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| [00:04:27] | G3kko: | Anyone know if libraw1394 is still broken? The wiki suggests 1.3.0 is, but I've got 2.0.2 here |
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| [00:06:54] | [R]: | i have 2.0.5 and i guess it works |
| [00:06:58] | [R]: | cuz i use firewire |
| [00:07:03] | G3kko: | cool |
| [00:07:07] | G3kko: | thx |
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| [00:15:34] | gavinp: | Quick question: if you queue two jobs on the same recording, say a transcode & a userjob, are they run serially or in parallel (if the backend supports multiple jobs at once) ? |
| [00:16:50] | wagnerrp: | good question |
| [00:17:00] | gavinp: | One would hope the former, but I suspect the latter! |
| [00:17:21] | [R]: | i know if you do transcode and commflag the commflag goes first |
| [00:18:47] | wagnerrp: | im going to assume the inuseprogram table steps in and handled it |
| [00:18:47] | gavinp: | That's a good sign. I'll sourcedive. Or try it. |
| [00:19:00] | wagnerrp: | but theres 2300 lines of code involved |
| [00:19:03] | gavinp: | Ahhh. OK. |
| [00:19:11] | wagnerrp: | and im a bit burned out to skim through and check |
| [00:19:19] | gavinp: | no worries. Thank you for the pointer. |
| [00:19:20] | wagnerrp: | im in the process or rewriting that whole segment |
| [00:19:25] | wagnerrp: | but i dont remember off hand |
| [00:19:26] | gavinp: | Good! |
| [00:19:42] | wagnerrp: | http://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/blob/master/m . . . jobqueue.cpp |
| [00:19:46] | gavinp: | job queues fluster me in mythtv. you almost thing you'd want to just some library version of gnu queue. |
| [00:20:00] | gavinp: | (nota bene: there is no library version of gnu queue) |
| [00:20:39] | wagnerrp: | what we really want is a tweaked version of torque |
| [00:22:21] | gavinp: | indeed. torque is an actually maintained thing like gnu queue. :) |
| [00:22:41] | gavinp: | Incidentally, I've whined in here a number of times about mytharchive failing. I think folks have various answered: "noone maintains it" or "patches welcome!" |
| [00:23:17] | gavinp: | The problem was this: my OTA recordings while good, have enough errors that there's about a 10% chance that ffmpeg craps out, and leaves me sad. The solution was to use projectx. |
| [00:24:22] | gavinp: | mytharchive, when running projectx, by default, runs projectx after ffmpeg. that's a great plan, if you think ffmpeg makes non-compliant mplexes. However, if you're more concerned about your OTA signal being noncompliant, then it might make sense to run projectx first, before ffmpeg. |
| [00:24:31] | gavinp: | For now I am working around with a userjob that runs projectx and mplex. |
| [00:25:16] | gavinp: | but, now that I know the issue, I suppose I should create a bug and perhaps upload a patch. |
| [00:31:57] | wagnerrp: | gavinp: technically pau lh maintains it, but it doesnt get touched often, and i dont think any of the other devs burn DVDs |
| [00:32:30] | gavinp: | i'm guessing any dev who does burn DVDs just has a better source than I do! |
| [00:33:06] | wagnerrp: | i just dont see the purpose |
| [00:33:20] | gavinp: | which purpose? |
| [00:33:25] | wagnerrp: | burning DVDs |
| [00:33:45] | gavinp: | It's an archive format that is widely understood by cheap consumer electronics. |
| [00:33:47] | Captain_Murdoch: | gavinp, currently the jobqueue runs jobs in serial for a given recording since some jobs may depend on each other |
| [00:33:57] | gavinp: | Captain_Murdoch: Ah! That's the very happy answer. Thank you. |
| [00:34:05] | gavinp: | So I will queue away with abandon. |
| [00:34:39] | gavinp: | A DVD is also a fine format for space shifting; carrying a recording to your parents' house to watch on a visit there, for instance. |
| [00:34:39] | wagnerrp: | gavinp: its an archive format that cannot handle the content as it is broadcast |
| [00:34:49] | ** Captain_Murdoch rewords by saying 'since one job may depend on another' since there's no way two jobs could depend on each other. :) ** | |
| [00:35:00] | gavinp: | Captain_Murdoch: let's hope it's at least a DAG |
| [00:35:28] | gavinp: | but treating it as a list is fine, that list is likely a valid topological sort of any implicit DAG |
| [00:35:49] | gavinp: | wagnerrp: Yeah. But it's a *really widely understood* archive format. |
| [00:36:15] | wagnerrp: | DAG? |
| [00:36:23] | gavinp: | Directed Acyclic Graph |
| [00:36:28] | Captain_Murdoch: | too many terms on wikipedia for me to know which dag. :) |
| [00:36:57] | wagnerrp: | well its not even really a list |
| [00:37:13] | wagnerrp: | each jobqueue will independently scan through the list of jobs, to find one it can run |
| [00:37:24] | wagnerrp: | but it has no concern about jobs before or after |
| [00:37:35] | gavinp: | presumably if jobs have dependancies, they'll form a DAG. A list is said to be a topological sort of a dag if the list includes all verticies, and no vertex occurs after any vertex with a path leading to it. |
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| [00:37:52] | wagnerrp: | so say you had 10 jobs queued, two jobqueues, one can handle transcodes and user jobs, the other only does user jobs |
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| [00:38:03] | gavinp: | ah, ok, i see the distinction. |
| [00:38:09] | gavinp: | if there's a tie, how is it broken then? |
| [00:38:14] | wagnerrp: | you have 9 transcodes queued, with the one youre running a user job in the middle |
| [00:38:18] | wagnerrp: | then you have the user job at the end |
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| [00:38:29] | wagnerrp: | the jobqueue that can do transcodes will do those transcodes sequentially |
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| [00:38:48] | wagnerrp: | the one that only does user jobs will jump straight to the userjob at the end of the list |
| [00:38:54] | wagnerrp: | before the transcode has had a chance to run |
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| [00:39:15] | gavinp: | ah. but if you have only one backend that runs all types of jobs, you'll do them in the order requested? |
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| [00:39:40] | wagnerrp: | if you only have one backend that will run all types, it will do them sequentially |
| [00:40:01] | wagnerrp: | my point was that there is no communication between the various queues |
| [00:40:10] | gavinp: | i see your point, yeah. |
| [00:40:21] | wagnerrp: | so there is no real structured ordering |
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| [00:40:23] | wagnerrp: | also, its ordered based off 'insertdate' |
| [00:40:41] | wagnerrp: | and old versions of mythweb had a nasty habit of leaving the insertdate blank |
| [00:40:49] | wagnerrp: | which would cause it to go to the mysql default of some time in 1970 |
| [00:40:50] | Captain_Murdoch: | well, schedruntime, since you can schedule transcodes to occur in the future. :) |
| [00:41:17] | wagnerrp: | so if you queued a transcode job in the frontend, and then a user job in mythweb |
| [00:41:23] | wagnerrp: | it would run the user job first |
| [00:41:44] | Captain_Murdoch: | some people use that to transcode automatically X days after they record, so if they watch it soon after recording, they can watch the full high-res version, but if they watch it 2 weeks later, it's transcoded. |
| [00:42:36] | wagnerrp: | theres going to be a lot of little things like that im probably going to miss when i get this thing running |
