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Friday, April 15th, 2011, 00:05 UTC

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wagnerrp:

hahaha

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wagnerrp:

user building a system to be quiet, and using an old P4

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wagnerrp:

APNIC has officially run out of addresses

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wagnerrp:

individual companies are now operating on their independent spare pools

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bcgrown:

my 8400gs can only handle the "Bob 2x" deinterlacing method, nothing more advanced. would either of these cards do any better: http://ncix.com/products/?sku=53615&vpn=E . . . facture=ASUS

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bcgrown:

#2: http://ncix.com/products/?sku=57604&vpn=N . . . %2FMicroStar

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wagnerrp:

nope, those will both be limited to VDPAU Normal

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wagnerrp:

you need a 220 or 430 for High Quality

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bcgrown:

hmm ok. the 8400gs seems to barely keep up with VDPAU Slim (and deinterlacer set to bob 2x)

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bcgrown:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/VDPAU#Card_status <-- this table seems to be not so accurate

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wagnerrp:

do you have a G86 or G98 8400?

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wagnerrp:

(is your card 400MHz or 567MHz)

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wagnerrp:

my onboard 8200 is considerably lesser than either of those cards, and has no problem with VDPAU Slim

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bcgrown:

the box says 567

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bcgrown:

at 1080i?

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wagnerrp:

and my G98 8400 does VDPAU Normal fine

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wagnerrp:

well its either going to be 1080i or 480i

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wagnerrp:

so if youre running a deinterlacer on HD video, its going to be 1080i

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bcgrown:

which deinterlacing method do you use?

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wagnerrp:

kernel on one, VDPAU Slim defaults on the other

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kisak:

you shouldn't be able to use bob 2x with vdpau

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wagnerrp:

wait, are you talking about "Bob (2x, hw)'?

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wagnerrp:

meaning the Bob software deint, written in shader code?

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bcgrown:

wagnerrp: yes that's the one

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bcgrown:

(unrelated: did TD sponsor the arena in Boston because that's the only way Toronto will get into the playoffs?)

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wagnerrp:

yeah, i have no idea what the requirements of the opengl deint filters is

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bcgrown:

wagnerrp: which one *should* work best with the 8400gs?

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wagnerrp:

i dont know, never used the opengl deint filters

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kisak:

try the advanced deinterlacer

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kisak:

(iirc)

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bcgrown:

i just changed the profile to VDPAU Normal and it looks pretty good... (defaults to Temporal 2x HW / Temporal 1x HW fallback) I could've sworn that didn't work last time I tried it though

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bcgrown:

err.. spoke too soon... that gives me a ton of tearing whenever the camera pans

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kisak:

make temproal 1x your primary deinterlacer

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kisak:

*temporal

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bcgrown:

Advanced looks great... but runs at about 5fps

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kisak:

I forgot that advanced takes more power than temporal to run

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bcgrown:

Temporal 1x is choppy too

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irritatus:

upgraded from 23 to 24 – cant access video0 any more – any known reasons

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kisak:

you shouldn't be using anything 2x with a 8400

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bcgrown:

kisak: Bob 2x is the only one that looks half decent

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bcgrown:

but even that gets a little blurry on motion and has some tearing

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bcgrown:

One Field looks awful

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bcgrown:

and those are all the options I have...

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kisak:

I never liked either of those

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bcgrown:

could something else be slowing it down? it's a core 2 duo, both cores are <20% on playback

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bcgrown:

2.2GB of RAM free

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bcgrown:

no swap used

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wagnerrp:

try kernel or yadif

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bcgrown:

wagnerrp: i dont get those options in the VDPAU profiles

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wagnerrp:

the 8400 should be capable of temporal 1x

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bcgrown:

wagnerrp: not this one...

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wagnerrp:

or otherwise, you core2duo is plenty fast for just about anything you may want to decode

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wagnerrp:

you can always just go back to software decoding as you were before

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wagnerrp:

'i reconstituted the compressed information above the nyquist frequency'

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wagnerrp:

wait.. what?

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wagnerrp:

that information isnt compressed... its just... gone

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bcgrown:

give that man a patent, he accomplished the impossible

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bcgrown:

wagnerrp: kernel and yadif both look choppy, this is on the "Slim" (non-VDPAU) profile

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wagnerrp:

also, youll want to change the Slim profile to use the opengl renderer, not xv

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bcgrown:

should I use the VDPAU Decoder or Standard?

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bcgrown:

Standard decoder, opengl render, Yadif and Kernel deinterlacers are both no better than I had with VDPAU + Bob 2x

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bcgrown:

worse, actually

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bcgrown:

would any of these three give $80 worth of improvement:

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bcgrown:

http://ncix.com/products/?sku=56230&vpn=E . . . facture=ASUS

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bcgrown:

http://ncix.com/products/?sku=60555&vpn=Z . . . acture=Zotac

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bcgrown:

http://ncix.com/products/?sku=56242&vpn=N . . . promoid=1312

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markk:

bcgrown: go back to basics. try using XVideo with something like kernel 2x deinterlacer. that should work on your box for just about anything. If it doesn't, post the output of mythfrontend -v playback. If all is ok, move on to vdpau with temporal 2x. again that should work without issue . if not I suspect you have a different issue (.e.g network speed) and a card upgrade may not help

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bcgrown:

markk: network speed isn't the issue, the frontend and backend are on the same machine

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bcgrown:

xvideo+ kernel 2x works, but I still get horizontal tearing with motion (hockey game)

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markk:

bcgrown: what mythtv version are you using?

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bcgrown:

0.24+fixes, just updated

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markk:

bcgrown: and what driver version?

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bcgrown:

video driver?

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sphery:

wagnerrp: where's that quote from? not our lists, right?

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markk:

bcgrown: yes – video driver.

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bcgrown:

NVIDIA settings panel says 195.36.24

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wagnerrp:

bones

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bcgrown:

markk: i see on the nvidia site that they're up to 260.x now though.. :/

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bcgrown:

markk: and here i thought ubuntu's hardware drivers thingy had picked the latest and greatest for me

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markk:

bcgrown: I still use 195.xxx for vdpau development. it works (and with an 8400gs).

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bcgrown:

260 doesn't?

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bcgrown:

the 8400gs is on the supported cards list

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bcgrown:

2.4MB/sec... got to live FTTP :)

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bcgrown:

s/live/love

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markk:

bcgrown: for Xvideo playback, can you go into nvidia settings and enable X Server XVideo Settings->Sync to vblank

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markk:

and see if that fixes your tearing

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bcgrown:

markk: k i'll try that

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Timrit:

i installed a new drive for recordings and storage on my backend and need to know if there is a way to clear the database of the old recordings that were on the old storage disc that has been removed. any help?

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kisak:

Timrit: no old recordings are available to you?

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kisak:

if there's no recordings, then it sounds like a good oppertunity to reset the database

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Timrit:

i pulled the hd after smart errors

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Timrit:

put in new hd

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Timrit:

i am also getting Player(0), Error: Waited too long for decoder to fill video buffers. Exiting..

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Timrit:

on playback of recordings i do have

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Timrit:

i have linhes (testing) with local/mythtv 0.24–14 (pvr)

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Timrit:

A Homebrew PVR project

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bcgrown:

markk: that seems to have made a big difference, xvideo render + kernel 2x deint

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Beirdo:

woohoo, parked the zipcar JUST in time to avoid late fees, it seems

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Timrit:

and frontend of local/mythtv 0.24–1

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Beirdo:

heh

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Timrit:

A Homebrew PVR project

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bcgrown:

markk: still get tearing with vdpau+ temporal 2x though

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kisak:

bcgrown: I get tearing with temporal 2x with my 8800GT

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bcgrown:

xvideo+ kernel 2x seems to be the best option for me

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bcgrown:

but that pegs both cores at 100% :(

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bcgrown:

well 80–100

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kisak:

bcgrown: I keep wondering why you want to double process your video

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bcgrown:

kisak: what do you mean?

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kisak:

that's what 2x means, processed twice

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bcgrown:

oh

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bcgrown:

well, Kernel 1x looks really choppy

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bcgrown:

fine for a sitcom probably, not so much for hockey

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markk:

kisak: you clearly have no idea what your talking about. it's processed twice to present the different fields as 2 full frames

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bcgrown:

i gotta go, but if you have any other suggestions i'll be checking back here later. thanks!

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kisak:

"MythTV has a number of 2x deinterlacers which attempt to turn 30 Hz (or 25 Hz) interlaced video into 60 Hz (or 50 Hz) progressive video." what part of that is not consistant with what I said?

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markk:

' I keep wondering why you want to double process your video' ?

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kisak:

I should quit now while the hole is small

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kisak:

doesn't the deinterlacer take two adjoining half frames, blend them together, advance half a frame, and repeat with 2x while 1x takes a full frame, blends it to itself, and advances to the next frame?

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kisak:

and is that not double the workload?

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sphery:

Captain_Murdoch: BTW, petefoo found out the problem... It was an old plugin module whose binary version didn't match. Locked up our frontend init, it seems. I'll have to look into that some time.

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Captain_Murdoch:

sphery, thanks.

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markk:

kisak: the underlying process is exactly the same for 1x and 2x. the deinterlacer will take anything from 1 to 5 fields, do some 'magic' and output a full frame. 1x does that for every other field, 2x for every field.

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markk:

so yes – double the workload but double the amount of visual 'data'

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sphery:

Captain_Murdoch: (just mentioned it because I know it would have stuck around in the back of my mind if I never found out what caused it :)

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Captain_Murdoch:

sphery, yeah, appreciate it. some "about to init plugin blah" messages would have helped track that down.

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Captain_Murdoch:

would have been in the back of my mind as I contemplated going to 0.24 or master on my production boxes, which I might get around to this week since I have the week off while the in-laws are in town.

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sphery:

Captain_Murdoch: yeah, we just got: 2011-04–14 20:56:50.783 Plugin mythnetvision (0.25.20110122–1) binary version does not match libraries (0.25.20110409–1)

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sphery:

I glanced over it the first time

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sphery:

he got things working again for a while with a DB restore, then it started happening again after he let MythMusic upgrade its schema

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sphery:

so I realized it may be that old plugin, that for a while wasn't being init'ed the same

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petefoo:

The worst was last night, after it started working. I was so excited to be at the end of the tunnel. Then I went downstairs and saw the brown screen of death

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petefoo:

I almost punched my TV.

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petefoo:

Captain_Murdoch: Thanks to you also for helping look. Very helpful crowd here.

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sphery:

heh, glad no TVs died in debugging this issue

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petefoo:

it would have been a tragic end to a fairly nice Samsung.

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** Beirdo wonders what to munh on **

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Beirdo:

munch even

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Captain_Murdoch:

petefoo, yw. sorry it took so long to debug. I don't recall ever hearing of something like that happening before.

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sphery:

the sad part is that I do remember hearing of exactly that happening before

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sphery:

now, I remember it, that is

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sphery:

would have been nice if I remembered it last night

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petefoo:

Captain_Murdoch: Nor have I. I've been running on trunk since before 0.22 was released and this one really had me stumped. Usually I'm able to muddle my way through things.

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petefoo:

Just curious, how long ago was the change to MNV? It had been since Janurary or so since I last synced up with the repo.

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sphery:

It's not that MNV was changed but that the API version was changed, and the MNV module you have is linked against the old library

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sphery:

so rebuilding--and ensuring MNV builds and is installed properly--should fix that

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sphery:

especially now that your system /and/ build libraries will be the new version

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petefoo:

Do all plugins share the same API version, or was that upgrade specific to MythMusic?

