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| [00:14:47] | upgrdman: | where do i set the backend server ip for the client? |
| [00:15:51] | wagnerrp: | the client doesnt run a backend, there is no need to set an IP |
| [00:16:36] | upgrdman: | nm, figured it out. |
| [00:16:56] | upgrdman: | i needed to run backend setup and change an ip |
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| [00:22:03] | wagnerrp: | on the backend, not the client |
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| [01:05:03] | wagnerrp: | stupid cbs... no one cares about indiana and their elections |
| [01:05:57] | kormoc: | What about Canada's? |
| [01:06:15] | wagnerrp: | i dont have canadian election tickers over my ncis recording |
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| [01:34:19] | hooliowobbits: | "Typically you may open multiple terminals to view tail -f of multiple files.. |
| [01:34:36] | hooliowobbits: | or use multitail |
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| [01:36:47] | k-man: | anyone noticed problems with teletext subtitles in recent builds? |
| [01:37:36] | wagnerrp: | of course if you use multitail, those files are all mixed together and its hard to follow what anything is doing |
| [01:37:47] | markk: | k-man: trunk or 0.24-fixes? |
| [01:38:08] | hooliowobbits: | wagnerrp: yeah |
| [01:38:22] | hooliowobbits: | hoping i can get the filename prepended at the start of the line |
| [01:38:59] | k-man: | markk, 0.24-fixes |
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| [01:39:50] | k-man: | I have found that it only seems to show the tail end of every 4–5 subtitle – most subtitles do no show up |
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| [01:40:54] | k-man: | I'm only guessing, but it appears as though maybe lines 1 and 2 of a subtitle do not render on screen, but line 3 does... so if its a 1–2 line subtitle, it does not show up, but sometimes when the subtitle is long enough, you just see the last bit of it |
| [01:41:36] | k-man: | its been a couple of weeks since I did the pull from git though |
| [01:44:12] | markk: | k-man: best thing to do is create a ticket for me on trac, attach full output -v playback logs and ideally a short (30second) clip that I can test with. I don't remember any changes to teletext in fixes for a while, so may also be worth testing some older recordings, if you have any, and see if the broadcaster has changed something. |
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| [01:44:47] | k-man: | markk, ah ok, thanks for the pointers |
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| [01:45:28] | k-man: | markk, it might take me a few days to get around to it but I'll try and get it done soon |
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| [01:46:33] | markk: | k-man: no rush:) |
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| [01:48:37] | k-man: | I should (in hindsight) note down the version I'm using before doing a new build, in case there is some regression, I could them compare the two versions to see where the regression happened |
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| [01:50:30] | hooliowobbits: | i have a hdhomerun networked tuner |
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| [01:50:42] | hooliowobbits: | which i added to myth using its device id |
| [01:50:47] | hooliowobbits: | the device has 2 tuners |
| [01:51:06] | hooliowobbits: | before i added that device i had no tuners |
| [01:51:11] | hooliowobbits: | now myth shows 4 |
| [01:51:11] | hooliowobbits: | ? |
| [01:51:22] | wagnerrp: | correct |
| [01:51:37] | hooliowobbits: | why? |
| [01:51:57] | wagnerrp: | digital broadcasts are not a single video stream, but rather a generic data stream |
| [01:52:08] | wagnerrp: | each physical channel can carry multiple video streams |
| [01:52:23] | hooliowobbits: | multiplexing |
| [01:52:33] | hooliowobbits: | (?) |
| [01:52:37] | kormoc: | yes |
| [01:52:39] | wagnerrp: | since a tuner capture the entire physical channel, it can capture multiple video streams simultaneously |
| [01:52:55] | wagnerrp: | having multiple virtual tuners is how mythtv resolves this with the scheduler |
| [01:53:03] | hooliowobbits: | ok |
| [01:53:20] | hooliowobbits: | how many streams can be captured per physical channel? |
| [01:53:29] | wagnerrp: | mythtv has a soft limit of 5 |
| [01:53:32] | wagnerrp: | default is 2 |
| [01:53:35] | hooliowobbits: | ok |
| [01:53:38] | wagnerrp: | its configured in the card setup |
| [01:53:42] | hooliowobbits: | ok |
| [01:53:54] | wagnerrp: | one of the advanced options for the hdhr, in the same screen that you set the deviceid |
| [01:54:02] | hooliowobbits: | ok |
| [01:54:09] | hooliowobbits: | makes sense. ta |
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| [01:54:17] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: you think it would be hard to just hide those? |
| [01:54:29] | kormoc: | hide what? |
| [01:54:35] | wagnerrp: | remove them from the input selection in the UI, remove them from the backend status page |
| [01:54:37] | wagnerrp: | the virtual tuners |
| [01:54:40] | kormoc: | ahh |
| [01:54:43] | wagnerrp: | make it appear as just one tuner |
| [01:54:44] | kormoc: | should be easy |
| [01:54:53] | wagnerrp: | so people stop asking these questions out of confusion |
| [01:54:54] | kormoc: | but the backend status page is useful to have them |
| [01:55:01] | kormoc: | (at least when they're recording) |
| [01:55:03] | wagnerrp: | how so? |
| [01:55:09] | hooliowobbits: | or somehow differentiate whats a physical one and what is a virtual one |
| [01:55:16] | wagnerrp: | nah, just have it show a list of recordings it is managing |
| [01:55:26] | wagnerrp: | multiple recordings against one tuner |
| [01:55:26] | kormoc: | hrm |
| [01:55:29] | kormoc: | perhaps |
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| [02:54:28] | wagnerrp: | hooliowobbits: please bottom-post on the mailing list |
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| [03:10:58] | Russ: | I'm getting a weird mythweb error that I can't find any info on |
| [03:11:05] | Russ: | "error string: !!NoTrans: SQL Error: Unknown column 'future' in 'where clause' [#1054]!!" |
| [03:11:10] | Russ: | http://pastebin.com/F8bJqbhe |
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| [03:12:23] | Russ: | the frontend works fine |
| [03:12:55] | wagnerrp: | are you the one who file the trac ticket i closed? |
| [03:13:02] | wagnerrp: | *filed |