| [00:44:04] | mycosys: | wagnerrp is mythfs.py best (or acceptably) run in xsessionrc or by the event system or? |
| [00:44:29] | mycosys: | guessing it is the best way to get human readable files shared over cifs |
| [00:44:47] | wagnerrp: | mythfs.py will not run off the event system, it is a mountable filesystem that is intended to be persistent |
| [00:45:11] | mycosys: | where would one bets run it? |
| [00:45:16] | wagnerrp: | there is currently an issue in the bindings where thumbnail events can cause the connection to fail irrecoverably |
| [00:45:18] | mycosys: | *best |
| [00:45:29] | wagnerrp: | meaning chances are, it will not be reliable when actively recording |
| [00:45:46] | mycosys: | bother |
| [00:45:53] | wagnerrp: | additionally, (this may be a freebsd/fuse issue) it sucks down memory hard |
| [00:46:23] | wagnerrp: | if you only have one machine, and dont need the remote file access that mythfs.py affords, i would just use mythlink.pl |
| [00:46:39] | mycosys: | other option – where can i put show_names that samba can follow the symlink? |
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| [00:46:49] | mycosys: | nah – the point of it is remote file access |
| [00:47:28] | mycosys: | i suppose very occasionally it used to come in handy if myth didnt like a file in 0.22pre, but dont get that anymore |
| [00:48:11] | mycosys: | might try putting show_names in recordings |
| [00:53:22] | [R]: | wagnerrp: so i have these hdpvr recoridngs where the audio is somewhat corrupt... myth plays them siliently but other things can play it fine... any dieas? |
| [00:54:02] | wagnerrp: | no idea |
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| [00:59:02] | ** [R] needs to install and setup mplayer ** | |
| [00:59:11] | [R]: | its a pita haveing to watch this stuff on my tubetv |
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| [01:04:58] | kisak: | hmm, a recording has overshot it's endtime by 4 minutes now |
| [01:05:05] | kisak: | how odd |
| [01:05:37] | kisak: | oh, my mistake, I misread the timeslot |
| [01:06:38] | wagnerrp: | glad we could be of assistance |
| [01:07:05] | kisak: | it's a show which is almost always a 1 hour timeslot, but this one is 2 somehow |
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| [01:19:21] | mycosys: | yep – that worked perfectly |
| [01:19:55] | mycosys: | if mythlinker builds the links under the recording directory and that is shared with samba network playback is fine |
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| [01:21:25] | wagnerrp: | no, mythlink builds the links in whatever directory you want |
| [01:21:34] | wagnerrp: | it doesnt have to have any relation to the recording path |
| [01:22:17] | mycosys: | yeah – but if you want to play em over the network it needs to |
| [01:22:37] | mycosys: | unless you do something silly like enable wide links |
| [01:23:11] | mycosys: | for cifs anyway |
| [01:27:46] | mycosys: | [!!] Allocating > 2GB RAM on 32-bit systems can cause system instability |
| [01:27:47] | mycosys: | [!!] Maximum possible memory usage: 7.3G (184% of installed RAM) |
| [01:28:17] | mycosys: | why on earth would this be set by default on mythbuntu? and how do i fix it lol |
| [01:29:58] | mycosys: | wagnerrp? |
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| [01:33:23] | wagnerrp: | i dont know what youre talking about |
| [01:33:32] | wagnerrp: | ive never see that warning |
| [01:33:44] | wagnerrp: | something that pops up when you make a CIFS mount? |
| [01:33:52] | wagnerrp: | something the samba server spewed out? |
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| [01:35:01] | mycosys: | from mysqltuner.pl wagnerrp |
| [01:35:15] | mycosys: | sorry – should have said |
| [01:37:00] | wagnerrp: | i can write queries, but as far as performance tuning mysql, im lost |
| [01:39:23] | mycosys: | bit worried it is warning that it may be dangerous |
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| [01:42:10] | G3kko: | WOOT |
| [01:42:21] | G3kko: | Firewire channel changer FOR THE WIN |
| [01:45:15] | G3kko: | @mycosys: Have you fiddled with the defaults in your my.ini file? |
| [01:45:57] | mycosys: | nope |
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| [01:48:49] | G3kko: | I think it's just a whiner |
| [01:48:55] | G3kko: | Ignore it. |
| [01:49:16] | G3kko: | Are you running the 32 or 64 bit build of MythBuntu? |
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| [01:50:28] | G3kko: | And is it the 32 or 64 bit build of MySQL? (easy to tell from running `file /usr/sbin/mysqld`) |
| [01:52:05] | G3kko: | Is anyone here running .24 with VDPAU? |
| [01:53:23] | kisak: | sure |
| [01:53:59] | mycosys: | 32 bit |
| [01:54:09] | mycosys: | yeah – 0.24 fixes |
| [01:54:17] | mycosys: | think most would be, or trunk |
| [01:54:24] | G3kko: | I take that back... it isn't even a VDPAU thing. It just did it with XV. |
| [01:54:40] | G3kko: | I'm getting "sparkles" in black areas of the video |
| [01:54:58] | G3kko: | not really sparkles, per se. They're light-colored blocks. |
| [01:55:08] | kisak: | and you have nvidia? |
| [01:55:19] | G3kko: | Yarp. I think there's a colorspace issue |
| [01:56:11] | kisak: | it has to do with corruption in the back sublayer, open up nvidia-xconfig and it should flush that memory |
| [01:56:22] | kisak: | *black sublayer |
| [01:57:01] | kisak: | if not, resize your desktop with nvidia-xconfig, then switch it back to what you want |
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| [01:59:47] | kisak: | adobe-flash is the most common cause of that corruption |
| [02:01:00] | G3kko: | @kisak Hrm... nope. Just tried, and they're still there. Also, this X session has run nothing but mythfrontend & mythtv-setup. |
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| [02:02:29] | kisak: | if you could get an all pitch-black screen, then you could see what's in the black sublayer clearly |
| [02:03:10] | xyzabc: | it is kind of weird when I skip forward to try to skip over a comercial it seems like it always jumps backwards say 30 seconds, then I can skip forward and over the commercial. does anyone know what is causing this strange behavior or how to fix it |
| [02:03:27] | G3kko: | The colors seem to shift regularly--they're not constant. Is that useful data? |
| [02:04:19] | kisak: | G3kko: it should go away for a while with a reboot, restarting X shouldn't help |
| [02:04:34] | xyzabc: | I don't thin this happened until maybe six months ago, so it seems like there must have been some change that causes this behavior |
| [02:05:05] | G3kko: | rmmod & modprobe? |
| [02:05:51] | kisak: | G3kko: I haven't tried that before, so I do not know |
| [02:06:16] | G3kko: | This must be something introduced in the last week or two. I don't remember seeing it with 0.24_p20110319 |
| [02:07:02] | kisak: | it sounds like a video driver problem to me, I wouldn't blame mythtv |
| [02:07:27] | G3kko: | I suppose a test to that would be to run something through mplayer? |
| [02:07:36] | G3kko: | *a test FOR that |
| [02:07:51] | xyzabc: | does anyone else have this issue |
| [02:08:08] | G3kko: | @xyzabc: What's your video source |
| [02:08:34] | xyzabc: | cable TV digitial recording |
| [02:08:54] | G3kko: | Okay, but what capture hardware? |
| [02:09:42] | G3kko: | It sort of sounds like a key frame issue. I've had that problem on some videos, mostly h264. |
| [02:09:49] | xyzabc: | pcHDTV HD5500 |
| [02:10:23] | xyzabc: | I think the video files are probably o.k. if I play them on another system with a different player them have seemed o.k. |
