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| [00:11:30] | NewBuntu81 (NewBuntu81!~HVR2250@173.67.143.68) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [00:12:30] | NewBuntu81: | hi all. My mythtv recordings list is empty now, but i know there are files there. Is there some sort of maintenance tool I need to run to get it to show the recordings? |
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| [00:28:36] | wagnerrp: | the recordings list is populated by the backend |
| [00:28:42] | wagnerrp: | is your backend not responding? |
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| [00:32:35] | NewBuntu81: | i'm on the backend right now. the list is empty on that (also) |
| [00:32:47] | NewBuntu81: | i pulled up an article about looking for 0 byte recordings and deleting them |
| [00:33:00] | NewBuntu81: | also looking through the mythbackend.log file for errors |
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| [00:33:04] | wagnerrp: | no, your backend may be deadlocked |
| [00:33:12] | wagnerrp: | so you see socket errors in your backend logs? |
| [00:33:46] | NewBuntu81: | like this? "2011-05–01 17:47:17.981 ProgramInfo(1085_20110501170000.mpg), Error: GetPlaybackURL: '1085_20110501170000.mpg' should be local, but it can not be found." |
| [00:34:29] | wagnerrp: | that would be a failed recording |
| [00:34:51] | NewBuntu81: | and then there's this, which appears a few times: "Driver error was [2/1194]: |
| [00:34:52] | NewBuntu81: | QMYSQL3: Unable to store statement results |
| [00:34:52] | NewBuntu81: | Database error was: |
| [00:34:52] | NewBuntu81: | Table 'recorded' is marked as crashed and should be repaired" |
| [00:35:14] | wagnerrp: | well thats certainly a problem |
| [00:35:19] | NewBuntu81: | a bad db would explain why nothing shows up |
| [00:39:18] | sphery: | NewBuntu81: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Frequently_Asked_Q . . . ecordings.3F ? |
| [00:39:23] | NewBuntu81: | i'm attempting a db repair via http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_errors |
| [00:39:51] | sphery: | ah, but you got to the crashed table already |
| [00:39:56] | sphery: | run optimize_mythdb.pl |
| [00:40:10] | NewBuntu81: | ah |
| [00:42:58] | NewBuntu81: | ok, running. i had to do a quick google to figure out why it wouldn't run. i had to make it an executable. |
| [00:43:08] | NewBuntu81: | it says its analyzing and repairing |
| [00:43:20] | sphery: | cool, sounds like it's working |
| [00:43:25] | sphery: | just make sure it says ok on all |
| [00:45:15] | NewBuntu81: | sweet, that fixed it! |
| [00:45:22] | NewBuntu81: | thank you thank you thank you! |
| [00:46:10] | sphery: | enjoy |
| [00:46:50] | skd5aner: | I think I found my new small footprint mythfrontend – http://www.pcworld.com/article/227307/tiny_pc . . . h_drive.html |
| [00:47:14] | wagnerrp: | it would be the perfect frontend |
| [00:47:26] | sphery: | hard part will be stuffing a GT220 into that USB slot |
| [00:47:35] | skd5aner: | way better than a sheeva plug! |
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| [00:48:16] | NewBuntu81: | i can't believe gas is in the 4$ range again. eek. it was 4.49$ on long island (NY) this week when I was there. |
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| [00:49:01] | skd5aner: | I can't believe gas isn't $8/gallon yet |
| [00:49:07] | skd5aner: | I mean, why not, right? |
| [00:49:09] | NewBuntu81: | lol |
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| [00:50:27] | NewBuntu81: | oh if anyone in the US cares...microcenter has UPS's on sale. 650VA for like 44$ after instant rebate. |
| [00:51:28] | skd5aner: | hmmm, that small linux box stick has some interesting specs: OpenGL ES 2.0 |
| [00:51:28] | skd5aner: | , 1080p30 H.264 high-profile decode (whatever that really means?), |
| [00:51:28] | skd5aner: | Composite and HDMI video output |
| [00:51:50] | wagnerrp: | do they show the level? |
| [00:52:12] | skd5aner: | http://www.raspberrypi.org/ |
| [00:52:20] | skd5aner: | $25 |
| [00:53:07] | wagnerrp: | going to need some big changes to make the frontend run on 128MB |
| [00:53:44] | skd5aner: | heh – this is one of those things that would be fun to just say "hey, it 'works'" for demonstration purposes only though |
| [00:54:16] | sphery: | is someone going to finally port Iulius to mythui? |
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| [00:54:54] | NewBuntu81: | Can you run the optimize_mythdb.pl as a weekly chronjob? |
| [00:54:57] | sphery: | (actually, MythLite might fit the bill for low-resource-usage, but is actually designed for mythui) |
| [00:54:57] | NewBuntu81: | or would that be bad? |
| [00:55:03] | ** iamlindoro eyes sphery dangerously ** | |
| [00:55:22] | sphery: | NewBuntu81: I run it daily--at a time when it's really unlikely to be recording |
| [00:55:50] | sphery: | 4:38 am |
| [00:55:52] | NewBuntu81: | Oh, ok. I had never done that and it ran about 3 months before it crashed the db lol. |
| [00:56:15] | sphery: | it crashed the db? |
| [00:56:22] | sphery: | or the db crashed and it fixed it |
| [00:56:52] | Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : -o iamlindoro | |
| [00:57:24] | sphery: | whew... glad I had an excuse to go back on topic. saved by optimize_mythdb.pl |
| [00:57:36] | NewBuntu81: | The optimizer fixed my already crashed db. |
| [00:58:21] | NewBuntu81: | But go figure...the thing ran for 3 months without ever being optimized. And it broke on the week I was out of town. LOL. |
| [00:58:29] | sphery: | iamlindoro: btw, got my new GT220 installed--and now I can use OpenGL and VDPAU renderers--even at 1.75x with captions/osd--so my Arclight OSD looks beautiful, even on my 480i recordings |
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| [00:58:56] | iamlindoro: | cool |
| [00:59:27] | sphery: | NewBuntu81: yeah, the db corruption generally occurs when mysqld isn't shut down properly--i.e. you lose power or something |
| [00:59:34] | NewBuntu81: | i'm reading the link you pasted, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/User_Manual:Periodic_Maintenance. How do I create a shell script? Or i just create a blank file and name it with the .sh at the end? |
| [01:00:00] | NewBuntu81: | Ah. Actually I guess we did lose power, i'm not sure if it was that day or afterwards. |
| [01:00:04] | sphery: | the optimize/analyze doesn't really do much that's useful for mythtv, so really only the repair becomes useful--but that's only useful after a crash or something |
| [01:00:15] | NewBuntu81: | Hence why I bought a new UPS today on my way back. |
| [01:00:41] | sphery: | but if you run optimize_mythdb.pl frequently, the analyze/optimize don't take much time or effort, so no reason not to have the script run them, too |
| [01:01:03] | NewBuntu81: | ok. so i just create a file with an .sh at the end? |
| [01:01:10] | NewBuntu81: | i've never created a script before in linux |
| [01:01:44] | sphery: | that shell script on the periodic maintenance page is just for using the system's cron.daily and such... where you stuff a link or shell script into a directory and the system's cron job runs it--when it feels is appropriate |
| [01:01:47] | wagnerrp: | extension is irrelevant |
| [01:02:09] | wagnerrp: | the script interpreter is determined using the shebang line |
| [01:02:11] | sphery: | I, personally, have my own crontab, where I've set it up as: |
