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Sunday, April 3rd, 2011, 00:00 UTC
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[00:11:55] sailerboy_: hey
[00:11:59] sailerboy_: i'm trying to start mythtv-setup
[00:12:04] sailerboy_: and i'm getting a seg fault
[00:12:27] sailerboy_: someting about mysql
[00:12:30] sailerboy_: pastebining it now
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[00:13:13] sailerboy_: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/364640/
[00:13:55] sailerboy_: not quite sure what mythconverg.settings is
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[00:14:16] [R]: did you create the mythconverg database properly?
[00:14:33] [R]: well it connected to it... so it exists
[00:14:34] ** [R] ponders **
[00:14:44] [R]: sailerboy_: try wiping the database, and try again
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[00:15:05] sailerboy_: [R], i have little to no experiance with mysql
[00:15:15] [R]: well no better time to learn
[00:15:23] sailerboy_: lol
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[00:18:13] sailerboy_: [R], deleting it and recreating it doesn't do anything
[00:18:24] sailerboy_: i'm using this:
[00:18:24] sailerboy_: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/MythTV_HOWTO#Backend_setup
[00:18:49] [R]: well then you'll eitehr have to follow the real myth documentation
[00:18:55] [R]: or talk to whomever wrote those crack induced instructions
[00:18:59] sailerboy_: lol
[00:19:02] sailerboy_: ok then
[00:20:39] sailerboy_: the mc.sql that i have doesn't seem to work
[00:22:43] [R]: "work"?
[00:22:56] sailerboy_: i get the same seg fault
[00:23:12] sailerboy_: even if i downloaded it from mythtv's website
[00:23:13] [R]: paste the output
[00:23:17] sailerboy_: i did
[00:23:27] sailerboy_: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/364640/
[00:23:28] sailerboy_: same output
[00:23:33] [R]: if the output looks identical
[00:23:37] [R]: then you DIDN'T wipe the database
[00:23:42] sailerboy_: i did
[00:23:45] sailerboy_: and set it up again
[00:23:57] [R]: "set it up"?
[00:24:50] sphery: sailerboy_: if this is the first time you're setting up MythTV and you have no MythTV data to maintain: mysql -umythtv -p mythconverg -e 'DROP DATABASE mythconverg; CREATE DATABASE mythconverg;"
[00:24:52] sailerboy_: mysql -u root -p < database/mc.sql
[00:25:14] sailerboy_: i need to set up another user for mysql?
[00:25:17] sphery: then run mythtv-setup
[00:25:29] sphery: you already did, don't worry about it
[00:25:36] sphery: just use the command I gave
[00:25:45] sphery: and the password should be mythtv
[00:25:54] sailerboy_: missing a bracket somewhere?
[00:25:58] sphery: if that doesn't connect, it's what's causing the real problem
[00:26:00] sailerboy_: erm
[00:26:02] sailerboy_: semicolon?
[00:26:22] sphery: (and I have a fix for the can't connect problem)
[00:26:41] sphery: I need to see the output you're getting to know what's happening
[00:27:11] sailerboy_: seg fault, same as last time
[00:27:24] sphery: what happened with the command I gave?
[00:27:49] sailerboy_: sphery, it stayed in the mysql mode with a >
[00:27:54] sailerboy_: when you haven't finished a command
[00:28:02] sailerboy_: i entered mysql manually and entered the two commands
[00:28:04] sphery: then you didn't copy/paste the command right
[00:28:17] sphery: er, I didn't
[00:28:28] sphery: mysql -umythtv -p mythconverg -e 'DROP DATABASE mythconverg; CREATE DATABASE mythconverg;'
[00:28:36] sphery: (had the wrong quote on the end)
[00:30:54] sailerboy_: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/364646
[00:31:25] sailerboy_: sphery, ^^
[00:31:39] sphery: OK, I think you're missing a $HOME/.mythtv/mysql.txt
[00:32:01] sphery: and may not be providing the proper information in the prompt that asks for DB info
[00:32:16] sailerboy_: sphery, i'm on the first setup page
[00:32:20] sailerboy_: where it asks for locale
[00:32:54] sphery: what are you choosing?
[00:32:59] sailerboy_: english US
[00:33:17] sphery: please pastebin: mythbackend --version
[00:35:13] sailerboy_: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/364649
[00:35:31] sailerboy_: erm
[00:35:34] sailerboy_: h/o
[00:35:48] sailerboy_: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/364650
[00:35:52] sailerboy_: sphery, ^^
[00:36:16] sphery: not too helpful... what's the package version?
[00:36:54] sailerboy_: oh, i need to run mythbackend after setting up db right?
[00:37:05] ** sailerboy_ smacks self in head for not RTFMing **
[00:37:23] sphery: you have to run mythtv-setup to set up the database and configure mythbackend, then run mythbackend
[00:37:45] sailerboy_: not vice versa?
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[00:38:11] sphery: however, if mythtv-setup is failing to create the DB because of the GUI locale selection, you can short-circuit that by running mythbackend, it will create the DB, then it will exit telling you that you have to run mythtv-setup first
[00:38:23] sailerboy_: ok
[00:38:23] sphery: then run mythtv-setup, configure, then mythbackend
[00:38:29] sailerboy_: ok
[00:38:30] sailerboy_: that'll work
[00:38:40] sphery: if it /does/ work, please tell me
[00:38:51] sphery: so that I can fix the locale selection to not prevent initial db setup
[00:39:07] sailerboy_: ok lol
[00:39:26] sailerboy_: it's stuck on Upgrading to MythTV schema version 1226
[00:39:29] sailerboy_: how long will that take?
[00:39:52] sphery: shouldn't get stuck
[00:40:01] sphery: 1226 is the initial db schema version it puts into a blank DB
[00:40:26] sphery: it should happen in milliseconds
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[00:41:02] sailerboy_: well
[00:41:03] sailerboy_: it's stuck
[00:41:14] sphery: kill it, then restart it
[00:41:27] sailerboy_: tried that already
[00:41:31] sailerboy_: still stuck same place
[00:41:42] sphery: then drop the db, start mythbackend
[00:41:48] sphery: mysql -umythtv -p mythconverg -e 'DROP DATABASE mythconverg; CREATE DATABASE mythconverg;'
[00:42:23] sailerboy_: still stuck
[00:42:40] sphery: not sure what's happening, then
[00:43:11] sphery: ideally, you'd just run mythtv-setup, it would create the db, then you configure mythbackend in it, then shut down mythtv-setup and start mythbackend
[00:43:35] sphery: I tried to get 0.24's mythtv-setup to fail a little over a month ago, and couldn't
[00:43:52] sphery: and nothing has changed in -fixes that should have broken it
[00:43:53] sailerboy_: oh wow
[00:43:54] sailerboy_: that worked
[00:43:58] sphery: what worked?
[00:43:59] sailerboy_: just dropping the database
[00:44:03] sailerboy_: and starting mythtv-setup
[00:44:09] sphery: ok, then you had some partial/corrupt schema
[00:44:12] sphery: which caused the problems
[00:44:20] sailerboy_: so i should yell at my package manager?
