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| [04:18:38] | jxself: | I recorded something last night (my timezone.) When I got up I deleted the commercials, using lossless transcoding. The job appears to be stuck at 79.7%. It hasn't changed all day. How can I safely stop this? I've gone to Media Library -> Watch Recordings -> Selected the recording -> Pressed "M" -> Went to Job Options and selected stop transcoding bu t the job is still running. Then I tried Information Center -> System Status -> Job Queue-> |
| [04:19:11] | wagnerrp: | the jobqueue cannot really terminate jobs |
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| [04:19:41] | wagnerrp: | all that option does is set a flag in the database, and hope the job is periodically checking the database for changes |
| [04:19:43] | sphery: | jxself: now you can kill the job using system tool (i.e. kill) |
| [04:19:59] | wagnerrp: | if mythtranscode has deadlocked, it will not self-terminate |
| [04:21:16] | jxself: | OK. I killed it. Thanks. :) |
| [04:21:35] | wagnerrp: | you will be stuck with a tmp file |
| [04:21:51] | jxself: | MythWeb reports exit status 143. |
| [04:22:16] | jxself: | Where's the tmp file? I'll go delete it. |
| [04:22:38] | wagnerrp: | right next to the recording, with a .tmp extension |
| [04:22:56] | jxself: | OIK. |
| [04:22:59] | jxself: | er; OK. |
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| [04:27:07] | achromat: | Anyone know why it takes so long to update the video database? |
| [04:27:24] | wagnerrp: | how long is so long? |
| [04:27:50] | achromat: | 30mins and its at 25% |
| [04:28:00] | wagnerrp: | first time scanning? |
| [04:28:17] | achromat: | Yeah. |
| [04:28:25] | wagnerrp: | with tens of thousands of files? |
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| [04:29:00] | achromat: | I accidentally scanned for changes with the drive unhooked. |
| [04:29:23] | achromat: | So the db emptied. |
| [04:29:31] | wagnerrp: | mythtv needs to hash each new file |
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| [04:29:49] | wagnerrp: | the hash consists of the filesize, and 64KB at the beginning and end |
| [04:30:02] | achromat: | Hmm. Makes sense. |
| [04:30:10] | wagnerrp: | so while it doesnt have to read the whole file, it still must at least open the file |
| [04:30:15] | wagnerrp: | and that takes some amount of time |
| [04:30:37] | achromat: | Doesn't it save a backup of the db? |
| [04:30:43] | wagnerrp: | perhaps a hundred milliseconds per file |
| [04:31:04] | wagnerrp: | no, mythvideo is not designed to handle transient files |
| [04:31:10] | sphery: | unless, of course, the file is 128kiB or smaller--then it reads the whole file, or maybe more :) |
| [04:31:27] | wagnerrp: | correct |
| [04:31:45] | wagnerrp: | but... for tens of thousands of videos, an hour or more is understandable |
| [04:32:04] | wagnerrp: | if you have less than that, then you have issues with your filesystem |
| [04:32:06] | sphery: | yeah, and 128kiB video files are mostly useless |
| [04:32:28] | sphery: | so chances are it's not reading nearly the whole file |
| [04:32:30] | wagnerrp: | are these videos mounted over a CIFS share? |
| [04:32:42] | achromat: | Yes. |
| [04:33:00] | sphery: | (in other words, ignore me--I'm just playing with ifs) |
| [04:33:31] | achromat: | Yeah, like I said, I made the mistake of unhooking a hot swapable media drive and then scanning for updates. So the DB was all set for quite a while. Then it scanned and found zero files. |
| [04:33:39] | wagnerrp: | are these videos stored on your master backend, and youre saying you have them shared to your frontend over CIFS? |
| [04:33:56] | achromat: | Shared on the backend. |
| [04:34:09] | wagnerrp: | are you using storage groups? |
| [04:34:36] | achromat: | I don't believe so. I never set them up anyway. |
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| [04:35:11] | wagnerrp: | then stop the scan, go into mythtv-setup (on your backend), and specify the folder as a Videos folder |
| [04:35:24] | wagnerrp: | unmount cifs on the frontend |
| [04:35:36] | wagnerrp: | and let the scan be passed through over mythproto |
| [04:35:44] | wagnerrp: | rather than performed directly by the backend over cifs |
| [04:35:55] | achromat: | I know it will work just fine when it is done scanning. My only thought was that if it scans and finds zero files does it really purge the DB? |
| [04:36:08] | wagnerrp: | yes, it purges the database |
| [04:36:17] | achromat: | Bummer. |
| [04:37:03] | achromat: | I think I did set up the videos folder like that. |
| [04:37:28] | achromat: | I set it up on the backend in the setup option where you separate them with a : |
| [04:37:51] | wagnerrp: | no, there is nowhere in the backend configuration that takes folders divided by a colon |
| [04:38:02] | wagnerrp: | in mythtv-setup, you can directly specify multiple directories |
| [04:38:14] | wagnerrp: | the field that takes a colon is the frontend file access |
| [04:38:24] | achromat: | Yeah, I know the page you're talking about. |