| [01:02:12] | sphery: | # Check/repair/optimize the MythTV database |
| [01:02:12] | sphery: | &mail(no) 38 4 * * * nice -n 18 optimize_mythdb.pl > /home/mythtv/log/optimize_mythdb.log 2>&1 |
| [01:02:42] | sphery: | that way it always runs at 4:38 |
| [01:03:36] | NewBuntu81: | ohhh, i think i see |
| [01:03:47] | NewBuntu81: | so i just put a new file in that cron.daily folder, and it runs it? |
| [01:03:54] | sphery: | wagnerrp: now I finally understand that Ricky Martin song |
| [01:04:07] | NewBuntu81: | (the file is basically a link, or shortcut in windows, and cron.daily is the scheduler?) |
| [01:04:24] | NewBuntu81: | HAHAHAHA |
| [01:04:37] | wagnerrp: | ? |
| [01:04:47] | NewBuntu81: | his shebang reference |
| [01:05:05] | sphery: | NewBuntu81: AFAIU, there's a system crontab that's set to run the a script that runs everything in the cronl.daily dir daily, and everything in cron.weekly weekly, etc. |
| [01:05:26] | sphery: | so it's an easy way for a user to "schedule" some *ly task without having to learn about cron |
| [01:06:03] | sphery: | wagnerrp: it's actually "She Bangs", but I'm assuming it's talking about multiple scripts |
| [01:06:19] | sphery: | no clue what else the song could be about |
| [01:10:28] | NewBuntu81: | ok, i think i'm gtg |
| [01:10:56] | NewBuntu81: | thank you again! |
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| [01:43:43] | wagnerrp: | well i moved my computer, and now its emitting some strange high pitched whine through the speakers |
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| [01:46:14] | mycosys: | ack |
| [01:47:38] | wagnerrp: | so... onboard sound it is |
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| [01:48:21] | wagnerrp: | not in the mood to reboot and figure out whats wrong with the sound card |
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| [02:42:09] | sphery: | "At 190mph, the wind will literally lift ordinary windshield wipers off the glass. So, did we build a slower car or design wipers that could handle anything? What do you think?" Wow, I'll have to get a Cadillac CTS-V--since I spend so much time driving 190mph... |
| [02:43:17] | wagnerrp: | somehow i doubt a CTS-V will actually do 190mph |
| [02:43:33] | sphery: | am I the only one who's actually upset by all these commercials that try to convince me how great cars are by talking about or showing people doing things with them that would be completely illegal? |
| [02:43:45] | straterra: | yes |
| [02:43:47] | straterra: | you are |
| [02:44:20] | wagnerrp: | sphery: thats not true, you could take it to a drag strip... or as the ad showed, the salt flats |
| [02:44:20] | sphery: | the guy getting a call about how someone forgot donuts, then speeding--dangerously--through traffic to get to the donut shop and then to work just in time for the big meeting with the client... |
| [02:44:47] | straterra: | ive done that |
| [02:44:59] | straterra: | except it was with a major outage at our datacenter |
| [02:45:08] | sphery: | and the honda commercial showing the ninja girl jumping across the opening draw bridge, "Because everyone's different" or whatever |
| [02:45:26] | wagnerrp: | ive not seen the drawbridge one |
| [02:45:41] | wagnerrp: | i like the ones where the city is falling apart, or otherwise transforming |
| [02:45:50] | wagnerrp: | "when the robots come, youll be ready" |
| [02:46:03] | sphery: | wagnerrp: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUhkN_VLGFg |
| [02:46:32] | sphery: | "to each their own"... that's it |
| [02:46:44] | sphery: | granted that one has a video game element to it, but still |
| [02:46:58] | wagnerrp: | you know, that car would be destroyed on the opposite side of that jump |
| [02:47:17] | sphery: | maybe honda is just a big believer in helping out Darwin |
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| [02:50:57] | sphery: | the donuts commercial: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EX5rwqgIcAo |
| [02:51:33] | sphery: | but because he says, "Professional driver. Closed course." it's all OK |
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| [02:53:34] | wagnerrp: | ive seen the donut one |
| [02:53:53] | wagnerrp: | that cts-v is 556hp these days |
| [02:54:01] | wagnerrp: | i /might/ believe that would do 190 |
| [02:54:05] | wagnerrp: | but thats really pushing it |
| [02:54:19] | wagnerrp: | that may be all out top speed in high gear, the absolute limit of the curve |
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| [02:54:41] | wagnerrp: | the kind of thing that you need 30 miles of straight track to hit |
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| [03:04:50] | sphery: | which explains the choice of salt flats over drag strip :) |
| [03:11:52] | mycosys: | gunbarrel highway ftw |
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| [03:32:57] | sphery: | grrr... Fallout New Vegas is $19.99 (new) at Gamestop this weekend. I'm still feeling guilty for how much of my life I've wasted on Fallout 3 |
| [03:34:34] | wagnerrp: | i think i paid like $25 for it last year |
| [03:34:48] | sphery: | wow, that's impressive |
| [03:34:57] | sphery: | pc, I presume |
| [03:35:03] | wagnerrp: | it was some ridiculously low price, i couldnt pass it up |
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| [03:50:10] | mag0o: | doesn't new at gamestop mean they've already opened it for you and taken it out of the package? :) |
| [03:53:06] | wagnerrp: | well they do have to test each game for quality |
| [03:53:27] | sphery: | heh |
| [03:54:06] | wagnerrp: | although, i did go into a gamestop near my house only to find most of the games had been sliced open and the innards removed |
| [03:54:21] | wagnerrp: | concerned, i told the clear, who informed me all the disks were stored under the counter |
| [03:54:39] | wagnerrp: | so if the games were stolen, all they would get is the (important) cd key |
| [03:55:03] | wagnerrp: | seems someone failed to grasp the concept that the disk itself was meaningless |
| [03:56:01] | wagnerrp: | oh goodie goodie |
| [03:56:08] | wagnerrp: | unstable crysis, i forgot about you |
| [03:56:19] | wagnerrp: | i borrowed a copy of warhead from a friend years back |
| [03:56:27] | wagnerrp: | and im just now remembering i never finished it |
| [03:56:34] | wagnerrp: | because it was too crash happy on the final level |
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| [04:13:31] | wagnerrp: | crashy crashy |
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| [04:45:54] | wagnerrp: | crashy |
| [04:46:19] | wagnerrp: | took the whole graphics driver with it this time |
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| [05:53:42] | wagnerrp: | sphery: thats it, im not watching any more fringe |
| [05:53:48] | wagnerrp: | not until the whole thing is over and done with |
| [05:54:20] | wagnerrp: | im done with being fed the store piecemeal |
| [05:56:06] | wagnerrp: | *story |
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| [06:05:17] | mycosys: | gone the way of lost eh wagnerrp |
| [06:06:39] | wagnerrp: | never watched lost |
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| [06:08:14] | wagnerrp: | and they cant just leave it at an incremental ending |
| [06:08:25] | wagnerrp: | they have to leave it at a cliffhanger WTF ending |