| [02:10:43] | G3kko: | Is the same file consistant? |
| [02:11:05] | G3kko: | By which I mean, does it always happen with file X, but never file Y? |
| [02:11:30] | xyzabc: | it seems to happen with pretty much all files. |
| [02:11:57] | G3kko: | Have you tried to re-commflag a file? |
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| [02:12:17] | xyzabc: | I even tried the std. fast forward and it skipped backwards also |
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| [02:12:56] | xyzabc: | no, does commercial flagging alter the keyframes etc. |
| [02:13:36] | G3kko: | What I'm wondering is if your commercial flagging isn't working properly in the first place. |
| [02:14:05] | G3kko: | Do you regularly see commflag processes while recording (I'm assuming you have realtime enabled)? |
| [02:14:05] | xyzabc: | well the comercial flagging generally does not seem to flag the commercials correctly, that is true |
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| [02:14:43] | xyzabc: | well the videos do get commercial flagged, i.e. I can try to skip commercials |
| [02:15:29] | mycosys: | is 32 max connections to mysql likely to cause issues? |
| [02:15:53] | G3kko: | you have over 30 front ends? ;-) |
| [02:16:21] | kisak: | why so low mycosys? |
| [02:16:22] | mycosys: | nah – but some jobs use several connections |
| [02:16:43] | mycosys: | reduce the max memory msql can use to sane levels |
| [02:17:38] | kisak: | if you're thinking 32, mine as well double it and give yourself some headroom |
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| [02:20:23] | mycosys: | did that lol – still sane |
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| [05:34:52] | wagnerrp: | two users in a week now bringing up softcams on the mailing list |
| [05:35:04] | wagnerrp: | are we up for three? |
| [05:35:23] | wagnerrp: | maybe we can get that fabrice character to join in |
| [05:36:05] | [R]: | from a purely educational standpoint, its an interesting topic |
| [05:36:23] | [R]: | but the kind of people that use them, aren't really at it for the education |
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| [06:25:21] | justinh: | regarding that stuff it'd be cool if some other project could be the test case :) |
| [06:27:10] | justinh: | wagnerrp: fabrice – the namesake of Mr ffmpeg, or actually Mr ffmepg himself? ;-) |
| [06:27:40] | wagnerrp: | nah, 'mg', not bellard |
| [06:27:46] | wagnerrp: | !seen FabriceMG |
| [06:27:46] | MythLogBot: | FabriceMG was last seen 4 days 10 hours 50 minutes 20 seconds ago |
| [06:28:40] | wagnerrp: | hes been on the verge of kickban multiple times, complaining that we dont support softcams but somehow 'JAMU is stealing' |
| [06:29:23] | justinh: | heh |
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| [06:30:33] | justinh: | it's the same in the irc channels for linux-based STB stuff though |
| [06:30:55] | justinh: | they'll pretty much kick you out for even bringing it up |
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| [07:15:02] | justinh: | hmmm 3 month contract doing RHEL admin, must be able to do user stuff (add, delete etc), install llinux, help coordinate shutdowns, maintain hardware.. £300-£400 per day. Yikes |
| [07:15:23] | justinh: | is linux really seen as that much of a black art? LOL |
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| [07:25:26] | wagnerrp: | i do not understand this... |
| [07:25:40] | wagnerrp: | compile is barfind on a class definition |
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| [07:25:57] | wagnerrp: | class MTV_PUBLIC JobInfo : public QObject |
| [07:26:08] | wagnerrp: | failes with 'function definition does not declare parameters' |
| [07:26:22] | wagnerrp: | its got to be a problem with an unterminated line somewhere else |
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| [07:29:37] | justinh: | hmm "Junior Dialler Analyst". Don't like the sound of that |
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| [07:31:38] | wagnerrp: | ah, missing a define for the class visibility |
| [07:37:40] | justinh: | ROFL "The IT/Support Professional must be computer illiterate and be adaptable, dynamic and flexible." |
| [07:37:56] | justinh: | how to become computer illiterate? |
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| [07:42:02] | wagnerrp: | so, theyre looking for a very active contortionist with no computer skills |
| [07:42:13] | justinh: | heheh |
| [07:42:29] | justinh: | maybe the role is for a human footrest ;) |
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| [07:43:51] | wagnerrp: | one that can adapt to the feet of multiple VPs? |
| [07:50:10] | justinh: | 2nd line support, £28k plus 20% shift allowance. bah. Shifts |
| [07:51:48] | justinh: | another one.. Systems/Sever Administrator. Pfft. Spellchecking? |
| [07:52:01] | wagnerrp: | justinh: do you remember some problem with one of the IVTV cards where people would have bad audio for their first analog recording? |
| [07:52:35] | justinh: | 1st, and/or consecutive.. |
| [07:52:36] | wagnerrp: | i remember hearing something about people using a startup script that 'dd'd a few MB to /dev/null just to prep the device and prevent this |
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| [07:53:08] | justinh: | I managed to work around it with something in my channel change script. can't remember what the meat of it actually did though |
| [07:53:25] | justinh: | something about v4l2ctl'ing it to set the sample rate |
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| [07:53:43] | wagnerrp: | on what card? |
| [07:53:52] | justinh: | or the audio would end up sounding like the Visitors on the original 'V' series |
| [07:53:55] | justinh: | PVR150 |
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| [08:07:46] | gpd_: | wc |
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| [08:27:31] | wagnerrp: | if migration to an embedded db on the master backend is to remain a possibility, how would you work this? |
| [08:27:53] | wagnerrp: | presumably mythtvd would hit up the database to see what tasks are supposed to run on that host |
| [08:28:21] | wagnerrp: | but if the database is being handled by one of the processes it is supposed to start... |
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| [08:29:46] | wagnerrp: | i suppose if the local IP is the database IP, and no backend were currently running, it would start up the backend to handle the database, and then connect to it for further instruction |
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| [10:42:25] | rileyp: | is there a button one can press during playback to give details on playback eg htz and fps etc |
| [10:42:49] | rileyp: | my bad hz |
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| [11:06:49] | lyricnz: | offtopic? how can I tell if I'm running out of something (pci bandwidth?). I'm getting choppy recordings, and lots of messages like: |
| [11:06:50] | lyricnz: | DVBRec(1:/dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0): PID 0x80 discontinuity detected |
| [11:07:04] | lyricnz: | I *think* signal is fine, so not the issue |
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| [11:08:59] | justinh: | no the signal is not fine |
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| [11:09:55] | lyricnz: | it was working fine for months, then started doing this. most of the time it's fine. I'm looking at logs now to see if it correlates to a particular channel. |
