Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Sunday, April 24th, 2011, 00:00 UTC

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NewBuntu81:

thanks sphery

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compdoc:

when I scan comcast qam channels, the channel numbers show up as 2_1, etc rather than 2.1 so schdules direct cant seem to match stuff up. is there a website with info to help fix this?

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[R]:

there is a setting in myth scanner to set the seperator

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compdoc:

hmm, ok

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compdoc:

where is that?

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[R]:

in the scanner...

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compdoc:

theres Input Connections, where the scanning is done, but no options there

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[R]:

hrm, maybe they removed it

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NewBuntu81:

are you sure you're not getting over the air channels in there too?

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[R]:

just goto the chanenl editor

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[R]:

and fix it

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NewBuntu81:

my tv gets the whole digit numbers, and then some over the air digital ones too

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iamlindoro:

ATSC channels are hardcoded to use the _ separator. Just edit the channels and change them to what you want them to be-- or just assign them the correct XMLTVids

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iamlindoro:

Note that's ATSC signalled channels-- all other found channels (regular ClearQAM) without ATSC signalling will use the separator you set

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iamlindoro:

The simpler solution is to just edit the channels since you'll have to do that for the non-ATSC signalled ones, and set XMLTVids for all of them. Easiest way to do that in .24 and less is the mythweb channel editor. Easiest way in master is the backend web setup channel editor

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compdoc:

thanks

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NewBuntu81:

Does anyone have guidance on setting up a Comcast DTA? It stays on channel 3/4 (whatever you set) and requires an IR blaster.

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NewBuntu81:

There is no composite/svideo out...so obviously I set the adapter up as analog mode and to channel 3 or 4 as selected on the box.

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cmfisher4:

anyone got time for a linux noob trying to install drivers for his tv card? (happauge TVR-2250)

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wagnerrp:

hehe... rickshaw is crashing on the mailing list

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NewBuntu81:

cmfisher, what OS and version?

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NewBuntu81:

and do you mean HVR-2250?

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cmfisher4:

Yes, HVR-2250. Using Fedora 14...found the drivers (I think) at a Steven Toth's site...but frankly, it's very intimidating coming from windows...willing to learn, though

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cmfisher4:

I've followed the wiki on his site, but I'm getting 404 Not Found for the driver listed in the wiki...assume there is an updated one

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xilet:

honestly the hauppauge 2250 works out of the box with the latest kernel

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cmfisher4:

xilet: well, that would make it easy...again, total noob...is there any "device manager" equivalent that I can look at to see if the card is being recognized?

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NewBuntu81:

also with 2.6.35.6–45 (cd version of fedora 14)

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kc:

cmfisher4: you probably just need the firmware. Check dmesg | grep saa7164

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kc:

Look for firmware not found or something like that

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NewBuntu81:

you can also do a "dmesg | grep firmware" to see if the firmware is loading. if so, paste what one its trying to use

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NewBuntu81:

you should be using this firmware, "NXP7164-2010-03–10.1.fw"

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NewBuntu81:

firmware=driver in windows terminology :-)

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cmfisher4:

i just did the lsmod...shows the saa7164 module, which i remember seeing on the websites

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cmfisher4:

NewBuntu81: yeah, installing firmware makes me nervous...drivers..not so much :)

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NewBuntu81:

do a "uname -a" without quotes, tell us what version you're using. it changes after patches if you patch the kernel.

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cmfisher4:

kc: okay, using the dmesg | grep saa7164...says waiting for firmware upload (that fails) NSP7164-2010-03–10.1.fw

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NewBuntu81:

Does anyone have guidance on setting up a Comcast DTA? It stays on channel 3/4 (whatever you set) and requires an IR blaster.

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wagnerrp:

NewBuntu81: what exactly is your question?

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kc:

NSP or NXP?

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cmfisher4:

2.6.35.12–88.fc14.x86_64

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NewBuntu81:

cmfisher4: try reading the backend and frontend logs. should be under /var/firmware/mythtv and named mythbackend.log and mythfrontend.log.

