| Friday, April 22nd, 2011, 00:12 UTC | ||
| [00:12:00] | keith: | wagnerrp: good to know, thx |
| [00:12:50] | keith: | and good to know about mythbackend |
| [00:12:57] | keith: | i will try to as well, it just has a shitton more deps |
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| [00:20:47] | wagnerrp: | well qt is the only real big one, and please watch the language in this channel |
| [00:21:29] | wagnerrp: | i assume you need mysql for tvheadend as well, and you can get by with only the Xorg libraries, not a full server |
| [00:23:22] | keith: | oh sorry |
| [00:23:32] | keith: | and yea, i dunno about qt being in optware.. |
| [00:23:46] | keith: | definitely going to try if cant get tvheadend working |
| [00:23:59] | keith: | ooh, the 950q even works on mac, nice. |
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| [00:37:29] | kaervek: | Woah, there's a shitton of people in here! |
| [00:39:04] | wagnerrp: | please watch the language in this channel |
| [00:40:18] | kaervek: | Ahh okay – checking the rules now :D |
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| [00:43:02] | ** wagnerrp wonders if he had any idea what mythtv was prior to entering ** | |
| [00:45:05] | sphery: | guess he's one who feels if you can't swear in its channel, MythTV isn't worth using |
| [00:45:18] | sphery: | One of those swear-ware users |
| [00:46:18] | Shadow__X: | har har |
| [00:48:04] | wagnerrp: | sphery: im thinking the problem with the invalid protocol version check is the ProcessRequestThreads arent getting freed properly |
| [00:48:23] | wagnerrp: | so after a couple connections, theyre all used up |
| [00:48:30] | wagnerrp: | and no further requests are processed |
| [00:48:52] | sphery: | which are processrequestthreads? proto handler threads? |
| [00:49:07] | sphery: | if so, that would be surprising since that hasn't really changed |
| [00:49:46] | sphery: | markk looked at the bt on http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/9704 and it might be a real deadlock |
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| [00:50:01] | wagnerrp: | yeah, qt stuff listens on the socket, and when there is new information, it triggers a signal to the server |
| [00:50:27] | sphery: | (of course, since everyone things it's a "Protocol version check failure," there may actually be people with 20 different problems that all result in locking the backend talking on that ticket) |
| [00:50:29] | wagnerrp: | if the socket isnt in use by another requests, it bumps the request threads, and one of them picks up the request for handling |
| [00:50:58] | sphery: | considering the proto version check failure is necessarily /not/ coming from the backend that's locked, but from any client trying to connect to it |
| [00:51:03] | wagnerrp: | (or i may just be seeing a similar symptom on my branch with that whole chunk largely rewritten) |
| [00:51:21] | wagnerrp: | no, its a backend issue |
| [00:51:27] | wagnerrp: | it has nothing to do with the protocol check |
| [00:51:28] | sphery: | yeah, it's a backend issue |
| [00:51:33] | sphery: | and, yeah, that's what I'm saying |
| [00:51:42] | wagnerrp: | but rather that the protocol check is the first command sent, and first command not responded to |
| [00:51:47] | sphery: | has nothing to do with proto version check--in spite of what the threads and tickets say :) |
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| [00:52:13] | sphery: | so users may be grouping many different problems together |
| [00:52:21] | sphery: | or it may just be an autoexpire/scheduler deadlock |
| [00:52:31] | sphery: | or may just be a request-thread problem, like you said |
| [00:55:27] | sphery: | anyway, I haven't been paying much attention to it, other than sending a link to #9721 when a user said "As soon as I started it up, it killed the master, the same as before." , which was obviously the wrong ticket to link since "killed" is code word for "deadlocked" rather than meaning crashed or segfaulted or, er, "killed" :) |
| [00:56:07] | sphery: | plus I mentioned that we've been seeing socket errors since 0.21, but it can't possibly be that |
| [00:56:17] | sphery: | "because it only did it after I upgraded" |
| [00:57:03] | sphery: | (and, since--presumably--there were no code changes in the upgrade, it's impossible for a pre-existing race-condition to be triggered by code changes that result in timing changes) |
| [00:58:01] | sphery: | sorry--wasn't helping (but venting felt good :) |
| [00:59:32] | sphery: | wagnerrp: anyway, if you do have a lead on it, it's definitely worth pursuing--or even just discussing with others (markk or Beirdo or ...)--since it sounded like markk wasn't positive it's actually a thread deadlock |
| [01:00:15] | mycoDA: | hey you 2 – you seem up with stuff – know anything about the ocz vertex 2 64Gbit thing? |
| [01:00:34] | wagnerrp: | too small for any meaningful use |
| [01:00:40] | wagnerrp: | at that size, just buy more ram |
| [01:00:53] | mycoDA: | huh??? |
| [01:00:58] | wagnerrp: | huh??? |
| [01:01:03] | mycoDA: | is the size of the chips on em |
| [01:01:11] | wagnerrp: | 64GBit |
| [01:01:25] | wagnerrp: | not uncommon amount of memory for modern desktops |
| [01:01:51] | mycoDA: | yeah – 8 for a 60/55/50G drive |
| [01:02:06] | wagnerrp: | GBit... |
| [01:02:23] | mycoDA: | they moved from a 32Gbit process |
| [01:02:24] | wagnerrp: | oh, youre talking about the individual NAND chips |
| [01:02:28] | mycoDA: | uhuh |
| [01:02:55] | mycoDA: | there has been a performance and capacity change with that |
| [01:02:58] | wagnerrp: | so that just means its cheaper and slower for the same amount of space |
| [01:04:10] | wagnerrp: | although even with 8 NAND chips, you should still be bottlenecked by the controller |
| [01:04:15] | mycoDA: | yeah – wondering if anyone had a (industrial?) perspective on if it was actually a noticable difference at all |
| [01:04:19] | wagnerrp: | at least an older SATA2 part |
| [01:04:33] | wagnerrp: | SATA3 stuff may have enough headroom that you would notice |
| [01:04:56] | mycoDA: | nah – the 8 chip part is apparently quite slow – the sf1200 has more channels than that |
| [01:05:28] | wagnerrp: | but its not slow because its only 8 chips, its slow because of deficiencies in the controller |
| [01:05:30] | mycoDA: | guessing the 80G is a 12/24 chip part |
| [01:06:02] | mycoDA: | u sure??? parallellism generally matters |
| [01:06:24] | mycoDA: | either way – it is controller that is the biggest factor in ssd speed |
| [01:06:40] | wagnerrp: | a 32Gbit and 64Gbit are going to have the same interface, and so the same throughput |
| [01:06:43] | mycoDA: | and the sf1200 is about the best, apart from the new ones about to hit |
| [01:06:51] | wagnerrp: | and that throughout is going to be able 40MB/s per chip |
| [01:07:08] | mycoDA: | yeah – same throughput PER CHIP |
