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| [00:16:21] | randomuser: | I have a little experience with mythdora and mythbuntu, but not much beyond initial setup for the experience (I don't watch enough TV to subscribe) . I'd like to configure a mythtv box for someone that won't want to dig in too deeply, just use it. My question is: a) Should I even try to do this, considering the end user |
| [00:16:25] | randomuser: | oops |
| [00:16:46] | randomuser: | a)should i try this, considering the end users reluctance to learn the backend |
| [00:17:12] | wagnerrp: | someone somewhere will need to maintain the system |
| [00:17:13] | randomuser: | and b) is there an implementation or distro of mythtv better suited for this situation? |
| [00:17:21] | wagnerrp: | you could set it up, and let it run for years |
| [00:17:22] | iamlindoro: | IMO It depends entirely on what level of admin you* intend to do |
| [00:17:35] | wagnerrp: | but upgrades, and hardware issues, will eventually require some form of administrative maintenance |
| [00:17:50] | wagnerrp: | if the user cannot do it on their own, you will have to do it for them |
| [00:17:57] | iamlindoro: | If you can accept needing to handle it when recordings fail, backends deadlock, etc., then sure, it can be set up for someone else-- but if you want to not be someone's personal admin for it, I would suggest avoiding it |
| [00:18:14] | randomuser: | i have no problem with pitching in for maintenence |
| [00:18:28] | iamlindoro: | s/pitching in/doing it all yourself, often/ |
| [00:18:35] | randomuser: | hmm |
| [00:18:52] | iamlindoro: | Hope for the best, plan for the worst :) |
| [00:19:16] | randomuser: | you're saying i should expect stability issues, or things to break with updates, or confifurations to change with normal use? |
| [00:19:34] | iamlindoro: | ie, expect that the engineer of your friend's cable headend will move the channels weekly, that their hardware will cause timing issues and backend deadlocks, etc. and then be pleasantly surprised if any of those don't happen |
| [00:20:01] | iamlindoro: | So as long as you can accept any level of maintenance up to and including the worst case scenario, go for it |
| [00:20:32] | randomuser: | okay, that's good info on my first concern, thanks |
| [00:20:43] | iamlindoro: | Also evaluate your own expertise with myth, and how that affects them-- ie, if you can fix any problem without any help, that's good-- if you might need to come here and wait for someone capable of helping you to do so, how will that affect your user |
| [00:21:13] | iamlindoro: | Not trying to be a doomsayer, just proposing that you evaluate how it will affect your own free time in a worst case scenario |
| [00:21:21] | randomuser: | no, worst case is good |
| [00:21:32] | iamlindoro: | (and in turn, how tolerant the user will be if their cable is out for 8 hours while you hunt down an answer) |
| [00:21:32] | randomuser: | what do you mean by a |
| [00:21:41] | randomuser: | 'backend deadlock'? |
| [00:22:16] | iamlindoro: | an issue triggered by the unique timing of the system that causes the backend to continue running, but stop performing any of its basic activities like recording, streaming recordings, etc. |
| [00:22:39] | randomuser: | i would plan for such circumstances by allowing them to switch input on the TV during maintenence periods |
| [00:23:25] | randomuser: | are we talking timing as in program scheduling, or as in i/o scheduling? |
| [00:24:11] | iamlindoro: | timing as in the unique timing of the threads on that particular hardware causing the backend to be waiting for one thread to return information, but the thread that should be returning information being wedged and unable to ever provide it |
| [00:24:27] | iamlindoro: | and thus, the backend is, for all intents and purposes, dead |
| [00:25:16] | randomuser: | what's the fix? kill a couple processes, restart services? |
| [00:26:05] | iamlindoro: | That's the one-off fix, yes. Unfortunately some people never see them (specifically, most of us myth devs) and others with very slightly different setups see them daily. You just never know |
| [00:26:20] | iamlindoro: | Those that we see, we fix-- troubleshooting them on other's systems, though, is very difficult |
| [00:27:44] | iamlindoro: | You might end up with a setup that never sees them, ever. Very, very rarely, though, some users seem to see them quite a lot |
| [00:27:59] | randomuser: | is there functionality to alert a remote admin of such a lock, without the user having to pound their head against the wall? |
| [00:28:19] | iamlindoro: | Was just part of my caution to consider your response to a worst case scenario. In this case that would mean that "something" in the configuration or hardware would be causing it, and it would be nearly impossible to dtermine what |
| [00:28:25] | iamlindoro: | no, not really |
| [00:29:14] | iamlindoro: | as any of the popular monitoring tools (monit, pcsk, etc) are actually more likely to cause deadlocks than they are to detect them |
| [00:29:21] | randomuser: | sure |
| [00:29:58] | iamlindoro: | since the myth communication socket is kind of fragile and doesnt' deal well with random data, and those tools operate by connecting to the port without care for "speaking" the language |
| [00:30:09] | iamlindoro: | we've seen lots of cases of the backend getting very confused by that and deadlocking |
| [00:30:15] | randomuser: | if i do run into this kind of issues, what kind of feedback do the devs like? how can i help in that area? |
| [00:30:24] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: perhaps we should start rotating our server logs |
| [00:30:44] | wagnerrp: | the code.mythtv.org access log is 1337 MB large |
| [00:30:50] | iamlindoro: | You'd need to have build myth with the --compile-type=debug flag, then connect to the deadlocked backend process with gdb and get a threaded backtrace |
| [00:30:54] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp, hahaha |
| [00:31:03] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp, opportune timing? |
| [00:31:10] | wagnerrp: | must be |
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| [00:33:04] | cmfisher4: | anyone have mythtv set up and running on an amahi server? |
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| [00:34:17] | iamlindoro: | such an unfortunately named distro |
| [00:34:53] | randomuser: | connecting to a backtrace sounds outside of the norm for me, but it's never stopped me before |
| [00:34:58] | wagnerrp: | but, theyre bringing apps to the home server world |
| [00:35:06] | wagnerrp: | after all, apps are so much better than packages |
