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| [00:01:16] | high-rez: | iamlindoro: In commit 88940ccdaf406bc624e6dd0741d30afc94a0bfa8 i see you mention HDMV menus. Should these be working in head by default ? |
| [00:01:50] | iamlindoro: | No. They are not meant for public consumption yet. I am 99% certain I have had this conversation with you, too |
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| [00:04:28] | high-rez: | iamlindoro: I believe I had asked about them in a different year. ;) |
| [00:05:19] | iamlindoro: | I recall thinking that you needed to relax then, too |
| [00:05:25] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: so... any suggestion on how to filter merges? or should i just disable that for now? |
| [00:05:29] | iamlindoro: | so. Relax. |
| [00:05:50] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: for the trac integration? |
| [00:05:55] | wagnerrp: | yeah |
| [00:06:04] | Beirdo: | You might just wanna do master and -fixes? |
| [00:06:08] | wagnerrp: | just changed that earlier today, intentionally |
| [00:06:11] | Beirdo: | oooh |
| [00:06:14] | wagnerrp: | it /was/ only for master and fixes |
| [00:06:26] | Beirdo: | heh, printing which branch is nice |
| [00:06:34] | wagnerrp: | but i decided to allow reference messages for other branches (no milestone or closing, just reference) |
| [00:06:35] | high-rez: | I'm relaxed. I don't recall jumping up and down or anything of that nature. I asked a question. I did so, even, in a relaxed way. You exclamations, or even abuse of bold text. Seriously man, I'm relaxed. ;) |
| [00:06:44] | wagnerrp: | but if thats going to show up on every merge, its not worth it |
| [00:06:55] | Beirdo: | ahh. yeah, it's... unfortunate |
| [00:07:08] | Beirdo: | unless you have a way to say "hey, I saw this before" |
| [00:07:35] | wagnerrp: | where are the json logs? |
| [00:07:58] | Beirdo: | in /tmp, forget the name, but it's fairly obviousl |
| [00:08:28] | lwizardl: | ok |
| [00:10:10] | lwizardl: | I don't know if it removed that post or not |
| [00:12:59] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: i could start storing commit hashes |
| [00:13:57] | Beirdo: | it might help reduce it. That's what I did in the email one (really simple mysql table, IIRC) |
| [00:14:17] | Beirdo: | SHA1+repository |
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| [00:39:16] | lwizardl: | anyone here done a "whole house" style setup for a/v ? |
| [00:39:33] | wagnerrp: | i have multiple frontends, if that counts |
| [00:40:06] | high-rez: | ditto here |
| [00:40:28] | lwizardl: | well what I was looking at doing was feed my audio from one room (office) into the kitchen, hall, living room, bathroom |
| [00:40:40] | lwizardl: | so multi-zones I guess it would be called |
| [00:41:24] | high-rez: | i think what you want is an amplifier with multiple zones then (mine has two extra zones) |
| [00:42:17] | lwizardl: | high-rez, yeah my receiver has support for 2 zones and I can shut them off with a button on the remote |
| [00:42:54] | lwizardl: | but I was looking at maybe wiring all the rooms into a distribution type box and then feed that into zone 2 on my receiver |
| [00:43:06] | lwizardl: | but not sure if that would overload the receiver |
| [00:43:31] | high-rez: | That would not be smart |
| [00:43:34] | high-rez: | Well, it could be |
| [00:43:50] | high-rez: | But you change the resistance across the circuit |
| [00:44:14] | wagnerrp: | ill change your resistance across the circuit |
| [00:44:38] | Beirdo: | hey, no throwing scraps of metal on the circuit! |
| [00:44:41] | high-rez: | Most amps really only want 8 ohms of impedance. better amps will do 4–6 or even lower. |
| [00:45:13] | lwizardl: | I think my amp states that it handles from 4–8ohms |
| [00:45:19] | lwizardl: | Denon brand |
| [00:45:22] | Beirdo: | I think I shall go home |
| [00:45:30] | high-rez: | But, if you budgeted it right, you could probably get away with anything. That said, I'd get a cheap power amp to do what you want. |
| [00:46:21] | jpabq: | taylorr, I have the new video card installed. I will leave it in my mythfrontend system for a day or so, to see if it eliminates the non-on-the-hour-pauses — but there is not way it is going to stay in that machine because it is WAY to loud. |
| [00:46:57] | lwizardl: | high-rez, yeah I was looking at these types of amps http://cgi.ebay.com/Audio-Authority-985u-Univ . . . em3a6597979a would this be an ok idea or should I look for something else |
| [00:47:47] | high-rez: | Thats certainly not what you want. |
| [00:48:13] | high-rez: | Thats looks like for distribution from line balanced to muliple power amplifiers or receivers. |
| [00:48:47] | high-rez: | Like for a bestbuy type showroom |
| [00:48:55] | lwizardl: | yeah |
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| [01:15:26] | taylorr: | jpabq: sorry to hear the fan is too loud |
| [01:16:28] | taylorr: | jpabq: I still think that there might be something interrupting the UI thread and now that playback uses the UI thread we see pauses |
| [01:16:49] | taylorr: | you don't use mythweather do you? |
| [01:17:10] | jpabq: | taylorr, I hope that is it. Cause I can't put up with the drone that card puts out. |
| [01:17:19] | jpabq: | No, I don't have mythweather installed. |
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| [01:21:15] | taylorr: | jpabq: I just got my new GT220 with fan and it didn't seem to make much noise at all, but my hearing is pretty bad |
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| [01:22:03] | Beirdo^2: | So. Circuit boards being made. 2 week turnaround |
| [01:22:14] | jpabq: | I read user reviews looking for ones that people said were quiet. I guess my definition of quiet is different from some other people. |
| [01:24:11] | sphery: | I'm sure mine (just like taylorr's) won't cause much noise in my viewing room (since my frontend is in a different room with a cable through the wall :) |
| [01:24:44] | sphery: | I need to get that installed so I can play with it (and try out vdpau and opengl renderer and such just to see what all the hub-bub is about) |
| [01:26:25] | sphery: | why are all the users saying that their systems are switching from VDPAU-whatever playback profile to CPU+ |
| [01:26:32] | Beirdo^2: | Shoulda bought an ion box. Hehe |
| [01:26:43] | sphery: | I think all the users are creating new hostname entries, and all their settings are getting reset to defaults |
| [01:26:59] | Beirdo^2: | Probably |