| [01:07:22] | Shadow__X: | mycoDA: i have a microcenter 64gb ssd (rebranded adata s599) with a sf1200 in it and its really quick i like it |
| [01:07:25] | kormoc: | mycoDA, what's your real question? |
| [01:07:37] | wagnerrp: | so 6–8 chips per SSD, you should be looking at >>200MB/s |
| [01:07:49] | wagnerrp: | if youre running slower than that, its due to deficiencies in the controller |
| [01:08:09] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, it'll be 8 or 16 chips per channel, one chip is parity for RAISE |
| [01:08:16] | mycoDA: | just how much real world impact the 64gbit chips have on the sf1200 drives, vs the older 32gbit |
| [01:08:39] | wagnerrp: | it makes things cheaper |
| [01:08:42] | mycoDA: | there is a whole bruhaha about their benches being slow |
| [01:08:49] | wagnerrp: | and the controller is still the bottleneck |
| [01:09:03] | kormoc: | mycoDA, going from 8 32 gbit chips to 8 64 gbit chips has no speed impact. from 16 32 gbit chips to 8 64 gbit chips has a speed impact (slower) |
| [01:09:08] | mycoDA: | and about the capacity being lower as more is used by RAISE |
| [01:09:24] | mycoDA: | the benches disagree kormoc |
| [01:09:27] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, not in this case actaully, the sandforce controllers are extremely fast |
| [01:09:35] | kormoc: | less chips per channel == slower |
| [01:09:52] | kormoc: | the benches agree with that statement |
| [01:11:05] | mycoDA: | either way – wondering how much difference the difference between the 24 and 12 chip 80(96)GB drives there would be IN THE REAL WORLD |
| [01:11:39] | kormoc: | a lot |
| [01:12:23] | mycoDA: | hmmmm |
| [01:12:30] | mycoDA: | is a lottery atm |
| [01:12:35] | kormoc: | mycoDA, http://www.anandtech.com/show/3661/understand . . . es-are-equal |
| [01:13:13] | mycoDA: | http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/ocz-verte . . . sd,2867.html |
| [01:13:27] | mycoDA: | actually comes out better in a couple of benches |
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| [01:13:42] | kormoc: | http://www.anandtech.com/show/4256/the-ocz-ve . . . view-120gb/2 |
| [01:13:46] | kormoc: | http://www.storagereview.com/ocz_vertex_2_25n . . . ssd22vtxe60g |
| [01:14:17] | kormoc: | "Switching to random 2MB transfer in IOMeter the 32nm model has a strong lead, topping out at 241 and 233MB/s read speed, while the 25nm model only offers 207 and 212MB/s. Write speeds also take a hit with the 25nm model coming up 9 to 17MB/s slower compared to the previous generation Vertex 2." |
| [01:14:23] | mycoDA: | that 1st one you posted has no relevance |
| [01:14:28] | kormoc: | sure it does |
| [01:14:34] | kormoc: | not all SF1200's are the same |
| [01:14:56] | kormoc: | it was revenant to Shadow__X's statement |
| [01:15:04] | kormoc: | that said, |
| [01:15:35] | kormoc: | I'm not going to argue this. The facts are the facts. OCZ has even admitted that the newer drives are slower and are going to use different model numbers for them in the near future |
| [01:15:51] | kormoc: | and will exchange and 25nm for a 32nm for free |
| [01:16:00] | kormoc: | *any |
| [01:16:00] | mycoDA: | yeah – the thing the 1st one says is that OCZ have faster drives than other sf1200s |
| [01:16:19] | mycoDA: | except it doesnt seem to be on the 80G drives |
| [01:17:02] | wagnerrp: | mycoDA: yes, the vertex 3s, with an sf2000 |
| [01:17:09] | mycoDA: | and they have only admitted that 60G is slower due to only having 8 chips which cannot feed the controller well |
| [01:17:20] | kormoc: | that's not true at all |
| [01:17:23] | kormoc: | but hey, whatever |
| [01:17:37] | kormoc: | this isn't #ssd |
| [01:17:41] | mycoDA: | no – that OCZ have better firmware due to an agreement with sandforce wagnerrp |
| [01:17:57] | kormoc: | that's not entirely true |
| [01:18:05] | kormoc: | Corsair also ships with the 'better' firmware |
| [01:18:14] | mycoDA: | just saying that is what the 1st link you posted says |
| [01:18:21] | kormoc: | also known as the 'pretend to have a BBU so you can lie about fsyncs' firmware |
| [01:18:50] | kormoc: | that link doens't claim it's exclusive to OCZ, just that OCZ is one that does ship it |
| [01:19:03] | wagnerrp: | well that sounds ominous |
| [01:19:29] | mycoDA: | andForce has recently released its first MP firmware: 3.0.5. This firmware, as you’d expect, caps small file random write performance on all SF-1200 drives except for the Vertex 2 in accordance with SandForce’s agreement with OCZ. |
| [01:19:36] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, the SF 1500/1600 and 2500/2600 have supercaps that act like BBU's |
| [01:20:04] | kormoc: | mycoDA, that's not the firmware that ships with the drives |
| [01:20:05] | mycoDA: | so yes – it does say it is exclusive |
| [01:20:23] | kormoc: | other manufacturers have their own firmware for the suckers |
| [01:20:58] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, the 1200/2200's can use the enterprise firmware, but they don't have the physical supercap |
| [01:24:54] | mycoDA: | the ocnfusing thing is – even on those benches YOU posted – 4 reads are faster on the newer drive |
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| [01:42:46] | mycoDA: | the 25nm REALLY doesnt look that bad, except on the 60G perhaps |
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| [03:07:49] | G: | is there an easy way to edit all future recordings at the same time? want to disable the instruction to flag commercials |
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| [03:09:48] | wagnerrp: | you can set the recording rule to not flag commercials |
| [03:10:06] | wagnerrp: | and you can set new rules to default to not flag commercials |
| [03:10:23] | [R]: | and you can set a channel no flag |
| [03:10:31] | [R]: | or commercial free i guess its called |
| [03:10:37] | G: | yep, then I want to apply the new defaults to scheduled recordings |
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| [03:11:59] | G: | actually, might be just as easy doing it manually via mythweb |
| [03:13:59] | wagnerrp: | if the recordings have not yet been recorded, just change the rule that would otherwise have them flag commercials |
| [03:21:46] | G: | wagnerrp: hmmm, that didn't happen last time I'd changed the recording settings, I'll give it a go and see |
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| [04:03:34] | grishnav: | holy fuck there's a lot of people in here |
| [04:03:49] | [R]: | please watch the language |
| [04:03:59] | grishnav: | oh |
| [04:04:00] | grishnav: | sorry |
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| [04:04:25] | wagnerrp: | christ... thats two people now |
| [04:04:35] | wagnerrp: | come in, comment on the user count, and leave |
| [04:04:40] | wagnerrp: | WTF... |
| [04:05:09] | [R]: | rofl |
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| [04:31:39] | [R]: | these chicks on police women are tough |