| [03:13:30] | Russ: | no |
| [03:13:36] | Russ: | I haven't filed a trac ticket yet |
| [03:14:05] | wagnerrp: | well i just closed an identical one |
| [03:14:10] | wagnerrp: | are you running 0.24 or 0.25? |
| [03:14:11] | Russ: | mysqlcheck [..] mythconverg says everything is ok |
| [03:14:30] | Russ: | 0.24+fixes20110426–0.0 |
| [03:14:51] | wagnerrp: | well that column was added about half a dozen schema versions beyond 0.24 |
| [03:15:10] | wagnerrp: | which means youre trying to run 0.25 mythweb against a 0.24 database and backend |
| [03:15:20] | Russ: | odd...maybe my mythweb version is too new? |
| [03:15:21] | wagnerrp: | (same problem as the ticket i closed) |
| [03:15:37] | Russ: | claims 0.24+fixes20110426–0.1 |
| [03:15:57] | Russ: | anywhere I can check the version other than the package? |
| [03:15:57] | wagnerrp: | what claims? |
| [03:16:02] | Russ: | dpkg -s mythweb |
| [03:16:09] | wagnerrp: | what distro? |
| [03:16:34] | Russ: | debian with debian-multimedia.org |
| [03:17:10] | wagnerrp: | well then you need to inform debian-multimedia that their packages are broken |
| [03:18:19] | wagnerrp: | im a bit surprised 0.25 mythweb even gets that far without complaining about a lack of php bindings |
| [03:18:20] | Russ: | I think the mythtv packages came from debian proper, but I'm not completely sure |
| [03:19:34] | Russ: | ah, nevermind, they do come from debian-multimedia |
| [03:21:24] | sphery: | I'm thinking users are still using 0.23 mythweb with 0.24 backends |
| [03:21:41] | sphery: | or, yeah, unstable--whatever |
| [03:23:09] | Russ: | went back to 0.24+fixes20101231–0.1 (mythweb) and all is well |
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| [04:05:51] | trumee: | i think i may have found a bug in myth-0.24-fixes. The TV Settings>Playback OSD>Browse all channels seems to be broken after a computer restart |
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| [04:07:49] | trumee: | i have a analogue tuner card + settop box, thus have duplicate channels on both of them. If i uncheck "Browse all channels" then i dont get any duplicate entries in Program guide which is what i want. Hoewever, on a system restart i start getting the duplicate channels in guide even though the "Browse all channels" is unchecked. |
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| [04:39:04] | interpolate: | hey all, i've got a xpert pvr-878 hooked up directly to my cable line and I can see tv fine in tvtime, i just cant get mythtv to find any channels, the modprobe.d file i added is here http://pastie.org/1862994 |
| [04:40:26] | [R]: | ug |
| [04:40:32] | [R]: | is that a framegrabber? |
| [04:40:43] | ** [R] vomits on bttv ** | |
| [04:40:53] | [R]: | interpolate: what do you mean "find"? |
| [04:41:16] | interpolate: | when i'm trying to scan for channels to populate the database from myth-backend |
| [04:41:25] | [R]: | you dont scan analog |
| [04:41:46] | interpolate: | have to pull a list from somewhere? |
| [04:42:24] | [R]: | you mean kinda like the guide data that you need to maek myth useful? |
| [04:42:43] | interpolate: | yea sounds about right |
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| [04:44:15] | wagnerrp: | interpolate: what country are you in? |
| [04:44:32] | interpolate: | texas, united states |
| [04:44:46] | wagnerrp: | then you should be pulling your analog lineup from your schedules direct account |
| [04:44:57] | wagnerrp: | you should not be scanning |
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| [04:45:42] | interpolate: | i'm sure i'm coming off rather stupid. this is my first go around with mythtv. |
| [04:46:11] | wagnerrp: | mythtv is not really intended as livetv, it is intended for scheduled recordings |
| [04:46:31] | wagnerrp: | even for live tv, you still want use of the electronic program guide, so you need guide data |
| [04:46:51] | wagnerrp: | in north america, that guide data is provided by schedules direct |
| [04:47:08] | wagnerrp: | they also provide analog channel lineups, obviating the need to manually scan for channels |
| [04:47:26] | interpolate: | ok thats what i needed to know, thanks wagnerrp and [R] |
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| [06:19:48] | Beirdo: | la la la |
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| [06:20:23] | Beirdo: | OK, I think I have the schematic in for the USB power switcher for the HDPVR |
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| [06:21:06] | Beirdo: | now I get to make a PCB |
| [06:21:06] | [R]: | controlled how? |
| [06:21:14] | Beirdo: | relay |
| [06:21:28] | [R]: | yes... how do you control the relay |
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| [06:21:43] | Beirdo: | with a USB UART part, using GPIO |
| [06:21:45] | [R]: | ah |
| [06:21:54] | Beirdo: | FTDI FTW |
| [06:21:58] | [R]: | i just control my relay off the 5V on usb, so my hdpvr turns off when my computer turns off |
| [06:22:08] | Beirdo: | that's not what I want |
| [06:22:16] | [R]: | i know most people woudln't want that |
| [06:22:18] | Beirdo: | a) my backend is never off |
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| [06:22:33] | Beirdo: | b) I need to power cycle it under software control :) |
| [06:22:36] | [R]: | when do you toggle it on/off? |
| [06:22:41] | [R]: | off an event? |
| [06:22:46] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [06:22:51] | Beirdo: | Recording Started |
| [06:23:03] | Beirdo: | when it tosses a 0 byte recording |
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| [06:23:16] | [R]: | so you miss a few seconds or do you have a global start early? |
| [06:23:26] | Beirdo: | it will miss |
| [06:23:51] | Beirdo: | I record too much crap to bother trying to do the padding |
| [06:23:54] | [R]: | have you ever had recordings with no sound? |
| [06:24:03] | Beirdo: | very rarely |
| [06:24:19] | [R]: | i had it like every other week, and i figured out something and i've been testing it for the past few weeks |
| [06:24:23] | [R]: | i may write a ticket eventually |
| [06:24:30] | Beirdo: | and when I did, it was definitely the recording as it cut back in partway into the show |
| [06:24:44] | [R]: | ah, its always been corrupt audio completley for me because the hdpvr screwed up |
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| [06:39:38] | Beirdo: | now, the PCB is gonna take a bit |
| [06:39:47] | Beirdo: | stupid custom USB connectors |
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| [06:41:05] | Beirdo: | and stupid barrel connector too :) |
