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| [00:46:07] | ** Beirdo re-rips Jethro Tull – War Child ** | |
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| [01:22:02] | Beirdo: | oh USB, you fickle whore. |
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| [01:22:35] | Beirdo: | I plugged in another device, and it reset my USB audio capture device |
| [01:22:57] | Beirdo: | so now I get to rip this side of the album again. |
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| [01:32:41] | Beirdo: | mycosys: flappy-flappy! |
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| [01:35:23] | hoolio: | /kickban mycosys |
| [01:35:37] | mycosys: | stupid uni network |
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| [02:06:51] | mrl: | Hi, I'm having playback issues where my remote frontend keeps losing the connection to the master backend. Playback will freeze, and it is accompanied by the following backend log entries: |
| [02:06:53] | mrl: | 2011-05–09 12:03:44.287 MythSocket(ffffffffac909928:17): readStringList: Error, timed out after 30000 ms. |
| [02:06:53] | mrl: | 2011-05–09 12:03:44.369 Slave backend: mythfrt01 no longer connected |
| [02:06:53] | mrl: | 2011-05–09 12:03:44.444 PlaybackSock::SendReceiveStringList(): No response. |
| [02:06:53] | mrl: | 2011-05–09 12:03:44.287 MainServer::ANN Monitor |
| [02:06:54] | mrl: | 2011-05–09 12:03:44.445 MythSocket(ffffffffac909928:-1): writeStringList: Error, called with unconnected socket. |
| [02:06:57] | mrl: | 2011-05–09 12:03:44.553 MainServer, Warning: Unknown socket closing MythSocket(0xffffffffacba1fa8) |
| [02:06:59] | mrl: | 2011-05–09 12:03:44.644 adding: mythfrt01 as a client (events: 0) |
| [02:07:01] | mrl: | 2011-05–09 12:03:44.744 MythSocket(ffffffffac909928:-1): readStringList: Error, called with unconnected socket. |
| [02:07:04] | mrl: | 2011-05–09 12:03:44.820 MythSocket(ffffffffacba1fa8:-1): writeStringList: Error, socket went unconnected. |
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| [02:08:38] | Beirdo: | please use pastebin.com, do not paste |
| [02:09:38] | mrl: | Apologies – http://paste.ubuntu.com/605026/ |
| [02:12:31] | Beirdo: | that's a known bug that's being investigated |
| [02:12:51] | hoolio: | mrl, is your lan adequate? |
| [02:13:01] | hoolio: | not using wireless for instance? |
| [02:13:32] | mrl: | No, it is an ethernet connection. |
| [02:14:02] | mrl: | When I was using 0.23, I had no issues, these errors have coincided with an upgrade to 0.24 |
| [02:14:46] | mrl: | I clean installed when I did this (mythbuntu 10.10 -> 11.04), I'm sure I have messed something up with the networking, I just don't know what. |
| [02:15:28] | hoolio: | 11.04 |
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| [02:15:43] | Beirdo: | yeah, so it coincided with a lot more than mythtv upgrades :) |
| [02:15:43] | hoolio: | are you using the 11.04 packages or the mythubuntu repos? |
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| [02:16:50] | mrl: | dpkg -l here: http://paste.ubuntu.com/605029/ |
| [02:17:02] | mrl: | I downloaded the iso from the mythbuntu site. |
| [02:19:05] | hoolio: | can you try |
| [02:19:08] | hoolio: | $ dpkg -l | grep -i myth |
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| [02:20:48] | mrl: | http://paste.ubuntu.com/605031/ |
| [02:23:57] | hoolio_: | um |
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| [02:30:11] | mrl: | So would there be a way to tell if it is something non-myth related? Some sort of mysql command maybe? |
| [02:31:46] | wagnerrp: | no, its myth related |
| [02:31:52] | wagnerrp: | as beirdo mentioned, its a known bug |
| [02:32:28] | mrl: | ok. I tried searching based on the log entries and couldn't find anything relevant, you wouldn't have a ticket # would you? |
| [02:33:09] | Beirdo: | these RF headphones work a lot better away from the frontend and backend boxes, which are doubtless spewing RF interference |
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| [02:48:56] | wagnerrp: | theyre not digital? |
| [02:49:09] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: ^^^ |
| [02:51:20] | Beirdo: | no, unfortunately |
| [02:51:34] | Beirdo: | FM radio at 426MHz, I think it is |
| [02:53:28] | Beirdo: | Sennheisers... you'd think they'd have gone the extra yard and made them digital |
| [02:53:48] | Beirdo: | And now for the song I bought this LP for... |
| [02:53:56] | Beirdo: | Trooper – Raise A Little Hell |
| [02:54:15] | Beirdo: | not that the rest of the album's bad :) |
| [02:54:31] | Beirdo: | music from when I was 5. hehehe |
| [02:54:57] | wagnerrp: | do you remember some setting where it would automatically set a bookmark if you exited playback before the end? |
| [02:55:37] | wagnerrp: | nevermind, found it |
| [02:55:50] | wagnerrp: | its a spinbox, rather than a checkbox |
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| [03:00:15] | hoolio: | i like mythtv |
| [03:00:18] | hoolio: | it's cooool. |
| [03:00:50] | hoolio: | thanks to anyone and everyone whoever has made myth a reality. |
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| [03:49:52] | rhpot1991: | so comcast must have done something to some of my HDHR channels, 2 of them were failing, I deleted them and rescanned for them. Now they work for recordings again, but I see TLAMGV before erroring out with "error opening jump program file buffer" |
| [04:10:12] | hoolio: | hrm |
| [04:10:33] | hoolio: | why would that happen? |
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| [06:00:44] | mrluksom: | Hi, I have a question: With a remote frontend, how do I prevent it from becoming a slave backend? |
| [06:00:55] | [R]: | mrluksom: dont run mythbackend |
| [06:01:43] | mrluksom: | Ok, seems pretty simple. How do I prevent it from starting on bootup? |
| [06:01:57] | hoolio: | don't install it. |
| [06:02:21] | [R]: | sounds like a dist question |
| [06:02:22] | [R]: | not a myth question |
| [06:02:36] | mrluksom: | oic, thanks R. I can handle that. |
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| [06:30:23] | hoolio: | In the last 24 hours, 42969 people registered, and 10865 people bought minecraft |
| [06:30:40] | Beirdo: | and nobody cared |
| [06:31:05] | Beirdo: | one of my coworkers goes on and on about that stupid thing... |
| [06:31:28] | Beirdo: | if he'd put as much energy into coding an open source project.... |
| [06:31:45] | wagnerrp: | and then you proceed to load up quake with similar graphics running on a 5yr old smart phone |
| [06:31:49] | wagnerrp: | :) |
| [06:31:58] | hoolio: | :) |
| [06:32:05] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [06:32:14] | Beirdo: | kinda tempting, isn't it? |
| [06:32:37] | wagnerrp: | im sure you can find a copy that runs on your nook |
| [06:32:46] | Beirdo: | hehehe |
| [06:32:54] | hoolio: | once i heard someone say the world is divided into two halves; those that have read lord of the rings, and those that intend to. |
| [06:33:04] | hoolio: | i wonder if it is the same with minecraft. |
| [06:33:04] | [R]: | oh man, its an extended trailer for the hangover 2 |
| [06:33:06] | [R]: | so AWESOME |
| [06:33:32] | Beirdo: | I intend to never touch minecraft with a 50ft pole. |
| [06:33:49] | Beirdo: | got too many other things use use up my every waking second, thanks |
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| [06:34:44] | hoolio: | :) that's what i said |
| [06:35:08] | hoolio: | although, i said that about WOW too and haven't gone there |
| [06:35:39] | Beirdo: | never gonna play that either |
| [06:36:16] | hoolio: | so, is it to people like you who code myth that i can thank while meanwhile i get to play minecraft? |
| [06:36:18] | hoolio: | ;) :) |
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| [06:36:42] | Beirdo: | heh, enjoy your silly game :) |
| [06:36:49] | wagnerrp: | only for the past year or so |
| [06:36:53] | Beirdo: | I'm busily ripping LPs tonight |
| [06:37:17] | Beirdo: | and before that too for me, but mostly over the last year, yeah |
| [06:37:20] | wagnerrp: | he had disappeared off the deep end of the atlantic for a few years prior to that |
| [06:37:29] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [06:37:53] | Beirdo: | the black hole known as marriage |
| [06:38:05] | wagnerrp: | the bot serving a silent reminder that someone was still alive paying the server bills |
| [06:38:11] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [06:38:28] | Beirdo: | and impressing me at how well it stayed running |
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| [06:38:41] | Beirdo: | I think I kicked it a total of like 3 times in 4 years |
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| [06:39:48] | Beirdo: | but once I could again actually use mythtv, well... |
| [06:39:51] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [06:39:52] | justinh: | the company funded racing car crashed at the weekend. oh dear. cue a sickening all-company email |
| [06:40:01] | Beirdo: | stupid cable provider |
| [06:40:30] | wagnerrp: | come now, a crash means cameras and press |
| [06:40:46] | wagnerrp: | cameras and press replaying your company logo dozens of times in gory detail |
| [06:40:54] | wagnerrp: | surely thats worth at least as much as a win |
| [06:40:59] | justinh: | lol |
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| [06:41:21] | justinh: | not good that the CEO was at the wheel at the time |
| [06:41:39] | Beirdo: | oh? |
| [06:41:52] | justinh: | as an allegory ;-) |
| [06:42:01] | wagnerrp: | so this wasnt during a race? |
| [06:42:13] | wagnerrp: | the CEO was out having some fun on the track? |
| [06:42:28] | Beirdo: | showing off to the young women? |
| [06:42:34] | justinh: | no it was during a race. a competitor in a test car did a mad overtaking manoevre & wiped out the car apparently |
| [06:43:41] | justinh: | he's totally ok, bar a few bruises according to the email. the car may not be salvageable |
| [06:44:11] | justinh: | a bit like the company :-) |
| [06:44:18] | wagnerrp: | what circuit? |
| [06:44:19] | Beirdo: | maybe he'll learn to leave the racing to the race car drivers |
| [06:44:41] | justinh: | Spa-Francorchamps in Belgium |
| [06:44:45] | justinh: | never heard of it |
| [06:44:51] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: or the horses? |
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| [06:45:47] | wagnerrp: | you know, we actually have that on signs around here |
| [06:46:03] | wagnerrp: | "leave the racin' to the horses" |
| [06:46:12] | justinh: | heheheh |
| [06:46:16] | justinh: | that's funny |
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| [06:46:40] | wagnerrp: | they even leave the 'g' off in a attempt at hickish charm that really just makes you want to violate posted speed limits |
| [06:46:42] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [06:46:59] | Beirdo: | of course, you are in horse country, so it does make sense :) |
| [06:47:15] | wagnerrp: | hey now, im like 50mi north of horse country |
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| [06:47:39] | Beirdo: | so... 20 min away :) |
| [06:47:40] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [06:48:11] | wagnerrp: | only if violating posted speed limits |
| [06:48:20] | Beirdo: | but of course |
| [06:48:53] | Beirdo: | justinh: he was in the 1000km of Spa-Francorchamps? |
| [06:49:12] | Beirdo: | your CEO driving in a Le Mans race... oy. |
| [06:49:47] | justinh: | yup |