| [04:32:33] | ** wagnerrp does not need tv ** | |
| [04:32:44] | ** wagnerrp can drive across the river and follow the sirens ** | |
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| [04:33:32] | [R]: | lol |
| [04:34:01] | [R]: | speaking of crossing a river |
| [04:34:14] | [R]: | when i was visitig my sistetr in st louis, we were trying to go to a casino |
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| [04:34:24] | [R]: | but she missed the turn, and seh was like, well, we are crossing the river into illinois |
| [04:34:30] | [R]: | so now i can say i've been to illinois... lol |
| [04:35:55] | dipstick: | so um, what's the policy on language? |
| [04:36:27] | [R]: | dipstick: family friendly |
| [04:36:39] | dipstick: | so pg rated? |
| [04:36:49] | [R]: | dipstick: g |
| [04:36:55] | [R]: | wagnerrp: i just noticed that guys retarded ipv6 address |
| [04:37:10] | dipstick: | oi, too limited :( |
| [04:37:15] | [R]: | dipstick: you are free to leave |
| [04:37:29] | dipstick: | yup bye |
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| [04:39:15] | wagnerrp: | seriously... what is going on? |
| [04:42:34] | wagnerrp: | [R]: yeah, the entire last /64 on ipv6 is intended to be under user control |
| [04:42:52] | [R]: | i was listening to steve gibson talk about ipv6 |
| [04:43:10] | [R]: | his isp offered him like some crazy netblock... not /64... bigger |
| [04:43:22] | wagnerrp: | ive got a /48 through my tunnel broker |
| [04:43:36] | [R]: | that might have been what it was |
| [04:43:39] | [R]: | but this was through cogent |
| [04:43:41] | [R]: | nto a broker |
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| [07:41:49] | wagnerrp: | sphery: well i figured out /my/ socket communication issues |
| [07:42:38] | wagnerrp: | there is a 'expecting reply' variable in the PlaybackSock |
| [07:42:53] | wagnerrp: | to prevent the callback from triggering a second thread from operating on an in-use socket |
| [07:43:02] | wagnerrp: | i moved that into MythSocket |
| [07:43:08] | wagnerrp: | but failed to set a default value |
| [07:43:22] | wagnerrp: | sometimes it was false, and worked properly, sometimes it was true and would not be processed |
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| [07:44:41] | wagnerrp: | hammering it with new connections does not seem to drop a beat |
| [07:44:47] | wagnerrp: | so at least that part of the branch works |
| [07:45:04] | wagnerrp: | with luck, the rewrite will silently take care of the other issues |
| [07:48:55] | Beirdo: | grrrr |
| [07:50:22] | wagnerrp: | ? |
| [07:51:00] | Beirdo: | oh nothing... I have the ffmpeg sync branch available for like 2 months, and I swear not a single person tried it |
| [07:51:34] | wagnerrp: | heh, wouldnt be surprised |
| [07:51:38] | Beirdo: | I merge it... and the things people could have found show up |
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| [07:53:17] | Beirdo: | anyways :) |
| [07:53:51] | wagnerrp: | whoops, seems bombing the server with new connections did break it |
| [07:54:29] | wagnerrp: | there was a lot of code in connectionClosed that i didnt feel like rewriting at the time |
| [07:54:39] | wagnerrp: | so i just commented out the whole lot, and forgot about it |
| [07:55:08] | wagnerrp: | so after a minute of 10 connections/sec, there are all these dead sockets filling the internal connection list |
| [07:55:22] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [07:55:25] | Beirdo: | oops |
| [07:56:19] | wagnerrp: | it connects fine, but it refuses to announce because it thinks the socket is already in use and announced |
| [07:56:31] | wagnerrp: | which... doesnt make sense because its a completely new object |
| [07:57:21] | wagnerrp: | i guess it goes off that funky numbering, rather than address location |
| [07:57:32] | Beirdo: | could be |
| [07:58:05] | Beirdo: | oh, I pushed the new-logging branch, BTW |
| [07:58:20] | Beirdo: | not quite done yet |
| [07:58:36] | Beirdo: | need to get logging into commflag, previewgen |
| [07:58:39] | wagnerrp: | this is going to be a royal PITA merging all these branches together |
| [07:58:47] | Beirdo: | not to worry |
| [07:59:45] | Beirdo: | it will likely be easier than you expext |
| [08:00:29] | Beirdo: | how far off are you from merging something? |
| [08:01:03] | wagnerrp: | id say a few weeks |
| [08:01:13] | Beirdo: | K |
| [08:01:18] | wagnerrp: | well... i dont know |
| [08:01:28] | wagnerrp: | i havent decided if i want to merge as it currently is |
| [08:01:31] | Beirdo: | it would be nice to have the commandline one :) |
| [08:01:41] | wagnerrp: | or if i want to get the whole schema update included |
| [08:02:09] | wagnerrp: | commandline one could really be merged with a couple hours of testing |
| [08:02:19] | wagnerrp: | but id like other people to look/opinionate it a bit |
| [08:02:28] | wagnerrp: | already got some reservations from danielk |
| [08:02:45] | Beirdo: | K |
| [08:02:54] | wagnerrp: | the biggest concern being type safety |
| [08:03:42] | wagnerrp: | so is this new logger NOT a giant mess of defines? |
| [08:04:07] | Beirdo: | it has a few defines, but most is done in the functions |
| [08:04:30] | Beirdo: | makes VERBOSE() a much much simpler macro |
| [08:04:35] | wagnerrp: | i dont mind a VERBOSE() macro |
| [08:04:46] | wagnerrp: | but the fact that all the bit operations were done within the macro |
| [08:04:52] | wagnerrp: | just horribly ugly to look at |
| [08:05:06] | Beirdo: | with only two versions... C++ and non-C++ |
| [08:05:31] | wagnerrp: | makes more sense to make something like that a global, or in gCoreContext |
| [08:05:34] | Beirdo: | which use two different versions of macros in mythlogging.h to get to a common function |
| [08:05:38] | wagnerrp: | and have the macro just point to a function |
| [08:05:52] | Beirdo: | yup |
| [08:06:06] | Beirdo: | it's quite a bit cleaner now |
| [08:06:12] | wagnerrp: | behavior is still the same? |
| [08:06:16] | Beirdo: | all the level checking is done in the function |
| [08:06:27] | Beirdo: | behavior in what way? |
| [08:06:37] | Beirdo: | it's totally async now |
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| [08:07:07] | Beirdo: | when you do a VERBOSE, it puts the whole message and associated data onto a queue |
| [08:07:08] | wagnerrp: | i mean the same VERBOSE calls still work as expected |
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| [08:07:39] | Beirdo: | which another thread outputs to all the outputs (console, debug log, syslog, soon database) |
| [08:07:42] | Beirdo: | yes |
| [08:07:46] | Beirdo: | mostly |
| [08:07:58] | Beirdo: | using << in VERBOSE is no longer supported |
| [08:08:06] | wagnerrp: | syslog... so no need for logger now |
| [08:08:11] | Beirdo: | nor doing QString, QString |
| [08:08:28] | Beirdo: | I converted EVERY fricking VERBOSE that didn't work |
| [08:08:34] | wagnerrp: | hehe |