| [04:38:26] | wagnerrp: | which has been deprecated by storage groups since 0.22 |
| [04:38:55] | achromat: | That's just me being lazy. |
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| [04:40:03] | achromat: | I have 1 folder with many sub-directories that have videos so I just type the top folder in that line. (Forgetting the name of that option at the moment) |
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| [04:40:34] | achromat: | I thought to myself, "set up share groups or type in 1 directory path like I have been in the past" |
| [04:40:43] | wagnerrp: | regardless, local file access is planned for removal |
| [04:40:52] | wagnerrp: | so at some point, youre going to be required to switch |
| [04:41:02] | wagnerrp: | at which point will require a rescan of all content |
| [04:41:16] | achromat: | Gotcha. I'm updating it now. |
| [04:41:18] | wagnerrp: | now that hash will allow the metadata to be matched up so it is not lost |
| [04:41:28] | wagnerrp: | but it just means you'll have to scan twice |
| [04:46:27] | achromat: | Does the backend need write permissions to the disk? |
| [04:48:20] | wagnerrp: | of course |
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| [05:11:46] | jstenback: | is it supposed to be possible to record from a slave backend to a directory on the master backend using storage groups, w/o nfs (or whatever) mounting the directory on the slave backend? |
| [05:12:18] | wagnerrp: | no, recordings require direct file access |
| [05:12:30] | jstenback: | ok |
| [05:12:38] | jstenback: | how about commflagging? |
| [05:12:53] | jstenback: | on a slave? |
| [05:14:05] | wagnerrp: | commflaggin? yes... transcoding? no |
| [05:17:14] | jstenback: | ok, thanks |
| [05:17:29] | jstenback: | so I have a slave that I use for nothing other than commflagging |
| [05:18:03] | wagnerrp: | then you dont have a slave backend |
| [05:18:05] | wagnerrp: | you have a jobqueue |
| [05:18:16] | wagnerrp: | and as such, you should be running mythjobqueue rather than mythbackend |
| [05:18:40] | jstenback: | hmm, never heard of that |
| [05:18:41] | jstenback: | ok |
| [05:18:50] | wagnerrp: | been around since... 0.21? |
| [05:18:55] | jstenback: | heh |
| [05:19:32] | jstenback: | so s/mythbackend/mythjobqueue/ and all else is the same? |
| [05:20:23] | ** jstenback tries that ** | |
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| [05:27:40] | jstenback: | *seems* to work |
| [05:27:49] | jstenback: | wagnerrp: thanks! |
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| [05:52:25] | achromat_: | wagnerrp: you still around? |
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| [06:14:08] | [R]: | the excuses these girls give on 16 and pregnant are ridiculous |
| [06:15:10] | ** wagnerrp wonders if he needs to voice his opinion on that topic yet again... ** | |
| [06:15:17] | wagnerrp: | achromat_: what did you need? |
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| [06:17:22] | [R]: | lol |
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| [06:19:55] | deegan: | I have a bit of an annoying thing going on with mythfrontend. I got some scripts set up to jump between xbmc and mythtv, and i think prior to "some patch" in 0.24 i could kill the process without mythtv going "Mythfrontend unexpectedly crashed" and restarting itself. |
| [06:21:28] | achromat_: | I figured it out wagnerrp. Thanks for the help by the way. |
| [06:21:28] | sphery: | heh, mythjobqueue has been around since 2004 (at least 0.18) |
| [06:23:21] | wagnerrp: | mythfrontend does not automatically restart itself |
| [06:23:27] | wagnerrp: | it has no such capability |
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| [06:24:23] | achromat_: | The only thing I'm worried about is that I have some .iso's that might not play from a storage group. |
| [06:24:43] | wagnerrp: | unencrypted ISOs will play from storage groups just fine |
| [06:24:51] | wagnerrp: | encrypted ones... not so much |
| [06:25:02] | wagnerrp: | so that means ones made with 'dd' wont do it |
| [06:25:25] | wagnerrp: | youve got to use a real ripping tool that decrypts and then generates a new ISO |
| [06:25:41] | deegan: | wagnerrp: so it's not related, good to know. then i can continue looking. :) |
| [06:26:01] | achromat_: | Mine should be okay, but I have a few that I did not rip myself. |
| [06:26:19] | achromat_: | So I have no clue what tool was used to rip them. |
| [06:26:38] | wagnerrp: | deegan: the only thing that could cause that behavior would be some third party program managing the operation of mythfrontend |
| [06:26:47] | wagnerrp: | if you are using mythbuntu, they have wrapper scripts to do that |
| [06:26:58] | wagnerrp: | achromat_: we cant help you with such files |
| [06:27:09] | deegan: | not mythbuntu but ubuntu, i'm not surprised and should have thought of that earlier tbh. |
| [06:27:26] | wagnerrp: | deegan: mythbuntu provides the mythtv packages for ubuntu |
| [06:27:44] | deegan: | wagnerrp: well there i go, that explains it. thanks. :) |
| [06:27:52] | wagnerrp: | if you are using the official ubuntu mythtv packages, it will have all the same wrapper scripts as mythbuntu |