[00:44:51] sphery: could be that, or the wiki page you were following, or some step you took (that may or may not have worked as described in the page)
[00:45:20] sailerboy_: oh
[00:45:22] sphery: unfortunately, without knowing exactly what step broke things, it's hard to yell at the right source :)
[00:45:27] sailerboy_: now it's asking me to setup the database
[00:45:46] sailerboy_: this wiki page: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/MythTV_HOWTO#Backend_setup
[00:46:24] sailerboy_: sphery, it won't work because the database refuses to be set up
[00:46:28] sailerboy_: erm
[00:46:36] sailerboy_: mythtv-setup wants me to set up the database
[00:46:39] sailerboy_: but if i do, it doesn't work
[00:48:05] sailerboy_: any suggestions?
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[00:48:40] sphery: I'm out of ideas :(
[00:49:04] sailerboy_: :(
[00:49:18] sailerboy_: if i go to my distro's irc channel
[00:49:19] sphery: unless you're running without current -fixes
[00:49:25] sailerboy_: they'll just yell at me
[00:49:25] sphery: I don't know what else to try
[00:49:29] sailerboy_: to come here
[00:49:38] sphery: if you can upgrade to current 0.24-fixes, that may work for you
[00:49:50] sphery: (might have to drop DB again)
[00:50:00] sailerboy_: well
[00:50:10] sailerboy_: the version that's out is 0.24–1
[00:50:53] sphery: yeah, and since the Arch packagers don't properly set the revision information, we have no clue what that means
[00:51:00] sailerboy_: lol
[00:51:30] sailerboy_: lemme check AUR
[00:51:32] sphery: i.e. the mythbackend --version output should say a a branch name and revision number, not "exported" for the MythTV Branch
[00:52:11] sailerboy_: lol
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[00:52:16] sailerboy_: i'll install the svn revision from AUR then
[00:53:23] sailerboy_: is it stablish
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[00:56:04] sailerboy_: sphery, ?
[00:56:25] sphery: we've switched to git
[00:56:32] sailerboy_: sigh
[00:56:35] sphery: git fixes/0.24 is stable
[00:56:45] kisak: mostly
[00:56:54] sphery: if you get git "master" (our unstable/development branch), it's not stable
[00:57:13] sailerboy_: so what about this repo: http://code.mythtv.org/svn/branches/release-0-24-fixes/mythtv
[00:57:17] sailerboy_: is that stable or not?
[00:57:25] kisak: it's old
[00:57:37] sailerboy_: sigh
[00:57:38] sphery: yeah, old
[00:57:40] sailerboy_: i'll just install manually
[00:57:50] sphery: see http://code.mythtv.org/trac/
[00:57:56] sphery: Stable: If you'd like to get the 0.24 stable branch, do this:
[00:58:49] kisak: I have a couple channels that mythtranscode always fail to process
[00:59:14] kisak: lossy and lossless
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[00:59:47] sailerboy_: sphery, so we should yell at the package managers?
[00:59:48] kisak: lossless deadlocks and lossy produces corrupt audio
[00:59:49] sailerboy_: for arch?
[01:00:34] sphery: sailerboy_: seems they haven't updated their packages for the new repo
[01:00:38] sphery: don't know if there's a reason for it
[01:00:55] sphery: kisak: that sounds pretty typical, to me... same thing happens here for some channels
[01:01:24] sphery: kisak: I think the issue is that the broadcast encoding has changed and no one has done any work on mythtranscode to update it for the new encoding options
[01:01:38] kisak: sphery: well, it's good that I'm not alone, it's sad that others suffer with me
[01:01:59] sphery: true
[01:02:37] sphery: it's pretty much the bottom of my todo list--since I think transcoding is a complete waste of time/energy/HDD-read-and-write-cycles :)
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[01:02:56] sphery: I'm a watch and delete guy--have never kept a single recording after watching
[01:03:12] sphery: I just buy the shows that are good enough to keep on DVD, instead
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[01:03:50] kisak: well then ... I just exprienced a new bug
[01:05:32] NewBuntu81-2: Isn't transcoding what helps mythtv skip commercials? The auto commerical skipping is my favorite part!
[01:05:32] kisak: *experienced
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[01:07:56] sphery: NewBuntu81–2: no, mythcommflag just finds the location where commercials start and stop, so the player can skip those sections
[01:07:56] sphery: no transcoding required
[01:07:56] NewBuntu81-2: Ahhh, ok. Sorry, wrong terminology.
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[01:07:56] sailerboy_: so are there any binaries that are distrobuted?
[01:07:57] sailerboy_: other then by my package managers?
[01:07:57] kisak: I was watching a movie via livetv and I got the message saying that a scheduled recording is about to start. I didn't answer it because I was focusing on this chat, and I went over to mythtv just after the dialog disappeared and quit out of livetv, therefore the show was dropped and not recorded
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[01:07:57] NewBuntu81-2: For remote controls, LIRC, should the button code in the lirc.conf match the code for that key when you run irw and press the key?
[01:07:57] NewBuntu81-2: I'm trying to figure out if the lirc.conf file i'm using is incorrect for my remote.
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[01:09:28] kisak: sphery: the thing is that a couple months ago, the channels which get corrupt audio from transcoding didn't have a problem 2 months ago (0.24-fixes)
[01:19:59] wagnerrp: NewBuntu81–2: the phrase that you define in lircd.conf for the raw IR codes is what will be output by 'irw', and what you should program into your ~/.mythtv/lircrc
[01:20:19] NewBuntu81-2: ok, thank you.
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[01:37:36] mycosys: wagnerrp (and others) – curious what you would say to a forum that keeps recommending ION systems as mythtv frontends – lot of people go there as far as i can tell
[01:38:24] [R]: ion is good if all you care about is playing media that it supports
[01:38:31] [R]: but you lock yourself in to taht
[01:38:37] [R]: and you can't do antyhing else on the system
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[01:39:09] mycosys: got the feeling you guys were fed up to the back teeth with supporting ION issues?
[01:39:33] kisak: no response is a valid response, and the devs only need be concerned with the official stance of mythtv staff
[01:39:49] [R]: mycosys: ion "issues"?
[01:40:36] mycosys: people coming in with juddering playback etc that just about inevitably seems to be an ion
[01:40:53] [R]: thats cuz the cpu can't handle the video and/or vdpau can't handle the video
[01:40:54] [R]: like i said
[01:41:01] wagnerrp: mycosys: the 'juddering playback' is generally caused by people running deinterlacers beyond their means
[01:41:01] [R]: [06:38:23] [R] ion is good if all you care about is playing media that it supports
[01:41:07] [R]: or that
[01:41:31] wagnerrp: right, if you have good, clean media, and its encoded in a format supported by VDPAU, IONs are great
[01:41:48] wagnerrp: if you have glitchy media, or are using anything not supported by VDPAU, then youre SOL with an ION
[01:41:49] mycosys: and you dont mind using more basic deinterlacing, right
[01:42:17] wagnerrp: and by no means should you ever use an ION as a backend
[01:42:36] mycosys: why not as a abckend?