| [08:08:48] | Beirdo: | correct, no need for logger :) |
| [08:09:08] | Beirdo: | I still need to add the command line option for which syslog facility to use |
| [08:09:22] | Beirdo: | or maybe we'll put that in the database settings |
| [08:09:22] | wagnerrp: | feel free to pull in my commandline stuff |
| [08:09:42] | Beirdo: | yeah, I'll take a look at what you've got |
| [08:10:03] | Beirdo: | if we can get it merged sometime soon, it would certainly make it easier :) |
| [08:10:08] | wagnerrp: | for now, the programs ive migrated over were pretty much blindly done |
| [08:10:35] | wagnerrp: | since everything is now stored in the parser object, theres not nearly as much need to carry around all the variables that the old method did |
| [08:10:50] | Beirdo: | the debug logs are so much nicer (IMHO anyways) now |
| [08:10:58] | wagnerrp: | since they can be used as needed, rather than populated all at once in a loop |
| [08:11:11] | Beirdo: | 2011-Apr-22 00:53:06.311578 [28578] Schedule scheduler.cpp:1863 (RunScheduler) – Scheduled 1849 items in 10.2 = 0.00 match + 10.21 place |
| [08:11:11] | MythLogBot: | No match for SVN revision 28578 |
| [08:11:20] | Beirdo: | shut it, bot |
| [08:11:43] | Beirdo: | shows the thread, the exact line of code, function... |
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| [08:12:14] | wagnerrp: | is that a special verbose level that adds the code line? |
| [08:12:15] | Beirdo: | and microsecond timing (if you have gettimeofday()) |
| [08:12:31] | Beirdo: | it will only spew all that to the -l logfile |
| [08:12:59] | wagnerrp: | ah |
| [08:13:04] | Beirdo: | which is the one we use for debugging issues, and it will help us significantly |
| [08:13:11] | Beirdo: | syslog looks like: |
| [08:13:34] | Beirdo: | Apr 22 00:53:06 mythbe mythbackend[28578]: Scheduled 1849 items in 10.2 = 0.00 match + 10.21 place |
| [08:13:53] | Beirdo: | and the console: |
| [08:13:54] | Beirdo: | 2011-Apr-22 00:53:06.311578 Scheduled 1849 items in 10.2 = 0.00 match + 10.21 place |
| [08:15:59] | Beirdo: | it (at this point) does not do the all stdout from children is logged |
| [08:16:20] | Beirdo: | but the children from mythtv will all have separate logs |
| [08:16:41] | Beirdo: | I just don't have it in commflag or previewgen (and maybe one or two others) yet |
| [08:17:16] | Beirdo: | figuring I started it Monday night (or was it Sunday night), I'm not too worried |
| [08:17:19] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [08:18:13] | Beirdo: | I also need to silence some of the thread registration/deregistration stuff |
| [08:18:57] | Beirdo: | 2011-Apr-22 00:52:47.376453 Thread 0x7FE9AC713710 registered as 'ImageLoad' |
| [08:19:00] | Beirdo: | 2011-Apr-22 00:52:47.471879 Thread 0x7FE9AC713710 deregistered as 'ImageLoad' |
| [08:19:12] | Beirdo: | gets a bit much with some of the QRunnable threadlets |
| [08:19:38] | Beirdo: | but having that allows any logging within that code to accurately state which thread it's in |
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| [08:20:40] | Beirdo: | I'm actually noticing a bit less of jitteriness at recording end, BTW |
| [08:20:52] | Beirdo: | on the frontend, that is (playback) |
| [08:21:11] | Beirdo: | I think that the sync logging made the situation worse |
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| [08:30:02] | Beirdo: | anyways, I gotta go to bed |
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| [15:10:13] | wagnerrp: | why would you have more than one crystalhd card per machine? |
| [15:14:38] | AndyCap: | could you in theory do transcoding or decoding for commflagging with it? :P |
| [15:15:27] | ** AndyCap still thinks crystalhd is the pvr-350 of the 2010's ** | |
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| [15:36:13] | NewBuntu81: | Hey guys. Would an NVIDIA GeForce 6200 with Open GL 2.0 , 512 MB DDR2 be decent for watching mythtv shows? Specifically I want use of the Svideo out. |
| [15:36:35] | wagnerrp: | do you intend to buy a 6200? |
| [15:36:46] | NewBuntu81: | I'm trying to find an 8400 GS with video out, looks like they only come in PCI which is fine. But they're few and far. |
| [15:37:15] | wagnerrp: | that would be... PCIe |
| [15:37:24] | NewBuntu81: | I'm just trying to find a decent card to cut some of the jitter by using the new card instead of the onboard card. |
| [15:37:34] | NewBuntu81: | http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_res . . . t_id=0308102 |
| [15:38:29] | NewBuntu81: | I want VGA and Svideo. Would be nice to find a card that has those PLUS HDMI but i doubt they make one, or i haven't found one yet. |
| [15:38:50] | NewBuntu81: | Also, I noticed that the 8400's have VDPAU--is that necessary? Does it make a huge difference? |
| [15:40:20] | wagnerrp: | http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_res . . . t_id=0355539 |
| [15:40:39] | wagnerrp: | much much cheaper |
| [15:40:54] | wagnerrp: | and you dont want a PCI video card |
| [15:41:42] | NewBuntu81: | Well see...i kind of have to have PCI. I only have one PCIe slot and my hvr 2250 takes it up. |
| [15:41:58] | NewBuntu81: | But might as well ask, what's wrong with PCI? :-) |
| [15:42:08] | wagnerrp: | lack of bandwidth |
| [15:42:55] | NewBuntu81: | ah...because it's PCI, and PCI is slower than PCIe? |
| [15:42:58] | wagnerrp: | the only way you would be able to play HD content on a PCI video card is if you used VDPAU, on VDPAU capable content |
| [15:43:25] | wagnerrp: | because PCI is only 133MB/s, total |
| [15:43:39] | wagnerrp: | and 1080i30 is considerably more bandwidth than that |
| [15:43:57] | NewBuntu81: | What about one of these--if I can find one (out of stock)? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?It . . . 51-_-Product |
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| [17:33:31] | sphery: | the whole idea of juries deciding whether companies violate patents is almost as ludicrous as some of the patents that are approved |
| [17:34:20] | sphery: | considering even the "experts" as the USPTO can't get it right, why should some random Joe Schmoe be able to? http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/04/21/texas . . . inux_patent/ |
| [17:42:01] | wagnerrp: | agreed |
| [17:42:29] | wagnerrp: | i read through the patent... seems like any 'map' type class |
| [17:43:48] | wagnerrp: | at most, it adds a garbage collector |
| [17:44:03] | wagnerrp: | which would put prior art in Qt (if its that old) or python (which is) |
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| [17:50:25] | wagnerrp: | so sphery, concern about the jobqueue changes |
| [17:50:41] | wagnerrp: | i had intended to make all configuration and communication occur over the backend protocol |
| [17:50:53] | wagnerrp: | which would mean command definition as well |
| [17:52:01] | wagnerrp: | before, command definition was done through the database, and required authentication through the database |