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| [13:08:59] | NewBuntu81: | Hi All. I just installed two pvr-150 cards. I see it changed the vidxx port of my 2250 inputs. However, the backend status isn't showing any encoders now. Any thoughts? |
| [13:13:35] | lyricnz: | need to rereun mythtv setup to add the new cards, map to source ,etc |
| [13:16:06] | NewBuntu81: | i've done all of that. 150 #1 and #2 are vid0 and vid1 respectively. and the 2250's 2 tuners are vid2 and vid3. |
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| [13:53:55] | NewBuntu81: | interesting. a reboot fixed it all! |
| [13:56:31] | NewBuntu81: | it all--meaning the hardware issues. |
| [13:57:01] | NewBuntu81: | Ok, now my upcoming recordings are blank. Last night I had to do an optimize database which now shows my recordings. Do I need to run another command to get my upcoming recordings to come back and be shown? |
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| [13:58:56] | lyricnz: | one of your tables might be damaged |
| [13:59:12] | lyricnz: | are your recording rules intact? |
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| [14:08:55] | NewBuntu81: | the recording rules seem OK |
| [14:09:37] | NewBuntu81: | BTW, I have another question. Are the "sources" just what type of input it is? Such as "over the air" or "cable"? |
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| [14:10:18] | NewBuntu81: | I get channels up to 20 on the regular hard wire. I have that set up as "cable" in schedules direct, removed the channels I don't get. Then for the ones I need the DTA, I used the "digital cable". |
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| [14:10:55] | NewBuntu81: | Do i need to set up a "source" for each one of my cards? Or just one total for each type of source (over the air, cable-ch up to 20, and digital-21 and above)? |
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| [14:24:24] | sphery: | NewBuntu81: no upcoming recordings either means no connection to the DB or (more likely, with what you've described), broken input connections. Best fix is to clear them all and start over. http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034 |
| [14:25:00] | sphery: | NewBuntu81: You will need a separate mythtv video source for each unique list of channels (and their tuning information) available on an input |
| [14:25:24] | sphery: | However, you can use a single Schedules Direct lineup for all those mythtv video sources |
| [14:25:35] | NewBuntu81: | ok, thought so. it's getting more confusing because of comcast encrypting most of them hahaha. |
| [14:25:48] | NewBuntu81: | but most of the ones i watch are the first 20--the major networks, which by law they can't encrypt. |
| [14:26:08] | sphery: | that means you'll need a different video source for those channels you get from DTA and those channels you tune directly |
| [14:26:22] | NewBuntu81: | Ok, so for my 2250's, i want them to show the first 20 and be able to record. Then for 21+ i will use the 150's to record/view. |
| [14:26:29] | NewBuntu81: | ok, got it. thought so. |
| [14:26:49] | NewBuntu81: | and i have a 3rd for over the air |
| [14:28:14] | sphery: | yeah, exactly |
| [14:28:28] | sphery: | chances are that means 2 SD lineups, then--one for OTA and one for cable |
| [14:28:59] | sphery: | for setting up the video sources that share the SD lineup, see http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-24.html#ss24.2 |
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| [14:30:27] | judget: | can someone help me getting my hdpvr to work |
| [14:31:15] | judget: | i downloaded the mdeia_build and rean ther ./build.sh then didd a make install all wiothout any errors |
| [14:32:04] | judget: | running kernel 2.6.32-31-generic-pae |
| [14:32:28] | NewBuntu81: | sphery: apparently it is still recording, i saw some from today and last night--after we fixed the db last night. so i guess just the "upcoming recording" list appears to be hosed, but it apparently is working?! |
| [14:33:05] | sphery: | recording recordings or recording live tv? |
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| [14:36:30] | judget: | i ran modprobe hdpvr and dmesg shows Linux video capture interface v2.00 and usbcore: registered new interface driver hdpvr |
| [14:36:48] | judget: | but ls /dev/vid* yields no devices |
| [14:36:56] | judget: | any suggestion would be appreciated |
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| [14:39:49] | iamlindoro: | The above messages in dmesg mean you loaded the module, but it did not detect any HD-PVR devices attached |
| [14:40:01] | iamlindoro: | I'd try another USB port/bus/hub |
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| [14:47:07] | judget: | iamlindoro what should it say if it found the hdpvr please? |
| [14:47:46] | iamlindoro: | It will say that it has found and initialized an HD-PVR, its firmware revision, and on which /dev/video node |
| [14:48:33] | judget: | i tried another port and another usb cable maybe i have a duff hdpvr? |
| [14:48:52] | iamlindoro: | Or one which is not supported by the current driver |
| [14:50:44] | judget: | can u please look at this pastebin? http://pastebin.com/tqWbE52 |
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| [14:53:23] | judget: | from that pastebin I am suspicous it seems that it is having trouble reading info from the hdpvr |
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| [14:58:20] | NewBuntu81: | upcoming recordings is back! |
| [14:58:50] | NewBuntu81: | i reran the optimizer...then refreshed. that didn't help. But, i tried switching from "all recordings" to one listed, and it showed that. then i switched back to "all" and it shows everything |
| [15:00:15] | NewBuntu81: | Ooooh. C-Span has the "leases to drill off virginia coast and golf of mexico". Interesting arguments. |
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| [15:01:03] | NewBuntu81: | comment: "for a 107$ barrell of oil, about 27$ of that is speculation. Why do we allow for that? Why do we pay to further line the pockets of wallstreet and the oil companies?" |
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| [15:06:15] | jpabq: | judget, that pastbin link does not work for me. I have had to guess, your problem is that you hae a *new* HD-PVR, and your kernel is too old to understand the HD-PVR's device id. You may need to install the HD-PVR driver from source. |
| [15:09:14] | judget: | yes it is a brand new hdpvr |
| [15:09:26] | judget: | right now attempting to build new media_build |
| [15:09:47] | judget: | then i was gonna build new vl4-dvb |
| [15:09:57] | judget: | am i going down the correct path here? |
| [15:10:51] | judget: | kernel is 2.6.32-31-generic-pae |
| [15:11:14] | judget: | thanku for looking jpabq |
| [15:11:16] | jpabq: | Probably. I have not had to do that myself — my HD-PVRs are two years old, but I believe that is what others have had to do to get recent HD-PVR models to work. |
| [15:11:56] | judget: | the hdpvr driver is actually part of v4l? |
| [15:12:02] | jpabq: | Yes |
| [15:12:03] | judget: | or v4l-dvb |
| [15:12:12] | jpabq: | v4l2 |
| [15:14:07] | jpabq: | http://tvwhere.wordpress.com/2009/03/19/linux . . . 4l-dvb-tree/ |
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| [15:14:57] | jpabq: | That is very old, but indicates that it is part of the -dvb tree |
| [15:16:31] | judget: | jpabq yea i tried to do make the new v4l-dvb but it was whining about the media_build being too old so i am makeing a new media build now |