| [00:35:18] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp, ISTR the goofball providing their packages created a full DB and then just dumps it in... to make it "easy" |
| [00:35:22] | wagnerrp: | the name makes all the difference |
| [00:37:04] | cmfisher4: | i am unable to connect to mysql, even when i try and access as root...new to this |
| [00:38:45] | randomuser: | iamlindoro, i'm inferring here that compiling from source is preferred, so I suppose the platform i build on is personal preference. |
| [00:39:34] | iamlindoro: | randomuser, My preference for the average user is that they use packages, and many distros ahve debug packages available, fedora and ubuntu/mythbuntu included |
| [00:40:11] | iamlindoro: | randomuser, That removes some of the guesswork-- I personally build from source because I'm a developer and am working on myth on a rolling basis-- but nearly everyone else should, IMO, use packages |
| [00:41:30] | iamlindoro: | that said, if your distro's packages are a disaster, it's sometimes better to avoid them :) *cough*debian*cough*avahi^H^H^Hamahi |
| [00:41:49] | randomuser: | fair enough. I suppose I'll go with fedora, since ubuntu irritates me... |
| [00:42:28] | randomuser: | what about f14 w/ mythtv packages vs "mythdora" ? |
| [00:43:18] | iamlindoro: | mythdora is like mythbuntu in that it adds some secondary packages and configuration wizards to simplify setup. If you don't need those niceties, the myth packages themselves should be basically the same |
| [00:43:33] | iamlindoro: | myth is the same myth on both |
| [00:43:58] | randomuser: | i'd honestly rather skip the wizards an actually learn how my config files work |
| [00:44:38] | iamlindoro: | In the case of myth, there are no real config files to speak of (aside from one which simply points at the DB location), but there are configuration files for things like lirc, mysql, etc. |
| [00:46:14] | randomuser: | hmm... ok |
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| [00:48:19] | randomuser: | so i've got a hauppage hvr1600, a dual core athlonII/gigabyte board that happened to be a good newegg deal, small drive for OS, min one 1TB drive for storage, F14 with mythtv packaged. Am i leaving anything out? |
| [00:49:55] | randomuser: | oh, input |
| [00:50:16] | randomuser: | what's the standard there? lirc with a universal remote? |
| [00:51:47] | skd5aner: | yup |
| [00:52:06] | skd5aner: | MCEUSB remotes are popular and work well |
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| [00:55:21] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: ok... in place at http://code.mythtv.org/svnredirect/ |
| [01:01:00] | Beirdo: | cool |
| [01:01:49] | wagnerrp: | someone is doing something bad on the server |
| [01:01:54] | wagnerrp: | (hopefully that wasnt my doing) |
| [01:03:35] | wagnerrp: | ah, someone brought up the timeline |
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| [01:12:46] | wagnerrp: | skd5aner: still here? |
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| [01:14:56] | wagnerrp: | skd5aner: anyway... i finally installed the subversion redirect at the above link, and updated the template |
| [01:15:13] | wagnerrp: | that means all the old subversion links on {{changeset|}} work again |
| [01:15:34] | wagnerrp: | it also means the handful of git hashes defined that way no longer will |
| [01:16:07] | wagnerrp: | do you know how many of the latter there are? |
| [01:16:09] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: sorta...very cool! |
| [01:16:47] | skd5aner: | Very little – only 0.24 and 0.24-fixes release notes would be affected at all |
| [01:16:51] | wagnerrp: | wondering if those should just be changed to gitcommit on the wiki where needed |
| [01:17:14] | wagnerrp: | or if i should put in some sort of logic where if its given a hex value, it passes through directly |
| [01:17:54] | skd5aner: | if it's any of the "other" repositories (i.e., packaging, mythweb, etc) – don't forget it uses a third optional parameter {{gitcommit|SHA|repositoryname}} |
| [01:18:03] | wagnerrp: | i know |
| [01:18:06] | skd5aner: | :) |
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| [01:18:29] | skd5aner: | I think there's probably only a dozen or so, and like I said – I would be very surprised if there's any anywhere else on the wiki besides the 0.24 release notes |
| [01:18:40] | skd5aner: | I don't think there's any on 0.24-fixes as I just went through there |
| [01:18:58] | skd5aner: | er... sorry, I mean 0.25 |
| [01:19:22] | skd5aner: | and, lots of 0.24-fixes |
| [01:19:44] | skd5aner: | I'll change whatever I can find on those two pages |
| [01:22:10] | wagnerrp: | well i just did 0.24-fixes |
| [01:22:16] | skd5aner: | DOH! |
| [01:22:18] | skd5aner: | lol |
| [01:22:20] | skd5aner: | so did I – heh |
| [01:22:40] | skd5aner: | you missed one #23 ;) |
| [01:22:59] | NewBuntu81: | wow...what's changed in the 0.25 fixes? |
| [01:23:09] | skd5aner: | there is no 0.25-fixes |
| [01:23:20] | skd5aner: | just current development, which will likely be 0.25 |
| [01:23:29] | NewBuntu81: | oh ok |
| [01:24:01] | NewBuntu81: | Should an HVR-950q be set up as an IVTV card for analog, or DVB? |
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| [01:25:34] | wagnerrp: | the 950q is not an IVTV card |
| [01:25:49] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: updated 0.25, was 1 location that was wrong (and a typo in another) |
| [01:26:18] | [R]: | newBuntu81: are you STILL screwing around with that... lol |
| [01:26:45] | NewBuntu81-2: | R: I have my 2250 dual tuner card up and running. Now i'm trying to get my 950q and 850 working. :-) |
| [01:27:32] | [R]: | from my logs, it looks like you've BEEN trying for like forever |
| [01:27:50] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp, Beirdo: I'm impressed – thanks for the conversion |
| [01:27:56] | NewBuntu81-2: | And since Comcast just digitized channel 21 and above , I now have to figure how to change channels on the PACE DTA too lol. Luckily, most of what I watch is on the local channels so i'm not missing anything "important" |
| [01:28:59] | NewBuntu81-2: | Well you see...I first tried in Mythbuntu with the 950q. Then I saw that the 2250's were on sale at Microcenter and bought that so I focused on time on the 2250. Was tipped off by clgshaft that Fedora 14 had integrated support so i've been up and running for a few months now. Now i'm working on the other cards. :-) |
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| [01:29:17] | [R]: | get a real card |
| [01:29:18] | [R]: | problem solved |
| [01:29:26] | NewBuntu81-2: | lol. not a big fan of the usb ones? |