[01:42:42] mycosys: *backend lol
[01:42:57] [R]: cuz the cpu sucks
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[01:43:05] mycosys: (mainly so i can pass this on)
[01:43:27] wagnerrp: because people who know what theyre doing and understand the limitations of Atom on the backend, such that they can be trusted to pull it off, arent going to be asking on internet forums for advice
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[01:44:54] wagnerrp: i mean thats the gist of it
[01:45:10] wagnerrp: the ION is a one-size-fits-limited
[01:45:25] wagnerrp: but people on the internet tout it as a perfect solution to all woes
[01:45:48] wagnerrp: and as a result, people buy them, and it doesnt have enough power to suit their needs
[01:46:51] wagnerrp: what forum is this?
[01:46:53] mycosys: wagnerrp and [R] – would you guys mind if i c&p this, or would you prefer if i paraphrase?
[01:46:59] mycosys: overclockers.com.au
[01:47:35] wagnerrp: oh, well in that case they can just overclock their atom... and have a still very limited system
[01:47:51] [R]: lol
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[01:48:05] [R]: i have no fan, i'd probably blow mine up if i overclocked it
[01:48:06] mycosys: lol – is just the name of the forum
[01:48:16] [R]: it gets hot enough as is
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[01:49:47] mycosys: http://forums.overclockers.com.au/showthread.php?t=564660 is the thread
[01:50:12] mycosys: obviously the current posts are up past page 100
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[01:50:24] wagnerrp: basically, people can use Atoms as dedicated frontends if they wish
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[01:50:38] wagnerrp: but they need to realize that hardware decoding is not going to be capable of everything
[01:51:08] wagnerrp: and even though VDPAU supports h264, there is a good deal of broadcast content it cannot handle
[01:51:39] wagnerrp: and as much as i dont want to help that type of user, tons of downloaded content that is poorly encoded and wont work with VDPAU
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[02:23:00] mycosys: thanks guys
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[02:33:28] JEDIDIAH__: ...well, as far as the broadcast content goes even the basic MPEG2 stuff used to until very recently crash my frontends. Like anything else, you've just got to give it a try with what you want it to do and see how well it handles things (ION)
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[03:45:07] Beirdo: interesting
[03:45:22] Beirdo: udevadm trigger just took down my devel box?!
[03:45:24] Guest77023: Do anyone know the location of the file that has the parameters for mythweb's flash ffmpeg conversion.
[03:46:16] wagnerrp: https://github.com/MythTV/mythweb/blob/master . . . tream_flv.pl
[03:46:58] ** wagnerrp wonders why sean doesnt register a name already so he stops reverting back to a guest **
[03:49:51] Guest77023: Thanks wagnerrp, just wanted to let you know that it was a racing condition with the channel changes, I wrote a script using the flock command, I am going to add the script to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV_Exte . . . nnel_Changer
[03:50:27] Guest77023: Hahaha, how do I register a name
[03:50:38] wagnerrp: at least choose one that isnt registered
[03:51:16] wagnerrp: Beirdo: jp abq was the one who did the channel monitor changes right?
[03:52:20] Beirdo: I believe so, yes
[03:53:25] wagnerrp: jpabq: Guest77023 has an interesting issue there, i dont know if its something that should be considered for the channel monitor
[03:53:48] wagnerrp: when using an IR transmitter with multiple outputs
[03:54:00] wagnerrp: you have to set the transmitter, and then send the command
[03:54:05] Beirdo: yes
[03:54:17] wagnerrp: since two tuners are triggering at the same time, with the commands run simultaneously
[03:54:30] wagnerrp: hes getting a race condition in the channel change script between those two lines
[03:54:34] Beirdo: then you need to put lock files in the script
[03:54:54] wagnerrp: yeah, thats what i told him to do last week
[03:55:06] wagnerrp: just wondering if there might be something more intelligent mythtv could do
[03:55:25] Beirdo: not really at this point
[03:55:48] Beirdo: other than putting the two sources in an input group
[03:55:55] Beirdo: which is far too restrictive
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[03:56:37] Guest77023: I just wanted to add that the behaviour changed between 0.23 and 0.24. In 0.23 I did not get the race condition.
[03:56:54] Beirdo: hardly surprising
[03:57:02] Beirdo: a lot has changed since 0.23
[03:57:14] Guest77023: haha, I am sure it has :)
[03:58:36] Guest77023: where would be the best place to post my script so others can easily find it
[03:58:52] wagnerrp: http://mythtv.org/wiki/Category:Scripts
[04:00:37] Guest77023: perfect, thanks
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[04:03:30] jpabq: Interesting problem. I will have to think about it. It would definitely complicate things to try to do that locking *in* myth.
[04:03:41] wagnerrp: yeah, thats the problem
[04:04:01] Beirdo: yeah, we'd have to track yet another exclusive resource
[04:04:05] wagnerrp: i cant think of any way to do it intelligently, besides simply having some delay between successive calls
[04:04:17] Beirdo: which means more configurable settings
[04:04:26] wagnerrp: unless yes, we wanted to have another resource in the settings, and set up input groups
[04:04:31] Beirdo: easier to put the onus on the scripts
[04:04:38] [R]: the quality on this married with children is atrocious
[04:04:55] wagnerrp: isnt that a function of the show itself?
[04:05:18] Beirdo: hehe
[04:05:31] Beirdo: agreed... although I used to watch taht crap
[04:06:10] [R]: the visual quality
[04:06:12] markk: wagenrrp: 'and even though VDPAU supports h264, there is a good deal of broadcast content it cannot handle' – have you got examples of those? I haven't got a single clip here that VDPAU cannot play...
[04:06:26] markk: wagnerrp: ^^
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[04:07:00] wagnerrp: markk: i thought there were some DVB users whos broadcasters were using incompatible options
[04:07:04] wagnerrp: i could be mistaken though
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[04:07:16] Beirdo: avrdude: initialization failed, rc=-2
[04:07:19] Beirdo: boooo
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[04:08:19] wagnerrp: it may have been more that those users were getting frequent stream errors that VDPAU was choking on
[04:09:10] markk: wagnerrp: well, if you get wind of any that don't play – send them my way:)
[04:09:49] wagnerrp: will do
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[04:57:43] Beirdo: WOOHOO
[04:57:59] Beirdo: programming my AVR board for the first time
[04:59:00] mycosys: is there a wholesale way to delete all recordings of a given programme easily?
[05:00:22] wagnerrp: add to a playlist, delete the playlist
[05:00:33] mycosys: sweet thanks
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[05:44:53] wagnerrp: [9092[
[05:44:56] wagnerrp: [9092]
[05:44:56] MythLogBot: SVN 9092: (branch fixes/0.19) https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/81e67c0e
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[05:50:18] wagnerrp: odds that ecybertard's issue (#9709) is because hes using ext3 and deleting files?
