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| [00:42:51] | wagnerrp: | the big bang theory is now on mondays? |
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| [02:03:33] | Giloron: | Hi |
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| [02:10:43] | mycoDA: | hi |
| [02:11:44] | Giloron: | hello |
| [02:11:58] | petefoo: | hola |
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| [02:12:33] | angelus: | Hey guys, anyone have any luck using the ceton infinitv4? |
| [02:13:51] | Giloron: | Anyone here that might be able to help me set up an HVR-1600 with mythtv-0.24_p20110414 on a Gentoo box running kernel 2.6.36-gentoo-r8? |
| [02:16:27] | wagnerrp: | angelus: there are no publicly available linux drivers for the ceton cards |
| [02:16:43] | wagnerrp: | Giloron: what problem are you having specifically? |
| [02:17:22] | Giloron: | The input type "IVTV MPEG-2 ..." is not showing up in mythtv-setup |
| [02:19:58] | Giloron: | If it makes a difference, I am using v4l drivers from git://linuxtv.org/media_build.git |
| [02:20:50] | wagnerrp: | why not those included in the kernel? |
| [02:21:41] | wagnerrp: | lack of the ivtv device means that you compiled mythtv without v4l and ivtv support |
| [02:21:48] | wagnerrp: | and should have nothing to do with the drivers |
| [02:22:20] | Giloron: | At some point in the past I need to use those. I can't remember if it was specific this card, my old PVR-350, or just an old kernel |
| [02:28:56] | Giloron: | i am using the portage overlay from https://github.com/MythTV/packaging/tree/master/Gentoo |
| [02:29:16] | Giloron: | I have not changed my USE flags from my working .22 installation |
| [02:29:40] | Beirdo: | wasn't it 2.6.38 when v4l1 was removed? |
| [02:30:45] | Giloron: | someone last night told me this was a problem with 2.6.32. I upgraded to .36. |
| [02:31:02] | Giloron: | should I have gone down a revision? |
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| [03:24:58] | flynmoose: | Hello – having a prob with myth-backend 0.24. Is this a good place to ask? |
| [03:25:13] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [03:26:48] | flynmoose: | 0.24 running on Ubuntu 10.10 and using a HDHR-3 (HDHomeRun) tuner. All was well on 0.23 but when I upgraded a few days ago, my log files have gone crazy. I have a log file entry every 0.5 seconds saying the following: |
| [03:26:52] | flynmoose: | 2011-04–25 22:11:17.251 Could not find channel 5_1 in TVCT |
| [03:26:53] | flynmoose: | 2011-04–25 22:11:17.285 |
| [03:26:56] | flynmoose: | VCT Terra: channels(1) tsid(0xc71) seclength(62) |
| [03:26:57] | flynmoose: | Channel #0 name(WLUK HD) 11–1 mod(ATSC 8-VSB) cTSID(0xc71) |
| [03:27:00] | flynmoose: | pnum(1) ETM_loc(1) access_ctrl(0) hidden(0) hide_guide(1) service_type(ATSC TV) source_id(1) |
| [03:27:02] | flynmoose: | descriptors length(17) count(1) |
| [03:27:03] | flynmoose: | Service Location Descriptor (0xa1) length(15) |
| [03:27:24] | flynmoose: | The channel that it refers to changes every time I reboot. All channels are tunable in mythtv-frontend |
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| [09:28:33] | CiaranG: | Any tips for debugging a user job that doesn't seem to run? It seems to say stuck as 'Queued' and I can't find any reference to it in the backend log |
| [09:29:59] | justinh: | well if it's a user job you can add debugging yourself ;-) |
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| [09:50:30] | CiaranG: | I can't if it's not running it can I ;) |
| [09:52:19] | justinh: | so if it isn't being run there are a few possibilities |
| [09:52:43] | justinh: | 1. user jobs aren't actually being permitted to run – i.e. it's a settings thing in mythtv-setup |
| [09:53:06] | justinh: | NB: if you follow the wiki's stupid-arse tips to directly shoehorn job settings into the database THIS WILL HAPPEN |
| [09:53:32] | justinh: | 2. the user job script itself isn't runnable – doesn't have +x etc ... |
| [09:55:13] | CiaranG: | Hmm, I did put the job settings directly into the database via mythweb, but I've done that successfully before. I don't run mythtv-setup unless I can help it. |
| [09:55:20] | justinh: | oh goody, somebody ripped out the ill-advised stuff |
| [09:55:22] | CiaranG: | I'll try doing it that way and see if it helps. Thanks for the tip |
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| [09:55:40] | justinh: | CiaranG: you need to restart mythbackend for user job setting changes to take effect AFAIK |
| [09:55:56] | CiaranG: | Yeah, I did that |
| [09:56:20] | CiaranG: | In either of the cases you mentioned above, wouldn't you expect the status to change to 'Failed' or something, rather than sticking at 'Queued'? |
| [09:56:20] | justinh: | so there's *nothing* in the log at all? |
| [09:56:27] | CiaranG: | No, no mention of user jobs |
| [09:56:41] | justinh: | hmmm maybe you've not got the right settings still |
| [09:56:54] | justinh: | or maybe there's a job which is 'stuck' |
| [09:57:14] | CiaranG: | Aha |
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| [09:57:25] | CiaranG: | You were right with #1 |
| [09:57:39] | CiaranG: | The job is all properly configured, but it's not permitted to run, according to mythtv-setup |
