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| [00:53:26] | Gumby: | hi all, I have 4 satellites setup in mythtv and each is working great. the issue I am having is with schedules direct. Two of the satellites are getting guide data perfectly, two of the satellites are not. All of my channels are set to NOT get guide data over the air and each satellite is set to use its own source. Is there something I am missing? |
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| [00:55:20] | wagnerrp: | id you line up the xmltvids properly? |
| [00:56:12] | Gumby: | I'm not sure/dont think so, Ive never had to do that before. |
| [00:56:24] | Gumby: | where is this done? |
| [00:56:27] | wagnerrp: | did you have to scan your channels? |
| [00:56:44] | Gumby: | I scanned them in yes |
| [00:57:14] | wagnerrp: | then you need to specify the xmltvids for each channel before you will receive guide data from schedules direct |
| [00:57:28] | wagnerrp: | you can do so in the channel editor, either in mythtv-setup, mythfrontend, or mythweb |
| [00:57:40] | wagnerrp: | or if youre using 0.25, in the web setup utility |
| [00:57:49] | Gumby: | hrm, ok. I never had to do that for the first two satellites (same provider). Perhaps it is different for the other two |
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| [00:58:09] | wagnerrp: | are these using DVBS cards? or STBs and analog capture? |
| [00:58:10] | Gumby: | how do I know what the xmltvid is? |
| [00:58:14] | Gumby: | dvb cards |
| [00:58:33] | wagnerrp: | go onto your schedules direct account, select a lineup, and mouse over a channel |
| [00:58:42] | wagnerrp: | the xmltvid will be visible in the popup |
| [00:59:54] | Gumby: | I see. Ok, I see the difference between two sample channels now. Indeed one has an xmltvid and the other does not. I guess it is not pulling it properly from the stream when scanning |
| [01:00:14] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: just a thought... |
| [01:00:28] | wagnerrp: | the jquery stuff we have for the backend setup supports drag-and-drop, right? |
| [01:01:00] | wagnerrp: | would it be possible to have a third pane in the channel editor that pulls up the attached SD lineup for that source |
| [01:01:14] | wagnerrp: | and then just drag SD channels on top of the scanned channels |
| [01:01:52] | wagnerrp: | i never did like that whole mouseover thing on schedules direct |
| [01:03:44] | Gumby: | ah, I see what went wrong |
| [01:04:28] | Gumby: | I renumbered the channels from one source (the one that is failing). According to a post I just read, you need to run mythfilldatabase once before doing this or else you wont get a match and the xmltvid wont get written to the db |
| [01:05:34] | wagnerrp: | yes, if the numbering handled out by the channel table in the transport stream matches up with what schedules direct expects, mythfilldatabase can automatically match up xmltvids |
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| [01:05:44] | wagnerrp: | however this generally only works with broadcast channels |
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| [01:09:45] | Gumby: | I'll give it a shot. I'll renumber my 1st two satellites and then put the 2nd two back to their original numbers. Run mythfilldatabase, and then renumber both again. |
| [01:10:00] | Twiggy2cents: | is it typical for a recording to be ~53 minutes instead of an hour, I have it set to record 0 minutes before/after. |
| [01:12:30] | wagnerrp: | what reads as 53 minutes? |
| [01:12:44] | wagnerrp: | is that what the OSD status bar is telling you? |
| [01:12:57] | Twiggy2cents: | yes |
| [01:13:07] | wagnerrp: | what version of mythtv are you running? |
| [01:13:19] | Twiggy2cents: | hang on, it might just be the ui |
| [01:13:22] | Twiggy2cents: | let me check |
| [01:15:48] | Twiggy2cents: | I have no proof now, I cleaned house and no longer have any that have this issue. I may of imagined it. |
| [01:16:14] | wagnerrp: | no it is/was a real issue |
| [01:16:18] | wagnerrp: | what version of mythtv are you running? |
| [01:16:24] | Twiggy2cents: | As far as version, 0.24-fixes |
| [01:16:33] | Twiggy2cents: | if it matters, mythbuntu BE fedora FE |
| [01:16:40] | wagnerrp: | and youre certain this has happened AFTER upgrading to 0.24? |
| [01:17:06] | Twiggy2cents: | Yes |
| [01:17:47] | wagnerrp: | there was formerly an issue where some funky encoding on digital interlaced broadcasts would be improperly measured |
| [01:17:52] | Twiggy2cents: | I havent ever missed anything so it wasnt ever a big deal |
| [01:17:57] | wagnerrp: | but that should have been fixed already |
| [01:18:03] | wagnerrp: | and it was superficial only |
| [01:18:21] | wagnerrp: | playback occurred fine, at normal speed, and the full recording existed |
| [01:20:18] | Twiggy2cents: | So if that is the case, that must be why I never missed anything |
| [01:21:40] | Gumby: | thanks for the help wagnerp. It put me in the right direction and all is looking good now |
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| [02:52:20] | wizworks: | hello everyone. Having trouble with screen blanking on MythTV installed on Ubuntu 10.4 |
| [02:52:26] | wizworks: | using HDMI output |
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| [04:28:31] | wagnerrp: | why does udo want a machine with ATI graphics? |
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| [04:30:40] | mycosys: | who is udo |
| [04:30:51] | wagnerrp: | udo is a mad man |
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| [04:31:08] | wagnerrp: | been complaining about memory leaks in mythtv for years |
| [04:31:08] | mycosys: | the openivo weirdo? |
| [04:31:21] | wagnerrp: | but he was always running on some POS Via machine |
| [04:31:26] | mycosys: | ewww |
| [04:31:52] | wagnerrp: | and didnt have enough power to actually run valgrind as requested to actually trace down the problem |
| [04:32:03] | wagnerrp: | a problem that was not repeatable by any other users or devs |
| [04:32:17] | wagnerrp: | hes also someone who records everything |
| [04:32:29] | wagnerrp: | and by that i mean hes got several tuners, each dedicated to a multiplex |
| [04:32:38] | wagnerrp: | recording everything on the multiplex, all the time |
| [04:32:46] | wagnerrp: | god only knows why |
| [04:32:48] | mycosys: | what? why? |
| [04:32:50] | mycosys: | oh |
| [04:33:01] | mycosys: | but – why use myth???? |
| [04:33:10] | wagnerrp: | udo is a mad man |
| [04:33:20] | mycosys: | the whole point of myth is the scheduler isnt it? |
| [04:33:47] | mycosys: | working around the core of an app seems – retardeed |
| [04:34:14] | wagnerrp: | careful now, thinking too hard could cause an aneurysm |
| [04:34:22] | wagnerrp: | weve lost too many poor souls that way |
| [04:34:36] | mycosys: | lol |
| [04:35:02] | mycosys: | already may be joining em – netbios seems to have died on my myth box |
| [04:35:44] | wagnerrp: | netbios? |
| [04:35:50] | wagnerrp: | i thought that was a windows thing |
| [04:35:59] | mycosys: | and samba |
| [04:36:40] | mycosys: | nmbd |
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| [04:50:53] | ** Beirdo grumbles at this one last layout footprint ** | |
| [04:51:42] | ** wagnerrp grumbles at having to rewrite all this ui code ** | |
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| [05:05:52] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: is there any reason why a base object would need to be a QObject? |
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| [05:06:21] | wagnerrp: | specifically... any reason why 'class JobInfoRun : public JobInfo, public QObject' would not work? |
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| [05:07:18] | wagnerrp: | you know, ill bet the MOC crap requires QObject be the first parent class |
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| [05:08:02] | wagnerrp: | yeah, that was it |
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| [05:09:53] | Beirdo: | definitely does |
| [05:09:55] | Beirdo: | sorry |
| [05:10:32] | wagnerrp: | sorry for not being able to respond in the half a minute it took between me voicing my issue, and figuring it out on my own? |
| [05:11:07] | Beirdo: | hehe, yeah, sorry I was on a different window and didn't see ya asking |
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| [06:18:45] | wagnerrp: | sphery: is that --rotate in the backup script just a blind rotation, or does it do any kind of intelligent deletion? |
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| [07:20:43] | scaroo: | Hi everyone. I currently uses myth on a very lowend system as a media center (ie. no DVR). Thus, I am not using the backend at all and am looking for a way to avoid the "Cant connect to the backend...." error dialog. Does any of you has some tip on the regard ? Thanks ! |
| [07:22:03] | wagnerrp: | run the backend |
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| [07:26:37] | scaroo: | wagnerrp: the computer is very memory-constraint (256mo) and has no tuner. Myth works fine as a simple media center without the backend apart from the aformentioned dialogs. I understand frontend-only aint supported by the mythtv team, but there might be a way to tell th frontend "ok, mate, you are alone in this", right ? |
| [07:28:01] | wagnerrp: | you can rewrite mythtv/libs/libmythbase/mythcorecontext.cpp to prevent it from connecting to the master backend, and alter the relevant methods to return errors |
| [07:28:34] | wagnerrp: | mythfrontend alone will not be happy with only 256MB of memory anyway |
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| [07:28:55] | scaroo: | wagnerrp: well, it currently works quite okay |
| [07:29:03] | wagnerrp: | and likely any machine with only 256MB of memory is going to be too ancient to be of any worth for playback |
| [07:29:23] | kormoc: | scaroo, in short, no, there isn't a way to disable that dialog |
| [07:29:53] | kormoc: | scaroo, and we're moving all the media management for videos/etc into the backend anyway, so you'll have to run it eventually if you continue to upgrade |
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| [07:30:42] | scaroo: | wagnerrp: myth seems more scalable than you think :) here p3 1ghz 256mo + ancient supersavage, and it works quite nicely fo lightvideo watching, mame and zsnes ;) |
| [07:30:48] | Beirdo: | got it down to 1"x2.2" |
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| [07:31:12] | kormoc: | I need to find more hot sauce... this is gonna be a long night... |
| [07:31:23] | wagnerrp: | yeah, im currently on a 10yr old laptop about that old |
| [07:31:40] | wagnerrp: | its good enough for standard definition mpeg2 and mpeg4 |