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cmfisher4:

kc: NXP

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kc:

http://steventoth.net/linux/hvr22xx/firmwares/4019072/

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cmfisher4:

NewBuntu81: haven't installed mythtv yet...wanted to make sure my drivers were good first

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cmfisher4:

kc: ok...again, hate to say this, but now where would I put the driver?

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NewBuntu81:

wagnerrp: I've never used [any] IR blaster before. I was told by clgshaft that the hvr2250 integrated blaster isn't functional, stoth also verified. So at this point, can you point me to a link...a how to?

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NewBuntu81:

/lib/firmware

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wagnerrp:

most people pick up an MCEUSB unit

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NewBuntu81:

cmfisher4: but check there first to see if it's already there

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wagnerrp:

theyre readily available, fairly cheap, and well supported

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wagnerrp:

when you configure an input, there are two places to enter a channel number

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wagnerrp:

the dropdown is mythtv's default channel for livetv

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wagnerrp:

the text entry box is for channel 3, or 4

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wagnerrp:

whatever the tuner must be preset to

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NewBuntu81:

ok

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NewBuntu81:

i'm familiar with the xmlid too, use that a lot

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cmfisher4:

don't see that driver in there...bunch of folders, but don't see any happague ones...no NXP firmware

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NewBuntu81:

cmfisher: do a "locate NXP7164-2010-03–10.1.fw"

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kc:

cmfisher4: yea, if dmesg reports the .fw file missing, you need to download it and place it in /lib/firmware

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NewBuntu81:

cmfisher: if it's on there, it will tell you where

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roger__:

how can I upgrade my mythtv frontend to 0.24 without updating the OS to 11.04 ?

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cmfisher4:

okay...having permission problems now....

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wagnerrp:

roger__: use the mythbuntu ppas

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roger__:

googleing it

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roger__:

thanks

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kc:

cmfisher4: access denied?

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cmfisher4:

kc: yeah, trying to figure out how to do root access in the gui

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kc:

dunno. Easier just to "sudo mv /path/to/file.fw /lib/firmware" in a terminal

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sphery:

roger__: http://www.mythbuntu.org/repos

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roger__:

But this is a full Ubuntu Install, there's no mythbuntu control centre

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roger__:

suppose I could install it

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roger__:

The backend is on a seperate machine running mythbuntu... this is a workstation using ubuntu

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NewBuntu81:

wagnerrp: i ordered an HP 5070–2584.

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NewBuntu81:

wagnerrp: looks like this. http://www.compsupportla.com/ebay/12272008/remote/5070-2584.JPG

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cmfisher4:

kc: moved successfully....

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NewBuntu81:

cmfisher4: easier to use the commands, but you can use "sudo nautilus" if you have that installed.

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cmfisher4:

no, i don't...it's been a while since my dos days, though...last cli that I've done was about 20 years ago

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cmfisher4:

kc: do i reboot to try and get it to now find the drivers?

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kc:

That would be the easiest way

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kc:

Or you could remove and reload the kernel module

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cmfisher4:

kc: no, that sounds too dangerous...see what happens

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NewBuntu81:

Can you have multiple IR blasters set up on one box?

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cmfisher4:

kc: kick ass...looks like it worked...everything says its registered, now

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kc:

Good to hear

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cmfisher4:

thanks!

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kc:

Welcome. How are you planning on using the tuners... both analog/digital or mixed?

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mycoDA:

for next time – roger could have installed mythbuntu-control-center and it would do all the setup for him

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cmfisher4:

i have no idea...lol...just basic cable coming in...just want to make a high-priced vcr

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kc:

k, should be no prob

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wagnerrp:

cmfisher4: does that mean you want to manually define when and where to record?

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cmfisher4:

wagnerrp: frankly, I have no idea what that means...i am VERY new at linux and this will be my first install of mythtv now that i have the drivers working (i think)

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wagnerrp:

a VCR records time frames, a DVR records shows

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NewBuntu81:

brb

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cmfisher4:

would want a dvr, then...good point, never really thought about it that way

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mycoDA:

would have said that was dvr/vcr vs pvr myself wagnerrp

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wagnerrp:

anyway, the point was if you wanted the functionality of a VCR, then mythtv is not what you want

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NewBuntu81:

hahaha. have you tried to buy a vcr lately? you can only get them with a dvd player.