| [01:27:04] | sphery: | or maybe they're doing something stupid like a partial restore and not realizing that it totally destroys their settings |
| [01:27:14] | sphery: | (and every other bit of configuration) |
| [01:27:42] | Beirdo^2: | In which case... forget them... |
| [01:27:59] | wagnerrp: | oh no! hes multiplying! |
| [01:28:39] | jpabq: | taylorr, sphery, you will have to tell me how hot your cards run. It is possible, that mine is so loud because it is running the fan too much compared to the temp. |
| [01:29:43] | jpabq: | wagnerrp, who? Beirdo^2^2 ? ;-) |
| [01:29:52] | sphery: | maybe tomorrow I'll update my 0.24-fixes install on my production systems, and install the GT220, and then I can give you some info tomorro |
| [01:29:54] | Beirdo^2: | Mine was 69C the other day during playback I think |
| [01:30:11] | Beirdo^2: | Hehe. I'm on the bus on the way home |
| [01:30:23] | jpabq: | That is what my new card is running. My fanless card gets up to 90 |
| [01:31:00] | sphery: | if Beirdo^2 is Beirdo-squared, does that mean that our usual Beirdo isn't square? if so, that's news to me |
| [01:31:12] | jpabq: | Beirdo^2, your buses have WiFi? they are just starting to do that here. |
| [01:31:27] | Beirdo^2: | Hehe. More rounded than square |
| [01:32:27] | sphery: | I think he's using iPhone with <some number of>G (however much AT&T provides there) |
| [01:32:30] | Beirdo^2: | 3G. Some of the longer runs have wifi though |
| [01:32:59] | Beirdo^2: | Nexus one. Not iPhone :) |
| [01:33:08] | sphery: | ah, cool |
| [01:33:13] | sphery: | used to have an iphone, right? |
| [01:33:58] | Beirdo^2: | Yeah its my alarm clock now |
| [01:34:46] | sphery: | heh |
| [01:34:47] | Beirdo^2: | It got demoted |
| [01:35:01] | sphery: | news seems to indicate that it's a very bad choice of device for an alarm clock :) |
| [01:35:10] | sphery: | at least when DST comes or goes |
| [01:36:49] | Beirdo^2: | Hehe. Good thing that's on Sundays |
| [01:36:59] | sphery: | heh, true |
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| [01:43:33] | Beirdo: | OK, home |
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| [02:40:33] | jpabq: | taylorr, I still get the pauses with the new video card. I am going to yank it out. |
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| [02:42:48] | taylorr: | jpabq: ok, sorry to hear that |
| [02:43:30] | jpabq: | I hope you are right in your diagnoses, because that is the first step in a solution ;-) |
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| [02:52:49] | sphery: | heh, tonight's community is going to be good |
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| [03:21:07] | wagnerrp: | GAH! |
| [03:21:28] | wagnerrp: | "playback on my mythtv 0.20 machine is choppy, please help" |
| [03:21:41] | [R]: | HAHA |
| [03:21:43] | sphery: | wow |
| [03:21:49] | [R]: | maybe its like that movie |
| [03:21:52] | [R]: | where he was frozen |
| [03:22:00] | sphery: | you'd think he'd realize that 0.18.1 was the only stable release |
| [03:22:01] | [R]: | and then woke up years later |
| [03:22:18] | sphery: | after all, it's what fmu swears by |
| [03:22:52] | wagnerrp: | im not even sure if i was using mythtv back on 0.18.1 |
| [03:23:01] | wagnerrp: | that long ago, its all blurry |
| [03:23:16] | sphery: | I think that was the 2006 era or so |
| [03:23:33] | sphery: | it was when we switched from tv_grab_na to schedules direct |
| [03:23:35] | wagnerrp: | yeah, i started some time mid 2006 |
| [03:23:41] | sphery: | 0.18.1 was the schedules direct release |
| [03:23:47] | wagnerrp: | no, schedules direct was 0.20.2 |
| [03:24:03] | wagnerrp: | 0.18.1 may have been the conversion from xmltv tv_grab_na to zap2it |
| [03:24:10] | sphery: | yeah, datadirect labs |
| [03:24:11] | sphery: | whatever |
| [03:24:19] | sphery: | er, zap2it labs datadirect |
| [03:24:34] | wagnerrp: | well i started with internal data direct support |
| [03:24:41] | wagnerrp: | i dont recall ever having to use the xmltv stuff |
| [03:24:48] | sphery: | lucky you |
| [03:25:18] | wagnerrp: | perhaps |
| [03:25:21] | sphery: | I have simpsons episodes that I recorded pre-datadirect re-recording in syndication because the old xmltv ones didn't have programids |
| [03:25:26] | wagnerrp: | the IVTV stuff was painful enough back then |
| [03:25:36] | sphery: | annoying part is I can't just delete them--no matter how hard I try, I end up re-watching them |
| [03:26:45] | sphery: | oh, and FWIW, might want to hold off on Community... it's a 2-part episode with part 2 next week :( |
| [03:27:13] | sphery: | at least it was good enough I won't mind re-watching it next week |
| [03:27:14] | wagnerrp: | im behind most of a season |
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| [03:39:39] | thwg2005: | hey – new to mythtv and having issues with a FE/BE combo – frontend whines that it can't connect to backend |
| [03:39:57] | thwg2005: | I've configured backend on 127.0.0.1; what else should I check? thanks |
| [03:48:16] | sphery: | thwg2005: I highly recommend configuring all your systems to use real, routable IP addresses, so that you can expand the system as desired in the future |
| [03:48:42] | thwg2005: | sphery: thanks for the advice; I just realized it's an issue with my capture card & backed can't start |
| [03:48:49] | sphery: | that said, make sure in mythtv-setup, whatever IP address you put for the master backend IP address is the same address you put for this backend IP address |
| [03:48:52] | thwg2005: | sphery: I'll try to fix this before asking further questions |
| [03:49:11] | sphery: | and, then make sure your backend is running... but you already found that :) |
| [03:49:46] | sphery: | wagnerrp: now even the people asking the question are faster than me |
| [03:50:33] | wagnerrp: | fragile – glass: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxX1kA-nhZk |
| [03:54:52] | sphery: | heh, "The Adobe Flash plugin has crashed. No report available. Reload the page to try again." |
| [03:55:59] | sphery: | OK, so, on the suggestions when I watched your amazing box, were a series of "Horrific accident" videos... I'm finding them very funny. |
| [03:56:44] | sphery: | http://www.youtube.com/user/TedCrusty has the series |
| [04:06:54] | thwg2005: | okay... can someone help me begin troubleshooting getting my hvr-1600 working so the backend can start? |
| [04:06:59] | thwg2005: | I'm using it only for digital |
| [04:08:22] | thwg2005: | trying to start backend, I see: Could not get inputs for the capturecard & Opening DVB frontend device failed |
| [04:10:38] | sphery: | thwg2005: have you done all of mythtv-setup configuration |