[06:01:52] mycosys: does ext4 resolve the slow deletes for large files issue?
[06:03:14] wagnerrp: yes
[06:03:42] mycosys: will have to look into converting my 2TB drive over
[06:04:17] wagnerrp: that doesnt change the fact that he sounds like a tard, whipping his epenis all over trac, on what is likely a configuration issue and not a bug at all
[06:04:18] mycosys: thought it did – but worth checkin with an uberguru such as yourself
[06:04:44] mycosys: kinda made me lol – raid6 for a myth server
[06:05:00] wagnerrp: im using hardware raid6
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[06:05:16] mycosys: bettin you do a bit more than myth then?
[06:05:49] wagnerrp: well its my general file/mail/web/everything server
[06:06:15] mycosys: and hence wouldnt get a change to spin down anyway?
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[06:06:54] wagnerrp: no, it should be spinning down, but last time i did that i ended up with file corruption
[06:07:02] mycosys: ouch
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[06:08:02] mycosys: one reason not to use raid is that it needs all the drives spinning for any read – means 15watt more power then an lvm for the same job
[06:08:16] mycosys: and a plain ol media server is unlikely to need the bandwidth
[06:08:53] wagnerrp: no, but when you get into the several drive range, its nice to have the redundancy for archive
[06:09:41] mycosys: dont have enough on there that would worry me
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[06:14:11] Deek: Anyone seen a segfault when hitting the "Program Info" screen? Dies every time here.
[06:15:38] wagnerrp: do you have a core file?
[06:15:51] Deek: not yet
[06:16:15] Deek: likely qt4-related
[06:16:30] wagnerrp: any time you segfault, you produce a core file
[06:16:43] wagnerrp: (assuming 'ulimit' is configured properly)
[06:16:52] Deek: not with ulimits set, you don't :)
[06:20:50] Deek: hrm, crashed in libQtWebKit
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[06:21:49] hot_wheelz: hi the Hauppauge NOVA-TD Dual Tuner works fine OTB doesn't it?
[06:22:31] hot_wheelz: beter than a Afatech 9015 device right?
[06:25:35] wagnerrp: honestly, #linuxtv is the place to go to talk tuners
[06:25:46] wagnerrp: you might find someone in here who knows DVB parts
[06:26:02] wagnerrp: but its too early on a sunday morning for the european crowd
[06:26:15] hot_wheelz: ok
[06:26:16] wagnerrp: so most of the people in here currently will be north americans uplate
[06:26:24] wagnerrp: and we dont use DVB over here
[06:27:15] Deek: holy crap, qt4 debug packages are huge
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[06:30:18] Deek: 192MB for Qt4, 219MB for QtWebKit4
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[06:45:49] Deek: wagnerrp: OK, got a core opened in gdb
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[06:46:44] wagnerrp: bt full?
[06:47:31] Deek: The actual crash occurs in FixedVMPoolAllocator
[06:49:11] Deek: looks like it's trying to jit-compile JavaScript
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[06:49:57] wagnerrp: i didnt think the programinfo page had any javascript
[06:50:15] Deek: it doesn't
[06:50:38] Deek: might be because of the DOM though
[06:50:54] Deek: #6 0x00007fa7f1b80c42 in WebCore::JSDOMWindowBase::commonJSGlobalData ()
[06:50:54] Deek: at bindings/js/JSDOMWindowBase.cpp:160
[06:50:54] Deek: globalData = 0x0
[06:52:26] wagnerrp: is this 0.24 or 0.25?
[06:52:51] Deek: 0.24-fixes via marillat
[06:54:01] Deek: 20110112, but 20110328 shares this particular malfunction
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[11:07:47] artus37: Hi all
[11:07:55] artus37: anybody using myth and dvb-c?
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[12:39:14] sphery: "[mythtv-users] multi-seat linux & mythtv" ... I have to wonder why people think that approach is any different from saying, "Hi, I just bought a Q6600 based system, and I'd like to set it up to be shared by all # of the people working in my company, for running their X Windowing System and applications, like OpenOffice.org and Evolution and ..."
[12:40:15] sphery: but they still seem to think that a "standard" desktop can server as a remote server to some number of people (or in this case, some number of X/mythfrontend instances).
[12:40:32] sphery: there's a reason that Amazon has more than one Q6600 for their cloud...  :)
[12:53:05] mycosys: lol – the single gpu bit is where it just gets silly
[12:53:28] mycosys: painful apart from that, but that is just silly
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[13:04:23] sphery: yeah, single GPU is crazy
[13:04:45] sphery: since things like OpenGL, VDPAU, and Xv don't support multiple monitors on a single GPU
[13:05:08] sphery: (other than through something like TwinView, where for some of those, you can see the same output on both monitors)
[13:05:51] sphery: but, hey, if Flash can use X shared memory to poke bits into RAM, why can't MythTV?
[13:06:08] sphery: after all, we all know just how performant Flash is
[13:18:34] Seeker`: any idea why Im getting stuff recording twice? It records on C4/E4 and C4+1/E4+1
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[14:34:00] sphery: Seeker`: are they showing at the exact same time or an hour apart? If at the exact same time, there's a bug such that the same show on 2 different channels (i.e. channels with different callsigns) will record on both channels. To work around, set the callsign to the same (and note that you can still keep the channel number and channel name different.
[14:34:45] sphery: I'm assuming you mean the exact same time (meaning it records on C4 and records on E4 at the same time), because that's the only way it should ever record twice.
[14:35:11] markk: sphery: I'm pretty sure that with a fairly modern NVidia GPU with dual dvi/hdmi outputs, two independent sound outputs (e.g. HDMI and spdif) and using network controls, running 2 frontends on the same box is fairly trivial.
[14:35:36] sphery: Seeker`: note, though, that if C4 and E4 do not air the exact same content (meaning identical listings data), you shouldn't use the same callsign for the 2 channels.
[14:37:07] sphery: markk: I know that Xv is only supported on a single screen of a display (generally the first) for a given video card, and last I checked the same held true for OpenGL
[14:37:15] sphery: I assumed VDPAU would be the same
[14:38:02] sphery: but still, I think trying to run multiple frontends on the same physical host is a terrible idea since the frontend is the one part of mythtv that has a resource-intensive job--decoding and displaying the video
[14:38:46] sphery: my mythfrontend system is (and always has been) the most-powerful system in my network (of 11 machines)
[14:39:44] sphery: then again, I realize that a lot of people prefer using underpowered systems and saying they're perfect, so I guess using a single sufficiently-powerful system and breaking it up into several instances is about the same idea
[14:39:51] markk: sphery: I don't disagree that the potential problems are endless :) but I'm pretty sure I had 2 frontends operating on the same box when I was testing some multi-screen breakage a few weeks ago. I don't think VDPAU or OpenGL are an issue.