| [07:31:45] | wagnerrp: | anything h264 is out of the question |
| [07:32:05] | wagnerrp: | and using the frontend was painful when i took the extra 128Mb chip out and tried with only the remaining 256MB |
| [07:32:34] | wagnerrp: | it would probably be enough for a 640x480 display with no artwork |
| [07:32:48] | wagnerrp: | but use as an HD display is again out of the question |
| [07:33:57] | scaroo: | wagnerrp: well, that is basically my config, light theme on a sdtv, so for now, I am fine doing archeology. But indeed when money will allow it and a superduper lcd will apear in my room, it'll be time for a hardware upgrade |
| [07:34:19] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: i would have argued that a couple days ago, saying it was in the plans to keep some form of local file access for removable storage |
| [07:34:51] | wagnerrp: | but apparently the real plan is to use a stripped down backend (fileserver only) running on the frontend for access to that content |
| [07:35:17] | kormoc: | yeah |
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| [07:35:24] | scaroo: | wagnerrp, kormoc : so the backend will become a upnp server of some sort ? |
| [07:35:38] | wagnerrp: | not upnp, mythbackend |
| [07:35:48] | kormoc: | scaroo, well... it already is... but it'll be the part we use to handle media, aye |
| [07:35:49] | wagnerrp: | mythtv has its own internal protocol it uses for communication |
| [07:36:06] | kormoc: | scaroo, if you know of other media centers, it's a similar model to plex |
| [07:36:41] | kormoc: | you run a media server (backend) on boxes with content, run media consumers on devices you want to see the media on, and the two just mesh and do the right thing (tm)(r) |
| [07:36:47] | wagnerrp: | the frontends can use upnp to discover the backend, but that is the extent upnp is used internally |
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| [07:37:15] | Beirdo: | kormoc: you're dreaming :) |
| [07:37:27] | kormoc: | Beirdo, tis the goal! |
| [07:37:41] | kormoc: | Beirdo, and Mr. wagnerrp and Mr. sph-ery have been working towards it |
| [07:37:45] | scaroo: | wagnerrp: ok, nice. But dont want to be controversial, but why not make the medai handling upnp too ? That'd allow to use other frontends, being desktop applications or mediacenter |
| [07:38:08] | kormoc: | scaroo, we'll continue to expose media via UPnP, but it's limited in it's feature set |
| [07:38:09] | wagnerrp: | we do have a upnp server running in the backend that does serve content to 3rd party upnp clients |
| [07:38:13] | wagnerrp: | we just dont use it internally |
| [07:38:26] | Beirdo: | heh, we have been working that direction, yes. :) Doubt it will ever be upnp as upnp sucks in comparison to what we need |
| [07:38:31] | wagnerrp: | as our internal protocol has far greater needs than can be provided by upnp |
| [07:39:11] | Beirdo: | so now I get the fun of putting this design up onto github |
| [07:39:15] | scaroo: | allright, got it :) Thanks for your insight, guys. |
| [07:39:43] | ** kormoc pokes the internet. Go faster! ** | |
| [07:39:57] | kormoc: | Why don't we have 10gigE in datacenters yet? |
| [07:40:41] | wagnerrp: | its expensive as sh**? |
| [07:41:04] | kormoc: | Yeah yeah yeah... |
| [07:41:19] | scaroo: | another (unrelated) question: is there a way to make the joystick control continue scrolling and such when keepig holding a direction ? |
| [07:41:50] | wagnerrp: | mythtv does support joystick control, but its a rather underused feature |
| [07:42:02] | wagnerrp: | i honestly dont have any clue how it is supposed to behave |
| [07:42:34] | trumee: | i want to record all the tv via the stb and thus have made it as the last video source. In FE there are two choices "Avoid conflicts between LiveTV and scheduled shows" and "Allow LiveTV to move scheduled shows". do i need to enable these? |
| [07:42:53] | trumee: | my intention is to always record using stb and i dont care too much about LiveTV |
| [07:43:09] | kormoc: | wouldn't you make it the first one if you don't use live tv then? |
| [07:43:26] | trumee: | LiveTV can take its feed from two analog tuners |
| [07:43:29] | wagnerrp: | it wouldnt matter, since no scheduler order is determined by the video source |
| [07:43:56] | wagnerrp: | (using mythtv-setup terminology) |
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| [07:44:12] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, that's not entirely true. In the event of a tie, we do assign based on tuner row order (not necessarily id order) |
| [07:44:18] | trumee: | wagnerrp: i thought the last video source is used primarily for recording. |
| [07:44:42] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: tuner, not video source |
| [07:44:56] | trumee: | kormoc: i do use livetv |
| [07:45:00] | kormoc: | trumee, I think the only one who knows for sure is Mr. Dean. I think he's posted on the mailing list some pretty complete documents on it |
| [07:45:05] | wagnerrp: | 'video source' being the thing that holds the channels |
| [07:45:26] | trumee: | wagnerrp: oops, i mean the Tuner not the Video source |
| [07:45:28] | kormoc: | ahh, yes. I just misread and thought he said tuner |
| [07:46:27] | trumee: | so do i need to enable the two settings above in FE? |
| [07:46:53] | kormoc: | I wouldn't know, and I'd search the mailing list for the posts explaining it if I was you |
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| [07:47:04] | Beirdo: | it passes DRC check at batchpcb.com. YAY |
| [07:47:41] | trumee: | kormoc: cheers |
| [07:47:50] | kormoc: | G'luck! |
| [07:54:11] | wagnerrp: | scaroo: older frontend versions (0.21 or so) could run without the backend |
| [07:54:28] | wagnerrp: | of course if youre not going to record, you would be much better off with something like xbmc than such an old version of mythtv |
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| [07:57:06] | scaroo: | wagnerrp: well, xbmc (from their wiki) requires opengl with shaders, obviously supersavage hasnt those :) |
| [07:58:13] | wagnerrp: | spend $150 and upgrade? |
| [07:59:03] | wagnerrp: | make it $170 |
| [07:59:07] | Beirdo: | I think it's bedtime here at the zoo |
| [07:59:14] | kormoc: | lucky! |
| [07:59:25] | kormoc: | It'll be another few hours before I get to nap |
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| [07:59:46] | wagnerrp: | that would get you AMD board and 3GHz dual core processor, 2GB of memory, nvidia GT210 graphics, and an adapter to use your existing power supply |
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| [08:00:06] | scaroo: | wagnerrp: money being a finite quantty...bla bla bla |
| [08:00:41] | wagnerrp: | you could seriously dumpster dive for something much better than you have |
| [08:01:41] | wagnerrp: | a local university might have a center that they sell all their old equipment off at, mine does every thursday |
| [08:01:55] | wagnerrp: | computer conventions will have old machines for ~$25 |
| [08:02:05] | wagnerrp: | you could look on craigslist |
| [08:02:24] | scaroo: | wow, gotta seriously have to look into this. Thanks for the tip! |
| [08:02:58] | wagnerrp: | even just try to pick up a bit more memory |
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| [08:03:09] | wagnerrp: | 512 should be a bare minimum for a combo mythtv box |
| [08:03:56] | scaroo: | yeah, the machine currently swaps like hell, mythfrontend + mysqld occupies arround 260mo |
| [08:04:34] | scaroo: | (while in the ui) |
| [08:06:11] | wagnerrp: | for instance... on craigslist, an old HP tower, 2GHz (probably P4), 512MB DDR, and 60GB boot drive |
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| [08:35:15] | scaroo: | wagnerrp: thanks a lot, having a look at cl. Another last question: what is the best resolution for a crt sdtv ? I am experiencing with pal and ntsc modelines, but the result seems better with standard vga res (640x480, 800x600) Is that... normal ? |
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| [08:48:22] | justinh: | scaroo: PAL is technically 720x576 interlaced. NTSC is 720x480 interlaced – but if you're using a TV-out (i.e. svideo) it'll make no difference what you do with modelines since the tv output encoder on the VGA card will rescale it |
| [08:49:17] | justinh: | the only time it'd make any difference with a CRT TV is if you're using an analogue VGA output either directly, or converting the signal somehow |
| [08:50:12] | scaroo: | justinh: but isn't the rescaling causing data loss compared to feeding the encoder with the alread right res/refresh rate ? |
| [08:50:31] | justinh: | data loss? no |
| [08:50:53] | justinh: | possibly some quality loss, yes |
| [08:51:10] | scaroo: | yeah that's wat i meant, sorry :) |
| [08:51:21] | justinh: | but it's generally better, where a TV encoder is concerned, to feed it with as high as resolution as practicable |
| [08:51:59] | justinh: | note that anything above a given limit *will* result in detail being lost, but that's a limitation of the TV standard more than anything else |
| [08:53:02] | justinh: | and FWIW you'd be wasting your time trying to output interlaced video through X since there's no means of the driver & player software knowing which field is currently being output – meaning there's a 50–50 chance the fields are being output in the wrong order |
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| [08:55:14] | scaroo: | Alright. I'll stay with vga res then. So what would you advice as xorg res to a sdtv using supersavage tvout encoder ? 640..., 800.. or 1024 ? Thanks for the info BTW |
| [08:55:28] | justinh: | supersavage? |
| [08:55:54] | scaroo: | justinh: yeah old s3 chip found in ancient thinkpads :) |
| [08:56:04] | justinh: | eew |
| [08:56:11] | justinh: | good luck with that! |
| [08:56:24] | justinh: | use whichever res looks best to you. Simples :-) |
| [08:56:55] | justinh: | some tv encoders are better at scaling than others – meaning different resolutions may result in different proportions of the TV screen being used |
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| [08:57:39] | justinh: | I don't have any experience of using an S3 TV encoder so I don't know if its driver allows adjusting position & size of the output |
| [08:57:43] | scaroo: | I presume this old fart aint that good ;) But if my source res is 4/3 and so is the tv, i houldnt experience distortion, right ? |
| [08:58:42] | justinh: | YMMV. I've seen some really horrible TV outputs on video hardware – on older nvidia cards, chrontel TV encoder chips were used & they *sucked* |
| [09:03:18] | justinh: | fwiw I use 800x600 for my 16:9 PAL 32" CRT. mostly because intel don't do widescreen modes with TVout |