| [06:50:11] | Beirdo: | well, at least he knows how to have some fun |
| [06:50:51] | ** wagnerrp prefers Le Mons ** | |
| [06:50:57] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [06:51:15] | justinh: | wonder if the onboard DVR survived.. we'll find a way to spin that out too |
| [06:51:32] | Beirdo: | Le Mans Cup is a pretty significant race series (second to F1 in importance, I'd say) |
| [06:51:40] | wagnerrp: | looks to me like the hard drive |
| [06:51:44] | ** wagnerrp puts on sun glasses ** | |
| [06:51:47] | wagnerrp: | ... crashed |
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| [06:52:10] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [06:52:14] | justinh: | wagnerrp: you should get a job in our marketing dept :-D |
| [06:52:39] | justinh: | then at least their email-outs might actually be enjoyable to read |
| [06:52:50] | Beirdo: | awww, I coulda watched him crash on SPEED, it seems |
| [06:52:54] | Beirdo: | they carried that race |
| [06:53:35] | justinh: | it'll end up on Youtube |
| [06:53:51] | Beirdo: | but telling MythTV to record all F1, all Le Mans, all IndyCar... I'll never have a chance to restart that poor backend |
| [06:54:04] | wagnerrp: | sounds like speed was the one thing.... |
| [06:54:07] | wagnerrp: | ... he lost |
| [06:54:32] | Beirdo: | don't make me shave that red hair off your head! |
| [06:55:22] | wagnerrp: | i think i may need to run like a... |
| [06:55:26] | wagnerrp: | ... ginger out of miami |
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| [07:02:56] | hume: | hi...after upgrading my mythbackend to ubuntu 10.10, I have a problem with mythweb: accessing the TV listings page (or recorded programs etc) gives the following error in the web browser: Error creating data/tv_icons: Please check permissions on the data directory. |
| [07:03:07] | justinh: | ahh those fatal words |
| [07:03:10] | justinh: | "after upgrading" |
| [07:03:16] | hume: | yes.... |
| [07:03:19] | hume: | :( |
| [07:03:42] | ** justinh has never upgraded a working mythtv system – at least not a dist upgrade ** | |
| [07:04:04] | hume: | re-install? |
| [07:04:19] | ** justinh decides that looking at the grid girls section on crash.net is much more interesting than looking for photos of the crash ** | |
| [07:04:40] | justinh: | hume: only really when things break – i.e. hardware breaks :-) |
| [07:05:09] | hume: | ok |
| [07:05:34] | justinh: | anyway, did you check the permissions on that directory? |
| [07:05:56] | hume: | well, now I did....and got this message....tried uninstalling and reinstalling mythweb, and tried setting the perms of the data dir and tv_icons to 777, no better |
| [07:05:59] | hume: | yes |
| [07:07:16] | justinh: | FWIW, chmodding to 777 isn't a very good idea |
| [07:07:48] | justinh: | just make sure the data dir is owned by www-data |
| [07:07:55] | hume: | no, I know, just testing, if it was too restrictive in some way, 777 ought to open those doors |
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| [07:08:07] | justinh: | oh, and you might like to check that the mythweb dir is where you think it is |
| [07:08:30] | justinh: | wouldn't put it past some packaging to put it in /usr/share & link to it |
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| [07:09:03] | hume: | there is a link from /var/www to /usr/share/mythtv/mythweb |
| [07:09:18] | hume: | (or the other way around) |
| [07:09:36] | hume: | the files are in /usr/share/mythtv/mythweb |
| [07:10:14] | hume: | and /usr/share/mythtv/mythweb/data/tv_icons link to /var/cache/mythweb/image_cache |
| [07:10:22] | justinh: | pffft. 5 pages of race images, but not one of them is of the event |
| [07:11:01] | hume: | thing is: before upgrading, I moved the /var/cache to another drive, to have sufficient space – I wonder if something went wrong in doing that |
| [07:11:02] | justinh: | and the permissions of /var/cache/mythweb/image_cache are ? |
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| [07:11:29] | justinh: | just seems like a daft thing to do to me – I mean what's wrong with having everything in one directory? |
| [07:11:41] | hume: | space |
| [07:12:08] | hume: | drwxrwxr-x 2 root www-data 4096 2010-09–05 07:52 image_cache |
| [07:12:09] | justinh: | no, I mean why is the packaging splitting things up like that? |
| [07:12:23] | exempla: | Hi |
| [07:12:23] | hume: | justinh, ok...yes, I wonder too |
| [07:12:40] | exempla: | Having trouble with the OSX build: |
| [07:13:04] | exempla: | d: file not found: libmythservicecontracts-0.24.0.dylib for architecture i386 |
| [07:13:04] | exempla: | collect2: ld returned 1 exit status |
| [07:13:05] | exempla: | make[2]: *** [libmyth-0.24.0.24.0.dylib] Error 1 |
| [07:13:05] | exempla: | make[1]: *** [sub-libmyth-make_default] Error 2 |
| [07:13:05] | exempla: | make: *** [libs] Error 2 |
| [07:13:05] | exempla: | [osx-pkg] Failed system call: " /usr/bin/make -j5 " with error code 2 |
| [07:13:06] | exempla: | Died at ./osx-packager.pl line 966. |
| [07:13:13] | justinh: | OI! |
| [07:13:19] | justinh: | don't paste more than 2 lines in here |
| [07:13:21] | exempla: | Sorry |
| [07:13:30] | justinh: | use a pastebin, like it says to in the joining message etc |
| [07:13:32] | exempla: | Thought 5 or so was ok |
| [07:13:47] | justinh: | nope |
| [07:13:54] | exempla: | ok, sorry |
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| [07:15:32] | hume: | justinh, do those perms of image_cache seem right to you? |
| [07:16:01] | justinh: | hume: the owner should really be www-data, not just the group |
| [07:16:23] | Beirdo: | Why did I always think that the song "Urgent" was Hall & Oates? |
| [07:16:25] | justinh: | but as it is, I'd have thought it *should* work |
| [07:17:35] | hume: | ok. i could not be something with the different drives? /usr on one and /var on another? Or that mythtv should have write access....? |
| [07:18:16] | justinh: | hume: well, with the dir as 777, try making a file within it. as you |
| [07:18:35] | justinh: | I've run into problems with permissions on linked directories before |
| [07:19:16] | justinh: | I really can't fathom why the package does that crazy stuff. I mean.. var... shudder |
| [07:20:25] | Beirdo: | OK, enough LP ripping for one night |
| [07:20:28] | hume: | ok...with the image_cache as 777, I can create a file as my regular user |
| [07:21:33] | hume: | but same error as before on webpage |
| [07:22:18] | hume: | could there be a point in recreating the link? |
| [07:22:36] | hume: | I'm not that good at understanding links, but this feels weird |
| [07:22:37] | justinh: | doubt it |
| [07:23:02] | justinh: | in your position I'd likely just scrap the link & put everything in one place |
| [07:23:15] | justinh: | it's not as if tv station logos take up that much room |
| [07:24:02] | justinh: | but then, if you do that it's gonna break every time you upgrade |
| [07:26:15] | hume: | what should the perms of the subdirs of the /usr/share/mythtv/mythweb be? |
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| [07:28:09] | justinh: | only the data dir needs to be writable, IIRC |
| [07:28:45] | hume: | justinh, now...:) I removed the link tv_icons -> /var/cache... and created a subdir instead, owned by ww-data, and now it works! |
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| [07:30:32] | Beirdo: | hey, wagnerrp_, yer flyin' low |
| [07:30:49] | justinh: | hume: fancy that |
| [07:31:15] | hume: | justinh, but as you say, it's a problem with upgrades |
| [07:31:25] | hume: | so how can the link produce problems? |
| [07:31:29] | justinh: | hume: so I take it you just moved /var to a different disk? |
| [07:31:41] | hume: | yes, I did before the upgrade |
| [07:31:52] | justinh: | and er.. *why* did you upgrade? |
| [07:31:54] | kormoc: | the www-user needs to be able to enter all the directories up the chain |
| [07:32:06] | kormoc: | it's likely one of them had o-x |
| [07:32:33] | hume: | justinh, to make it more comatible with the computers in the house, that is, to be able to use mythtv on more than one computer |
| [07:32:33] | kormoc: | and with that, snoozy time |
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| [07:32:51] | justinh: | hume: for that, I just build it myself. doesn't take long |
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| [07:33:04] | justinh: | I CBA to build my own packages, even |
| [07:33:18] | hume: | kormoc, can you say some more about that....which chain? |
| [07:33:38] | hume: | kormoc_afk, i mean, i have a link from /usr/share..... to /var/cache |
| [07:34:13] | hume: | justinh, could there be some restrictions on the web server not to follow links too far...? |
| [07:34:25] | Beirdo: | of course |
| [07:34:41] | justinh: | but the packaging should fix that, if it's making the stupid links |
| [07:34:52] | Beirdo: | you'd think |
| [07:34:59] | hume: | Beirdo, ? |
| [07:35:17] | Beirdo: | hume: ! |
| [07:35:25] | justinh: | I mean, it's all very well to put the images in a cache but heck, for the amount & size of the images it's just not worth it |
| [07:35:53] | hume: | justinh, I agree....but my personal influence on the package managers in ubuntu is rather limited....:) |
| [07:36:20] | justinh: | vote with your feet :-) |
| [07:36:40] | hume: | :) |
| [07:36:54] | hume: | you mean, walk to the kitchen and make another coffee? |
| [07:37:13] | justinh: | I mean, if you don't like the way something is packaged ... ;-) |
| [07:37:19] | hume: | no, seriously, I'll stick with ubuntu for a while, to make life easier for the whole family, that is, for me |
| [07:37:44] | justinh: | I don't even know what version of ubuntu my frontend is running |
| [07:37:49] | justinh: | or the backend, come to think |
| [07:37:53] | hume: | 7.10? :) |
| [07:38:07] | justinh: | bugger knows |
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| [07:38:26] | ** justinh waits for the lame 'about ubuntu' thing to start ** | |
| [07:38:30] | justinh: | and waits... |
| [07:38:43] | justinh: | oh. 10.04. there we go |
| [07:38:59] | hume: | but, i mean, this *should* be fixable |
| [07:38:59] | justinh: | that's likely as high as I'll be going |
| [07:39:17] | justinh: | well, maybe you screwed up a permission when you moved /var |
| [07:39:23] | hume: | if I now was to move my /var back to the original drive – how to do that best, without messing things up? |
| [07:39:27] | hume: | tar it? |
| [07:39:37] | justinh: | rsync? |
| [07:39:54] | justinh: | grsync makes it less easy to screw things up |
| [07:40:03] | hume: | ok...grsync.... |
| [07:40:06] | justinh: | notice I said less easy, not unpossible |
| [07:40:34] | hume: | let me try that and I'll be back |
| [07:40:38] | justinh: | oh and you'll likely have to run it under gksudo or whatever |
| [07:41:08] | justinh: | I keep meaning to make my main user master of the known universe to get around annoyances like that |
| [07:41:31] | justinh: | yes I know, bad practise etc.. but I think I kind of know what I'm doing :P |
| [07:42:18] | justinh: | now, I wish there was a way to build mythtv plugins without having installed the mythtv stuff first |
| [07:44:23] | justinh: | "MythTV is a wonderful piece of DIY PVR software, if you have the patients and the know how to install it.". BARF |
| [07:44:33] | justinh: | so it's only for doctors? Meh |
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| [07:46:57] | justinh: | exempla: which build script are you trying to use? |