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| [11:10:38] | justinh: | DVB is less about channels than it is about multiplexes/transponders ;-) |
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| [11:11:08] | lyricnz: | tv channels, not frequency channels :Q |
| [11:11:18] | lyricnz: | but I'll look for freq correlation then :) |
| [11:11:28] | justinh: | femon is your friend too |
| [11:11:36] | justinh: | look for zero BER, zero UNC |
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| [11:13:58] | lyricnz: | not sure it's being reported correctly? |
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| [11:14:05] | lyricnz: | status 1f | signal 2d6f | snr cfcf | ber 00000000 | unc 00000000 | FE_HAS_LOCK |
| [11:14:44] | justinh: | all looks good, but is it always good, all the time ? ;-) |
| [11:15:01] | lyricnz: | I'll try changing channels, see if it goes bad |
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| [11:18:26] | lyricnz: | this channel is currently emitting that error full speed |
| [11:18:28] | lyricnz: | status 1f | signal 3737 | snr 001c | ber 00000000 | unc 00000064 | FE_HAS_LOCK |
| [11:18:33] | lyricnz: | what's the SNR bit mean? |
| [11:18:39] | justinh: | signal to noise ratio |
| [11:18:40] | lyricnz: | and unc? |
| [11:18:50] | justinh: | unc == uncorrectable errors |
| [11:18:53] | lyricnz: | I know what the letters mean, what's the number mean? 1c? |
| [11:18:56] | justinh: | BER == bit error rate |
| [11:19:04] | justinh: | they're counts in a given time period |
| [11:19:11] | justinh: | UNC I mean is |
| [11:19:28] | lyricnz: | That fe is spewing about 20–30 of those discontinuity errors/sec |
| [11:19:31] | justinh: | snr is a ratio – the numbers mean different things according to how the driver works it out |
| [11:19:45] | justinh: | basically you want SNR to be as high as possible though |
| [11:20:02] | justinh: | i.e. more signal than noise :) |
| [11:20:08] | lyricnz: | for the "good" capture above above it was cfcf, that bad one is 001c |
| [11:20:23] | justinh: | which is kind of ironic because DVB signals look like psuedo random noise ;) |
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| [11:21:10] | lyricnz: | Hmm. I had a power adapter that was powering my signal amp get killed during a power spike a few months ago. Maybe the replacement is no good too? |
| [11:21:25] | justinh: | maybes |
| [11:21:28] | lyricnz: | when it was stuffed, I couldn't tune anything in the house (not just myth) |
| [11:21:36] | lyricnz: | when I replaced, everything else started working okay |
| [11:23:03] | lyricnz: | I'll go see if the power brick is too hot or something. I think it's slightly lower current rated than the old one, hahah |
| [11:23:21] | lyricnz: | surely amp isn't using the total rated power of the transformer it came with? |
| [11:23:34] | justinh: | shouldn't be if it's in good nick ;-) |
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| [11:29:13] | lyricnz: | Okay, so I looked at the rating on the bottom of the amplifier: 12V 300ma |
| [11:29:27] | lyricnz: | And it was being powered by 15V 1.6A |
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| [11:29:48] | lyricnz: | So, switched it out for a 12V 1A from something else. |
| [11:30:24] | lyricnz: | still going crazy in the logs |
| [11:31:41] | lyricnz: | two different adapters |
| [11:32:19] | lyricnz: | "different" well... quad tuner |
| [11:34:45] | mikejf: | Hi, I'm currently doing some initial investigation into what would be required for setting up a distributed streaming TV across a network of up to 600 clients |
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| [11:37:27] | mikejf: | It requires the desktops to be able to change channel on demand without messing it up for other desktops (multiple tuner cards?) and being able to blacklist certain programs and have the server take care of what times to disable each channel (EPG?) |
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| [11:38:07] | mikejf: | Is MythTV the best thing to use for that or is there other software that might satisfy the requirements better? |
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| [11:39:11] | lyricnz: | nothing is going to do that out of the box, mikejf |
| [11:39:58] | mikejf: | Understood, although what is most likely to come close to those requirements? |
| [11:40:35] | lyricnz: | 600? you're going to need a serious cluster somewhere... |
| [11:41:19] | lyricnz: | how many channels? |
| [11:41:25] | mikejf: | Yep, I was thinking it's unlikely that the one server will be able to manage that many clients |
| [11:41:54] | justinh: | lyricnz: maybe the PSU damaged your amp when it went 'pop' ;) |
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| [11:42:28] | mikejf: | Number of channels is currently unknown |
| [11:42:34] | lyricnz: | ah crap, hopenot, it was pretty expensive I think. 8 or 10 outputs iirc, f connectors etc |
| [11:42:46] | lyricnz: | justinh: seems to work perfect via TVs in the house |
| [11:43:14] | justinh: | lyricnz: check the other tuners, see if you can isolate it then |
| [11:43:42] | mikejf: | Probably 5 or 6, we can get one tuner per channel without a problem |
| [11:44:01] | justinh: | mikejf: channel bitrates are of the order 1.5 – 4 mbits/sec generally (for SDTV anyway).. that'll be some serious networking requirement if you don't multicast |
| [11:44:18] | lyricnz: | have you considered good old analogue? Have a box streaming those channels into RF modulators |
| [11:44:33] | lyricnz: | or are clients pcs, not tvs? |
| [11:44:38] | lyricnz: | duh me |
| [11:44:40] | mikejf: | PCs not TVs |
| [11:45:35] | justinh: | mikejf: of there are only a handful of channels to take care of, that should simplify things somewhat – but you're still gonna have to multicast I think |
| [11:45:44] | justinh: | s/of/if |
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| [11:46:12] | mikejf: | I don't think there is any problem with multicasting |
| [11:46:18] | lyricnz: | yeah, multicast all the channels, and let client switch between streams, rather than any clients impacting tuners |
| [11:46:33] | justinh: | that sorta rules out mythtv completely of course ;) |
| [11:47:14] | lyricnz: | vlc? |
| [11:47:30] | lyricnz: | but need something doing the filtering described |
| [11:47:32] | mikejf: | Fair enough, I'm not particularly attached to MythTV anyway |
| [11:47:53] | mikejf: | Yeah VLC as the client would be fine, but the filtering on the server end probably can't be done with that |
| [11:48:08] | justinh: | why not? |
| [11:48:18] | lyricnz: | I was thinking of VLC as server, too – but it'll need to feed off somewhere |
| [11:48:35] | lyricnz: | maybe a plugin for vlc to filter based on EPG |
| [11:48:37] | justinh: | VLC can multicast DVB streams |
| [11:48:45] | rileyp: | is there a button one can press during playback to give details on playback eg hz and fps etc |
| [11:48:47] | lyricnz: | yeah, I was talking abotu vlc as server |
| [11:49:02] | rileyp: | in myth |
| [11:49:08] | mikejf: | I have really played around with VLCs streaming abilities, but I wouldn't have though it could do the filtering of certain programs according to the EPG |
| [11:49:13] | justinh: | actually, you don't even need VLC |
| [11:49:25] | justinh: | see DVBstream :) |
| [11:49:41] | lyricnz: | oh cool |
| [11:50:23] | justinh: | http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Dvbstream |
| [11:50:23] | lyricnz: | use the telnet interface to dvbstream to control output. write a script to query EPG, and talk telnet |