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| [09:04:51] | justinh: | anyway, you're going to be playing a lot of stuff with black bars at the top & bottom of your screen. almost everything is 16:9 now isn't it? :-P |
| [09:05:21] | justinh: | unless you intend to fill the screen.. in which case.. EEW. And you said you were worried about distortion :-D |
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| [09:14:47] | scaroo: | justinh: doing with what I have :) Lets see if santa is nice with me this year. I'll be a good boy. |
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| [09:17:10] | justinh: | I'm holding off buying a new display for as long as possible |
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| [09:17:29] | justinh: | not willing to replace a perfectly working TV :-D |
| [09:18:04] | justinh: | hardly worth upgrading to HD anyway, since there's so little HD around in the UK |
| [09:18:13] | justinh: | not for free anyway |
| [09:18:20] | justinh: | oooo .. FOUR channels! |
| [09:18:37] | kormoc: | I'm getting disenchanted with TV lately |
| [09:18:48] | kormoc: | I'm paying $70 a month and getting crap |
| [09:19:01] | justinh: | ouch |
| [09:19:17] | justinh: | then again, the top Sky TV package is like double that – and it's mostly all junk |
| [09:19:29] | kormoc: | Heh, this is basic :( |
| [09:19:43] | scaroo: | justinh: we have a bit more luck here in france, most of the mainstream channels (free) are hd (hd ready, not fullhd) |
| [09:19:49] | justinh: | seriously, who needs hundreds of channels? nobody can claim people are making *that* much new stuff worth watching |
| [09:19:51] | kormoc: | I really should ditch the service, go entirely over the air and interwebs |
| [09:20:39] | scaroo: | justinh: well, to buy new dishwasher and sport machines at a very low price. Cell now |
| [09:20:47] | scaroo: | *Call |
| [09:21:22] | justinh: | heh |
| [09:21:37] | justinh: | movie channel packages contain mostly straight-to-disk cruft |
| [09:22:07] | justinh: | 'classic' channels contain mostly very old BBC & ITV shows. Bloody awful |
| [09:22:27] | justinh: | a small handful of channels are showing quality US imports |
| [09:22:51] | justinh: | and the rest are reruns of US imports like TNG.. MEH |
| [09:23:09] | justinh: | oops.. I forgot the Disney Direct Marketing channels |
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| [09:24:56] | scaroo: | justinh: well regarding movies and series, lets say we are better served by alternative means.... |
| [09:25:33] | justinh: | I know. Box sets :-) |
| [09:26:15] | scaroo: | Absolutely :) |
| [09:27:30] | justinh: | last time Sky sent reps around our way they tried to claim I could completely customise a channel package. Retards |
| [09:27:51] | justinh: | cos I said I didn't want to pay £25 a month for a bunch of stuff I wouldn't watch |
| [09:28:46] | justinh: | that was just after we killed our cable package to the bare minimum – I was only recording MythBusters & 24. No way those 2 shows were worth £25 a month |
| [09:28:52] | scaroo: | justinh: dont you have some sort of double-play there : internet + tv over adsl ? |
| [09:28:59] | justinh: | ADSL sucks |
| [09:29:11] | justinh: | <3 Cable internet :-) |
| [09:29:40] | kormoc: | cable? Pfft! Microwave is where it's at! |
| [09:29:51] | ** kormoc pets his internet connection lovingly ** | |
| [09:29:52] | justinh: | also, the 'BT Vision' stuff (net, phone & TV) via copper cable.. they still don't offer you a proper a la carte channel option |
| [09:30:25] | justinh: | and besides, who the hell wants to PAY to watch teevees at a bitrate lower than what's already broadcast? |
| [09:30:59] | justinh: | the picture quality of the cable on-demand stuff is very, very good |
| [09:31:40] | justinh: | kormoc: how much does microwave broadband cost to install anyway? ;-) |
| [09:31:52] | justinh: | mind, I bet it's cheaper than digging up road |
| [09:32:22] | kormoc: | justinh, $100 one time install fee, $60 a month after taxes and fees for 100 mbit/100 mbit |
| [09:32:23] | scaroo: | justinh: french isps broadcast mpeg4 hd content without issue, i am pretty sure you islanders have the same quality (apart from still having monarcs you are also in 2011 :P) |
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| [09:33:48] | scaroo: | (obligatory french-to-english pun...DONE) |
| [09:34:04] | justinh: | scaroo: h.264? Nah. The only h.264 to be had terrestrially is on DVB-T2 |
| [09:34:14] | kormoc: | justinh, and it's $120 a month for 200/200 and $240 a month for 400/400 if I was so inclined |
| [09:34:19] | justinh: | ! |
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| [09:34:55] | justinh: | scaroo: for a country which has invented virtually everything to do with TV – or at least played a very big part in, we are WAY behind |
| [09:36:11] | justinh: | I could get HD on cable.. but there's no way I'm willing to pay that much for it. Same goes for satellite |
| [09:36:21] | justinh: | it's the same crap, but in high def |
| [09:37:22] | scaroo: | justinh: should cross channel (the geographical one). Here for 30e tv+adsl 100mb+phone+nice media center hw for 35e/month. |
| [09:37:53] | justinh: | I wouldn't even pay *that* |
| [09:38:24] | justinh: | 10Mbit is enough for me, I don't even use the phone line, and there's NO TV worth paying for IMHO |
| [09:39:24] | hashbang: | morning all |
| [09:39:26] | justinh: | even the pay as you go type packages are charging stupid prices like £1 per show |
| [09:40:09] | hashbang: | justinh: same here re. HD. I suspect I'll only upgrade to HD when my current SD CRT dies, and it'll mostly be for BD, consoles, and streaming stuff from MythTV |
| [09:40:40] | justinh: | I'm only gonna do streaming once I've got hardware flash plays well with, without tearing & looking gash |
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| [09:41:01] | justinh: | either that or the writers of T&Cs capitulate & let mythtv do the playing |
| [09:41:09] | justinh: | haw haw haw haw |
| [09:42:34] | justinh: | holy crap. BT are charging people to watch, via their 'vision' service, shows you can already see FOR FREE via the BBC iPlayer, ITV Player & 4OD ? :-O |
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| [09:43:04] | kormoc: | if people pay... |
| [09:43:12] | justinh: | how the other half live, eh |
| [09:43:26] | justinh: | we get all that on our cable :-) |
| [09:43:54] | justinh: | if the UI sucked less we could probably get away with using that exclusively |
| [09:44:07] | justinh: | until they start forcing ads down it of course |
| [09:44:16] | justinh: | which is bound to happen eventually |
| [09:46:29] | justinh: | Woooo. I could get 'BT Infinity' – 'UP TO' 32.5Mb/sec down & 7.2Mb up for £28 a month. Ouch |
| [09:46:59] | mycosys: | didnt think u were allowed to talk about BT here (lol) |
| [09:47:10] | justinh: | lol |
| [09:47:34] | justinh: | that £28 p.m. has a 40GB per month usage cap. That's pretty generous. I mean, how many linux ISOs is that? |
| [09:49:22] | justinh: | 40GB == "59 movies'. says their page. iTunes movies? Que? Seems pretty vague |
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| [09:52:36] | justinh: | whoah. that's about 700MB per movie. Rumbled! |
| [09:53:38] | justinh: | so on the one hand, the ISPs are saying they don't condone piracy – but on the other hand, they're quoting download limits in terms of commonly used piracy units. Hmmm |
| [09:54:14] | mycosys1: | .......... still talking BT? |
| [09:54:16] | mycosys1: | :P lol |
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| [09:54:28] | mycosys1: | seriously – which one is more offensive lol |
| [09:57:08] | justinh: | ADSL providers.. they all offend me. I have to use my parents' ADSL sometimes. It blows |
| [09:57:53] | justinh: | not looking forward to moving.. I probably won't be able to get cable where I'm going :-\ |
| [09:58:08] | kormoc: | justinh, didn't you buy a house? |
| [09:58:22] | justinh: | yes |
| [09:58:44] | justinh: | but I'm looking to move back further North ASAP |
| [09:58:51] | kormoc: | ahh, fair 'nuff |
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| [10:01:07] | justinh: | "Broadband speeds have increased by more than 25% since April 2009 and consumers across the country now enjoy an average download speed of 5.2Mb." ROFL |
| [10:02:47] | kormoc: | Woo... everything is at least an hour of waiitng. Nap time! |
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| [10:04:59] | justinh: | pfft.. seems the only 'wireless' broadband over here is WiMAX |
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| [10:05:39] | justinh: | there's some hope in the fact some companies are going to be allowed to use existing poles to run fibre though |
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| [10:14:17] | guar: | hi, I tried to setup the backend of mythtv in mythbuntu with my multifeed antanna. as soon as I connect the diseqc 4/1 switch I get no signal. dvb-s card is a technotrend S1500. |
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| [10:15:18] | guar: | any ideas? |
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| [10:19:43] | guar: | the address for the switch I left on 0x10 |
| [10:20:29] | justinh: | multifeed? not sure that's even supported in linux yet |
| [10:21:01] | guar: | it is at least in the backend setup... |
| [10:21:57] | justinh: | or am I confusing multifeed with the new thing where everything just uses one coax for it all? |
| [10:23:16] | guar: | sorry I do not know. I have a antanna with three lnbs, then a diseqc 4/1 switch and then one cable going in |
| [10:24:13] | justinh: | doh I was confusing it with unicable |
| [10:24:55] | guar: | works fine with a sat reciver, under windows but not with mythtv. if I connect only one lnb and bypass the switch, I get a signal of that satelite |
| [10:25:11] | guar: | no probs ;) |
| [10:25:24] | justinh: | and you've set up mythtv-setup to include the switch & other LNBs in the chain? |
| [10:25:34] | justinh: | very few people who come here have any DVB-S experience |
| [10:25:49] | justinh: | you might have more luck in #mythtv-de if it's still around |
| [10:25:49] | guar: | jup, ends up in no signal |
| [10:26:23] | guar: | thanks, will try there |
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| [10:32:51] | justinh: | really like the idea of Unicable. One coax to rule them all! |
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| [10:37:01] | justinh: | hmm can't find anything on the linuxtv wiki about unicable |
| [10:39:05] | guar: | justinh: the 12 people in the de channel have no clue :( |