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sphery:

yeah, it's the plugin API version that's exported by MythTV code

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sphery:

so mythfrontend is expecting plugin modules that use the current plugin API version... It's to make sure that plugins know what data and functions MythTV libraries make available

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sphery:

I'm sure someone else could explain it much better, but I'm a bit distracted by my Thursday comedies

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petefoo:

If only someone would put together some sort of open sourced tivo like package....

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mzb:

is it possible to restrict the coverart to English only?

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mzb:

and/OR

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mzb:

can I get bigger previews when selecting which one to use?

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wagnerrp:

petefoo: by that you mean packaged in a pre-installed box?

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mzb:

impossible to tell if the Title/Actors are in Spanish/whatever until it's loaded

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petefoo:

wagnerrp: It was a poor attempt at humor. re sphery and his Thursday shows.

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sphery:

petefoo: heh, but pause is just too much work

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petefoo:

I just found why that MNV wasn't replacing it's lib file. the configure script claims its ok to build, but it fails with 'Error 2'

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sphery:

petefoo: got a make log?

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petefoo:

http://pastebin.com/mGKCMz2d

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petefoo:

I've put so much on pastebin in the past few days that it's got me on permacapcha now.

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sphery:

heh

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sphery:

petefoo: looks like you have an out-of-date or corrupt /usr/local/include/mythtv/mythuifilebrowser.h (which is installed by mythtv, not the plugins), and since MythNetvision uses that, it can't build.

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sphery:

I'd recommend deleting that file ( rm /usr/local/include/mythtv/mythuifilebrowser.h ), then rebuilding and re-installing mythtv package, then rebuilding and reinstalling the mythplugins package

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petefoo:

heh nice. I have that file in 5 different places.

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sphery:

ah, that may be part of the problem

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sphery:

if you have an old install in /usr and a new one in /usr/local (or vice versa), you need to clean up the old one

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petefoo:

That's the thing. This box is fresh since about Christmas time. It has never had any version other than trunk.

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petefoo:

Only the change from subversion to git

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petefoo:

(Which could have alot to do with it)

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petefoo:

It is spring though, good time to clean things up.

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sphery:

heh, true

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petefoo:

Plugins build good now sphery, thanks.

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sphery:

great, so all should be working, now

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sphery:

enjoy

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petefoo:

config.xml is the right spot to be putting db info right? mysql.txt is the old one?

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petefoo:

My backend can't find mysql all of a sudden.

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sphery:

it's kind of a mess right now

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petefoo:

I saw you talking about some changes to the way it parses that today.

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sphery:

you can have a mysql.txt, too

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petefoo:

mine was one of those guys with localhost:0

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sphery:

yeah, I use localhost:0, too

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sphery:

it's the localhost:3306 that we're doing something stupid for

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petefoo:

sphery: its replacing my 10.0.0.24:3306 with 127.0.0.1:3306

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petefoo:

where .24 is the ip of the backend.

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sphery:

petefoo: if you don't have a mysql.txt, it does a fallback to defaults (localhost/mythtv/mythtv) before it tries the config.xml values

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petefoo:

ahh ok. Any way to force config.xml?

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sphery:

easiest thing to do at this point is probably to just have both a mysql.txt and config.xml (and make sure they're both in agreement)

[04:08:15]

sphery:

no, I need to rework how it's doing the initial DB connection stuff

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petefoo:

Is it going to be like that long enough that I should bother putting together some sedfoo to make a mysql.txt out of my config.xml? I'll forget to update them both.

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sphery:

technically, you can "confuse" it into doing the right thing by specifying the same UUID for the MediaRenderer and the USN for the default backend in config.xml, but that can make your UPnP stuff stop working properly

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sphery:

I recommend going the mysql.txt + config.xml right now

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sphery:

your config.xml shouldn't need to change, though, should it?

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sphery:

I've been using the same one since 2004

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petefoo:

Well, I like to tinker. It drives my wife nuts. I just get bored and wonder how neat it would be to move myth's sql to EC2 tonight.

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sphery:

heh

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petefoo:

it tends to cause more pain then gain.

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sphery:

on the bright side, a config.xml -> mysql.txt converter should be easy to write :)

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petefoo:

yeah, that's a 1liner.

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sphery:

but, hey, pain is learning

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petefoo:

Indeed. That's why I keep on breaking things.

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clever_:

.

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sphery:

good point, clever_ :)

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Beirdo:

Hmmmm, I feel like pizza

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Beirdo:

but then I'll burn my mouth again

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Beirdo:

hehe

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petefoo:

Why is there an executable named html in git://mythtv/html/ ?

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wagnerrp:

something to do with the web server

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wagnerrp:

oh... some funky issue in qmake, it needs something to compile

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petefoo:

gotcha. Is it still proper to just copy from the git tree to update mythweb? or am I doing it wrong.

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Darksynz:

hello, Iá¸¿ using a 950q via svideo to capture video. I dont have sound though. I have component cables going to the 950q for sound

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wagnerrp:

you dont have component cabled plugged into your 950q, component cables dont do sound, and you shouldnt be capturing analog with a 950q

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wagnerrp:

component cables are the red-green-blue cables that deliver HD analog video to home theater equipment

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wagnerrp:

which the 950q does not support

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wagnerrp:

and the 950q is an analog framegrabber, which means it going to cause a lot of load to record off of, and will give you all sorts of troubles such as this sound issue youre having

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wagnerrp:

the recommended type of card for analog video is an mpeg encoder card

[04:34:10]

wagnerrp:

for PCI, you can get an old PVR-150 or -500, or a new HVR-1600

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wagnerrp:

for PCIe, you can get an HVR-2250

[04:34:27]

wagnerrp:

or for USB, you can get a PVR-USB2 or HVR-1950

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wagnerrp:

if youve got PCI slots available, you can generally pick up -150s used on ebay for ~$20

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[R]:

you could also use an hdpvr

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petefoo:

wagnerrp: that reminds me. I have a PVR-150 in my parts box. Is that even worth donating at this point?

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Darksynz:

sorry, not component cables but the red, white and yellow ones

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** [R] ducks **

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[R]:

hehe

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[R]:

Darksynz: then htat's not svideo

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wagnerrp:

yellow would be composite, red and white would just be RCA audio

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Darksynz:

I have both hooked up to it, svideo for video and tried the cables for audio

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[R]:

than you're not using the yellow one...

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wagnerrp:

petefoo: well if it works, you can usually sell it for $20 on ebay

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Darksynz:

no..

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Darksynz:

just the white and red for audio

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wagnerrp:

or theres people in here would would buy it off you for use with digital cable and a cable box

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Darksynz:

svideo cable for video

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Beirdo:

petefoo: or you can donate it to wagnerrp and he'll sell it for $20 on ebay :)

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wagnerrp:

although honestly, id recommend people just pick up a new -2250

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wagnerrp:

works in linux, plus its new, and not someone else's 5yr old cast offs

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petefoo:

Beirdo: As long as he buys you a beer with the proceeds, I'm all for it.

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wagnerrp:

(not cheap though, but then not really that expensive compared to other digital tuners)

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Beirdo:

heh, I have a keg in my fridge (soon 2), so I don't think I need one :)

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wagnerrp:

two? just how large is this fridge?

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Beirdo:

two 1/6 barrel kegs

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Beirdo:

not two 1/2 barrel ;)

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wagnerrp:

so... wannabe kegs

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wagnerrp:

thats no fun

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Beirdo:

6gal each

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Beirdo:

for one person, that's just fine

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Darksynz:

jeez, all my cards are ATI

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wagnerrp:

yeah, ATI is recommended against for linux video

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wagnerrp:

poor driver support

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wagnerrp:

newer cards are better with official drivers

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wagnerrp:

older cards are better with OSS drivers

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wagnerrp:

but theyre all glitchy

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wagnerrp:

nvidia, or at least intel, is preferred

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petefoo:

buy a 9800gtx

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wagnerrp:

ouch, no...

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wagnerrp:

hugely overkill

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petefoo:

worth more than my pvr-150

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Darksynz:

ok, I have some newer ones.. are there official drivers for linux?

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wagnerrp:

a little $25 GT210 is plenty for most peoples needs

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petefoo:

and the first one that I found that could run Advanced 2x @ 1920x1080@60Hz

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petefoo:

but that was a few years ago.

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wagnerrp:

any 9500gt would do it a few years ago

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petefoo:

the 9400 stuttered

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wagnerrp:

a gt210 wont, but a gt220 and gt430 will

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wagnerrp:

both somewhere around $50-$60

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petefoo:

I didn't get my hands on a 9500

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Darksynz:

looks like this card works fine with tvtime but tvtime sucks

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iamlindoro:

skd5aner, I think the HTML Setup could probably use its own heading-- simply making the whole project a single line-item misses a ton of detail about what it can do/what it's limitations are/etc.

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wagnerrp:

no, tvtime is designed for live viewing

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wagnerrp:

for its intended purpose, it works fine

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wagnerrp:

it just isnt a PVR

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Darksynz:

brb.. need to get this sound working.. iÄºl buy a new card in a couple of weeks

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petefoo:

gotcha. Is it still proper to just copy from the git tree to update mythweb? or am I doing it wrong.

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DarkSynz:

one more question.. I have a hauppauge wintv nova S

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DarkSynz:

will that work?

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[R]:

what does the linuxtv website say about it?

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DarkSynz:

i guess more specifically, its suppose to be for satellite .. im wondering if it will still work through my comcast box

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[R]:

does your comcast box output a satellite signal?

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DarkSynz:

its a cable box, but it shouldnt matter. I bet if i hooked it up with svideo i could get video

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DarkSynz:

im just wondering about the sound

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[R]:

i doubt a dvbs card has svideo input

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DarkSynz:

im looking at it

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DarkSynz:

it does have svideo. IÄºl try it with that and RF and see if i can get sound

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[R]:

rf?

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DarkSynz:

coax

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[R]:

what?

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DarkSynz:

I said im going to try it with svideo then coax

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DarkSynz:

see if i can find a way to get video and sound. since I cant find a way to get sound with the 950q

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[R]:

coax into a dvbs card from a cable box?

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DarkSynz:

its worth a try. Its not like ive been given many options here except buy a new card

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[R]:

right...

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DarkSynz:

i mean, Id love if i could just use my 950q and someone help me get sound

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[R]:

OR its a great way to waste hours of fun

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[R]:

since that makes absoultey no sense because...

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[R]:

[10:01:09] [R] does your comcast box output a satellite signal?

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DarkSynz:

ooook.. so how do i get sound working with my 950q

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DarkSynz:

which works.

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wagnerrp:

DarkSynz: the problem is that the majority of us avoid using such cards so we dont have to deal with such problems

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[R]:

use the right card for the job

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[R]:

that's what i always say

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DarkSynz:

i know, but its tough when you have 5 cards that work perfectly with winblows.. then come over to linux and nothing works

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wagnerrp:

well that depends on your definition of 'perfectly'

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DarkSynz:

well, sound and video is a good start.

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[R]:

dindt you say it worked in tvtime?

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wagnerrp:

but its still a hassle to record on any system

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wagnerrp:

simply put, framegrabbers are designed for viewing, not recording

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DarkSynz:

i read it did, but tvtime isnt what im looking for though. im using it for the mythtv functions like wmc

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[R]:

so its not a linux fault

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DarkSynz:

true

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DarkSynz:

ok

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Beirdo:

Yay, Cliff Lee... Complete Game... Shutout

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[R]:

so today at work i walked across the building with a bare board

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[R]:

when i got to my destination i was told that aparently i'm not allwoed to do taht

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Beirdo:

huh?

