| Thursday, April 28th, 2011, 00:00 UTC | ||
| [00:00:04] | mythbeast: | no cable box |
| [00:00:23] | wagnerrp: | mythbeast: and you can change channels in livetv mode? |
| [00:00:44] | wagnerrp: | you hit up/down, followed by enter, and it changes to the selected channel? |
| [00:01:00] | mythbeast: | wagnerrp: yes, i can change channels in livetv mode. |
| [00:01:23] | wagnerrp: | then i cant think of any reason why scheduled recordings would not be recorded on their specified channel |
| [00:02:09] | mythbeast: | thanks. i will continue looking.... |
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| [00:02:43] | wagnerrp: | perhaps look at your ba.... |
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| [00:10:10] | Captain_Murdoch: | wagnerrp, I see lots of value in running without the cutlist. user may want to cut to skip automatically during playback, but don't want to actual cut things when transcoding. I wouldn't make the default to cut during transcoding. also, the default 'run after recording' transcode is 'auto profile, no cutlist' I believe. so that's the norm. when users create a cutlist and then run a manual transcode, they can select a pr |
| [00:10:11] | Captain_Murdoch: | ofile, so if you're modifying things, you may want to just include the default transcode of "auto-profile, no cutlist" and let users add their own other transcode commands via the jobqueue editor. we can customize the jobqueue editor a little to allow creating other mythtranscode command lines by allowing some 'templates' or links to examples. |
| [00:12:40] | wagnerrp: | Captain_Murdoch: i dont see any way in the GUI to currently specify with/without cutlist when starting a job |
| [00:14:38] | Captain_Murdoch: | I believe default auto-transcode is no-cutlist. default manual-transcode is with cutlist and specified profile. look in programs/mythfrontend/playbackbox.cpp for the way manual transcode works. |
| [00:15:19] | Captain_Murdoch: | I don't think there is a way through mythfrontend to specify you want or don't want a cutlist applied, that's determined by whether you auto-transcoded or manual transcoded. |
| [00:15:21] | wagnerrp: | as far as 'templates'... i was intending that any time you made a new transcoding profile, a new mythtranscode command was automatically generated to use it |
| [00:16:00] | Captain_Murdoch: | that can get confusing since most users aren't going to use all existing profiles. I say let users create commands to use the profiles. plus, they may only create a profile for use outside of mythfrontend/mythjobqueue. |
| [00:16:04] | wagnerrp: | of course that would require fixing the code to actually allow users to create/delete transcoding profiles |
| [00:16:13] | Captain_Murdoch: | yeah, side topic. :) |
| [00:16:28] | Captain_Murdoch: | I have to go afk for a few. sick 4-year old. be back later (hopefully). |
| [00:16:37] | wagnerrp: | ok, thanks |
| [00:17:22] | wagnerrp: | anyway, im still thinking application of cutlist should be something specified in the transcoding profile |
| [00:17:29] | wagnerrp: | rather than on the command line |
| [00:17:40] | wagnerrp: | (at least when run automatically through the jobqueue) |
| [00:18:27] | wagnerrp: | for now, i can just have it emulate the existing behavior, where if a transcode is started automatically, it is done without cutlist application |
| [00:18:47] | jpabq: | sphery or Beirdo, do you happen to know what I need to install to get OpenGL ES 2.0 support? |
| [00:19:01] | jpabq: | or wagnerrp ;-) |
| [00:19:39] | wagnerrp: | no clue... |
| [00:19:39] | wagnerrp: | !seen markk |
| [00:19:39] | MythLogBot: | markk was last seen 6 days 16 hours 27 minutes 15 seconds ago |
| [00:19:44] | wagnerrp: | !seen markk_ |
| [00:19:44] | MythLogBot: | markk_ was last seen 35 days 21 hours 7 minutes 2 seconds ago |
| [00:19:58] | jpabq: | Yeah, I have not seen him in a while.... |
| [00:21:10] | wagnerrp: | !seen paulh |
| [00:21:10] | MythLogBot: | paulh was last seen 792 days 45 minutes 45 seconds ago |
| [00:21:14] | wagnerrp: | !seen paulh_ |
| [00:21:14] | MythLogBot: | paulh_ was last seen 794 days 1 hour 6 minutes 14 seconds ago |
| [00:21:47] | wagnerrp: | i know hes been in here more recent than that |
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| [00:28:32] | mindoms: | wagnerrp: FYI: changing language for metadata grabbing works by adding |
| [00:28:34] | mindoms: | opts.language="de" |
| [00:28:36] | mindoms: | after the call to the paramater-parser |
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| [00:31:58] | wagnerrp: | mindoms: sounds good, just remember youve made that change if things dont function right in the future |
| [00:32:14] | wagnerrp: | sphery: interesting problem... user is running mythmusic on an HDMI TV |
| [00:32:21] | mindoms: | wagnerrp: thanks for the heads up :) |
| [00:32:47] | wagnerrp: | after a few minutes, machine goes into DPMS, the TV shuts down, and the sound is lost |
| [00:33:37] | mindoms: | way bigger problem: mythconverg.recordedseek is marked crashed, repair failed! |
| [00:33:38] | mindoms: | any ideas? or just apply last backup? |
| [00:34:11] | wagnerrp: | if you cant repair it, you can truncate it and rebuild the seek tables for all your recordings |
| [00:34:23] | wagnerrp: | how many recordings do you have? |
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| [00:35:12] | mindoms: | mythconverg.recordedseek |
| [00:35:14] | mindoms: | warning : Table is marked as crashed and last repair failed |
| [00:35:16] | mindoms: | warning : 1 client is using or hasn't closed the table properly |
| [00:35:18] | mindoms: | warning : Size of indexfile is: 238125056 Should be: 231065600 |
| [00:35:20] | mindoms: | error : Record-count is not ok; is 8159690 Should be: 8059895 |
| [00:35:22] | mindoms: | warning : Found 1825175 deleted space. Should be 0 |
| [00:35:24] | mindoms: | warning : Found 73007 deleted blocks Should be: 0 |
| [00:35:26] | mindoms: | warning : Found 8232697 key parts. Should be: 8059895 |
| [00:35:28] | mindoms: | error : Corrupt |
| [00:35:30] | mindoms: | run-parts: /etc/cron.weekly/mythtv-database exited with return code 2 |
| [00:35:49] | wagnerrp: | please dont do that again |
| [00:35:54] | mindoms: | okay, sorry |
| [00:35:59] | wagnerrp: | i dont know what 'mythtv-database' is |
| [00:36:53] | mindoms: | it came with ubuntu. ill look into it. |
| [00:37:25] | wagnerrp: | 8M entries means around 1100 hours of recordings |
| [00:37:40] | wagnerrp: | thats not something you would want to have to rebuild seektables for |
| [00:38:17] | mindoms: | yeah, its about 1.5 TB or something. ... on an intel-atom single core... |
| [00:38:42] | wagnerrp: | well CPU doesnt really matter |
| [00:38:50] | wagnerrp: | all youre doing is parsing the MPEG container structure |
| [00:38:54] | wagnerrp: | youre not really decoding anything |
| [00:39:01] | wagnerrp: | but your backend is running on a single core atom? |
| [00:39:10] | mindoms: | /etc/cron.weekly/mythtv-database just calls mysqlcheck and mythconverg_backup.pl |
| [00:40:13] | mindoms: | yeah, i got 2 dvb-t usb-sticks, recording mpg2 SD stuff. i can record all 7 channels at the same time :) |
| [00:40:38] | wagnerrp: | well you can record all of two channels with two tuners |
| [00:40:54] | wagnerrp: | you may be able to record 7 subchannels on those two channels at the same time |
| [00:41:09] | mindoms: | n, thanks to multirec 1 stick can record all multiple shows on the same multiplex. |
| [00:41:55] | wagnerrp: | one channel is one multiplex |
| [00:42:29] | mindoms: | okay, thanks for the info. so i get 4 different TV-channels on one channel/multiplex |
| [00:42:44] | mindoms: | ... low bitrate/quality, but what the heck :) |
| [00:43:41] | wagnerrp: | well as mentioned, you could truncate that table and rebuild the data |
| [00:43:52] | mindoms: | so. about that recordedseek problem... how long would it take to rebuild the seektable for those 11000 hours of recording? is it days / weeks / months ? |
| [00:43:57] | wagnerrp: | but youre looking at a couple minutes per recording to rebuild it |
| [00:44:07] | mindoms: | okay, thanks |
| [00:44:18] | wagnerrp: | so a few days worth of processing |
| [00:44:25] | wagnerrp: | you could recover that table from the last backup |
| [00:44:35] | wagnerrp: | and then only reprocess those recordings made since then |
| [00:44:40] | wagnerrp: | but youre on your own for that one |
| [00:45:14] | wagnerrp: | and if you dont already know your way around mysql well enough to do that now, its probably not worth attempting |
| [00:45:22] | mindoms: | okay, thank you. i guess i can apply the table from a backup. |
| [00:45:57] | wagnerrp: | manual db tinkering is generally frowned upon, since most users are more likely to just screw things up further |
| [00:45:58] | mindoms: | how can i start rebuilding ? |
| [00:46:07] | wagnerrp: | so at least make a backup of your current database before doing anything |
| [00:46:29] | mindoms: | okay, ill make another backup |
| [00:46:31] | wagnerrp: | 'truncate table recordedseek;', then rerun mysqlcheck to mark the table as clean |
| [00:47:09] | wagnerrp: | and there is an option in mythcommflag to mark all recordings as needed to rebuild |
| [00:47:16] | wagnerrp: | not sure off hand how to do that |
| [00:47:32] | mindoms: | okay, thanks. ill just look at the usage. |
| [00:47:33] | wagnerrp: | i think you might just run 'mythcommflag --rebuild' with no other arguments |
| [00:47:55] | wagnerrp: | i guess it would be '--rebuild --all' |
| [00:47:57] | clever: | wagnerrp: might need --all also |
| [00:47:59] | clever: | yeah |
| [00:48:33] | mindoms: | hm. but this would not skip correct entries from the backup, would it? |
| [00:49:10] | clever: | you would still have the issue of only restoring one table and not making the other tables worse (older) |
| [00:49:40] | wagnerrp: | right, which is why the easier solution is to just dump the whole thing, and reprocess them all |
| [00:50:33] | mindoms: | sorry, im not sure if i understand. even if i do it rright and only restore that table, there might be problems? |
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| [00:51:00] | wagnerrp: | there are always possible problems when you go tinkering in the database |
| [00:51:09] | clever: | the backup holds every table, restoring just one can be a bit tricky |
| [00:51:19] | wagnerrp: | which is why the 'safe' solution is to truncate that table and rebuild it from scratch |
| [00:51:26] | clever: | and it would have loose references to recordings you have deleted since the backup |
| [00:51:35] | wagnerrp: | and why if you dont already know how to recover a single table, you should just take the safe route |
| [00:52:21] | wagnerrp: | it will take longer, on the order of a couple days |