| [10:41:00] | mycosys: | theyre germans – its entertainment, what do u expect lol |
| [10:41:18] | justinh: | ahh, unicable doesn't need any special tuning equipment. clever styuff |
| [10:41:20] | justinh: | *stuff |
| [10:43:00] | guar: | mycosys: I expect not to use a windows for a htpc ;) |
| [10:43:44] | mycosys: | what u need is some dutch people |
| [10:43:51] | mycosys: | they know entertainment |
| [10:44:28] | justinh: | guar: it's likely something very simple you've missed, but I've no experience with dvb-s to be able to help |
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| [13:09:57] | dmz: | damn cable providers disabling firewire on their stb then telling me it's the manufacturer and not them |
| [13:10:59] | dmz: | good thing i have lawyers for friends & have a copy of fcc reg 47cfr76.640 :) ffective April 1, 2004, upon request of a customer, replace any leased high definition set-top box, which does not include a functional IEEE 1394 interface, with one that includes a functional IEEE 1394 interface or upgrade the customer's set-top box |
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| [13:51:15] | wizworks: | hello, running mythTV on Ubuntu 10.4 (not mythbuntu, just plain Ubuntu) Screen blanks. I've removed acpid and gnome-screensaver. Still have the problem – screen blanks after a few minutes & will not come back, only reboot solves the problem. Has anyone encountered this issue before? please help. |
| [13:51:49] | wizworks: | also, using HDMI connection for both sound and video. |
| [13:52:48] | mycosys: | mythbuntu=ubuntu+ubuntu myth packages |
| [13:52:51] | mycosys: | no difference |
| [13:54:10] | wizworks: | mycosys: I've seen a difference... used mythbuntu before this (and on 10.4) but the version of MythTV had different features. This "plain vanilla" install seems to have a newer copy of mythTV. But that still doesn't solve my problem. |
| [13:54:38] | mycosys: | `if you used ubuntu packages they are exactly the same mythtv |
| [13:54:42] | mycosys: | exactly |
| [13:55:04] | mycosys: | tho you CAN choose to have newer versions if you use the mythbuntu ppa repos |
| [13:55:20] | wizworks: | mycosys: I realize what you're saying and in theory, yes – that *should* be the case, but between the two installs – some things are different. |
| [13:55:23] | mycosys: | the only way you get 'plain vanilla' is to compile them yourself from source |
| [13:56:46] | mycosys: | did you install using mythbuntu-control-center? |
| [13:56:52] | wizworks: | the mythbuntu install also seemed a bit wonky, which is why I elected to install the regular ubuntu and try again. Only this time I cannot get the darned screen to stop blanking – very annoying. Can you please suggest a fix? |
| [13:57:34] | mycosys: | did you let mythbuntu-control-center configure and install myth for you? |
| [13:57:45] | mycosys: | i would suggest you do that |
| [13:57:46] | wizworks: | I shall check to see if that package is installed... I don't recall installing that. |
| [13:58:05] | mycosys: | that is the ONE package you should install on ubuntu to install myth |
| [13:58:22] | mycosys: | it does the rest, all the deps, the config, the lot |
| [13:59:28] | wizworks: | mycosys: here is the following output from attempting to install that: |
| [13:59:29] | wizworks: | root@DVR:~# apt-get install mythbuntu-control-center |
| [13:59:30] | wizworks: | Reading package lists... Done |
| [13:59:30] | wizworks: | Building dependency tree |
| [13:59:30] | wizworks: | Reading state information... Done |
| [13:59:31] | wizworks: | E: Couldn't find package mythbuntu-control-center |
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| [14:00:55] | mycosys: | sorry – centre |
| [14:00:57] | wizworks: | mycosys: looks like it's spelled "centre" |
| [14:01:04] | wizworks: | here's the output: |
| [14:01:05] | wizworks: | root@DVR:~# apt-get install mythbuntu-control-centre |
| [14:01:05] | wizworks: | Reading package lists... Done |
| [14:01:06] | wizworks: | Building dependency tree |
| [14:01:06] | wizworks: | Reading state information... Done |
| [14:01:06] | wizworks: | mythbuntu-control-centre is already the newest version. |
| [14:01:06] | wizworks: | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 15 not upgraded. |
| [14:01:35] | mycosys: | run it let it choose the roles you want |
| [14:01:47] | mycosys: | probably master backend and frontend |
| [14:01:55] | mycosys: | deselect desktop probably |
| [14:01:57] | wizworks: | both roles are on this box. |
| [14:02:12] | wizworks: | (backend & frontend) |
| [14:02:14] | mycosys: | uhuh – hence suggesting you check both |
| [14:02:49] | wizworks: | mycosys: I have ssh access to the box, but no gui (unless I unstall vnc) |
| [14:03:05] | mycosys: | are you on a linux machine? |
| [14:03:11] | wizworks: | 'doze |
| [14:03:20] | mycosys: | winswitch |
| [14:03:31] | mycosys: | aka 'screen for x' |
| [14:03:54] | mycosys: | install on both and you can use x forwarding from the doze box |
| [14:04:12] | mycosys: | and have the ability to disconnect from the app and leave it running |
| [14:04:14] | wizworks: | u da man! :) |
| [14:04:25] | wizworks: | lemme take a look at this... ;) |
| [14:04:34] | mycosys: | winswitch is actually a frontend for xpra |
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| [14:05:13] | wizworks: | mycosys: what is the package name for Ubuntu? |
| [14:05:59] | mycosys: | dont think it got put in the main repos til maverick? |
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| [14:06:37] | mycosys: | http://winswitch.org/downloads/debian-repository.html |
| [14:06:47] | wizworks: | mycosys: found a howto on their website... gonna get this installed. |
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| [14:09:58] | mycosys: | dont install from source tho wizworks lol |
| [14:10:13] | mycosys: | http://winswitch.org/downloads/debian-reposit . . . select=lucid |
| [14:10:20] | wizworks: | mycosys: yeah I grabbed the package thru their repo |
| [14:10:27] | mycosys: | cool |
| [14:10:59] | wizworks: | mycosys: the DVR and I are on different LANs (DVR is at home, & I'm at work) will I still be able to connect? |
| [14:11:25] | mycosys: | prolly need a vpn i think |
| [14:11:33] | wizworks: | I can open one. |
| [14:11:44] | mycosys: | would be insane for it to work otherwise |
| [14:12:10] | mycosys: | x forwarding over the net is gonna be SLOW |
| [14:12:20] | mycosys: | make sure compression is up high lol |
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| [14:39:40] | wagnerrp: | dmz: note that those fcc regulations have been retracted |
| [14:39:57] | dmz: | damn |
| [14:39:59] | dmz: | really |
| [14:40:02] | dmz: | someone should update the wiki |
| [14:40:13] | wagnerrp: | of course they are lying when they say its the manufacturer's doing |
| [14:40:21] | dmz: | so is there any recorse |
| [14:40:38] | dmz: | or any support for customers accessing firewire? |
| [14:40:46] | wagnerrp: | wait for the HDHR-P to start selling next month, pick up one of those |
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| [14:40:58] | dmz: | what is that? |
| [14:41:57] | wagnerrp: | hdhomerun prime, cablecard tuner supported by mythtv |
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| [14:42:26] | dmz: | but will it work with my carrier |
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| [14:43:15] | wagnerrp: | they are required to make multistream cards available, and set them up with any compliant cablecard compatible device |
| [14:43:29] | wagnerrp: | that was the flip side of removing the firewire requirement |
| [14:43:43] | dmz: | but it's the same thing in the end |
| [14:44:44] | wagnerrp: | meaning? |
| [14:45:33] | dmz: | well the 1394 provides the HD stream |
| [14:45:36] | dmz: | the card provides the HD stream |
| [14:46:05] | dmz: | it's accessing same info; seems silly to not require firewire but then allow the ability for a direct card interface |
| [14:46:06] | wagnerrp: | yes, it will capture the same digital stream as firewire formerly did |
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| [14:46:33] | wagnerrp: | technically, that direct card interface was required around five years ago |
| [14:46:34] | dmz: | someone should update the myth wiki for firewire pulling out the fcc stuff |
| [14:47:16] | dmz: | i wrote an email to the ceo of my local cable company; i live in a small community where there is no other carrier available (one for phone/internet/tv, and only one available) |
| [14:47:17] | wagnerrp: | cable providers have been required to support cable cards for over five years, and even their own set top boxes internally carry a cablecard for decryption |
| [14:48:11] | dmz: | just had to write back :( maybe he'll be nice and still enable it but doubtful |
| [14:48:15] | wagnerrp: | the difference is that cable companies would arbitrarily not support devices they 'didnt like', evenif they were compliant devices |
| [14:48:35] | dmz: | i don't care for their support just enable it :) |
| [14:48:42] | wagnerrp: | in addition to the fact that the cablelabs licensing restrictions meant there were only about a dozen compliant devices as of last year |
| [14:49:27] | wagnerrp: | the hdhomerun prime has effectively been production ready since last april, and their engineers have been using it with mythtv ever since |
| [14:49:50] | wagnerrp: | its been this long for them to pass cablelabs' licensing testing (they just passed a few days ago) |
| [14:50:10] | dmz: | wow |
| [14:50:15] | dmz: | how much will that card cost? |
| [14:50:36] | wagnerrp: | not a card, external network attached box |
| [14:50:42] | wagnerrp: | three tuners ~$250 |
| [14:50:57] | dmz: | ah |
| [14:51:00] | wagnerrp: | but... you replace three cable box rentals with a ~$5 multistream rental |
| [14:51:13] | wagnerrp: | so it makes up for itself pretty quickly |
| [14:51:27] | dmz: | i don't have any monthly rental costs |
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| [14:52:54] | wagnerrp: | you arent charged for your cable boxes? |
| [14:58:46] | ** justinh isn't :-) ** | |
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| [15:01:59] | dmz: | no it's part of the service |
| [15:02:15] | wizworks: | mycosys: no luck with winswitch. Guess I'll have to do it when I get home. |
| [15:02:20] | dmz: | i just got my sa4250hdc installed for free yesterday |
| [15:02:26] | mycosys: | what happened? |
| [15:02:45] | wizworks: | it would connect, but I could not run the desktop or app session. |
| [15:02:57] | wizworks: | I think it may have to do with some dependency. |
| [15:03:25] | mycosys: | odd |
