doing similar to what wagnerrp is suggesting and setting up a jump point for "Live TV" and then sending that command using network control would be ideal
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[17:27:45] sphery: Bezosh: plugins are things like MythVideo, MythMusic, MythWeather, etc... Won't help with TV stuff (TV is core MythTV)
[17:28:52] bumblebeebat_: sphery: I did not know that we could get network control over a U-verse box. I thought they would be locked down
[17:29:33] sphery: bumblebeebat_: sorry, my comments were for Bezosh
[17:29:59] sphery: I don't know anything about the u-verse stuff... I think most use IR control for them
[17:30:16] wagnerrp: well it wouldnt be ideal, but it would work
[17:30:28] sphery: well, it's "as ideal" as we can currently get
[17:30:46] sphery: meaning it's better than navigating the menu to try to start live tv
[17:30:57] sphery: which is challenging in network control
[17:32:39] bumblebeebat_: no problem sphery, I will do some more digging
[17:35:06] Gumby: thx for the links sphery, I'll do some reading
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[17:40:34] sphery: Gumby: fwiw, I use --dd-grab-all, and I no longer have to worry about running mythfilldatabase --refresh-today when my President has something important enough to say that he decides to interrupt all the networks' TV programming schedules
[17:40:42] ** sphery loves --dd-grab-all **
[17:41:00] katumba1: Hey all. Well, after almost a month of happy happy Myth use, I went to look at my program guide, and it was empty. Ran mythfilldatabase. Came back with error "mythconverg/program is marked as crashed". Ran mysqlcheck -r mythconverg and got mysqlcheck: Got error: 1045: Access denied. Any help?
[17:43:58] wagnerrp: make sure no part of mythtv is running and try again
[17:44:11] wagnerrp: if you still cant, make sure youre using the proper credentials
[17:44:25] wagnerrp: either '-umythtv -pmythtv', or '-uroot -p'
[17:44:46] katumba1: what is the command to stop mythbackend?
[17:44:56] wagnerrp: 'kill'?
[17:45:16] katumba1: just: kill mythbackend ??
[17:45:34] wagnerrp: depends on how your init scripts are set up
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[17:46:15] katumba1: i've tried sudo stop mythtv-backend
[17:46:48] wagnerrp: i dont think 'stop' is a valid command
[17:47:18] wagnerrp: i really dont understand why ubuntu is sudo everything
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[17:47:59] sphery: katumba1: run optimize_mythdb.pl
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[17:48:09] sphery: katumba1: also, make sure you haven't filled up your file system
[17:48:15] richardemorton: Hello everyone.
[17:48:22] sphery: (which is a common way of crashing tables)
[17:49:03] katumba1: optimize_mythdb.pl: command not found
[17:49:24] sphery: you'll have to figure out where your distro puts it
[17:49:28] sphery: see http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/User_Manual:Period . . . the_Database
[17:49:36] sphery: and ignore the cron stuff for now
[17:49:52] richardemorton: updatedb && locate are fantastic tools ;-)
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[17:50:32] richardemorton: I am running 0.23.1 and am looking to upgrade. last time I attempted it the db failed to upgrade. any advice? also is 0.25 in a relatively stable (near end of development)?
[17:50:41] sphery: I'm guessing it's in some /usr/share directory in *buntu
[17:50:48] sphery: like /usr/share/doc/mythtv or something
[17:51:06] sphery: richardemorton: would need to know what failure to provide any useful info
[17:51:15] wagnerrp: development is almost always relatively stable, but there will be glitchy things from commit to commit
[17:51:19] sphery: were you the one who had a charset-related error on 0.23.1 to 0.24?
[17:51:28] wagnerrp: and certain things may be half written
[17:51:36] wagnerrp: it is not near the end of development
[17:51:49] sphery: yes, I run unstable/development on my development machine and run -fixes on production
[17:51:56] richardemorton: is it not; serves me right for making an assumption.
[17:52:00] richardemorton: sorry
[17:52:22] richardemorton: so release is someway off...
[17:53:28] sphery: FWIW, 0.24-fixes is what I like to call 0.24-fixes-and-features since pretty much all of the user-useful new features so far have been backported for some reason
[17:53:42] sphery: meaning there's very little reason to run unstable/development in production right now
[17:53:50] katumba1: found it in: /usr/share/doc/mythtv-backend/contrib/maintenance/
[17:54:08] sphery: I think 0.25 will be a very underwhelming release for most existing users because of that :)
[17:54:33] sphery: (granted, the new setup might be there, but existing users won't really be going through backend setup much)
[17:54:55] katumba1: ran it. repaired/optimized a whole bunch of stuff.