| [04:10:49] | sphery: | including capture card, video source, and input connections |
| [04:12:31] | thwg2005: | sphery: what card type should I select for OTA digital only? |
| [04:13:50] | sphery: | DVB DTV capture card (v3.x) |
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| [04:15:21] | thwg2005: | sphery: ok... right there... |
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| [04:34:24] | thwg2005: | sphery: progress... I have a picture but no audio |
| [04:34:36] | sphery: | heh, good |
| [04:34:52] | sphery: | for your audio output device, make sure you scan for devices, then select one |
| [04:35:00] | sphery: | and for mixer device, use ALSA:default |
| [04:36:43] | thwg2005: | sphery: okay; thanks |
| [04:36:58] | thwg2005: | weird that my capture card doesn't pick up all the channels that my tv tuner does... |
| [05:01:36] | thwg2005: | so I'm wanting to use nvidia hdmi out for audio (along with the video) |
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| [05:02:32] | thwg2005: | output device reads: ALSA:plughw:CARD=NVidia,DEV=3 & ...,DEV=7 & ...,DEV=8 & ...,DEV=9 |
| [05:02:34] | thwg2005: | what does that mean? |
| [05:07:46] | sphery: | wagnerrp: I'm thinking he has to be one something other than 0.20... he mentions hdhr--we didn't have support for that 'til 0.21 or later, right? |
| [05:08:29] | wagnerrp: | wiki says 0.20 |
| [05:08:43] | sphery: | thwg2005: it's different outputs available on your card... if this is an atom box, I have a feeling it's dev 3 you want |
| [05:08:59] | sphery: | wow, thought it was later than that |
| [05:09:41] | sphery: | so maybe he is just stuck on Sep 11, 2006 |
| [05:10:16] | sphery: | but, hey, not like 5 years is enough time to make any useful progress in development of software |
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| [05:18:08] | thwg2005: | sphery: any log for feedback on this audio issue? |
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| [06:32:30] | thwg2005: | so I have one channel that comes in perfectly clear on my tv tuner but mythtv can't pick it up... is this more a function of my tuner card? |
| [06:33:14] | [R]: | what do you mean "pick it up" |
| [06:33:22] | [R]: | how do you know it comes in cler? |
| [06:33:54] | thwg2005: | I can clearly see/hear the channel when directly connected to my tv's tuner |
| [06:34:03] | thwg2005: | when scanning with mythtv, it fails to lock on |
| [06:34:50] | [R]: | oh, tv tuner... lol |
| [06:34:53] | [R]: | thwg2005: analog? |
| [06:34:56] | thwg2005: | digital |
| [06:35:10] | [R]: | ota or cable? |
| [06:35:13] | thwg2005: | ota |
| [06:35:26] | [R]: | weird |
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| [06:41:07] | thwg2005: | sucks... I really thought this antenna was going to work well |
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| [06:49:36] | Beirdo: | every fart begins with F |
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| [06:56:44] | justinh: | thwg2005: not all tuners are created equal :P |
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| [06:57:40] | thwg2005: | justinh: yeah... just never dreamed my TV's would be so much better... sucks |
| [06:58:11] | wagnerrp: | for whatever reason, PC tuners have never been as sensitive as ones in TVs |
| [06:58:33] | Beirdo: | maybe the high frequency crap all around them? |
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| [06:59:08] | thwg2005: | Beirdo: yeah... is there a way to get any kind of measurement of signal strength at a given channel/freq? |
| [06:59:24] | Beirdo: | totally depends on the card and the drivers |
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| [08:13:36] | justinh: | you can't rely on measurements taken from the tuner itself.. you'd really need proper test gear I reckon (now) |
| [08:18:25] | justinh: | if a PCI card is designed & made properly the HF noise inside the case shouldn't be much of an issue. be interesting to get a 'scope on one to see though |
| [08:19:02] | justinh: | ooo then I remember the company I work for has its own EMC test facility |
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| [10:37:12] | ugliefrog: | anyone using xbmc addon mythbox....if so are you able to watch live tv |
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| [11:47:19] | dewman: | when i delete a recording via mythweb,does it delete the recording? or does it remove it from mythweb and mark the recording to be expired? |
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| [12:02:18] | justinh: | AFAIK it should perform whatever operation you've set mythtv to prefer – i.e. delete or set to expire |
| [12:02:37] | dewman: | thanks |
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| [12:44:42] | justinh: | sigh. we're doing another crazy HDMI connection scheme & not testing it properly with actual test gear. again |
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| [12:51:09] | justinh: | wait, it's actually not that crazy. At least this time we're using twisted pair cable |
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| [13:47:31] | skd5aner: | Does Steve Adeffs from the -users ML hang out in here, anyone know? |
| [13:52:30] | justinh: | never seen him here |
| [13:54:25] | skd5aner: | hmm, was going to suggest someone still submit a bug report for this problem – http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/479334 |
| [13:54:40] | skd5aner: | yea, mythmusic is "undergoing" a re-write, but who knows when that will actually be done |
| [13:54:44] | skd5aner: | a bug is still a bug |
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| [13:58:33] | justinh: | yup |
| [13:58:51] | justinh: | I don't think I've heard anything about the 'rewrite' for a while now |
| [13:59:14] | justinh: | seems the only people willing to do stuff don't have unlimited free time :-) |
| [14:00:52] | skd5aner: | Well, the two people I thought were working on it (paulh and stuartm?) haven't necessarily been excited to work on mythtv recently – from what I can see |
| [14:01:24] | justinh: | who can blame them? |
| [14:02:07] | skd5aner: | heh – yea... the ugly side of open source projects |
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| [14:03:04] | skd5aner: | design by committe with no REAL leadership to say how things need to happen |
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| [14:03:51] | justinh: | I was thinking more about the demotivating uninspiring comments people make as asides which eventually eat into one's motivation |
| [14:04:13] | justinh: | haven't personally run into many political issues |