| [15:03:39] | mycosys: | try without compression? |
| [15:04:32] | mycosys: | anyway – best get to bed |
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| [15:05:00] | wizworks: | mycosys: yeah tried with and without compression. no dice. the winswitch client would connect over SSH and I could see the app menu structure, but when trying to launch an app – it just failed. |
| [15:05:05] | W1lk0: | Hello all |
| [15:05:22] | mycosys: | odd – too tired now to figure out |
| [15:05:26] | wizworks: | mycosys: thanks for your help and suggestions,. I will try running that app tonight and see what gives. |
| [15:05:37] | mycosys: | np mate – hope it helps :) |
| [15:05:48] | wizworks: | mycosys: rest well. thanks! |
| [15:05:58] | mycosys: | also http://mythbuntu.org/repos |
| [15:06:13] | mycosys: | 0.24fixes for 10.04 |
| [15:06:41] | mycosys: | iirc it came out with a pre-release 0.23 so dont run it without at least going to 0.23 |
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| [15:07:13] | wizworks: | mycosys: ok noted. will check that. |
| [15:07:57] | JEDIDIAH__: | cable boxes are annoying and slightly more expensive but they allow for live TV for those odd chances you might want to use it. |
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| [15:29:18] | dmz: | what nice people @ my cable company; their legal console called me back and even though they dont' need to do anything they are going to see what they can do; they liked the fact that I actually knew fcc regs, even if they were retracted :) |
| [15:29:23] | Digdilem: | sorted an annoying problem. one of my pci cards would randomly die, and this got worse when i added two usb tuners. turns out 300watts ain't enough for 2xhdd and 4x dvb tuners |
| [15:29:47] | dmz: | how is the quality of the usb tuner? |
| [15:29:51] | dmz: | better than a pvr500? |
| [15:30:11] | wizworks: | I use the HD Homerun (dual tuner over ethernet) |
| [15:30:28] | wagnerrp: | what usb tuner? |
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| [15:34:25] | justinh: | I don't put our cable box through mythtv at all :-) |
| [15:34:43] | justinh: | so if we need 'live' tv it's just there. no mucking about with IR blasting either |
| [15:36:03] | Digdilem: | dmz, it's fine on dvb-t. even the chinese cheap ones, but the drivers for those are very poor. I've just replaced that with two nova-t sticks |
| [15:36:20] | Digdilem: | normal transmission quality |
| [15:36:25] | sphery: | wagnerrp: it's semi-smart rotation. It rotates based on the filename, where the filename must match the rotateglob and can be properly sorted through an ascii-betical sort |
| [15:36:40] | sphery: | it doesn't use file system time stamp, since that can change |
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| [15:38:50] | sphery: | I considered putting a comment at the top of the backup file, but doing so would require decompressing each identified backup file to read the comment, so I just decided a filename-encoded sort order was good enough |
| [15:39:06] | sphery: | FWIW, it works properly with the default file name formats |
| [15:39:28] | wagnerrp: | sphery: i mean it just deletes them sequentially, rather than leave gaps |
| [15:39:53] | wagnerrp: | i.e. leave backups prior to schema updates, leave a backup at one week, two weeks, four weeks, etc... |
| [15:39:54] | sphery: | yeah, oldest out |
| [15:40:02] | sphery: | nothing like that |
| [15:42:06] | sphery: | I felt that users can manually "archive" critical backups from key points to a different directory, so they could always keep the right ones |
| [15:42:56] | sphery: | trying to figure out why Udo says he needs a mobo with integrated AMD GPU |
| [15:43:02] | sphery: | seems really wrong for a mythfrontend box |
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| [15:43:45] | justinh: | because he's umm... erm... thick? :-) |
| [15:44:32] | rooter7: | Well, I've just discovered that MythTV has moved to git. It says 'for instructions on downloading using git go to https://github.com/MythTV'. But there are no instructions there. And there are no instructions in the Myth wiki. |
| [15:44:52] | justinh: | heh |
| [15:45:13] | justinh: | git checkouts are much bigger downloads than svn checkouts |
| [15:45:31] | justinh: | you download the whole lot, then do a 'checkout' when the download is finished |
| [15:45:34] | justinh: | SUCKS |
| [15:45:48] | rooter7: | That's OK. If I only knew how... |
| [15:46:04] | GreyFoxx: | http://code.mythtv.org/trac |
| [15:46:17] | GreyFoxx: | example git lines to pull the source are there |
| [15:46:33] | rooter7: | On the MythTV download page it specifically says, " you will find git checkout instructions at https://github.com/MythTV." |
| [15:46:43] | GreyFoxx: | Then that should be updated :) |
| [15:46:44] | sphery: | justinh: heh, that's probably a good explanation for his gpu choice |
| [15:47:16] | rooter7: | Ugh, thanks GreyFoxx. |
| [15:47:30] | justinh: | ah so I didn't have to grab everything just to get 0.24 ? |
| [15:47:55] | GreyFoxx: | No |
| [15:47:58] | GreyFoxx: | git clone -b fixes/0.24 git://github.com/MythTV/mythtv.git |
| [15:48:01] | justinh: | anyway, whatever. git still sucks goats |
| [15:48:01] | GreyFoxx: | that would have done it |
| [15:48:07] | GreyFoxx: | hehe |
| [15:48:17] | skd5aner: | poor goats |
| [15:48:21] | GreyFoxx: | I've avoid doing any commits since the switch |
| [15:48:21] | rooter7: | It says I can do a git pull to update. But I have alot of patches to add to the code. Won't that mess things up? |
| [15:48:40] | justinh: | rooter7: unless some fool gave you commit access.. |
| [15:48:50] | justinh: | ;) |
| [15:48:57] | rooter7: | No, mess things up for me. |
| [15:49:17] | skd5aner: | rooter7: probably – best to pull to a different spot |
| [15:49:19] | rooter7: | Seems like I should start fresh, like before. |
| [15:50:15] | rooter7: | Has to be a different directory? Can't specify a new directory with a second arg? |
| [15:50:30] | justinh: | nah, it's still off downloading like 150MB of source |
| [15:50:54] | justinh: | or more Receiving objects: 12% (29422/231980), 50.32 MiB | 1.16 MiB/s |
| [15:51:13] | justinh: | that's bloody crazy |
| [15:52:01] | justinh: | uh? Receiving objects: 60% (139636/231980), 130.52 MiB | 1.07 MiB/s |
| [15:53:00] | skd5aner: | It think it's because it downloads EVERY change ever made |
| [15:53:23] | justinh: | but I don't need *every* change ever made |
| [15:53:37] | skd5aner: | Yea – me neither |
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| [15:54:25] | skd5aner: | blame Linus – then blame Beirdo, but take it easy on the second guy – cause he means no harm and is one of the good guys ;) |
| [15:54:33] | justinh: | 353MB in total |
| [15:54:35] | justinh: | wow |
| [15:54:44] | justinh: | that's a lot of sauce |
| [15:55:05] | skd5aner: | I wonder why it can't do that compressed? |
| [15:55:14] | justinh: | there's plenty to blame Linus for. damn opinionated shouty... ^%$%&^ |
| [15:55:16] | skd5aner: | I'm sure the compression rate would be very high |
| [15:56:25] | justinh: | seems everybody + dog has switched to git, for no apparent reason |
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| [15:57:10] | rooter7: | Git use port 9418? I got a timeout. |
| [15:57:25] | wagnerrp: | git uses port 80 |
| [15:57:53] | sphery: | git/http uses 80 |
| [15:58:01] | wagnerrp: | or possibly port 443 |
| [15:58:06] | rooter7: | Nah, I see in services it's 9418 |
| [15:58:17] | wagnerrp: | services? |
| [15:58:26] | rooter7: | Shorewall blocked it. Any way to make it use 80? |
| [15:58:33] | sphery: | list of port numbers with a "human readable service name" |
| [15:58:39] | wagnerrp: | use the https link at the top of the page? |
| [15:58:45] | sphery: | basically so apps can give/use real names versus numbers |
| [15:58:45] | rooter7: | (/etc/services) |
| [15:58:50] | justinh: | time to head home |
| [15:59:30] | sphery: | rooter7: so, yeah, use http to use port 80 and you won't have firewall issues |
| [15:59:59] | wagnerrp: | is it port 80 or port 443? |
| [16:00:03] | sphery: | https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/tree/ , see the "SSH|HTTP|Git Read-Only", hit "HTTP" |
| [16:00:14] | wagnerrp: | considering its an https link, not http |
| [16:00:25] | sphery: | well, 443 |
| [16:00:34] | sphery: | whatever... just not a git-specific port |
| [16:00:42] | wagnerrp: | fair enough |
| [16:00:44] | sphery: | one that's generally usable regardless of firewall settings |
| [16:00:57] | ** sphery wants github to change that button to HTTPS ** | |
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| [16:02:58] | rooter7: | Sworking. Thanks sphery. |
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| [16:04:02] | sphery: | wagnerrp: guess it was http/80 until the media got all up in arms about authentication info/cookies being sent in clear text on github and facebook and the like |
| [16:04:23] | sphery: | so they switched everything on github to https/443, but they didn't actually change the button name... |
| [16:05:31] | rooter7: | -b is not defined in the git man pages |
| [16:06:51] | kormoc: | sphery, file a bug? |
| [16:07:01] | sphery: | heh |
| [16:07:19] | sphery: | last "bug" (FRWOP) I filed there got ignored--don't think it even made it past moderation |
| [16:08:18] | rooter7: | WTH? after the git download it does not say what version it is. How are we supposed to know? |
| [16:09:17] | sphery: | kormoc: (that bug included references to all the past tickets that said they should allow users to disable the keyboard shortcuts on the side, and presented additional arguments for why--including firefox's accessibility.typeaheadfind.autostart and accessibility.typeaheadfind and some other reasons why a browser should, er, act like it acts on every other website in existence) |
| [16:09:23] | sphery: | they didn't seem to like it |
| [16:09:51] | kormoc: | Sadness |
| [16:09:59] | sphery: | so I continually go to a code page in github, then start typing whatever I want to find like "context" and when I hit "c" it takes me to the linked commit |
| [16:10:10] | sphery: | or when I hit an "l" it pops up a "go to line number" dialog |
| [16:10:16] | sphery: | and ... I /hate/ their website |
| [16:10:20] | kormoc: | Chrome won't do type to find because of accessibility reasons |
| [16:10:23] | kormoc: | Understandable |
| [16:10:28] | kormoc: | I wouldn't like that as well |
| [16:11:32] | sphery: | it's as bad as Apple's telling the world that instead of having a single program available on all platforms that can be used to access any information/application/service on the World Wide Web, you have to have a separate "app" for each piece of information/application/service you want to access--oh, and of course, that Apple takes 30% off the top of all app purchases |