[14:41:51] markk: and I know the potential limitations of an atom/ion box have been brought up a number of times recently – but one of the original zotac ion boxes is still my primary frontend.
[14:43:05] sphery: interesting
[14:43:11] sphery: I'm still sticking with a proper cpu
[14:43:15] markk: :)
[14:43:16] sphery: with proper power management :)
[14:43:31] sphery: I do admit that ion can work for certain content
[14:43:35] sphery: with proper configuration
[14:43:47] sphery: but it's much easier to misconfigure when you have no headroom
[14:44:37] sphery: still, getting everything working properly on a single system is a challenge--especially since we have no control over what the video drivers support
[14:45:10] sphery: not to mention getting multiple lirc instances configured
[14:45:26] sphery: and multiple displays (with multiple cards or a single)
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[14:45:36] sphery: and keyboard/mouse/...
[14:45:56] sphery: just not worth it when you can get a nice Athlon II dual core system for $150
[14:46:36] markk: in some respects ion configuration is easy – use vdpau and nothing else, temporal 2X for deint. Done :)
[14:46:50] sphery: video wise, true
[14:50:32] sphery: (Oh, and that $150 will get you a nice--but not small--system. But if you put it in a different room, size, shape, beauty aren't a concern.)
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[15:38:14] Seeker`: sphery: Its not that it is recording on C4 and E4 at the same time, it is recording it on C4, then again on C4+1
[15:38:35] Seeker`: or on E4 then E4+1
[15:50:21] wagnerrp: markk, sphery: VDPAU is an issue, you cannot have more than one playback running at a time
[15:50:33] wagnerrp: but opengl, should be able to work if youve got enough power
[15:50:58] wagnerrp: except of course since you have to run nested X to get the independent sessions working properly
[15:51:09] wagnerrp: and thing slike opengl never worked well with nested X
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[16:18:12] sphery: Seeker`: so it records the same show an hour later?
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[16:18:35] sphery: Seeker`: if so, that should mean that they're not the same show--at least according to your duplicate matching policy
[16:18:51] sphery: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Duplicate_matching
[16:19:35] sphery: Seeker`: I'm guessing that you have programid's for the shows, but you have different "authority" values, so they're treated as different shows
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[16:20:40] trumee: anybody using zoneminder plugin? is it possible to show zm camera as a PIP in myth?
[16:21:08] sphery: not possible
[16:21:14] wagnerrp: you mean, over playback?
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[16:26:21] trumee: yes
[16:26:38] trumee: wagnerrp: playback in a PIP
[16:27:06] trumee: whever an event occurs, myth should display the video in a PIP
[16:27:18] wagnerrp: sphery: did anyone yet write up a windowed playback widget?
[16:27:43] wagnerrp: or is PIP still disabled globally?
[16:29:11] kisak: sphery: did you get that message I sent your way yesterday
[16:29:20] sphery: wagnerrp: not yet
[16:29:46] kisak: (repeat) I was watching a movie via livetv and I got the message saying that a scheduled recording is about to start. I didn't answer it because I was focusing on this chat, and I went over to mythtv just after the dialog disappeared and quit out of livetv, therefore the show was dropped and not recorded
[16:30:01] sphery: ah, yeah, I saw that but didn't say anything
[16:30:21] sphery: that part of the code has been often broken and I'm not surprised it didn't do what it should have
[16:30:31] kisak: well, oddly, mythbackend still thinks it's recording that show
[16:30:50] sphery: in theory, when a tuner that's in use for Live TV is needed, it's supposed to stop Live TV, and switch to the recording, by default
[16:31:09] sphery: users have also said that selecting something in that popup will lock up the UI
[16:31:25] sphery: so it thinks the recording recording is recording, not the livetv recording?
[16:31:36] kisak: yes
[16:31:41] sphery: but it didn't actually record?
[16:31:46] kisak: indeed
[16:31:51] sphery: did you check to see if it got put into the Live TV recording group?
[16:32:01] sphery: i.e. change the filter in watch recordings to include live tv
[16:32:31] sphery: (if so, it would probably have recorded, but wouldn't show up in watch recordings unless you change filter)
[16:32:36] kisak: it did not put it in the livetv category, it dropped the tuner
[16:32:52] sphery: "dropped the tuner" means?
[16:33:04] sphery: mythbackend said the tuner was "not recording" in status?
[16:33:24] sphery: or it said it was recording (in which case, it might have been, unless you have some proof it wasn't)
[16:33:47] kisak: ah, it thinks the tuner is still in use
[16:34:02] sphery: yeah, makes sense since it thinks the show is still recording
[16:34:23] sphery: however, since the show is over, it probably isn't recording now
[16:34:30] sphery: (may not have even recorded the show)...
[16:34:39] sphery: you may need to restart mythbackend to free the tuner, again
[16:35:30] sphery: we really need to find a dev who actually uses live tv if we're going to have live tv
[16:35:35] sphery: (or just drop it :)
[16:35:37] [R]: haha
[16:37:19] wagnerrp: trumee: if you feel up to it, with the OSD rewrite, it should not be /that/ difficult to create a video widget for PIP
[16:37:39] wagnerrp: and then you could spawn off a new persistent thread for mythzoneminder to listen in the background for events
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[16:37:53] wagnerrp: and trigger the widget popup
[16:38:12] sphery: wagnerrp: oh, yeah, and PIP is also still disabled globally, IIRC
[16:38:23] sphery: so we're still where were were before
[16:39:11] wagnerrp: yeah, i presume thats just because there is no video widget written, hence one would need to be for that capability
[16:39:29] sphery: right
[16:40:31] trumee: wagnerrp: sounds tricky
[16:41:13] wagnerrp: well you know the whole 'if you think it should be done better/differently'
[16:41:31] trumee: wagnerrp: i suppose a short term solution is to use the 'telnet interface' to the zm screen on alarm trigger
[16:41:48] wagnerrp: we have no telnet interface
[16:42:39] trumee: wagnerrp: 6546?
[16:42:49] trumee: wagnerrp: Network interface
[16:42:51] wagnerrp: yep, we have no telnet interface
[16:42:57] trumee: to mythfrontend
[16:43:10] wagnerrp: mythfrontend has no server that speaks telnet
[16:44:01] trumee: wagnerrp: well i use telnet client is what matters to me :)
[16:44:12] wagnerrp: you shouldnt
[16:44:21] trumee: wagnerrp: why not?
[16:44:30] wagnerrp: because that server does not speak telnet
[16:44:46] wagnerrp: its like forcing mythtv to talk to the wrong protocol version
[16:44:55] wagnerrp: it appears similar, but it is very much not
[16:44:59] trumee: wagnerrp: then what should i use?
[16:45:16] wagnerrp: if you want the same functionality that you used 'telnet' for, use 'nc'
[16:45:31] trumee: wagnerrp: right
[16:45:52] wagnerrp: its all the same command line access, but without the messy control codes
[16:46:11] wagnerrp: telnet is ascii, the frontend control socket is unicode
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[17:01:34] schneid3406: hello. i have verizon fios. is it possible to use myth tv to dvr my fios HD box? thanks.