| [09:57:44] | justinh: | :-) |
| [09:57:49] | CiaranG: | Thanks, appreciate the helkp |
| [09:57:51] | CiaranG: | or help |
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| [09:58:39] | justinh: | easy one to miss. I once put a time lock on user jobs & wondered why the queue wasn't being processed |
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| [09:59:11] | CiaranG: | I guess there is no complaint in the log about it because a different backend could be allowed to run it |
| [10:00:36] | justinh: | hmmm. been looking up about sankeys sound system (where I was on Friday) – apparently it's still the same as it was last time I was there.. so why so quiet? Not on when an old fart like me complains the music isn't loud enough lol |
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| [10:21:23] | justinh: | "Ordinary recording rules do not use the channel number (channum) for |
| [10:21:25] | justinh: | scheduling purposes, but rather the channel callsign" |
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| [10:21:50] | justinh: | ermm.. if that was the case surely the callsign not chanid would be stored in the 'record' table |
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| [13:04:28] | justinh: | stupid openoffice. copied & pasted online statements from my bank account, tried to sort by date & it thinks 01/03/2011 is before 02/02/2011 |
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| [15:23:31] | iamlindoro: | justinh: openoffice is horrible, horrible, horrible. And only destined to get worse, I fear. |
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| [15:30:01] | justinh: | wonder if libreoffice is any better |
| [15:31:11] | wagnerrp: | cant be, it hasnt been separated long enough |
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| [15:39:03] | justinh: | hmm. bit sucky you can't sort by date with a non-US date format innit |
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| [15:54:04] | sphery: | what? there are non-US date formats? |
| [15:56:00] | keith4: | nonsense! |
| [15:56:40] | keith4: | (can you really not sort by other date formats? that seems like a pretty big oversight...) |
| [15:57:00] | wagnerrp: | yes, today is Discord 43, 3177 |
| [15:57:55] | iamlindoro: | This is open source, obviously more energy should be spent on klingon translations than on a functioning UI |
| [15:58:37] | keith4: | justinh: looks like you can, to me... if you just right-click a column header, do "format cells", and change the "format code". then it sorts as expected |
| [15:59:01] | ** wagnerrp could have sworn google had a klingon translator ** | |
| [16:01:54] | sphery: | Strange that it only supports US date formats--since it's originally a German program (StarDivision). You'd think it would at least support German, too. |
| [16:02:48] | sphery: | that said, I realize there's a ton of "we need to do this later, but let's wait until we have the infrastructure to do it right" code in *Office |
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| [16:18:26] | mycoDA: | the US has a date format? i thought it was just a the dumbest way they could figure to write a date at any given time |
| [16:18:59] | wagnerrp: | month, day, year |
| [16:19:24] | wagnerrp: | verbally it makes sense, written not so much |
| [16:19:47] | mycoDA: | the japanese and european/iec/din formats make sense |
| [16:20:57] | mycoDA: | tho i will readily admit that in 2011 the japanese format makes the most sense |
| [16:21:24] | mycoDA: | big endian date works well with default sorting |
| [16:23:49] | wagnerrp: | i wouldnt mind switching to big endian |
| [16:24:50] | wagnerrp: | but i do NOT want to have to say twenty-six April |
| [16:30:51] | sphery: | How about "six and twenty April"? |
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| [16:31:38] | wagnerrp: | one score and six days into April |
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| [16:31:46] | sphery: | heh |
| [16:32:09] | ** wagnerrp dons a stovepipe hat ** | |
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| [16:33:05] | sphery: | wagnerrp: btw, testing out a max length arg for mythrename.pl |
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| [16:33:29] | wagnerrp: | mythrename.pl? whats that? |
| [16:33:33] | DarthFrog: | I'm running MythTV 0.24+fixes (on a Kubuntu system). Mythfrontend contacts the backend server fine but when I try to play a recording, I get sound but no picture: i just see the black "Playback starting" screen. Can anyone suggest why this might be happening or what I can do about it? |
| [16:33:33] | sphery: | DarthFrog: heh, no problems--happenes a lot |
| [16:33:42] | DarthFrog: | The log output from mythfrontend is http://paste.ubuntu.com/599373/ |
| [16:33:52] | sphery: | wagnerrp: some script that should probably be written in bash--like all the good ones |
| [16:33:59] | sphery: | oh, mythlink.pl... whatever |
| [16:34:07] | wagnerrp: | theres your problam |
| [16:34:08] | sphery: | (now I have to change the name of the patch...) |
| [16:34:16] | wagnerrp: | ATI Radeon HD 5700 Series |
| [16:34:41] | sphery: | I hear those are Rad (e) on Windows |
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| [16:35:18] | DarthFrog: | wagnerrp: Are you saying that MythTV and Radeon HD cards don't get along? |