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| [07:47:43] | justinh: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Myth_on_Mac_-_Build_status might be a good read |
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| [08:10:24] | hume: | justinh, still here? |
| [08:15:07] | justinh: | no. I left :P |
| [08:15:50] | hume: | too bad... |
| [08:16:12] | hume: | Now I grsynced the /var back to the same drive as the /usr, and guess what happened.....? |
| [08:16:14] | hume: | it works |
| [08:16:28] | hume: | mythweb works with the link |
| [08:16:48] | justinh: | wonder what the default mythweb apache config is doing, then |
| [08:16:52] | justinh: | have a peek & see :) |
| [08:17:08] | justinh: | /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/mythweb.conf I think |
| [08:17:27] | justinh: | unless they changed it again |
| [08:18:00] | justinh: | I've got <Directory "/var/www/mythweb/data"> Options -All +FollowSymLinks +IncludesNoExec |
| [08:21:32] | hume: | mine is more complicated, after the /var/www/mythweb there's a section on loggin in etc...rather long |
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| [08:35:23] | justinh: | bloody hell. Tektronix want *how* much for an HDMI test set? :-O |
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| [10:53:15] | pak0: | hello all people and good evening |
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| [10:56:55] | pak0: | i have a problem, just updated to myth 11.04 and my remote work very slowly now, but all the keys works |
| [10:57:21] | justinh: | aha! Just updated |
| [10:57:24] | justinh: | WHY?! |
| [10:57:24] | pak0: | maybe a new configuration to select the speed of buttons or the driver of the remote? |
| [10:57:55] | pak0: | is a way to speak, apologizes about my englihs, i have update it one week ago |
| [10:58:09] | pak0: | i have updated because i have some problems with the sound and want to test this laast version |
| [10:58:35] | pak0: | when i start my computer, sometimes have sound over spdif and others over hdmi, dont respect my checks alsa :P |
| [10:58:40] | justinh: | so you probably need to look aty your lircrc file |
| [10:58:42] | justinh: | or .lircrc |
| [10:58:52] | pak0: | but dont worry about that, i want to have my remote working fine now |
| [10:58:59] | pak0: | i have look that |
| [10:59:55] | pak0: | i have do it a complete backup of all files of lirc |
| [10:59:58] | pak0: | or i think so |
| [11:00:23] | pak0: | i have repeat 0 and delay 0 |
| [11:01:46] | pak0: | maybe the hardware.conf is the only i have changed now |
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| [11:03:11] | justinh: | the only lirc configuration file which can make any difference to the repeat rate is lircrc / .lircrc |
| [11:04:56] | justinh: | so when you say the remote works slowly do you mean that holding a key down is slow, or it's just slow to respond to ordinary presses? |
| [11:05:37] | pak0: | is slow to respond to ordinary presses |
| [11:05:58] | pak0: | and is slow with mythtv and xbmc |
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| [11:06:07] | pak0: | just changed the hardware.conf and stills slow |
| [11:06:16] | pak0: | maybe the hauppauge.conf is changed |
| [11:06:18] | pak0: | let me see |
| [11:06:31] | justinh: | eew |
| [11:06:50] | pak0: | if i use a keyboard the menu moves fast |
| [11:06:56] | pak0: | is only with the remote |
| [11:08:23] | pak0: | hauppauge/lircd.conf.hauppauge_novat500 |
| [11:09:04] | pak0: | where is that file? |
| [11:09:09] | pak0: | i dont remember |
| [11:10:49] | justinh: | yes, but nothing in the lircd.conf has anything to do with the response time |
| [11:11:02] | pak0: | i only find lircd.conf.hauppauge |
| [11:11:09] | justinh: | yes, but nothing in the lircd.conf has anything to do with the response time |
| [11:11:13] | justinh: | NOTHING |
| [11:11:42] | pak0: | then? |
| [11:12:06] | justinh: | lircd.conf files can only specify the format of the remote control codes |
| [11:13:54] | pak0: | run mythtv in verbose mode? |
| [11:14:33] | justinh: | that will make no difference |
| [11:14:50] | justinh: | run irw in a terminal & see how quick it responds to button presses :-) |
| [11:15:02] | pak0: | nice idea |
| [11:15:20] | justinh: | my guess is that you've messed up the lircrc file. The lircrc file is what determines the response speed |
| [11:15:42] | pak0: | hmmm |
| [11:15:55] | pak0: | i think the same |
| [11:16:03] | pak0: | on irw when i press a key respon fast |
| [11:16:15] | pak0: | but if i press alot of keys fat, dont register anything |
| [11:16:19] | pak0: | only the firt press |
| [11:16:30] | pak0: | i have to press each key slow for register the keys |
| [11:16:47] | pak0: | if i a press alot of keys to fast dont register the last keys |
| [11:16:56] | pak0: | i have explained nice? |
| [11:19:38] | pak0: | maybe because my hardware.conf point to one file hauppauge/lircd.conf.hauppauge_novat500 |
| [11:20:17] | pak0: | and i only have hauppauge/lircd.conf.hauppauge |
| [11:21:43] | pak0: | nah, changed and work on same speed |
| [11:24:47] | pak0: | i have read on forums people changed "gap" value on file for fast speed |
| [11:25:29] | justinh: | I have said this before: changes to lircd.conf will NOT make any difference to the response of the remote keys |
| [11:25:55] | pak0: | ok |
| [11:25:56] | justinh: | the only way they *could* make a difference is if the values are *wrong* in the first place |
| [11:25:57] | pak0: | then? |
| [11:26:03] | pak0: | ah |
| [11:26:18] | pak0: | aham |
| [11:26:50] | mycosys: | just one point pak0 – there is no mythtv 11.04 – there is ubuntu 11.04 |
| [11:27:12] | pak0: | http://www.mythbuntu.org/11.04/release |
| [11:27:21] | pak0: | i say mythbuntu, no mythtv sorry |
| [11:27:36] | mycosys: | mythbuntu is just ubuntu |
| [11:28:30] | mycosys: | i very much doubt you are having an issue with mythtv |
| [11:33:14] | justinh: | it's not. it's lirc :-) |
| [11:36:16] | mycosys: | i shouldnt get 5#!77y but – he updated ubuntu, knew he had a lirc issue, came into a mythtv channel, and then didnt like the help he got :S |
| [11:37:26] | pak0: | i like all time the help here |
| [11:37:37] | justinh: | I don't even know if there's a #lirc channel |
| [11:37:50] | pak0: | if you dont like my ask i can move to #lirc |
| [11:37:51] | justinh: | judging by the amount of people coming here for help with it, I doubt it |
| [11:38:12] | justinh: | I don't use anybody's ready-made lirc config files |
| [11:38:18] | pak0: | here is people alive, on lirc not all days xD |
| [11:38:25] | pak0: | and justinh is a classic here |
| [11:38:26] | justinh: | I recorded my remotes with irrecord |
| [11:38:31] | pak0: | and me with my problems with mythtv |
| [11:38:37] | justinh: | and all my lircrc files are my own :-) |
| [11:39:06] | pak0: | justinh i just reconfigured lirc with lirc generator and now my keys works very fast, but only righ and left keys |
| [11:39:32] | justinh: | so look at the config files & see how the definitions for those keys is different |
| [11:39:43] | justinh: | sheesh, this stuff isn't rocket science or brain surgery |
| [11:39:55] | pak0: | with irw i cant get nothing, i think is as devinput |
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| [11:40:19] | pak0: | REMOTE_LIRCD_CONF="hauppauge/lircd.conf.hauppauge_novat500" |
| [11:40:25] | pak0: | nop, i think is for irremote |
| [11:42:14] | pak0: | arg |
| [11:42:39] | justinh: | ahh, the age old input device crap where somebody has mistakenly (IMHO) got the IR receiver to look like a human input device. Lirc may not be ideal but it's better than messing around with things on an input device level |
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| [11:43:10] | justinh: | or at least, if it was ever done properly it'd just look like another keyboard |
| [11:43:21] | justinh: | and be transparent to the end user :) |
| [11:44:52] | justinh: | maybe try recording your own .conf file for lirc & see how you go with that |
| [11:45:34] | pak0: | maybe the best way |
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| [11:48:41] | pak0: | this is my last file "/usr/share/lirc/remotes/devinput/lircd.conf.devinput" |
| [11:48:42] | pak0: | xD |
| [11:49:03] | pak0: | i remember to have problems with nova-t500 and uses that config |
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| [11:52:45] | justinh: | and anyway, since when was not getting a response in the proper channel been an excuse to ask here? |
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| [11:53:05] | pak0: | nop |
| [11:53:14] | pak0: | is a excuse for mycosys xD |
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| [14:00:24] | seeker: | Wow, nvidia bought icera |
| [14:00:54] | seeker: | I came within about 24 hours of working for them |
| [14:00:57] | seeker: | Bah, wrong channel, ignore me |
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| [16:39:50] | hume: | hi all... I just succeeded in upgrading a backend 10 ubuntu 110.04, and now mythtv runs on all my machines also running 11.04. However, the main frontend, just upgraded to the same ubuntu 11.04, wants to upgrade the database, from 1032 to 1038. Should I do this? Why just one of the frontends want to do this? |
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| [16:40:30] | wagnerrp: | specifically, it wants to update the MythVideo schema to 1038 |
| [16:40:33] | wagnerrp: | not the primary |
| [16:40:45] | wagnerrp: | do you not use mythvideo on all your frontends? |
| [16:41:04] | hume: | right Video schema |
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| [16:41:55] | hume: | well. no, recordings are on all, but not video since they are not streamed |
| [16:42:06] | wagnerrp: | erm... videos are streamed |
| [16:42:14] | wagnerrp: | from the backend, just like recordings |
| [16:42:46] | hume: | erm... I have mine on the frontend. stored on the hard disk. |
| [16:43:03] | wagnerrp: | why arent they stored on the backend? |
| [16:43:16] | hume: | since the frontend wanted a local path to them.... |
| [16:43:25] | hume: | did I miss something here? |
| [16:43:34] | hume: | again |
| [16:43:55] | wagnerrp: | the local path options in the frontend should not be used |
| [16:44:01] | wagnerrp: | http://mythtv.org/wiki/MythVideo |
| [16:44:15] | wagnerrp: | you define the paths using the Videos storage group on the backend |
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| [16:44:30] | wagnerrp: | and the backend will then stream all your video content to any frontend |
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| [16:44:34] | hume: | did this change with some earlier version? |
| [16:44:38] | wagnerrp: | network file systems and local mounts not required |
| [16:44:44] | wagnerrp: | it was added way back in 0.22 |
| [16:44:49] | wagnerrp: | like a year and a half ago |
| [16:44:57] | hume: | ah...my setup dates from 0.21 |
| [16:45:09] | wagnerrp: | and has been in the develomental versions of mythtv for like two and a half years |
| [16:45:26] | hume: | ok, never use dev versions..:) |
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| [16:45:52] | hume: | anyway: this means that I should upgrade the database, and then read about video and move them to an appropriate place |
| [16:46:20] | wagnerrp: | all your mythvideo content is from 0.21? |
| [16:46:32] | wagnerrp: | is it all movies? or is there some tv in there as well? |