| [00:52:53] | mindoms: | is it okay to record other shows while rebuilding the table? |
| [00:53:08] | wagnerrp: | perfectly fine |
| [00:53:20] | wagnerrp: | so long as your disk is up to the task |
| [00:53:33] | wagnerrp: | rebuilding the seek table is not CPU intensive |
| [00:53:39] | wagnerrp: | so even on an Atom, it will saturate your disk |
| [00:53:50] | clever: | my old bttv card had trouble just flagging and capturing at once, but if your using one of those, then god will kill a kitten:P |
| [00:53:53] | mindoms: | hm. i do study computer science. i guess i should be able to restore that table... removing dead references should be possible too, i guess... |
| [00:54:10] | clever: | mindoms: atleast make a second backup before you try anything |
| [00:54:18] | wagnerrp: | youre talking about a table with 8 million entries |
| [00:54:27] | wagnerrp: | its not something to trivially edit in a text file |
| [00:54:42] | clever: | wagnerrp: grep can solve that in 10 seconds |
| [00:55:07] | wagnerrp: | no it cant |
| [00:55:23] | wagnerrp: | because those entries are all on one ginormous insert line |
| [00:55:34] | clever: | yeah, one line per table atleast |
| [00:55:56] | wagnerrp: | he was talking about cleaning up said table |
| [00:56:08] | clever: | you can clean the loose entrys out after the restore using a simple multi-table query, delete from recordedseek where (chanid,starttime) not in (select chanid,starttime in recorded); |
| [00:56:46] | wagnerrp: | spurious entries in recordedseek should be cleansed by the housekeeper daily |
| [00:56:59] | clever: | which probly uses the above query to do just that |
| [00:57:06] | kormoc: | no, it doesn't |
| [00:57:44] | kormoc: | clever, you need to stop guessing. Don't speak until you know |
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| [00:57:55] | clever: | kormoc: seems like a simple enough task |
| [00:58:15] | clever: | where did i leave the source... |
| [00:59:25] | clever: | kormoc: ah, i see it now |
| [00:59:35] | clever: | its using a temp table to make things go a bit faster |
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| [01:00:25] | mindoms: | okay, my mysql is really rusty, and im tired. ill go the safe way :) |
| [01:00:32] | mindoms: | thanks for your help |
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| [01:01:11] | clever: | kormoc: ahh, seperate select and insert querys fed thru myth, i was thinking of less client side code myself |
| [01:01:54] | wagnerrp: | clever: its done that way because its doing about half a dozen tables, rather than just recordedseek |
| [01:02:23] | clever: | yeah |
| [01:02:27] | Captain_Murdoch: | wagnerrp, one option to consider at some point might be to move the recording/transcoding profile editor to the HTML setup. it's really a backend thing. also, for your 'auto create a job for each profile' idea, we could give the user a button to auto-create a job for a profile. for the jobs to copy during the DB upgrade, I say keep your life simple. copy user jobs over, make a auto-profile no-cutlist mythtranscode, and a |
| [01:02:27] | Captain_Murdoch: | commflag job and that's it. users wanting more could make them easily enough. we can also make the jobqueue editor have a 'copy' function to create a new job as a copy of another. with that functionality and the a little bit of logic or examples in the editor to create mythtranscode jobs, I think that's enough for most users. |
| [01:02:44] | clever: | ive been meaning to get some similar maintaince done on my own db |
| [01:02:55] | clever: | just recently discovered 50k dead rows in a table |
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| [01:05:25] | wagnerrp: | Captain_Murdoch: well the commflag tasks would be easy enough to transfer over as well |
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| [01:05:37] | wagnerrp: | the problem was just all the different permutations of transcode options |
| [01:06:48] | wagnerrp: | i was hoping to be able to do these changes with the standard static SQL statements |
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| [01:07:00] | wagnerrp: | but im thinking this would require some real code to pull off |
| [01:07:35] | Captain_Murdoch: | yeah, I say keep it simple. let the user make the permutations they want. I have 5 different transcode profiles but use only 1, auto-detect from MPEG2. |
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| [01:07:46] | wagnerrp: | ditto |
| [01:08:33] | wagnerrp: | but if im not defining all those, then i have no way to link up the default profile in recording rules |
| [01:09:44] | mindoms: | recordedseek is just for commercialskip? |
| [01:10:07] | wagnerrp: | no, seek tables |
| [01:10:21] | wagnerrp: | a record of all keyframes in all recordings |
| [01:10:43] | mindoms: | thanks again. lets rebuild :) |
| [01:14:43] | mindoms: | ~1000 fps... i think my HDDs wont sleep for a long time :/ |
| [01:14:56] | wagnerrp: | a couple days |
| [01:15:21] | Captain_Murdoch: | wagnerrp, ah, ok. record.transcoder is another wrench. doesn't seem too complicated though. we can run code during DB upgrades and can also use temp tables. 20 lines of code are better than 20 email replies on list explaining why something didn't come over during the upgrade. :) |
| [01:15:35] | wagnerrp: | i would say 2.5 days |
| [01:15:59] | wagnerrp: | well im thinking it would be more like 100–200 |
| [01:16:13] | wagnerrp: | if im going to bother to migrate a little, i might as well do everything |
| [01:16:25] | wagnerrp: | no sense half assing it |
| [01:16:28] | Captain_Murdoch: | lines of code? I think we could use the power of SQL and knock that down quite a bit. |
| [01:17:30] | Captain_Murdoch: | I'd just have the migrate auto-create jobs for profiles that are in use though. |
| [01:17:32] | wagnerrp: | well unless kormoc wants to write the code, i just know how to run basic queries, not loops and control structures |
| [01:17:53] | Captain_Murdoch: | I think with a few insert selects, temp tables, etc. we can do it fairly easily. |
| [01:18:06] | Captain_Murdoch: | do you have a schema worked up yet for the new job table(s)? |
| [01:19:28] | mindoms: | are there any plans for more 4:3 themes? |
| [01:21:49] | Captain_Murdoch: | some in the works I think, but not being aggressively developed and possibly not what you're looking for. nothing being done by core devs, all by the community. |
| [01:23:45] | wagnerrp: | http://pastebin.com/H6NwVTQP |
| [01:25:36] | wagnerrp: | then the autodetect transcoder would be defined like this... http://pastebin.com/uwhrq5aY |
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| [01:26:57] | wagnerrp: | needsfile would add a check on the local jobqueue that it needs file access to the recordings to function |
| [01:27:16] | wagnerrp: | cpuintense/diskintense could be used for some future auto-scaling scheduler |
| [01:27:59] | Captain_Murdoch: | ok, I'll take a look at that and see what I can come up with. |
| [01:28:33] | Beirdo: | jpabq: according to one of Mark's emails, he seems to be travelling. I haven't got a clue how to get the ES support working, sorry |
| [01:28:42] | wagnerrp: | no need to do it right now |
| [01:29:05] | wagnerrp: | im putting together a function to do it in 'poor mans mysql' |
| [01:29:17] | wagnerrp: | if you think its worth cleaning it up later, feel free |
| [01:29:23] | Captain_Murdoch: | wagnerrp, it's a brain challenge, something to think about when I can't be at the computer typing. :) |
| [01:29:30] | wagnerrp: | fair enough |
| [01:29:51] | jpabq: | Beirdo, thanks. I just noticed in the config that it was not being enabled, and wondered what it took. Looks like there are mesa ES packages for Fedora 15 pending. |
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| [01:35:16] | Captain_Murdoch: | wagnerrp, did your SQL not complain about that jobcommand table since you have a column named 'default' which is a reserved word? or did you put it in quotes or create outside of mysql client? |
| [01:35:36] | wagnerrp: | i havent actually attempted it yet |
| [01:35:51] | Captain_Murdoch: | ah. :) you may want to use a different column name other than 'default'. |
| [01:36:07] | wagnerrp: | the 'default' field marks a task as something that will be run by default on new recording rules |
| [01:36:12] | Captain_Murdoch: | we might have to put it in quotes all over the code since its' a reserved word. |
| [01:36:40] | wagnerrp: | so something like the commflagger would be the only thing marked as default |
| [01:36:49] | wagnerrp: | (or whatever that word gets changed to) |
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| [02:03:48] | Beirdo: | OK, food then I think about db logging |
| [02:07:46] | sphery: | heh, the "bad taste" part of this article makes me think of fmu (also of media.mit): http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/04/27/mit_m . . . ito_rejoice/ |
| [02:09:02] | sphery: | mindoms: did you fix your DB? Generally, that error you quoted results from a failure of an automatic repair--and requires a manual repair that allows it to use the frm file to fix the table |
| [02:10:37] | mindoms: | i am just rebuilding the index using mythcommflag. after clearing the table |
| [02:10:37] | mindoms: | sphery: what is the "frm file" ? |
| [02:10:51] | sphery: | mindoms: http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/mysqlcheck.html |
| [02:13:43] | mindoms: | oh, interesting :) well. ... rebuilding the seektable is in progress... and a already cleared the table. so i guess i will just wait. thanks anyway! |
| [02:14:02] | sphery: | yeah, at this point, it's too late, but now you know for next time |
| [02:14:31] | sphery: | the non-automatic repair could have resulted in fixing it with the loss of 0, 1, or up to all records |
| [02:14:42] | sphery: | depending on what particular problem there way |
| [02:14:43] | sphery: | was |
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| [02:17:58] | mindoms: | thanx. very good to know. |
| [02:17:59] | mindoms: | is mythcommflag able to rebuild only the missing shows? |
| [02:19:47] | sphery: | no, you have to know which ones need rebuilding |
| [02:20:02] | sphery: | easiest thing is a bash for loop script |
| [02:20:17] | sphery: | 2nd best is careful record keeping |
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| [02:22:50] | mindoms: | sphery: about snd thing: you mean just dont mess things up? |
| [02:23:12] | sphery: | no, I mean keep track of which ones you've run it on and which you have yet to run it on |
| [02:23:36] | sphery: | get a snapshot list of all your current files (meaning the ones you need to run it on) and then check each one off as you do it |
| [02:24:00] | wagnerrp: | sphery: or you just run --all |
| [02:24:27] | sphery: | something like: ls /srv/mythtv/tv{1,2,3,4}/*.mpg > files_to_rebuild_seektables |