[17:55:28] richardemorton: i saw a comment about mythvideo tables breaking db upgrade. cant find the post on gossamer... any pointers?
[17:55:41] katumba1: ok to run mythfilldatabase now?
[17:57:44] wagnerrp: should be, yes
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[17:58:06] wagnerrp: however mythbackend will automatically do it anyway when it needs to
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[17:59:06] sphery: katumba1: if you're using Schedules Direct, run: mythfilldatabase --dd-grab-all (with any other arguments you normally use)
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[17:59:42] katumba1: ok. how can I make sure the backend isn't running before I run it? Yes, using schedule direct.
[18:00:14] wagnerrp: sphery: the video/main schema merge happened before 0.24?
[18:00:18] wagnerrp: katumba1: why would it matter?
[18:00:33] wagnerrp: mythfilldatabase actually expects the backend is running
[18:00:51] katumba1: i thought the backend shouldn't be running when I run that.
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[18:01:00] katumba1: ah, ok.
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[18:01:59] skd5aner: sphery: I hate the name video source – it's always confusing to me based on what it actually is
[18:02:29] skd5aner: It really has nothing to do with "video" at all, or a video source... etc
[18:04:24] sphery: it's a list of channels available on an input and the tuning information for those channels
[18:04:29] sphery: so it's not a guide data
[18:04:40] skd5aner: yea – not saying it is – but it's also not a "video source"
[18:04:45] sphery: (as you can have multiple video sources sharing one SD lineup or using one xmltv grabber)
[18:05:41] skd5aner: Video source would be... "a source where'd I'd get video", intuitively at least... and that's far from what resides under the setup menu option
[18:07:00] wagnerrp: content source?
[18:07:09] skd5aner: Just sayin' – if someone is volunteering alternative names, that's the one I'd put at the top of my nomination list for "most confusing terminology in mythtv setup"
[18:07:27] wagnerrp: 'how do i input thepiratebay as my video source'?
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[18:08:08] skd5aner: I thinking "listing" or lineup or guide data make sense... but I understand they're not perfect either
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[18:08:33] sphery: it is a video source
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[18:08:45] sphery: meaning it is ""a source where'd I'd get video"
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[18:08:55] sphery: where the only way it's not is if you include the non-video radio channels
[18:09:34] sphery: because it's the source of the programming (which determines available channels and their associated tuning information)
[18:09:59] sphery: so if the source is OTA, it's obviously different from the Cable QAM and Cable Analog sources
[18:10:27] sphery: but I know that everyone hates the name Video Source--and feels personally offended by its use--so I'm OK with letting it get changed to something imprecise
[18:10:45] skd5aner: heh "personally offended"
[18:10:56] sphery: I just want to be able to say thing such that users know what I'm talking about
[18:11:10] skd5aner: agreed
[18:11:26] skd5aner: I have no idea why it's called "video source" – even after your description :)
[18:11:35] katumba1: sphery/wagnerrp: that fixed it. thanks. One last dumb question: the local backend IP and master backend IP should be the same as the actual machine's IP when using one box for both, correct?
[18:11:50] wagnerrp: yes
[18:11:56] katumba1: thank you.
[18:12:12] skd5aner: sphery: I mean, I "do", but still.........................
[18:12:24] sphery: as long as people hate it, it's not a good name for it
[18:12:37] skd5aner: heh – don't take it personally ;)
[18:12:41] sphery: but making it a name that some user feels they intuitively understand means that users won't understand their setups
[18:12:47] sphery: which means users will misconfigure
[18:12:58] sphery: /or/ we have to have code that figures out what we don't care to make them think about
[18:13:09] skd5aner: or... the workflow changes
[18:13:30] sphery: which means we have to have code that figures out what we're hiding
[18:13:41] sphery: if they don't tell us, we have to invent it ourselves
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[18:13:57] sphery: only 2 sources of info here... the user or automatically figuring it out
[18:14:44] sphery: and even if it were possible to rewrite the entire TV subsection of MythTV to not be dependent on a concept of video sources, it won't get done
[18:15:11] sphery: anyway, I'm not taking the idea of changing it personally
[18:15:24] sphery: I'm only taking the idea that people think it's not a video source personally
[18:15:35] skd5aner: heh – that'd be me :)
[18:15:36] sphery: video source is a name we made up, so, by definition, it /is/ a video source
[18:15:38] wagnerrp: no, sphery is taking the idea of him changing it personally
[18:15:41] wagnerrp: :)
[18:16:00] sphery: and, in truth, it's the best name for the concept I've ever heard
[18:16:33] sphery: and, IMHO, anyone who believes otherwise doesn't understand the concept (but only understands some portion of the concept that was relevant to his particular setup)
[18:17:25] sphery: and, yeah, I will admit that "video" could be replaced with some other word if you want to indicate that it could be an audio-only channel, too, but...