[17:01:45] wagnerrp: schneid3406: read http://mythtv.org/wiki/Executive_Overview and http://mythtv.org/wiki/Recording_Digital_Cable
[17:02:09] wagnerrp: the latter page will explain the difficulties of getting out of your cable box rental
[17:02:20] wagnerrp: and why mythtv will likely not allow you to do so
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[17:05:01] schneid3406: i dont necessicairly want out of my cable box rental. i want out of the dvr rental.
[17:05:19] wagnerrp: getting rid of a DVR in favor of a dumb cable box, we can do
[17:05:47] wagnerrp: but dont thing youre going to end up on the cheap side of that $6 drop in your monthly cable bill
[17:05:52] wagnerrp: *think
[17:06:03] [R]: myth is a very costly hobby
[17:06:17] [R]: when i began, i was planning on evening out at like 2 years
[17:06:23] [R]: as it is now... i dont think i'll ever even out
[17:06:23] [R]: lol
[17:06:41] wagnerrp: well its a hobby, i wont call it a very costly one
[17:06:52] wagnerrp: most hobbies are costly
[17:06:55] schneid3406: yeah. figured as much. i bought a blue ray player. panasonnic pissed me off. i want to build a media center with the ability to be a dvr, play nextlix nad hulu and be a dvr.
[17:07:08] schneid3406: the DVR is going to be the hard part. everything else is simple.
[17:07:09] wagnerrp: netflix is going to be a problem
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[17:07:40] wagnerrp: since their DRM uses silverlight, it can only be used on windows and osx
[17:07:45] wagnerrp: mythtv is primarily linux
[17:07:57] schneid3406: son of a >:O i was going to run linux...
[17:08:38] schneid3406: because i want to be able to pull the dVR content off of the box. to save it
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[17:10:22] schneid3406: okay looks like i have to keep searching for solutions. thanks for the help.
[17:10:47] sphery: hulu is easy, now, but when they go all subscription--and likely add DRM to enforce it--may not be :)
[17:10:52] [R]: i gave up on netflix
[17:10:56] [R]: i use a weeeeeeeeeeeeee for it now
[17:11:35] sphery: yeah, Wii or PS3 or XBox360+XBox Live Gold membership or Roku or ... is the way to go for netflix
[17:11:44] sphery: TTBOMK, the Roku also does Hulu and some other stuff
[17:11:54] schneid3406: haha i have an xbox. dont want ot use it for netflix. afraid im gonna kill it in addition to the 3 hours a day and 8 hours a day on weekens i game hehe
[17:12:28] schneid3406: i was hoping to make a super pretty all inclusive media center... and get rid of this blu ray... looks like it isnt happening.
[17:12:31] sphery: heh, I understand that... Had 2 RRoD's in the 3yr warranty on mine, then one about 2 months after the warranty ended
[17:13:36] sphery: turned out the 3rd was PSU failure, so I got a new PSU ($40--went through MS, instead of a 3rd party PSU from Amazon, which was about $25-$30), and then disassembled the XBox, removed the X clips, and re-mounted the mobo using the steel case as the support
[17:13:40] schneid3406: yeah i might just deal with this blu ray panasonic effed me over. now just figure a way to get the DVRd content off the box...
[17:13:44] sphery: seems to have made the system much more reliable
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[17:14:14] sphery: but the whole $59.99/yr (or, if you shop during sales, at least $35.99/yr) for XBL membership so you can do Netflix streaming is BS
[17:14:22] sphery: they should offer that to everyone--with or without membership
[17:14:38] schneid3406: well i do play over live so... its not a total waste to me
[17:15:08] sphery: yeah, I do, too, so I have the membership... Just don't see why they charge for it when no one else does
[17:15:29] sphery: (charge for Netflix streaming on XB360... I don't mind that they charge for XBL)
[17:15:47] schneid3406: yeah makes sense
[17:17:23] schneid3406: okay well looks like i have a lot of figuring to do to get my all inclusive media tower. i dont get why they make this so hard.
[17:17:36] sphery: heh
[17:18:30] sphery: might want to look at Windows MCE, too... It may not be as good a DVR as MythTV, but it's Windows, so Netflix would work (and Hulu would work well--rather than through the garbage software that Adobe provides for GNU/Linux)
[17:18:31] schneid3406: thanks for your help!
[17:18:48] sphery: or some of the other Windows-based DVRs, too
[17:18:50] sphery: Sage, etc.
[17:19:06] schneid3406: yeah i definitely will look into that. i might just go with a tvio apparently ouy can download HD recordings to your computer
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[17:28:29] wagnerrp: sphery: you have to pay for the privilege of paying to use netflix?
[17:28:52] sphery: wagnerrp: exactly
[17:29:19] wagnerrp: someone should have told him he cant download any copy protected content from his tivo....
[17:29:24] sphery: almost as bad as Apple's taking 30% off the top for all subscriptions that are accessed through iOS
[17:30:02] sphery: isn't that only the copy once/copy never stuff that he wouldn't be able to get to?
[17:30:26] wagnerrp: right, stuff mythtv cant record at all (digitally)
[17:30:27] sphery: if so, then chances are (at least based on all the "HDHR Prime and Centon whatever will save MythTV" threads)
[17:30:31] sphery: he'll be fine
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[17:30:58] sphery: yeah, I think he wanted mythtv so he could copy stuff to a laptop or handheld or whatever
[17:31:04] sphery: so tivo is his alternate
[17:31:14] wagnerrp: that was for certain comcast franchises, not verizon
[17:33:07] sphery: ahh, so maybe not fine
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[18:58:06] wagnerrp: http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2066944&cid=34700480
[18:58:15] wagnerrp: whoops... http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2066944&cid=35700480
[18:58:40] wagnerrp: Beirdo: i think youll find that one amusing... ^^^
[19:05:26] [R]: you know what would be cool
[19:05:38] [R]: if when you were watching livetv, and you paused and/or rewound it a significant amount of time
[19:05:43] [R]: if the commflagger automaitcally kicked in
[19:05:43] wagnerrp: ice?
[19:06:00] [R]: no, that would be cold, ice cold
[19:06:05] [R]: (like that one song)
[19:06:08] wagnerrp: air conditioning?
[19:06:22] wagnerrp: i thought the song was 'cool as ice'
[19:06:30] [R]: no, your not thinking of the right one
[19:06:38] wagnerrp: ice ice baby, too cool, too cool
[19:06:56] [R]: no, wrong sokng
[19:07:06] wagnerrp: but its just so right
[19:07:06] [R]: http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/outkast/heyya.html
[19:07:19] [R]: Now what's cooler than bein' cool?