| [02:24:32] | Captain_Murdoch: | wagnerrp, here ya go: http://pastebin.com/kT2j3XUT |
| [02:24:38] | sphery: | --all wasn't designed to work with --rebuild |
| [02:24:48] | Captain_Murdoch: | wagnerrp, it's up to you to implement the user job part by copying the commflag job part. :) |
| [02:24:50] | sphery: | some changes were made so it might work |
| [02:24:55] | sphery: | but I don't think it does |
| [02:25:03] | wagnerrp: | Captain_Murdoch: so much for something to mull over while youre not at the computer... :) |
| [02:25:41] | Captain_Murdoch: | didn't want to watch the royal wedding stuff with my wife, so... :) |
| [02:25:52] | Captain_Murdoch: | I'll pastebin the results of those as well for you to see. |
| [02:26:04] | sphery: | last I looked (which, admittedly, was a while ago), --all --rebuild resulted in re-commflagging all recordings and not rebuilding seek tables for any |
| [02:26:47] | mindoms: | sphery: No, it is definitly not commflagging. 3000fps would do on my intel atom |
| [02:27:04] | mindoms: | arg. would *not* doe |
| [02:27:17] | Captain_Murdoch: | wagnerrp, http://pastebin.com/JdhTVJGV is the resulting jobcommand table. |
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| [02:30:11] | Captain_Murdoch: | wagnerrp, ah, one issue, can't specify cmdid = 0 in the insert, '0' means use the auto-increment, so would need to update jobcommand set cmdid = 0 where cmdid = 1; after the insert. not sure if there's a way to do that in the insert itself. |
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| [02:33:13] | loller: | ##namespace is the cool place to hang out. You can find most of the cool people there. In ##namespace you can just chill and do whatever and totally relax. "Take it easy" is the ##namespace motto, for example, that's how laid back it is there. Show up if you want to have a good time. Another good reason to show up is if you want to hang out with friends. |
| [02:33:58] | straterra: | uh huh |
| [02:35:22] | Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +o wagnerrp | |
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| [02:35:37] | mindoms: | FIY. brackets like (whatever) tells the filename parser to ignore a string |
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| [02:36:36] | loller: | (04:32:52) (rww_) loller: Don't advertise in here. |
| [02:36:51] | loller: | ##namespace is the cool place to hang out. You can find most of the cool people there. In ##namespace you can just chill and do whatever and totally relax. "Take it easy" is the ##namespace motto, for example, that's how laid back it is there. Show up if you want to have a good time. Another good reason to show up is if you want to hang out with friends. |
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| [02:43:06] | wagnerrp: | mindoms: youre talking about mythvideo? |
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| [02:56:02] | mindoms: | wagnerrp: Yes, sorry if that was unclear |
| [02:56:28] | wagnerrp: | yes, removing anything from within parentheses, brackets, and braces was intentional |
| [02:56:59] | mindoms: | wagnerrp: Yes, and it is great that was. i asked before if there was something like this, but i guess it was not seen |
| [02:57:12] | wagnerrp: | it is too allow duplicate movie names, such as The Italian Job, Assault on Precinct 13, The Manchurian Candidate... etc |
| [02:57:38] | wagnerrp: | so you could have 'The Italian Job (1971).iso' to differentiate |
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| [02:58:14] | mindoms: | yep. my example was "Terminator II (Eng).avi" vs "Terminator II (Ger).avi" |
| [02:59:06] | mindoms: | mythvideo: is there a shortcut for "reset details" ? |
| [02:59:17] | wagnerrp: | should be in the 'i' menu |
| [03:01:38] | mindoms: | it is. but a shortcut would be very handy in my case. im renaming files on the filesystem "The Italian Job 1971.avi" -> "The Italian Job (1971).avi" |
| [03:02:19] | mindoms: | ... but metadata update (w) will not work unless i resetted the files metadata... |
| [03:02:21] | sphery: | I love how a user proves me wrong by directly contradicting the behavior he described in his original post |
| [03:03:50] | mindoms: | sphery: hm. talking about me? ... im the only user here :) |
| [03:04:36] | wagnerrp: | mindoms: when sphery complains, hes generally complaining about the mailing list |
| [03:04:44] | sphery: | '"Fetch channels from listing source" stopped working for all 3 cards' ... I say, "It will not work for Firewire-connected Video Sources" ... He replies, 'Actually, I just tried "Fetch channels from listings source" with my Firewire Video Source, and it worked fine.' |
| [03:05:00] | mindoms: | :D |
| [03:05:06] | sphery: | yes, mailing list makes me complain |
| [03:05:31] | wagnerrp: | it will _not_ work? i thought that was the preferred way of populating firewire channels |
| [03:05:38] | sphery: | here, I only complain about idiots who, when pointed to the wiki's user-contributed scripts page, say, "If I did write a script, I wouldn't share it" |
| [03:05:38] | wagnerrp: | i didnt think you could scan for them |
| [03:05:51] | wagnerrp: | hahaha... i remember that |
| [03:05:55] | wagnerrp: | that was pretty choice |
| [03:05:56] | sphery: | wagnerrp: yes, you /must/ scan for them |
| [03:06:19] | wagnerrp: | that was almost as choice as some doofus advertising for some other channel in here |
| [03:06:20] | sphery: | but the mythtv-setup UI disables the Fetch button for certain sources, when fetching is not expected to work |
| [03:06:56] | sphery: | so you always had to use mfdb --only-update-channels --do-not-filter-new-channels |
| [03:07:06] | wagnerrp: | in a related matter, the kickban shortcuts in xchat are nice |
| [03:07:18] | sphery: | but it's possible that danielk finally got the "scannable/unscannable" digital differentiation working |
| [03:07:23] | sphery: | just in time to throw away mythtv-setup |
| [03:07:45] | sphery: | heh, did you get to test the shortcuts? |
| [03:07:51] | sphery: | the loller guy? |
| [03:08:00] | sphery: | heh, yeah |
| [03:08:10] | sphery: | good--I considered it, but wasn't sure what was going on |
| [03:08:27] | wagnerrp: | yeah, theres a bunch of pre-set options for banning with different masks |
| [03:08:41] | wagnerrp: | i wasnt sure what was going on either, but i knew it had absolutely nothing to do with mythtv |
| [03:08:54] | sphery: | true |
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| [03:09:03] | sphery: | glad you made a command decision |
| [03:09:07] | wagnerrp: | and when you get kicked, come right back and say the exact same thing... time for a ban |
| [03:10:11] | mindoms: | possible to tell mythvideo mass metadata downloader to treat renamed files as new files? |
| [03:10:38] | wagnerrp: | in order to re-parse the name, you must move the file outside a mythvideo folder, rescan, move it back, and rescan again |
| [03:11:14] | wagnerrp: | if you want the bulk downloader to reprocess a file, there is a menu option to reset the 'processed' tag |
| [03:11:21] | sphery: | wow, yeah, definitely ban material |
| [03:11:32] | wagnerrp: | but if youre going to go into the menu to reset it to allow the bulk downloader to reprocess it |
| [03:11:39] | sphery: | didn't notice the repeat until you mentioned it |
| [03:11:40] | wagnerrp: | you may as well just tell it to download new metadata directly |
| [03:12:39] | mindoms: | nope, then it uses the old name. i have to reset it right now |
| [03:14:17] | wagnerrp: | if the manual downloader gets it wrong, the bulk downloader will as well |
| [03:14:29] | wagnerrp: | at which point you must clear it, and then specify the tmdb id manually |
| [03:15:33] | mindoms: | file was allready in mythvideo, i renamed it so it may be parsed correctls, then i wanted to rescan. this is what happened: http://pastebin.com/JAhsChzh |
| [03:15:40] | sphery: | strange to hear, "Of course, years of messing about with MythTV has utterly ruined me for enjoying TV without examining the picture quality critically." from a PVR-500 user |
| [03:15:59] | sphery: | of course, he just got his first taste of digital capture, so maybe he really thought he was seeing quality |
| [03:16:07] | wagnerrp: | mindoms: once a file is in mythvideo, it will never be reparsed |
| [03:16:32] | wagnerrp: | the only way to get it to reparse is as explained, to move it outside, rescan to wipe it completely, move it back, and scan again |
| [03:17:17] | mindoms: | well. it does work i i use "reset details" from the "i" menu |
| [03:17:31] | wagnerrp: | but that will not re-parse the filename |
| [03:17:42] | wagnerrp: | the hash will be used to match up the new filename with the old |
| [03:18:18] | wagnerrp: | erm... maybe 'reset details' does reparse the filename |
| [03:18:30] | mindoms: | well. i see it happening here... |
| [03:18:35] | wagnerrp: | i had thought it just cleared out everything but the default four fields |
| [03:19:34] | sphery: | I am pretty sure it doesn't re-figure-out-tv-vs-movie |
| [03:19:40] | sphery: | which implies it's not re-parsing filename |
| [03:20:02] | sphery: | but I admit I'm not a MV expert |
| [03:22:15] | sphery: | heh... "04.27 23:05:56 <+sphery> wagnerrp: yes, you /must/ scan for them" was supposed to be "yes, you /must/ fetch them" |
| [03:22:27] | mindoms: | well. sorry, im tired (5:22 am here) i'll let the LOG speak: http://pastebin.com/mcSRRJE9 |
| [03:22:49] | sphery: | you can't scan firewire, but the mythtv-setup UI didn't (doesn't?) allow Fetch, so you use mfdb directly |
| [03:24:06] | ** Beirdo scans sphery. ** | |
| [03:24:14] | Beirdo: | yep, there's life there |
| [03:24:34] | ** mycoDA personally wishers there was a 1 click shortcut to specify tmdb # in mythvideo ** | |
| [03:24:53] | wagnerrp: | i think its three clicks |
| [03:25:19] | sphery: | Beirdo: heh, most people who know me would beg to differ... Thus all the "Get a life" comments |
| [03:25:19] | wagnerrp: | could always add direct access to a keybinding with a patch |
| [03:25:29] | ** wagnerrp makes a not so subtle hint ** | |
| [03:25:35] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [03:26:11] | Beirdo: | OK, let's see what I wanna do for db logging |
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| [03:34:47] | ** Beirdo pokes sphery with a stick ** | |
| [03:36:50] | sphery: | huh, wha? |
| [03:37:10] | sphery: | ooh, doing db logging stuff--nice |
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| [04:39:47] | Beirdo: | hmmm |
| [04:39:59] | Beirdo: | how to find the hostname to store in db... :) |
| [04:41:56] | wagnerrp: | as in something other than the one that comes out of mythcorecontext? |
| [04:42:29] | Beirdo: | that's likely the one I want... hadn't gotten that far in the grep yet |