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| [16:46:52] | hume: | yes, i mean, the content are all movies, ripped films and home made film |
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| [16:47:00] | hume: | no tv there |
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| [16:48:10] | lapion: | hmm is there anyway to get pip back in mythtv 0.24.0-fixes 20110416 |
| [16:48:18] | wagnerrp: | then let the database upgrade, move your content onto the backend, remove the local folder definition, add the new folder to the Videos group, and rescan |
| [16:48:24] | wagnerrp: | all content in mythvideo is hashed |
| [16:48:37] | lapion: | is anyone else having problems with analog cards in said mythtv version ? |
| [16:48:37] | wagnerrp: | so mythvideo should be able to detect the new location of the content, and update the database accordingly |
| [16:48:57] | wagnerrp: | '20110416' is not a valid version of mythtv |
| [16:49:08] | wagnerrp: | and no, there is no PIP support in 0.24 |
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| [16:49:27] | lapion: | 0.24.0 with fixes to 20110416.. |
| [16:49:43] | lapion: | hmm too bad I really liked that |
| [16:49:48] | wagnerrp: | yes, '20110416' is not a valid version of mythtv |
| [16:50:02] | lapion: | but now with the v4l in 0.24.0 .. |
| [16:50:14] | wagnerrp: | because a date cannot specific a single commit |
| [16:50:24] | hume: | wagnerrp, thx..:) |
| [16:50:41] | wagnerrp: | if you upgraded your kernel to 2.6.38, the removal of V4L1 caused some issues with mythtv's analog support |
| [16:51:47] | sphery: | and the patch that's used by a certain popular distro is unreviewed, has been said to have some issues, and is not the patch that will go into MythTV |
| [16:51:50] | lapion: | hmm I think I know how to bypass the problem.. LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/libv4l/v4l1compat.so |
| [16:52:25] | wagnerrp: | no, because configure has determined V4L1 is not available, and outright disabled it in mythtv |
| [16:52:45] | wagnerrp: | using a library preload will have no effect |
| [16:52:54] | wagnerrp: | and in most cases is a hacky solution that will do nothing but cause problems |
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| [17:02:17] | lapion: | wagnerrp, thank goodness I did the upgrade on a usb-stick.. now back to the original partition.. |
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| [17:12:52] | Azelphur: | what's a good cheap MythTV frontend type device, available in the UK? I only require SD although HD would be nice if the price difference isn't too high |
| [17:16:15] | lapion: | back to the 'ol |
| [17:18:12] | wagnerrp: | you only require SD output? or playback of SD content? |
| [17:20:08] | wagnerrp: | additionally, do you require SD analog output? (composite, svideo) |
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| [17:23:19] | wagnerrp: | Azelphur: ^^^ |
| [17:23:26] | Azelphur: | wagnerrp, playback and output (composite or svideo) |
| [17:24:04] | Azelphur: | just something so my grandma can get TV in her room, and she loves her old clunky SDTV :p |
| [17:25:04] | wagnerrp: | such outputs are hard to come by these days |
| [17:25:19] | Azelphur: | indeed :( |
| [17:26:17] | Shadow__X: | i know there are still some geforce 8400gs cards that do svideo out |
| [17:26:39] | Shadow__X: | some have the svideo port stil available |
| [17:26:48] | wagnerrp: | the 9-series was the last to support it |
| [17:26:55] | Azelphur: | wagnerrp, yea, was kinda hoping to avoid building a PC for it. |
| [17:27:03] | wagnerrp: | youre looking at 7-series if you want it onboard |
| [17:27:11] | Azelphur: | I do however have an 8800GT laying about that has S-Video :D |
| [17:27:24] | Azelphur: | so if I was going to build I'd buy myself a replacement for my 8800 *shrug* |
| [17:27:46] | wagnerrp: | she will be playing content from your mythtv system? |
| [17:27:54] | Azelphur: | wagnerrp, yes. |
| [17:28:25] | Azelphur: | so it'll need to be happy streaming live SDTV from the backend |
| [17:28:35] | wagnerrp: | content that receives HDTV, and possibly h264 content? |
| [17:28:41] | wagnerrp: | s/content/a backend/ |
| [17:29:04] | Azelphur: | nah not really, most of my library is SD and most of the TV channels here are SD too, and the TV she'll be watching it on is SD only |
| [17:29:13] | Azelphur: | so SD would only really be for future compatibility |
| [17:29:20] | Azelphur: | so HD would* |
| [17:29:57] | wagnerrp: | for SD mpeg2 content, you could probably get by with an Atom system |
| [17:30:11] | Azelphur: | fun |
| [17:30:26] | wagnerrp: | the intel video units had TV outs, while ive never seen an ION that did |
| [17:30:36] | Azelphur: | wagnerrp, if I got an atom system without a graphics card, and stuck my 8800GT in there, it'd to HD right? |
| [17:30:46] | Azelphur: | then I have an excuse to upgrade my 8800GT :-) |
| [17:31:04] | wagnerrp: | no, because you cannot stuff an 8800gt into an Atom system |
| [17:31:07] | Azelphur: | (can you get atom boards with PCI-E slots?) |
| [17:31:17] | Azelphur: | aww. |
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| [17:31:32] | Azelphur: | how much do the atom systems go for? |
| [17:32:20] | wagnerrp: | honestly, id pick up a mitx amd board and processor, some memory, an old fanless 8/9-series, and a case with a riser card |
| [17:33:43] | Azelphur: | hmm, what would a riser card be for? |
| [17:34:15] | wagnerrp: | so the video card is parallel to the board, allowing a thin case |
| [17:34:56] | Azelphur: | ah I see |
| [17:35:11] | Azelphur: | and a fanless amd cpu, I'm getting it now :p |
| [17:35:25] | wagnerrp: | fanless CPU? madness |
| [17:35:33] | Azelphur: | what was the fanless in reference to then? |
| [17:35:42] | wagnerrp: | graphics card |
| [17:35:50] | Azelphur: | oh |
| [17:36:04] | Azelphur: | fanless nvidia 8/9 series? I would have thought that be more madness than the fanless cpu :p |
| [17:36:13] | Azelphur: | I've seen fanless cpu's, never a fanless graphics card lol |
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| [17:42:04] | kormoc: | pretty much every gpu generation for the past decade had a fanless option |
| [17:43:14] | Azelphur: | fun, shows how weak my hardware knowledge is :p |
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| [17:44:11] | wagnerrp: | and every gpu generation prior to that didnt need a fan |
| [17:44:53] | Azelphur: | I see :) |
| [17:45:14] | Azelphur: | that said, instead of buying another GPU that's fanless, could I not just use the 8800GT I have? |
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| [17:45:29] | Azelphur: | I'm trying to keep the costs down, and it's spare :p |
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| [17:52:57] | wagnerrp: | depends... do you care about noise? is this machine going to stay on all the time? |
| [17:53:47] | wagnerrp: | if youre leaving it on all the time, a low power video card will recover its cost in electricity in under a year |
| [17:54:04] | wagnerrp: | if its fanless, it will be quieter, and considerably more reliable |
| [17:54:19] | wagnerrp: | the fan in my 9800gt already crapped out a couple months ago |
| [17:54:28] | wagnerrp: | how much life do you think you still have in your older 8800? |
| [17:54:31] | Azelphur: | yea, it's probably gonna be always on, my grandma isn't gonna be turning it off xD |
| [17:54:45] | Azelphur: | that's another good point, it's 3 years old already and taken a beating |
| [17:55:12] | wagnerrp: | the card itself will be fine for a decade |
| [17:55:16] | wagnerrp: | but the fan has a limited life |
| [17:55:32] | Azelphur: | yea, I'm actually starting to notice the fan is sounding a bit dodgy |
| [17:56:06] | Shadow__X: | the fan on my 8400 still works but makes too much noise at this point. Luckily i am somewhat able to have it run without a fan in a well ventilated case while still remaining withing head thresholds |
| [17:56:17] | wagnerrp: | i ended up strapping one of these to mine... http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835186016R |
| [17:56:37] | Shadow__X: | that makes it a dual slot right? |
| [17:56:42] | Azelphur: | wagnerrp, fun |
| [17:56:56] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [17:57:38] | Azelphur: | wagnerrp, so how much roughly would your recommended build cost (the mitx board amd cpu and a fanless 8/9 series) |
| [17:57:52] | wagnerrp: | although to be honest, graphics cards produce enough heat these days that they should all be dual slot anyway |
| [17:58:09] | wagnerrp: | even if they dont physically take up two, you shouldnt have something in the slot next to it |
| [17:58:35] | Shadow__X: | are you referring to higher end cards or low end cards down to 9400 |
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| [18:01:26] | wagnerrp: | honestly, i think in general |
| [18:01:52] | wagnerrp: | even a lower end card is going to draw tens of watts |
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| [18:03:12] | Shadow__X: | i could defenitely see that for some higher midrange to highend graphics cards as if you have something starving the fans for air they will run really hot |
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| [18:04:17] | NickHu: | Hey all |
| [18:04:23] | NickHu: | I was wondering what a good card is to buy for linux |
| [18:04:25] | Shadow__X: | but i could see the reasoning of having a dual slot as with a dual slot cooler they tend to cool more of the entire card then just the gpu |
| [18:04:51] | NickHu: | I want to be able to watch digital TV (freeview is fine), and also have options for component input for something like an xbox or something |
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| [18:09:27] | NickHu: | Perhaps it's best to get a capture card and an external freeview box? |
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| [18:11:05] | Shadow__X: | NickHu: to record from a component input something like a hauppauge hd pvr can be used |
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| [18:13:19] | NickHu: | Shadow__X: I thought HD PVR only had a composite input? And also, is there a digital TV tuner built into it? |
| [18:13:28] | NickHu: | I'd much prefer something that's PCI to be honest |
| [18:14:14] | Shadow__X: | i was just merely stating that so you can have the xbox as an input |
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| [18:26:26] | NickHu: | If I install Mythtv, can I watch TV from my card without saving it to hard drive? |
| [18:26:39] | skd5aner: | NickHu: not via MythTV |
| [18:26:43] | NickHu: | i.e. stream directly from terrestrial broadcast to my computer |
| [18:26:44] | NickHu: | Hmm |
| [18:26:51] | NickHu: | What am I thinking of then? |
| [18:26:52] | skd5aner: | NickHu: but you can make it expire really quickly |
| [18:27:00] | NickHu: | I see |
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| [18:27:42] | skd5aner: | NickHu: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/LiveTV#AutoExpire |
| [18:28:19] | skd5aner: | NickHu: you can research cards here... |
| [18:28:22] | skd5aner: | !url tuners |
| [18:28:22] | MythLogBot: | tuners: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hardwar . . . _Information |
| [18:28:24] | NickHu: | So, would you say 100GB is enough for a "buffer" |
| [18:28:47] | skd5aner: | that's WAY more than enough |
| [18:28:48] | sphery: | generally for HDTV, you should assume around 6–8GB/hr |
| [18:28:56] | NickHu: | Okay :) |