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| [11:50:53] | mikejf: | Seems like it'll do the job |
| [11:51:31] | lyricnz: | yeah, good idea justinh |
| [11:51:37] | mikejf: | Anything wrong with Mumudvb? which is still in active development which DVBStreeam isn't. |
| [11:51:54] | justinh: | never heard of mumudvb |
| [11:52:03] | justinh: | anyway, my fee is $1000 US |
| [11:52:27] | justinh: | must try & stop helping people do their job & not get paid for it |
| [11:52:31] | ** mikejf runs away with your knowledge laughing manically ** | |
| [11:53:05] | lyricnz: | Mumudvb looks like it's based on dvbstream anyway |
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| [11:53:55] | lyricnz: | but can broadcast all channels in a transponder |
| [11:54:22] | mikejf: | Yeah, well that seems to be the direction to take, thanks for that |
| [11:54:25] | justinh: | never played with multicast.. never really had need to |
| [11:55:32] | justinh: | guessing all the magic happens in the switch |
| [11:57:26] | lyricnz: | mikejf: some other guy extended dvbstream too – http://www.orcas.net/dvbstream/ |
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| [12:39:13] | jayvee: | If EIT scanning is enabled, my DVB device is in use permanently. If disabled, the DVB device is freed when not watching/recording live TV. For obvious reasons, I like to keep EIT scanning enabled. However, I sometimes like to access the DVB device directly with VLC to, for example, transcode on-the-fly via RTSP to my mobile phone. Is it possible to politely ask mythbackend to temporarily close the device without having to disable EIT scanning |
| [12:40:37] | justinh: | nope |
| [12:40:51] | jayvee: | something like mythbackend --whatever-youve-got-i-want-some-too /dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0 |
| [12:40:55] | justinh: | just get another device. they're dirt cheap |
| [12:40:59] | jayvee: | hehe |
| [12:41:29] | jayvee: | I should probably get a USB tuner next time. the current one is a PCI tuner that loses signal when the PC overheats. |
| [12:41:57] | jayvee: | for the record, the PC overheats just *recording*, let alone decoding MPEG. rather useless as a frontend, wouldn't you say? :) |
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| [12:42:37] | jayvee: | 2.4 GHz Pentium 4, 1GB RAM, with a GeForce 6200 video card |
| [12:45:36] | jayvee: | is there such thing as an AGP VDPAU card? |
| [12:45:44] | justinh: | nope |
| [12:46:37] | justinh: | so if the tuner is DVB, which I assume it is because you talk about EIT.. the overhead of recording is umm... pretty much *nothing* |
| [12:46:46] | jayvee: | it's DVB, yeah |
| [12:47:13] | justinh: | all that needs to happen is a stream of a few megabits gets stuffed onto disk |
| [12:47:20] | justinh: | very little CPU usage there |
| [12:47:22] | jayvee: | I know the signal level is fine when the PC is cool, and the PC does tend to cool down when it's not recording |
| [12:47:56] | jayvee: | there's only <10% CPU use when recording, but that's enough to overheat it |
| [12:48:05] | justinh: | (!) |
| [12:48:16] | jayvee: | it's an old IBM desktop |
| [12:48:18] | justinh: | maybe you should try fitting a heatsink to the CPU |
| [12:48:22] | jayvee: | haha |
| [12:48:44] | jayvee: | I did a BIOS upgrade the other day that caused it to recognise the Pentium 4 CPU, and now it guns the fan a bit harder, so it has improved a bit |
| [12:48:54] | jayvee: | but it still glitches when watching SD video |
| [12:48:57] | justinh: | still though... |
| [12:48:58] | jayvee: | and HD it can't cope with at all |
| [12:49:11] | justinh: | 2.4GHz should be more than enough for SDTV |
| [12:49:26] | justinh: | unless you're not using the closed source nvidia drivers |
| [12:49:38] | jayvee: | well that's what I thought, given that my 1.6 GHz Intel Atom—based Eee PC can watch HD fine |
| [12:49:49] | justinh: | if you're trying to use the open source nv driver & doing video playback.. erm.. yeah that'd make it suck rather |
| [12:49:55] | jayvee: | but I also thought that the Atom may have newer CPU instructions that the P4 doesn't have |
| [12:50:25] | jayvee: | it is using the proprietary driver, yeah. I can't make it play nicely with the S-video otherwise. ;) |
| [12:50:44] | justinh: | then methinks your motherboard is toast.. and/or CPU |
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| [12:51:12] | jayvee: | it came with a Celeron 2.2 GHz when I first got it, and that couldn't even handle SD |
| [12:51:24] | justinh: | nope, something is very very wrong there |
| [12:51:35] | jayvee: | put in a Pentium 4 shortly after installing MythTV, which did make SD almost watchable |
| [12:51:50] | lyricnz: | dude, get something modern, SO much faster. |
| [12:51:54] | justinh: | because an an xbox with its stupidly lame 700Mhz celeron or whatever can play SDTV just fine |
| [12:52:12] | jayvee: | I was speaking to someone and they kept saying RAM RAM RAM, but given that the whole system + backend + frontend is only using ~350M, I doubt it's a RAM issue |
| [12:52:17] | jayvee: | plus swap is not being used at all |
| [12:52:30] | justinh: | a FE/BE would be pretty happy with only 512MB |
| [12:52:42] | jayvee: | yeah, I have an old xbox running xbmc, and apart from it sucking at seeking, it handles myth:// quite well |
| [12:52:58] | justinh: | like I say, I think the MB is toast |
| [12:53:02] | jayvee: | a pity most of what I watch is on the ABC News 24 channel, which is only available on HD |
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| [12:53:23] | jayvee: | what's your mythbox use? |
| [12:53:26] | justinh: | isn't Australian HD h.264 or something too? |
| [12:53:32] | jayvee: | nope, still MPEG-2 |
| [12:53:41] | lyricnz: | you can get a pretty kickass all-in-one system for a couple hundred bucks |
| [12:53:41] | jayvee: | MPEG-2 720p for ABC News 24 |
| [12:53:46] | jayvee: | MPEG-2 1080i for One HD |
| [12:53:49] | justinh: | 2.8Ghz should cope with that.. heck |
| [12:53:58] | justinh: | but not if it can barely even play SDTV :P |
| [12:54:23] | jayvee: | I was thinking of an NVIDIA ION based setup, but I don't want to have to deal with the proprietary driver if I don't have to |
| [12:54:28] | jayvee: | then again, VDPAU is sweet |
| [12:54:32] | justinh: | my current backend is some stupid AMD cpu I think |
| [12:54:43] | justinh: | frontend is C2D Mobile 1.8ghz IIRC |
| [12:54:47] | lyricnz: | yeah, same. it's super slow, compared to my newer frontend. |
| [12:55:08] | jayvee: | hey, I've always had AMD on my desktops. never given me any trouble. |
| [12:55:17] | justinh: | hahaha.. celeron e1500 |
| [12:55:23] | lyricnz: | my backend is: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 3800+ |
| [12:55:32] | justinh: | I pay so little attention to it I forget easily :) |
| [12:55:33] | lyricnz: | which is only cause my old MB blew up |
| [12:55:41] | lyricnz: | before that, it was an athlon XP2000 |
| [12:55:48] | lyricnz: | which was pretty ancient |
| [12:55:52] | ** justinh needs a new desktop machine for AVCHD video editing ** | |
| [12:56:38] | justinh: | something with nvidia in it, so Sony Vegas can do HW accelerated rendering :D |
| [12:58:59] | hashbang: | jayvee: my old MythTV FE/BE was a Celeron 1.7GHz with 256MB RAM, 3 Hauppauge Nova-T tuners (configured as 6 virtual tuners using multirec) and a Geforce 440MX. Worked fine. More RAM made the UI more responsive, and I eventually upgraded to a P4 2.53GHz to make MythArchive transcode to DVD quicker. |