| [14:04:57] | justinh: | anyway how is a project to keep its keenest contributors motivated if somebody is trying to convince them to work on stuff they're not interested in? |
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| [14:11:48] | skd5aner: | Just from playing the casual observer on occassions, seems like some devs are getting pissed that they can't do anything without someone coming in and saying they have a better idea, but don't necessarily contribute |
| [14:12:20] | skd5aner: | or worse... that they don't have a better idea, but simply don't like the other dev's idea enough to support it |
| [14:12:56] | justinh: | I've managed to get myself into a couple of dead ends trying to get moving on ideas & ending up 2nd guessing how to 'do it properly' – making the task much harder & having to drop it |
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| [14:13:36] | justinh: | I think it's time to drop the Qt painter :-) |
| [14:13:45] | skd5aner: | that said... I do think some folks tend to focus way to much on the negative and really fear feedback and opinion – and they let that impact their pysche to the point that it causes them too much concern/anger/bitterness, etc |
| [14:14:01] | justinh: | that'd be me |
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| [14:14:40] | justinh: | never used to matter how many people donated to my paypal & personally emailed me to say nice work. if one out of those 10 emails was critical.. oooo boy |
| [14:14:55] | justinh: | mind, the critical ones were usually from a psycho |
| [14:15:19] | skd5aner: | justinh: heh – in a sense, I'm one of those kind of people who really does care what other people say "good and bad" – but what keeps me up at night is when I somehow upset someone to the point that they're frustrated or mad at me – that can often be my vice – I like to make and keep people happy (at me at least) |
| [14:15:49] | justinh: | there's just no pleasing some people, and that can keep other people up at night ;) |
| [14:15:57] | justinh: | so she said :D |
| [14:16:33] | skd5aner: | yea – I was one of the positive ones who reached out to you – don't think I hardly ever did that to other contributors of mythtv, but it was around the time when you were like "f' it, I'm done" and I was like NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!! |
| [14:17:05] | justinh: | as for there being an entry bar to mythtv development – there used to be at least the ghost of a one – then the climate changed... and it was all good.. and then git came |
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| [14:17:37] | justinh: | I dunno, maybe i'm just scared of it for no reason. I used to be scared witless of svn |
| [14:17:59] | justinh: | ah, the first commit sweat.. you never forget the first commit |
| [14:18:06] | skd5aner: | yea – git is probably awesome, and some people really love it... and it probably is the "right" tool for some projects |
| [14:18:24] | justinh: | it's just.. strings of hex numbers for versions.. arghhh |
| [14:18:45] | justinh: | sure, it makes sense to have a unique ID for every change.. but erm... |
| [14:18:51] | skd5aner: | I'm not in a position to judge it's usefullness to MythTV – although I really hate git's hash number versioning system – like that means anything to me as a human |
| [14:19:03] | skd5aner: | lol – said the same thing |
| [14:19:20] | justinh: | oh, you need #abcf88efdfac757876378324abbecdfedca56635416378 |
| [14:19:43] | justinh: | why not just make it binary & have done with it? :-P |
| [14:19:46] | skd5aner: | yea, but that was after #635234ad3453699cda |
| [14:20:16] | justinh: | skd5aner: so what you're saying is, mythtv should have a coup? |
| [14:20:18] | ** justinh hides ** | |
| [14:20:25] | skd5aner: | when I was doing the release notes, it was so dang easy to simply type {{changeset|#####}} |
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| [14:21:13] | skd5aner: | actually, kind of the opposite – who is there to overthrow? MythTV needs focus and leadership and direction |
| [14:21:16] | justinh: | I got kinda bitter that nobody got around to adding me to the 'developers' list, which wound up being a cyclical thing eventually |
| [14:21:17] | ** skd5aner hides too ** | |
| [14:21:19] | ** lyricnz discovers the remote interface in mythweb. Cool. ** | |
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| [14:22:55] | skd5aner: | Someone needs to step in and say "we are releasing on date X – between now and then, we must re-write mythmusic and create a web based setup – everything else is secondary unless marked high or urgent priority" – etc |
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| [14:23:21] | skd5aner: | but hey, I come from an environment where heirarchy is king, so... just what I'm used to seeing work |
| [14:23:46] | justinh: | nah, I think if it's not ready it's not ready |
| [14:24:05] | justinh: | I think there are always goals it'd be 'nice' to have in a release but if it's not showtime, it's not showtime |
| [14:24:50] | skd5aner: | Although it's extremely tough to argue and criticize, I've thought that the concept of "for developers by developers" has kind of sucked – and I know that's shifted and not quite the message anymore, but devs still only work on what they personally see as their own priority for the most part – not usually much of a central focus |
| [14:25:17] | justinh: | like if somebody'd turned around to me & said "hey, great mythui rotation effect – you've got a fortnight to make it work on all painters the same way" I'd just have said "pff" and run off |
| [14:25:55] | skd5aner: | justinh: agreed – but that doesn't mean that you aim wonderlessly (remember 0.20's dev timeframe?) and constnatly saying "1 more month" and you'll end up like duke nukem forever |
| [14:25:59] | justinh: | but the minute you start dictating what folks work on, will be when more people are tempted to leave alone |
| [14:26:12] | skd5aner: | "it's done when it's done" – well by that point all the work you put into it 12 months ago is now stale |
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| [14:26:34] | justinh: | oh I dunno. the web setup stuff is way more than a step change |
| [14:27:39] | skd5aner: | Well, how do projects like asterisk work? It seems to me they focus on what the customer's needs/wants are the most (and stability) – because they have to compete in a sense – and they focus on specific deliverables for each release |
| [14:28:02] | lyricnz: | hahahah, mythtv doesn't care about it's users! :) |