| [17:52:16] | wagnerrp: | if its over the backend proto, there is no authentication |
| [17:53:10] | wagnerrp: | now before, you could use the SET_SETTING options to manipulate things, but still at least needed the database to access the jobqueue table to run jobs |
| [17:53:30] | wagnerrp: | and i realize that nothing about mythtv is secure in any sense of the term |
| [17:53:38] | wagnerrp: | just wondering if that might be an issue |
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| [18:01:59] | sphery: | wagnerrp: heh, not an issue to me :) I'm sure some will complain, though |
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| [18:04:06] | wagnerrp: | personally, i would love to turn the SecurityPin into a full crypto hash, that has to be sent on each connection |
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| [18:04:28] | wagnerrp: | but im sure some would complain |
| [18:07:51] | sphery: | I kind of enjoy the fact that we make no assurances of security |
| [18:08:52] | sphery: | an expectation of no security actually encourages users to set up their networks properly and protect stuff--rather than them just blindly trusting (and, later, blaming) us |
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| [18:11:14] | iamlindoro: | I am waiting for someone to complain that the new API methods to modify, delete, etc. channels, videos, multiplexes make things hackable... it seems inevitable |
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| [18:12:06] | sphery: | heh, yeah |
| [18:15:21] | sphery: | So, again completely off topic, but I loved Portal, and Portal 2 sounds great, but since PC and PS3 are both on Steam and XB360 is left out in the cold, I won't be buying it on XBox. I need all console games to go to Steam--with a Steam option added to allow "transferring" platforms, so that when my XB360 RRoDs again, I can get working hardware without throwing away my entire investment in games. |
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| [18:18:00] | wagnerrp: | bit short, just like the first |
| [18:18:16] | wagnerrp: | but the 'additional content' is all multiplayer |
| [18:18:24] | wagnerrp: | no SP bonus maps like the first |
| [18:24:04] | sphery: | I heard it's about 8hrs instead of about 2 |
| [18:24:08] | Hoochster: | So do the Zotac ZBOX's still make a good HD Frontend? |
| [18:24:16] | Hoochster: | or is there something more preferred |
| [18:24:46] | sphery: | I'll have to recuse myself from answering, due to my heavy bias. |
| [18:25:18] | wagnerrp: | no, the ZBOX makes an adequate frontend, when all your content can be managed by VDPAU |
| [18:25:48] | wagnerrp: | i good frontend necessitates enough CPU power to handle any content you may want to decode in software |
| [18:26:28] | Hoochster: | thanks for the reply, well I will be using it for ATSC OTA and DVB, I have a 1st gen ION now and it works great for XBMC but for whatever reason I can't tweak it well enough for Myth and get lots of stutters and such |
| [18:26:33] | Hoochster: | so was looking to upgrade it |
| [18:26:55] | wagnerrp: | how much memory did you give it? |
| [18:27:15] | Hoochster: | am looking for an all in one box but it doesn't have to be by any means, my frontend in my office doesn't experience any issues but it is also an Athlon 4800+ |
| [18:27:19] | Hoochster: | the ion has 2g ram |
| [18:27:36] | wagnerrp: | did you make sure to allocate 512MB of memory to it? |
| [18:27:48] | Hoochster: | I haven't adjusted anything, you mean in the bios? |
| [18:27:55] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [18:28:03] | Hoochster: | hmm haven't done anything, never thought to |
| [18:28:07] | wagnerrp: | mythtv requires 512MB of video memory for VDPAU to work properly |
| [18:28:10] | Hoochster: | just allocate to the video mem ya |
| [18:28:20] | Hoochster: | will see if that is avail, thanks for the tip |
| [18:28:26] | wagnerrp: | and the ION must be run using VDPAU Normal or VDPAU Slim |
| [18:28:37] | wagnerrp: | it does not have the power for VDPAU High |
| [18:28:45] | Hoochster: | am still wanting to add another frontend to another room so still looking for another box, but hate to spend money on an asrock heh when other ion/ion2's work fine |
| [18:28:50] | Hoochster: | right I understand that |
| [18:28:56] | Hoochster: | thanks for the clarification though |
| [18:29:06] | Hoochster: | will check the vid memory now |
| [18:29:17] | wagnerrp: | you might want to look into a mini-itx i3 |
| [18:29:24] | Hoochster: | k |
| [18:29:51] | Hoochster: | do those still have ion for video or using intel? |
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| [18:30:31] | wagnerrp: | the intel integrated |
| [18:30:39] | Hoochster: | and that handles HD no problem? |
| [18:30:52] | sphery: | heh, the point is that it doesn't have to :) |
| [18:30:57] | Hoochster: | understood |
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| [18:31:00] | wagnerrp: | no hardware acceleration, but the i3 will be plenty, and the GMAHD graphics has about the same opengl performance as the original ION |
| [18:31:12] | Hoochster: | ok cool will look those up right now |
| [18:31:17] | sphery: | i.e. you have a sufficiently useful CPU, so you don't need to rely on "whatever un-modifiable hardware/driver solution nvidia gives you" |
| [18:31:32] | Hoochster: | understood |
| [18:31:32] | sphery: | that said, an ideal system would be a useful CPU + VDPAU |
| [18:31:48] | Hoochster: | right which is basically what I run in my office |
| [18:32:05] | sphery: | just getting harder, now, to do that without discrete video cards since nvidia is out of the x86 chipset business |
| [18:32:10] | Hoochster: | I used to have a frontend in the living room that was a regular cpu but went through a craze to save energy and switched tot he atom heh |
| [18:32:12] | sphery: | so no more integrated (new) nvidia stuff |
| [18:32:26] | wagnerrp: | the only real way to come by it these days is a mobile system |
| [18:32:37] | Hoochster: | but now more interested in stable video since I am forcing my wife and fam to use myth all the time heh |
| [18:32:43] | sphery: | FWIW: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/25w-performance-pc,2551.html |
| [18:33:01] | sphery: | they prove that a real CPU can run at 25W vs atom's 30–40W |
| [18:33:08] | Hoochster: | cool thanks |
| [18:33:10] | sphery: | run = idle |
| [18:33:17] | sphery: | and that's an /old/ article |
| [18:33:35] | wagnerrp: | like a year old now? |
| [18:33:39] | Hoochster: | heh |
| [18:33:51] | sphery: | 14 months |
| [18:34:01] | sphery: | that's forever in the PC biz :) |
| [18:34:05] | wagnerrp: | although the sandybridge stuff is still on the same process, and not likely to be significantly lesser power |
| [18:34:30] | Hoochster: | well for the replacement system will def see what I can build up on an i3/i5, and see if I can't make this older ion work for the other room for the kids |