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Beirdo:

why not?

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[R]:

because you have to put it in a bag

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Beirdo:

why?

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[R]:

because of esd bulllshit

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Beirdo:

esd on a *bare* board? Gimme a break. (and watch the language)

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[R]:

not bare

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[R]:

there was shit on it

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[R]:

bare as in it wasn't protected

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Beirdo:

oooh, you might zap... a copper trace

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[R]:

chips and stuff

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Beirdo:

so it wasn't bare... then follow the ESD rules :)

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[R]:

i was like "its not like its a deliverable"

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[R]:

lol

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Beirdo:

yeah, but your paycheck ain't a deliverable either

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[R]:

haha

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Beirdo:

I woulda just said "oops, sorry, I won't do it again"

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Beirdo:

then go on with my business

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[R]:

thats basically what happened

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[R]:

i'm doing way too much hardware stuff for a software guy

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[R]:

it sucks

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

that's always fun

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Beirdo:

and leads to drinkin

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[R]:

but i did determine my usb to serial convertor is working... on the donwside... i still can't get shit coming out of my processor

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Beirdo:

come ON, language

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[R]:

lol

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Beirdo:

what kinda processor?

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[R]:

ti omapl138

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Beirdo:

so... ARM Cortex-A8?

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[R]:

a9 i belive

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Beirdo:

arm926

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Beirdo:

k

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Beirdo:

that would be a fun processor (well, dual processor, there's a DSP in there too)

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[R]:

i need to get a SPI interface and a UART interface working... and the SPI muxes with my ethernet, so i can't use the spi till i replace the ethernet, and the serial is replaicng the ethernet, so i need to get the serial working... not haivng much luck yet

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Beirdo:

getting the serial stuff working is always the hardest part

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[R]:

its got 3 and i have one working, but can't get a 2nd one working

[05:30:28]

Beirdo:

my latest annoyance is that my mass sensor... isn't working at all

[05:30:41]

Beirdo:

but I'm putting that off until after the weekend

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Beirdo:

camping's more fun

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[R]:

i once had this friend, who wanted me to let her know 2 weeks in advance if i would be driving 4 hours out of my way to come see her and go camping... and i told her i codun't tell her that far in advance

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[R]:

she got all pissed off and stopped talking to me

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[R]:

i dindt even want to go camping... but atleast i dindt tell her no flat out... i was contemplating it

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Beirdo:

jeez

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Beirdo:

I woulda gone

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Beirdo:

I drove from Ottawa to the Pinery to go camping.

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Beirdo:

about 8h drive IIRC

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[R]:

crazy

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Beirdo:

not at all, it was a great time

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Beirdo:

we were there for a week and a half

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[R]:

sleeping inside is more my thing

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Beirdo:

pfft

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Beirdo:

that was car camping.. with tents

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Beirdo:

as kids we'd take a trailer

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Beirdo:

camping is a great way to get away from all the work crap for a while

[05:35:12]

Beirdo:

and relax

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[R]:

i relax in my house

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[R]:

not worrying about being eaten by bugs or bears

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Beirdo:

never worried about either

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Beirdo:

worried about running outta booze

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Beirdo:

but that's about it

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[R]:

lol

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[R]:

oh ffs

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[R]:

is that stupid rio movie out this weekend

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Beirdo:

yes

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[R]:

i think my gf wants to see that garbage

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Beirdo:

*I* want to go watch it

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Beirdo:

but I'll wait a week

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Beirdo:

most movies are crap anyways

[05:39:56]

Beirdo:

but it beats being at work :)

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[R]:

lol

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Beirdo:

why the heck is Monster sending me search results from a search I deleted a year ago?

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Beirdo:

I'm not interested in moving back to PR

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[R]:

lol

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Beirdo:

especially to take a lower paid job...

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mycoDA:

diverdude – has it occured to you AT ALL that getting a new analog capture card could SAVE you money?

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mycoDA:

encoding from a framegrabber to compressed video for every single recording is a lot of CPU load, which equally is a lot of power used for nothing

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wagnerrp:

yeah, but on a modern chip, youre talking about maybe 20 percent load

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wagnerrp:

might be the equivalent of an extra 10W for the duration youre recording

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wagnerrp:

if youre running full load, and your machine would otherwise be in standby, that argument holds true

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wagnerrp:

but for standard definition framegrabbers, its more a nuisance than anything else

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wagnerrp:

now assuming your time is worth anything, you WILL save more by getting an mpeg encoder than wasting your time fiddling with a framegrabber

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Diverdude:

mycoDA, ehhh what?

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wagnerrp:

Diverdude: hes claiming that the power spent running the computer to compress those recordings in software, rather than hardware, is of consequence

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mycoDA:

your framegrabber card passes raw video to the system, the cpu has to then encode it to mpeg2 or it would fill the disk in no time

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mycoDA:

depending on your cpu that may (or may not) be a significant power use

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wagnerrp:

when youre talking HD content, recompressing to h264, on a machine that would otherwise be in standby or off... the power costs are about equivalent to what you would save in disk space

[06:12:08]

wagnerrp:

but when the machine is going to be on anyway, and standard definition mpeg4 is not tough these days, youre talking on the order of a few dozen cents a month at the most

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Diverdude:

wagnerrp, why is he telling me that?

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mycoDA:

sorry – wrong nick - :")

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wagnerrp:

because he meant it for DarkSynz who has since left

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mycoDA:

was a convo earlier – thought he had rejoined

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wagnerrp:

you just happened to be too close of a D name

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wagnerrp:

drive by evangelizing

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mycoDA:

has been a long and very painful (physically) day – i apologise for the mixup

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wagnerrp:

:)

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wagnerrp:

anyone around who uses mythmessage?

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wagnerrp:

trying to figure out just how the command line options function (so i can rewrite them)

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justinh:

maybe folks want to transcode their recordings because they feel they're not seeing enough macroblocks

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justinh:

well, maybe it's time to install git

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justinh:

or whatever the hell ubuntu calls it

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mycoDA:

git

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justinh:

git-core

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justinh:

so er, where are the on-page instructions on how to do a check out? :-\

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justinh:

git clone https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv.git

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justinh:

quite well hidden, in the wiki

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justinh:

first time I've used it, and I already hate git

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mycoDA:

i feel that way about gits in general

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justinh:

having to download the whole of the source, branches & all by the look of it

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justinh:

and *then* you can do a 'checkout' of the bit you actually want :-\

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justinh:

well if Linus likes it, that's good enough for everybody else. Bloody flavour of the month version control

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justinh:

"To use the release version, you can execute the following after completing the previous command. You are strongly encouraged to use the release version." "git checkout 0.24". Doesn't blimmin work, Albert

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justinh:

nor does "git checkout fixes/0.24"

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justinh:

ahh you have to cd first..

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justinh:

so, do the git clone, then cd to 'mythtv' or whatever... then do the git checkout. pfft

[07:49:00]

justinh:

gah. 1st person wiki articles

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justinh:

oh sack it. it can *stay* wrong

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justinh:

I should really stop reading Jono Bacon's blog. I can now clearly see where the 'commmunity' culture of entitlement is coming from

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justinh:

hey hey, the channel_ids file over at supplement.xmltv.org has been fixed

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wagnerrp:

apparently nintendo may be releasing a new console this month

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wagnerrp:

capable of achdee! wooo!

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mycoDA:

wow

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wagnerrp:

only five years late to the game

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mycoDA:

should make the wii cheap as

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mycoDA:

lets face it – it is fun

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wagnerrp:

i dont have to face it

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wagnerrp:

i can staunchly refuse

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mycoDA:

you kinda do if u wanna see what ur doin while u play it lol

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wagnerrp:

i earned the right to refuse to call it fun by driving around at 4am on release night, trying find controllers and nunchucks to make a full set

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** mycoDA doesnt understand why people do that sort o crud **

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wagnerrp:

pretty much the only thing we played were the packaged sports game, and then only when there was a group there

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justinh:

our wii at home is collecting dust

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justinh:

stupid piece of crap

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wagnerrp:

played more gamecube games on it than wii games

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wagnerrp:

the xbox got far more play

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justinh:

bleep bloop blip bloop bleep bleep bloop bloop.. as it 'prints' text on the screen

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justinh:

GRRR

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wagnerrp:

and the ps3 got more play from ps2 games alone than the wii

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mycoDA:

lol

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wagnerrp:

i think my roommate put more time into ff12 after his ps2 died than the wii was ever used

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wagnerrp:

no, those 'active' games are only fun when you have multiple people over

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wagnerrp:

and for all other purposes, all that movement is a gimmick that gets old

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justinh:

new studies say brain training is pretty much useless, and wii fit is a load of hokey

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wagnerrp:

if i wanted to exercise, i would friggen go to the gym, or the track

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justinh:

also, the 'computer voice' on the wii fit stuff is enough to make me want to throw the remote through the tv

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mycoDA:

but yet, group stuff is great

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wagnerrp:

group stuff is great, when you have a group

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justinh:

yup

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wagnerrp:

and sometimes when you have a group, you just dont want to be screwing around with a video game

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justinh:

yup

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justinh:

like when I turn up to a party & they bring out singstar or whatever. I leave

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wagnerrp:

you know, i understood guitar hero

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wagnerrp:

you have a controller, you press buttons

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wagnerrp:

same as always

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mycoDA:

u go to partys justinh?

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wagnerrp:

rockband with the drums, djhero with turntables... didnt make much sense

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wagnerrp:

but singing? why?

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justinh:

hey, I party

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justinh:

admittedly much less often than I used to

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justinh:

but even before we had a kid, a bunch of people all smoking in one room kinda put me off.. then group 'games' came along

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justinh:

hashbang: http://supplement.xmltv.org/tv_grab_uk_rt/channel_ids

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hashbang:

justinh: ah, it's gone

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hashbang:

justinh: thanks for the heads up

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hashbang:

justinh: and my script is doing the right thing, yay!

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justinh:

mycoDA: why you ask anyway? Do I strike you as the kind of person who doesn't drink/know how to enjoy myself? :-P

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justinh:

actually looking forward to going to a proper club for the first time this year next weekend. Hacienda reunion thing

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justinh:

can't wait to hear/feel the Phazon sound system again :D

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justinh:

a pox on Molex and their 'picoblade' connectors

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justinh:

gah. our supplier of cables has come up short, so muggins has to make some. 0.125" spacing crimp connectors. Arghh

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justinh:

oops 1.25mm spacing

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justinh:

teeny tiny ickle crimps

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mycoDA:

didnt get the impression u didnt party m8, jus that you wouldnt really be the kind that goes to parties

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justinh:

no stereotyping allowed

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mycoDA:

lol – cant really be accused of that

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justinh:

totally depends on the party

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mycoDA:

no little about you except that part of your personality you project here

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justinh:

I'm nothing like as irritable as I may seem here

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mycoDA:

rofl

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mycoDA:

ditto

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justinh:

ok well maybe a little bit..

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mycoDA:

cept when i am uber sore

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justinh:

don't party anything like I used to, which is kinda sad. A while ago I resorted to going clubbing on my *own* cos my friends were all bound for the last train at 11

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justinh:

stupid lame lamers

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justinh:

I dunno which is more sad, them going home early or me going to a club by myself lol

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justinh:

mycoDA: arthur rities? My mother in law had rheumatoid arth really bad. Stopped fighting it in the end. Absolutely tragic

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mycoDA:

sort of – ehlers danlos syndrome

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justinh:

ouch

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justinh:

hmm do you still need to install a compiled mythtv before doing the plugins?