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| [01:29:57] | Beirdo: | hmm? Oh, yeah, wagnerrp put in the final touches to get it on the web :) |
| [01:30:27] | [R]: | newbuntu81no, no one is a fan of crappy framegrabbers |
| [01:30:44] | Beirdo: | will be a very small number of git commits that won't work... if you specify 5 or less digits |
| [01:30:54] | Beirdo: | the easy fix: use > 5 digits :) |
| [01:30:59] | [R]: | although i guess that is being redundant, cuz there is no non-crappy framegrabbers |
| [01:31:06] | NewBuntu81-2: | lol |
| [01:31:29] | Beirdo: | OK, almost time to go finish my desk (one part left) |
| [01:31:44] | NewBuntu81-2: | i have the 2250 set up to record channels 1–20, and i was going to use the usb ones to record from channels 21 and up via the DTA's |
| [01:31:58] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: you know how to write a robots.txt? |
| [01:32:18] | Beirdo: | I've done it before, but have to look it up each time |
| [01:32:20] | wagnerrp: | im thinking maybe we should ban googlebot from trac |
| [01:32:26] | Beirdo: | gonna keep google off the timeline? |
| [01:32:37] | wagnerrp: | at the very least, the timeline, yes |
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| [01:33:00] | Beirdo: | yeah, it would be a good idea with how poorly the git stuff works with trac |
| [01:33:09] | [R]: | NewBuntu81–2: i would have to gouge my eyes out if i had a setup as crappy as taht |
| [01:33:30] | Beirdo: | if we are gonna stick with trac (which it looks like we are), we should look to see what it would take to get it to cache the git stuff to the db |
| [01:34:13] | Beirdo: | but right now... time to finish this desk :) |
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| [01:34:25] | Beirdo: | then I can move like half the crap in the living room onto it |
| [01:34:27] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [01:34:39] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: and the mysql one, rather than sqlite one |
| [01:35:19] | NewBuntu81-2: | R: I know that the 2250 can record from both tuners at the same time. Can it also record those AND from a composite or svideo at the same time? (3+ things) |
| [01:37:25] | [R]: | NewBuntu81–2: my name isnt R, it's [R], no |
| [01:40:29] | wagnerrp: | its going through the fisheye browser |
| [01:40:34] | wagnerrp: | i didnt even know that was still active |
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| [01:44:14] | wagnerrp: | NASA should return to the moon for reasons of... national security? |
| [01:44:20] | wagnerrp: | how is that supposed to work? |
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| [01:45:07] | [R]: | to pevent someone else from making a base there |
| [01:45:08] | [R]: | like the chinese |
| [01:46:10] | wagnerrp: | now google AND yahoo are simultaneously raping trac |
| [01:53:20] | mycoDA: | mornin lads |
| [01:53:53] | mycoDA: | commemorative and contemplative and reflective ANZAC Day to you all lol |
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| [01:55:03] | wagnerrp: | anzac? |
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| [01:55:39] | mycoDA: | spose would be our version of veterans day |
| [01:55:45] | wagnerrp: | sounds like our memorial day |
| [01:56:02] | mycoDA: | commemorates a pointless bloodbath in WW1 |
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| [01:58:05] | wagnerrp: | 60% casualties on both sides, impressive |
| [01:58:38] | mycoDA: | and pretty much zero chance of success fromthe start – dont forget that bit |
| [01:59:37] | mycoDA: | they missed their landing point, but the brits were too arrogant to admit it, so rather than an assailable beach, they attacked up a cliff |
| [01:59:51] | jya: | mycoDA: rather disrespectful for the people who died there... Hindsight is a wonderfull thing isn't it.. |
| [02:00:27] | mycoDA: | huh???? how is it disrespectful to acknowlege they were screwed over by the brass? |
| [02:00:46] | mycoDA: | that they shouldnt have died, their lives shouldnt have been wasted |
| [02:01:14] | jya: | telling that people died in vain, for a pointless bloodbath is disrespectful IMHO |
| [02:01:16] | mycoDA: | that we need to make sure in the future nothing likt that EVER happens again |
| [02:01:34] | mycoDA: | ignoring it is disrespectful IMHO |
| [02:01:37] | jya: | and adding a LOL doesn't help |
| [02:01:48] | mycoDA: | makes their sacrifice totally in vain |
| [02:02:15] | mycoDA: | the lol was because it would mean nothing to anyone outside A/NZ |
| [02:02:35] | jya: | it can be ... but not on remembrance day when you are remembering your dead. Stating on that day that they died in vain, is disrespectful, in any ways you look at it |
| [02:02:52] | jya: | Well, I'm from Oz, and it means a lot to me |
| [02:03:23] | mycoDA: | no – ignoring their sacrifice is disrespectful, and means more will die needlessly |
| [02:03:34] | mycoDA: | LEST WE FORGET |
| [02:03:38] | mycoDA: | !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| [02:03:40] | jya: | Too bad people only think about how vain wars are when it comes to remember one that happen decades ago |
| [02:03:51] | mycoDA: | REMEMBER THEM |
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| [02:04:09] | mycoDA: | big part of my point jya |
| [02:04:32] | jya: | Remembering people, and in the same sentence states they died in vain is completely forgetting what *they* felt on that day. They surely didn't thing they died in vain |
| [02:04:42] | mycoDA: | lets stop glorifying war and death eh, gallipoli was a pointless bloodbath |
| [02:04:45] | jya: | and yes, the brits screwed the anzac forces big times |
| [02:04:50] | mycoDA: | sure they didnt think they were |
| [02:04:58] | mycoDA: | they trusted the brits |
| [02:05:05] | mycoDA: | tehy did an amazing job |
| [02:05:08] | jya: | they trusted their commanding officers |
| [02:05:13] | jya: | not the brits in particular |
| [02:05:29] | mycoDA: | they died – with no chance of achieving anything |
| [02:05:43] | jya: | I just think that discussing how pointless their death was on that particular day isn't appropriate |
| [02:06:14] | mycoDA: | if there as any one thing we SHOULD be remembering on this day it is how pointless their deaths were |
| [02:06:24] | mycoDA: | this isnt 11/11 you know |
| [02:06:31] | mycoDA: | this isnt about a victory |
| [02:06:59] | mycoDA: | this is a memorial for one of the most pointless bloodbaths in modern history |
| [02:08:04] | mycoDA: | save the glorification for remembrance day |
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| [02:15:22] | NewBuntu81-2: | Does anyone have TWO of the same card in their primary backend without issues? Example: Two 2250's, or Two 150's; etc.? |