| [06:29:38] | achromat_: | Oh, no I wasn't asking for help with the files, but I'm curious if there is a plan to allow the playback of encrypted iso's in a future release. |
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| [06:30:11] | justinh: | achromat_: unlikely, considering the host country of the project |
| [06:31:06] | achromat_: | Currently, I can just play encrypted .iso's through the deprecated front-end folder system. But you said that is planned to be removed. |
| [06:31:38] | justinh: | just er.. decrypt em with whatever tools you can lay your hands on. Simples |
| [06:32:07] | justinh: | leaving that up to users removes a large burden from the project, legality-wise |
| [06:32:32] | achromat_: | Good point. |
| [06:32:48] | sphery: | heh, gotta love the graphics they come up with for TV shows... http://imagebin.org/149413 Note the official USB logo, for this USB-IF approved app. |
| [06:34:00] | wagnerrp: | so what version of IP is the address 10.555.0443? |
| [06:34:30] | wagnerrp: | why does malware have to have a fancy interface? |
| [06:34:46] | justinh: | sphery: is that a Sony USB stick ? ;-) |
| [06:34:55] | sphery: | heh, must be |
| [06:35:29] | justinh: | I feel sorry for the programmers who have to make this kind of stuff |
| [06:35:38] | achromat_: | Hahah. |
| [06:35:48] | sphery: | and of course, the nice, 36-pt header on the window makes it so easy to hide what you're really doing |
| [06:36:06] | sphery: | Oh, don't worry, as you can see, I'm just installing some malware on this computer. |
| [06:36:26] | justinh: | CSI:AntivirusSquad ? |
| [06:36:38] | sphery: | this was from Nikita |
| [06:36:42] | justinh: | quick! Open a socket! |
| [06:37:20] | wagnerrp: | nikita is still on the air? |
| [06:37:28] | achromat_: | The remake? |
| [06:37:36] | wagnerrp: | i missed a couple episodes, and stopped recording |
| [06:37:37] | justinh: | grrr, why isn't all cover art / posters the same size?! |
| [06:37:46] | sphery: | or the quote from CSI: Miami Antivirus Squad: "I think he's just been pkilled." |
| [06:38:00] | sphery: | as he takes off his sunglasses |
| [06:38:17] | justinh: | whatever you do, don't ever read Dan Brown's book 'Digital Fortress'. Oh boy |
| [06:38:45] | sphery: | heh, that sounds like the kind of book to read because of the warning |
| [06:39:00] | justinh: | my wife keeps buying me his books. doesn't seem to matter one iota how many times I deride his work |
| [06:39:26] | sphery: | heh |
| [06:39:40] | justinh: | pacy, but utter *trash* |
| [06:39:50] | sphery: | I actually read all the books by a certain author, even though I do so specifically to find fault with them. |
| [06:39:56] | justinh: | heheh |
| [06:40:07] | sphery: | (They're my guilty-pleasure "conspiracy theory" books.) |
| [06:40:31] | justinh: | been reading a lot recently. Got through 2 this week :-) I do a lot of skipping, mind |
| [06:40:43] | sphery: | wow... train time or something? |
| [06:41:01] | justinh: | no, mostly insomnia in the shape of a coughing baby in the next room |
| [06:41:10] | sphery: | ahhh, that works, too |
| [06:41:22] | justinh: | it's clearing up now, thankfully |
| [06:41:29] | sphery: | was going to ask if they're print or e-books |
| [06:41:49] | sphery: | glad he's getting better |
| [06:41:49] | justinh: | I tried e-books on my phone. I don't think I'll be making a habit of it |
| [06:42:05] | wagnerrp: | mmm... no one does David Caruso like Bruce Campbell |
| [06:42:40] | justinh: | sphery: aye, nothing can make you lose sleep like a sick baby – regardless of any noise they make late at night ;) |
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| [06:44:30] | sphery: | wagnerrp: heh, I hadn't seen that clip |
| [06:44:49] | justinh: | he's pretty much back to normal now, behaviour wise. Was a bit inert at the start of the week, which was good in a way cos we got a rest from stopping him bumping into things & falling badly |
| [06:45:13] | justinh: | walking, we're assured, is not far off. God help us :) |
| [06:45:39] | sphery: | heh, then it's non-stop for 17 years |
| [06:46:26] | justinh: | mrs seems to have gone off the idea of having any more for now though |
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| [06:53:17] | justinh: | hmm. even trying to clip these artwork images isn't enough. they vary in size too much :-\ |
| [06:53:49] | justinh: | tmdb & tvdb should *insist* on images being exactly the right aspect |
| [06:54:08] | justinh: | I know their guidelines do, but maybe some testing is in order :) |
| [06:54:14] | achromat_: | Yeah, I don't think they police it too much. |
| [06:57:28] | sphery: | justinh: btw, thought of you while watching a Nova episode, today. Was about power production and reducing carbon emissions, and they kept showing a close-up of an electrical wall socket--complete with spots on it and gunk in the embossed writing |
| [06:57:55] | wagnerrp: | spots? |
| [06:58:06] | justinh: | 666x666? WTH kind of size is that? |