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justinh:

worth a go anyway

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justinh:

hmmmnope

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deegan:

Alrighty well, my DVB-S problems where related to *drumroll*... The dish had been moved a tinsy winsy bit.

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deegan:

Now, since the problem occured i have been rescanning and whatnot and i made a backup of the DB before i started doing that, how do i get everything back to how it was? "ERROR: Unable to do a full restore. The database contains data." do i need to drop it?

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justinh:

yup

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justinh:

or else edit the backup sql

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deegan:

k so droping the DB and running that script is the way to do it, and "that script" = mythconverg_restore.pl

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justinh:

I thought the script would take care of all that

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deegan:

Me too, but it doesnt. i just get that error.

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justinh:

maybe it depends how you got the db backup

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justinh:

IIRC you can get it to do a IF database/table exists ... bit

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justinh:

which it then puts in the resulting sql file

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justinh:

ruh? company supplying software for EPGs on consumer STBs are looking for an experienced PERL dev

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justinh:

"The world's

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justinh:

leading supplier of royalty free EPG supply feature rich 3rd generation EPGs that combine a recommendation engine and a media browser to enable viewers to navigate content from linear TV and the Internet. Our revolutionary platform supports IP

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justinh:

connectivity, widget style TV-Apps and advanced EPG applications even on today's entry level products. The company pioneered the development of small footprint interactive TV platforms and EPGs. Our technology is deployed across over nine million DTT

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justinh:

pfttt.. in CHESHIRE. Cheshire is NOT within 30 miles of Newcastle. Dumb job site

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Belboz9999:

Hey all, having a ton of disk-thrashing with Mythbackend, biggest error in mythbackend.log reads: DVBSM(/dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0), Warning: Can not measure Signal Strength

[12:38:24]

Belboz9999:

eno: Invalid argument (22)

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justinh:

no signal measurement in the DVB driver huh? Ouchy

[12:39:22]

justinh:

best we see more of the log though

[12:39:26]

justinh:

like in a pastebin

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mycoDA:

wow – what tuner is that? :S

[12:40:19]

justinh:

might be related to a bunch of stuff, like the device not existing, already being in use...

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justinh:

let more experienced folks peek at the whole log :)

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Belboz9999:

okay, I reinstalled mythbackend and purged it's config files, but I can't even configure it properly because of this error which shows up in both mythtv-frontend and the mythtv-backend configuration

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Belboz9999:

Error: MythTV database has newer TV schema (1264) than expected (1254)

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mycoDA:

oh dear

[12:44:00]

justinh:

ooo sounds like mixed versions

[12:44:04]

Belboz9999:

this error has been there for a few days, I think it might have been triggered by an update

[12:44:11]

mycoDA:

sorta

[12:44:17]

Belboz9999:

I'm running Ubuntu 10.10

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Belboz9999:

64bit

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mycoDA:

you had a more recent version than you are trying to install

[12:44:29]

justinh:

people don't do automagical unattended updates do they?

[12:44:41]

Belboz9999:

:P

[12:45:06]

Belboz9999:

it wasn't completely automagical, I initiatied it through the CLI

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mycoDA:

i dont – i get it synaptic to fetch it all and then apt-get to install it while i am there

[12:45:20]

justinh:

1. reinstalling something like this won't solve anything

[12:45:29]

Belboz9999:

but I didn't sit there and examine every diff of every conf file or anything either :P

[12:45:45]

justinh:

2. all mythtv's config stuff is held in the mysql database

[12:45:57]

justinh:

the only config files are there to say where the database lives :)

[12:46:13]

Belboz9999:

justinh: should I purge the database?

[12:46:33]

justinh:

unless you can reinstall the same version you were using before

[12:46:39]

Belboz9999:

or is there some sort of scalpel-like purging I should do to the database?

[12:46:57]

justinh:

it's not wise to try & revert schema versions

[12:46:58]

Belboz9999:

I honestly have no idea how that happened

[12:47:08]

justinh:

switched repos recently?

[12:47:12]

mycoDA:

do you have a database backup?

[12:47:15]

Belboz9999:

so, purging the database is the order of the day?

[12:47:30]

justinh:

Belboz9999: depends. what do you stand to lose if you do?

[12:47:38]

Belboz9999:

justinh: I don't think I have, except I upgraded from 10.04 to 10.10 a few months back

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mycoDA:

cos you know – you always do the right thing and do a backup before upgrade

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mycoDA:

are you on the mythbuntu ppa?

[12:48:07]

justinh:

running a newer version of mythtv than a previous install will always back up the db for you

[12:48:16]

Belboz9999:

justinh: not much I imagine, have to spend another 10 minutes reconfiguring setup, and probably take it a while to bring in all the meta data of my media directorires

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justinh:

right. that'll be the most painless way then

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justinh:

if it was me, I'd end up losing loads of recordings, schedules etc

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justinh:

if I didn't already take a daily backup :D

[12:50:27]

Belboz9999:

okay, which of the db's do I need to purge? I see information_schema (28), mythconverg (99), mythtv

[12:50:34]

justinh:

mythconverg

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Belboz9999:

okay, mythconverg db dropped

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Belboz9999:

seems to allow me to configure it in the GUI (finally!)

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justinh:

as for those strange messages in the log... they look serious

[12:54:15]

justinh:

either the tuner driver you're using doesn't support reading signal quality, or there's something else wrong like the device has disappeared

[12:54:43]

justinh:

just to reiterate: reinstalling mythtv wouldn't fix that

[12:54:54]

Belboz9999:

gotcha

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justinh:

what tuner card are we talking about here?

[12:55:11]

Belboz9999:

is there someway I can easily recreate a default mythconvrg db?

[12:55:25]

Belboz9999:

it's a Hauppage, let me check the model #

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justinh:

you mean once you've got yours into a working state? BACK IT UP! ;-)

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justinh:

the default state of the mythconverg database is what you see the very first time you run mythtv-setup with a fresh database

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Belboz9999:

justinh: can't seem to find the box, it's one of the lower-end models, dual-tuning with digital reception over the air

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Belboz9999:

justinh: mythtv-setup seems to be having an issue connecting to the db, which I think might be because mythconverg no longer exists

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justinh:

yes

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justinh:

create database mythconverg etc etc etc

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Belboz9999:

right, what settings should I use for creating mythconverg?

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justinh:

sudo dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-database ?

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Belboz9999:

that's what I was looking for!

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justinh:

that's a *guess* too!

[13:06:54]

Belboz9999:

justinh: when configuring mythtv-setup, in the IP address, how does that work i I want remote access?

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justinh:

remote, meaning WHAT exactly?

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Belboz9999:

my PC acts as a webserver, so it's accessible by a domain name?

[13:07:17]

justinh:

remote as in a different room in your house?

[13:07:23]

justinh:

oh dear God no

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Belboz9999:

remote as in over a WAN

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justinh:

NO NO NO NO NO NO NO

[13:07:35]

justinh:

and NO

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Belboz9999:

the ip is dynamic though

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Belboz9999:

okay :P

[13:07:57]

justinh:

mythtv is not hardened, and it would NOT be a great idea to put a mythtv backend on the internet

[13:08:04]

Belboz9999:

over the LAN then, just use a traditional 192.168.x.x ?

[13:08:12]

Belboz9999:

lol

[13:08:12]

justinh:

yes

[13:08:32]

Belboz9999:

there is a package for that kind of capability though, isn't there?

[13:08:51]

Belboz9999:

I think it was like mythweb, been a while since I've tried it

[13:09:31]

justinh:

that's not the same thing as putting mythbackend on the internet

[13:11:52]

justinh:

no, those spaces in mythtv-setup – for IP addresses or hostnames (in the case where you have working name resolution on your network) are for the LAN address of the backend machine and the database machine

[13:12:17]

justinh:

er.. I mean master backend machine & the address of the backend you're running mythtv-setup on

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justinh:

if both addresses/hostnames are the same mythbackend will assume it's the master & run as such

[13:12:42]

Belboz9999:

cool

[13:12:54]

justinh:

if both addresses are 127.0.0.1 it'll assume it's a standalone master backend

[13:13:02]

Belboz9999:

my Mythtv box is also our LAN's Router and AP :P

[13:13:15]

Belboz9999:

as well as webserver for 4 personal websites

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justinh:

as in – no frontend on the network will be able to connect to it & use it

[13:13:21]

Belboz9999:

and email server

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mycoDA:

ouch – set up ur iptables well

[13:13:56]

Belboz9999:

yeah, I use arno-iptables-firewall, makes the scripting WAY easier :P

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mycoDA:

anything on the WAN trying to get to the myth ports – drop it like its hot lol

[13:14:11]

Scopeuk:

iamlindoro, relating to the signal issue i was talking to you about a week or so ago (the over ammped multi family dweling) i've got one of my old dvb tunners going as a second on the box and that one seams to cope, attenuator boosted my signal noise on some of the other channels though so thats a start

[13:14:21]

Belboz9999:

I mean, we've got 2 subnets (one Wireless and one Wired) both being routed through the server, which is acting as the LAN's gateway and firewall

[13:14:37]

Scopeuk:

damn meant to use backspace not send, wanted to fix the typos :(

[13:14:51]

justinh:

why do people bother running email & web at home? :-\

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Belboz9999:

yeah, arno's only letting in a few ports, and most of my services such as SSH and FTP have been moved to alternate ports

[13:15:22]

Scopeuk:

justinh, why not? if you have the resource available why not use it

[13:15:45]

Belboz9999:

I use it at home so I can affix my personal domain name to my emails, which looks more professional from a business POV

[13:15:48]

justinh:

I don't want people using my broadband bandwidth to look at my things

[13:16:20]

justinh:

you can do that for not much more than it costs to own a domain name anyway

[13:16:24]

Belboz9999:

IE, I can have the email addy : dan@dansscans.com so that it makes a nice clean contact address for prospective customers

[13:16:36]

Scopeuk:

justinh, does need to be a public web server

[13:16:38]

justinh:

you can do that with an external host too

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Scopeuk:

doesn't

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Belboz9999:

external hosts cost $$, and they are a bit harder to maintain

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justinh:

Scopeuk: so? I toyed with putting our baby photos on a server here.. was stupidly slow

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Belboz9999:

my personal web gallery has about 5,000 images on it for instance :P

[13:17:17]

justinh:

no, external hosts cost $

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Scopeuk:

justinh, yeh uk connections have pitiful upload

[13:17:42]

Scopeuk:

justinh, for what it matters i prefer out of house hosting too, I have a vps for that, nice an easy nice and cheap

[13:17:43]

justinh:

anyhoo...

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Belboz9999:

I think I've got about 30GB of photos on my web gallery alone

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justinh:

I'm starting to rally against web albums anyway

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Belboz9999:

most of them are rendered in a imagemagik'ed downscaled version

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justinh:

I tried gallery3. it was 'ok' but sucks compared to picasa

[13:18:46]

justinh:

but picasa sucks cos you can't get to the full res photos

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Belboz9999:

but the neat thing is that if I want to obtain a full size image of anything, I can simply login as admin and dl it

[13:18:51]

straterra:

Is it possible to do ripping or Blu-ray/DVD watching from a frontend?

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justinh:

straterra: no ripping from mythfrontend

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Belboz9999:

and I have complete control over the quality level of compression used in the downscale, the amount of sharpening, etc

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straterra:

What about playing?