| [02:15:46] | [R]: | i had 3 cards where 2 were the dsame once |
| [02:16:08] | NewBuntu81-2: | And it worked ok? |
| [02:16:31] | [R]: | of course |
| [02:16:33] | [R]: | why woudn't it |
| [02:17:09] | NewBuntu81-2: | Well, just because they're in there doesn't mean they work...like my 950q lol. :-) |
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| [02:20:10] | NewBuntu81-2: | What do you guys think of the 1150 MCE's? Any issues? |
| [02:22:56] | trumee: | my mythtv is not picking up the composite input. Is there any way to check composite input of pvr-500 outside myth? |
| [02:23:22] | trumee: | something with mplayer will be very useful. I got lost with the -pvr option of mplayer |
| [02:31:55] | waxhead: | 3 nova-t's in my system |
| [02:33:18] | mycoDA: | 3 u3100 minis on mine |
| [02:35:38] | NewBuntu81-2: | I guess hvr-1150's don't have hardware encoders either...hmmm. |
| [02:44:28] | Beirdo: | fisheye? I thought that was shut off, and removed? |
| [02:44:57] | Beirdo: | OK, desk is done |
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| [02:57:15] | chaorain: | Hey quick question. What partition type is best for videos? (Not Recordings) |
| [02:58:13] | wagnerrp: | primary, extended, gpt... doesnt really make a difference |
| [02:59:17] | chaorain: | so no major differences? |
| [02:59:53] | [R]: | rofl |
| [03:00:14] | wagnerrp: | well if your disk is larger than 2TB, GPT is the only option |
| [03:00:21] | wagnerrp: | but besides that, doesnt really matter |
| [03:00:39] | chaorain: | ok thanks |
| [03:00:59] | wagnerrp: | im pressure sure i did NOT answer the question you intended to ask |
| [03:01:46] | wagnerrp: | *pretty |
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| [03:06:16] | Igneous: | what an odd question |
| [03:09:27] | wagnerrp: | im fairly certain he didnt actually know what he was asking |
| [03:09:56] | mycoDA: | i think he meant filesystem |
| [03:10:10] | mycoDA: | xfs or zfs or ext4 i would think |
| [03:10:40] | wagnerrp: | i could have been less of a dick and answered the question he meant, rather than the question he asked |
| [03:11:05] | mycoDA: | something that isnt ext3 (large file delete issue) and handles large files |
| [03:11:14] | mycoDA: | you didnt know he would take off that fast |
| [03:11:25] | wagnerrp: | there is that |
| [03:11:46] | mycoDA: | (which reminds me – have to switch my recording and video filesystems to ext4) |
| [03:11:48] | wagnerrp: | i was expecting him to follow up with wondering why he asked the wrong question |
| [03:11:54] | mycoDA: | ditto |
| [03:12:49] | mycoDA: | maybe you DID answer the question he meant to ask? maybe he really WAS asking whether to use primary or extended |
| [03:13:03] | mycoDA: | stranger things have happened |
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| [03:13:54] | waxhead: | sure... but like any time you are presented with a choice you've not seen or thought about before, you ask the collective wisdom |
| [03:14:02] | waxhead: | I saw it as a reasonable question.. :) |
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| [03:15:05] | wagnerrp: | i was under the impression modern distros didnt give you a choice unless you specifically went looking for it |
| [03:15:23] | wagnerrp: | boot got stuffed on primary #1, and everything else was extended partitions |
| [03:15:38] | wagnerrp: | and for a disk >2TB, they come pre-partitioned |
| [03:17:30] | waxhead: | maybe, but when adding new disks though you have to run fdisk before creating the filesystem |
| [03:17:56] | wagnerrp: | if youre using a modern distro with a gui, you shouldnt have to |
| [03:18:16] | waxhead: | I've always wondered why you'd chose primary over extended.. |
| [03:18:23] | waxhead: | but never got around to googling it |
| [03:18:35] | wagnerrp: | the BIOS needs to boot off a primary partition |
| [03:18:36] | waxhead: | wagnerrp, really? I didn't know that.. :) |
| [03:18:41] | wagnerrp: | so you need at least one |
| [03:18:56] | mycoDA: | and if u run doze and other things, 2 |
| [03:18:58] | waxhead: | hmm.. timing there is funny.. I meant about the GUI thing.. |
| [03:19:09] | mycoDA: | windows doesnt like boothing of extended lol |
| [03:19:16] | waxhead: | right.. |
| [03:19:17] | mycoDA: | oh lol |
| [03:19:22] | wagnerrp: | the MBR only supports four primary partitions, and knows nothing about extended partitions |
| [03:19:52] | waxhead: | for me, I put a new disk in, open up a command console and fdisk... |
| [03:20:01] | waxhead: | didn't even occur to me to look for a gui tool |
| [03:20:19] | waxhead: | sweet!! now I don't have to google.. thanks.. |
| [03:20:40] | wagnerrp: | i use 'zpool create' |
| [03:20:44] | ** waxhead likes lurking ** | |
| [03:20:55] | waxhead: | never heard of it |
| [03:21:09] | mycoDA: | gparted style gui tool wagnerrp? |
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| [03:24:27] | wagnerrp: | no, command line |
| [03:24:48] | wagnerrp: | its not a partitioning tool |
| [03:24:53] | wagnerrp: | i dont bother partitioning my bulk drives |
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| [04:04:18] | aormond: | I'm having issues getting a number of "deleted" recordings to actually delete (This is on .22). They continue to show in the deleted group, and the media is actually present, but I can't remove them. If anybody thinks they could help, I would really appreciate it. Thanks! |
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| [04:06:20] | aormond: | I CAN delete them manually in the filesystem, but that's the only way I've been able to do it. I don't believe they're "orphans", because the file is actually present and the database appears to be aware of them. |
| [04:06:33] | [R]: | you shouyld probably stop using a versino of myth that is as old as dirt |
| [04:06:51] | aormond: | Probably. Still. |
| [04:07:42] | aormond: | I subscribe to the theory "if it ain't broke, don't fix it". Granted... it is broke now. :) |
| [04:07:55] | [R]: | lol |
| [04:13:16] | mycoDA: | having just gone from 0.22 to 0.24fixes a couple of months back (same school of thought as you – jaunty went unsupported) it IS well worth going to 0.24 |
| [04:14:23] | aormond: | Any problems with the transition? |
| [04:15:24] | wagnerrp: | crap |
| [04:15:50] | wagnerrp: | trying to figure out why the job scheduler is not placing this job |
| [04:15:58] | wagnerrp: | is because i never actually run the scheduler |
| [04:16:02] | wagnerrp: | awesome! |
| [04:16:08] | Beirdo: | heh, that might do it |