[19:07:19] [R]: (ICE COLD!) I can't hear ya'
[19:07:22] [R]: i guess they do mention cool
[19:07:24] [R]: but htey also mention cold
[19:07:47] wagnerrp: i dont listen to rap
[19:07:55] [R]: thats not rap
[19:08:03] [R]: they play it on my poppy station
[19:09:48] wagnerrp: poppy station.... they play opium music?
[19:10:31] [R]: haha
[19:10:34] [R]: its weird
[19:10:40] [R]: because when i was visiting my sister in st louis
[19:10:46] [R]: there was all this super poppy top 40 that i'd never heard
[19:10:56] [R]: so they are poppy to the extend of not playing crappy top 40 stuff
[19:11:02] wagnerrp: sure its weird, because youre in a drug induced trance
[19:11:25] [R]: LOL
[19:11:34] wagnerrp: youre listening to the dragon
[19:11:49] [R]: dragon?
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[19:14:41] orogor: hi here
[19:14:57] orogor: anyone may help since a week or so i can t tuner anything
[19:15:19] wagnerrp: [R]: 'chasing the dragon' means inhaling opiate vapor
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[20:35:05] G3kko: Trying to set up irsend w/ the HD-PVR, kernel says "IR Tx" is ready, but irsend tells me "hardware does not support sending".
[20:35:23] G3kko: 2.6.38 & lirc 0.9. Any ideas?
[20:40:05] wagnerrp: derek stark?
[20:40:22] Beirdo: hehe
[20:40:43] Beirdo: OK, now to go continue debugging
[20:41:04] wagnerrp: was that about the stig comment?
[20:41:14] Beirdo: yeah, that was pretty good
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[20:42:13] G3kko: yeah, that's me
[20:42:15] G3kko: stark
[20:42:44] wagnerrp: heh, if not... 'theres a strangely familiar thread on the mailing list you might want to follow'... :)
[20:42:49] G3kko: yeah yeah
[20:43:14] wagnerrp: crap... 5pm already, where has the day gone
[20:43:21] G3kko: I realized that there's about a 4 hour lag between the mail client and actually hitting the list.
[20:43:30] Beirdo: pissin the day away...
[20:43:35] wagnerrp: oh?
[20:43:41] wagnerrp: near instantaneous for me
[20:44:00] G3kko: I sent the email this morning around 9am and it didn't hit the list until 1pm or so.
[20:44:09] G3kko: Lucky me, I guess
[20:44:23] Beirdo: G3kko: where is your email? (what provider)?
[20:44:33] wagnerrp: gmail
[20:44:41] Beirdo: odd
[20:44:47] Beirdo: works fine for me
[20:44:56] G3kko: That's all that's left, I guess. So ANYWAY, fast-forward. I've got lirc working with my mceusb just fine.
[20:45:26] G3kko: I've got the init script duplicated, with all of the various variables instantiated twice. lircd starts twice.
[20:45:59] G3kko: I can point irw at the mceusb socket & read stuff all day
[20:46:31] G3kko: When I point irsend at the hd-pvr's socket, it gives me the finger.
[20:46:44] wagnerrp: can you receive from the HDPVR instance?
[20:46:52] G3kko: No, it's a blaster only device
[20:47:16] G3kko: messages: "lirc_zilog: probe of IR Tx on Hauppage HD PVR I2C (i2c-1) done. IR unit ready."
[20:47:26] wagnerrp: have you tried just getting the HDPVR running, without the mce unit connected?
[20:47:42] G3kko: well no, that'd be sensible regression testing
[20:47:49] G3kko: let me give that a shot
[20:48:24] wagnerrp: regression... so this used to work, but has not since updating to 2.6.38 and the in-kernel LIRC?
[20:48:32] ** Beirdo gives his board a dirty look **
[20:49:07] wagnerrp: Beirdo's board stares back blankly, because its an inanimate board
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[20:49:42] G3kko: The box was scrapped and rebuilt fresh, shooting for .24 and the addition of the HD-PVR and digital cable
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[20:50:02] ** G3kko goes off to mess with the lircd init script **
[20:50:12] Beirdo: oh it may not be inanimate much longer... if flying counts
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[20:51:06] ** wagnerrp gets back to the jobqueue **
[20:55:08] Beirdo: grrr
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[20:59:09] G3kko: the plot thickens
[20:59:40] G3kko: messages: "accepted new client on /var/run/lirc/lircd1"
[21:00:36] G3kko: messages: "could not open /dev/lirc1 \n default_init(): No such device \n Failed to initialize hardware"
[21:01:14] G3kko: It's a big fat liar, though. /dev/lirc1 is right there in plain sight
[21:04:41] G3kko: I notice the major & minor on lirc1 are different from lirc0
[21:05:52] G3kko: But that seems sensible as one receives and the other sends. Or is supposed to, anyway.
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[21:11:12] Beirdo: it's like the processor's not coming out of reset
[21:13:56] G3kko: @Beirdo Got a spare power supply you can try it with?
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[21:14:56] Beirdo: it's an embedded processor, not a PC ;)
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[21:17:27] G3kko: Ugh. All this makes me want to take the easy way out and load Fedora
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[21:31:20] G3kko: Anyone know if Fedora 14 supports root raid and xfs? This lirc blasting stuff is a real headache.
[21:32:00] wagnerrp: well fedora does have the slight advantage of having the lirc dev on salary
[21:32:12] G3kko: I've noticed that small fact.
[21:32:43] G3kko: I hate to throw the baby out with the bathwater, but people in the house are getting restless.
[21:33:42] G3kko: Right now I'm researching the status of the firewire port on my cable box
[21:36:41] G3kko: The law says IEE1394 has to work, but I think that rarely stops Time Warner
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[21:37:48] wagnerrp: didnt that law change?
[21:38:05] G3kko: it's not even required anymore? epic.
[21:38:08] Wicked: G3kko, i recently switched ffrom using the blaster for my pvr-150...by hauppauge to using firewire...and firewire is so much better.
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[21:38:24] Wicked: try to pick up a cheapo firewire card and see if you can change channels.
[21:39:28] Wicked: right now there is alot of changes going on in regards to lirc and the kernel....and for my card its a absolute nightmare...and iirc...the hdpvr's blaster is not to different.
[21:39:50] G3kko: I've noticed that, Wicked. I've noticed that.
[21:40:16] Wicked: i spent days messign around and got the point that if any lirc/kernel updates happened...it broke lirc for my card
[21:40:38] G3kko: Well, I have no problems getting a working configuration and then never touching it again.
[21:40:51] Wicked: i then got a firewire card and it was almost plug and play...i plugged it in...got the firewire channel changing script...and boom. No more mucking around.
[21:41:07] G3kko: does the script assume a certain cable box?
[21:41:09] Wicked: also...the firewire changes channels alot faster.
[21:41:25] Wicked: iirc there are ones out there for the major boxes
[21:41:35] Wicked: ive used both scientific atlata and motorla
[21:41:45] G3kko: yeah, and I've got a Cisco
[21:41:46] G3kko: stupid TW
[21:42:02] G3kko: I would have been pleased as punch to get an SA
[21:42:38] Wicked: i see.