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justinh:

straterra: dvd playback, fine

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Belboz9999:

http://dansphotos.org that's my gallery

[13:19:37]

straterra:

No blu-ray playback from the frontend?

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justinh:

bluray.. has to be decypted first

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straterra:

ah

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straterra:

I see

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justinh:

blame the DRM

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straterra:

I do

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Belboz9999:

but there's a LOT more that are not visible without proper credentials

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Belboz9999:

family and relatives, etc

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justinh:

Belboz9999: our family still deal in snail mail

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straterra:

I'll just share the front end's optical drive via iscsi for ripping then

[13:20:34]

straterra:

I dont wanna run to the basement every time I want to rip something

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justinh:

straterra: windows only, the blueray ripping, so I'm led to believe

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justinh:

bluray, even

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** justinh will not be investing anytime soon :-) **

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straterra:

justinh: Yeah...thats fine. I don't own any blu-ray disks or drives yet...just planning

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justinh:

more people should act likewise

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JEDIDIAH__:

those who have broken bluray encryption have been less willing to share.

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justinh:

oh noes! nobody is buying our new disk format with its stinking DRM

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justinh:

mind, they'd likely still blame it on the pirates

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JEDIDIAH__:

companies like Disney are constantly screwing around with alternate forms of copy protection above and beyond CSS.

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mycoDA:

pretty sure bluray ripping is working under linux justinh, straterra

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JEDIDIAH__:

I think linux BD ripping is somewhat incomplete.

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justinh:

is it? whoop de do

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justinh:

looking fwd to giving the next person who buys me a movie disc a lecture :D

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JEDIDIAH__:

you must be real fun at parties...

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justinh:

some people I know happen to agree with me :-)

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justinh:

family, on the other hand.. sheesh

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straterra:

Well..I just would like to watch the bluray movies from a frontend...thats all :P

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justinh:

I've got countless box sets of TV shows on DVD.. shows I used to love as a kid.. but er.. a few years later in the cold light of day.. I mean come on.. The Pink Panther cartoons? OMG.. CRAP

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Belboz9999:

it's kind of ironic really, Sony puts a ton of DRM in the tech, which demands you have a qualified monitor, video-card, cable, OS, and optical drive

[13:26:56]

JEDIDIAH__:

I'm not sure a lot of people outside of geek circles are terribly interested/aware in terms of BluRay.

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justinh:

I found it hilarious reading the player reviews though

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justinh:

OMG.. "playback started in a remarkably swift TWO MINUTES and ten seconds"

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Belboz9999:

if you can't afford all that, it's much simpler to download a torrent and watch it, regardless of what OS, monitor, video card, calble, or optical drive you have :P

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Scopeuk:

people arn't interested until it makes their life more difficult

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mycoDA:

jedidiah – funny you should bring up parties

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Scopeuk:

even then they'll blame it on something else

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JEDIDIAH__:

someone mentioned presents.

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straterra:

bluray load times are freaking terrible

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justinh:

and FWIW sometimes I know when to keep my mouth shut ;-)

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justinh:

when I don't mind sounding like an opinionated asshat... I let rip :)

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JEDIDIAH__:

You know. I have never experienced a BluRay in it's original form for myself.

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mycoDA:

ur good at it i must say

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mycoDA:

lol :P

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justinh:

when was the last time I watched a movie & didn't want that part of my life back that it robbed? ;-)

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JEDIDIAH__:

2 minutes to start a recording.... eek.

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justinh:

tbh I can't remember

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JEDIDIAH__:

I think I will give my "grumpy old man" title to justin now.

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Belboz9999:

I have actually played a Blu-Ray ISO that I torrented on VLC in Linux, streaming from some other app that can decode the stuff

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justinh:

and I just have to see or hear the words "must see" and it becomes my life's mission to deliberately avoid itr

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Belboz9999:

that's probably as close to watching an actual blu-ray as I'll get :P

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mycoDA:

:O nooooo not torrentz!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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mycoDA:

u will be frowned uppon most mightily in here lol

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Belboz9999:

hmm, I think it was one of those Open Source movies

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justinh:

better had been too

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justinh:

anything else is against channel rules

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Belboz9999:

lol, there are some really good Open Source movies out there

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Belboz9999:

what was the last one I watched?

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justinh:

yeah, like Elephant's Dream

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justinh:

or er.. the Time Vampire

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straterra:

open source? You can download their vegas files or something?

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Scopeuk:

wasent elephants dream blender?

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justinh:

oh yeah my dad had that stupid 'Inception' last time I visited. Oh man

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justinh:

amazing FX though

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justinh:

just a pity about literally everything else

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mycoDA:

gone PD you mean?

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Belboz9999:

damn, it gets a signal log, and then it logs me out for some random reason :P

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Belboz9999:

signal *lock*

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justinh:

you mean X crashes

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mycoDA:

i do seem to download a lot of linux distros using deluge

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Belboz9999:

yep

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justinh:

bin the ATI graphics card :-)

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mycoDA:

ati make great gpus – pity they are so damn bad at drivers

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Belboz9999:

it's an Nvidia card

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Belboz9999:

GTX240 IIRC

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justinh:

Belboz9999: with nvidia (not nv) drivers?

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Belboz9999:

<unknown>: Fatal IO error 104 (Connection reset by peer) on X server :0.0.

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Belboz9999:

<unknown>: Fatal IO error 11 (Resource temporarily unavailable) on X server :0.0.

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Belboz9999:

justinh: driver = "nvidia"

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justinh:

ooo

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mycoDA:

distro?

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Belboz9999:

those errors were from mythtv-frontend.log

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Belboz9999:

distro is Ubuntu 10.10 64bit

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mycoDA:

did you download the nvidia driver from nvidia, or use the one in the repos?

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Belboz9999:

mycoDA: repo's, I believe

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mycoDA:

cool – there is an incompatibility with the upstream nvidia installer

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mycoDA:

try nvidia-xconfig?

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straterra:

Do any of you run virtualized backends?

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Belboz9999:

okay, just ran that, will check now

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Belboz9999:

straterra: not that I know of

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straterra:

I was thinking it wouldn't be hard if you used network tuners or virtualization that could pass tuner cards (ESX, Xen)

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justinh:

no sane person runs mythbackend in a VM

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Belboz9999:

what's ticking me off is that when X crashes on this rig GDM becomes non-responsive to mouse / keyboard input :P

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straterra:

Err, why? If I have a beefy server that I want to segregate out..

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justinh:

straterra: nothing to stop you running other things in their own VMs

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Belboz9999:

at that point, I can't even switch to a TTY session, because it won't accept keyboard input

[13:47:35]

justinh:

but putting mythtv in a VM.. utterly pointless

[13:47:46]

Belboz9999:

so I end up using ssh from another machine on the LAN

[13:47:48]

straterra:

justinh: if you want to run a 'desktop' virtualization product...yes

[13:48:00]

justinh:

no, still pointless

[13:48:08]

straterra:

Why so?

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phanohanover:

Hey guys, quiky question: running 2 BE and several FE... My upnp server is not updating video database when adding new files? running 0.24 Any suggestion?

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justinh:

because there's no NEED to run it in such an environment

[13:48:58]

phanohanover:

ps: mythvideo works 100% well

[13:49:24]

phanohanover:

how can I update upnp video collection manually?

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mycoDA:

so the fact it has no security at all wouldnt be a reason justinh?

[13:50:00]

justinh:

not for me, no

[13:50:16]

mycoDA:

so?

[13:50:21]

justinh:

the fact it's not designed to run in a VM.. the fact it's hard to pass most hardware into a VM...

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phanohanover:

anyone has an idea how to update UPNP manually?

[13:51:03]

justinh:

running mythtv in a VM won't necessarily make it secure, nor more stable, nor anything else

[13:51:23]

straterra:

That's not the point of virtualizing it

[13:51:33]

justinh:

it's also not known for being a resource hog

[13:51:54]

straterra:

It's so that I don't have to purchase 2 physical peices of hardware when I have a perfectly fast server that is already virtualized

[13:52:07]

justinh:

so just run mythtv.. not virtualised

[13:52:15]

justinh:

easier

[13:52:17]

justinh:

simpler

[13:52:20]

straterra:

MythTV doesn't run on ESX..

[13:52:29]

straterra:

So..I'd have to buy another peice of hardware

[13:52:32]

justinh:

and also doesn't need a 'fast' server

[13:52:38]

straterra:

I know

[13:52:54]

justinh:

you could, with USB (ugh!) or network tuners.. sure

[13:53:09]

straterra:

I could do it with PCI/PCI-Express tuners too

[13:53:09]

mycoDA:

nothing wrong with usb of course

[13:53:24]

justinh:

straterra: assuming you had working drivers, etc

[13:53:27]

straterra:

I've passed PCI/PCI-Express cards through ESX numerous times

[13:53:37]

straterra:

justinh: All that I would need are the drivers for the guest OS

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GreyFoxx:

No glitches? I've been wary of that

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justinh:

fine, if you *have* to do that

[13:53:45]

straterra:

ESX doesn't need drivers to do pass-through

[13:54:10]

justinh:

but for most mortals, virtualising for the very sake of it (becuz all the cool kidz do).. is stupid :-)

[13:54:26]

straterra:

Well..thats not why I'd be doing it

[13:54:36]

justinh:

welcome to being the exception here then :-)

[13:54:40]

GreyFoxx:

For a month my master backend was a vmware virtual (hardware failure and I restored to a vmware instance while getting the new MB)

[13:54:50]

GreyFoxx:

BUT it had no PCI devices to worry about

[13:54:52]

mycoDA:

shows it can pay not to jump to conlusions and onto a soap box

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justinh:

majority of people I've seen ask here about it have only ever said because they can

[13:54:59]

straterra:

I'd be doing it because I already HAVE a server thats virtualized and doing other tasks...and I could easily use it without purchasing anything new but tuners

[13:55:01]

justinh:

mycoDA: shut up

[13:55:31]

justinh:

another case of where if something was explained better at the outset...

[13:55:44]

justinh:

anyway, seems we're competing for dagmar's old spot

[13:55:51]

justinh:

not a place I ever wanted to be

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straterra:

Hey wait...dagmar frequented here too?

[13:56:26]

justinh:

mr D'Surreal? yup

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GreyFoxx:

he was here for years

[13:56:47]

straterra:

That's the Dropline/Slackware guy

[13:56:51]

GreyFoxx:

yeah

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justinh:

also a fellow VM skeptic :)

[13:57:08]

straterra:

I haven't seen him around ##slackware in..years?

[13:57:50]

justinh:

anyway, there are plenty of people who rattle on about doing stuff in VMs just because they can.. and in those cases it's not necessarily a good idea. It's possible, under the right conditions.. maybe.. and YMMV. Big style

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** mycoDA just doesnt understand why you couldnt start with that **

[13:58:48]

mycoDA:

it is cleare, reasoned, intelligent, insightful

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justinh:

Grrr. wife has SMSd me saying the local free rag is reporting a paedo has been jailed – he lived about 200 yards away from our house. Oh noes! "SO?" I reply. "well, we walk the dog there in the morning, and when I go to pick up the dog poo, I have to leave the pushchair for maybe a minute".. OH NOES!

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justinh:

christ, talk about irrational

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mycoDA:

pretty much the only people to worry about are your family and close friends :( is sad

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justinh:

yeah – but that level of FEAR.. is that really rational?

