Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Wednesday, May 11th, 2011, 00:00 UTC

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sphery:

bumblebeebat_: mythweather has some branding pic/text box thing--some sources require it

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sphery:

and mythweather will refuse to show you information from such sources if the theme doesn't have those items

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bumblebeebat_:

Oh, ok, awesome. I will look at the code. I may contact google and ask them about this. I would love to get this working again

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Beirdo:

sdfsfd /win 15

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Beirdo:

wth?

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sphery:

wagnerrp: in [mythtv-users] Help debugging failed HDHR recordings, could the guy be typing in the device id and that's why it's not fixing the issue?

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hoolio:

can you type into that field?

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sphery:

also, FWIW, I have no clue why people are saying that the storage free indicator doesn't work until you delete something... it works fine on my systems, which have current 0.24-fixes from Sat

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wagnerrp:

sphery: you cant type in the device id, its auto-detect only

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sphery:

hoolio: not sure... might not be able to..

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sphery:

so wonder what he's doing wrong that's making it not work

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sphery:

hope it's not direct DB editing or anything

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hoolio:

i did wonder why he got a HDHR that didn't do multirec

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wagnerrp:

so im eating dinner, flipping through the news channels, theres some guy on Fox talking about how border control is going to be a big issue in the next election

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wagnerrp:

why is border control an issue?

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sphery:

wagnerrp: lots of people sneaking into OH from IN?

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NewBuntu81:

they're worried about the drug problems extending from mexico into the US..oh wait...it already has LOL

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hoolio:

because the world is becoming more and more turbulent

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wagnerrp:

i mean why dont they just flood the border with drones? problem solved?

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NewBuntu81:

EXACTLY!

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hoolio:

people want to go where they feel it's a good place to live

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hoolio:

border control is an issue in australia too

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NewBuntu81:

maybe it's my country upbringing, but when the cows got out...you soon learned to electrify the fence. is that inhumane? lol

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hoolio:

it will get worse and worse as the globe heats and oil runs out

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sphery:

but then the lack of oil will result in lower carbon emmissions, and we'll go into an ice age!

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NewBuntu81:

hahahah

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wagnerrp:

NewBuntu81: insulating 1300mi of fence is a pretty excessive proposition

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NewBuntu81:

lmao

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wagnerrp:

and cows didnt have the dexterity to use insulated wire cutters

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sphery:

installing 1300mi of fence is expensive

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NewBuntu81:

i didn't say it was an easy feat. the drones sound like a good idea...or some other sort of robots

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wagnerrp:

why do we need a fence? use drones

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NewBuntu81:

how about a moat...with alligators?

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hoolio:

use drones to do what exactly?

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wagnerrp:

theyre dirt cheap, you can put them in a loiter mode flying patterns around a specific area

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wagnerrp:

and just watch for motion

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wagnerrp:

its pretty easy to pick up a human shape on FLIR

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sphery:

this sounds like the plot of some movie

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hoolio:

and then what..

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wagnerrp:

you see somebody, task one of the (hundreds of) drones to follow them, and send border control out to meet them

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hoolio:

play a recording asking them to go away?

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NewBuntu81:

and then the drones will get hacked...and be used against us

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NewBuntu81:

yep, sounds like a good movie

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wagnerrp:

so you get a couple business jets to fly overhead to manage the communications

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hoolio:

isn't the issue that there will be such a large number of asylum seekers?

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wagnerrp:

and limit the drones to only having upward facing antenna

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hoolio:

that current border control agencies will be overloaded?

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wagnerrp:

the issue is that we dont have the people there to sufficiently patrol the border and prevent people from crossing

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wagnerrp:

its got nothing to do with political asylum

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NewBuntu81:

laser beam fence with zone alerting?

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NewBuntu81:

AND alligators in a moat!

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wagnerrp:

but we dont need more people, we just need overhead computerized surveillance to tell people where to go

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wagnerrp:

laser fencing is easily enough defeated

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wagnerrp:

unless you want to get really expensive gear

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hoolio:

in Australia, the only valid legal course for an illegal immigrant is to seek political asylum

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hoolio:

so they're generally referred to as asylum seekers here

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hoolio:

looking at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_of_asylum it shows there are about 20,000 asylum seekers annually originating from mexico

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hoolio:

presumably hoping to gain entry into the US, seeing it's right next door

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hoolio:

so i suggest they do have something to do with it :)

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wagnerrp:

yes, out of some 450k or so that cross the border illegally each year

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hoolio:

and if all 450k were actually caught, presumably they also would be claiming asylum

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hoolio:

unless there's some other legal course for them to attempt to stay

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hoolio:

the hard part in Aus is working out which immigrants have a legitimate claim to seek asylum, and which ones are faking it.

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hoolio:

actually, quite topical: http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/opinion/ . . . 4539672.html

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NewBuntu81:

Anyone available to help troubleshoot an mceusb ir blaster?

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wagnerrp:

hoolio: you know, i often wonder if people really understand what the term 'fascist' means

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hoolio:

i take it then that you have a firm belief in your own understanding?

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wagnerrp:

im a firm believer that our politicians are too intent on bickering for their own gain, for a single unified fascist group to take dominant control

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wagnerrp:

the government is too slow and lumbering to become fascist

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hoolio:

your government or any government?

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wagnerrp:

the US, which that seemed directed at

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thread:

hi !

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wagnerrp:

although he does say at the end its not there, or anywhere near there

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wagnerrp:

but merely that its trending in that direction

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thread:

could anyone speculate why the guide data i'm pulling from schedulesdirect starts about a couple of days in the future?

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hoolio:

i don't think it's much of a statement to say that the US has long been held captive to the agendas of right wing conservatives.

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thread:

my guide data is empty until then

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hoolio:

so we're really just talking about *how far* right the US is

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wagnerrp:

hoolio: im sure you could argue that we spend far too much on the concerns of both sides of the spectrum

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hoolio:

fascism being the far right extreme of course.

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wagnerrp:

incorrect

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wagnerrp:

fascism has nothing to do with the stereotypical 'left' or 'right'

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hoolio:

you don't believe fascism is far right extremism?

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thread:

politics only anger me.. i just stick to adamism

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thread:

:)

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wagnerrp:

no, i believe fascism is totalitarian and nationalist

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hoolio:

which it is

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wagnerrp:

no, both sides taken to an extreme can be considered fascist

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hoolio:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-wing_politics

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hoolio:

"Stephen Fisher writes in The Concise Oxford Dictionary of Politics that in liberal democracies the term [right wing] has been defined as opposition to socialism or social democracy, and that right-wing parties have included the philosophies of conservatism, Christian democracy, liberalism, libertarianism, and nationalism. He says "extreme right parties (have included) elements of racism and fascism" "

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wagnerrp:

any government is going to be looking after the needs of its people over all other countries (nationalist)

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wagnerrp:

and the extremist politicians on the left and right both want more power to push their agendas (totalitarian)

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** tgm4883 checks the channel name he is in **

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hoolio:

extreme right wing == facism. i do believe that is quite generally accepted

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wagnerrp:

fascism just means big government pushing their belief on what is good for the country (and their regime), civil liberties be da**ed

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tgm4883:

wagnerrp, that sounds left wing to me

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wagnerrp:

tgm4883: and the right wing extremists who want to pass all sorts of legislation to protect you from yourself?

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wagnerrp:

its a different agenda, but its the same thing

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tgm4883:

I was more pointing at the big government part of the statement

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wagnerrp:

its still an over-powered government butting into matters that shouldnt involve them

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wagnerrp:

right wing wants big government just as much as left wing

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tgm4883:

I disagree

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wagnerrp:

their politicians, they want more power

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tgm4883:

but I'm right wing, what do I know ;)

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wagnerrp:

they get more power by bringing more crap under their control and expanding

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tgm4883:

eh perhaps

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tgm4883:

this is probably a bit OT

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wagnerrp:

the left wing does it through defense spending, the right wing does it through socialist programs

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wagnerrp:

done in excess, they both lead to fascism

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tgm4883:

wait what?

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tgm4883:

I think you have that backwards

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tgm4883:

left wing = socialist programs

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wagnerrp:

erm yeah.. backwards

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tgm4883:

don't be lumping me in with those bleeding heart liberals ;)

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wagnerrp:

but the point is still the same

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tgm4883:

yea

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tgm4883:

This is why everyone should vote for me :)

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tgm4883:

I say cut both, and increase the mythtv budget

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hoolio:

:)

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wagnerrp:

we have a budget?

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tgm4883:

you would if you voted for me

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tgm4883:

I'm a big believer of spending on science/tech

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wagnerrp:

well... maybe foxbuntu has a budget

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wagnerrp:

he still selling those pre-built systems?

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tgm4883:

IDK if he ever started selling pre-built systems

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tgm4883:

I never saw the site go live

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tgm4883:

I ended up pulling all the links off our site

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hoolio:

tgm4883, you'd have to fight against the big copyright machine to be allocating funding to mythtv

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slickrick:

has anyone used MyMote (idevice app for remote control) with lirc with any success?

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tgm4883:

hoolio, I'd spend more on science/tech. It wouldn't be money directly to mythtv though

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hoolio:

slickrick, yeah i have

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slickrick:

hoolio: what version of lirc are you using?

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hoolio:

i'd have to check my frontend, but it's mythtbuntu 10.10 running .24+fixes.

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slickrick:

hoolio: my specific details are here: http://pastebin.com/4HHdcdtL

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slickrick:

i just can't seem to get it work.

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slickrick:

i didn't think for the lirc commands the version of myth should matter?

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hoolio:

iirc you have to enable telnet on your front end

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slickrick:

yep. MyMote works fine.