| [06:41:09] | [R]: | we are using FTDI at my work |
| [06:41:18] | [R]: | 2 quads |
| [06:41:41] | [R]: | and a usb hub |
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| [06:46:39] | Beirdo: | OK, how does this library NOT have DO201 footprint? |
| [06:47:00] | [R]: | oh, your all fancy and using a program? |
| [06:47:10] | [R]: | my dad just sketched omehing up on paper the last time he made me somethign |
| [06:47:30] | Beirdo: | Oh, I did THAT part at work :) |
| [06:47:41] | Beirdo: | and I need to layout a board. |
| [06:47:54] | Beirdo: | SSOP28 parts kinda need it |
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| [06:49:05] | Beirdo: | they have DO214AB, DO214, but no DO201AB? |
| [06:50:09] | [R]: | did i tell you how i read schematics and fixed a problem all by myself? |
| [06:50:15] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [06:50:18] | Beirdo: | argh. |
| [06:50:31] | Beirdo: | they have DO214AB... as surface mount? |
| [06:50:54] | Beirdo: | ahhh, SMC |
| [06:51:02] | Beirdo: | use the right package names :) |
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| [06:54:05] | Beirdo: | standard through-hole diodes don't need a package for layout? oook |
| [06:55:40] | trumee: | The TV Settings>Playback OSD>Browse all channels seems to be broken after a computer restart |
| [06:55:47] | trumee: | i have a analogue tuner card + settop box, thus have duplicate channels on both of them. If i uncheck "Browse all channels" then i dont get any duplicate entries in Program guide which is what i want. Hoewever, on a system restart i start getting the duplicate channels in guide even though the "Browse all channels" is unchecked. |
| [06:56:19] | [R]: | trumee: i dont get the "thus i have duplciate channels" |
| [06:56:29] | [R]: | there is no "thus"... there is only imporoperly configured if you have "duplicate" channels |
| [06:57:12] | trumee: | [R]: i created two video sources, one for the settop box and the other for the analog tuner |
| [06:57:19] | [R]: | ok... and? |
| [06:58:09] | trumee: | [R]: i created two channel entries with the same name (for two video sources). For the the settop box video source, i used the channel number and for the analog tuner i used the frequency |
| [06:58:23] | [R]: | thats your problem |
| [06:58:28] | [R]: | the channel number and the callsign need to be the same |
| [06:58:49] | trumee: | [R]: yes, i made sure that the channel number and the callsign is the same |
| [06:59:18] | [R]: | you just said they were differnet |
| [07:00:07] | trumee: | [R]: they have the same channel number and sign |
| [07:00:18] | trumee: | [R]: let me grab some screenshots of what i am talking about |
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| [07:08:18] | trumee: | [R]: this is the analog tuner channel entry, http://imgur.com/DPBc1&VSBNpl |
| [07:09:26] | trumee: | [R]: and this is the settop box channel entry, http://imgur.com/yYRlp&YAP0E |
| [07:09:52] | [R]: | and where do they show up twice? |
| [07:10:01] | [R]: | sure thers no space at the end of the callsign or somethign? |
| [07:10:03] | trumee: | [R]: in the program guide |
| [07:10:24] | trumee: | [R]: no, there is no space |
| [07:10:43] | trumee: | [R]: note that the second page of the channel entries is different |
| [07:11:00] | trumee: | [R]: rather it is the third page in mythtv-setup |
| [07:11:28] | [R]: | huh? |
| [07:11:32] | trumee: | [R]: analog tuner has frequency in it while the stb has channel number in it |
| [07:11:39] | [R]: | thats fine |
| [07:11:53] | [R]: | it does it by callsign |
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| [07:13:37] | trumee: | [R]: so is my setup broken? |
| [07:14:25] | [R]: | yup |
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| [07:14:30] | [R]: | if the number and callsign is the same |
| [07:14:32] | [R]: | its 1 channel |
| [07:14:55] | trumee: | [R]: any idea how do i resolve this? |
| [07:15:03] | [R]: | delete it all and readd them |
| [07:15:25] | trumee: | [R]: ah, crap. i spent the whole afternoon creating those entries by hand |
| [07:15:37] | trumee: | [R]: there is no channel lineup which i can use |
| [07:15:44] | [R]: | you have no listings? |
| [07:15:48] | trumee: | [R]: no |
| [07:15:56] | [R]: | then who do you plan on using myuth? magic? |
| [07:16:37] | trumee: | [R]: i do have an xml lineup but not very good. |
| [07:16:44] | [R]: | if you have no guide ddata |
| [07:16:49] | [R]: | what good is myth |
| [07:16:52] | trumee: | [R]: i do have guide data |
| [07:16:57] | [R]: | then you have a lineup... |
| [07:17:26] | trumee: | [R]: sort of. but only for the settop box. For the analog tuner i have to setup everything myself |
| [07:17:39] | [R]: | well i'd say set up 1 cahnenl |
| [07:17:41] | [R]: | and get it working |
| [07:17:44] | [R]: | then worry about the rest |
| [07:17:50] | [R]: | but if the channel # and callsign match, they will be merged |
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| [07:20:07] | trumee: | [R]: merged in the frontend? |
| [07:20:17] | trumee: | [R]: in the program guide? |
| [07:20:24] | [R]: | everywhere |
| [07:20:33] | [R]: | it is ONE channel to myth |
| [07:22:04] | trumee: | [R]: ok is this is the right sequence then, 1. Create two video sources, 2. Use channel lineup for one stb video source, 3. Create duplicate copy of the channel (for analog tuner) and edit its frequency? |
| [07:22:49] | [R]: | essentially |
| [07:24:02] | trumee: | [R]: how can i make a duplicate copy of the channel, without entering everything by hand |
| [07:24:23] | [R]: | dont think yo ucan |
| [07:24:45] | trumee: | [R]: uh oh!, it will take a long time to set that up then |
| [07:25:21] | trumee: | [R]: funny thing is that if i uncheck "Browse all channels" the duplicates are all removed from the program guide which is what i want |
| [07:25:38] | trumee: | [R]: but after a reboot i get duplicates again in the program guide |
| [07:25:57] | [R]: | so file a bug report |
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| [07:33:59] | ryjyd1: | hello folks... trying to get mythtv running right. I'm able to get broadcast going in HD, but I can't quite figure out getting analog going, as I have the old-skool cable signal running to my house |
| [07:34:52] | ryjyd1: | I figured out the card is capable by running tvtime, and it gets the old analog just fine, but I don't know why or how. |
| [07:35:39] | [R]: | ryjyd1: what? |