| [06:58:08] | sphery: | could have made it look much better with a towel, a little bit of cleaner, and 10s |
| [06:58:31] | sphery: | spots of dirt, like dried liquid or something |
| [06:58:31] | justinh: | heheh |
| [06:58:40] | wagnerrp: | justinh: its the size of evil |
| [06:59:08] | justinh: | like er.. 400x578.. that's surely not a cover aspect either |
| [07:00:10] | justinh: | and darn anybody who warps cover images to hell! |
| [07:02:25] | justinh: | erm.. why are people scanning *whole* box covers? I mean, if not for reproduction of said covers. Isn't it enough for most purposes just to see the front? |
| [07:06:02] | wagnerrp: | in some cases, the whole box is useful |
| [07:06:15] | wagnerrp: | i bought a copy of the road warrior that was apparently previously used |
| [07:06:28] | wagnerrp: | and the previous owner had use the cover for red2blu |
| [07:06:42] | justinh: | ah |
| [07:06:53] | wagnerrp: | but for tmdb... its completely pointless |
| [07:07:03] | justinh: | didn't say I saw the scans in tmdb :) |
| [07:07:09] | wagnerrp: | since its designed for media center software |
| [07:07:19] | wagnerrp: | oh, just google images or some such? |
| [07:07:44] | justinh: | actual cover images sites |
| [07:10:44] | wagnerrp: | but im sure im the rare user that has to legitimately replace a lost insert |
| [07:11:19] | wagnerrp: | as opposed to the one rolling their own "free" DVD collection |
| [07:11:23] | justinh: | suppose so |
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| [09:07:05] | justinh: | heh. HP junk. AMD X3 440, 3GB RAM, Nvidia GT6150SE, 500GB HDD.. £199.97 |
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| [09:13:54] | lxs-makoto: | i just got two of these on their way http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/MicroClient-eBox-2300-m . . . 260757951067 |
| [09:14:07] | lxs-makoto: | they're gonna be naff for tv, but cute nonetheless |
| [09:15:24] | justinh: | heh. 200Mhz |
| [09:15:53] | justinh: | would make a neat box for home automation & stuff though |
| [09:16:51] | lxs-makoto: | yeah, im gonna use one as thin client, other one as router |
| [09:17:09] | lxs-makoto: | mainly because mums sick of a full sized pc annoying her in the lounge |
| [09:17:46] | justinh: | wonder what the coax connector is for |
| [09:18:03] | justinh: | http://www.compactpc.com.tw/images/eBox-2300/Back_Side.jpg |
| [09:18:21] | justinh: | specs don't mention wireless |
| [09:18:32] | justinh: | oh wait (optional). heh |
| [09:29:28] | justinh: | oh arse. twitter are buying Tweetdeck. So long, advertising-free twitter |
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| [09:42:28] | G: | In NZ, the DVB-T signal is plain MPEG4 etc, is there an easy way to just cut out the nuv data for easy playback in normal players that happily accept these MPEG4 streams (i.e. Windows Media Centre will happily accept a live stream from the tuner but it won't accept a MythTV recording |
| [09:44:04] | justinh: | nuv data? |
| [09:44:20] | justinh: | mythtv has saved recordings as plain MPG extensions for ages |
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| [09:44:38] | justinh: | infact DVB/ATSC recordings have *always* been plain mpeg files |
| [09:45:08] | justinh: | mythtv doesn't do *anything* to the broadcast format unless you're transcoding them |
| [09:45:38] | G: | justinh: hmmm okay then, so the mpg file should be an exact replica of what came over the air |
| [09:45:42] | justinh: | yup |
| [09:45:52] | ** G closes a heap of misleading Firefox tabs ** | |
| [09:45:58] | justinh: | which I doubt media center can play |
| [09:46:13] | justinh: | *without the special PAID FOR plugin |
| [09:52:05] | justinh: | a pox on media systems that can't play mpeg formats out of the box! |
| [09:52:44] | G: | don't worry, I've also had a bunch of players on my Fedora install on my laptop have issues |
| [09:54:16] | justinh: | missing gstreamer plugin stuff no doubt. Go gstreamer! |
| [09:54:25] | G: | so, Handbrake seems to suggest that the audio is MPEG4 LATM AAC |
| [09:54:45] | justinh: | or is it only ubuntu who force gstreamer players on everybody? |
| [09:55:04] | justinh: | Totem.. hasn't been able to play a *single* file I've tried to open with it |
| [09:55:19] | justinh: | oh wait, maybe one ogg |
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| [10:21:51] | ** justinh chuckles as Handbrake pops up "Put down that cocktail, the encoding is done!" ** | |
| [10:21:59] | justinh: | but it's not even 12pm |
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| [12:30:36] | justinh: | hmmm. somebody give thdb 50p for their electricity meter |
| [12:30:48] | justinh: | er *TMDB |
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| [13:16:42] | justinh: | humph. asked to find a network cable in the comms room. it comes upstairs and into the comms cabinet, so folklore tells |
| [13:17:41] | mycoDA: | you got a modulator you can use to trace it? |
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| [13:51:00] | justinh: | whee. all done. manager wanted me to put a rj45 plug on the other end. no frickin way lol |