| [15:16:57] | judget: | this is like a chicken – egg syndrome ha |
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| [15:22:14] | judget: | ah now weith a new mdeia build the v4l-dvb did not whine when i ran a make clean then make |
| [15:22:36] | judget: | maybe this is a good sign |
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| [15:57:51] | deegan: | How do you guys handle transcoding 1080 HDTV? any tips? |
| [16:00:15] | deegan: | Is it possible to do like "on the fly" transcoding with commercial detection on? or is that just imagination. |
| [16:06:44] | StevenR: | deegan: with sufficient processing power, you should be able to do it |
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| [16:08:57] | wagnerrp: | deegan: we dont, we keep the 1080i mpeg2 |
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| [16:12:26] | thwg2005: | what is the easiest way to manually add an OTA ATSC channel? In the channel editor screen, under 'TV Format', I'm not given the option for ATSC... |
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| [16:24:41] | judget: | yay I now have /dev/video0 and mythbackend found the device |
| [16:25:05] | judget: | does anyone know where the next phase of instructions may be? |
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| [16:31:06] | sphery: | thwg2005: you have to scan for digital channels |
| [16:31:18] | sphery: | you can only manually add analog channels |
| [16:31:30] | thwg2005: | sphery: ugh... that sucks |
| [16:31:54] | thwg2005: | sphery: guess I'll have to wait on my amp before I can get all my channels in there |
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| [16:32:30] | sphery: | thwg2005: make sure you back up the db before rescanning or anything: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_and_Restore (that way, if things get broken, you can roll back to the previous state) |
| [16:32:45] | thwg2005: | can I not just update the db manually? |
| [16:33:19] | sphery: | but it's probably best to wait for the amp, anyway--since if the scan can't pick it up, then likely it would result in broken recordings (and may actually put your capture card into a broken state) if mythtv were to try to tune it for a recording |
| [16:33:38] | sphery: | we definitely don't support direct db editing |
| [16:34:00] | sphery: | if you want to edit the db directly and insert the information, please read all of the mythtv source code, first, so you understand the data requirements |
| [16:34:42] | thwg2005: | sphery: ok |
| [16:42:04] | judget: | is there some doc i can use to finish setting up my hdpvr i am tryiong but mythbackend is whining about not having a starting channel |
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| [16:51:06] | sphery: | judget: go into mythtv-setup, input connections, select the hd-pvr input you've configured, and specify a starting channel (should just select it from the list) |
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| [17:21:13] | judget: | does anyone know if the hdpvr should be creating an audio device as well as a video device? |
| [17:21:34] | AndyCap: | judget: probably not since it encodes to h.264 |
| [17:21:48] | AndyCap: | judget: but someone else here knows for a fact |
| [17:22:18] | wagnerrp: | judget: it does not really create either |
| [17:22:33] | wagnerrp: | it creates a compressed datastream device |
| [17:23:07] | wagnerrp: | you get h264/ac3/aac in an mpeg2ts out of /dev/video<n> |
| [17:23:18] | wagnerrp: | but there is no way to get raw video or audio out of it |
| [17:26:27] | judget: | ok so I am doing a test as sudo cat /dev/video0 > test.ts get video only from the stb |
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| [17:30:39] | judget: | right the hdpvr should be creating the mpeg container with h264 video and acc audio providing of course I am getting audio into the hdpvr from the stb |
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| [17:39:43] | judget: | nvm on that duh figured it out I had the wrong audio inputs to the hdpvr hooked up duh |
| [17:40:03] | judget: | so with the test i makes a nice a/v stream |
| [17:40:53] | judget: | now Im just looking for some config documentation for mythtv for the hdpvr, things like setting up channels and how to get the ir blaster to work:) |
| [17:41:45] | judget: | wagnerrp have u used one of these can u recommend some docs? |
| [17:42:45] | NewBuntu81: | Can anyone tell me what this means, to probe them? As in a dmesg | grep? |
| [17:42:47] | NewBuntu81: | "3: Probe the modules |
| [17:42:47] | NewBuntu81: | /sbin/modprobe lirc_dev debug=1 && modprobe lirc_zilog " |
| [17:43:18] | NewBuntu81: | judget, i'm trying to get my pvr-150-mce IR blaster to work today too. |
| [17:43:56] | judget: | well im quite a newbee to this box myself |
| [17:44:06] | judget: | have not got it to work in myth yet |
| [17:44:23] | NewBuntu81: | judget, what OS are you running? |
| [17:44:44] | judget: | ubuntu 10.04 LTS |
| [17:47:37] | judget: | for now I would be happy to see the a/v in mythtv via the stb and hdpvr |
| [17:47:57] | judget: | did u find any docs on setting up the nhdpvr for myth-backend? |
| [17:50:32] | wagnerrp: | judget: no, ive not used one |
| [17:51:28] | wagnerrp: | NewBuntu81: that means... load those modules with those options |
| [17:52:41] | NewBuntu81: | wagnerrp: Thanks. So I'd need to figure out what file to add those commands into...or does it state it already? |
| [17:55:39] | wagnerrp: | usually they are loaded automatically by udev during boot |
| [17:55:51] | NewBuntu81: | i think i found it, rc.local |
| [17:55:58] | wagnerrp: | see your distro documentation on how to force those options |
| [17:56:39] | NewBuntu81: | yep. i'm looking at http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/LIRC#Fedora_14_x86 . . . auge_PVR_150 |
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| [17:58:55] | NewBuntu81: | Can firmware be a .fw or a .bin? |
| [17:59:33] | judget: | well i know the hdpvr is getting a/v from the stb when i try to watch tv i get a black screen so i must have something silly misconfigured |
| [18:01:52] | judget: | front end crashy exit code 139 ring any bells here? |
| [18:02:25] | wagnerrp: | i believe 139 is a segfault |
| [18:02:51] | judget: | tx |
| [18:03:05] | judget: | found some config inst fro mythtv for the hdpvr |
| [18:03:07] | sphery: | it's invalid time zone when mythtv exits properly... it's segfault when mythtv segfaults :) |
| [18:03:15] | sphery: | (meaning it's almost definitely a segfault) |
| [18:04:03] | sphery: | judget: you are using current 0.24-fixes, right? (not some 0.24 release tarball build) |
| [18:04:06] | judget: | right im sure i am doing something wrong here i had this one working with an internah digitak hauppaugge 1600 |
| [18:04:26] | wizbit: | does XFS require user maintenance or can it be left alone forever? |
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| [18:04:35] | judget: | im using the 0.24 as per the mythbuntu repo and it has been updating regularly |
| [18:04:41] | wagnerrp: | user maintenance... how? |
| [18:04:46] | wizbit: | defrag? |
| [18:04:57] | sphery: | judget: so, these repos: http://www.mythbuntu.org/repos ? if so, you're good. |