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| [14:28:44] | skd5aner: | I may be coming off a bit too literal – I think the workflow of some of the devs is great! problem is – it's everyone to themselves for the most part |
| [14:29:01] | justinh: | so, I'm asking how you persuade people to be less selfish |
| [14:29:03] | skd5aner: | not really much accountability I guess? |
| [14:29:24] | sphery: | skd5aner: the hard thing about leaving git is getting all the code + changes since git switch into SVN |
| [14:29:30] | skd5aner: | how? hell if I know – I'm just a critic! :D |
| [14:29:55] | sphery: | if someone figured that out (and especially if they were willing to help do it), switching back might be possible |
| [14:29:56] | justinh: | skd5aner: cos it ain't kudos we're in this for. sheesh :) |
| [14:30:04] | skd5aner: | sphery: if mythtv wants to stay on git (for whatever reason) – I have no problem with that – I'm not making fun of mythtv for adopting git, I'm just making fun of git itself :) |
| [14:30:05] | sphery: | and all the scripts that claim to support it don't work well |
| [14:30:12] | justinh: | switching back? :-O |
| [14:30:16] | sphery: | yeah, just saying |
| [14:30:27] | justinh: | heh |
| [14:30:59] | skd5aner: | fair enough – I hope I didn't come off as one of those git haters – I don't even know why/how git came up |
| [14:31:05] | lyricnz: | a bunch of oss projects are moving from cvs or svn to git... |
| [14:31:05] | justinh: | my fault :) |
| [14:31:16] | lyricnz: | drupal just did it |
| [14:31:27] | justinh: | loads of outfits seem to be switching, and I can't see any attraction |
| [14:31:32] | skd5aner: | k – got a meeting to dial in to, I'll be back |
| [14:31:51] | justinh: | ooo look – 32 character hex codes as commit IDs.. woot! |
| [14:32:13] | skd5aner: | yea – I do actually /hate/ that |
| [14:32:20] | lyricnz: | yeah, me too |
| [14:32:42] | skd5aner: | makes updating the release notes, uh... not very fun |
| [14:33:08] | justinh: | what – you mean you can't remember the strings as easily as a four digit number? what are you – some kind of illiterate? ;-) |
| [14:33:55] | skd5aner: | justinh: so... how to motivate... I would say making a product people love to use, aren't confused by, and better than everything else... and working on the weak links so that there aren't points that are AWESOME right next to parts that have been the same 5 years |
| [14:33:57] | justinh: | anyway, whatever the cause is, it just looks to me as if God passed down the word, and everybody obeyed |
| [14:34:57] | justinh: | it's a bit more complicated than that though. fixing some of the sucky stuff generally involves a) stamping on somebody's foot b) ripping massive sections out & redoing them from scratch |
| [14:36:34] | justinh: | like er.. you know how you can't dynamically resize mythfrontend? ;-) |
| [14:37:51] | justinh: | whoah. are these ohloh.net stats anything like real? over 2 million lines?! :-O |
| [14:38:48] | justinh: | oh wait.. that's not current lines.. but an indicator of change |
| [14:45:11] | justinh: | heh the VDPAU painter has been dropped? |
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| [14:55:49] | skd5aner: | yup |
| [15:02:15] | justinh: | LOL http://code.mythtv.org/trac/attachment/ticket . . . ur_eyes.diff |
| [15:03:16] | justinh: | oh I dunno, people scratching their own itches or not, that changelog is darn good readin |
| [15:03:34] | justinh: | esp. when you consider how many people are making the commits :) |
| [15:04:29] | wagnerrp: | justinh: took me about four months to get put on the list |
| [15:04:42] | justinh: | I somehow can't see Mark making the vaapi changes just for squits & giggles, personally |
| [15:05:15] | justinh: | I gave up wanting to be on the list & realised it was probably for the best :) |
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| [15:34:25] | skd5aner: | justinh: which changelog? |
| [15:35:22] | wagnerrp: | the one for that ticket |
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| [16:19:37] | sphery: | wagnerrp: wow, surprised you weren't the first to reply to [mythtv-users] OtherOS: Linux on PS3 with direct hardware access |
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| [16:23:36] | wagnerrp: | well excuse me, i havent checked email in the last half hour while it collected six other replies |
| [16:23:51] | wagnerrp: | i dont think ive seen another thread grow so fast |
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| [16:24:50] | sphery: | heh |
| [16:24:59] | thwg2005: | looking for some help... today I am unable to watch live tv b/c of "error opening jump program file buffer" – this happens immediately when I select 'watch tv' |
| [16:25:11] | sphery: | other than the super-transcoder part, though, the replies seem to be basically what you've been telling the list |
| [16:25:26] | thwg2005: | I found the bug – seems like it should only happen when going from sd to hd |
| [16:25:26] | wagnerrp: | super... transcoder...? |
| [16:25:47] | sphery: | "One interesting thing that could come of this is the use of the PS3 as a way to do SUPER fast transcoding of video. Perhaps even on the fly transcoding of BluRay video (M2TS to something smaller). That'd be something I'd use no doubt." |
| [16:25:51] | wagnerrp: | you mean using those encoders specially optimized for use on the SPEs? |
| [16:26:11] | ** wagnerrp wonders where he can download some of those encoders ** | |
| [16:26:45] | sphery: | heck, with that, we can circumvent the playback problems by just real-time transcoding from hard-to-play HDTV to MPEG-1 |
| [16:26:56] | sphery: | that would be the *perfect* frontend |
| [16:27:39] | sphery: | and it only uses 200W |
| [16:27:57] | sphery: | (OK, PS3 Slim may be 100W, but still, not really efficient) |
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| [16:28:14] | wagnerrp: | ive heard it uses closer to a third the power of the original |
| [16:28:20] | wagnerrp: | so maybe 60W under full load |
| [16:28:34] | sphery: | that's actually not bad |
| [16:28:38] | wagnerrp: | which is an enormous amount of power for 60W under full load |
| [16:28:48] | wagnerrp: | but only if you spend the time to develop for the platform |
| [16:28:58] | wagnerrp: | and to date, no one has |
| [16:29:26] | sphery: | yeah, seems there's a lot of variation depending on hardware and what you're doing: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayStation_3_ha . . . _consumption |
| [16:29:58] | sphery: | the 60 GB CECHAxx at the XMB menu probably gives even Arclight a run for its money |