| [07:36:46] | ryjyd1: | you know how cable companies run old analog signal, but broadcast is the new digital standard right? I can get mythtv to stream the broadcast signal, but I can't get it to stream the old analog signal |
| [07:37:06] | [R]: | do you have a card taht supporst analog? |
| [07:37:44] | ryjyd1: | I must, like I said, I got it to work with tvtime and one other program, so I know the card will do it (hauppauge 950q) |
| [07:37:58] | [R]: | thats an awful card |
| [07:38:03] | [R]: | try getting a less crappy one |
| [07:38:33] | ryjyd1: | tried, ended up gettting a more crappy one: diamond tvw750u... linux doesn't even know what that is at all |
| [07:38:58] | [R]: | lol |
| [07:39:01] | [R]: | get a hauppague |
| [07:39:03] | [R]: | problem solved |
| [07:39:18] | ryjyd1: | I did ^^^ 950q |
| [07:40:00] | ryjyd1: | I'd get a pci-e, but there's no room in the case... it's for a set-top |
| [07:40:44] | [R]: | a DECENT hauppague |
| [07:40:47] | [R]: | there, i refreahsed |
| [07:40:51] | ryjyd1: | :P |
| [07:40:56] | [R]: | refrased* |
| [07:41:06] | [R]: | a 150 |
| [07:41:09] | [R]: | a 500 |
| [07:41:10] | [R]: | etc |
| [07:41:22] | ryjyd1: | this was the only usb stick they had |
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| [07:41:51] | [R]: | yeah, usb sucks |
| [07:41:51] | ryjyd1: | it's awesome for broadcast, and it works well enough for analog when the program that uses it can see it... |
| [07:42:07] | [R]: | its not called broadcast |
| [07:42:09] | [R]: | its called digital |
| [07:43:16] | ryjyd1: | now I shall rephrase: OTA digital broadcast, as in free local TV |
| [07:43:51] | [R]: | its just digital |
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| [07:44:04] | [R]: | it just so ahpepns your cable company sucks and all thye do is put the same channels you can get over the air |
| [07:44:20] | [R]: | i on the other hand, get TBS and WGN, very much not OTA |
| [07:44:35] | ryjyd1: | well, there's mtv and syfy and nick and cartoon network and all that... |
| [07:44:53] | ryjyd1: | I'm pretty much ready to pull the plug on the cab;e box... whole reason I'm even making the bother |
| [07:45:02] | [R]: | you get that stuff digital? |
| [07:45:42] | ryjyd1: | no, all analog... we still have analog cable signal in the burbs unless we get the dvr box |
| [07:46:03] | ryjyd1: | thus, my dilemma |
| [07:46:09] | [R]: | everytime you watch an analog channel |
| [07:46:18] | [R]: | the tv gods kill a kitty |
| [07:46:21] | [R]: | think of the kitties! |
| [07:48:40] | ryjyd1: | lmao... koreans are gods? nah man, that's just dinner |
| [07:52:12] | ryjyd1: | okay, so after flipping through this a few 50 times... if the cable signal is analog... I prob want V4L, the first option, right? |
| [07:52:40] | [R]: | well thats is a piece of trash card |
| [07:52:41] | [R]: | so who knows |
| [07:54:14] | ryjyd1: | nah, the card works fine... it does the trick in winbloze, and I'd hate to see uncle bill show up linus and co. |
| [07:54:33] | ryjyd1: | besides that, it does the trick in linux too, so long as its set right |
| [07:54:53] | [R]: | well have fun with your crappy carp |
| [07:54:55] | [R]: | crap* |
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| [07:59:31] | Beirdo: | OK, tomorrow, I put in the correct footprints for the USB connector and barrel connector |
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| [08:00:05] | Beirdo: | and then I should be ready to bump crap around on the board until it meets my approval, then make the boards |
| [08:00:16] | [R]: | make sure its matched lenghts |
| [08:00:41] | Beirdo: | make sure what's matched lengths? |
| [08:00:49] | [R]: | the data lines for usb |
| [08:00:53] | Beirdo: | won't matter |
| [08:01:10] | [R]: | thats being sloppy |
| [08:01:16] | Beirdo: | no it's not |
| [08:01:20] | [R]: | that's what she said? |
| [08:01:20] | [R]: | haha |
| [08:01:39] | Beirdo: | it's overkill to care about that on a total length of < 0.5" |
| [08:01:45] | [R]: | lol |
| [08:02:01] | [R]: | i had to get some flying leads soldered onto some points that were used on SPI |
| [08:02:05] | Beirdo: | it's not going to affect the data at ALL |
| [08:02:09] | [R]: | i was freaking out because the schematic said they had to be matched lenght |
| [08:02:15] | [R]: | but my hardware guy said it would be fine... it was |
| [08:02:35] | Beirdo: | if it were a PCI bus, or a bus to SDRAM data lines, I'd care |
| [08:02:53] | Beirdo: | but for USB (which is differential data anyways), pfft |
| [08:03:38] | Beirdo: | the first run at the board has it 1" x 3" |
| [08:03:57] | Beirdo: | but I have two connectors to change and there's plenty of room for improvement |
| [08:04:20] | Beirdo: | but first, bed |
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| [10:47:40] | trumee: | before i go and destroy my working setup, please could somebody confirm whether the correct way to add a "analog tuner" and settop box with shared channels is the following: |
| [10:48:14] | trumee: | 1. Create two video sources, 2. Use channel lineup for one stb video source, 3. Create duplicate copy of the channel (for analog tuner) and edit its frequency. |
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| [11:37:22] | wagnerrp: | trumee: why not just backup the database before tinkering |
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| [12:04:41] | trumee: | wagnerrp: yes, that is what i am going to do now. |
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| [13:29:11] | justinh: | this is what openivo 'wants' for his remote: http://www.primesense.com/gallery.asp |
| [13:29:14] | justinh: | what a douche |
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| [13:34:35] | wagnerrp: | ah, there it is |
| [13:34:44] | wagnerrp: | http://okcancel.com/comic/3.html |
| [13:35:16] | justinh: | heheheh |
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| [13:39:35] | wagnerrp: | so where does he 'want' this? |
| [13:41:02] | justinh: | found his tw*tter feed |
| [13:42:46] | justinh: | ROFL "If 10 million 1.6 gHz Ions were linked for a DVR and SocialTV service, would it also be the worlds fastest cloud supercomputer (7.5 Pflops)?" |
| [13:43:30] | mycosys: | i am LOVING my ssd – my laptop is like a whole new machine – a whole new class of machine |
| [13:43:46] | wagnerrp: | you should reply that he has no clue what a supercomputer is if he made that statement |
| [13:45:06] | wagnerrp: | if a company had worth of that kind of power with those kinds of calculations |
| [13:45:18] | wagnerrp: | they could just as well run a similar system on their own office computers during off hours |