| [18:28:57] | sphery: | and for SDTV around 2–4GB/hr |
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| [18:29:46] | NickHu: | Do you guys think it's viable to have both the myth server on my computer and the client? |
| [18:29:52] | NickHu: | I only really want to have one machine running |
| [18:29:56] | NickHu: | My specs are very high |
| [18:30:11] | NickHu: | i7 3.4 Ghrtz Hyperthreaded quad-core |
| [18:30:18] | NickHu: | 16GB of ram |
| [18:30:23] | skd5aner: | lol, uh... yea |
| [18:30:28] | NickHu: | :D |
| [18:30:32] | sphery: | would make a good combined frontend/backend system |
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| [18:30:50] | sphery: | (especially with an nvidia graphics card that's VDPAU capable) |
| [18:30:54] | skd5aner: | although, what video card/GPU are you using? |
| [18:31:01] | NickHu: | Ahh, it's just I never hear about combined systems :') It's all guys with a second PC in their basement |
| [18:31:06] | NickHu: | Nvidia GTS 250 |
| [18:31:11] | NickHu: | vdpau supported AFAIK |
| [18:31:38] | sphery: | yeah, that sounds like it should be new enough for vdpau |
| [18:31:42] | skd5aner: | I think it is, not familiar with the 250 |
| [18:31:46] | sphery: | same here |
| [18:31:48] | skd5aner: | a lot of people run combined |
| [18:32:06] | sphery: | I'd guess that combined is actually more common |
| [18:32:15] | skd5aner: | my master backend is standalone, but my main frontend is also a slave backend |
| [18:32:27] | sphery: | it's just that separate is a more-complex config, so those are the guys who are usually asking questions/getting help/... |
| [18:32:48] | NickHu: | Also, can I run myth TV in a way such that I have a capture card with component, and possible HDMI input, and an external freeview box? |
| [18:32:53] | NickHu: | Or does that kind of defeat the point? |
| [18:33:05] | skd5aner: | HDMI input – no (not currently) |
| [18:33:20] | skd5aner: | Component, there are 2... you'd probably be most interested in the HDPVR |
| [18:33:33] | NickHu: | I just want to buy a card that I'll be able to watch TV with, and also play games consoles with |
| [18:33:36] | Shadow__X: | skd5aner: whats the other one |
| [18:33:47] | NickHu: | I'd prefer PCI/PCIe to be honest |
| [18:33:57] | NickHu: | But I guess that's not a big deal |
| [18:33:58] | wagnerrp: | NickHu: im actually going to play devils advocate on this one, mythtv is likely not going to do well on that machine |
| [18:33:59] | sphery: | mine is separate, though not for good reason (was mainly meant to allow me to abuse the frontend without impacting recordings--but now that I've upgrade from my Athlon XP 2400+ master backend, I likely couldn't impact recordings much at all) |
| [18:34:05] | wagnerrp: | that sounds like something you use for gaming and general desktop purposes |
| [18:34:19] | NickHu: | wagnerrp: Nope, I just overspent loads :') |
| [18:34:32] | skd5aner: | Shadow__X: I don't recall, but there is a component in capture card |
| [18:34:36] | NickHu: | My CPU usage never goes about 7%, and my ram is at 15% max xD |
| [18:34:42] | wagnerrp: | mythtv is really designed to be run either on a machine it has full control over, or an always-on server |
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| [18:34:55] | sphery: | that is definitely true |
| [18:35:01] | sphery: | mythtv likes to have its own system |
| [18:35:04] | wagnerrp: | if youre using it for desktop purposes, chances are youre going to eventually be screwing around with something that will harm stability |
| [18:35:11] | NickHu: | Hmm |
| [18:35:22] | sphery: | mythtv makes for a great appliance |
| [18:35:28] | skd5aner: | Shadow__X: or I thought there was at one time |
| [18:35:52] | Shadow__X: | skd5aner: i know of the hauppauge one that afaik is not supported under linux yet but other than that i am not sure |
| [18:35:57] | NickHu: | skd5aner: Is there something like AVerTV CaptureHD H727 but with linux support? |
| [18:36:01] | sphery: | not really a software package for use on a computer that does other stuff |
| [18:36:42] | skd5aner: | Shadow__X: yea, not referring the happauge colossus |
| [18:37:12] | wagnerrp: | NickHu: mythtv supports the Hauppauge HDPVR |
| [18:37:21] | wagnerrp: | its an external component capture device |
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| [18:37:45] | skd5aner: | Shadow__X: could be remember something wrong – oh well |
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| [18:38:15] | Shadow__X: | oh ok thanks |
| [18:38:25] | wagnerrp: | skd5aner: other than the HDPVR, what other component capture do we support? |
| [18:38:29] | NickHu: | wagnerrp: Could I not just put myth in a chroot? |
| [18:38:31] | NickHu: | wagnerrp: But I assume it has no actual interface for freeview for example |
| [18:38:34] | NickHu: | Which is why mythtv supports it |
| [18:38:44] | NickHu: | The HD PVR is a little expensive too |
| [18:38:48] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: read above – I think I was confusing something else I had seen a few years back |
| [18:39:02] | skd5aner: | NickHu: Cheaper than an i7 ;) |
| [18:39:13] | NickHu: | skd5aner: I spent all my money on an i7 :P |
| [18:39:17] | NickHu: | £200 |
| [18:39:33] | wagnerrp: | skd5aner: ive seen of a couple other devices that do component capture with V4L support, but none that do HD |
| [18:39:47] | NickHu: | wagnerrp: I'm not too fussed about HD |
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| [18:39:53] | NickHu: | My monitor is relatively small |
| [18:40:06] | NickHu: | And there's hardly any DVB-T2 coverage at the moment anyway |
| [18:40:55] | NickHu: | Bottom line, I want to have a digital terrestrial in, and a component in |
| [18:41:07] | NickHu: | I don't know if it's better to have two cards for the job though |
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| [18:43:00] | skd5aner: | I have 9 cards ;) |
| [18:43:21] | ** AndyCap has two. ** | |
| [18:43:23] | iamlindoro: | Visa, Master, Discover, Amex... |
| [18:43:33] | skd5aner: | making up 12 tuners |
| [18:43:45] | AndyCap: | and well, two pvr-500 and two dvb-s cards and a framegrabber and another dvb-c card. hmm |
| [18:43:54] | skd5aner: | "cards" |
| [18:43:55] | NickHu: | skd5aner: I'm just worried about power though, I'm running a quite powerful system on 650w xD |
| [18:44:23] | skd5aner: | that said, I'm only using 5 "cards" currently |
| [18:44:37] | skd5aner: | for 7 total tuners |
| [18:45:37] | NickHu: | If I were to get a capture card, could I just stream directly from say, an Xbox or Wii to my computer |
| [18:45:43] | NickHu: | And view it in real time |
| [18:46:14] | skd5aner: | Well – with the external tuners/capture devices like the HD-homerun and the HDPVR, you use wall warts, so you don't have to worry about that |
| [18:46:27] | skd5aner: | also, i think at best internal pci cards used for capture are pretty low on the wattage requirements |
| [18:47:23] | wagnerrp: | skd5aner: actually, USB tuners tend to have lower power requirements |
| [18:47:41] | wagnerrp: | internal tuners will run 5+ watts each |
| [18:47:49] | wagnerrp: | usb tuners cannot use more than 2.5 |
| [18:47:51] | NickHu: | wagnerrp: But generally, PCI > USB? |
| [18:47:52] | skd5aner: | You can use upnp to find recordings on devices that support that |
| [18:48:06] | wagnerrp: | (unless they have external power supplies) |
| [18:48:19] | NickHu: | skd5aner: What do you mean by that? |
| [18:48:30] | wagnerrp: | NickHu: at least IMHO, i would prefer and trust internal (PCI/PCIe) tuners over USB |
| [18:48:43] | wagnerrp: | ive always had a bit of distaste for USB in general |
| [18:49:00] | NickHu: | Me too |
| [18:49:01] | skd5aner: | MythTV has a uPNP server which can present recordings to uPNP capable devices (for example: playstation, xbox, windows) |
| [18:49:25] | NickHu: | skd5aner: Surely there's no need to go through myth at all though |
| [18:49:35] | NickHu: | You could just do it from mplayer no? |
| [18:49:40] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: yea – that is true, jsut saying 5–10 watts in my book is "low power" |
| [18:49:48] | wagnerrp: | NickHu: do what from mplayer? |
| [18:50:03] | NickHu: | Stream video and audio from a component capture card |
| [18:50:08] | ** AndyCap senses a reference to 2k lines of perl ** | |
| [18:50:10] | wagnerrp: | mplayer does not run on the xbox or wii |
| [18:50:10] | NickHu: | For example, BlackMagic Intensity Pro |
| [18:50:21] | skd5aner: | NickHu: MythTV is ultimately designed to be used with the default player – mythfrontend |
| [18:50:28] | skd5aner: | everything else is hit or miss |
| [18:50:30] | NickHu: | No, you misunderstand me :P |
| [18:50:41] | wagnerrp: | oh, you want to do the opposite |
| [18:50:45] | NickHu: | Plug Xbox into capture card -> Display on local computer monitor |
| [18:50:59] | wagnerrp: | if you want to do that, get a framegrabber, and use tvtime |
| [18:51:24] | wagnerrp: | youre still going to have a 1–2 frame display latency, but it should be playable |
| [18:51:33] | wagnerrp: | i dont know if you can do that with HD content |
| [18:51:56] | wagnerrp: | i do know that while the intensity pro has linux drivers, it exposes an interface that is only supported by their own capture/editing program |
| [18:51:56] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: no, I don't think that's what he's asking either |
| [18:51:58] | NickHu: | Hmm, that's definitely the "quickest" "least laggy" way of doing it? |
| [18:52:34] | wagnerrp: | the quickest, least laggy way of doing it is to just go out and buy a TV |
| [18:52:36] | skd5aner: | NickHu: you don't want to play/interact with a wii/xbox/playstation via your computer, right? |
| [18:52:56] | NickHu: | skd5aner: I just want to use my monitor as a display :P |
| [18:52:58] | skd5aner: | NickHu: You're asking, how can you access conent that mythtv records on a wii/playstation/xbox, correct? |
| [18:53:06] | NickHu: | Nope |
| [18:53:11] | skd5aner: | oh, well... nevermind then |
| [18:53:14] | wagnerrp: | NickHu: get a monitor with video inputs such that you can plug your wii/playstation/xbox in directly |
| [18:53:14] | NickHu: | Hehehe :P |
| [18:53:26] | NickHu: | wagnerrp: I'd like the *option* of recording |
| [18:53:29] | skd5aner: | yea, don't try and daisy chain it |
| [18:53:42] | wagnerrp: | if you want to record it, thats fine, but do it independently of live use |
| [18:53:48] | NickHu: | I see |
| [18:53:53] | sphery: | AndyCap: heh, I think it's definitely time to enjoy a re-read of the thread that's become affectionately known to me as "1731" – http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/187428#187428 |
| [18:54:33] | wagnerrp: | capt'm at his finest |
| [18:54:35] | skd5aner: | I guess this is the point – if you want to play a console, then do that as you would always do it – directly to a TV, if you want to use MythTV to record television programs, then that should be unrelated to however you plan on using your console |
| [18:54:40] | skd5aner: | never the two shall meet ;) |
| [18:54:41] | ** sphery wonders if gossamer would consider assigning it an honorary thread URI of http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/1731 ** | |
| [18:55:01] | sphery: | no one needs to read about VIA EPIA 800 sound, anyway |
| [18:55:23] | NickHu: | skd5aner: I see :) |
| [18:55:42] | NickHu: | Is there a reliable way of component -> dvi? |