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hoolio:

i'm not sure, but i don't think it even uses lirc

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hoolio:

it = mymote

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slickrick:

it's only the lirc buttons i cant get to work. wanted a volup, voldn, and mute button for my receiver.

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hoolio:

ah ic

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slickrick:

um, yeah it does.

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slickrick:

see bottom of: http://mymote.wikispot.org/Manual/Requirements

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hoolio:

ah, it *can*

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slickrick:

my original question was: has anyone used MyMote (idevice app for remote control) *with* lirc with any success?

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hoolio:

but afaik it doesn't by default

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hoolio:

okies, sorry; i'll be quiet now :)

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slickrick:

hoolio: thanks anyways.

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hoolio:

:)

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Shadow__X:

tgm4883: i agree with putting more money into sci/tech research

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wagnerrp:

indirectly, at least the right pumps a lot of money into sci/tech research through military spending

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slickrick:

is that the answer to war, what is good for?

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hoolio:

more $$$ on big guns; how noble.

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wagnerrp:

big guns... no

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wagnerrp:

rail guns have all sorts of interesting applications

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wagnerrp:

as do efficient lasers

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wagnerrp:

aerodynamics research

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wagnerrp:

AI research for drones

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wagnerrp:

communications technology

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wagnerrp:

encryption

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wagnerrp:

all sorts of technology gets funded in the name of military research before filtering down into the private sector for commercial use

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wagnerrp:

granted, its not as efficient if that money were spent on such commercial use directly...

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wagnerrp:

but surely its as noble a cause as paying people to sit at home doing nothing all day

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hoolio:

that's a strawman if ever i heard one

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wagnerrp:

im not trying to defend it, im just saying theres a lot more worthless crap my government is wasting money on

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hoolio:

more worthless than distributing depleted uranium around the middle east?

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wagnerrp:

debatably

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wagnerrp:

just think of all that free fuel were giving them should the nuclear power hysteria die down and we start building breeder reactors... :P

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hoolio:

what a strange strange world we live in.

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tgm4883:

oh come on, who doesn't like explosions?

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slickrick:

hoolio: strange is an understatement.

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hoolio:

"..We annually spend on military security more than the net income of all United States corporations.This conjunction of an immense military establishment and a large arms industry is new in the American experience. The total influence — economic, political, even spiritual — is felt in every city, every State house, every office of the Federal government. We recognize the imperative need for this development. Yet we must not fail

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hoolio:

to comprehend its grave implications. Our toil, resources and livelihood are all involved; so is the very structure of our society.In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the militaryindustrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our libe

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hoolio:

rties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals.." Dwight D. Eisenhower, 1961.

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hoolio:

(sorry for the flood)

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tgm4883:

so..... build more bombs?

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hoolio:

perhaps "with great power comes great responsibility"

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wagnerrp:

hoolio: you might find this a bit enlightening... http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2010/ . . . ary-spending

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NewBuntu81:

I'm starting to like this show, Don't forget the lyrics

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NewBuntu81:

except when people butcher good songs lol

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wagnerrp:

NewBuntu81: you mean in nearly all instances of karaoke?

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NewBuntu81:

exactly

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NewBuntu81:

maybe we can use the alligators and electric fence there LOL jk

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wagnerrp:

including shows like american idol?

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NewBuntu81:

ohh lord, it's been an interesting chat day lol

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tgm4883:

wagnerrp, are you saying we aren't #1 !

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NewBuntu81:

well in A I most of them can kinda sing

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NewBuntu81:

...i mean once you get past the first few weeks. Dont forget the lyrics is definitely more karoke.

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wagnerrp:

who cares if they can sing

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wagnerrp:

tons of people can sing

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wagnerrp:

tons more could sing should they take professional lessons

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wagnerrp:

the worth is in the song writers

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wagnerrp:

which is considerably harder to do, yet far less well paid

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hoolio:

wagnerrp, your link explains to me that the US has a very large economy and spends more on guns than any other country in the world, buy an order of several magnitudes.

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wagnerrp:

hoolio: it also explains that in terms of GDP, its not all that large

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hoolio:

answer me this, who as the biggest pile of weapons in the modern era?

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hoolio:

it's not north korea or china or myanmar.

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hoolio:

it's the USA.

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wagnerrp:

because theyre all dwarfed in GDP by the US

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hoolio:

so what?

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skd5aner:

I seem to recall DARPA inventing the... uh, what's it called... oh yea... INTERNET

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wagnerrp:

so... you cant take all that spending out of context

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Shadow__X:

skd5aner: no no we need to forget anything good that comes from it

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Shadow__X:

sure there are bad things but people like to ignore all the benefits that have trickled down to consumers

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hoolio:

it wouldn't concern me if the US simply had a big collection of war toys.

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skd5aner:

oh, my bad... I forgot, sorry

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hoolio:

what concerns me is that the US insists on *using* its big collection of war toys throughout the world.

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wagnerrp:

hoolio: sure... but its a catch 22

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wagnerrp:

we use them, the world tells us not to

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wagnerrp:

we dont use them, the world cries out for us to step in

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skd5aner:

I just sat down, but how is this not trolling?

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hoolio:

that is the role of NATO

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hoolio:

not the US.

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skd5aner:

NATO?

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Shadow__X:

lol

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wagnerrp:

and the vast bulk of NATO funding comes from the US

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skd5aner:

do you even know what NATO is or what it was founded (and who founded it)

[01:58:57]

skd5aner:

s/what/why

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hoolio:

s/nato/un

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wagnerrp:

and the vast bulk of UN funding comes from the US

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hoolio:

so what?

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skd5aner:

I mean, if you would have said UN, /maybe/ – but they're basically worthless – the security council is made up of a bunch of people who generally disagree with eachother and have nuclear weapons

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slickrick:

but is that only fair given the gdp?

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hoolio:

how often does the US bypass the UN because the US doesn't agree with UN resolutions

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hoolio:

the UN never authorised the invasion of iraq.

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skd5aner:

so?

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NewBuntu81:

I partially agree with wagnerrp on his comment "we dont use them, the world cries out for us to step in"

[02:00:46]

NewBuntu81:

the exception is...you guessed it..oil

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NewBuntu81:

lol

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skd5aner:

since when does /any/ soveirgn nation need to get a permission slip from the UN to protect their interests?

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** skd5aner can't believe I'm being pulled into this **

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NewBuntu81:

oooh, another sad murder in kiladelphia.

[02:03:13]

skd5aner:

anyway – I just had an ice cream sandwhich – it was yummy

[02:03:25]

NewBuntu81:

nice. that sounds good

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wagnerrp:

i find those too hard to eat

[02:03:40]

NewBuntu81:

Anyone have a working mceusb IR blaster?

[02:03:41]

skd5aner:

also, next version of android – "ice cream sandwhich"

[02:03:50]

wagnerrp:

the ice cream smushes out from between the crackers

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Shadow__X:

nice was it a chocolate chip one

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Shadow__X:

you have to make sure its colder then

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skd5aner:

wagnerrp: you have jaws of steal and only molars? :D

[02:04:38]

skd5aner:

or steel – either one ;)

[02:04:40]

wagnerrp:

skd5aner: no, but my front teeth cant handle cold

[02:04:55]

wagnerrp:

i prefer orange cream bars

[02:05:02]

NewBuntu81:

creamcycles?

[02:05:08]

NewBuntu81:

or is it creamsickle?

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skd5aner:

yea, that sucks... sometimes I'll get the occasional sentive sensation

[02:06:01]

wagnerrp:

its only the back of my bottom teeth

[02:06:11]

wagnerrp:

but it still means i need to be careful eating

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skd5aner:

sensodyne, and forget it

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skd5aner:

oh wait, it's actually fixodent... lol

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NewBuntu81:

i use sensodyne, it works well. i dont use it for that reason but i'm sure it helps hahah.

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skd5aner:

alright – out for the evening – later gents (and ladies?)

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NewBuntu81:

the SLS, that's in most toothpastes, irritates my gums, Sensodyne doesnt have it.

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NewBuntu81:

have a good night skd5

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hoolio:

perhaps we should avoid talking about global politics :)

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petefoo:

Quick bash question, this is driving me nuts. How do I make this loop not split files with a space in them into a 2nd iteration?

[02:25:55]

petefoo:

for i in `ls`; do echo \"$i\"; done;

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petefoo:

a file named "blah blah2" echo's twice, once a blah and once as blah2

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hoolio:

so i is being interpreted as a one word string, not the whole line?

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petefoo:

hoolio: exactly.

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hoolio:

http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/bash-for-loop-spaces/

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petefoo:

Well, that was easy.

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petefoo:

thanks.

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hoolio:

np

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petefoo:

crap. needs to be shell escaped too.

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petefoo:

for i in *; do echo `echo $i | sed -e 's/[\ "'\'']/\\\ /g'`; done;

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petefoo:

there must be more graceful ways, but that works. :)

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NewBuntu81:

Anyone have a working mceusb IR blaster and able to assist in configuration?

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petefoo:

NewBuntu81: What are you trying to control?

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wagnerrp:

sphery: just a heads up, both NCISs are cliff hangers

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NewBuntu81:

petefoo: Trying to change channels on a Comcast Pace DTA

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sphery:

heh, thanks--was thinking of watching ncis

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sphery:

guess "Swan Song" wasn't only referring to the 2nd-to-last episode of the season, but also 2nd-to-last episode of the 2-parter :)

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wagnerrp:

and they kill someone

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sphery:

wow, that could be very bad... I like the people

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sphery:

then again, it worked out when they killed Kate

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petefoo:

NewBuntu81: Ah. Thought depending on the device there might be an easier way. Not sure about those little guys though.

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NewBuntu81:

petefoo: I have the configuration file for the Pace DTA, that's not my worry. I just can't get my IR blaster to "blast". When I try a send_once I get an error.