| [13:45:22] | wagnerrp: | (except it would be free) |
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| [13:47:56] | justinh: | "It's easy to clearly see the moon. It is relatively difficult to get there". ROFLMAO |
| [13:48:01] | justinh: | relatively difficult. |
| [13:48:21] | justinh: | as in, it's relatively difficult to overcome the gravitational pull of the Earth |
| [13:48:55] | justinh: | as in, one thousand billion dollars is a relatively large sum compared to one dollar |
| [13:48:56] | wagnerrp: | on the contrary, its very much easy |
| [13:49:08] | wagnerrp: | it just costs a crapton |
| [13:49:41] | justinh: | ah so translating the adage.. he just wants a crapton of money |
| [13:49:43] | justinh: | ahhh |
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| [15:00:32] | Twiggy|Worx: | Is there any hope for having a batch delete option either in mythweb or mythtv it's self? |
| [15:01:32] | wagnerrp: | in the frontend, you can add a series of shows to a playlist, and delete the playlist |
| [15:01:47] | wagnerrp: | if you want a more complex search, check out http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Delete_recordings.py |
| [15:02:40] | Twiggy|Worx: | Okay, it's kind of a pain to clean house on the recordings. |
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| [15:05:50] | Twiggy|Worx: | Also, I have my recordings stored on Ext4 and have delete slowly enabled. When I delete a bunch, sometimes some get over looked and dont get deleted. Is this an issue that I am causing by deleting too much at once or an issue with my setup? |
| [15:07:14] | wagnerrp: | wouldnt know about that one |
| [15:07:23] | wagnerrp: | why do you have slow deletes enabled? |
| [15:08:15] | Twiggy|Worx: | because I read somewhere(in the wiki I think) that it should be enabled unless you have zfs or jfs. I think that is that two formats |
| [15:08:33] | wagnerrp: | on the contrary, it should be enabled if you have ext2/3 |
| [15:08:41] | wagnerrp: | i do not believe ext4 suffers from the same issues |
| [15:08:56] | Twiggy|Worx: | ohh okay, I will enable it and see if that helps |
| [15:09:07] | Twiggy|Worx: | What exactly does delete slowly do? |
| [15:09:30] | Twiggy|Worx: | Moreso, how does it delete slower? |
| [15:09:49] | wagnerrp: | it slowly truncates a file, freeing up chunks of storage at the end |
| [15:10:01] | Twiggy|Worx: | ohh okay |
| [15:10:29] | wagnerrp: | it is designed to run a few MB/s, or a few tens of percent higher than the predicted possible recording rate on that machine |
| [15:10:31] | ** justinh uses playlist deletion extensively :) ** | |
| [15:10:35] | wagnerrp: | which ever is higher |
| [15:10:46] | Twiggy|Worx: | should TruncateDeletesSlowly be 1 or 0 for off? |
| [15:11:03] | justinh: | don't mess with the database yourself |
| [15:11:08] | justinh: | set the setting |
| [15:11:15] | justinh: | like, via mythweb, or via the UI |
| [15:11:25] | Twiggy|Worx: | that is mythweb |
| [15:11:53] | justinh: | so think about it, would 1 be ENabled or DISabled? logically... |
| [15:11:58] | justinh: | :-) |
| [15:11:59] | wagnerrp: | doesnt matter, you shouldnt be setting such things in mythweb |
| [15:12:12] | wagnerrp: | thats why there is that big warning box on the page you are reading |
| [15:12:34] | Twiggy|Worx: | I will check int eh UI tonight, I am almost positive that I set it to delete slowly, but it shows 0 on the page |
| [15:12:51] | wagnerrp: | pretty sure that value is per-host |
| [15:13:05] | Twiggy|Worx: | There is no warning on the settings page, at least not for me |
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| [15:14:32] | Twiggy|Worx: | Sorry, there was, its on the side :) |
| [15:14:48] | wagnerrp: | warning: many settings pages have very little error checking. you can easily alter a setting which will result in a non-functional system, and short of restoring the database from a backup, there is no way to undo your changes. |
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| [16:07:57] | zefiral: | I know this sounds crazy, but anyone try a zacate E350 with nvidia display card for mythfrontend? |
| [16:08:45] | zefiral: | just wondering if it would perform up to snuff |
| [16:09:29] | sphery: | likely better than an Atom, but not as good as an Athlon II X2 |
| [16:10:13] | sphery: | haven't heard of anyone actually trying it, yet, though |
| [16:10:32] | sphery: | most seem to think that they're better off with atom since they can get a mobo with atom + nvidia, and avoid the discrete gpu |
| [16:10:46] | sphery: | (not that I feel that's a good approach) |
| [16:10:48] | zefiral: | Concern with Athlon (compared to zacate) is electricity draw |
| [16:11:05] | sphery: | a good Athlon II X2 is likely to idle at very low power draw |
| [16:11:43] | zefiral: | atom is a write off anyways since power draw is not all that great anyways |
| [16:11:49] | sphery: | yeah, agreed |
| [16:12:13] | sphery: | Atom is power-constrained, with no headroom--versus power efficient (like Core 2/Core i/Athlon II) |
| [16:12:28] | zefiral: | it |
| [16:12:30] | sphery: | the AMD Fusion stuff seems to be in between--like an undersclocked Athlon II |
| [16:12:47] | sphery: | (which is always a possibility if you're really concerned--underclock/undervolt an Athlon II?) |
| [16:13:25] | zefiral: | it's really too bad there's no decent low power media player platform yet |
| [16:13:45] | sphery: | yeah... really we need a useful API for AMD GPUs--and good drivers |
| [16:13:53] | sphery: | though I doubt that will ever happen |
| [16:14:01] | zefiral: | you figure with all the HW accel something should have been workable already |
| [16:14:09] | sphery: | that said, the /best/ approach for power savings (especially for a frontend machine) is to shut down when you're not using it |
| [16:14:36] | zefiral: | this is going to be a backend as well |
| [16:14:49] | sphery: | mythtv supports automatic shutdown when idle for the master backend, and supports the master backend sleeping and waking remote backends |
| [16:14:53] | zefiral: | for tech challenged friends |
| [16:15:26] | sphery: | I'd think that as far as the Fusion platform goes, the desktop-centric ones would be much better for mythtv |
| [16:15:31] | sphery: | when they're release |
| [16:15:50] | zefiral: | mythbackend wake function might be a bit iffy |
| [16:16:05] | sphery: | master backend just uses mobo timer support |
| [16:16:20] | sphery: | remote backends are generally waked with wake-on-lan |