| [16:30:01] | sphery: | :) |
| [16:30:40] | wagnerrp: | hey, ive got one of those in my living room |
| [16:32:27] | sphery: | I went with the XBox 360, instead. It's power usage starts out high, but after a year or so goes to 0W |
| [16:32:35] | sphery: | so it's a long-term investment |
| [16:33:16] | sphery: | of course, once you get to the 0W point (aka RRoD), it's not very good at playing games, anymore |
| [16:33:42] | wagnerrp: | im sure it pulls a lot of power when RRoDd |
| [16:34:01] | sphery: | well, I'm assuming you unplug it since it's not using the power |
| [16:34:06] | wagnerrp: | considering you can pack it in pillows, get it to overheat and reflow, and fix itself |
| [16:34:11] | sphery: | at least not using it effectively |
| [16:34:33] | sphery: | funny thing is that the reflowing seems to work sometimes |
| [16:36:55] | sphery: | friend of mine had his RRoD a month after the 3yr warranty. We took ours apart (mine was out of warranty, but not RRoD'ed), removed the X-clips that hold the CPU and GPU HS's to the mobo, then re-mounted the mobo and the HS/Fan to the steel case (where MS's design leaves it "free-floating in the case). Then, I put mine back together (did this to potentially reduce the likelihood of RRoD), and he wrapped his, plugged it in for 15min, and ... |
| [16:37:01] | sphery: | ... let it re-flow. Then he put it back together, and it worked. |
| [16:37:23] | sphery: | I didn't expect it to work, but it did. |
| [16:37:57] | wagnerrp: | a heatgun would likely do just as well |
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| [16:39:17] | sphery: | yeah--and I've heard it's a temp fix |
| [16:39:25] | sphery: | he doesn't really use his, anymore, so it may well be |
| [16:39:41] | sphery: | but neither of us had the equipment to re-ball the chips :) |
| [16:40:23] | wagnerrp: | i wonder how much of the different in power consumption was the die shrink |
| [16:40:35] | wagnerrp: | and how much was removal of the PS2 hardware |
| [16:40:42] | sphery: | good question |
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| [16:59:13] | sphery: | so, is the 270.41.06 (current) nvidia driver recommended, or are we still needing to use some older version? http://www.nvidia.com/object/unix.html |
| [16:59:45] | sphery: | seems it's time for me to upgrade from 173.14.25 |
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| [17:00:06] | wagnerrp: | if its on the front page as stable, it should be fine |
| [17:00:06] | sphery: | (which doesn't support my new GT220) |
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| [17:00:19] | wagnerrp: | the 260.x had issues, but ive not heard of any in the 270 branch |
| [17:00:21] | sphery: | front page, meaning nvidia's site |
| [17:00:55] | sphery: | cool... I didn't remember any, either, but haven't been paying attention--since I was using the legacy drivers |
| [17:01:00] | wagnerrp: | erm yeah... their front driver page |
| [17:01:07] | sphery: | thanks |
| [17:01:12] | wagnerrp: | as opposed to a page accessed by digging around on their site |
| [17:01:20] | sphery: | it's their front page |
| [17:01:42] | sphery: | from http://www.nvidia.com/Download/index.aspx?lang=en-us , I just click Linux, FreeBSD, and Solaris Drivers |
| [17:01:51] | wagnerrp: | right |
| [17:01:53] | sphery: | (easier than the search thing) |
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| [17:18:00] | ** sphery wonders why he wouldn't just use the version of ffmpeg that's know to work with mythtv ** | |
| [17:18:09] | sphery: | especially since it has no effect on the rest of his system |
| [17:24:53] | wagnerrp: | i dont know... |
| [17:31:03] | wagnerrp: | considering hes marked as a kde dev, i assumed it was something to do with swaying towards one ffmpeg or the other |
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| [17:48:40] | thwg2005: | can anyone help me understand how to get around live failing to "error opening jump program file buffer"? |
| [17:52:08] | wagnerrp: | check your backend logs to see why it is not recording |
| [17:57:36] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: no afk on your name... available for an account ban on the mailing list? |
| [17:57:46] | kormoc: | Sure |
| [17:57:59] | wagnerrp: | you should be able to see the one im talking about |
| [17:58:13] | wagnerrp: | (thomas m davis) |
| [17:59:15] | thwg2005: | wagnerrp: looks like it's having filesystem issues... |
| [17:59:24] | thwg2005: | wagnerrp: ERROR: Filesystem Info cache is empty, unable to calculate necessary parameters. |
| [17:59:42] | sphery: | thanks for the heads up so I could mark it junk before clicking it |
| [18:00:03] | thwg2005: | wagnerrp: and DB Error (Creating sched_temp_record table): ... Can't create file '/tmp/#sql39f_85_1.frm' (errno: 13) |
| [18:00:12] | wagnerrp: | have you defined any folders for storage? |
| [18:00:21] | wagnerrp: | is it possible you have a corrupted database? |
| [18:00:30] | sphery: | thwg2005: generally happens when you have no configured inputs (capture devices) or your filesystem configuration/Storage Group configuration is wrong (and there are no usable file systems) |
| [18:01:11] | thwg2005: | sphery: this was working yesterday – brand new system; I think my capture device works – I'm able to scan and detect channels OTA |
| [18:01:33] | sphery: | the inability to create a temp file may mean you haven't granted appropriate permissions to the mysql user (mythtv) |
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| [18:01:49] | sphery: | or you've configured your mysqld server to prohibit temp file usage |
| [18:01:59] | sphery: | or your file system prevents the mysqld user from accessing /tmp |
| [18:02:25] | thwg2005: | sphery: I haven't changed permissions or configuration for mysql |
| [18:02:31] | sphery: | or you could have a full file system |
| [18:02:36] | thwg2005: | sphery: but I guess I can start there |
| [18:02:48] | sphery: | well, file system permissions wouldn't be a problem until you needed a temp table |
| [18:02:53] | sphery: | which wouldn't happen immediately in mythtv |
| [18:03:11] | sphery: | if you have mysql binary logging enabled, you could have easily filled your file system |
| [18:03:49] | sphery: | error 13 is actually permission denied, though |
| [18:04:04] | sphery: | so it looks like the user running mysqld doesn't have permissions on /tmp |
| [18:04:32] | sphery: | or (IIRC, this could also cause problems), the /tmp dir has improper permissions which would allow other users to read/write to the file |