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| [18:05:18] | wagnerrp: | it can be defragged, but whether it needs to be depends on your usage behavior |
| [18:05:29] | judget: | well the client crashes on all my frontends on multiple clients so im sure it is something i have buggered up in the configs |
| [18:05:46] | wizbit: | what about fsck ? i have never done one on my volume |
| [18:05:47] | judget: | spherry — yes definately |
| [18:05:58] | sphery: | wizbit: AFAIU, XFS does not like mostly-full file systems, and can get severe fragmentation if you go above ~ 90% full |
| [18:06:09] | wagnerrp: | volumes will be automatically checked on mount |
| [18:06:20] | wizbit: | sphery: jeeze, my one has been many times 90% full |
| [18:06:20] | wagnerrp: | checking involved replaying the journal to recover the state |
| [18:06:22] | sphery: | that said, it still may not be a problem--as long as you can read/write from disk as fast as mythtv needs to |
| [18:06:38] | wagnerrp: | should your journal be fubar'd, manual intervention will be required |
| [18:06:46] | wizbit: | can fragmentation cause buffer under runs? |
| [18:06:59] | sphery: | if you're unable to read from disk fast enough, yes |
| [18:07:04] | wizbit: | eeeeek |
| [18:07:14] | sphery: | though 19Mbps is a far cry from 60MB/sec |
| [18:07:30] | wagnerrp: | for what its worth, no filesystem is particularly happy beyond 90% full |
| [18:07:39] | sphery: | (like 240x smaller than what a good drive should be able to give you) |
| [18:07:40] | wizbit: | double eeeek |
| [18:07:44] | ** wizbit checks partitions ** | |
| [18:08:52] | sphery: | wizbit: if you're having problems with prebuffering and you want to see if it's disk read performance, just move one of the recordings to an empty file system on any partition, add it to your storage group configuration, and then play that recording |
| [18:09:07] | wizbit: | ok |
| [18:09:10] | sphery: | if it plays without problems, you may have a file system issue causing degraded read performance |
| [18:09:23] | sphery: | if it plays with the same buffer underruns, you need to find some other cause :) |
| [18:09:37] | wizbit: | i might copy all the recordings onto another disk, and fresh format it, then copy them back |
| [18:10:26] | sphery: | can see http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Troubleshooting:Prebuffering_pause , but as many causes for prebuffering pauses there are, you may not find your solution there |
| [18:10:39] | sphery: | (if not, please add it when you do find it) |
| [18:10:51] | wizbit: | ce |
| [18:10:52] | wizbit: | ace |
| [18:11:09] | sphery: | judget: make sure you're not using XvMC... I.e. do not use /any/ of the CPU+/CPU++/CPU-- playback profile groups |
| [18:11:37] | sphery: | judget: Utilities/Setup|Setup|TV Settings, 3rd screen--choose Slim or any of the VDPAU profiles (assuming you have a VDPAU-capable card) |
| [18:12:24] | sphery: | wizbit: before copying them all, I'd recommend doing a test with one recording--it's unlikely that fragmentation will be a problem (as I mentioned a good disk should give you about 240x the read performance that mythtv needs) |
| [18:12:43] | sphery: | and that's assuming the max bitrate you'll ever see for a US ATSC recording |
| [18:12:44] | wizbit: | ok |
| [18:13:32] | sphery: | the only time that HDD performance has ever cause prebuffering pauses for me is when the HDD is failing and has bad sectors and the HDD has to read, re-read, ... move sectors, ... re-read, etc. |
| [18:13:42] | sphery: | at which point I know that the HDD needs replacing |
| [18:13:54] | wizbit: | sphery: i think that might be my problem, i need to fsck it |
| [18:13:58] | wizbit: | i need to take it offline |
| [18:14:18] | sphery: | check your dmesg, too... you'll usually see errors in there when the HDD hits bad sectors |
| [18:14:20] | wizbit: | this is the same recordings drive ive used since i first used mythtv |
| [18:14:25] | sphery: | they're pretty obvious errors, too |
| [18:14:26] | wizbit: | ace |
| [18:14:33] | wizbit: | dmesg on the backend |
| [18:17:31] | sphery: | yeah, on whatever has the disk that's being read |
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| [18:20:47] | judget: | well now i have the tuner working thru mythtv but need to figure out howe to get the channel changing to work any suggestions on that? |
| [18:21:08] | sphery: | think with the HDPVR, you need to set up LIRC transmitter |
| [18:21:26] | sphery: | no clue how to do that with the HDPVR transmitter (or if it still causes the HDPVR to lock up) |
| [18:24:49] | judget: | hmmm the hdpvr has a little ir adaptor on a wire that seems like it is supposed to go from the hdpvr and sit in front of the stb |
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| [18:29:09] | sphery: | yeah, that's its transmitter, but you should talk to some hdpvr users--at one time, using it would cause the hdpvr to lock up eventually (which meant missed recordings and such) |
| [18:29:35] | sphery: | they may have fixed that by now, but worth checking first |
| [18:30:07] | sphery: | judget: also, if you haven't found it, yet, you should read up on http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Hauppauge_HD-PVR |
| [18:30:55] | judget: | thanks sphery that is what I have used to get this far |
| [18:30:58] | sphery: | heh, in http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Hauppauge_HD-PVR#I . . . tter_Support , I think someone needs to translate "# For Ubuntu/MythBuntu 10.10 the above complication process was necessary." to English |
| [18:31:58] | judget: | im thinking that i need to get ir control out of the myth-backend box |
| [18:32:37] | judget: | in other words some device out of the backend that communicates vis IR to the hdpvr |
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| [18:46:29] | sphery: | judget: you set up lirc to use any IR transmitter (such as the one on the hdpvr) to send an IR signal to the STB... no need to tell the hdpvr what channel it's on--it just encodes whatever video input it's given |
| [18:49:39] | wagnerrp: | sphery: well crysis is now currently unplayable |
| [18:49:50] | wagnerrp: | cant even run the program, it instantly crashes |
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| [18:53:35] | wagnerrp: | two reboots and new graphics drivers later... lets see if it runs better |
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| [19:12:24] | ** rafl wonders how to go about figuring out why attempting to scan for channels with this dvb-s2 card errors out with Error parsing parameters ** | |
| [19:12:54] | rafl: | i see a couple of users with at least the same error messages that were able to figure things out by applying a few patches back in 2008/2009 |
| [19:13:08] | rafl: | but apparently all of those are upstreamed by now |
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| [19:16:29] | rafl: | also, fwiw, i run into the issue for both the latest stable release as well as git master |
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| [19:30:02] | rafl: | another relevant data point might be the dvb card being a skystar hd 2, driven by the mantis driver in 2.6.38.4, and that w_scan seems to be able to scan for channels quite happily |
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| [19:52:13] | shihan: | howdy folks... im just curious if anyones seen a working settup with the amd 350m based board that have been coming out lately? |