| [13:00:01] | jayvee: | hashbang: wow, and that was 720x576 standard def? |
| [13:00:06] | hashbang: | jayvee: yup |
| [13:00:23] | jayvee: | this PC is screwed |
| [13:00:28] | hashbang: | jayvee: I reckon |
| [13:00:48] | hashbang: | jayvee: oh, it was *also* my firewall, DNS, DHCP server... |
| [13:00:52] | justinh: | listen, an 800Mhz athlon was used as a master backend & playback machine at LugRadio 2 years in a row.. served 2 other frontends & played SDTV just fine |
| [13:01:31] | justinh: | that just had a nvidia fx5200 card inside. no xvmc |
| [13:01:45] | jayvee: | it's a small form factor casing — I still reckon cooling is half the problem |
| [13:02:00] | hashbang: | jayvee: Intel CPUs will throttle if they get hot |
| [13:02:00] | jayvee: | especially given that the BIOS upgrade that fixed fan issues also drastically improved performance |
| [13:02:51] | jayvee: | don't talk to me about CPU throttling. had a compaq laptop from way back (Presario something-or-other) with a desktop Pentium 4 2.4 GHz in it |
| [13:03:03] | jayvee: | why they thought putting a desktop CPU in a laptop was a good idea I'll never know |
| [13:03:14] | jayvee: | the sticker on the laptop said "desktop power, laptop mobility" |
| [13:03:25] | jayvee: | so that was compaq owning up to the crime |
| [13:03:49] | hashbang: | jayvee: a friend had some Advent or Packard Bell laptop; it just abruptly switched off when it overheated until we put a new kernel that supported its ACPI properly. |
| [13:03:52] | jayvee: | needless to say, after 5 minutes of gaming, the whole system would grind to a halt as it underclocked itself |
| [13:05:00] | lyricnz: | can linux+myth drive an onboard hdmi output, including sound? |
| [13:05:29] | hashbang: | lyricnz: should be able to, but I haven't tried personally |
| [13:05:32] | AndyCap: | lyricnz: works fine with my intel G45 |
| [13:05:35] | hashbang: | lyricnz: there's stuff on the Wiki about it |
| [13:05:36] | justinh: | myth can't do anything like that |
| [13:05:37] | anykey_: | lyricnz: works for me with G33 |
| [13:05:39] | justinh: | leave it up to linux |
| [13:05:41] | lyricnz: | one of these all-on-board thing. |
| [13:05:45] | lyricnz: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?It . . . 938&SID= |
| [13:05:50] | justinh: | if it works in linux, mythtv is good with it |
| [13:06:22] | lyricnz: | looks like a good candidate for a small frontend. low power (with an i3), onboard everything, etc. |
| [13:06:26] | AndyCap: | lyricnz: you probably want nvidia vdpau capable hardware though |
| [13:06:30] | lyricnz: | lowish. |
| [13:06:38] | hashbang: | justinh: provided MythTV's (valid) usage of it doesn't provoke a driver bug (see VDPAU in nVidia's 260 drivers) |
| [13:06:51] | justinh: | you really likely don't want to end up relying on vdpau |
| [13:07:03] | justinh: | I used to rely on xvmc, which was fine when it was happy |
| [13:07:31] | ** AndyCap has no fancy acceleration on his intel G45 ** | |
| [13:08:02] | AndyCap: | but I use a core 2 duo 3.16ghz |
| [13:08:41] | lyricnz: | it looks like IBM are providing decent linux drivers for their HW these days |
| [13:08:53] | AndyCap: | lyricnz: which is what+ |
| [13:09:11] | lyricnz: | for their video cards, I mean |
| [13:09:15] | lyricnz: | http://intellinuxgraphics.org/documentation.html |
| [13:09:42] | AndyCap: | so you mean intel? |
| [13:09:46] | justinh: | gah. I really wish vendors would bundle stuff |
| [13:09:50] | lyricnz: | ahhh |
| [13:09:53] | lyricnz: | I mean intel, hahah |
| [13:09:59] | lyricnz: | ibm crap brain all day |
| [13:10:04] | justinh: | I want *fast* CPU. *A* motherboard, *some* RAM .. |
| [13:10:31] | lyricnz: | justinh: well, sandybridge does gpu+cpu, that's a start? :) |
| [13:10:32] | justinh: | I don't want to have to choose between 6 different types of motherboard |
| [13:10:32] | AndyCap: | justinh: I'm pretty sure I've seen that in stores, it's called a PC |
| [13:10:53] | justinh: | AndyCap: end up paying through the nose for stuff I won't want. like a windows licence |
| [13:11:38] | AndyCap: | justinh: slimeantec anti-virus, office trial, aol, bonzi buddy |
| [13:11:49] | justinh: | yeah and that |
| [13:11:49] | hashbang: | justinh: i5–760, Asus P7H55 or P7P55 (better), some Kingston Value Ram |
| [13:11:53] | AndyCap: | crap blue leds |
| [13:12:08] | jayvee: | hey I used bonzibuddy back in the ‘90s |
| [13:12:29] | jayvee: | back before anybody know the meaning of spyware |
| [13:12:47] | justinh: | Packard Bell. ROFLMAO |
| [13:12:58] | justinh: | HP. ROFLMAO |
| [13:13:38] | justinh: | Dual Core 'advent' desktop 'base unit' here.. ooo.. £250 and it's got an E5300 CPU inside |
| [13:13:46] | justinh: | and 2GB RAM! |
| [13:14:12] | justinh: | oo Intel GMA X3100 graphics! |
| [13:14:22] | AndyCap: | not the state of the art but |
| [13:14:42] | hashbang: | justinh: probably plenty powerful enough for most of DSGI customers |
| [13:14:44] | justinh: | case+ram+PSU+mobo+CPU == £less |
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| [13:15:06] | justinh: | you can buy serious horses for a couple of hundred quids |
| [13:15:38] | hashbang: | justinh: no "support", plus no system-wide warranty, just a parts warranty |
| [13:15:39] | AndyCap: | what's dsgi? |
| [13:15:49] | hashbang: | AndyCap: Dixons Group |
| [13:15:52] | justinh: | dixons sales group something |
| [13:15:52] | AndyCap: | oh. |
| [13:16:24] | AndyCap: | they own one of the large retailers here too |
| [13:16:46] | AndyCap: | dixon stores group retail, owned by dixon stores group international |
| [13:16:51] | hashbang: | if I was going to buy a prebuilt system, I'd buy a Mac, or a Dell (desktop) or Toshiba (laptop) |
| [13:17:33] | justinh: | I got a deal on something there a while back, ended up waiting in line behind a guy who was trying to put his own system together from boxes. he picked it all out himself but the checkout guy was insisting he speak to 'an advisor' |
| [13:17:37] | hashbang: | hmm, or Acer or Asus for a netbook, probably. |
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| [13:17:57] | AndyCap: | hah, they own pixmania too |
| [13:18:16] | justinh: | oh so is that why a 2GB card now costs £30 from them? |
| [13:19:12] | hashbang: | justinh: TBH, common practice for photography shops – slim margins on cams, bodies, lenses, big margins on memory cards, bags etc. |
| [13:19:26] | AndyCap: | For the good of the oligarchy, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dixons_Retail |
| [13:20:15] | hashbang: | justinh: when I got my DSLR last summer, PC World wanted ~£50 for an 8GB SDHC. I ordered from Jersey and got some for ~£12. |
| [13:20:21] | hashbang: | (faster, too) |
| [13:20:35] | justinh: | hmm AMD Athlon II X4 640 under £80 |
| [13:20:44] | hashbang: | justinh: indie cam shops wanted ~£30 |
| [13:21:05] | justinh: | may well go AMD for CPU again |
| [13:21:20] | hashbang: | justinh: I guess the thinking is that if you've bought a cam on impulse, you won't want to wait for stuff like memory cards to show up from mail order |
| [13:21:28] | justinh: | heh |
| [13:21:39] | justinh: | aka "we-saw-you-coming.com" |
| [13:21:54] | hashbang: | justinh: of course, if you order the memory in advance, knowing whatever you buy will use SDHC or whatever... |
| [13:22:07] | justinh: | yeah did the same with my camera & camcorder |
| [13:22:21] | justinh: | along with the old RTFM before even placing the order ;) |
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| [13:23:39] | justinh: | AMD 3GHz Quad core, board & RAM.. £168.05 inc VAT |