| [16:35:20] | wagnerrp: | those timer errors are a bit disconcerting |
| [16:35:36] | wagnerrp: | DarthFrog: im saying linux and ati in general dont get along |
| [16:35:49] | sphery: | DarthFrog: First step should be to make sure you've set up your system to use the Slim Playback Profile group |
| [16:36:01] | sphery: | Utilities/Setup|Setup|TV Settings|Playback, 3rd screen |
| [16:36:11] | DarthFrog: | But, but.... ATI supports Linux with open source drivers! That's why I bought the card in the first place. |
| [16:36:58] | wagnerrp: | nvidia supports linux with /good/ closed source drivers |
| [16:37:04] | sphery: | DarthFrog: heh, = "gives developers tons of information about an extremely-complex piece of silicon, with which those developers could write great FOSS drivers--given sufficient time" |
| [16:37:13] | wagnerrp: | if you want to use mythtv with an ati card, you MUST use the fglrx drivers |
| [16:37:19] | wagnerrp: | and then its still a crapshoot |
| [16:37:52] | wagnerrp: | DarthFrog: the menu interface is functional? |
| [16:37:58] | wagnerrp: | i mean its not jerky or anything? |
| [16:38:23] | wagnerrp: | that means hardware opengl should be functioning |
| [16:38:37] | wagnerrp: | you might want to give the opengl renderer a try, rather than the xvideo youre currently using |
| [16:40:06] | DarthFrog: | wagnerrp: Yes, the menu interface is fine. I see the preview images. I'm running the fglrx drivers (so much for my pro-open source stance!). Changing to Slim Playback made no difference. |
| [16:40:21] | sphery: | I'm pretty sure the OpenGL renderer won't work on AMD 5700 |
| [16:40:23] | DarthFrog: | I'll try OpenGL. BFB |
| [16:40:41] | sphery: | I'd be surprised if the OpenGL UI painter works well.. |
| [16:40:55] | sphery: | (have a feeling it's using a lot of Mesa) |
| [16:41:10] | wagnerrp: | and his CPU is just fast enough to keep up with it? |
| [16:41:14] | sphery: | that is, with the FOSS drivers |
| [16:41:22] | wagnerrp: | the logs claim direct rendering |
| [16:41:32] | wagnerrp: | and he is using the closed source fglrx drivers, not foss ones |
| [16:41:40] | sphery: | oh, ok, then it should be fine |
| [16:41:59] | sphery: | missed that part |
| [16:42:11] | DarthFrog: | My CPU is a 6 core AMD Thuban. |
| [16:42:29] | sphery: | one day I should start up master on an AMD-GPU system with FOSS drivers |
| [16:42:35] | sphery: | see what happens for the painter... |
| [16:43:49] | DarthFrog: | Hmm, I had to xkill mythfrontend. It locks when I try to open Setup/Appearance. :-( |
| [16:44:02] | wagnerrp: | xkill? |
| [16:44:12] | DarthFrog: | CTL-ALT-Esc |
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| [16:53:27] | sphery: | heh, tested mythlink.pl with changes... first used mythlink.pl --dest ./dest , then used mythlink.pl --maxlength 40 , and couldn't figure out why I didn't get links in dest for the 2nd run--turns out it doesn't read minds (I forgot to specify --dest). |
| [16:53:41] | sphery: | but on the bright side, the change worked first try |
| [16:54:05] | wagnerrp: | is that max length per level? or total? |
| [16:54:18] | DarthFrog: | OK, so if the problem is with my ATI 5770 video, what card is recommended for a Linux system that does some gaming? |
| [16:54:27] | DarthFrog: | I presume Nvidia. |
| [16:54:34] | wagnerrp: | mid to high range nvidia |
| [16:54:51] | wagnerrp: | a GT260 or 450 would probably be comparable to that 5770 |
| [16:55:05] | DarthFrog: | wagnerrp: Thanks. |
| [16:55:34] | DarthFrog: | wagnerrp: What's the best bang for the buck nvidia card currently? |
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| [16:56:08] | wagnerrp: | for mythtv? 210, 220, or 430... depending on your needs |
| [16:57:42] | DarthFrog: | wagnerrp: For myth, linux and moderate gaming (Civ on Windows, Alpha Centauri on Linux). |
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| [16:58:06] | wagnerrp: | civilization and alpha centauri moderate gaming? |
| [16:58:27] | wagnerrp: | i was under the impression neither of those were graphically intensive |
| [16:59:02] | DarthFrog: | Well, AC is a 1999 game. :-) Still the best game going, IMHO. |
| [16:59:31] | wagnerrp: | perhaps, but that doesnt mean you need a high end graphics card to run it |
| [17:00:13] | DarthFrog: | wagnerrp: Not necessarily a high end card, but the best bang for the buck card. If that's a high end card, so be it. |
| [17:00:42] | wagnerrp: | the "best bang for the buck" would be the cheapest one that provides the power you need |
| [17:00:56] | wagnerrp: | and with those games, you clearly dont need a 5770 |
| [17:01:36] | DarthFrog: | I understand that philosophy. But I prefer to overbuy because sooner or later I'm going to want that horsepower. |
| [17:02:16] | wagnerrp: | what for? |
| [17:02:21] | tmkt: | nvidia is the way to go |
| [17:02:29] | tmkt: | and fanless even better |
| [17:02:39] | tmkt: | my nvidia geforce 9600 is driving me nuts with its fan |
| [17:02:40] | wagnerrp: | why buy a $200 card, when you can buy a $100 one now that serves your needs |
| [17:03:00] | wagnerrp: | and then next year when your needs expand, you can buy another $100 one more powerful than the $200 one was last year |