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| [19:57:49] | wagnerrp: | those the fusion units? |
| [19:58:40] | shihan: | fusion? |
| [19:59:00] | wagnerrp: | amd fusion |
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| [20:00:20] | shihan: | hmmm... not sure, dont think so tho |
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| [20:00:56] | rafl: | in the DVB-S channel scanning dialogue, what's the unit the scanning frequency is expected in? |
| [20:01:19] | wagnerrp: | shihan: 1.something GHz, with integrated AMD video? |
| [20:02:11] | shihan: | yeah, that sounds about right.. mini-itx, atu 6310 onboard... |
| [20:02:47] | wagnerrp: | junk |
| [20:03:45] | shihan: | thats a pity... i've got one at the moment and been playing with myth on it for a week to no avail... |
| [20:04:34] | shihan: | but, its gunna replace an intel atom machine i have for other purposes |
| [20:04:55] | wagnerrp: | theyre both junk |
| [20:05:05] | Beirdo: | (for mythtv) |
| [20:05:09] | wagnerrp: | neither the Atom nor the Fusion processors have sufficient power for mythtv's needs |
| [20:05:28] | judget: | sphery ya I got that just rebuilding v4l / media_build becos for some reason i do not have the correct lirc for the hdpvr |
| [20:05:40] | wagnerrp: | and while the Atom has the ION platform, where it's paired with an nVidia chipset for video playback |
| [20:05:53] | wagnerrp: | mythtv does not support hardware decoding on AMD video hardware |
| [20:06:03] | shihan: | yeah, the atom i've never really like... this board tho has impressed me with almost everything else its done... |
| [20:07:17] | shihan: | heh, i've been tempted to get an atom ion for a front end now and then, but the intel d945gclf2 i've had really just isnt fantastic for anything so far |
| [20:08:42] | wagnerrp: | the ION and Fusion systems are at best an acceptable frontend |
| [20:08:55] | wagnerrp: | and the Fusion units will only be so at such time as MythTV gets VAAPI support |
| [20:09:09] | wagnerrp: | to be a 'good' frontend, you need enough CPU power to decode all your video in software |
| [20:09:13] | Beirdo: | which I think is getting more work hopefully soon |
| [20:09:23] | wagnerrp: | such that you have something to fall back on should hardware decoding fail for whatever reason |
| [20:12:05] | shihan: | so far i've not even got sd to run in workable state on the fusion one... never tried with my atom... the ion's are supposed to do hd, but the original atom i have just left a bad taste in my mouth... the fusion one so far has been quite interesting tho |
| [20:13:34] | shihan: | i would be tempted to throw an nvidia card on this little box and see how it went with vdpau, but i think that would be defeating the purpose somewhat |
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| [20:16:47] | wagnerrp: | an i3 makes a pretty decent low power frontend all on its own |
| [20:16:59] | shihan: | yeah, i have one of those actually |
| [20:17:41] | shihan: | though, so far the fusion board has been mind-bogglingly power friendly |
| [20:19:50] | wagnerrp: | this is for a dedicated frontend? |
| [20:22:58] | shihan: | not sure actually... i was just curious cause if i could get it to do hd, then i'll get another board to replace my current front end |
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| [20:28:13] | wagnerrp: | it could... if we supported VAAPI |
| [20:28:24] | wagnerrp: | and we could support VAAPI, if AMD supported Linux |
| [20:28:36] | shihan: | yeah... sad state of affairs really |
| [20:28:48] | Beirdo: | lots of "if"s :) |
| [20:30:18] | shihan: | its a pity too, cause it'd probably be a popular board for mythtv otherwise... the one i have is quite featurefull and i have yet to get it to pull more then 15w so far, and thats with 2 3.5" drives hanging off it |
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| [20:30:58] | Beirdo: | I sould buy a kill-a-watt so I can see how much electricity my machines are using |
| [20:31:01] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [20:31:13] | Beirdo: | not that it matters too much to me |
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| [20:33:13] | wagnerrp: | shihan: as mentioned, it would be an adequate board for mythtv |
| [20:33:22] | wagnerrp: | good requires the ability to decode in software |
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| [20:37:43] | shihan: | aust is about to go postal with carbon tax, so i've started to care a bit :D |
| [20:38:37] | wagnerrp: | if theyre for dedicated frontends, just turn them off while not in use |
| [20:38:58] | Beirdo: | and to save even more... turn off some lights when you leave the room |
| [20:39:07] | Beirdo: | especially if incandescent... |
| [20:40:08] | shihan: | well, in reality the one box that destroys my power bill is my backend, but thats a little over spec'd.. my 2 frontends are pretty decent with power really |
| [20:40:49] | wagnerrp: | what do you consider overspec'd |
| [20:41:20] | Beirdo: | heh, or the electric dryer... |
| [20:41:25] | shihan: | dual quad-core xeon i got given to me... its somewhat power hungry... |
| [20:42:35] | wagnerrp: | yeah, that might be a bit much |
| [20:42:36] | Beirdo: | oy, yeah, those belong in data centers |
| [20:43:15] | Beirdo: | nice to have the power though |
| [20:44:10] | shihan: | yeah, it was a nice box when i used to actually utilise it. |
| [20:45:14] | shihan: | anyways, well past my bed time, thanks for the info tho! |
| [20:45:33] | NewBuntu81: | Can firmware be a .bin (in addition to a .fw) file? |
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| [20:58:18] | Beirdo: | I can't believe some of the stupid reviews for the kill-a-watt devices |
| [20:58:44] | Beirdo: | like this one person who thinks it's worth it to unplug his entertainment unit... to save $11/year |
| [20:58:54] | kormoc: | "Device doesn't lower my power bill at all! Kill-a-watt my butt!" |
| [20:58:58] | Beirdo: | and he found this out with a $40 piece of equipment |
| [20:59:07] | xand: | I'm surprised it uses that much in standby |
| [20:59:12] | Beirdo: | way to go, buddy, you just wasted $30 |
| [20:59:28] | Elv13: | Hi, I have two problems with the lastest version of MythTV available in Ubuntu. The first one is that live-tv does not work anymore, logs talk about 0byte sized buffer. The TV cards work fine in TVTime and XawTV, so its not hardware. The second is that video play in reverse color. It work fine in VLC and MPlayer |
| [20:59:39] | Elv13: | so its really mythtv, not Ubuntu |
| [20:59:39] | kormoc: | xand, a large number of devices use the same on and off (cable boxes/satalite boxes are known to be this way) |
| [21:00:00] | Beirdo: | and oh, no! it costs 5–7cents to make a pot of coffee! |
| [21:01:30] | kormoc: | but but but... I'm not using electric! I'm just using the magic wall plug |
| [21:01:42] | Beirdo: | in PR, we fixed our bill... by turning off the AC, and not using an electric clothes dryer (hung the laundry in the garage) |
| [21:03:34] | Beirdo: | and that was only AC at night in the master bedroom |
| [21:04:19] | Beirdo: | but seriously, turning off ONE 100W bulb that you keep forgetting to shut off... will save as much/more as turning off your computer |
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| [21:05:19] | NewBuntu81: | wouldn't it be 2–3 bulbs? :-) |
| [21:05:25] | NewBuntu81: | 200–300 watt power supply... |