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NewBuntu81:

I think clgshaft got his ir blaster working, but i'm not sure what model. I can't seem to catch him when he comes on.

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petefoo:

I don't think I can be of much help, but out of curiosity, whats the error?

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jya:

anyone using unity in ubuntu 11.04 ?

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NewBuntu81:

petefoo: the error i get is, irsend: hardware does not support sending. more info on http://pastebin.com/37RqEwxb

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jya:

where are the usual settings ? (network; mouse, etc...) ? can't for the life of me find them

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petefoo:

jya: I'm e-fraid.

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petefoo:

for exactly that reason

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jya:

even finding the usual "Accessories" menu, like Terminal, had to run a search for terminal

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petefoo:

Isn't it all on a sidebar or something?

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jya:

no..

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jya:

I find a way to find the "accessories" ; start Application , in the search bar ; select from the dropdown list "Accessories"

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wagnerrp:

sometimes 'the scene' just downright confuses me

[05:10:48]

wagnerrp:

someone just released an LGPL library for the RARv3 format

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wagnerrp:

if youre going to steal the content, why not go whole hog and steal winrar too?

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mycosys:

free as in freedom?

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MeXiOuS:

hi there, i'm having some issues with an avermedia twinstar pci-e card. i have been pulling my hair out trying to get myth to pick it up. the system recognises it so obiously ubuntu knows what it is (at least i assume that it does) but myth doesn't see it. any suggestions?

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hoolio:

MeXiOuS, what do you mean the system recognises it?

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MeXiOuS:

running lspc -vvnn it shows the card as " Multimedia controller [0480]: Philips Semiconductors Device [1131:7160] (rev 01)"

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MeXiOuS:

i can send you the full output if it makes a difference

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wagnerrp:

MeXiOuS: that just shows that the system acknowledges there is a tuner card installed

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wagnerrp:

it does not say anything about a driver being attached to support it

[06:03:50]

MeXiOuS:

http://pastie.org/1887858

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MeXiOuS:

that's the full output from lspci -vvnn

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wagnerrp:

yes, that does not matter as lspci does not indicate any meaningful support

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wagnerrp:

it is nothing more than a list of what hardware has been found on your system

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wagnerrp:

!url tuner

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MythLogBot:

No match for keyword tuner

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wagnerrp:

!url tuners

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MythLogBot:

tuners: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hardwar . . . _Information

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wagnerrp:

MeXiOuS: the above link is to the linuxtv project, who provides linux tuner drivers

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MeXiOuS:

is tok thanks for that, looking now

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wagnerrp:

mythtv itself does not support tuner hardware, it simply accesses cards supported by those tuner drivers

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wagnerrp:

until you have functional device nodes (/dev/dvb/adapter0) for your digital tuner

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wagnerrp:

support lies with the linuxtv project, not mythtv

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MeXiOuS:

so so long as i can find drivers for the card and load on the system then theoretically the card will be seen by myth?

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wagnerrp:

once you have such device nodes, mythtv-setup should autodetect your card when you add a DVB DTV device

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MeXiOuS:

ok, i'll keep researching

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hoolio:

wagnerrp, does myth support the HDHR directly, or does that too rely on driver availability outside the myth project?

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wagnerrp:

a bit of both

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wagnerrp:

mythtv directly supports the HDHR, using an internal version of the network communication libraries provided by silicondust

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hoolio:

okay

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wagnerrp:

and in fact, silicondust now indirectly maintains our in-tree libraries

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wagnerrp:

they submit patches for updates, we add them

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hoolio:

ok; that's cool, it's nice to have such solid support from a vendor

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** Hoochster is looking very forward to the HDHR Prime **

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wagnerrp:

indeed

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Hoochster:

assuming my cable provider will support it heh

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wagnerrp:

in fact, theyve been testing the HDHR Prime with mythtv for over a year now

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Hoochster:

but yup the HDHR rocks

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Hoochster:

nice

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Hoochster:

that will be incredible

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hoolio:

i had many issues with tuners before i got my HDHR

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hoolio:

making it work was v.easy

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Hoochster:

well I have cable and atsc and using pvr150's dunno if it is the tuners which I think we talked bout this before and thought it prob was cuz they are weak but get static on channels occasionally on the cable side

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Hoochster:

but yup the hdhr is very simple

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Hoochster:

so looking very forward to the prime

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hoolio:

does the prime support dvb-t?

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Hoochster:

the prime is an hdhr designed for cable cards

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hoolio:

okies

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Hoochster:

a 3 tuner cable card hdhr basically

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Hoochster:

they also have a 6 in the works as well I believe

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wagnerrp:

there is a DVB-T HDHomeRun

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hoolio:

that's wot i have

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hoolio:

btw, since i moved to .24 i get an error in mythtv-status

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hoolio:

Use of uninitialized value in numeric gt (>) at /usr/bin/mythtv-status line 867.

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hoolio:

Use of uninitialized value in numeric gt (>) at /usr/bin/mythtv-status line 867.

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hoolio:

etc

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Beirdo:

Ugh

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wagnerrp:

mythtv status is a third party utility

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Beirdo:

I just spend 1.5h removing the worst of the clicks and pops from Toto – Africa

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hoolio:

okay

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Beirdo:

go figure that the worst scratch was in the song I wanted the most

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hoolio:

you could have just torrented it?

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wagnerrp:

and that would have been illegal

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wagnerrp:

so no he couldnt have

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Beirdo:

how may I ask can an LP fit through the internet?

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wagnerrp:

VOIP of course

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[R]:

Beirdo: a very big tube?

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[R]:

wagnerrp: haha

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Beirdo:

hehe

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hoolio:

oh yes, sorry i forgot that would not be legal.

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wagnerrp:

hoolio: line 867 appears to be a comment, i dont understand how you could be getting an error there

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[R]:

you forgot stealing is illegal?

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Beirdo:

now up... Boston – Third Stage

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wagnerrp:

unless youre running an old version

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Beirdo:

starting with... Amanda

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[R]:

Beirdo: they have a few good songs

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wagnerrp:

in which case it probably is doing things no longer supported in 0.24

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Beirdo:

click click click

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Beirdo:

what do I want for 50c LPs? :)

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[R]:

mythtv-status works for me

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[R]:

16 & pregnant coming up at midnight

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hoolio:

wagnerrp, 0.9.3–1

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Beirdo:

ban the Lifetime Network!

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[R]:

Beirdo: tahts on mtv

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wagnerrp:

[R]: why! why are you watching these things!

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[R]:

haha

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[R]:

hoolio: that one works for me

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[R]:

wagnerrp: its funny

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Beirdo:

even worse

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[R]:

so im writring a dynamic loader for a DSP at my work... am i evil/

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Beirdo:

hehe, I remember a friend dedicating this song to a girl at highschool

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Beirdo:

she wasn't too impressed

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Beirdo:

poor guy

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wagnerrp:

its... sad

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wagnerrp:

its the cliche train wreak

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wagnerrp:

its horrible and awful, but for some strange reason you cant stop watching

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Beirdo:

needless to say, her name was Amanda

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hoolio:

wagnerrp, would the errors be generated because the perl syntax isn't exactly compatible with my version of perl? 5.10.1–12ubuntu2.1

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wagnerrp:

my guess would be no

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MeXiOuS:

further research says the avermedia card is an A188

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hoolio:

I've emailed the developer

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[R]:

so what do you think of that guy who posted that netflix is gonna work on chrome

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[R]:

i ahvent read anything that implies its gonna work on chome on linux

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[R]:

aside from speculation by people writing blogs and what not

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wagnerrp:

isnt chromeos based on linux?

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[R]:

see, i've heard references to chromeos and references to just 'chrome'

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[R]:

taht was another thing i wasn't sure of

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wagnerrp:

the issue is that no one has said 'chromium'

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mycosys:

what happend to gOS?

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wagnerrp:

chrome is binary, chromium is open source

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bumblebeebat_:

i read one article, i think it was over at pocketlint, that stated that this should solve the linux problem with netflix. Unfortunately no direct quotes from google

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[R]:

well who cares about chromium... i could use chrome

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wagnerrp:

there is no indication that you will be able to use it with the open source version

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wagnerrp:

which means there is no way one would be able to adapt it into mythbrowser or mythnetvision

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wagnerrp:

the best you could do would be to have it open an external application for playback

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[R]:

tahts tolerable for me

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Beirdo:

there is no linux problem with netflix

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wagnerrp:

mycosys: isnt gOS their internal server OS?

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Beirdo:

in fact many set top boxes that play netflix run linux

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mycosys:

thought it was their cloud app netbook OS

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Beirdo:

the problem is lack of application for desktop linux

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bumblebeebat_:

sorry lack of drm silverlight support

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mycosys:

ahhh – wasnt by google

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mycosys:

and died

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justinh:

gah. you sign up to one cause on avaaz.org & they co-opt you into every little bloody thing. UNSUBSCRIBE ME

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justinh:

unsubcribed. woohoo

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justinh:

fat lot of good signing petitions have ever done anyway

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wagnerrp:

clearly youve never heard of the AARP

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wagnerrp:

justinh: that was to you ^^^

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justinh:

maybe not, but signing a petition didn't stop us going into Iraq, increasing tuition fees for students, messing up the national health service even further...

[07:24:04]

justinh:

and I'm pretty sure it didn't stop an unfaithful woman being stoned to death in some other country

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wagnerrp:

the AARP (american association of retired persons) is an entire organization intended to snooker old people under the pretense of benefits

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wagnerrp:

such that they can appear to have a huge base of people that they politically speak for

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justinh:

heh

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wagnerrp:

that way, they can go to the government claiming 'all X million of our members feel this way against robots', when in reality all their members just wanted cheap life insurance

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justinh:

so essentially great for those in the older generation who pine for the days when you could put a burning cross on somebody's lawn?