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| [04:50:02] | mindoms: | mythfrontand and mythcommflag (rebuilding recordedseek) have problems connecting to the backend.. http://pastebin.com/DVvQ35Az |
| [04:50:52] | wagnerrp: | your backend has deadlocked, restart it |
| [04:51:23] | mindoms: | okay. so its just what it says. thanks |
| [04:52:12] | mindoms: | hm. mythcommflag didnt like the restart :/ |
| [04:52:59] | wagnerrp: | start doing it in segments with the --allstart and --allend |
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| [05:01:09] | mindoms: | great, that does it. |
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| [05:03:19] | mindoms: | ... but there is too much going wrong with the backend lately. having the / (incl mythconverg) on an usb-drive is not a good idea... |
| [05:03:47] | Beirdo: | oO |
| [05:04:05] | Beirdo: | I think that was understatement of the day |
| [05:06:23] | mindoms: | wel... but it does its job... most of the time. im affraid i am getting beyond the write-cycles... |
| [05:10:15] | mycoDA: | compact flash may be an alternate mindoms – it has an IDE interface which may be more reliable, tho still has the write cycle issue |
| [05:11:37] | Beirdo: | or a USB hard drive |
| [05:11:49] | mindoms: | mycoDA: yeah, i've thought about that. is it hard to find one that supports DMA? ... but im considering a small SSD... but there is just free usb and PATA... |
| [05:13:37] | wagnerrp: | or a more modern system? |
| [05:14:10] | wagnerrp: | something from the past decade would be preferred |
| [05:14:28] | mindoms: | intel atom... oh, that aint that old... |
| [05:14:49] | mycoDA: | sorta is really – p3 based |
| [05:14:55] | wagnerrp: | performance wise, its comparable to a high end P3 |
| [05:15:05] | Beirdo: | heheheh |
| [05:15:19] | mindoms: | in fact it even is the mythfrontend for my projector... |
| [05:16:21] | wagnerrp: | i think any of the tualitin cores would give a single core atom a run for its money |
| [05:16:35] | wagnerrp: | and any dothan would curb stomp it |
| [05:16:36] | mycoDA: | thats p3c isnt it? |
| [05:16:41] | mycoDA: | tulatin |
| [05:17:08] | wagnerrp: | yeah, katami, coppermine, tulatin |
| [05:17:13] | wagnerrp: | third generation of p3s |
| [05:17:14] | mindoms: | yeah, just googled that :) >>The third version of the Pentium III processor<< |
| [05:17:22] | wagnerrp: | came with a die shrink and more cache |
| [05:17:53] | mindoms: | yeah, might be. but my little atom gut HT ;) |
| [05:18:11] | mycoDA: | my 1st myth system was a p3 866, didnt work all that well rofl |
| [05:18:35] | mycoDA: | ht doesnt give you any more kick, is only handy if a thread blocks |
| [05:18:40] | mindoms: | hmpf. empathy doesn't know /quit... or /part... |
| [05:18:41] | wagnerrp: | hyperthreading is a mixed blessing |
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| [05:18:55] | wagnerrp: | some workloads it helps, most it doesnt |
| [05:19:17] | wagnerrp: | and hyperthreading mixed with the instruction dispatcher on the in-order atom is just a joke |
| [05:19:22] | larrikin: | is there a way to associate an alternate transcoder with a transcoding profile ? |
| [05:19:46] | wagnerrp: | larrikin: no, you have to set it up using a User Job |
| [05:19:52] | mindoms: | well. thanks for that support. i got to get to bed before the sun burns my skin. good morning |
| [05:20:02] | larrikin: | okay thanks wagnerrp |
| [05:20:21] | kormoc: | Mmm.. X5650's... |
| [05:20:26] | wagnerrp: | you can replace the entire mythtranscode with another program |
| [05:20:27] | mycoDA: | good afternoon |
| [05:20:33] | wagnerrp: | but you cannot do it for a single profile |
| [05:21:01] | mindoms: | /quit bye |
| [05:21:06] | mindoms: | hmpf |
| [05:21:07] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: you swap out the chips in your desktop? |
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| [05:21:18] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, nah. My new database servers for work :) |
| [05:21:36] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, I got 20 of those (10 dual proc servers) |
| [05:21:39] | wagnerrp: | the term 'desktop' used loosely in this case |
| [05:21:44] | ** kormoc laughs ** | |
| [05:21:57] | kormoc: | it acts like a desk. I put a fair bit of stuff on top of it |
| [05:22:51] | ** mycoDA has always wanted a nice REAL desktop – with the pc actually built into the top of a desk ** | |
| [05:23:22] | wagnerrp: | you mean tron-esque? |
| [05:24:02] | mycoDA: | dont recall seeing one, but have never seen end to end |
| [05:24:14] | clever: | just cut an ipad sized hole in your desk :P |
| [05:24:17] | mycoDA: | i mean in this case in a glass desk |
| [05:24:34] | mycoDA: | oh i know what u mean |
| [05:24:42] | wagnerrp: | large touchscreen built into the surface of the desktop |
| [05:24:58] | mycoDA: | i dont mean the control surfaces, i mean the computer itself |
| [05:25:00] | wagnerrp: | so more like six ipads mounted in holes in your desk |
| [05:25:13] | clever: | just be carefull where you put the coffee in the morning, you dont want the pron coming up when the wife is in the room |
| [05:25:36] | kormoc: | clever, good thing you'll never have to worry bout any of that |
| [05:25:45] | mycoDA: | lol ouch |
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| [05:25:48] | clever: | :P |
| [05:26:16] | wagnerrp: | so you want something like http://www.geeky-gadgets.com/the-desk-pc-case-mod-08-12-2009 |
| [05:26:41] | mycoDA: | firefox crashed again |
| [05:26:59] | clever: | wagnerrp: neat |
| [05:27:36] | mycoDA: | thats it yeah – have been a few done |
| [05:28:12] | wagnerrp: | http://www.pcworld.com/article/224804 |
| [05:28:15] | mycoDA: | seen one that was a lot nicer lookin than that |
| [05:28:40] | mycoDA: | slot loader dvd flush mounted, wooden desk blah blah blah |
| [05:29:55] | kormoc: | http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-20002399-1.html |
| [05:31:09] | larrikin: | anyone have f/hand experience with the Asus P6T WS Professional mobo ? |
| [05:31:09] | wagnerrp: | too bad those speaker drivers arent on the opposite side of those horns |
| [05:31:17] | wagnerrp: | but it probably sounds much better that way |
| [05:31:33] | Shadow__X: | apparently frys is having a sale on samsung 120hz lcd tvs |
| [05:31:37] | Shadow__X: | http://www.dealigg.com/story-Frys-Samsung-40- . . . ems-from-499 |
| [05:31:48] | Shadow__X: | just thought i would mention it here |
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| [05:34:23] | mycoDA: | seen that kormoc – there is also a tour of his whole house online |
| [05:34:27] | mycoDA: | amazing stuff |
| [05:37:51] | wagnerrp: | i wouldnt mind a computer hidden deep in a desk, with water cooling pumping the heat to another room |
| [05:38:05] | wagnerrp: | but those desks designed to show off the guts of the pc... just arent for me |
| [05:38:18] | wagnerrp: | computers are meant to be used, not to look at |
| [05:40:13] | clever: | just put the whole tower in another room |
| [05:40:25] | clever: | punch a hole in the wall and feed the dvi/usb thru |
| [05:40:59] | clever: | maybe use an HDTV and one of those tilting mounts |
| [05:43:27] | wagnerrp: | HDTVs suck for computer monitors |
| [05:44:02] | clever: | yeah, it would be a bit huge to be sitting right infront of it |
| [05:45:32] | wagnerrp: | huge has nothing to do with it |
| [05:45:45] | wagnerrp: | a 42" display would be fine if it ran at 4K resolution |
| [05:46:08] | mycoDA: | could just use an xterm wagnerrp – do it unix style |
| [05:46:26] | wagnerrp: | but you would need it recessed down into the top of the desk |
| [05:46:46] | mycoDA: | there are dumb terminals that are just a screen |
| [05:46:47] | wagnerrp: | evne the 30" displays are a bit too tall to sit in front of on a desk |
| [05:47:10] | kormoc: | Ugh... I need typing gloves... |
| [05:47:19] | wagnerrp: | you never want to be looking up at your screen |
| [05:47:20] | mycoDA: | i need typing fingwrs |
| [05:47:21] | wagnerrp: | always down |
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| [05:47:45] | wagnerrp: | typing gloves? |
| [05:47:58] | mycoDA: | ie fingerless? |
| [05:48:01] | kormoc: | Yeah. I'm working in the DC for the next while, it's chilly |
| [05:48:07] | mycoDA: | like cycling gloves? |
| [05:48:15] | mycoDA: | or riggers gloves |
| [05:48:19] | banyan: | Hello. I have a recent update to fedora 14 that stops making sound whenever I try to run the frontend... gonna need a hand troubleshooting this... |
| [05:49:03] | wagnerrp: | you need larger hands and/or better circulation |
| [05:49:24] | kormoc: | Better circulation for sure |
| [05:49:32] | banyan: | restarting x fixes it. then mplayer works fine, youtube videos sound fine, then I run mythtv. get no sound and afterwards get no sound from anything else. |
| [05:49:40] | larrikin: | mate just *today* received his shiny new Dell U2711 monitor .. |
| [05:49:42] | kormoc: | banyan, turn off pulse? |
| [05:49:53] | mycoDA: | lol was about to say that kormoc |
| [05:49:59] | mycoDA: | ubninstall the sod |
| [05:50:17] | wagnerrp: | s/uninstall/print out, and then burn/ |
| [05:50:37] | mycoDA: | roflmao |
| [05:50:39] | larrikin: | why does libbluray need java ? |
| [05:51:24] | wagnerrp: | because bluray is java based? |
| [05:51:28] | banyan: | that isn't something that's done from the system/preferences sound thing I don't imagine. |
| [05:51:42] | mycoDA: | package manager banyan |
| [05:51:50] | larrikin: | is it ? .. I don't own a single bluray device yet .. makes mplayer a big install |
| [05:53:23] | banyan: | just yum remove pulse... no monkeying around with /etc/yada.yada.blah.rc? |
| [05:54:08] | mycoDA: | would be something i would ask fedora people banyan lol |
| [05:54:11] | wagnerrp: | larrikin: decryption, menus, anything interactive is all done within a java virtual machine |
| [05:55:03] | wagnerrp: | so unlike dvd and hddvd, the system is completely programmable, within the performance limits of the hardware |
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| [07:07:00] | DavidGreen: | I've got a question, what do people suggest for a stable, inexpensive tuner card for handling QAM reception? |
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| [07:07:45] | wagnerrp: | one or two tuners? interface? |
| [07:08:13] | DavidGreen: | probably one to start, might add a second later, PCI or PCI-E, I've got a couple of each in the box I'm planning on using |
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| [07:10:12] | wagnerrp: | for single pcie, my hvr-1250 hasnt given me a bit of trouble in almost three years |
| [07:11:12] | DavidGreen: | ok, do you know if the remote that comes with that is supported by Myth? |
| [07:11:38] | wagnerrp: | mythtv doesnt support remotes |
| [07:12:09] | wagnerrp: | mythtv supports LIRC, LIRC supports remotes |
| [07:12:10] | mycoDA: | lirc does is the rest of that statement |