| [13:51:07] | justinh: | did it properly :) |
| [13:52:37] | toeb: | Does the Blue Abstract Theme work with the master tree? |
| [13:52:53] | justinh: | dunno. try it! |
| [13:53:28] | justinh: | I've seen screenshots, so I don't need to :-) |
| [13:53:42] | toeb: | i think about switching to the master tree... have not done it yet... |
| [13:54:14] | justinh: | why? does it offer you a killer feature you can't wait for? |
| [13:54:31] | justinh: | or can you not wait to get your feet wet and contribute to being a valuable testing resource? |
| [13:56:10] | toeb: | not really a killer feature but i would like to have the osd messages... |
| [13:57:50] | toeb: | and all commits i have seen in the last weeks seem to relate to the web setup stuff so i thought it may be ok to try it... |
| [13:58:17] | justinh: | I can't remember seeing anything to do with OSD messages |
| [14:00:22] | justinh: | ahh there it is. Mythmessage |
| [14:02:30] | justinh: | eh? is *that* it? heh |
| [14:02:48] | toeb: | https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/bd469 . . . 6c0bcd058d75 |
| [14:02:55] | toeb: | yes |
| [14:04:15] | skd5aner: | justinh: say hi to Kate for me |
| [14:04:21] | justinh: | who? |
| [14:04:23] | toeb: | IIRC there was also the possibility to do this with a http request to the backend? |
| [14:04:35] | skd5aner: | justinh: the most important woman in England right now – Kate |
| [14:04:41] | justinh: | Kate WHO? |
| [14:04:50] | skd5aner: | justinh: the one I'm sure you are following day and night |
| [14:05:02] | justinh: | am I? Oh I hadn't realised |
| [14:05:14] | skd5aner: | It's a requirement I've been told |
| [14:05:16] | ** justinh is something of a republican ** | |
| [14:05:20] | skd5aner: | ;) |
| [14:06:00] | skd5aner: | wait till the queen here's about this lack of allegiance.... tisk tisk |
| [14:06:10] | skd5aner: | doh – "hears" |
| [14:06:28] | justinh: | back to Facebook, with language like that ;-) |
| [14:06:55] | skd5aner: | stupid fingers and their dumb finger brains |
| [14:07:05] | justinh: | actually, no. FB speak would be more like "wait til the queen here's about you're lack of alleedgeance" |
| [14:07:07] | skd5aner: | intercepting my smart human brain signals |
| [14:08:16] | justinh: | I really don't see what all the fuss is about |
| [14:08:30] | justinh: | and we're not being given the day off next Friday |
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| [14:08:43] | skd5aner: | I'm surprised the US media is latching on as much as it is – I always wonder if it's similiar over there or much worse |
| [14:09:05] | ** justinh is never surprised at the level of fawning the USA goes at over our royals ** | |
| [14:09:20] | justinh: | skd5aner: most of us could literally not give a damn |
| [14:09:37] | justinh: | our media are all over it too, and we're frankly SICK of hearing about it |
| [14:10:24] | justinh: | it was different when chaz & di got wed, IIRC |
| [14:10:53] | skd5aner: | it's because we don't live with it – it's easy to be "woohed" (sp?) by something so foreign and different than if you've lived with it for 1000 years |
| [14:11:01] | justinh: | Prince Phillip is cool though. He says whatever he likes lol |
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| [14:11:43] | justinh: | some bloke from his side of the family opened our offices officially here. I couldn't tell them apart if challenged |
| [14:11:56] | justinh: | they mostly look remarkably similar. Go figure ;) |
| [14:12:06] | skd5aner: | and Disney doesn't help either – the whole fairy tell princess wedding with pomp and unlimited funds |
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| [14:12:19] | skd5aner: | women are suckers for that crap |
| [14:12:24] | justinh: | s/funds/money from the taxpayers |
| [14:12:45] | skd5aner: | not American taxpayers – heightens the appeal! ;) |
| [14:12:45] | justinh: | nope – I think you'll find the majority of the UK really couldn't give a flying **** |
| [14:13:00] | skd5aner: | I probably care just as equally less than you |
| [14:13:28] | justinh: | Lady Di was about a generation ago.. and when it came to the news of her death.. I'll never forget what I was doing when I was told |
| [14:13:52] | justinh: | that news ruined a perfectly pleasant Sunday morning – what our tabloids would call a 'romp' |
| [14:14:15] | justinh: | further deepened my resentment of the royals, when my GFs mother burst in to tell us |
| [14:14:46] | skd5aner: | so – you were, uh... "romping" some chick when her mom burst in on you? |
| [14:15:06] | skd5aner: | to tell you that?! |
| [14:15:17] | justinh: | yup. and she stood there, all serious & said Princess Di had died. GF got out of bed to watch TV |
| [14:15:17] | skd5aner: | yea – that'd taint my opinion too |
| [14:15:57] | justinh: | that was bad enough but there was pretty much *nothing* on TV or radio for a whole 24 hours because of that |
| [14:16:03] | skd5aner: | yea – I remember when it happened to, because I had a journalism class the next day and that's all we talked about – the media's coverage of it |