[18:17:41] sphery: pretty sure that's not the part people are complaining about
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[18:46:30] justinh: heheheh the old chestnut has returned ;)
[18:47:09] wagnerrp: ?
[18:47:19] justinh: the naming of that thing
[18:50:01] iamlindoro: justinh: The problem isn't the naming, it's our culture of needing everything to be precise instead of approachable
[18:50:15] iamlindoro: Besides, it's already renamed
[18:50:40] iamlindoro: It's "Guide Data Sources" in web setup. Any change will be to something else, but definitely not back to Video Sources
[18:51:53] wagnerrp: new proposal
[18:52:19] wagnerrp: steering committee is disbanded, all further disputes will be resolved by armed gladiatorial combat
[18:52:33] iamlindoro: I think that the steering committee is already more or less disbanded
[18:52:39] iamlindoro: But combat++
[18:52:53] iamlindoro: or even better for me, endurance sports
[18:53:04] justinh: heh. that might do it
[18:53:06] wagnerrp: no one said /we/ would be fighting
[18:53:17] wagnerrp: we get users to do it, and wager on them
[18:53:41] iamlindoro: I am not sure about the appeal of our tubby users swinging sharp objects
[18:54:03] iamlindoro: But I'm willing to give it a try
[18:54:19] iamlindoro: get them into diapers and you've got yourself a japanese game show
[18:55:13] justinh: gah I wish apache logging was more verbose
[18:55:36] wagnerrp: you can make it more verbose
[19:03:08] justinh: doh yes of course. heh
[19:05:51] justinh: set to debug & it's still not enough
[19:13:15] justinh: ahh found it. nothing pertinent to why the plugin isn't working though
[19:14:50] justinh: I had a hardcoded image path ../wp-content so it was trying to go back where it wasn't allowed. ooops
[19:16:04] ** iamlindoro <3's WP **
[19:17:15] iamlindoro: Though not enough to venture my own install-- I let my web provider handle that :)
[19:17:28] justinh: me too, but not enough love for some of the plugins
[19:18:01] justinh: trying to make FB integration work somehow. got comments on posts & pages appearing on FB but not the other way
[19:18:16] justinh: self installs are easy peasy :)
[19:18:21] iamlindoro: All I've added to my own site is Facebook liking-- haven't gone beyond that
[19:18:40] iamlindoro: well, in terms of FB integration, that is
[19:18:41] justinh: yeah I had that & some of the club committee have decided they'd like a FB page
[19:18:45] iamlindoro: I use lots of other plugins
[19:18:55] justinh: endomondo, by the looks of it ;)
[19:19:05] iamlindoro: ?
[19:19:21] iamlindoro: ah, no
[19:19:21] justinh: no? your stats stuff look like what endomondo spits out
[19:19:21] iamlindoro: heh
[19:19:42] iamlindoro: My workout stuff comes from a Mac application called Rubitrack, with some custom CSS by me layered on top
[19:19:43] justinh: I put that on my phone the other week to track my (feeble compared to yours) cycling
[19:20:02] justinh: did a whole 15 miles last weekend :P
[19:20:09] iamlindoro: My GPS watch uploads to rubitrack, Rubitrack publishes to HTML, and then the look and feel is CSS
[19:20:21] iamlindoro: But I'll check endomondo out
[19:20:33] justinh: ah cool. I'm too much of a skinflint to buy any special gear
[19:21:01] justinh: though if I see a cheap enough bluetooth heartrate/cadence monitor...