| [21:05:30] | Beirdo: | no |
| [21:05:40] | kormoc: | NewBuntu81, only if you're maxing out your power supply all the time |
| [21:05:41] | justinh: | no 200–300 watt PSU pulls that all the time |
| [21:05:54] | justinh: | unless it's broken :D |
| [21:05:59] | Beirdo: | be more like 1–2 bulbs for many computers |
| [21:06:13] | ** kormoc replaced all his bulbs with http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001WAL1O6 ** | |
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| [21:06:31] | Beirdo: | ../../libs/libmythtv/libmythtv-0.24.so: undefined reference to `has_altivec' |
| [21:06:34] | Beirdo: | ugh |
| [21:06:37] | justinh: | depends though. I used to keep a 2Ghz athlon powered on 24/7. really noticed a difference in my leccy bills when I started turning it off |
| [21:06:44] | Beirdo: | kormoc: yeah, a good idea |
| [21:06:45] | justinh: | rubbish PSU though |
| [21:06:47] | NewBuntu81: | yep, i did the same, kormoc...put in the CFL's |
| [21:06:55] | justinh: | I hate CFLs |
| [21:06:59] | kormoc: | I hate most CFL's so I never used them |
| [21:07:09] | justinh: | LED bulbs are ok though |
| [21:07:15] | kormoc: | those don't squeal and are instant on and bright full spectrum |
| [21:07:19] | kormoc: | took me forever to find |
| [21:07:24] | NewBuntu81: | when I lived in Texas, I put in a programmable thermostat and replaced all of my bulbs with CFL's, and saved at least 100$ a month. |
| [21:07:39] | justinh: | and *who* *cares* if incandescent lighting wastes energy? you get heat too :-) |
| [21:07:53] | kormoc: | justinh, during the hot summer? ;) |
| [21:08:06] | justinh: | I'm in the UK :D |
| [21:08:15] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [21:08:29] | NewBuntu81: | well isn't there a warm season in the UK? LOL |
| [21:08:41] | Beirdo: | it just means the baseboards have less work to to (I shut them off too) |
| [21:08:50] | justinh: | guy I used to work with, ran a 42" plasma, whoknows how many computers, and complained his room got too got, so he installed AC |
| [21:09:22] | justinh: | NewBuntu81: depends what you call warm. we peak out about 24 deg C |
| [21:09:40] | kormoc: | slightly chilly day |
| [21:09:58] | kormoc: | we peak out about 35C |
| [21:10:04] | justinh: | heheh |
| [21:10:18] | Beirdo: | thankfully rarely :) |
| [21:10:35] | justinh: | bugger. out of Jack Daniel's |
| [21:10:36] | NewBuntu81: | "irsend SEND_ONCE DC50X 1 |
| [21:10:36] | NewBuntu81: | irsend: command failed: SEND_ONCE DC50X 1 |
| [21:10:36] | NewBuntu81: | irsend: hardware does not support sending |
| [21:10:36] | NewBuntu81: | " Any tips to get my irblaster working? |
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| [21:10:51] | justinh: | NewBuntu81: yeah, use the right device |
| [21:11:11] | kormoc: | NewBuntu81, the whole "hardware does not support sending" should give you a clue... |
| [21:13:18] | NewBuntu81: | maybe i'm trying the wrong device. i have a pvr-150-mce combination blaster & receiver. |
| [21:13:21] | justinh: | darn these plain English error messages |
| [21:13:41] | justinh: | bring back the obscure codes! |
| [21:13:52] | NewBuntu81: | lol |
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| [21:14:56] | justinh: | tip – lirc device nodes aren't bidirectional |
| [21:15:07] | justinh: | so a receiver gets one, a blaster gets another |
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| [21:15:51] | NewBuntu81: | right |
| [21:15:56] | NewBuntu81: | i'm not seeing that the blaster loaded |
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| [21:16:11] | NewBuntu81: | that's what i'm trying to figure out. |
| [21:16:28] | NewBuntu81: | here's my dmesg for firmware and lirc. http://pastebin.com/LiTdmufZ |
| [21:17:06] | justinh: | did you enable blasting when you configured lirc? |
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| [21:18:51] | NewBuntu81: | yes, or i think so anyway. how can i check? |
| [21:19:06] | justinh: | look in /etc/lirc/hardware.conf |
| [21:19:45] | justinh: | when ubuntu lirc config wizardry works it's great. when it doesn't you're left high & dry |
| [21:20:05] | NewBuntu81: | i'm using Fedora. I dont have a hardware.conf file |
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| [21:20:52] | justinh: | so why the *buntu nick? |
| [21:20:52] | NewBuntu81: | I know...the name is confusing. :-) I first tried Mythbuntu 10.10 but found that Fedora 14 had drivers pre loaded for my HVR-2250 cards. My frontend computer is mythbuntu 10.10. I'm trying to set up ir blasting on the backend. |
| [21:21:15] | justinh: | dunno how you go about configuring lirc on fedora |
| [21:21:20] | NewBuntu81: | Just to confuse everyone and make them wonder...j/k. Right kormoc, sphery, and wagnerrp, and Beirdo? jk |
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| [21:21:35] | justinh: | but er.. changing distro just for the sake of a kernel module? |
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| [21:21:49] | NewBuntu81: | :-) |
| [21:22:45] | justinh: | Hmmm. Doctor Who was a bit MEH |
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| [21:23:44] | NewBuntu81: | the instructions i'm following say the firmware is named "haup-ir-blaster.bin" |
| [21:23:50] | NewBuntu81: | I thought firmwares had to be .fw? |
| [21:23:55] | NewBuntu81: | or can they be both? |
| [21:24:19] | justinh: | has to be whatever the module looks for :) |
| [21:24:23] | wagnerrp: | its a file, it will take whatever file name it thinks it wants |
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| [21:32:17] | justinh: | anyhoo, if your lirc transmitter device is there it should show up in /dev |
| [21:32:27] | justinh: | try ls -al /dev/ |grep lirc :-) |
| [21:33:40] | justinh: | chances are /dev/lirc0 is the receiver and /dev/lirc1 is the blaster. If it's even there |
| [21:34:14] | justinh: | using the -d option in irsend can help, but you can do away with the need for that in the lircd.conf I think |
| [21:34:38] | thwg2005: | how can I easily tell if/where commercial breaks have been detected? |
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| [21:35:44] | justinh: | play the recording, press E |
| [21:36:23] | thwg2005: | justinh: ok... now what? |
| [21:36:24] | justinh: | or if the theme you're using supports it, you should see an icon saying the recording has been flagged |
| [21:36:56] | thwg2005: | justinh: maybe a stupid question... do I have to wait for the recording to complete before it will flag commercials? |
| [21:37:01] | justinh: | and if you're in the UK, forget all about commflagging, generally |
| [21:37:07] | thwg2005: | I'm in the US |
| [21:37:32] | justinh: | dunno, I generally watch everything when it's done recording |
| [21:37:40] | wizbit: | http://trailers.apple.com/trailers/independent/trollhunter/&n bsp;:D |
| [21:37:49] | Beirdo: | justinh: we do want to do something about it |
| [21:38:08] | justinh: | Beirdo: I know, you just need lots of sample material, which is gonna be hard to get you |
| [21:38:15] | Beirdo: | aye :) |
| [21:38:33] | justinh: | Beirdo: it's actually not so bad since breaks don't seem to vary in length |
| [21:38:36] | Beirdo: | so unfortunately, the UK-based are kinda outta luck for now |
| [21:38:46] | Beirdo: | well that's cool |
| [21:38:56] | justinh: | ITV1 shows, typically 4 minutes dead |
| [21:39:26] | justinh: | so skipping a complete break is only a button away :) |