| [18:04:49] | sphery: | i.e. not 1777 permissions |
| [18:05:42] | thwg2005: | you referring to /tmp/mythtv_media ? |
| [18:05:56] | sphery: | definitely fix that problem first, because it could, potentially, cause problems elsewhere (so the other problem may disappear after fixing this one) |
| [18:06:00] | sphery: | no, /tmp itself |
| [18:06:17] | sphery: | mysqld is trying to create /tmp/#sql39f_85_1.frm , but can't |
| [18:06:44] | thwg2005: | ok; done -trying again |
| [18:07:12] | thwg2005: | that f*ing did it |
| [18:07:17] | thwg2005: | how would that change? |
| [18:07:23] | sphery: | what were the perms on your /tmp dir? |
| [18:07:57] | sphery: | it's possible they were 0777, which would mean that other users could delete mysqld's files, so it would refuse to use the dir, since it's unsafe |
| [18:08:13] | sphery: | no idea how they'd get to be wrong |
| [18:08:21] | thwg2005: | sphery: well, thanks for the help |
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| [18:08:39] | thwg2005: | sphery: you don't know of a good place to get boxee help, do you? trying to stream some netflix... |
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| [18:08:54] | sphery: | if it keeps happening, you'll likely need to figure out which script/program is breaking those perms and fix it |
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| [18:09:03] | thwg2005: | sphery: understood |
| [18:09:10] | sphery: | otherwise, I suppose you can write it off as a fluke :) |
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| [18:20:17] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, aye. Removing |
| [18:32:28] | sphery: | !seen PromyLOPh |
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| [18:39:04] | sphery: | wow, vid card/driver upgrade was easy--didn't even uninstall my libvdpau |
| [18:39:21] | sphery: | this isn't your father's (legacy) nvidia driver |
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| [18:49:28] | wagnerrp: | JEDIDIAH__: you think CUDA would be easier than programming for the Cell? |
| [18:50:19] | wagnerrp: | certainly much more powerful, and more worthwhile since its not a dead end architecture |
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| [19:02:45] | JEDIDIAH__: | there's already windows software that use GPU acceleration features for stuff like transcoding. |
| [19:03:39] | wagnerrp: | well thats only because GPUs are available on windows, to sell to users |
| [19:04:04] | wagnerrp: | it would be a significantly more niche market to sell an application for use on the PS3 to transcode videos on the network or local media |
| [19:04:54] | wagnerrp: | the big issue that turned me off the Cell was the absolute lack of memory... 180MB is really too small to so much of anything fun (at least for my purposes when i was looking into it) |
| [19:06:15] | JEDIDIAH__: | Before you are free to program whatever you want for the cell, you've got to get to it. |
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| [19:34:11] | wagnerrp: | gnome forced a move to pulseaudio? |
| [19:34:26] | wagnerrp: | they completely dropped all support for alsa? |
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| [19:40:19] | wagnerrp: | doesnt seem like it |
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| [21:21:14] | wagnerrp: | does anyone else get the urge to point and laugh at the kids riding those razer scooters? |
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| [21:27:01] | wagnerrp: | some kid up on the avenue riding one... i just always considered them people who didnt have the coordination to use a skateboard |
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| [21:50:34] | dewman: | !seen supidpeople |
| [21:50:34] | MythLogBot: | supidpeople has not been seen here |
| [21:50:43] | dewman: | hehehe |
| [21:53:11] | wagnerrp: | supidpeople? |
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| [21:55:52] | sphery: | weird... just switched to VDPAU and for some reason, unicorns aren't dancing on rainbows on my TV screen |
| [21:56:43] | sphery: | where's this magic deinterlacer that puts all other video output to shame and makes all your content--1080i and 720p--1M times more beautiful? |
| [21:57:16] | sphery: | that said, the card is great... I can do 1.75x with captions (and osd) enabled without any playback issues or jerkiness |
| [21:58:38] | Beirdo: | sphery: hush, or we will force you to run on an Atom |
| [21:59:01] | sphery: | oh, maybe you only get the dancing unicorns with vdpau /and/ atom |
| [21:59:46] | Beirdo: | must be :) |
| [22:01:02] | ** wagnerrp has unicorns, but they dont dance ** | |
| [22:01:09] | wagnerrp: | they just stand their acting all superior |
| [22:01:12] | wagnerrp: | stupid unicorns |
| [22:01:24] | sphery: | heh |
| [22:01:55] | sphery: | sounds like you should send them off somewhere they can be put to good use: http://www.thinkgeek.com/caffeine/wacky-edibles/e5a7/ |
| [22:02:12] | wagnerrp: | mmm... unicorn meat |
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| [22:02:41] | sphery: | hey, opengl renderer works, too, at 1.75x w/captions and osd |
| [22:02:54] | sphery: | big step up from my GF7200 |
| [22:02:57] | wagnerrp: | wow, crysis and crysis warhead for $10 on steam |
| [22:03:36] | sphery: | I'm waiting for them to drop Dawn of War II Retribution and Chaos prices... |
| [22:03:57] | skd5aner: | I haven't had steam installed in years – I really should get back into gaming |
| [22:04:15] | skd5aner: | I spent way too many hours of my life playing counter-strike |
| [22:04:45] | sphery: | just knowing that Chaos Rising was on sale 2mos ago for $9.99 makes it hard for me to buy it at $19.99 |
| [22:04:59] | sphery: | I think I was better off before I found http://www.steamgamesales.com/ |
| [22:05:14] | sphery: | (though next time I'll be ready for the sale when it hits) |
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| [22:05:49] | wagnerrp: | is dawn of war a warhammer 40k thing? |
| [22:05:55] | sphery: | yeah |
| [22:06:05] | wagnerrp: | never played any of that |
| [22:07:26] | sphery: | friend of mine is really into it, and he got me to buy the THQ everything pack ... then we played through DoWII, and he wants me to get Chaos, now |
| [22:07:45] | sphery: | (Chaos and Retribution came out after I got the everything pack) |
| [22:08:13] | wagnerrp: | aww... there was a sale on 120mm fans at newegg today i missed |
| [22:08:22] | wagnerrp: | 4 fans for $10 |
| [22:08:35] | Beirdo: | dang |
| [22:08:40] | Beirdo: | that coulda been useful |