| [16:11:59] | sphery: | the world was so nice when browsers were browsers and people used them |
| [16:12:11] | ** sphery might be a big jaded ** | |
| [16:12:14] | sphery: | bit |
| [16:12:27] | kormoc: | heh.... it's still that way, they're just single use browsers now |
| [16:12:31] | ** sid3windr never used type to find, only /typetofind ... :) ** | |
| [16:12:31] | kormoc: | and I like that for some things |
| [16:12:57] | kormoc: | I liked type to find, but I grant you that it is unusual |
| [16:13:31] | sphery: | if we had properly used css media hints, we could still have the "designed specifically for your screen" layouts/formatting and easy-to-use interfaces regardless of display |
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| [16:13:41] | rooter7: | No one knows how to determine the build you've just downloaded? |
| [16:14:06] | kormoc: | via git? uhhh... you cna't? |
| [16:14:17] | sphery: | but since smartphone browsers had to use the normal style instead of handheld ("because we have a full 640x480 screen, so it's obviously good enough to display wikipedia exactly like on a desktop")... |
| [16:14:20] | kormoc: | you can tell which branch but I'm not sure how to get the changeset info |
| [16:14:32] | sphery: | rooter7: git status |
| [16:14:39] | rooter7: | Oh man. SVN used to say it right at the end. |
| [16:14:42] | sphery: | and git describe |
| [16:14:49] | kormoc: | I thought that only showed it when there was a local change |
| [16:14:49] | sphery: | describe gives changeset info |
| [16:15:02] | kormoc: | ahh, describe might be the key |
| [16:15:07] | sphery: | status will show "on branch ..." and show list of files that are modified/uncommitted or added/deleted |
| [16:15:17] | sphery: | and unversioned |
| [16:15:21] | kormoc: | right, but if there are no local changes, there's no info |
| [16:15:51] | rooter7: | git describe https://github.com/MythTV/myththemes.git |
| [16:15:53] | rooter7: | fatal: Not a git repository (or any of the parent directories): .git |
| [16:16:01] | kormoc: | you can't work on remote repos with git |
| [16:16:03] | kormoc: | you have to check it out |
| [16:16:12] | kormoc: | or rather, clone |
| [16:16:30] | rooter7: | Have it cloned. But how to apply describe? |
| [16:16:31] | sphery: | kormoc: you get: http://pastebin.com/Hc1fMM6F |
| [16:16:44] | sphery: | rooter7: cd mythtv ; git describe |
| [16:16:46] | kormoc: | sphery, sure, but no revision info |
| [16:16:51] | sphery: | yeah |
| [16:16:55] | kormoc: | sphery, to get branch info, it's better to use git branch |
| [16:16:58] | sphery: | if you just want branch, status works. |
| [16:17:08] | kormoc: | well, it doesn't tell you which master... |
| [16:17:18] | kormoc: | remote/master vs local/master |
| [16:17:27] | rooter7: | Thanks again sphery. So I seem to have v0.24-253-g16775c5 |
| [16:17:35] | sphery: | every time I've tried git branch, it actually created a new branch |
| [16:17:40] | kormoc: | ugh |
| [16:17:50] | sphery: | but it's probably because I'm using it wrong |
| [16:18:05] | sphery: | git branch with no args doesn't seem to work |
| [16:18:17] | rooter7: | Is the build 253-g16775c5? |
| [16:18:25] | kormoc: | sphery, it works for me |
| [16:18:53] | sphery: | ok, not sure what's happened, then |
| [16:18:54] | kormoc: | sphery, http://pastebin.com/7BJNMkDT |
| [16:19:17] | sphery: | I guess since I've done the wrong thing with it, I just always stay away from it |
| [16:19:27] | sphery: | and, yeah, it just worked for me, too |
| [16:19:28] | kormoc: | tho I guess the real one is `git branch -a` |
| [16:23:11] | rooter7: | If git describe says v0.24-253-g16775c5, is the build 253-g16775c5? or 16775? |
| [16:25:24] | kormoc: | v0.24-253-g16775c5 |
| [16:27:19] | rooter7: | K. Once I've cloned, how to simply update? |
| [16:27:32] | sphery: | means you're using fixes/0.24 branch, 253 changes after the 0.24 tag, and you have revision 16775c5 |
| [16:27:36] | sphery: | git pull |
| [16:27:51] | sphery: | (in other words, you have 253 fixes since the 0.24 tarball) |
| [16:28:00] | rooter7: | TY. |
| [16:30:33] | rooter7: | The correct command would be? git pull -b fixes/0.24 https://github.com/MythTV/myththemes.git |
| [16:31:21] | sphery: | no, just git pull |
| [16:31:34] | sphery: | from inside the mythtv (or mythweb) directory |
| [16:31:45] | rooter7: | Ah. |
| [16:32:20] | sphery: | it already knows which repo it's following, and git pull will pull all changes from all branches (but since you're only "viewing" fixes/0.24, you'll only directly see the changes in -fixes) |
| [16:33:18] | wagnerrp: | rooter7: the correct pull would be to not do so at all |
| [16:33:24] | wagnerrp: | you should not be pulling the themes repo |
| [16:33:36] | wagnerrp: | use the theme chooser in the frontend |
| [16:34:19] | sphery: | yes, definitely |
| [16:34:24] | rooter7: | Oh. It takes care of that now? |
| [16:34:31] | sphery: | only repos you need are mythtv, mythweb, and--if desired--nuvexport |
| [16:34:42] | wagnerrp: | sphery: why do you think we get so many Mac ads on the wiki? |
| [16:35:06] | rooter7: | No extras? |
| [16:35:20] | wagnerrp: | ive never seen any spam for windows software and websites |
| [16:35:25] | sphery: | rooter7: the theme chooser allows you to select from a much larger list of themes than the 3 in myththemes repo |
| [16:35:32] | sphery: | Utilities/Setup|Setup|Theme Chooser |
| [16:35:33] | wagnerrp: | just porn, essay writing services, and Mac websites |
| [16:35:49] | sphery: | you've seen porn ads on our wiki? |
| [16:35:54] | sphery: | oh, spam... |
| [16:35:55] | sphery: | got it |
| [16:36:07] | kormoc: | it's just wagner's targeted advertising |
| [16:36:11] | sphery: | heh |
| [16:36:27] | sphery: | I think kormoc is pushing the mac spam--to try to get users to use real systems instead of Atom systems :) |
| [16:36:41] | sphery: | it definitely wouldn't be me--since I love Atom |
| [16:36:56] | wagnerrp: | no, this most recent one was for software to transcode/stream to the appletv |
| [16:37:07] | sphery: | heh, which is worse than Atom |
| [16:37:07] | kormoc: | playon? |
| [16:37:20] | sphery: | I still want to know how PlayOn hasn't been sued out of existence |
| [16:37:40] | sphery: | as it's so obviously a direct violation of ToS of many of the services it's allows access to |
| [16:37:45] | sphery: | (including Hulu) |
| [16:38:03] | wagnerrp: | no, ifunia garbage |
| [16:38:04] | sphery: | I can't wait 'til the Hulu contracts expire this year and it either goes under or goes subscription |
| [16:38:21] | kormoc: | hulu plus? |
| [16:39:48] | rooter7: | Does the extras git have anything useful? |
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| [16:40:27] | sphery: | kormoc: yeah, but I mean only subscription |
| [16:40:59] | sphery: | rooter7: only if you want to modify our git hooks or trac plugins |
| [16:41:22] | rooter7: | {hehe} That's not likely... |
| [16:41:30] | sphery: | actually, some people may use the logos--but be careful, since they're meant mainly for approved stuff (like themes or whatever) |
| [16:41:51] | sphery: | could use it for creating a personal T-shirt, but not for creating a T-shirt to sell, etc. |
| [16:43:30] | rooter7: | does the make in mythtv also compile plugins? |
| [16:43:57] | wagnerrp: | if you are 'make'ing in the plugin directory |
| [16:44:16] | rooter7: | Ah. |
| [16:44:35] | sphery: | meaning you'll need to cd into mythtv/mythtv to build (and you need to install) mythtv, then you can cd into mythtv/mythplugins to build mythplugins |
| [16:44:43] | sphery: | can't build mythplugins until you have installed mythtv |
| [16:45:07] | rooter7: | Gotcha. Thx. |
| [16:46:21] | rooter7: | I wish the themes would have more channels and times on the Program Guide screen. I have a 12' screen and always have to hand modify these files... |
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| [16:53:14] | sphery: | rooter7: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/478203#478203 |
| [16:53:29] | sphery: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Theme_Teams |
| [16:57:34] | wagnerrp: | hahahaha |
| [16:58:26] | wagnerrp: | man is driving him and his accomplices away from a store robbery, when he accidentally butt-dials 911, and proceeds to discuss the plans for the stolen loot while the dispatcher is listening in |
| [16:58:53] | sphery: | heh |
| [16:59:03] | skd5aner: | had to be divine intervention |
| [17:00:53] | wagnerrp: | hitachi 5400rpm 2TB for $65 on newegg |
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| [17:02:04] | rooter7: | Interesting sphery. I'll see about signing up. |
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| [17:03:43] | rooter7: | However my compile has failed. I have the R5000 for my HTPC, and the patch is borking the compile. Need to somehow get that working first. |
| [17:04:44] | rooter7: | The R5000 is such a great device. I've used it for years with Myth, and Alan's kept it going, but now he's disconnected Dish. |
| [17:05:41] | sphery: | rooter7: it's just getting started... which theme are you using that you regularly modify? |
| [17:05:57] | wagnerrp: | well... except the device is almost certainly in violation of the terms of service of whatever subscription you are using it with |
| [17:06:13] | wagnerrp: | which is why we refuse to support it in mythtv |
| [17:07:07] | sphery: | still better than some of the "I have an unusual setup. Think R5000." users |
| [17:07:35] | rooter7: | wagnerrp: if the r5000 is a violation, so is the hdpvr. The Windows DVR software (S????) has R5000 functionality. It was political here. |
| [17:08:10] | wagnerrp: | no, the HDPVR captures the analog output of your STB |
| [17:08:15] | wagnerrp: | the r5000 /is/ the STB |
| [17:08:59] | wagnerrp: | specifically, a hacked STB that taps into the digital output of the decrypter before being sent to the decoder |
| [17:09:01] | sphery: | modified, against the tos of dish network |
| [17:09:08] | rooter7: | sphery: I like the dark themes. Currently using Mythbuntu 1. |
| [17:09:24] | sphery: | rooter7: excellent... mythbuntu is one where the dev is looking for help... :) |
| [17:09:43] | sphery: | pretty sure, at least... he hasn't updated the page, yet |
| [17:10:03] | rooter7: | wagnerrp: I'm not going to argue this all over again. The decision was made; I lost. The windows app developers have no such concerns. |
| [17:10:13] | sphery: | feel free to contact him... that theme is currently in myththemes, but I think he also added a repo at github |