| [21:39:40] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [21:40:39] | justinh: | Beirdo: oh wait a sec.. it's only blimmin silence detection we'd be talking about.. so the recordings could be severely downsized |
| [21:41:21] | Beirdo: | well, the problem is... we don't process the audio to detect commercial breaks yet |
| [21:41:26] | Beirdo: | AFAIK |
| [21:41:27] | justinh: | though going back to the conversation the other day there's a bit of work. I need to plug my brain back in soon |
| [21:41:35] | justinh: | Beirdo: nah, there's no means to do that yet |
| [21:42:05] | Beirdo: | if we did, then we could also detect average volume increase in commercials in the US too (stupid compressed audio) |
| [21:42:23] | thwg2005: | Beirdo: do I have to wait for program to complete recording before commercials will be flagged? |
| [21:42:26] | justinh: | I think it was kormoc who gave me the hint to look in mythtranscode to see how audio stuff works in there |
| [21:42:42] | Beirdo: | thwg2005: there's a setting to do it while it records, but I don't use it |
| [21:43:01] | thwg2005: | Beirdo: because it doesn't work? or b/c it's too intensive? |
| [21:43:06] | justinh: | thwg2005: to the best of my knowledge, you don't have to wait for every method, but some methods are definitely only going to work post recording |
| [21:43:24] | Beirdo: | because I don't need it. I watch recordings usually weeks after they are recorded |
| [21:43:41] | thwg2005: | justinh: I think 'all' methods are enabled by default... maybe that's the issue |
| [21:43:48] | Beirdo: | I record far more than I can watch on an average day |
| [21:44:22] | justinh: | just out of interest how much do breaks vary in the USA? |
| [21:44:39] | Beirdo: | totally depends on the station/netwrok |
| [21:45:03] | Beirdo: | some are quite predictable in location and length. Some aren't |
| [21:45:34] | justinh: | last time I watched US TV, there were ads before the show started, then the intro, then ads, then the titles, then ads.. |
| [21:45:36] | NewBuntu81: | justinh: thanks. the command shows a couple lirc devices. ls -al /dev/ |grep lirc |
| [21:45:36] | NewBuntu81: | crw------- 1 root root 250, 0 May 7 13:17 lirc0 |
| [21:45:36] | NewBuntu81: | srw-rw-rw- 1 root root 0 May 7 17:42 lircd1 |
| [21:45:53] | Beirdo: | length is universally a multiple of 30s (usually of 60s) though |
| [21:46:40] | justinh: | NewBuntu81: I think one of those is the socket, not a blaster device |
| [21:46:58] | Beirdo: | might be SOME oddball 45s spots, but 30s seems to be the norm |
| [21:48:32] | justinh: | hmm maybe I've got lirc all wrong |
| [21:48:56] | NewBuntu81: | i'm thinking maybe i should try reinstalling it from the beginning...lirc i mean |
| [21:49:28] | justinh: | reinstalling won't necessarily solve anything :-) |
| [21:51:03] | NewBuntu81: | brb |
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| [21:51:09] | justinh: | heh I don't get this. My hardware.conf file says my blaster is /dev/lirc1 but there *is* no lirc1 LOL |
| [21:53:10] | justinh: | oh wth.. it works. Muhahaha |
| [21:54:04] | justinh: | I mean it works, when my son hasn't pulled the blaster wiring all to hell :D |
| [21:59:37] | Beirdo: | hehe |
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| [22:01:54] | justinh: | have to go on the hunt for new small tables for the livingroom. the edges on the current ones are er.. sharp :-( |
| [22:03:27] | Beirdo: | he'll only bash his brains out so many times |
| [22:03:31] | Beirdo: | we all did |
| [22:03:31] | Elv13: | is there a kernel for Ubuntu that have OSS or how to I get rid of OSS in mythtv? I upgraded from older version |
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| [22:07:57] | wagnerrp: | why would you need to get rid of OSS? |
| [22:08:33] | Elv13: | Because *** at Canonical removed it and ignore any bugs about it |
| [22:09:02] | Elv13: | only custom kernel still have it, but the rest of the stack is broken too |
| [22:09:04] | justinh: | OMG! THE PERFECT MYTHTV FRONTEND! http://www.raspberrypi.org/ |
| [22:09:30] | wagnerrp: | Elv13: so just use alsa instead? |
| [22:10:53] | clever: | justinh: 128mb of ram is going to be hard |
| [22:11:07] | clever: | i saw it yesterday and was thinking the same thing:P |
| [22:11:12] | Elv13: | wagnerrp: the question is "how" |
| [22:11:36] | clever: | if you can make up for the lack of ram, you could velcro it to the tv |
| [22:12:15] | clever: | although it might make a perfect slave backend for usb capture cards |
| [22:12:24] | justinh: | maybe they could do a version with enough ram to be useful :P |
| [22:12:30] | wagnerrp: | Elv13: there is no how, configure will decide what you have and compile accordingly |
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| [22:13:59] | Elv13: | wagnerrp: I use mythbuntu for the backend server, is there a way without recompiling, the poor P4 had its year of Gentoo, it doesn't want to compile anymore "P |
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| [22:14:30] | wagnerrp: | a dedicated backend does not need OSS for anything |
| [22:14:39] | wagnerrp: | since it does not output audio |
| [22:14:54] | wagnerrp: | and before you say you need it for capture off your framegrabbers... you need to replace those framegrabbers with proper cards |
| [22:14:54] | wagnerrp: | :) |
| [22:15:01] | Elv13: | the tvcards need OSS |
| [22:15:57] | kormoc: | the v4l alsa drivers don't work? |
| [22:16:11] | justinh: | pfft. the article surrounding that 'computer' is prattling on about how it might help save the UK gaming industry. Yeah, but maybe it'd help if companies outsourced less & paid better wages |
| [22:16:28] | Elv13: | my stupid card use the onboard audio via a link cable |
| [22:16:39] | kormoc: | so? |
| [22:16:53] | Elv13: | it need /dev/dsp to bridge |
| [22:16:54] | kormoc: | alsa should still handle everything you need |
| [22:17:00] | kormoc: | ... okay... |
| [22:17:01] | Elv13: | it doe snot |
| [22:17:24] | kormoc: | I honestly think you just never configured it, but I'm not going to argue with you |
| [22:17:47] | Beirdo: | OK, that should fix linux-ppc compiling for now |
| [22:19:00] | Elv13: | kormoc: it worked until I upgraded, if there is something I can do to fix this, please tell me |
| [22:21:11] | rafl: | is there a way to configure the umask for a backend to use when creating files in one of the configured storage directories? |
| [22:21:11] | rafl: | i happen to sometimes have the frontend and the backend running on the same machine, but as different users, and the default umask the backend uses will only allow the user the backend is running as to read |
| [22:25:42] | Elv13: | So I installed a kernel with OSS support for the saa7134 audio bridge. I now have /dev/sdp, but I still can play live tv, the error is now |
| [22:25:44] | Elv13: | 2011-05–07 18:24:31.214 NVR(/dev/video1): Unknown video codec. Please go into the TV Settings, Recording Profiles and setup the four 'Software Encoders' profiles. Assuming RTjpeg for now. |
| [22:25:45] | Elv13: | 2011-05–07 18:24:31.268 NVR(/dev/video1) Error: Unknown audio codec |
| [22:25:57] | Elv13: | not much better |
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| [22:58:24] | wagnerrp: | Elv13: your issue would be resolved by purchasing a better tuner card |
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