| [16:16:21] | zefiral: | that's the iffy part |
| [16:16:35] | zefiral: | mobo timer support |
| [16:16:37] | sphery: | (though, really, you can always use something like an X10 power module and some other always-on system) |
| [16:16:51] | zefiral: | overkill |
| [16:17:00] | zefiral: | just use a router |
| [16:17:04] | zefiral: | for wake |
| [16:17:12] | sphery: | like have your OpenWRT router receive a message from the shutdown script and then wake later with wol/x10/... |
| [16:17:15] | zefiral: | x10 is crazy |
| [16:17:19] | sphery: | it's all scripts, so you can use whatever works for you |
| [16:17:48] | sphery: | the shutdown script is executed with a time for wakeup, so... |
| [16:18:01] | zefiral: | like I said, this is for a friend |
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| [16:18:26] | zefiral: | they're not likely to mess with openwrt and whatnot |
| [16:18:40] | sphery: | well, any always-on system |
| [16:18:43] | zefiral: | or even scripts |
| [16:19:49] | zefiral: | the only always on system might be their smart phone |
| [16:20:38] | zefiral: | the router they have isn't too hackable |
| [16:20:52] | zefiral: | comes with uverse |
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| [18:21:19] | bumblebeebat: | Just wondering if Mythmusic still is using media shares or if it is using the share system that mythvideo is using |
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| [18:24:27] | wagnerrp: | no, it has not been migrated to storage groups yet |
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| [18:34:32] | bumblebeebat: | Ok, Thanks, I was just wondering |
| [18:34:54] | bumblebeebat: | Do you know if there are any plans to make this change |
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| [18:36:10] | wagnerrp: | plans, yes... but i dont know the status |
| [18:36:35] | wagnerrp: | i know paulh has been working on a big rewrite, but beyond that |
| [18:36:43] | wagnerrp: | !seen paulh_ |
| [18:36:43] | MythLogBot: | paulh_ was last seen 800 days 19 hours 21 minutes 43 seconds ago |
| [18:36:57] | wagnerrp: | *cough* |
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| [19:05:49] | Beirdo: | he's been seen on the other channel, I bet |
| [19:06:01] | Beirdo: | he did commit this/last week, IIRC |
| [19:07:24] | wagnerrp: | yeah, i know hes been around a lot more recently than 2 years |
| [19:07:29] | wagnerrp: | !seen paulh |
| [19:07:29] | MythLogBot: | paulh was last seen 798 days 19 hours 32 minutes 4 seconds ago |
| [19:07:42] | Beirdo: | !seen paul-h |
| [19:07:42] | MythLogBot: | paul-h was last seen 36 days 13 hours 17 minutes 49 seconds ago |
| [19:07:46] | Beirdo: | there we go |
| [19:07:49] | wagnerrp: | ah, there it is |
| [19:07:59] | Beirdo: | yeah 2.5 years is a bit much |
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| [19:08:55] | wagnerrp: | maybe hes been holding off waiting on the recordedfile stuff, so he could include it in the shared data types |
| [19:09:09] | wagnerrp: | i mean thats been coming since before i was a dev |
| [19:09:20] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [19:09:22] | Beirdo: | could be |
| [19:09:27] | wagnerrp: | i was warned of that possibility when i started working on the bindings |
| [19:09:36] | ** wagnerrp prods sphery ** | |
| [19:09:52] | Beirdo: | yeah, I've found that "there's a new API coming soon" means squat. |
| [19:09:58] | Beirdo: | deal with it when it arrives |
| [19:09:59] | sphery: | huh? |
| [19:10:11] | sphery: | ah, yeah, need to do the recordedfile stuff |
| [19:10:17] | wagnerrp: | :) |
| [19:11:33] | Beirdo: | he's waiting for us to do it, I think L( |
| [19:11:35] | Beirdo: | :) even |
| [19:11:50] | wagnerrp: | so you do that too? |
| [19:12:10] | Beirdo: | hehe, yeah, half the stuff I end up doing was on his TODO list :) |
| [19:12:19] | wagnerrp: | o rea;;u jate ot wjem o het a leu pff |
| [19:12:30] | Beirdo: | heh, oh that |
| [19:12:46] | Beirdo: | yeah, my fingers have minds of their own |
| [19:13:16] | wagnerrp: | pitfalls of never learning to use the home key |
| [19:13:30] | Beirdo: | or having worn home keys |
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| [19:13:56] | Beirdo: | I don't religiously touch-type, but close enough |
| [19:15:00] | wagnerrp: | ive got broad shoulders, so it was never comfortable enough to have my elbows close enough together to get my hands parallel on the keyboard |
| [19:15:21] | Beirdo: | tis a good excuse |
| [19:15:32] | wagnerrp: | i come in at an angle, so instead of having my right hand on asdf, its on asdc |
| [19:15:40] | Beirdo: | my hands come in at 30–45 degree angles myself |
| [19:15:57] | wagnerrp: | and mkl; |
| [19:16:10] | Beirdo: | and I roam to either side of the great divide all the time |
| [19:16:37] | Beirdo: | my typing teacher in highschool would groan to see my typing style |
| [19:16:54] | Beirdo: | but I can still type way faster than the requirement in his class |
| [19:16:55] | wagnerrp: | meh, i can still do >100 wpm |
| [19:17:03] | wagnerrp: | so i dont really care if people think its bad form |
| [19:17:20] | Beirdo: | I was doing 40wpm hunt n peck before learning touch-typing |
| [19:17:45] | wagnerrp: | i can type faster than sphery, and thats all that really matters |
| [19:17:50] | wagnerrp: | :P |
| [19:18:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [19:19:36] | Beirdo: | now to listen to a song that a friend quoted on Facebook the other day |
| [19:19:50] | Beirdo: | I don't think anyone caught the reference.... |
| [19:19:59] | Beirdo: | The Beatles – Lady Madonna |
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| [19:20:26] | Beirdo: | which is actually interesting as I never pegged her as a Beatles fan |
| [19:20:48] | wagnerrp: | what was the reference to |
| [19:21:12] | Beirdo: | "Tuesday afternoon is never ending..." |
| [19:21:47] | wagnerrp: | ah |
| [19:22:00] | Beirdo: | actually, she quoted about 4 lines starting there... |
| [19:22:28] | Beirdo: | wednesday morning papers didn't come... Thursday night your stocking needed mending... See how they run. |
| [19:22:31] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [19:22:43] | Beirdo: | my brain went... whirrrr.. I know that song. :) |
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| [19:24:08] | Beirdo: | hopefully tonight I'll finish that board, and start setting up the ripper box and turntable, etc in the office |
| [19:24:30] | Beirdo: | making layout footprints is an annoyingly slow process |