| [17:03:12] | tmkt: | next thing I do is get the 50–75$ motherboard with nvidia card built on |
| [17:04:09] | DarthFrog: | If it weren't for the MythTV issue, I figure my 5770 card would do me for a long time yet. |
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| [17:06:17] | sphery: | wagnerrp: max length of name... where you end up with $dest/$name$suffix |
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| [17:06:22] | sphery: | (and, it takes into account $count, when required) |
| [17:06:53] | wagnerrp: | seems to me it would be better to split at '/', and do each level individually |
| [17:07:14] | wagnerrp: | since its not like the whole name is limited to 255 characters, only the individual levels |
| [17:07:17] | sphery: | I actually specifically said in the --help output that users must adjust for the characters in dest dir when appropriate |
| [17:07:28] | wagnerrp: | and its not like that name will ever be stuff into the database |
| [17:07:38] | sphery: | yep, would be better... but would require mods to the perl bindings |
| [17:07:43] | sphery: | the "time to die" ones |
| [17:07:52] | sphery: | or requires someone to rewrite it as mythlink.py :) |
| [17:08:10] | wagnerrp: | oh? the perl bindings actually generate the link for you rather than returning a path? |
| [17:08:13] | sphery: | basically, we just ask for a name, then I use a substring on it |
| [17:08:21] | sphery: | no, they return a path |
| [17:08:30] | sphery: | and I'm not doing path parsing in mythlink |
| [17:08:47] | wagnerrp: | then just split it up afterwards, and truncate each item in the list before rejoining |
| [17:08:51] | sphery: | basically, bindings have the parts individually, so could make each one limited |
| [17:09:14] | sphery: | but if some user /really/ thinks they need to use description as a directory name, they're wrong |
| [17:09:29] | sphery: | and even the Windows file systems allow 255 chars per name |
| [17:09:39] | sphery: | so no real reason to worry |
| [17:09:39] | wagnerrp: | well there is that, the whole concept of this issue is pointless |
| [17:09:46] | sphery: | agreed |
| [17:09:57] | sphery: | which is why I'm doing it "just enough" to make people feel heard :) |
| [17:10:06] | wagnerrp: | so the real solution would be to remove the ability to use the description in the path |
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| [17:10:29] | sphery: | yeah, where path = "directory and link name" |
| [17:10:42] | sphery: | (i.e. the link's full path) |
| [17:10:56] | sphery: | mythlink.pl allows you to stick in / chars to put things into subdirs |
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| [17:11:21] | sphery: | but it is still possible to exceed the windows limits with normal info |
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| [17:17:12] | dashs: | Can't get vdpau to work on one frontend (is linked into libmythui and libmythtv not libmyth) |
| [17:17:34] | dashs: | Works on mythbuntu frontend — what am I missing? |
| [17:18:28] | wagnerrp: | what video card? is this a frontend you built yourself? |
| [17:22:24] | dashs: | wagnerrp: yes self-built with NVS 285 card |
| [17:23:37] | wagnerrp: | the NVS285 is not capable of VDPAU |
| [17:24:25] | dashs: | wagnerrp: wow I missed that |
| [17:24:46] | wagnerrp: | the NVS285 is a derivative of the GeForce 6200 |
| [17:24:52] | wagnerrp: | or maybe 6500 |
| [17:25:21] | wagnerrp: | yeah, 6200 |
| [17:25:27] | wagnerrp: | its a pretty low end card |
| [17:25:56] | wagnerrp: | the ONLY reason anyone would ever want to purchase such a card would be for a low profile multi-monitor system |
| [17:26:45] | wagnerrp: | since that DMS-59 breakout cable would allow for two ports in the space of one |
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| [17:28:13] | dashs: | PC came with that card — it does work, it just uses lots of CPU |
| [17:28:36] | wagnerrp: | using lots of CPU isnt necessarily bad |
| [17:28:46] | wagnerrp: | if your CPU and heatsink are up to the task of your video |
| [17:29:08] | dashs: | Does display HD OK. |
| [17:29:41] | dashs: | And does support 2 displays. |
| [17:29:42] | wagnerrp: | well it does HD adequately, using xvideo |
| [17:29:46] | wagnerrp: | it doesnt have the power for opengl |
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| [17:30:09] | wagnerrp: | so youre going to suffer if your content is ever a different resolution that your display |
| [17:30:27] | wagnerrp: | the video will display fine, the OSD will look like crap |
| [17:31:00] | dashs: | The other frontend has a GeForce 8400 GS and uses vdpau nicely |
| [17:32:53] | NewBuntu81-2: | nice, that's what i have coming my way this week, the 8400 GS |
| [17:33:35] | NewBuntu81-2: | but i must admit, my onboard video card using 256 mb of system memory...is doing a decent job, but freezes every great once in awhile. |
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| [17:33:57] | NewBuntu81-2: | but the cpu runs pretty high, so i'm hoping VDPAU will help that out. The computer fan kicks on and gets loud when i'm watching something |
| [17:34:38] | dashs: | NewBuntu81–2: Much less cpu overhead. |
| [17:34:53] | wagnerrp: | bump that up to 512MB if you can |