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xilet:

thrift stores are great for them

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NewBuntu81:

they make good tuners if you need one for something LOL

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NewBuntu81:

like to backfeed something coax into an rf modulator

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xilet:

Exactly, I keep one around just for that

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wagnerrp:

curse you delicious chili, why cant i stop eating you

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NewBuntu81:

hmmm, my box doesn't like the hvr-2250 AND the 950q. I can do one or the other, hahaha.

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NewBuntu81:

Removed the 950q and now the 2250 (both tuners) are working great again and recording.

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cmfisher4:

think i may have screwed up the install....cannot connect with database

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cmfisher4:

think i populate the fields right, but tells me it cannot log on

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Beirdo:

now, where was I before the nap and then building part of my desk?

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wagnerrp:

so.... 'mythwikiscripts is too slow, this must be a bug'

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Beirdo:

must be

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wagnerrp:

much as i hate to pander to that ticket, hes got a point, and its all of 20 seconds to do

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wagnerrp:

one of those things that takes 4x as long to futz around in git, than actually fixing

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Beirdo:

Well, I think I'm off to bed. hopefully tomorrow I'll finish building the desk

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Beirdo:

got the credenza part done, need to do the hutch and the L part

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Beirdo:

each part is about 100lb

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Chewi:

hello. I'd like to request that http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/9357 be reopened. it was closed a little dismissively, the reporter certainly isn't the only person with this problem, and I've made an important discovery.

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Chewi:

even though iPlayer doesn't work in MythNetvision, it does work if you browse to the iPlayer site in MythBrowser

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perlmonkey:

happy Easter guys

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wagnerrp:

Chewi: unless a ticket is locked, anyone can re-open it

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iamlindoro:

however, since we have nobody to maintain that grabber, if you reopen it, I'll simply remove the grabber

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perlmonkey:

can't mount it

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compdoc:

any idea why scanning channels misses channel 12–1 on comcast?

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perlmonkey:

i dont even know what comcast is

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Chewi:

wagnerrp: thanks, I didn't spot that :)

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Chewi:

wagnerrp: actually it IS locked :(

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justinh:

perlmonkey: US cable company. Less evil than Virgin Media, but then most cablecos in the world are

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justinh:

LOL @ the description on uk_rt for the royal wedding coverage on BBC1: "test test test"

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[R]:

they already made a tv movie on lifetime about them

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[R]:

wtf mate

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[R]:

who cares

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justinh:

lol

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[R]:

A new study has predicted that royal bride-to-be Kate Middleton will soon overtake Princess Diana as the most talked-about woman in the world.

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[R]:

justinh: like really?

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perlmonkey:

hi justin

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perlmonkey:

:D less evil than VM

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perlmonkey:

everything Branson's Virgin touches turns to shit, yet hes still praised as the biz wonder boy

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justinh:

[R]: like you said. Who really cares? We have more pressing concerns :-)

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[R]:

lol

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justinh:

perlmonkey: you mean, he makes something a success, then it starts to go pear-shaped but before that he's already got rid of it :-)

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perlmonkey:

thats it

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perlmonkey:

Blueyonder wasn't perfect but it had far less problems than VM

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perlmonkey:

Virgin Trains...nuff said

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perlmonkey:

but in fairness to old goatie beard..the trains are not exactly known to run on time

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justinh:

rather take a Virgin train than any of the other firms though

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perlmonkey:

did you hear some Muslim org is planning to sabotage the royal wedding

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perlmonkey:

they have a website apparently with a count down timer something big might be going down

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perlmonkey:

I might have to decommission my myth box :(

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Dubstar04:

is anyone familiar with mythxml?

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wagnerrp:

Dubstar04: what version of mythtv are you running?

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NewBuntu81:

Where do you scan for audio devices? Is it in mythfrontend or mythbackend (setup)?