[19:21:15] iamlindoro: Sometimes getting to geek out on the data is the only thing that gets me out the door, when I am sore, or tired, or whatever
[19:21:48] iamlindoro: And if not that, sometimes knowing that people are actually looking
[19:21:55] justinh: haha
[19:22:09] justinh: yeah a couple of my mates are on endomondo. we compare numbers
[19:22:28] justinh: kinda spurs one another on. nobody local though
[19:23:03] justinh: was cool to find out my bike computer was way out of whack. Like about 50%
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[19:23:26] iamlindoro: Yeah, the less expensive bike computers can be way off, and lots of people configure them for the wrong tire size too
[19:23:38] justinh: even though I'd used the right settings, as incomprehensible the manual was
[19:23:47] iamlindoro: Heh, sounds like Cateye
[19:24:11] justinh: aye but a couple of cm tyre wrongness doesn't make up the comp reading 10 miles when you've done 15
[19:24:28] iamlindoro: true
[19:24:57] justinh: I never expected it to be spot on but come on ;)
[19:25:10] iamlindoro: I refer to my garmin for that stuff
[19:25:40] iamlindoro: Since I run too I have a wrist mount, but if you want real accuracy (and accurate elevation, cadence, etc) then the Edge 500 is really nice
[19:25:56] justinh: I know the GPS isn't gonna be dead accurate either, but it'd be better than 50% off :D
[19:26:16] justinh: see the spike in my last trace.. 219MPH LOL
[19:29:51] skd5aner: justinh: I know a few people who might want to pay you a lot of money if you can bike at 219
[19:30:10] justinh: it was only for half a second, though ;)
[19:30:15] skd5aner: and I'm sure you could get a sweet red bull sponsorship
[19:30:29] justinh: hahaha
[19:31:08] justinh: right. time to consign this plugin to the bin. does not do what it says on the tin
[19:31:21] justinh: no server errors now, everything seems sweet
[19:31:21] wagnerrp: nah, ive seen people up over 250 before
[19:32:02] justinh: or sorry it was only 193MPH
[19:37:17] PeaceKeeper: what is the best utility to rename recordings to a title.S##E##.ext format? Is there a user contrib that will do this?
[19:37:42] wagnerrp: PeaceKeeper: dont?
[19:37:49] justinh: you do not want to do that
[19:37:56] PeaceKeeper: ?
[19:38:11] justinh: making symbolic links with human readable names is a better idea
[19:38:24] justinh: but you won't get season & episode numbering
[19:38:36] wagnerrp: because such information does not exist
[19:38:37] PeaceKeeper: Ahh i agree.
[19:39:03] PeaceKeeper: Oh, so I can not get he S##E## info because it is not on schedulesdirect?
[19:39:12] wagnerrp: correct
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[19:39:51] PeaceKeeper: bummer. ok. I was hoping to get my mythtv recordings into my boxee shows list.
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[19:40:45] PeaceKeeper: Thank you for the help.
[19:41:12] wagnerrp: there is a 3rd party project to provide boxee access to mythtv recordings on a remote backend
[19:41:31] PeaceKeeper: Really? Do you know the name?
[19:41:44] wagnerrp: mythboxee?
[19:42:00] wagnerrp: !seen ekristson
[19:42:00] MythLogBot: ekristson has not been seen here
[19:42:07] wagnerrp: hmm... something like that
[19:42:16] PeaceKeeper: Ahh if ound that but it only works on version .23 or less (not .24+)
[19:43:13] PeaceKeeper: I looked at his page and the code, but I dont know enough about code to try and figure it out.
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[19:45:28] sphery: PeaceKeeper: use original airdate in your links
[19:45:46] sphery: that way, they're still ordered properly
[19:47:29] PeaceKeeper: OK thank you.
[19:47:33] sphery: PeaceKeeper: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Mythlink.pl and search for original airdate
[19:48:55] sphery: FWIW, this is the format I use for my original_airdate directory (I have different dirs of links with different formats allowing different sorting): '%T-%oY%om%od-%S'
[19:51:11] wagnerrp: seems Apple has begun shipping its own custom hard drives in iMacs
[19:51:33] wagnerrp: custom power connector, and custom firmware that if not detected will cause the machine to refuse to boot
[19:51:51] sphery: this is the Apple XBox 360?
[19:52:19] wagnerrp: yeah, something like that
[19:52:55] sphery: so they can charge you $100 for a 60GB HDD and $120 for a 250GB HDD
[19:53:01] sphery: you know, "reasonable" prices
[19:54:19] sphery: (the part of MS's strategy that I don't understand is that the HDD's only purpose is to allow me to store content I've purchased off XBox Live Marketplace--so making the HDD expensive and small just means I buy less)
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[20:02:46] wagnerrp: iamlindoro: you heard anything about this Sony giving away a two (from a selection of five) games for all of the affected PSN users?