| [22:08:46] | sphery: | wow, that's like $0.02/mm |
| [22:09:45] | wagnerrp: | anyone ever used amazon games? |
| [22:09:56] | wagnerrp: | mass effect 2 for $8 |
| [22:10:58] | sphery: | is it a steam-like distribution thing or just a buy the downloadable game thing? |
| [22:11:24] | wagnerrp: | seems its just a 'buy the downloadable game' |
| [22:11:29] | wagnerrp: | but they allow re-downloads |
| [22:11:37] | sphery: | that's cool |
| [22:11:49] | wagnerrp: | steam one is supposed to be $10, but it shows up as $20 to me |
| [22:12:12] | sphery: | $8 is cheaper than even the "good" condition used mass effect 2 on glyde.com |
| [22:12:37] | wagnerrp: | oh, its EA week on steam |
| [22:12:47] | wagnerrp: | yesterday was cheap mass effect, today is cheap crysis |
| [22:13:09] | sphery: | you should set up the RSS feed from steamgamesales.com |
| [22:13:35] | sphery: | I have an rss2email script that pulls it and e-mails the new stuff to me each day |
| [22:13:44] | wagnerrp: | yeah, i think i need to not do that |
| [22:13:45] | wagnerrp: | :) |
| [22:13:55] | sphery: | (never found an rss reader I liked--since I can't use procmail on an rss reader :) |
| [22:14:06] | sphery: | have it scanning for games I'm interested in and highlighting them |
| [22:14:18] | sphery: | but, yeah, for some, not knowing is better... |
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| [22:18:05] | sphery: | wow, talk about focusing on something that just doesn't matter... http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/A . . . 18606824c42a |
| [22:18:50] | sphery: | because, of course, the people who can be guilted into changing from using the term pet to using the phrase animal companion are the ones who are abusive to animals. |
| [22:28:40] | wagnerrp: | why would we get rid of phrases like 'eat like a pig' |
| [22:28:48] | wagnerrp: | have you ever seen a pig eat? |
| [22:28:57] | wagnerrp: | its a voracious fu**ing mess |
| [22:30:05] | sphery: | but you have to respect animals or you're treat them bad |
| [22:30:52] | wagnerrp: | why do you have to respect something to treat it well? |
| [22:31:50] | sphery: | yeah, if you're writing for the Journal of Animal Ethics, I'm sure you'd know |
| [22:32:17] | sphery: | regardless of what they say, I think it's still just a PC thing |
| [22:32:21] | wagnerrp: | i dont respect my computer monitor |
| [22:32:28] | wagnerrp: | ive got some serious complaints about it |
| [22:32:37] | wagnerrp: | but that doesnt mean im going to pick it up and bash it against the wall |
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| [22:32:57] | wagnerrp: | its my property, and doing so would mean nothing but a loss to me |
| [22:34:15] | wagnerrp: | if youre talking about something like a hunting dog, or guard dog, or oxen (or elephants in areas that use them as such) |
| [22:34:23] | wagnerrp: | its property, not a companion |
| [22:34:33] | wagnerrp: | but its property necessary for your well being |
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| [22:34:57] | wagnerrp: | you are going to treat it well, because doing so is advantageous to you |
| [22:35:02] | wagnerrp: | it has nothing to do with respect |
| [22:38:34] | Beirdo: | what, you ain't gonna trash your monitor? I think I need to find a way to stress you out more :) |
| [22:39:07] | Beirdo: | play flying monitors |
| [22:39:34] | Beirdo: | PULL! |
| [22:39:42] | Beirdo: | oh wait' that's skeet shooting |
| [22:52:04] | Beirdo: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811166032 |
| [22:52:13] | Beirdo: | hideous case of the year award |
| [22:52:48] | wagnerrp: | but everyone wants to see ugly computer parts |
| [22:53:08] | Beirdo: | blue glowing acrylic.... UGH! |
| [22:53:52] | Beirdo: | in case you were wondering... searching for cases with many external bays |
| [22:54:25] | wagnerrp: | what are you looking to do? |
| [22:54:46] | Beirdo: | thinking of making a large fileserver (likely FreeBSD + ZFS) |
| [22:55:35] | wagnerrp: | and you want 5.25" bays for hotswap? |
| [22:55:40] | Beirdo: | yu[p |
| [22:55:51] | Beirdo: | well, I want external bays |
| [22:56:08] | Beirdo: | for hotswap... but not many 3.5" hotswap setups out there |
| [22:56:17] | Beirdo: | short of rackmount crap :) |
| [22:56:39] | wagnerrp: | norco makes some decent relatively inexpensive.... rackmount crap |
| [22:57:24] | Beirdo: | I guess I could consider it |
| [22:57:30] | Beirdo: | but then I'd need a rack |
| [22:57:34] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [22:57:51] | wagnerrp: | build one |
| [22:57:56] | Beirdo: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811815008 |
| [22:58:04] | Beirdo: | that's not bad for what it is |
| [22:58:31] | wagnerrp: | a couple 2x4s, some long metal screws |
| [22:59:40] | Beirdo: | hehe, I guess |
| [22:59:47] | sphery: | Beirdo: wow, that (first one) is a bad case... and I thought http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811103014 was bad |
| [22:59:59] | Beirdo: | anyways, it's Friday, 4pm, and we are gonna go out and drink :) |
| [23:00:15] | Beirdo: | yeah, the submarine one :) |
| [23:00:51] | wagnerrp: | here we go... 5 server racks for $1 on craigslist, 42U, 3 cabinet, 2 open |
| [23:01:13] | Beirdo: | I'm in an apartment. I'm not putting in a full rack :) |
| [23:01:22] | wagnerrp: | surely not |
| [23:01:24] | Beirdo: | as tempting as it might be |
| [23:01:33] | wagnerrp: | but for $1, you can take hack saw to it |
| [23:01:44] | wagnerrp: | chop off the bottom 18U |
| [23:01:46] | Beirdo: | if there was power in the walk-in closet, I might consider it |
| [23:01:51] | wagnerrp: | shove it under your desk |
| [23:01:59] | Beirdo: | hehehe |
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| [23:03:43] | wagnerrp: | im actually planning on building a utility cabinet server for my parents |
| [23:04:13] | wagnerrp: | mount it on a wall, cut out vents on the top and bottom |
| [23:04:46] | wagnerrp: | build some hard drive racks like that blazebox |
| [23:05:08] | wagnerrp: | plus it would have room for all the network and tuner equipment |
| [23:06:23] | Beirdo: | a full-tower (or even half-tower) with : |
| [23:06:25] | Beirdo: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817993016 |
| [23:06:29] | Beirdo: | could do the trick |
| [23:06:40] | Beirdo: | anyways, why am I still here? beer! |
| [23:08:30] | wagnerrp: | hold on... steam is reporting a peak download speed of 638KB/s |
| [23:08:40] | wagnerrp: | im pretty sure ive got my firewall capped somewhere below that |
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