| [07:12:14] | mycoDA: | lol |
| [07:12:27] | DavidGreen: | so does lirc support the remote on the 1250? :) |
| [07:12:39] | wagnerrp: | similarly, mythtv doesnt support tuner cards... mythtv supports the DVB API and the DVB API is supported by drivers |
| [07:12:49] | wagnerrp: | last i checked, the IR on the 1250 was not functional |
| [07:13:03] | kormoc: | DavidGreen, you'd have to check lirc.org for that info |
| [07:13:13] | wagnerrp: | however a machine that has several of each PCI and PCIe is probably not something you would want to have sitting in front of your tv |
| [07:13:41] | DavidGreen: | it's already there so I'm not too concerned about it |
| [07:13:46] | mycoDA: | mine is behind it lol |
| [07:14:19] | DavidGreen: | it's been my main workhorse box for gaming and video but it's now been replaced for the gaming and heavy CPU work by a nice new Sandy Bridge MBP |
| [07:14:23] | wagnerrp: | admittedly, one of my frontends is a big ATX board in a mid-tower |
| [07:14:31] | mycoDA: | i think ur statement would depend on ur tv a LOT wagnerrp |
| [07:14:42] | DavidGreen: | so I figured I'd stuff it with some new drives and a tuner and dedicate it to running DVR duty |
| [07:14:52] | wagnerrp: | but thats only because it was built from an old desktop, and is sitting behind a huge wooden entertainment center |
| [07:14:56] | mycoDA: | lol ditto for mine but nehalem davidgreen |
| [07:15:37] | DavidGreen: | *nod* I figure Myth will be nice since I can run a frontend on either my MBP or my wife's MacBook too so we could watch shows from another room |
| [07:15:43] | wagnerrp: | a mac laptop for gaming? |
| [07:15:53] | DavidGreen: | for the little bit of gaming I do? sure |
| [07:15:59] | DavidGreen: | played through Portal 2 like butter |
| [07:16:24] | DavidGreen: | even the integrated Sandy Bridge graphics works fine for that on this 13" |
| [07:16:25] | wagnerrp: | well portal 2 is based on a 7yr old engine |
| [07:16:36] | DavidGreen: | and the dedicated on the 15"s is pretty decent |
| [07:16:45] | wagnerrp: | i wouldnt call it an intensive game |
| [07:16:45] | DavidGreen: | yeah, I'm aware |
| [07:16:50] | DavidGreen: | <- game developer |
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| [09:57:02] | Saxo: | I am new to mythtv. Was wondering if there is a way to share my cable TV with my friend that lives 2 blocks away. |
| [09:57:56] | Saxo: | Or is this just a video recorded on steroids =P |
| [09:58:23] | Saxo: | recorder* |
| [09:58:43] | mycoDA: | theoretically you could – but likely easier just to use a usb stick |
| [10:00:42] | Saxo: | mycoDA yeah that is what we have been doing. Sure it works but its kind of a pain to walk back and forth. Was thinking of maybe something like ffserver or some multicasting plugin. |
| [10:02:04] | Saxo: | mycoDA in theory what did you mean? |
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| [10:09:13] | AndyCap: | Saxo: it's probably a violation of your terms of service, and mythtv works best on the local network, and it has no security |
| [10:10:13] | mycoDA: | in theory long distance wifi has achieved 10s of ks, and in theory mythweb could use ur internet connection |
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| [10:10:46] | mycoDA: | but both are not likely to be practical, and are likely to have legal ramifications |
| [10:11:07] | Saxo: | AndyCap what terms would that be? |
| [10:11:23] | Saxo: | Or mycoDA |
| [10:12:23] | mycoDA: | owuld depend where you are – mainly copyright law |
| [10:12:30] | Saxo: | As far as security goes I always use SSH. Was thinking maybe I could implement SAP/SDP and RTP/RTCP to emulate being on an IPTV system. |
| [10:12:39] | Saxo: | mycoDA Oh you mean like that |
| [10:13:39] | mycoDA: | practical – ur dsl will take forever, and wifi isnt reliable |
| [10:13:59] | mycoDA: | and setting up long distance wifi is no task for the faint hearted |
| [10:14:17] | mycoDA: | ur looking at DIY or VERY expensive aerials |
| [10:14:17] | Saxo: | mycoDA living in Sweden most of the internet here is 100mbs/100mbs |
| [10:14:23] | mycoDA: | wow |
| [10:14:58] | mycoDA: | well ur likely to come into legal issues – but mythweb supports downloading&streaming |
| [10:15:17] | mycoDA: | at very least you would want a VPN |
| [10:16:00] | Saxo: | mycoDA If you want a wifi antenna that will do over a mile I have designed one for the guys over at Remote-Exploit |
| [10:16:02] | Saxo: | http://www.eriks.homeunix.com/antennas/ |
| [10:16:24] | mycoDA: | i was running about half that 13 years ago – think i am right |
| [10:16:41] | mycoDA: | 3mbit reliable on pre-802.11 wavelean gear |
| [10:17:25] | mycoDA: | we were running net sharing over about a 5k radius too |
| [10:17:43] | Saxo: | mycoDA =) |
| [10:18:07] | mycoDA: | waveguide ftw for that |
| [10:19:17] | Saxo: | mycoDA did you see the URL. The CAD I used was NEC-4 is from The Lawrence Livermore National Security, LLC, for the Department of Energy's National Nuclear Security Administration. |
| [10:20:35] | Saxo: | but if you were using waveguide I am guessing you used very high frequency RF. Must more info can be modulated into the single. |
| [10:20:41] | mycoDA: | isnt that where the national ignition facility is? |
| [10:21:21] | mycoDA: | all wifi is microwave -= will work nicely with a waveguide |
| [10:21:27] | Saxo: | mycoDA I don't know. I am just an RF engineer here in Sweden. |
| [10:22:03] | mycoDA: | not even an engineer yet lol – electronic technician cureently upgrading to mechatronic engineer |
| [10:22:26] | justinh: | hahaha just found out why the IT guy had such problems diagnosing the UDP flood the other week. He isn't allowed to log into the switches to monitor traffic |
| [10:22:40] | justinh: | we outsourced all the network management stuff |
| [10:22:48] | mycoDA: | pretty damn sure you could teach me quite a few things saxo lol |
| [10:22:54] | Saxo: | 2.4 GHz indeed microwaves but when you start hitting over 10GHz then you can really use parabolic antennas with gains that are crazy high. |
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| [10:23:30] | mycoDA: | btw – am an aussie not a yank lol |
| [10:24:14] | Onryo: | mycoDA I am Swedish =) |
| [10:24:23] | mycoDA: | sax https://lasers.llnl.gov/ |
| [10:24:30] | mycoDA: | national ignition facility |
| [10:24:39] | mycoDA: | majorly fascinating project |
| [10:25:32] | Onryo: | cool stuff indeed. Well my lunch brake is over. Got to get back to work. Take care! |
| [10:25:37] | ** justinh works near the Daresbury Particle Accelerator :-D ** | |
| [10:25:40] | mycoDA: | good luck lol |
| [10:26:11] | justinh: | the birthplace of one Lewis Carrol, where 'time slips' and other strange anomolies have been reported |
| [10:26:34] | justinh: | been here a few years, and still no sign of any headcrabs though |
| [10:27:17] | Onryo: | mycoDA if you interested in that stuff just Google my name Onryo antenna or BackTrack or Linux . Sure you will find some stuff on wifi =D Boss is looking over my arm. Got to run |
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| [10:31:03] | justinh: | holy poop. a yagi for wifi.. cutting tolerances of fractions of a millimetre. Sod that |
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| [13:27:23] | sphery: | So, is this is a deal I shouldn't pass up? $7.99 after $32MIR for ZOTAC ZT-20202–10L GeForce GT 220 512MB 128-bit DDR2 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready Video Card |
| [13:27:50] | sphery: | Available from 10:00AM – 12:59PM PT |
| [13:27:55] | sphery: | (newegg) |
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| [13:31:46] | mycoDA: | can u get me 1 sphery? |
| [13:31:59] | mycoDA: | will give u $15 AU lol |
| [13:32:11] | mycoDA: | our dollars are woth more than urs too :D |
| [13:32:27] | mycoDA: | surely u can post it here for $8 lol |
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| [13:33:35] | sphery: | heh |
| [13:33:51] | sphery: | the one rebate per customer part is the sticky point :) |
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| [13:38:24] | mycoDA: | awwwww |
| [13:38:47] | mycoDA: | for me its the 'only ship to US' bit |
| [13:39:12] | sphery: | heh, yeah |
| [13:39:18] | mycoDA: | but yeah – snap it up |
| [13:40:00] | mycoDA: | sell it if u dint want it |
| [13:40:09] | sphery: | cool... definitely a step up from my 7200 |
| [13:40:14] | sphery: | and it's vdpau capable |
| [13:40:51] | sphery: | (and might actually allow opengl video rendering with timestretch--which is too much for my 7200) |
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| [13:43:19] | mycoDA: | should do all that yup lol |
| [13:43:43] | mycoDA: | given i have a 7100 somewhere i know how limited it is |
| [13:44:18] | sphery: | heh, yeah--compared to the GF4MX440 I started with, it's huge--but nothing compared to modern ones |
| [13:45:01] | sphery: | it = my 7200 |
| [13:48:49] | mycoDA: | know what you mean |
| [13:49:05] | mycoDA: | tho – i ditched the 7100 a fair while ago lol |
| [14:04:57] | justinh: | ouch. car main stealer just gave me the bad news |
| [14:05:06] | justinh: | that'll teach me |
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| [14:21:42] | trumee: | My new install of myth-0.24 doesnt fetch the coverart. |
| [14:22:13] | trumee: | /opt/mythtv-0.24/share/mythtv/metadata/Movie/tmdb.py -l en -M Anjaana Anjaani |
| [14:22:16] | trumee: | No results found for Anjaana Anjaani 0 0 |
| [14:22:51] | trumee: | Funnily enough, if i run the command manually, /opt/mythtv-0.24/share/mythtv/metadata/Movie/tmdb.py -l en -M "Anjaana Anjaani" |
| [14:22:58] | trumee: | 44566:Anjaana Anjaani (2010) |
| [14:23:04] | trumee: | i get a vaild result |
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| [14:23:25] | trumee: | any idea what could be the problem? |
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| [14:29:12] | trumee: | ah!, had to install the opensuse python/perl bindings. Now it works. |
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| [15:00:21] | elmojo: | sphery: I don't see that deal at newegg for the GT220... is there a coupon needed? |
| [15:04:45] | sphery: | elmojo: 10:00AM – 12:59PM PT, so we still have 2hrs before it starts. It's the Shell Shocker during that period: http://www.newegg.com/Special/ShellShocker.aspx |
| [15:06:14] | elmojo: | sphery: ah, thanks for the heads up |
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| [15:07:20] | iamlindoro: | Shame the deal isn't on something in the 4xx series so that everyone could future-proof their audio passthrough |
| [15:07:47] | iamlindoro: | Then again, many of the 4xx series are cheap enough even without rebate to be worth considering |