[20:07:02] sphery: http://www.computerandvideogames.com/300500/n . . . g-down-time/
[20:08:59] sphery: though when I read the ref'ed blog entry, I don't get where that article came from: http://blog.eu.playstation.com/2011/05/06/sce . . . on-offering/
[20:09:03] wagnerrp: why is someone asking for ubuntu networking help on our mailing list?
[20:09:11] sphery: but it sounds like that may be a "for non-US users" thing
[20:09:25] wagnerrp: 'a little bit off topic'
[20:10:27] wagnerrp: maybe thats for the 24.6M (out of 77M total) users who have purchased something on PSN, and thus have their CC information stored?
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[20:11:35] sphery: ah, here they mention "The thank you package will include 30 free days of PSN Plus for every user, selected PlayStation entertainment content for free download (content will differ depending on your region)..." http://www.tomsguide.com/us/PSN-Back-Online-F . . . s-11031.html
[20:12:07] sphery: amazing how none of it has a good link to information at sony's site
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[20:14:27] wagnerrp: dirty spider, they can discern your intent from half a room away
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[20:24:50] wagnerrp: does class friendship not extend to child classes?
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[20:34:19] JosX: I have a question, I am trying to get my firewire setup, however whenever i type "plugreport" into the terminal nothing happends
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[20:36:13] justinh: hmmm local supermarkets have no cachaca. bummer
[20:36:45] Muzer: can I play two audio tracks from a terrestrial channel at once? In this country on DVB-T, audio description is just the description track without the main programme audio mixed, in order to save bandwidth and increase flexibility. Therefore, both the main audio and the audio description tracks must be played at once. Is this possible?
[20:37:24] wagnerrp: not at current
[20:37:28] Muzer: OK
[20:38:25] wagnerrp: it has been brought up before, but i dont see it as a feature on anyone's plate in the near term
[20:38:44] wagnerrp: there just arent going to be a lot of vision impaired mythtv users
[20:39:01] Muzer: no, fair point :p
[20:39:15] wagnerrp: home theater PCs just arent a big draw for blind hobbyists... :)
[20:39:26] Muzer: i'm not visually impaired, I just find it useful occasionally if I'm not quite watching something properly but am listening to it :P
[20:40:39] BLZbubba: how scared should I be about "optimus" video?
[20:41:18] wagnerrp: optimus? radio shack brand?
[20:41:19] sphery: kind of like how I always use captions/subtitles--though sometimes that's a whole other level of entertainment (especially when the captions are added by commercial companies)
[20:42:08] Muzer: yeah
[20:42:11] Muzer: i love that too :P
[20:42:26] Muzer: for the opposite reasons, if it's too noisy to really listen properly :P
[20:42:41] sphery: and sometimes I learn about just how stupid our language is... Like when they're talking about the mayor on Castle and they say, "his honor,
[20:43:18] sphery: " and the captions say, "hizzoner," and I laugh, then it happens so consistently that I look it up and find out it's an accepted spelling for "a title for a man holding the office of mayor "
[20:43:23] Muzer: I've seen quite a few amusing errors over the years on subtitles, especially live ones
[20:43:30] Muzer: I can't remember most of them really :P
[20:43:43] Muzer: sphery: lol
[20:44:27] Muzer: live subtitles are the best, especially BBC ones which are done by voice recognition last time I checked (some other channels use fast typists still, I believe – you can tell by the types of error)
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[20:44:45] sphery: yeah
[20:44:54] sphery: some of the voice recognition ones are good
[20:46:10] sphery: I think The Tonight Show uses fast typists, but sometimes his jokes (especially for his "Headlines" segment) are actually word play, and they sometimes use the proper spelling of the proper words and other times use the broken spelling/error from the headline
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[20:46:55] sphery: I never can decide which is better... because when they're homophones, you can't say for certain which he's saying