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justinh:

the important thing is that the voice of organisations like that isn't listened to

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justinh:

least I hope it isn't

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Beirdo:

Next to rip... Billy Joel – 52nd Street

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wagnerrp:

if it werent, they wouldnt have lasted so long

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justinh:

ouch

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justinh:

and here was I thinking that it was only money that could make policy over there

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wagnerrp:

well its more votes

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wagnerrp:

they 'represent' a huge voting base

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Beirdo:

you had to be a big shot... didn't ya...

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Beirdo:

heheh

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wagnerrp:

they can inform their members to 'vote no on proposition 11001010, more robots means less benefits'

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justinh:

gah. Stupid Acrobat reader. I need to print out a component layout for a board but it's fiddly, so zoomed right into the area I'm interested in & wanted to print that onto A4. Blank page. Cheers, Adobe

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Beirdo:

and like good robots, the geezers do it

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justinh:

wagnerrp: so they're likely not the only outfit misinforming the nation

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Beirdo:

justinh: far far from it

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Beirdo:

just one of the most eggregious

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justinh:

I'm starting to have second thoughts about being against NHS reform over here. People are painting private company involvement in health services as a bad thing – but if there's anything real busineses don't like much it's waste

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: ive always been taught that objects of any size should be passed as references

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wagnerrp:

but what impact does it really have doing something like passing a QList?

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wagnerrp:

as opposed to a QList*

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justinh:

everybody harks back to 'the day' when every big industry was nationalised, everybody had a job for life etc, like those were the *good* old days – which – if I remember right, seeing relatives who worked in those industries going to work on night shift with SLEEPING BAGS FGS... I'm sure anybody wanting to succeed at a business doesn't need workers sleeping at work

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Beirdo:

I think it passes a small structure

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Beirdo:

QList& would be the other way

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Beirdo:

but I'm getting kinda tired out

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wagnerrp:

i cant pass a QList& out of a function can i?

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wagnerrp:

since the code would leave the scope of the function

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wagnerrp:

and the object would no longer exist to be referenced

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justinh:

hmm. printer's borked again

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Beirdo:

sure you can, but I think it will effectively copy anyways

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Beirdo:

although Qt uses a LOT of shallow copying

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justinh:

remind me, why does a multifunction laser printer catering to the needs of a department containing around 30 people need to be the size of a small car?

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Beirdo:

justinh: is it made in Texas?

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wagnerrp:

lots of paper and toner storage

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Beirdo:

that too

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justinh:

it doesnt generally get that much use

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wagnerrp:

color laser printers generally have 6 giant toner cartridges

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Beirdo:

oooh Tommy Tutone

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Beirdo:

I have to be sure to rip that soon

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wagnerrp:

perfect tommy could kick his butt

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wagnerrp:

tutone was a tool

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justinh:

printing one page takes ages, and the process.. oh boy. there are these moving trays.. it always feeds the sheet onto the bottom one, so it moved the tray down, paper comes through, then it moves back up again. So many moving parts, and for what?

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wagnerrp:

well one page takes a long time, the next takes only a second or two longer

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wagnerrp:

its designed for printing in bulk

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Beirdo:

for you to crumple and toss into the bin

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justinh:

yup. which we don't generally do

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justinh:

we have one of these monsters on every floor

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justinh:

I have my printout. wooohoo. ALT+PRINTSCRN, paste into GIMP, threshold... crop.. PRINT!

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justinh:

dunno who thought doing the board layouts with the reference designators in very light grey would be a great idea...

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justinh:

LOL as office printers go this one appears to be one of the smallest

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justinh:

darnit. that AMD X4 black edition has gone up in price from yesterday. It's still way cheap though

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justinh:

I think the time has come to place the order for bits to make a new desktop machine for home

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justinh:

what? 2x 2GB DDR3 for under Â£30? and it's Kingston...

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justinh:

oh wait.. SODIMM. Bah

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justinh:

since when was memory for laptops cheaper?

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

it should be, it's smaller

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Beirdo:

crap

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Beirdo:

ran out of paper sleeves for LPs

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justinh:

huh? motherboard which says AM2+ / AM3 ? I thought they were different

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mycosys:

one is ddr2 and one is ddr3 iirc

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justinh:

4GB RAM, Am3 mainboard, phenom II X4 3.2Ghz... under Â£200 thankyou muchly Amazon

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justinh:

just need a case & PSU

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justinh:

oh and DVD reader & card reader

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mycosys:

whats it for? which chipset?

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justinh:

video editing

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mycosys:

what chipset did you grab?

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justinh:

I don't care/know

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mycosys:

:O

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mycosys:

serious??

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mycosys:

they are SO varied on amds

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mycosys:

i hope you paid attention to ur southbridge

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justinh:

nforce 630a

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justinh:

I don't pay attention to crap that bores the hell out of me :-)

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justinh:

component geekery is seriously tedious, I find

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justinh:

I can look at benchmark differences til I'm blue in the face

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justinh:

all that tends to matter to me is that it'll be fast enough to do the intended job

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justinh:

and if my 1.6Ghz core 2 laptop can cope, if a lot slower than I'd like – it's a fairly safe bet that this I'm putting together will fly compared to it and still be cheaper than buying the equivalent Dell or whatever

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justinh:

FWIW I've been down the specs route before where I found motherboard with chipset X performed 2% better than the other one, but it cost 50% more – I couldn't give a ****

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justinh:

unless you're going to tell me that the differences are more marked than that... but I've usually found the bottleneck in video editing is the CPU and IO in general. chucking more, faster cores at it will help immensely, plus the editing package I use can offload to a nvidia GPU :)

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mycosys:

u just ripper urself off

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mycosys:

it isnt am3, and doesnt support HT3

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mycosys:

sorry justinh

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justinh:

haven't bought it yet :-)

[08:35:27]

justinh:

I just assumed, that an asus board, with AM3 in its specs would mean it properly supported AM3.

[08:35:40]

justinh:

asus being a brand of some repute, I thought

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mycosys:

board is fine – is great for an old athlon64

[08:37:15]

mycosys:

will run an am3 chip – just badly

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mycosys:

they have to make the cheap stuff to stay competitive, if ur building a basic net browser would be fine

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mycosys:

for vid edit would be a bad mistake

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mycosys:

in ur shoes i would go for an 870 board

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mycosys:

with SB 850 preferably

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mycosys:

tho i think that is the only way it is called 850

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mycosys:

*870

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Beirdo:

pfft. Bed

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justinh:

what do you mean 870?

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justinh:

ah possibly AMD 870 chipset

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justinh:

ouchy. muchly more expensiverer

[08:55:35]

justinh:

but as luck would have it, an 870 motherboard was on my original shopping list & at my local retailer only costs Â£10 more than the cheap ass one on amazon :-)

[08:56:30]

justinh:

ah sack it. I'll just go to my local retailer. it's too damn hard finding stuff on amazon anyway

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justinh:

oh WHAT? the cheap black edition CPU is out of stock already, after I added it to my amazon basket. RETARDS

[09:00:08]

justinh:

back to plan A

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justinh:

mycosys: anyway, what kind of difference would I have seen? You say 'run badly' but in what terms?

[09:01:52]

justinh:

I'm not going back to paying 50% over the odds for 5% performance gain

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justinh:

hmm. google stuff, bloody Tomshardware specboredom fests

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hashbang:

morning all

[09:04:43]

hashbang:

justinh: my approach these days is that everything is probably fast enough. Reliability and software/driver support worth paying extra for, though.

[09:05:34]

justinh:

since I stopped buying no-name motherboards (rather, brands nobody had ever heard of) I've not had any memorable problems

[09:06:02]

hashbang:

justinh: I tend to flip between Asus and Gigabyte on mobos

[09:07:24]

justinh:

WTH? the retailer lists a board as being 870 chipset but the manufacturer says something else

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justinh:

FGS I can't even believe the retailer's spec list? I GIVE UP

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hashbang:

justinh: retailers are generally pretty useless IMHO. Mfg'ers specs always the most reliable, and even then, not always perfect

[09:09:16]

justinh:

oh well. I'll just put off putting a new machine together til they get a frickin clue

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mycosys:

well justinh – the chip suppoprts 5200MT/s bandwidth, and the board only 2000

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mycosys:

so ur gonna see a missive drop in i/o performance, and that includes within the CPU

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mycosys:

so — is gonna matter for vid edit i would think

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justinh:

well it *might* matter

[09:10:35]

justinh:

but it'll already be way fast enough for what I need

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justinh:

and I wouldn't know the difference other than it'll be much faster than my crappy core2 laptop

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mycosys:

dunno about that

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justinh:

best my laptop chip can do is 533MT/sec

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mycosys:

cant think that anything would notice the diff more than vid edit

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mycosys:

serious???

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justinh:

so even the cheap-arse box I was planning just now would beat it

[09:12:35]

justinh:

I buy CHEAP

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mycosys:

1066 you mean? 533MHz

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justinh:

CHEAP CHEAP CHEAP

[09:13:13]

mycosys:

remember HT isnt just the FSB, is also the link to the cache, and the link to the ram controller, and the link between the cores

[09:13:20]

mycosys:

for $20 or so.......

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justinh:

only here it's not $20 or so

[09:13:43]

justinh:

it's Â£30, plus the difference in shipping because my local retailer doesn't stock it

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justinh:

seems my local place is seriously in bed with MSI

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mycosys:

what about 770?