| [04:17:09] | mycoDA: | couple with jaunty-lucid aormond, nothing major. no issues with myth – just worked |
| [04:18:06] | mycoDA: | if you are on ubuntu – dont go to 10.10/11.04 – go to 10.04LTS |
| [04:18:14] | mycoDA: | IMO |
| [04:18:48] | mycoDA: | the lts releases get 3–5 year support – and the mythbuntu team will be releasing for it til 12.04 arrives |
| [04:19:02] | aormond: | I am on ubuntu. Thanks for the tip. Maybe next time I have a long weekend I'll give it a shot. |
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| [04:19:15] | wagnerrp: | or you could just use gentoo, which hasnt had a release in three years |
| [04:19:21] | wagnerrp: | :) |
| [04:19:29] | mycoDA: | lol |
| [04:19:48] | mycoDA: | was surprised how little the releases mena on buntu wagnerrp |
| [04:19:51] | mycoDA: | *mean |
| [04:20:24] | mycoDA: | seems to be the sort of thing that i saw as just updates 10 years ago |
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| [04:34:09] | giloron: | Hi |
| [04:34:22] | mycoDA: | hey there |
| [04:34:30] | mycoDA: | 'sup? |
| [04:34:42] | giloron: | I'm having trouble setting up an HVR-1600 |
| [04:35:01] | mycoDA: | did you check out linuxtv.org ? |
| [04:35:03] | giloron: | The IVTV MPEG-2 option isn't in the tyle list |
| [04:35:07] | giloron: | er type |
| [04:35:26] | giloron: | I just upgraded from a working .22 setup on a gentoo box |
| [04:36:15] | mycoDA: | gentoo and a 1600, sounds like wagnerrp's cup of tea rofl |
| [04:36:16] | wagnerrp: | known issue with the 2.6.38 kernel |
| [04:36:24] | mycoDA: | lol i knew it |
| [04:36:27] | giloron: | figures |
| [04:36:28] | wagnerrp: | nothing to do with gentoo |
| [04:36:41] | mycoDA: | just knew you would know rob |
| [04:37:02] | wagnerrp: | or the 1600 for that matter |
| [04:37:05] | giloron: | ok, I'll upgrade my kernel tomorrow and try again. |
| [04:37:14] | mycoDA: | between it being myth, gentoo, and a 1600, knew you would know any issues |
| [04:37:31] | wagnerrp: | i dont have a 1600 |
| [04:38:04] | mycoDA: | didnt say you did |
| [04:38:19] | mycoDA: | said you always have a handle on them |
| [04:38:48] | ** wagnerrp goes back to more stuff he somehow seems to have forgotten to write for the jobqueue ** | |
| [04:39:14] | giloron: | thanks again. later. |
| [04:39:14] | wagnerrp: | something to sync the local in-memory list with that in the database |
| [04:39:21] | wagnerrp: | i /know/ i wrote that like a month ago |
| [04:39:24] | wagnerrp: | and yet... i didnt |
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| [04:42:19] | mycoDA: | grr @ gpu fan in my master – couldnt you have stopped in a week when i planned to replace you |
| [04:42:44] | wagnerrp: | hehe |
| [04:42:51] | wagnerrp: | got a tube of graphite, or light machine oil? |
| [04:43:03] | wagnerrp: | open it up, douse it in the stuff |
| [04:43:15] | wagnerrp: | should be good for a week or so |
| [04:46:57] | mycoDA: | got both actually |
| [04:47:07] | mycoDA: | just a hassle i didnt need |
| [04:48:13] | mycoDA: | just bought a thermalatke isgc-v320 and coolermaster geminii – jus waiting for em to arrive |
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| [05:17:29] | trumee: | guys, on a PVR-500 without any extra header, is the onboard header Composite 1 ot Composite 2? |
| [05:18:00] | ** trumee never realised how difficult it is to setup setop-box with mythtv :( ** | |
| [05:18:33] | trumee: | i followed http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/S-Video/Composite_Input_Recording but i end up with a red screen |
| [05:18:57] | wagnerrp: | pretty sure the panel has composite 1 |
| [05:19:05] | wagnerrp: | your STB doesnt have svideo? |
| [05:20:28] | trumee: | wagnerrp: no there is svideo |
| [05:20:40] | trumee: | wagnerrp: and yes, i was able to play the composite video using mplayer |
| [05:20:53] | trumee: | wagnerrp: scratch that, not mplayer |
| [05:20:58] | wagnerrp: | if there is svideo, you should use svideo |
| [05:21:19] | trumee: | wagnerrp: using, v4l2-ctl -i 2 -d /dev/video3, cat /dev/video3>blah.mpg |
| [05:21:49] | trumee: | wagnerrp: No i only have Yellow/Red/White ports for composite. No s-video. |
| [05:22:33] | trumee: | wagnerrp: What i am not sure of is should i select Composite 1 or Composite 2 for /dev/video3 |
| [05:23:52] | trumee: | wagnerrp: i have installed an extra header on the "header 2" of the pvr-500 as well |
| [05:25:03] | trumee: | wagnerrp: created a source called 'dumb', added a random channel number to it. and then used 'dumb' video source for both Composite 1 and Composite 2. |
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| [05:27:52] | trumee: | wagnerrp: any idea what might be wrong? |
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| [05:29:27] | wagnerrp: | youre getting nothing out of that node? |
| [05:31:31] | trumee: | wagnerrp: finally got it! |
| [05:31:54] | trumee: | wagnerrp: Composite 1 is the "second header" on the card! |
| [05:32:26] | trumee: | wagnerrp: pretty strange. I thought Composite 2 should be second header (extra port) |
| [05:34:05] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [05:35:13] | Beirdo: | OK, inhaled some pizza. time to debug |
| [05:36:11] | trumee: | wagnerrp: could it be because i need to move the extra input ports to "header 1"? |
| [05:36:46] | wagnerrp: | trumee: that card should show up as two separate tuners |
| [05:37:05] | wagnerrp: | the first tuner will have a composite 1 on the back panel, and composite 2 on the first header |
| [05:37:17] | wagnerrp: | the second tuner will have a composite 2 on the second header, with composite 1 being inaccessible |
| [05:38:30] | trumee: | wagnerrp: The card physically has two headers, which header should i connect my extra bracket to? |
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| [05:39:30] | trumee: | wagnerrp: This is what i want to do. |
| [05:39:42] | trumee: | wagnerrp: I dont want to use the extra bracket at all |
| [05:40:14] | trumee: | wagnerrp: i want one Tuner and one Composite video to run simultaneously. is that possible without the extra bracket? |
| [05:40:20] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [05:40:32] | wagnerrp: | use the back panel composite video, and the second tuner |
| [05:41:01] | trumee: | wagnerrp: right. let me try that again. |
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| [05:52:18] | trumee: | wagnerrp: that worked. thanks! |
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| [05:55:17] | trumee: | wagnerrp: only issue now is that the SD stream is now being clicked on my LCD TV |
| [05:59:58] | trumee: | wagnerrp: hmm. funny sometimes it works ok. guess i will live with it for now. |