| [18:55:56] | skd5aner: | NickHu: that said, on a upnp capable console, you can see *some* content that mythtv has and watch it via the console |
| [18:56:07] | skd5aner: | uPNP occurs over the network |
| [18:56:28] | NickHu: | skd5aner: But it's not really viable when it needs to be in sync of about half a second amirite? |
| [18:56:29] | wagnerrp: | NickHu: i would suggest something like this... http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824001381 |
| [18:56:36] | skd5aner: | NickHu: how so? component out to DVI IN? |
| [18:56:45] | NickHu: | Yes |
| [18:56:54] | NickHu: | I already have a HDMI -> DVI cable for my Xbox |
| [18:56:54] | skd5aner: | NickHu: you're talking backwards from me |
| [18:57:05] | NickHu: | And I can connect it direcly to my monitor |
| [18:57:10] | NickHu: | But wii haz no HDMI out :/ |
| [18:57:19] | skd5aner: | I'm saying you can *watch* mythtv recordings on a playstation for example |
| [18:57:37] | NickHu: | Ahhh |
| [18:57:38] | skd5aner: | delay really desn't come into play because it's a recording |
| [18:58:08] | NickHu: | skd5aner: Are you based in the US then? |
| [18:58:09] | skd5aner: | If you were to try to hook up your playstation to mythtv, and watch it "live" – you'd always be a few seconds behind at best |
| [18:58:12] | skd5aner: | yes |
| [18:58:46] | wagnerrp: | or, you can use something like this... http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16882339195 |
| [18:58:52] | skd5aner: | NickHu: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/UPnP |
| [18:59:02] | NickHu: | Are you guys made of money? :') |
| [18:59:07] | skd5aner: | Negative |
| [18:59:29] | NickHu: | $75 for a input/output converter is too much :3 |
| [18:59:52] | NickHu: | I guess I'll just get a new monitor eventually xD |
| [19:00:00] | NickHu: | Or maybe just a TV with DVI input |
| [19:00:00] | skd5aner: | Been running MythTV since 2004, so many things are piecemealed together over time |
| [19:00:19] | skd5aner: | and, any MythTV user will tell you, MythTV is not a cheap proposition – it's more like a hobby |
| [19:00:57] | lapion: | hello I keep on getting error 6 segfaults between mythtv 0.23 and libQtCore 4.7 anyone know how to solve this ? |
| [19:01:06] | NickHu: | Well, can you suggest something simple and cheap, preferablly PCI that can receive DVB-T, or perhaps even DVB-T2? |
| [19:01:12] | wagnerrp: | 'error 6 segfaults'? |
| [19:01:17] | wagnerrp: | !url tuners |
| [19:01:17] | MythLogBot: | tuners: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hardwar . . . _Information |
| [19:01:24] | wagnerrp: | NickHu: ^^^ |
| [19:01:34] | skd5aner: | NickHu: yes, there are cheaper solutions – check out that link that I sent you (and the one that wagnerrp just reposte) |
| [19:01:42] | NickHu: | Although I doubt I could get great connectivity with an indoor antenna... xD |
| [19:01:47] | wagnerrp: | i dont believe there are DVB-T2 tuners on the market |
| [19:01:51] | wagnerrp: | if there are, they are rare |
| [19:01:53] | NickHu: | Do you think it would be enough for basic DVB-T? |
| [19:02:01] | lapion: | in example: |
| [19:02:05] | lapion: | mythbackend[2715]: segfault at b007cfec ip 01fe808a sp b007cff0 error 6 in libQtCore.so.4.7.0[1eae000+290000] |
| [19:02:21] | skd5aner: | Depends totally on location |
| [19:02:28] | wagnerrp: | lapion: do you have a core dump? |
| [19:03:10] | lapion: | do you have a link on how to get a core dump ? |
| [19:03:49] | skd5aner: | lapion: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Debugging |
| [19:03:59] | justinh: | NickHu: there are no working linux drivers for dvb-t2 yet |
| [19:04:30] | NickHu: | It's a shame the satellite dish is on the other side of the house -.- |
| [19:04:52] | sphery: | lapion: and are you actually running current 0.24-fixes (versus a release tarball that's some 250+ fixes behind current) |
| [19:04:53] | justinh: | yeah, such a shame. I mean, it's not as if anybody ever made a length of cable greater than a couple of metres |
| [19:05:01] | NickHu: | YEAH, THAT! :D |
| [19:05:30] | justinh: | anyway, £80+ for a dvb-t2 tuner capable of pulling in.. oooo.. FOUR HD channels |
| [19:05:30] | NickHu: | Do you think I'd be able to get reasonable signal from an indoor antenna for DVB-T? |
| [19:05:34] | justinh: | nope |
| [19:05:42] | justinh: | indoor antennas don't even make very good door stops |
| [19:05:50] | skd5aner: | not true... |
| [19:05:54] | NickHu: | :( |
| [19:05:54] | justinh: | unless you can see the mast from your house |
| [19:05:57] | skd5aner: | depends on where you live |
| [19:06:02] | NickHu: | I guess I'll need a 2 metre cable then... :D |
| [19:06:03] | skd5aner: | and if it's amplified |
| [19:06:10] | skd5aner: | and how your house was built |
| [19:06:22] | justinh: | and the surrounding environment |
| [19:06:24] | justinh: | etc etc etc |
| [19:06:25] | skd5aner: | and how big the antenna is |
| [19:06:31] | NickHu: | Well... I barely get mobile (cellular) signal here |
| [19:06:34] | justinh: | I will never recommend anybody use an indoor antenna |
| [19:06:38] | skd5aner: | then, probably not gonna work |
| [19:06:55] | NickHu: | So you guys think it's better to run a cable to my dish? |
| [19:07:02] | justinh: | skd5aner: over here, indoor ones are absolutely rubbish |
| [19:07:11] | NickHu: | Also, is there a way I can make the cable from the dish two-pronged? |
| [19:07:14] | skd5aner: | justinh: well, I'm considering building an indoor antenna – in my attic, but I guess it depends on what you classify as an indoor antenna ;D |
| [19:07:29] | justinh: | my dad can see the mast from his house, and he can't get a good signal on any commercial indoor aerial |
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| [19:07:34] | justinh: | skd5aner: heh :) |
| [19:07:43] | skd5aner: | NickHu: how would you plan from capturing from the dish? |
| [19:07:43] | sphery: | wagnerrp: did you see how Apple is switching all its laptops to use ARM? |
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| [19:08:06] | sphery: | (this being a nasty--and surely untrue--rumor going around, now) |
| [19:08:09] | skd5aner: | sphery: huh? |
| [19:08:16] | justinh: | when I say 'indoor antenna' I generally mean bunch of crap bit of bent tin & plastic shipped as an 'indoor antenna', not an actual, *real* antenna used inside the confines of your house |
| [19:08:29] | skd5aner: | yea, rabbit ears and circles |
| [19:08:40] | justinh: | and sticks. most definitely sticks |
| [19:08:40] | sphery: | skd5aner: if pc world says it, itmust be true: http://www.pcworld.com/article/227301/apple_m . . . laptops.html |
| [19:08:58] | justinh: | apple may retire steve jobs |
| [19:09:07] | skd5aner: | why not, they've only made that switch about every 5 years – they're right on time! |
| [19:09:08] | sphery: | that based on http://semiaccurate.com/2011/05/05/apple-dump . . . aptop-lines/ |
| [19:09:16] | justinh: | apple may one day make a product I can afford without thinking twice about buying it's so cheap |
| [19:09:26] | wagnerrp: | sphery: no, but i heard a completely unfounded rumor floating that apple may switch to ARM just in time to make hideously underpowered computers |
| [19:09:27] | sphery: | where, IMHO, on this story, "semiaccurate" is /way/ too generous |
| [19:09:53] | skd5aner: | I still use my G4 powerbook occasionally with the PPC |
| [19:09:53] | justinh: | maybe apple will run that speed boosting software on their hardware too |
| [19:10:14] | justinh: | PC too slow? install this program, then you can watch h.264 HDTV on your 1GHz celeron. Right? |
| [19:10:20] | sphery: | wagnerrp: but in 2013, Apple should be able to get the same performance from an ARM as it can get from a mobile Intel chip... |
| [19:10:34] | AndyCap: | They're going with motorola 68090? :P |
| [19:11:23] | NickHu: | skd5aner: Via a DVB-S card? |
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| [19:11:53] | NickHu: | Anyway, that doesn't seem viable either now |
| [19:11:55] | skd5aner: | NickHu: I don't know how well those work – I would guess you'd only be able to get the freeview stuff? |
| [19:12:01] | sphery: | justinh: yeah, "install this program" (on your 6-core i7 system to transcode video on the fly) "then you can watch h.264 HDTV on your 1GHz celeron" |
| [19:12:13] | NickHu: | There's pretty much no way to run a cable from the other side of the house to here without making a massive trip-hazard |
| [19:12:19] | justinh: | NickHu: what did you mean '2 prong' ? |
| [19:12:27] | justinh: | no way, my ass |
| [19:12:30] | NickHu: | skd5aner: There's freesat here |
| [19:12:31] | justinh: | there's always a way |
| [19:12:38] | NickHu: | justinh: No viable way* ;) |
| [19:12:44] | NickHu: | I mean, double up the output from the dish |
| [19:12:45] | justinh: | skirting board? |
| [19:12:50] | justinh: | dado rail? |
| [19:13:01] | NickHu: | Well my parents don't want to xD |
| [19:13:07] | NickHu: | Maybe I could do it wirelessly :3 |
| [19:13:08] | justinh: | so, sack them. |
| [19:13:34] | justinh: | or run it on the outside. now there's a neat idea |
| [19:14:03] | NickHu: | Would "look messy" |
| [19:14:06] | justinh: | no need to drill if you use a section of flat coax to pass through a closed window. |
| [19:14:15] | justinh: | but there's already a dish up there? |
| [19:14:46] | justinh: | anybody who installs a dish & then resists connecting it to anything because it'll 'look messy' is somewhat misguided :P |
| [19:14:56] | NickHu: | Well let's put it this way |
| [19:15:00] | justinh: | or if you arrive at a place where there's a dish not connected to anything.. |
| [19:15:03] | NickHu: | The dish is on the "east" side of the house |
| [19:15:06] | justinh: | that's also misguided |
| [19:15:20] | NickHu: | All the TVs and Sky boxes etc. are on the "east" side of the house |
| [19:15:21] | justinh: | then again it took me ages to take our dish down |
| [19:15:33] | NickHu: | Where I need a cable to run is on the "west" side of the house |
| [19:15:35] | NickHu: | And my house is big |
| [19:15:41] | justinh: | there's bugger all worth watching on TV, let alone in HD |
| [19:15:56] | justinh: | you can live without :) |
| [19:15:57] | NickHu: | Hahaha, that's so true :') |
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| [19:16:03] | NickHu: | Are you UK based? |
| [19:16:06] | justinh: | yup |
| [19:16:18] | justinh: | I watch maybe a couple of hours a week all told |
| [19:16:29] | justinh: | my wife is the TV addict in this house |
| [19:16:38] | NickHu: | Sack her. |
| [19:16:46] | justinh: | I wish |
| [19:17:01] | justinh: | actually, no I don't. if this is her only foible I can live with it |
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| [19:17:18] | NickHu: | There's the word... |
| [19:17:20] | NickHu: | "if" ;) |
| [19:17:28] | justinh: | some people are high maintenance gold diggers. she's not :-) |
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| [19:17:39] | devinheitmueller: | I love users: I want component capture, DVB-T, DVB-T2, and I want it cheaper than an HD-PVR. :-) |
| [19:17:43] | NickHu: | Good catch my friend :3 |
| [19:18:18] | justinh: | and those high maintenance gold diggers will be into *every& single bloody reality show and soap opera. Every last darn one |
| [19:18:33] | NickHu: | Hahahahahahaha :L |
| [19:18:45] | justinh: | I can live without Hollyoaks & The only Way Is Essex being on in my house ta very muchly |
| [19:18:45] | NickHu: | Hollyoaks is my personal un-favourite |