| [14:16:12] | justinh: | I mean, nothing *else* anyway |
| [14:17:01] | justinh: | hmm.. so this mythmessage dealy.. how does the message get on the screen? can't see much in that commit that'd do it |
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| [14:17:25] | skd5aner: | justinh: http://www.usatoday.com/life/people/2011-04-2 . . . y21_st_N.htm |
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| [14:18:32] | justinh: | er.. *Parade* magazine? isn't that er... filth? |
| [14:19:06] | skd5aner: | depends on how you define filth |
| [14:19:43] | justinh: | I think there used to be a p0rn mag of the same name over here back in the day |
| [14:20:00] | skd5aner: | this is the one it's referring to – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parade_(magazine) not the one you're referring to – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parade_(British_magazine) |
| [14:20:49] | justinh: | ahh. vaccuous crap |
| [14:20:59] | justinh: | 'aw-sum' |
| [14:25:06] | skd5aner: | I will admit, thought, that Kate is pretty hot |
| [14:25:18] | skd5aner: | grrr... "though" |
| [14:25:38] | justinh: | not orange enough to be considered hot over here |
| [14:25:41] | skd5aner: | that's it – I'm actually going to proofread my IRC convos now :/ |
| [14:25:57] | skd5aner: | heh "orange" as in tan/fake tan? |
| [14:26:00] | justinh: | yup |
| [14:26:05] | skd5aner: | ew |
| [14:27:37] | justinh: | look on youtube for 'the only way is essex'.. All UK girls are like that# |
| [14:28:41] | justinh: | this one sums it up nicely http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsVO1hsrOnI |
| [14:29:22] | justinh: | NB: wanting to punch everybody who appears is a perfectly normal reaction ;) |
| [14:29:45] | justinh: | right. Hometime. No work til Tuesday! |
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| [17:51:07] | Nede: | hi chat! |
| [17:51:18] | Nede: | hi wagnerrp |
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| [17:52:58] | Nede: | doubt: the conversion from stereo to 5.1 the performer? the frontend or backend? I guess the frontend but I want to confirm! |
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| [18:20:51] | Nede: | I try to repeat the question ... |
| [18:20:56] | Nede: | doubt: the conversion from stereo to 5.1 the performer? the frontend or backend? I guess the frontend but I want to confirm! |
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| [20:17:22] | Nede: | doubt: the conversion from stereo to 5.1 the performer? the frontend or backend? I guess the frontend but I want to confirm! |
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| [20:19:17] | J-e-f-f-A: | Nede: No need to repeat yourself, it will just anger folks. |
| [20:19:40] | J-e-f-f-A: | Nede: And that would be done on the frontend at playback time. |
| [20:20:01] | wagnerrp: | well he is at least waiting a significant amount of time between asking |
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| [20:20:21] | wagnerrp: | of course what specifically he is asking... i have no clue |
| [20:21:20] | Nede: | I apologize for offending the group will not be repeated !!!!! |
| [20:21:22] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: It would seem he was asking where a 2-channel program would be up-mixed to 5.1 happens – which would be on the frontend. |
| [20:22:18] | Nede: | thank you J-e-f-f-A for help me!!!! |
| [20:22:32] | J-e-f-f-A: | Nede: The backend does the capturing of the recording, and writes it to disk. After that, it's more-or-less a fileserver. The frontend does the 'hard work' for playback. |
| [20:23:05] | wagnerrp: | unless you have a framegrabber, but AFAIK, the nuppelvideo recorder will not do upmixing |
| [20:23:46] | J-e-f-f-A: | Nede: Granted, that's an over-simplification, as the backend has LOTS of stuff to do (scheduling), but the point is that it doesn't up-mix to 5.1, etc, the frontend does that at playback. |
| [20:23:56] | Nede: | J-e-f-f-A, Ok, it was what I imagined is that I'm going crazy for a problem of mix-up |
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| [20:25:51] | J-e-f-f-A: | Nede: If you can't figure it out, join the mythtv-users mailing list and post a message there. |
| [20:26:40] | Nede: | unless you have a framegrabber, but AFAIK, the nuppelvideo recorder will not do upmixing |
| [20:26:46] | Nede: | oops... |
| [20:27:00] | Nede: | Thank you very much, this channel is really full of very competent people!! Congratulations to prepare! |
| [20:27:44] | Nede: | J-e-f-f-A, for my problem? |
| [20:27:49] | J-e-f-f-A: | I have a somewhat similar issue with my son's frontend – He's got an old Boston Acoustics 4.1 system, and I couldn't get Myth to down-mix 5.1 to 4.1... I didn't spend much time on it. |
| [20:28:33] | Shadow__X: | J-e-f-f-A: add another speaker |
| [20:28:35] | Shadow__X: | problem solved |
| [20:28:40] | J-e-f-f-A: | I think I spent about 15–20 mins trying to get it to 'behave', but it would insist on using a center channel, which wasn't there. ;-) |
| [20:28:45] | J-e-f-f-A: | ^^ hehehe Shadow__X ;-) |