| [13:23:54] | justinh: | needs a video card, case & RAM.. prolly take it to £250 |
| [13:24:24] | hashbang: | justinh: I only wish I had ordered some cheap UV filters before I bought; the cam shop was out of stock, and other places were £££, so I felt I had to wait a few days before I could take it out of the house... |
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| [13:25:22] | justinh: | ooo GTX590 with 3GB RAM.. 'only' six hundred quids! |
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| [13:26:42] | hashbang: | justinh: GT430s are quite bargainous, if you don't need fanless |
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| [13:29:26] | justinh: | heh I was right. About £250 for a new quad core box |
| [13:29:43] | justinh: | no slouch, prolly perfect for AVCHD editing too.. well for my needs anyhow |
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| [13:44:22] | JEDIDIAH__: | AMD boards can be quite cheap. |
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| [13:47:59] | mycoDA: | $50 or less |
| [13:48:28] | mycoDA: | more for HT3 |
| [13:49:24] | justinh: | I can't use dollar prices |
| [13:49:40] | justinh: | when it comes to PC component prices, we get about 1GBP to the USD :-\ |
| [13:50:06] | mycoDA: | is ok – they are AUD |
| [13:53:07] | mycoDA: | even with the dollar at parity with theirs, our prices are about 30% higher |
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| [15:17:02] | tgm4883: | iamlindoro, I was told you resolved your 0-byte recording issue by running a newer kernel? What kernel version was that? |
| [15:17:13] | tgm4883: | I'll get some people testing on it |
| [15:27:15] | sphery: | or, more specifically, that the no longer seems to have the issue, and it may have been fixed by the kernel upgrade :) |
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| [15:28:55] | sphery: | wagnerrp: exactly... using the db info, just like we currently do to figure out where the database is |
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| [17:49:14] | wagnerrp: | i swear... every single time i try to do subclassing in c++, i end up with vtable issues |
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| [18:01:29] | wagnerrp: | sphery: note that machine on the list is a single core, 2GHz socket 754, with a saturated PCI bus |
| [18:01:57] | sphery: | wagnerrp: ahhh... interesting |
| [18:02:07] | sphery: | want to mention that? |
| [18:02:08] | wagnerrp: | chances are his disk controllers are running on the same PCI bus as his video card |
| [18:02:38] | wagnerrp: | and since his PCI video card is trying to push 1920x1080p60 |
| [18:02:54] | wagnerrp: | its consuming a huge amount of bandwidth |
| [18:03:35] | sphery: | ah, makes sense |
| [18:03:48] | sphery: | I didn't notice the PCI video card (just presumed that no one uses those, anymore) |
| [18:04:06] | sphery: | I know. I know. When you presume, you make a pres out of u and me |
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| [18:10:02] | wagnerrp: | are thumbnails loaded asynchronously? |
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| [18:11:44] | sphery: | wagnerrp: yep |
| [18:12:15] | sphery: | the theme CPU thing I'm likely to "fix" this week... |
| [18:12:19] | wagnerrp: | so trying to pull those off the disk at the same time shouldnt impede initial load |
| [18:12:54] | sphery: | just have to get everyone to agree to let me change the animation rate to 12/24/30fps or some value based on display rate |
| [18:13:20] | sphery: | in theory, shouldn't slow initial load, but can be an I/O load that slows other stuff |
| [18:13:34] | sphery: | I don't think it's previews for him, though |
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| [18:15:44] | wagnerrp: | i dont understand this |
| [18:15:44] | wagnerrp: | i dont have any undefined virtual functions |
| [18:15:44] | wagnerrp: | i should not be getting vtable issues |
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| [18:41:18] | clever: | wagnerrp: its a qt thing |
| [18:42:16] | clever: | wagnerrp: are you linking the .moc.o file for that object? |
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| [18:45:40] | wagnerrp: | yeah, i didnt have the headers defined in the pro for qt to compile into MOCs |
| [18:45:40] | wagnerrp: | im not looking anywhere, problem was solved by adding those files to the .pro |
| [18:46:17] | clever: | :) |
| [18:46:36] | wagnerrp: | i just always seem to miss that step when adding new files |
| [18:46:54] | wagnerrp: | and i miss that step sufficiently far apart that i dont remember that was the cause |
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| [18:49:19] | noobiewan: | Hello, I'm looking for an application that can let me record a tv channel continuously in the background. I don't need to schedule or have tv listings etc... does Mythtv provides something like this? Can I use it without database and stuff? |
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| [18:49:41] | iamlindoro: | Yes, No |
| [18:49:47] | wagnerrp: | what tuner do you have? |
| [18:49:56] | noobiewan: | hauppauge 1250 |
| [18:50:12] | wagnerrp: | then use the dvb utilities to tune the channel you want |
| [18:50:27] | wagnerrp: | and then just 'cat /dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0 > some_file.mpg' |
| [18:50:36] | wagnerrp: | i think its frontend, could be one of the other files in there |
| [18:50:52] | noobiewan: | oh nice |
| [18:51:48] | noobiewan: | the dvb utilities aren't from mythtv right? |
| [18:53:13] | wagnerrp: | no, theyre from linuxtv, the same project that manages the DVB API and tuner drivers |
| [18:55:18] | noobiewan: | thank you |
| [18:55:39] | Wicked: | ok i got my hdpvr today...just upgraded its firmware and hooked it up. ran mythtv-setup...nuked all my cards and sources then added the hdpvr and a new video source. im running mythfill now...and recompiling mythtv here on the desktop. Anything else need to be done? fromt he testing i did...the hdpvr is outputting files fine. |
| [18:55:53] | Wicked: | oh..and ihave the channel changer working as well(firewire). |
| [18:56:23] | Wicked: | its gonna be about 45 mins until i can test...what file container does myth store hdpvr output in? mpg? mkv? ts? |
| [18:56:44] | clever: | wagnerrp: mpg i think |
| [18:57:11] | clever: | Wicked: oops, mpg |
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| [18:57:36] | Wicked: | ok. for some reason i thought it stored it in mkv...maybe because ive read it does x264 |
| [18:57:38] | Wicked: | i think |
| [18:57:40] | Wicked: | hehe |
| [18:58:01] | clever: | 264 is a codec, nothing to do with the container |
| [18:58:26] | wagnerrp: | and x264 is a specific encoder, not the codec |
| [18:58:38] | Wicked: | ah. |
| [18:59:23] | Wicked: | welp im excited to finally have a hdpvr! |
| [18:59:32] | wagnerrp: | the hdpvr outputs h264 video, and either aac (analog) or ac3 (passthrough) audio, in an mpeg2ts container |
| [18:59:33] | Wicked: | cant wait to get this all working and setup |
| [18:59:56] | clever: | but the actual question is, what does myth store that as? |
| [19:00:13] | clever: | mpeg2ts or just plain mpg? |
| [19:01:44] | wagnerrp: | ts |
| [19:01:56] | sphery: | So, it turns out the smell of burning in the other room is coming from my mythtv dev box |
| [19:02:04] | sphery: | should I be worried that it wasn't even turned on? |
| [19:02:09] | wagnerrp: | fun! |
| [19:02:17] | wagnerrp: | bad time for power supply |