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| [15:38:27] | sphery: | iamlindoro: No joke... I've been watching prices on 2xx and 4xx series, but 4xx is still quite a bit more expensive. I figure a $7.99 GT220 and an on-sale (later) GT4xx will still be cheaper than a GT4xx now. But I was really hoping to get a 4xx card. |
| [15:41:20] | sphery: | Though the $39.99 after $20MIR SPARKLE SXT430512S3LNM GeForce GT 430 (Fermi) 512MB 64-bit DDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready Low Profile Video Card isn't a bad price ( http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814187132 ) |
| [15:41:44] | sphery: | and I can live with the fan since frontend is hidden in another room |
| [15:41:55] | sphery: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp . . . ;PageSize=20 |
| [15:42:18] | sphery: | for all the GT*{2,4,5}xx cards |
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| [16:37:22] | trumee: | is analogue scanning broken in 0.24? |
| [16:38:04] | trumee: | I did a scan using Europe-West frequency, and got a list of channels. However, myth said Locked on all the frequencies it checked |
| [16:38:11] | trumee: | Now to the problem |
| [16:38:31] | trumee: | Mythfrontend doesnt let me change the channel using the Cursor keys. |
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| [16:40:34] | trumee: | However, the EPG does come up using the Menu and i am able to change the channel |
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| [16:42:03] | sphery: | trumee: cursor keys = up/down? |
| [16:42:11] | trumee: | sphery: yes |
| [16:42:13] | sphery: | are you sure you're not locked on a multiplex? |
| [16:42:28] | trumee: | sphery: i am on an analogue cable |
| [16:42:38] | sphery: | ok... browse mode enabled? |
| [16:42:50] | sphery: | I'm starting to think you have broken input connections |
| [16:42:54] | sphery: | possibly shadow channels |
| [16:43:15] | trumee: | sphery: hmm, not sure about that. If i press up key, and Ok, i dont get a channel change |
| [16:43:21] | sphery: | for broken input connections, you'd delete all video sources (as http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034 ) |
| [16:43:35] | sphery: | ok, so up key shows you what's on some other channel? |
| [16:44:21] | sphery: | (in the osd at bottom of screen) |
| [16:44:40] | trumee: | sphery: no it doesnt. i dont have an EPG yet, but it doesnt even show the channel number |
| [16:45:03] | trumee: | sphery: but i do get the channel number if i open the Programme guide and even select the channel |
| [16:45:03] | sphery: | then it's sounding more like shadow channels, etc. |
| [16:45:12] | sphery: | I think your input connections are broken |
| [16:45:18] | sphery: | possibly due to scanning issues |
| [16:45:31] | sphery: | the 0.24 analog scanning is supposed to work--but only in current fixes |
| [16:45:39] | sphery: | if you have an early 0.24, it won't work properly |
| [16:45:52] | trumee: | sphery: i do have the current fixes. updated two days ago |
| [16:46:38] | trumee: | sphery: i think problem is indeed the scanning |
| [16:46:56] | sphery: | I'd recommend delete all video sources (to clear out the garbage), then re-connect inputs, then scan for channels (assuming it's using internal tuning), then try again |
| [16:47:06] | trumee: | sphery: because the scan zips through the frequencies and adds all the channel numbers. |
| [16:47:27] | sphery: | if you're using an external tuner (such as an STB using SCART or whatever, you can't scan) |
| [16:48:01] | sphery: | have to admit I haven't done an analog channel scan in my life, so I can't guarantee its current status |
| [16:48:10] | trumee: | sphery: i have two analogue Tuner 1 and one Composite |
| [16:48:33] | sphery: | yeah, so you can scan for channels for the video source connected to the 2 tuners |
| [16:48:43] | sphery: | you'll need a different video source for the composite connection |
| [16:49:04] | sphery: | and can't scan for the composite connection |
| [16:49:21] | trumee: | sphery: yes, that is what i did |
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| [16:51:49] | wagnerrp: | trumee: the perl/python bindings are not installed with the mythtv package in opensuse? |
| [16:52:11] | trumee: | wagnerrp: i was using my own compiled package |
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| [16:52:44] | trumee: | wagnerrp: but now i have installed the perl/python bindings of opensuse, along with my own build of mythtv |
| [16:54:20] | wagnerrp: | trumee: if youre compiling on your own, then you should still have the perl/python bindings |
| [16:54:26] | wagnerrp: | they are all enabled by default |
| [16:54:35] | wagnerrp: | and would only not be enabled if you were missing deps |
| [16:54:38] | trumee: | wagnerrp: i installed myth in /opt/mythtv-0.24 |
| [16:54:54] | trumee: | wagnerrp: myt system doesnt seem to pick up from there |
| [16:54:57] | sphery: | sounds like they got put into a location that's not included in the perl/python libs for the environment running the grabber |
| [16:55:26] | sphery: | i.e. /opt/mythtv-0.24/lib/python/* isn't in the python path or whatever it's called |
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| [16:55:54] | sphery: | then the package put them into /usr/lib/python*/ and it started working |
| [16:56:02] | trumee: | sphery: this shouldnt affect the analogue channel scan? |
| [16:56:05] | sphery: | no |
| [16:56:50] | sphery: | but I have no more ideas on the analog scan, and my best advice for it was above (clear out the garbage and try again :) |
| [16:57:21] | trumee: | sphery: yes, that is what i am going to do now. I am rebuilding myth for the current fixes. |
| [16:57:37] | wagnerrp: | wiki spam, havent had any of that in months |
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| [16:57:56] | wagnerrp: | s/months/month/ |
| [16:58:07] | trumee: | wagnerrp: btw my system is hovering at 42C at max load now :) |
| [16:58:42] | trumee: | wagnerrp: cleared a lot of dust from the motherboard, changed the cpu cooler and installed lot of fans. brought cpu temp from 61 to 42C. |
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| [17:03:56] | sphery: | wagnerrp: can you do "playback" through a monitor connection? |
| [17:04:42] | wagnerrp: | the ONLY difference between 'Playback' and 'Monitor' is the idle shutdown stuff |
| [17:04:48] | wagnerrp: | playback blocks, monitor does not |
| [17:05:05] | wagnerrp: | aside from that, the available commands are all the same |
| [17:05:16] | sphery: | nice... so should be as easy as checking for a set idle shutdown value, and using monitor if there is one |
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| [17:05:29] | sphery: | thanks for confirmation |
| [17:05:49] | wagnerrp: | we really need to rethink the whole shutdown strategy |
| [17:06:18] | wagnerrp: | with the jobqueue broken out of the backend |
| [17:06:24] | sphery: | yeah |
| [17:06:32] | sphery: | need real tracking of what's happening |
| [17:06:43] | wagnerrp: | thats going to be a bit interesting determining when things can be shut down |
| [17:07:10] | wagnerrp: | and i still say mythwelcome should be abandoned, and mfe simply drop back to monitor when idle |
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| [17:11:12] | sphery: | OK, channel. I bought my $7.99 Zotac GeForce GT220, so you can all get yours, now: http://www.newegg.com/Special/ShellShocker.aspx |
| [17:11:17] | sphery: | elmojo: ^^^ sale is on, now |
| [17:11:32] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: seems that Captain_Murdoch agrees :) |
| [17:12:01] | Captain_Murdoch: | Beirdo, yeah, another one of those things we've talked about for years but had little time to actually do. :| |
| [17:12:23] | Captain_Murdoch: | and it was a debat on whether to reply here or #mythtv, but since sphery mentioned my name there, I replied there. :) |
| [17:12:49] | Beirdo: | Well, we can look at working it into the many things that are getting reworked lately |
| [17:13:33] | wagnerrp: | Captain_Murdoch: id actually like to remove the whole monitor/playback thing all together |
| [17:13:43] | wagnerrp: | just make a 'generic' connection or something |
| [17:13:49] | wagnerrp: | and move that function to a command |
| [17:13:57] | wagnerrp: | 'block_shutdown' and 'release_shutdown' or something |
| [17:14:35] | wagnerrp: | otherwise, the frontend and jobqueue would have to disconnect and reconnect to switch between the two |
| [17:14:43] | wagnerrp: | since we dont support multiple announce |
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| [17:15:40] | sphery: | heh, sorry for the spill over... probably should have just asked wagnerrp for details in #mythtv |
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| [17:21:35] | Beirdo: | OK, time to restart the backend to try my new db logging |
| [17:21:39] | sphery: | Beirdo: good thing I came up with this new TODO, just as I'm^H^H^Hyou're finishing up my logging TODO |
| [17:21:46] | Beirdo: | hehehe |
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| [17:21:58] | sphery: | fingers crossed for the new db logger |
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| [17:22:20] | Beirdo: | couldn't test last night as I was recording until 1am |
| [17:22:35] | sphery: | and you didn't stay up to test? where are your priorities, man? |
| [17:23:41] | Beirdo: | haha |
| [17:23:45] | Beirdo: | that went poorly |
| [17:23:52] | sphery: | heh |
| [17:24:00] | sphery: | that's what first runs are for |
| [17:24:11] | sphery: | round 2 will go better |
| [17:24:15] | Beirdo: | immediate coredump |
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| [17:24:39] | Beirdo: | ah crap |
| [17:24:54] | Beirdo: | I'm trying to use gCoreContext before it's initialized?! |
| [17:25:00] | Beirdo: | that sucks |
| [17:25:11] | sphery: | oh, for app name? |
| [17:25:16] | sphery: | or for db info? |
| [17:25:19] | Beirdo: | hostname |
| [17:25:25] | sphery: | ahhh |
| [17:25:28] | sphery: | hmmm |
| [17:25:44] | Beirdo: | let me check my startup order here |
| [17:27:13] | elmojo: | sphery: got the deal – thanks for the head's up |
| [17:27:28] | sphery: | elmojo: nice--enjoy. hope it's worth $8 :) |
| [17:27:53] | sphery: | (or, what, $7.99 + $0.48 for a stamp for rebate?) |
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| [17:28:12] | Beirdo: | OK, let's do this AFTER the qContext = line |
| [17:28:30] | sphery: | $0.44, it seems |
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| [17:29:11] | elmojo: | why do devs like to show off their coding talk in the -users channel? :) |
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| [17:29:28] | sphery: | Beirdo: /topic (you want #mythtv ) |
| [17:29:29] | sphery: | :) |
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| [17:30:50] | elmojo: | hehe |
| [17:30:55] | Beirdo: | heheh |
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| [17:46:34] | trumee: | sphery: your advise worked. I am now able to change channels using cursor keys |