| [19:19:00] | ** justinh used to watch Hollyoaks with the sound turned down ;) ** | |
| [19:19:27] | NickHu: | Hehehe ;) |
| [19:19:34] | justinh: | til I got a flatmate who started suggesting how many different ways he'd 'do' the girls in it |
| [19:19:41] | NickHu: | HAHAHAHAHAHAHA |
| [19:19:43] | NickHu: | Nice ;D |
| [19:19:53] | justinh: | he used to do that when we went shopping too, invariably within earshot of said girl |
| [19:19:54] | NickHu: | Shame I'm 14 and my life is boring-as.. :( |
| [19:20:34] | NickHu: | Sounds like a smart guy :P |
| [19:20:51] | justinh: | yeah, he went away one weekend & came back to find the locks changed |
| [19:21:05] | justinh: | eventually |
| [19:21:25] | NickHu: | Oh man, did you really do that to the poor fella..? xD |
| [19:21:44] | justinh: | hey, I put up with a *lot* of grief before things got to that level |
| [19:22:10] | NickHu: | Elaborate..? :P |
| [19:22:14] | justinh: | anyway, how come if you're so young you're not content with doing everything online? |
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| [19:22:53] | justinh: | NickHu: rolling in at 2am after a night out, then leaving again with more cash.. on his way to a brothel |
| [19:23:00] | NickHu: | justinh: Because I don't masturbate 5 times a day |
| [19:23:06] | NickHu: | justinh: Niiiiiiice xD |
| [19:23:13] | justinh: | LOL I meant TELEVISION |
| [19:23:13] | NickHu: | Didn't you interview the guy? :P |
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| [19:23:49] | NickHu: | Because facebook got boring, video games got boring, and I live in the middle of no where |
| [19:24:14] | skd5aner: | ahhh, the voice of our future... |
| [19:24:14] | justinh: | yeah. FB could use an UNLIKE button |
| [19:24:55] | NickHu: | Or a "Go outside" button |
| [19:25:02] | NickHu: | skd5aner: Relax, I'm not your future |
| [19:25:17] | skd5aner: | ;)\ |
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| [19:30:08] | hugo__: | Hi all, Would somebody have the time to help me findout why myth is currently not working on my PC ? @wagnerrp Already helped me with some basic stuff, but real success has still eluded us |
| [19:30:26] | NickHu: | It's not twitter, you don't need @ |
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| [19:31:28] | hugo__: | I have an "ivtv0: Autodetected Hauppauge card (cx23416 based)" |
| [19:32:01] | hugo__: | WinTV PVR 500 |
| [19:32:47] | hugo__: | Anyone? |
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| [19:36:19] | hugo__: | ANyone able to help me setup my Hauppage WinTV PVR 500 ? |
| [19:37:05] | wagnerrp: | could we see your backend logs? |
| [19:37:54] | lapion: | sphery, I had to revert to my last system, and restored a backup from somewhere.. |
| [19:38:42] | lapion: | newer kernels and more recent mythtvs combinations tend to not support analog saa7133 type cards |
| [19:40:00] | NewBuntu81: | gotta love reply to all's (emails). someone replied to all and it had swearing in it...someone VERY HIGH UP responded that it wasn't nice to use words like that. |
| [19:40:15] | wagnerrp: | responded to all? |
| [19:40:21] | NewBuntu81: | reply to all |
| [19:40:33] | wagnerrp: | the 'high up' |
| [19:41:20] | NewBuntu81: | oh and it was a contractor that swore. whoops. hahaha. i bet they're not having a good day. |
| [19:42:37] | wagnerrp: | i bet he french fried when he was supposed to pizza |
| [19:42:46] | NewBuntu81: | hahaha |
| [19:43:20] | NewBuntu81: | i love SP! |
| [19:43:25] | NewBuntu81: | that's southpark, and not SharePoint! hahaha |
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| [19:47:30] | hugo__: | @wagnerrp Could I show you a piece of backendlog? |
| [19:48:14] | skd5aner: | If you french fry when you're supposed to pizza, you're going to have a very... bad... day... ok? |
| [19:49:26] | NewBuntu81: | i remember that episode, but i forget what pizza was lol. french fry was slowing down, as in "snowplowing" is what we always called it. Pizza was going fast? |
| [19:49:47] | justinh: | hugo__: if you do, use a pastebin please |
| [19:49:55] | justinh: | no more than 2 lines pasted into the channel |
| [19:49:57] | wagnerrp: | by show you mean 'dump into a pastebin, and then give the link in this channel', then yes |
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| [19:50:57] | NewBuntu81: | oh wait i have that backwards. french fries was going faster...i guess pizza was slowing down. |
| [19:51:02] | NewBuntu81: | "In the sking episode of South Park, it was how the kids learned to ski by stopping by forming a pizza shape with his skies and forming two french fries to go faster." |
| [19:51:15] | justinh: | darsh |
| [19:51:42] | hugo__: | Wow, pastebin is cool! :) ok here is a link: http://pastebin.com/SpUDjYXK |
| [19:52:14] | justinh: | yeah, pastebin stops everybody yelling at you & adding you to their /ignore list :-) |
| [19:52:21] | wagnerrp: | permission denied... so the user running mythbackend does not have permission to write to your recording directory |
| [19:53:01] | hugo__: | May I conclude from this log that mythtv wants to create a buffer file, and it doesn't have permission? |
| [19:53:24] | wagnerrp: | no, mythtv wants to make a recording, and it doesnt have permissions |
| [19:53:31] | wagnerrp: | mythtv does not user 'buffer files' |
| [19:53:55] | justinh: | rats. still can't find any pics or video of that crash |
| [19:53:58] | hugo__: | A recording? I didn't schedule anything |
| [19:54:10] | hugo__: | Ah well. |
| [19:54:20] | wagnerrp: | you started a livetv... recording... |
| [19:54:23] | hugo__: | mythtv frontend runs under my account |
| [19:54:35] | hugo__: | I have right in that directory |
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| [19:54:41] | wagnerrp: | and the backend? |
| [19:54:43] | justinh: | everything in mythtv, tv related is a recording |
| [19:54:44] | hugo__: | something I'm overlooking? |
| [19:55:26] | hugo__: | I defenitely have to read up on that |
| [19:55:34] | wagnerrp: | the backend records |
| [19:55:42] | wagnerrp: | the backend needs write access to the recording directory |
| [19:55:43] | hugo__: | hmmmm |
| [19:55:45] | wagnerrp: | the frontend is completely irrelevent |
| [19:55:48] | justinh: | the backend is the part you don't see |
| [19:55:55] | justinh: | literally |
| [19:55:55] | hugo__: | yep |
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| [19:55:59] | hugo__: | runts under myth |
| [19:56:05] | hugo__: | runts under mythtv user |
| [19:56:19] | hugo__: | OK, this is *really* helpfull |
| [19:56:23] | justinh: | which doesn't have permission to write to the directory :-) |
| [19:56:29] | wagnerrp: | and does the mythtv user have write access to that directory? |
| [19:56:30] | hugo__: | right! |
| [19:56:40] | hugo__: | I'll change the dir to /tmp then? |
| [19:56:58] | justinh: | not a good idea |
| [19:57:19] | hugo__: | it will flood it? |
| [19:57:29] | wagnerrp: | many distros will flush /tmp when they boot |
| [19:57:37] | hugo__: | ah |
| [19:57:52] | wagnerrp: | by definition, everything in /tmp is temporary |
| [19:58:00] | wagnerrp: | recordings are not temporary |
| [19:58:08] | wagnerrp: | they are removed when and only when the backend decides to do so |
| [19:58:23] | hugo__: | OK, /home/mythtv/ then? |
| [19:58:33] | justinh: | anywhere you have plenty of space |
| [19:58:48] | hugo__: | Yes, that's why I put it there |
| [19:58:54] | hugo__: | I'll check |
| [19:58:57] | hugo__: | BRB |
| [19:59:30] | wagnerrp: | be sure to remove the old path |
| [19:59:34] | wagnerrp: | and restart the backend |
| [20:00:06] | hugo__: | will do! keep you posten and thanks in advance! |
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| [20:28:00] | hugo__: | Hmm, no success yet. I feel really stupid but I am unable to change owner of a new directory |
| [20:28:33] | hugo__: | Andbackend is not happy with using /home/mythtv |
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| [20:30:52] | justinh: | it would be, if it's running as the mythtv user |
| [20:31:10] | justinh: | and if you restarted the backend properly, and didn't leave the old directory configured |
| [20:31:30] | justinh: | chown is the command to change ownership of files & directories |
| [20:31:46] | justinh: | if your own user doesn't have permission to change things, use sudo |
| [20:31:47] | hugo__: | I know, both are not working |
| [20:32:21] | hugo__: | I used: "Sudo -hR mythtv /ossshare/mythv/ |
| [20:32:21] | justinh: | so let's confirm mythbackend is running as the right user |
| [20:32:34] | hugo__: | It tels me flatout i do not have permission for that |
| [20:33:17] | hugo__: | ANd backend says its unable to access /home/mythtv and if I would like to change it to a differnt directory |
| [20:33:28] | hugo__: | very strange ... |
| [20:33:35] | justinh: | sudo allows you to run a *command* as a superuser. it won't change ownership of files/dirs itself |
| [20:33:53] | justinh: | so, confirm mythbackend is running as the mythtv user |
| [20:34:15] | justinh: | ps -ef |grep mythbackend |
| [20:34:33] | hugo__: | I changed the directory to /tmp/ just to check if we're on the right track |
| [20:34:41] | justinh: | and? |
| [20:34:49] | hugo__: | I got some image :) |
| [20:35:00] | hugo__: | SO I guess the directory thing is the blocking issue |
| [20:35:11] | justinh: | the permissions issue is the blocker here |
| [20:35:21] | hugo__: | mythtv 22381 22380 0 22:24 ? 00:00:00 /usr/bin/mythbackend --logfile /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log --user mythtv |
| [20:35:29] | justinh: | right, so the user is mythtv |
| [20:35:32] | justinh: | good :-) |
| [20:35:34] | hugo__: | right |
| [20:36:06] | justinh: | so, somewhere you have plenty of space, make a new directory & change the owner to mythtv |
| [20:36:21] | justinh: | e.g. mkdir /store/tv/recordings |
| [20:36:25] | hugo__: | It's already helping heaps to know *what* the issue is :) |
| [20:36:33] | hugo__: | I did |
| [20:36:34] | justinh: | then chown mythtv /store/tv/recordings |
| [20:36:37] | hugo__: | I'm not allowed |
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| [20:36:51] | justinh: | so you need permission to :-) |
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| [20:37:19] | justinh: | that's what the sudo command is used for – making sure you take care not to do silly things where you're not supposed to :-) |
| [20:37:20] | hugo__: | I just did a sudo |
| [20:37:30] | justinh: | e.g. sudo mkdir /thedirectory |
| [20:37:34] | hugo__: | I used sudo chown |
| [20:37:37] | hugo__: | and sudo -s |
| [20:37:40] | hugo__: | and then chown |
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| [20:38:02] | hugo__: | both the same:Operation not permitted |
| [20:38:04] | justinh: | heh I didn't know about sudo -s |
| [20:38:22] | skd5aner: | I use sudo -i cause I'm lazy |
| [20:38:26] | hugo__: | then I went to a differnt partition |
| [20:38:40] | justinh: | operation not permitted isn't the same as Permission denied AFAIK |
| [20:38:50] | hugo__: | WHat's sudo -i ? |
| [20:38:59] | justinh: | interactive |
| [20:39:15] | skd5aner: | basically su root |
| [20:39:44] | hugo__: | OK, let's try |
| [20:40:51] | hugo__: | No error message this time |
| [20:40:58] | hugo__: | just doesn't do anything |
| [20:41:19] | hugo__: | I have never encountered ssomething like this |
| [20:42:59] | justinh: | I can't think why mythbackend wouldn't take /home/mythtv as a storage group |