| [19:02:21] | iamlindoro: | No, you should be worried that it'll never turn on again |
| [19:02:22] | sphery: | the on-mobo led wasn't lit |
| [19:02:32] | sphery: | (the one saying it has power from psu) |
| [19:02:50] | sphery: | the psu smells like a bad soldering job (i.e. like it smells when I try to solder things) |
| [19:02:56] | iamlindoro: | The LED went out so it turned on the olfactory indicator of power application |
| [19:03:06] | sphery: | guessing I need a new psu, but wonder if I need a new mobo/cpu/... |
| [19:03:11] | sphery: | heh |
| [19:03:30] | sphery: | the system has been locking up recently, too, with SATA errors (disk not ready) |
| [19:03:48] | sphery: | I suppose that may be related to a failing psu |
| [19:03:55] | clever: | could have been having brown-outs on a 12v rail causing the disk to not spin up |
| [19:04:20] | sphery: | on the bright side, it's one of my old non-80-plus psu's |
| [19:04:32] | sphery: | was put in the dev box since the dev box doesn't run oten |
| [19:04:34] | sphery: | often, even |
| [19:04:42] | sphery: | definitely not a 24/7 system |
| [19:05:25] | sphery: | I'll catch up on commits, then start rearranging components to see what needs replacing |
| [19:05:43] | wagnerrp: | i could just as believe the PSU was sending bad voltages and causing errors, as the board itself actually going bad |
| [19:05:49] | sphery: | (and, if it's more than the psu, won't get any mythtv work done for a few days :) |
| [19:06:08] | sphery: | yeah, just hoping that a failing psu didn't break my mobo/cpu/... |
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| [19:56:54] | Wicked: | does mythtv have "prefer hd" option? |
| [19:57:09] | Wicked: | for shows that air on both sd and hd channels? |
| [19:57:38] | wagnerrp: | yes, but all it does is bump the priority on HD shows up 10 points |
| [19:57:55] | Wicked: | hmm |
| [19:58:02] | wagnerrp: | meaning it is likely to skip a early recording if a later HD recording is available |
| [19:58:07] | Wicked: | i dont see the option under the show options |
| [19:58:12] | Wicked: | i see. |
| [19:59:21] | Wicked: | i previoulsy had a pvr150 and firewire...so id just tell mythtv to prefer the firewire which was set to only get hd channels. |
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| [20:01:12] | wagnerrp: | you can achieve what you want with priorities, but you MUST understand the implications of messing with priorities |
| [20:01:29] | Wicked: | yea. ill prob just erase the rules |
| [20:01:35] | Wicked: | and readd them on the hd channels |
| [20:01:45] | Wicked: | more tedious...but will work just how i want |
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| [20:14:57] | sphery: | well, my dev box boots, but I have no video... |
| [20:15:03] | sphery: | at least I didn't lose the HDD/file system |
| [20:15:22] | sphery: | may have to do some headless dev this week :) |
| [20:16:01] | bance: | I thought they were all headless! |
| [20:16:49] | bance: | :-p |
| [20:18:13] | Shadow__X: | blindly type and hope you dont make a mistake |
| [20:18:13] | Seeker`: | sphery: what happened to your dev box? |
| [20:18:53] | sphery: | yay, video works, now |
| [20:19:01] | sphery: | so it was only the PSU that burned up |
| [20:19:08] | sphery: | and didn't burn out any of the rest in the process! |
| [20:19:12] | Seeker`: | did the magic blue smoke come out? |
| [20:19:23] | sphery: | yeah--and crazy part was that the box wasn't even turned on |
| [20:19:32] | Seeker`: | O.o |
| [20:19:52] | sphery: | starting to think about what could have happened if this happened a week ago--when I was 2600 miles from home |
| [20:20:00] | bance: | LUCKY. LUCKY. LUCKY:-) |
| [20:20:08] | sphery: | didn't unplug the system when I left, so it sat there all week plugged in |
| [20:20:24] | bance: | juiced up |
| [20:20:44] | sphery: | this morning, I smelled the smoke and assumed it was one of the running systems... but no, it was one that wasn't on |
| [20:20:51] | Shadow__X: | surge? A while a go i bought what seemed to be a good power supply to have it died on it 2 weeks later. Luckily i was able to get a refund and it wasnt cheap either (180usd) |
| [20:21:02] | sphery: | we did have a power outage when I was gone |
| [20:21:06] | Shadow__X: | the real luck was that it did not break anything as it was on at the time |
| [20:21:11] | sphery: | but it's been giving me some problems for a few weeks, now |
| [20:21:20] | sphery: | that are the kind of problem I'd expect from a failing PSU |
| [20:21:29] | sphery: | so think it was just old age |
| [20:21:39] | bance: | RIP |
| [20:21:58] | sphery: | was a cheap non-80-plus psu I had salvaged when I decided to make a dedicated dev box |
| [20:22:12] | sphery: | so, time to find a replacement--but this time an 80 plus |
| [20:22:42] | sphery: | of all the things to fail, a non-80-plus psu is top of my list for good to fail |
| [20:23:02] | bance: | way to go recycle. recycle, recycle.... |
| [20:23:27] | sphery: | now I just have to wait for the air conditioning to remove all the blue smoke from my house so I can breathe again |
| [20:24:23] | bance: | ooooh just farted............ same boat |
| [20:24:27] | sphery: | heh |
| [20:24:47] | iamlindoro: | Oh Mark Lord... why do in four lines of udev what you can do in hundreds of bash |
| [20:26:34] | bance: | save the psalms for Sunday! |
| [20:31:52] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: everyone knows bash is the blessed language, udev is the work of the devil |
| [20:33:16] | bance: | Isis is the only cod! |
| [20:38:11] | bance: | anyone know how the F! went? |
| [20:38:12] | AndyCap: | Repent you unbelievers and bow down to devfs |
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| [20:40:48] | wagnerrp: | hehe... bash is for terminal users who have been bourne again |
| [20:41:12] | ** bance kowtows ** | |
| [20:42:08] | bance: | terminal users is a fatal expresion! |
| [20:42:58] | wagnerrp: | when they start writing hundreds of lines of bash doing something that could be accomplished in much less of some other language they are a terminal case |
| [20:43:13] | bance: | ? |
| [20:43:43] | bance: | LOL |
| [20:44:03] | wagnerrp: | user on the mailing list who in response to a problem that could be solved in a few lines of udev, instead pushed his own several hundred line bash script |
| [20:44:42] | bance: | more... |
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| [20:46:50] | sphery: | and I even got the system from which I borrowed a replacment psu working with an old non-80-plus psu that got put in the recycle pile after I got an 80 plus |
| [20:47:08] | sphery: | so all my stuff seems to be working, again--even while I wait for a replacement 80 plus psu |
| [20:47:33] | bance: | halieluilia |
| [20:47:38] | sphery: | this is the best kind of hardware failure--the kind you can work around without losing capability (only losing efficiency) |
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| [20:48:21] | bance: | YEAH...! |
| [20:48:28] | sphery: | (the dev box needed a 6-pin PCIe power connector, and the old non-80-plus psu I had sitting around didn't have it, so I stole a newer psu from another system, and put the old psu in the one that didn't need the pcie power) |
| [20:48:45] | sphery: | now to find a good sale on an 80 plus psu |
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| [20:55:39] | sphery: | antec basiq 430W for $44.95 + $0.00S&H – $10 w/promo code – $15 MIR, for $19.95 is the one to get, it seems |
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