| [17:50:41] | sphery: | trumee: excellent, glad it worked |
| [17:50:50] | sphery: | was probably just some extra shadow channels or something |
| [17:51:12] | trumee: | sphery, no idea what was wrong. How do i deal with the stb now? |
| [17:52:12] | trumee: | probably there is something about on wiki about it |
| [17:53:04] | sphery: | ideally, you'd fetch channels from listings provider |
| [17:53:14] | sphery: | but I don't know if that will work for your listings |
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| [17:53:23] | sphery: | (using RT or something? if so, it might work) |
| [17:54:01] | trumee: | sphery: unfortunately i dont have a listings provider |
| [17:54:26] | trumee: | sphery: so i need to create channel listing for stb in myth-setup as well? |
| [17:55:37] | trumee: | sphery: and the channel numbers between the stb and anlogue should be same for the same channel? |
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| [18:16:58] | wagnerrp: | Captain_Murdoch: so last night, instead of watching the royal wedding with your wife, you worked on myth |
| [18:17:09] | wagnerrp: | would it have been worth watching if... there were zombies? |
| [18:17:35] | wagnerrp: | http://www.class3outbreak.com/maps/2493/zombi . . . 2011/games/1 |
| [18:17:46] | JEDIDIAH__: | ...that whole "wedding thing" happened already? |
| [18:17:52] | JEDIDIAH__: | G*d I love my PVR |
| [18:18:19] | JEDIDIAH__: | Zombies could take over the whole of the UK and I would miss it. |
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| [18:31:30] | aelen_v: | MY screensaver blanks my screen during watching (recordings). DPMS does not get disabled after login&autostart, when launched mythfrontend --service... |
| [18:32:42] | aelen_v: | How to get rid of "No Lock" after waking from suspend? Other way than shutdown & sleep. I have af9015. |
| [18:33:56] | wagnerrp: | sounds like the tuner driver cannot handle a suspend |
| [18:34:52] | wagnerrp: | '--service' is not a valid mythfrontend option |
| [18:35:42] | wagnerrp: | screensaver lockout only works if you are using the standard xscreensaver and dpms interfaces, if you are using some non-compliant screensaver (like gnome) it will not work |
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| [18:36:28] | wagnerrp: | seems its not 'xscreensaver' |
| [18:36:38] | wagnerrp: | sphery: you know more about that stuff than i do |
| [18:38:45] | aelen_v: | sorry forgot to say, it is of course xscreensaver. |
| [18:39:24] | aelen_v: | Interesting: --service is not valid? It is the default in Mythbuntu 10.04 menu. |
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| [18:40:04] | wagnerrp: | mythfrontend does not accept a '--service' argument |
| [18:40:14] | wagnerrp: | but then of course mythbuntu isnt calling mythfrontend |
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| [18:40:30] | wagnerrp: | its calling their own wrapper script of the same name |
| [18:44:39] | JEDIDIAH__: | so this is mythbuntu versus ubuntu? 'cause I run a frontend on 10.04 and use a non-tweaked gnome desktop and I haven't had that sort of problem. |
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| [18:45:27] | wagnerrp: | mythtv is not capable of suspending gnome-screensaver |
| [18:45:34] | wagnerrp: | but it will handle dpms properly |
| [18:46:21] | sphery: | yeah, what wagnerrp said is all good... also note that the user running mythfrontend must have X authorization to modify xscreensaver |
| [18:46:44] | sphery: | so, ideally, both mythfrontend and X are running as the same user |
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| [18:47:29] | aelen_v: | Okey. Unforturtunately I'm not sure anymore if the problem is with --service. More likely the annoying blanking occures randomly. |
| [18:48:27] | sphery: | note that mythfrontend will use only one of xscreensaver, gnome-screensaver, or dpms to control screen saver usage |
| [18:49:09] | sphery: | and note that the gnome-screensaver stuff is completely broken because gnome-screensaver-command got broken by GNOME devs |
| [18:49:30] | sphery: | so make sure it's really xscreensaver... ps -efw | grep screensaver |
| [18:50:36] | sphery: | Beirdo: I may even have to write up a mythfrontend/mythweb (database) log viewer module |
| [18:50:39] | aelen_v: | Even if there is said in terminal that DMPS is disabled (not seen when launched with --service), the screen might blank. |
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| [18:51:36] | high-rez: | How do you enable the web setup on 0.25 ? |
| [18:51:43] | wagnerrp: | you dont |
| [18:51:53] | sphery: | high-rez: go to backendhost:6544 in a web browser? |
| [18:51:53] | high-rez: | s/0.25/trunk |
| [18:52:06] | wagnerrp: | yes, you cannot enable it |
| [18:52:15] | wagnerrp: | because it cannot be disabled |
| [18:52:23] | high-rez: | Hmm, 6544? The commit says its 6444 – that explains things :) |
| [18:52:45] | wagnerrp: | its sitting on the same port it has been for the last several years |
| [18:52:46] | skd5aner: | yea – that was a typo in the commmit message |
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| [18:53:16] | skd5aner: | there was a clarrification e-mail sent out to -dev right afterwards where the dev said he typed the wrong port in the commit description |
| [18:54:23] | high-rez: | Gotcha. Is there a default username/password configured for it? |
| [18:54:51] | wagnerrp: | admin/mythtv i believe |
| [18:55:07] | sphery: | high-rez: hehe, yeah, he sent a correction e-mail to the -dev list :) |
| [18:55:08] | skd5aner: | OH NO! NOW I HAVE TO CHANGE MY PASSWORD... geeze, /thanks/ wagneerp :P |
| [18:55:21] | skd5aner: | ;) |
| [18:55:37] | sphery: | hey, that's the same password I used on my luggage |
| [18:55:53] | wagnerrp: | your luggage takes an alphabetic password? |
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| [18:56:41] | sphery: | heh, it has an LCD with touchscreen |
| [18:56:52] | sphery: | of course, the baggage handlers broke it on the first trip, so now I just can't open it |
| [18:57:17] | wagnerrp: | that sounds like something that would be a problem with the TSA |
| [18:58:04] | high-rez: | Wow, very nice. |
| [18:58:13] | skd5aner: | You should make the LCD count down from 20 minutes once you check your luggage |
| [18:58:33] | skd5aner: | so that I can see your picture in all the papers |
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| [19:02:38] | aelen_v: | sphery: It is xscreensaver. So is it possibly a bug then? |
| [19:03:43] | sphery: | no, it's not a bug |
| [19:03:48] | sphery: | it's a misconfiguration of something |
| [19:04:34] | aelen_v: | So, I have to check it with live-CD? |
| [19:06:51] | trumee: | Myth-0.24 seems to hang a lot in Images plugin |
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| [19:07:28] | Beirdo: | sphery: heh, yeah. Housekeeping will need some work too |
| [19:08:03] | sphery: | aelen_v: can you please post log output to pastebin from: mythfrontend -v important,general,playback |
| [19:08:42] | sphery: | can use -l or redirects to log to a file |
| [19:09:04] | sphery: | Beirdo: housekeeping? you mean because I ripped out all the db log cleanup code? |
| [19:10:04] | Beirdo: | well, to toss log messages > 1 month old or so |
| [19:10:18] | sphery: | yeah, I'll reimplement that once we figure out what approach to use |
| [19:10:24] | Beirdo: | yup |
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| [19:10:46] | sphery: | was thinking we might need a max rows (for -v all :), and time-based expiry and ... |
| [19:11:01] | Beirdo: | hehe, yeah |
| [19:11:02] | sphery: | oh, wait, if I do time-based expiry, will we get sued by Bedrock Technologies? |
| [19:11:14] | sphery: | Cost Google $5M |
| [19:11:29] | Beirdo: | pffft |
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| [19:12:06] | sphery: | translation, "Don't worry, sphery, I'll cover the $5M for you"? |
| [19:12:10] | sphery: | ;) |
| [19:12:23] | Beirdo: | translation: like they'd bother |
| [19:12:28] | AndyCap: | sphery: do you have the recordings in a linked list? |
| [19:12:31] | Beirdo: | ah what the heck. |
| [19:12:40] | Beirdo: | I borked previewgen? |
| [19:13:00] | sphery: | AndyCap: well, I have no idea how mysql implements its storage engine |
| [19:13:16] | sphery: | no biggie, though--everyone who uses Linux owes Bedrock, anyway |
| [19:13:17] | Beirdo: | has anybody been messing with the seek tables lately? |
| [19:13:39] | sphery: | ttbomk, no--but I've been having serious issues on some recordings |
| [19:14:08] | sphery: | mythcommflag crashing or seektable generation being off-by-one (and giving b-frame previews) |
| [19:14:13] | Beirdo: | I have a pile of black previews |
| [19:14:22] | sphery: | seems that some changes to broadcasts have made a mess |
| [19:14:24] | sphery: | yeah, that's it |
| [19:14:26] | sphery: | the b-frame ones |
| [19:14:27] | Beirdo: | and now 4 in a row non-existant |
| [19:14:45] | sphery: | haven't seen non-existant, but I'm still on 0.24-fixes |
| [19:15:53] | Beirdo: | hahahaha |
| [19:16:00] | Beirdo: | Unhandled option given on command line: --outfile |
| [19:16:19] | wagnerrp: | sounds like my doing |
| [19:16:19] | sphery: | heh |
| [19:16:25] | Beirdo: | OK, that's my bad... more tweaking to do to the new commandline parser :) |
| [19:16:33] | Beirdo: | I shoulda checked it |
| [19:16:53] | Beirdo: | shouldn't be hard to fix, either |
| [19:17:10] | sphery: | not hard with the new beautiful command-line parser! |
| [19:17:35] | Beirdo: | you missed... a , |
| [19:17:37] | wagnerrp: | hold on... |
| [19:17:49] | Beirdo: | add("--outfile" "outputfile", "", "Optional output file for preview generation.", ""); |
| [19:17:50] | wagnerrp: | i see an --outfile for the preview generator |
| [19:18:08] | wagnerrp: | oh.... |
| [19:18:22] | wagnerrp: | yes... more issues with excessive overloading |
| [19:18:40] | wagnerrp: | perhaps that should be reigned in a bit? |
| [19:18:57] | wagnerrp: | remove the 4-argument boolean definition? |
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| [19:21:47] | wagnerrp: | wait, wouldnt that mean the storage value was an empty qstring? |
| [19:22:01] | Beirdo: | yeah, I would think so |
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| [19:22:13] | Beirdo: | I saw --outfileoutputfile in the --help output |
| [19:22:20] | wagnerrp: | right |
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| [19:23:36] | Beirdo: | OK, there it goes |
| [19:23:44] | sphery: | what was it? |
| [19:23:48] | sphery: | the suspsense is killing me |
| [19:23:50] | Beirdo: | it was the , |
| [19:23:59] | sphery: | ahhh |
| [19:24:00] | sphery: | yeah |
| [19:24:06] | Beirdo: | and I also was still reading gCoreContext before it was init |