| [20:30:57] | Nede: | J-e-f-f-A, but that happens to me: I open the live tv and all is well, change channels every 15 seconds and I have a stammer. If I remove and remit up-mixer okay until the next channel change. |
| [20:30:57] | Nede: | The same hardware was not the first! |
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| [20:31:28] | Nede: | (sorry for my english, google translate....) |
| [20:36:17] | J-e-f-f-A: | Nede: What version of mythtv? "mythfrontend --version" – the "MythTV Branch" line |
| [20:37:27] | J-e-f-f-A: | Gee, why does my version string end in "-dirty" ? – is it because I've customized mythlcdserver? |
| [20:37:32] | Nede: | J-e-f-f-A, MythTV Version : v0.24-249-g4fe108c MythTV Branch : fixes/0.24 |
| [20:38:52] | J-e-f-f-A: | Nede: Ok, so you're running 0.24-fixes, and not trunk. That's good. ;-) I would join the mythtv-users mailing list and send a message out with the details- you'll get help. ;-) |
| [20:39:14] | wagnerrp: | so theres someone on the mailing list wanting to know how they can edit recordings |
| [20:39:42] | wagnerrp: | for the purpose of creating a highlight reel of the royal wedding to put on a dvd |
| [20:39:49] | J-e-f-f-A: | Nede: Because, although there are 177 people in this channel, many are 'idle', and obviously not here 24x7 |
| [20:39:58] | wagnerrp: | what i dont understand is... why people care? |
| [20:40:07] | J-e-f-f-A: | Who's getting married? |
| [20:40:10] | ** J-e-f-f-A laughs ** | |
| [20:40:33] | wagnerrp: | british royal family, apparently |
| [20:40:39] | wagnerrp: | had to look it up monday |
| [20:40:52] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: Yeah, I forgot to turn the sarcasm tag on/off. ;-) |
| [20:40:54] | wagnerrp: | instead of Castle, there was some news story on some couple getting married |
| [20:41:43] | wagnerrp: | i was curious to know why my 'precious stories' were preempted by the wedding of two people i had no idea who they even were |
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| [20:42:33] | wagnerrp: | i mean... its not your wedding, its not your friends wedding |
| [20:42:52] | wagnerrp: | unless i have a significant misunderstanding of british politics, those people are not much more than a figurehead |
| [20:42:59] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: Ah, you seriously didn't know? hehehe... I thought you were just joking. ;-) I *knew* who they were/are, but it's no big deal to me. ;-) To each his own, I guess! |
| [20:43:16] | Nede: | But every now and then mess around too, do not you become the computer !!!!!!! |
| [20:43:20] | Nede: | :-) |
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| [20:44:04] | J-e-f-f-A: | Nede: That's VERY broken english – I'm not sure I understand... |
| [20:45:00] | wagnerrp: | i just dont understand why people feel any attachment to them, much less enough of one to store their wedding for later reviewing |
| [20:45:47] | Nede: | J-e-f-f-A, No matter, I am a hard work that you have no idea! Italian to English google sob! |
| [20:47:41] | J-e-f-f-A: | Nede: Hehehehe... ;-) I can't speak a single word in Italian... I took Spanish in the 10th grade, but that was 27 years ago... <eek, I'm an old fart!> |
| [20:48:39] | Nede: | Now I'm reading the mail list mythtv, I had never actually taken into account to use it. I thought that was the best place irc ..... |
| [20:49:12] | Nede: | eh-eh-eh!!! J-e-f-f-A |
| [20:52:20] | J-e-f-f-A: | Nede: We're a diverse group, and the guy that played the biggest role in the Audo re-write is from Austrailia, and he's not in the channel now as he's probably sleeping... ;-) So the mailing list might be a better way to get a direct response. |
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| [20:55:03] | Nede: | J-e-f-f-A, ok, my only problem will be guess what? English!! I'm afraid to ask the question incorrectly because of translation. We will work to |
| [20:56:52] | J-e-f-f-A: | Well, just start off your message with "Sorry for my broken English, I only speak Italian, and am using Google Translate to write this email." — and maybe a native-speaking italian can help you off-list or something... |
| [20:57:19] | Nede: | What does it mean? Would you like to receive list mail batched in a daily digest? |
| [20:57:49] | wagnerrp: | you get one lump mail, as opposed to each individual post |
| [20:58:30] | Nede: | ah ok wagnerrp |
| [20:58:33] | Nede: | thanks |
| [21:00:00] | Nede: | J-e-f-f-A, thanks for your valuable advice, I'll try for sure. You were very helpful! |
| [21:01:05] | J-e-f-f-A: | Nede: No Problem. Good luck! Once you get your MythTV system configured well, you will wonder how you ever lived without it. ;-) |
| [21:01:53] | Shadow__X: | J-e-f-f-A: or you get so used to it you take it for granted |
| [21:02:26] | Nede: | J-e-f-f-A, Quote 100%! A great "appliance" |
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| [21:04:02] | J-e-f-f-A: | Ooh, it's 5:03pm, and a Holiday tomorrow. I'm splitting... ;-) hehehehe.... ttyl. |