| [06:00:10] | trumee: | wagnerrp: thanks for the hint on ports. That was real eye opener |
| [06:00:31] | wagnerrp: | clicked? |
| [06:01:09] | trumee: | wagnerrp: what do you mean? |
| [06:03:20] | wagnerrp: | 'the SD stream is now being clicked on my LCD TV' |
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| [06:14:45] | wagnerrp: | sphery: any reason why mythlink hasnt been moved completely over to the wiki? |
| [06:17:32] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: i think a lot of the problem with these abandoned tickets is that the user never gave a proper address, and as such they dont receive email |
| [06:18:01] | wagnerrp: | since thats no longer allowed, i wonder if it will happen as often |
| [06:19:22] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: also, would it be worth a job that goes though once a day and closes 'infoneeded' tickets automatically after a month? |
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| [06:25:59] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp, I think it would help, but it a) relies on devs to remember to set infoneeded in the first place, and b) relies on us to set info provided if the user forgets to |
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| [06:26:13] | iamlindoro: | that said, I'm headed to be so don't feel ignored if I don't respond any more :) |
| [06:26:31] | wagnerrp: | i could have the same task set info provided |
| [06:26:40] | wagnerrp: | if there has been a response since the infoneeded was set |
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| [14:10:59] | rileyp: | Im using irsend to adjust volume on my yammy amp and when use the keyboard shortcuts I have created it works fine but when I use my MCE remote to do the same irw shows the button being pressed and the led blaster is lighting up in front of the amp but the amp volume does not change |
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| [14:11:25] | rileyp: | The mce remote is using the same script as the keyboard shortcut so it can only be a timing issue I think Does this sound correct? |
| [14:12:26] | rileyp: | if I press the button once on the remote up or down it does work but if I hold button down the led light and no dice |
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| [15:06:38] | ringo: | hello |
| [15:07:10] | ringo: | does the latest mythtv support both version of the crystalhd encoder (models 12 and 15)? |
| [15:07:29] | ringo: | decoder ... |
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| [15:14:29] | iamlindoro: | the 700012 is not supported. The 700015 is supported with numerous bugs, and the support is purely experimental |
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| [15:26:13] | ringo: | can anyone share their experience using the crystalhd decoder with the latest code? what are the current shortcomings/limitations/bugs? |
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| [15:31:44] | wagnerrp: | ringo: to be honest, im only aware of a couple people actually using that card |
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| [15:32:17] | iamlindoro: | And the driver is fairly hopelessly broken at the moment anyway, with broadcom not seeming to care |
| [15:32:43] | russell5: | does the myth_video_scan do the same thing has menu> scan for changes in mythvideo? |
| [15:33:00] | iamlindoro: | ie, certain material is returned from decode out of order, it's possible to choke the IO buffers and have the card not return anything for seconds at a time-- until Broadcom squares away the driver, there's little applications can do |
| [15:33:37] | wagnerrp: | russell5: it is supposed to, yes |
| [15:33:43] | wagnerrp: | although it is deprecated in 0.25 |
| [15:34:25] | russell5: | thats what i thought. im using .24 and it doesn't find matches for videos but when i scan for changes in mythvideo it does |
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| [15:35:16] | wagnerrp: | it should be using the same (albeit a slower implementation of the) strategy used in mythfrontend |
| [15:36:02] | wagnerrp: | all defined Videos folders on all machines are scanned |
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| [15:36:25] | ringo: | I am assuming you are using the latest from http://git.wilsonet.com/crystalhd.git/. CrystalHD support was just merged into the main ffmpeg branch and VLC also added support for it in the last couple of months. I tested VLC decoding of 1080i h264 and it worked flawlessly ... How can I reproduce the bug? Do you have a sample stream? |
| [15:36:28] | wagnerrp: | new content is added, removed content is checked against new content using the hashes, content on inaccessible machines is ignored |
| [15:37:03] | wagnerrp: | russell5: note that it only works on storage groups |
| [15:37:10] | wagnerrp: | if you are not using storage groups, it will not function |
| [15:37:25] | russell5: | yeah it doesn't like me for some reason. probally something i am doing wrong. no big deal |
| [15:37:35] | iamlindoro: | ringo: You should speak to phillip langdale, who wrote the ffmpeg support, he's well aware of the issues and has numerous samples which exhibit the issue, namely nearly anything with the HDMV tag |
| [15:37:37] | wagnerrp: | in fact, the whole of the python bindings only operates on content available in storage groups |
| [15:37:52] | iamlindoro: | ringo: He's also one of many people to have reported it to NAren at broadcom, with no response |
| [15:39:19] | wagnerrp: | i remember seeing something a couple weeks back in the dev channel about reporting brokenness to broadcom, i think elm ojo was complaining about it |
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| [15:39:31] | iamlindoro: | yes, he's another |
| [15:39:46] | iamlindoro: | In fact, in that very conversation he linked to Phillip reporting it to Naren... .again |
| [15:40:36] | ringo: | I wrote him an email to ask about hardware deinterlacing a few days ago. However, since he does not know me I am not sure I will get a response ;) |
| [15:41:39] | wagnerrp: | i was under the impression the CHD had fairly limited deinterlacing capabilities |
| [15:42:25] | wagnerrp: | not to mention the limited bitrate of a PCIe x1 bus tends to limit your options in that regard |
| [15:42:38] | ringo: | as far as I understand, the limitation is on the driver and not the hardware. At first, it did not have hardware downscaling either and now it does. |
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| [15:52:48] | ringo: | I am setting up a new frontend with a core i3–540 with integrated video for playback of HD content (h264 and MEG2) and I will test the crystalhd decoder there. I was thinking of going with ubuntu 10.04LTS. Is there any reason to go with a newer version? |