| [18:34:34] | sphery: | yeah--its numbers didn't look all that great to me |
| [18:34:47] | iamlindoro: | sphery: yeah, 14 months ago they didn't even know about our jetpacks, or the coming alien invasion |
| [18:35:05] | Hoochster: | I also am using PVR150's which I know are outdated, and get static on my cable channels occasionally, is that fault of the older cards or is it still using the wrong cable type? I have tried a few diff ones |
| [18:35:14] | wagnerrp: | sphery: the sandybridge stuff might actually be interesting if we had access to their encoding engine |
| [18:35:15] | sphery: | well, actually, /they/ knew about the alien invasion, but the government hadn't told the people, yet |
| [18:35:16] | Hoochster: | whatup iamlindoro long time |
| [18:35:36] | wagnerrp: | would actually make transcoding worthwhile again |
| [18:36:04] | sphery: | static on PVR-150's is most likely a signal issue |
| [18:36:11] | Hoochster: | hmm k |
| [18:36:24] | Hoochster: | works fine straight to tv but some channels get static through the pvr |
| [18:36:31] | Hoochster: | but might just need to boost it |
| [18:36:40] | wagnerrp: | the PVRs didnt have very robust tuners |
| [18:36:45] | Hoochster: | right |
| [18:36:50] | sphery: | yeah, you need pretty clean signals |
| [18:36:52] | wagnerrp: | too much or too little signal power and you got noise |
| [18:36:57] | sphery: | which means proper splitting and amplification |
| [18:37:01] | Hoochster: | k |
| [18:37:50] | Hoochster: | I record all the kids stuff on cable and leave the atsc and such for wife and I's recordings heh, and notice theirs has some static at times didn't know for sure what it was, figured if it was the wrong cable modulation or whatever that I wouldn't get crap so must be weak signal/tuners |
| [18:38:42] | sphery: | wagnerrp: btw, I still haven't seen your MythTV PC System Design pages on the wiki, yet |
| [18:39:40] | wagnerrp: | well... i would want to actually build one before putting one up |
| [18:39:47] | sphery: | You know, the one you're going to do with "The *perfect* low-power-usage, small, pretty frontend", "The *perfect* low-power-usage, high-performance frontend", ... |
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| [18:40:00] | ** iamlindoro reloads ** | |
| [18:40:07] | wagnerrp: | perfect? that sounds like dustybin speak |
| [18:40:14] | wagnerrp: | or whatever his new name is |
| [18:40:27] | sphery: | and a nice chart where you can follow your desired price on one axis to see your options |
| [18:40:48] | sphery: | hmmm... Seems at $100, I don't have any options. Useless page. |
| [18:41:04] | sphery: | I should be able to get a frontend for $25 or less. It's just a frontend. |
| [18:41:11] | wagnerrp: | that would be.... popcorn hour or wdtv running upnp |
| [18:41:16] | sphery: | heh |
| [18:44:42] | ** iamlindoro demands a clarification that that's a joke ** | |
| [18:44:52] | iamlindoro: | lest people think a stupid uPnP player is an actual frontend |
| [18:44:55] | sphery: | definitely doesn't fit the "perfect" qualifier |
| [18:45:29] | sphery: | nor the "frontend" definition |
| [18:46:28] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: but they run linux, doesnt mythtv run on linux? |
| [18:46:51] | iamlindoro: | haha |
| [18:50:31] | kormoc: | so... I can use my linksys openwrt router as a frontend? SWEETNESS! |
| [18:51:14] | wagnerrp: | capable of playing all your glorious QCIF resolution torrents |
| [18:59:07] | weta is now known as Freeseer|Andrew | |
| [18:59:37] | iamlindoro: | Heh, just noticed that the iOS remote guy has a bunch of watermarks all over his mockup images |
| [18:59:43] | iamlindoro: | and yet he's used a bunch of myth theme images to build them |
| [19:00:04] | iamlindoro: | specifically, icons from various themes' PBB |
| [19:00:34] | iamlindoro: | Don't steal this stuff I stole! |
| [19:02:52] | iamlindoro: | ah, HAH, and he's the "free me from the tyranny of MythVideo with this giant bash script" guy |
| [19:03:28] | wagnerrp: | that he is |
| [19:04:01] | Hoochster: | if you get a wiki on current recommended frontends I will read it lol |
| [19:04:17] | Hoochster: | my memory was already at 512 but I went ahead and reset settings and changed it again and will see how things act heh |
| [19:04:44] | wagnerrp: | the problem is that the wiki is open, and would get flooded by /bad/ suggestions |
| [19:04:50] | Hoochster: | ya I know |
| [19:04:51] | Hoochster: | heh |
| [19:04:57] | Hoochster: | problem with wikis |
| [19:04:59] | wagnerrp: | might need to be protected |
| [19:05:14] | Hoochster: | well I am game to read anything lots of stuff is outdated on what I looked for earlier heh |
| [19:06:39] | kormoc is now known as kormoc_afk | |
| [19:07:48] | Hoochster: | time to take the chitlins on an easter egg hunt bbl |
| [19:08:10] | kormoc_afk is now known as kormoc | |
| [19:08:22] | kormoc: | iamlindoro, Aye. I like how he's the idea man and looking for debs |
| [19:08:24] | kormoc: | *devs |
| [19:08:39] | iamlindoro: | kormoc: Surely bash is an acceptable language for the app store? |
| [19:08:48] | kormoc: | Indeed |
| [19:08:54] | iamlindoro: | I think the elephant in the room is whether he intends the app to be free |
| [19:08:58] | kormoc: | it's so Apple (tm)(r) |
| [19:09:01] | kormoc: | I doubt that |
| [19:09:18] | kormoc: | he's doing all the work after all... herding cats |
| [19:09:46] | iamlindoro: | heh |
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| [19:11:15] | ** wagnerrp wants to move to an embedded database just to make things easier on all those bash users ** | |
| [19:11:46] | sphery: | I thought putting GPL on the iTunes store--because of the restriction iTunes places on usage--was a violation of GPL |
| [19:13:09] | sphery: | wagnerrp: heh, then we'll see bash scripts that kill the master backend, start mysqld with the datadir pointed at mythtv data file directory, then use bash to call mysql and redirect its output to a file, then shut down mysqld and restart the master backend |
| [19:13:17] | iamlindoro: | I wonder if there's any value to putting in an API to parse the Blu-ray in the drive and return the title info, icons, etc. |
| [19:13:27] | sphery: | "I figured out how to work around this stupid limitation the devs tried to put on me." |
| [19:14:23] | kormoc: | sphery, meh. You could link to the source in the app itself I'd imagine |
| [19:14:40] | kormoc: | sphery, it's getting the rights to dual license it that's the hard part |
| [19:14:47] | kormoc: | especially with a big project (vlc) |
| [19:15:25] | iamlindoro: | There's a lot of ffmpeg-derived stuff on the app store |
| [19:15:27] | sphery: | I mean the restrictions about how you can use it--like must distribute via itunes and can't place on multiple devices without itunes and such |
| [19:15:35] | iamlindoro: | though much of that is LGPL if that makes any difference |