[14:00:50]

mycoDA:

nope – they are the current day witshes, or commies

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mycoDA:

*witches

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justinh:

I never want to be the kind of parent who immediately leaps to the conclusion the frickin child catcher has got their kid when they're 5 minutes late from school

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mycoDA:

god i hope i never am

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mycoDA:

so many biiger things to worry about

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justinh:

yup

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justinh:

did they look before crossing, more likely ;)

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mycoDA:

not that parents dont worry entirely too much already these days

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justinh:

well, that's gonna be an interesting discussion when I get home

[14:06:25]

Scopeuk:

my how i've missed the off topic ramblings in here

[14:06:29]

justinh:

too bad he's already in prison, I maybe could've helped form a posse & burn him out

[14:06:52]

justinh:

or whatever my other half would see as a reasonable thing to do ;)

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mycoDA:

pitchforks at the ready, lets compare his weight to a feather

[14:07:27]

mycoDA:

if he is lighter he is a pedo, if he is heaver he will drown and be saved anyway

[14:08:24]

justinh:

that's Conservative justice at work, right there

[14:09:06]

justinh:

so glad the OT police aren't round here much

[14:09:29]

justinh:

mycoDA: anyhoo, hang around a few more years & see how jaded or not you get ;-)

[14:09:44]

justinh:

I should by all rights pack in IRC once & for good

[14:10:01]

justinh:

it does nothing to enlighten me, nothing for my temper..

[14:10:04]

mycoDA:

been around a few, jus not here ;)

[14:10:16]

mycoDA:

mostly forums i will admit, and lists

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justinh:

I mean here

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mycoDA:

i understand

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** Scopeuk feels he may have contributed more than his fair share to justinh's tempter **

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mycoDA:

have done my share o helping the n00bly

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mycoDA:

lol

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justinh:

how did Uni go, Scopeuk ?

[14:11:13]

Scopeuk:

pretty good thanks justinh

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Scopeuk:

got my degree 2:2 which is not so good but i'm working professionally in field based off it which is cool

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Scopeuk:

to scare alot of you i now work on control software for large civil jet engines

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** justinh vows never to fly again **

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Scopeuk:

;)

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justinh:

oh wait.. no.. too limiting

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justinh:

Scopeuk: anyway, maybe fair to say I found some of your schemes a bit hair-brained ;)

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Belboz9999:

okay, back (breakfast)

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Scopeuk:

yeh i was to say the least a kid

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Belboz9999:

any further ideas?

[14:15:06]

justinh:

so where was I? hmmm

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mycoDA:

if it is any consolation justinh – i used to be called the 'grandaddy of deaktops forum' – prolly known as that grumpy bastard now

[14:15:32]

justinh:

Belboz9999: X crashing horribly? Hmm...

[14:16:04]

justinh:

I just don't like being called on every little thing.. just assume most things I say are based on opinion :P

[14:16:43]

mycoDA:

i get that – just – doesnt come across – esp on a place where people come for help

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justinh:

a lot of stuff doesn't come across on IRC

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justinh:

Sigh. And now apparently I don't care for the safety of our child. FGS

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justinh:

I hope she's winding me up

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Scopeuk:

justinh, i don't envy that conversation this evening

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mycoDA:

oh god – that is not a good place justinh

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justinh:

yeah well.. as I said earlier I know when to turn it down

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justinh:

but there's a limit

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mycoDA:

damned if you do, damned if you dont

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mycoDA:

should u put on the episode of southpark on pedos?

[14:21:32]

mycoDA:

one of the best commetaries on the whole situation i have seen

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justinh:

the super adventurer guys?

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justinh:

where chef was one of them?

[14:22:14]

justinh:

that had me in tears

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mycoDA:

no, the one where the kids end up with the mongols

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mycoDA:

cos 1st they lock em in to keep em safe from strangers

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justinh:

doesn't ring a bell. we get new ones here sometimes but the channel they're shown on only ever do generic descriptions

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mycoDA:

then they keep em from adult friends cos they are the bigger risk

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mycoDA:

then they kick em out cos the biggest risk is their own parents

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justinh:

heh

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justinh:

Super Adventure Club was good still though

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mycoDA:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_Abduction_Is_Not_Funny

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justinh:

heheh

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justinh:

looks like another classic

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mycoDA:

definitely is

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mycoDA:

god good news week is funny

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ke^:

Any else having problem with 2 dvb-t cards and recording. I get this error that records block each other but they are recorded or used to recorded with separate dvb-t cards and from separate channel-bunch

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Belboz9999:

interesting, I've now got (4) 0byte files in the livetv directory of mythtv recordings

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mycoDA:

tuner failing normally

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Belboz9999:

okay, there's something "odd" with mythtv-setup

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Belboz9999:

in the Video Source setup, if I select "EIT" for the Listings Grabber, there is no way to select "finish"

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justinh:

odd?

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mycoDA:

eit is evil

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Belboz9999:

instead, I keep on seeing info on "run xmltv configure command."

[14:41:07]

Belboz9999:

granted, it's not the best solution, but there's really only one program I'm interested in over the air, and it can be scheduled manually, same time every night

[14:41:25]

Belboz9999:

but that's no excuse for the setup dialog to be glitched this badly

[14:41:50]

justinh:

there have been known problems about the lower buttons not being shown in some instances

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Belboz9999:

I'm wondering what will happen if I use the hot-key, Alt+F

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justinh:

like, when the program is run on a silly resolution

[14:42:21]

Belboz9999:

seems to have done it

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Belboz9999:

justinh: the lower buttons were shown, I simply could not activate them via keyboard, without using the Alt+F hotkey

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justinh:

oh lost focus

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Belboz9999:

so, before I thought I had switched the listing data to what I needed, but instead it was on something entirely different than I was familiar with

[14:44:16]

Belboz9999:

Works!!!

[14:44:47]

Belboz9999:

damn, I need a new antenna

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hashbang:

justinh: https://www.bbc.co.uk/labuk/experiments/risk/

[14:45:02]

Belboz9999:

car drives by... video tuner looses signal :P

[14:45:31]

justinh:

er.. sign in with your BBC ID? LOL

[14:46:13]

Belboz9999:

oh, wait

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justinh:

oh hahaha found a link to the story – not the local rag though.. this bloke was allegedly known as "the pied piper" due to him always having kids around.. and PARENTS TRUSTED HIM. Oh dead Lordy

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Belboz9999:

might have been one station in particular

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Belboz9999:

I just tried tuning to WREX 13 and it crashed X again

[14:47:06]

Belboz9999:

I had changed the starting channel to 17 to see if that might have been it

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justinh:

using VDPAU by any chance?

[14:47:22]

hashbang:

justinh: might be an interesting exercise when the conversation cools down. :-)

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Belboz9999:

justinh: VDPAU?

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justinh:

Belboz9999: yes VDPAU

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hashbang:

justinh: my OH gets irrationally upset about me using food after the Best Before (not 'Use By') date... :-]

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justinh:

heh

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mycoDA:

video decode and presentation api for unix

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mycoDA:

VDPAU

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Belboz9999:

justinh: I understand it's an acroynm, what's it for, where is it found in the setup dialog?

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mycoDA:

playback settings

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justinh:

it's enabled in video playback profiles..

[14:48:40]

justinh:

in playback settings :)

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Belboz9999:

fixed!

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Belboz9999:

I just changed the profile to "High Quality"

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justinh:

what was it before?

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Belboz9999:

justinh: CPU+

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Belboz9999:

wow, this wind storm is really not helping with signal integrity

[14:52:45]

Belboz9999:

we've got an active Wind Advisory until 9PM CDT

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Belboz9999:

20–30MPH winds with 45MPH gusts

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justinh:

prolly wobbling the antenna just a bit then ;)

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Belboz9999:

the signal's being really unstable :(

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Belboz9999:

antenna's on the inside :P

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Belboz9999:

it's propped up in front of our living-room picture window

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Belboz9999:

on the sill

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justinh:

lol

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justinh:

maybe blowing the mast around a bit then ;-)

[14:54:47]

justinh:

the transmitting mast I mean

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Belboz9999:

hmm, possible

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justinh:

or stuff in the way ;-)

[14:55:15]

Belboz9999:

could also be all the tree branches causing scatter to the signal

[14:55:20]

justinh:

you know, trailers whirling around in the sky...

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Belboz9999:

lol

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Belboz9999:

my parents remember the Belividere tornado of 1969

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Belboz9999:

the one that ripped through the high school parking lot as the buses were being loaded

[14:56:24]

Belboz9999:

they remember seeing all this stuff that looked like papers from an office building flying around

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Belboz9999:

then they realized they were all garage doors

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justinh:

oof

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Belboz9999:

I think the adjustments I made to the antenna have helped, it's watchable now :P

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mycoDA:

my aunt's dog learnt to fly in darwin 2 days before i was born

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justinh:

time to hit the road, head home, and have *that* conversation

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Belboz9999:

spread the ears mostly

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mycoDA:

rabbit ears????

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Belboz9999:

yep!

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Belboz9999:

gotta love digital signals coming in over a 10+ year old rabbit ear antenna :P

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mycoDA:

i had a yagi hangin from the ceiling for a while

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devinheitmueller:

Yeah, for close range a $10 set of Radio Shack rabbit ears worked fine for me.

[14:59:52]

mycoDA:

10 element with reflector

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mycoDA:

this was all fo about $30 iirc

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Belboz9999:

mine's got one of those loops between the ears, and a dial to adjust the signal

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mycoDA:

you an aussie belboz9999

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mycoDA:

?

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Belboz9999:

USA

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devinheitmueller:

The loop is for UHF.

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Belboz9999:

IIRC, it should be able to accept A/C input to amplify the signal, but I can't seem to find the A/C adapter

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Belboz9999:

ah, IIRC one of our local stations is UHF, the rest are VHF

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Belboz9999:

although, I suppose that no longer applies with digital

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devinheitmueller:

Belboz9999: you would be surprised: many digital channels will be on UHF, even though they have channel numbers like "5.1"

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mycoDA:

for some reason i thought u said something about dvb lol

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Belboz9999:

but the loop still makes a difference, must have been interfering with the ears?

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devinheitmueller:

Or it's a UHF station and the ears were interfering with the loop. ;-)

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mycoDA:

all digital stations over here are uhf unless i am very much mistaken

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wagnerrp:

devinheitmueller: i thought after the cutoff, a good deal of them moved back into the VHF range

[15:05:37]

devinheitmueller:

wagnerrp: some did.

[15:06:13]

devinheitmueller:

I don't really watch TV much though, so I haven't looked at a recent scan file.

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mycoDA:

lol ironic

[15:06:35]

devinheitmueller:

Particularly ironic in my case.

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mycoDA:

quite

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JEDIDIAH__:

...just curious.

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JEDIDIAH__:

does anything on Linux play WTV files.

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wagnerrp:

i have no idea what a WTV file is

[15:09:51]

wagnerrp:

windows 7 recording apparently?

[15:09:53]

devinheitmueller:

ffmpeg probably has support. It supports everything else.

[15:09:57]

JEDIDIAH__:

It's what that "other" product generates. kind of like nuv

[15:10:44]

JEDIDIAH__:

yes. it's what MCE 7 stores stuff as.

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JEDIDIAH__:

I was playing aroudn with it awhile back.

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devinheitmueller:

google: "wtv ffmpeg"

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devinheitmueller:

See, I'm helpful. :-)

[15:11:37]

devinheitmueller:

Seriously though, google "wtv ffmpeg". It does return results that are relevant.