| [17:34:56] | NewBuntu81-2: | that's my goal! :-) |
| [17:35:06] | wagnerrp: | mythtv does not like running VDPAU with only 256MB |
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| [17:35:14] | NewBuntu81-2: | it's maxed at 256, that's why i ordered the new card. |
| [17:35:15] | wagnerrp: | although i heard that has been improved in 0.25 |
| [17:35:31] | wagnerrp: | maxed? that doesnt seem right |
| [17:35:33] | NewBuntu81-2: | the 8400 i ordered is 512 mb i believe. |
| [17:36:02] | wagnerrp: | no, 'the cpu runs pretty high', so this isnt VDPAU capable onboard graphics |
| [17:36:13] | wagnerrp: | the 512MB requirement is only when running VDPAU |
| [17:36:21] | wagnerrp: | the opengl renderer and deinterlacers can run on much less |
| [17:36:36] | NewBuntu81-2: | i'm disabling the onboard card (maxed at 256 of system memory), and installing the 8400 gs 512 mb with vdpau |
| [17:37:29] | wagnerrp: | the VDPAU capable onboard chips are all capable of 512MB of memory |
| [17:38:38] | NewBuntu81-2: | how do you view the video card memory? i know system monitor shows pretty much everything else |
| [17:38:58] | wagnerrp: | in the BIOS, it is not dynamically allocated |
| [17:39:09] | wagnerrp: | it is set on boot |
| [17:39:25] | NewBuntu81-2: | right, i know where i set it. but is there a way to view it in linux? |
| [17:39:44] | wagnerrp: | one of the xorg tools probably as access to it |
| [17:39:45] | NewBuntu81-2: | for example system monitor "system" tab shows system memory, processors, etc. |
| [17:40:03] | NewBuntu81-2: | ah |
| [17:43:16] | dashs: | Are the GT 240 cards OK for vdpau? |
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| [17:45:20] | wagnerrp: | yes |
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| [17:46:22] | dashs: | There's a PNY on sale at NewEgg. |
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| [18:00:40] | NewBuntu81: | So I guess the hvr usb cards are crappy? (950q and 850) Is that mostly because they don't have onboard MPEG video encoders? |
| [18:02:45] | wagnerrp: | theyre just fine, if used for digital |
| [18:03:04] | wagnerrp: | if you need analog and usb, then you need a PVR-USB2, or HVR-1950 |
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| [18:04:52] | NewBuntu81: | ah i see. my 2250 is working great. thanks to comcast going digital in this area i had to buy a PCI card just to use with the DTA. I'm out of pci-e slots. |
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| [18:22:48] | NewBuntu81: | Does anyone recommend a backup tool for our mythboxes? I'm on Fedora 14 but I'm sure whatever recommended would work for any Linux solution. I've used Ghost and such before, but I'm not sure if that works with this type of partition. |
| [18:23:55] | wagnerrp: | why do people try to be friendly in trac tickets? |
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| [18:39:00] | xand: | NewBuntu81: what do you want to backup? the recordings? entired disk? db? |
| [18:39:05] | xand: | -d |
| [18:39:28] | wagnerrp: | im thinking hes talking about the OS partition |
| [18:40:34] | xand: | not sure that Ghost is designed for backups... more for imaging, no? |
| [18:40:49] | wagnerrp: | imaging for purposes of backups |
| [18:40:56] | wagnerrp: | you image a disk at one state |
| [18:41:00] | NewBuntu81: | correct, the OS portion. |
| [18:41:03] | wagnerrp: | and if that disk fails, or the data is corrupted |
| [18:41:09] | wagnerrp: | you refresh off that image and continue operation |
| [18:41:44] | NewBuntu81: | Right. Or if I patch the kernel and the whole thing is broken, I can easily revert back. |
| [18:42:33] | ** wagnerrp goes back to his COW snapshots ** | |
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| [19:08:19] | sphery: | wagnerrp: for maxlength, if the user specifies a value that's too short to allow representing the filename within the link, what should I do? Currently, I skip it. Sound right? (I.e. --maxlength 4 with ".mpg" extension won't work... Similarly, 5 will break with the count and enough recordings that start with the same letter.) |
| [19:08:44] | sphery: | other option would be to die on it--with errored exit status |
| [19:09:02] | wagnerrp: | i would fault with a surly error message on any value under 20 |
| [19:09:25] | sphery: | before even trying? or after finding a recording that can't be represented? |
| [19:10:01] | wagnerrp: | maxlen is the entire relative path from the root directory? |
| [19:10:23] | sphery: | no, only file (link) name length |
| [19:11:12] | sphery: | So, The Outer Li.17.mpg came from maxlength 20 |
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| [19:11:33] | sphery: | 17th episode of The Outer Limits |
| [19:11:49] | sphery: | (17th it found, not season/episode numbers :) |
| [19:11:54] | wagnerrp: | theyre going to need at minimum a subtitle, airdate, or episode number for identification |
| [19:12:05] | wagnerrp: | and the episode number (program id) is going to be fairly long |
| [19:12:09] | sphery: | yeah, if you limit it too much, it becomes useful |
| [19:12:38] | wagnerrp: | i would say at minimum 15 characters |
| [19:12:50] | sphery: | but that's their problem... I just want the most-reasonable reaction to a "can't represent that" recording |