| [19:15:36] | sphery: | or was that just some article making a mountain out of nothing |
| [19:16:17] | sphery: | basically this stuff: http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2010/05/fsf . . . with-gpl.ars |
| [19:16:58] | sphery: | guess I should go straight to the horse's mouth: http://www.fsf.org/news/2010-05-app-store-compliance/ |
| [19:17:10] | Freeseer|Andrew is now known as weta | |
| [19:17:49] | iamlindoro: | At times I feel that the FSF does more harm than good |
| [19:18:03] | sphery: | heh, and Apple just removed GNU Go, rather than modify ToS, so now we have a way to get any GPL-licensed app removed from iTunes |
| [19:18:18] | sphery: | yeah--that would be the harm |
| [19:18:20] | iamlindoro: | ie, they pick fights when they know full well that their actions will result in the individuals being harmed, not the corporations of the FSF |
| [19:18:31] | iamlindoro: | er corporations or |
| [19:19:35] | sphery: | really, though, Apples approach is going to cause some huge problems in the future, so getting it to be more reasonable would be a very good thing |
| [19:19:39] | kormoc: | sphery, sure, but you could dual license the code (if it's yours) and do a apple license for iTunes and GPL for your website/what not |
| [19:20:10] | sphery: | yeah, that's true--but it's getting harder and harder to write code that's all yours |
| [19:20:19] | sphery: | unless you're a company with an Apple-sized budget |
| [19:20:36] | sphery: | with all the libs and such that we depend on these days |
| [19:21:49] | wagnerrp: | greenpeace claims internet emits too much co2 |
| [19:22:06] | wagnerrp: | in other news, hackers take the greenpeace website offline, in efforts to reduce carbon emissions |
| [19:22:15] | sphery: | heh |
| [19:23:03] | sphery: | the best part of greenpeace is all the former leaders who have distanced themselves from it, and are now lobbying for realistic (and useful) energy policy changes--like more use of nuclear |
| [19:23:20] | iamlindoro: | But... but... Mothra! |
| [19:23:50] | sphery: | they even had one of those guys--who spent the '60s protesting against nuclear plants--on a Nova episode, and he said, "Even in light of the Fukushima disaster, nuclear makes a lot of sense, now." |
| [19:24:25] | sphery: | IMHO, Fusushima is a reason why we need to go to nuclear |
| [19:25:09] | wagnerrp: | Fusushima is a reason why we need to go nuclear with reactor designs (and reactors) less than 50 years old |
| [19:25:45] | kormoc: | Fusushima is also why we need to not have our emergency generators at sealevel |
| [19:26:13] | wagnerrp: | in areas prone to earthquakes AND tsunamis |
| [19:26:19] | sphery: | the fact that a nearly 40-yr-old plant (which a much more dangerous design than modern designs) came through an earthquake 5x stronger than it was designed and a tsunami more than 2x as high as its anti-tsunami walls without any deaths or any real radiological consequences just means that it's /extremely/ safe |
| [19:26:56] | sphery: | only real consequences were destruction of a couple almost-at-the-end-of-lifecycle reactors |
| [19:27:10] | sphery: | oh, and way too much media panic about nothing |
| [19:27:38] | wagnerrp: | panic makes good ratings |
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| [19:28:50] | sphery: | actually, probably the worst consequence (assuming people don't poison themselves taking iodine pills) is the fact that they forced people within 20km of Daichi to wander around after an earthquake/tsunami homeless with the forced evacuation the Japanese government was pressured into issuing thanks to the IE(CY)A |
| [19:28:56] | sphery: | er, IAE(CY)A |
| [19:30:07] | sphery: | but, hey, those people who are wandering the streets with nowhere to go will save themselves the equivalent of the radiation dose they'd receive from a weekend ski trip--unless, of course, they evacuate to a ski resort |
| [19:35:46] | Shadow__X: | i personally had my eyes opened to how much radiation we get naturally from the xkcd comic |
| [19:36:45] | Shadow__X: | i also did not know much about it to begin with |
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| [19:49:20] | sphery: | Yeah, and the claims in the media aren't backed up with comparisons to anything useful... Just things like, "100x above background" |
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| [19:50:26] | wagnerrp: | of course, thats background at sea level |
| [19:51:11] | sphery: | right |
| [19:51:27] | sphery: | which is why you don't want to do the weekend at a ski resort |
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| [19:54:04] | jpabq: | git may be powerful, but I am finding it very unintuitive. |
| [19:55:01] | sphery: | we prefer to think of it as "outtuitive" |
| [19:55:22] | sphery: | you tuit out of the man pages and books and internet references |
| [19:55:51] | sphery: | and lots of them for each thing we need to tuit |
| [19:56:21] | sphery: | jpabq: do you have any specific questions? |
| [19:58:43] | jpabq: | I have created a local branch, and "commited" some new files. I would like to be able to easily see a diff of what I have committed compared to what I started with. git diff <hash> <hash> works, but it would be nice if there was an easier way. |
| [19:59:29] | sphery: | git diff origin/master HEAD |
| [19:59:31] | sphery: | perhaps? |
| [20:00:36] | sphery: | I think that comapres what was in github's master at the revision you're working with your current committed changes in your local repo |
| [20:00:54] | sphery: | (don't think it's top of tree in github master) |
| [20:01:25] | jpabq: | That looks like it might work, if I had not done a "git checkout" to start things off. I decided to avoid the ffmpeg merge for the moment, since this is my production machine I am playing with. |
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| [20:08:26] | sphery: | ah, yeah, if you go more than toe-deep into git, I'm not the guy to help. I'll leave you for someone who knows it better than I. |
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| [20:14:32] | jpabq: | If I do a "git add <new file>", and then do a "git diff", the new file does not show up in the diff. Is there a way to get the new file to show up without doing a commit first? |
| [20:14:42] | iamlindoro: | git diff HEAD . |
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| [20:15:29] | jpabq: | iamlindoro, thanks |
| [20:15:33] | iamlindoro: | np |
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| [20:24:05] | Chicago: | I haven't been able to get mytharchive to work right recently... :( It basically has cut-point problems and the DVD stops after the first commercial or so. |
| [20:24:33] | Chicago: | kinda am hoping this rings a bell and someone has seen this behavior before. I did a re-install of a fresh database to check it all out and try again; same issue. :( |