[15:11:51]

wagnerrp:

seems http://babgvant.com/files/folders/misc/entry11457.aspx will convert to a dvrms

[15:12:01]

wagnerrp:

you can find your way from there to another format

[15:13:26]

wagnerrp:

why cant they just use mp4 like the rest of the world?

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devinheitmueller:

wagnerrp: why are we doing NUV? Not everything is for a good reason.

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devinheitmueller:

Also, MP4 likely has royalty implications, which makes it less than ideal for places like the USA where they only need an MPEG2 license and not H.264.

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wagnerrp:

nuv was chosen before mp4/mkv/ogm were an option, we probably didnt want to mess with mpeg2 licensing crap, and avi was garbage

[15:15:46]

wagnerrp:

good option in 2002, bad option maybe 2004 onward

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devinheitmueller:

wagnerrp: it's possible their logic was similar.

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JEDIDIAH__:

although I haven't seen an nuv file since switching away from my PVR150.

[15:16:29]

wagnerrp:

even the pvr-150 wont produce nuvs

[15:16:40]

devinheitmueller:

Yeah, nuv is only used for framegrabbers.

[15:16:44]

wagnerrp:

we havent made nuvs since 0.19 or 0.20

[15:16:51]

wagnerrp:

(aside from framegrabbers)

[15:16:52]

devinheitmueller:

(and the pvr-150 never supported delivering raw video in Linux)

[15:17:01]

JEDIDIAH__:

perhaps that was just the target format for transcoded stuff.

[15:17:16]

wagnerrp:

devinheitmueller: oh? not through those higher level device nodes, like /dev/video24?

[15:17:26]

devinheitmueller:

wagnerrp: I pretend those don't exist.

[15:17:33]

wagnerrp:

heh

[15:17:34]

devinheitmueller:

I would encourage you to do the same.

[15:17:37]

wagnerrp:

fair enough

[15:17:49]

devinheitmueller:

(especially since I really want to get rid of them)

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wagnerrp:

i pretend hybrid tuners dont have framegrabbers already... so

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devinheitmueller:

Framegrabbing has it's uses, but it should be supported through the correct API (v4l2/videobuf), not /dev/video32.

[15:18:39]

wagnerrp:

JEDIDIAH__: the mpeg encoder and digital tuner cards used to produce mpeg2 video in a nuv, but that was ended like 4–5 years ago

[15:21:04]

wagnerrp:

0.19 release notes... 'mpeg-2 recordings will have an .mpg extension instead of a .nuv like mpeg-4 or rtjpeg recordings'

[15:21:20]

wagnerrp:

so maybe it didnt actually put them in a nuv, it just gave it a nuv extension

[15:21:26]

wagnerrp:

since the code couldnt handle otherwise

[15:22:07]

JEDIDIAH__:

the nuvs were probably just from the transcodes I did in those days.

[15:22:39]

wagnerrp:

yeah, just one more reason i tell people not to do their transcoding using mythtranscode

[15:22:52]

skd5aner:

!lmgtfy nuv file

[15:23:00]

JEDIDIAH__:

it worked well enough for the job and the times.

[15:23:12]

skd5aner:

!help

[15:23:22]

skd5aner:

help list

[15:23:26]

Scopeuk:

has anyone had the situation where kaffeine will scan and find channels but myth wont?

[15:23:34]

skd5aner:

!help list

[15:23:38]

wagnerrp:

it worked well enough in 2002

[15:23:40]

skd5aner:

!list

[15:23:57]

skd5aner:

no google command anymore

[15:24:01]

skd5aner:

?

[15:24:03]

wagnerrp:

but somewhere in 2005 when we became sole maintainer, and mkv started to take off

[15:24:24]

skd5aner:

anyway – http://www.google.com/search?aq=f&sourcei . . . p;q=nuv+file – I find it interesting that basically the only references to nuv out there are in regards to MythTV producing them

[15:24:51]

wagnerrp:

!url lmgtfy skd5aner is a dodo head

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MythLogBot:

lmgtfy: http://lmgtfy.com?q=skd5aner%20is%20a%20dodo%20head

[15:26:26]

mycoDA:

night dudes

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skd5aner:

!url lmgtfy python developers eat glue

[15:26:28]

MythLogBot:

lmgtfy: http://lmgtfy.com?q=python%20developers%20eat%20glue

[15:26:35]

JEDIDIAH__:

first hit on Google for nupplevideo is a myth-users thread "Why?"

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Darksynz:

wagnerrp. last night u said I needed to get a pvr150, well I have an ati threatre 200 and dmesg says its a hauppage pvr 150

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Darksynz:

it should work right?

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devinheitmueller:

Probably not. That's probably the default behavior the driver does when it finds a device with the proper PCI vendor ID but an unrecognized subID.

[18:01:05]

Darksynz:

ok, how do i find out for sure? just try it? myth frontend says error after jump start file or something

[18:01:46]

devinheitmueller:

I'm looking for a photo now...

[18:01:55]

devinheitmueller:

(I can tell you for sure if I see the PCB)

[18:02:15]

Darksynz:

ok. this one says philips on it i believe

[18:02:28]

Darksynz:

conexant chip

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devinheitmueller:

That doesnt' mean anything. That's just the can tuner.

[18:02:42]

devinheitmueller:

Likewise. I already knew it was a cx23416 based design.

[18:02:55]

Darksynz:

k

[18:03:01]

devinheitmueller:

Just need to know if it's an HCW clone (which is highly unlikely)

[18:03:24]

wagnerrp:

Darksynz: you have a /dev/video0? you can do 'cat /dev/video0 > some_mpeg_file.mpg' and get playable video out of it?

[18:03:33]

wagnerrp:

if no on either of those, then absolutely no

[18:04:31]

devinheitmueller:

Ah, there we go. No, it's not an HCW OEM.

[18:04:41]

devinheitmueller:

wagnerrp: even if it provides a /dev/video0, then it is unlikely to work.

[18:04:54]

devinheitmueller:

The card could be made to work if a driver developer cared enough, but it won't work with today's driver.

[18:05:05]

Darksynz:

ok

[18:05:07]

Darksynz:

that sucks

[18:05:44]

devinheitmueller:

It's both an obscure and a very old card (2006). You shouldn't be surprised.

[18:06:05]

Darksynz:

i figured the older the better actually

[18:06:11]

devinheitmueller:

Popularity is a key decider to which cards get support added.

[18:06:14]

Darksynz:

this is one of the 5 ati cards i got

[18:06:15]

devinheitmueller:

Not really.

[18:06:45]

Darksynz:

k

[18:06:48]

devinheitmueller:

Usually it's decided based on the availability of chipset documentation, the complexity of the driver, and how popular the hardware is.

[18:06:51]

wagnerrp:

devinheitmueller: well that was intended as a way of showing it wouldnt work, not that it would

[18:07:09]

devinheitmueller:

wagnerrp: You are correct – if there were no /dev/video0 then it would be a nonstarter.

[18:07:11]

Darksynz:

brb

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JEDIDIAH__:

It's a shame that the prognosis on the collossus isn't better.

[18:27:01]

wagnerrp:

yeah, would be nice to have an internal card rather than USB

[18:27:14]

JEDIDIAH__:

it's always good to have multiple options.

[18:27:18]

wagnerrp:

and according to anandtech, apparently a lot of cable boxes actually DONT have DMCA enabled

[18:27:26]

wagnerrp:

erm... HDCP

[18:28:11]

JEDIDIAH__:

someone was bound to try there (HDMI capture) despite of the challenges.

[18:29:51]

sphery:

which prognosis? Just that it's not super stable? I thought that was just because it was too new?

[18:29:57]

JEDIDIAH__:

reviews of the collussus seem grim.

[18:30:09]

JEDIDIAH__:

internal card with no vendor cooperation.

[18:30:25]

wagnerrp:

prognosis as in possibility of linux support

[18:30:36]

sphery:

ahhh

[18:30:52]

devinheitmueller:

JEDIDIAH__: Like most products that are brand new – there are still a few rough edges which will get worked out in the drivers.

[18:31:04]

JEDIDIAH__:

Of course I don't really care if you can use it in MCE with that DVB hack.

[18:31:07]

** devinheitmueller is referring to the reviews of the card. **

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justinh:

did ATI ever clone a hauppauge card? I doubt it somehow

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[R]:

clone? huh?

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wagnerrp:

clone as in same or similar hardware

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[R]:

well i have an ati hdtv wonder

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devinheitmueller:

justinh: not to my knowledge.

[19:28:57]

[R]:

there is a hauppauge card that does that... same thing?

[19:29:05]

justinh:

I had an ATI All-In-Wonder too. which is where my deep hatred of ATI comes from :)

[19:29:18]

devinheitmueller:

justinh: although there have been cases where both ATI and Hauppauge cloned the same reference design...

[19:29:32]

wagnerrp:

[R]: this is in relation to earlier discussion where some user has an ATI card that gets picked up by lspci as a PCR-150

[19:30:01]

devinheitmueller:

Yeah, it's pretty lousy for the driver to assume anything unrecognized that has a cx23416 is a PVR-150.

[19:30:04]

justinh:

even in the 'theater' cards? I thought they were all some funky far-out encoder never seen on much else within the scope of PCI cards

[19:30:24]

devinheitmueller:

justinh: their newer stuff is based on a custom chip. I'm talking about their USB designs.

[19:30:24]

[R]:

what is a PCR 150?

[19:30:31]

devinheitmueller:

[R]: he meant PVR-150

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[R]:

oh

[19:30:39]

wagnerrp:

me fat-fingering the 'V' ket

[19:30:42]

wagnerrp:

key

[19:30:50]

** [R] points and laughs at the guy with fat fingers **

[19:31:05]

devinheitmueller:

Basically back in 2006 ATI did a cx23416 based board, and the current driver assumes anything that has that chip and is unrecognized is a PVR-150.

[19:31:19]

** wagnerrp puts his fat thumb and forefinger up to his eye **

[19:31:26]

wagnerrp:

IM SQUISHING YOUR HEAD!

[19:31:48]

[R]:

rofl

[19:32:33]

justinh:

darn baby, anyway. little sod is climbing up his cot now, and can get out of his sleep sack thingy. is it unethical to grease cot bars?

[19:32:53]

[R]:

lol

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[R]:

crazy british talk is always funny

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[R]:

justinh: i assume cot==crib?

[19:33:33]

justinh:

went up there to see what all the noise was just now & he's standing there, with one leg through the darn bars

[19:33:36]

justinh:

yup

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wagnerrp:

seriously, who forces their children to sleep in a cot

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[R]:

wagnerrp: haha

[19:34:01]

justinh:

what's the non-UK definition of cot?

[19:34:06]

[R]:

justinh: crib

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[R]:

cot is...

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[R]:

like a little thing you sleep on

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wagnerrp:

over here, a 'cot' is a military-style portable bed

[19:34:28]

[R]:

that folds up

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justinh:

ah

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wagnerrp:

usually fabric slung over a folding metal frame

[19:34:40]

justinh:

we call that a camp bed over here

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[R]:

justinh: http://www.vpcam.com/product/4599

[19:34:57]

justinh:

but hey, the US army can't have anything to do with camp beds ;-)

[19:35:07]

justinh:

or maybe they can, so long as they never show it

[19:35:59]

justinh:

heh. I learned something today!

[19:36:15]

[R]:

and why on earth would you call your kid a sod

[19:36:29]

justinh:

it's one of our lighter cuss words

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wagnerrp:

he likes to roll him out on dirt

[19:36:35]

justinh:

I dunno where that comes from

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[R]:

wagnerrp: haha

[19:37:05]

[R]:

justinh: http://www.bilmartomaturf.com/sod/sod_installation.htm

[19:37:08]

[R]:

justinh: that's sod

[19:37:32]

justinh:

turf!