| [19:24:22] | sphery: | I thought you mean /I/ missed a comma in "not hard with the new beautiful command-line parser!" (which is true |
| [19:24:25] | wagnerrp: | the lack of comma meant two strings were interpreted as one |
| [19:24:29] | Beirdo: | yup |
| [19:24:43] | wagnerrp: | so the 5-argument input was exchanged for a 4-argument one |
| [19:24:50] | sphery: | seems maybe it's not all about me... |
| [19:24:51] | wagnerrp: | which defaults to a false boolean input |
| [19:25:21] | wagnerrp: | which is why im thinking it may be good to get rid of that one entirely |
| [19:26:23] | Beirdo: | yeah, possibly |
| [19:26:46] | sphery: | Beirdo: on the bright side, it will auto-create the previews for those missing previews next time you need oen |
| [19:26:47] | wagnerrp: | both of them anyway |
| [19:26:49] | Beirdo: | the blank previews again are fricking annoying though |
| [19:26:53] | Beirdo: | yep :) |
| [19:27:02] | wagnerrp: | since there are ones for QString and QStringList |
| [19:27:07] | sphery: | heh, yeah... I was actually thinking about looking at this since they're getting more common |
| [19:27:32] | sphery: | seems about 15% of my CBS recordings and maybe 5% of ABC (which is strange since the first is 1080i and the second is 720p) |
| [19:28:16] | Beirdo: | that is almost always a seektable type of issue last time I saw it |
| [19:28:43] | Beirdo: | like the marking is for the frame AFTER where it should be |
| [19:28:53] | Beirdo: | and always catches a B-frame |
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| [19:29:04] | sphery: | annoying part is that I think we have a different code path for seektables built during record and seektables built by mythcommflag --rebuild/mythtranscode --buildindex |
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| [19:29:49] | sphery: | agreed... I'm certain it's a seektable issue grabbing us b-frames (now that you figured it out the first time, this looks identical to the before) |
| [19:30:38] | Beirdo: | if not identical, pretty dang close to it |
| [19:30:48] | wagnerrp: | sphery: think it would be worth making a general reference counting object? |
| [19:31:13] | wagnerrp: | i seem to be making a lot of them for the jobqueue |
| [19:31:21] | wagnerrp: | may as well share the code |
| [19:31:24] | Beirdo: | the rebuild fixes it, BTW (or used to) |
| [19:31:38] | Beirdo: | reference counting? |
| [19:31:45] | Beirdo: | like a QSemaphore? |
| [19:31:48] | wagnerrp: | UpRef() DownRef() |
| [19:31:59] | wagnerrp: | something that automatically deletes itself when the ref count hits 0 |
| [19:32:24] | wagnerrp: | its used for the socket stuff a lot |
| [19:32:39] | Beirdo: | yeah, not quite what QSemaphore does, but similar |
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| [19:33:49] | wagnerrp: | basically, im just using them all over my stuff so i can use them persistently, and not worry about having different revisions of it in different areas of the code |
| [19:34:01] | wagnerrp: | if i update it in one place, everything is made aware |
| [19:34:33] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [19:34:43] | Beirdo: | it does sound like a good idea to me |
| [19:34:52] | Beirdo: | do not repeat yerself and all that |
| [19:35:52] | Beirdo: | yay |
| [19:36:06] | Beirdo: | dude on mythtv-dev ML... git pull fixed it. |
| [19:36:07] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [19:36:28] | Beirdo: | reporting the MHEG crash... which I'd already fixed |
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| [20:22:53] | sphery: | wagnerrp: is there a nice way to find out if a host is processing any jobs from the 0.24-fixes queue, like using python bindings? |
| [20:24:19] | sphery: | was thiking it would be nice to allow users to run some script that checks to see if current host is processing jobs in mythjobqueue, so that they can do things (shut down mythjobqueue or shut down the job queue host) when it's not processing |
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| [20:25:57] | high-rez: | Is there anything I need to do to enable bluray osd menus in trunk? |
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| [20:33:32] | wagnerrp: | in 0.24, the jobqueue does not accept commands of any sort |
| [20:33:50] | wagnerrp: | the only way to check if a host is running something is to check the status |
| [20:34:03] | wagnerrp: | and if the status is JOB_RUNNING, then check the hostname |
| [20:34:05] | sphery: | right, but I'm thinking if the python bindings have any code to check the jobqueue table to see if the job has been grabbed by this host |
| [20:34:23] | wagnerrp: | there is the Job class, with status and hostname attributes |
| [20:34:33] | sphery: | hmmm... so that might work |
| [20:34:39] | wagnerrp: | and you can compare status against Job.RUNNING |
| [20:34:48] | sphery: | cool, will send a reply |
| [20:35:04] | sphery: | still thinking about whether to flip the mythjobqueue connection to non-blocking in 0.24 |
| [20:35:32] | sphery: | since it will mean if the master isn't processing jobs, but the mythjobqueue host grabbed the last one, then the master could shut down before the job host finishes |
| [20:35:53] | sphery: | but in most cases, it probably won't be a problem |
| [20:36:29] | wagnerrp: | honestly, i think its a bad idea |
| [20:36:37] | sphery: | which, the non-blocking connection? |
| [20:36:43] | sphery: | or checking the status of the host |
| [20:36:47] | wagnerrp: | i dont think it should be done without the protocol commands to make it properly managed |
| [20:36:59] | wagnerrp: | and since we cant add commands to 0.24 |
| [20:37:07] | sphery: | what is it? |
| [20:37:16] | wagnerrp: | what is what? |
| [20:37:21] | sphery: | what's the bad idea |
| [20:37:27] | sphery: | what should only be done with proto commands |
| [20:37:35] | sphery: | bad idea = non-blocking connection? |
| [20:37:43] | wagnerrp: | having a jobqueue is no different from having a slave backend |
| [20:37:52] | sphery: | if so, I agree--which is why I'm considering not flipping it to non-blocking |
| [20:37:55] | wagnerrp: | it cant be run without the master backend |
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| [20:38:11] | sphery: | right, but the master backend ignores connected slave backends now |
| [20:38:15] | wagnerrp: | so if you want to allow the master to shut down, the master needs some way of shutting down the jobqueue |
| [20:38:21] | sphery: | just like it would ignore a jobqueue host with a non-blocking connection |
| [20:38:42] | wagnerrp: | it does? i thought it told slaves to shutdown before it itself went down |
| [20:38:52] | sphery: | we have 3 shutdown code paths |
| [20:38:54] | wagnerrp: | the SlaveBackend announce has the same blocking behavior as Playback |
| [20:38:59] | sphery: | they're all different |
| [20:39:04] | sphery: | another thing that needs reworking |
| [20:39:10] | sphery: | to combine all the startup/shutdown code |
| [20:39:28] | sphery: | but you can set up a slave to auto shut down with normal backend shutdown |
| [20:39:33] | sphery: | you can set up a master to sleep/wake slaves |
| [20:39:39] | sphery: | (and you should do the latter) |
| [20:39:52] | sphery: | but the master ignores connected slaves when checking if it's idle |
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| [20:40:26] | sphery: | anyway, the python stuff you mentioned gives a nice little workaround--that's good enough we can make it work, even if we don't modify 0.24-fixes to make mythjobqueue use a non-blocking connection |
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| [20:47:53] | DeviceZer0: | anyone in here familiar with running mythtv on a seperate x session? |
| [20:48:05] | DeviceZer0: | i cant seem to get any sound working when i start a new x session |
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| [20:51:36] | sphery: | sounds like your distro sets the sound device to be owned by the user who starts the (first) X session |
| [20:51:43] | sphery: | I think Red-Hat-based systems do that |
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| [20:54:05] | DeviceZer0: | yea. im on fedora. |
| [20:54:32] | DeviceZer0: | i normally log into gnome...then as that user i spawn a new session like "xinit openbox -- :3" |
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| [20:55:21] | DeviceZer0: | sphery, is there any kinda work around? i cant seem to find any solutions via google. |
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| [21:00:04] | wagnerrp: | DeviceZer0: why are you doing it that way? |
| [21:00:18] | wagnerrp: | why not just set your inittab to automatically log into mythtv |
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| [21:01:59] | DeviceZer0: | long story short: using gnome3 which requires compositing which creates frame tearing for me. I use mythtv on my desktop..which in turn is my tv. So i need a way to to run myth on a seperate x session |
| [21:02:56] | tmkt: | don't use gnome3 |
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| [21:03:11] | tmkt: | install mythbuntu with xfce |
| [21:03:24] | DeviceZer0: | im not using ubuntu bases system |
| [21:03:47] | tmkt: | ok..then go back to comment 1...don't use gnome3 |
| [21:04:01] | tgm4883: | DeviceZer0, are you using fedora or mythdora? |
| [21:04:09] | DeviceZer0: | fedora 15 |
| [21:04:49] | tgm4883: | ah |
| [21:04:54] | DeviceZer0: | yea. i was just curious if anyone in here had experience running multiple x sessions and if they had encountered sound issues. |
| [21:05:05] | DeviceZer0: | i cant seem to figure this out :( |
| [21:05:06] | tmkt: | since its your tv....why not use a myth package..and save yourself the pain |
| [21:05:24] | DeviceZer0: | because its also my desktop hehe |
| [21:05:24] | tmkt: | ah its your desktop again |
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| [21:05:55] | DeviceZer0: | i mainly use it as a desktop during the day...then switch over to myth for tv before bed. |
| [21:06:06] | tgm4883: | I was going to suggest mythdora, but it seems they haven't updated since fedora 12 |
| [21:06:13] | DeviceZer0: | yea. |
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| [21:09:03] | wagnerrp: | DeviceZer0: file a ticket with the aiglx maintainers to support opengl vsync? |
| [21:09:16] | DeviceZer0: | hehe. |
| [21:09:30] | DeviceZer0: | im pretty sure they are aware that the current state is not that good. |
| [21:09:42] | wagnerrp: | arguably that would be a bug, rather than a feature request |
| [21:09:49] | DeviceZer0: | i see tons of complaints about nvidia+x+compisiting |
| [21:09:54] | wagnerrp: | since it indicated an only partially implemented opengl solution |
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| [23:59:42] | high-rez: | Is hdmv mode enabled by default in trunk (head? master? whats it called now?) |
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