[20:48:21] Muzer: heh
[20:49:50] sphery: Over here, at least, it seems that the commercial, for-profit companies just go through the motions--so you'll have glaring errors like wrong character names (or a character's name spelled differently in different episodes) or errors that are obviously wrong to anyone who's even mildly paying attention to the story (even just paying attention to the words)
[20:50:21] sphery: but some, like the AV group at WGBH (which is a non-profit), actually do a great job with captions
[20:50:47] sphery: er, Media Access Group
[20:53:03] sphery: The best are when there are commercials (which air multiple times with the intent of selling a product) with caption errors (especially ones that make the product seem less desirable)... You'd think that something as short and basic as a commercial would always be captioned properly
[20:54:02] Muzer: I've never seen any problems with advertisements... though sometimes the timing is a bit dodgy
[20:54:22] Muzer: it's actually quite useful because a few songs I know but don't know the names of, I get to know the names of thanks to subtitles in adverts :P
[20:54:30] sphery: yeah, it may be more common here in the US (the land of "cheapest bid")
[20:55:01] Muzer: heh
[20:55:21] sphery: yeah, I love that, too... And sometimes you'll actually see captions for changed dialogue or showing that they changed which song to use in a certain part
[20:55:31] Muzer: every channel, apart from the HD ones oddly enough, pays to render a specific font in this country which has been decided by some institute to be the easiest to read
[20:55:43] Muzer: and TBH they're right – it's a very nice font
[20:56:21] sphery: heh, yeah, here we just send the text--which is a good deal since where you're at all those fonts are commercial, so make it hard to do captions properly (that fit, etc.) in FOSS
[20:56:23] Muzer: well, at least everyone who creates subtitles for use in this country
[20:56:50] Muzer: ah, yeah
[20:57:11] Muzer: you can't even buy the font unless you can prove you have the technical ability to use it – presumably meaning a TV channel :P
[20:57:29] Muzer: I can never remember what it's called, however :P
[20:59:40] sphery: Tiresias Infofont or something like that?
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[21:00:17] sphery: or Tiresias Screenfont, it seems, is the one for TV subtitling
[21:00:25] Muzer: ye\h
[21:00:26] Muzer: that's right
[21:00:35] Muzer: the infofont one you can get for free I believe
[21:00:38] Muzer: not sure how different they are
[21:01:00] sphery: yeah, I think a couple of devs tried out Infofont and it was close, but FreeSans was closer, so we stuck with that one
[21:03:59] Muzer: ah
[21:04:00] Muzer: hmm
[21:04:06] Muzer: I just pressed a button accidentally
[21:04:16] Muzer: that made it say "skipping ahead" on the screen, and seem to play but without audio
[21:04:28] Muzer: then I couldn't get out of it, and tried to switch to a VT to kill it manually
[21:04:36] sphery: sounds like you did a commskip with no seektable
[21:04:38] Muzer: and then it froze so I had to raise elephants :P
[21:04:43] Muzer: ah, I think that's likeliy
[21:04:57] Muzer: but I tried to press play, skip back, change channel, and a few other things and that just got it into more of a mess :Pu
[21:05:31] sphery: SKIPCOMMERCIAL is Z,End by default and SKIPCOMMBACK is Q,Home
[21:05:37] sphery: was this a mythvideo video?
[21:06:04] Muzer: no, live TV
[21:06:16] Muzer: I think I may have hit skip on my remote by accident
[21:06:24] sphery: ahhh
[21:06:32] Muzer: it's quite possible
[21:07:40] sphery: yeah, looks like we allow that in live tv
[21:08:10] sphery: though it shouldn't get caught up like that
[21:08:36] Muzer: I tried hitting: Fast-forward, play (a few times), mute, volume and changing the channel
[21:08:41] Muzer: when I changed the channel it seemed to just freeze
[21:08:44] sphery: or maybe you did fast forward
[21:08:56] sphery: and for that, you stop with, IIRC, space?
[21:09:01] sphery: space/enter (SELECT)
[21:09:06] Muzer: that = bookmark
[21:09:12] sphery: ffwd
[21:09:23] Muzer: the play button on my remote I used, I can't remember what it's bound to...