[09:14:32]

mycosys:

just miss out on sata 6G/s – is the same otherwise

[09:14:46]

mycosys:

or 760G

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justinh:

I don't care about 6G/sec SATA.. no single HDD can do that yet :P

[09:14:54]

mycosys:

tho – 70 is more sensible

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mycosys:

ssds can beat 3G/s tho

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justinh:

I won't be using SSDs

[09:15:18]

mycosys:

but yeah – then go 770

[09:15:22]

justinh:

CHEAP CHEAP CHEAP :-)

[09:15:39]

justinh:

I know all the little minutes add up eventually, but at what cost? ;-)

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mycosys:

with an sb710 or 750

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mycosys:

hav a look at an amd 770/710 board – should be fine

[09:16:11]

mycosys:

they are cheap

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justinh:

it just has to be fast enough to cope with a couple of AVCHD streams & some video processing. Right now my laptop can just about play one at a time with no processing

[09:16:26]

mycosys:

not as cheap as 760G but have a lot more PCIE bandwidth

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justinh:

rendering time, I couldn't give a rat's ass about

[09:16:51]

mycosys:

isnt about render time – is about gettin HD data in and out for you

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justinh:

I just want to be able to see what the hell I'm doing without transcoding it first

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mycosys:

will make a real difference to editing

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mycosys:

the cpu is the same

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justinh:

CPU makes a big difference when you're processing though

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mycosys:

bandwidth even moreso

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justinh:

playback wise all it has to do is pull 15Mb/sec off the disk

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mycosys:

edit wise it has to shuffle it back and forth in ram a lot

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justinh:

then decoding the h.264 is like SCREEEEEEEEEEEEE

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mycosys:

aqnd between cores

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mycosys:

770 boards are about $60 here

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justinh:

even just buying the single cheapest box now will mean it's way faster than my laptop. hell, spending the same amount of money I pulled out on that laptop would get me something much better than my current one – but for that money I can have a way faster non-portable

[09:19:35]

mycosys:

$50 even

[09:20:06]

mycosys:

about the same price as nvidia 630 boards

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mycosys:

there is no reason to go a 630

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justinh:

local place has an MSI 870-C45 for under Â£50

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justinh:

oo this SB710 southbridge can do IrDA. ROFLMAO

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justinh:

advanced clock calibration.. woooo!

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** justinh won't be overclocking anyway **

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justinh:

there's nothing nicer than being able to wander over to your local place & get everything you need right there, and for less than you'd pay online for it

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justinh:

so what are MSI like anyway? don't remember ever having one of theirs.. previously a gigabyte fan but been a victim of BADCAPS more than once

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justinh:

though they're not the only manufacturer to have been plagued by that

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IMSanchMac:

hmmm nuvexport only allows a 5% crop it would seem, anyone know why that is?

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justinh:

because it does?

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IMSanchMac:

:P

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IMSanchMac:

trying to crop the black bars from a 4:3 show broadcast in a 16:9 frame during the transcode, but looks like I may be out of luck there

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justinh:

nope

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justinh:

the crop feature of that is only intended for tidying up the edges of captured analogue video

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justinh:

the limit is likely set in the code. you're free to change it to be as big as you want. YMMV

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IMSanchMac:

yeah I usually just use it to snip off the timing markers some broadcasters put in the area expected to be overscanned

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justinh:

but since nuvexport is a script, maybe there's no 'real' code to edit :)

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IMSanchMac:

true, may just try removing the error check for >5% crops and see if it goes boom

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justinh:

mycosys: just FYI, gonna go for that MSI, 770 with SB710. Should do me OK. I appreciate you trying to stop me wasting my cash

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justinh:

see, the problem with the likes of Tomshardware & most review sites where they compare chipsets etc is that they don't cut to the bloody chase fast enough, so I give up trying to gen up

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IMSanchMac:

well commented out the check in the generic.pm script, it's started transcoding, just have to see what result it gives now

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justinh:

come to think about it, if I'm not arsed about overclocking why would I even bother with the black edition phenom II? LOL

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spirit3:

justinh: is your CPU racist?

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justinh:

no but I am

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spirit3:

You'll be needing the white edition then

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spirit3:

it comes with a free white pointy hat :)

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justinh:

oh great. the component list I've been working from has two R567 places, each with a different component value

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justinh:

!trout designer clueless

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** MythLogBot slaps designer with a clueless trout on behalf of justinh... **

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justinh:

LOL. So Stephen Moffat has come out & said all Dr Who fans should burn in hell. Or something. Because 'fans' he showed previews to have leaked plot details. Hmm

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mycosys:

welcome justinh

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mycosys:

is a pet peeve of mine the whole mislabled chipset thing – big part o the reason i asked

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justinh:

and I think I was naive enough to think there wouldn't be that much of a difference – which in principle is a reasonable assumption isn't it? ;-)

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IMSanchMac:

for any interested removing the crop >5% warning from nuvexport's generic.pm seems to have had no ill effects

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IMSanchMac:

crop of 12.5% on each side completed fine, even though aspect ratio wan't changed as I'd hoped

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IMSanchMac:

can alter that without a re-encode though

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justinh:

maybe add some code to make it possible to crop pillarboxing/letterboxing as well as edge cruft trimming :-)

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justinh:

WTH? purchasing dept. guy here has just asked how far HDMI can be sent from a camcorder to a TV.. is 30 metres too much? A *camcorder* ? WTH are they doing with that?

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justinh:

no answer to that one. I smell voyeurism

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justinh:

hahaha the IP camera we make has failed EMC testing. 150Mhz is 7dB over the allowed limit. coming from the network phy.. ish.. running off a 50Mhz oscillator.. and we've put the magnetics on a different board away from the phy. Oops

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mycosys:

it SHOULD be a reasonable assumption justinh – but there is always gonna be some asshat builder who wants the cheapest possible to put on a spec sheet and couldnt care less about actual performance

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justinh:

I'd not have expected that of Asus though. I'll be way more careful in future

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** lyricnz screams and complains about stupid dvb drivers. Seriously damaging my WAF **

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lyricnz:

randomly occuring non-stop DVBRec(1:/dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0): PID 0x85 discontinuity detected.

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justinh:

in 0.24?

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lyricnz:

and signal appears to be fine (works on all tv's just fine, but the snr numbers from the driver aren't ... useful)

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justinh:

I had a spell where I got loads of that causing missed recordings

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justinh:

I then patched mythbackend.. or updated it to a newer version from svn (way back) & it went away

[14:22:01]

lyricnz:

yeah 0.24 fixes, git revision 464fa28373

[14:22:13]

justinh:

oh hang on no that was for 'device already in use' problems

[14:22:19]

lyricnz:

I don't miss recordings, it just cause jittering and skips

[14:22:31]

justinh:

aim for BER & UNC of zero

[14:22:36]

justinh:

certainly UNC

[14:22:47]

lyricnz:

Of course, I would first suspect signal problem, but seem to have ruled that out...

[14:22:48]

justinh:

SNR & signal levels are pretty much meaningless

[14:22:59]

lyricnz:

Getting lots of UNC I think. Remind me how to check?

[14:23:08]

justinh:

femon

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justinh:

UNC == uncorrectable errors. V Bad

[14:23:38]

lyricnz:

FE: Realtek DVB-T RTL2832 (TERRESTRIAL)

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lyricnz:

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lyricnz:

what's that mean, then?

[14:23:47]

justinh:

holy poop!

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justinh:

zero ber though, at the same time? that seems weird

[14:24:21]

lyricnz:

yeah, shitty non-linuxtv driver

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lyricnz:

I suspect?

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justinh:

hang on.. realtek are making dvb-t chipsets? god help you

[14:25:23]

lyricnz:

all the devices have the same unc number. should it be per-device?

[14:26:17]

justinh:

UNC is just a number – the number of blocks where errors could not be corrected

[14:26:43]

lyricnz:

yes, but is it a counter per device, or global? My device is 4-tuners, and each have exactly the same unc number.

[14:26:59]

justinh:

no, it should be an indicator of the current tuner status

[14:27:05]

justinh:

i.e. what's happening right now

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justinh:

per tuner

[14:27:34]

justinh:

if it's just 'some number' then I'd guess that the driver is utter rubbish

[14:27:41]

lyricnz:

hahah, yeah.

[14:28:04]

justinh:

seriously though.. realtek got into dvb-t chips? LOL

[14:28:12]

lyricnz:

RTL2832 seems quite common

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** lyricnz write a script to parse myth backend log, see if I can correlate the "discontinuity detected" with an adapter, or a channel **

[14:29:13]

justinh:

but .. the non-linuxtv driver sounds bad

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lyricnz:

Lots of useful debug in backend log: "-v record,channel,dvbcam"

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justinh:

dvbcam?

[14:37:35]

lyricnz:

" dvbcam " – DVB CAM debugging messages

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lyricnz:

I probably added anything that looked tuner/dvb related

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justinh:

looks like proper kernel support is at least on its way for that chipset

[14:38:29]

lyricnz:

Yeah, I see talk about that

[14:42:41]

justinh:

anyway there's no guarantee the broadcaster isn't doing something funky you know

[14:42:52]

lyricnz:

how do I correlate the "PID 0x902" part back to a channel?

[14:42:57]

justinh:

just cos it looks fine on a digital TV / STB – doesn't mean it's all good

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justinh:

you don't, at least not easily

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justinh:

femon should be able to tell you what frequency a tuner is on though, IIRC

[14:45:24]

justinh:

heh nope

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lyricnz:

My debug has dumps out the program number => PID from the Program Association Table.

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lyricnz:

but "program number" isn't directly in {channel} that I can see

[14:47:02]

justinh:

dvbsnoop -s feinfo tells which freq. is currently tuned to

[14:47:17]

justinh:

no it isn't. of course it's not – because PIDs can change on the fly

[14:47:36]

justinh:

the PIDs of everything on a mux/transponder are broadcast in a table

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lyricnz:

that's the PAT I referred to ^

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lyricnz:

right?