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| [17:11:04] | rooter7: | sphery: k. Gotta get my compile first tho. That'll be a while since I'm desperately trying to make a living elsewhere. |
| [17:11:06] | sphery: | https://github.com/gbutters/Mythbuntu ... I need to get in touch with him and see if he wants to switch to the external repo (where he can commit--and grant commit privs to team members) or if he wants to keep it in myththemes |
| [17:11:49] | sphery: | anyway... I'll try to get in touch with him and figure it out and update the theme teams page |
| [17:12:46] | sphery: | and if he is looking for help, any user of the theme who makes modifications to it that are likely usable by most users could help out by submitting patches/pull request/whatever or, if the theme author agrees, by getting commit access |
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| [17:15:54] | rooter7: | SageTV is the windows dvr software that has r5000 support built in. |
| [17:16:14] | rooter7: | http://www.nextcomwireless.com/R5000/sagetv.htm |
| [17:16:23] | rooter7: | It was political here. |
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| [17:17:53] | sphery: | political meaning that they chose to support it after some argument? |
| [17:18:01] | sphery: | was it the same argument about dish tos? |
| [17:18:18] | rooter7: | Nah, one or two were exerting their influence and denied it. |
| [17:18:33] | sphery: | but they were overruled by a majority? |
| [17:18:33] | rooter7: | King of the hill Much more prevalent then, than now. |
| [17:19:09] | rooter7: | No majority. We are admittedly few. But had active, involved development. |
| [17:19:44] | sphery: | I was trying to find the DISH TOS, but I can't find it |
| [17:19:56] | sphery: | it specifically forbids modification of equipment used to access the signal |
| [17:20:32] | rooter7: | That is a charade. Save has no such concerns, and they are a commercial entity, paying no royalties to Dish.. |
| [17:20:38] | rooter7: | Sage |
| [17:21:59] | rooter7: | We are open source. The fright was unbased, particularly since a cease and decist and opportunity to cure always far precedes any sort of action. And this has -never- been done to Sage. |
| [17:22:18] | rooter7: | It was political. |
| [17:22:48] | rooter7: | I've noticed that since the politics have subsided here, development has sped up. |
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| [17:23:54] | sphery: | ah, there: http://www.dishnetwork.com/legal/default.aspx . In RCA.pdf, section 4, paragraph G, "Proprietary Components and Software" |
| [17:24:21] | wagnerrp: | section 4 subsection G: You agree that you will not try to reverse-engineer, decompile or disassemble, nor will you tamper with or modify, and software or hardware contained within any receiver or Smart Card.' |
| [17:24:32] | rooter7: | It doesn't matter. |
| [17:24:33] | sphery: | "You agree that you will not try to reverse-engineer, decompile or disassemble, nor will you tamper with or modify, any software or hardware contained within any receiver or Smart Card. Such actions are strictly prohibited and may result in the termination of this Agreement, disconnection of your Services and/or legal action." |
| [17:24:50] | sphery: | anyway, we won't support it because we don't want to be sued |
| [17:25:00] | sphery: | because we don't have a Class C corporation protecting our homes and income |
| [17:25:03] | rooter7: | Plese see above. |
| [17:25:28] | wagnerrp: | so sage decided to take the risk, we chose not to |
| [17:25:42] | sphery: | not to mention that we actually feel that users should abide by the terms and conditions of the contracts into which they enter with programming providers |
| [17:25:53] | wagnerrp: | according to the TOS, users are not allowed to modify receivers so as to use the r5000 mod |
| [17:26:22] | wagnerrp: | if they purchase their own hardware, they can do whatever they want to it, but are still not allowed to access dish network with it |
| [17:26:47] | rooter7: | Thanks for your input. I'll give it due consideration. |
| [17:26:53] | sphery: | no need to |
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| [17:27:05] | sphery: | you only need to respect our decision to not support R5000 :) |
| [17:32:09] | sphery: | ooh, stuarta is back and committing! |
| [17:35:11] | sphery: | wagnerrp: on the github hook, is it possible to make the Trac comments include the branch (at least when it's not master)? On http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/9761 , https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/16775 . . . 664007268ca/ is in -fixes, but not master, so... |
| [17:35:33] | sphery: | could be confusing to someone reading the ticket, since github doesn't actually tell us which branch it's in |
| [17:35:46] | sphery: | only reason I noticed is because of the commit mail messages |
| [17:36:21] | wagnerrp: | you mean instead of just saying 'changeset'? |
| [17:36:29] | sphery: | well, along with changeset |
| [17:36:41] | sphery: | since github doesn't seem to indicate branch on the linked changeset page |
| [17:36:52] | wagnerrp: | sure, the information is available |
| [17:37:30] | sphery: | nice |
| [17:37:31] | wagnerrp: | of course part of the problem is stuarta keeps using 'refs' rather than 'fixes' or 'closes' |
| [17:37:45] | sphery: | yeah, I'm guessing he didn't close/fix since it's not in master |
| [17:37:56] | wagnerrp: | doesnt matter |
| [17:38:28] | sphery: | though I'd argue instead of fixing the symptom, we should fix the problem (in master)... i.e. figure out why we're trying to kill a null-ed thread and make sure we don't even try in the first place and that we always shut down the thread properly |
| [17:38:46] | sphery: | or are you saying the change/patch/code doesn't apply in master |
| [17:38:53] | sphery: | (in which case the workaround is fine) |
| [17:39:06] | wagnerrp: | oh... youre saying it was fixed in -fixes, but the problem still exists in master |
| [17:39:27] | sphery: | yeah... fixing a symptom in -fixes is fine when the code is fixed properly in master |
| [17:39:42] | sphery: | I'm assuming it also exists in master, though I haven't actually tested/seen it |
| [17:39:52] | wagnerrp: | meaning the issue hasnt been properly fixed, which is why the ticket is still open |
| [17:39:56] | sphery: | granted, I haven't seen it on -fixes, either, and I run -fixes in production |
| [17:40:03] | sphery: | yeah, I think that's why it's open |
| [17:47:46] | skd5aner: | since when has this place gotten less "political"? :S lol |
| [17:48:02] | wagnerrp: | ok, added |
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| [17:48:11] | wagnerrp: | commit hook now adds branch as well as commit |
| [17:48:22] | skd5aner: | about time! |
| [17:48:24] | skd5aner: | ;) |
| [17:55:08] | sphery: | wagnerrp: thx |
| [17:55:25] | sphery: | once again, you've overcome github deficiencies for us :) |
| [17:55:38] | wagnerrp: | although right now, it only functions on the 'master' and 'fixes/*' branches |
| [17:55:50] | sphery: | now if only we could get all the commits (including ones not linked to tickets) into Trac... |
| [17:55:54] | wagnerrp: | i should probably allow non-close operations from the feature branches |
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| [18:16:23] | wagnerrp: | ok, feature branches are now processed by the commit hook |
| [18:16:31] | wagnerrp: | but they will only reference a commit |
| [18:16:38] | wagnerrp: | they will not close or set the milestone |
| [18:17:38] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: as i understand it, when a feature branch gets merged, all those commits will not pass back through the commit hook, correct? |
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| [18:27:22] | sphery: | grrr... the guy completely ignored my replies to him? |
| [18:27:26] | sphery: | http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/9764 |
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| [18:29:14] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: awesome... that'll really be good |
| [18:39:29] | sphery: | wagnerrp: btw, have you taken a look at Beirdo's mythtv-logging branch? I ripped out the DB logging API, which likely means that your Python MythLog interface is broken, now. |
| [18:39:54] | sphery: | er, new-logging branch |
| [18:40:34] | sphery: | the idea behind it was to use a single logging command, that can write info to any "sink" (DB, file, stdout/err, syslog, ...) |
| [18:40:59] | sphery: | If you need a new proto or service command to do python logging, please let me know and we can get one added |
| [18:41:38] | ** sphery says this as he looks at a python script for the first time to try to figure out how to write a mythjobqueue idle checker script ** | |
| [18:51:09] | wagnerrp: | sphery: to be honest, my DB logging stuff is practically disabled anyway |
| [18:51:38] | wagnerrp: | its intentionally undocumented |
| [18:53:39] | sphery: | ah, if that's the case, I guess we can take care of it after new-logging is merged into master? |
| [18:53:56] | wagnerrp: | sphery: #9672 has an example of the new branch indicato |
| [18:54:02] | sphery: | for some strange reason, writing python scripts reminds me a lot of writing logo code |
| [18:54:36] | sphery: | nice. I love it |
| [18:54:42] | sphery: | (the new branch stuff) |
| [18:54:55] | sphery: | thanks for doing that--and for doing it so fast |
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| [19:05:12] | skd5aner: | sphery: worth calling out in the release notes – http://www.mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-fireho . . . /000087.html ? |
| [19:11:35] | sphery: | skd5aner: not really--it's only a fix that fixed something that was broken by a previous post-0.24 change |
| [19:12:13] | skd5aner: | k |
| [19:12:26] | sphery: | however, the changes in 3364c44e4 are worth calling out (that users will need to ensure they have grants for localhost on mysql even if they specify 127.0.0.1 for hostname) |
| [19:12:44] | skd5aner: | it's very hard for me to tell sometimes when something mentions that it fixes a problem, weither or not the problem existed in the current release or only in trunk |
| [19:12:52] | sphery: | weird... getting a nice pink unicorn at https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/03f345115 |
| [19:13:14] | sphery: | seems github's code viewer is down? |
| [19:13:21] | sphery: | All systems operational |
| [19:13:28] | skd5aner: | wasn't a min ago |
| [19:13:32] | sphery: | hmmm.... something's not right here |