[21:09:29] Muzer: whatever is default for Mythbuntu
[21:09:35] sphery: probably togglepause
[21:09:39] sphery: which is P
[21:09:50] Muzer: yeah
[21:09:53] Muzer: the play button plays and pauses
[21:10:00] sphery: er, PAUSE, it seems
[21:10:05] sphery: but it's a pause toggle
[21:10:19] Muzer: yeah
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[21:47:27] BLZbubba: wagnerrp: optimus is the nvidia ion2 apparently
[21:47:38] BLZbubba: painful if not impossible to use on linux
[21:48:39] skd5aner: Beirdo: this commit is confusing to me – are new commit(s) being merged into 0.24 fixes?  – http://www.mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-fireho . . . /000100.html
[21:53:45] iamlindoro: skd5aner: It's the same as when someone does git commit->git pull->git push
[21:53:50] iamlindoro: or rather, it's exactly that
[21:54:13] iamlindoro: you commit something, then wait to push until someone else makes a change, or dforget to pull in changes before committing
[21:54:31] iamlindoro: thus git is forced to merge your changes and theirs since your commit came from a time in the timeline before the latest point
[21:55:02] iamlindoro: Or put more simply, "Ignore those."
[21:55:42] skd5aner: Does the intended commit at least get "logged" from a perspective of what was inteded to be changed and commited?
[21:56:04] iamlindoro: It was-- it's the echo of a former commit that had the correct commit message
[21:56:09] skd5aner: So, in other words, do changes sneak into those situations but don't get documented
[21:56:10] skd5aner: ok
[21:56:17] iamlindoro: those merge commits are "re-dos" of a commit that had a proper message
[21:56:38] skd5aner: thought so, and I thought I had seen these before, but for whatever reason – this oen looked a little weird to me... just not on top of it today
[21:56:52] iamlindoro: only difference in this one is that it's fixes/0.24 versus master
[21:57:50] iamlindoro: For your changelog's sake (and for pretty much any other purpose) they're safe to ignore altogether
[21:57:57] skd5aner: yea – thanks for setting me straight
[21:58:05] skd5aner: I know I've already been told all of this – just not with it today
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[22:01:11] sphery: Shadows of Commits...
[22:01:25] sphery: Sounds like a fun Arthurian-themed board game from Europe
[22:01:51] sphery: especially if we call it Shadows of Commit-a-lots
[22:01:59] skd5aner: or a Dan Brown novel
[22:02:13] sphery: heh
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[22:05:27] skd5aner: iamlindoro: so, as a training excercise in understand, this commit here would indicate that Paul likely didn't pull a recent version of -fixes in before he planned on commiting his on little change (here – http://www.mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-fireho . . . 000130.html) – am I correct?
[22:05:34] skd5aner: Er...
[22:05:47] skd5aner: forgot to paste the first link – http://www.mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-fireho . . . /000131.html
[22:06:40] skd5aner: so, when he went to do it, he was required to sync up and pull the changes that were already out there in the repository so that everything was properly pushed and in sync?
[22:09:58] sphery: he may have done a pull, he just did it after the code in his repo changed
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[22:10:43] sphery: I think it's just something git does to make the network graph look all pretty
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[22:15:27] clever: skd5aner: sounds like a rebase could have also made it more pretty
[22:16:00] skd5aner: clever: I'm not really a user of git at all, so I can't really say one way or the other – I'm only relying on the output it provides via the commit hooks
[22:16:32] clever: it sounds like he pulled, commited changes, pulled again (causing a merge) and then pushed
[22:16:39] skd5aner: i see'
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[22:17:47] clever: skd5aner: http://progit.org/book/ch3-6.html
[22:19:06] sphery: clever: how is that more pretty than just ignoring that one commit
[22:19:42] sphery: because it's an automatic merge commit, it means nothing of interest happened, so it's ignorable
[22:19:54] clever: yeah
[22:20:05] clever: just saying that if you did a rebase, there would be nothing to ignore in the first place
[22:20:08] clever: an option
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[22:20:51] sphery: true
[22:20:59] sphery: just not generally worth the effort, IMHO
[22:21:13] sphery: nor is it worth the danger of breaking things with a mistaken rebase
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[22:48:46] skd5aner: wagnerrp: this is what I was referring to the other day – http://www.mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-fireho . . . /000181.html  – the stuff I'm very excited to see coming to fruition, so much potential without the need for the custom control socket stuff
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[22:56:37] JosX: hello I was wondering if anyone here can give me a hand in setting my firewire
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[23:33:51] iamlindoro: Heh, someone putting his homebrew usb receiver sales pitch up on the mceusb page
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[23:52:37] wagnerrp: skd5aner: of course its custom
[23:52:52] wagnerrp: just because its HTTP rather than raw socket doesnt mean other clients can magically speak to it
[23:53:09] wagnerrp: anything that can speak http can just as easily speak raw socket
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[23:54:39] wagnerrp: iamlindoro: whats with those filenames?
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