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justinh:

I think so

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lyricnz:

http://pastebin.com/rsQHQUqx

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justinh:

and?

[14:53:05]

lyricnz:

just trying to track the pid->program number->channel somehow

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justinh:

channel is irrelevant

[14:54:41]

lyricnz:

I'm trying to see if there's a correlation between the discontinuity and the channel or mplex

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justinh:

mythbackend is listening to the whole of the multiplex the whole time & doing its own PID filtering. discontinuities in some PIDs are inevitable sometimes, especially if they're lying about CRCs embedded in the stream

[14:55:12]

lyricnz:

actually, if I look far enough back in log, I can see what program it was trying to record, then look up in my recordings where that's taped from

[14:55:27]

lyricnz:

see if its one broadcaster playing silly buggers

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justinh:

it's most likely to be the mux

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justinh:

the mux is where all the channels are aggregated into one stream

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justinh:

hometime!

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loganRun:

all my recorded shows seem to have disappeared from the database, what should I do

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loganRun:

I tried the optimize and repair table options from the web interface, but no luck

[16:35:58]

gregL:

loganRun, Try this from a terminal... mysqlcheck -u root -p --repair mythconverg

[16:38:31]

loganRun:

no that didn't do it either

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loganRun:

doesn't mythtv create periodic backups of the database or something?

[16:39:25]

wagnerrp:

mythtv only creates backups when it updates the schema

[16:39:37]

wagnerrp:

however there are tools you can run in cron on your own to otherwise do so

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loganRun:

yeah guess I'll have to do that in the future...don't think I have backed it up otherwise

[16:40:36]

wagnerrp:

could you run 'select count(1) from recorded;'?

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loganRun:

how do I do that

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wagnerrp:

'mysql mythconverg'

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wagnerrp:

possibly 'mysql -umythtv -pmythtv mythconverg'

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loganRun:

yes, that seems to work. tried select * from recorded and a lot of stuff showed up

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wagnerrp:

and the result?

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wagnerrp:

i want 'count(1)', not '*'

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loganRun:

+----------+

[16:43:21]

loganRun:

| count(1) |

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loganRun:

+----------+

[16:43:21]

loganRun:

| 473 |

[16:43:21]

loganRun:

+----------+

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abqjp:

taylorr: Someone reported that adding irqpoll to the kernel boot parameters greatly improved the stability of his HD-PVRs. It has something to do with making sure the HD-PVR driver actually sees the interrupts. I am pretty sure that was *not* my problem, since my HD-PVR were nice and stable for two years before I suddenly had a problem. Replacing the hard drive is much more likely to be what fixed it for me.

[16:43:29]

wagnerrp:

how many recordings does it return, and is that what you expect?

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loganRun:

that is possibly right

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wagnerrp:

and the recordings are not showing up in the frontend?

[16:44:24]

wagnerrp:

have you changed your backend hostname?

[16:44:28]

wagnerrp:

is your backend running?

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loganRun:

well I was trying the web interface, let me check the frontent per se

[16:44:47]

wagnerrp:

on the web interface, do you have a filter set at the top?

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loganRun:

o.k. I don't think anything was visble through the frontend before, but now I can see them via the frontend, just not the web interface

[16:46:37]

loganRun:

ahh got it I think, we browser problem

[16:46:58]

loganRun:

but to the point I think I need to set up a periodic cron backup, do I just backup the mythconverg folder?

[16:47:59]

wagnerrp:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_and_Restore

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wagnerrp:

sphery: any reason youve never stuffed that stuff into the housekeeper?

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loganRun:

thanks

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mycosys:

what would attempting to run 2 x servers on 1 console do to vaapi/vdpau etc?

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sphery:

wagnerrp: data integrity and inability to know when is a good time to do it, primarily. We don't want to do it when performing some operation that makes changes in the DB--ideally we'd lock the DB from all write access before backing up, but we can't do that until we go embedded/single-process-access.

[16:53:43]

wagnerrp:

mycosys: eh?

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mycosys:

2 Xservers

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mycosys:

on 2 virtual terminals

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wagnerrp:

like nested x servers?

[16:54:13]

mycosys:

on one console

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mycosys:

nah, not nested

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mycosys:

one running vt7, one runnign vt8

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wagnerrp:

or one on vt7 and one on vt8

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wagnerrp:

oof... something is hammering my disk and making xchat unresponsive

[16:55:02]

mycosys:

(2:39:55 AM) pladijs: the idea was that i would easily swith between myth and an x session where i could check my mail, say.

[16:55:18]

wagnerrp:

anyway, two servers running at the same time should not be a problem

[16:55:30]

wagnerrp:

however you can only have one active playback at any given time

[16:55:48]

wagnerrp:

if you have a playback window open but paused on one screen

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mycosys:

the dude seemed to be having sound issues

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wagnerrp:

it will block creation of a VDPAU window on any other screen

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wagnerrp:

sound is completely unrelated to vdpau/vaapi

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mycosys:

yeah – just vaapi seemed like an obvious gotcha for it

[16:57:08]

wagnerrp:

however if using passthrough audio, an active lock by one application would prevent another from outputting anything

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mycosys:

thx for info – i better get to bed – is 3am lol

[17:05:01]

wagnerrp:

why do i only have 8GB free on my root drive?

[17:06:21]

wagnerrp:

75GB used by my mail server???

[17:06:34]

sphery:

wow, lotta mail

[17:07:02]

wagnerrp:

no wonder my system has been unresponsive

[17:07:04]

sphery:

I've got 28MB

[17:07:33]

wagnerrp:

heh, it should be no longer than a couple MB

[17:07:34]

sphery:

wow, that's smaller than I'd have guessed

[17:07:47]

wagnerrp:

erm.. GB

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sphery:

I do have a lot of historical garbage in there

[17:08:12]

sphery:

but my 28MB contains auto-backups, too

[17:08:55]

sphery:

guess not... no backups. Just a 28MB db

[17:09:19]

wagnerrp:

spamassassin has gone absolutely nuts

[17:09:26]

sphery:

someone didn't lean his lesson when he lost the HDD on his mail server last time

[17:09:31]

sphery:

didn't learn it, either

[17:09:58]

wagnerrp:

'/bin/rm: Argument list too long.'

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wagnerrp:

well crap!

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sphery:

heh

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sphery:

rm a* ; rm b*; ... :)

[17:11:14]

sphery:

so your anti-spam program is spamming your root drive

[17:11:26]

wagnerrp:

and... ive lost another 10MB of storage

[17:11:32]

wagnerrp:

WTF is that space going

[17:11:57]

sphery:

Lost (in) Space

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wagnerrp:

spamassassin was making a bunch of files, but apparently they were small enough to be inconsequential

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sphery:

so that's not your missing GB?

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sphery:

maybe some hacker put a bunch of illegal file copies on there, opened them, deleted them, and is using your system to serve them

[17:15:06]

wagnerrp:

ooh, no... it is spamassassin

[17:16:41]

wagnerrp:

http://pastebin.com/gU2EM301

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sphery:

wow

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sphery:

sure that's not HDDAssassin?

[17:19:24]

sphery:

that's what, like 400GB?

[17:20:13]

wagnerrp:

yeah, on a 320GB mirror.... :)

[17:20:28]

sphery:

wow

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wagnerrp:

thank god for inline file compression

[17:21:01]

highzeth:

looks like sa-learn has failed several times there

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sphery:

I just recently increased the size of my root partitions from 16GB to 20GB, since all my HDDs are getting large enough that 4GB isn't important

[17:22:15]

wagnerrp:

that 400GB of sa tokens was only taking some 60GB of disk space

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sphery:

I'm guessing that inline file compression would explain the performance issues you mentioned, too--when working on that much data

[17:22:27]

wagnerrp:

yeah

[17:22:52]

wagnerrp:

but i would much rather have inline compression result in drastic performance issue that cause me to look for the problem

[17:23:05]

wagnerrp:

rather than suddenly run out of disk space at 3am

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sphery:

yeah, I'm a fan of brokenness showing signs

[17:25:29]

sphery:

if there are no signs, you tend to run broken

[17:30:14]

wagnerrp:

so i deleted that 400GB of garbage, and cleared off 9GB of disk space

[17:30:20]

wagnerrp:

i cant figure out where its going

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mag0o:

maybe /dev/null is actually bigger than you think, being compressed and all ;)

[17:31:24]

wagnerrp:

no, zfs is telling me the storage is being consumed by postfix's home folder

[17:31:38]

wagnerrp:

yet du only sees a couple GB of data in there

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sphery:

maybe /dev/zero is filling up the drive--it's /full/ of 0s

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sphery:

wagnerrp: that spindown thread... don't modern drives typically do that themselves?

[17:46:02]

sphery:

or is it just some, like Caviar Green?

[17:46:22]

wagnerrp:

only the greens do that

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sphery:

ahhh

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sphery:

do you spin down or not?

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wagnerrp:

the rest wait for the OS to allow them like good drives

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sphery:

I've never configured it--used to think it wasn't worth the cycling

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wagnerrp:

my greens spin down since i havent configured them not to

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sphery:

then, I mistakenly had the impression it was happening, anyway

[17:47:30]

sphery:

yeah, I used the wd program to change spin down on my greens to 5min, instead of 8s

[17:47:33]

wagnerrp:

i tried using spindown formerly on my RAID card

[17:47:41]

wagnerrp:

but it resulted in data corruption somehow, so i disabled it

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sphery:

heh, data corruption is bad

[17:48:12]

wagnerrp:

although to be honest, i dont remember whether i was using ZFS or UFS at the time

[17:48:21]

wagnerrp:

and i dont remember how i discovered the corruption

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sphery:

UFS = ugly file system?