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| [19:13:55] | sphery: | on say, https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/3364c44e4 , are you getting "Page did not respond in a timely fashion." |
| [19:13:56] | skd5aner: | yea, all links appear to be doing it for me now |
| [19:14:12] | sphery: | that's what github gets for relying on pink unicorns to power their site |
| [19:14:20] | sphery: | everyone knows you can't trust the pink one |
| [19:14:34] | wagnerrp: | works for me |
| [19:14:39] | sphery: | and it's back now |
| [19:14:40] | skd5aner: | http://search.twitter.com/search?q=github |
| [19:15:03] | sphery: | heh |
| [19:15:18] | skd5aner: | when you absolutely need to know if everyone else is b**ching about the same thing... real-time twitter search |
| [19:15:27] | sphery: | that newfangled media... everything anyone thinks indexed |
| [19:16:05] | sphery: | on the bright side, I got to see the pink unicorn |
| [19:16:34] | jams: | sphery- is that anything like the sql fairy |
| [19:16:42] | sphery: | strange it's not a Tauntaun, to go with their 404 page |
| [19:16:51] | sphery: | heh, I've never seen the sql fairy |
| [19:17:15] | sphery: | for those who haven't seen it: http://www.flickr.com/photos/cv47al/4337354455/ |
| [19:17:21] | skd5aner: | http://www.thinkgeek.com/geektoys/plush/bb2e/ |
| [19:17:24] | sphery: | though the mesage was slightly different |
| [19:17:47] | jams: | sphery- sqlfairy.sourceforge.net |
| [19:17:51] | sphery: | heh, yeah, that's an especially good thinkgeek item--since it was originally an april fools' joke |
| [19:18:03] | sphery: | (but became real due to cries from customers) |
| [19:18:15] | sphery: | woah, that's on ugly fairy |
| [19:18:31] | jams: | i love that picture |
| [19:18:36] | skd5aner: | http://www.thinkgeek.com/geektoys/plush/bb2e/action/ &nd ash; holy cow, lots of user pics |
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| [19:19:07] | sphery: | it is a well-loved item |
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| [19:29:36] | skd5aner: | are php bindings something that are post 0.24? |
| [19:31:24] | wagnerrp: | yes, 0.25 only |
| [19:33:00] | skd5aner: | it was decoupled from mythweb right? |
| [19:33:24] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [19:36:22] | skd5aner: | sphery: http://status.github.com/ |
| [19:39:55] | sphery: | I for one welcome our new database overload |
| [19:40:20] | sphery: | funny that the status update--including the failure message--occurred after the stabilization |
| [19:41:07] | sphery: | that's kind of like how my cable internet provider has a web page for me to check to see if there are problems with the network before contacting them when my Internet service is down |
| [19:41:21] | sphery: | (aka, not too helpful) |
| [19:43:43] | dewman: | I think thats a little pricey for a sleeping bag....I got a sharpie and some cardboard.... ;) |
| [19:44:18] | sphery: | heh, sleeping on cardboard would be less comfy than sleeping in a real tauntaun |
| [19:44:45] | sphery: | now if you just used the cardboard as decoration on a real sleeping bag, it wouldn't be so bad... |
| [19:45:30] | dewman: | but it wouldn't require a shower afterwards.. hehe |
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| [19:46:26] | sphery: | wagnerrp: I'm loving the python bindings--they're simple enough to use that even someone like me (who's not well suited to wrangling garter snakes, let alone pythons) can figure it out. |
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| [19:49:20] | dewman: | is there such thing as cobra bindings? |
| [19:50:05] | sphery: | heh, not for mythtv |
| [19:50:14] | sphery: | we only accept bindings for languages whose names start with p |
| [19:50:18] | sphery: | PHP, Perl, Python |
| [19:50:26] | dewman: | hehe |
| [19:51:08] | sphery: | we still need someone to do the PostScript bindings for MythTV |
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| [19:52:07] | wagnerrp: | postscript bindings? |
| [19:52:16] | wagnerrp: | would that be to print out recordings frame by frame? |
| [19:52:38] | sphery: | heh, allows you to access mythtv data directly from inside your postscript document |
| [19:53:00] | sphery: | so you can create a document showing the 10 most recent recordings or the upcoming recording conflicts :) |
| [19:53:37] | dewman: | don't forget PC-Load_letter! |
| [19:54:27] | sphery: | wagnerrp: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PostScript#The_language |
| [19:55:27] | sphery: | looks like we have several other languages we need, too: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_programming_languages#Pit |
| [19:56:00] | sphery: | PL/SQL ones will be tough |
| [19:57:02] | sphery: | heh, there's a PEARL language |
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| [20:00:35] | sphery: | wagnerrp: so for the job_queue_idle.py, if I have a job whose hostname is the current hosts, which statuses should I consider idle/not idle? https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/blob/master/ . . . atic.py#L133 |
| [20:01:14] | sphery: | I'm thinking queued, pending, starting, running, stopping are not idle... not sure about paused or retry. the rest = idle? |
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| [20:01:35] | wagnerrp: | its a bitmask |
| [20:01:50] | wagnerrp: | Job.status & Job.DONE |
| [20:02:07] | sphery: | right, but need to take into account the others |
| [20:02:20] | sphery: | unless you're saying that it will always include done even if it's got errored or something |
| [20:02:21] | wagnerrp: | DONE takes into account the others |
| [20:02:24] | sphery: | ahh, ok |
| [20:02:39] | wagnerrp: | '&' is a bitwise operator |
| [20:03:00] | wagnerrp: | if (Job.status & Job.DONE): print 'the job has completed' |
| [20:03:09] | sphery: | so if one is unknown, will it eventually get to done? |
| [20:03:23] | wagnerrp: | that.... im not sure |
| [20:03:57] | sphery: | well, I'll start with the simple, and it can be extended :) |
| [20:04:01] | sphery: | start with just done |
| [20:04:18] | sphery: | any good way to automatically get the current hostname in use by mythtv? |
| [20:04:33] | sphery: | i.e. LocalHostName override or hostname, as will be used by mythjobqueue? |
| [20:04:34] | wagnerrp: | part of MythDB i believe |
| [20:04:36] | sphery: | thx |
| [20:04:37] | wagnerrp: | getHostName or something |
| [20:04:54] | wagnerrp: | it reads it from the config.xml, and otherwise uses the system hostname |
| [20:06:10] | sphery: | so if a job is queued, I'm assuming no hostname means any host can do it, and a specific hostname says only that host? |
| [20:13:22] | wagnerrp: | a job can be queued with or without a hostname |
| [20:13:34] | wagnerrp: | if there is a hostname set, only that host will pick it up |
| [20:13:46] | wagnerrp: | when a job is picked up by a specific jobqueue, the hostname gets set |
| [20:14:06] | sphery: | cool |
| [20:14:45] | sphery: | so any not done jobs with hostname = DB.gethostname() or blank hostname means we're not idle-able |
| [20:16:27] | wagnerrp: | not entirely |
| [20:16:40] | wagnerrp: | you may want to check the settings table options whether a job can be run on that host |
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| [20:23:55] | sphery: | good idea |
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| [20:50:24] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: not 100% sure, it might push the old branch's commits through, or it might just show the merge |
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| [21:03:31] | sphery: | wagnerrp: got a script that does any command-line arg parsing in python? (I can just fake it with a specific check, but figured if there's a "preferred" way for python, I should use it) |
| [21:03:38] | sphery: | only arg I have is a verbosity arg |
| [21:03:46] | sphery: | (totally faked right now) |
| [21:04:04] | wagnerrp: | look at the optparse module |
| [21:04:09] | sphery: | thx |
| [21:04:19] | wagnerrp: | and the MythLog module accepts the mythtv version string |
| [21:04:34] | sphery: | assuming that's core python... |
| [21:04:35] | wagnerrp: | s/version/verbosity/ |
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| [21:04:44] | wagnerrp: | yes, core |
| [21:04:50] | sphery: | heh, seems it's switching to argparse in 2.7| |
| [21:04:52] | sphery: | + |
| [21:05:03] | wagnerrp: | check the handful of scripts i have on the wiki, i use it in many of them |
| [21:05:09] | sphery: | cool |
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| [21:05:26] | sphery: | was using those to figure out how python works, but hadn't found one using args |
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| [22:10:16] | Beirdo: | interesting... wagnerrp: on #9756, it saw me merge the fix into new-logging :) |
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| [23:09:00] | high-rez: | Any of you know if bluray menus should be working now in head/master/trunk/whatever it is? |
| [23:16:22] | sphery: | Beirdo: heh, glad it puts the name Github on the trac comment so people don't think I did it twice :) |
| [23:17:12] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [23:17:29] | Beirdo: | it made me scratch my head for a sec here |
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| [23:40:49] | lwizardl: | I know you can watch net streams on mythtv but would there be a way to videos from my home mythtv DVR from another location using a VPN ? |
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| [23:42:41] | kormoc: | if your connection is fast enough, sure |
| [23:44:39] | lwizardl: | well my home network is (where my dvr is) 16MB down and 5mb up and my work connection is constantly showing up as 28mb down and 10mb up |
| [23:44:58] | kormoc: | welp, you're limited to anything that 5mbit or less per second then |
| [23:44:58] | lwizardl: | I don't plan to do any HD content just standard stuff |
| [23:45:08] | lwizardl: | yeah |
| [23:45:53] | high-rez: | Even HD is fine with 5megabit if its encoded well enough :) |
| [23:46:01] | lwizardl: | currently what I have been doing is just transfering the shows to my laptop and watching them during the slow times at work |
| [23:46:32] | lwizardl: | but watching it via the net would give me quick access to the shows recorded |
| [23:46:58] | lwizardl: | high-rez, yeah I have some so called HD shows but they are divx encodes from someone else |
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| [23:55:21] | sphery: | /msg MythLogBot delete last comment |
| [23:55:36] | sphery: | (we don't speak of sharing shows in here) |
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