| [19:12:54] | wagnerrp: | when you include the 4-character extension, anything less than 15 would not be worthwhile |
| [19:13:07] | sphery: | yeah... 20 works for me. |
| [19:13:26] | sphery: | I'll include that check... That should handle most recordings so we don't hit the "can't represent" code |
| [19:13:56] | sphery: | oh, and by 20 works for me--I mean the filenames are useless, but using that as a minimum maxlength value works for me |
| [19:14:03] | wagnerrp: | that the new outer limits or old? |
| [19:14:06] | sphery: | old |
| [19:14:12] | kormoc: | ++ |
| [19:14:17] | wagnerrp: | i dont think ive ever seen any of the old series |
| [19:14:31] | sphery: | I've watched a few... have to be in the mood--it's a very different show |
| [19:15:51] | sphery: | have to be willing to ignore some of the science (and be willing to put up with some of the "lecturing") |
| [19:16:32] | sphery: | oh, and the effects aren't quite what modern shows use |
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| [19:26:11] | sphery: | wagnerrp: thanks... I like that approach, and it seems to work well |
| [19:29:06] | wagnerrp: | by the way, the jobqueue is running as of last night |
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| [19:37:42] | sphery: | nice on the job queue! |
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| [19:40:52] | wagnerrp: | although ive decided to continue on with the schema rework, rather than trying to clean it up and merge it in its current state |
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| [19:59:40] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: cool stuff |
| [20:01:42] | wagnerrp: | ive got the segfault/buserror issues (nearly) solved |
| [20:01:58] | wagnerrp: | theres still a couple instances of it cant track down |
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| [20:21:56] | Beirdo: | we always have a few around to haunt us |
| [20:22:27] | Beirdo: | QThread: Destroyed while thread is still running |
| [20:22:27] | Beirdo: | Aborted (core dumped) |
| [20:22:27] | wagnerrp: | yeah, but this is causing faults somewhat frequently in my limited usage |
| [20:22:37] | wagnerrp: | it would be wholely unusable for production |
| [20:22:38] | Beirdo: | heh. dangit, it finally hit me once |
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| [20:48:41] | Beirdo: | OK, locally merged your commandlineparser into new-logging |
| [20:48:52] | Beirdo: | what a fun merge conflict-fest :) |
| [20:49:03] | Beirdo: | easy to fix in 100% of the cases though |
| [20:49:04] | wagnerrp: | heh, i can imagine |
| [20:49:22] | Beirdo: | now I just need to compile and try it :) |
| [20:49:26] | wagnerrp: | well it only changed the loader, and im sure your stuff only changed the logging inputs |
| [20:49:43] | Beirdo: | yeah, but they were in similar areas of the mainlines |
| [20:50:00] | Beirdo: | so simple conflict, simple solution :) |
| [20:50:08] | wagnerrp: | well if youre taking ownership of that, is there a simple way to close the old one? |
| [20:50:23] | Beirdo: | I'll have to reapply part of sphery's logpath patch |
| [20:50:40] | wagnerrp: | any subsequent changes i want to make, i can just apply to your branch then |
| [20:50:47] | Beirdo: | sure, once it's tested out, I'll put this back into new-logging |
| [20:51:49] | wagnerrp: | i mean can the other one be closed, or deleted or something? |
| [20:51:53] | Beirdo: | for cleaning old branches off of github, I'd like to suggest we keep that for a release cycle thing |
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| [20:52:07] | Beirdo: | it doesn't do any harm to have the name there |
| [20:52:21] | wagnerrp: | fair enough |
| [20:52:25] | wagnerrp: | its just clutter |
| [20:52:45] | Beirdo: | we DO need to declutter at some point, though, sure :) I think release time is a good declutter time :) |
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| [20:54:05] | Beirdo: | here goes a compile :) |
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| [20:54:36] | Beirdo: | yup, gotta reapply part of sphery's patch :) |
| [20:54:37] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [20:54:45] | Beirdo: | mythcommandlineparser.cpp:1327: error: no ‘QString MythCommandLineParser::GetLogFilePath() const’ member function declared in class ‘MythCommandLineParserâ&Aci rc;€Â™ |
| [20:54:58] | Beirdo: | OK, UTF-8, go to hell. |
| [20:58:20] | wagnerrp: | sounds like a function you added |
| [20:58:26] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [20:58:41] | wagnerrp: | (especially considering my file ends at line 1325) |
| [20:58:44] | Beirdo: | it was one that sphery had, I had merged in, and then missed leaving it in ;) |
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| [21:02:56] | Beirdo: | I think I'll just rip it out and we can rework it |
| [21:03:30] | Beirdo: | it needs reworking to be useful in the new methodology anyways |
| [21:03:43] | wagnerrp: | there should be a TODO in there about messing with the --windowed stuff |
| [21:04:00] | wagnerrp: | i would have liked for it to present the opposite of the current setting |
| [21:04:05] | wagnerrp: | but that would require database access |