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wagnerrp:

in the frontend, in the audio setup screen

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Dubstar04:

wagnerrp: 0.24

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wagnerrp:

Dubstar04: then you may want to upgrade to trunk before doing any serious tinkering with mythxml

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Dubstar04:

i cant really as my mythbox is a daily user and the missus gets vexed if it plays up!!

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wagnerrp:

well the mythxml interface has been completely rewritten for trunk

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wagnerrp:

and is currently being altered, and expanded upon

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Dubstar04:

is there any documentation complete yet?

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wagnerrp:

no documentation as of yet, and by the very nature of something that is being rapidly expanded, there cannot be complete documentation

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Dubstar04:

are you working on mythxml?

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wagnerrp:

no, im just a user of mythxml

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wagnerrp:

(the python bindings implement a number of mythxml calls)

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Dubstar04:

my query is more of a xml problem (i think?)

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wagnerrp:

well the xml data has changed between 0.24 and trunk

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NewBuntu81:

Does an HVR-950q have an onboard media/audio encoder, or is it all software based?

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wagnerrp:

NewBuntu81: framegrabber only

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Dubstar04:

i am trying to get a program description of a program and its returned outside an attribute (myth 0.24) I might just leave it as the code im working on wont be complete for some time, maybe i can impliment it later.

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Dubstar04:

fyi: http://pastebin.com/fau1MhQF

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Dubstar04:

im not sure how to parse it (QXmlStreamReader)

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wagnerrp:

Dubstar04: so whats the difficulty?

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Dubstar04:

i am not sure how to parse the description from the xml as it has no attribute

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Dubstar04:

maybe i am ovelooking something simple?

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wagnerrp:

depends completely on whatever reader you are using

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wagnerrp:

but it should be readily available

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Dubstar04:

i am using QXmlStreamReader

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wagnerrp:

my guess would be readElementText

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Dubstar04:

did you see the pastebin example i posted?

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wagnerrp:

yes, its just an XML element

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Dubstar04:

ok i am going to have a go with that. thank you.

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wagnerrp:

ive only messed with XML in python, and IIRC its just a '.text' object attribute

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wagnerrp:

although for 0.25, ive been accessing everything through JSON instead

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wagnerrp:

mythxml is no longer a XML interface

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wagnerrp:

but rather a generic serialization interface

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wagnerrp:

XML and JSON are currently the two available serializers

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NewBuntu81:

Do remote controls have to "match" a standard with the receiver to work properly? Example, does an RC6 remote only work with an RC6 compatible ir receiver?

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wagnerrp:

correct

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NewBuntu81:

So most MCE remotes are RC6, correct?

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wagnerrp:

i believe all are, yes

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wagnerrp:

all that function with the MCEUSB lirc driver, anyway

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NewBuntu81:

Does anyone know what "type" a Comcast DTA is?

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awalls:

In my experience MCE remotes are all RC6 Mode 6A. It also appears the MicroSoft standardized almost all the key codes.

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NewBuntu81:

Would a non-RC6 remote control still show activity (red dot) on an RC6 receiver?

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awalls:

On an MCE USB, yeah.

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awalls:

Doesn't mean it will get decoded properly though.

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awalls:

The MCEUSB passes raw pulse measurments up to the driver, so it probably is possible to examine the pulse data and figure out what protocol it is.

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awalls:

I don't recall how to turn on the logging though.

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awalls:

The MCEUSB can theoretically decode any RC protocol, since it measures raw pulses.

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[R]:

measuring pulses ins't fun

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[R]:

:(

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[R]:

lol

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awalls:

The HVR-1850 (and some CX23888 based HVR boards) can as well, but the dirver has a hardcoded assumption of RC-5, RC-^ or NEC depending on the board.

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awalls:

/RC-6/

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awalls:

[R]: no it isn't. :(

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wagnerrp:

in the news... kentucky man builds roadster powered by bourbon

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wagnerrp:

in other news... kentucky man found lynched, likely for egregious waste of bourbon

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Dubstar04:

wagnerp, the readElemetText worked. thank you for your help.

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NewBuntu81:

I'm trying to configure LIRC to work with my Comcast DTA. I keep getting errors. Any idea what I'm doing wrong? http://pastebin.com/1VPDuvQR

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NewBuntu81:

Does anyone know if a Comcast DTA is an RC6

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NewBuntu81:

or RC5 type of capable remote/receiver?