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wagnerrp:

unix

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sphery:

ah... aka Berkeley Fast File System, BSD Fast File System, or FFS

[17:49:00]

sphery:

I like the last

[17:49:04]

sphery:

FFS!

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sphery:

per http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_File_System

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sphery:

so, now my big concern is what will happen with CoreBoot, EFI, OpenBIOS, ...

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wagnerrp:

i dont understand why the system needs to scan and initialize all hardware on each boot

[17:52:17]

wagnerrp:

just store the previous configuration, and run with that

[17:52:32]

wagnerrp:

if you change the hardware configuration, youre going to be inside the system already

[17:52:50]

wagnerrp:

have a device like the CMOS jumper that triggers a rescan

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wagnerrp:

or a boot time keyboard option to otherwise do so

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sphery:

that sounds good to me

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sphery:

ah, great, now DVD menus are patented and a patent troll is suing companies that use them

[18:19:01]

sphery:

our patent law is so broken

[18:19:48]

wagnerrp:

good thing, since their patent is due to run out in about a year

[18:20:24]

sphery:

ooh, yeah, better make good use of it while it's still valid

[18:21:12]

wagnerrp:

(me is guessing based on the fact that the DVD menuing system was designed 16 years ago, so any patent newer than that would be invalidated by prior art)

[18:21:53]

wagnerrp:

got a link?

[18:22:52]

sphery:

http://www.reghardware.com/2011/05/11/patent_ . . . _dvd_makers/ and I haven't read (and won't read) the link to the actual patent included in the story

[18:23:07]

sphery:

The patent was filed with the US Patents and Trademarks Office in May 1994 and granted three years later, in November 1997.

[18:23:30]

wagnerrp:

so may '94

[18:23:36]

wagnerrp:

they literally have weeks available to sue people

[18:24:02]

sphery:

does expiry happen based on filing date or approval date?

[18:24:22]

wagnerrp:

filing date

[18:24:39]

wagnerrp:

everything is based off the filing date

[18:24:46]

wagnerrp:

but they cant start suing people until the approval date

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sphery:

and what's the time for it? 18yrs?

[18:25:05]

sphery:

wouldn't that mean one more year?

[18:25:14]

wagnerrp:

i thought 17

[18:26:02]

sphery:

hmm, http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview/id/2434.html says, "used to be 17

[18:26:05]

sphery:

years from issue, and is now 20 years from the filing date"

[18:26:21]

wagnerrp:

for applications filed before june 8 '95, it is 17 years from the issue date

[18:26:38]

sphery:

so that means this would be 17yrs from Nov '97

[18:26:47]

wagnerrp:

thats a shame

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sphery:

yeah

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sphery:

will allow them to sue the BluRay guys, too, though

[18:27:19]

sphery:

that's good--I'd hate for Patent Harbor employees to go hungry

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wagnerrp:

IMHO, you wait 14 years from issue date to start defending your patent against widespread use, your patent is instantly null and void

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sphery:

agreed

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wagnerrp:

wait wait wait...

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sphery:

or you sue Men At Work 28 years after the release of Down Under for having a riff that you think infringes the copyright of Kookaburra, you should instantly lose the case

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wagnerrp:

this patent is talking about using a menu produced by taking frames out of a video sequence, and using that menu to control a robotic camera?

[18:32:53]

sphery:

of course, the judges don't agree on that one

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wagnerrp:

how does that have any relevance to DVDs or BluRay

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sphery:

heh, it's not what you actually patent, it's what you can make a jury believe that's important

[18:33:42]

sphery:

(or even just making a company think it's cheaper to pay you off than fight the battle)

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wagnerrp:

this robotically mounted camera controlled by the menuing system seems pretty key

[18:35:40]

wagnerrp:

and it seems like the video sent to the menu is generated in real time, rather than being pre-recorded

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sphery:

heh, Castle makes a reference to the movie Capricorn One, so I decide I need to watch it next, but it doesn't record until the 14th

[19:17:56]

sphery:

(the movie Capricorn One, not a Castle episode)

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ivanl_:

Hey, anybody knows how to tell myth to use specific hardware decoder? I have CrystalHD with modules / libs installed and 0.24 built with support for CrystalHD. Myth tries VDPAU, but I can't see anything about CrystalHD in the logs.

[19:31:33]

sphery:

ivanl_: I don't know anything about crystalhd, specifically, but in general, you specify the decoder in the Playback Profile. So, Utilities/Setup|Setup|TV Settings|Playback, 3rd screen

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sphery:

my recommendation is to create your own, new, playback profile group, rather than edit one of the "example" ones we give

[19:32:34]

sphery:

that way you won't confuse people by saying, "I'm using High Quality playback profile group", when what you're using is nothing like the High Quality example every else knows :)

[19:32:51]

sphery:

See, also, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Playback_profiles

[19:33:37]

sphery:

which really need rewriting to remove the unimportant details (what each default is--since CPU* no longer exist and we now have VDPAU groups, too) and actually give useful user info

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ivanl_:

Just what I needed. Thanks very much. Wiki is a bit thin on Crystal HD, I'll try to update a bit when I get things working.

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sphery:

cool

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sphery:

feel free to add some more user-useful stuff to the playback profiles page, too

[19:35:01]

sphery:

as well as info/links to it on http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/CrystalHD

[19:35:38]

sphery:

heh, since http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/CrystalHD#Configuring_MythTV is /definitely/ in the "thin" category

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wagnerrp:

i was under the impression there were some serious driver issues that needed to be resolved before CHD use could be recommended

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justinh:

all hardware decoding routes have some kind of snafu one way or the other IMHO :-)

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sphery:

heh, yeah

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sphery:

nice to have, but nicer to not need it

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justinh:

ah nuts, my web hosting account is up for renewal

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justinh:

and as luck would have it, gmail showed me a relevant ad for a much cheaper host. but I've never heard of them

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mag0o:

hehe

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Captain_Murdoch:

luck, or targetted advertising....

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justinh:

still, 40GB per month bw, 5GB space, 2 mysql, unlimited email yada yada.. Â£16.49 per year

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justinh:

then again I launched the site on a cheap host & it ended up with about 30% time online

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mag0o:

eww

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justinh:

ruh? this host has the same domain tag as the one I'm using now

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sphery:

I hear you should put it on the Cloud. Then, when you have 2 weeks of downtime, a certain provider will give you 8hrs credit.

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justinh:

woohoo! LOL

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sphery:

(where the provider claims that if the users had done the right thing they would have only suffered 8hrs downtime, but because they didn't have proper selection of nodes, it resulted in 2wks downtime)

[20:38:00]

sphery:

or something like that

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justinh:

ruh ruh ruh ? And the same nameservers too? Maybe these are a reseller

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sphery:

what's the new one

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sphery:

AIUI, the #1 domain and hosting provider is GoDaddy, and the #2 domain and hosting provider is GoDaddy (resellers).

[20:39:17]

sphery:

#1 and #2 by number of accounts, that is

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justinh:

andthenhost.com – same servers as heartinternet who provide the current lot via a reseller friend of mine

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justinh:

same nameservers, same tag.. smells like another reseller to me

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justinh:

come to think, maybe I'll sit on it. I've not been paid for this year's hosting yet :-\

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sphery:

OK, the absolute worst part of watching a series a couple seasons behind current is seeing the commercials for other pretty good series that were cancelled.

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sphery:

it's like re-living the pain of cancellation when a commercial break starts or ends.

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Josh``:

Is the transport ID valid on ATSC streams?

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Josh``:

ahh, looks like its not a DVB-only thing.

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iamlindoro:

sphery: co... mmercials?

[21:01:06]

sphery:

heh, when you skip, but you have to skip back a bit

[21:01:10]

sphery:

or you go to get some food

[21:01:14]

sphery:

you still see or hear them

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iamlindoro:

that's why god made pause buttons

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sphery:

or when it's the first one in the break

[21:01:36]

iamlindoro:

I'll take however long getting food I please!

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sphery:

heh, but if I pause it, I'm not motivated to hurry back!

[21:01:57]

iamlindoro:

Then you probably don't care about watching that much :)

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sphery:

heh

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: FWIW : http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Movies+Promotions . . . DCMP=rdr5098

[21:07:55]

iamlindoro:

Some pretty decent titles on that list if you'r ok with dumping 4–5 DVDs per Blu-ray to get it for free

[21:08:25]

iamlindoro:

Though I do marvel that they actually put "Barb Wire" on Blu-ray

[21:09:27]

wagnerrp:

is that the baywatch biker superhero thing?

[21:09:47]

iamlindoro:

I know Pam Anderson is in it, and that it was an action movie, but that's all I know

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high-rez:

Is that list dvd's taht they'll accept – or blurays that you'll get coupons for ?

[21:10:31]

iamlindoro:

The latter

[21:10:42]

iamlindoro:

They'll accept any commercially released DVD

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iamlindoro:

Which for me might be worth it-- I've got literally hundreds, many of which I've replaced with Blu-ray already

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high-rez:

Man, I have a bunch of terrible movies my exgf made me by

[21:11:11]

high-rez:

(on dvd)

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iamlindoro:

so I could take all the doubles and get a few dozen blu-rays... unfortunately you can only redeem 5 per visit, but a daily visit on the way home might work

[21:11:25]

** wagnerrp was always partial to bleath **

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high-rez:

s/by/buy

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sphery:

sounds like a good deal--after all, blu-rays can store >5x as much as a DVD, so trading 5 DVDs for a BluRay works out

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JEDIDIAH__:

...definitely only worthwhile for doubles

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iamlindoro:

sphery: heh

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wagnerrp:

doubles, as in movies you have twice?