| [21:04:08] | wagnerrp: | and simply isnt possible |
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| [21:05:43] | wagnerrp: | plus there is the possible issue that you cannot actually tell if a boolean value was defined |
| [21:06:14] | Beirdo: | hmm |
| [21:06:21] | Beirdo: | we'll have to work on that :) |
| [21:06:49] | wagnerrp: | for most settings, it shouldnt be a problem |
| [21:07:08] | wagnerrp: | but in that specific instance, where it gets added to the settings override group, it may be |
| [21:07:39] | Beirdo: | 2011-Apr-26 14:07:30.645384 40ompleted @ 150.955 fps. |
| [21:07:42] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [21:07:49] | Beirdo: | I think I need to fix a log message |
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| [21:08:09] | Beirdo: | it's translating the "% " to nil |
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| [21:17:29] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [21:17:46] | Beirdo: | with the new command line, it can't connect to the master backend... when starting the master backend |
| [21:17:56] | Beirdo: | I think I'll leave the debugging for tonight :) |
| [21:19:05] | justinh: | gah WTH are radiotimes playing at with their Family Guy listings? |
| [21:19:16] | justinh: | "Animation following the misadventures of America's disaster-prone Griffin family, including baby Stewie – a secret genius plotting world domination. Talking pet dog Brian is often the voice of reason, but gets into scrapes of his own in the strange town of Quahog." |
| [21:19:20] | justinh: | well DUH |
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| [21:19:58] | wagnerrp: | perhaps that is their generic episode description? |
| [21:20:25] | justinh: | yeah for *hundreds* of showings |
| [21:21:08] | justinh: | ah wait |
| [21:21:19] | justinh: | for the next 7 or 8 days they've got actual descriptions |
| [21:21:34] | xand: | justinh: royal wedding description on bbc1 is good |
| [21:21:37] | xand: | Test test test. |
| [21:21:39] | justinh: | xand: I know |
| [21:22:01] | xand: | I guess it should say "see itv1" |
| [21:22:04] | xand: | or the other way round |
| [21:22:05] | justinh: | lol |
| [21:22:19] | justinh: | I'll be at work, so no matter :-) |
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| [21:30:33] | jst: | Nobody is alive in #v4l, so I figure I'll ask here... I'm following the web page and using git to get the latest version of v4l-dvb. However, I'm running kernel 2.6.32–5, and there isn't a version available for that kernel? Would I be safe to run 2.6.37? |
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| [21:36:44] | oobe: | jst, if it builds ok then it should be fine |
| [21:37:13] | oobe: | you will find that some modules in the v4l will get build errors and it will stop building |
| [21:37:29] | oobe: | you can go through and disable all the modules you dont need and see if it builds |
| [21:37:36] | jst: | Hmm, maybe I'll just stick with the tarball I'm using. |
| [21:37:51] | jst: | Ohh, right. Like make menuconfig? |
| [21:37:56] | oobe: | yea |
| [21:38:02] | oobe: | make menuconfig works |
| [21:38:16] | jst: | Okay, I'll see if this tarball is stable first. :) |
| [21:38:19] | jst: | Thanks for the help. |
| [21:38:33] | oobe: | its tedious though and if you already have somthing older that works i would just stick with that |
| [21:38:40] | oobe: | newer isnt always better |
| [21:39:04] | oobe: | i had to mess around with archives to find older versions that work better with some channels |
| [21:39:27] | oobe: | search the list for "tuning regression" if you want to see what i mean |
| [21:40:55] | jst: | Roger that. |
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| [22:23:18] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: my first thing to investigate after merging: http://pastebin.com/taRJxWhT |
| [22:23:46] | Beirdo: | as you were saying about booleans :) |
| [22:24:49] | wagnerrp: | well those should be simple enough |
| [22:25:25] | wagnerrp: | i probably had something flipped wrong somewhere |
| [22:25:35] | Beirdo: | tis possible :) |
| [22:25:58] | wagnerrp: | im talking about problems where theyre used to override some other variable |
| [22:26:07] | Beirdo: | ahh |
| [22:26:25] | wagnerrp: | as opposed to that location, where they are the only controlling variable |
| [22:27:09] | Beirdo: | the nice thing is, I have a moment to play with it |
| [22:28:46] | Beirdo: | 2011-Apr-26 15:27:17.290524 [23384] CoreContext mythcorecontext.cpp:295 (ConnectCommandSocket) – MythCoreContext: Connecting to backend server: 192.168.1.8:6543 (try 1 of 1) |
| [22:28:46] | MythLogBot: | SVN 23384: (branch master) https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/60d084e3 |
| [22:29:08] | Beirdo: | umm. Mr MBE, why are you trying to connect to yerself? |
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| [22:37:31] | Beirdo: | OK, made it further with -v all than -v system.extra |
| [22:37:37] | Beirdo: | ,extra rather |
| [22:38:14] | Beirdo: | holy spew :) |
| [22:39:46] | Beirdo: | umm |
| [22:40:05] | ** Beirdo scratches his head some more :) ** | |
| [22:40:37] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: those should probably be set to positive defaults, with names like 'runscheduler' and 'runautoexpire' |