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: you around?

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wagnerrp:

yep

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Beirdo:

just wondering if it's safe to merge the commandline branch into the new-logging one

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Beirdo:

were there still things pending there? I can't remember :)

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wagnerrp:

testing was still pending

[21:32:39]

Beirdo:

ahh

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wagnerrp:

plus there still a decision to be made about type safety

[21:33:04]

Beirdo:

ahh

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Beirdo:

be good to get some closure on that so we can move on :)

[21:34:59]

Beirdo:

it does look like you took it in the right direction

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Beirdo:

as I expected :)

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wagnerrp:

expected what?

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Beirdo:

I expected that you'd make it a lot better.. and ya did

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iamlindoro:

I wonder if it might make sense to fix the brokenness in the ffmpeg merge before we do too many more merges

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Beirdo:

before merging into master, sure

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iamlindoro:

Ah, I misread, you meant to merge two non-master branches

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Beirdo:

heh, nah, I was thinking of merging the commandlineparser -> new-logging

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Beirdo:

but not into master. not for a bit yet

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Beirdo:

but I've hit a point where I'd be changing what he's already changed

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Beirdo:

it's a good point to pause at and bug-fix the stuff in master though

[21:40:57]

Beirdo:

need to make a new to-do list so I don't forget stuff too :)

[21:41:46]

Beirdo:

OK, let's see what the problem is with that mheg stuff now that I have some time to look at it properly

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NewBuntu81:

Where do you put an lircd file so that it tells mythtv what buttons do what?

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NewBuntu81:

I'm running Fedora

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[R]:

NewBuntu81: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/LIRC

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NewBuntu81:

Thanks [R]. I've reread through that. So I put it in my user home directory?

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[R]:

you put it where that page tells you

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Beirdo:

anyone here with MPEG2TS recordings with MHEG stream in it?

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Beirdo:

I think I have a fix, but it would be nice to have a sample recording to test with

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Lexridge:

Happy Easter everyone. I have a problem, and I am somewhat sure this should be directed at the devs, but I will ask here first.

[22:31:58]

Lexridge:

Anything I record from my off-air CBS affiliate (which I work for), mythfrontend cannot fast forward or rewind through the programming.

[22:32:10]

Lexridge:

Note, this only happens with v .24

[22:33:20]

Lexridge:

The exact same thing happened on Dish Network DVRs when they added the local stations to their lineup.

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Lexridge:

However, they fixed it after about 2 months. All receivers got a firmware update to handle the issue.

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Lexridge:

it has something to do with the mpeg header our encoder was making (Adtec). They said although it did follow the MPEG standard, it was not like everyone elses headers.

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Lexridge:

That said, I am CERTAIN we are not the only TV station using Adtec encoders.

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Lexridge:

and they (Dish Network) did NOT tell us what the header difference was either.

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Lexridge:

Is everyone taking a nap after Easter dinner? lol

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trumee:

I am trying to scan analogue cable tv in 0.24. Why does myth create channel numbers for all frequencies?

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trumee:

i am using the try-all parameter.

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trumee:

with PVR-500 card.

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wagnerrp:

trumee: are you in north america?

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trumee:

wagnerrp: no, in asia

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wagnerrp:

im not sure what this 'try-all' parameter you talk of is

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trumee:

wagnerrp: and i dont have any channel line-ups. So have to rely on random frequencies

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wagnerrp:

well its not random, you use the defined frequency table for your area

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trumee:

wagnerrp: "try-all" is under Channel frequency table

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trumee:

wagnerrp: previously i had used xawtv to scan the all the frequencies.

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trumee:

wagnerrp: in 0.24 it seems myth is not taking its time to scan the frequencies, it is simply zipping through to create the channel numbers

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wagnerrp:

it should be doing a proper scan

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trumee:

wagnerrp: i should set it up as IVTV MPEG-2 encoder card?

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trumee:

wagnerrp: rather than Analogue V4L capture card?

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wagnerrp:

yes, you should be using the IVTV card type

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