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[21:43:11] G3kko: Oh, it's a sexy piece of hardware. IEEE1394, USB, ethernet
[21:44:04] Wicked: id do a bit of research
[21:44:14] Wicked: maybe the firewire works for changing.
[21:44:31] Wicked: [mythtv-users] Firewire channel changing for Cisco RNG150?
[21:44:35] Wicked: i see that via google
[21:44:50] Wicked: http://www.mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/ . . . /292556.html
[21:45:12] G3kko: No, it's a 4642HDC
[21:45:32] Wicked: it seems cisco and sa are almost the same?...
[21:45:36] Wicked: or related.
[21:45:55] G3kko: Probably the same Chinese vendor
[21:46:35] Wicked: could be
[21:47:11] Wicked: in my personal opinion...spending 5–10$ on a firewire card to test would be worth it hehe.
[21:47:50] G3kko: I'm waiting for a buddy to get home. He's got a 6 to 4 pin cable I'm going to borrow.
[21:50:20] Wicked: nice. if it does indeed work...i guarantee you will be very happy with it. I was worried about it being unreliable or not working...but i lucked out..and not only is channel changing rock solid....im able to capture alot of channels in HD over firewire
[21:50:45] Wicked: but that wont matter soon as ive ordered a hdpvr and am waiting on it to arrive
[21:52:08] G3kko: I've got the HD-PVR sitting all ready to go. Getting that capturing was pretty easy.
[21:52:25] Wicked: yea. im hoping i can drop it in place in a hour or so.
[21:52:47] G3kko: As of 2.6.36 the kernel drivers work evidently
[21:53:07] G3kko: They're not even listed as staging drivers. Mainline.
[21:53:12] Wicked: hmm
[21:53:26] Wicked: damn. my mythbox runs ubuntu 10.04
[21:53:36] Wicked: and is only @ 2.6.32
[21:54:10] G3kko: Well that makes life a wee bit more interesting. Is there an unofficial / unstable apt repository you could add?
[21:54:24] Wicked: prob.
[21:54:49] ** G3kko recompiles his kernel for the 4th time today. Now, with Firewire! **
[21:55:13] Wicked: hehe
[21:55:39] Wicked: well this seems to have the "hdpvr" driver installed
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[21:55:59] Wicked: filename: /lib/modules/2.6.32-30-generic/kernel/drivers/media/video/hdpvr/hdpvr.ko
[21:56:04] Wicked: under modinfo
[21:56:38] G3kko: Neat. Check the myth wiki, though. There are references to 2.6.32. I don't know if they were good ones or not.
[21:57:11] Wicked: Note: As of Linux Kernel 2.6.30 the driver for the HD-PVR is now included by default. No compiling of the driver will be necessary assuming you have compiled the driver into the kernel.
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[21:57:47] G3kko: I don't think you even need a custom firmware driver (unless you're blasting).
[21:58:01] Wicked: yea
[21:58:19] Wicked: im hoping when i plug it in...it just works lol
[21:59:08] G3kko: do you recall where your channel changing script came from?
[21:59:15] G3kko: is there a central collection?
[21:59:54] Wicked: yea
[21:59:55] Wicked: sec
[22:00:09] Wicked: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/FireWire
[22:00:15] Wicked: more important: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/FireWire#Changing_ . . . via_Firewire
[22:00:27] G3kko: oh. I'm reading that right now. I just haven't scrolled far enough :-D
[22:00:28] Wicked: i am using the "6200ch.c"
[22:00:41] Wicked: verizon gave me a motorola stb
[22:00:56] G3kko: I would kick a puppy to have Verizon as an option.
[22:01:24] Wicked: heh i lucked out and they laid fiber in my are
[22:01:26] Wicked: *area
[22:01:34] Wicked: i waited for years for it
[22:01:54] G3kko: My choices are AT&T and TW. I refuse to go to AT&T, so here I am...
[22:02:09] Wicked: indeed. i would have done the same.
[22:02:30] Wicked: maybe they have older stbs?
[22:02:50] G3kko: It may come to that.
[22:03:20] Wicked: im not sure but maybe you could call them and ask hehe? like do you have any old motorola boxes? claim something about your stereo equipment "works best" with motorola
[22:03:24] Wicked: or something hehe
[22:04:20] G3kko: I'll stop by their site tomorrow if I can't get this working yet tonight.
[22:07:33] G3kko: w00t. sa3250.ch has a DEVICE_ID for my box.
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[22:11:20] ** G3kko-AFK is off to mooch a FW cable. **
[22:19:56] Wicked: hehe googd luck!
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[23:21:01] mycosys: if some1 wants an easy remote http://cgi.ebay.com.au/USB-Remote-Control-Wir . . . 280489517992
[23:21:24] mycosys: i have two of these – they are a HID mouse and keyboard
[23:21:44] mycosys: Just set up the keybindings
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[23:38:36] mycosys: netsplts yay
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[23:41:22] wagnerrp: less a netsplit as the whole server just going offline
[23:41:56] mycosys: is there an easy way to force mythconverg to be writethru cached in memory?
[23:42:52] kormoc: yes. Switch to the innodb engine on mysql 5.5 and configure a large enough buffer pool
[23:43:10] kormoc: granted, neather using innodb or mysql 5.5 is a supported configuration
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[23:43:21] kormoc: and I doubt you're actually being slowed down by your write rates
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[23:44:02] wagnerrp: or, stuff your database into a memory disk
[23:44:09] wagnerrp: some guy on the wiki seems to think thats a good idea
[23:44:12] wagnerrp: :)
[23:45:01] kormoc: or setup two mysql servers, one slaved off the other. Set the primary one to use heap tables and the secondary one to use myisam/innodb and on startup of the master, sync it from the slave
[23:45:05] mycosys: that would be about the worst idea i have ever heard of
[23:45:16] wagnerrp: yeah, thats what we said
[23:45:24] wagnerrp: but he keeps putting it back up there
[23:46:07] mycosys: meh – will forget it til it becomes supported
[23:46:21] wagnerrp: i had to run ganglia on a memory disk once, although thats hardly a real database
[23:46:25] mycosys: have 4G RAM, most of it sitting round doin jack all
[23:46:55] wagnerrp: several hundred machines each updating some 40 files every 20 seconds
[23:47:00] kormoc: run mysqltuner.pl and increase your caches as recommended
[23:47:11] wagnerrp: on a lowly 120GB 7200rpm disk
[23:47:31] mycosys: youch
[23:47:59] mycosys: where do i find mysqltuner.pl?
[23:48:08] kormoc: mycosys, wget mysqltuner.pl
[23:48:16] wagnerrp: hehehe, i love that
[23:48:25] wagnerrp: its like its already on your system
[23:48:32] kormoc: yeah, it's pretty awesome
[23:49:00] mycosys: tried running it from the command line
[23:49:09] mycosys: /usr/share/mythtv/scripts?
[23:49:23] wagnerrp: you have to download it first
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