| [22:40:50] | wagnerrp: | so if you trigger --nosched, it inverts it to false |
| [22:41:10] | Beirdo: | yeah, not too worried on those |
| [22:41:12] | ** wagnerrp doesnt really like negative settings ** | |
| [22:41:18] | Beirdo: | but I agree :) |
| [22:41:34] | Beirdo: | the --verbose mapping seems to be not kosher right now |
| [22:41:36] | Beirdo: | it seems |
| [22:41:49] | Beirdo: | so I'm trying to hunt down how it works :) |
| [22:41:58] | wagnerrp: | i should just be passing the qstring through directly |
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| [22:53:41] | Beirdo: | OK, it seems to do it right... hmm |
| [22:53:58] | Beirdo: | but somehow, it behaves differently with -v all |
| [22:54:11] | Beirdo: | right into the scheduling (very very verbosely) |
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| [23:19:21] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: tweakin the logging to deal with % better :) |
| [23:19:38] | Beirdo: | then I'll try the -v all again, see what spews forth |
| [23:19:42] | wagnerrp: | % in the actual text? |
| [23:19:57] | Beirdo: | yeah, as the logging internally uses vsprintf |
| [23:20:11] | Beirdo: | well, not anymore if coming from a QString :) |
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| [23:26:17] | Beirdo: | 2011-Apr-26 16:25:53.980953 MythCoreContext: Connecting to backend server: 192.168.1.8:6543 (try 1 of 1) |
| [23:26:20] | Beirdo: | 2011-Apr-26 16:25:53.981008 Connection to master server timed out. Either the server is down or the master server settings in mythtv-settings does not contain the proper IP address |
| [23:26:33] | Beirdo: | I get spewed that about 20 times, then it goes ahead and does stuff |
| [23:26:43] | Beirdo: | yay, a mutex lock fail |
| [23:26:46] | wagnerrp: | this is the master backend? |
| [23:26:50] | Beirdo: | yes |
| [23:27:02] | Beirdo: | it shouldn't be doing that at all |
| [23:28:19] | Beirdo: | and it's dying trying to unlock in the connect to master server |
| [23:28:20] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [23:28:22] | wagnerrp: | i probably missed an isMaster flag somewhere |
| [23:28:35] | Beirdo: | that would be my bet, yeah. :) |
| [23:28:39] | Beirdo: | I'll keep looking |
| [23:29:07] | wagnerrp: | since the various --scanvideos and --reschedule calls make it operate as a client |
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| [23:29:15] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [23:29:26] | wagnerrp: | i wouldnt mind moving that all to a separate application |
| [23:29:37] | wagnerrp: | the backend is the backend is the backend, period |
| [23:29:52] | Beirdo: | well, reschedule should send a signal to the scheduler app, ideally |
| [23:30:05] | wagnerrp: | which would be the master backend |
| [23:30:11] | Beirdo: | but we ain't there yet |
| [23:30:13] | wagnerrp: | but IMHO, that should be in a mythutility or something |
| [23:30:27] | Beirdo: | kill -WHATEVER pid |
| [23:30:37] | Beirdo: | don't even need a utility for something that simple |
| [23:30:56] | wagnerrp: | oh, youre saying have the scheduler as a completely independent application, not part of the master backend? |
| [23:31:11] | Beirdo: | possibly |
| [23:31:24] | Beirdo: | if not, have the master backend receive a UNIX signal to reschedule |
| [23:31:27] | wagnerrp: | im saying move all these one-off functions in mythbackend in a separate utility |
| [23:31:40] | Beirdo: | yeah, the majority of them should be |
| [23:32:50] | wagnerrp: | not that we need a separate utility for each call |
| [23:33:00] | wagnerrp: | just something that is a collection pot for that sort of stuff |
| [23:33:07] | Beirdo: | that would be a bit overkill for sure :) |
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| [23:35:38] | wagnerrp: | seems xbmc didnt participate in GSoC this year |
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| [23:37:50] | Beirdo: | ahhh, I see it |
| [23:38:35] | Beirdo: | you have a big if for setting it NOT as a backend, but no else saying that it *is* a backend :) |
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| [23:40:20] | Beirdo: | bingo |
| [23:40:42] | Beirdo: | such a tiny thing, makes such a huge difference. |
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| [23:42:12] | wagnerrp: | actually i copied a big if for setting it not as a backend |
| [23:42:16] | wagnerrp: | but i guess i copied it wrong |
| [23:43:19] | Beirdo: | well, you took out the gCoreContext->SetBackend(!cmdline.HasBackendCommand()); |
| [23:43:26] | Beirdo: | and replaced with the big if |
| [23:43:33] | wagnerrp: | heh, one little line.... |
| [23:43:35] | Beirdo: | so nothing called it with the true condition |
| [23:43:36] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [23:43:46] | Beirdo: | minor details, ya know :) |
| [23:43:55] | wagnerrp: | do you think the --version and --help stuff should automatically terminate rather than return to the thread? |
| [23:44:18] | Beirdo: | might be a good idea |
| [23:46:42] | Beirdo: | I really like the centralized parsing. |
| [23:46:44] | Beirdo: | :) |
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