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| [16:18:52] | NewBuntu81-2: | Does the WinTV-PVR-150 MCE Low Profile PCI card also have an integrated Mpeg hardware encoder onboard? I saw that the 150 MCE does, but i didn't realize they had a low profile version of the card out too. |
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| [16:24:30] | wagnerrp: | yes, the PVR-150 has an mpeg encoder |
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| [16:55:02] | karl_: | hi all, i have set up mythtv on a debian squeeze box with a monitor and a tv connected to a GeForce 7300 GT. All works well, but trying to play video does not play any video |
| [16:55:51] | karl_: | i tried the command line captured from ps -ef while it runs and get vo: couldn't open the X11 display (:0.1)! |
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| [16:56:40] | karl_: | i think the :0.1 is the tv, but i am not sure. is there any easy way to find out which display is called what ? |
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| [17:00:01] | wagnerrp: | that doesnt sound like a mythtv error |
| [17:00:47] | karl_: | it seems i run xinerama and not separate x displays |
| [17:01:06] | wagnerrp: | if you ran xinerama, then you wouldnt have a :0.1 |
| [17:01:13] | wagnerrp: | all your displays would be on a single screen |
| [17:01:28] | karl_: | yes, apparently mythtv thinks i have two displays |
| [17:01:42] | karl_: | all my displays are on a single screen |
| [17:01:53] | karl_: | mplayer -xineramascreen 2 works |
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| [17:02:07] | wagnerrp: | can i see the exact error in your logs? |
| [17:03:07] | karl_: | vo: couldn't open the X11 display (:0.1)! |
| [17:03:35] | wagnerrp: | i mean... pastebin a chunk of logs |
| [17:03:42] | wagnerrp: | thats 'pastebin', not 'paste' |
| [17:04:26] | karl_: | mythtv has the -display :0.1 in the mplayer command line |
| [17:04:37] | wagnerrp: | mythtv does not use mplayer |
| [17:05:18] | wagnerrp: | recordings have always used the internal player |
| [17:05:24] | wagnerrp: | mythvideo now uses the internal player as well |
| [17:05:48] | wagnerrp: | even when mythvideo used to default to using mplayer, the default command line did not specify the display |
| [17:06:02] | karl_: | well, when i press play on my video (its in the video section, not the recordings) and then ps -ef in another window i find the mplayer command line playing the video |
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| [17:06:34] | karl_: | i seem to remember one can set a custom command line somewhere, maybe i have done that... its a quite old setup |
| [17:06:37] | wagnerrp: | in the mythvideo setup in the frontend, you will find an option to specify the player |
| [17:06:42] | wagnerrp: | you want to set it to use Internal |
| [17:07:21] | karl_: | ok, i will check that first think after i have picked up my mother-in-law which i have to do right now or hell will be on fire |
| [17:07:31] | karl_: | thanks for your help, i will try to find the option |
| [17:07:33] | karl_: | gotta run.... |
| [17:07:35] | karl_: | Cheers |
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| [19:00:25] | karl_: | hi again wagnerrp ! |
| [19:00:51] | karl_: | you were right, i had at some point in time configured myth to play with mplayer, on the second screen, like i had it set up on another box |
| [19:01:12] | karl_: | switched back to internal, now it works as expected. |
| [19:01:17] | karl_: | thanks a lot for your help |
| [19:01:21] | karl_: | cheers, Karl |
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| [20:10:22] | NewBuntu81-2: | Would anyone know if these the same "pvr-150-mce" chipsets? 1) Hauppauge/HP WinTV AMITY2 PVR-150 MCE PCI 26652 5187–7621, 2) HP WinTV-PVR-150 MCE PCI 26552 5188–4202? |
| [20:12:36] | NewBuntu81-2: | 1) Item Number: 16016140, Product ID: 332000718–01. Link: http://www.pricefalls.com/products/Hauppauge- . . . /id/16016140 |
| [20:12:36] | NewBuntu81-2: | 2) Item Number: 16015560, Product ID: 332000670–01. Link: http://www.pricefalls.com/products/HP-WinTV-P . . . /id/16015560 |
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| [20:15:55] | Beirdo: | NewBuntu81–2: looks likely. You could always look on hauppauge's website too |
| [20:21:15] | NewBuntu81-2: | " * Model 1045: NTSC version |
| [20:21:15] | NewBuntu81-2: | * Model 1046: PAL/SECAM version |
| [20:21:15] | NewBuntu81-2: | * Model 1047: NTSC version with English/French manual (no other difference) " |
| [20:21:26] | NewBuntu81-2: | "Be sure the one you obtain is the correct one for your region. " |
| [20:21:46] | NewBuntu81-2: | So I'd want a 1045 or 1047 for the US, correct? |
| [20:22:13] | NewBuntu81-2: | (And thanks Beirdo) |
| [20:22:17] | wagnerrp: | what exactly are you looking for? |
| [20:22:30] | wagnerrp: | what do you want the card to do? |
| [20:23:40] | NewBuntu81-2: | another tuner, just analog coax support (and i see this has composite too). built in hardware encoder is a must also. |
| [20:23:40] | wagnerrp: | nevermind, i saw HP and thought you were looking for the low profile version |
| [20:23:53] | NewBuntu81-2: | nah i found these INSTEAD OF the low profiles. |
| [20:24:12] | wagnerrp: | i was going to say, if you want low profile, pick up an HVR-2250 |
| [20:24:46] | NewBuntu81-2: | yea i have a 2250. But i now have to add in 1 or 2 DTA's. The DTA's are coax only, so i wanted a single card for each DTA. |
| [20:25:12] | wagnerrp: | right... since the DTAs only output rf, so the 2250 isnt an option |
| [20:25:24] | NewBuntu81-2: | The 2250 records channels 1–20 which cannot be "encrypted" per FCC. But sometimes I want to watch or record above 20, so I need something to handle the DTA too |
| [20:25:27] | NewBuntu81-2: | yep |
| [20:25:40] | NewBuntu81-2: | plus i only had one PCI-e slot and the 2250 took it. |
| [20:25:54] | tmkt: | i've got a hvr-1600 i'm trying to get rid of |
| [20:26:12] | NewBuntu81-2: | hahah. Thanks, I think i'll just buy new though. |
| [20:26:24] | NewBuntu81-2: | Get em while I can still find 'em. :-) |
| [20:27:00] | NewBuntu81-2: | Had I known the hvr-850 was cr@p, I wouldn't have bought it. The 950 came with Liquid TV so I've had that awhile. |
| [20:27:37] | wagnerrp: | the 850 is fine for digital |
| [20:27:57] | tmkt: | yeah.have an 850 also or 950 not sure |
| [20:28:04] | tmkt: | love the 1600..but replaced it with an hdhomerun |
| [20:28:40] | NewBuntu81-2: | i have a lot of PCI slots open so that's why i thought the 150 would be a good addition, that and the DTA can only output into coax anyway. |