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| [21:04:30] | Nede: | However over the years has improved a lot. In comparison with the 0:21 version that I had tried many improvements .... |
| [21:05:14] | Nede: | italy time is 23:05 pm, zzzzzzzZZZZZZZzzzzzzzZZZZZZZZ |
| [21:06:50] | Nede: | I go to sleep! Thanks for the chat, was very nice! |
| [21:06:50] | Nede: | Until next time !!!!! |
| [21:07:04] | Nede: | W mythtv! |
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| [21:07:48] | Nede: | J-e-f-f-A, :-) |
| [21:07:52] | Nede: | wagnerrp, :-) |
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| [22:35:59] | keith: | anyone know the best/cheap atsc/qam supported usb device? |
| [22:36:06] | keith: | http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/ATSC_USB_Devices |
| [22:36:07] | wagnerrp: | i know a lot of people use the 950Q |
| [22:36:14] | wagnerrp: | but besides that... dont know what to suggest |
| [22:36:16] | keith: | i was going by this list |
| [22:36:21] | keith: | but just seeing if anyone has suggestions on best supported chipset, etc |
| [22:36:51] | keith: | wow the 950q's are fairly priced |
| [22:37:32] | wagnerrp: | theyre pretty expensive IMHO |
| [22:37:38] | keith: | $65? |
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| [22:38:06] | wagnerrp: | single internal tuners are <$50 |
| [22:38:21] | keith: | i guess more like $75 |
| [22:38:21] | wagnerrp: | for $65/tuner, id much rather have an HDHR |
| [22:38:25] | keith: | usb ones? |
| [22:38:47] | keith: | yea how good is the dvb driver for hdhr? |
| [22:39:02] | keith: | i considered that, but then its another device to power, anoother ethernet port, etc |
| [22:39:18] | wagnerrp: | from what i understand, only about half implemented and pretty broken |
| [22:40:04] | wagnerrp: | i was under the impression it was written to support the author's specific application need, rather than general use |
| [22:40:21] | keith: | yea so dont want to use hdhr yet :( |
| [22:40:44] | keith: | honestly, im going to be using tvheadend and not even mythtv, but i figured better chance someone unidle here ;) |
| [22:40:47] | wagnerrp: | this is for tvheadend? |
| [22:40:50] | wagnerrp: | yeah... |
| [22:41:12] | keith: | trying to get tvheadend working on my qnap, since we got xbmc ported to the atv2 |
| [22:41:13] | wagnerrp: | might be worth adding support for the first party HDHR library |
| [22:41:17] | keith: | just for shits and giggles. |
| [22:41:25] | wagnerrp: | but that would be a whole other project |
| [22:41:47] | keith: | yup. i would love to use mythtv on my qnap, but i fear it's a little too intensive for my purposes |
| [22:42:14] | wagnerrp: | the scheduler and guide data handling is really what kills you on those underpowered systems |
| [22:42:19] | keith: | but thats why i'm specifically asking for a dvb atsc/qam card, instead of just a card that supports v4l2 |
| [22:42:37] | keith: | well, this is a c2d 2.8ghz qnap, but i like running other things on it :) |
| [22:43:19] | wagnerrp: | ah, i thought there stuff was all low powered NAS boxes |
| [22:43:22] | wagnerrp: | their |
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| [22:43:37] | keith: | most is, they have 2 lines, arm and atom based |
| [22:43:52] | keith: | they made a few one-offs that used other (better) procs |
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| [22:44:25] | keith: | i just won a 2.8ghz 8bay nas for $860 on ebay, so plotting uses :) |
| [22:46:01] | keith: | but yea, if i get this going, my next goal is to look into hdhr, since i eventually want cablecard to work :D |
| [22:46:33] | wagnerrp: | mythbackend really doesnt need a whole lot of resources |
| [22:46:57] | wagnerrp: | my backend is currently running about 80MB of memory, with some 26min of CPU time in the last week and a half |
| [22:47:05] | wagnerrp: | it really just comes down to the scheduler runes |
| [22:47:26] | wagnerrp: | anyway... do understand the limitations of cablecard on an unlicensed program |
| [22:47:36] | wagnerrp: | you will only be able to capture the 'copy freely' channels |
| [22:47:48] | Shadow__X: | also hdhr prime is the one for cable card |
| [22:47:54] | wagnerrp: | which would be the same ones as you could over firewire from a STB |
| [22:48:54] | wagnerrp: | if tvheadend worked with the native libraries, then it would not be difficult to add support for the HDHRP |
| [22:49:22] | wagnerrp: | the only big difference the SD people had to make was how tuning was handled |
| [22:49:48] | wagnerrp: | theyve been running the HDHRP on mythtv for over a year now |
| [22:50:08] | Shadow__X: | the hdhrp is out now? |
| [22:50:12] | wagnerrp: | no |
| [22:50:16] | Shadow__X: | or they have prerelease |
| [22:50:27] | wagnerrp: | 'they' being 'the SD engineers' |
| [22:51:22] | Shadow__X: | oh ok i gotcha so it wont be hard to get working once its released |
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| [22:54:39] | wagnerrp: | keith: if you do get a 950Q, make sure its a 'Q' |
| [22:54:56] | wagnerrp: | the basic 950 is a completely different device, and does not support QAM |
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