[21:13:19]

iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: yes. Items where I own both the DVD and the Blu-ray

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high-rez:

I wouldn't want to own most of the movies on that list, but there's some good ones too

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high-rez:

"Adult content DVDs not accepted"

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high-rez:

Heh

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sphery:

so is BestBuy actually starting a used DVD racket?

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iamlindoro:

Like I'd give those up anyway!

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justinh:

what about DVD-Rs ? ;-)

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high-rez:

I'd hate to be the guy behind the counter of a place that does accept AC DVDs in trade. :)

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iamlindoro:

justinh: explicitly excluded :)

[21:18:10]

iamlindoro:

I want an extra $2 credit for Back Door Hussies 9

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sphery:

high-rez: Be kind! Please re-sanitize!

[21:18:26]

sphery:

ok, doesn't fit as well as rewind, but...

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justinh:

lol

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iamlindoro:

But MUCH better advice

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high-rez:

Hah

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justinh:

reminds me of a line from a very old adventure game where you're in a library & somebody asks what kind of book you're looking for. You say PORN & it replies "we used to keep that kind of book here but they always came back with the pages stuck together"#

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iamlindoro:

sounds INFOCOMy

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iamlindoro:

they were fans of putting that kind of thing in

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iamlindoro:

I remember a number of their games where they'd kill you immediately for trying to do unacceptable sorts of things

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iamlindoro:

Not that I ever would, heaven forbid

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sphery:

heh, I would have guessed LSL, but I don't think they'd ever put a library in LSL.

[21:21:40]

justinh:

was a British game on the Spectrum IIRC

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grumpydevil:

anyone here with mceusb experience?

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iamlindoro:

Heh, I was thinking about some game or other from Infocom where you could repeatedly kiss a woman, and they'd warn you and warn you, and then kill you in some totally random manner

[21:22:42]

iamlindoro:

ie, a safe would fall on you

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sphery:

heh

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justinh:

lol

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grumpydevil:

at reboot the mce usb device is often not detected. Any ideas here?

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high-rez:

Hah. LSL. Why are there no games like that now?

[21:31:38]

high-rez:

Wow, there was a 2009 LSL release.

[21:32:24]

iamlindoro:

Because Leisure Suit Larry never killed scores of enemies in increasingly gory and mindless fashion, never teabagged anyone online, and never made homophobic remarks via live chat. The gaming industry has evolved.

[21:33:11]

sphery:

yeah, I just recently threw away my LSL collection--it was on 5 1/4" floppies, so I figured it's better to just buy a new release than try to make it work on FreeDOS (and by somehow getting the data off those floppies)

[21:33:39]

sphery:

I'm waiting for the Steam release, now

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sphery:

:)

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high-rez:

Looks like the latest game was terrible.

[21:34:02]

iamlindoro:

I don't think Al Lowe has been involved in a long, long time

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sphery:

right, the new one didn't have him... they did a "rollup" release of the classic Al Lowe ones on modern media sometime in the noughts

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iamlindoro:

So rather than being games with clever and fairly tame/gentle double entendre, I think the last few were more cartoon action porn

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sphery:

I considered getting it

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iamlindoro:

sphery: yeah, one of the Sierra collections

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anykey_:

hm, when adding a second backend, can it store the recordings on the master backend, without me mounting the master backend storage with NFS or something on the slave?

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iamlindoro:

Somewhere right after King's Quest 6, Sierra forgot how to make good adventure games

[21:36:07]

iamlindoro:

and instead started to make increasingly expensive technology experiments

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iamlindoro:

Right around the time Origin forgot how to make good flight sims and RPGs, now that I think about it

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iamlindoro:

Sadly, Lucasarts games were getting better and better until they abandoned them altogether...

[21:37:14]

sphery:

yeah, I don't remember a good Sierra game in recent times

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iamlindoro:

I still play Grim Fandango when the mood strikes me

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high-rez:

I might get flamed for saying it, but I think the original tribes was the last good sierra release.

[21:37:54]

sphery:

oooh, Tribes 2 was good, too

[21:38:00]

sphery:

Tribes Vengeance, not so much

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high-rez:

I was inline on the release day of 2. I think 2 was a bit of a disappointment.

[21:38:43]

iamlindoro:

Oooh, wow, the ScummVM spinoff to handle Grim Fandango can now play the game all the way through!

[21:38:46]

sphery:

really... I started with 2, so don't know what I missed on 1

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sphery:

high-rez: have you seen tribesnext.com ?

[21:39:11]

sphery:

it works--biggest problem is that the people who still play it are so good it's not even fun

[21:39:48]

sphery:

I used to be accurate with my spinfuzor, but that's not a riding-a-bike kind of skill

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high-rez:

Yeah, I hate that. I tried to play UT (I was good at UT many many years ago) but the people who still played it were so insanely good that I couldn't even get back into it.

[21:41:07]

high-rez:

I think often with the old games too, you end up getting a lot of people using aimbots and whatnot.

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sphery:

yeah. the best part of T2 for me was that we had a group of about 12 people who would play it online, so we could do our own thing

[21:41:29]

sphery:

unfortunately, everyone else in that group grew up, so now I have no one to play with

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high-rez:

My wife got me a new video card for my 30th bday. I spent some time playing games, and realized I'm just too old to be relevant now ;)

[21:44:43]

high-rez:

My years of playing in clans and dominating on public servers are 5–10 years behind me.

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sphery:

though I still love T2, as opposed to Chromehounds... Best mech game ever, and Sega shut down the server (in violation of MS's XBL policy--seems MS turned a blind eye due to the real possibility of Sega's bankruptcy)

[21:46:46]

high-rez:

Is that a Live game ?

[21:47:11]

sphery:

used to be :)

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sphery:

without the servers, you can now only use the (really short/bad) single player portion

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sphery:

and can't get the vast majority of achievements

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high-rez:

A friend bought me a live game so he could play with me on his 360 – but I couldn't bring myself to paying for a service where the servers aren't even hosted by the company

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sphery:

I don't know if it was available on windows, but it was definitely on 360

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sphery:

I think in most (all?) games, GFWL users can't play against XBL users

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high-rez:

I've been playing TF2 lately. Its repetitive, but easy to get into and fun.

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sphery:

heh, yeah, I love the cartoony-ness of TF2

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high-rez:

Shadow Run was the game where PC users played against 360 users (the one I was given as a gift)

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sphery:

though it really needs a /lot/ more maps--and bigger maps

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sphery:

ah, cool--didn't know they had enabled that on any

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high-rez:

People would always complain on that game that the PC users were cheats etc, but in reality, a keyboard and mouse is just better for those types of games.

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high-rez:

(not to start a religious war or anything :-)

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sphery:

I was very impressed with the Portal 2 Steam on PS3 thing... I really want all games to go to something like that--and include an option for me to pay for a "platform change" (so I never again get stuck buying XBox RRoD consoles just because I have enough games that switching platforms is more expensive than not)

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sphery:

by which I mean rewarding a company that was incompetent in hardware design by buying more broken consoles to replace the consoles that fail due to design flaws

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high-rez:

Yeah. My friend who bought me shadow run doesn't even play his 360 anymore because he had it replaced twice under warranty, and the third time it died he just gave up on the platform.

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sphery:

and, yeah, I do see many advantages of keyboard/mouse control--just not enough to be willing to invest in the kind of computer hardware (and constant upgrades) many of these games require

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sphery:

yeah, I had mine replaced 2x under warranty, 3rd time it failed, it turned out to be the PSU, so I reluctantly gave MS $40 for another

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sphery:

then I mod'ed the CPU/GPU HS/Fan installation to try to make a RRoD less likely

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high-rez:

I almost got a console the other day instead of the new video card for my bday. It was a tough deicsion, it would have beeen quite appealing to play games on the TV with my surround sound. But given that they were roughly the same cost ($150 for the console or $150 for a Geforce 460) – the open question was will the wife play games on the console if I got one? Answer was no, so the video card won out ;)

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sphery:

yeah, and in truth, console games often don't have much in the way of multiplayer on a single console, any more

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sphery:

they're all too focused on the online offerings

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high-rez:

Yeah. Split screen is a bit of a thing of the past.

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high-rez:

I also think that Steam really makes my PC appealing – though I understand (and as you mentioned) its available on consoles too now.

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sphery:

well, only portal 2, AIUI

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sphery:

but I /want/ it on all games

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sphery:

(and only Portal 2 PS3--not XB360)

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clever:

high-rez: you can always get a dvi->hdmi adapter and play it on the big-screen anyways

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NewBuntu81:

how well do they work? any issues with the adapters? i've always wondered.

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high-rez:

clever: The card has hdmi out (and audio too). Its less of a technical question, and more of a 'wife approval to put PC in living room' question :)

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clever:

high-rez: ah

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clever:

ive already got 2 towers in the kitchen, one had a composite line running all the way to the tv

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clever:

its since been replaced by a laptop, vga

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clever:

'd directly into the tv

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high-rez:

NewBuntu81: For the most part DVI->HDMI just works. You just don't get audio (though it think some adapters allow you to patch in audio too)

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clever:

the hinges on the laptop are already busted, so i just took the entire screen off

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clever:

its now a just a keyboard sitting under the tv, where you would expect to find the STB

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NewBuntu81:

ah ok.

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high-rez:

clever: I have an HP Mini laptop I'm considering to the same with for my frontend downstairs.

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NewBuntu81:

wow, i hadn't thought about the severe flooding along the mississippi....they did studies of the flood waters and it's very contaminated. not good :-(

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NULL[NULL[0]]:

hi

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sphery:

wagnerrp: wow, Caitlin Todd is on House

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NewBuntu81:

Was lirc 0.9.0 updated to remove the Windows Media Center option? I'm not seeing it.

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