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| [20:38:03] | NewBuntu81-2: | Does anyone have a PVR-150 in the US that can tell me if their model is a) PCI 26552, or b) PCI 26652? |
| [20:38:29] | russell5: | i do but i packed it up yesterday in a moving box |
| [20:38:39] | NewBuntu81-2: | hahah, doh. have a safe move! |
| [20:39:49] | Beirdo: | and mine are 250s |
| [20:40:49] | NewBuntu81-2: | Ok. I'm doing an online chat. Their customer service is pretty good. The guy is going to call the reseller to find out the difference. |
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| [20:47:07] | NewBuntu81-2: | Awesome. So the Live Chat vendor called the reseller vendor, and now they're calling Hauppauge. LOL. |
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| [20:52:25] | gregL: | NewBuntu81, I have a 26552. |
| [20:55:29] | gregL: | NewBuntu81–2, ^^^^^ |
| [20:55:50] | NewBuntu81-2: | Great! And you're in the US? |
| [20:56:01] | gregL: | Yes,Northern NY |
| [20:56:16] | NewBuntu81-2: | Ah, yes. RR. Thanks man! |
| [20:56:22] | gregL: | NP |
| [20:56:45] | NewBuntu81-2: | Speedy response. You beat the Live Chat response. LOL |
| [20:57:59] | gregL: | NewBuntu81–2, I have the advantage of having it in my hand...I have two and took this one out last week... |
| [20:58:14] | NewBuntu81-2: | lol. that's awesome! |
| [20:58:36] | NewBuntu81-2: | I've got the 850 and 950q handy if anyone needs info off those, LMAO. hahaha |
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| [21:03:27] | NewBuntu81-2: | As gregL mentioned, the vendor came back and stated that the one with double 5's is the Hauppauge branded one. |
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| [21:04:09] | NewBuntu81-2: | $37.05 each...dang. that's half the price of what I paid for that cr@ppy 850! bah! lol |
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| [21:11:40] | NewBuntu81-2: | I can't believe it's in the mid 80's today! nice weather in southern PA! |
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| [22:56:50] | perlmonkey: | hi ho |
| [22:57:06] | ** perlmonkey sneaks in through the back door ** | |
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| [23:01:24] | perlmonkey: | hi |
| [23:04:25] | Twiggy2cents: | should mythtv-setup work with ssh -X ? |
| [23:04:58] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [23:05:15] | wagnerrp: | it should also work by manually setting DISPLAY, rather than using ssh tunneling |
| [23:07:31] | Twiggy2cents: | wow, I am retarded.... I tunneled into my server then forgot I established a connection, THEN tunneled into itself with -X and couldnt figure out why it didnt work |
| [23:07:36] | Twiggy2cents: | Face palm |
| [23:10:29] | Twiggy2cents: | wagnerrp, do you watch fringe? |
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| [23:16:39] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [23:17:22] | Twiggy2cents: | Did you watch the last episode? |
| [23:17:41] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [23:17:44] | Twiggy2cents: | I amost wish I didnt. I should of waited til the end and watched them all at once. |
| [23:18:18] | Twiggy2cents: | It was a good episode but it was a very abrupt ending, no closure at all. |
| [23:20:55] | Twiggy2cents: | is human target done for good? |
| [23:25:31] | perlmonkey: | did you watch Ultraviolet Twiggy? |
| [23:26:07] | Twiggy2cents: | the movie right? |
| [23:26:11] | Twiggy2cents: | If so, then yes |
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| [23:34:12] | perlmonkey: | Twiggy sorry I was getting my dinner |
| [23:34:19] | perlmonkey: | no Ultraviolet was a tv series |
| [23:35:00] | perlmonkey: | it only ran for one series (6 episodes) which are on 4oD I think currently |
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| [23:37:27] | kormoc: | perlmonkey, UltraViolet was also a movie, http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0370032/ |
| [23:38:09] | perlmonkey: | kormoc thanks I didn't know about the movie, I don't think it's in anyway related to the British tv series of the same name by the look of it |
| [23:38:24] | kormoc: | it was based on a comic book series I believe |
| [23:38:31] | perlmonkey: | oh right |
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| [23:40:26] | perlmonkey: | the tv series was a clever modern take on vampires, where there's a highly organised secret society of them and the gov has setup a special task force to eliminate them |
| [23:40:49] | kormoc: | Ahh, they're both based on the same comic book likely |
| [23:40:53] | kormoc: | just very different directions |
| [23:41:05] | perlmonkey: | they are smart vampires with high finance, working on synthetic blood and using humans as ginnea pigs etc |
| [23:41:22] | perlmonkey: | there's no biting or fighting etc |
| [23:41:27] | perlmonkey: | its all high brow stuff |
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| [23:42:34] | perlmonkey: | imagine if all the give blood stuff, is really going to this secret society |
| [23:42:58] | kormoc: | (See also Vampires: The Masquerade) |
| [23:43:11] | perlmonkey: | they dont need to bite people, people go to them and give their blood freely |
| [23:43:50] | perlmonkey: | so the vampires are not like what you expect |
| [23:43:57] | perlmonkey: | they have transfusions etc |
| [23:44:35] | perlmonkey: | one society feeds off the other, and to them we are just a food source, cattle |
| [23:45:06] | perlmonkey: | in Ultraviolet you see vampires moving around in daytime |
| [23:45:15] | perlmonkey: | but only with specially adopted cars |
| [23:45:19] | perlmonkey: | *adapted |
| [23:46:24] | perlmonkey: | that girl looks hot in the Ultraviolet movie |
| [23:46:46] | kormoc: | Milla Jovovich? ++++++ |
| [23:46:57] | Twiggy2cents: | Its resident evil girl |
| [23:47:00] | perlmonkey: | :D yes |
| [23:47:06] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: that game was based off the same series? |
| [23:47:37] | ** wagnerrp pulls said game off his shelf ** | |
| [23:47:37] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, sorta. It mixed in from a lot of different sources, but that was one of them |
| [23:47:45] | kormoc: | least, as far as I understand it |
| [23:49:18] | perlmonkey: | i HATE google analytics |
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| [23:53:36] | mycoDA: | she looks gd in a cuple of strips of duct tape too |
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| [23:56:07] | Twiggy2cents: | fifth element? |
| [23:56:35] | wagnerrp: | now now, they were thermal straps |
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