| [20:43:19] | justinh: | unless it didn't have permission to write to it |
| [20:43:28] | hugo__: | It says it is unabl to use the dir |
| [20:43:50] | hugo__: | That would be kinda weird wouldn't it? |
| [20:44:16] | justinh: | so? anybody can change permissions on a directory :-) |
| [20:44:41] | hugo__: | "chown -hR mythtv thedirectory" silently fails under sudo -i |
| [20:44:53] | hugo__: | I'm not anybody ;-) |
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| [20:45:53] | hugo__: | I'm flabbergasted |
| [20:47:57] | hugo__: | http://pastebin.com/Ua5mRwek |
| [20:48:19] | hugo__: | proof I'm not about to wake up |
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| [20:49:19] | justinh: | the group is plugdev? :-O |
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| [20:50:12] | NewBuntu81: | Has anyone ever known a DIAMOND XtremeTV PVR600 USB 2.0 has an MPEG2 encoder onboard? |
| [20:50:26] | hugo__: | That happend to any directory I create |
| [20:50:32] | hugo__: | no idea what it is |
| [20:50:53] | wagnerrp: | NewBuntu81: do you have one of these in your posession? |
| [20:51:05] | hugo__: | Would it matter? |
| [20:51:14] | NewBuntu81: | hi wagnerrp. Yes i do actually. LOL. |
| [20:51:25] | NewBuntu81: | Was wondering if it's worth keeping or time to put it in the garbage. |
| [20:51:28] | justinh: | hugo__: not really. you should be able to change it.. but I'm starting to think this is something like a USB disk |
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| [20:51:43] | justinh: | chown user:group |
| [20:51:56] | justinh: | or chgrp group :) |
| [20:52:04] | hugo__: | from internet: "The first user created on the system is in the plugdev group." |
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| [20:52:21] | wagnerrp: | NewBuntu81: can you plug it in, and get it recognized by the IVTV drivers? |
| [20:52:35] | hugo__: | Let's try and add the mythtv user to the group ... |
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| [20:52:47] | NewBuntu81: | sure |
| [20:53:14] | wagnerrp: | NewBuntu81: i mean if it is recognized by the drivers as an mpeg encoder, go for it |
| [20:53:16] | hugo__: | Adding user mythtv to group plugdev |
| [20:53:16] | hugo__: | Done. |
| [20:53:22] | wagnerrp: | if not, chances are its not worth bothering |
| [20:54:04] | wagnerrp: | hugo__: 'winbackup'... this is an NTFS partition? |
| [20:55:11] | justinh: | it's a blimmin USB drive.. or was |
| [20:55:23] | justinh: | just looked up the plugdev group |
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| [20:55:45] | wagnerrp: | right, its what is assigned to automatically mounted disks that do not support standard POSIX file permissions |
| [20:55:56] | hugo__: | "Unable to create file ' /home/mythtv//.test' – directory is not writable? Do you want to go back and fix this (thes" |
| [20:56:30] | NewBuntu81: | wagnerrp: Bus 001 Device 004: ID 07de:0600 Diamond Multimedia |
| [20:56:39] | wagnerrp: | are you running mythtv-setup as the same user that will be running mythbackend? |
| [20:56:57] | skd5aner: | lol – ifixit's latest teardown – http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Tracking-Device-Teardown/5250/1 |
| [20:57:52] | hugo__: | change it to other directory owned by plugdev |
| [20:58:00] | hugo__: | and.... IT WORKS! |
| [20:58:07] | hugo__: | whoooooooooohaaaaaa |
| [20:58:30] | hugo__: | Image is VERY bad and in black and white but I watch TV :))) |
| [20:58:45] | justinh: | so is it a USB disk, or a former windows partition? |
| [20:58:50] | justinh: | or both? |
| [20:59:16] | NewBuntu81: | wagnerrp: Looks like it's only showing it as usb 1.1 though, even though it can do 2.0. "New USB device found, idVendor=07de, idProduct=0600 |
| [20:59:16] | NewBuntu81: | " |
| [20:59:23] | hugo__: | Unbelievable |
| [20:59:34] | hugo__: | Couldn't have done it without you |
| [20:59:40] | NewBuntu81: | congrats hugo! |
| [20:59:45] | hugo__: | thanks |
| [21:02:38] | NewBuntu81: | wagnerrp: This is what that diamond card (snapstream) looks like, model pvr600usb. http://www.diamondmm.com/PVR600RCUSB.php |
| [21:05:54] | justinh: | w00t, as they say |
| [21:05:56] | NewBuntu81: | Interresting, according to http://forums.anandtech.com/archive/index.php/t-1460567.html, the pvr600usb has an onboard hardware encoder. |
| [21:06:17] | justinh: | interesting, because I bet on the linuxtv.org website it's not mentioned :P |
| [21:07:48] | NewBuntu81: | yea probably not lol. hahaha |
| [21:07:57] | NewBuntu81: | that's why i was curious if any of the brains here knew. |
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| [21:10:01] | justinh: | oh. one post on an ubuntu forum. unanswered |
| [21:10:03] | NewBuntu81: | Ok, and whoever stated that on a listing must have got it from snapstream's webpage. It's listed up there too, that's the vendor. http://www.snapstream.com/Products/beyondtv/sysreq.asp |
| [21:10:09] | NewBuntu81: | LOL |
| [21:12:53] | justinh: | and that guy made a post somewhere else too. also unanswered |
| [21:12:56] | justinh: | not looking good |
| [21:16:18] | NewBuntu81: | there's a footnote on snapstream's page. "(1) TV tuner cards with hardware encoding do all the "heavy-lifting" required to record and watch TV which allows your processor to do other things. For this reason, SnapStream recommends TV tuner cards with hardware encoding" |
| [21:17:31] | justinh: | see? we try telling you guys that all the blimmin time! |
| [21:17:43] | justinh: | oh wait.. what a load |
| [21:18:07] | justinh: | that kind of implies they do the decoding too |
| [21:22:22] | JEDIDIAH__: | list mythtv |
| [21:22:57] | wagnerrp: | NewBuntu81: as always, we are subject to the whim of the driver developers |
| [21:23:07] | wagnerrp: | if the device is not supported in linux, we cant use it |
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| [21:23:59] | NewBuntu81: | right, i understand. |
| [21:24:15] | NewBuntu81: | so if my box knows what the device is...that's a good start anyway... |
| [21:24:37] | justinh: | it probably doesn't |
| [21:25:02] | justinh: | it might list it, but chances are unless it's pretty much a clone of a device that already works, you are boned |
| [21:25:04] | NewBuntu81: | no, it does. that was what i mentioned above. it knows the product id and such--it recognizes it. |
| [21:25:09] | NewBuntu81: | right lol. |
| [21:27:56] | NewBuntu81: | I helped a 60-some year old lady that isn't very technical at all...perform a firmware update on her home router today. So I guess my thoughts are pretty happy today hahaha. |
| [21:31:39] | justinh: | oh wow. wife's tv viewing is all happy happy joy joy tonight. LOL |
| [21:32:19] | justinh: | Waterloo Road. new series.. schoolgirl, pregnant by her stepdad gives birth at home, unknown to parents & dumps the baby in school. |
| [21:33:11] | kormoc: | Is that a Law and Order SVU Episode? |
| [21:33:16] | NewBuntu81: | lol |
| [21:33:45] | NewBuntu81: | or part of that new program, "Sixteen and Pregnant?". Why they'd want to show that stuff..who knows. |
| [21:34:00] | justinh: | NewBuntu81: to give em something to aspire to |
| [21:35:29] | kormoc: | NewBuntu81, all the bible belt get to watch and shake their heads and pray to the lord their god for the sinners! |
| [21:35:48] | JEDIDIAH__: | nothing in the bible belt makes them especially less prone to that sort of thing. |
| [21:36:19] | Shadow__X: | some may say they might be more prone to teenage pregnancies |
| [21:36:49] | Shadow__X: | purity pledges do not seem to work out all that well |
| [21:37:35] | justinh: | more nudity on teevee. less violence. |
| [21:38:47] | Shadow__X: | more money in research less money in entertainment? |
| [21:39:04] | kormoc: | More condoms less bracelets? |
| [21:39:47] | Shadow__X: | that should work |
| [21:39:50] | justinh: | less hangups :-) |
| [21:40:12] | kormoc: | More sterilization less children? ;) |
| [21:40:41] | justinh: | plot a graph... teenage preggers rate vs how morally messed up (i.e. conservative) a nation is :D |
| [21:41:07] | JEDIDIAH__: | the only people that would consider sterilizatoin are the ones that need to breed more rather than less. |
| [21:41:16] | justinh: | yup |
| [21:41:24] | kormoc: | justinh, plot suicides too! |
| [21:41:33] | justinh: | oh this is good. 16 yr old has just walked out of the hospital with the baby. HAHAHAHAHAHA |
| [21:42:04] | justinh: | jees. I was ferrying bags in & out of my wife's ward when our lad was born – bags checked on the way in and out |
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| [21:44:12] | kormoc: | Beirdo, hdpvr-killer is quite the... aggressive name |
| [21:44:25] | justinh: | dremel? chainsaw? |
| [21:44:39] | Beirdo: | it's purpose is to kill the power |
| [21:44:52] | kormoc: | it sounds too much like a etherkiller |
| [21:45:17] | Beirdo: | yeah, I know... It can use a rename... but it's what fit at the time with the several pints of beer in my system |
| [21:46:38] | JEDIDIAH__: | howabout robo-outlet? |
| [21:46:46] | kormoc: | and I really should cancel my tv... all my recordings for the next two weeks are OTA |
| [21:47:00] | kormoc: | that's half the month of nothing on satellite that I want |
| [21:47:32] | Beirdo: | JEDIDIAH__: it has no outlets. |
| [21:47:39] | Beirdo: | it's ONLY for HDPVR at this point |
| [21:50:39] | Beirdo: | eventually, I likely will end up making a version that's more generic, but for now, it's specifically meant for the load characteristics of the HD-PVR |
| [21:51:20] | justinh: | be good for ADSL routers & the like too – I hear they often poop their pants |
| [21:51:37] | JEDIDIAH__: | my problem child seems to be the directv reciever. |
| [21:52:06] | Beirdo: | how do you change channels? |
| [21:52:14] | JEDIDIAH__: | I have one of those little outlet/switch combo deals on the UPS just so I have a proper hard power switch for the thing. |
| [21:52:15] | justinh: | they're not good at uptime, those commercial STBs |
| [21:52:30] | kormoc: | which is funny |
| [21:52:40] | justinh: | considering they're designed to be left on |
| [21:52:48] | kormoc: | exactly |
| [21:52:54] | justinh: | same as the DVRs a certain company makes, too :P |
| [21:54:32] | justinh: | how much testing do you reckon they do? a week? 2 weeks? Heheheheh |
| [21:55:17] | JEDIDIAH__: | ...now that you put it like that, you would think that they would do some torture testing of those things that would be kinda similar to how lots of us use them with mythtv. |
| [21:55:26] | JEDIDIAH__: | ...or even worse. |
| [21:55:53] | JEDIDIAH__: | ...not sure if changing the channel on the thing every 30 minutes is such a harsh thing. |
| [21:56:21] | justinh: | nah, there's no money in it |
| [21:56:56] | justinh: | and bedtime at last. Yay! |
| [21:57:22] | Beirdo: | you never did answer the question |
| [21:57:24] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [21:57:31] | Beirdo: | how are you changing channels? |
| [21:57:42] | kormoc: | Willpower |
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| [22:03:27] | ** JEDIDIAH__ uses USB control for his DTV boxes ** | |
| [22:05:27] | Beirdo: | right, so add some smarts to your scripts... if the channel change fails, reset the box |
| [22:05:30] | Beirdo: | works for me |
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| [22:08:41] | JEDIDIAH__: | been there, did that. still have the occasional hangup. |
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