| [20:25:40] | sphery: | http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/9389 |
| [20:25:57] | jpabq: | iamlindoro, do you happen to know why my mythfrontend log gets flooded with "Failed to create OpenGL texture"? It is a mythui problem, not a playback one. |
| [20:26:22] | iamlindoro: | jpabq: I don't, though Mark probably would... Intel GPU? |
| [20:26:29] | jpabq: | nvidia |
| [20:26:41] | jpabq: | I will ask mark when he is around. |
| [20:26:47] | sphery: | jpabq: pretty sure the vdpau painter was just removed |
| [20:26:55] | sphery: | are you overriding mythtv's painter selection? |
| [20:27:11] | jpabq: | Maybe. I have not messed with those settings in a very long time. |
| [20:27:18] | iamlindoro: | sphery: Where do you see VDPAU? |
| [20:27:19] | sphery: | there's a new setting for it |
| [20:27:25] | sphery: | oooh |
| [20:27:29] | sphery: | I can't reading |
| [20:27:34] | sphery: | or write, it seems |
| [20:27:37] | sphery: | nvm |
| [20:27:37] | iamlindoro: | or writing |
| [20:27:46] | sphery: | heh |
| [20:27:55] | sphery: | doing too many other things |
| [20:27:57] | sphery: | need to step away |
| [20:28:47] | Chicago: | sphery, thanks. I shall wait on Paul. :) |
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| [20:34:48] | jpabq: | I don't see where in the settings to set the painter, so I just changed the settings table to have "qt" instead of "opengl", and restarted the frontend. Unfortunately, that did not fix it. |
| [20:36:20] | wagnerrp: | i didnt think the user had control over the painter any longer |
| [20:36:29] | iamlindoro: | override only |
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| [21:15:23] | roger__: | I have a mythtv backend using mythbuntu, with a serial IR sender. can't get it to work. When I do irsend it doesn't give any error though. Just doesn't change the channel on the satellite box. |
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| [21:16:55] | roger__: | any ideas how to troubleshoot? |
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| [21:21:22] | roger__: | anyone? it used to work. I re-installed |
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| [21:25:08] | roger__: | irsend -d /dev/lircd send_once hrmc-8 1 |
| [21:25:22] | roger__: | doesn't do anything and I can't find any error? |
| [21:25:33] | roger__: | and the channel doesn't change |
| [21:31:38] | wagnerrp: | wooh! lightning strike a quarter mile away |
| [21:31:42] | wagnerrp: | that was a nice power spike |
| [21:36:52] | roger__: | do you have a way to measure it? |
| [21:39:13] | wagnerrp: | yeah, with the bright flash of light coming from any incandescent bulb |
| [21:42:42] | sphery: | jpabq: yeah, ignore my painter comment... we no longer have a setting for painter--it's auto-detected. You can force a different painter if you need to, but it's a new name (so we don't keep using the old value of the old setting). http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . 72172#472172 |
| [21:43:23] | sphery: | I for some reason misread what you were saying and thought it was failing to create vdpau textures or something |
| [21:43:32] | sphery: | I don't know why I saw vdpau, though |
| [21:45:20] | roger__: | My UPS normally beeps when we're having stormy weather |
| [21:45:20] | jpabq: | I wonder if opengl libs are not installed properly. I am using binary nvidia installed automatically from rpmfusion... |
| [21:45:33] | wagnerrp: | there is that, my UPS faulted over to battery |
| [21:48:11] | sphery: | jpabq: that could well be--I've heard of installs failing sometimes with packages |
| [21:48:22] | sphery: | maybe uninstall then reinstall the package? |
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| [21:48:38] | jpabq: | Yeah. I'll give that a try. Thanks. |
| [21:49:55] | sphery: | good luck |
| [21:58:43] | roger__: | anyone know if there is a lirc channel? |
| [22:00:24] | roger__: | haha, lirc is an irc client |
| [22:02:50] | roger__: | ok, so I change the irq in the bios for the serial port and lirc starts giving errors. I change it back and no errors, so I'm using the correct IRQ? |
| [22:03:25] | roger__: | Everything I know of seems to work except that the channel doesn't change. |
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| [22:06:38] | sphery: | roger__: are you sure you have a) chosen the right LIRC codes (/etc/lircd.conf) and b) have a transmitter that's capable of sending codes in the right protocol for the receiver? |
| [22:06:57] | roger__: | b: yes, it worked on a previous installation... |
| [22:07:08] | sphery: | ah, ok |
| [22:07:18] | sphery: | using the same lirc config file? |
| [22:07:19] | roger__: | a) I think so. I'm pretty sure this is the same hrmc-8 code |
| [22:08:00] | sphery: | hmmm... I know that when I was setting mine up, it was very finicky, took forever to get working right, and when I finally did, I had no idea which change made it finally work |
| [22:08:13] | sphery: | did a lot of what you're seeing up until it started working |
| [22:09:09] | roger__: | Seems like last time I set it up it worked without too much trouble, and I'm thinking I probably stumbled on the correct setup through dumb luck... since I can't get it now. |
| [22:09:27] | roger__: | Wish it gave a useful error |
| [22:09:55] | roger__: | Maybe I need to break out the digital camera and watch the IR sender through it to see if it flickers |
| [22:10:05] | sphery: | have you tried using a digital video camera to see if it's lighting up? |
| [22:10:11] | roger__: | haha, good idea |
| [22:10:12] | sphery: | heh |
| [22:10:17] | sphery: | yeah, yours too :) |
| [22:10:56] | roger__: | I haven't yet. It's a headless server, maybe I can get the wife to watch while I send a lirc command via the VNC connection from my office |
| [22:11:23] | roger__: | whilst we communicate via cell phones. |
| [22:11:25] | roger__: | lol |
| [22:12:02] | roger__: | but if that worked, what would that tell me? that it's working but I've got the wrong codes? |
| [22:18:10] | roger__: | alrighty, well we looked at a regular remote control through a camera, and it flashed. Then we looked at the ir sender and I sent the codes using |
| [22:18:21] | roger__: | irsend and it didn't flash |
| [22:18:44] | roger__: | so, looks like it's not transmitting anything at all |
| [22:20:57] | roger__: | but still no errors, but I don't really know where to look. /var/log/something I'm guessing |
| [22:21:56] | roger__: | syslog shows accepted new client and removed client, every time I do a irsend |
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| [22:55:00] | sphery: | wagnerrp: OK, Community does clip shows right. A bunch of clips that were never actually in the show (nor related to the previous episode stories). |
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| [23:18:45] | kormoc: | Community++ |
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