[19:37:53]

justinh:

technically over here a sod (in grass terms) is more like a clump

[19:38:04]

justinh:

I think..

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[R]:

wtf, apple is being sued because of inapp purchasing on kids apps in the app store

[19:38:51]

[R]:

how is that apples fault?

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justinh:

wait til you hear what they call it when babies start to climb on furniture, moving between things.. CRUISING

[19:39:03]

wagnerrp:

we call a clump a clod

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justinh:

maybe 'sod' in the sense I used it is a bastardisation of S.O.B.

[19:39:57]

wagnerrp:

but then 'sod it' doesnt make sense

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[R]:

there is that saying 'sod off'

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wagnerrp:

[R]: that would me 'im taking your front lawn and going home'

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wagnerrp:

*mean

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justinh:

lol

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[R]:

haha

[19:42:11]

justinh:

Ahhhhh http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sod_%28vulgarity%29

[19:42:24]

justinh:

blimey. I'm not calling my son a sodomite again

[19:43:17]

justinh:

'somewhat offensive'? Sheesh... here's me thinking it was swear-lite

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[R]:

lol

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[R]:

blimey is another one

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justinh:

cor blimey, guv'nor, betta get up the aahld apples n pears

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wagnerrp:

so to paraphrase, you called your son someone who enjoys anal sex?

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[R]:

justinh: aahld?

[19:45:09]

[R]:

wagnerrp: ROFL

[19:45:50]

justinh:

you 'merkins.. you'll never understand the eeeengleesh ;)

[19:46:01]

[R]:

lol

[19:46:13]

wagnerrp:

aahld = all the

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iamlindoro:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merkin

[19:46:28]

iamlindoro:

sod off, calling me a merkin...

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justinh:

blimey == contracted from 'blind me'... heh.. I lernt somefink else new!

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[R]:

WTF

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[R]:

iamlindoro: 'originally worn by prostitutes'

[19:47:08]

iamlindoro:

Or Sods

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justinh:

hahaha all this time I've been using it in jest type banter & nobody took issue – I assumed everybody knew what it meant

[19:47:43]

iamlindoro:

I knew what it meant, it just seemed an appropriate time to bring it up ;)

[19:48:07]

justinh:

this must be the special relationship our politicians waffle on about from time to time

[19:50:55]

justinh:

wow, wth is -users ML coming to when people are quoting xkcd? It could one day become a must-read place

[19:51:54]

iamlindoro:

Meanwhile me running around spending 90% of my myth time writing javascript... the world is upside-down

[19:52:14]

justinh:

what what what?

[19:52:29]

justinh:

web setuppery things?

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iamlindoro:

yup

[19:53:05]

justinh:

cool :-)

[19:53:21]

justinh:

hahaha.. is the guy on the left supposed to be prof. Brian Cox? http://xkcd.com/811/

[19:53:29]

iamlindoro:

e.g., http://www.fecitfacta.com/editdetail.png

[19:54:07]

justinh:

oh come on now.. it doesn't even look like ass, you expect me to believe that's web-setup? ;-)

[19:54:37]

iamlindoro:

or http://www.fecitfacta.com/delconfirm.png or http://www.fecitfacta.com/contextmenu.png

[19:54:52]

iamlindoro:

give us time-- once we get more than two of us working on it, the number of cooks should assify it quickly

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justinh:

heh. seriously – that looks very very good indeed

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iamlindoro:

And it's animated ;)

[19:56:10]

iamlindoro:

windows scroll open, status and error messages pop up and fade away, advanced details are hidden in accordions, etc.

[19:56:10]

skd5aner:

Yea – it's more advanced than MythUI! :D

[19:56:23]

justinh:

uh-oh

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iamlindoro:

I'm currently working on making this actually work: http://www.fecitfacta.com/multiedit.png

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iamlindoro:

Should help those who get many channels of bogus names/callsigns/etc.

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justinh:

holy moly

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justinh:

should help in many different ways :)

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skd5aner:

iamlindoro: will the new setup stuff be translatable?

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iamlindoro:

It should ultimately be, though I don't know how to make it so and don't want to make any promises or comments since I just plain don't know

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skd5aner:

cool – doesn't really matter to me since english is all I ultimately need ;)

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skd5aner:

just was curious what the dialog had been around it

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iamlindoro:

The little we have talked about has resulted in a general agreement that it can and should be

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iamlindoro:

But I know little more than that

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trumee:

can somebody explain where do i change myth code to increase buffer, http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=10538828&postcount=20

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trumee:

since i am unable to change alsa buffer using echo 128> /proc/asound/card0/pcm0p/sub0/prealloc

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wagnerrp:

it seems mythtv is supposed to do it internally, rather than you running a call on your own

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trumee:

well it isnt working for me

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trumee:

and i cant live with buffer underruns any more. I am forced to use mplayer to watch videos now rather than mythvideo :(

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trumee:

but there is no cure for the LiveTV backend

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trumee:

wagnerrp: what distro do you use?

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skd5aner:

ls -la /proc/asound/card0/pcm0p/sub0/prealloc

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trumee:

-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Apr 15 22:21 /proc/asound/card0/pcm0p/sub0/prealloc

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wagnerrp:

gentoo

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trumee:

and i have tried to change using root

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trumee:

wagnerrp: nice one. i am going to ditch suse on this laptop and build gentoo.

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** trumee Gentoo rocks **

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skd5aner:

echo 128 | sudo tee /proc/asound/card0/pcm0p/sub0/prealloc

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trumee:

skd5aner: ALSA info.c:431: data write error to prealloc (-16)

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trumee:

skd5aner: in dmesg

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trumee:

skd5aner: did things change a lot in audio between version 0.23 and 0.24?

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skd5aner:

It looks like you probably have your audio device open or something

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skd5aner:

killall mythfrontend

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skd5aner:

or any thing else that might leverage the audio device

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skd5aner:

then try again

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trumee:

skd5aner: there is nothing which is using audio

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trumee:

skd5aner: but i am going to logout, kill X and try again from the vt-1

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skd5aner:

cat /proc/asound/card0/pcm0p/sub0/prealloc_max

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trumee:

128

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skd5aner:

that's the max you can set it to

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trumee:

lappy:/tmp # echo 256 > /proc/asound/card0/pcm0p/sub0/prealloc_max

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trumee:

lappy:/tmp # cat /proc/asound/card0/pcm0p/sub0/prealloc_max

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trumee:

128

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skd5aner:

you can't make that larger than it is

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trumee:

seems it doesnt get set

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trumee:

ah

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skd5aner:

it just spits out what the acceptable max value can be

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trumee:

skd5aner: so prealloc can go to 128 max

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skd5aner:

for prealloc

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skd5aner:

yes

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skd5aner:

do you have a card1 too?

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trumee:

lappy:/tmp # echo 128 > /proc/asound/card0/pcm0p/sub0/prealloc

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trumee:

lappy:/tmp # cat /proc/asound/card0/pcm0p/sub0/prealloc

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trumee:

64

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trumee:

lappy:/tmp # cat /proc/asound/card1/id

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trumee:

Modem

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skd5aner:

heh – mine's set to 4096

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trumee:

skd5aner: the soundcard is snd8x10

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skd5aner:

wow – that's old I believe

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trumee:

its an old laptop

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trumee:

Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 1.73GHz

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skd5aner:

hmmm – I'm not an alsa expert – so I don't really have any other advice – just the easy stuff :)

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trumee:

no worries. i am going to testdrive a opensuse 11.3 livecd. If i cant change the alsa buffer, then will have to downgrade to myth 0.23

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trumee:

skd5aner: were there a lot of audio changes between 0.23 and 0.24?

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skd5aner:

yes

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skd5aner:

complete audio subsystem re-write

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skd5aner:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Release_Notes_-_0.24#Audio

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skd5aner:

and LOTs of changes since 0.24 was released and backported to 0.24-fixes

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skd5aner:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Release_Notes_-_0.24-fixes &n dash; sort by components column and look for audio

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trumee:

skd5aner:guess, nobody had a intel8x0 to test against :(

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skd5aner:

heh – well – could be something funky with the harware and version of alsa you are running too

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skd5aner:

if you said you're willing to blow it away, then you could find out if mythbuntu or mythdora or some other distro has the same issue

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trumee:

skd5aner: i checked the alsa versions on my gentoo/ubuntu desktops, they have 1.0.23 version which is the same as opensuse

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skd5aner:

well – don;t know...

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trumee:

Even my poor joggler is playing fine. it is only the laptop which is messed up

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skd5aner:

can you change the prealloc to something lower, like 32?

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skd5aner:

just to see if it will even change

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trumee:

nope, doesnt decrease either

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skd5aner:

hmm – no idea, sorry

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skd5aner:

and I'm out of here – good luck

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trumee:

skd5aner: no worries. thanks for your help

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iamlindoro:

skd5aner: www.fecitfacta.com/multichanneledit.mov Here's something you can't do in mythtv-setup ;)

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[R]:

am i the onlyh one that thinks fecitfacta sounds dirty?

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trumee:

skd5aner: i tried opensuse 11.3 livecd, and was able to change the buffer size!!!!!!!!!!

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trumee:

skd5aner: the alsa version there is 1.0.22.1

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Wicked:

iamlindoro, what is that in the video? is that a new webui?

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wagnerrp:

Wicked: yes

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Wicked:

ah cool.

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Wicked:

looking nice

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wagnerrp:

the new webui has really taken off in the past few weeks

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iamlindoro:

Web *setup* UI, that is

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Wicked:

good stuff.

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Wicked:

ah

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iamlindoro:

as opposed to it being a frontend

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Wicked:

:o actual web management!

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Wicked:

is the goal to be able to install mythtv...then launch the webui and set it all up?

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iamlindoro:

yes

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Wicked:

nice.

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iamlindoro:

and perhaps more importantly, that the setup be foolproof and dead simple

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Wicked:

is that imbeded webserver or something like apache

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iamlindoro:

embedded

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Wicked:

*embeded

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wagnerrp:

yes, the final plan is to remove mythtv-setup, and allow the backend to be run with nothing

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Wicked:

errum. cant type

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wagnerrp:

i.e. configurationless

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Wicked:

yea

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Wicked:

i think that will be a good way to go.

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wagnerrp:

as opposed to now where it will refuse to run with no tuners configured

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Wicked:

ah

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wagnerrp:

sphery: new fabrication technique may mean OLED TVs will finally take off

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bumblebeebat:

Anyone have any idea how to fix the sound on the frontend. If i click "scan for audio devices" a message comes up that says "is invalid ot noy useable". Nothing is filled in as the audio output device. It does not seem to be able to scan for new audio devices. All the alsa stuff looks fine and I can play audio fine from vlc

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wagnerrp:

are you perhaps running pulseaudio?

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bumblebeebat:

hahaha, I could be

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bumblebeebat:

Thanks wagnerrp

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wagnerrp:

if this is a dedicated mythtv box, you would be best off uninstalling pulseaudio

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bumblebeebat:

it is a dedicated mythtv box, it is running mythbuntu 11.04

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wagnerrp:

mythbuntu should not have pulse installed

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bumblebeebat:

with 0.24 installed through the ppa

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bumblebeebat:

pulse not installed

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wagnerrp:

mythbuntu 11.04 should come with 0.24 pre-installed

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bumblebeebat:

Yes but updated it

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