| [19:26:17] | Beirdo: | although one should be flippin easy (barrel connector) |
| [19:26:35] | Beirdo: | I just didn't have the patience for the fiddly last night |
| [19:26:53] | Beirdo: | so far the board is about 1" x 3" |
| [19:28:34] | Beirdo: | shouldn't change significantly with the real connectors (used 1x5 and 1x2 jumpers in the mean time) |
| [19:37:41] | wagnerrp: | sounds like the reds just won |
| [19:40:05] | wagnerrp: | yep, 3–2 |
| [19:40:09] | Beirdo: | cool |
| [19:40:30] | Beirdo: | you are close to the stadium? |
| [19:41:00] | Beirdo: | if I'm paying attention, I can usually tell when the Seahawks win :) |
| [19:41:13] | wagnerrp: | not that close |
| [19:42:05] | wagnerrp: | google says just under 4 miles |
| [19:42:32] | Beirdo: | ah. Home for me is < 2 miles from Qwest Field and Safeco Field, i think |
| [19:42:51] | Beirdo: | certainly close enough to hear crowds when they get riled up |
| [19:43:00] | wagnerrp: | fireworks |
| [19:43:05] | Beirdo: | that too :) |
| [19:43:10] | wagnerrp: | they fire one aerial shot for home runs, and about a dozen for a win |
| [19:43:28] | Beirdo: | I wonder if they'll be able to hear the U2 concert at my apt. |
| [19:43:37] | Beirdo: | I'll be at the concert. heh |
| [19:45:49] | Beirdo: | should go get lunc. BBL |
| [19:50:18] | wagnerrp: | lunch, at 4pm? |
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| [19:53:52] | wagnerrp: | kormoc_afk: youll be happy to know arstechnica is down due to mongodb issues |
| [19:54:09] | wagnerrp: | it seems it did not scale enough |
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| [20:44:50] | Beirdo: | lunch at 1pm :) remember, time zone |
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| [20:51:11] | trumee: | how well does the nouveau driver work with mythtv? |
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| [20:52:35] | wagnerrp: | trumee: dont bother |
| [20:52:46] | trumee: | wagnerrp: right |
| [20:53:41] | trumee: | wagnerrp: opensuse is fscked. i was trying to setup myth to autostart using http://dev.gentoo.org/~cardoe/mythtv/autostart.html |
| [20:53:58] | trumee: | wagnerrp: but startx in opensuse gives me load of permissions problems |
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| [20:54:42] | trumee: | wagnerrp: http://www.pastie.org/1864795 |
| [20:57:30] | wagnerrp: | why does sed and xdm figure into anything? |
| [20:57:43] | Beirdo: | ummm |
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| [20:58:07] | Beirdo: | so, you were following gentoo directions in opensuse, then complain when they don't match? :) |
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| [20:58:49] | wagnerrp: | rather the gentoo directions are the general purpose linux/x11 directions |
| [20:58:58] | Beirdo: | ah |
| [20:59:17] | Beirdo: | but still, expecting directions from one distro to match all others... |
| [20:59:17] | wagnerrp: | use the inittab to autologin, use the bashrc file to startx |
| [20:59:34] | wagnerrp: | i would expect those directions to run on any linux system |
| [20:59:46] | wagnerrp: | at least any providing virtual terminals and X11 |
| [21:00:10] | Beirdo: | providing the support was built in by default (for autologin) |
| [21:00:10] | trumee: | wagnerrp: they dont work on opensuse :( |
| [21:00:22] | trumee: | startx is borked on opensuse |
| [21:00:31] | Beirdo: | so don't use opensuse |
| [21:00:34] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: well the directions call for mingetty to be installed |
| [21:00:43] | wagnerrp: | trumee: worked fine as recent as 11.2 |
| [21:00:45] | Beirdo: | true. |
| [21:00:51] | wagnerrp: | thats the most recent opensuse ive run |
| [21:01:02] | Beirdo: | with USE=autostart, not sure what all that changes in the emerge |
| [21:01:26] | ** Beirdo shrugs ** | |
| [21:01:41] | trumee: | wagnerrp: it worked fine on 11.3 initially as well. But i applied the recent updates to opensuse/nvidia and something killed my startx on the way |
| [21:03:29] | Beirdo: | OMG the newegg shellshocker right now... it has to be the most hideous computer case i've ever seen |
| [21:04:14] | wagnerrp: | i could be wrong, but isnt suse intended for servers and workstations? |
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| [21:05:29] | wagnerrp: | not a fan of the ginormous glowing... fan? |
| [21:05:30] | Beirdo: | 250mm blue lit fan on the front... 360mm blue lit fan on the side |
| [21:05:49] | Beirdo: | looks like the hind end of a submarine |
| [21:06:45] | Beirdo: | 360mm side fan. JEEZ |
| [21:07:20] | Beirdo: | the 250mm front fan will pull in like a pound of dust bunnies a day |
| [21:07:41] | Beirdo: | who needs a vacuum cleaner, anyways? |
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| [21:08:03] | wagnerrp: | i didnt think you could actually stuff a 250mm fan in a case |
| [21:08:17] | Beirdo: | well, the front isn't square |
| [21:08:29] | Beirdo: | as I said... looks like the hind end of a submarine :) |
| [21:08:50] | wagnerrp: | mine is cramped as is using 120mm units |
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| [21:09:17] | Beirdo: | or the intake of a turbofan jet engine, complete with cowling |
| [21:10:23] | Beirdo: | anyways, I'm just not into that :) |
| [21:10:41] | Beirdo: | I'm thinking of building out another computer though |
| [21:11:10] | Beirdo: | for backups... kinda like a NAS |
| [21:11:26] | Beirdo: | I should go by the computer recyclers nearby to see what they have cheap |
| [21:14:38] | wagnerrp: | backups of what? youre not talking about your whole recording/media library, right? |
| [21:15:52] | Beirdo: | system backups |
| [21:15:59] | Beirdo: | not the media :) |
| [21:16:21] | Beirdo: | using bup... (which is git-based) |
| [21:16:43] | wagnerrp: | just seems... wrong |
| [21:16:46] | Beirdo: | it's not pressing yet |
| [21:16:54] | Beirdo: | why would it be wrong? |
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| [21:17:35] | Beirdo: | git has a very good packing mechanism, and combined with some of the joy of rsync, apparently, bup will do your backups extremely well |
| [21:17:39] | wagnerrp: | using git for whole system snapshotting |
| [21:17:44] | Beirdo: | including backing up VM images |
| [21:18:16] | wagnerrp: | it seems especially wrong for doing bulk images |
| [21:18:23] | Beirdo: | it gets chunked up and stuff. (the author gave a talk on it at LinuxFest NorthWest on the weekend) |
| [21:18:26] | wagnerrp: | s/bulk/large binary/ |
| [21:18:41] | Beirdo: | it backs up 64k blocks IIRC |
| [21:18:55] | Beirdo: | it was well thought out |
| [21:19:05] | Beirdo: | it does sound just wonky though |
| [21:19:33] | wagnerrp: | meh, im happy with zfs snapshotting |
| [21:19:45] | Beirdo: | the cool thing is, the way it was done, it's actually possible to backup the same file on two or more machines, and it takes no extra space |
| [21:19:50] | wagnerrp: | although from what i gather, remote snapshotting is /very/ slow |
| [21:19:59] | Beirdo: | I'd bet |
| [21:20:13] | Beirdo: | I mean, I could buy a NAS box |
| [21:20:16] | Beirdo: | but why? |
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| [21:20:54] | wagnerrp: | zfs doesnt inherently have support for anything outside the local system |
| [21:21:02] | wagnerrp: | but you can do 'zfs send' and 'zfs receive' |
| [21:21:15] | wagnerrp: | which handles snapshots in data streams using stdout and stdin respectively |
| [21:21:27] | wagnerrp: | so those in combination with 'nc', and you have remote snapshotting |
| [21:21:30] | Beirdo: | all I really need is a box with lots of disk bays, and a motherboard capable of controlling said disks |
| [21:21:57] | wagnerrp: | but from what i understand, the locking strategy used for generating that data stream is pretty slow |
| [21:22:02] | wagnerrp: | on the order of 1MB/s or so |
| [21:22:13] | Beirdo: | ick |
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| [21:22:22] | Beirdo: | that would take a while for 1TB :) |
| [21:22:51] | wagnerrp: | took me the better part of a day to migrate a mostly filled 300GB volume |
| [21:23:03] | gregL: | If I move a recordings group to different drive will Myth find it? |
| [21:23:57] | wagnerrp: | gregL: as long as it remains on the same host, in a folder defined for the same storage group |
| [21:24:27] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: jy a sent me a link a while back that uses mbuffer to buffer the sends and allow it to run much faster |
| [21:24:40] | Beirdo: | cool |
| [21:24:47] | wagnerrp: | it seems it does not internal buffering, and blocks on the 64k pipe limit |
| [21:25:00] | Beirdo: | hey, I could even run freebsd/zfs on the disk box |
| [21:25:14] | gregL: | wagnerrp, OK tnx,that's what I though,but wasn't sure.. |
| [21:25:46] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: well if you intend to go that route, i would probably look into something like freenas |
| [21:25:56] | Beirdo: | cool |
| [21:26:06] | wagnerrp: | the remote snapshotting thing is only because my server is running it as well |
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| [21:26:23] | wagnerrp: | meaning i can snapshot on my server, and send incremental backups to an archive |
| [21:26:27] | wagnerrp: | similar to how that git thing works |
| [21:26:29] | Beirdo: | right |
| [21:27:21] | Beirdo: | I don't need any particular speedy box for this, just something relatively recent, and plenty of disk bays. |
| [21:27:28] | wagnerrp: | but if git handles versioning of binary files well |
| [21:27:35] | wagnerrp: | it wouldnt really be all that different |
| [21:27:54] | Beirdo: | yeah, the code he has running on top of git does it |
| [21:28:00] | Beirdo: | (in python, BTW) |
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| [21:31:42] | wagnerrp: | i really need to whip up a gui to manage this |
| [21:32:20] | wagnerrp: | i intend to build out a system for my parents some time this year, but i want them to actually be able to control it |
| [21:32:26] | wagnerrp: | i dont see them touching the command line much |
| [21:33:47] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [21:34:57] | wagnerrp: | my dad hasnt been too up on computers for the last 15 years |
| [21:35:32] | wagnerrp: | not since the dos menuing systems were replaced by windows |
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| [22:33:27] | trumee: | i dont have an option to specify an xml tv video source in mythtv-setup? |
| [22:34:41] | trumee: | The only options i have are "No grabber", "Schedules direct" and "Over-the-air". iirc there used to be an xmltv grabber as well, is it no longer available in 0.24? |
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| [22:36:00] | Shadow__X: | this might help |
| [22:36:00] | Shadow__X: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/XMLTV |
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| [22:37:11] | trumee: | Shadow__X: THANKS |
| [22:37:19] | trumee: | Shadow__X: oops, sorry for caps |
| [22:37:48] | Shadow__X: | yup just a rule of thumb look at the docs and if that doesnt answer your question look at the wiki |
| [22:38:16] | Shadow__X: | if that still does not provide you with an answer google is your friend |
| [22:38:23] | Shadow__X: | there are a lot of places to find answers |
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| [23:02:56] | wagnerrp: | hahaha... CNET is being sued for hosting limewire downloads |
| [23:03:22] | skd5aner: | that still exists? |
| [23:04:03] | wagnerrp: | well they hosted it for like 10 years |
| [23:04:13] | wagnerrp: | are you asking if cnet or limewire still exists? |
| [23:04:34] | wagnerrp: | limewire got axed last year, but download.com is still completely viable |
| [23:05:16] | wagnerrp: | next thing you know, theyll go after sourceforge and github |
| [23:05:59] | skd5aner: | anyone can sue anyone |
| [23:06:20] | wagnerrp: | sure, but it should be thrown out in five minutes by the judge |
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| [23:08:39] | Shadow__X: | even if it gets thrown out the party that filed the lawsuit should be heavily fined |
| [23:09:30] | wagnerrp: | all that needs to be happened is there needs to be some mechanism by which lawyers can be held accountable for lawsuits |
| [23:10:00] | wagnerrp: | all these rampant lawsuits come about because regardless of what happens, the lawyer gets paid |
| [23:10:22] | Shadow__X: | that would be nice |
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| [23:10:43] | wagnerrp: | its cheaper for companies to settle out of court than to fight frivolous lawsuits |
| [23:10:54] | wagnerrp: | because theyre never going to get any of their costs back |
| [23:11:35] | wagnerrp: | if you hold the lawyer liable, its no longer in their interest to take part in these bogus suits |
| [23:12:16] | wagnerrp: | and theyre actually going to do some homework to see if there is a valid case, rather than an easy payday |
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